Someone when he passed was out of the country or someone when
he passed was traveling around the world or in or at a distance
because he talks about someone not being around or someone was
on a significant travel when he passed.
Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and
my nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal, where I follow
Johnny as he tries to prove his theory that ghosts are the
fractured memories of the living.
In this bigger, longer and less cut version of episode 6, I met
with a psychic medium, Kathy Nadal.
Kathy is a certified medium with the Forever Family Foundation, a
Registered nurse, and a retired Army Colonel.
You can find her on Instagram at Catwitch NYC, and her books
Seeing More Than Clouds in Your Coffee and And She Danced by the
Light of the Moon can be found in the Ling Tree in our bio and
on Amazon. Kathy had her first psychic
encounter at the age of 9 and has been giving readings and
investigating paranormal activity for over 20 years.
What you just heard was a snippet of a reading she gave
me. In this extended episode.
We're releasing 99.8% of that reading.
I had to pull a couple of names to protect the living.
With that said, I have a very limited personal social media
presence and what I do have is private.
I care for the life of me. Bad choice of words.
Maybe figure out how she could have known these things that she
knew. I don't fully understand what
Kathy's got, but whatever it is, it has helped paint a better
picture of what spirits are. Let's dive into the
conversation. All right, so Kathy, thank you
so much for sitting down with me here.
I think I told you a little bit about my nephew.
And for the past three years, he has been building a fan base
where he is literally, well, I mean, I guess I'm going to say
literally, he's talking to spirits.
He sets up through his phone and app that taps into the tech of
it is the magnetometer on the phone can convert magnetic waves
or fields into sound. These sounds are coming across
as spirits that he is literally interacting with.
I got your name from a mutual friend, Lloyd Auerbach, from Mr.
Professor Paranormal himself, who was like, you know, how do
I, because I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
I'm trying to help him, my nephew, because he has a theory
on what spirits are. And that theory is that this,
that since energy can't be created or destroyed and we all
have like electrical synapses in our minds, when you pass, that
energy is dispersed and your memory is attached to it.
And that is what he thinks spirits are.
Basically these splintered spirits, these fragments, these
memory fragments from the, the living.
And that's what he's tapping into.
Now, with that said, I have no idea what really that means.
I don't know if he is. You know, there's all sorts of
things I'm learning about, like poltergeist agents, which are
people who, you know, they're not spirits.
They're not apparitions or hauntings at all.
They're just, they're people's own sort of, you know, they're
creating it somehow, telekinetically.
These things that happen. Hauntings are apparently like
imprints, like a recording of something and then apparitions,
which are what, you know, I guess what we all as laymen,
which is called ghosts. And I don't know if he's doing
it. So I want to 1st I, Lloyd speaks
very highly of you and you're, you know, as a medium who
actually does have this gift and connection to spirits.
But tell me, tell me, and you know, for anybody listening,
what exactly How do you define a medium?
So thank you for having me on the show.
A medium is someone like me that's able to communicate with
those that are in the afterlife. So the afterlife of those that
have passed on family, friends, friends of friends.
As a medium, when I sit down for a reading with someone, I work
in my way of working, which is the only way I know since I was
a little girl. I'm clairvoyant, which means I
can see spirit. I'm clairaudient, which means I
can hear a spirit, and that's how I work.
So I either see Spirit, hear spirit, and see and hear spirit,
and I deliver the information. As I deliver the information, I
say, does this make sense? And that's where we get the
evidence of spirit. So it's interesting because I'm
certified through the Forever Family Foundation, and that's
where I met Lloyd Auerbach. And the Forever Family
Foundation is a certified group which actually tests the
mediums. And the reason why they test
them is because they're interested in getting the
evidence of spirit, which means we're not bringing through
anything that's general. We're bringing through very
specific information that is known to that person and was
known in their life. What kind of test did they put
you through? So it's interesting.
I actually sat for, I sat for the testing in 2013, but just
prior to that, my father, who was a very strict Roman
Catholic, said, I want you to be tested because I don't want, you
know, you to say you can do this if you really can't do it.
He said, I don't want anyone to ever call you a charlatan.
And my dad actually worked for the Readers Digest magazine for
many years, and they had done a magazine, the whole spread on
Houdini. And Houdini's life was going
around and trying to, you know, test these people to see if they
were charlatans. And a majority of them were.
And he was very frustrated with people calling themselves
mediums because he didn't believe in it.
And he said, you know, you know, there should be some way of
getting the real information. So someone, a good friend of
mine, Suzanne Northrop, who's a very well known medium, she told
me go over to Arthur Finley in England.
And Stan said England and I did. And when I went over there, I
said, Oh my gosh, you know, I think I'm in the bottom class.
There's only nine people on on the list.
They put our names on the wall. And my roommate said, let's go
down and look at the list. And she said I'm on the same
list. I said, Oh my God, we must be in
beyond basic. She said, no, we're in the top
class. And I came back to my dad.
I said, dad, you know, England said I can do it.
And he said, I'm not satisfied. What do the Americans think of
you? So so I went, of course, Susie
and Martha. And I said, you know, my dad's
not impressed with Arthur Finley.
And she said, well, then you need to take the, the test
through Forever Family Foundation.
But she was a very, very honest, she said, listen, they're very
tough. She said so many people have
tried out, very few people get in.
She said, you just have to work the way you work.
You know, you, you just, it's your own gift and you know how
you do it. So at the time, which was in
2013, we didn't have Zoom, we had Skype.
And I had to do a phone reading for someone.
And the person just said hello and goodbye.
They didn't say yes, no, nothing.
I just talked to them and then hung up.
And then I logged on the laptop and it was Skype.
So this person was sitting there and they say hello and deliver
information. They don't say yes, no, they
don't nod their head. They don't give you any gestures
or anything. And then that happened for four
or five people. And at the end, this different
person got on and said, OK, well, if you pass the test,
you'll get a letter in two weeks.
So I called my dad and I said, well, I did it.
You know, that's it. We'll see if I get a letter in
the mail. If I don't get a letter, then I
didn't pass them. We'll forget about it.
And two weeks later I got the letter and I couldn't get to my
phone fast enough to call my dad.
And I said, dad, American says I can do it.
The America says I can do it, you know.
So my dad said, OK, then I'm OK with you doing that.
So I wrote my first book and I released my first book and I
started working with the public, which for me was a big risk
because I was in the Army Reserve and I was an Army
officer. I was an Army nurse.
I was in the Army Nurse Corps, and I was very worried because I
always had a high rank. And I said, dad, if I start
doing this, you know, I'm going to have to tell my commanding
officer. And he said, well, you better
tell them the truth now. It's better to let them know
now, you know. So I would go and do a radio
show or I would go and they wrote an article about me in the
paper. And I would have to go say to my
commanding officer, listen, I may or may not have been on a
radio show or I may or may not need to do a radio show, and all
of these commanding officers. And the higher I went in rank, I
ended up retiring as a full bird Colonel.
My commanding officer was a general.
And every one of them would kind of like, give me a half a smile.
And then they would shrug their shoulders and say, OK, you know,
as long as I wasn't giving out any dark secrets of the military
or any special operations we were doing, they were fine with
it. You know, so I was, I was very
happy that I didn't have any problems, you know, with
stopping me. Let me ask you this, when was
the first time you had an experience?
So I was nine years old. My dad, yeah.
My dad and I used to go fishing. And we, we lived in Yonkers, NY,
and my dad would take me down to Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn,
where his buddy was, and we would get in a rowboat and we
would go fishing. And one day my dad said, we're
not going to go to Brooklyn, we're going to go to Jersey.
But I'm going to teach you how to go crabbing.
And he was a very specific guy. He said we're going to have a
crab net. We're going to put the bait in
the Nets, going to go to the bottom, the walls open up, the
crab goes in, takes the bait and we'll pull it up.
