You will pay with your soul one day, Welcome to Splintered
Spirits, the Paranormal podcast hosted by me, Gary, and my
nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal.
Our guest this week is Lori Bruno, an Italian American
hereditary high priestess and elder of the Sicilian Strega
lineage. She's a witch folks.
Born into a family with teachings dating back to at
least the 10th century. Founder of the non
denominational are Lord and Lady of the Trinocarian Rose Church
and former owner of the now closed Magica, her renowned
spiritual shop in Salem, MA. That's right, Laurie is not just
any witch. She's a Salem witch, and she has
spent decades performing psychic readings, healing rituals, and
even assisting law enforcement in missing persons cases, all
while preserving ancient stragarian traditions.
Known affectionately as Strega Nona, or the Witch of Salem,
she's as notable for her warm, grandmotherly demeanor.
I love you being her signature sign off as she is for her
powerful work curing sick animals, blessing homes during
downturns. Look, let's just dive right into
the conversation. Hey, everybody, we are here with
Lori Bruno, the John. This is a real Salem witch.
Awesome. Hello and thank you so much for
being here. Thank you for having me.
I, I like to start out asking everyone the same question to
start just to get a sort of baseline where everyone's belief
system is and what what we do. So so Lori, what do you think
spirits are and what happens when we die?
What spirits are is the essence of the soul and the light that
surrounds them. That is what spirits are and
what they ought to be in the other world is when they want to
come to let us see them. OK, but the spirit is that
essence of the soul that never dies.
It's a circle which never dies. When you say soul, is it from
like sort of your like a religious background or is it
something you know is there? Is it another or scientific
back, you know, like where do you come up with soul?
Is it based in like a Catholicism soul how we think of
it? The soul is in everything, even
if a rock has a soul. Oh, I said something that's kind
of strange, didn't I? That's a that's a Native
American belief. The Native Americans believe
that it's. It's, you know, so a belief.
Damn it, we had tech issues this entire episode.
Right now everyone's frozen tech.
John, are you still there? I'm still here.
But she just Lori's talking about one of her great ancestors
in the 1600s. Italy.
And he became a Dominican monk and he was chastised for his
belief. He said the earth went around
the sun and they were on multiplicity of universes.
They condemned him, OK, And they brought him before the
Inquisitional court on February the 11th, 1600.
And what happened is that they condemned him to death.
It's interesting. A few years ago, on February
11th, the Vatican was hit by a Thunderbolt of lightning.
And that's the day they condemned my ancestor.
Quite a few years before that. So February 17th, 1600, they
took him out on the Campo de Fiore.
They put a iron mask in his mouth to not let him speak.
They were afraid of truth. There are two things you can
never hide. The sun and truth.
Oh no, they burned my ancestor. But his thoughts are always here
in my heart and that part of me. And where's the soul?
It is within each and every one of us.
Our ancestors. Soul is there, it's part of the
DNA. The dead are near always, they
never die. Your skin is the skin that
belongs to many people that were before you.
So where is the soul? The Egyptians said the soul
dwells within the heart. That was the only organ that
they left when they embalmed the people.
Yeah, they had to, but that's the that's the scales.
They would put the heart on the scale and you needed it for the
afterlife. Yes, yes, very, very, very well
put. The feather in her hand put it
on the scale and said if it doesn't balance, guess who gets
you? The devourer, which looks like
an alligator. You cannot fool things too long
out there. Let me tell you.
It does come and you will know despair, all right.
Many years ago, during 9/11, I wrote a poem on that morning and
it goes like this. If you'd like me to say it, go.
For it please. In the name of God, how odd.
Walk, condone skull and bone. You forgot there's all right to
hurt your sister and your brother.
Oh, you forgot the Great Mother Garden of Eden.
That's what we're needing. Become a caring nation, not the
uncreation. The God of life, Allah, Buddha,
Christ and Great Mother want humanity to love one another.
Hate not for the religion or colour of the skin or anything
else. Look into the heart.
The soul is within. Create, not destroy.
Make the world filled with joy. This is not odd, it is a place
of Goddess in God, a balance of creation.
Become that caring nation, create the love from above and
you will move forth with life forever.
The soul does exist in every one of us, in the stone and
everything there is the soul. Look and you will see.
And from negativity it will be free.
Washington, you need that now more than ever.
That is wow, you have that memorized too.
That is great that. Is wonderful.
I have a good memory. Yes, you do.
I've lived 8585 summers I've lived.
There is no way you lived 85 summers. 8485 Summers.
No, I was born April 27th, 1940, the same day as Ulysses S Grant
lived. That's my mother's birthday.
By the way. Yeah, George Washington was the
father of the country. You listen to this Grant.
Save the Union. Understand me?
All these people wanted humanity to live and not die.
So, you know, it's Laura. It's funny you said February
11th. Another weird coincidence is
this podcast dropped on February 11th.
Isn't that funny? Giordano Bruno is coming to give
you truth. Yes, they, they, they burned him
alive. But the ashes that flew all over
Rome that day ended up in the drinking water, the bread that
the Baker was making. All pieces of salt were there,
and as long as men and women seek the truth, all of those who
perish in flames are never forgotten.
They live and that's right, so. So, Laura, So.
Laura, you, you've been in Salem for how long now?
You've been all your life. You lived in Salem?
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I've moved to Salem at night and that's 2009, OK?
Somebody wanted me to go work with them.
He had held a lot of negativity in him, unfortunately.
I tried to teach him, but he couldn't grasp the light.
He grasped money, made plenty of money, but what is it when you
haven't got respect of people? That he can't take it.
With you, you take all the money you have, forget about.
