1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,400 Someone when he passed was out of the country or someone when 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:10,360 he passed was traveling around the world or in or at a distance 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,120 because he talks about someone not being around or someone was 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,440 on a significant travel when he passed. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,800 Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,960 my nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal, where I follow 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Johnny as he tries to prove his theory that ghosts are the 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,680 fractured memories of the living. 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,880 In this bigger, longer and less cut version of episode 6, I met 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,760 with a psychic medium, Kathy Nadal. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,480 Kathy is a certified medium with the Forever Family Foundation, a 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:42,920 Registered nurse, and a retired Army Colonel. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,000 You can find her on Instagram at Catwitch NYC, and her books 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Seeing More Than Clouds in Your Coffee and And She Danced by the 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Light of the Moon can be found in the Ling Tree in our bio and 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,440 on Amazon. Kathy had her first psychic 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,480 encounter at the age of 9 and has been giving readings and 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,960 investigating paranormal activity for over 20 years. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,360 What you just heard was a snippet of a reading she gave 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,960 me. In this extended episode. 21 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,440 We're releasing 99.8% of that reading. 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,200 I had to pull a couple of names to protect the living. 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,120 With that said, I have a very limited personal social media 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,200 presence and what I do have is private. 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,160 I care for the life of me. Bad choice of words. 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Maybe figure out how she could have known these things that she 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,680 knew. I don't fully understand what 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,480 Kathy's got, but whatever it is, it has helped paint a better 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,960 picture of what spirits are. Let's dive into the 30 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:44,280 conversation. All right, so Kathy, thank you 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,720 so much for sitting down with me here. 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,400 I think I told you a little bit about my nephew. 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,840 And for the past three years, he has been building a fan base 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,960 where he is literally, well, I mean, I guess I'm going to say 35 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,680 literally, he's talking to spirits. 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,200 He sets up through his phone and app that taps into the tech of 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,800 it is the magnetometer on the phone can convert magnetic waves 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,920 or fields into sound. These sounds are coming across 39 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:17,960 as spirits that he is literally interacting with. 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,840 I got your name from a mutual friend, Lloyd Auerbach, from Mr. 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,240 Professor Paranormal himself, who was like, you know, how do 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,640 I, because I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,840 I'm trying to help him, my nephew, because he has a theory 44 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:37,720 on what spirits are. And that theory is that this, 45 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,000 that since energy can't be created or destroyed and we all 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,920 have like electrical synapses in our minds, when you pass, that 47 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,520 energy is dispersed and your memory is attached to it. 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,600 And that is what he thinks spirits are. 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,240 Basically these splintered spirits, these fragments, these 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,720 memory fragments from the, the living. 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,760 And that's what he's tapping into. 52 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:07,520 Now, with that said, I have no idea what really that means. 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,680 I don't know if he is. You know, there's all sorts of 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,560 things I'm learning about, like poltergeist agents, which are 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,960 people who, you know, they're not spirits. 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,720 They're not apparitions or hauntings at all. 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:24,160 They're just, they're people's own sort of, you know, they're 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,120 creating it somehow, telekinetically. 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,080 These things that happen. Hauntings are apparently like 60 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,200 imprints, like a recording of something and then apparitions, 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,520 which are what, you know, I guess what we all as laymen, 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,280 which is called ghosts. And I don't know if he's doing 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:47,840 it. So I want to 1st I, Lloyd speaks 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,440 very highly of you and you're, you know, as a medium who 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,120 actually does have this gift and connection to spirits. 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,280 But tell me, tell me, and you know, for anybody listening, 67 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,000 what exactly How do you define a medium? 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,880 So thank you for having me on the show. 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,680 A medium is someone like me that's able to communicate with 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,400 those that are in the afterlife. So the afterlife of those that 71 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,440 have passed on family, friends, friends of friends. 72 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,840 As a medium, when I sit down for a reading with someone, I work 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,480 in my way of working, which is the only way I know since I was 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,920 a little girl. I'm clairvoyant, which means I 75 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,040 can see spirit. I'm clairaudient, which means I 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,120 can hear a spirit, and that's how I work. 77 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,760 So I either see Spirit, hear spirit, and see and hear spirit, 78 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,200 and I deliver the information. As I deliver the information, I 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,360 say, does this make sense? And that's where we get the 80 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,000 evidence of spirit. So it's interesting because I'm 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,400 certified through the Forever Family Foundation, and that's 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,800 where I met Lloyd Auerbach. And the Forever Family 83 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Foundation is a certified group which actually tests the 84 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,960 mediums. And the reason why they test 85 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,440 them is because they're interested in getting the 86 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,880 evidence of spirit, which means we're not bringing through 87 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,880 anything that's general. We're bringing through very 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,160 specific information that is known to that person and was 89 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,920 known in their life. What kind of test did they put 90 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,760 you through? So it's interesting. 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,880 I actually sat for, I sat for the testing in 2013, but just 92 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,400 prior to that, my father, who was a very strict Roman 93 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Catholic, said, I want you to be tested because I don't want, you 94 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,360 know, you to say you can do this if you really can't do it. 95 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,880 He said, I don't want anyone to ever call you a charlatan. 96 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,560 And my dad actually worked for the Readers Digest magazine for 97 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,560 many years, and they had done a magazine, the whole spread on 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Houdini. And Houdini's life was going 99 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,880 around and trying to, you know, test these people to see if they 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,680 were charlatans. And a majority of them were. 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,200 And he was very frustrated with people calling themselves 102 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,120 mediums because he didn't believe in it. 103 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,840 And he said, you know, you know, there should be some way of 104 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:20,480 getting the real information. So someone, a good friend of 105 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,400 mine, Suzanne Northrop, who's a very well known medium, she told 106 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,680 me go over to Arthur Finley in England. 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,960 And Stan said England and I did. And when I went over there, I 108 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,560 said, Oh my gosh, you know, I think I'm in the bottom class. 109 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,920 There's only nine people on on the list. 110 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,920 They put our names on the wall. And my roommate said, let's go 111 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,320 down and look at the list. And she said I'm on the same 112 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,000 list. I said, Oh my God, we must be in 113 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,640 beyond basic. She said, no, we're in the top 114 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,960 class. And I came back to my dad. 115 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,520 I said, dad, you know, England said I can do it. 116 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,880 And he said, I'm not satisfied. What do the Americans think of 117 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,240 you? So so I went, of course, Susie 118 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,920 and Martha. And I said, you know, my dad's 119 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,920 not impressed with Arthur Finley. 120 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,080 And she said, well, then you need to take the, the test 121 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,080 through Forever Family Foundation. 122 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,880 But she was a very, very honest, she said, listen, they're very 123 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,120 tough. She said so many people have 124 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,560 tried out, very few people get in. 125 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,800 She said, you just have to work the way you work. 126 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,440 You know, you, you just, it's your own gift and you know how 127 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,800 you do it. So at the time, which was in 128 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,560 2013, we didn't have Zoom, we had Skype. 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 And I had to do a phone reading for someone. 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,640 And the person just said hello and goodbye. 131 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,720 They didn't say yes, no, nothing. 132 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,280 I just talked to them and then hung up. 133 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,640 And then I logged on the laptop and it was Skype. 134 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,200 So this person was sitting there and they say hello and deliver 135 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,720 information. They don't say yes, no, they 136 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,440 don't nod their head. They don't give you any gestures 137 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,400 or anything. And then that happened for four 138 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,040 or five people. And at the end, this different 139 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,240 person got on and said, OK, well, if you pass the test, 140 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,400 you'll get a letter in two weeks. 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,720 So I called my dad and I said, well, I did it. 142 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,440 You know, that's it. We'll see if I get a letter in 143 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,200 the mail. If I don't get a letter, then I 144 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,040 didn't pass them. We'll forget about it. 145 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,160 And two weeks later I got the letter and I couldn't get to my 146 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 phone fast enough to call my dad. 147 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,039 And I said, dad, American says I can do it. 148 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,080 The America says I can do it, you know. 149 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,240 So my dad said, OK, then I'm OK with you doing that. 150 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,880 So I wrote my first book and I released my first book and I 151 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,720 started working with the public, which for me was a big risk 152 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,680 because I was in the Army Reserve and I was an Army 153 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,200 officer. I was an Army nurse. 154 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,680 I was in the Army Nurse Corps, and I was very worried because I 155 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:01,120 always had a high rank. And I said, dad, if I start 156 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,720 doing this, you know, I'm going to have to tell my commanding 157 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,920 officer. And he said, well, you better 158 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,720 tell them the truth now. It's better to let them know 159 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,920 now, you know. So I would go and do a radio 160 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,680 show or I would go and they wrote an article about me in the 161 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,560 paper. And I would have to go say to my 162 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:21,120 commanding officer, listen, I may or may not have been on a 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,280 radio show or I may or may not need to do a radio show, and all 164 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,720 of these commanding officers. And the higher I went in rank, I 165 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,200 ended up retiring as a full bird Colonel. 166 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360 My commanding officer was a general. 167 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,720 And every one of them would kind of like, give me a half a smile. 168 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,600 And then they would shrug their shoulders and say, OK, you know, 169 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,520 as long as I wasn't giving out any dark secrets of the military 170 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,080 or any special operations we were doing, they were fine with 171 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,600 it. You know, so I was, I was very 172 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,840 happy that I didn't have any problems, you know, with 173 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,480 stopping me. Let me ask you this, when was 174 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,640 the first time you had an experience? 175 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,640 So I was nine years old. My dad, yeah. 176 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:13,080 My dad and I used to go fishing. And we, we lived in Yonkers, NY, 177 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,520 and my dad would take me down to Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn, 178 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,800 where his buddy was, and we would get in a rowboat and we 179 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,800 would go fishing. And one day my dad said, we're 180 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,920 not going to go to Brooklyn, we're going to go to Jersey. 181 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,360 But I'm going to teach you how to go crabbing. 