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I finally kind of got the guts 
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coming in my room? 
Who are you? 

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He sat on my bed and he said. 
Jeffrey Epstein 

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Welcome to Splintered Spirits, 

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the podcast hosted by me, Gary 
and my nephew John Santa from 

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Santa Paranormal. 
On this episode, we're talking 

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to the better half, definitely 
the better looking half, no 

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offense. 
Nick of a paranormal power 

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couple, Tessa Groff. 
Tessa truly lives with one foot 

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in this world and 1 foot on the 
other side. 

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Tessa is a world renowned 
psychic medium whose abilities 

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began in childhood and went 
supernova after a near death 

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experience at the age of four. 
She tried to live a normal life,

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studying education and mental 
health counseling, teaching in 

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tough inner City Schools near 
Niagara Falls, and doing 

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readings on the side until the 
messages she was getting for 

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students, parents and strangers 
became impossible to ignore. 

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Since then, Tessa has helped 
grieving families and law 

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enforcement on active and cold 
cases, remotely tracked missing 

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people across the country, and 
delivered the kind of specific 

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validations that can change a 
mother's entire understanding of

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how her child passed. 
She's taking that same grounded,

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no BS approach into theater 
shows where spirits hijacked the

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night with family secrets and 
into haunted locations with her 

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husband, paranormal legend Nick 
Roth, where her intuition and 

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his gear collide, sometimes in 
perfect sync and sometimes in 

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basement arguments over doors 
that should probably stay 

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closed. 
We'll get into all of it. 

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What spirits are to her, how she
draws the line between mental 

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health and mediumship, and what 
it's really like to work crime 

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scenes and haunted homes with 
your spouse. 

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And how do you raise six kids in
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Or just a part of the 
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Let's dive into it with Tessa 
Groff. 

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Tessa, what's up? 
What's going on guys? 

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Welcome to splintered spirits. 
Thanks for having me. 

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No, thank you for doing this. 
This is, I mean, yeah, it's 

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great. 
We have a lot of fun here doing 

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this thing. 
And you are someone who's been 

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popping up in my feed so often 
as I'm diving into this entire 

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paranormal space with, you know,
everything that you do in this, 

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from going to locations to doing
live shows. 

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And that's kind of that's just 
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of you as a sort of a medium and
a paranormal investigator. 

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So I kind of want to dive right 
in on this with you, if you 

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don't mind. 
So I know you've said before 

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that you've you've gotten your 
abilities in childhood and, and 

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intensified after a near death 
experience. 

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What was what was that? 
What was that experience? 

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So I think I think I was born 
with the ability. 

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So I like to clarify that. 
I think that everybody who has 

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the ability is born with it. 
I know this to be true because 

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my grandmother, I believe, had 
the ability. 

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She'd never admit to it, but now
and then my mom has it. 

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And then I was born and I But 
the difference with me is that 

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when I was four, I was rushed 
into an emergency surgery 

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because of an illness that I had
had since birth, But nobody 

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really caught on to it. 
I come from a Italian family, 

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super super aggressive and my 
mom was not going to let this 

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slide. 
So she literally went to 

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everybody she possibly could and
she finally got a Doctor Who 

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diagnosed me and was like, she 
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But this is like a big deal. 
Most other doctors didn't even 

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want to perform it on me. 
But in the meantime my body was 

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literally poisoning itself, so I
was going into stages of sepsis,

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so. 
Jesus. 

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At 4:00, Yeah, like, like, not 
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pushing 4. 
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first thing I remember is back 
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years ago, they let my mom into 
the surgical room when they were

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putting me under, which they 
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And she's standing here and as 
I'm going to sleep, I remember 

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seeing faces kind of surround 
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When I woke up from that, I 
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everybody staring at me? 
And she said there was nobody 

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around me. 
Everybody had lined up like 

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doctors, nurses along the walls,
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The only person there would have
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anesthesiologist. 
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was like, this is weird. 
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hospital stay. 
I couldn't walk. 