No, I was born in Brooklyn, NY. Another New Yorker.
New Yorker. Love it.
Who is it?
So, Laurie, I was. Born on Ocean Parkway in New
York and Brooklyn, it's. Amazing.
How many nights? Ago and then I was, I did my
work in the I left when I left young.
I was, I was working in a big company then and I always wanted
to see what my ancestor said, a multiplicity of universes.
So I said, well, and at that time it was 1960 and I said I'd
like to work at NASA, but what can I do?
I said, I'm not an engineer, but I like to draw, haha.
Technical illustration. So I went to school, I learned
and I got a clearance and I went down there and Italian girls
leaving at the age of 20 in 1960.
That's unheard of. But my father said, I trust you
on the other side of the moon, and I went.
So he taught me all the things of our family, the manga, the
church, the teachings of everything.
My father's name was Salvatore Michael.
He was supposed to become a Catholic priest but didn't do
it. Well, let me, let me.
I wanted to ask you that. So is it called stragaria?
Is that what? Stragaria, OK, Stragar is the
folk witch, or what you would call witch, OK.
But the MAGA which my family, they go a little higher up and
that's not, they're not better than anybody else, believe me.
It's just that we go towards the magical learnings of all the
religions of mankind so we can learn to be kind and not be
bigots. So this is what happens.
I'm I'm sorry to cut you off, Lori.
This the the the stragaga. That's also that's more like
like the. Ragadia.
The spaghadia that's. That's the first one have.
Something a a a little bit to do with gypsy, as in like that's
something like like with the root words.
No, no, no, no, no. OK, Gypsies, they came from,
they said Egypt Gypsy. That's it.
No, no, that that I know that I know, but it's very similar to
they have a a form of wish. If I if I'm correct, what would
very similar tongue and very similar work wishes?
Trust me. No, they, No they.
No, they don't. Anyway, what happened is that,
as I was telling you, I went to work at NASA.
I worked in Huntsville, AL and Cape Kennedy also, and I got to
know Doctor Renner von Braun who was Hitler's rocket scientist.
Wow. That's in the moon.
Oh, yes, very strange, but I saw, well, I, my ancestor, the
Russians named the crater on the moon Giordano Bruno.
He's well known in Europe, but he went ahead and he believed so
much that it goes into every one of us in my family that we know
him. But was it hard, Laurie, to be
soul to be that, you know, to, to be practicing what you
practice in as an Italian in New York, where it's so heavily
Catholic? Oh wait a minute my dear, we
have nothing against Jesus Christ.
No, I know, but did the but did the Catholics have an issue
against you? No, it came to my mother a lot
of times. Take away my headaches, take
away. And we need advice as you saved
many families, as I have done. The, the, the lot of big little
secrets are right here and they will stay here.
And some of them were very unsavory people, as you would
say. But I think I would trust a lot
of them more than I would some of these illegal.
And what do you pull again in the in the political office?
At least you knew who they were. They didn't.
They weren't wolves in sheep's clothing.
Well, even, well, even even some of the mafia had a lot of
actually would some would consider ritualistic rights with
the cards and yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm very well acquainted with
all that, yeah. Yeah, some of us have saved
lives of people. Yeah.
Is that amazing? There are a lot of little
secrets. A lot, y'all, Yeah.
Laurie, you've been there. Yeah.
They stay right here. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Laurie do.
You think? Do you think it's your certain
bloodlines, like your own, are more naturally attuned to
communicating with spirits? Yes, I was serious.
However, everyone of you out there have psychic ability.
Everyone of you. If you would take away the fear.
The fear stops you. The fear will always stop
people. OK, see, I don't know if I could
cross the street. That's your first thing.
Yes, I can. Yes, I will.
The will of everything to the spirit world.
All right? Yes.
You see, I've had to learn every religion.
I should buy you so well, I don't know.
I don't know a card, first commandment, Hebrew.
I had to learn everything about Jesus Christ because if I didn't
know all of these things, then Buddha if I didn't.
And every day I teach to learn and I learned to teach.
I don't know it all. I know it is in the heart and
that's what it is. The religion of the magical
energy is in the heart. If you have no heart, forget
about it. It's not where a point he has, I
don't know one. It's not where it is a point and
it's, it's, it's what you'll get to the point when you teach and
you care. You know, I see people sit down
for time in the street. They, they look hungry.
I go put some money in the hand. A friend of mine said, why'd you
do that? Because I can and I will.
That's why I do it. So what?
What is on your day-to-day in your shop?
It's a magic magica magica. Magica, yes, Magica.
Because my landlord, who's a very gracious man, and he's a,
he's a lovely human being, wanted to make it into a condo.
So Mr. Gigolta is a wonderful human being.
I'm so happy that he can make it into the condo.
Bless him, Goddess, bless him. So a restaurant there in town
called Rockefellers ROCKAFELLAS many years ago.
They need a little help. And I told them on February
18th, 20 years ago, they would sign papers and own the
building. It seemed the man was selling
the building where the rest big restaurant big.
It used to be. It's haunted too.
It had was an old church. It was a church, one of the
first churches in Salem. But they made now it went into a
jewelry store. It was a bank.
It was everything. So they finally came to me and
they said David Mckillop, who owns the restaurant.
But we will we be able to get this?
I absolutely will. February 18th next year you'll
sign the papers. That was in October of the
previous year and February 18th he signed the papers.
So when he heard that my shop had to close, he said Laurie, he
and his brother-in-law Kevin said, come here and read out of
our restaurant. And they have been more than
gracious to me and my son. So you go there and you do your
readings. And I do my readings right out
of Rockefeller's restaurant, which is on the corner of
Washington and Essex St. in Salem.
