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What does the nanny do? 
 
OK, so we're done. 

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Goodbye. 
 
You shut it off. 

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Do not twist my words. 
 
Do not make me a victim. 

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Sweetie. 
 
Just look at the mountain. 

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That's what you saw. 
 
That day, just the knife in the 

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kidneys over all these years and

 the sacrifices that I made to 

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love you. 
 
Happy Cinco de Mayo for anyone 

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who celebrates and anyone who's 
 listening on a release date. 

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May 5th Gay. 
 
If you're not working and you're

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not driving, have a Margarita, 

take a shot, eat a Taco, do 

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whatever you do on May 5th. 
 
Enjoy some mezcal. 

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For me, it's just about the 
 
drinking. 

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So I'm, you know, traditionalist

 like that. 

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Agreed. 
 
Season 5 Episode 3 More Sister 

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Wives. 
 
Oh, we're going to be meeting 

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more Sister wives. 
 
Very inventive title. 

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I would say in this episode we 

start with a reminder of the 

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family's pre approvals because 

we haven't talked about that 

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enough. 
 
So in case you don't remember 

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from the episode before this or 
 the one before that or the one 

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before that, they've been 
 
working towards being pre 

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approved for their homes at the 
 cul-de-sac and they have been 

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pre approved. 
 
We did get a moment of Robyn 

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being told she was approved and 
 it was like, oh. 

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I didn't want my my previous 
 
marriage to affect this family. 

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And one of the clips had her big

 old cold sore and I was like, 

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ah yes, don't ever let us forget

 about Robyn's cold sore. 

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They like to remind us. 
 
Before we get introduced to 

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these other sister wives, the 
 
more sister Wives, America's 

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second favorite polygamist 
 
family, we're going to go with 

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Kody as he visits each of his 
 
wives homes to discuss briefly 

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their home plan decisions. 
 
You started Christine's house. 

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Everyone's favorite brown wife. 
 

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There's a lot of favorites 
happening here, and I think I'm 

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 lying about all of them. 
Oh, it changes. 
 

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It changes each time, doesn't 
it? 
 

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That's why we have the shit 
stain in the mustard seed. 
 

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It truly does change. 
This time we're starting out 
 

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with Christine being the 
favorite. 
 

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We'll see if she is at the end. 
Oh, yeah, they're reviewing the 

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 house plans and Christine says 
she would like the five bedroom 

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 slash 6 bedroom option. 
My assumption is, and I, you 
 

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know, we definitely are not done
with this topic. 
 

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Oh my God, we are not done with 
this topic. 
 

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But I think that means that 
Christine is going for the five 

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 bedroom option and is hoping 
for this dining room slash 

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office 
 slash study that's off 
the foyer to be a sixth bedroom 

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because, 
 you know, she has all
these kids and they need all 

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these rooms. 
 
We have Robyn and Meri 

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affectionately calling it a 
 
hobby room and we've got 

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Christine saying that she wants 
 6 bedrooms and Kody is like, 

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oh, so you want the five bedroom

 option with the office? 

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Yeah, and they're all talking 
 
about the budget here and they 

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all have the same budget. 
 
So they have to talk about their

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budget and what they want and to

 fit in that budget. 

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They only have finite resources.

 

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Yes, the second wife's home that
we visit is Janelle and of 
 

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course she doesn't think that 
she needs 5 bedrooms. 
 

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She just doesn't see it. 
And she's got one kid that can 


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be alone, one kid that can be 
alone. 
 

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These two could be together. 
She wants the kids to share 
 

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rooms. 
She doesn't think that each kid 

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 needs their own room. 
And Kody is pushing her to have 

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 the extra bedroom. 
And he brings up Logan and he's 

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 like, what? 
You don't think that Logan's 
 

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going to be here to visit all 
the time in the summer? 
 

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You don't think that one of the 
kids will potentially stay here,

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 you know, randomly. 
And he is kind of trying to be 


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the voice of reason for her. 
And she keeps talking about 
 

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penny pinching bullshit. 
And I do understand kids sharing

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 bedrooms is a thing. 
I shared a bedroom with my 
 

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sister for a while. 
It was under obscure, weird 
 

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circumstances that we had to 
share a bedroom under duress, 
 

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that we had to share a bedroom. 
And I think it builds character,

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 you know? 
I shared bedroom as a young 
 

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child and I personally don't 
think I was scarred for life 
 

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from it. 
I think that that makes sense. 


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But there is something about 
becoming like a teenager where 


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it's like, I don't know, just 
get your kid their own room. 
 

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And you know, I hate when I have
to say this makes sense. 
 

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When Kody saying something it's 
terrible but I agree with Kody 


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in this situation. 
It's like, let your kids have a 

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 fucking bedroom. 
All I can think of is 14 year 
 

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old me with my tiny little box 
white television that I 
 

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purchased with my own money that
I saved up standing right up 
 

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next to the speaker on top. 
It was on top of my dresser 
 

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watching talk sex with Sue at 
midnight on the quietest volume 

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 and listening with my ear up to
the speaker. 
 

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I couldn't have done that if I 
was sharing A room. 
 

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I couldn't have watched dark 
Sexist soup and Oxygen after 
 

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dark with a sister sleeping in 
my room. 
 

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It's part of growing up. 
Weird shit like that, come on. 


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Yeah. 
And if you do share that with 
 

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your siblings, that does change 
a person, I think. 
 

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I mean, we're going to find out 
later on that maybe a couple of 

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 these other polyglas, I, I 
don't. 
 

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Know yeah maybe they were 
watching so they. 
 

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Were watching together the 
equivalent, she was around a 
 

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long time before I ever started 
watching it and it would even 
 

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say on the bottom this is a 
rerun, do not call in when it 
 

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would put her number up. 
Maybe they did, who knows? 
 

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Robyn would like the hobby room 
and a fifth bedroom because 
 

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maybe she'll have more kids. 
Ellipsis dot dot dot. 
 

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She is the only one that brings 
up that she wants the extra 
 

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bedroom for a potential child. 
She is the only one that's going

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 to have a potential child 
other than Meri, but right. 
 

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I mean like. 
Christine like we're being 
 

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honest with ourselves. 
Like Christine and Janelle, like

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 it has not been brought up. 
Like I think maybe at the 
 

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beginning of the show, like the 
first season, they both said, 
 

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like maybe after Christine had 
little truly scrumptious, she 
 

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might have said something like, 
I think I'm done. 
 

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Actually, I think that after 
Saul was born, she did have. 
 

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I think she's brought it up that
she knows she's done. 
 

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After that. 
I do remember her saying that 
 

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she is done, that she doesn't 
want anymore, which is why it 
 

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was even more of a slap in the 
face the way that Kody treated 


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her during the end of her 
pregnancy and delivery. 
 

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But you know. 
Well, and when Robyn says this 


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about maybe having more kids, of
course the producers give us 
 

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this wonderful two shot of her 
and Meri in the same frame and 


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there's like, you know, leave. 
It in. 
 

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Leave it in, motherfucker. 
And there was like this long, 
 

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drawn out like moment where it's
like, OK, yes, we get it. 
 

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We're still talking about Meri's
fertility. 
 

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Oh my God. 
But luckily we don't get into 
 

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that. 
Thank God. 
 

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They just move on. 
And Meri is the 4th and final 
 

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wife, even though she's the 
first wife for Kody's house 
 

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tour. 
House tour? 
 

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I know there's a song about that
these days, but I'm too old to 


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know the words. 
And what is the first thing that

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 she says? 
Wet bar I want. 
 

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My wet bar. 
I want my wet bar. 
 

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She wants that wet bar. 
That's her dream. 
 

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If it's under 8K because that's 
what's left in her budget. 
 

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And then she asked a joke about 
wanting to add a tennis court 
 

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for Leon. 
Right. 
 

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While they're discussing this, 
he says there's something about 

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 like, well, if as long as it's 
under 8K, then it should be OK. 

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And then she's like, well, a 

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tennis court for Leon. 
 
And he think I think he cracked 

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a joke about it being like 
 
45,000 or one of them did. 

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And it's just like, Oh my God, 

like if only Meri was a little 

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bit funnier because like if. 
 
She I didn't know she was joking

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right away and I literally 
 
looked at Chris and I said if 

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this bitch thinks she's getting 
 a tennis court for like 

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whatever 8K she might have 
leftover, 
 which it doesn't 

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sound like she is if she gets 
the wet bar 
 right. 

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Get out of town with this shit. 
 

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That's where I'm like, if she 
was funnier it could have 
 

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worked, but she's not funny 
enough. 
 

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So it just seemed like she was 
legitimately suggesting it. 
 

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And then there was like, 
obviously I'm kidding. 
 

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And it's like, Meri, nobody 
knows you're kidding because 
 

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you're fucking weird. 
Yeah, get all the other kids out

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 there to pack down some clay 
and dirt with some wood boards. 

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Just pack it down, get your kids

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to work, and then you can have 

your fucking tennis court for 

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Leon. 
 
And like, that's even a real 

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thing. 
 
It's so ridiculous. 

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It's almost as ridiculous as her

 face in these episodes. 

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Distracting, so distracting. 
 
Every time they do a close up 

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I'm like oh God Meri. 
 
The bad spray tan is still in 

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full swing. 
 
Oh yeah, full swing. 

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She must have gotten it for this

 trip because they're going to 

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their. 
 
For their for their upcoming 

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trip. 
 
And then we get this 

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introduction to America's second

 favorite polygamist family. 

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It was kind of odd because I 
 
don't like sometimes how they 

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edit it where they give us some 
 things but not enough things. 

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So then you're like, OK, like 
 
what's happening? 

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And then I think they think it's

 clever storytelling when 

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really I'm like, oh God, what is

 happening? 

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They start talking about there's

 how there's 23 people in the 

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Brown family and that there's 27

 for this other family that 

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we're going on a plague vacation
with 
 a polygamist vacation. 50

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total. 50 people that are going 
to be 
 on this plague vacation,

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which means a vacation of 
polygamists. 
 

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God, Meri thinks she's so funny.
And it only gets worse. 
 

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Like these days. 
It's terrible. 
 

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I want to know if when Meri got 
into the spray tan booth if it 


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said like medium to light, 
medium to dark cultural 
 

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appropriation and she just 
turned it all the way fucking up

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 because pretty sure, pretty 
sure. 
 

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Well maybe she knew that we 
would be re watching and 
 

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recording this episode and 
releasing it on May 5th. 
 

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And so she went. 
I'm going South of the border 
 

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for this episode. 
She knew that we'd be reviewing 

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 this on Cinco de Mayo. 
You're right. 
 

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Yeah, she knew. 
Because as as I have told you 
 

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before, I have astral projected 
into their past. 
 

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Oh yes, that's right. 
Into their past I. 
 

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Think you're going to say into 
Meri Cenote but no into their 
 

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past? 
And I have said while I did 
 

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check that out too and let me 
tell you issues. 
 

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Cavernous. 
Cavernous, not an egg. 
 

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Insight all. 
Right. 
 

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No eggs. 
Kody hasn't been here in years. 

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Hello, hello, hello. 

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I got to say I have gone back 
 
and I did let her know. 

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We're going to be talking about 
 you on Cinco de Mayo, Girl. 

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Yeah, and it was. 
 
Get festive. 

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It was a time where, you know, 

people didn't think, people 

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didn't think like they do now, 

right? 

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Unfortunately for her, I didn't 
 warn her about cancel culture, 

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Right? 
 
So sorry about that, Meri. 

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I'm so sorry. 
 
Sorry, Meri. 

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So sorry, I did you wrong. 
 
I did you dirty, girl. 

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I'm wondering if this is the 
 
most inappropriate thing she 

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could be cancelled for in the 
 
show. 

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I think mostly people just want 
 to cancel her for other reasons

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that aren't appropriation. 
 
So there's, there's a lot of 

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Cancel Meri out there. 
 
I'm the president of the Cancel 

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Meri fan club. 
 
Oh. 

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Boy. 
 
So these 27 other people going 

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on this polygamous family trip, 
 this plague vacation, they're 

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called the Dargers, DAR Gers. 
 
Not the Duggars, the Dargers. 

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So throughout the episode, I 
 
want to make that very clear 

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because the pronunciation of 
 
these people with that last name

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was questionable. 
 
And I had to wait for it to come

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across the screen to spell it 
 
out to be like, OK, they are not

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related whatsoever to the 
 
daggers. 

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Well, we don't know that. 
 
We don't know that, yeah, but it

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is the Dargers. 
 
And yeah, unfortunately it took 

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a minute to know what their last

 name was, even though they 

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said it many times because of 
that 
 Utah accent. 

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We learn about their family. 
 
They kind of go straight over to

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the family on the couch. 
 
The adults after this we're 

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going on a plague vacation 
 
announcement is like weirdly 

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made just by talking about the 

amount of people going on the 

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vacation. 
 
We're going on a plague 

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vacation. 
 
So we learn about this other 

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family and they're 23 kids. 
 
First we've got Alina, wife 

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number one wife #2 is Vicki. 
 
And then ten years later, we get

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Val, and the kick in the shins 

here is that Val is Vicki's twin

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sister. 
 
Well, they're all married to 

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Joe. 
 
Joe. 

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Patriarch of the family. 
 
And so he's our. 

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The shock of the twin sisters. 

I totally forgot to introduce 

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Joe, My bad. 
 
Joe is like our counter to Kody.

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He's the the man of the house, 

the the father of the family. 

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And yeah, Alina and Vicki, they 
 do introduce Alina as wife 

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number one and Vicki as wife 
 
number two. 

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However, we learned that they 
 
got married at the same time. 

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Yeah. 
 
So I don't know how one's one 

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and one's two. 
 
Maybe whoever's cavern is the 

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smallest? 
 
I don't really know. 

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I think it's how the dads 
 
approved the marriage because 

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they go into the approval of the

 courtship for each of the 

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women and I think it's the order
that 
 their fathers handed 

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their daughters over 
consensually. 
 

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Consensually handed their 
daughters. 
 

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I don't know, Joe. 
Yeah. 
 

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So Alina and Vicki get married 
first to Joe at the same time, 


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and then ten years later Valerie
who is Alina's sister or Vicki's

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 sister. 
See this. 
 

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Vicki's sister. 
Vicki's sister, OK. 
 

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So Alina and Vicki were raised 
in plural lifestyles. 
 

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So we go into this story of 
these two women first and how 
 

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they met Joe, Alina, and Vicki. 
They talk about being raised in 

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 the plural life and how this 
was not odd for them and that 

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Joe's 
 mom knew that they both 
liked him and went and spoke to 

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them 
 each and said that they 
should pursue him together. 
 

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Right. 
So Joe's mom went and spoke with

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 these two women that were both
pursuing her son and was like, 


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well, we could kill two birds 
with one stone here with my son 

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 and I'm going to encourage 
these two women to go and marry 

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him. 
 
Two clams on a surfboard? 

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Yes, surf and turf. 
 
Surf and Turf Joe talks a lot 

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about how courtship is for the 

intention of getting married and

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it's very serious. 
 
And that this proposition of 

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these two ladies kind of took 
 
him by surprise, even though his

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mom was pulling the strings of 

the puppets. 

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I think he's being very genuine 
 in the fact that he wasn't just

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jumping on this idea right away.

 

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He really wanted to think it 
through and it seemed like a lot

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 to him. 
Yeah, that's true. 
 

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I mean, he didn't. 
It didn't sound like BS when he 

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 was talking. 
I didn't think so. 
 

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I think this entire episode he 
is very forthcoming and like 
 

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Blunt. 
So Vicki's dad said that he was 

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 completely OK with her getting 
married at the same time as 
 

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Alina to Joe. 
But Alina's dad was pissed. 
 

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And it took a little while for 
Alina's dad to approve this. 
 

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And he said to Alina, I'm giving
my permission, not my blessing. 

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So that's why I think it's odd 

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that it's like the wife #1 
 
Alina, then Vicki, because 

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Alina's dad was the second. 
 
So I guess it doesn't make 

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sense. 
 
It was the dad's approval. 

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That was the order of the wives.

 

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I have a confession honey. 
I don't know who these women 
 

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are. 
I was confused for most of the 


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episode about who was who and 
who was a twin and who sucked 
 

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his Dick 1st and who sucked his 
Dick second. 
 

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It was a lot for me. 
I mean honeymoon I, I there's so

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 many things about this story 
that's insane. 
 

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And it also doesn't help that 
all these women look similar 
 

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from a distance Slash like for 
me, if you just kind of moved 
 

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them around in order on the 
couch, I would have been like, I

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 didn't know that you changed 
them. 
 

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I I thought that the twins were 
not the twins because I thought 

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 they looked more alike. 
And then you were like, no, the 

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 noses. 
There's two that have some 
 

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beaks. 
Yep. 
 

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And one who has a a. 
Ski Jump. 
 

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Nose Ski. 
Jump nosy. 
 

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And so when I could catch that, 
I could go, oh, sure, yeah. 
 

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And when they were standing, 
there was some height 
 

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differences, but when they were 
on the couch, there were several

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 times where I was like, I 
don't know who is who. 
 

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I could tell the noses and then 
there were times where both 
 

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twins would turn a certain way 
and you'd clock it. 
 

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But I just find the whole 
situation very interesting 
 

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because you got another type of 
group. 
 

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So they're not part of the same 
religious sect, which they did 


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make pretty clear. 
And I I don't know what the 
 

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distinction is. 
A lot of listeners that are deep

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 divers, maybe, you know, 
comment, let us know what you 
 

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know. 
But yeah, it was, it was crazy 


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because you've got Elena's dad 
being super upset and saying, 
 

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well, I guess you have my 
permission, but not my blessing.

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And Elena calling up, you know, 

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Joe right away afterwards, like,

 I can do it, we're going to do

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it. 
 
And I just, part of me thinks, 

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and I do not want to like, 
 
assume anything about anyone's 

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sexuality, but I think that 
 
there was like this friendship 

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that formed between these two 
 
women. 

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And part of me wonders if it was

 more about that than about Joe

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Interesting. 
 
I don't know. 

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I'm not sure that I was picking 
 up that vibe, but I also wasn't

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looking for it. 
 
I was trying to remember who was

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who. 
 
Yeah, Joe talks a lot about how 

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they became best friends after 

his mom kind of was like, oh, 

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maybe you should go pursue them 
 together. 

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And I really don't want to, 
 
like, push any sort of agenda or

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idea on these people. 
 
But, you know, there's a part of

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me that thinks of, like, 
 
lavender marriages. 

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And maybe they were hanging out 
 a lot. 

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And Joe's mom saw it, and in 
 
her. 

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Idiotic mind that's blinded by 

religion. 

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She thought that they both were 
 interested in her son and they 

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weren't. 
 
I don't know. 

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But anyway, I think that these 

two women got along really good 

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to even have gone along with 
 
this from the start, so. 

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Sure, I mean, Joe does reference

 how in their culture of 

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reminder of that they court to 
marry not 
 to date. 

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So that's definitely a big thing

 when discussing their 

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background. 
 
Like he's all about kind of the 

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oh God, whatever the steps are, 
 the protocols of like their 

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courting rituals and blah, blah,

 blah. 

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And he did at one point say 
 
something like, Oh, and I would 

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drive up to where to the house 

and they're both their cars 

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would be there and I would be 
 
all giddy or excited. 

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And it's like. 
 
OK. 

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He was like, I'd be intimidated,

 though, OK, Like, because it 

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was a lot and, like, 
overwhelming 
 two women at once

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instead of just one. 
 
I think that it was like, oh. 

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Yeah, it's hard for me to get 
 
inside Joe's brain. 

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00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,800
Yeah, yeah, he's very a stoic 
 
person. 

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That seems like. 
 
He has a skull, he's got a bald 

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head, A. 
 
Skull it's. 