182 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,800 And he was a very specific guy. He said we're going to have a 183 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,960 crab net. We're going to put the bait in 184 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,320 the Nets, going to go to the bottom, the walls open up, the 185 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,040 crab goes in, takes the bait and we'll pull it up. 186 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,160 It was on a rope and I said OK, I got it. 187 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,840 And there was a bunch of little boys on the dock that day. 188 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,320 So my dad walked over and he was kind of coaching them. 189 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,120 And the minute he walked away, I heard so clearly, pick it up, 190 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,200 pick it up, pick it up. And I said, oh, I better pick it 191 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,880 up. So I started pulling on this 192 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,040 rope and he turned around. He started marching back to me 193 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,200 really quickly. And he was like 6-2, you know? 194 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,000 And I looked and I said, Oh my gosh. 195 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,920 So I launched it out of the water and it was the biggest 196 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,400 blue crab that day on the dock. And all these little boys came 197 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,720 running over and they were like, oh, wow, look at that, you know? 198 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,600 And my dad looked at me like, you know, I defied him. 199 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,560 But, you know, I got the Big Blue crap and my dad ate the 200 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,000 crap. But I said, I'm going to listen 201 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,840 to that, you know? And shortly after that, my 202 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,240 dreams started to come true. I started to see very vivid 203 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,240 dreams, all in color, and they started to be very predictive of 204 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,760 the future. So I thought, jeez, you know, 205 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,360 I'm best friends with my dad. I'll just start telling him 206 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,960 about the lady across the street. 207 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,760 And then I think the lady across the street's going to die 208 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,320 because she was standing out of her wheelchair. 209 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,280 And the cat that is already in heaven, the cat came running up. 210 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,400 So, you know, this is what's going to happen. 211 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,920 And my father said, no, no, no, no, we don't do this. 212 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,760 We're Roman Catholics, you know, shut that down quickly. 213 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,360 And a matter of hours of me telling him about the lady 214 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,680 across the street in the wheelchair, the daughter Chemo 215 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,440 Rayne, said that she had died the night before. 216 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,760 And that's when he really said, you better like, knock it off, 217 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 you know, like. Sounds like your dad, though, 218 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,200 was your biggest, you're really, like, your biggest supporter of 219 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,040 all this. And like, really, you know what 220 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,480 I mean? Like, it really felt like I 221 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,440 don't know what my parents would say if I told him I could. 222 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,520 I was seeing, you know, dead people. 223 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,400 I think they'd be like, come on, you know, you got to get him 224 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,520 some help. Yeah, Well, my dad was like, not 225 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:49,320 a believer, but I realized the older I got and after those 226 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,880 people tested me, that he actually was becoming older 227 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,760 himself. And I think this what happens to 228 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,480 people is when they're faced with medical problems, like my 229 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,480 dad had gone through cancer treatment. 230 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,560 My dad had a bad heart. I think you start looking at 231 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:09,560 your own mortality. And I think my dad really wanted 232 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:12,920 to know, you know, like, where are we all going to go one day 233 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,200 and what's it going to be like? So I think it was better and 234 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,960 easier for him to become more open to me after I was tested 235 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,240 because it wasn't me saying I can do it. 236 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,920 It was other people saying I could do it, you know, and it 237 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,320 was more accepting for him. But, you know, the Roman 238 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,200 Catholic Church still doesn't acknowledge what I do, so no. 239 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,280 No, they're the worst, William. I grew up in that. 240 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,280 It's the it's horrible. What what? 241 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,400 What would you like? How many, for lack of a better 242 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,400 word, how many cases have you worked on in your career as a 243 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,640 medium? I would probably have to say I 244 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,400 haven't counted them all, but it's it's probably a few, 1000 245 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,880 maybe. Oh wow. 246 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,800 I've been working about 20 years now. 247 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,320 And would you say out of those few thousand, I mean, are they 248 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,440 all, I mean, are they all legit or are you, do you ever get 249 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,760 called and you're like, this is not? 250 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,080 Well I have to say that all of my work is usually different. 251 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:24,160 So in the past I would have to say it was about 8 years that I 252 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,440 worked up in Salem, MA. So I I belong to a church in 253 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,280 Salem, MA. My religion now is being Wiccan. 254 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 I'm a witch. I'm a witch in a church with 255 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Lori Bruno who is one of the oldest Italian stragas which is 256 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,720 an Italian witch. And for about 8 years, I worked 257 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,840 with the warlock by the name of Christian Day. 258 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,680 And during Halloween we would get a license to do readings for 259 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,160 31 days. And that was really tricky 260 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,640 because Halloween in Salem, MA is the Halloween capital of the 261 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,240 world. So when people are coming for 262 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,520 readings, they're coming for a psychic reading, they're coming 263 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,080 for mediumship, whatever they want. 264 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,880 We're doing the reading right there in kind of a very kind of 265 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,200 a Halloween environment. And you have to realize some of 266 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,000 these people are out, like, you know, the 12 hours of the day 267 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,480 walking around Salem having a cocktail and having food and, 268 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,560 you know, dressed up in costumes where their eye is coming out 269 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,200 and, you know, you know, all sorts of gory outfits and stuff 270 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,600 that are going on. So we had a couple of tough 271 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,960 situations in Salem because, you know, people are drinking and 272 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,160 whatever, you know. So those scenarios, you know, 273 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,200 every time we go in a public environment, even on my website, 274 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,120 I advertise that this is for entertainment purposes only 275 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,680 because believe it or not, in the state of New York, it's 276 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,520 still a real, real law that doing psychic reading. 277 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,280 So fortune telling is against the law. 278 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,160 Oh, no kidding. Yeah, So it's still in New York 279 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,520 State law. It's a very old law that's still 280 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,120 on the books. So we we have that on my website 281 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,320 as entertainment purposes only because it's one of those old 282 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:25,080 lawsuits still on the books. But people, you know, that's one 283 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,360 of the bigger things when I'm in an environment that I can 284 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,680 control, like a personal reading or a house party, you know, I 285 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,240 can't read for people that are, you know, parting to the Max, 286 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,800 you know, But you know, Halloween was a different 287 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,440 scenario we've had. What would you say? 288 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,320 OK. And then and then I want to get 289 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,000 into Johnny in a minute, but I want to ask you one more 290 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,040 question just about your sort of. 291 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,000 I guess the other thing you were asking was paranormal 292 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,800 investigations where I've gone into locations. 293 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Is that where you were asking before? 294 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,800 No, no, they're just in general like your cases and stuff, But I 295 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,920 think you know what what I want to know in in terms of for you. 296 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,200 I I just just to get your background and your experiences 297 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,599 and stuff, you know, before I show you Johnny and see how that 298 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:14,319 all relates is what, what case was there any particular cases 299 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,240 that really sort of can you talk about a specific case that 300 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,440 really moved you and really was like, I'm on this is a different 301 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,400 level. For mediumship or paranormal? 302 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,240 Either like what what was like, what were some, you know, 303 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,280 milestone cases for you or investigations you've done. 304 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Yeah, I have to mention the spirit of Thomas Paine. 305 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,080 That was really an amazing experience. 306 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,400 I worked with Dean Sturgis from the Travel Channel. 307 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,760 He's on a paranormal court on camera. 308 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,280 And also Chance Kelly, who's the actor from American Sniper. 309 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,560 And I was at the location called Thomas Paine, which is in New 310 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,680 Rochelle, NY. And the minute I got out of the 311 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,160 vehicle, they just turned their cameras on and anything I said 312 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,080 or anything I did was being captured by camera. 313 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,520 And the historians to the facility were there and it was a 314 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,400 husband and a wife. And the wife was a believer and 315 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,320 the husband was a skeptic, which we always love. 316 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,040 You know, we always love to have skeptics because, you know, 317 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,520 that's, you know, not everyone's a believer. 318 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,360 We try to see if they can, you know, be there for the 319 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,520 experience. And it was during that 320 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:37,240 investigation that we actually had an audible sound outside and 321 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,120 it was caught on the on the on the sound system sound like a 322 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,680 steel drum. You know, it sound like somebody 323 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,400 that was hitting like a steel drum. 324 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,080 And that's actually been captured. 325 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,200 You can watch this whole thing on YouTube. 326 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,160 The interesting thing about this is that when we got to the 327 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,960 second floor, the floor in the facility had like a, a very 328 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,720 different kind of a slant to it. And I kept saying like, oh, I 329 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,480 feel a little woozy. I feel like I'm going to fall. 330 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,920 And we stepped into one of the rooms and in one in one of the 331 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,560 rooms, I actually turned and said, oh, I have a woman here. 332 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,920 Can I speak with the cameraman? And I always deliver a message 333 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,880 if I have permission. And the cameraman was Chance 334 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Kelly. And he kind of like shrugged his 335 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,000 shoulders like he, he's like, okay, I guess, you know, 336 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,200 whatever, he's there for the experience. 337 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,120 He wasn't really sure if he was a total believer. 338 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:39,000 He's a historian. His focus is on studying like 339 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,280 Manhattan Island and the history of the Hudson Valley and things 340 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,040 like that. And I just started to deliver 341 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,240 information about his mother. And I said, oh, I see her and 342 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,880 she's wearing this 1950s sweater and, and he's looking at me and 343 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,280 he's OK, OK. He's like looking at me and, and 344 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,760 at the end of it, he, he was like really kind of in shock. 345 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,080 He said, you know, I have to take this all in. 346 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,080 You know, I'm going to, you know, sit with this for a while. 347 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,560 And then he did the whole video and you can see it on there. 348 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:19,160 But he drops in in his editing pictures of his family and 349 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,400 pictures of his mother with that 1950s sweater. 350 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,280 And to me, it was so incredible because that wasn't the reason 351 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,280 why I was there. The reason why I was there was 352 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,120 to do this Thomas Paine investigation and talk about, 353 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,760 you know, the history and going back, you know, you know, into 354 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,000 time. His mother spirit was so strong 355 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,080 that she was coming through to make sure his her son knew that 356 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,760 she was fine and to let the family members know that she was 357 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,280 fine. And you know, she talked about 358 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,680 happy times in her life and being a young girl and all that. 359 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040 And, you know, after that production was done, that's what 360 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,560 I talk about a lot because I was really surprised, the strength 361 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,480 and the power of the afterlife. She wanted to say hi to her son 362 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,160 and nobody was going to stop her, you know? 363 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,880 That's amazing. So, yeah, you went in there. 364 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,760 You went in there to do this historical thing on a, you know, 365 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,840 and he winds up you you're doing a reading on the cameraman 366 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,080 because this because his mother came through. 367 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,440 That's that's pretty wild. That is pretty wild. 368 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,280 And. It was really very touching to 369 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,880 me because of how she came through and how it meant so much 370 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,040 to him. Like he was kind of in shock, 371 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,840 you know? Every time I tell someone to 372 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,880 watch that video, they always text me and say Oh my God, like, 373 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,800 you know, like it's so incredible, you know? 374 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,880 No, I watched it. It's it's I, I did. 375 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,760 You sent it to me. I watched it. 376 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,640 It was great. And then it's, it is wild to 377 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,480 see. And I think that's why I wanted 378 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,240 to talk to you because I'm going to show you a video of this is 379 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,840 what? So Johnny's got a big TikTok 380 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,200 following and he's got him over 900,000 people. 