It was on a rope and I said OK, I got it.
And there was a bunch of little boys on the dock that day.
So my dad walked over and he was kind of coaching them.
And the minute he walked away, I heard so clearly, pick it up,
pick it up, pick it up. And I said, oh, I better pick it
up. So I started pulling on this
rope and he turned around. He started marching back to me
really quickly. And he was like 6-2, you know?
And I looked and I said, Oh my gosh.
So I launched it out of the water and it was the biggest
blue crab that day on the dock. And all these little boys came
running over and they were like, oh, wow, look at that, you know?
And my dad looked at me like, you know, I defied him.
But, you know, I got the Big Blue crap and my dad ate the
crap. But I said, I'm going to listen
to that, you know? And shortly after that, my
dreams started to come true. I started to see very vivid
dreams, all in color, and they started to be very predictive of
the future. So I thought, jeez, you know,
I'm best friends with my dad. I'll just start telling him
about the lady across the street.
And then I think the lady across the street's going to die
because she was standing out of her wheelchair.
And the cat that is already in heaven, the cat came running up.
So, you know, this is what's going to happen.
And my father said, no, no, no, no, we don't do this.
We're Roman Catholics, you know, shut that down quickly.
And a matter of hours of me telling him about the lady
across the street in the wheelchair, the daughter Chemo
Rayne, said that she had died the night before.
And that's when he really said, you better like, knock it off,
you know, like. Sounds like your dad, though,
was your biggest, you're really, like, your biggest supporter of
all this. And like, really, you know what
I mean? Like, it really felt like I
don't know what my parents would say if I told him I could.
I was seeing, you know, dead people.
I think they'd be like, come on, you know, you got to get him
some help. Yeah, Well, my dad was like, not
a believer, but I realized the older I got and after those
people tested me, that he actually was becoming older
himself. And I think this what happens to
people is when they're faced with medical problems, like my
dad had gone through cancer treatment.
My dad had a bad heart. I think you start looking at
your own mortality. And I think my dad really wanted
to know, you know, like, where are we all going to go one day
and what's it going to be like? So I think it was better and
easier for him to become more open to me after I was tested
because it wasn't me saying I can do it.
It was other people saying I could do it, you know, and it
was more accepting for him. But, you know, the Roman
Catholic Church still doesn't acknowledge what I do, so no.
No, they're the worst, William. I grew up in that.
It's the it's horrible. What what?
What would you like? How many, for lack of a better
word, how many cases have you worked on in your career as a
medium? I would probably have to say I
haven't counted them all, but it's it's probably a few, 1000
maybe. Oh wow.
I've been working about 20 years now.
And would you say out of those few thousand, I mean, are they
all, I mean, are they all legit or are you, do you ever get
called and you're like, this is not?
Well I have to say that all of my work is usually different.
So in the past I would have to say it was about 8 years that I
worked up in Salem, MA. So I I belong to a church in
Salem, MA. My religion now is being Wiccan.
I'm a witch. I'm a witch in a church with
Lori Bruno who is one of the oldest Italian stragas which is
an Italian witch. And for about 8 years, I worked
with the warlock by the name of Christian Day.
And during Halloween we would get a license to do readings for
31 days. And that was really tricky
because Halloween in Salem, MA is the Halloween capital of the
world. So when people are coming for
readings, they're coming for a psychic reading, they're coming
for mediumship, whatever they want.
We're doing the reading right there in kind of a very kind of
a Halloween environment. And you have to realize some of
these people are out, like, you know, the 12 hours of the day
walking around Salem having a cocktail and having food and,
you know, dressed up in costumes where their eye is coming out
and, you know, you know, all sorts of gory outfits and stuff
that are going on. So we had a couple of tough
situations in Salem because, you know, people are drinking and
whatever, you know. So those scenarios, you know,
every time we go in a public environment, even on my website,
I advertise that this is for entertainment purposes only
because believe it or not, in the state of New York, it's
still a real, real law that doing psychic reading.
So fortune telling is against the law.
Oh, no kidding. Yeah, So it's still in New York
State law. It's a very old law that's still
on the books. So we we have that on my website
as entertainment purposes only because it's one of those old
lawsuits still on the books. But people, you know, that's one
of the bigger things when I'm in an environment that I can
control, like a personal reading or a house party, you know, I
can't read for people that are, you know, parting to the Max,
you know, But you know, Halloween was a different
scenario we've had. What would you say?
OK. And then and then I want to get
into Johnny in a minute, but I want to ask you one more
question just about your sort of.
I guess the other thing you were asking was paranormal
investigations where I've gone into locations.
Is that where you were asking before?
No, no, they're just in general like your cases and stuff, But I
think you know what what I want to know in in terms of for you.
I I just just to get your background and your experiences
and stuff, you know, before I show you Johnny and see how that
all relates is what, what case was there any particular cases
that really sort of can you talk about a specific case that
really moved you and really was like, I'm on this is a different
level. For mediumship or paranormal?
Either like what what was like, what were some, you know,
milestone cases for you or investigations you've done.
Yeah, I have to mention the spirit of Thomas Paine.
That was really an amazing experience.
I worked with Dean Sturgis from the Travel Channel.
He's on a paranormal court on camera.
And also Chance Kelly, who's the actor from American Sniper.
And I was at the location called Thomas Paine, which is in New
Rochelle, NY. And the minute I got out of the
vehicle, they just turned their cameras on and anything I said
or anything I did was being captured by camera.
And the historians to the facility were there and it was a
husband and a wife. And the wife was a believer and
the husband was a skeptic, which we always love.
You know, we always love to have skeptics because, you know,
that's, you know, not everyone's a believer.
We try to see if they can, you know, be there for the
experience. And it was during that
investigation that we actually had an audible sound outside and
it was caught on the on the on the sound system sound like a
steel drum. You know, it sound like somebody
that was hitting like a steel drum.
And that's actually been captured.
You can watch this whole thing on YouTube.
The interesting thing about this is that when we got to the
second floor, the floor in the facility had like a, a very
different kind of a slant to it. And I kept saying like, oh, I
feel a little woozy. I feel like I'm going to fall.
And we stepped into one of the rooms and in one in one of the
rooms, I actually turned and said, oh, I have a woman here.
Can I speak with the cameraman? And I always deliver a message
if I have permission. And the cameraman was Chance
Kelly. And he kind of like shrugged his
shoulders like he, he's like, okay, I guess, you know,
whatever, he's there for the experience.
He wasn't really sure if he was a total believer.
He's a historian. His focus is on studying like
Manhattan Island and the history of the Hudson Valley and things
like that. And I just started to deliver
information about his mother. And I said, oh, I see her and
she's wearing this 1950s sweater and, and he's looking at me and
he's OK, OK. He's like looking at me and, and
at the end of it, he, he was like really kind of in shock.
He said, you know, I have to take this all in.
You know, I'm going to, you know, sit with this for a while.
And then he did the whole video and you can see it on there.
But he drops in in his editing pictures of his family and
pictures of his mother with that 1950s sweater.
And to me, it was so incredible because that wasn't the reason
why I was there. The reason why I was there was
to do this Thomas Paine investigation and talk about,
you know, the history and going back, you know, you know, into
time. His mother spirit was so strong
that she was coming through to make sure his her son knew that
she was fine and to let the family members know that she was
fine. And you know, she talked about
happy times in her life and being a young girl and all that.
And, you know, after that production was done, that's what
I talk about a lot because I was really surprised, the strength
and the power of the afterlife. She wanted to say hi to her son
and nobody was going to stop her, you know?
That's amazing. So, yeah, you went in there.