Yes, I gave them a plug. No, that's fine, fine by me.
So and is it is this sort of your I mean is it is the word
witchcraft still the used today or how do story?
About the word. Yeah, please.
The word which? Oh, there you go.
All right, you'll get me. I'll go back.
The word which I was on a television show many years ago.
I was 18 at the time. And they said so.
Yeah. There was a a man, a Muslim
claret. There was a Roman Catholic
priest, a born again Christian, a Protestant, an agnostic.
There was every religion there and a rabbi.
So what is a witch? They said, and they looked at
me. I said the witch is this W
wisdom, I integrity, T truth, C courage, H honor.
Which one of you follow that creed?
I was 18 summers then and the announcer said had a mouth of
babes. And how do you know I'm a babe?
I might be older than you understand.
We do witch reincarnate. What is a witch?
If you have and start running around with a big wand or or
worry the pointy had a big Cape. Some of us don't dress like that
at all. It's witch in here that makes
the magical practitioner, not the clothing you wear.
I've seen some of them with their boobies hanging out.
What is that? No, they're boobs.
That's all they are is boobs. You don't let everything hang
out. Yes, I do wear my jewelry.
I wear the pentacle with the one point up.
Oh, but that's what you saw. I said.
Now I'm going to surprise you. You know who saw this is saw of
Solomon, saw Stella Salomonis. David has the six pointers, saw
his son the five. Well, why is that?
Because when he was building the Temple of Jerusalem, what
happened there? Was this his master Mason, Cyram
Abbeth. That's what the Mason say His
name was, was murdered because he wouldn't give them the
secret. The murderers and Solomon sat
there. I cannot build this temple.
All of a sudden the Angel came. McHale, Archangel.
The name Michael. It means that who is he?
That is she. Whoever it is has the energy of
the Father. His name means he or she.
That is like the Father. So.
From the top of his crown that he wore, he pulled out A5
pointed star. The crown that Michael wears has
five points and that star is the symbol of the crown, which they
say God the Father, God the mother Father put on his head.
And he gave the ring, this ring or the symbol of the star to
Solomon and he commanded both the demonic and the the good
spirits to build the temple of Jerusalem.
Jerusalem legend. Of Solomon Spring.
Yes, yes. Now the word Jerusalem, if you
look at it very carefully in the center, you'll see it.
Jerusalem. Very strange.
This is our outpost there, isn't it?
So yeah, sure. What?
We have to understand. Are are healing?
Are healing rituals a big part of your practice as well as
readings? Yes, we pray for.
They are. Yes, we do.
We do healings. We pray for people when they're
I'll OK. That that that's what he, that's
what he. That's what a healing ritual is.
Is it a spell or is it just prayer?
Prayer is a spell. A the will does it.
The will of seen you will if it's in the power of throne.
From that Miss Cosmos, the Lord of the universe, the Lady.
Come and help me heal. I hold my left hand up and I put
the right one out. Please help them.
It's not me that heals. It's a greater force than I
could ever be. I got a telephone, though.
I go. Please help this person.
All right. And if it's the will of God, oh
Goddess, Lord of the Universe, Lady of the universe, it will
happen. So what do you so Lori, is it
then you're you're saying God goddess, is it in your in your
practice? And is it the Trinakian?
Tinakian Rose. Tinakian Rose Is it?
Is there a Is there a deity? Is there a main deity in your
faith? It is light.
Light. We call on the light, on the
light of all lights that created the universe, that created the
vast cosmos. There is no name for Our Lady
and Lord. There is no name, only the power
of love. When you put that power
together, you can move a mountain, my dear.
That's why I cannot take what I see today.
Hate make America great, yes, but get away from the hate.
Yes there are those people that have done evil they have to be
taken down, but they have to understand with mercy.
Mercy is the key. Too many people live with the
ego evil going onward. Oh, stop it.
The word hate. Heal all the evil HATE, heal all
the that's to be that way. We have to learn the politicians
who stand there and pander to you and promise you and give you
nothing and fill their pockets with gold.
Send that 10 million to to this OK.
And then they only take a million and send the kickback.
How come so many people out there in Washington live in
mansions? I want to know on their
salaries, how do they do that? They must be getting a kickback
from somebody. Oh, the mafia is terrible, we
know that. But then there's the legalized
mafia. You will pay with your soul one
day, my dears. Oh, you can laugh now.
Send our men to war and our women to war, but you will pay
the cost. Lori Art.
Art Laurie are are curses are curses real?
Is that something you? Would Bella, when you do, when
you hurt somebody and look in the mirror, guess what?
You just gave yourself the biggest Milwaukee in the world
that you hurt somebody. You do it to yourself.
This Graziada, you did it. Excuse me, That's Italian.
That means ungracious 1. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So so but do people practice
that? I mean do people do curses still
in your and you come across. This let them do all the curses
they want. God knows how many I have on me,
but that's OK. I've seen them all get it and
I've gone to their funerals and I never have to light a candle
against them. They've already lit theirs and
they burned their own butts. I said that up.
That's OK. That's OK, Lori, do you, are
you, do you follow sort of modern day witchcraft or social
media in any way or follow what people are doing and how they're
modifying these practices or no their.
Own thing, I don't care what they do.
They do what they want. But I know the most sacred is to
care. And you stand there in the night
light of the moon. Mother, grant me this moon that
I can turn this world and heal, because in your light I can
clear the blight and make a most beautiful path filled with your
holy life. Oh, Mother, hear this prayer,
this knife, hear this spell. Take away evil and put it in its
own private hell. Did I say mischief?