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Shiny and he definitely is a 
 
rule follower. 

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He's a rule giver. 
 
And they give us an example 

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right off the bat because Joe is

 providing seating assignments 

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for the children for getting in 
 the vans to drive to Vegas. 

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Yeah, he has a straight up 
 
seating chart and he says once 

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they're assigned to a seat, they

 don't argue with me that's 

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where they're sitting. 
 
Yes, it's so great. 

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So this is something, you know, 
 a little foreshadowing as well 

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into the parallels and the 
 
differences between he and Kody 

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is like a theme of this episode.

 

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Before we get into the seating 
assignment bit, there was a 
 

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moment where one of the Dargers 
provided an update saying that 


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they are going to drive to Vegas
and stay with the Browns 
 

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overnight or stay in Vegas 
overnight. 
 

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And then they're going to be 
heading to Southern California, 

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 to Oceanside as this, this 
polygamous vacation, this plague

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 trip. 
Plague trip they keep calling 
 

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it. 
My God, plague vacation. 
 

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So that when they give us this 
example of the seating chart, 
 

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it's a little like, OK, because 
then all of a sudden we're back 

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 to talking about how they got 
married two weeks after he 
 

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proposed. 
At least the first two lesbian 


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sisters. 
I mean, they're not sisters and 

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 they're. 
Not lesbians. 
 

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The two sisters. 
Sisters. 
 

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00:22:29,322 --> 00:22:31,410
No, no, these two aren't 
sisters. 
 

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The Scissor Sisters. 
We got the Scissor Sisters and 


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we got the twin sisters, OK, 
They're separate. 
 

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They're two different sisters, 
but they're all sister wives. 
 

392
00:22:41,408 --> 00:22:43,341
Holy shit. 
We are meeting a lot of sister 


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wives and a lot of sisters and a
lot of things. 
 

394
00:22:45,932 --> 00:22:50,465
Oh, God, a lot of spit being 
exchanged around here. 
 

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Valerie volunteers that she was 
married previously in a plural 


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marriage, but it didn't work 
out. 
 

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I always, I don't know, get to 
do a little skins chin scratch 


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when it comes to. 
Scratch little. 
 

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00:23:06,098 --> 00:23:10,460
Skin scratch when it comes to 
being previously married in a 
 

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plural marriage with no details 
given, right? 
 

401
00:23:13,262 --> 00:23:16,555
Was there many wives? 
Was there just one other wife? 


402
00:23:16,563 --> 00:23:18,269
Was it like an abusive 
relationship? 
 

403
00:23:18,277 --> 00:23:21,988
Was it Scissor Sisters where the
blades got very dull? 
 

404
00:23:21,996 --> 00:23:26,720
You know what was happening. 
Yeah, she doesn't obviously give

405
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,260

 us any juicy details there. 
Unlike Robyn, who's like, he was

406
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 terrible and it was horrible 
and I had to leave him. 
 

407
00:23:33,523 --> 00:23:36,025
Like she's just like I was in a 
previous plural marriage. 
 

408
00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:39,640
For 11 1/2 years though. 
Yeah, for a hollow. 
 

409
00:23:39,648 --> 00:23:42,772
It wasn't just like she tried. 
It didn't work. 
 

410
00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:47,132
No, she had kids with this other
person and it was 11 1/2 years, 

411
00:23:47,132 --> 00:23:49,700
 and she was only divorced for 
one year. 
 

412
00:23:49,708 --> 00:23:52,698
Yeah, before coming to visit her
sister Vicki. 
 

413
00:23:52,706 --> 00:23:55,960
Yeah, for less than a year and 
she comes to visit. 
 

414
00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:58,139
Yeah. 
And when Joe is talking about 
 

415
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this visit, I was like, what in 
the world at first? 
 

416
00:24:01,528 --> 00:24:04,264
Because he's like, it's like, I 
had never seen her. 
 

417
00:24:04,272 --> 00:24:06,503
And I was like, it's her fucking
twin. 
 

418
00:24:06,511 --> 00:24:09,005
Like obviously you have seen her
before. 
 

419
00:24:09,013 --> 00:24:11,064
I think he just means, like, in 
a sexual way. 
 

420
00:24:11,072 --> 00:24:13,288
Like, I'd never looked at her in
a sexual way. 
 

421
00:24:13,296 --> 00:24:17,420
I'd never thought of her or seen
her as anything other than my 
 

422
00:24:17,428 --> 00:24:22,304
wife's sister. 
And then on this trip, that 
 

423
00:24:22,312 --> 00:24:27,228
lightning struck, struck him 
straight in the chest. 
 

424
00:24:27,236 --> 00:24:29,707
Lightning strikes so many of 
these fucking polygamists. 
 

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It was like his half beating 
heart was finally fully a thump 

426
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:36,120
 thump thump in a way. 
Which means his first two wives 

427
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 were only 1/4 of his heart. 
Like it's just sad. 
 

428
00:24:38,568 --> 00:24:41,789
This math is sad. 
It was lost on me at first. 
 

429
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So I was like, he had never seen
her before. 
 

430
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,710
And then it's like, Oh no, he 
had never seen her before. 
 

431
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He realized that maybe she could
be the one that sharpens those 


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wives. 
Sister scissors. 
 

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00:24:51,668 --> 00:24:57,270
Vicki said that she saw her 
sister and Joe look at each 
 

434
00:24:57,278 --> 00:25:02,200
other and like the look was just
different and she knew right 
 

435
00:25:02,208 --> 00:25:05,070
away that they would eventually 
be married. 
 

436
00:25:05,078 --> 00:25:08,054
She could smell where that 
lightning struck. 
 

437
00:25:08,062 --> 00:25:11,080
It was like sulfur. 
She could smell what they were 


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00:25:11,088 --> 00:25:13,320
all about to be stepping in. 
Valerie talked and all. 
 

439
00:25:13,328 --> 00:25:16,828
She could smell the sulfur. 
She was. 
 

440
00:25:16,836 --> 00:25:20,520
Like it's not Valerie's 
halitosis, it's the lightning. 


441
00:25:20,528 --> 00:25:24,485
Oh my God, God. 
Excuse. 
 

442
00:25:24,493 --> 00:25:26,848
Me and Joe says, you know, we 
prayed about it. 
 

443
00:25:26,856 --> 00:25:30,029
We prayed about it, and then we 
determined that Valerie should 


444
00:25:30,037 --> 00:25:36,475
marry her sister. 
I mean me, it's just so weird 
 

445
00:25:36,483 --> 00:25:38,648
and. 
Incestuous feeling. 
 

446
00:25:38,656 --> 00:25:42,255
It is incestuous. 
It's literally the definition of

447
00:25:42,255 --> 00:25:44,464

 incestuous, I think. 
Well, OK, not really. 
 

448
00:25:44,472 --> 00:25:48,034
It's not a brother and a. 
Sister but sex with each other, 

449
00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:51,268
 but are they not having sex 
with each other? 
 

450
00:25:51,276 --> 00:25:55,880
They're bunker, bunker buddies, 
or what do you call it, A tunnel

451
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,600

 buddies? 
I don't know if they talked 
 

452
00:25:57,608 --> 00:25:59,416
about if they share bedrooms in 
this episode. 
 

453
00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:01,544
They did not. 
They share a kitchen. 
 

454
00:26:01,552 --> 00:26:04,120
We find out for sure, but. 
Definitely share a kitchen, but 

455
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,879
 do they share a bedroom? 
They skipped over that detail. 


456
00:26:06,887 --> 00:26:11,082
Oh my God, what do they call 
that when you are like, oh, 
 

457
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:16,028
we've been with the same guy? 
They have like a term for it. 
 

458
00:26:16,036 --> 00:26:18,692
Women do. 
US women, US ladies. 
 

459
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:22,627
I can't even think of it right 
now. 
 

460
00:26:22,635 --> 00:26:26,172
I know because I'm going. 
If it's the other way, it's 
 

461
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:29,014
usually sloppy seconds, but that
could that's kind of gender 
 

462
00:26:29,022 --> 00:26:29,490
neutral. 
Why? 
 

463
00:26:29,498 --> 00:26:33,008
I want to say bunker buddies but
that's 1000% not it. 
 

464
00:26:33,016 --> 00:26:33,947
OK. 
It's. 
 

465
00:26:33,955 --> 00:26:37,182
Not it. 
Yeah, I don't know what it means

466
00:26:37,182 --> 00:26:39,240

 when you both are slobbing on 
the same knob. 
 

467
00:26:39,248 --> 00:26:40,526
Tunnel Buddies. 
Tunnel Buddies. 
 

468
00:26:40,534 --> 00:26:44,050
No, that's what you think 2 guys
call if they've been with the 
 

469
00:26:44,058 --> 00:26:46,144
same girl. 
I feel like I don't know any of 

470
00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:47,780
 these things. 
Oh my gosh, maybe it's. 
 

471
00:26:47,788 --> 00:26:51,255
Because I'm a pure gay man. 
Well, you would. 
 

472
00:26:51,263 --> 00:26:55,623
Yeah, very pure, touched by an. 
Angel I'm just going to shout it

473
00:26:55,623 --> 00:26:59,020

 out later in the episode if I 
remember if all of a. 
 

474
00:26:59,028 --> 00:27:02,556
Sudden you're like, you know 
what it's about. 
 

475
00:27:02,564 --> 00:27:05,740
One eyed snake whisperers. 
Charmers. 
 

476
00:27:05,748 --> 00:27:09,140
No. 
Snake Whisperers. 
 

477
00:27:09,148 --> 00:27:14,040
Oh God. 
Then the brown adults are 
 

478
00:27:14,048 --> 00:27:17,840
talking about being sisters and 
sister wives and the 
 

479
00:27:17,848 --> 00:27:20,940
complications involved in that. 
Like they're having this couch 


480
00:27:20,948 --> 00:27:23,638
moment of like I remember there 
was 1 moment where Christine 
 

481
00:27:23,646 --> 00:27:26,636
said something like if my sister
married Kody and was my sister 


482
00:27:26,644 --> 00:27:30,340
wife, that would open up a whole
nother box of complications. 
 

483
00:27:30,348 --> 00:27:34,710
And I'm like bitch, duh. 
But I'm glad they gave us the 
 

484
00:27:34,718 --> 00:27:37,465
obvious because, you know, this 
is Sister Wives, so they have to

485
00:27:37,465 --> 00:27:40,546

 tell us things like that. 
Yeah, but part of me thinks that

486
00:27:40,546 --> 00:27:44,240

 she's not too far removed from
family members, being with other

487
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,932

 family members. 
So this isn't all that new to 
 

488
00:27:46,940 --> 00:27:48,760
her and that's why she says 
this. 
 

489
00:27:48,768 --> 00:27:50,418
She's like, this is normal 
conference. 
 

490
00:27:50,426 --> 00:27:54,601
She's like, well we've gotten a 
little bit away from this by now

491
00:27:54,601 --> 00:27:59,498

 so I just can't even imagine. 
2 generations ago, sure, but not

492
00:27:59,498 --> 00:28:02,225

 this generation. 
We're a modern polygamous family

493
00:28:02,225 --> 00:28:04,858

 living in Vegas. 
Like, OK, all right. 
 

494
00:28:04,866 --> 00:28:07,285
Oh my gosh. 
Yeah, Meri says something about 

495
00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:10,582
 Hopefully by the end of the 
weekend we'll be able to tell 
 

496
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:13,955
Alina and Valerie apart, which I
love because I'm like, girl, I 


497
00:28:13,963 --> 00:28:15,420
couldn't. 
I was just. 
 

498
00:28:15,428 --> 00:28:16,855
Valerie and Vicky. 
Valerie. 
 

499
00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:18,858
See, I didn't even say the names
right. 
 

500
00:28:18,866 --> 00:28:20,880
I don't think they even ever 
call her Valerie. 
 

501
00:28:20,888 --> 00:28:23,820
It's Val and Vicky. 
Val Well, I know it's Valerie. 


502
00:28:23,828 --> 00:28:26,285
I know Valerie because that was 
how she was introduced. 
 

503
00:28:26,293 --> 00:28:28,316
But they call her Val. 
That's fine. 
 

504
00:28:28,324 --> 00:28:31,468
Val Well, Val and Vick or Val 
and Al? 
 

505
00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:34,755
We're probably both completely 
wrong and actually Joel was a 
 

506
00:28:34,763 --> 00:28:36,896
twin. 
Sister Valerie, Vic, Vicki, 
 

507
00:28:36,904 --> 00:28:42,236
There's a lot of names and a lot
of faces and I don't know any of

508
00:28:42,236 --> 00:28:43,424

 them. 
Well, one of us is going to be 


509
00:28:43,432 --> 00:28:45,548
wrong and we're going to get 
called out for it. 
 

510
00:28:45,556 --> 00:28:48,772
Yes, please. 
Shame me, shame me in the 
 

511
00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:51,418
synagogue for being so wrong 
about this. 
 

512
00:28:51,426 --> 00:28:54,680
But I'm actually not ashamed 
because Oh my God, these women. 

513
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,600
 
It was confusing and they didn't

514
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,680
show their names every time that

 they spoke. 

515
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,640
They need they. 
 
Showed it like one time. 

516
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680
If anything, this is when they 

needed that bottom third like 

517
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,062
the entire episode because it's 
 like there's 27 members of 

518
00:29:08,062 --> 00:29:11,019
their family and then they're 
like 
 randomly would show a 

519
00:29:11,019 --> 00:29:14,057
name but it was like oh we 
needed this 
 like 5 times more 

520
00:29:14,057 --> 00:29:17,040
regularly. 
Yeah, so we get to Meri's house 

521
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,292
 and the Dargers have shown up 
and the two families are getting

522
00:29:21,292 --> 00:29:25,180

 together at Meri's to have 
dinner and they're joking about 

523
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:29,106
 how they're not going to 
remember each other's kids names

524
00:29:29,106 --> 00:29:32,415

 because there's just too many 
of them to remember. 
 

525
00:29:32,423 --> 00:29:36,264
And it's funny because both, you
know, couples are joking with 
 

526
00:29:36,272 --> 00:29:40,205
each other about it. 
They're debating on when to 
 

527
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:45,342
leave and like, Kody and the 
Brown wives are just going back 

528
00:29:45,342 --> 00:29:48,480
 and forth on what time they 
should leave. 
 

529
00:29:48,488 --> 00:29:51,991
And it's obvious of the Dargers 
are way more organized. 
 

530
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:55,672
And this is when it comes up 
where Joe is like, please just 


531
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,568
do not tell me to be here at 9 
and have us leave at 10 because 

532
00:30:00,568 --> 00:30:03,680
 I'll be annoyed, right? 
And I don't blame him. 
 

533
00:30:03,688 --> 00:30:06,900
It's funny because it's not 
something that maybe you would 


534
00:30:06,908 --> 00:30:10,820
normally qualify out of nowhere.
They have been family friends 
 

535
00:30:10,828 --> 00:30:13,506
for four years. 
They referenced earlier in the 


536
00:30:13,514 --> 00:30:15,810
episode, so they are aware of 
each other. 
 

537
00:30:15,818 --> 00:30:18,956
I don't know that they spent, 
you know, every holiday 
 

538
00:30:18,964 --> 00:30:22,980
together, but he probably knows 
their skis like he knows their, 

539
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:26,332
 and not like downhill skis like
their skis like he knows their 


540
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:28,390
doesn't. 
Know Meri, skis, because she 
 

541
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:30,405
doesn't Meri. 
Doesn't know her own skis. 
 

542
00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:34,032
Oh my God. 
Bye pizza. 
 

543
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,275
Oh God, Meri, Meri was like, oh,
I've got that knee brace. 
 

544
00:30:39,283 --> 00:30:44,400
Got to put that back on. 
But I love this whole, I mean, 


545
00:30:44,408 --> 00:30:46,765
it is true for me. 
It would be frustrating if 
 

546
00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:49,084
someone was like, hey, show up 
at 9:00 and we'll hit the road. 

547
00:30:49,084 --> 00:30:50,080
 
And if they were still getting 

548
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,680
their shit together at 10, I 
 
would be tapping my foot looking

549
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,360
annoyed and I would be staring 

at them being like, are you 

550
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,480
done? 
 
You have. 23 fucking kids with 

551
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,000
you and you're waiting for an 
 
hour and you've organized your 

552
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,040
caravan and you're like, we're 

ready to convoy and you show up 

553
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
with your caravan in tow and all

 in check. 

554
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Like this guy who was like 
 
acting like he's in the military

555
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,720
and the Browns are a shit show 

and he knows it. 

556
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Yes. 
 
And I was like, the Browns can 

557
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,040
never be ready and they're never

 out the door on time. 

558
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,960
They are tragic. 
 
Definitely. 

559
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320
There's a couch moment before we

 come back to them all getting 

560
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,480
together where they're talking 

about this kind of comment from 

561
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760
Joe. 
 
And Meri says, well, I could 

562
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,680
marry a man like that. 
 
And Kody gets up and walks out 

563
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,600
of the confessional as like a 
 
humorous moment because he's 

564
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160
like, you know, they're all kind

 of joking about how, oh, it'd 

565
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,280
be, you know, with a man that's 
 like that or whatever. 

566
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,120
And Meri, oh, I can marry a man 
 like that. 

567
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,920
And he just gets up and walks 
 
out. 

568
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
And it's pretty funny. 
 
They all laugh. 

569
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty 
 
obvious that Meri would probably

570
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,640
do better in an organized 
 
situation like this. 

571
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,720
We get to the next morning and 

they are all packing up their 

572
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,280
vans and getting ready to go. 
 
Janelle is hoping that Joe is 

573
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,880
not going to be mad because 
 
she's worried that they're 

574
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,040
running behind. 
 
And she makes that comment about

575
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,560
making fun of him. 
 
Yeah, where she's. 

576
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,000
I don't remember exactly what 
 
she said. 

577
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Well, Janelle and Meri kind of 

joke and repeat what he says, 

578
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,320
and Janelle rolls her eyes and 

she goes and kind of says it in 

579
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,280
like a mocking voice like better

 not be running late blah blah 

580
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,040
blah. 
 
I couldn't be with someone like 

581
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680
that. 
 
And she rolls her eyes, but 

582
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,800
they're all packing up and just 
 kind of crossing their fingers 

583
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,800
that it works out. 
 
Because that's what they do. 

584
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,680
They don't come up with seating 
 charts. 

585
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,200
They just cross their fingers 
 
and help. 

586
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Let's get our family of over 20 
 in these vehicles and hit the 

587
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400
road without a plan. 
 
That's so the Browns. 

588
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,120
Well, then these amazing 
 
producers don't give us much 

589
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,680
else here except we Joe saying 

that I didn't expect us to be 

590
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,680
leaving on time. 
 
And so I guess that's hinting 

591
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,800
that they left on time, which 
 
would be around 10 AM and that's

592
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,320
it. 
 
At least Joe didn't have to 

593
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,160
throw a fit or, you know, beat 

anyone in front of the cameras. 

594
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480
That would have been, you know, 
 that would have been something.

595
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,680
He is pretty muscular. 
 
Listen, I, I was going to say 

596
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,244
there's some circumstances where

 I would take the beating and 

597
00:33:21,244 --> 00:33:22,372
I'd be happy about the beating. 
 

598
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:25,330
And then there'd be other times 
where I'd be like, this is not 


599
00:33:25,338 --> 00:33:27,887
right. 
This ain't right. 
 

600
00:33:27,895 --> 00:33:30,880
Ready on time, honey? 
Stop beating me. 
 

601
00:33:30,888 --> 00:33:33,463
Get your hands off. 
But then other times it might be

602
00:33:33,463 --> 00:33:35,507

 late on purpose to be like, I 
don't know, I guess I might 
 

603
00:33:35,515 --> 00:33:41,308
deserve a beating. 
Drag me to the car by my heels. 