You went in there to do this historical thing on a, you know,
and he winds up you you're doing a reading on the cameraman
because this because his mother came through.
That's that's pretty wild. That is pretty wild.
And. It was really very touching to
me because of how she came through and how it meant so much
to him. Like he was kind of in shock,
you know? Every time I tell someone to
watch that video, they always text me and say Oh my God, like,
you know, like it's so incredible, you know?
No, I watched it. It's it's I, I did.
You sent it to me. I watched it.
It was great. And then it's, it is wild to
see. And I think that's why I wanted
to talk to you because I'm going to show you a video of this is
what? So Johnny's got a big TikTok
following and he's got him over 900,000 people.
And he's been doing this thing for a while.
But I think we need to start figuring out how and why and
what he's doing. And I need, I think one of those
steps to either get us closer to figuring out if his theory about
spirits is correct or what exactly is happening is to have
someone who is a a certified medium and is actually good at
it. And legit is he talk?
Just first and foremost, are you feeling the same spirits he's
talking to, right? Let me show you a quick video of
him, if you haven't really taken a look at it, of what he does.
I'm going to share a screen with you here.
The other thing I have to say is when I do these paranormal
investigations, I have no knowledge of their equipment.
So when I go in and the paranormal team says I have a
spirit box where I have, I don't have any knowledge of their
equipment. I just go in to do what I do.
That's all that's that's even better.
I don't want you to know what their equipment is.
So that's or his equipment. So this is what his this video
had like 7 and a half million views.
Give me one second. I'm going to put it up.
All right. Do you see that?
I do. OK, so I'm going to hit play.
Hopefully you can hear it. So what he'll do in his free
time, one of his live, and this is always live stream.
These are he posts these after he does a live stream.
If he captures something, he'll go and volunteer at local
cemeteries, usually the oldest part of the cemetery and clean
the gravestones and then he'll have conversations.
So here's something that popped up when he was doing it.
Here we go. Can you hear that he was sick?
How did you get here? Got dropped off.
So this little one's grave and decided to clean it.
Murdered. Murdered.
I will get murdered. I want to now.
Why would you want to do that? I understand you're angry, but
come on now. She was.
Yeah, I know. I know.
You're upset. You're angry about it.
Anyway, need some more water. I.
Know. Anyway, that's that video, you
know, where it's like, that's sort of the gist of a lot of the
things he does. You know, sometimes they'll make
fun of him for being fat. They'll go, John, you're fat.
They'll say these things, you know, like, and he's like, come
on, you know why you got to make fun of me?
Well, I'm trying to, I'm trying to clean your grave.
I'm doing a good thing. And I mean, it's ridiculous
what's happening, but he's getting a following and he's
working it. And he himself is a, you know,
he, he's an, he's a proclaimed atheist.
He's a very skeptical of it. He doesn't know what it is, but
it just keeps happening to him. Now, when you see something like
that, what does your gut tell you?
Well. The first thing, not even seeing
it, but hearing it, it sounds like I could hear it.
Some of it sounds clearer than some other stuff.
I'm it it's very random, though. It's it what I'm hearing is like
random stuff like it said murder, but it and then it says
she was sick. So to me, what I hear is two
different things and I don't know, like I have to separate my
conscious mind to my subconscious mind, but those two
things don't match, right. So was she murdered or was she
sick? It it may be interesting that my
theory from what I've seen of your nephew is he may have
spirits that are following him. So it's not just what's on the
app, but spirits that are around your nephew may be communicating
with the app. He's got that.
That's again, I mean, maybe. I mean, it's certainly a
possibility with all the things he does.
There are certain spirits that he has regulars.
There's like 1 spirit in his basement of his bill.
So he lives in a building in Port Chester that's was used to
be an old hospital in the 20s for the Spanish flu.
There's like an incinerator room downstairs.
It's really creepy. And there's a spirit down there
that is angry and it's just sort of always making fun of them.
It's always got something nasty to say.
We have a lot of fun. And it's kind of funny because
like my nephew's not afraid of anything.
And he, he, he goads it like he goads the spirit.
He calls it cupcake all the time.
He pokes at it. They like go at each other.
And I've been in there and it's like, and I've been, I've done
this kind of Zoom with him and an interview with him.
And the spirit's like, you know, John is poor.
And it's like making fun of him when Johnny's talking about what
he's doing for money. And it'll just say, I got, I
got, I have this on tape. And it's, you know, I could tell
you for one with 100% certainty, this is not a this is not
something that might some pre programmed thing.
He's not pushing any buttons. It's not it's not rigs.
Now, if you if, if you want, if you lock in the definitions of
psychical activity, right, with apparitions, hauntings,
poltergeists into those three boxes.
Some I'm I'm wondering, you know, is it is haunting sort of
fit into what his theory is, right?
These imprints like these things that have been somehow energy
has been trapped in this space in some sort of quantum space
where he is. But is he like AI somehow?
Is he giving a voice to a haunting?
Can he make a haunting interact with him?
Is it's almost like he's bringing the haunting to life in
a weird way for whatever. Does he have some?
Is he some sort of tech medium or some gift?
I don't know the answer to that. I'm making this shit up because
I don't know this world at all, you know?
I find it interesting because you said that the the guy that
hangs out in the basement, this guy that hangs out with your
nephew in the basement, is it possible that he has another
person that is unnamed that's maybe his spirit guide?
Because if we have someone that might be an imprint, you know,
like the haunting definition where this person wants to keep
making his presence known. Maybe your son's spirit guide is
the translator. So maybe the spirit guide is the
one that's being able to bring through the information to the
app. Well, that's a great theory.
Let me ask you OK, if you were, if you.
Were to like spirit guides, like some people say, what's the
spirit guide? And I always say to people,
well, do you feel like you have a guardian Angel?
They say, Oh yeah, I definitely know I had a guardian Angel.
Guardian Angel and spirit guides are sometimes considered like
synonymous, like it's the same thing.
So if your nephew has a spirit guide, maybe the spirit guide is
the one that's being able to translate those messages for
this haunting spirit. Kathy, what would be the first
thing you would do if like you were to visit with you, if you
were to sit with Johnny in this basement to see if one there
actually were spirits there that like the ones that are speaking
and you could sense them Or how would you, what would be the
move? What?
What is it that you would? How would you have to prep for
something like this? I think the best thing is if I
were to meet him, I would say no devices.
Let me just sit with you and see what I got.
No devices and then bring through information about his
life, maybe a psychic information about his life,
maybe mediumship, you know, validating people in his life
that he knew better past that might be helpful, but no
devices. This way he can validate even
being a skeptic someone could say yes, I did have that person
pass away. Just factual stuff and then
meeting with him and turning on the devices, if they're phones
or apps or whatever, and then asking, you know, have him talk
to it and say, what do you want to say to Kathy?
Because those spirits don't know me.
And if you know, I never, you know, my intention is always
good when I do paranormal investigations.
I don't, you know, I don't poke the bear or anything.
Some of these shows on TV poke the bear.
You know, I don't do any of that.
And very, I go in very respectfully and all that.
But it would be interesting to see their take on me.
You know, do they see me as a friendly force or do they see me
as somebody that shouldn't be around Johnny?
You know, like maybe I'm a threat to Johnny.
I would like to see though as well like I maybe you said this,
but almost just you in the space before the devices to see if you
if you're getting a vibe. Yes, right.
Yeah, Yeah. And also without the devices
outside of that environment, because I've done paranormal
investigations where if you take someone like let's just call
your nephew the lightning rod, right?
He's the lightning rod. We put him in the space where
that activity is always happening.
If we take your nephew out of that space and put him on the in
the front yard or in the park down the street, he's still a
lightning rod. But is that activity following
him to the park or in the front yard?
Or is that activity just staying in the basement?
