What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to
love you. Happy Cinco de Mayo for anyone
who celebrates and anyone who's listening on a release date.
May 5th Gay. If you're not working and you're
not driving, have a Margarita, take a shot, eat a Taco, do
whatever you do on May 5th. Enjoy some mezcal.
For me, it's just about the drinking.
So I'm, you know, traditionalist like that.
Agreed. Season 5 Episode 3 More Sister
Wives. Oh, we're going to be meeting
more Sister wives. Very inventive title.
I would say in this episode we start with a reminder of the
family's pre approvals because we haven't talked about that
enough. So in case you don't remember
from the episode before this or the one before that or the one
before that, they've been working towards being pre
approved for their homes at the cul-de-sac and they have been
pre approved. We did get a moment of Robyn
being told she was approved and it was like, oh.
I didn't want my my previous marriage to affect this family.
And one of the clips had her big old cold sore and I was like,
ah yes, don't ever let us forget about Robyn's cold sore.
They like to remind us. Before we get introduced to
these other sister wives, the more sister Wives, America's
second favorite polygamist family, we're going to go with
Kody as he visits each of his wives homes to discuss briefly
their home plan decisions. You started Christine's house.
Everyone's favorite brown wife.
There's a lot of favorites happening here, and I think I'm
lying about all of them. Oh, it changes.
It changes each time, doesn't it?
That's why we have the shit stain in the mustard seed.
It truly does change. This time we're starting out
with Christine being the favorite.
We'll see if she is at the end. Oh, yeah, they're reviewing the
house plans and Christine says she would like the five bedroom
slash 6 bedroom option. My assumption is, and I, you
know, we definitely are not done with this topic.
Oh my God, we are not done with this topic.
But I think that means that Christine is going for the five
bedroom option and is hoping for this dining room slash
office slash study that's off the foyer to be a sixth bedroom
because, you know, she has all these kids and they need all
these rooms. We have Robyn and Meri
affectionately calling it a hobby room and we've got
Christine saying that she wants 6 bedrooms and Kody is like,
oh, so you want the five bedroom option with the office?
Yeah, and they're all talking about the budget here and they
all have the same budget. So they have to talk about their
budget and what they want and to fit in that budget.
They only have finite resources.
Yes, the second wife's home that we visit is Janelle and of
course she doesn't think that she needs 5 bedrooms.
She just doesn't see it. And she's got one kid that can
be alone, one kid that can be alone.
These two could be together. She wants the kids to share
rooms. She doesn't think that each kid
needs their own room. And Kody is pushing her to have
the extra bedroom. And he brings up Logan and he's
like, what? You don't think that Logan's
going to be here to visit all the time in the summer?
You don't think that one of the kids will potentially stay here,
you know, randomly. And he is kind of trying to be
the voice of reason for her. And she keeps talking about
penny pinching bullshit. And I do understand kids sharing
bedrooms is a thing. I shared a bedroom with my
sister for a while. It was under obscure, weird
circumstances that we had to share a bedroom under duress,
that we had to share a bedroom. And I think it builds character,
you know? I shared bedroom as a young
child and I personally don't think I was scarred for life
from it. I think that that makes sense.
But there is something about becoming like a teenager where
it's like, I don't know, just get your kid their own room.
And you know, I hate when I have to say this makes sense.
When Kody saying something it's terrible but I agree with Kody
in this situation. It's like, let your kids have a
fucking bedroom. All I can think of is 14 year
old me with my tiny little box white television that I
purchased with my own money that I saved up standing right up
next to the speaker on top. It was on top of my dresser
watching talk sex with Sue at midnight on the quietest volume
and listening with my ear up to the speaker.
I couldn't have done that if I was sharing A room.
I couldn't have watched dark Sexist soup and Oxygen after
dark with a sister sleeping in my room.
It's part of growing up. Weird shit like that, come on.
Yeah. And if you do share that with
your siblings, that does change a person, I think.
I mean, we're going to find out later on that maybe a couple of
these other polyglas, I, I don't.
Know yeah maybe they were watching so they.
Were watching together the equivalent, she was around a
long time before I ever started watching it and it would even
say on the bottom this is a rerun, do not call in when it
would put her number up. Maybe they did, who knows?
Robyn would like the hobby room and a fifth bedroom because
maybe she'll have more kids. Ellipsis dot dot dot.
She is the only one that brings up that she wants the extra
bedroom for a potential child. She is the only one that's going
to have a potential child other than Meri, but right.
I mean like. Christine like we're being
honest with ourselves. Like Christine and Janelle, like
it has not been brought up. Like I think maybe at the
beginning of the show, like the first season, they both said,
like maybe after Christine had little truly scrumptious, she
might have said something like, I think I'm done.
Actually, I think that after Saul was born, she did have.
I think she's brought it up that she knows she's done.
After that. I do remember her saying that
she is done, that she doesn't want anymore, which is why it
was even more of a slap in the face the way that Kody treated
her during the end of her pregnancy and delivery.
But you know. Well, and when Robyn says this
about maybe having more kids, of course the producers give us
this wonderful two shot of her and Meri in the same frame and
there's like, you know, leave. It in.
Leave it in, motherfucker. And there was like this long,
drawn out like moment where it's like, OK, yes, we get it.
We're still talking about Meri's fertility.
Oh my God. But luckily we don't get into
that. Thank God.
They just move on. And Meri is the 4th and final
wife, even though she's the first wife for Kody's house
tour. House tour?
I know there's a song about that these days, but I'm too old to
know the words. And what is the first thing that
she says? Wet bar I want.
My wet bar. I want my wet bar.
She wants that wet bar. That's her dream.
If it's under 8K because that's what's left in her budget.
And then she asked a joke about wanting to add a tennis court
for Leon. Right.
While they're discussing this, he says there's something about
like, well, if as long as it's under 8K, then it should be OK.
And then she's like, well, a
tennis court for Leon. And he think I think he cracked
a joke about it being like 45,000 or one of them did.
And it's just like, Oh my God, like if only Meri was a little
bit funnier because like if. She I didn't know she was joking
right away and I literally looked at Chris and I said if
this bitch thinks she's getting a tennis court for like
whatever 8K she might have leftover, which it doesn't
sound like she is if she gets the wet bar right.
Get out of town with this shit.
That's where I'm like, if she was funnier it could have
worked, but she's not funny enough.
So it just seemed like she was legitimately suggesting it.
And then there was like, obviously I'm kidding.
And it's like, Meri, nobody knows you're kidding because
you're fucking weird. Yeah, get all the other kids out
there to pack down some clay and dirt with some wood boards.
Just pack it down, get your kids
to work, and then you can have your fucking tennis court for
Leon. And like, that's even a real
thing. It's so ridiculous.
It's almost as ridiculous as her face in these episodes.
Distracting, so distracting. Every time they do a close up
I'm like oh God Meri. The bad spray tan is still in
full swing. Oh yeah, full swing.
She must have gotten it for this trip because they're going to
their. For their for their upcoming
trip. And then we get this
introduction to America's second favorite polygamist family.
It was kind of odd because I don't like sometimes how they
edit it where they give us some things but not enough things.
So then you're like, OK, like what's happening?
And then I think they think it's clever storytelling when
really I'm like, oh God, what is happening?
They start talking about there's how there's 23 people in the
Brown family and that there's 27 for this other family that
we're going on a plague vacation with a polygamist vacation. 50
total. 50 people that are going to be on this plague vacation,
which means a vacation of polygamists.
God, Meri thinks she's so funny. And it only gets worse.
Like these days. It's terrible.
I want to know if when Meri got into the spray tan booth if it
said like medium to light, medium to dark cultural
appropriation and she just turned it all the way fucking up
because pretty sure, pretty sure.
Well maybe she knew that we would be re watching and
recording this episode and releasing it on May 5th.
And so she went. I'm going South of the border
for this episode. She knew that we'd be reviewing
this on Cinco de Mayo. You're right.
Yeah, she knew. Because as as I have told you
before, I have astral projected into their past.
Oh yes, that's right. Into their past I.
Think you're going to say into Meri Cenote but no into their
past? And I have said while I did
check that out too and let me tell you issues.
Cavernous. Cavernous, not an egg.
Insight all. Right.
No eggs. Kody hasn't been here in years.
Hello, hello, hello.
I got to say I have gone back and I did let her know.
We're going to be talking about you on Cinco de Mayo, Girl.
Yeah, and it was. Get festive.
It was a time where, you know, people didn't think, people
didn't think like they do now, right?
Unfortunately for her, I didn't warn her about cancel culture,
Right? So sorry about that, Meri.
I'm so sorry. Sorry, Meri.
So sorry, I did you wrong. I did you dirty, girl.
I'm wondering if this is the most inappropriate thing she
could be cancelled for in the show.
I think mostly people just want to cancel her for other reasons
that aren't appropriation. So there's, there's a lot of
Cancel Meri out there. I'm the president of the Cancel
Meri fan club. Oh.
Boy. So these 27 other people going
on this polygamous family trip, this plague vacation, they're
called the Dargers, DAR Gers. Not the Duggars, the Dargers.
So throughout the episode, I want to make that very clear
because the pronunciation of these people with that last name
was questionable. And I had to wait for it to come
across the screen to spell it out to be like, OK, they are not
related whatsoever to the daggers.
Well, we don't know that. We don't know that, yeah, but it
is the Dargers. And yeah, unfortunately it took
a minute to know what their last name was, even though they
said it many times because of that Utah accent.
We learn about their family. They kind of go straight over to
the family on the couch. The adults after this we're
going on a plague vacation announcement is like weirdly
made just by talking about the amount of people going on the
vacation. We're going on a plague
vacation. So we learn about this other
family and they're 23 kids. First we've got Alina, wife
number one wife #2 is Vicki. And then ten years later, we get
Val, and the kick in the shins here is that Val is Vicki's twin
sister. Well, they're all married to
Joe. Joe.
Patriarch of the family. And so he's our.
The shock of the twin sisters. I totally forgot to introduce
Joe, My bad. Joe is like our counter to Kody.
He's the the man of the house, the the father of the family.
And yeah, Alina and Vicki, they do introduce Alina as wife
number one and Vicki as wife number two.
However, we learned that they got married at the same time.
Yeah. So I don't know how one's one
and one's two. Maybe whoever's cavern is the
smallest? I don't really know.