604
00:33:41,308 --> 00:33:43,520
 
Oh God, we're terrible. 

605
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,040
I don't know who is driving the 
 white car, but as they're 

606
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,360
pulling up to the rental homes, 
 Kody's like yelling at one of 

607
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,480
the people driving one of the 
 
cars, like learn how to drive. 

608
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,040
And I think it's like his own 
 
kid. 

609
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
It is funny because all of a 
 
sudden we just arrive at 

610
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Oceanside, CA like we're from 
 
Vegas to Oceanside now. 

611
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,880
The quickest you're going to 
 
drive from LA area to Vegas is 

612
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,040
probably like 5:00-ish hours. 
 
So they probably had like a full

613
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
day because the Browns also 
 
can't get anywhere quickly. 

614
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,199
So they probably it was probably

 like a 7-8 hour drive. 

615
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,239
I. 
 
Mean think of all the potty 

616
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,280
breaks with the little kids. 
 
They did. 

617
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280
And like Kody, they don't plan 

anything, right? 

618
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,840
So I'm sure by the time they got

 there, Joe was like, we should

619
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,480
have only stopped twice or 
 
something, you know? 

620
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,659
We had to stop this many times. 
 

621
00:34:31,668 --> 00:34:35,356
You guys didn't have a toilet in
your car like we did with the 
 

622
00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:38,940
flip out toilet? 
He's like a pain in the van. 
 

623
00:34:38,947 --> 00:34:42,472
So they arrive at these 
oceanfront homes at Oceanside 
 

624
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,020
and it is funny because the 
others like parking the blah 
 

625
00:34:47,027 --> 00:34:49,645
blah blah, some reference to 
who's saying and what house, 
 

626
00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:51,704
blah blah blah. 
I didn't care about any of that,

627
00:34:51,704 --> 00:34:55,110

 but it was fun to watch Kody 
try to help Meri Park in the 

628
00:34:55,110 --> 00:34:55,719
garage. 
 
Because. 

629
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,240
She's like backing up and he's 

like, you got 3 feet and he's 

630
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,240
like stop. 
 
And it's like, Oh my God. 

631
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,400
He like yells so loud and it's 

just such an attention seeking 

632
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,902
thing that he didn't need to do.

 

633
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:10,800
And I, I literally was like, 
yeah, that was an unnecessary 
 

634
00:35:10,808 --> 00:35:13,120
one of his attention seeking 
yells. 
 

635
00:35:13,128 --> 00:35:16,392
Yeah, Very strange. 
Just very Kody. 
 

636
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,665
Very Kody. 
Yeah. 
 

637
00:35:17,673 --> 00:35:21,158
And I think next we're just in 
the houses talking about where 


638
00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:23,610
people are going to go, blah, 
blah, blah. 
 

639
00:35:23,618 --> 00:35:28,260
And they let us know that Joe 
had floor plans printed out with

640
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:31,147

 assigned rooms. 
And I was like, God, I love this

641
00:35:31,147 --> 00:35:34,012

 man. 
See, maybe I wonder if Joe wants

642
00:35:34,012 --> 00:35:38,375

 to have another wife. 
But I love a good floor plan. 
 

643
00:35:38,383 --> 00:35:41,582
I love a good planner. 
I love a person who would print 

644
00:35:41,582 --> 00:35:43,865
 a floor plan and assign rooms 
to that many people. 
 

645
00:35:43,873 --> 00:35:46,648
I'm not mad about it. 
I think in a situation like 
 

646
00:35:46,656 --> 00:35:50,459
this, you have to treat it like 
you're running a summer camp. 
 

647
00:35:50,467 --> 00:35:54,374
And I don't know why the Browns 
don't do this. 
 

648
00:35:54,382 --> 00:35:56,446
I don't know why Janelle doesn't
do this. 
 

649
00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:59,085
I think because there's this 
facade that she's organized, but

650
00:35:59,085 --> 00:36:02,280

 it's not true. 
And then I think Meri's a little

651
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,690

 too scared to pull the trigger
on things like that because 
 

652
00:36:05,698 --> 00:36:08,270
she's been yelled at before for 
doing it. 
 

653
00:36:08,278 --> 00:36:12,369
So I think everyone's a little 
like, we don't want to make the 

654
00:36:12,369 --> 00:36:15,862
 decision, but we want someone 
do, and then no one does. 
 

655
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,928
So they go back and forth and 
back and forth until they're all

656
00:36:18,928 --> 00:36:20,407

 blue in the face and they pass
out. 
 

657
00:36:20,415 --> 00:36:23,095
And then that's just where 
they're sleeping for the night. 

658
00:36:23,095 --> 00:36:25,320
 
Whereas Joe had the entire home 

659
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960
layout up and was assigning 
 
spots for everyone pass out. 

660
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:31,560
Smart man. 
 
Here's your designated pass out 

661
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,480
spot. 
 
Yes. 

662
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,100
We don't drink, but you can hold

 your breath, make yourself 

663
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,560
dizzy until you feel like you're
drunk 
 and then pass out. 

664
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,240
That sounds nice. 
 
All the wives are talking about 

665
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,360
the efficiency. 
 
There's several references to 

666
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,640
how it must be nice. 
 
And how old is Matt? 

667
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,840
It's like, right. 
 
Yeah. 

668
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Like, once again, just make a 
 
plan. 

669
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,000
I mean, there is something about

 their dynamic with power 

670
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,160
struggles, different things that

 have happened throughout the 

671
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,840
years, where it does seem like 

Kody wants to be the one making 

672
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,880
decisions, but it's terrible at 
 it. 

673
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,560
And none of the wives want to 
 
step up because they're being 

674
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,240
sensitive to each other. 
 
They they've been beat. 

675
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,080
I got to say, stop saying in 
 
this episode they have been put 

676
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080
in their place too many times. 

So they are not going to do that

677
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,360
probably amongst each other. 
 
And so, yeah, I don't know. 

678
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,680
It's just weird that they have 

this kind of like affinity for 

679
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
the way that Joe does things, 
 
but then none of them do it. 

680
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
And Kody does even make a joke 

about how, like, Joe is the one 

681
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,760
that makes the decisions in his 
 family. 

682
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,680
And I, I'm not the one that 
 
makes the decisions in this 

683
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,720
family. 
 
My wives do. 

684
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,000
And it's like nobody's making 
 
decisions. 

685
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,600
Yeah, Joe leads and people 
 
listen, Kody says. 

686
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,503
And then he says that all of his

 wives lead and have an 

687
00:37:48,503 --> 00:37:53,200
opinion, and then it like goes 
off the 
 rails from there. 

688
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,360
I have to say with the way that 
 Joe leads his family, I would 

689
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160
liken it to like, if let's say 

you were going whitewater 

690
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,240
rafting and you have a guide and

 the guide is like, OK, this is

691
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,160
what we're going to do to stay 

safe today. 

692
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,080
And I'm going to get you through

 the Rapids. 

693
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480
And when I say put yours here, 

we do this. 

694
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,600
And you know, and he was like 
 
leading, leading the trail. 

695
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,520
You felt safe. 
 
Whitewater rafting can be 

696
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,680
dangerous. 
 
Now, if that same guide was like

697
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,960
wavering on every decision and 

like, well, I don't know. 

698
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
What do you guys want to do? 
 
Do you feel safe doing this? 

699
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,120
Because if you do, I guess we'll

 do it. 

700
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,339
And if you don't, then we won't.

 

701
00:38:33,347 --> 00:38:36,715
You would feel so unsafe and 
everyone would feel frantic all 

702
00:38:36,715 --> 00:38:40,236
 the time and the kids would 
start feeling frantic and it 
 

703
00:38:40,244 --> 00:38:42,406
trickles down throughout the 
entire family. 
 

704
00:38:42,414 --> 00:38:47,346
And you've got Joe, who is like 
being a leader and stepping up 


705
00:38:47,354 --> 00:38:50,934
and making his family feel 
secure by just making the 
 

706
00:38:50,942 --> 00:38:54,125
decision. 
And then you've got this 
 

707
00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:56,988
wavering leader who's like 
leading the Boy Scouts. 
 

708
00:38:56,996 --> 00:39:01,467
It's like you got an arm like a 
head of an army and a Boy Scout 

709
00:39:01,467 --> 00:39:04,240
 leader. 
And it's just you're comparing. 

710
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:04,640
 
Apples. 

711
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,200
And that's quite a compliment 
 
for Kody. 

712
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040
I don't think that he could even

 lead a Boy Scout. 

713
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Probably not. 
 
They just keep comparing the the

714
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,520
husbands and the wives like over

 and over again throughout this

715
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,080
entire episode. 
 
And so that was my like visual 

716
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,760
as I was like seeing all of 
 
this. 

717
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,480
I also think that Joe doesn't 
 
come across as like a 

718
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,440
authoritarian to me or like 
 
there was some hinting of like, 

719
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,360
you know, he's and there's some 
 references to it later, like, 

720
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,040
you know, he's a pile driver, 
 
he's a whatever. 

721
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
But really it's like you just 
 
have to be in that kind of 

722
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,960
environment. 
 
Otherwise you're going to have 

723
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,920
fucking brown family chaos. 
 
Someone has to be taking the 

724
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,440
lead. 
 
And of the examples we saw, I 

725
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,160
didn't think he seemed out of 
 
line or too brash or anything. 

726
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920
He was just literally trying to 
 like, lead the family. 

727
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,600
I think it would have been 
 
really hard to hide if he had 

728
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,520
been like a shitty dad or like 

an actual like wolf in sheep's 

729
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,600
clothing. 
 
I think it would have been 

730
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,880
harder to hide because I, I 
 
honestly think that Kody's 

731
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,880
oldest brother was hiding some 

shit, which is why he was being 

732
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,040
so guarded and quiet. 
 
And this guy is like, no, I just

733
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,360
know who I am. 
 
I know how I lead my family and 

734
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,720
this is how we do things and we 
 plan ahead. 

735
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,000
Then we don't have the chaos. 
 
And I think that all of the 

736
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,040
wives and the Brown family were 
 kind of just blown away by that

737
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,840
and just couldn't even fathom 
 
it. 

738
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,040
And dare I say they were turned 
 on by it? 

739
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,040
I don't know, they maybe we're 

leaving snail trails. 

740
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,760
I was going to say, there's so 

many references to like, oh, 

741
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,680
they were near the ocean. 
 
It was damp, it was moist. 

742
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,880
Someone got spritzed in the face

 a little and it was like, oh. 

743
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,840
Even his kids, like we'll get to

 later, like the son alludes to

744
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,920
the fact that no, like dad's in 
 charge and like we all know it,

745
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,920
but not in a way where it was 
 
like he was scared and felt like

746
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,080
he had to protect his family or 
 like hide something. 

747
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,240
And I know you can't tell all of

 that by an episode of a show, 

748
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:17,440
but that's true. 
 
Frankly, I truly think they were

749
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,880
being very upfront and honest 
 
about who they were. 

750
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,880
So the families go out on their 
 first adventure, which is so 

751
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,880
exciting. 
 
They're going to go to the 

752
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,600
beach. 
 
And it was hard for me to know 

753
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,145
where they were going because I 
 feel like at one point there 

754
00:41:32,145 --> 00:41:34,525
was some Carlsbad Lagoon was 
said. 
 

755
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:38,188
And then you said some sort of 
other title. 
 

756
00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:41,976
All I got was carls like carls 
rental place they. 
 

757
00:41:41,984 --> 00:41:45,154
Were Carls? 
So it was Carlsbad, but then his

758
00:41:45,154 --> 00:41:47,528

 T-shirt, this guy said 
California water sports. 
 

759
00:41:47,536 --> 00:41:51,245
So I'm like like a lot of 
businesses and one little shack.

760
00:41:51,245 --> 00:41:52,880

 
Or it was a rental place. 

761
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,960
Yeah. 
 
They were going to get paddle 

762
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640
boards and surfboards, water 
 
accoutrement to have some fun on

763
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,680
the coast with the like tide 
 
coming in and the sun in the 

764
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,640
sky. 
 
The owner was a douche bag. 

765
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Oh my. 
 
God, Carl. 

766
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,800
Carl. 
 
Was it Carl or when did you just

767
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,280
hear the first part of Carls 
 
bad? 

768
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
I'm just calling him Carl 
 
because it's Carls rental place.

769
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,800
Yeah, OK, I did not catch his 
 
name and it's let's go Carl. 

770
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Carl is a douche bag for sure. 

That's two big families there. 

771
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,040
And then he says some sexist 
 
joke about too many chicks. 

772
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,200
I got enough chicks in my life, 
 yeah. 

773
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,760
He's got a female dog and a 
 
daughter. 

774
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,000
He's like a chick magnet or 
 
something. 

775
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,520
It's like, yeah, like as he was 
 talking, my penis literally 

776
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,960
fell off my body. 
 
It was disturbing. 

777
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,160
I mean, that's all I can say 
 
about it. 

778
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,920
He was like gross, and he 
 
thought he was. 

779
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,480
I don't know if he thought he 
 
was being funny or if he was 

780
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,200
high, but it was like, OK dude. 
 

781
00:42:50,208 --> 00:42:53,498
Yeah, if he was high, it was a 
waste of a high because he was 


782
00:42:53,506 --> 00:42:54,440
not funny. 
It was. 
 

783
00:42:54,448 --> 00:42:56,694
Ridiculous. 
Some sexist joke shit and then 


784
00:42:56,702 --> 00:42:59,470
we moved on. 
Thank God the parents are on the

785
00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:02,140

 couch, the brown parents are 
on the couch and they discuss 

786
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:05,070
how 
 some of the kids could 
date each other from each of the

787
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:06,400
families. 
 
And Christine, make sure to 

788
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,880
clarify, you know, their family 
 dating our family. 

789
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Like, OK, once again we're 
 
avoiding the incest. 

790
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Say it out loud. 
 
Yeah, the darker kids could date

791
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,080
the brown kids. 
 
Like thank you for the 

792
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,760
clarification. 
 
Yeah, Christine says that she 

793
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,800
wouldn't mind. 
 
And this is where they talk 

794
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,360
about how at least some of the 

brown daughters were eyeing some

795
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,280
of the darker boys, and Robyn 
 
has to pipe up and act like she 

796
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,840
fucking knows everything. 
 
And she claims that she heard 

797
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,880
two of the girls. 
 
They're girls saying that they 

798
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,680
should be sister wives with one 
 of the Darger boys that they 

799
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,760
both apparently liked. 
 
Did you believe this story? 

800
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,040
No. 
 
It did not pass my bullshit 

801
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,960
meter, no. 
 
Which was so weird 'cause I was 

802
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,899
like this seems like so strange.

 

803
00:43:56,907 --> 00:44:00,382
The way she said it was exactly 
like one of my girlfriends in 
 

804
00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:01,904
high school lying to her fucking
parents. 
 

805
00:44:01,912 --> 00:44:05,752
I kid you not. 
Wow, the inflection in her voice

806
00:44:05,752 --> 00:44:09,635

 when she said that. 
I looked at you 'cause I was 
 

807
00:44:09,643 --> 00:44:12,675
like, she is fucking lying. 
She's finding that she knows 
 

808
00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:15,568
something here and she does not.
It totally felt like she was 
 

809
00:44:15,576 --> 00:44:17,864
just making it up on the spot 
and then was like, I'm 
 

810
00:44:17,872 --> 00:44:20,096
committing myself to the bit and
it's like, well, why did you 
 

811
00:44:20,104 --> 00:44:22,512
even do this well? 
They tell me everything, Chris. 

812
00:44:22,512 --> 00:44:23,880
 
I'm the cool mom. 

813
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,200
I'm the young mom. 
 
And these young girls, they come

814
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,920
to me with everything. 
 
And you guys didn't hear that? 

815
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Oh, well, I did. 
 
Shut the fuck up, you liar. 

816
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,720
She's such a bitch. 
 
She is because do you think 

817
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:41,280
these innocent girlies, they're 
 girls that are too like, 

818
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,720
embarrassed to probably talk 
 
about a lot of this shit, are 

819
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,960
saying that like nonchalantly 
 
like gossiping in front of Robyn

820
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,560
about marrying the same boy? 
 
Get the fuck out of here. 

821
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,720
My gut is telling me that at the

 most, the adults saw a pattern

822
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,855
of kids checking each other out.

 

823
00:45:00,863 --> 00:45:03,410
You're giving some eyes looking 
at each other. 
 

824
00:45:03,418 --> 00:45:05,667
I think that's probably true. 
Innocently. 
 

825
00:45:05,675 --> 00:45:08,700
Like, yeah. 
Like, I'm a teenage girl and 
 

826
00:45:08,708 --> 00:45:10,626
there's a teenage boy and I'm 
going to watch him, you know, 
 

827
00:45:10,634 --> 00:45:13,270
like, take pick that surfboard 
up and be like, he's got arms, 


828
00:45:13,278 --> 00:45:15,107
like, you know, that kind of 
thing. 
 

829
00:45:15,115 --> 00:45:17,014
Oh, Robyn has to ruin 
everything. 
 

830
00:45:17,022 --> 00:45:21,003
Well, because another thing that
they point out too, and this is 

831
00:45:21,003 --> 00:45:25,845
 a little later on, is about how
the Darger family works out 
 

832
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:29,000
together every day and the Brown
family. 
 

833
00:45:29,008 --> 00:45:33,515
Claims that they do. 
They're a little soft, yeah. 
 

834
00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:37,840
They're a little like me before 
the Ozempic. 
 

835
00:45:37,848 --> 00:45:44,368
I mean, before all of my 
exercise, when I was going to 
 

836
00:45:44,376 --> 00:45:47,344
start the polygamous playground 
or whatever, their gym was going

837
00:45:47,344 --> 00:45:51,950

 to be fundamentalist fitness. 
They're a little bit like me 
 

838
00:45:51,958 --> 00:45:55,614
before my 50 sessions of 
sculpture. 
 

839
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:58,144
Fat freezing. 
Yeah, cool sculpture. 
 

840
00:45:58,152 --> 00:46:00,530
Cool sculptures. 
Yes, yes. 
 

841
00:46:00,538 --> 00:46:03,904
I mean, we'd we're all natural 
working out every day. 
 

842
00:46:03,912 --> 00:46:07,864
And you know, I think I'm a 
little more like Janelle 
 

843
00:46:07,872 --> 00:46:10,592
genetically than Vicki. 
Slash Alina slash Val. 
 

844
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,716
Oh my God, For those third 
names, I hope back at the beach 

845
00:46:16,716 --> 00:46:20,720
 house or back at the beach 
homes. 
 

846
00:46:20,728 --> 00:46:23,240
I don't know. 
We're at somebody's beach house 

847
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,832
 out in the back, enjoying the 
lovely view of the beach, the 
 

848
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,944
sunset, the waves crashing 
against the shore. 
 

849
00:46:29,952 --> 00:46:32,600
Well, we didn't get to enjoy any
of that, but the Browns might 
 

850
00:46:32,608 --> 00:46:35,182
have. 
Instead, we are sitting around a

851
00:46:35,182 --> 00:46:39,116

 table on their back deck, 
patio, whatever you're going to 

852
00:46:39,116 --> 00:46:43,995
call 
 it, having a chat. 
Kody's asked about why they came

853
00:46:43,995 --> 00:46:47,940

 out publicly, which I always 
like the coming out topic 
 

854
00:46:47,948 --> 00:46:50,765
because I have never done so 
myself. 
 

855
00:46:50,773 --> 00:46:55,075
I'm in the closet and I really 
like to hear people's stories 
 

856
00:46:55,083 --> 00:46:59,135
about coming out and being who 
they really are publicly. 
 