381 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,520 And he's been doing this thing for a while. 382 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,880 But I think we need to start figuring out how and why and 383 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,880 what he's doing. And I need, I think one of those 384 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,560 steps to either get us closer to figuring out if his theory about 385 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,000 spirits is correct or what exactly is happening is to have 386 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,400 someone who is a a certified medium and is actually good at 387 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,120 it. And legit is he talk? 388 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:29,560 Just first and foremost, are you feeling the same spirits he's 389 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,720 talking to, right? Let me show you a quick video of 390 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,880 him, if you haven't really taken a look at it, of what he does. 391 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,240 I'm going to share a screen with you here. 392 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,840 The other thing I have to say is when I do these paranormal 393 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,120 investigations, I have no knowledge of their equipment. 394 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,600 So when I go in and the paranormal team says I have a 395 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,160 spirit box where I have, I don't have any knowledge of their 396 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,440 equipment. I just go in to do what I do. 397 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,320 That's all that's that's even better. 398 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,640 I don't want you to know what their equipment is. 399 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,640 So that's or his equipment. So this is what his this video 400 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,680 had like 7 and a half million views. 401 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Give me one second. I'm going to put it up. 402 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,640 All right. Do you see that? 403 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,640 I do. OK, so I'm going to hit play. 404 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,000 Hopefully you can hear it. So what he'll do in his free 405 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 time, one of his live, and this is always live stream. 406 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,480 These are he posts these after he does a live stream. 407 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,960 If he captures something, he'll go and volunteer at local 408 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,720 cemeteries, usually the oldest part of the cemetery and clean 409 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,440 the gravestones and then he'll have conversations. 410 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,600 So here's something that popped up when he was doing it. 411 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,520 Here we go. Can you hear that he was sick? 412 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,840 How did you get here? Got dropped off. 413 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,920 So this little one's grave and decided to clean it. 414 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,200 Murdered. Murdered. 415 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,160 I will get murdered. I want to now. 416 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,640 Why would you want to do that? I understand you're angry, but 417 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:12,880 come on now. She was. 418 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,000 Yeah, I know. I know. 419 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,960 You're upset. You're angry about it. 420 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,720 Anyway, need some more water. I. 421 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:43,600 Know. Anyway, that's that video, you 422 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,240 know, where it's like, that's sort of the gist of a lot of the 423 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,600 things he does. You know, sometimes they'll make 424 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,920 fun of him for being fat. They'll go, John, you're fat. 425 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,600 They'll say these things, you know, like, and he's like, come 426 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,440 on, you know why you got to make fun of me? 427 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Well, I'm trying to, I'm trying to clean your grave. 428 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,880 I'm doing a good thing. And I mean, it's ridiculous 429 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,520 what's happening, but he's getting a following and he's 430 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,400 working it. And he himself is a, you know, 431 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,480 he, he's an, he's a proclaimed atheist. 432 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,120 He's a very skeptical of it. He doesn't know what it is, but 433 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:20,480 it just keeps happening to him. Now, when you see something like 434 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840 that, what does your gut tell you? 435 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Well. The first thing, not even seeing 436 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,920 it, but hearing it, it sounds like I could hear it. 437 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,640 Some of it sounds clearer than some other stuff. 438 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,480 I'm it it's very random, though. It's it what I'm hearing is like 439 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,520 random stuff like it said murder, but it and then it says 440 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,360 she was sick. So to me, what I hear is two 441 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:59,200 different things and I don't know, like I have to separate my 442 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,000 conscious mind to my subconscious mind, but those two 443 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,480 things don't match, right. So was she murdered or was she 444 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,360 sick? It it may be interesting that my 445 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,960 theory from what I've seen of your nephew is he may have 446 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,960 spirits that are following him. So it's not just what's on the 447 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:28,000 app, but spirits that are around your nephew may be communicating 448 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,480 with the app. He's got that. 449 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,080 That's again, I mean, maybe. I mean, it's certainly a 450 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,400 possibility with all the things he does. 451 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600 There are certain spirits that he has regulars. 452 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360 There's like 1 spirit in his basement of his bill. 453 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,160 So he lives in a building in Port Chester that's was used to 454 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600 be an old hospital in the 20s for the Spanish flu. 455 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760 There's like an incinerator room downstairs. 456 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760 It's really creepy. And there's a spirit down there 457 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,720 that is angry and it's just sort of always making fun of them. 458 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,120 It's always got something nasty to say. 459 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,200 We have a lot of fun. And it's kind of funny because 460 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,560 like my nephew's not afraid of anything. 461 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,880 And he, he, he goads it like he goads the spirit. 462 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,560 He calls it cupcake all the time. 463 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,120 He pokes at it. They like go at each other. 464 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,800 And I've been in there and it's like, and I've been, I've done 465 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000 this kind of Zoom with him and an interview with him. 466 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,600 And the spirit's like, you know, John is poor. 467 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,120 And it's like making fun of him when Johnny's talking about what 468 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,200 he's doing for money. And it'll just say, I got, I 469 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,640 got, I have this on tape. And it's, you know, I could tell 470 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,120 you for one with 100% certainty, this is not a this is not 471 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,840 something that might some pre programmed thing. 472 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,920 He's not pushing any buttons. It's not it's not rigs. 473 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,520 Now, if you if, if you want, if you lock in the definitions of 474 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,840 psychical activity, right, with apparitions, hauntings, 475 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560 poltergeists into those three boxes. 476 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Some I'm I'm wondering, you know, is it is haunting sort of 477 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,240 fit into what his theory is, right? 478 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,960 These imprints like these things that have been somehow energy 479 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,240 has been trapped in this space in some sort of quantum space 480 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,720 where he is. But is he like AI somehow? 481 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,400 Is he giving a voice to a haunting? 482 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Can he make a haunting interact with him? 483 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240 Is it's almost like he's bringing the haunting to life in 484 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,880 a weird way for whatever. Does he have some? 485 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,840 Is he some sort of tech medium or some gift? 486 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,440 I don't know the answer to that. I'm making this shit up because 487 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,640 I don't know this world at all, you know? 488 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,040 I find it interesting because you said that the the guy that 489 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560 hangs out in the basement, this guy that hangs out with your 490 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,600 nephew in the basement, is it possible that he has another 491 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:50,560 person that is unnamed that's maybe his spirit guide? 492 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,280 Because if we have someone that might be an imprint, you know, 493 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,440 like the haunting definition where this person wants to keep 494 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,680 making his presence known. Maybe your son's spirit guide is 495 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,880 the translator. So maybe the spirit guide is the 496 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,200 one that's being able to bring through the information to the 497 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400 app. Well, that's a great theory. 498 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680 Let me ask you OK, if you were, if you. 499 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,160 Were to like spirit guides, like some people say, what's the 500 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,440 spirit guide? And I always say to people, 501 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,760 well, do you feel like you have a guardian Angel? 502 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960 They say, Oh yeah, I definitely know I had a guardian Angel. 503 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Guardian Angel and spirit guides are sometimes considered like 504 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,840 synonymous, like it's the same thing. 505 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,280 So if your nephew has a spirit guide, maybe the spirit guide is 506 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,960 the one that's being able to translate those messages for 507 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,000 this haunting spirit. Kathy, what would be the first 508 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,840 thing you would do if like you were to visit with you, if you 509 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,760 were to sit with Johnny in this basement to see if one there 510 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760 actually were spirits there that like the ones that are speaking 511 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,680 and you could sense them Or how would you, what would be the 512 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,400 move? What? 513 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,800 What is it that you would? How would you have to prep for 514 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,080 something like this? I think the best thing is if I 515 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,560 were to meet him, I would say no devices. 516 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,960 Let me just sit with you and see what I got. 517 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,280 No devices and then bring through information about his 518 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280 life, maybe a psychic information about his life, 519 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840 maybe mediumship, you know, validating people in his life 520 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,800 that he knew better past that might be helpful, but no 521 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,680 devices. This way he can validate even 522 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,160 being a skeptic someone could say yes, I did have that person 523 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,960 pass away. Just factual stuff and then 524 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,160 meeting with him and turning on the devices, if they're phones 525 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,720 or apps or whatever, and then asking, you know, have him talk 526 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,840 to it and say, what do you want to say to Kathy? 527 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Because those spirits don't know me. 528 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,480 And if you know, I never, you know, my intention is always 529 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,800 good when I do paranormal investigations. 530 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,920 I don't, you know, I don't poke the bear or anything. 531 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,600 Some of these shows on TV poke the bear. 532 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,840 You know, I don't do any of that. 533 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520 And very, I go in very respectfully and all that. 534 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,920 But it would be interesting to see their take on me. 535 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,000 You know, do they see me as a friendly force or do they see me 536 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,760 as somebody that shouldn't be around Johnny? 537 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,440 You know, like maybe I'm a threat to Johnny. 538 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,240 I would like to see though as well like I maybe you said this, 539 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,440 but almost just you in the space before the devices to see if you 540 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,040 if you're getting a vibe. Yes, right. 541 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Yeah, Yeah. And also without the devices 542 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,040 outside of that environment, because I've done paranormal 543 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,440 investigations where if you take someone like let's just call 544 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720 your nephew the lightning rod, right? 545 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,480 He's the lightning rod. We put him in the space where 546 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,320 that activity is always happening. 547 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,120 If we take your nephew out of that space and put him on the in 548 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,800 the front yard or in the park down the street, he's still a 549 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,120 lightning rod. But is that activity following 550 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,840 him to the park or in the front yard? 551 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Or is that activity just staying in the basement? 552 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,000 Kathy, what do you think spirits are? 553 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Well, I think I, I, I tend to believe that when I go to a 554 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,280 paranormal investigation, I'm able to talk about things that 555 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,120 happened 100 years ago. I'm able to communicate with 556 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,520 spirits and it's been caught on EVP of someone from 100 years 557 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,680 ago. I did an EVP session they still 558 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,280 have from the Merchant House in New York City and it's very 559 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,920 specific information because I said what do you do on a Sunday? 