I think it's how the dads approved the marriage because
they go into the approval of the courtship for each of the
women and I think it's the order that their fathers handed
their daughters over consensually.
Consensually handed their daughters.
I don't know, Joe. Yeah.
So Alina and Vicki get married first to Joe at the same time,
and then ten years later Valerie who is Alina's sister or Vicki's
sister. See this.
Vicki's sister. Vicki's sister, OK.
So Alina and Vicki were raised in plural lifestyles.
So we go into this story of these two women first and how
they met Joe, Alina, and Vicki. They talk about being raised in
the plural life and how this was not odd for them and that
Joe's mom knew that they both liked him and went and spoke to
them each and said that they should pursue him together.
Right. So Joe's mom went and spoke with
these two women that were both pursuing her son and was like,
well, we could kill two birds with one stone here with my son
and I'm going to encourage these two women to go and marry
him. Two clams on a surfboard?
Yes, surf and turf. Surf and Turf Joe talks a lot
about how courtship is for the intention of getting married and
it's very serious. And that this proposition of
these two ladies kind of took him by surprise, even though his
mom was pulling the strings of the puppets.
I think he's being very genuine in the fact that he wasn't just
jumping on this idea right away.
He really wanted to think it through and it seemed like a lot
to him. Yeah, that's true.
I mean, he didn't. It didn't sound like BS when he
was talking. I didn't think so.
I think this entire episode he is very forthcoming and like
Blunt. So Vicki's dad said that he was
completely OK with her getting married at the same time as
Alina to Joe. But Alina's dad was pissed.
And it took a little while for Alina's dad to approve this.
And he said to Alina, I'm giving my permission, not my blessing.
So that's why I think it's odd
that it's like the wife #1 Alina, then Vicki, because
Alina's dad was the second. So I guess it doesn't make
sense. It was the dad's approval.
That was the order of the wives.
I have a confession honey. I don't know who these women
are. I was confused for most of the
episode about who was who and who was a twin and who sucked
his Dick 1st and who sucked his Dick second.
It was a lot for me. I mean honeymoon I, I there's so
many things about this story that's insane.
And it also doesn't help that all these women look similar
from a distance Slash like for me, if you just kind of moved
them around in order on the couch, I would have been like, I
didn't know that you changed them.
I I thought that the twins were not the twins because I thought
they looked more alike. And then you were like, no, the
noses. There's two that have some
beaks. Yep.
And one who has a a. Ski Jump.
Nose Ski. Jump nosy.
And so when I could catch that, I could go, oh, sure, yeah.
And when they were standing, there was some height
differences, but when they were on the couch, there were several
times where I was like, I don't know who is who.
I could tell the noses and then there were times where both
twins would turn a certain way and you'd clock it.
But I just find the whole situation very interesting
because you got another type of group.
So they're not part of the same religious sect, which they did
make pretty clear. And I I don't know what the
distinction is. A lot of listeners that are deep
divers, maybe, you know, comment, let us know what you
know. But yeah, it was, it was crazy
because you've got Elena's dad being super upset and saying,
well, I guess you have my permission, but not my blessing.
And Elena calling up, you know,
Joe right away afterwards, like, I can do it, we're going to do
it. And I just, part of me thinks,
and I do not want to like, assume anything about anyone's
sexuality, but I think that there was like this friendship
that formed between these two women.
And part of me wonders if it was more about that than about Joe
Interesting. I don't know.
I'm not sure that I was picking up that vibe, but I also wasn't
looking for it. I was trying to remember who was
who. Yeah, Joe talks a lot about how
they became best friends after his mom kind of was like, oh,
maybe you should go pursue them together.
And I really don't want to, like, push any sort of agenda or
idea on these people. But, you know, there's a part of
me that thinks of, like, lavender marriages.
And maybe they were hanging out a lot.
And Joe's mom saw it, and in her.
Idiotic mind that's blinded by religion.
She thought that they both were interested in her son and they
weren't. I don't know.
But anyway, I think that these two women got along really good
to even have gone along with this from the start, so.
Sure, I mean, Joe does reference how in their culture of
reminder of that they court to marry not to date.
So that's definitely a big thing when discussing their
background. Like he's all about kind of the
oh God, whatever the steps are, the protocols of like their
courting rituals and blah, blah, blah.
And he did at one point say something like, Oh, and I would
drive up to where to the house and they're both their cars
would be there and I would be all giddy or excited.
And it's like. OK.
He was like, I'd be intimidated, though, OK, Like, because it
was a lot and, like, overwhelming two women at once
instead of just one. I think that it was like, oh.
Yeah, it's hard for me to get inside Joe's brain.
Yeah, yeah, he's very a stoic person.
That seems like. He has a skull, he's got a bald
head, A. Skull it's.
Shiny and he definitely is a rule follower.
He's a rule giver. And they give us an example
right off the bat because Joe is providing seating assignments
for the children for getting in the vans to drive to Vegas.
Yeah, he has a straight up seating chart and he says once
they're assigned to a seat, they don't argue with me that's
where they're sitting. Yes, it's so great.
So this is something, you know, a little foreshadowing as well
into the parallels and the differences between he and Kody
is like a theme of this episode.
Before we get into the seating assignment bit, there was a
moment where one of the Dargers provided an update saying that
they are going to drive to Vegas and stay with the Browns
overnight or stay in Vegas overnight.
And then they're going to be heading to Southern California,
to Oceanside as this, this polygamous vacation, this plague
trip. Plague trip they keep calling
it. My God, plague vacation.
So that when they give us this example of the seating chart,
it's a little like, OK, because then all of a sudden we're back
to talking about how they got married two weeks after he
proposed. At least the first two lesbian
sisters. I mean, they're not sisters and
they're. Not lesbians.
The two sisters. Sisters.
No, no, these two aren't sisters.
The Scissor Sisters. We got the Scissor Sisters and
we got the twin sisters, OK, They're separate.
They're two different sisters, but they're all sister wives.
Holy shit. We are meeting a lot of sister
wives and a lot of sisters and a lot of things.
Oh, God, a lot of spit being exchanged around here.
Valerie volunteers that she was married previously in a plural
marriage, but it didn't work out.
I always, I don't know, get to do a little skins chin scratch
when it comes to. Scratch little.
Skin scratch when it comes to being previously married in a
plural marriage with no details given, right?
Was there many wives? Was there just one other wife?
Was it like an abusive relationship?
Was it Scissor Sisters where the blades got very dull?
You know what was happening. Yeah, she doesn't obviously give
us any juicy details there. Unlike Robyn, who's like, he was
terrible and it was horrible and I had to leave him.
Like she's just like I was in a previous plural marriage.
For 11 1/2 years though. Yeah, for a hollow.
It wasn't just like she tried. It didn't work.
No, she had kids with this other person and it was 11 1/2 years,
and she was only divorced for one year.
Yeah, before coming to visit her sister Vicki.
Yeah, for less than a year and she comes to visit.
Yeah. And when Joe is talking about
this visit, I was like, what in the world at first?
Because he's like, it's like, I had never seen her.
And I was like, it's her fucking twin.
Like obviously you have seen her before.
I think he just means, like, in a sexual way.
Like, I'd never looked at her in a sexual way.
I'd never thought of her or seen her as anything other than my
wife's sister. And then on this trip, that
lightning struck, struck him straight in the chest.
Lightning strikes so many of these fucking polygamists.
It was like his half beating heart was finally fully a thump
thump thump in a way. Which means his first two wives
were only 1/4 of his heart. Like it's just sad.
This math is sad. It was lost on me at first.
So I was like, he had never seen her before.
And then it's like, Oh no, he had never seen her before.
He realized that maybe she could be the one that sharpens those
wives. Sister scissors.
Vicki said that she saw her sister and Joe look at each
other and like the look was just different and she knew right
away that they would eventually be married.
She could smell where that lightning struck.
It was like sulfur. She could smell what they were
all about to be stepping in. Valerie talked and all.
She could smell the sulfur. She was.
Like it's not Valerie's halitosis, it's the lightning.
Oh my God, God. Excuse.
Me and Joe says, you know, we prayed about it.
We prayed about it, and then we determined that Valerie should
marry her sister. I mean me, it's just so weird
and. Incestuous feeling.
It is incestuous. It's literally the definition of
incestuous, I think. Well, OK, not really.
It's not a brother and a. Sister but sex with each other,
but are they not having sex with each other?
They're bunker, bunker buddies, or what do you call it, A tunnel
buddies? I don't know if they talked
about if they share bedrooms in this episode.
They did not. They share a kitchen.
We find out for sure, but. Definitely share a kitchen, but
do they share a bedroom? They skipped over that detail.
Oh my God, what do they call that when you are like, oh,
we've been with the same guy? They have like a term for it.
Women do. US women, US ladies.
I can't even think of it right now.
I know because I'm going. If it's the other way, it's
usually sloppy seconds, but that could that's kind of gender
neutral. Why?
I want to say bunker buddies but that's 1000% not it.
OK. It's.
Not it. Yeah, I don't know what it means
when you both are slobbing on the same knob.
Tunnel Buddies. Tunnel Buddies.
No, that's what you think 2 guys call if they've been with the
same girl. I feel like I don't know any of
these things. Oh my gosh, maybe it's.
Because I'm a pure gay man. Well, you would.
Yeah, very pure, touched by an. Angel I'm just going to shout it
out later in the episode if I remember if all of a.
Sudden you're like, you know what it's about.
One eyed snake whisperers. Charmers.
No. Snake Whisperers.
Oh God. Then the brown adults are
talking about being sisters and sister wives and the
complications involved in that. Like they're having this couch
moment of like I remember there was 1 moment where Christine
said something like if my sister married Kody and was my sister
wife, that would open up a whole nother box of complications.
And I'm like bitch, duh. But I'm glad they gave us the
obvious because, you know, this is Sister Wives, so they have to
tell us things like that. Yeah, but part of me thinks that
she's not too far removed from family members, being with other
family members. So this isn't all that new to
her and that's why she says this.
She's like, this is normal conference.
She's like, well we've gotten a little bit away from this by now
so I just can't even imagine. 2 generations ago, sure, but not
this generation. We're a modern polygamous family
living in Vegas. Like, OK, all right.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, Meri says something about
Hopefully by the end of the weekend we'll be able to tell
Alina and Valerie apart, which I love because I'm like, girl, I
couldn't. I was just.