Kathy, what do you think spirits are?
Well, I think I, I, I tend to believe that when I go to a
paranormal investigation, I'm able to talk about things that
happened 100 years ago. I'm able to communicate with
spirits and it's been caught on EVP of someone from 100 years
ago. I did an EVP session they still
have from the Merchant House in New York City and it's very
specific information because I said what do you do on a Sunday?
And you can hear the woman say I cook, I clean with a very high
pitched voice and they have that EVP.
The thing about that that's so evidential is that the Merchant
House family had staff working with them from Monday through
Saturday. The only day that there was no
working staff was Sunday, so the woman that was the the home
owner to the merchant house had to do her cooking and cleaning
on a Sunday because all the staff were gone.
So they talk about that at the merchant house all the time.
And I was the medium that was able to bring through that EVP.
So if I'm able to communicate and we can get a very clear EVP
from someone who lived 100 years ago, I believe more that they're
imprint like we talk about has stayed in that environment.
I'm not of the background where I send people to the light.
I don't, you know, if they want to stay there, let them stay
there. You know, this is where they
found their home. That's where they consider it
home. I don't send people to the
light. Some people do do that.
I, I don't, I'm just there to acknowledge them, you know, to,
to send messages for them. But do you think then, do you
think that apparitions or spirits are stand alone sort of
things where they are floating around?
Or are they imprints like they are stuck to this location?
And it, like Lloyd, would describe a haunting as an
imprint, like it's recording. Like if I took a video of you
and I just put it on a loop in this place, that's what's going
on. It's like that energy is stuck
there. And that's what it could be.
To that location, yes. Yeah, right.
But that's why, that's why I'm bringing up the basement with
your nephew, because if that is a haunting and that person stays
in the basement, that spirit stays in the basement.
That would be more of the haunting because that's the
imprint. Right.
But Lloyd would say that you could not have a conversation
with an imprint because it's like it's a loop, right?
You can't talk to the the recording of a movie.
It is what it is. Like what is happening is it's
happening. But the Evps are being recorded,
so that's spirit activity, that's communicating with
spirits. That's why we're able to get the
EVP. So what do you so again, so it's
like, what is the connection then?
Do you think like if if you do, you do you think spirits are
stand alone ghosts floating around, you know, like they are.
I'm using the word floating around.
I just don't know what else to say, but I'm just, you know,
they're floating around ghosts. Or is it more likely that it's
this energy that's, you know, been that that lands in places
that is informally important to them somehow?
Or is it a combination of both? What have what have you
discovered it and what do you feel it is?
My experience, and I mean I'm not at the level of Lloyd
Auerbach, he's he's a subject matter expert.
My experience is a medium and doing paranormal investigations
is I have seen both. So I've seen the ghost that's
there. And then it's not like I
actually saw that in a home where I literally saw someone
who looks like, you know, wrapped in like, orange robes
and stuff. And I'm like, Oh my God.
And like, nobody else saw it, you know, It was like right
there, solid. It didn't, you know, It was like
right there and then it wasn't, you know?
And that to me is more like Ghost, the other stuff where I
did a paranormal investigation at the chance, which was a
Rock'n'roll Club in Poughkeepsie.
I literally went down to that basement.
I told them all about a fire that had gone on.
I told them about a wall behind a wall.
All of this stuff was validated. That to me is more of the
imprint stuff. It's me coming in many years
later and talking about something that I can see as if
it was still happening. Nobody else can see it,
obviously, but I can go right to the wall where something
happened. That to me is the imprint stuff.
So I think it's a. Well, I think look, I think then
the best the thing that I would love then is to see one in these
spaces where Johnny is getting having conversations with
spirits. Are you connecting with any as
well on your level, you know, versus how he's doing it?
And if those two things match up, well, that'll, that's just
a, you know, that just takes us to another level.
And what we're talking about. If they don't match up, well,
then that that will then take us to a different path of what is
happening. And we could try to figure out.
I agree. But either way, I think I would
love to have you, if you're open to it, sit, you know, go to one
of these locations and see, sit with him.
And so we can sort of so we can narrow down, you know, and use a
process of elimination to figure out what the hell is going on
with him and this to see what and try to figure out and maybe
put a label of some kind on what spirits are and how he's
communicating with them. Yeah, I agree.
I can't speak to the apps because I have no knowledge of
any of that stuff, but I would be very interested in doing a
plane with no and then with because I think the comparison
of that would be very telling. So do I and Kathy, thank you so
much. I mean, I can you know, this is
really enlightening for me. I'm going to be thinking about
the reading you gave me and and probably in the fetal position.
And when I when things start to come and just when I discover
what they really mean, I'll hopefully know as they hit.
But it was really fun and it's crazy.
I mean, it's really this whole world to me is like, if you had
asked me three months ago before I started to get into it and I'd
be like, this is, you guys are all nuts.
And it's just, this is crazy. And then the more I'm with him
and how it's going, it's like, I'm like, what is going on and
who's to say what's going on and why is it happening?
And I don't know. I'm finding a lot of interesting
connections here that normally I, I, I would not have seen
before. So all right, you and I are
definitely going to stay in touch.
OK, great. This has been great.
That's it. That's all I got all.
Right. Great.
Thank you so much, Kathy. I appreciate it.
Yeah, I can't wait to see what goes on.
I'm like excited about it because I, I think it's
interesting. I think, I think the whole
concept is interesting. And I think that's probably why
he has a lot of followers, because a lot of people are
hungry for knowledge. You know, it's, it's another
realm we don't know enough about.
So to be able to watch it in real time happening to someone,
you know that. That maybe maybe a skeptic
himself, you know, it. It's just, you know, people feel
that way. You know, a lot of times we may
feel we believe in something and then we're not sure if we really
do or not. And I think that's what's going
on with your nephew right now. I think he wants to believe, but
he's not sure what's going on. He believes it's something he
just doesn't know. You know, he's like, look, these
are spirits. They're talking to me.
This is what they got to be. It's great.
Anyway, you're absolutely right, Kathy.
Thank you, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Now, let's get into the reading. I'm sort of preparing myself
mentally for my This is, by the way, this would be my absolute
first reading I've ever gotten. Ever.
I've never done this before, I'm very nervous about it.
No, don't be nervous. I just want to make sure that my
phone is volume off. That's fine.
Good. All right, so, so as you know,
my name is Kathy. We're going to do a combination
reading just to demonstrate psychic and mediumship.
I know this is your first reading.
Like you said. I'm just going to explain to you
the difference between psychic and mediumship.
Psychic is past, present and future, which means it's your
life past, present and future, future.
And then when I do mediumship, it's going to be connecting with
those that are in in the afterlife.
I always say it could be friends, family, it could be
friends of friends. It's like you walking into a
wedding and you're there for the bride, but there's other people
there for the groom. So anyone that's connected to
you in some way could step forward and say hello or to send
you with a message for someone else.
So that's just how it works. OK, So I always tell, well
people, you can take notes now or you can take notes after the
recording, but I'm going to talk to you as if you're taking
notes. So we're just going to start out
the reading with you creating a timeline.
I just want you to draw a line from the left side of the paper
straight across to the right. And in the middle of that line,
just have you write the year we're in right now, which is
2024. To the left of that, I just want
you to write 2021. And to the left of that I want
you to write 2017. When you come back to 2024, to
the right of that, I want you to write 2027.
Before I do the connection with the computer, I do a meditation.
That meditation is just for me to connect with you.
And as much as I want to focus on where we are right now, in my
meditation I kept saying 2021 and I kept saying 2017 and it
was kind of like I was wrestling between the two.
But I really want to go back to 2017 with you.
So I know people say like they can't remember what they had for
breakfast today. I really kept saying that as
being very important to where you are right now.