857
00:46:59,143 --> 00:47:03,790
Theirs is a touching one. 
I didn't really care about the 


858
00:47:03,798 --> 00:47:06,115
details of Kody's story because 
we've heard it so many times 
 

859
00:47:06,123 --> 00:47:07,212
before. 
So I don't really care. 
 

860
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:09,784
Like he just went through his 
bullet list of like, oh, we did 

861
00:47:09,784 --> 00:47:12,060
 it because of this. 
And, you know, there were so 
 

862
00:47:12,068 --> 00:47:14,521
many people that thought that 
the bad guys were the good guys 

863
00:47:14,521 --> 00:47:15,974
 and the good guys were the bad 
guys. 
 

864
00:47:15,982 --> 00:47:17,569
And I was here to set the record
straight. 
 

865
00:47:17,577 --> 00:47:21,040
And it's like, cut to you are a 
terrible example of what a 
 

866
00:47:21,048 --> 00:47:24,115
polygamist man is. 
Not that there's good examples, 

867
00:47:24,115 --> 00:47:26,720
 I don't know. 
Yada yada yada, wrong 
 

868
00:47:26,728 --> 00:47:29,732
representation, yada yada yada. 
We didn't want that anymore, 
 

869
00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:31,270
yada yada. 
Exactly, exactly. 
 

870
00:47:31,278 --> 00:47:36,344
This is where Vicki shares an 
example of how polygamy and 
 

871
00:47:36,352 --> 00:47:40,260
people's perceptions of polygamy
has negatively affected her and 

872
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:44,764
 their family when talking about
losing a 5 month old baby. 
 

873
00:47:44,772 --> 00:47:48,010
I think it's Val that lost the 
baby. 
 

874
00:47:48,018 --> 00:47:53,160
See once again. 
And I am like, I do really truly

875
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,332

 want to apologize like out 
loud if we're wrong about this 


876
00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:00,040
because we both thought that it 
was a different sister. 
 

877
00:48:00,048 --> 00:48:05,008
And so I, I am sorry if we were 
wrong about this. 
 

878
00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:08,020
We were trying to get it right 
but they weren't putting the 
 

879
00:48:08,028 --> 00:48:09,680
names up anymore. 
When I love why? 
 

880
00:48:09,688 --> 00:48:11,770
You're apologizing because I'm 
like, I'm so not apologetic. 
 

881
00:48:11,778 --> 00:48:13,960
These people like, I don't know 
who it was. 
 

882
00:48:13,968 --> 00:48:15,522
Let's. 
Go with one of them, but I'm 
 

883
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:18,962
going to just say like, it's a, 
it's a hard story to talk about.

884
00:48:18,962 --> 00:48:20,880

 
So like, you know, I wish that 

885
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,880
we, I hope that we have the 
 
person right, because it's a 

886
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,640
it's a rough story. 
 
And this is. 

887
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,560
I can't even imagine going 
 
through this. 

888
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Yeah, and you're giving whoever 
 shared this story the respect. 

889
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,360
I think it was Val. 
 
It was the tall skinny one with 

890
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,600
the snot, the beak. 
 
Beaker. 

891
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Meet me. 
 
OK honey, now tell us about this

892
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,160
story and why you want to give 

her so much respect. 

893
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,960
Well, Val had a 5 month old 
 
baby, I said. 

894
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Whoever she was, whichever 1 
 
shared the story, you want to 

895
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,040
give her the props and respect 

she deserves. 

896
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Val had a 5 month old baby that 
 died and passed away in their 

897
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,120
home. 
 
And of course, whenever a baby 

898
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,720
passes away in your home 
 
especially, they have an 

899
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:08,440
investigation that they open. 
 
They just want to get to the 

900
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,280
bottom of it, you know, whether 
 it's SIDS, something else, you 

901
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,600
know, and since they're a 
 
polygamist family, that 

902
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
investigation got pretty rough. 
 

903
00:49:17,928 --> 00:49:22,390
They were asking invasive 
questions about the doctor that 

904
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:27,370
 she saw and asking if the 
doctor was a polygamist and if 

905
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:31,459
she knew 
 that, and kind of 
questions that they wouldn't ask

906
00:49:31,459 --> 00:49:34,240
a family if 
 they didn't know 
they were polygamists. 
 

907
00:49:34,248 --> 00:49:37,485
And I don't know if those 
questions really are pertinent 


908
00:49:37,493 --> 00:49:40,812
to the investigation at all. 
You know, about a child passing 

909
00:49:40,812 --> 00:49:43,180
 away. 
It doesn't matter if they're a 


910
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,778
doctor that delivered the baby 
was a polygamist. 
 

911
00:49:46,786 --> 00:49:51,860
Like, probably not, unless 
you're truly living on the 
 

912
00:49:51,868 --> 00:49:54,927
compound, which we all know 
about. 
 

913
00:49:54,935 --> 00:49:58,840
And their nurses would hide 
things a lot, particularly 
 

914
00:49:58,848 --> 00:50:03,655
babies that passed away. 
But these people are not living 

915
00:50:03,655 --> 00:50:05,934
 on a compound. 
They actually were seeking 
 

916
00:50:05,942 --> 00:50:08,905
medical attention. 
So it's a different scenario. 
 

917
00:50:08,913 --> 00:50:16,188
And to lose a baby at five 
months old as a mother would be 

918
00:50:16,188 --> 00:50:19,286
 scarring enough and truly 
fucking awful. 
 

919
00:50:19,294 --> 00:50:22,311
But then to have an 
investigation into your family 


920
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:26,840
open and be scared of losing the
rest of your children? 
 

921
00:50:26,848 --> 00:50:32,562
I can't even imagine what that 
woman went through, and I'm sure

922
00:50:32,562 --> 00:50:36,360

 she needed all the support 
that she could get. 
 

923
00:50:36,368 --> 00:50:39,525
And yeah. 
For the investigation to be 
 

924
00:50:39,533 --> 00:50:44,350
heavy on the polygamous parts of
their lifestyle adds this other 

925
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:51,560
 layer because yes, when a young
child dies, there is usually an 

926
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,965
 investigation and that is 
traumatic on top of the 
 

927
00:50:55,973 --> 00:51:00,095
experience you've already had. 
So to add this extra layer, 
 

928
00:51:00,103 --> 00:51:04,324
yeah, it didn't. 
You know, we also don't get a 
 

929
00:51:04,332 --> 00:51:08,040
lot of details. 
So, you know, she's does mention

930
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,392

 that this baby had a heart 
defect amongst other health 
 

931
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,330
issues. 
So, you know, questioning about 

932
00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:20,120
 the child care being given to a
child like that does make sense 

933
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,344
 on a logical level. 
But that would really suck to 
 

934
00:51:23,352 --> 00:51:25,236
have your lifestyle questioned 
along with it. 
 

935
00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:27,866
That would be terrible. 
And the only reason I can 
 

936
00:51:27,874 --> 00:51:31,675
picture it being a factor is if 
you didn't believe in giving 
 

937
00:51:31,683 --> 00:51:34,759
medical attention. 
And is that neglect then? 
 

938
00:51:34,767 --> 00:51:39,769
But these, I don't even want to 
say, these people, the Dargers 


939
00:51:39,777 --> 00:51:44,090
are not of the faith where they 
don't believe in medical 
 

940
00:51:44,098 --> 00:51:46,640
intervention from what I could 
tell. 
 

941
00:51:46,648 --> 00:51:48,688
Now, that doesn't mean that 
they're not. 
 

942
00:51:48,696 --> 00:51:53,124
I don't know. 
But then we get Vicki, which is 

943
00:51:53,124 --> 00:51:57,600
 Val's sister, who tells a story
about how, you know, they were 


944
00:51:57,608 --> 00:52:01,969
scared about the children 
getting taken away because their

945
00:52:01,969 --> 00:52:08,176

 mom's dad was in prison and 
they would hear stories about 

946
00:52:08,176 --> 00:52:11,280
it. 
 
And she words it very oddly. 

947
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,760
She says, my mom's dad, not like

 my granddad was in prison. 

948
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,880
So this whole story is a little 
 vague and like round Robyn. 

949
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,520
We get a lot of round Robyn in 

this entire fucking series. 

950
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,440
But. 
 
Not square Robyn, round Robyn. 

951
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:38,680
This one is, it's confusing, and

 it's a story that justifies 

952
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,920
some, you know, like 
 
sensitivities. 

953
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,880
So yeah, it was intentional. 
 
It was very intense. 

954
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,720
The way she stated it seemed 
 
intentional. 

955
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,960
So hard to know why it was 
 
stated that way. 

956
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,000
Yeah, and we even did go back 
 
and watch it like 3 times. 

957
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Not kidding because we were 
 
confused and I thought I heard 

958
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,880
one thing. 
 
Chris thought he heard one 

959
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:00,800
thing. 
 
So we. 

960
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,080
Went back, I didn't know who was

 talking. 

961
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,720
Well, right. 
 
And I'm like, oh, the tall, 

962
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,480
gangly Big Bird. 
 
And then we've got the Grover as

963
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,360
the twin drover and Big Bird. 
 
And then we've got Abby Mcgabby 

964
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,280
Dabby. 
 
But she was. 

965
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,200
Was she the one you wanted to 
 
show to respect to a minute ago?

966
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,600
Or was. 
 
The Dwell. 

967
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,720
I love when you're talking about

 giving people respect on this 

968
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,000
show. 
 
Oh, and I don't mean their show,

969
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,040
I mean our show. 
 
Like, this is funny. 

970
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,760
Oh my God. 
 
I'm trying to think of what 

971
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,194
people would have called me when

 I was pergante or like what 

972
00:53:35,194 --> 00:53:36,754
they would probably call me now.

 

973
00:53:36,762 --> 00:53:39,707
And This is why I have a fear of
caricatures. 
 

974
00:53:39,715 --> 00:53:42,820
So wow. 
Which is how my husband proposed

975
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:43,996

 to me. 
Oh. 
 

976
00:53:44,004 --> 00:53:45,903
Yes, which is why it was such a 
shock. 
 

977
00:53:45,911 --> 00:53:48,287
And you know, he got me. 
There. 
 

978
00:53:48,295 --> 00:53:50,150
He really surprised me with 
that. 
 

979
00:53:50,158 --> 00:53:52,383
One of what? 
You looked like as a cartoon 
 

980
00:53:52,391 --> 00:53:54,368
character. 
It's like one of my biggest 
 

981
00:53:54,376 --> 00:53:57,168
fears, like caricatures are 
like, I'm so sorry, but they're 

982
00:53:57,168 --> 00:53:58,794
 fucking hideous every time. 
So. 
 

983
00:53:58,802 --> 00:54:01,620
Mind have always been very 
attractive. 
 

984
00:54:01,628 --> 00:54:06,080
Oh. 
OK, just kidding? 
 

985
00:54:06,088 --> 00:54:10,010
Janelle asks. 
Has US going public helped in 
 

986
00:54:10,018 --> 00:54:14,728
any way? 
And then Joe goes on some 
 

987
00:54:14,736 --> 00:54:16,166
diatribe, some speech or 
whatever. 
 

988
00:54:16,174 --> 00:54:19,222
It shouldn't say it like that. 
He just says something on the 
 

989
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:23,290
lines of, I get frustrated over 
how much more needs to happen, 


990
00:54:23,298 --> 00:54:27,060
like with public perception and 
with polygamists living in the 


991
00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:29,671
shadows. 
And it's like, wow, why do they 

992
00:54:29,671 --> 00:54:33,002
 live in the shadows? 
Is it just because of ostracism,

993
00:54:33,002 --> 00:54:36,435

 or is it because there's 
reasons that they live in the 

994
00:54:36,435 --> 00:54:38,440
shadows? 
 
Historically there are so many 

995
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,720
reasons, but I think like in 
 
today's society with like 

996
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:50,960
polyamory, polyamory is kind of 
 a quasi accepted thing. 

997
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,640
So I think if this would come 
 
out nowadays, people wouldn't be

998
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,640
as shocked. 
 
Yeah, well, in many ways, thanks

999
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,360
to the Browns. 
 
They were revolutionaries, 

1000
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,240
right? 
 
They opened our eyes and our 

1001
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,320
ears and our legs to many 
 
people. 

1002
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,760
Duh. 
 
Like what am I talking about? 

1003
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,800
Like, of course it's because of 
 them. 

1004
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,280
Jesus, Kimberly. 
 
Janelle was really just fishing 

1005
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,920
for a compliment. 
 
I mean, of course she was. 

1006
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,680
That bitch. 
 
Yeah. 

1007
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,680
I mean, he, like Joe, basically 
 says that he feels like going 

1008
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,520
public has to happen in order to

 help, you know, bring light to

1009
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,040
the fact that there are 
 
different polygamous sects and 

1010
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,640
they all have different beliefs 
 and. 

1011
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,520
Which of course, allows the show

 to give Kody another moment to

1012
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,080
talk about how they are not the 
 stereotype that everyone has of

1013
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,840
polygamists. 
 
He is not at all some evil. 

1014
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,530
I was going to say shrew, harpy,

 whatever the other word was 

1015
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:48,254
that someone told us in a 
comment 
 about what the actual 

1016
00:55:48,254 --> 00:55:50,640
terms are that we were trying. 

To use Siren, Siren. 

1017
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,800
And I totally got that wrong. 
 
And I, you know, as soon as I 

1018
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,160
read that comment, I was like, 

Kimberly, you dumb fucking 

1019
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,080
bitch. 
 
Like you dumb bitch, I can't 

1020
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,440
believe you got Siren and Harpy 
 mixed up like. 

1021
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,200
Well, I love because I was just 
 like, yeah, Harpy. 

1022
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,760
Like one of those women that 
 
just won't shut up. 

1023
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,485
And like create code is my God. 
 

1024
00:56:08,493 --> 00:56:11,160
Version of that, whatever that. 
Is I actually was kicking myself

1025
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,665

 when I read that comment 
because I was like God, you 

1026
00:56:13,665 --> 00:56:15,635
know, and 
 this is the stuff 
that drives me nuts. 
 

1027
00:56:15,643 --> 00:56:18,826
Like when you get called out for
stuff like that and you're like,

1028
00:56:18,826 --> 00:56:22,370

 God, that was really dumb 
because I'm like a huge sci-fi 


1029
00:56:22,378 --> 00:56:25,900
fantasy nerd and it's different 
when you're talking about it. 
 

1030
00:56:25,908 --> 00:56:29,570
Even layering on the shame. 
So you should be even more 
 

1031
00:56:29,578 --> 00:56:32,596
ashamed than those deep, dark, 
dank, polygamous. 
 

1032
00:56:32,604 --> 00:56:37,175
I should be living in sin now. 
I believe it's when we're going 

1033
00:56:37,175 --> 00:56:41,337
 to transition to the discussion
of the working out and the belt.

1034
00:56:41,337 --> 00:56:43,920

 
This is the built Dargers, but 

1035
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
like the family that just works 
 out like. 

1036
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,240
Those dumbbell. 
 
Dargers. 

1037
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Dumbbell Dargers. 
 
Oh my gosh, not the dumbbell 

1038
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,720
Dargers. 
 
Sorry, Dargers. 

1039
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,840
Whatever your names are. 
 
That's so bad. 

1040
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,280
But you know, Christine of 
 
course has to say, oh, we all 

1041
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,360
know the Dargers work out every 
 day and they have this 

1042
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,120
discussion about them working 
 
out. 

1043
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,920
They're an inspiration, darling.

 

1044
00:57:09,928 --> 00:57:12,010
There is. 
I literally tuned this out 
 

1045
00:57:12,018 --> 00:57:14,850
because I was like I cannot 
listen to the Browns talking 
 

1046
00:57:14,858 --> 00:57:17,488
about working out anymore. 
Like I just am like I don't give

1047
00:57:17,488 --> 00:57:20,200

 a fuck. 
I do have to pause here and say 

1048
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,892
 that Janelle actually looks 
really good on the couch right 


1049
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,290
now. 
She's sitting, so there's Kody 


1050
00:57:25,298 --> 00:57:28,266
in the middle. 
Of course, I was always good. 
 

1051
00:57:28,274 --> 00:57:33,615
And then Janelle is next to him 
for once, and Christina's on the

1052
00:57:33,615 --> 00:57:38,465

 outside and so she's between 
Kody and Christine and she's 
 

1053
00:57:38,473 --> 00:57:43,790
wearing a red like button up top
and she looks like she's lost 
 

1054
00:57:43,798 --> 00:57:46,427
weight here. 
Like she actually looked really 

1055
00:57:46,427 --> 00:57:48,592
 good. 
And I made little asterisks next

1056
00:57:48,592 --> 00:57:52,460

 to that so that I would call 
it out because we talk about her

1057
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:55,628

 being on the end a lot. 
And it's unfortunate for her and

1058
00:57:55,628 --> 00:57:59,668

 it fucking is. 
And this is proof because she 
 

1059
00:57:59,676 --> 00:58:03,575
deserve some justice. 
Yes, for that they did her real 

1060
00:58:03,575 --> 00:58:05,560
 fucking dirty over and over 
again. 
 

1061
00:58:05,568 --> 00:58:07,700
Always. 
They do her dirty all the time. 

1062
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,520
 
Part of me feels like just do 

1063
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,474
the producers like not like her,

 but I don't know that that's 

1064
00:58:12,474 --> 00:58:14,240
the case. 
 
It's just when you, you know, 

1065
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,286
you're at the end of the couch, 
 you're at the widest part of 

1066
00:58:16,286 --> 00:58:18,676
the lens and it's just so 
unhelpful. 
 

1067
00:58:18,684 --> 00:58:22,934
I think that she's just like an 
afterthought because she's so 
 

1068
00:58:22,942 --> 00:58:25,927
like, amenable. 
Like she is that amenable. 
 

1069
00:58:25,935 --> 00:58:27,656
Amenable. 
Whatever that word is. 
 

1070
00:58:27,664 --> 00:58:31,779
She goes along with whatever and
she's just willing to take like 

1071
00:58:31,779 --> 00:58:34,608
 the butt end of the bread every
time. 
 

1072
00:58:34,616 --> 00:58:37,083
That's what I call. 
It the butt end of the bread. 
 

1073
00:58:37,091 --> 00:58:39,492
The butt end of the bread like 
it let's say the whole family 
 

1074
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,386
gets toast and it gets to the 
last piece and she's like I'll 


1075
00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:45,624
take the butt end and I feel. 
Like resources can't buy any 
 

1076
00:58:45,632 --> 00:58:46,485
more bread. 
Yeah. 
 

1077
00:58:46,493 --> 00:58:51,374
And that just goes into, like, a
lot about her past and how she 


1078
00:58:51,382 --> 00:58:54,423
was raised. 
And she just, like, gets to take

1079
00:58:54,423 --> 00:58:57,915

 it and take it and take it. 
Yeah. 
 

1080
00:58:57,923 --> 00:59:00,347
And they do her dirty on the 
couch. 
 

1081
00:59:00,355 --> 00:59:02,828
And I don't think it even has to
do with the producers. 
 

1082
00:59:02,836 --> 00:59:05,470
I think it just has to do with 
the wives probably, like sitting

1083
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:07,267

 down and getting their asses 
in there. 
 

1084
00:59:07,275 --> 00:59:10,452
And then she just, like, 
lollygags on in and sits there. 

1085
00:59:10,452 --> 00:59:10,760
 
Yeah. 

1086
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,000
I think the truth lies in the 
 
middle in the sense that there 

1087
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,360
is some reason that this show 
 
doesn't give her a flattering 

1088
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,760
light, very regular at all. 
 
And maybe it is because of just 

1089
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,377
who she is and how she operates.

 

1090
00:59:24,385 --> 00:59:27,032
But it almost feels like at 
times where it's like, how is 
 

1091
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,068
this even the case? 
Like no one. 
 