Valerie and Vicky. Valerie.
See, I didn't even say the names right.
I don't think they even ever call her Valerie.
It's Val and Vicky. Val Well, I know it's Valerie.
I know Valerie because that was how she was introduced.
But they call her Val. That's fine.
Val Well, Val and Vick or Val and Al?
We're probably both completely wrong and actually Joel was a
twin. Sister Valerie, Vic, Vicki,
There's a lot of names and a lot of faces and I don't know any of
them. Well, one of us is going to be
wrong and we're going to get called out for it.
Yes, please. Shame me, shame me in the
synagogue for being so wrong about this.
But I'm actually not ashamed because Oh my God, these women.
It was confusing and they didn't
show their names every time that they spoke.
They need they. Showed it like one time.
If anything, this is when they needed that bottom third like
the entire episode because it's like there's 27 members of
their family and then they're like randomly would show a
name but it was like oh we needed this like 5 times more
regularly. Yeah, so we get to Meri's house
and the Dargers have shown up and the two families are getting
together at Meri's to have dinner and they're joking about
how they're not going to remember each other's kids names
because there's just too many of them to remember.
And it's funny because both, you know, couples are joking with
each other about it. They're debating on when to
leave and like, Kody and the Brown wives are just going back
and forth on what time they should leave.
And it's obvious of the Dargers are way more organized.
And this is when it comes up where Joe is like, please just
do not tell me to be here at 9 and have us leave at 10 because
I'll be annoyed, right? And I don't blame him.
It's funny because it's not something that maybe you would
normally qualify out of nowhere. They have been family friends
for four years. They referenced earlier in the
episode, so they are aware of each other.
I don't know that they spent, you know, every holiday
together, but he probably knows their skis like he knows their,
and not like downhill skis like their skis like he knows their
doesn't. Know Meri, skis, because she
doesn't Meri. Doesn't know her own skis.
Oh my God. Bye pizza.
Oh God, Meri, Meri was like, oh, I've got that knee brace.
Got to put that back on. But I love this whole, I mean,
it is true for me. It would be frustrating if
someone was like, hey, show up at 9:00 and we'll hit the road.
And if they were still getting
their shit together at 10, I would be tapping my foot looking
annoyed and I would be staring at them being like, are you
done? You have. 23 fucking kids with
you and you're waiting for an hour and you've organized your
caravan and you're like, we're ready to convoy and you show up
with your caravan in tow and all in check.
Like this guy who was like acting like he's in the military
and the Browns are a shit show and he knows it.
Yes. And I was like, the Browns can
never be ready and they're never out the door on time.
They are tragic. Definitely.
There's a couch moment before we come back to them all getting
together where they're talking about this kind of comment from
Joe. And Meri says, well, I could
marry a man like that. And Kody gets up and walks out
of the confessional as like a humorous moment because he's
like, you know, they're all kind of joking about how, oh, it'd
be, you know, with a man that's like that or whatever.
And Meri, oh, I can marry a man like that.
And he just gets up and walks out.
And it's pretty funny. They all laugh.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious that Meri would probably
do better in an organized situation like this.
We get to the next morning and they are all packing up their
vans and getting ready to go. Janelle is hoping that Joe is
not going to be mad because she's worried that they're
running behind. And she makes that comment about
making fun of him. Yeah, where she's.
I don't remember exactly what she said.
Well, Janelle and Meri kind of joke and repeat what he says,
and Janelle rolls her eyes and she goes and kind of says it in
like a mocking voice like better not be running late blah blah
blah. I couldn't be with someone like
that. And she rolls her eyes, but
they're all packing up and just kind of crossing their fingers
that it works out. Because that's what they do.
They don't come up with seating charts.
They just cross their fingers and help.
Let's get our family of over 20 in these vehicles and hit the
road without a plan. That's so the Browns.
Well, then these amazing producers don't give us much
else here except we Joe saying that I didn't expect us to be
leaving on time. And so I guess that's hinting
that they left on time, which would be around 10 AM and that's
it. At least Joe didn't have to
throw a fit or, you know, beat anyone in front of the cameras.
That would have been, you know, that would have been something.
He is pretty muscular. Listen, I, I was going to say
there's some circumstances where I would take the beating and
I'd be happy about the beating.
And then there'd be other times where I'd be like, this is not
right. This ain't right.
Ready on time, honey? Stop beating me.
Get your hands off. But then other times it might be
late on purpose to be like, I don't know, I guess I might
deserve a beating. Drag me to the car by my heels.
Oh God, we're terrible.
I don't know who is driving the white car, but as they're
pulling up to the rental homes, Kody's like yelling at one of
the people driving one of the cars, like learn how to drive.
And I think it's like his own kid.
It is funny because all of a sudden we just arrive at
Oceanside, CA like we're from Vegas to Oceanside now.
The quickest you're going to drive from LA area to Vegas is
probably like 5:00-ish hours. So they probably had like a full
day because the Browns also can't get anywhere quickly.
So they probably it was probably like a 7-8 hour drive.
I. Mean think of all the potty
breaks with the little kids. They did.
And like Kody, they don't plan anything, right?
So I'm sure by the time they got there, Joe was like, we should
have only stopped twice or something, you know?
We had to stop this many times.
You guys didn't have a toilet in your car like we did with the
flip out toilet? He's like a pain in the van.
So they arrive at these oceanfront homes at Oceanside
and it is funny because the others like parking the blah
blah blah, some reference to who's saying and what house,
blah blah blah. I didn't care about any of that,
but it was fun to watch Kody try to help Meri Park in the
garage. Because.
She's like backing up and he's like, you got 3 feet and he's
like stop. And it's like, Oh my God.
He like yells so loud and it's just such an attention seeking
thing that he didn't need to do.
And I, I literally was like, yeah, that was an unnecessary
one of his attention seeking yells.
Yeah, Very strange. Just very Kody.
Very Kody. Yeah.
And I think next we're just in the houses talking about where
people are going to go, blah, blah, blah.
And they let us know that Joe had floor plans printed out with
assigned rooms. And I was like, God, I love this
man. See, maybe I wonder if Joe wants
to have another wife. But I love a good floor plan.
I love a good planner. I love a person who would print
a floor plan and assign rooms to that many people.
I'm not mad about it. I think in a situation like
this, you have to treat it like you're running a summer camp.
And I don't know why the Browns don't do this.
I don't know why Janelle doesn't do this.
I think because there's this facade that she's organized, but
it's not true. And then I think Meri's a little
too scared to pull the trigger on things like that because
she's been yelled at before for doing it.
So I think everyone's a little like, we don't want to make the
decision, but we want someone do, and then no one does.
So they go back and forth and back and forth until they're all
blue in the face and they pass out.
And then that's just where they're sleeping for the night.
Whereas Joe had the entire home
layout up and was assigning spots for everyone pass out.
Smart man. Here's your designated pass out
spot. Yes.
We don't drink, but you can hold your breath, make yourself
dizzy until you feel like you're drunk and then pass out.
That sounds nice. All the wives are talking about
the efficiency. There's several references to
how it must be nice. And how old is Matt?
It's like, right. Yeah.
Like, once again, just make a plan.
I mean, there is something about their dynamic with power
struggles, different things that have happened throughout the
years, where it does seem like Kody wants to be the one making
decisions, but it's terrible at it.
And none of the wives want to step up because they're being
sensitive to each other. They they've been beat.
I got to say, stop saying in this episode they have been put
in their place too many times. So they are not going to do that
probably amongst each other. And so, yeah, I don't know.
It's just weird that they have this kind of like affinity for
the way that Joe does things, but then none of them do it.
And Kody does even make a joke about how, like, Joe is the one
that makes the decisions in his family.
And I, I'm not the one that makes the decisions in this
family. My wives do.
And it's like nobody's making decisions.
Yeah, Joe leads and people listen, Kody says.
And then he says that all of his wives lead and have an
opinion, and then it like goes off the rails from there.
I have to say with the way that Joe leads his family, I would
liken it to like, if let's say you were going whitewater
rafting and you have a guide and the guide is like, OK, this is
what we're going to do to stay safe today.
And I'm going to get you through the Rapids.
And when I say put yours here, we do this.
And you know, and he was like leading, leading the trail.
You felt safe. Whitewater rafting can be
dangerous. Now, if that same guide was like
wavering on every decision and like, well, I don't know.
What do you guys want to do? Do you feel safe doing this?
Because if you do, I guess we'll do it.
And if you don't, then we won't.
You would feel so unsafe and everyone would feel frantic all
the time and the kids would start feeling frantic and it
trickles down throughout the entire family.
And you've got Joe, who is like being a leader and stepping up
and making his family feel secure by just making the
decision. And then you've got this
wavering leader who's like leading the Boy Scouts.
It's like you got an arm like a head of an army and a Boy Scout
leader. And it's just you're comparing.
Apples.
And that's quite a compliment for Kody.
I don't think that he could even lead a Boy Scout.
Probably not. They just keep comparing the the
husbands and the wives like over and over again throughout this
entire episode. And so that was my like visual
as I was like seeing all of this.
I also think that Joe doesn't come across as like a
authoritarian to me or like there was some hinting of like,
you know, he's and there's some references to it later, like,
you know, he's a pile driver, he's a whatever.
But really it's like you just have to be in that kind of
environment. Otherwise you're going to have
fucking brown family chaos. Someone has to be taking the
lead. And of the examples we saw, I
didn't think he seemed out of line or too brash or anything.
He was just literally trying to like, lead the family.
I think it would have been really hard to hide if he had
been like a shitty dad or like an actual like wolf in sheep's
clothing. I think it would have been
harder to hide because I, I honestly think that Kody's
oldest brother was hiding some shit, which is why he was being
so guarded and quiet. And this guy is like, no, I just
know who I am. I know how I lead my family and
this is how we do things and we plan ahead.
Then we don't have the chaos. And I think that all of the
wives and the Brown family were kind of just blown away by that
and just couldn't even fathom it.
And dare I say they were turned on by it?
I don't know, they maybe we're leaving snail trails.
I was going to say, there's so many references to like, oh,
they were near the ocean. It was damp, it was moist.
Someone got spritzed in the face a little and it was like, oh.