So going back to 2017 as literally going back like maybe
six or seven years ago or maybe a little bit longer.
And I really felt strongly about going back to that period of
time. It's being highlighted on your
timeline, but it's being highlighted on your timeline
being connected to where you are right now.
And it's it's being shown to me as like a change.
It's you going through a change change, but it's also a very
personal change. So if we were to go back to
2017, you might have to do a review after the reading, but it
really feels like you were kind of going through a personal
change. Maybe other people weren't aware
of it, but it it feels like you're going through that again
right now. So between 2017 and now, feels
like I want to draw a bridge between the two.
So it's a personal change that you're going through.
People may or may not know about it, but it really feels
connected to how you see yourself and what direction you
want to be going in. And part of the importance of
this is that energetically, I feel like you're wrestling with
it in some way because it's not completely changing you as a
person, but it's changing how you see yourself or how you want
to see your future. So if you go back to 2017, you
may remember seeing you, you, you in your life doing something
where you were really deep involved in looking at who you
are as a person or what you really wanted.
Personally, when I go back to 20, 21, which is literally just
going back three years ago, I feel like there's like a
discovery about people around you.
Because what I see is I, I see like an like an unveiling.
It's almost as if you saw certain people or certain people
showed themselves to you in a very different way.
And it's either to enlighten you and to draw you towards them or
to enlighten you and to withdraw you from them.
And I feel like this may, you may remember this or you can
look at this at the end of the reading, but I do feel like 2
significant relationships in your life to change.
And it was around that period of time.
So it's either the behavior of others or the direction and the
behavior of others. But it goes back to like the
2021 feeling for me. So I just want to take a minute
here, stop and reflect with you. And when all my readings, I
always say, does this make sense?
Just say yes or no. So if I go back to 2017 and I
talk about that energetic change or that personal feeling of
change, can you understand that on your timeline?
I would really have to put some thought into it.
I mean, I can think of changes earlier in my life, personal,
not necessarily 2017 but a few years before.
OK, so. You know, but go ahead.
But but is it were they personal changes that you would have
changed so that you were living that life in 2017 or you felt
the change where you were living that change in 2017?
I mean the. Only, I mean, I can only think
of like, you know, I went through a very big professional
change in 20/14/2015 and we, I certainly had a bit of AI,
wouldn't say I changed my life too much, but I did have a sort
of, I was questioning my, I guess.
I mean, we probably call it a midlife crisis, but it was
probably still around 20/14/2015.
I, you know, a little closer to that than 2017.
OK. So I just want to stay around
that period of time after the reading, go back and look at
those individual years because it may be a project that you got
pulled in on in 2017 that was the catalyst of you making that
change. But it does feel very personal,
like a wrestling thing. And I and I feel like you're
going through that right now where you're wrestling with
yourself over what you want to bring on and what you don't want
to bring on in your life. But it does feel very personal,
like you may not be sharing this with a lot of people.
So do you understand that? I, I think I understand what you
mean. I don't, I haven't.
I don't feel like I'm struggling with any sort of identity
issues. Not identity, but it's more like
what you feel like you want to bring on or bring into your
life. So it's more like a personal
thing. Like do I want to let go of
this? Do I want to bring on more of
this? It's more of that, but it's not
just work. It's like people and and your
personal stuff in your life. I have to.
I have to well, look, I've hit and so I feel like I go through
that constantly. I feel like I do go through a
constant evaluation of, you know, as my kids are getting
older, what you know, what it is that I want to be doing where I
am. You know, there's a 50 year old,
you know, sort of stay at home dad with the, you know,
producing on the side. I used to be in a career
executive and for the past decade I've been doing this on
my own. It's very I, I've switched roles
with my wife really, you know, she's got the office job, you
know, it's just sort of like always, it's always a question
of am I making the right choice? It it sends to revolve around
professional, you know, and am I hanging around with the right
people to get me there? 2021 Do you see the unveiling or
the change in at least two people?
So I'm trying to think about 2021 and that would be, so let's
see, COVID was 2020 that summer. Trying to think about where I
was in 2021 and how what really changed.
I have to really think about it. Nothing stands out to me as.
All right, so I'm going to, I'm going to leave this part no,
because that's how I do my timeline.
And a lot of times people go back and they review it and then
it hits them. So I'm just going to leave that
part of your timeline with you. 20/20 was quite significant for
us. So I mean, it's like as it was
for many. Yeah, but the key to it is
changing relationship with two different people.
OK. All right, let me, I'll just let
me. I have to just think about, OK.
So that's the piece of it that I'm looking at.
OK. And it's kind of interesting
because even in my meditation, I kept feeling very connected to
the afterlife. So as I start connecting with
people, we'll have to place where they are.
I have two women in spirit. One of them comes through in a
very big motherly way. She connects with you, but I
also feel like she connects with your wife's family.
She's very much like this, like she wants to touch her hair or
fix her hair or fix her face and she comes through in a very
motherly way. OK, so this would either be
identified as someone who's like a mom to one of you or is a mom
to one of you. But she's very much about fixing
her hair or doing this kind of fixing the hair.
She also talks about someone who has AD name or a first name with
AD in the family. So do you understand the woman
that is fixing her hair or just wants to make sure her hair or
her face this is fixed? She's also coming through with a
medical problem. She talks about bouncing around
between doctors or feeling like she's bouncing around to
doctors. She's showing me symbols for
medical problem like having more than one problem.
So either she goes to one doctor and then they make her go to
another doctor, or she goes back and forth comparing things.
But she does talk about having a medical problem.
She also talks about getting her blood work checked or her blood
work needs to be checked or people are talking about her
blood work. So could you identify who she is
for me? I'm trying to think so.
I mean, I'm just trying to think of those women in our lives who
maybe this person has passed is who you're.
Saying yes, so either your wife's family or your family.
I have a woman who is very much like when they do this, it's
like they want to make sure that their hero's right or that they
look presentable and they would be known for that.
Like I don't want to run out the door.
I want to make sure I look at myself in the mirror.
She talks about. The significant part of this is
that she's not well, but it's a medical symbol where she's kind
of bouncing around to doctors or they're trying to bounce around
and find out what's going on with her.
And there and then and then tell me again she she's talking about
someone with AD name. Yeah, well, she mentions that
someone, someone connected you has AD name, like a first name
with AD. And it's interesting because she
talks about her stomach not being right or she struggled
with stomach stuff, but she does bring up like they wanted to
talk about her blood work or somebody wanted to make sure
they checked her blood work. She really feels connected with
your wife's family for some reason.
Well, that's it. Well, I mean, I have a cousin,
Diane, whose mother passed. OK.
My my aunt, I don't, I don't know, she had a lot of medical
problems, positive doctors. So there's a connection there.
The the sort of the nuance of the Peccadillo's of her hair.
I wouldn't know that very well. I can find that out.
I'll certainly check. And then when it comes to my my
my wife's family, I can't think of any D related names.
So we'll, we'll leave that with your cousin.
There's another woman that's signaling me for your, for your
wife's side of the family. And she's connected to your
wife's side of the family, but she's a woman too.
She calls herself a mom. She wants to mention your wife
being a mom. She also talks about three
children. So do you have three children or
does your wife have the three children?
Well, we would have the same children.
We only have two OK. All right, so is your wife one
of three? Children.
My Her brother has three children.
OK, all right, good. So let me just see where this is
going. This woman is mentioning your
wife. She's mentioning your wife being
a mom, and then she wants to bring up the three children.
So if the three children are connected to your mother, your
wife's brother is your wife and her brother not always talking
consistently? No, they're close.
They're close. So who's in the family?
Stop talking to someone that would be connected on your mom's
side. I mean your wife's side.
Who's not talking to who on my on that side?