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I had epidurals down my back. 
I had to learn to walk again 

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following that. 
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I'm in bed in the hospital and I
see the door open and white 

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lights come in, surround me and 
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And it was like I was wondering 
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Was it the meds? 
I look at my parents who are 

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sleeping on a cot. 
Nobody saw anything. 

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That was like the first time I 
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And then going home is really 
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So by the time I got home, I 
started having experiences every

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single night. 
So I do think that my near death

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experience, I think that maybe 
enhanced what I was born with 

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because when I went back home, I
started seeing a guy in my room 

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every single night. 
And like back then, if you think

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about like 80s, early 90s, 
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Like my mom had this curly black
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And so I would see this person 
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At first I would think it was my
mom, and as the person got 

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closer, I'm like #1 that's a guy
and #2 definitely not my mom. 

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I would freak out, go under the 
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And after this progressed for 
many days, I finally kind of got

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the guts to say, why are why do 
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Who are you? 
He sat on my bed and he said he 

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was my uncle. 
Jeffrey Epstein. 

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For sure, for sure. 
I was like, what the F? 

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But he gave nicknames that he 
called everybody. 

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He showed me the shirt that he 
was buried in. 

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He basically gave a very 
specific message to my mom and 

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my grandmother for his passing. 
So when I woke up the next day, 

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told them Long story short, and 
they're, you know, crying. 

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I thought maybe I was in 
trouble. 

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I don't know. 
But come to find out, I have the

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exact same ability as my mom as 
my grandmother. 

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And that was like the moment 
that my mom realized that I have

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the same ability as her. 
OK, so now you're a kid and 

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you're, you're growing up with 
this, right? 

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But you, you took a path of you 
sort of went into down education

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and clinical mental health. 
Isn't that correct? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So were you keeping it separate?

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Were you keeping the medium 
thing just personal and you were

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trying to pursue a different 
professional career? 

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What When did? 
When did these two worlds either

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collide or separate for you? 
Yeah, I tried to be normal. 

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I tried to be normal. 
That's what I was told to do. 

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Like if you really want the real
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school at all. 
I wanted to be a professional 

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dancer because my background is 
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I was a dancer from the time I 
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ago when I had my my last son. 
But so I was like hoping to be 

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Janet Jackson's backup dancer. 
Like that was really what I 

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wanted to do. 
But like my grandmother was, you

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know, strong headed Italians, 
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So I did and I tried to be 
normal and I was drawn though 

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into wanting to help people. 
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mental health and I wanted to 
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I was, I loved kids. 
So I went for teaching and then 

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my masters was in clinical 
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Where it separated was me 
thinking I was going to get 

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fired from my jobs because I 
would be either doing clinicals 

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for my masters or teaching in a 
school and I would be picking up

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on like I worked in an inner 
city school at the time so. 

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Where, whereabouts, Where are 
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I'm from Niagara Falls, NY. 
Oh, OK. 

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Yeah, like outside of Buffalo. 
Sure. 

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No, no, I went to school in 
Syracuse up there. 

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I know that. 
Oh, OK. 

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Yeah, I. 
Know the hell that is upstate 

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New York? 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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It's very fun. 
So we grew up around the black, 

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from Stefano Magadino to the mob
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So that was fun, but but besides
the fact so it was an inner city

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school, rough, rough, you know, 
neighborhood rough city. 

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And the kids unfortunately came 
to school with like a lot of 

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really tough things going on at 
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And I would pick up on like a 
father who was shot or stabbed 

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or I would pick up on, or the 
kids would talk to me about it. 

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And then like the teachers would
come to me and say, hey, you 

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know, what am I feeling? 
Or, And I'd be giving readings 

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in like the lunchroom. 
And then so I'm thinking to 

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myself, like, I'm going to get 
fired. 