Even his kids, like we'll get to later, like the son alludes to
the fact that no, like dad's in charge and like we all know it,
but not in a way where it was like he was scared and felt like
he had to protect his family or like hide something.
And I know you can't tell all of that by an episode of a show,
but that's true. Frankly, I truly think they were
being very upfront and honest about who they were.
So the families go out on their first adventure, which is so
exciting. They're going to go to the
beach. And it was hard for me to know
where they were going because I feel like at one point there
was some Carlsbad Lagoon was said.
And then you said some sort of other title.
All I got was carls like carls rental place they.
Were Carls? So it was Carlsbad, but then his
T-shirt, this guy said California water sports.
So I'm like like a lot of businesses and one little shack.
Or it was a rental place.
Yeah. They were going to get paddle
boards and surfboards, water accoutrement to have some fun on
the coast with the like tide coming in and the sun in the
sky. The owner was a douche bag.
Oh my. God, Carl.
Carl. Was it Carl or when did you just
hear the first part of Carls bad?
I'm just calling him Carl because it's Carls rental place.
Yeah, OK, I did not catch his name and it's let's go Carl.
Carl is a douche bag for sure. That's two big families there.
And then he says some sexist joke about too many chicks.
I got enough chicks in my life, yeah.
He's got a female dog and a daughter.
He's like a chick magnet or something.
It's like, yeah, like as he was talking, my penis literally
fell off my body. It was disturbing.
I mean, that's all I can say about it.
He was like gross, and he thought he was.
I don't know if he thought he was being funny or if he was
high, but it was like, OK dude.
Yeah, if he was high, it was a waste of a high because he was
not funny. It was.
Ridiculous. Some sexist joke shit and then
we moved on. Thank God the parents are on the
couch, the brown parents are on the couch and they discuss
how some of the kids could date each other from each of the
families. And Christine, make sure to
clarify, you know, their family dating our family.
Like, OK, once again we're avoiding the incest.
Say it out loud. Yeah, the darker kids could date
the brown kids. Like thank you for the
clarification. Yeah, Christine says that she
wouldn't mind. And this is where they talk
about how at least some of the brown daughters were eyeing some
of the darker boys, and Robyn has to pipe up and act like she
fucking knows everything. And she claims that she heard
two of the girls. They're girls saying that they
should be sister wives with one of the Darger boys that they
both apparently liked. Did you believe this story?
No. It did not pass my bullshit
meter, no. Which was so weird 'cause I was
like this seems like so strange.
The way she said it was exactly like one of my girlfriends in
high school lying to her fucking parents.
I kid you not. Wow, the inflection in her voice
when she said that. I looked at you 'cause I was
like, she is fucking lying. She's finding that she knows
something here and she does not. It totally felt like she was
just making it up on the spot and then was like, I'm
committing myself to the bit and it's like, well, why did you
even do this well? They tell me everything, Chris.
I'm the cool mom.
I'm the young mom. And these young girls, they come
to me with everything. And you guys didn't hear that?
Oh, well, I did. Shut the fuck up, you liar.
She's such a bitch. She is because do you think
these innocent girlies, they're girls that are too like,
embarrassed to probably talk about a lot of this shit, are
saying that like nonchalantly like gossiping in front of Robyn
about marrying the same boy? Get the fuck out of here.
My gut is telling me that at the most, the adults saw a pattern
of kids checking each other out.
You're giving some eyes looking at each other.
I think that's probably true. Innocently.
Like, yeah. Like, I'm a teenage girl and
there's a teenage boy and I'm going to watch him, you know,
like, take pick that surfboard up and be like, he's got arms,
like, you know, that kind of thing.
Oh, Robyn has to ruin everything.
Well, because another thing that they point out too, and this is
a little later on, is about how the Darger family works out
together every day and the Brown family.
Claims that they do. They're a little soft, yeah.
They're a little like me before the Ozempic.
I mean, before all of my exercise, when I was going to
start the polygamous playground or whatever, their gym was going
to be fundamentalist fitness. They're a little bit like me
before my 50 sessions of sculpture.
Fat freezing. Yeah, cool sculpture.
Cool sculptures. Yes, yes.
I mean, we'd we're all natural working out every day.
And you know, I think I'm a little more like Janelle
genetically than Vicki. Slash Alina slash Val.
Oh my God, For those third names, I hope back at the beach
house or back at the beach homes.
I don't know. We're at somebody's beach house
out in the back, enjoying the lovely view of the beach, the
sunset, the waves crashing against the shore.
Well, we didn't get to enjoy any of that, but the Browns might
have. Instead, we are sitting around a
table on their back deck, patio, whatever you're going to
call it, having a chat. Kody's asked about why they came
out publicly, which I always like the coming out topic
because I have never done so myself.
I'm in the closet and I really like to hear people's stories
about coming out and being who they really are publicly.
Theirs is a touching one. I didn't really care about the
details of Kody's story because we've heard it so many times
before. So I don't really care.
Like he just went through his bullet list of like, oh, we did
it because of this. And, you know, there were so
many people that thought that the bad guys were the good guys
and the good guys were the bad guys.
And I was here to set the record straight.
And it's like, cut to you are a terrible example of what a
polygamist man is. Not that there's good examples,
I don't know. Yada yada yada, wrong
representation, yada yada yada. We didn't want that anymore,
yada yada. Exactly, exactly.
This is where Vicki shares an example of how polygamy and
people's perceptions of polygamy has negatively affected her and
their family when talking about losing a 5 month old baby.
I think it's Val that lost the baby.
See once again. And I am like, I do really truly
want to apologize like out loud if we're wrong about this
because we both thought that it was a different sister.
And so I, I am sorry if we were wrong about this.
We were trying to get it right but they weren't putting the
names up anymore. When I love why?
You're apologizing because I'm like, I'm so not apologetic.
These people like, I don't know who it was.
Let's. Go with one of them, but I'm
going to just say like, it's a, it's a hard story to talk about.
So like, you know, I wish that
we, I hope that we have the person right, because it's a
it's a rough story. And this is.
I can't even imagine going through this.
Yeah, and you're giving whoever shared this story the respect.
I think it was Val. It was the tall skinny one with
the snot, the beak. Beaker.
Meet me. OK honey, now tell us about this
story and why you want to give her so much respect.
Well, Val had a 5 month old baby, I said.
Whoever she was, whichever 1 shared the story, you want to
give her the props and respect she deserves.
Val had a 5 month old baby that died and passed away in their
home. And of course, whenever a baby
passes away in your home especially, they have an
investigation that they open. They just want to get to the
bottom of it, you know, whether it's SIDS, something else, you
know, and since they're a polygamist family, that
investigation got pretty rough.
They were asking invasive questions about the doctor that
she saw and asking if the doctor was a polygamist and if
she knew that, and kind of questions that they wouldn't ask
a family if they didn't know they were polygamists.
And I don't know if those questions really are pertinent
to the investigation at all. You know, about a child passing
away. It doesn't matter if they're a
doctor that delivered the baby was a polygamist.
Like, probably not, unless you're truly living on the
compound, which we all know about.
And their nurses would hide things a lot, particularly
babies that passed away. But these people are not living
on a compound. They actually were seeking
medical attention. So it's a different scenario.
And to lose a baby at five months old as a mother would be
scarring enough and truly fucking awful.
But then to have an investigation into your family
open and be scared of losing the rest of your children?
I can't even imagine what that woman went through, and I'm sure
she needed all the support that she could get.
And yeah. For the investigation to be
heavy on the polygamous parts of their lifestyle adds this other
layer because yes, when a young child dies, there is usually an
investigation and that is traumatic on top of the
experience you've already had. So to add this extra layer,
yeah, it didn't. You know, we also don't get a
lot of details. So, you know, she's does mention
that this baby had a heart defect amongst other health
issues. So, you know, questioning about
the child care being given to a child like that does make sense
on a logical level. But that would really suck to
have your lifestyle questioned along with it.
That would be terrible. And the only reason I can
picture it being a factor is if you didn't believe in giving
medical attention. And is that neglect then?
But these, I don't even want to say, these people, the Dargers
are not of the faith where they don't believe in medical
intervention from what I could tell.
Now, that doesn't mean that they're not.
I don't know. But then we get Vicki, which is
Val's sister, who tells a story about how, you know, they were
scared about the children getting taken away because their
mom's dad was in prison and they would hear stories about
it. And she words it very oddly.
She says, my mom's dad, not like my granddad was in prison.
So this whole story is a little vague and like round Robyn.
We get a lot of round Robyn in this entire fucking series.
But. Not square Robyn, round Robyn.
This one is, it's confusing, and it's a story that justifies
some, you know, like sensitivities.
So yeah, it was intentional. It was very intense.
The way she stated it seemed intentional.
So hard to know why it was stated that way.
Yeah, and we even did go back and watch it like 3 times.
Not kidding because we were confused and I thought I heard
one thing. Chris thought he heard one
thing. So we.
Went back, I didn't know who was talking.
Well, right. And I'm like, oh, the tall,
gangly Big Bird. And then we've got the Grover as
the twin drover and Big Bird. And then we've got Abby Mcgabby
Dabby. But she was.
Was she the one you wanted to show to respect to a minute ago?
Or was. The Dwell.
I love when you're talking about giving people respect on this
show. Oh, and I don't mean their show,
I mean our show. Like, this is funny.
Oh my God. I'm trying to think of what
people would have called me when I was pergante or like what
they would probably call me now.
And This is why I have a fear of caricatures.
So wow. Which is how my husband proposed
to me. Oh.
Yes, which is why it was such a shock.
And you know, he got me. There.
He really surprised me with that.
One of what? You looked like as a cartoon
character. It's like one of my biggest
fears, like caricatures are like, I'm so sorry, but they're
fucking hideous every time. So.
Mind have always been very attractive.
Oh. OK, just kidding?
Janelle asks. Has US going public helped in
any way? And then Joe goes on some
diatribe, some speech or whatever.
It shouldn't say it like that. He just says something on the
lines of, I get frustrated over how much more needs to happen,
like with public perception and with polygamists living in the
shadows. And it's like, wow, why do they
live in the shadows? Is it just because of ostracism,
or is it because there's reasons that they live in the
shadows? Historically there are so many
reasons, but I think like in today's society with like
polyamory, polyamory is kind of a quasi accepted thing.