I mean, you know. She talks about someone that's
not communicating anymore or stopped communicating in that
family. And it's kind of interesting
because she keeps showing me like she's writing you.
She wants to bring up your wife in a very big way.
I don't know if your wife is supposed to be your wife thought
she was going to be a teacher or something in her early life or
something. But she keeps saying she could
have been a teacher. She's showing me like very
pretty handwriting, that she's very detailed oriented, that she
documents things very well. She's very like honing in on
your wife right now and she's very good at demonstrating or
illustrating or teaching. She keeps wanting to do this
with her and she's very, very proud of her.
She keeps bringing that up. Your wife had like a very
different life in her earlier years because she says that your
wife made like a shift in her personality.
So I don't know if she was very quiet in the beginning and now
she's more social or outgoing, but she's very proud of your
wife and like the change that she made.
Personally. Someone's name is either a
Michael or a Michelle, but she keeps talking about that kind of
a name, like an MIC, kind of a name like that, like a Michael
or a Michelle. Do you understand what she means
about your wife changing? Like being quieter and now
becoming more social or involved?
Well, my wife has always been, well, since as long as I've
known her, very independent and driven and career.
She's an agent. So she is quite meticulous.
And she is also a social advocate for, you know, gender
equality. OK.
Would you have known her when she was a little girl, like at
school? All right.
I did not want. To check in with her and see if
she was quiet or like more reserved, because now she's
talking about her being very social and very involved, she
says. That was like more of like a
like a major shift or a change in her personality.
So maybe it's a little girl. I feel like it's the opposite,
like she was she was probably more social than she is now.
I was a little girl. I don't know, but she's talking
about the shift and she's very happy about what she has done
with herself. There's something about
teaching, demonstrating or educating that she keeps focused
on. So there's a big piece there
that she keeps wanting to kind of bring up.
Who's the Michael or the Michelle?
I have to think I don't know any.
OK, there's a Michael who is my sister in I I mean I the only
Michelle I know is is a friend of mine from high school.
OK. So if Michael is the sister, is
the brother-in-law that would be on your wife's family, correct?
Yeah, yeah. And this is where this lady is
coming from. He's been out of the picture for
a bit. OK, is there someone named like
Josh or Jason? I keep saying like AJS
combination too. In my life or in her life?
No, it feels connected with your wife.
It's either a Josh or like a Jason.
I see like the JS combines. I like how my reading, Of course
she she takes over. She's taking over my reading.
All of a sudden she's not even here.
She's dominating every aspect of what I got it going on.
Oh my gosh, it's so funny. I know when we can't control, it
comes through. Just like I said, once you open
that door, if someone is connected to you, they can come
over. I cannot check this out with
your wife after the reading. Just write all this stuff down.
I'm. Writing it all down right now.
I'm taking notes so I'll have to ask her.
Yeah, it's very interesting too, because I have a man on the
other side who feels very connected to you.
He wants to talk about being having a significance to
traveling over a bridge. He he's older man.
He talks about working very hard and there's a significance about
going from one earring to another, but there's a
significance of a bridge. So either someone lived here and
then worked there and they had to go back and forth over a
bridge, but he feels very tied to bringing up the bridge.
Like a literal bridge. Yeah, it's almost like I'm
looking at like the George Washington Bridge.
Like that's a bridge that goes from New York to New Jersey.
He's showing me like a bridge like that.
So either. He's bringing that up like he
lived in this state, then he moved to that state, or he had
to work in one state and, and, and live in the other.
But he's bringing up traveling over a bridge that has a
significance to it. He feels connected to you.
He feels older than you. He feels family, OK.
He feels like he's a hard worker and he feels very like he's kind
of his morals are like doing things the right way, being the
right way, saying the things the right way.
He feels very tied to his morals.
What else can you? What else do you get from this
person? It's kind of interesting because
I get this feeling of I just want to shake my arms out.
I feel like there's either a stiffness or there's an
athleticism, but I feel like I want to shift my arms out or
shake my arms out with him. And I'm not sure why.
He's got a little bit of restless energy to him.
I feel like if he's going, he's going.
If he's stopped, then he's like struggles with being stopped.
This is someone that in his good days he had a lot of energy.
I do feel like he's a like a like a he wants to defend
people. He's very much being on what's
right and what's wrong, like very particular about being
right and what's wrong. Just very the restless energy.
He feels like, I want to say he's a mentor, but he also feels
a little fatherly. He gives off this kind of
protector fatherly feeling with it.
He also talks about I don't know what this is, someone when he
passed was out of the country or someone when he passed was
travelling around the world or in or at a distance because he
talks about someone not being around or someone was on a
significant travel when he passed.
That to me is like a very specific information.
So he's talking about having knowledge of that or, or that
was around his passing. He also brings up the month of
October as being very important. When they bring up a month, it's
either someone's birthday, anniversary or a passing.
He's showing me the month of October.
He also knows you or he, he says he knows you.
He talks about how sometimes you have difficulty with your back
or your neck and your back because he puts his hand down
what looks like an X-ray. He's showing me like a spinal
cord on an X-ray and he's putting his hand down this
X-ray. So I don't know if you have
those difficulties, but he's talking about neck and back
discomfort on you, or maybe that's a previous thing.
I don't know, but he's showing that to me.
He also wants to bring up, I see like a little video camera, like
a very quick clip. He's showing me a little boy on
a swing. So I don't know if that's a
video that you have of a little boy on a swing or the little boy
on the swing is you. I don't know.
But I keep seeing a little clip of a little boy on a swing.
And he also was very particular about things being done because
I'm hearing like a part of a conversation about someone
having like plumbing work done or it's like, if you're going to
fix it, fix it, right? I don't want to have to come and
call you back. There's something about water
damage or being worried about having a flood or something.
But I'm hearing bits and pieces of a conversation about a
frustration of wanting them to do it right the first time.
And he's very big on people doing their job right.
That's what he's showing me. He's joking around because he's,
he's I, I don't want to say Hickey or maybe a little frugal,
but he's saying like he, he doesn't need a lot.
I'm very simple. I don't need a lot.
And he's being very, he's being very particular.
Like if he likes something, he likes it, but he's not just
going to go or shopping to shop. He's being like very particular
like that. Do you understand him?
There's a lot of things in there that feel that you hit on that
I, that, I mean, I have an older brother who passed.
He's 10 years older than me. I don't know, the swing thing.
He could have been pushing me on a swing again.
He was 10 years older than me. I could have been little, but I
was out of the country when he passed.
My birthday is in October. OK.
Those were definite specifics. But yeah, I mean, I found out
about it. I was away on vacation out of
the country. He was very protective of both
me and my sister. I have an older sister.
My sister's the oldest. She's 12 years older than me, so
and he and he passed away about 10 years ago or so.
That's super interested, but he was very protective and like
defender. He was a mechanic, very
meticulous. I don't know what the bridge
reference is other than he constantly he he used to like
work on them because he was in the union and drive a lot.
So he might have, he was a, you know, he's a truck driver and a
union guy. And he, he always used to joke
about like we have, I have a real, he's always thought he was
an idiot. And he's like, oh, that guy's an
idiot. He was slinging pizza and I was
building bridges, was always his joke about him.
The bridges, OK, all right, which it?
Could be. I mean, it could be for sure.
It's just an interesting sort of hit.
Yeah, he was very meticulous in building things.
He was a big model maker. He used to build model airplanes
all the time as well, like a hobby.
I don't know about the other stuff in terms of making.
Worried about like if you're going to fix it, fix it right, I
don't want you coming back. I don't want to flood like if
somebody's messing around with the plumbing, he doesn't want it
not done right because he doesn't want to flood.
So there has to be a significant like a plumbing story where
someone had like water damage because he very specifically
showed me like flood or like water damage.