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So I started really pushing more
toward doing the mediumship 

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because I also felt that with my
background, like clinical stuff,

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it kind of created boundaries 
for me where I couldn't be as 

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honest with people as I wanted 
to be. 

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Or like, if somebody's diagnosed
schizophrenic, but I'm positive 

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that they're really seeing 
spirit, like basically I'm going

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to get fired. 
So I just dropped it and I I 

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just started pursuing my career 
as a medium. 

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I first, like I never even 
imagined a tough. 

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I would never assume tough in 
inner city When I hear Niagara 

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Falls, I mean, I mean, not to 
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second, but I'm sort of thinking
like I never thought that that I

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always picture Niagara Falls 
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People were like, it was like 
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new. 
York's a mess. 

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Well, I know it's got part, but 
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that kind of thing that you 
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you know I can. 
Go. 

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I can go on and on. 
Yeah. 

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But not back in the day, like 
when I was a kid. 

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It was a tourist location. 
It was beautiful. 

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I mean, the area I grew up in 
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Like, they barely spoke English.
It was an Italian neighborhood. 

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You were safe to walk around. 
And I don't know if it was like 

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the mob involvement or whatever,
but you were safe. 

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And like, I was able to be 
outside and play and do whatever

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we had to do. 
And yeah, it was beautiful. 

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But over the years, it has 
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And it's really sad because it's
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world. 
So you would think, you know, 

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that it would be in better 
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But there's a lot of people 
fighting to get it better, so I 

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don't. 
Know it's got to be the mob, 

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probably the mob because that 
was where you would run booze 

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over from Canada real close, 
right? 

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That's probably why there's so 
many Italians over there, if you

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had to guess. 
Maybe. 

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Yeah. 
Maybe that's why, yeah. 

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All right, so you're you're 
fighting this, this battle with 

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yourself here, dealing from, you
know, keeping it in and what 

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about your your your early years
from there, then going into like

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certain locations, if you're 
fighting it at school, you're 

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going into these heavy location,
these locations that have heavy 

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activity for you. 
And when was like that first 

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feeling like, you know that this
is bigger than just this 

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one-on-one. 
I'm getting off this kid when 

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you're in and then you when you 
make that move. 

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Does that make sense? 
Does that question make sense? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So I mean, I there's a couple of

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things I think like I feel like 
I am I allowed to swear because 

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I yeah, yeah, for sure. 
OK cuz I'm trying to like. 

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OK, no, don't hold yourself 
back. 

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No, no, go for. 
It. 

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I have an awful mouth so I'm 
like, I'm not sure. 

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Me too. 
Me too. 

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You're good. 
Yeah, OK. 

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I've had a couple like kick in 
the ass moments like when I was 

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growing up where I feel like 
there was like that kick in the 

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ass to be like, you know what, 
you know, there this is, this is

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something different here. 
One of them, honest to God, one 

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of them was around 911 when that
took place. 

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I was in school the night 
before. 

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I'm actually writing a book and 
this is 1 of this takes up two 

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chapters of the book because 
it's a wild experience. 

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But I'm trying to like suppress 
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you think about it, you're 
trying to fit in. 

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People made fun of me having the
ability. 

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What school? 
Like middle school, High school?

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Where are you? 
You're very you look very young 

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to me. 
Thanks. 

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I'm serious. 
I don't feel it. 

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I feel like I'm 84. 
I, I think I was just, I was in 

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middle school approaching high 
school when 911 happened. 

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Oh my God. 
Yeah, she is very young. 

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You're getting younger than. 
Me, but I. 

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I I'm I was a senior. 
When that popped off, how were? 

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You. 
Yeah, well, I'll be, I'll be 37 

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in a couple weeks. 
So I mean, but so yeah, I'm in 

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like middle school and, and at 
the time I'm trying to fit in 

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and people would make fun of you
and things like that. 

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Not everybody believed in it 
either. 