So I think if this would come out nowadays, people wouldn't be
as shocked. Yeah, well, in many ways, thanks
to the Browns. They were revolutionaries,
right? They opened our eyes and our
ears and our legs to many people.
Duh. Like what am I talking about?
Like, of course it's because of them.
Jesus, Kimberly. Janelle was really just fishing
for a compliment. I mean, of course she was.
That bitch. Yeah.
I mean, he, like Joe, basically says that he feels like going
public has to happen in order to help, you know, bring light to
the fact that there are different polygamous sects and
they all have different beliefs and.
Which of course, allows the show to give Kody another moment to
talk about how they are not the stereotype that everyone has of
polygamists. He is not at all some evil.
I was going to say shrew, harpy, whatever the other word was
that someone told us in a comment about what the actual
terms are that we were trying. To use Siren, Siren.
And I totally got that wrong. And I, you know, as soon as I
read that comment, I was like, Kimberly, you dumb fucking
bitch. Like you dumb bitch, I can't
believe you got Siren and Harpy mixed up like.
Well, I love because I was just like, yeah, Harpy.
Like one of those women that just won't shut up.
And like create code is my God.
Version of that, whatever that. Is I actually was kicking myself
when I read that comment because I was like God, you
know, and this is the stuff that drives me nuts.
Like when you get called out for stuff like that and you're like,
God, that was really dumb because I'm like a huge sci-fi
fantasy nerd and it's different when you're talking about it.
Even layering on the shame. So you should be even more
ashamed than those deep, dark, dank, polygamous.
I should be living in sin now. I believe it's when we're going
to transition to the discussion of the working out and the belt.
This is the built Dargers, but
like the family that just works out like.
Those dumbbell. Dargers.
Dumbbell Dargers. Oh my gosh, not the dumbbell
Dargers. Sorry, Dargers.
Whatever your names are. That's so bad.
But you know, Christine of course has to say, oh, we all
know the Dargers work out every day and they have this
discussion about them working out.
They're an inspiration, darling.
There is. I literally tuned this out
because I was like I cannot listen to the Browns talking
about working out anymore. Like I just am like I don't give
a fuck. I do have to pause here and say
that Janelle actually looks really good on the couch right
now. She's sitting, so there's Kody
in the middle. Of course, I was always good.
And then Janelle is next to him for once, and Christina's on the
outside and so she's between Kody and Christine and she's
wearing a red like button up top and she looks like she's lost
weight here. Like she actually looked really
good. And I made little asterisks next
to that so that I would call it out because we talk about her
being on the end a lot. And it's unfortunate for her and
it fucking is. And this is proof because she
deserve some justice. Yes, for that they did her real
fucking dirty over and over again.
Always. They do her dirty all the time.
Part of me feels like just do
the producers like not like her, but I don't know that that's
the case. It's just when you, you know,
you're at the end of the couch, you're at the widest part of
the lens and it's just so unhelpful.
I think that she's just like an afterthought because she's so
like, amenable. Like she is that amenable.
Amenable. Whatever that word is.
She goes along with whatever and she's just willing to take like
the butt end of the bread every time.
That's what I call. It the butt end of the bread.
The butt end of the bread like it let's say the whole family
gets toast and it gets to the last piece and she's like I'll
take the butt end and I feel. Like resources can't buy any
more bread. Yeah.
And that just goes into, like, a lot about her past and how she
was raised. And she just, like, gets to take
it and take it and take it. Yeah.
And they do her dirty on the couch.
And I don't think it even has to do with the producers.
I think it just has to do with the wives probably, like sitting
down and getting their asses in there.
And then she just, like, lollygags on in and sits there.
Yeah.
I think the truth lies in the middle in the sense that there
is some reason that this show doesn't give her a flattering
light, very regular at all. And maybe it is because of just
who she is and how she operates.
But it almost feels like at times where it's like, how is
this even the case? Like no one.
I mean, other than they don't I guess They all look terrible.
I don't know. I don't know what to say.
Now. I have another thing that I
would like to bring up here because we go to the Dargers on
the couch and I, I'm curious. So we go back and forth between
the Browns and the Dargers talking about jealousy issues
and how they handle it. And this is an ongoing theme, of
course. Of course, it is like in any
relationship. But I noticed, and you noticed,
that the two first wives of the Dargers look more alike than the
twins. And I think that after a while,
you take on other people's traits, which is why they'll say
like, oh, spouses start to look like they dress alike.
They whatever, you know, people that you're around, you take on
their mannerisms. Now the twin sister was in a
marriage for 11 years out God knows where with.
With God knows who. This person and God knows how
many other wives and whatever. Yeah.
And then you've got these two first wives that this is like
their first ever relationship. Let's be honest.
Dating in courting is for the purpose of getting married.
So they've never been in a relationship other than with Joe
and each other. Yeah.
And they look a lot alike. They've obviously taken on each
other's traits. Their hair looks alike, the way
they style themselves as a like and not in the sense that other
polygamists like other Mormons do.
The bouffant, the Prairie look. Yeah.
Not the Prairie look.
Not on purpose. This is like a slow morphing
taking on traits thing. 100 That's why I thought they were
the sisters, because they literally look like twins.
And you're right, I don't know what that term is.
If you know what it is, let us know.
But there is a term for that. It's like this osmosis of
someone's, you know, vibes, their nests, their looks, this
whole thing, you know, And that definitely happens with them.
I noticed it a lot after you pointed it out because to me at
first I didn't notice that OK. And I noticed angles where the
twins looked a lot alike and their noses looked a lot alike.
And I don't want to bring it
back to the noses but like let's be honest, it comes like 2
noses and jaws and I set and whatever the wife that is not
the sister has the ski jump nose.
But you're right, the two first wives look like they could be.
Twins. Yeah, I agree.
And this conversation is where the Dargers start talking about
this showing affection. Open it late, openly, openly.
Like in front of each other. And how they are comfortable
with doing that. And you know, they kind of give
some bullet points. I don't know that any of them
have significance like. How does that take anything away
from me? Like love is multiplied, not
divided. Like, yeah, how does that take
anything away from me? And you know, logically that
makes sense. I'm way too jealous and
emotionally based of a person to be in that situation.
Like I would totally be fucked in the brain.
I don't know if I could do that in my marriage but they are able
to. And like, I'm not going to yuck
their Yum but. I know I always default to like
too broad where I think of ensembles and like a good star
knows when to let someone else. Shine.
Yes, yes. That's not the same as a
romantic relationship, but there is an element of that.
Yeah, I mean knowing where each other one each of the other
wives like can shine and where you take a step back would be Oh
my God. Like, I don't even know how you
would learn that. I just feel like this other
family like has it so dialed in and God, you cannot tell that
from one episode and I know that.
They do seem so much more well functioned in our introduction
to them. Yeah, I even said to you, I'm
like, I would watch a show about these guys.
Like they seem like very interesting people and maybe
they're actually boring because they have it so dialed in and
that's why they I don't know. That's why we don't know their
name. Like we don't.
The Browns. Well, definitely Chris doesn't
know their names. There is this back and forth
like you were referencing with the topics between the Dargers
talking about it and the Browns, like the adults.
And at one point in this kind of back and forth, Meri has a
moment on the couch where she says that they have a lot of
things to deal with in their relationships and that they
would do that without adding the level of jealousy by sharing
affection with each other in front of each other.
And it's like, well. But like, that's a load of
fucking bullshit. You guys talk all the time about
how you don't talk about your sexual relationships with each
other and you don't do that stuff in front of each other
because that's crossing a boundary.
And they're just so full of their own bullshit all the time.
And they waver on like what they
do and they just don't have. Well, and even what would that
be like? Oh honey, it's Thanksgiving
dinner, let's fuck on the table.
Oh, but no, there's other people around.
Like this stuff doesn't even happen.
And like regular relationships, you're not exactly like
exhibiting a whole bunch of affection in certain ways.
Like, of course there's like honeymoon phases and whatever in
a relationship, but I don't know, most people going through
their day aren't just like making out with their spouse in
front of everybody. Like that's not exactly typical.
No.
And I feel like giving like a pack in front of family or like
holding hands or putting your arms around each other is like
pretty common. And I think that that's what
they do. And you can tell when the Browns
do it, that they are uncomfortable sometimes.
Like the Valentine's episode, for instance, Kody was showing
way more affection to Robyn. And I think we even pointed that
out. And that was an odd instance.
And I think that we noticed it there because it was an odd
instance for them to do that. And it's because they're not
actually around each other as much as we would like to fucking
think. That and they don't share things
with each other. And this other family they're.
With each other all the time. They're with each other all the
time and they share way more together.
So they have to be around each other when they're having
connection or like a pack or a handhold or whatever.
And even with my own sister, I'll be like, you know, put my
arm around her or like, pull her in or things like that.
And so to not have that regularly and be married as a
family, it just would be so bizarre.
Very weird. I would never be able to do what
the Browns claim that they can do, which they can't.
They don't. Because I kind of think that my
love language is actually physical touch.
Like I'm always kind of doing that with people and not in a
romantic sense, just in a like I like to like, you know, give
someone a hug. I like to embrace people.
I like to touch an arm. Like I'm all about that shit.
And if I wasn't able to do, if I had to constantly be thinking
about not doing that, I would change fundamentally as a
person, like not in a good way.
Like I would be uncomfortable all the time.
I mean, we even like, we'll give hugs and like kisses on cheeks
and you will with my husband and it's like I wouldn't even think
twice about it. When it if it happens in front
of me I don't even I'm like when if it happened it does I don't
even notice it so I I don't know.
I wouldn't. I don't know, but they, I think,
notice it each time. Like, I can imagine Meri seeing
that and being like. He doesn't touch me.
I imagine it being a jealousy thing because they're pitted
against each other because Kody has no backbone and he's a slug.
In our next scene on this
fabulous episode, the kids are going to go to a diner for
shakes. Oh, they're walking along the
shore. And I noticed when they get to
their destination, it's called Cruising Cafe One O 1.
And I'm like, yes, the Cruisin Cafe 101, that's where you go to
get a shake on the beach. I love that you caught that.
I was like, the kids go to a malt shop and there ain't poodle
skirt. Cruisin Cafe 101 and their
poodle skirts. And they have socks with little
ruffles and their little white sneakers on.