560 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,240 And you can hear the woman say I cook, I clean with a very high 561 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,800 pitched voice and they have that EVP. 562 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,880 The thing about that that's so evidential is that the Merchant 563 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,880 House family had staff working with them from Monday through 564 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,800 Saturday. The only day that there was no 565 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,960 working staff was Sunday, so the woman that was the the home 566 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,640 owner to the merchant house had to do her cooking and cleaning 567 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,600 on a Sunday because all the staff were gone. 568 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,880 So they talk about that at the merchant house all the time. 569 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,760 And I was the medium that was able to bring through that EVP. 570 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,000 So if I'm able to communicate and we can get a very clear EVP 571 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,080 from someone who lived 100 years ago, I believe more that they're 572 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,440 imprint like we talk about has stayed in that environment. 573 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,240 I'm not of the background where I send people to the light. 574 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,560 I don't, you know, if they want to stay there, let them stay 575 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,920 there. You know, this is where they 576 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,000 found their home. That's where they consider it 577 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 home. I don't send people to the 578 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,120 light. Some people do do that. 579 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,040 I, I don't, I'm just there to acknowledge them, you know, to, 580 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,719 to send messages for them. But do you think then, do you 581 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:19,400 think that apparitions or spirits are stand alone sort of 582 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600 things where they are floating around? 583 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,280 Or are they imprints like they are stuck to this location? 584 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,440 And it, like Lloyd, would describe a haunting as an 585 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,679 imprint, like it's recording. Like if I took a video of you 586 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000 and I just put it on a loop in this place, that's what's going 587 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,120 on. It's like that energy is stuck 588 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,880 there. And that's what it could be. 589 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,840 To that location, yes. Yeah, right. 590 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,639 But that's why, that's why I'm bringing up the basement with 591 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,520 your nephew, because if that is a haunting and that person stays 592 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,719 in the basement, that spirit stays in the basement. 593 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,640 That would be more of the haunting because that's the 594 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,680 imprint. Right. 595 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,360 But Lloyd would say that you could not have a conversation 596 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,520 with an imprint because it's like it's a loop, right? 597 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,600 You can't talk to the the recording of a movie. 598 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,320 It is what it is. Like what is happening is it's 599 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,800 happening. But the Evps are being recorded, 600 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,760 so that's spirit activity, that's communicating with 601 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960 spirits. That's why we're able to get the 602 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,880 EVP. So what do you so again, so it's 603 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640 like, what is the connection then? 604 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,880 Do you think like if if you do, you do you think spirits are 605 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,520 stand alone ghosts floating around, you know, like they are. 606 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,880 I'm using the word floating around. 607 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,520 I just don't know what else to say, but I'm just, you know, 608 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,440 they're floating around ghosts. Or is it more likely that it's 609 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,520 this energy that's, you know, been that that lands in places 610 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,360 that is informally important to them somehow? 611 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,280 Or is it a combination of both? What have what have you 612 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,120 discovered it and what do you feel it is? 613 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,200 My experience, and I mean I'm not at the level of Lloyd 614 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920 Auerbach, he's he's a subject matter expert. 615 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,600 My experience is a medium and doing paranormal investigations 616 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,760 is I have seen both. So I've seen the ghost that's 617 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080 there. And then it's not like I 618 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,840 actually saw that in a home where I literally saw someone 619 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,920 who looks like, you know, wrapped in like, orange robes 620 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,600 and stuff. And I'm like, Oh my God. 621 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480 And like, nobody else saw it, you know, It was like right 622 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,440 there, solid. It didn't, you know, It was like 623 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,040 right there and then it wasn't, you know? 624 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,840 And that to me is more like Ghost, the other stuff where I 625 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,000 did a paranormal investigation at the chance, which was a 626 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Rock'n'roll Club in Poughkeepsie. 627 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,960 I literally went down to that basement. 628 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,840 I told them all about a fire that had gone on. 629 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520 I told them about a wall behind a wall. 630 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,600 All of this stuff was validated. That to me is more of the 631 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,120 imprint stuff. It's me coming in many years 632 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,080 later and talking about something that I can see as if 633 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,080 it was still happening. Nobody else can see it, 634 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,600 obviously, but I can go right to the wall where something 635 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,640 happened. That to me is the imprint stuff. 636 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,400 So I think it's a. Well, I think look, I think then 637 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,520 the best the thing that I would love then is to see one in these 638 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,520 spaces where Johnny is getting having conversations with 639 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,480 spirits. Are you connecting with any as 640 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,920 well on your level, you know, versus how he's doing it? 641 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,640 And if those two things match up, well, that'll, that's just 642 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,120 a, you know, that just takes us to another level. 643 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,800 And what we're talking about. If they don't match up, well, 644 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680 then that that will then take us to a different path of what is 645 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,520 happening. And we could try to figure out. 646 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,400 I agree. But either way, I think I would 647 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,200 love to have you, if you're open to it, sit, you know, go to one 648 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800 of these locations and see, sit with him. 649 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,200 And so we can sort of so we can narrow down, you know, and use a 650 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,680 process of elimination to figure out what the hell is going on 651 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,080 with him and this to see what and try to figure out and maybe 652 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680 put a label of some kind on what spirits are and how he's 653 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,400 communicating with them. Yeah, I agree. 654 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,760 I can't speak to the apps because I have no knowledge of 655 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,720 any of that stuff, but I would be very interested in doing a 656 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:30,160 plane with no and then with because I think the comparison 657 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,040 of that would be very telling. So do I and Kathy, thank you so 658 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,720 much. I mean, I can you know, this is 659 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:44,040 really enlightening for me. I'm going to be thinking about 660 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,720 the reading you gave me and and probably in the fetal position. 661 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,000 And when I when things start to come and just when I discover 662 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,800 what they really mean, I'll hopefully know as they hit. 663 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,880 But it was really fun and it's crazy. 664 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,840 I mean, it's really this whole world to me is like, if you had 665 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,360 asked me three months ago before I started to get into it and I'd 666 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,800 be like, this is, you guys are all nuts. 667 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,840 And it's just, this is crazy. And then the more I'm with him 668 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,960 and how it's going, it's like, I'm like, what is going on and 669 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120 who's to say what's going on and why is it happening? 670 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,080 And I don't know. I'm finding a lot of interesting 671 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,520 connections here that normally I, I, I would not have seen 672 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,680 before. So all right, you and I are 673 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,840 definitely going to stay in touch. 674 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,800 OK, great. This has been great. 675 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,680 That's it. That's all I got all. 676 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:38,920 Right. Great. 677 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320 Thank you so much, Kathy. I appreciate it. 678 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,560 Yeah, I can't wait to see what goes on. 679 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,760 I'm like excited about it because I, I think it's 680 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,600 interesting. I think, I think the whole 681 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,080 concept is interesting. And I think that's probably why 682 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,040 he has a lot of followers, because a lot of people are 683 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,360 hungry for knowledge. You know, it's, it's another 684 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,520 realm we don't know enough about. 685 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,920 So to be able to watch it in real time happening to someone, 686 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,560 you know that. That maybe maybe a skeptic 687 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,080 himself, you know, it. It's just, you know, people feel 688 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,280 that way. You know, a lot of times we may 689 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,840 feel we believe in something and then we're not sure if we really 690 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,200 do or not. And I think that's what's going 691 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 on with your nephew right now. I think he wants to believe, but 692 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,200 he's not sure what's going on. He believes it's something he 693 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,720 just doesn't know. You know, he's like, look, these 694 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:31,960 are spirits. They're talking to me. 695 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,400 This is what they got to be. It's great. 696 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960 Anyway, you're absolutely right, Kathy. 697 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,520 Thank you, Thank you, thank you, thank you. 698 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,680 Now, let's get into the reading. I'm sort of preparing myself 699 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,200 mentally for my This is, by the way, this would be my absolute 700 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,080 first reading I've ever gotten. Ever. 701 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,600 I've never done this before, I'm very nervous about it. 702 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400 No, don't be nervous. I just want to make sure that my 703 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,320 phone is volume off. That's fine. 704 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,680 Good. All right, so, so as you know, 705 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,080 my name is Kathy. We're going to do a combination 706 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,000 reading just to demonstrate psychic and mediumship. 707 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,800 I know this is your first reading. 708 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,880 Like you said. I'm just going to explain to you 709 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,400 the difference between psychic and mediumship. 710 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,760 Psychic is past, present and future, which means it's your 711 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,120 life past, present and future, future. 712 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,800 And then when I do mediumship, it's going to be connecting with 713 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,280 those that are in in the afterlife. 714 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,200 I always say it could be friends, family, it could be 715 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,600 friends of friends. It's like you walking into a 716 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,040 wedding and you're there for the bride, but there's other people 717 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,960 there for the groom. So anyone that's connected to 718 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,680 you in some way could step forward and say hello or to send 719 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680 you with a message for someone else. 720 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,800 So that's just how it works. OK, So I always tell, well 721 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,120 people, you can take notes now or you can take notes after the 722 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,080 recording, but I'm going to talk to you as if you're taking 723 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,920 notes. So we're just going to start out 724 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,360 the reading with you creating a timeline. 725 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,720 I just want you to draw a line from the left side of the paper 726 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,720 straight across to the right. And in the middle of that line, 727 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,640 just have you write the year we're in right now, which is 728 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,200 2024. To the left of that, I just want 729 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,160 you to write 2021. And to the left of that I want 730 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,680 you to write 2017. When you come back to 2024, to 731 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,280 the right of that, I want you to write 2027. 732 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:45,960 Before I do the connection with the computer, I do a meditation. 733 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520 That meditation is just for me to connect with you. 734 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,480 And as much as I want to focus on where we are right now, in my 735 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,520 meditation I kept saying 2021 and I kept saying 2017 and it 736 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,360 was kind of like I was wrestling between the two. 737 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,880 But I really want to go back to 2017 with you. 738 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080 So I know people say like they can't remember what they had for 739 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,240 breakfast today. I really kept saying that as 740 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,520 being very important to where you are right now. 741 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,920 So going back to 2017 as literally going back like maybe 742 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,000 six or seven years ago or maybe a little bit longer. 743 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,840 And I really felt strongly about going back to that period of 744 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,640 time. It's being highlighted on your 745 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,320 timeline, but it's being highlighted on your timeline 746 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,000 being connected to where you are right now. 747 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,480 And it's it's being shown to me as like a change. 