The gods like mischief. Trust me.
Imagine you know even the even the prayers, what the prayers
have been. It's over and over ready to
request. But if you sit there and you
say, dear Mother, Mary, dear son, Jesus, I ask this in your
name. I seek no fame.
I want to do the things that are true, that bring a blessing not
just to me, but I honor you. Now see that very simple.
I just made that up. So, Laura, let me ask you a
question in in all the years of of your practice and you know,
just, you know, everything that you've gone through, everything
you've experienced, have you ever experienced anything that
you would consider your opposite or something that that has to do
with, you know, witchcraft in that title that you.
Mean demonic. Not demonic.
I'm well, I mean, it could be a demonic force working through
another human that considers themselves a witch or a
practicer or anything like that. But like someone that's just was
honest and was like, hey, listen, I am darkness.
You know I am, you know, I am hate.
I am all these things that are your opposite.
Have you ever come across anything like that?
Oh yes, I did. Oh, May, may we hear a story.
I watch for somebody once, they call me the C word.
You and I. That's.
Not how I would describe you. And I took him to court.
So you. Use you use legal means as.
Opposed to as opposed to. Spiritual.
Class yes, and he had that habit of calling all women the C word.
Wow. He he called himself also a
warlock, which means an oath breaker.
Yes. Warlock means oath breaker.
Yes, Warlock oath, Breaker oath. Thank you.
Interesting. No oath, no spell.
Yeah, Yeah. Oh.
Oh oh. No.
Yes, I have met something. My father was an exorcist.
OK. My father was an exorcist.
I just asked for you. My father was an exorcist and he
was supposed to be his uncle also was an Abbot in the church.
You see and and say lately this Tregoni or Margo hidden sight of
the church and you want to know why?
What better place than to hide if somebody's going to try try
to hurt you? And they would warn the family.
Uh oh, watch out. How would they warn the family?
Well, they would go to the communion and they would turn
the communion this way up and down.
That's not desecrating it, that's just saying hide
everything. They're coming, all right.
And that's how they protected themselves.
Because even though we practice the light and not the darkness,
we were a rival to the political religio people understand.
I feel like the you're you're sort of disdain for politics
really stems from your ancestry in terms of like the persecution
you received. I don't blame her.
No. I.
Don't blame her at all, but it's like, you know.
In the name of God, How odd. Walk, stone, skull and bone.
The beginning of that poem tells you something there.
Yes, they hide behind the cross. They hide behind a flag and they
do the most heinous crimes. My husband died because two
years ago I lost the best part of my life.
My husband I'm sorry and he was the most beautiful Luciano She
was that be Sportsa another the name I give you now SFORZA and
I'll tell you the story that goes with that talk about
reincarnation. It's right there now went ahead
and he went and fight in Vietnam.
He was the only son of the family, but he went, he didn't
run over the he loved America and I believe he still loves
America because sometimes they get little messages here and
there. So he wouldn't fight for our
country. And Dow Chemical in Monsanto had
a lobbyist who use these chemicals.
It'll destroy the jungles. The jungles are still there.
However, 300,000 servicemen and women died because of Agent
Orange. When they came home.
There's a war with 58,000, but they don't talk about the
300,000 of our men and women that died and the 400,000
Vietnamese that died. Oh, they don't talk about this.
I talk about it. And it still goes on and it
still goes on chemicals still used and.
The. Chemicals still used cause
cancer and illness. With our military, it is a very
common thing. There's somebody in Washington
right now that's trying to stop it.
It's going to happen. It's going to happen.
Yeah, hopefully. He passed away after 26 years of
being ravaged by this disease. Luciano Giuseppe Swarza, one of
the most beautiful human being. He wasn't the father of my
children. He's my third husband.
First, when I tried to put through college, the second one
died. My son's father was a beautiful
human being and lived in the North End of Boston.
And Jodi Espanolo, he was the best, too.
Now hold on a second, Laura. Hold on a second, Laurie, you
just, you broke up just a little right there.
Start. Can you start that story over?
You broke up just a little bit starting that story.
OK, Schiano Schwarzer, my husband, he went ahead and
helped me raise my two children, OK, by two other men.
He's a beautiful human being. His family says forces ruled
Milan, that's he descended from them.
There was 1 Schwartzer that was in the time of Giordano Bruno,
who's every great Italian family had to have a priest or somebody
in the Vatican. He was there in the Vatican, he
said. I said, how could you kill
Giordano Bruno? How could you?
You what was death upon this man?
His name was Forza. Giordano Bruno's descended,
married Forza. You talked about the soul.
You talked about proof. I saw it in my lifetime, OK?
He was the most beautiful human being any woman could have in
her life. He picked up the pieces and he
made a family. I miss him Dave desperately.
He passed away on September the 24th, 2022, the date of 81st
birthday. He likes all the way you.
Like told. Her I was 18 months older than
him. That's funny.
Well, I'm sorry for your loss. It does sound like an incredible
person for sure. Yeah, he does.
He's. With me, he's here always.
Lori, just to to slightly switch gears, I read that you used to
help the police with missing persons.
Is that true? Yes, and I can tell you the
story of one because it did go out in the I did a lot, many and
free of charge. I do not take blood money.
No. So this girl was missing in
Clinton, MA. Her name was Nikki Evangelist.
In July of 1991, she went missing.
In December that year, a friend of their family came to see me.
Her name was Cheryl. Cindy.
OK. And Cindy sat there.
I said, Cindy, I'll give you lottery numbers.
That's what you like to do. How do you know that?
Because I know that's all you want to do.
You got a good home. You got a good pimp.
But Linda and Susan need me say that again.