And we're back in Greece. Yeah, they say the boys hair is
all greased to the side. They've got the little Combs in
their pockets. Just kidding.
There's just a lot of bad clothes and acne because it's
teenagers going to Cruisin Cafe 101.
It's really, I, I feel like when they were walking, it was all
the kids. But then when we get inside,
it's really just the older kids sitting around a table.
And they might have, you know, segregated the kids for, like, a
scene, but the older kids from both families are sitting around
this large table in the corner of the diner.
There's more older Darger kids than there are brown kids.
Maddie points out to the Dargers that they seem very organized
as family. Oh my God.
Like, yeah. In comparison.
They talk a little bit about plural marriage and if anyone
from each family is interested in plural marriage.
And Caleb Darger says that he does not want plural marriage
and he knows that they kind of each go back and forth and break
that down. Did you know anything from like
either side about that? I didn't really care too much
about the details of what they were sharing.
For some reason, I felt like it was a bit filler.
The Darger boys, you know, before we get this lovely quote
from Caleb, which is one of my favorite quotes from the show, I
have to admit, the Darger boys do make inference and kind of
some repeated comments about how Joe is like a no nonsense take
charge kind of guy. And that's another thing
throughout this episode where they're kind of doing this
display of like Kody and his kids versus Joe and his kids.
And I noticed a lot of the kids totally look not inbred.
And so take that for what it's worth.
And Caleb has this lovely quote when he's talking about his
father, Joe Joseph, the patriarch of the Darger family,
and he refers to his dad as big, bald and intimidating.
Yeah. And I'm like, yes, being bald
and intimidating. And it does fit.
I think intimidating is a teenager, you know, taking that
from their dad and their life experience.
He does like I can see it. He has some serious eyes like I
can. He has, I guess, like that
serious look. He's big and bald and I would be
like, if he was coming at me being like, listen, I'd be like,
oh, I am intimidated. So I guess daddy.
Yeah, like totally, Dad, whatever you have to say, tell
me what to do. So I don't know.
I kind of felt like the scene was a bit throw away.
I don't know that I learned anything other than that Joe is
big, bald, and intimidating. The darker moms are a good team
is what I took away from it, and that Joe has a plan for
everything, whereas Logan says that they each go to a different
mom for different areas of expertise and Caleb says that
Joe is an encyclopedia basically and they go to Joe for the
answers. That's right.
And then Maddie says our house is chaos.
Yeah, affirming what we know. Telling us what we know.
They show the little brother with the large forehead a few
times like smiling and giggling along like Beavis and Butthead
style but. Not in bread.
But Caleb is giving the answers, and I'm not going to say it's
rehearsed. I don't think it's rehearsed.
I think that it's just organic that he's the older brother and
he's giving the answer is just kind of like how Logan is.
I think as he gets older he might realize that he's a little
big, bald and intimidating. I think so.
He might have a little of his daddy inside of him.
I think so. Although I ironically don't
think that's actually his bio dad, I think.
No, I don't think it is. The bottom third saying that it
was like from the previous marriage.
Yeah, Yeah. I think that that's one of
Val's, like older your sons from a previous marriage, which I
got to say the vibe that I got was that she is like, she was
kind of scared to like, maybe leave that marriage, which is
why it took a while. And she maybe didn't know if
she'd be able to, like, take her kids with her.
And sure, it kind of speaks that her older son is here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we leave Cruising Cafe One
O 1, which you know happens to be along Highway One O 1 and you
can cruise there to that cafe. And you can cruise in their
bathroom. Well, this is it.
Like the adults are walking along the beach.
In our next scene, they're going to go to Dini's Bistro.
Dini Apostrophe S Bistro. Dini's Bistro, I wish we got a
little bit more of the interior because I'm like, what was this
place really like? But unfortunately, we just got
all the adults around the table for a while talking now.
I don't know if I should say, unfortunately, I guess that's
why we're watching this show. But the Browns talk about the
challenges of living in separate homes since they moved to
Vegas. Christine says they had to do a
reset. And I was surprised that she
knew the word reset. Yeah, Joe is wondering, like,
did you envision this? Did you expect 4 separate homes?
Like what's going on here?
Like he is kind of surprised by it and was this an accident?
He doesn't get it. And now Kody talks about some
things that none of us will get.
Oh. My God.
Kody fucking Brown. He says that when they were
moving to Vegas, he was thinking they'd find a short sale from a
rich person. Some millionaire would have lost
his. Home some rich, rich person
would have gone into short sale on their home, you know,
10152030 foot, 50,000 square feet.
He just throws out some numbers and a house that would maybe
have like 4 kitchens and 25 bedrooms.
And I'm staring at the TV going. He's being sarcastic, right?
Like he's being silly. He's making this up.
I don't think he was. I think he was being serious
like an idiot. I was going WTF?
No, like what were they going to get like the Bunny Ranch, like
outside of Vegas, Like, do you know what I mean?
Like what was that show that used to be on with the like?
About the brothel. About the brothel, like what did
you think that like after that guy died in bed there?
That's two separate. See this is the thing like I
don't. The kitchen would be larger.
They have a commercial kitchen. Everyone has their own space.
Hey, maybe they should have got a motel, but instead they found
that the big homes in Vegas had like 5 bedrooms and one kitchen
because they were standard homes and not defaults.
In short sales for multimillionaires with four
kitchens. I'm like, I don't know, I've
been in some pretty big homes and you might have a a kitchen
like a Butler's kitchen. You might even have a little
kitchenette in your basement. You got some things.
No home has four kitchens. Like I shouldn't say no home.
The the compound in Lehigh had three, so I don't.
Maybe he's just that like, dumb that he thinks that that's
common. Yeah, I.
I don't get what he thought here.
Like a condo situation perhaps? I have no idea.
It just made him sound really, really stupid and I was waiting
for the moment where he was going to laugh or make it clear
that he was joking and. Yeah, he did not.
He was not joking. It was very bizarre.
Doesn't know anything. And the darker women, the darker
wives, whichever wives, not sure who were like, you know,
you got to try the one kitchen again.
You know, eventually you'll get it and it'll be smooth sailing.
Yeah, No, not for the Browns. Definitely not.
Yeah. And then Meri says, well, how do
you handle like when Ichigo wants to decorate differently?
Yeah. And then one of the darker wives
is like, is how you want to decorate worth separating your
kids over and how you raise your family?
Right. And she kind of says it like
that. Like, are, is this a joke?
Like, are you really asking me that?
Like being in a plural marriage is about compromise, and the
Dargers talk about that again, it's about compromise.
Like, I can't believe you're bringing up, like how you're
going to decorate your home versus how you're going to raise
your children. Dun Dun, Dun.
I know because I'm going like God I'd pick the decorating over
the children, but I also don't have any children, so the math
is mouthing on that one. So Kody says that he wouldn't
choose for them to share a kitchen again because of their
differences. And he says I'm not being
sexist, but the kitchen needs to be their domain.
Yes, they need to have ownership of their own kitchen,
basically based on the past and then in front of the Dargers,
Kody says. I have two wives who think
sharing a kitchen can be abusive.
OK, two wives. So he specifically says I have
two wives who think it can be a can be abusive.
He doesn't even say like he's putting the blame on them.
OK, Yeah. Right, who think it can be
abusive Now he doesn't say it like that.
He basically is like, scared. And he even says, like, I'm not
going to let Joe push this idea on me.
This is just not something that we're going to try again.
And I think it's something that my family is still probably
never going to get over. And then we go to the couch
where the Browns are having their confessional.
And Meri says that she takes that statement personally
because she knows that Janelle thinks she abused her.
Meri does start her statement by saying it makes me sad, Yeah,
which I always have. I kind of have a hard time
sometimes putting my thumb putting my finger on Meri's
actual emotions because she'll say statements like it makes me
sad and then cry about what she's talking about and I go
like I don't know if she's really sad.
I I have a hard time following it.
It almost seems like maybe she just feels like she's getting
called out on things. And she can't handle it and.
She can't. I, I, I don't know.
It's hard for me to navigate, but when she references, you
know, the relationship at the beginning and she knows that
Janelle thinks that she abused her, she's like, it was never my
intention to do that. Janelle to you.
I'm sorry, Janelle. And it's like, well, she's
literally is apologizing. She does apologize, and she says
that she had a louder voice and she hadn't learned how to
temper it. Yeah, and that Janelle didn't
have that lot of a voice. And Janelle says that she didn't
know that she could speak up and that Kody didn't step up for
her. Now I really really think that
Kody is the type of narcissist that will pit people against
each other to feed his own ego. Wow, yeah.
And I think that they're realizing it maybe for the first
time because they're having to sit down and do these
interviews. And I think it's super emotional
and like ripping open these scars again because they're
realizing for the first time that Kody as the man of the
house should have been the one based on their religion, based
on how they were raised. And they didn't have role models
because they were like, basically, you're like thrust
into this, right? Like everything's secretive,
whatever, whatever. And then here you go.
You're handed off to your husband who's supposed to know
how to do everything. Well, then you got a husband
that's like a little pip squeak that doesn't step up.
And they all just didn't know what to do.
And I'm not saying that Kody bears all the responsibility and
that he should have known what to do.
But then you go to a guy like Joe, who was probably in a
similar situation, and yet it played out so differently.
And I think that they're realizing for maybe like the
first time. And it has been said in their
original book and Christine's book.
That they hadn't spoken openly until the couch interviews.
Right. So I really truly think in real
time we are seeing them realize Kody's faults.
Yeah, not explicitly calling them out, just probably putting
pieces together. Yeah, you're right.
Christine references in her book and in Becoming Sister.
Why? Well, talks about how.
How hard it was? How?
Hard it was to have these conversations because they
didn't really have honest conversations.
And then they have producers and directors prodding them, and
Kody should have stepped up in that in some way.
If he's supposed to be the goal. Between the the man of the
house, whatever, you know, Meri was the first wife.
So Joe married these two women at the same time.
Meri did have the one up on being the first wife.
And then Janelle came in and yeah, there's so many different
dynamics happening here. But really, Kody does kind of
make it seem like he has no part of it.
No part of it, right? He's just these women against
each other all the time. He's just the man.
These women have issues. I'm going to step back.
You guys make the decisions. He doesn't want to be the bad
guy ever. Ever.