I don't know. That's my sister.
She might know all. Right.
Good. Yeah, It's very interesting
because he also, and I don't know what this is because as
you're talking, I still keep see stuff.
So I don't know if it was you or him that played football, but
he's showing me a kid wearing like a white football jersey
with like a number on it. He's showing me like 17 on a
football jersey. I don't know why.
I don't know. What me?
OK, I don't know what that means, but he shows me that.
Do you understand that He showed me your back or your neck being
troubled because he well. I had, I had, I have had
injuries but not back or neck that he would know about.
OK. So, so that's an important
point. As a medium, they continue to
see your life after they pass so they can bring up a significant
event that happened a month ago to you because they continue to
see our life as a medium. That's the piece in the reading
that I like best because it proves that their last living
day is not their last seeing day.
So the back and the neck, Did you have that back and neck
thing happen somewhere? No, I'm sorry.
I don't have like I, I don't have a back or neck thing.
I mean I've had a shoulder issue.
He I mean, I had when, you know, he was around a jaw.
A jaw was broken. Oh wow, OK so did they when he
shows me an X-ray, is there a significance to getting like
X-ray work with whatever? I had a ton of X-rays and I had
my jaw wired up. All right, so when you listen
back, he talks about an X-ray for some reason why he was
showing me back or a neck. But maybe that's just to show
that that's an X-ray. I don't know.
I just try to explain it as I see it.
The football jersey and the number 17.
I've seen weird things in readings where I say, oh, that's
football jersey. Sometimes they do something like
that for me to make me look at an an age like 17 or to make me
look at a number like the date. So if you don't understand the
football reference, is there a significance to 17 so that being
like a birthday, a passing date or an age like someone could
have been? It doesn't.
Not off the bat. Not off the bat.
I mean, I'll. Leave it alone.
I don't get too crazy with a lot of this stuff.
I just give it to you, but it did feel significant.
I once for a reading and it's really odd.
I was so I was like demanding this number and the person's
like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
And then like 2 weeks later they emailed me and I kept repeating
the number and it bothered them. They went back.
That was the house number the person lived in.
Literally it was like 465 or whatever it was so.
I have to look. I'll have to look.
There's something there and there's just one other thing.
It feels very random. Who in your family would have
been known for drinking an exotic cocktail?
Like if somebody said I'll have a Blue Hawaii or whatever
because he's joking around saying who's ordering like the
cookie drink or the Blue Hawaii or whatever, Who would have had
like a fruity tooty kind of cocktail because he's joking
around. Like really, you ordered that?
Like he's doing like a funny, like Blue Hawaii, kind of a
drink joke. I'm going to ask my sister.
OK, alright. 'Cause I it's not.
I'm trying to think if there's any specific situations.
He shows me almost like, you know, I used to bartend back
like 30 something years ago. There's something called Blue
Curacao or something. Yeah.
And showing me like that. So it's like a really like
exotic thing. Is there like a Marie or a
Marion that you guys are connected to?
Yeah, well, my mother's name is Anne Marie.
Oh, all right, OK, all right. And who's born in June?
Because he keeps showing me June says Talk about June, talk about
June. So who's the June baby?
Who is June? I don't know.
Actually, I don't know when his daughter's birthday is.
All right, so check that out. He also says that he has a dog
on the other side. So when you guys were growing
up, did you grow up with a dog? No, he never.
We never did. My mother never had pets.
So who's the dog that would be connected to him that's on the
other side? I don't know.
I don't, I don't. I don't have a clue.
So after he passed, did someone in his family have a dog?
My sister always has dogs. OK.
All right. Dogs.
We both have dogs. Who has the black or very dark
brown? Dog.
I have a black dog. And it's on the other side.
No. Oh, well, I have one that's on
the other side. There's a little one, yeah.
He has the dark or very brown blackish dog.
It's a dark colored dog. He has a.
Small dog. It looks medium to bigger.
Could be one of my sisters. All right, so check that.
And who's Scott or Steve? I keep hearing Scott and I hear
Steve. Scott or Steve, There's a couple
of Scott. There's a Scotty that would be
his, you know, his nephew. Steve, I don't know.
He's kind of showing me. I don't know if you would know
what he's showing me for me to say.
Steve. He's showing me the guy from
Sopranos. Do you know the actor Steve
Schirripa, whatever his name is? Yeah, he's showing me that guy,
Steve Schirpa guy, the guy that did The Sopranos.
So do you like? My brother, my brother lived a
very different life where he was kind of a A2 bit thug and and
gangster. Oh, look at Soprano.
He's kind of yeah, yeah. You know it's.
Really weird because he was showing me that actor.
He certainly, he certainly used to light up garbage trucks in
the 80s for for families. He's one of those guys.
Wow, that's so interesting because he kept showing me that,
Steve, and then he shows me the guy from The Soprano.
So that's interesting, yeah. Yeah, that's wow.
That is really I. I always find this fascinating
myself because that was really interesting, the way he did
that. Who in the family would be, I
call it a water bug. Who in the family can't get out
of the water? Can't like goes in the water and
doesn't want to leave? You have to like, pull them out
by their hair. Who's the water person?
Swimming maniac? Whatever.
Who's the My son is the. Love of the water, like I can't
get him out of the water he's showing me.
Like trying to pull someone out of the water by their hair.
Well, my son is a big water bug. But they didn't.
They don't really know each other and they never really got
to know each other. That's the piece.
We think of what they would have
seen when they were here, but they keep seeing even though
they're there. I know it's a hard concept for
the living to understand that, but as a medium, we see them
continue to see our lives, right?
That's hard for the living to understand.
Do you know what I mean? Like we see the funeral, we see
the casket, we see the whole thing as the end, but as a
medium, we see them seeing everything that we're still
doing. What do you what are like when
you're getting this visions? What are you seeing?
Are you seeing a form? Are you seeing a?
Sometimes I see a face, sometimes I see an action,
sometimes I hear a conversation. So with the first lady, she was
very much showing me doing this in a mirror, fixing her hair,
like that has to be significant because she wanted me to see
that. With your brother, he's more
dictating stuff to me. He's telling me stuff like say
this, say that, say this, say that, do this, do that.
He's more like could His personality is a little
controlling because I keep asking questions like tell me
what happened to you. Tell me this, tell me that.
He's not listening to me. He's talking about what he wants
to talk about. And that comes through as his
personality. He's like, I'm going to be in
charge. The other lady was I said what
happened to you? And she says I'm very sick.
I have this problem and that problem.
And so she was following along with me, but he's not.
He was a big personality, that is for sure.
He's throwing things in like the 17 and the football jersey and
the swing, and it's hard to keep up with him.
His personality is a little bit all over the place, I have to be
honest. That's that's possible.
That is very much. He was a big personality, and he
was, yeah. Would you know someone named
Tim? Do I know someone named Tim?
Would he know someone named Tim? Because he keeps showing me AT
and an M that's either a Tim or a Tom.
He's keeping it like really small for me.
T and an M but he feels connected to it.
Could it be a person or a place? I don't know.
It feels like a name. I feel very compelled to talk
about Tim or a Tom. Would you know New Jersey?
Well, my sister lives in Toms River.
Thank you. I don't know where that is, but
he keeps showing me where I'm by.
The shore. It's by the shore.
Well, he keeps showing me Fort Dix and that's where I retired
from. So is Toms River near Fort Dix.
I don't know that. Let me ask my sister.
Fort Dix is like, I don't know how to explain it.
It's like just before Atlantic City.
It's pretty far down. He's showing me Fort Dix.
So if he's showing me Fort Dix, who would have who would have
served in the military or went through Fort Dix or cause during
Vietnam? A lot of people went through
Fort Dix to go to Vietnam. So he's showing me like Fort
Dix. So who would be affiliated with
Fort Dix? I don't know.