I said Linda and Susan tell them they're free of charge.
He says no. She says, I was going to ask you
about that. I said, tell them to bring me
something of the sister, you know, it was a girl, you know,
So they came to see me in December.
That yes, I sat there with them. I lived in Medford, MA at that
time. I sat sat with them and I said
your sister had cut off jeans and she went to get she didn't
even dry her hair that day. She went to get the car sees
could go to the beach. Yeah, this what happened?
The shirt was yellow and the jeans were it was like blue,
blue jeans but cut off. She went to a place that had a
big bird on the front of it. My Eagle Falcon Falcon bar was
in Clinton, MA and then she met a man there who said he would
give her the car to use so you kids could all go to the beach.
He went and took it to his house and had a bowfront down the
cellar. There's a there was also a a
tree cut down in the front yard. Oh my God.
He stifled her. Oh my God.
Plastic bags, duct tape, $5.00 bill is written on the wall
where she is. It's a culvert.
Go find your sister. And as they left, I said by his
own mouth, Brian Peas will be caught.
His name was in peace. It was Pierce.
They left the house that day, went downstairs, out the door.
I said, by his own mouth he will be condemned.
Well, he was in a place, I think he might have been a bar
somewhere. And he was shooting his mouth
off and how he got away with it. But he was talking to a police
informant. Your steed said justice is done.
Now, what happened is that they went to the place where there
was $5.00 bill written on the wall on the brick, a culvert
with water, and they found Nikki there and they put her in
hollowed round. No, no money.
I paid nothing. That's what I told you.
But blood money, never. And they buried her, the family
Sam Evangelist. They live in Texas now.
Ian, Bonnie, his wife. They're still my friends close
to me. They're my family.
I call them the Evangelist family.
And I love them now. As she was married, they found
this man. He's still in jail and he's not
coming out. She was born in January.
Beautiful girl, I'm telling you, that girl is still in my heart
and will never part because how she died was 19 years old.
You stifled her life out all your life.
You will rot where you are. Oh yes, the stranger do have
that habit. When I was born, I was, they
brought me to where we lived in in New York because we didn't
have a mountain there. So we went on top of the
tenement and all the family was there, and they blessed me.
Your name is Virginia Victoria Gloria Eustesia.
Luciana. Eustesia means justice.
The mother and justice dwell in you.
All right? And that's what my Grammy
insists. Lori what, what how did these
were they visions when this was going on?
How did you get to a place to figure out of this story has
happened? Yellow plastic earrings and I
put them in my ear and I heard her help me, help me, help me.
A soul called, and I said, justice for you, little one.
Justice for you. I don't care if he ever knows.
Have he ever hears this podcast? Yes, Mr. Pierce, Never the light
of day. You shall see.
You took the beautiful life for Nikki.
Stay where you are and think what you've done.
As rising moon and setting sun. So will it be.
And I am justified. I guess I taught you a little
spell. Do you, do you believe in, I
mean is vengeance like? Oh, I.
Believe Justice. Justice.
Justicia no vengeance. Oh no, I don't do a vengeance,
honey. It's like when you do something
wrong, you sing a sorrow song. Right.
When you hurt someone, you got to look in the mirror.
You can't fool the man in the mirror or the lady in the
mirror. Right.
That's why have you ever done do you do you still do that for
police missing persons was. That when they come, when they
come to me, I don't volunteer. Like they had Karen Reed's trial
here in Boston. She was accused of running over
her boyfriend. No, I said a prayer for her.
That's all justice must be done and she was innocent and she's
free. But it wasn't me that just did
it. A lot of people would say
prayers for her. People say something was wrong
here. And now the investigation will
start to find out who took the life of Sean O'Keefe and this
man or whoever man they were the life thiefs and they will pay.
Not how's that old? How's that old saying go?
The only difference between justice and vengeance is what
lies in your heart or how where it goes.
That's right, do good and forget in in.
It's how you would say fi born escorta fi mala penza.
Which means do good and forget. Do remember.
Not now. You got the best quotes, Lori,
for sure. They are, they are quite
wonderful. So, you know, going back a
little bit to what John was asking, you do you, are there
dark spirits? Do you come across those?
And then how do you protect yourself from those?
I do protect myself from those. Let me tell you something.
I mean, because you are human, right?
We're all subject to temptation and things like that, So how do
you protect yourself? I say my prayers very, very
strong. I will not allow you entrance
into my mind, my soul, my heart, my body, unclean entity be gone.
You have no place with me. I walk the path most bright and
I will not deal with you. Whether it's in the day or the
night. Be gone.
And you can say in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
and in the name of anything that you believe.
You understand me. That is a powerful force of
light, which is like a sword, and you can combat anything.
As long as you believe that it is of the light, you can combat
anything. My father was an exorcist.
Yes. Taught by the Roman Catholic
Abbott. That was his uncle.
Yes. And I know Gloria Romanum.
I have the books of the exorcism.
Yes. My father taught me.
Why? Because he knew the world was
not so nice. Yes.
Oh my God. But your, your wish.
You know, Jesus Christ was a very good practitioner of the
magical world, and what he practiced was love, Lord love.
Geez, I'm telling you. So that could move him out and
can't it? Lori, do you?
Do you have you ever had to free someone from an attachment of
like a dark attachment of any kind?
I went, I used to go in the houses and bless them.
I don't need more because I will show you one day if you want to
see. I went to a house that was owned
by an attorney here and she lived in Middleton, MA.
Well, the first time I ever went in that house, I went upstairs
to her bathroom. I was picked up and thrown in a
chair. I said whoa, hey, I'll be back
right now. I'm going through a lot, but I
wow this. I said what is upstairs?