1092
00:59:29,076 --> 00:59:32,815
I mean, other than they don't I 
guess They all look terrible. 
 

1093
00:59:32,823 --> 00:59:34,972
I don't know. 
I don't know what to say. 
 

1094
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:36,920
Now. 
I have another thing that I 
 

1095
00:59:36,928 --> 00:59:43,292
would like to bring up here 
because we go to the Dargers on 

1096
00:59:43,292 --> 00:59:48,909
 the couch and I, I'm curious. 
So we go back and forth between 

1097
00:59:48,909 --> 00:59:52,540
 the Browns and the Dargers 
talking about jealousy issues 
 

1098
00:59:52,548 --> 00:59:57,710
and how they handle it. 
And this is an ongoing theme, of

1099
00:59:57,710 --> 01:00:00,780

 course. 
Of course, it is like in any 
 

1100
01:00:00,788 --> 01:00:04,198
relationship. 
But I noticed, and you noticed, 

1101
01:00:04,198 --> 01:00:10,583
 that the two first wives of the
Dargers look more alike than the

1102
01:00:10,583 --> 01:00:14,025

 twins. 
And I think that after a while, 

1103
01:00:14,025 --> 01:00:17,740
 you take on other people's 
traits, which is why they'll say

1104
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:21,335

 like, oh, spouses start to 
look like they dress alike. 
 

1105
01:00:21,343 --> 01:00:24,970
They whatever, you know, people 
that you're around, you take on 

1106
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:28,495
 their mannerisms. 
Now the twin sister was in a 
 

1107
01:00:28,503 --> 01:00:31,898
marriage for 11 years out God 
knows where with. 
 

1108
01:00:31,906 --> 01:00:35,435
With God knows who. 
This person and God knows how 
 

1109
01:00:35,443 --> 01:00:37,578
many other wives and whatever. 
Yeah. 
 

1110
01:00:37,586 --> 01:00:41,904
And then you've got these two 
first wives that this is like 
 

1111
01:00:41,912 --> 01:00:44,627
their first ever relationship. 
Let's be honest. 
 

1112
01:00:44,635 --> 01:00:48,328
Dating in courting is for the 
purpose of getting married. 
 

1113
01:00:48,336 --> 01:00:51,815
So they've never been in a 
relationship other than with Joe

1114
01:00:51,815 --> 01:00:53,669

 and each other. 
Yeah. 
 

1115
01:00:53,677 --> 01:00:58,555
And they look a lot alike. 
They've obviously taken on each 

1116
01:00:58,555 --> 01:01:00,822
 other's traits. 
Their hair looks alike, the way 

1117
01:01:00,822 --> 01:01:06,404
 they style themselves as a like
and not in the sense that other 

1118
01:01:06,404 --> 01:01:08,887
 polygamists like other Mormons 
do. 
 

1119
01:01:08,895 --> 01:01:11,680
The bouffant, the Prairie look. 
Yeah. 
 

1120
01:01:11,688 --> 01:01:13,476
Yeah. 
Not the Prairie look. 
 

1121
01:01:13,484 --> 01:01:18,024
Not on purpose. 
This is like a slow morphing 
 

1122
01:01:18,032 --> 01:01:22,256
taking on traits thing. 100 
That's why I thought they were 


1123
01:01:22,264 --> 01:01:24,560
the sisters, because they 
literally look like twins. 
 

1124
01:01:24,568 --> 01:01:27,348
And you're right, I don't know 
what that term is. 
 

1125
01:01:27,356 --> 01:01:29,130
If you know what it is, let us 
know. 
 

1126
01:01:29,138 --> 01:01:32,695
But there is a term for that. 
It's like this osmosis of 
 

1127
01:01:32,703 --> 01:01:35,412
someone's, you know, vibes, 
their nests, their looks, this 


1128
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:38,320
whole thing, you know, And that 
definitely happens with them. 
 

1129
01:01:38,328 --> 01:01:43,234
I noticed it a lot after you 
pointed it out because to me at 

1130
01:01:43,234 --> 01:01:48,660
 first I didn't notice that OK. 
And I noticed angles where the 


1131
01:01:48,668 --> 01:01:52,699
twins looked a lot alike and 
their noses looked a lot alike. 

1132
01:01:52,699 --> 01:01:54,400
 
And I don't want to bring it 

1133
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,186
back to the noses but like let's

 be honest, it comes like 2 

1134
01:01:57,186 --> 01:02:01,720
noses and jaws and I set and 
whatever 
 the wife that is not 

1135
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,860
the sister has the ski jump 
nose. 
 

1136
01:02:04,868 --> 01:02:10,606
But you're right, the two first 
wives look like they could be. 


1137
01:02:10,614 --> 01:02:12,400
Twins. 
Yeah, I agree. 
 

1138
01:02:12,408 --> 01:02:16,725
And this conversation is where 
the Dargers start talking about 

1139
01:02:16,725 --> 01:02:19,875
 this showing affection. 
Open it late, openly, openly. 
 

1140
01:02:19,883 --> 01:02:24,370
Like in front of each other. 
And how they are comfortable 
 

1141
01:02:24,378 --> 01:02:27,448
with doing that. 
And you know, they kind of give 

1142
01:02:27,448 --> 01:02:30,188
 some bullet points. 
I don't know that any of them 
 

1143
01:02:30,196 --> 01:02:32,570
have significance like. 
How does that take anything away

1144
01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:35,987

 from me? 
Like love is multiplied, not 
 

1145
01:02:35,995 --> 01:02:39,728
divided. 
Like, yeah, how does that take 


1146
01:02:39,736 --> 01:02:42,766
anything away from me? 
And you know, logically that 
 

1147
01:02:42,774 --> 01:02:44,525
makes sense. 
I'm way too jealous and 
 

1148
01:02:44,533 --> 01:02:47,040
emotionally based of a person to
be in that situation. 
 

1149
01:02:47,048 --> 01:02:49,233
Like I would totally be fucked 
in the brain. 
 

1150
01:02:49,241 --> 01:02:54,100
I don't know if I could do that 
in my marriage but they are able

1151
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,504

 to. 
And like, I'm not going to yuck 

1152
01:02:56,504 --> 01:02:59,168
 their Yum but. 
I know I always default to like 

1153
01:02:59,168 --> 01:03:03,162
 too broad where I think of 
ensembles and like a good star 


1154
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:05,574
knows when to let someone else. 
Shine. 
 

1155
01:03:05,582 --> 01:03:08,376
Yes, yes. 
That's not the same as a 
 

1156
01:03:08,384 --> 01:03:10,900
romantic relationship, but there
is an element of that. 
 

1157
01:03:10,908 --> 01:03:14,542
Yeah, I mean knowing where each 
other one each of the other 
 

1158
01:03:14,550 --> 01:03:20,320
wives like can shine and where 
you take a step back would be Oh

1159
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,100

 my God. 
Like, I don't even know how you 

1160
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,542
 would learn that. 
I just feel like this other 
 

1161
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:29,922
family like has it so dialed in 
and God, you cannot tell that 
 

1162
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:32,605
from one episode and I know 
that. 
 

1163
01:03:32,613 --> 01:03:35,734
They do seem so much more well 
functioned in our introduction 


1164
01:03:35,742 --> 01:03:37,801
to them. 
Yeah, I even said to you, I'm 
 

1165
01:03:37,809 --> 01:03:40,030
like, I would watch a show about
these guys. 
 

1166
01:03:40,038 --> 01:03:44,320
Like they seem like very 
interesting people and maybe 
 

1167
01:03:44,328 --> 01:03:48,008
they're actually boring because 
they have it so dialed in and 
 

1168
01:03:48,016 --> 01:03:50,703
that's why they I don't know. 
That's why we don't know their 


1169
01:03:50,711 --> 01:03:51,840
name. 
Like we don't. 
 

1170
01:03:51,848 --> 01:03:55,098
The Browns. 
Well, definitely Chris doesn't 


1171
01:03:55,106 --> 01:03:58,310
know their names. 
There is this back and forth 
 

1172
01:03:58,318 --> 01:04:01,438
like you were referencing with 
the topics between the Dargers 


1173
01:04:01,446 --> 01:04:04,645
talking about it and the Browns,
like the adults. 
 

1174
01:04:04,653 --> 01:04:08,842
And at one point in this kind of
back and forth, Meri has a 
 

1175
01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:11,870
moment on the couch where she 
says that they have a lot of 
 

1176
01:04:11,878 --> 01:04:14,712
things to deal with in their 
relationships and that they 
 

1177
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,480
would do that without adding the
level of jealousy by sharing 
 

1178
01:04:18,488 --> 01:04:20,700
affection with each other in 
front of each other. 
 

1179
01:04:20,708 --> 01:04:23,330
And it's like, well. 
But like, that's a load of 
 

1180
01:04:23,338 --> 01:04:25,718
fucking bullshit. 
You guys talk all the time about

1181
01:04:25,718 --> 01:04:28,784

 how you don't talk about your 
sexual relationships with each 


1182
01:04:28,792 --> 01:04:32,384
other and you don't do that 
stuff in front of each other 
 

1183
01:04:32,392 --> 01:04:33,743
because that's crossing a 
boundary. 
 

1184
01:04:33,751 --> 01:04:37,462
And they're just so full of 
their own bullshit all the time.

1185
01:04:37,462 --> 01:04:39,120

 
And they waver on like what they

1186
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,520
do and they just don't have. 
 
Well, and even what would that 

1187
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,760
be like? 
 
Oh honey, it's Thanksgiving 

1188
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,342
dinner, let's fuck on the table.

 

1189
01:04:47,350 --> 01:04:49,114
Oh, but no, there's other people
around. 
 

1190
01:04:49,122 --> 01:04:50,512
Like this stuff doesn't even 
happen. 
 

1191
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,700
And like regular relationships, 
you're not exactly like 
 

1192
01:04:53,708 --> 01:04:57,148
exhibiting a whole bunch of 
affection in certain ways. 
 

1193
01:04:57,156 --> 01:05:00,100
Like, of course there's like 
honeymoon phases and whatever in

1194
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,660

 a relationship, but I don't 
know, most people going through 

1195
01:05:02,660 --> 01:05:04,962
 their day aren't just like 
making out with their spouse in 

1196
01:05:04,962 --> 01:05:07,407
 front of everybody. 
Like that's not exactly typical.

1197
01:05:07,407 --> 01:05:07,760

 
No. 

1198
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,920
And I feel like giving like a 
 
pack in front of family or like 

1199
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,320
holding hands or putting your 
 
arms around each other is like 

1200
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,000
pretty common. 
 
And I think that that's what 

1201
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,320
they do. 
 
And you can tell when the Browns

1202
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,480
do it, that they are 
 
uncomfortable sometimes. 

1203
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Like the Valentine's episode, 
 
for instance, Kody was showing 

1204
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,720
way more affection to Robyn. 
 
And I think we even pointed that

1205
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,120
out. 
 
And that was an odd instance. 

1206
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,680
And I think that we noticed it 

there because it was an odd 

1207
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,640
instance for them to do that. 
 
And it's because they're not 

1208
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,440
actually around each other as 
 
much as we would like to fucking

1209
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,280
think. 
 
That and they don't share things

1210
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,280
with each other. 
 
And this other family they're. 

1211
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,320
With each other all the time. 
 
They're with each other all the 

1212
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,920
time and they share way more 
 
together. 

1213
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,680
So they have to be around each 

other when they're having 

1214
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,720
connection or like a pack or a 

handhold or whatever. 

1215
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,440
And even with my own sister, 
 
I'll be like, you know, put my 

1216
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,160
arm around her or like, pull her

 in or things like that. 

1217
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,600
And so to not have that 
 
regularly and be married as a 

1218
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,320
family, it just would be so 
 
bizarre. 

1219
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,360
Very weird. 
 
I would never be able to do what

1220
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,760
the Browns claim that they can 

do, which they can't. 

1221
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,160
They don't. 
 
Because I kind of think that my 

1222
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,320
love language is actually 
 
physical touch. 

1223
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,880
Like I'm always kind of doing 
 
that with people and not in a 

1224
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,560
romantic sense, just in a like I

 like to like, you know, give 

1225
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,400
someone a hug. 
 
I like to embrace people. 

1226
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,800
I like to touch an arm. 
 
Like I'm all about that shit. 

1227
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,560
And if I wasn't able to do, if I

 had to constantly be thinking 

1228
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,160
about not doing that, I would 
 
change fundamentally as a 

1229
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,099
person, like not in a good way. 
 

1230
01:06:49,107 --> 01:06:51,188
Like I would be uncomfortable 
all the time. 
 

1231
01:06:51,196 --> 01:06:54,116
I mean, we even like, we'll give
hugs and like kisses on cheeks 


1232
01:06:54,124 --> 01:06:57,227
and you will with my husband and
it's like I wouldn't even think 

1233
01:06:57,227 --> 01:06:59,336
 twice about it. 
When it if it happens in front 


1234
01:06:59,344 --> 01:07:02,400
of me I don't even I'm like when
if it happened it does I don't 


1235
01:07:02,408 --> 01:07:04,347
even notice it so I I don't 
know. 
 

1236
01:07:04,355 --> 01:07:08,964
I wouldn't. 
I don't know, but they, I think,

1237
01:07:08,964 --> 01:07:12,768

 notice it each time. 
Like, I can imagine Meri seeing 

1238
01:07:12,768 --> 01:07:15,688
 that and being like. 
He doesn't touch me. 
 

1239
01:07:15,696 --> 01:07:19,260
I imagine it being a jealousy 
thing because they're pitted 
 

1240
01:07:19,268 --> 01:07:24,248
against each other because Kody 
has no backbone and he's a slug.

1241
01:07:24,248 --> 01:07:26,960

 
In our next scene on this 

1242
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,560
fabulous episode, the kids are 

going to go to a diner for 

1243
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,680
shakes. 
 
Oh, they're walking along the 

1244
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,920
shore. 
 
And I noticed when they get to 

1245
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,640
their destination, it's called 

Cruising Cafe One O 1. 

1246
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,400
And I'm like, yes, the Cruisin 

Cafe 101, that's where you go to

1247
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,760
get a shake on the beach. 
 
I love that you caught that. 

1248
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,400
I was like, the kids go to a 
 
malt shop and there ain't poodle

1249
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,120
skirt. 
 
Cruisin Cafe 101 and their 

1250
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,360
poodle skirts. 
 
And they have socks with little 

1251
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,240
ruffles and their little white 

sneakers on. 

1252
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,320
And we're back in Greece. 
 
Yeah, they say the boys hair is 

1253
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,360
all greased to the side. 
 
They've got the little Combs in 

1254
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,040
their pockets. 
 
Just kidding. 

1255
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,160
There's just a lot of bad 
 
clothes and acne because it's 

1256
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,320
teenagers going to Cruisin Cafe 
 101. 

1257
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,760
It's really, I, I feel like when

 they were walking, it was all 

1258
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,520
the kids. 
 
But then when we get inside, 

1259
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,120
it's really just the older kids 
 sitting around a table. 

1260
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:24,720
And they might have, you know, 

segregated the kids for, like, a

1261
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,080
scene, but the older kids from 

both families are sitting around

1262
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,760
this large table in the corner 

of the diner. 

1263
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,240
There's more older Darger kids 

than there are brown kids. 

1264
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,113
Maddie points out to the Dargers

 that they seem very organized 

1265
01:08:38,113 --> 01:08:39,800
as family. 
 
Oh my God. 

1266
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,359
Like, yeah. 
 
In comparison. 

1267
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,200
They talk a little bit about 
 
plural marriage and if anyone 

1268
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,640
from each family is interested 

in plural marriage. 

1269
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,880
And Caleb Darger says that he 
 
does not want plural marriage 

1270
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,120
and he knows that they kind of 

each go back and forth and break

1271
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,080
that down. 
 
Did you know anything from like 

1272
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,800
either side about that? 
 
I didn't really care too much 

1273
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,640
about the details of what they 

were sharing. 

1274
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,279
For some reason, I felt like it 
 was a bit filler. 

1275
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,720
The Darger boys, you know, 
 
before we get this lovely quote 

1276
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,760
from Caleb, which is one of my 

favorite quotes from the show, I

1277
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,720
have to admit, the Darger boys 

do make inference and kind of 

1278
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,040
some repeated comments about how

 Joe is like a no nonsense take

1279
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,920
charge kind of guy. 
 
And that's another thing 

1280
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,120
throughout this episode where 
 
they're kind of doing this 

1281
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,080
display of like Kody and his 
 
kids versus Joe and his kids. 

1282
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,439
And I noticed a lot of the kids 
 totally look not inbred. 

1283
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,800
And so take that for what it's 

worth. 

1284
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,760
And Caleb has this lovely quote 
 when he's talking about his 

1285
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,840
father, Joe Joseph, the 
 
patriarch of the Darger family, 

1286
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:56,160
and he refers to his dad as big,

 bald and intimidating. 

1287
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,720
Yeah. 
 
And I'm like, yes, being bald 

1288
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,120
and intimidating. 
 
And it does fit. 

1289
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,200
I think intimidating is a 
 
teenager, you know, taking that 

1290
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,240
from their dad and their life 
 
experience. 

1291
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:13,000
He does like I can see it. 
 
He has some serious eyes like I 

1292
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,160
can. 
 
He has, I guess, like that 

1293
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,360
serious look. 
 
He's big and bald and I would be

1294
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,240
like, if he was coming at me 
 
being like, listen, I'd be like,

1295
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,040
oh, I am intimidated. 
 
So I guess daddy. 

1296
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,680
Yeah, like totally, Dad, 
 
whatever you have to say, tell 

1297
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,680
me what to do. 
 
So I don't know. 

1298
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,480
I kind of felt like the scene 
 
was a bit throw away. 

1299
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,160
I don't know that I learned 
 
anything other than that Joe is 

1300
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,680
big, bald, and intimidating. 
 
The darker moms are a good team 

1301
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,920
is what I took away from it, and

 that Joe has a plan for 

1302
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:47,840
everything, whereas Logan says 

that they each go to a different

1303
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:53,280
mom for different areas of 
 
expertise and Caleb says that 

1304
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,240
Joe is an encyclopedia basically

 and they go to Joe for the 

1305
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,480
answers. 
 
That's right. 

1306
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,520
And then Maddie says our house 

is chaos. 

1307
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,600
Yeah, affirming what we know. 
 
Telling us what we know. 

1308
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,120
They show the little brother 
 
with the large forehead a few 

1309
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,040
times like smiling and giggling 
 along like Beavis and Butthead 

1310
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,560
style but. 
 
Not in bread. 

1311
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,200
But Caleb is giving the answers,

 and I'm not going to say it's 

1312
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,960
rehearsed. 
 
I don't think it's rehearsed. 

1313
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:24,360
I think that it's just organic 

that he's the older brother and 

1314
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:28,160
he's giving the answer is just 

kind of like how Logan is. 

1315
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,000
I think as he gets older he 
 
might realize that he's a little

1316
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,200
big, bald and intimidating. 
 
I think so. 

1317
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,000
He might have a little of his 
 
daddy inside of him. 

1318
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,200
I think so. 
 
Although I ironically don't 

1319
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,680
think that's actually his bio 
 
dad, I think. 

1320
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,200
No, I don't think it is. 
 
The bottom third saying that it 

1321
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,200
was like from the previous 
 
marriage. 

1322
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,000
Yeah, Yeah. 
 
I think that that's one of 

1323
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,667
Val's, like older your sons from

 a previous marriage, which I 

1324
01:11:49,667 --> 01:11:54,854
got to say the vibe that I got 
was 
 that she is like, she was 

1325
01:11:54,854 --> 01:11:57,600
kind of scared to like, maybe 
leave 
 that marriage, which is 

1326
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,920
why it took a while. 
 