No, no, no. He's going to let anyone else
take the blame but him. And Meri was, you know, she
probably was a bitch. She probably just said whatever
was on her mind. And maybe if she didn't, even if
she maybe was just more passive aggressive or just like
rude, OK, well, that was her vibe.
And she probably was allowed to get away with it because Kody
didn't do anything. And then Janelle's like, why
can't I have anything the way I want her?
Why is everything that I do wrong, you know?
And when you dig into like the history of like Mormonism and
plural marriage, historically, the first wife makes the
decisions and speaks for everybody.
So if Meri really truly thought that that's what she was
supposed to do, and if she was raised that that's what she was
supposed to do, then she was doing it.
And Janelle didn't come from that background.
That's true. So she didn't know that like,
oh, I'm going to be joining this marriage.
And not only do I have to answer to Kody, but I do have to
answer to Meri. And she's in charge of me as the
first wife. So I think that there is bad
communication on multiple levels.
And when you look at what happened with Kody's father, he
is in a plural marriage because of essentially cheating.
And he put his wife, his first wife, in that position by
essentially cheating. And it's Polly under duress.
But you know, the woman is subservient.
So I had to step back and say, OK, I guess this is all right.
And yes, we're going to just change our religion and our
outlook on life because the man says it's so.
And so Kody is used to the women, like cowing to the man,
but he doesn't know how to be the man.
So like, how do you get these women to submit other than just
plotting them against each other until you're right?
I'm curious about the elements too of the women.
So I totally agree with you about the Kody perspective or
the Kody vibes. I think there's another thing
too with them. I'm having flashbacks to the
most recent season of Sister Wives where Janelle talks about
like, shoving food down the sink drain because she knew he'd
piss Meri off. Janelle's not some like,
delicate flower who was being stepped on by the big giant
Meri. Like, I think Janelle let's the
narrative play out the way it does because she doesn't look
bad. Meri looks bad.
Meri looks like the one who's the domineering harpy siren
bitch. Everyone wants to.
Everyone wants to get. Everyone wants to hate on Meri,
but really I don't think definitely most of the onus has
to come on Kody for not doing anything.
Typical man, just to do that. But.
If you're bringing women into this situation and you're
supposed to be the head of the household.
Yeah. This is why.
Oh God, here she goes, girls. No, Oh my God, this is exactly
why. It's like, all right, all of the
wars, all of the like, I'm, I'm not even going to go into it,
right. But like, Oh my God, men are so
fucking stupid sometimes and they think they should be in
charge and they can't handle it.
Yeah, absolutely prime example of it.
They can't even handle it in a situation like this, much less
handling a whole country. But.
Yeah, yeah, he's. I digress.
Run away and put his head in the sand and avoid it.
And then if anything comes up, pit them against each other.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, let me manipulate them
into thinking that they're the ones that are wrong here.
Oh. God, it's messy.
It is, and they're realizing in front of us.
None of us, yes, and they're putting pieces together, but
also not allowed, not allowing each other, not allowing
themselves to really tear into those things.
Just probably get upset. Yeah.
And, you know, I guess I'll give Meri kudos for apologizing to
Janelle once again. I can't really read Meri
sometimes, so sometimes even her apologies feel a little like, if
you need it or like, kind of bitchy.
I don't know. Like the way she words things is
like, I'm sorry that you feel that way or yeah, like Janelle
feels that I abused her. She's putting like, like the
feeling on them, which is kind of like what you're taught to do
in customer service, to be honest.
Like you don't apologize for anything because that's like
admitting wrongdoing. But you say like, oh, I'm sorry
you had that experience or that you felt like it went that way.
And so she's being very, I'm
going to put this on them and not take the blame, but I think
these emotions are real. OK.
Yeah, I think that she actually feels really horrible and I
don't think she ever would really mean to abuse somebody.
So I think that she is remorseful.
I agree with that. She literally says something
like I didn't know it was too much at the time.
Like she, she might have not known.
I don't know. I just feel bad for both of them
and I feel like Kody did feel them because if you're going to
position yourself in this like power role and then you're not
stepping up to fulfill it, you are letting the people down.
That's true. That's true.
That's like, just like a parent with like 2 little kids, you
know, you're the parent, you're letting them down.
We have to think of it like these women are kind of raised
to be subservient and, like, childlike in some ways.
And if, like, you know, if a parent's not stepping it up,
kids aren't equipped to handle the situation, then of course,
they're like, set up to fail. Yeah.
Interesting transition point because then Joe starts talking
about his business background and how he wanted to make a
mission statement for their family because he always saw the
value in that. I've been a part of a few
mission statement exercises at workplaces.
And not necessarily like, oh, you're going to put it on a
billboard or you're going to have it be your whatever, but
like literally what is the mission of your team?
What is your goal when you're coming to a decision point, when
you're doing whatever, what is the priority?
And this seems like it's triggered because of Kody's
inability to lead his family. And they're sharing an example
of it. It shows like hello this is what
I've done. Joe says that he was surprised
by how the conversation took a turn when it came to the
kitchen. Yeah.
And so he brought up that he was a business major and that he
made the wives write a mission statement and that all of the
wives separated and had time to write their own mission
statement. And then they came together and
took the parts that they each wanted and put it into one
family mission statement. And Vicki again makes a comment
like, what am I willing to sacrifice for this?
What am I willing to sacrifice for the family that I want and
that I believe is like my true calling?
And then Joe calls out again, like, this is not for a moment.
This is for forever. It is do or die.
He literally says So for him, he's like, if I am running like
my household, I am running it like a business and like I'm
getting us to heaven. I'm getting yes it's for
eternity and he makes. Us all in there.
He's not making. It's no joke.
And then this leads into them talking about how Joe gets to
see his kids every day. And I thought this was a very
interesting point because I don't know if they're aware.
I mean, obviously they must know that Kody's with the four
houses. There's some things it didn't
come across as too much of A dig, but it's like a no.
It's important for me to see my kids every day.
That is part of their, I didn't share their mission statement,
but I'm sure it's a crucial part of their mission statement is
that they are together every day.
That's their family and it's important.
Kody's bed checks, man. They're not happening.
Oh yeah, no, those, yeah, those bed checks.
Yeah. So with the Dargers, you know,
bragging about their great family and how he's run like a
business sailing and they have record profits every quarter,
you know, they're back on the couch with the Browns and Kody
asks if they should make a mission statement.
And once again, we get to hear from every wife, which they tend
to do. And like, that's all good.
Robyn says yes, she'd love to do a mission statement.
Meri says sure, I'd be happy to do so.
Christine says I always wanted one.
I've always dreamed of a mission statement.
And then we get to Janelle and she says I don't see the value,
but I'll do it. He's like, OK, Janelle, all
right. I mean, she's, I don't know if I
want to say I don't like this about her, but she phones in so
much stuff sometimes. Like it's like bitch, be a
participant in your own life. I feel like she seems defeated
because she was the one that was all about, no, we need to have
the homes together. We need to be together for the
children. If you think back to the first
season, she was all about together and togetherness and
raising the children together. And you know, if you go back to
that and then you come to now and you're talking about the
house budgets, and I think she's been beaten down and she seems
super defeated. Because I think if you would
have asked Janelle this in Season 1, even Season 2, she
would have been like gung ho about it.
But she could fucking care less right now.
Yeah, that's definitely the vibe.
Yeah. Meri jokes that it's just
another thing they can take on board from the Dargers.
She's like, I could take another thing on board from the
Dargers. And she's talking about Joe's
big bald head. We cut back to the table.
They're all talking about taking another trip next year.
Ha ha, ha, ha. Look at our plague trip.
Look at us polygamous. They're having so much fun.
Janelle talks about how monogamous have many examples of
how other people live their lives and they see all these
things and polygamous have fewer.
And this always strikes with me, and I've talked about it before
on this show, that like as a little homosexual who is still
in the closet, you know, I didn't have many examples of
queer people growing up. And the ones that were there
were like either a stupid waiter that was silly or a tragic
victim, someone who was on their deathbed or they were shunned by
society, living in the shadows.
So there is an element of truth to that, and I get it.
I think it's hard to carve your own.
It's easier for me to have carved my own path because I am
by myself, doing my thing. Whatever.
When you're building a community as a family, like your own
little unit, that's there's so many more complications and so
many more layers. Yeah.
And at the time, like, you know, they're doing voice overs from
Janelle and Kody talking about family and what it means, and
they're giving shots of all of the homes like these sepia
shots. Oh, of the of their current
homes outside. Yeah, yeah.
And then we get a comment from the Dargers and they think that
the Browns just have chaotic bliss.
They're living in chaotic bliss.
Chaotic bliss and Kody says, well, we've moved from reacting
to situations to planning for them and I'm going.
I think that's a bit optimistic of your view.
Like, OK, so after three seasons now or two, let's go with two.
You finally got a pre approval and may be able to afford some
homes. So I don't know.
You literally thought you're going to move into a rich
person's house that was evacuated in a Russian had four
kitchens. You are not a planner, Sir.
You are reacting to situations. Still, what a joke.
But then, he says, the homes are the first big plan we finally
have. It's a beautiful thing.
Christine says that I think the houses are going to be better
than what we had in Lehigh. Interesting foreshadowing.
Not only that it's not going to be better, but that she doesn't
want to live with the other women.
She does not want to live with her sister wives.
And then we cut away with another gorgeous Ariel shot of
the cul-de-sac. Oh, Meri leaves us with these
words. There will be another learning
curve. What the fuck?
So. So we're floating away with the
cul de sacs and Meri's quote. And it's just a disaster.
This family is a mess. If you guys are still here with
us, we made it through the episode.
There is a coming up on at the end, which Kimber had a visceral
reaction to because in our next episode, those of you
who've seen the show know that what I'm going to talk about,
which is the debate discussion with the Browns and some former
polygamists who are all like, girl, this ain't right, This
ain't right, this is bad. And we get that girl with the
bleach, bleach, bleach. Kimber, I would like for you to
actually describe what this woman looks like, 'cause I'm,
I'm, I'm not going to give it justice.
That hair is fried, dyed and laid to the side.
And it is. Blown back upward and
hairsprayed to the high heavens. And it is so far gone that it's
behind Jesus's back. It's so good.
I was like, Kimberly, you look like this girl I think I've
seen. Photos where you kind?
Of. You kind of look.