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It was kind of something to make
fun of. 

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So I tried to keep it quiet. 
But I remember when 911 

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happened, the night before, I 
had these very vivid dreams and 

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I woke up choking, like I was 
foreseeing fire and I was 

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trapped in a building. 
And I remember waking up and my 

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mom was kind of like, what the 
hell is wrong with you? 

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You know, you're get back to 
sleep, you have school in the 

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morning. 
And I was coughing. 

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And so she actually thought I 
was getting sick. 

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And I said, no, it's the smoke. 
It's the smoke. 

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And she's like, there's, you 
know, there's no smoke. 

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You're out of your mind. 
Like there's no smoke. 

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You're fine. 
Your room is fine. 

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Everything's fine. 
And I go to school. 

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I was in home economics class 
and I remember I was going to 

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tell my best friend about this 
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And that's when the teacher 
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right before the second plane 
hit the towers. 

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So we were watching it live. 
And I remember the feeling that 

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I had was like so overwhelming. 
I actually had to run to the 

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bathroom and throw up because I 
was so overwhelmed with how I 

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like, I couldn't understand how 
I would have seen that or heard 

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like the noises that I heard in 
the dream of things collapsing 

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and cracking and breaking and 
people screaming. 

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And I couldn't understand it. 
And when I was watching it on 

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TV, it overwhelmed me so bad. 
And I think that was where I 

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realized that this ability, some
people call it a gift. 

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I don't call it a gift. 
It's it's like an ability, it's 

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a blessing and a curse. 
It's like, and and it's not 

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always pretty and it's not 
always happy and it's not always

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all those things, you know? 
So that was definitely one of 

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those times. 
And I don't know if that answers

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your question, but that was like
a point in time that really 

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shook me where I would realized 
that this was something it does.

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Answer. 
It does answer. 

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And it's it's when you realize 
there's something more. 

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Yeah. 
So when did and when did you 

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give up on the teaching and the 
clinical work? 

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That was, I was already like 
finishing my master's. 

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I had my first two sons. 
I became a single mom actually 

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right outside of college. 
So I was working. 

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I had my first two sons. 
I was only 24 when I had my 

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first son. 
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knowing like I have to take care
of these kids on my own and also

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I'm just not doing the right 
thing. 

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Like I'm supposed to be helping 
people in the way that I know 

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I'm supposed to be helping 
people. 

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I think both of those things 
shoved me into going into, you 

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know, pure mediumship. 
I will say this too, the other 

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thing that I recognized was I 
was doing readings outside of 

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everything. 
So like privately, I was doing 

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readings with people and I came 
across this woman and I did a 

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reading for her and she 
immediately I picked up on her 

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son. 
I already had had my son. 

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OK, so this is at a point where 
I'm like 24. 

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I had just had a son. 
Now I'm feeling all the feels of

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like what it's like to be a 
parent. 

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And then I sit with this woman 
and immediately I feel her son 

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come through. 
And the story that I gave her 

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from her son was that he didn't 
mean to pass away. 

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He was by the falls. 
I'll never forget seeing it. 

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He was sitting by the falls. 
He liked to draw, so he would 

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put himself by the gorge and he 
had like an easel and he would 

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be drying. 
And I guess one day he slipped 

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and he fell into the gorge. 
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kind of considered it like he, 
it was like a suicide. 

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They were trying to say that 
this kid must have done this, 

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right? 
The kid came through and 

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basically told me that it was 
never like that. 

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He didn't mean to hurt himself. 
It was an accident. 

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He slipped and he gave me like 
very specific details, like what

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he was drawing, the area he was 
in, what took place, like 

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leading up to him going there, 
how the mother told him you 

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probably shouldn't be there, 
it's going to be too cold, you 

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shouldn't be near the falls. 
Things that she would never 

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know. 
And I remember I was, I was 

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sobbing because like just 
feeling what this mother felt. 