748 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,200 It's you going through a change change, but it's also a very 749 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,440 personal change. So if we were to go back to 750 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,760 2017, you might have to do a review after the reading, but it 751 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,920 really feels like you were kind of going through a personal 752 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,320 change. Maybe other people weren't aware 753 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,400 of it, but it it feels like you're going through that again 754 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,160 right now. So between 2017 and now, feels 755 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,960 like I want to draw a bridge between the two. 756 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,760 So it's a personal change that you're going through. 757 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,160 People may or may not know about it, but it really feels 758 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,840 connected to how you see yourself and what direction you 759 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,320 want to be going in. And part of the importance of 760 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,360 this is that energetically, I feel like you're wrestling with 761 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,640 it in some way because it's not completely changing you as a 762 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,800 person, but it's changing how you see yourself or how you want 763 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,560 to see your future. So if you go back to 2017, you 764 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,360 may remember seeing you, you, you in your life doing something 765 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560 where you were really deep involved in looking at who you 766 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,800 are as a person or what you really wanted. 767 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:59,160 Personally, when I go back to 20, 21, which is literally just 768 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,880 going back three years ago, I feel like there's like a 769 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,120 discovery about people around you. 770 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,360 Because what I see is I, I see like an like an unveiling. 771 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,640 It's almost as if you saw certain people or certain people 772 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,600 showed themselves to you in a very different way. 773 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,440 And it's either to enlighten you and to draw you towards them or 774 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,640 to enlighten you and to withdraw you from them. 775 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,320 And I feel like this may, you may remember this or you can 776 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,480 look at this at the end of the reading, but I do feel like 2 777 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,440 significant relationships in your life to change. 778 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040 And it was around that period of time. 779 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,080 So it's either the behavior of others or the direction and the 780 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,120 behavior of others. But it goes back to like the 781 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,040 2021 feeling for me. So I just want to take a minute 782 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,560 here, stop and reflect with you. And when all my readings, I 783 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,600 always say, does this make sense? 784 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,280 Just say yes or no. So if I go back to 2017 and I 785 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,040 talk about that energetic change or that personal feeling of 786 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080 change, can you understand that on your timeline? 787 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600 I would really have to put some thought into it. 788 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,160 I mean, I can think of changes earlier in my life, personal, 789 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,440 not necessarily 2017 but a few years before. 790 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,360 OK, so. You know, but go ahead. 791 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,440 But but is it were they personal changes that you would have 792 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,080 changed so that you were living that life in 2017 or you felt 793 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,560 the change where you were living that change in 2017? 794 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,400 I mean the. Only, I mean, I can only think 795 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,000 of like, you know, I went through a very big professional 796 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:59,840 change in 20/14/2015 and we, I certainly had a bit of AI, 797 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,800 wouldn't say I changed my life too much, but I did have a sort 798 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,280 of, I was questioning my, I guess. 799 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,480 I mean, we probably call it a midlife crisis, but it was 800 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,600 probably still around 20/14/2015. 801 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,680 I, you know, a little closer to that than 2017. 802 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,920 OK. So I just want to stay around 803 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,680 that period of time after the reading, go back and look at 804 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,120 those individual years because it may be a project that you got 805 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:34,440 pulled in on in 2017 that was the catalyst of you making that 806 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,400 change. But it does feel very personal, 807 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,440 like a wrestling thing. And I and I feel like you're 808 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640 going through that right now where you're wrestling with 809 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,440 yourself over what you want to bring on and what you don't want 810 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,080 to bring on in your life. But it does feel very personal, 811 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,880 like you may not be sharing this with a lot of people. 812 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,800 So do you understand that? I, I think I understand what you 813 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,760 mean. I don't, I haven't. 814 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,920 I don't feel like I'm struggling with any sort of identity 815 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,360 issues. Not identity, but it's more like 816 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,600 what you feel like you want to bring on or bring into your 817 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,280 life. So it's more like a personal 818 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,400 thing. Like do I want to let go of 819 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,040 this? Do I want to bring on more of 820 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,240 this? It's more of that, but it's not 821 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,400 just work. It's like people and and your 822 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,000 personal stuff in your life. I have to. 823 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,120 I have to well, look, I've hit and so I feel like I go through 824 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,680 that constantly. I feel like I do go through a 825 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,720 constant evaluation of, you know, as my kids are getting 826 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:46,280 older, what you know, what it is that I want to be doing where I 827 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,520 am. You know, there's a 50 year old, 828 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,600 you know, sort of stay at home dad with the, you know, 829 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,040 producing on the side. I used to be in a career 830 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,520 executive and for the past decade I've been doing this on 831 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,880 my own. It's very I, I've switched roles 832 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,600 with my wife really, you know, she's got the office job, you 833 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,840 know, it's just sort of like always, it's always a question 834 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,280 of am I making the right choice? It it sends to revolve around 835 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,800 professional, you know, and am I hanging around with the right 836 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:22,280 people to get me there? 2021 Do you see the unveiling or 837 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,400 the change in at least two people? 838 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,600 So I'm trying to think about 2021 and that would be, so let's 839 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:39,640 see, COVID was 2020 that summer. Trying to think about where I 840 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,600 was in 2021 and how what really changed. 841 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,200 I have to really think about it. Nothing stands out to me as. 842 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,440 All right, so I'm going to, I'm going to leave this part no, 843 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,760 because that's how I do my timeline. 844 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,600 And a lot of times people go back and they review it and then 845 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,240 it hits them. So I'm just going to leave that 846 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:07,400 part of your timeline with you. 20/20 was quite significant for 847 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,840 us. So I mean, it's like as it was 848 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,520 for many. Yeah, but the key to it is 849 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,760 changing relationship with two different people. 850 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,760 OK. All right, let me, I'll just let 851 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,960 me. I have to just think about, OK. 852 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,560 So that's the piece of it that I'm looking at. 853 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,280 OK. And it's kind of interesting 854 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:36,120 because even in my meditation, I kept feeling very connected to 855 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,960 the afterlife. So as I start connecting with 856 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,160 people, we'll have to place where they are. 857 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,280 I have two women in spirit. One of them comes through in a 858 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,920 very big motherly way. She connects with you, but I 859 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,920 also feel like she connects with your wife's family. 860 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,400 She's very much like this, like she wants to touch her hair or 861 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,360 fix her hair or fix her face and she comes through in a very 862 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,400 motherly way. OK, so this would either be 863 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,480 identified as someone who's like a mom to one of you or is a mom 864 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,520 to one of you. But she's very much about fixing 865 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,280 her hair or doing this kind of fixing the hair. 866 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,400 She also talks about someone who has AD name or a first name with 867 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,600 AD in the family. So do you understand the woman 868 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,320 that is fixing her hair or just wants to make sure her hair or 869 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,520 her face this is fixed? She's also coming through with a 870 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,280 medical problem. She talks about bouncing around 871 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,200 between doctors or feeling like she's bouncing around to 872 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120 doctors. She's showing me symbols for 873 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,480 medical problem like having more than one problem. 874 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,960 So either she goes to one doctor and then they make her go to 875 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,360 another doctor, or she goes back and forth comparing things. 876 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,560 But she does talk about having a medical problem. 877 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,640 She also talks about getting her blood work checked or her blood 878 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,240 work needs to be checked or people are talking about her 879 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,560 blood work. So could you identify who she is 880 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,760 for me? I'm trying to think so. 881 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:19,840 I mean, I'm just trying to think of those women in our lives who 882 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,000 maybe this person has passed is who you're. 883 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,400 Saying yes, so either your wife's family or your family. 884 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:33,080 I have a woman who is very much like when they do this, it's 885 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,760 like they want to make sure that their hero's right or that they 886 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,960 look presentable and they would be known for that. 887 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,480 Like I don't want to run out the door. 888 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,800 I want to make sure I look at myself in the mirror. 889 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,640 She talks about. The significant part of this is 890 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,920 that she's not well, but it's a medical symbol where she's kind 891 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,880 of bouncing around to doctors or they're trying to bounce around 892 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,800 and find out what's going on with her. 893 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,480 And there and then and then tell me again she she's talking about 894 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,360 someone with AD name. Yeah, well, she mentions that 895 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,480 someone, someone connected you has AD name, like a first name 896 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,040 with AD. And it's interesting because she 897 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,520 talks about her stomach not being right or she struggled 898 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,160 with stomach stuff, but she does bring up like they wanted to 899 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,760 talk about her blood work or somebody wanted to make sure 900 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,960 they checked her blood work. She really feels connected with 901 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,280 your wife's family for some reason. 902 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,080 Well, that's it. Well, I mean, I have a cousin, 903 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,480 Diane, whose mother passed. OK. 904 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:42,840 My my aunt, I don't, I don't know, she had a lot of medical 905 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,800 problems, positive doctors. So there's a connection there. 906 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,160 The the sort of the nuance of the Peccadillo's of her hair. 907 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,280 I wouldn't know that very well. I can find that out. 908 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,680 I'll certainly check. And then when it comes to my my 909 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,880 my wife's family, I can't think of any D related names. 910 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,960 So we'll, we'll leave that with your cousin. 911 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,440 There's another woman that's signaling me for your, for your 912 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,360 wife's side of the family. And she's connected to your 913 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,840 wife's side of the family, but she's a woman too. 914 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:23,080 She calls herself a mom. She wants to mention your wife 915 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,080 being a mom. She also talks about three 916 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,160 children. So do you have three children or 917 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,120 does your wife have the three children? 918 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,800 Well, we would have the same children. 919 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,280 We only have two OK. All right, so is your wife one 920 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,280 of three? Children. 921 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,920 My Her brother has three children. 922 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,400 OK, all right, good. So let me just see where this is 923 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,720 going. This woman is mentioning your 924 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,320 wife. She's mentioning your wife being 925 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,240 a mom, and then she wants to bring up the three children. 926 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,680 So if the three children are connected to your mother, your 927 00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:01,880 wife's brother is your wife and her brother not always talking 928 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,120 consistently? No, they're close. 929 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,880 They're close. So who's in the family? 