I mean like you used to go, I don't know.
I don't know that that I don't know about military for him.
Unless he's bringing up someone that went to Vietnam through
there, you may not know that. I don't know who would have gone
through Vietnam. My, my, oh, there was a Tim in
my brother's life. OK.
Very significant, my sister's telling me.
Oh, good. All right.
And who? Who's known for having a tattoo
on their back or their shoulder? I keep wanting to do this.
He did. I did.
I do. We both.
We have tattoos. Yeah.
Has more of like an eagle kind
of soaring kind of thing. Oh, I think he's got.
I think that's him. I'm asking my sister.
Are you chit chatting with? Her I'm asking her she's like in
it now. I feel like you did have
something feels. Very like soaring eagle feeling.
I just feel very soaring eagle on the shoulder.
I don't know why. I have an Angel on my shoulder.
Is it wings? Yeah.
OK, could be you check with your sister, but I'm going to.
Check with the. OK, there's also he's bringing
up your father's side of the family is very different than
your mother's side of the family.
One of the two sides he's bringing up someone was like
battling a religion or simple. We have different fathers.
OK, All right, so. There was Jewish.
OK, he's I. Was raised Catholic and we were
all raised Catholic. OK, he talks about someone
battling religion. In the family.
So who didn't want someone to do 1 religion?
Who is the battle? Of that's my mother snuck me off
to get baptized and my brother was my godfather.
Tell my father all right that she was doing that.
OK. And yeah.
Because he's talking about a battle of the religion.
OK, Wow, that's really significant.
Wow, that's interesting. Your brother, I don't know.
He gives me, He takes a pack of cigarettes and throws it across
the room. So what is that?
I don't know, but he's a smoker. OK, all right.
Did someone try to get him to stop?
I'm sure everybody tried to get him to stop.
I don't know what that is because he's giving me a very
like, like an angry throw, like like that kind of a yeah, It's
very interesting. There's got to be a significant
flood because he brings it up again.
Your sister's house might have been flooded at one time or
something. Or ask her if she had a flood.
She told me that they were he was cleaning parts with brake
cleaner at a sink somewhere and the fumes from the brake cleaner
got ignited from the hot water heater under the sink.
It was a big fire and damage from water that way.
And it would, and it scared the shit out of them.
OK, so maybe somebody didn't fix that correctly and that's why
that happened. Do you remember on You'll have
it on the tape, He said if you're going to do a job, make
sure you do it right. Remember him saying like he
wanted, if you do a job, you got to do it right.
He's very worried about a flood. I'll ask, I'll find out.
That doesn't mean much to me. All right, well, she may know
more most of this, but if your sister's there, ask her if she
has the weak ankle. He says 1 of you guys has an
ankle that rolls or had a weak ankle and he said.
I broke my ankle when I was 16. Oh wow, he says.
It could still be weak, so he says keep an eye on that.
How dare he? Yeah, but he's trying to help
you. He's very protective.
I have to say. He he's kind of funny because he
just showed me like a very different thing.
And I don't know if it's going to make sense to you.
There's I'm friends with a lot of people in the music business.
He just showed me a Danzig album.
So would he be interested in any kind of like crazy music like
that Danzig? Do you know he was?
You know, he was all 80s like he grew up like that was, he was
Mr. Mötley Crüe and and like that was his, you know.
So let me just give you a little background on Danzig.
Do you know it? Of course.
Oh, good. All right.
So he's giving me. I'm friends with Johnny Kelly,
the drummer. He's giving me a very Pete
Steele feeling. So Pete Steele was that dramatic
singer. He had like a very dark
personality kind of a thing. He's bringing that up like
giving, giving me a Dean Zig conversation.
So would he have followed someone like Pete?
Pete was like very dark. He had like kind of like he did
like almost like crazy soft point or something at one time.
I mean, it was like a little bizarre stuff.
I don't know. I don't know.
It's hard that you know, he was very his musical taste and like
how into music he was. It's hard to say.
I just know he was like, and I'm a musician myself.
I'm I was a drummer, you know, drummer and I made a few
records. I opened for some bands and he
was just like, he's, you know, all right.
So see what that Danzig thing is, because it feels very
specific to Danzig and I don't know why it looks like I'm
looking at like a black album. It looks like I'm looking at
like a skull head. I mean, other than that, was it
the Misfits? I mean this Misfits have a very
significant. That seemed a little too punk
rock for him. He was more, you know, he was
again more into that power pop power rock, 80s hair metal it.
Is but I feel like I'm looking at like a black album with like
a skull head on it all. Right, I'll look it up.
I'll fight the dig. I'll have to fight figure that
out after. And just one other thing that he
said it before, but I'm coming back to it.
Is there a Greg? A Greg.
Yeah, or like Gregory, Greg Click.
Not a common name. That's why I came back to it.
Just I don't know, is it? He's not trying to say.
Gary, do you forget my name? No, this feels more like Greg.
How do you hear the words? How do you know it's Greg?
Sometimes they show me, sometimes I hear it and I hear
Greg. Greg like that.
Like Greg. So unless it's Craig.
So Craig and Greg sound closer than Greg and Gary.
Do you see how the how? So it's either a Craig or a
Greg. It's hard to explain.
I wish you could go in my head. It's amazing.
Go in my head. Look, some of these are really,
I got chills when you talked about being out of the country
when he passed. That was pretty intense.
And some of these, yeah, Tim is pretty significant in his life.
OK, do you have any specific questions for me?
Sometimes people ask a question and I could see if they answer
it, but I never guarantee that, especially with someone like
your brother's personality is very much in charge.
Kyle, what can I ask him? You know, it's like, what would
I ever ask him? So.
It's tough, tough to. Well, let me let me give you
something that I see and I don't know what it means.
Do you understand like a a weather vane?
You mean like the things that blow at the Yeah.
Sometimes it's on a house it says, like north-south, East,
West. Who had that?
Who had a weather vane? I don't know.
We always lived in an apartment. We never had a house.
I don't know who that would be. Somebody he knows.
Maybe it? Feels more tied to like someone
who who had a farm or someone that lives in the country.
So who do you know that had like a barn with that thing on it?
It may not be tied to him, it may be tied to you.
Do you know the people with the farm?
I don't know anybody with a farm.
I am not farm people and you know your.
Sister, would she know someone that have horses or have a farm?
I mean, my daughter goes to school with the horses she's in
a, she's in a more of a, a very ranch style school now, OK.
Have you been to that school? Oh yeah, many times.
OK. Do they have a barn where the
horses are? Yeah, for sure.
OK, there's weather being there. That I won't, I never noticed.
OK. I should do it and see if you
guys can see that. If that's there, then for me
that would be a big acknowledgement that that school
is going to be very important in her future.
OK, right, right. OK.
I'll ask her. Any specific type of weather
vane? I'm just saying, you know how
they say like north-south, east, West, you know, and the thing
goes around, that's also if that thing is there on the property
and any kind of formation, that would be very important because
he gives me the feeling that that's important.
But also the weathervane itself talks about direction, like
where are you headed? Are you going north?
Are you going South? So if that school brings her to
a better place in her future, that would be going in the right
direction. OK.
Do, Steven. Have to ask her.
Yeah, yeah. They never had much of a
relationship either because she was very little and they didn't
see much of each other. But you know, when he passed,
you know, before he passed. So it was like, you know, they
don't. My kids don't really remember
him that much. Yeah, but but you know your
daughter and your daughter is important to you.
So he would be giving you kind of directional information.
Right. Yeah.
All right, that's a lot. My sister's nagging me over text
right now. It's like he's like she wants to
know. You should have like plugged her
in maybe? Figured out that's her problem?
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