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I was sobbing and I left there 
and I remember thinking like, am

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I doing the right thing? 
Am I supposed to be doing this 

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'cause this is fucking brutal. 
Like I, I don't know how I'm 

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supposed to keep doing stuff 
like this when it's so heavy and

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it's like involving people's 
kids. 

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And it wasn't until she messaged
me like a few days later and she

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basically said that she was so 
overwhelmed and like she didn't 

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know how to keep going on. 
But she, you know, she, the 

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message I gave to her gave her 
such closure that no therapist, 

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no anybody could have given to 
her. 

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And that basically I was the 
reason that she was pushing 

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forward and moving on. 
That kind of snapped me back 

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into reality and I was like, OK,
alright, maybe, maybe I could do

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this. 
Maybe it's not going to be this 

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bad. 
And there's things like that 

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that led up to a lot of my 
decision making and and how I 

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handle things and why I'm doing 
what I'm doing. 

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I love hearing that story and I 
like that you brought up police 

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because it's where I want to, I 
want to get into that with you 

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in a second. 
Just a just a, a funny 9/11 

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story. 
Can I say this? 

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But it's like where I was where 
I was at 911. 

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So I was with I was, so we got I
got the call. 

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I was in Lai was with my 
girlfriend, who's my wife now at

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the time. 
And it was like early in the 

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morning, right? 
So I was spending the night 

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there and her mother calls up 
and it's like, you know, we're 

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on, you know, everyone thinks 
we're under attack and you know,

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she knocks me awake. 
She's like, you got to wake up. 

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You know, it's like, but her mom
didn't know that we were, she 

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had a dude over, you know, 
sleeping over. 

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So it's like the conversation 
about America being under attack

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was like, who's this guy that 
you're waking up that you've 

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clearly just slept with 
overnight? 

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And then we're both like, well, 
I guess my parents know that 

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we're sleeping like I've got it 
was like a whole thing. 

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You know what I mean? 
It was just like we were sort of

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like shaking up. 
But anyway, you were saved. 

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By the terrorists. 
Yeah, it's like just suddenly 

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made this because if it. 
Wasn't for that. 

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You would have been, you would 
have been up shits correct for 

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sure. 
Yeah, right. 

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I mean I have a. 
Completely different 9/11 story.

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I was a super junior and super 
duper senior in high school 

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right? 
I stayed back. 

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What is a super? 
Duper senior so so. 

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Basically, that's somebody who 
stays. 

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Back somebody. 
Who stays back for something 

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stupid? 
I stayed back because I failed 

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Jim, right? 
Because I didn't go. 

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You look like the. 
Picture of hell. 

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I'm a, I'm a, I'm a volunteer 
firefighter. 

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At this point, I'm already 18. 
I'm a volunteer firefighter. 

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And back in the day we had 
pagers and I'm sitting in class 

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because I decided to take some 
AP courses towards college 

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credits if I'm going to be there
anyway. 

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And I'm sitting in class and my 
pager goes off and it was a 

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tone. 
It's a tone you never want to 

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hear, right? 
It's that like all hands on deck

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tone like, you know, like 
usually you get that when we're 

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at war. 
And I just remember just like 

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rushing out of the high school 
and like every all the all of 

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the hall monitors trying to stop
me and I'm like, Nope, you're 

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not stopping me. 
And there was two other super 

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duper duper seniors too, 
firefighters. 

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So you just see us all rush and 
we report to our our stations 

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and it was just madness. 
It was that day was just 

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complete madness. 
Wow. 

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That's why we all had very 
different experiences on 9/11, I

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think, yeah. 
Yeah, I kind of like Gary's. 

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I was like a little looking, 
keep it light. 

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So. 
Tessa, you brought up, you just 

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mentioned police, you know, in a
police report and how you saw 

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something sort of different. 
You have worked with law 

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enforcement. 
Yeah. 