Like this girl? No, my head the.
Side of my head was fully shaved.
I was a little more aggressive. You were a little more emo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Taken aback by this.
Side to be coming. What are they to be coming?
What do they call it? I just call it coming up on so I
don't know what the next episode, next episode dot.
Dot, dot, are you familiar with this girl?
Do you know who she is? No.
OK, see this, what I love is like she's a bit of a she's a
benchmark in this show. Like next step is I'm really
looking forward to next episode because she lets them have it.
OK, and she looks the way she looks.
What I got to say is I watched. The first.
Probably like 3. Seasons of the show while they
were airing in real time. And then as a reminder, like
I've said, I've seen snippets here and there on social media
and like little updates. And then when this podcast
started, I didn't start watching again, but I was listening.
And when we decided to take on this adventure together as bosom
buddies, I decided that I wouldn't watch anything or even
watch clips on social media. I've been avoiding it because I
want real time like reactions from myself and I want to learn
as I would have learned the first time watching it through.
Yes, I'm just so looking forward
to hearing your opinions about this girl, because she is.
Young, sassy, bleach blonde, lots of eye makeup and she knows
everything. OK, so I'm excited to hear what
you have. So she's like me, maybe when you
were younger and you thought. You knew everything.
Not like today, not like today, not like the Harley, not like
the shrew you are today. So when we've.
Started recording you. Referenced that you looked up
the Dargers because we were wondering about what was going
on with them or who they were. And I said I think they might
have had a show. What are we circling back to in
your, you know, very deep scholastic searching?
Yeah. So this was two years ago.
They're still together. Joe has issued a public
criticism of Kody, and he has blamed the demise of the family
on Kody. That's kind of all I know.
He's still married to them, I think.
And Oh my God, this gets even worse.
He married Alina and Vicki, who are cousins, on the same day
and then ten years later he married Vicky's twin sister,
Valerie Val. They didn't tell us that they
were cousins. Incidentally, Joe's.
Late uncle was the ex. Husband of Christine Brown's
anti polygamist aunt, right? This shit gets even crazier.
Apparently they filmed a pilot.
For a proposed reality show house full of spouses.
And they gained notoriety through the book so they didn't
have a show. It was the book love times 3.
So they were trying to get their own show basically is what I'm
assuming they wrote a book. I wonder if it's any better than
becoming sister wise. And then they filmed a.
Pilot for a show called House Full of Spouses.
Oh, God, I love this. The Google AI thing says Joe
Darger is married to twin sisters Vicki and Valerie and
their cousin Alina. Yeah, whoa.
People are like to. Be honest, the family creeped me
out. They're weird.
Blah. Blah blah.
And I'm like. This so interesting because like
I didn't get that. I got they just know what they
want and they're like more regimented.
Wow, I totally thought they had their own show.
I. Didn't.
I did not know or think that, but I was thinking.
Like it would be interesting if they had done a spinoff with
another family, you know? To me they didn't seem terribly
creepy. Or weird.
Or strange. It's hard to say that about a
family like this when you read the bullet points on a Google
search and it's like Joe Darger married twin sisters and then
their cousin like, Oh my God. Oh no you guys this is don't
know what is happening. My entire existence just
crumbled in front of my eyes. Apparently one of the sons has
stated that he was like a general and the wives and kids
were like his foot soldiers. Which is hilarious because I did
just compare them to like a military leader versus like a
Boy Scout leader. You totally.
Yeah, I guess I, I just got to say like, any of these things,
like are problematic, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, there's problems everywhere.
And you like you cannot. Just based.
On one episode judge anybody. I mean, I think it's hard to put
on a complete front like I think I think that but then also
like narcissists are very good at putting on a complete front.
That's true.
The also some of these search results connect.
Big Love, that scripted show, they are considered inspiration
for the HBO series Big Love, specifically the character Bill
Hendrickson. And they knew the actor Bill
Paxton, who played the lead in Big Love.
God, this is even their story and the connectivity to this
show is incestuous. And that's not even talking
about how they're incestuous. Yeah, I am going to have to like
put together a list of. Shows that I think that people
should watch if they're interested even further in the
history of Mormonism and polygamy because I just think
that there is there's a lot of any time it comes to religion,
right? There's a lot of crazy history
and manipulation and I, I truly think a lot of religion was set
up by the higher ups as a manipulation tactic, right?
And I think a lot of these people are brainwashed.
I don't know, I, I'm a bit speechless.
I know, I feel. Like bring it back.
It's so weird. It's just so weird.
That we just rehashed. This entire episode and then to
find out these things that were not presented.
It's also another example of reality TV editing producers
some, they were setting up this whole thing to try to get these
people a show. They were trying to sell a book
or they sold a book. They were doing these things
meanwhile. I mean, I guess it's just taking
what we already knew and making it a little worse.
I can't believe that they were cousins that married the same
man. Tin foil hats, baby.
I got to say, I'm very curious.
I want. To do some more like digging
into this family because the wool could have been pulled over
on our eyes. It, you know, like it very well
could have been like it has been with Kody.
Like narcissists have a good way of like hiding their true
colors. Who knows what's really going on
here? The sun was speaking for all of
the children in the one scene. Who knows what that means?
So I think that to really draw conclusions, I don't want to
ruin the Brown story for myself, which is why I haven't been
watching stuff. But I I'm going to look into
this and maybe at the start of next episode, we'll come back
with some answers about where this family is at today, because
I don't think that'll ruin stuff.
I don't know. We'll figure out interesting way
to end this episode because the next episode is about the.
Browns being criticized for being polygamous, so, you know,
there's some tie insurance. OK.
The Dargers. Man, I don't even know what to
say. Oh my God, Yeah.
I don't. Know, yeah, mind blown.
We're going to look into it a little bit.
I want to come back. With some answers for everybody.
I love it.
This is going to help me with my
shit stain, that's for sure. So darling, would you like to
start with your mustard seed for this episode?
Who really made you feel like they could be a tree under the
sun for the children to sit under and get some shade when
they grow up? Because you.
Know now they're just a seed. Going in the ground, everybody
in this episode seemed very like.
We're putting on a happy face, yes.
And like we're doing this. Agreed.
And I don't know if anybody, like, truly shone through the
clouds for me, but I would probably say that it was
Christine. Okay?
There's really no other reason than like, her blind optimism.
Yeah, like she's talking about oh, like.
I'd be open to. One of like the kids getting
like married to one of the other kids, like we're friends with
them. And like, her naivete is like
endearing sometimes. And I think she was like truly
raised in this religion and like raised like a little Princess
in her family. And I really think she's like so
naive sometimes. And that's not usually like a,
an endearing quality. But in episodes like this or
sometimes when you're like screaming out loud, why does
nobody see this? At least I can look to her and
be like, I think because she really, truly doesn't see this
because she was raised in it and like her family is this type
of way. And I don't know, I think there
is a lot of sincerity to her because she's so naive and she
has a lot of little like cute moments throughout that episode
that are drawn back to the naivete.
That's all I that's like all like, I really don't think
there's a shining star here. No, there definitely is not.
I think I'm going to default to.
Giving my mustard seed to Logan because when the kids were at
the Cruising Cafe 101, he was speaking for the.
Family in a way that. Didn't feel terrible to me and
realistically if we're picking a mustard seed on this episode, it
is slim pickings. There's like nothing.
That was great. It was a 44 minute episode of 50
people going on vacation and I don't really like any of them.
And now that the episode's ending, I'm like, I definitely
don't like them. Like back and forth and back and
forth and like, it was weird. I don't know I'm.
Going to give it to Logan 'cause I don't really see anybody.
Else worthy of it. So that's what I'm defaulting
to. And I mean, I'm Team Logan, so
I'll give it to Logan, yeah. Now shit stain.
I'm going to give my shit stain. To Carl, and don't you fucking
get mad at me 'cause it's not. I can't remember.
'Cause. He had .5 seconds on a show that
he knew he was being filmed for and he's in charge of being
a face for a business. And he says a sexist joke about
having a daughter and a female dog, a female dog.
And he's got too many chicks in his life and he's getting them
left, right and center and God damn it, he's beating them off
with sticks. And you know my rental business
here, Carl, if that's your real name, you sexist bastard.
And I you know what if the. Brown Curse If the brown curse
is true, Carl's rental place, does it still exist or has it
been browned? Browned.
He's making a big X with his arms right now.
I love that. Thank you for the comment left
recently on The Artful Potter. Artful Potter, it has been
brought. It is goodbye.
You're there? Yeah.
Goodbye. Goodbye.
Yeah, definitely. He's terrible.
We all know everyone's fucking terrible.
In the family. So I just got to say that I
know. I think my shit stain I feel
like I have to give it to. Joe Darger because like you,
married cousins and then married one of their twin sisters.
I am in shock. They did not tell us that they
were. Cousins in this episode.
Which is a production issue. It's not necessarily his issue,
but he married Cousins on the same day that look like twins.
Yeah. And I feel like we were, like,
one of the twins. This is it like.
I went from going like, this guy's not that.
Bad to this guy's terrible. I literally with blind optimism
was watching this whole episode like.
You should be the outline for the Browns like.
What are the? Browns.
What are the Browns doing? And now I'm like, what are the
Dargers? Doing and not like.
As if I didn't already think marrying sisters was bad and I
know but I was giving him like a pass because I was like we were
being way. Too generous to.
Him way too generous. The big bald.
And intimidating. Joe Darger.
Oh, wow. I am.
I am in shock. We're in shock.
Shock shooketh to the core. In shock.
I just don't even know what to say.
Our keep sweet moment this episode.
Comes to us from Spotify. It is a comment from Fab Poppy.
Hello Fab Poppy.
Hello Poppy. Fab Poppy says.
I've binged all the previous episodes.
And finally. Caught up to today and now I
feel lost. What do you mean?
I have to wait a week for a new episode now?
I love your show. Well, fab Poppy, you know,
hopefully you have as low opinion about the Darkers as I
do. Now I'm rendered speechless on a
podcast. I don't even know what to say.
Buy me a Margarita? Well, this is it.
Maybe the tequila clouded my judgment and I thought that.
Joe Darger was a good. Guy, but turns out he's just
like a big penis. Honey, what's been your excuse
for the last? Like I won't even say how many
years then. How do you say touché in
Spanish?