930 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,800 Stop talking to someone that would be connected on your mom's 931 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,560 side. I mean your wife's side. 932 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040 Who's not talking to who on my on that side? 933 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,000 I mean, you know. She talks about someone that's 934 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,720 not communicating anymore or stopped communicating in that 935 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:25,880 family. And it's kind of interesting 936 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,600 because she keeps showing me like she's writing you. 937 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,360 She wants to bring up your wife in a very big way. 938 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200 I don't know if your wife is supposed to be your wife thought 939 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,000 she was going to be a teacher or something in her early life or 940 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000 something. But she keeps saying she could 941 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,440 have been a teacher. She's showing me like very 942 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,120 pretty handwriting, that she's very detailed oriented, that she 943 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,960 documents things very well. She's very like honing in on 944 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,320 your wife right now and she's very good at demonstrating or 945 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,000 illustrating or teaching. She keeps wanting to do this 946 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,920 with her and she's very, very proud of her. 947 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,920 She keeps bringing that up. Your wife had like a very 948 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,080 different life in her earlier years because she says that your 949 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,360 wife made like a shift in her personality. 950 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,320 So I don't know if she was very quiet in the beginning and now 951 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,920 she's more social or outgoing, but she's very proud of your 952 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,120 wife and like the change that she made. 953 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,960 Personally. Someone's name is either a 954 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,120 Michael or a Michelle, but she keeps talking about that kind of 955 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,880 a name, like an MIC, kind of a name like that, like a Michael 956 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,040 or a Michelle. Do you understand what she means 957 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,280 about your wife changing? Like being quieter and now 958 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,480 becoming more social or involved? 959 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,560 Well, my wife has always been, well, since as long as I've 960 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,480 known her, very independent and driven and career. 961 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,760 She's an agent. So she is quite meticulous. 962 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,240 And she is also a social advocate for, you know, gender 963 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,000 equality. OK. 964 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,400 Would you have known her when she was a little girl, like at 965 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,600 school? All right. 966 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,440 I did not want. To check in with her and see if 967 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,240 she was quiet or like more reserved, because now she's 968 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,760 talking about her being very social and very involved, she 969 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,040 says. That was like more of like a 970 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,640 like a major shift or a change in her personality. 971 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,680 So maybe it's a little girl. I feel like it's the opposite, 972 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,720 like she was she was probably more social than she is now. 973 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,960 I was a little girl. I don't know, but she's talking 974 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,920 about the shift and she's very happy about what she has done 975 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,280 with herself. There's something about 976 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,320 teaching, demonstrating or educating that she keeps focused 977 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,120 on. So there's a big piece there 978 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,440 that she keeps wanting to kind of bring up. 979 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,960 Who's the Michael or the Michelle? 980 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,600 I have to think I don't know any. 981 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:10,640 OK, there's a Michael who is my sister in I I mean I the only 982 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,920 Michelle I know is is a friend of mine from high school. 983 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,440 OK. So if Michael is the sister, is 984 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,000 the brother-in-law that would be on your wife's family, correct? 985 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,880 Yeah, yeah. And this is where this lady is 986 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,640 coming from. He's been out of the picture for 987 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:34,520 a bit. OK, is there someone named like 988 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,360 Josh or Jason? I keep saying like AJS 989 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,480 combination too. In my life or in her life? 990 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,720 No, it feels connected with your wife. 991 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,680 It's either a Josh or like a Jason. 992 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,960 I see like the JS combines. I like how my reading, Of course 993 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,240 she she takes over. She's taking over my reading. 994 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,040 All of a sudden she's not even here. 995 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,960 She's dominating every aspect of what I got it going on. 996 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,320 Oh my gosh, it's so funny. I know when we can't control, it 997 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,760 comes through. Just like I said, once you open 998 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,280 that door, if someone is connected to you, they can come 999 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,800 over. I cannot check this out with 1000 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,440 your wife after the reading. Just write all this stuff down. 1001 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,640 I'm. Writing it all down right now. 1002 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,840 I'm taking notes so I'll have to ask her. 1003 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,680 Yeah, it's very interesting too, because I have a man on the 1004 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,240 other side who feels very connected to you. 1005 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,480 He wants to talk about being having a significance to 1006 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,480 traveling over a bridge. He he's older man. 1007 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:42,000 He talks about working very hard and there's a significance about 1008 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,520 going from one earring to another, but there's a 1009 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,560 significance of a bridge. So either someone lived here and 1010 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800 then worked there and they had to go back and forth over a 1011 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,760 bridge, but he feels very tied to bringing up the bridge. 1012 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200 Like a literal bridge. Yeah, it's almost like I'm 1013 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,440 looking at like the George Washington Bridge. 1014 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,840 Like that's a bridge that goes from New York to New Jersey. 1015 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,080 He's showing me like a bridge like that. 1016 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,840 So either. He's bringing that up like he 1017 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,120 lived in this state, then he moved to that state, or he had 1018 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,920 to work in one state and, and, and live in the other. 1019 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,920 But he's bringing up traveling over a bridge that has a 1020 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,640 significance to it. He feels connected to you. 1021 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,080 He feels older than you. He feels family, OK. 1022 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,240 He feels like he's a hard worker and he feels very like he's kind 1023 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,360 of his morals are like doing things the right way, being the 1024 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,600 right way, saying the things the right way. 1025 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,120 He feels very tied to his morals. 1026 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,000 What else can you? What else do you get from this 1027 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,240 person? It's kind of interesting because 1028 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:52,080 I get this feeling of I just want to shake my arms out. 1029 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,560 I feel like there's either a stiffness or there's an 1030 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,520 athleticism, but I feel like I want to shift my arms out or 1031 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,240 shake my arms out with him. And I'm not sure why. 1032 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,800 He's got a little bit of restless energy to him. 1033 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,880 I feel like if he's going, he's going. 1034 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,160 If he's stopped, then he's like struggles with being stopped. 1035 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,760 This is someone that in his good days he had a lot of energy. 1036 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,240 I do feel like he's a like a like a he wants to defend 1037 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,240 people. He's very much being on what's 1038 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,120 right and what's wrong, like very particular about being 1039 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:34,160 right and what's wrong. Just very the restless energy. 1040 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,080 He feels like, I want to say he's a mentor, but he also feels 1041 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,560 a little fatherly. He gives off this kind of 1042 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,080 protector fatherly feeling with it. 1043 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,520 He also talks about I don't know what this is, someone when he 1044 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,680 passed was out of the country or someone when he passed was 1045 01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,000 travelling around the world or in or at a distance because he 1046 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,080 talks about someone not being around or someone was on a 1047 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,200 significant travel when he passed. 1048 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,800 That to me is like a very specific information. 1049 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,680 So he's talking about having knowledge of that or, or that 1050 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,640 was around his passing. He also brings up the month of 1051 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,960 October as being very important. When they bring up a month, it's 1052 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,960 either someone's birthday, anniversary or a passing. 1053 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,200 He's showing me the month of October. 1054 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,880 He also knows you or he, he says he knows you. 1055 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,880 He talks about how sometimes you have difficulty with your back 1056 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,400 or your neck and your back because he puts his hand down 1057 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,920 what looks like an X-ray. He's showing me like a spinal 1058 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,120 cord on an X-ray and he's putting his hand down this 1059 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,760 X-ray. So I don't know if you have 1060 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,160 those difficulties, but he's talking about neck and back 1061 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,600 discomfort on you, or maybe that's a previous thing. 1062 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,960 I don't know, but he's showing that to me. 1063 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,560 He also wants to bring up, I see like a little video camera, like 1064 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,600 a very quick clip. He's showing me a little boy on 1065 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,480 a swing. So I don't know if that's a 1066 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,080 video that you have of a little boy on a swing or the little boy 1067 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,160 on the swing is you. I don't know. 1068 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,760 But I keep seeing a little clip of a little boy on a swing. 1069 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,960 And he also was very particular about things being done because 1070 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,960 I'm hearing like a part of a conversation about someone 1071 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,960 having like plumbing work done or it's like, if you're going to 1072 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,880 fix it, fix it, right? I don't want to have to come and 1073 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,440 call you back. There's something about water 1074 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,680 damage or being worried about having a flood or something. 1075 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,560 But I'm hearing bits and pieces of a conversation about a 1076 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,920 frustration of wanting them to do it right the first time. 1077 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,280 And he's very big on people doing their job right. 1078 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,320 That's what he's showing me. He's joking around because he's, 1079 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:07,600 he's I, I don't want to say Hickey or maybe a little frugal, 1080 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,400 but he's saying like he, he doesn't need a lot. 1081 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,400 I'm very simple. I don't need a lot. 1082 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,280 And he's being very, he's being very particular. 1083 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,280 Like if he likes something, he likes it, but he's not just 1084 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,240 going to go or shopping to shop. He's being like very particular 1085 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,200 like that. Do you understand him? 1086 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:35,880 There's a lot of things in there that feel that you hit on that 1087 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,160 I, that, I mean, I have an older brother who passed. 1088 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,440 He's 10 years older than me. I don't know, the swing thing. 1089 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:44,920 He could have been pushing me on a swing again. 1090 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,800 He was 10 years older than me. I could have been little, but I 1091 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,440 was out of the country when he passed. 1092 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,320 My birthday is in October. OK. 1093 01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:03,360 Those were definite specifics. But yeah, I mean, I found out 1094 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,320 about it. I was away on vacation out of 1095 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,800 the country. He was very protective of both 1096 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,480 me and my sister. I have an older sister. 1097 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:19,560 My sister's the oldest. She's 12 years older than me, so 1098 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,920 and he and he passed away about 10 years ago or so. 1099 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,000 That's super interested, but he was very protective and like 1100 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,760 defender. He was a mechanic, very 1101 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,960 meticulous. I don't know what the bridge 1102 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:46,840 reference is other than he constantly he he used to like 1103 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,960 work on them because he was in the union and drive a lot. 1104 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,880 So he might have, he was a, you know, he's a truck driver and a 1105 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:58,480 union guy. And he, he always used to joke 1106 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,000 about like we have, I have a real, he's always thought he was 1107 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,320 an idiot. And he's like, oh, that guy's an 1108 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,120 idiot. He was slinging pizza and I was 1109 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,840 building bridges, was always his joke about him. 1110 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,200 The bridges, OK, all right, which it? 1111 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,960 Could be. I mean, it could be for sure. 1112 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,520 It's just an interesting sort of hit. 1113 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,400 Yeah, he was very meticulous in building things. 1114 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,200 He was a big model maker. He used to build model airplanes 1115 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,720 all the time as well, like a hobby. 1116 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,400 I don't know about the other stuff in terms of making. 1117 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,520 Worried about like if you're going to fix it, fix it right, I 1118 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,200 don't want you coming back. I don't want to flood like if 1119 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,240 somebody's messing around with the plumbing, he doesn't want it 1120 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,280 not done right because he doesn't want to flood. 1121 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,080 So there has to be a significant like a plumbing story where 1122 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:52,080 someone had like water damage because he very specifically 1123 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,800 showed me like flood or like water damage. 1124 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,440 I don't know. That's my sister. 