And she maybe didn't know if 

1327
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,680
she'd be able to, like, take her

 kids with her. 

1328
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:10,240
And sure, it kind of speaks that

 her older son is here. 

1329
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
 
When we leave Cruising Cafe One 

1330
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,200
O 1, which you know happens to 

be along Highway One O 1 and you

1331
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,360
can cruise there to that cafe. 

And you can cruise in their 

1332
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:23,440
bathroom. 
 
Well, this is it. 

1333
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,320
Like the adults are walking 
 
along the beach. 

1334
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,520
In our next scene, they're going

 to go to Dini's Bistro. 

1335
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,880
Dini Apostrophe S Bistro. 
 
Dini's Bistro, I wish we got a 

1336
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,800
little bit more of the interior 
 because I'm like, what was this

1337
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,200
place really like? 
 
But unfortunately, we just got 

1338
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,600
all the adults around the table 
 for a while talking now. 

1339
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,680
I don't know if I should say, 
 
unfortunately, I guess that's 

1340
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,000
why we're watching this show. 
 
But the Browns talk about the 

1341
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,528
challenges of living in separate

 homes since they moved to 

1342
01:12:52,528 --> 01:12:55,300
Vegas. 
Christine says they had to do a 

1343
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,536
 reset. 
And I was surprised that she 
 

1344
01:12:57,544 --> 01:13:01,308
knew the word reset. 
Yeah, Joe is wondering, like, 
 

1345
01:13:01,316 --> 01:13:05,295
did you envision this? 
Did you expect 4 separate homes?

1346
01:13:05,295 --> 01:13:07,640

 
Like what's going on here? 

1347
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,640
Like he is kind of surprised by 
 it and was this an accident? 

1348
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,240
He doesn't get it. 
 
And now Kody talks about some 

1349
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:17,500
things that none of us will get.

 

1350
01:13:17,508 --> 01:13:19,128
Oh. 
My God. 
 

1351
01:13:19,136 --> 01:13:23,280
Kody fucking Brown. 
He says that when they were 
 

1352
01:13:23,288 --> 01:13:27,600
moving to Vegas, he was thinking
they'd find a short sale from a 

1353
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,987
 rich person. 
Some millionaire would have lost

1354
01:13:29,987 --> 01:13:32,398

 his. 
Home some rich, rich person 
 

1355
01:13:32,406 --> 01:13:37,424
would have gone into short sale 
on their home, you know, 
 

1356
01:13:37,432 --> 01:13:39,938
10152030 foot, 50,000 square 
feet. 
 

1357
01:13:39,946 --> 01:13:43,862
He just throws out some numbers 
and a house that would maybe 
 

1358
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:46,175
have like 4 kitchens and 25 
bedrooms. 
 

1359
01:13:46,183 --> 01:13:51,100
And I'm staring at the TV going.
He's being sarcastic, right? 
 

1360
01:13:51,108 --> 01:13:53,125
Like he's being silly. 
He's making this up. 
 

1361
01:13:53,133 --> 01:13:56,548
I don't think he was. 
I think he was being serious 
 

1362
01:13:56,556 --> 01:13:59,264
like an idiot. 
I was going WTF? 
 

1363
01:13:59,272 --> 01:14:03,602
No, like what were they going to
get like the Bunny Ranch, like 


1364
01:14:03,610 --> 01:14:06,008
outside of Vegas, Like, do you 
know what I mean? 
 

1365
01:14:06,016 --> 01:14:08,952
Like what was that show that 
used to be on with the like? 
 

1366
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,142
About the brothel. 
About the brothel, like what did

1367
01:14:11,142 --> 01:14:14,485

 you think that like after that
guy died in bed there? 
 

1368
01:14:14,493 --> 01:14:16,900
That's two separate. 
See this is the thing like I 
 

1369
01:14:16,908 --> 01:14:19,280
don't. 
The kitchen would be larger. 
 

1370
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:22,195
They have a commercial kitchen. 
Everyone has their own space. 
 

1371
01:14:22,203 --> 01:14:25,918
Hey, maybe they should have got 
a motel, but instead they found 

1372
01:14:25,918 --> 01:14:31,772
 that the big homes in Vegas had
like 5 bedrooms and one kitchen 

1373
01:14:31,772 --> 01:14:36,927
 because they were standard 
homes and not defaults. 
 

1374
01:14:36,935 --> 01:14:39,880
In short sales for 
multimillionaires with four 
 

1375
01:14:39,888 --> 01:14:41,962
kitchens. 
I'm like, I don't know, I've 
 

1376
01:14:41,970 --> 01:14:45,896
been in some pretty big homes 
and you might have a a kitchen 


1377
01:14:45,904 --> 01:14:48,768
like a Butler's kitchen. 
You might even have a little 
 

1378
01:14:48,776 --> 01:14:51,708
kitchenette in your basement. 
You got some things. 
 

1379
01:14:51,716 --> 01:14:56,382
No home has four kitchens. 
Like I shouldn't say no home. 
 

1380
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:59,560
The the compound in Lehigh had 
three, so I don't. 
 

1381
01:14:59,568 --> 01:15:02,454
Maybe he's just that like, dumb 
that he thinks that that's 
 

1382
01:15:02,462 --> 01:15:03,950
common. 
Yeah, I. 
 

1383
01:15:03,958 --> 01:15:06,234
I don't get what he thought 
here. 
 

1384
01:15:06,242 --> 01:15:11,488
Like a condo situation perhaps? 
I have no idea. 
 

1385
01:15:11,496 --> 01:15:14,182
It just made him sound really, 
really stupid and I was waiting 

1386
01:15:14,182 --> 01:15:17,389
 for the moment where he was 
going to laugh or make it clear 

1387
01:15:17,389 --> 01:15:20,000
 that he was joking and. 
Yeah, he did not. 
 

1388
01:15:20,008 --> 01:15:22,269
He was not joking. 
It was very bizarre. 
 

1389
01:15:22,277 --> 01:15:25,730
Doesn't know anything. 
And the darker women, the darker

1390
01:15:25,730 --> 01:15:28,680

 wives, whichever wives, not 
sure who were like, you know, 

1391
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,720
you got 
 to try the one kitchen
again. 

1392
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,880
You know, eventually you'll get 
 it and it'll be smooth sailing.

1393
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,520
Yeah, No, not for the Browns. 
 
Definitely not. 

1394
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,360
Yeah. 
 
And then Meri says, well, how do

1395
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,720
you handle like when Ichigo 
 
wants to decorate differently? 

1396
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,240
Yeah. 
 
And then one of the darker wives

1397
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:53,640
is like, is how you want to 
 
decorate worth separating your 

1398
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,880
kids over and how you raise your

 family? 

1399
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,320
Right. 
 
And she kind of says it like 

1400
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,440
that. 
 
Like, are, is this a joke? 

1401
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:02,960
Like, are you really asking me 

that? 

1402
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,960
Like being in a plural marriage 
 is about compromise, and the 

1403
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,680
Dargers talk about that again, 

it's about compromise. 

1404
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,600
Like, I can't believe you're 
 
bringing up, like how you're 

1405
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,520
going to decorate your home 
 
versus how you're going to raise

1406
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,000
your children. 
 
Dun Dun, Dun. 

1407
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,880
I know because I'm going like 
 
God I'd pick the decorating over

1408
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,240
the children, but I also don't 

have any children, so the math 

1409
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,040
is mouthing on that one. 
 
So Kody says that he wouldn't 

1410
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,080
choose for them to share a 
 
kitchen again because of their 

1411
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,120
differences. 
 
And he says I'm not being 

1412
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,440
sexist, but the kitchen needs to

 be their domain. 

1413
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:46,419
Yes, they need to have ownership

 of their own kitchen, 

1414
01:16:46,419 --> 01:16:52,247
basically based on the past and 
then in 
 front of the Dargers, 

1415
01:16:52,247 --> 01:16:56,125
Kody says. 
I have two wives who think 
 

1416
01:16:56,133 --> 01:16:58,630
sharing a kitchen can be 
abusive. 
 

1417
01:16:58,638 --> 01:17:02,236
OK, two wives. 
So he specifically says I have 


1418
01:17:02,244 --> 01:17:06,321
two wives who think it can be a 
can be abusive. 
 

1419
01:17:06,329 --> 01:17:11,440
He doesn't even say like he's 
putting the blame on them. 
 

1420
01:17:11,448 --> 01:17:14,482
OK, Yeah. 
Right, who think it can be 
 

1421
01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:17,155
abusive Now he doesn't say it 
like that. 
 

1422
01:17:17,163 --> 01:17:20,762
He basically is like, scared. 
And he even says, like, I'm not 

1423
01:17:20,762 --> 01:17:23,520
 going to let Joe push this idea
on me. 
 

1424
01:17:23,528 --> 01:17:27,666
This is just not something that 
we're going to try again. 
 

1425
01:17:27,674 --> 01:17:30,840
And I think it's something that 
my family is still probably 
 

1426
01:17:30,848 --> 01:17:35,219
never going to get over. 
And then we go to the couch 
 

1427
01:17:35,227 --> 01:17:37,470
where the Browns are having 
their confessional. 
 

1428
01:17:37,478 --> 01:17:41,415
And Meri says that she takes 
that statement personally 
 

1429
01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:45,064
because she knows that Janelle 
thinks she abused her. 
 

1430
01:17:45,072 --> 01:17:49,240
Meri does start her statement by
saying it makes me sad, Yeah, 
 

1431
01:17:49,248 --> 01:17:52,652
which I always have. 
I kind of have a hard time 
 

1432
01:17:52,660 --> 01:17:55,868
sometimes putting my thumb 
putting my finger on Meri's 
 

1433
01:17:55,876 --> 01:18:01,202
actual emotions because she'll 
say statements like it makes me 

1434
01:18:01,202 --> 01:18:05,702
 sad and then cry about what 
she's talking about and I go 
 

1435
01:18:05,710 --> 01:18:07,472
like I don't know if she's 
really sad. 
 

1436
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,629
I I have a hard time following 
it. 
 

1437
01:18:09,637 --> 01:18:12,980
It almost seems like maybe she 
just feels like she's getting 
 

1438
01:18:12,988 --> 01:18:16,380
called out on things. 
And she can't handle it and. 
 

1439
01:18:16,388 --> 01:18:17,932
She can't. 
I, I, I don't know. 
 

1440
01:18:17,940 --> 01:18:21,220
It's hard for me to navigate, 
but when she references, you 
 

1441
01:18:21,228 --> 01:18:24,080
know, the relationship at the 
beginning and she knows that 
 

1442
01:18:24,088 --> 01:18:28,037
Janelle thinks that she abused 
her, she's like, it was never my

1443
01:18:28,037 --> 01:18:31,181

 intention to do that. 
Janelle to you. 
 

1444
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:34,700
I'm sorry, Janelle. 
And it's like, well, she's 
 

1445
01:18:34,708 --> 01:18:38,110
literally is apologizing. 
She does apologize, and she says

1446
01:18:38,110 --> 01:18:43,086

 that she had a louder voice 
and she hadn't learned how to 

1447
01:18:43,086 --> 01:18:45,915
temper 
 it. 
Yeah, and that Janelle didn't 
 

1448
01:18:45,923 --> 01:18:49,972
have that lot of a voice. 
And Janelle says that she didn't

1449
01:18:49,972 --> 01:18:55,132

 know that she could speak up 
and that Kody didn't step up for

1450
01:18:55,132 --> 01:18:58,800

 her. 
Now I really really think that 


1451
01:18:58,808 --> 01:19:03,079
Kody is the type of narcissist 
that will pit people against 
 

1452
01:19:03,087 --> 01:19:06,652
each other to feed his own ego. 
Wow, yeah. 
 

1453
01:19:06,660 --> 01:19:10,475
And I think that they're 
realizing it maybe for the first

1454
01:19:10,475 --> 01:19:13,300

 time because they're having to
sit down and do these 
 

1455
01:19:13,308 --> 01:19:15,520
interviews. 
And I think it's super emotional

1456
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,775

 and like ripping open these 
scars again because they're 
 

1457
01:19:18,783 --> 01:19:23,619
realizing for the first time 
that Kody as the man of the 
 

1458
01:19:23,627 --> 01:19:28,020
house should have been the one 
based on their religion, based 


1459
01:19:28,028 --> 01:19:32,152
on how they were raised. 
And they didn't have role models

1460
01:19:32,152 --> 01:19:34,824

 because they were like, 
basically, you're like thrust 
 

1461
01:19:34,832 --> 01:19:37,240
into this, right? 
Like everything's secretive, 
 

1462
01:19:37,248 --> 01:19:39,500
whatever, whatever. 
And then here you go. 
 

1463
01:19:39,508 --> 01:19:41,956
You're handed off to your 
husband who's supposed to know 


1464
01:19:41,964 --> 01:19:44,382
how to do everything. 
Well, then you got a husband 
 

1465
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:47,784
that's like a little pip squeak 
that doesn't step up. 
 

1466
01:19:47,792 --> 01:19:51,894
And they all just didn't know 
what to do. 
 

1467
01:19:51,902 --> 01:19:54,850
And I'm not saying that Kody 
bears all the responsibility and

1468
01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:56,528

 that he should have known what
to do. 
 

1469
01:19:56,536 --> 01:20:01,704
But then you go to a guy like 
Joe, who was probably in a 
 

1470
01:20:01,712 --> 01:20:06,220
similar situation, and yet it 
played out so differently. 
 

1471
01:20:06,228 --> 01:20:10,384
And I think that they're 
realizing for maybe like the 
 

1472
01:20:10,392 --> 01:20:15,460
first time. 
And it has been said in their 
 

1473
01:20:15,468 --> 01:20:17,980
original book and Christine's 
book. 
 

1474
01:20:17,988 --> 01:20:22,752
That they hadn't spoken openly 
until the couch interviews. 
 

1475
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,120
Right. 
So I really truly think in real 

1476
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:31,320
 time we are seeing them realize
Kody's faults. 
 

1477
01:20:31,328 --> 01:20:37,098
Yeah, not explicitly calling 
them out, just probably putting 

1478
01:20:37,098 --> 01:20:39,240
 pieces together. 
Yeah, you're right. 
 

1479
01:20:39,248 --> 01:20:42,288
Christine references in her book
and in Becoming Sister. 
 

1480
01:20:42,296 --> 01:20:44,300
Why? 
Well, talks about how. 
 

1481
01:20:44,308 --> 01:20:46,132
How hard it was? 
How? 
 

1482
01:20:46,140 --> 01:20:48,447
Hard it was to have these 
conversations because they 
 

1483
01:20:48,455 --> 01:20:50,412
didn't really have honest 
conversations. 
 

1484
01:20:50,420 --> 01:20:54,304
And then they have producers and
directors prodding them, and 
 

1485
01:20:54,312 --> 01:20:58,884
Kody should have stepped up in 
that in some way. 
 

1486
01:20:58,892 --> 01:21:03,325
If he's supposed to be the goal.
Between the the man of the 
 

1487
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:06,984
house, whatever, you know, Meri 
was the first wife. 
 

1488
01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:10,197
So Joe married these two women 
at the same time. 
 

1489
01:21:10,205 --> 01:21:13,520
Meri did have the one up on 
being the first wife. 
 

1490
01:21:13,528 --> 01:21:18,250
And then Janelle came in and 
yeah, there's so many different 

1491
01:21:18,250 --> 01:21:21,778
 dynamics happening here. 
But really, Kody does kind of 
 

1492
01:21:21,786 --> 01:21:24,464
make it seem like he has no part
of it. 
 

1493
01:21:24,472 --> 01:21:27,800
No part of it, right? 
He's just these women against 
 

1494
01:21:27,808 --> 01:21:30,240
each other all the time. 
He's just the man. 
 

1495
01:21:30,248 --> 01:21:32,720
These women have issues. 
I'm going to step back. 
 

1496
01:21:32,728 --> 01:21:35,618
You guys make the decisions. 
He doesn't want to be the bad 
 

1497
01:21:35,626 --> 01:21:36,480
guy ever. 
Ever. 
 

1498
01:21:36,488 --> 01:21:38,970
No, no, no. 
He's going to let anyone else 
 

1499
01:21:38,978 --> 01:21:42,000
take the blame but him. 
And Meri was, you know, she 
 

1500
01:21:42,008 --> 01:21:44,592
probably was a bitch. 
She probably just said whatever 

1501
01:21:44,592 --> 01:21:47,495
 was on her mind. 
And maybe if she didn't, even if

1502
01:21:47,495 --> 01:21:50,652

 she maybe was just more 
passive aggressive or just like 

1503
01:21:50,652 --> 01:21:53,400
rude, 
 OK, well, that was her 
vibe. 

1504
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,640
And she probably was allowed to 
 get away with it because Kody 

1505
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,960
didn't do anything. 
 
And then Janelle's like, why 

1506
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,760
can't I have anything the way I 
 want her? 

1507
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,840
Why is everything that I do 
 
wrong, you know? 

1508
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:09,400
And when you dig into like the 

history of like Mormonism and 

1509
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:14,000
plural marriage, historically, 

the first wife makes the 

1510
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,840
decisions and speaks for 
 
everybody. 

1511
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,280
So if Meri really truly thought 
 that that's what she was 

1512
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,480
supposed to do, and if she was 

raised that that's what she was 

1513
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:30,120
supposed to do, then she was 
 
doing it. 

1514
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,200
And Janelle didn't come from 
 
that background. 

1515
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,160
That's true. 
 
So she didn't know that like, 

1516
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,640
oh, I'm going to be joining this

 marriage. 

1517
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,453
And not only do I have to answer

 to Kody, but I do have to 

1518
01:22:40,453 --> 01:22:44,320
answer to Meri. 
 
And she's in charge of me as the

1519
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,920
first wife. 
 
So I think that there is bad 

1520
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,080
communication on multiple 
 
levels. 

1521
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:57,440
And when you look at what 
 
happened with Kody's father, he 

1522
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:03,440
is in a plural marriage because 
 of essentially cheating. 

1523
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,920
And he put his wife, his first 

wife, in that position by 

1524
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:12,120
essentially cheating. 
 
And it's Polly under duress. 

1525
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,520
But you know, the woman is 
 
subservient. 

1526
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,040
So I had to step back and say, 

OK, I guess this is all right. 

1527
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,800
And yes, we're going to just 
 
change our religion and our 

1528
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,400
outlook on life because the man 
 says it's so. 

1529
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:29,720
And so Kody is used to the 
 
women, like cowing to the man, 

1530
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,040
but he doesn't know how to be 
 
the man. 

1531
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:41,040
So like, how do you get these 
 
women to submit other than just 

1532
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,960
plotting them against each other

 until you're right? 

1533
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,760
I'm curious about the elements 

too of the women. 

1534
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,920
So I totally agree with you 
 
about the Kody perspective or 

1535
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,640
the Kody vibes. 
 
I think there's another thing 

1536
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:01,960
too with them. 
 
I'm having flashbacks to the 

1537
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,440
most recent season of Sister 
 
Wives where Janelle talks about 

1538
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,960
like, shoving food down the sink

 drain because she knew he'd 

1539
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,200
piss Meri off. 
 
Janelle's not some like, 

1540
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,400
delicate flower who was being 
 
stepped on by the big giant 

1541
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,280
Meri. 
 
Like, I think Janelle let's the 

1542
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,360
narrative play out the way it 
 
does because she doesn't look 

1543
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,080
bad. 
 
Meri looks bad. 

1544
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,640
Meri looks like the one who's 
 
the domineering harpy siren 

1545
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,000
bitch. 
 
Everyone wants to. 

1546
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,160
Everyone wants to get. 
 
Everyone wants to hate on Meri, 

1547
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:37,280
but really I don't think 
 
definitely most of the onus has 

1548
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,880
to come on Kody for not doing 
 
anything. 