Oh, you felt it? I said yes I did, didn't I?
You knew it, but you want to see if I would feel it so you
understand me. You want to play games when they
don't. Later, years later, I went back
there. She was selling the house.
I said OK, Lynn, I'll come there.
I went with two friends, Rose and Kathy.
He. Had backup.
Rose is a guy, there's a ghost hunter.
He was Kathy was a born again Christian and so go with me.
Hey, come on, let's go. So we went up into the top of
the house, and out of the closet came this dark figure.
Oh, yes, it was dark all right. I think I lost one of you.
Don't worry guys, I dropped off screen but the show must go on.
Remember I told you tech issues? It's it's, it's still recording.
You keep telling the story. I'm I'm glued.
You got me. You got me hooked.
Go ahead. That's great.
So anyway, what happened is that we went into the the room.
There, all of a sudden, out of the corner of that closet, came
a man with a top. Hat on the top hat, man.
The top hat had a waistcoat and I said I know who you are.
I'm back, if you even care. And in doing that, it's moved
away the the smell, it was terrible.
And I have we took pictures with one of these type of cameras
like this here, like you're portable.
You can't get a double exposure on them, can you?
My feet. Were it's rare, it's super rare.
The chances are so low to get a double exposure like that.
My feet were on the floor, but the other body was up.
Do you? Want to see the pictures of the
soul? Yes.
I was saying the prayers that I knew very carefully and all of a
sudden I felt the scratches on my back.
I said get. I used the prayers of the
Catholic Church, career, Romanum, the Roman ritual.
I have the books here. My father they were, and I went
ahead and this thing left. It was like that.
So what do you think? What do you think the top of
that? I'm going to tell you the
finale. I went home.
I oh. Whoa, it's not over yet, OK?
Oh, my husband scratches on my back.
He says who called you? You must never do this again.
Promise me. I don't want to lose you.
OK, Lou, I never did. I didn't do anymore.
I did a lot for before that. Now what did does this do?
Oh right now? PS Postscript 3 weeks later,
that house burned down after the new owners owned it.
Wow. All right.
And they built a new house on that property on Lake Street in
Middleton, now Massachusetts. Now, what do you call again?
What? What is it that we do?
I use the forces of light. I don't care what religion it
is. If it's good, it's good.
If it's evil, it's evil. OK, now why would I go ahead and
and give a friend and and the Latin, when it is Hebrew, you
understand me. I go to what the people believe
in because this is what I was taught.
We that's why the manga has to learn all the religions you
understand, not just so I know Shema Israel, I don't know I'll
handle that. They they they hear the first
commandment. They're not you know all about
that and then and then Jesus name.
So if I was working with something the MAGA and MAGA have
to learn all the religions of mankind so that they know how to
help someone. They have to learn to be
positive. If I would do a.
So Lori, can I, can I just interrupt you real quick?
Sorry, is it? And John, I think this speaks to
like, if this speaks to a lot what you're saying, it sounds
like it's less about the words and more about the intent behind
them. Intent is everything I always
say. I always is.
That right. Is that safe?
Is that fair to? Say for you everything.
Intention. Yep.
Intention is everything. The light is the light, the dark
is the dark. There's no Gray area if you're
going to do the right or the wrong, don't say what if I do
this, I think baloney. Don't try to whitewash it.
Bad energy, it doesn't work. It still comes out great.
It has holes in it. You must understand the care
about humanity. I think they should learn that
in Washington humanity when we made the Church of our Our Lord
Lady the Trinochrine rose the word trinoclia is Greek.
TRINAKRIA is spelt in in Greek, but TRINACRIA it means 3 capes.
The island of Sicily, where this was derived from has three
capes. It's it's triang now.
So what we went from our church papers in in the Commonwealth of
Massachusetts. We're legally a church since
1993. Dennis Kirkpatrick and Mary were
the first people with me to bring, bring this guest.
Kirkpatrick. Isn't that funny?
There I was too. We have all, all people in the
on this church and their energies.
So anyway, what happened is that we went up there and they said,
well, what does this church entail?
And I said to them, and Dennis said, humanity in service to
humanity. Do you know they stamped those
papers in 5 minutes? They asked no more.
They said this is what a church should be caring.
Yes, I recharge dudes $25 a year from everybody.
You know what we do with them? Dennis goes and gets the food
cards and gives them to the poor.
Isn't that funny? No, I'm not the Vatican.
I don't wear the sound on my head.
Did he? Did Jesus Christ wear a crown on
his head? I love it.
Yeah, they carry the force, but before it was SPQR, they're the
Roman legions in drag. What did I say?
So, Lori, what do you? I caught that, Lori.
I caught it. Lori, what do?
You try. I got news for you.
It'll rain. Rain, there you go.
What do you think the top mat, the top hat man is the one that
you saw in that house that that ended up burning?
Was evil the of evil who wanted to hurt children?
That's who this pervert was. You know, something what I'm
seeing now is like in Washington.
So Lori froze again. Right here.
But you're going to have to take my word for it.
We could sort of figure out what she said, but it had to do with
perverts, the Washington, you know, lawmakers getting cadaver
dogs in Epstein Island. Just just trust us.
It was funny. It was.
It was funny. And they hide in very nicely in
their bank accounts, send 5 million over there, we get 4 and
they keep a million call kickback time.
Did I say that? I say that that's that's the
motto of the of the thing, which is really great.
You know, it's funny. Lord, we, we tend to on this
podcast have been really trying, you know, to examine spirit
communication, you know, and what, what are we talking to?
What you know, the survival afterlife and all of these
things and. It's, you know.