1125 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,600 She might know all. Right. 1126 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,360 Good. Yeah, It's very interesting 1127 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,400 because he also, and I don't know what this is because as 1128 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,840 you're talking, I still keep see stuff. 1129 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,800 So I don't know if it was you or him that played football, but 1130 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,080 he's showing me a kid wearing like a white football jersey 1131 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,880 with like a number on it. He's showing me like 17 on a 1132 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,920 football jersey. I don't know why. 1133 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,160 I don't know. What me? 1134 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,800 OK, I don't know what that means, but he shows me that. 1135 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:38,560 Do you understand that He showed me your back or your neck being 1136 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:45,120 troubled because he well. I had, I had, I have had 1137 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,360 injuries but not back or neck that he would know about. 1138 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,440 OK. So, so that's an important 1139 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,520 point. As a medium, they continue to 1140 01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,240 see your life after they pass so they can bring up a significant 1141 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,080 event that happened a month ago to you because they continue to 1142 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,080 see our life as a medium. That's the piece in the reading 1143 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,760 that I like best because it proves that their last living 1144 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,880 day is not their last seeing day. 1145 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,279 So the back and the neck, Did you have that back and neck 1146 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,040 thing happen somewhere? No, I'm sorry. 1147 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,359 I don't have like I, I don't have a back or neck thing. 1148 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,399 I mean I've had a shoulder issue. 1149 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,479 He I mean, I had when, you know, he was around a jaw. 1150 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,279 A jaw was broken. Oh wow, OK so did they when he 1151 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:41,000 shows me an X-ray, is there a significance to getting like 1152 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,560 X-ray work with whatever? I had a ton of X-rays and I had 1153 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,960 my jaw wired up. All right, so when you listen 1154 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,160 back, he talks about an X-ray for some reason why he was 1155 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,760 showing me back or a neck. But maybe that's just to show 1156 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,080 that that's an X-ray. I don't know. 1157 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,479 I just try to explain it as I see it. 1158 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,080 The football jersey and the number 17. 1159 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,399 I've seen weird things in readings where I say, oh, that's 1160 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,560 football jersey. Sometimes they do something like 1161 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:17,640 that for me to make me look at an an age like 17 or to make me 1162 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,200 look at a number like the date. So if you don't understand the 1163 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:28,080 football reference, is there a significance to 17 so that being 1164 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,399 like a birthday, a passing date or an age like someone could 1165 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,640 have been? It doesn't. 1166 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,560 Not off the bat. Not off the bat. 1167 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,840 I mean, I'll. Leave it alone. 1168 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,120 I don't get too crazy with a lot of this stuff. 1169 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,560 I just give it to you, but it did feel significant. 1170 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,479 I once for a reading and it's really odd. 1171 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,479 I was so I was like demanding this number and the person's 1172 01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:53,960 like, I have no idea what you're talking about. 1173 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,120 And then like 2 weeks later they emailed me and I kept repeating 1174 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,760 the number and it bothered them. They went back. 1175 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,360 That was the house number the person lived in. 1176 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,480 Literally it was like 465 or whatever it was so. 1177 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,920 I have to look. I'll have to look. 1178 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,880 There's something there and there's just one other thing. 1179 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,880 It feels very random. Who in your family would have 1180 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,160 been known for drinking an exotic cocktail? 1181 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,280 Like if somebody said I'll have a Blue Hawaii or whatever 1182 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,000 because he's joking around saying who's ordering like the 1183 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,840 cookie drink or the Blue Hawaii or whatever, Who would have had 1184 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,480 like a fruity tooty kind of cocktail because he's joking 1185 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,320 around. Like really, you ordered that? 1186 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,520 Like he's doing like a funny, like Blue Hawaii, kind of a 1187 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,080 drink joke. I'm going to ask my sister. 1188 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,800 OK, alright. 'Cause I it's not. 1189 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,640 I'm trying to think if there's any specific situations. 1190 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,840 He shows me almost like, you know, I used to bartend back 1191 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,920 like 30 something years ago. There's something called Blue 1192 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,240 Curacao or something. Yeah. 1193 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,160 And showing me like that. So it's like a really like 1194 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,080 exotic thing. Is there like a Marie or a 1195 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,520 Marion that you guys are connected to? 1196 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,560 Yeah, well, my mother's name is Anne Marie. 1197 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,640 Oh, all right, OK, all right. And who's born in June? 1198 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,040 Because he keeps showing me June says Talk about June, talk about 1199 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,960 June. So who's the June baby? 1200 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,840 Who is June? I don't know. 1201 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,440 Actually, I don't know when his daughter's birthday is. 1202 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,360 All right, so check that out. He also says that he has a dog 1203 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,040 on the other side. So when you guys were growing 1204 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,880 up, did you grow up with a dog? No, he never. 1205 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,080 We never did. My mother never had pets. 1206 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,720 So who's the dog that would be connected to him that's on the 1207 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,240 other side? I don't know. 1208 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,440 I don't, I don't. I don't have a clue. 1209 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,000 So after he passed, did someone in his family have a dog? 1210 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,600 My sister always has dogs. OK. 1211 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:06,640 All right. Dogs. 1212 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,800 We both have dogs. Who has the black or very dark 1213 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,880 brown? Dog. 1214 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,080 I have a black dog. And it's on the other side. 1215 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,600 No. Oh, well, I have one that's on 1216 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,960 the other side. There's a little one, yeah. 1217 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,360 He has the dark or very brown blackish dog. 1218 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,360 It's a dark colored dog. He has a. 1219 01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:28,400 Small dog. It looks medium to bigger. 1220 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,000 Could be one of my sisters. All right, so check that. 1221 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,880 And who's Scott or Steve? I keep hearing Scott and I hear 1222 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:43,280 Steve. Scott or Steve, There's a couple 1223 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,760 of Scott. There's a Scotty that would be 1224 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:56,040 his, you know, his nephew. Steve, I don't know. 1225 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,000 He's kind of showing me. I don't know if you would know 1226 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,840 what he's showing me for me to say. 1227 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,040 Steve. He's showing me the guy from 1228 01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,160 Sopranos. Do you know the actor Steve 1229 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:15,560 Schirripa, whatever his name is? Yeah, he's showing me that guy, 1230 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,920 Steve Schirpa guy, the guy that did The Sopranos. 1231 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,240 So do you like? My brother, my brother lived a 1232 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,920 very different life where he was kind of a A2 bit thug and and 1233 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,480 gangster. Oh, look at Soprano. 1234 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,600 He's kind of yeah, yeah. You know it's. 1235 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,400 Really weird because he was showing me that actor. 1236 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,400 He certainly, he certainly used to light up garbage trucks in 1237 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,360 the 80s for for families. He's one of those guys. 1238 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,840 Wow, that's so interesting because he kept showing me that, 1239 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,720 Steve, and then he shows me the guy from The Soprano. 1240 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,600 So that's interesting, yeah. Yeah, that's wow. 1241 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,720 That is really I. I always find this fascinating 1242 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:59,880 myself because that was really interesting, the way he did 1243 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:04,120 that. Who in the family would be, I 1244 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,440 call it a water bug. Who in the family can't get out 1245 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,760 of the water? Can't like goes in the water and 1246 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,200 doesn't want to leave? You have to like, pull them out 1247 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,720 by their hair. Who's the water person? 1248 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,400 Swimming maniac? Whatever. 1249 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:25,000 Who's the My son is the. Love of the water, like I can't 1250 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,680 get him out of the water he's showing me. 1251 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,200 Like trying to pull someone out of the water by their hair. 1252 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,040 Well, my son is a big water bug. But they didn't. 1253 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,120 They don't really know each other and they never really got 1254 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,200 to know each other. That's the piece. 1255 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,400 That's the piece. We think of what they would have 1256 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,360 seen when they were here, but they keep seeing even though 1257 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,720 they're there. I know it's a hard concept for 1258 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,640 the living to understand that, but as a medium, we see them 1259 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,520 continue to see our lives, right? 1260 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,240 That's hard for the living to understand. 1261 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,840 Do you know what I mean? Like we see the funeral, we see 1262 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,560 the casket, we see the whole thing as the end, but as a 1263 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,720 medium, we see them seeing everything that we're still 1264 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,800 doing. What do you what are like when 1265 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,600 you're getting this visions? What are you seeing? 1266 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,360 Are you seeing a form? Are you seeing a? 1267 01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,600 Sometimes I see a face, sometimes I see an action, 1268 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:30,040 sometimes I hear a conversation. So with the first lady, she was 1269 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:34,360 very much showing me doing this in a mirror, fixing her hair, 1270 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,800 like that has to be significant because she wanted me to see 1271 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,400 that. With your brother, he's more 1272 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:46,680 dictating stuff to me. He's telling me stuff like say 1273 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,640 this, say that, say this, say that, do this, do that. 1274 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,680 He's more like could His personality is a little 1275 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,840 controlling because I keep asking questions like tell me 1276 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,000 what happened to you. Tell me this, tell me that. 1277 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,640 He's not listening to me. He's talking about what he wants 1278 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,160 to talk about. And that comes through as his 1279 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,120 personality. He's like, I'm going to be in 1280 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,840 charge. The other lady was I said what 1281 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,720 happened to you? And she says I'm very sick. 1282 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,480 I have this problem and that problem. 1283 01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:19,600 And so she was following along with me, but he's not. 1284 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,920 He was a big personality, that is for sure. 1285 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,080 He's throwing things in like the 17 and the football jersey and 1286 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,640 the swing, and it's hard to keep up with him. 1287 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,480 His personality is a little bit all over the place, I have to be 1288 01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:36,600 honest. That's that's possible. 1289 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,160 That is very much. He was a big personality, and he 1290 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:47,600 was, yeah. Would you know someone named 1291 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,200 Tim? Do I know someone named Tim? 1292 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:55,160 Would he know someone named Tim? Because he keeps showing me AT 1293 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,360 and an M that's either a Tim or a Tom. 1294 01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,920 He's keeping it like really small for me. 1295 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,720 T and an M but he feels connected to it. 1296 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,560 Could it be a person or a place? I don't know. 1297 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,440 It feels like a name. I feel very compelled to talk 1298 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:19,120 about Tim or a Tom. Would you know New Jersey? 1299 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,160 Well, my sister lives in Toms River. 1300 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:28,640 Thank you. I don't know where that is, but 1301 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,960 he keeps showing me where I'm by. 1302 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,360 The shore. It's by the shore. 1303 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,640 Well, he keeps showing me Fort Dix and that's where I retired 1304 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,240 from. So is Toms River near Fort Dix. 1305 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,120 I don't know that. Let me ask my sister. 1306 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,160 Fort Dix is like, I don't know how to explain it. 1307 01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,640 It's like just before Atlantic City. 1308 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,640 It's pretty far down. He's showing me Fort Dix. 1309 01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,240 So if he's showing me Fort Dix, who would have who would have 1310 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:06,680 served in the military or went through Fort Dix or cause during 1311 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,600 Vietnam? A lot of people went through 1312 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,920 Fort Dix to go to Vietnam. So he's showing me like Fort 1313 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,960 Dix. So who would be affiliated with 1314 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,360 Fort Dix? I don't know. 1315 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,720 I mean like you used to go, I don't know. 1316 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,640 I don't know that that I don't know about military for him. 1317 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,560 Unless he's bringing up someone that went to Vietnam through 1318 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,440 there, you may not know that. I don't know who would have gone 1319 01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:40,840 through Vietnam. My, my, oh, there was a Tim in 1320 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,480 my brother's life. OK. 1321 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,800 Very significant, my sister's telling me. 1322 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,120 Oh, good. All right. 