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What? 
How did that come about for you?

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So weirdly, like, so my, my 
boys, my 2 oldest boys, their 

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father was a police officer and 
he's now a sheriff. 

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And when we were together, he 
did not believe in this stuff. 

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I just think it freaked him out 
because he for sure believes in 

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it. 
He's just, he's just afraid of 

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it. 
But back then, I remember even 

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when I was a kid though, if I 
would see something on the news,

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if I if a case came up on the 
news, missing person, a 

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homicide, whatever. 
I realized that as I would be 

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watching this, I would get 
snippets in my head. 

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And when I was younger, I didn't
fully understand it. 

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As I got older, I started 
realizing a little bit more and 

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more, hey, what I'm seeing are 
things that eventually when the 

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news comes back on, it's playing
out. 

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And so I would be seeing like 
where the person would be 

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located or maybe a vision of who
was involved with this. 

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And then next thing you know, it
would pop back up. 

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That person would be found in 
that location or you know, that 

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person who was involved, their 
picture would pop up and I'm 

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like, holy shit, that's the 
person that I saw. 

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So like, little by little, I 
would realize that for whatever 

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reason, I have this ability to 
connect with cases like this. 

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It was it, I think one of my 
first cases was in Wisconsin. 

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So like, I'm in New York. 
This woman who knew of me as a 

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medium contacted me about 
somebody who had went missing in

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Wisconsin. 
So I'm sitting here thinking 

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like, OK, well, I'm not in 
Wisconsin, so how am I supposed 

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to help this person? 
So I'm like, you got to give me 

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a map. 
Just show me where this person's

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at. 
Give me a city, something like 

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show me a map. 
And for a week straight, I 

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worked with law enforcement and 
her, she was a friend of the 

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family who was connected to the 
family. 

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So me, the family, law 
enforcement and I would track 

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where this person was. 
And he was alive for about a 

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week. 
And I would send them like, for 

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example, one of these things had
a bridge. 

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So like I circled the bridge. 
I'm like, you need to get to 

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this bridge because he's there. 
They go to the bridge, they find

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his clothing and like a campfire
that he had made and like little

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signs that he was around. 
There was even like security 

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footage. 
I'm like, there's a bar. 

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And if you go and ask them, he's
on security footage like you. 

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And so they did that. 
And come to find out there is 

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security footage of this guy 
coming into the bar leaving. 

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So we tracked him for a week. 
One day I woke up, It was 

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literally like 6-7 days into 
this and I woke up and I smelled

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water and I felt this relief in 
a sense, and I hate to call it a

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relief, but I don't know how 
else to explain it. 

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It was like something lifted off
of me because I had been 

450
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,520
carrying his energy for 6-7 days
trying to track him. 

451
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,400
And and like if I can explain 
that properly, you're taking on 

452
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,720
somebody else's energy. 
It can feel heavy, like 

453
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,720
physically, and all of a sudden 
I felt this relief like it was 

454
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,360
gone. 
I smelled water and in my head I

455
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,280
saw this river. 
I immediately called the family 

456
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,120
and I was like, you need to get 
somebody out to this river right

457
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,160
now because I think that he's 
gone. 

458
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,400
They did a deep dive. 
They searched. 

459
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,680
I think it took him like a day 
or so. 

460
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,000
They found his body in the 
river. 

461
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760
He did not want to be found. 
So this was one of those cases 

462
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,360
that was really unfortunate 
because it was he was on the 

463
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,080
run. 
He didn't want to be found, and 

464
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,680
he ultimately took his life. 
But that case showed me that I 

465
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,880
was in fact, able to help law 
enforcement. 

466
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,360
And so from there it just spread
What? 

467
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,200
When you when you get involved 
in a case, how do you do you 

468
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,440
walk me through a typical thing 
from then on? 