You're you're even your spiritual point of view to it is
still based around a light and an energy, which is what John
can John, you can tell Lori what you think you know, what your
experience has been talking to spirit and what you're finding
in terms of memory. But it is interesting how it's
still in the same sandbox, if you will.
Right. So basically I believe.
John has done this since he was about six years old.
I'm I'm sorry, boy, I couldn't hear you.
You've been with with spirits since you were six years old.
As I do have some early memories as a child, I usually don't dive
into them because I don't, I can't remember if it was more of
my imagination or if it was actually something.
So it is a possibility, Laurie, that is very much a possibility.
So my, my whole theory on, on spirits is that they're memory
because I'm more of a scientific kind of guy.
I believe that energy can't be created or destroyed.
You know, the whole first full circle thing that you were
you're speaking about. And you know, that we're dealing
with our, our past memory, you know, like, so for example, the,
the husband that you speak so highly of I with my theories,
you know, I believe that he's with you.
I believe that you got some of that energy, those memories.
And you said it perfectly about DNA.
You know, it goes into our, it embeds into our DNA.
You know, that's just my, you know, that's my theory on it.
So. Correct.
According to the way I thought your, your theories on this very
correct there. There's so much, so much that
science can't explain. There was a Mass General
Hospital quite a few years ago. They want to see if the soul
existed. They put weights on the bed of
people who were terminally, you know, not well.
And about quarter of a pound when they died, half a pound and
even a pound left the body. It got less whether it was
things of the body leaves, all right.
I feel that when it's time, it will leave.
I know I've seen things. I've felt things about my
family. So Lori, real quick, real quick.
Lori, this is completely off topic.
You have a lot of beautiful jewelry on.
Is that a moth? Did I see?
I I is that AB or a mall on on your necklace?
Is that AB or a mall? It's AB.
It's it's gorgeous.
Yeah. It looks, it looks.
It's very pretty, Very pretty. I love your jewelry.
It's it's it's on point. It's a, you know.
It's AB, Yeah. It's.
AB. We got you.
It's AB. It's AB awesome.
Lori, I got a couple questions and then we're going to let you
go just to wrap up a couple of things.
I want to, you know, get your take on here.
So what guidance would you give someone looking to, to explore,
you know, a real authentic or the, the traditional quote UN
quote witchcraft or spiritual healing today in a digital age,
you know, driven by trends and media and things like that, What
would you, how would you guide someone to, to, to do what you
do? I would say learn about psychic
self-defense first. Number one, learn to protect
yourself. Anything that might be out
there, OK, any negative force and one of the best books I've
ever, and I was there when I was a little girl.
It was Psychic self-defense by Dionne Fortune.
She lived in 19/21/22. It was written, but it's a very
it's, it's written a little archaic, but the point of the
matter is to protect yourself any and all.
Megan May? Does she write that in Cape May?
Is that the author from Cape May, NJ?
No, no, she she was from England.
Her name was. Her real name was Violet Firth
Firth, but she lived in England and she was part of the
Brotherhood of Light. Very fantastic lady, very kind
woman. She knew her stuff, let me put
it that way. She knew herself and.
The first thing is to protect yourself, Protect psychically.
God, I used the Archangel Michael as my protection a lot.
Yes, I said what I do, yes, but there are other things I do.
We do also, and I don't say they have to be kept a secret to you.
You can make up your own little words like a a poem that seals
off the psychic like let's say Mary had a little lamb when I
when I that seals the psychic door.
You could make any poem you want of yours that seals that psychic
door off. If you're afraid, like if you're
out somewhere and have a funny sense of hey, there's danger,
use that poem. Seal the the door so no one can
get into it. OK, I like to always keep nails,
iron, what they call wrought iron nails in my left pocket.
Why would I do that in a little red bag?
Now you see cemeteries, they have a lot of time.
Iron, Hold on. Hold on a second, Laura.
You started breaking up, John. I know she was breaking up for
you. She was breaking up for me.
You're saying you're just sort of just breaking up a little
bit. You're talking you, you.
You mentioned at cemeteries they use iron and iron is in.
Iron fence Iron fence around the the.
Cemetery, iron fence and. Then the plots.
And then some plots are even iron.
You know, iron plots with the iron gates.
He's 100% correct on that. And.
And and you said the iron means what?
What is? The iron Iron protects you
against negative force. Like I always carry in my red
bag. I make make an equilateral cross
of it and I put it in a little red bag and I carry it with me
on my left side because the left is where you're taking energy in
the right is where you give it out.
OK so you protect yourself with the iron nails and a little red
bag in your left pocket. I use silver a lot.
It's a protective metal. Silver.
Gold is beautiful but silver is your like the silver bullet.
Hello, that's not a joke. Use the silver to protect
yourself. I wear silver bracelet on my
left arm. Yes, I do wear gold on the other
arm. Why do I have gold?
Because let me tell you something.
Many years ago when people were being killed, understand me by
inquisitions and such, we had to have jewelry.
Many of us played our our way out of countries with that.
And always we've had jewelry that would buy your life.
OK, Imagine going up to an enemy and saying here's my AT&T stock
so you know where you can put that, OK.
But if you give a piece of jewelry across the border, you
understand, always keep that. They used to call a sack a
little sack. Sure.
That's it. That's it.
That's that's that's true. That's amazing.
Protect yourselves. Oh, and.
One last question for you, and again, thank you for your time.
So after decades of readings, blessings, house blessings,
church work, what gives what? What gives you the greatest
sense of fulfillment today? To see people happy and families
together and people caring for each other no matter who they
are or what genders they are. Just love each other and cut the
hate. Cut it out.