1323 01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,640 And who? Who's known for having a tattoo 1324 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,480 on their back or their shoulder? I keep wanting to do this. 1325 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:55,920 He did. I did. 1326 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,000 I do. We both. 1327 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,240 We have tattoos. Yeah. 1328 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,960 Yeah. Has more of like an eagle kind 1329 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,760 of soaring kind of thing. Oh, I think he's got. 1330 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,200 I think that's him. I'm asking my sister. 1331 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,440 Are you chit chatting with? Her I'm asking her she's like in 1332 01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:17,040 it now. I feel like you did have 1333 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:21,680 something feels. Very like soaring eagle feeling. 1334 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,120 I just feel very soaring eagle on the shoulder. 1335 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,760 I don't know why. I have an Angel on my shoulder. 1336 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,560 Is it wings? Yeah. 1337 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,040 OK, could be you check with your sister, but I'm going to. 1338 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,000 Check with the. OK, there's also he's bringing 1339 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,520 up your father's side of the family is very different than 1340 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:41,960 your mother's side of the family. 1341 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:47,520 One of the two sides he's bringing up someone was like 1342 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,360 battling a religion or simple. We have different fathers. 1343 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,960 OK, All right, so. There was Jewish. 1344 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,520 OK, he's I. Was raised Catholic and we were 1345 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,640 all raised Catholic. OK, he talks about someone 1346 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,160 battling religion. In the family. 1347 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,640 So who didn't want someone to do 1 religion? 1348 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:12,440 Who is the battle? Of that's my mother snuck me off 1349 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,560 to get baptized and my brother was my godfather. 1350 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,120 Tell my father all right that she was doing that. 1351 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,680 OK. And yeah. 1352 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,080 Because he's talking about a battle of the religion. 1353 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,240 OK, Wow, that's really significant. 1354 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,920 Wow, that's interesting. Your brother, I don't know. 1355 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:39,120 He gives me, He takes a pack of cigarettes and throws it across 1356 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,320 the room. So what is that? 1357 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,920 I don't know, but he's a smoker. OK, all right. 1358 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,720 Did someone try to get him to stop? 1359 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,480 I'm sure everybody tried to get him to stop. 1360 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,400 I don't know what that is because he's giving me a very 1361 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:57,520 like, like an angry throw, like like that kind of a yeah, It's 1362 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,320 very interesting. There's got to be a significant 1363 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,120 flood because he brings it up again. 1364 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,240 Your sister's house might have been flooded at one time or 1365 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,400 something. Or ask her if she had a flood. 1366 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,160 She told me that they were he was cleaning parts with brake 1367 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:20,000 cleaner at a sink somewhere and the fumes from the brake cleaner 1368 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,520 got ignited from the hot water heater under the sink. 1369 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,440 It was a big fire and damage from water that way. 1370 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,280 And it would, and it scared the shit out of them. 1371 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,320 OK, so maybe somebody didn't fix that correctly and that's why 1372 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,840 that happened. Do you remember on You'll have 1373 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,480 it on the tape, He said if you're going to do a job, make 1374 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,400 sure you do it right. Remember him saying like he 1375 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,960 wanted, if you do a job, you got to do it right. 1376 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:49,880 He's very worried about a flood. I'll ask, I'll find out. 1377 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,720 That doesn't mean much to me. All right, well, she may know 1378 01:21:52,720 --> 01:22:00,680 more most of this, but if your sister's there, ask her if she 1379 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,880 has the weak ankle. He says 1 of you guys has an 1380 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,480 ankle that rolls or had a weak ankle and he said. 1381 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,160 I broke my ankle when I was 16. Oh wow, he says. 1382 01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,320 It could still be weak, so he says keep an eye on that. 1383 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,800 How dare he? Yeah, but he's trying to help 1384 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,320 you. He's very protective. 1385 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:29,000 I have to say. He he's kind of funny because he 1386 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,080 just showed me like a very different thing. 1387 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,280 And I don't know if it's going to make sense to you. 1388 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,960 There's I'm friends with a lot of people in the music business. 1389 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,360 He just showed me a Danzig album. 1390 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,400 So would he be interested in any kind of like crazy music like 1391 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,040 that Danzig? Do you know he was? 1392 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,720 You know, he was all 80s like he grew up like that was, he was 1393 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,920 Mr. Mötley Crüe and and like that was his, you know. 1394 01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,520 So let me just give you a little background on Danzig. 1395 01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:59,760 Do you know it? Of course. 1396 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:00,960 Oh, good. All right. 1397 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,920 So he's giving me. I'm friends with Johnny Kelly, 1398 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,960 the drummer. He's giving me a very Pete 1399 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,320 Steele feeling. So Pete Steele was that dramatic 1400 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,440 singer. He had like a very dark 1401 01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:17,120 personality kind of a thing. He's bringing that up like 1402 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,120 giving, giving me a Dean Zig conversation. 1403 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,800 So would he have followed someone like Pete? 1404 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,640 Pete was like very dark. He had like kind of like he did 1405 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,200 like almost like crazy soft point or something at one time. 1406 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,000 I mean, it was like a little bizarre stuff. 1407 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,760 I don't know. I don't know. 1408 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:39,520 It's hard that you know, he was very his musical taste and like 1409 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,160 how into music he was. It's hard to say. 1410 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,000 I just know he was like, and I'm a musician myself. 1411 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,000 I'm I was a drummer, you know, drummer and I made a few 1412 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,160 records. I opened for some bands and he 1413 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,560 was just like, he's, you know, all right. 1414 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,640 So see what that Danzig thing is, because it feels very 1415 01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,360 specific to Danzig and I don't know why it looks like I'm 1416 01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,160 looking at like a black album. It looks like I'm looking at 1417 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,760 like a skull head. I mean, other than that, was it 1418 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,840 the Misfits? I mean this Misfits have a very 1419 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,840 significant. That seemed a little too punk 1420 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,000 rock for him. He was more, you know, he was 1421 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,320 again more into that power pop power rock, 80s hair metal it. 1422 01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:23,360 Is but I feel like I'm looking at like a black album with like 1423 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,400 a skull head on it all. Right, I'll look it up. 1424 01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:28,240 I'll fight the dig. I'll have to fight figure that 1425 01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,280 out after. And just one other thing that he 1426 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,160 said it before, but I'm coming back to it. 1427 01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:36,640 Is there a Greg? A Greg. 1428 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:44,280 Yeah, or like Gregory, Greg Click. 1429 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,880 Not a common name. That's why I came back to it. 1430 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,920 Just I don't know, is it? He's not trying to say. 1431 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,160 Gary, do you forget my name? No, this feels more like Greg. 1432 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,680 How do you hear the words? How do you know it's Greg? 1433 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,120 Sometimes they show me, sometimes I hear it and I hear 1434 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,520 Greg. Greg like that. 1435 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,280 Like Greg. So unless it's Craig. 1436 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,200 So Craig and Greg sound closer than Greg and Gary. 1437 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,160 Do you see how the how? So it's either a Craig or a 1438 01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,680 Greg. It's hard to explain. 1439 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,720 I wish you could go in my head. It's amazing. 1440 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,800 Go in my head. Look, some of these are really, 1441 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,000 I got chills when you talked about being out of the country 1442 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:39,000 when he passed. That was pretty intense. 1443 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:47,840 And some of these, yeah, Tim is pretty significant in his life. 1444 01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:53,640 OK, do you have any specific questions for me? 1445 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:59,320 Sometimes people ask a question and I could see if they answer 1446 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,040 it, but I never guarantee that, especially with someone like 1447 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,680 your brother's personality is very much in charge. 1448 01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,440 Kyle, what can I ask him? You know, it's like, what would 1449 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:17,400 I ever ask him? So. 1450 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,320 It's tough, tough to. Well, let me let me give you 1451 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,800 something that I see and I don't know what it means. 1452 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,440 Do you understand like a a weather vane? 1453 01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,840 You mean like the things that blow at the Yeah. 1454 01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,120 Sometimes it's on a house it says, like north-south, East, 1455 01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,400 West. Who had that? 1456 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,320 Who had a weather vane? I don't know. 1457 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,520 We always lived in an apartment. We never had a house. 1458 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,840 I don't know who that would be. Somebody he knows. 1459 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:50,840 Maybe it? Feels more tied to like someone 1460 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:56,680 who who had a farm or someone that lives in the country. 1461 01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:01,320 So who do you know that had like a barn with that thing on it? 1462 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,960 It may not be tied to him, it may be tied to you. 1463 01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,960 Do you know the people with the farm? 1464 01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:13,440 I don't know anybody with a farm. 1465 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,360 I am not farm people and you know your. 1466 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,040 Sister, would she know someone that have horses or have a farm? 1467 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,960 I mean, my daughter goes to school with the horses she's in 1468 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,400 a, she's in a more of a, a very ranch style school now, OK. 1469 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,560 Have you been to that school? Oh yeah, many times. 1470 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,480 OK. Do they have a barn where the 1471 01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,280 horses are? Yeah, for sure. 1472 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,040 OK, there's weather being there. That I won't, I never noticed. 1473 01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:46,320 OK. I should do it and see if you 1474 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:51,240 guys can see that. If that's there, then for me 1475 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,640 that would be a big acknowledgement that that school 1476 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,840 is going to be very important in her future. 1477 01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:04,400 OK, right, right. OK. 1478 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,400 I'll ask her. Any specific type of weather 1479 01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,840 vane? I'm just saying, you know how 1480 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,800 they say like north-south, east, West, you know, and the thing 1481 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:18,160 goes around, that's also if that thing is there on the property 1482 01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:24,800 and any kind of formation, that would be very important because 1483 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,120 he gives me the feeling that that's important. 1484 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,480 But also the weathervane itself talks about direction, like 1485 01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:33,960 where are you headed? Are you going north? 1486 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,080 Are you going South? So if that school brings her to 1487 01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,560 a better place in her future, that would be going in the right 1488 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,120 direction. OK. 1489 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:46,880 Do, Steven. Have to ask her. 1490 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,680 Yeah, yeah. They never had much of a 1491 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,920 relationship either because she was very little and they didn't 1492 01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:52,920 see much of each other. But you know, when he passed, 1493 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,440 you know, before he passed. So it was like, you know, they 1494 01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:58,720 don't. My kids don't really remember 1495 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,560 him that much. Yeah, but but you know your 1496 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,200 daughter and your daughter is important to you. 1497 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,920 So he would be giving you kind of directional information. 1498 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:11,640 Right. Yeah. 1499 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,080 All right, that's a lot. My sister's nagging me over text 1500 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,400 right now. It's like he's like she wants to 1501 01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,440 know. You should have like plugged her 1502 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,120 in maybe? Figured out that's her problem? 1503 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,880 Well, that's it for another episode of Splintered Spirits. 1504 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,720 Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to our YouTube 1505 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,960 channel, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1506 01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,360 Until next time, stay curious.