1549
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,080
Typical man, just to do that. 
 
But. 

1550
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,360
If you're bringing women into 
 
this situation and you're 

1551
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,640
supposed to be the head of the 

household. 

1552
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,000
Yeah. 
 
This is why. 

1553
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,880
Oh God, here she goes, girls. 
 
No, Oh my God, this is exactly 

1554
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,480
why. 
 
It's like, all right, all of the

1555
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:06,560
wars, all of the like, I'm, I'm 
 not even going to go into it, 

1556
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,040
right. 
 
But like, Oh my God, men are so 

1557
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,880
fucking stupid sometimes and 
 
they think they should be in 

1558
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,968
charge and they can't handle it.

 

1559
01:25:14,976 --> 01:25:16,770
Yeah, absolutely prime example 
of it. 
 

1560
01:25:16,778 --> 01:25:20,090
They can't even handle it in a 
situation like this, much less 


1561
01:25:20,098 --> 01:25:21,970
handling a whole country. 
But. 
 

1562
01:25:21,978 --> 01:25:23,552
Yeah, yeah, he's. 
I digress. 
 

1563
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,320
Run away and put his head in the
sand and avoid it. 
 

1564
01:25:26,328 --> 01:25:29,470
And then if anything comes up, 
pit them against each other. 
 

1565
01:25:29,478 --> 01:25:31,420
Yeah, totally. 
Yeah, let me manipulate them 
 

1566
01:25:31,428 --> 01:25:33,640
into thinking that they're the 
ones that are wrong here. 
 

1567
01:25:33,648 --> 01:25:35,294
Oh. 
God, it's messy. 
 

1568
01:25:35,302 --> 01:25:37,974
It is, and they're realizing in 
front of us. 
 

1569
01:25:37,982 --> 01:25:40,996
None of us, yes, and they're 
putting pieces together, but 
 

1570
01:25:41,004 --> 01:25:44,864
also not allowed, not allowing 
each other, not allowing 
 

1571
01:25:44,872 --> 01:25:47,348
themselves to really tear into 
those things. 
 

1572
01:25:47,356 --> 01:25:49,635
Just probably get upset. 
Yeah. 
 

1573
01:25:49,643 --> 01:25:53,555
And, you know, I guess I'll give
Meri kudos for apologizing to 
 

1574
01:25:53,563 --> 01:25:56,780
Janelle once again. 
I can't really read Meri 
 

1575
01:25:56,788 --> 01:26:01,040
sometimes, so sometimes even her
apologies feel a little like, if

1576
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,240

 you need it or like, kind of 
bitchy. 
 

1577
01:26:04,248 --> 01:26:07,316
I don't know. 
Like the way she words things is

1578
01:26:07,316 --> 01:26:11,255

 like, I'm sorry that you feel 
that way or yeah, like Janelle 


1579
01:26:11,263 --> 01:26:16,115
feels that I abused her. 
She's putting like, like the 
 

1580
01:26:16,123 --> 01:26:19,599
feeling on them, which is kind 
of like what you're taught to do

1581
01:26:19,599 --> 01:26:20,920

 in customer service, to be 
honest. 
 

1582
01:26:20,928 --> 01:26:24,774
Like you don't apologize for 
anything because that's like 
 

1583
01:26:24,782 --> 01:26:28,036
admitting wrongdoing. 
But you say like, oh, I'm sorry 

1584
01:26:28,036 --> 01:26:32,038
 you had that experience or that
you felt like it went that way. 

1585
01:26:32,038 --> 01:26:33,680
 
And so she's being very, I'm 

1586
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:39,200
going to put this on them and 
 
not take the blame, but I think 

1587
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,640
these emotions are real. 
 
OK. 

1588
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,000
Yeah, I think that she actually 
 feels really horrible and I 

1589
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,640
don't think she ever would 
 
really mean to abuse somebody. 

1590
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,040
So I think that she is 
 
remorseful. 

1591
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,920
I agree with that. 
 
She literally says something 

1592
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,960
like I didn't know it was too 
 
much at the time. 

1593
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,640
Like she, she might have not 
 
known. 

1594
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,400
I don't know. 
 
I just feel bad for both of them

1595
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,000
and I feel like Kody did feel 
 
them because if you're going to 

1596
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,800
position yourself in this like 

power role and then you're not 

1597
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,720
stepping up to fulfill it, you 

are letting the people down. 

1598
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:20,160
That's true. 
 
That's true. 

1599
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,480
That's like, just like a parent 
 with like 2 little kids, you 

1600
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:27,760
know, you're the parent, you're 
 letting them down. 

1601
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,120
We have to think of it like 
 
these women are kind of raised 

1602
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,120
to be subservient and, like, 
 
childlike in some ways. 

1603
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,040
And if, like, you know, if a 
 
parent's not stepping it up, 

1604
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:42,520
kids aren't equipped to handle 

the situation, then of course, 

1605
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,560
they're like, set up to fail. 
 
Yeah. 

1606
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:48,520
Interesting transition point 
 
because then Joe starts talking 

1607
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,960
about his business background 
 
and how he wanted to make a 

1608
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,880
mission statement for their 
 
family because he always saw the

1609
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,560
value in that. 
 
I've been a part of a few 

1610
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,400
mission statement exercises at 

workplaces. 

1611
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,160
And not necessarily like, oh, 
 
you're going to put it on a 

1612
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,360
billboard or you're going to 
 
have it be your whatever, but 

1613
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,800
like literally what is the 
 
mission of your team? 

1614
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,200
What is your goal when you're 
 
coming to a decision point, when

1615
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,680
you're doing whatever, what is 

the priority? 

1616
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,960
And this seems like it's 
 
triggered because of Kody's 

1617
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,720
inability to lead his family. 
 
And they're sharing an example 

1618
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,920
of it. 
 
It shows like hello this is what

1619
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,240
I've done. 
 
Joe says that he was surprised 

1620
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,200
by how the conversation took a 

turn when it came to the 

1621
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,320
kitchen. 
 
Yeah. 

1622
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,200
And so he brought up that he was

 a business major and that he 

1623
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,440
made the wives write a mission 

statement and that all of the 

1624
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:49,080
wives separated and had time to 
 write their own mission 

1625
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,760
statement. 
 
And then they came together and 

1626
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:57,840
took the parts that they each 
 
wanted and put it into one 

1627
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,360
family mission statement. 
 
And Vicki again makes a comment 

1628
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,080
like, what am I willing to 
 
sacrifice for this? 

1629
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,480
What am I willing to sacrifice 

for the family that I want and 

1630
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:10,440
that I believe is like my true 

calling? 

1631
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,800
And then Joe calls out again, 
 
like, this is not for a moment. 

1632
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,880
This is for forever. 
 
It is do or die. 

1633
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:22,560
He literally says So for him, 
 
he's like, if I am running like 

1634
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:27,640
my household, I am running it 
 
like a business and like I'm 

1635
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,880
getting us to heaven. 
 
I'm getting yes it's for 

1636
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,960
eternity and he makes. 
 
Us all in there. 

1637
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,920
He's not making. 
 
It's no joke. 

1638
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,720
And then this leads into them 
 
talking about how Joe gets to 

1639
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:43,000
see his kids every day. 
 
And I thought this was a very 

1640
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:47,400
interesting point because I 
 
don't know if they're aware. 

1641
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,400
I mean, obviously they must know

 that Kody's with the four 

1642
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,920
houses. 
 
There's some things it didn't 

1643
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,560
come across as too much of A 
 
dig, but it's like a no. 

1644
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,400
It's important for me to see my 
 kids every day. 

1645
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,280
That is part of their, I didn't 
 share their mission statement, 

1646
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,280
but I'm sure it's a crucial part

 of their mission statement is 

1647
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,280
that they are together every 
 
day. 

1648
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,920
That's their family and it's 
 
important. 

1649
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,160
Kody's bed checks, man. 
 
They're not happening. 

1650
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,400
Oh yeah, no, those, yeah, those 
 bed checks. 

1651
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,720
Yeah. 
 
So with the Dargers, you know, 

1652
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,720
bragging about their great 
 
family and how he's run like a 

1653
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,160
business sailing and they have 

record profits every quarter, 

1654
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,200
you know, they're back on the 
 
couch with the Browns and Kody 

1655
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,240
asks if they should make a 
 
mission statement. 

1656
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,560
And once again, we get to hear 

from every wife, which they tend

1657
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,400
to do. 
 
And like, that's all good. 

1658
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,320
Robyn says yes, she'd love to do

 a mission statement. 

1659
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,400
Meri says sure, I'd be happy to 
 do so. 

1660
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,200
Christine says I always wanted 

one. 

1661
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,680
I've always dreamed of a mission

 statement. 

1662
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,240
And then we get to Janelle and 

she says I don't see the value, 

1663
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:04,120
but I'll do it. 
 
He's like, OK, Janelle, all 

1664
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,160
right. 
 
I mean, she's, I don't know if I

1665
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,200
want to say I don't like this 
 
about her, but she phones in so 

1666
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,240
much stuff sometimes. 
 
Like it's like bitch, be a 

1667
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,560
participant in your own life. 
 
I feel like she seems defeated 

1668
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:20,440
because she was the one that was

 all about, no, we need to have

1669
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:23,560
the homes together. 
 
We need to be together for the 

1670
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,800
children. 
 
If you think back to the first 

1671
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,320
season, she was all about 
 
together and togetherness and 

1672
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:34,800
raising the children together. 

And you know, if you go back to 

1673
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,920
that and then you come to now 
 
and you're talking about the 

1674
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:44,240
house budgets, and I think she's

 been beaten down and she seems

1675
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,520
super defeated. 
 
Because I think if you would 

1676
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,280
have asked Janelle this in 
 
Season 1, even Season 2, she 

1677
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,760
would have been like gung ho 
 
about it. 

1678
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:57,640
But she could fucking care less 
 right now. 

1679
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,040
Yeah, that's definitely the 
 
vibe. 

1680
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,040
Yeah. 
 
Meri jokes that it's just 

1681
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,520
another thing they can take on 

board from the Dargers. 

1682
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,847
She's like, I could take another

 thing on board from the 

1683
01:32:08,847 --> 01:32:11,830
Dargers. 
And she's talking about Joe's 
 

1684
01:32:11,838 --> 01:32:18,184
big bald head. 
We cut back to the table. 
 

1685
01:32:18,192 --> 01:32:20,360
They're all talking about taking
another trip next year. 
 

1686
01:32:20,368 --> 01:32:22,676
Ha ha, ha, ha. 
Look at our plague trip. 
 

1687
01:32:22,684 --> 01:32:25,090
Look at us polygamous. 
They're having so much fun. 
 

1688
01:32:25,098 --> 01:32:28,220
Janelle talks about how 
monogamous have many examples of

1689
01:32:28,220 --> 01:32:32,272

 how other people live their 
lives and they see all these 
 

1690
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,132
things and polygamous have 
fewer. 
 

1691
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:38,172
And this always strikes with me,
and I've talked about it before 

1692
01:32:38,172 --> 01:32:41,720
 on this show, that like as a 
little homosexual who is still 


1693
01:32:41,728 --> 01:32:45,455
in the closet, you know, I 
didn't have many examples of 
 

1694
01:32:45,463 --> 01:32:48,822
queer people growing up. 
And the ones that were there 
 

1695
01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:53,022
were like either a stupid waiter
that was silly or a tragic 
 

1696
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:56,820
victim, someone who was on their
deathbed or they were shunned by

1697
01:32:56,820 --> 01:32:58,600

 society, living in the 
shadows. 

1698
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,280
So there is an element of truth 
 to that, and I get it. 

1699
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,120
I think it's hard to carve your 
 own. 

1700
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,560
It's easier for me to have 
 
carved my own path because I am 

1701
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,680
by myself, doing my thing. 
 
Whatever. 

1702
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,360
When you're building a community

 as a family, like your own 

1703
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:19,280
little unit, that's there's so 

many more complications and so 

1704
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:20,720
many more layers. 
 
Yeah. 

1705
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,880
And at the time, like, you know,

 they're doing voice overs from

1706
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,720
Janelle and Kody talking about 

family and what it means, and 

1707
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,800
they're giving shots of all of 

the homes like these sepia 

1708
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,000
shots. 
 
Oh, of the of their current 

1709
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,800
homes outside. 
 
Yeah, yeah. 

1710
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:44,200
And then we get a comment from 

the Dargers and they think that 

1711
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,000
the Browns just have chaotic 
 
bliss. 

1712
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,320
They're living in chaotic bliss.

 

1713
01:33:50,328 --> 01:33:54,640
Chaotic bliss and Kody says, 
well, we've moved from reacting 

1714
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,936
 to situations to planning for 
them and I'm going. 
 

1715
01:33:57,944 --> 01:34:01,574
I think that's a bit optimistic 
of your view. 
 

1716
01:34:01,582 --> 01:34:06,335
Like, OK, so after three seasons
now or two, let's go with two. 


1717
01:34:06,343 --> 01:34:09,975
You finally got a pre approval 
and may be able to afford some 


1718
01:34:09,983 --> 01:34:11,940
homes. 
So I don't know. 
 

1719
01:34:11,948 --> 01:34:13,912
You literally thought you're 
going to move into a rich 
 

1720
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,429
person's house that was 
evacuated in a Russian had four 

1721
01:34:16,429 --> 01:34:18,820
 kitchens. 
You are not a planner, Sir. 
 

1722
01:34:18,828 --> 01:34:22,148
You are reacting to situations. 
Still, what a joke. 
 

1723
01:34:22,156 --> 01:34:27,326
But then, he says, the homes are
the first big plan we finally 
 

1724
01:34:27,334 --> 01:34:29,688
have. 
It's a beautiful thing. 
 

1725
01:34:29,696 --> 01:34:32,802
Christine says that I think the 
houses are going to be better 
 

1726
01:34:32,810 --> 01:34:35,566
than what we had in Lehigh. 
Interesting foreshadowing. 
 

1727
01:34:35,574 --> 01:34:41,942
Not only that it's not going to 
be better, but that she doesn't 

1728
01:34:41,942 --> 01:34:45,380
 want to live with the other 
women. 
 

1729
01:34:45,388 --> 01:34:48,680
She does not want to live with 
her sister wives. 
 

1730
01:34:48,688 --> 01:34:54,595
And then we cut away with 
another gorgeous Ariel shot of 


1731
01:34:54,603 --> 01:34:58,972
the cul-de-sac. 
Oh, Meri leaves us with these 
 

1732
01:34:58,980 --> 01:35:01,940
words. 
There will be another learning 


1733
01:35:01,948 --> 01:35:04,870
curve. 
What the fuck? 
 

1734
01:35:04,878 --> 01:35:07,582
So. 
So we're floating away with the 

1735
01:35:07,582 --> 01:35:12,680
 cul de sacs and Meri's quote. 
And it's just a disaster. 
 

1736
01:35:12,688 --> 01:35:16,078
This family is a mess. 
If you guys are still here with 

1737
01:35:16,078 --> 01:35:17,676
 us, we made it through the 
episode. 
 

1738
01:35:17,684 --> 01:35:23,620
There is a coming up on at the 
end, which Kimber had a visceral

1739
01:35:23,620 --> 01:35:27,216

 reaction to because in our 
next episode, those of you 

1740
01:35:27,216 --> 01:35:30,760
who've 
 seen the show know that
what I'm going to talk about, 

1741
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,600
which is 
 the debate discussion
with the Browns and some former 

1742
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:38,300
 polygamists who are all like, 
girl, this ain't right, This 
 

1743
01:35:38,308 --> 01:35:42,208
ain't right, this is bad. 
And we get that girl with the 
 

1744
01:35:42,216 --> 01:35:45,751
bleach, bleach, bleach. 
Kimber, I would like for you to 

1745
01:35:45,751 --> 01:35:48,035
 actually describe what this 
woman looks like, 'cause I'm, 
 

1746
01:35:48,043 --> 01:35:49,903
I'm, I'm not going to give it 
justice. 
 

1747
01:35:49,911 --> 01:35:53,949
That hair is fried, dyed and 
laid to the side. 
 

1748
01:35:53,957 --> 01:35:57,660
And it is. 
Blown back upward and 
 

1749
01:35:57,668 --> 01:36:03,288
hairsprayed to the high heavens.
And it is so far gone that it's 

1750
01:36:03,288 --> 01:36:05,135
 behind Jesus's back. 
It's so good. 
 

1751
01:36:05,143 --> 01:36:08,800
I was like, Kimberly, you look 
like this girl I think I've 
 

1752
01:36:08,808 --> 01:36:10,264
seen. 
Photos where you kind? 
 

1753
01:36:10,272 --> 01:36:11,618
Of. 
You kind of look. 
 

1754
01:36:11,626 --> 01:36:14,576
Like this girl? 
No, my head the. 
 

1755
01:36:14,584 --> 01:36:16,132
Side of my head was fully 
shaved. 
 

1756
01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:20,805
I was a little more aggressive. 
You were a little more emo. 
 

1757
01:36:20,813 --> 01:36:26,180
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. 
Taken aback by this. 
 

1758
01:36:26,188 --> 01:36:30,958
Side to be coming. 
What are they to be coming? 
 

1759
01:36:30,966 --> 01:36:34,220
What do they call it? 
I just call it coming up on so I

1760
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:36,680

 don't know what the next 
episode, next episode dot. 
 

1761
01:36:36,688 --> 01:36:39,320
Dot, dot, are you familiar with 
this girl? 
 

1762
01:36:39,328 --> 01:36:40,995
Do you know who she is? 
No. 
 

1763
01:36:41,003 --> 01:36:47,056
OK, see this, what I love is 
like she's a bit of a she's a 
 

1764
01:36:47,064 --> 01:36:50,230
benchmark in this show. 
Like next step is I'm really 
 

1765
01:36:50,238 --> 01:36:53,440
looking forward to next episode 
because she lets them have it. 


1766
01:36:53,448 --> 01:36:56,009
OK, and she looks the way she 
looks. 
 

1767
01:36:56,017 --> 01:36:59,640
What I got to say is I watched. 
The first. 
 

1768
01:36:59,648 --> 01:37:03,024
Probably like 3. 
Seasons of the show while they 


1769
01:37:03,032 --> 01:37:08,390
were airing in real time. 
And then as a reminder, like 
 

1770
01:37:08,398 --> 01:37:12,488
I've said, I've seen snippets 
here and there on social media 


1771
01:37:12,496 --> 01:37:16,620
and like little updates. 
And then when this podcast 
 

1772
01:37:16,628 --> 01:37:21,865
started, I didn't start watching
again, but I was listening. 
 

1773
01:37:21,873 --> 01:37:27,760
And when we decided to take on 
this adventure together as bosom

1774
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:33,440

 buddies, I decided that I 
wouldn't watch anything or even 

1775
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:38,965
 watch clips on social media. 
I've been avoiding it because I 

1776
01:37:38,965 --> 01:37:43,594
 want real time like reactions 
from myself and I want to learn 

1777
01:37:43,594 --> 01:37:47,315
 as I would have learned the 
first time watching it through. 

1778
01:37:47,315 --> 01:37:49,320
 
Yes, I'm just so looking forward

1779
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,960
to hearing your opinions about 

this girl, because she is. 

1780
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:58,120
Young, sassy, bleach blonde, 
 
lots of eye makeup and she knows

1781
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,640
everything. 
 
OK, so I'm excited to hear what 

1782
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,160
you have. 
 
So she's like me, maybe when you

1783
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,720
were younger and you thought. 
 
You knew everything. 

1784
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,480
Not like today, not like today, 
 not like the Harley, not like 

1785
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:14,880
the shrew you are today. 
 
So when we've. 

1786
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,720
Started recording you. 
 