Seems simple enough, right? It's so simple, it's perfect.
The one word respect. Respect each other.
That's the biggest thing. Respect.
It's so true, John. I have no more questions for
Laura. She's been fantastic.
Do you have anything else you want to?
She's been, no, I just want to say that you've been an amazing
guest. Thank you so much for your
wealth of knowledge and wisdom for us.
You know what, during this podcast, it was, it was
incredible having you as a guest.
Thank you so much. Yeah, it really is something
else. It's not.
It's not what people would think of when they think Salem Witch.
Yeah, I love every. Time people need a wake up call.
Universal Witch. Universal Marga.
Listen to me.
You both are trying to put the truth out there.
Please do. Please.
We're not your horrid stereotypes.
A lot of them don't even know what they're doing.
They need to learn. They.
You see, this is our cross of our our church.
Oh, my God. She's right across.
Yes, it is. It's the equal equilateral.
It has a star in the middle of the pentacle.
Yes, but it means all equality for all humanity and all the
animal world. Love your animals.
Oh my God, yes. Love all that lives and you will
live because in living you are giving and in giving you a
living. Blessed be to thee now through
all eternity and with love I say goodnight and keep the light
scares. The doctors love you.
Love you too, Lori. Thank you so much.
Don't break up right the
goodbyes. Yeah, breaking up right the
goodbyes. But hey, listen, really
appreciate your time and your knowledge and your wisdom on all
your subjects. It was great hearing your
stories. Yeah, well, super.
Everyone, thank you so much. All right, Lori.
I love you. Love you too.
All of you. Well.
Thank you so much. Bye bye bye bye bye Bella, take
care. Bye.
All right. That was that.
That was a trip, man. I mean, it's like.
Listen, I was stressing out trying to get over here to do
this and you were and got like 100% throwing it out there.
I even texted Gary and I was like, yo, I don't think I could
do the podcast today, you know, interviewer by yourself.
And Gary was like, OK dude, no problem.
But I think you should be here for this.
And I was like, all right, fine, you know, And you were 100%
correct. It's really interesting, right
I? Think she was really She was
great. But but like no joke, I do think
it's interesting she she's got this literally centuries old
lineage that she can trace back, right, like centuries old to her
family line. She doesn't need, you know,
23andMe to do it. She's she knows where it was.
And the belief system is so similar to your belief system,
but hers is rooted in a spirituality, spiritual place
and, and yours is a scientific place, right, Which is just talk
about the, you know, the arc of things.
And it's so funny how most people we're talking to tend to
agree what a soul is, you know? Yeah.
And it's like, especially with the dichotomy of her, you know,
having a Catholic back, you know, 'cause let's say you're
not Italian, you definitely got a Catholic.
She's definitely got a Catholic background.
And then still having this, taking that and creating their
own sort of system through it, you know, what I mean?
Becomes a whole, you know, we all we you and I both know the
Catholic Church and with all that, not all that is so for her
to take that stand and her family stand and it got her
family burned and exiled for it. So it's just sort of like we
still go around and and believe that stuff.
It's wild, dude. And you know, look, it's a whole
other Ave. to spirit communication, right, this sort
of the the. So I didn't, you know, I brought
it up a little bit with her, but I could tell like, you know, not
that she wouldn't want to talk about it, but she was going to
be very secretive, like on her end about the subject, dude,
when it comes to Italians and witchcraft, all right.
It's just so prevalent, dude. Even with the mafia, when, when,
when, when you get, you know, when you become a made man.
A lot of people don't know that there's actual rituals involved
with that. It has to do with pricking.
You know, some of them are like pricking your finger with blood
and you know, putting it on the card and putting it to your head
and like it depends on. What?
It depends on what clan you're getting indoctrinated into,
because it's actually more clans than it is like family, but
that's besides the point. And then when you, when it, you
know, comes over to the New world, we consider it family and
mafia and all that. But over in Italy, for example,
it's more clan and clan warfare and things like that.
So with the clans, I mean, listen, they'll drink their
bodily fluids. They go through, they do a bunch
of rituals that are not spoken about and it's.
But this is, but even this is what's more wild to me.
And it's like when you're talking about she's in like,
Brooklyn, and you know, they're going to church on Sunday.
Yes. Oh yeah.
Right. And then it's like, all right,
we tried all that. Now let's go see the Brunos and
check out these witches. You know what I mean?
Let's go see the witch because we need some extra help.
And it's like so that all the faith and the thing and like all
this and that is thrown out the window.
You know what I mean? It's just the hypocrisy, I guess
it's sort of the all of it. And you know what I mean, that
we've had that we have to deal with all you.
Know what? It's almost, it's almost like
what she was getting at is that there is this like secret sect
in the, in the church that has to do with witchcraft.
You know, like if you listen to what she was saying, it was like
almost like this like secretive. But it's again going back.
It's the same thing with the clans and the mafia and their
secret rituals of being, you know, accepted into the family,
the and the loyalty rituals and all that, which is insane.
So yeah, listen, it was a great episode.
She was awesome. It was awesome.
I checked this out. Did I show you this?
That's the thing I got like, do you see that?
Oh, that's sick. That's sick.
Yeah, that's awesome. That is awesome.
Guys, I'm showing John a new our logo here in in neon form to
sort of keep things. Up in the it's just like how I
have the Santa paranormal logo, you know?
Yeah, yeah, that is bad at Dude. I love it.
Perfect, John. This is a good one, man.
Yeah. Until next time.
More spirit conversation. That's it.
That'll be it, Gary. Have a good one.
I'll talk to you. Goodbye everybody, thank you for
listening. That's it for this week's
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