Referenced that you looked up 

1787
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,360
the Dargers because we were 
 
wondering about what was going 

1788
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,600
on with them or who they were. 

And I said I think they might 

1789
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,400
have had a show. 
 
What are we circling back to in 

1790
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,760
your, you know, very deep 
 
scholastic searching? 

1791
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,360
Yeah. 
 
So this was two years ago. 

1792
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,960
They're still together. 
 
Joe has issued a public 

1793
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,640
criticism of Kody, and he has 
 
blamed the demise of the family 

1794
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,600
on Kody. 
 
That's kind of all I know. 

1795
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,960
He's still married to them, I 
 
think. 

1796
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:57,080
And Oh my God, this gets even 
 
worse. 

1797
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:03,320
He married Alina and Vicki, who 
 are cousins, on the same day 

1798
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:07,908
and then ten years later he 
married 
 Vicky's twin sister, 

1799
01:39:07,908 --> 01:39:10,320
Valerie Val. 
 
They didn't tell us that they 

1800
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,080
were cousins. 
 
Incidentally, Joe's. 

1801
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:19,320
Late uncle was the ex. 
 
Husband of Christine Brown's 

1802
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:26,280
anti polygamist aunt, right? 
 
This shit gets even crazier. 

1803
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,540
Apparently they filmed a pilot. 
 

1804
01:39:28,548 --> 01:39:32,680
For a proposed reality show 
house full of spouses. 
 

1805
01:39:32,688 --> 01:39:35,760
And they gained notoriety 
through the book so they didn't 

1806
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,342
 have a show. 
It was the book love times 3. 
 

1807
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:44,198
So they were trying to get their
own show basically is what I'm 


1808
01:39:44,206 --> 01:39:49,524
assuming they wrote a book. 
I wonder if it's any better than

1809
01:39:49,524 --> 01:39:52,466

 becoming sister wise. 
And then they filmed a. 
 

1810
01:39:52,474 --> 01:39:55,970
Pilot for a show called House 
Full of Spouses. 
 

1811
01:39:55,978 --> 01:40:01,275
Oh, God, I love this. 
The Google AI thing says Joe 
 

1812
01:40:01,283 --> 01:40:05,650
Darger is married to twin 
sisters Vicki and Valerie and 
 

1813
01:40:05,658 --> 01:40:09,748
their cousin Alina. 
Yeah, whoa. 
 

1814
01:40:09,756 --> 01:40:14,052
People are like to. 
Be honest, the family creeped me

1815
01:40:14,052 --> 01:40:15,160

 out. 
They're weird. 
 

1816
01:40:15,168 --> 01:40:15,944
Blah. 
Blah blah. 
 

1817
01:40:15,952 --> 01:40:18,410
And I'm like. 
This so interesting because like

1818
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:22,659

 I didn't get that. 
I got they just know what they 


1819
01:40:22,667 --> 01:40:24,886
want and they're like more 
regimented. 
 

1820
01:40:24,894 --> 01:40:30,020
Wow, I totally thought they had 
their own show. 
 

1821
01:40:30,028 --> 01:40:30,960
I. 
Didn't. 
 

1822
01:40:30,968 --> 01:40:34,920
I did not know or think that, 
but I was thinking. 
 

1823
01:40:34,928 --> 01:40:38,448
Like it would be interesting if 
they had done a spinoff with 
 

1824
01:40:38,456 --> 01:40:43,806
another family, you know? 
To me they didn't seem terribly 

1825
01:40:43,806 --> 01:40:45,100
 creepy. 
Or weird. 
 

1826
01:40:45,108 --> 01:40:48,417
Or strange. 
It's hard to say that about a 
 

1827
01:40:48,425 --> 01:40:52,282
family like this when you read 
the bullet points on a Google 
 

1828
01:40:52,290 --> 01:40:56,132
search and it's like Joe Darger 
married twin sisters and then 
 

1829
01:40:56,140 --> 01:41:04,040
their cousin like, Oh my God. 
Oh no you guys this is don't 
 

1830
01:41:04,048 --> 01:41:07,792
know what is happening. 
My entire existence just 
 

1831
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,622
crumbled in front of my eyes. 
Apparently one of the sons has 


1832
01:41:10,630 --> 01:41:13,346
stated that he was like a 
general and the wives and kids 


1833
01:41:13,354 --> 01:41:16,502
were like his foot soldiers. 
Which is hilarious because I did

1834
01:41:16,502 --> 01:41:21,240

 just compare them to like a 
military leader versus like a 
 

1835
01:41:21,248 --> 01:41:23,536
Boy Scout leader. 
You totally. 
 

1836
01:41:23,544 --> 01:41:30,452
Yeah, I guess I, I just got to 
say like, any of these things, 


1837
01:41:30,460 --> 01:41:34,280
like are problematic, you know 
what I mean? 
 

1838
01:41:34,288 --> 01:41:36,400
Like, yeah, there's problems 
everywhere. 
 

1839
01:41:36,408 --> 01:41:40,264
And you like you cannot. 
Just based. 
 

1840
01:41:40,272 --> 01:41:45,800
On one episode judge anybody. 
I mean, I think it's hard to put

1841
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:50,722

 on a complete front like I 
think I think that but then also

1842
01:41:50,722 --> 01:41:54,452
like 
 narcissists are very good
at putting on a complete front. 

1843
01:41:54,452 --> 01:41:55,160
 
That's true. 

1844
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,280
The also some of these search 
 
results connect. 

1845
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:03,800
Big Love, that scripted show, 
 
they are considered inspiration 

1846
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,840
for the HBO series Big Love, 
 
specifically the character Bill 

1847
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,200
Hendrickson. 
 
And they knew the actor Bill 

1848
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:14,200
Paxton, who played the lead in 

Big Love. 

1849
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,120
God, this is even their story 
 
and the connectivity to this 

1850
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,320
show is incestuous. 
 
And that's not even talking 

1851
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:26,760
about how they're incestuous. 
 
Yeah, I am going to have to like

1852
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:30,160
put together a list of. 
 
Shows that I think that people 

1853
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,480
should watch if they're 
 
interested even further in the 

1854
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:39,400
history of Mormonism and 
 
polygamy because I just think 

1855
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:44,360
that there is there's a lot of 

any time it comes to religion, 

1856
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,120
right? 
 
There's a lot of crazy history 

1857
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:54,320
and manipulation and I, I truly 
 think a lot of religion was set

1858
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,520
up by the higher ups as a 
 
manipulation tactic, right? 

1859
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:06,320
And I think a lot of these 
 
people are brainwashed. 

1860
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,760
I don't know, I, I'm a bit 
 
speechless. 

1861
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:13,680
I know, I feel. 
 
Like bring it back. 

1862
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,160
It's so weird. 
 
It's just so weird. 

1863
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:20,280
That we just rehashed. 
 
This entire episode and then to 

1864
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:22,680
find out these things that were 
 not presented. 

1865
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:28,200
It's also another example of 
 
reality TV editing producers 

1866
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,240
some, they were setting up this 
 whole thing to try to get these

1867
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,480
people a show. 
 
They were trying to sell a book 

1868
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:35,800
or they sold a book. 
 
They were doing these things 

1869
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,640
meanwhile. 
 
I mean, I guess it's just taking

1870
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,800
what we already knew and making 
 it a little worse. 

1871
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,200
I can't believe that they were 

cousins that married the same 

1872
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,160
man. 
 
Tin foil hats, baby. 

1873
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,054
I got to say, I'm very curious. 
 

1874
01:43:51,062 --> 01:43:53,845
I want. 
To do some more like digging 
 

1875
01:43:53,853 --> 01:43:57,335
into this family because the 
wool could have been pulled over

1876
01:43:57,335 --> 01:44:00,502

 on our eyes. 
It, you know, like it very well 

1877
01:44:00,502 --> 01:44:02,330
 could have been like it has 
been with Kody. 
 

1878
01:44:02,338 --> 01:44:05,587
Like narcissists have a good way
of like hiding their true 
 

1879
01:44:05,595 --> 01:44:07,795
colors. 
Who knows what's really going on

1880
01:44:07,795 --> 01:44:09,764

 here? 
The sun was speaking for all of 

1881
01:44:09,764 --> 01:44:14,005
 the children in the one scene. 
Who knows what that means? 
 

1882
01:44:14,013 --> 01:44:19,826
So I think that to really draw 
conclusions, I don't want to 
 

1883
01:44:19,834 --> 01:44:23,900
ruin the Brown story for myself,
which is why I haven't been 
 

1884
01:44:23,908 --> 01:44:26,102
watching stuff. 
But I I'm going to look into 
 

1885
01:44:26,110 --> 01:44:30,080
this and maybe at the start of 
next episode, we'll come back 
 

1886
01:44:30,088 --> 01:44:33,700
with some answers about where 
this family is at today, because

1887
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:35,160

 I don't think that'll ruin 
stuff. 
 

1888
01:44:35,168 --> 01:44:37,695
I don't know. 
We'll figure out interesting way

1889
01:44:37,695 --> 01:44:40,890

 to end this episode because 
the next episode is about the. 


1890
01:44:40,898 --> 01:44:44,840
Browns being criticized for 
being polygamous, so, you know, 

1891
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:47,600
 there's some tie insurance. 
OK. 
 

1892
01:44:47,608 --> 01:44:50,485
The Dargers. 
Man, I don't even know what to 


1893
01:44:50,493 --> 01:44:52,080
say. 
Oh my God, Yeah. 
 

1894
01:44:52,088 --> 01:44:53,554
I don't. 
Know, yeah, mind blown. 
 

1895
01:44:53,562 --> 01:44:55,492
We're going to look into it a 
little bit. 
 

1896
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:59,470
I want to come back. 
With some answers for everybody.

1897
01:44:59,470 --> 01:45:01,240

 
I love it. 

1898
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,480
I love it. 
 
This is going to help me with my

1899
01:45:03,480 --> 01:45:07,120
shit stain, that's for sure. 
 
So darling, would you like to 

1900
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,200
start with your mustard seed for

 this episode? 

1901
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:13,120
Who really made you feel like 
 
they could be a tree under the 

1902
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:17,840
sun for the children to sit 
 
under and get some shade when 

1903
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:18,760
they grow up? 
 
Because you. 

1904
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,880
Know now they're just a seed. 
 
Going in the ground, everybody 

1905
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,880
in this episode seemed very 
 
like. 

1906
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,640
We're putting on a happy face, 

yes. 

1907
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:31,600
And like we're doing this. 
 
Agreed. 

1908
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:35,760
And I don't know if anybody, 
 
like, truly shone through the 

1909
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:44,120
clouds for me, but I would 
 
probably say that it was 

1910
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,040
Christine. 
 
Okay? 

1911
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:52,040
There's really no other reason 

than like, her blind optimism. 

1912
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:57,240
Yeah, like she's talking about 

oh, like. 

1913
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,320
I'd be open to. 
 
One of like the kids getting 

1914
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,720
like married to one of the other

 kids, like we're friends with 

1915
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:08,160
them. 
 
And like, her naivete is like 

1916
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:13,120
endearing sometimes. 
 
And I think she was like truly 

1917
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,970
raised in this religion and like

 raised like a little Princess 

1918
01:46:16,970 --> 01:46:21,960
in her family. 
 
And I really think she's like so

1919
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:26,720
naive sometimes. 
 
And that's not usually like a, 

1920
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,520
an endearing quality. 
 
But in episodes like this or 

1921
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:36,160
sometimes when you're like 
 
screaming out loud, why does 

1922
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:40,240
nobody see this? 
 
At least I can look to her and 

1923
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:46,640
be like, I think because she 
 
really, truly doesn't see this 

1924
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,695
because she was raised in it and

 like her family is this type 

1925
01:46:49,695 --> 01:46:52,040
of way. 
 
And I don't know, I think there 

1926
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:57,560
is a lot of sincerity to her 
 
because she's so naive and she 

1927
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,840
has a lot of little like cute 
 
moments throughout that episode 

1928
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,080
that are drawn back to the 
 
naivete. 

1929
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,360
That's all I that's like all 
 
like, I really don't think 

1930
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,200
there's a shining star here. 
 
No, there definitely is not. 

1931
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,636
I think I'm going to default to.

 

1932
01:47:14,644 --> 01:47:21,260
Giving my mustard seed to Logan 
because when the kids were at 
 

1933
01:47:21,268 --> 01:47:26,160
the Cruising Cafe 101, he was 
speaking for the. 
 

1934
01:47:26,168 --> 01:47:30,405
Family in a way that. 
Didn't feel terrible to me and 


1935
01:47:30,413 --> 01:47:34,494
realistically if we're picking a
mustard seed on this episode, it

1936
01:47:34,494 --> 01:47:37,381

 is slim pickings. 
There's like nothing. 
 

1937
01:47:37,389 --> 01:47:43,024
That was great. 
It was a 44 minute episode of 50

1938
01:47:43,024 --> 01:47:47,590

 people going on vacation and I
don't really like any of them. 


1939
01:47:47,598 --> 01:47:49,880
And now that the episode's 
ending, I'm like, I definitely 


1940
01:47:49,888 --> 01:47:53,175
don't like them. 
Like back and forth and back and

1941
01:47:53,175 --> 01:47:55,896

 forth and like, it was weird. 
I don't know I'm. 
 

1942
01:47:55,904 --> 01:47:58,508
Going to give it to Logan 'cause
I don't really see anybody. 
 

1943
01:47:58,516 --> 01:48:01,180
Else worthy of it. 
So that's what I'm defaulting 
 

1944
01:48:01,188 --> 01:48:03,412
to. 
And I mean, I'm Team Logan, so 


1945
01:48:03,420 --> 01:48:07,060
I'll give it to Logan, yeah. 
Now shit stain. 
 

1946
01:48:07,068 --> 01:48:15,364
I'm going to give my shit stain.
To Carl, and don't you fucking 


1947
01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:20,280
get mad at me 'cause it's not. 
I can't remember. 
 

1948
01:48:20,288 --> 01:48:25,264
'Cause. 
He had .5 seconds on a show that

1949
01:48:25,264 --> 01:48:31,478

 he knew he was being filmed 
for and he's in charge of being 

1950
01:48:31,478 --> 01:48:37,434
a 
 face for a business. 
And he says a sexist joke about 

1951
01:48:37,434 --> 01:48:42,760
 having a daughter and a female 
dog, a female dog. 
 

1952
01:48:42,768 --> 01:48:48,762
And he's got too many chicks in 
his life and he's getting them 


1953
01:48:48,770 --> 01:48:52,920
left, right and center and God 
damn it, he's beating them off 


1954
01:48:52,928 --> 01:48:56,122
with sticks. 
And you know my rental business 

1955
01:48:56,122 --> 01:49:01,020
 here, Carl, if that's your real
name, you sexist bastard. 
 

1956
01:49:01,028 --> 01:49:08,292
And I you know what if the. 
Brown Curse If the brown curse 


1957
01:49:08,300 --> 01:49:13,286
is true, Carl's rental place, 
does it still exist or has it 
 

1958
01:49:13,294 --> 01:49:15,675
been browned? 
Browned. 
 

1959
01:49:15,683 --> 01:49:19,120
He's making a big X with his 
arms right now. 
 

1960
01:49:19,128 --> 01:49:22,635
I love that. 
Thank you for the comment left 


1961
01:49:22,643 --> 01:49:28,100
recently on The Artful Potter. 
Artful Potter, it has been 
 

1962
01:49:28,108 --> 01:49:29,464
brought. 
It is goodbye. 
 

1963
01:49:29,472 --> 01:49:30,240
You're there? 
Yeah. 
 

1964
01:49:30,248 --> 01:49:32,227
Goodbye. 
Goodbye. 
 

1965
01:49:32,235 --> 01:49:36,144
Yeah, definitely. 
He's terrible. 
 

1966
01:49:36,152 --> 01:49:38,120
We all know everyone's fucking 
terrible. 
 

1967
01:49:38,128 --> 01:49:41,218
In the family. 
So I just got to say that I 
 

1968
01:49:41,226 --> 01:49:43,562
know. 
I think my shit stain I feel 
 

1969
01:49:43,570 --> 01:49:49,080
like I have to give it to. 
Joe Darger because like you, 
 

1970
01:49:49,088 --> 01:49:55,335
married cousins and then married
one of their twin sisters. 
 

1971
01:49:55,343 --> 01:49:59,145
I am in shock. 
They did not tell us that they 


1972
01:49:59,153 --> 01:50:00,850
were. 
Cousins in this episode. 
 

1973
01:50:00,858 --> 01:50:04,925
Which is a production issue. 
It's not necessarily his issue, 

1974
01:50:04,925 --> 01:50:10,640
 but he married Cousins on the 
same day that look like twins. 


1975
01:50:10,648 --> 01:50:12,714
Yeah. 
And I feel like we were, like, 


1976
01:50:12,722 --> 01:50:14,960
one of the twins. 
This is it like. 
 

1977
01:50:14,968 --> 01:50:18,080
I went from going like, this 
guy's not that. 
 

1978
01:50:18,088 --> 01:50:22,320
Bad to this guy's terrible. 
I literally with blind optimism 

1979
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,886
 was watching this whole episode
like. 
 

1980
01:50:24,894 --> 01:50:29,120
You should be the outline for 
the Browns like. 
 

1981
01:50:29,128 --> 01:50:30,587
What are the? 
Browns. 
 

1982
01:50:30,595 --> 01:50:35,775
What are the Browns doing? 
And now I'm like, what are the 


1983
01:50:35,783 --> 01:50:37,224
Dargers? 
Doing and not like. 
 

1984
01:50:37,232 --> 01:50:40,614
As if I didn't already think 
marrying sisters was bad and I 


1985
01:50:40,622 --> 01:50:45,068
know but I was giving him like a
pass because I was like we were 

1986
01:50:45,068 --> 01:50:47,292
 being way. 
Too generous to. 
 

1987
01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:51,920
Him way too generous. 
The big bald. 
 

1988
01:50:51,928 --> 01:50:54,200
And intimidating. 
Joe Darger. 
 

1989
01:50:54,208 --> 01:50:56,988
Oh, wow. 
I am. 
 

1990
01:50:56,996 --> 01:51:00,325
I am in shock. 
We're in shock. 
 

1991
01:51:00,333 --> 01:51:03,040
Shock shooketh to the core. 
In shock. 
 

1992
01:51:03,048 --> 01:51:05,087
I just don't even know what to 
say. 
 

1993
01:51:05,095 --> 01:51:07,214
Our keep sweet moment this 
episode. 
 

1994
01:51:07,222 --> 01:51:11,592
Comes to us from Spotify. 
It is a comment from Fab Poppy. 

1995
01:51:11,592 --> 01:51:12,840
 
Hello Fab Poppy. 

1996
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,600
Hello Poppy. 
 
Fab Poppy says. 

1997
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,040
I've binged all the previous 
 
episodes. 

1998
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,320
And finally. 
 
Caught up to today and now I 

1999
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:22,080
feel lost. 
 
What do you mean? 

2000
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,120
I have to wait a week for a new 
 episode now? 

2001
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:28,520
I love your show. 
 
Well, fab Poppy, you know, 

2002
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:33,520
hopefully you have as low 
 
opinion about the Darkers as I 

2003
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,960
do. 
 
Now I'm rendered speechless on a

2004
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:38,800
podcast. 
 
I don't even know what to say. 

2005
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:41,000
Buy me a Margarita? 
 
Well, this is it. 

2006
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,840
Maybe the tequila clouded my 
 
judgment and I thought that. 

2007
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,720
Joe Darger was a good. 
 
Guy, but turns out he's just 

2008
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,440
like a big penis. 
 
Honey, what's been your excuse 

2009
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,880
for the last? 
 
Like I won't even say how many 

2010
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:54,160
years then. 
 
How do you say touché in 

2011
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:54,800
Spanish?