469
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,960
Was it is it like, do they bring
you in to an active 

470
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240
investigation or a cold case? 
And what do you like to know 

471
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,520
upfront if anything or do you 
want or do you tell them like 

472
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,400
no, you know, how do you play it
so? 

473
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,960
I'll just give you a specific 
case and I'll walk you through 

474
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,280
that, if that's OK. 
There was. 

475
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,680
There was one in October of 
2023, I believe her name was 

476
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600
Demaya Appling. 
It was a Florida case. 

477
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,960
She was 14 years old. 
So API had contacted me. 

478
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,800
She said that the police had 
kind of somewhat pushed the case

479
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,040
aside. 
The family wanted more 

480
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,280
information, hired API, the Pi 
found me so she can't. 

481
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,920
She was one who contacted me and
we were in direct communication 

482
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,520
with the family as well. 
The very first thing I asked for

483
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,720
was I said just give me a 
picture of her and give me a map

484
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,400
like where did she go missing? 
Does anybody know where she went

485
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,000
missing? 
Just show me her picture. 

486
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,840
So I got a picture of her and a 
map of where she was supposedly 

487
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,200
abducted from. 
Had they given that to me a week

488
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
prior, I would say we probably 
could have saved her. 

489
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,240
But again, they waited a week 
and they contacted me. 

490
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,480
So anyways, I'm looking at this 
picture and there's something 

491
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,360
called remote viewing and I 
don't know if you're familiar 

492
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,760
with that term. 
OK. 

493
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,320
So. 
Remote viewing is basically for 

494
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:59,200
anybody who's not watching this,
I'm able to see into a place or 

495
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,560
a location without physically 
being there. 

496
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,480
So within my mind's eye I'm able
to see visions or to me it looks

497
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,200
almost like a film reel going 
over and over of what would have

498
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,480
taken place. 
So I'm remote viewing now into 

499
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,080
Florida and I took this map and 
I looked at her and it was 

500
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,520
almost as if she because she was
already on the other side. 

501
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,640
And that was the first thing 
that I felt and it was 

502
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,480
unfortunate, but I said she's 
already passed. 

503
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:31,840
So she was showing me like just 
a very tall grassed area. 

504
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,360
And again, there was like water 
behind it. 

505
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,680
She's showing me all this. 
I'm looking at the map and I'm 

506
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
starting to remote view. 
And her location was here. 

507
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920
And I just start drawing a line 
and I'm asking her like, show me

508
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,160
where to go. 
So I'm drawing this line, line, 

509
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,480
line, line. 
She's telling me go up here and 

510
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600
I circle this one area. 
There's a river and I said 

511
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,760
there's a patch of very high 
grass and you have to go over 

512
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,680
here. 
So I circle it, whatever. 

513
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,240
A couple days goes by, the Pi 
comes back. 

514
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,080
They were like they found her 
body and her body was in the 

515
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720
location that you circled. 
There was high grass. 

516
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,280
It was right by the water. 
She came back to me and then we 

517
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,080
worked on who would have done 
this. 

518
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,360
The last update that I got with 
that case was that the people 

519
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:18,000
that I described to her, again, 
remote viewing and through what 

520
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680
I'm picking up from Damaya 
herself, was four different 

521
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,160
people involved. 
So I had a friend who was very 

522
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
good at sketching. 
So I had him draw people for me,

523
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,560
handed those sketches over, and 
they were able to pinpoint these

524
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,200
people. 
I don't know that they've been 

525
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,040
charged yet because of how the 
process works and it takes a 

526
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920
long time, but I do know they 
have significant, significant 

527
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
evidence to prove that these 
people were involved. 

528
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,480
So that's like a long story, but
a lot of it's remote viewing. 

529
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640
Some of it's from the people who
would have passed and it just 

530
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,960
takes a lot of time and energy 
to like place things to where 

531
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,560
they need to be. 
How do you? 

532
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,320
Emotionally decompress after 
working on a On a case like 

533
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600
that, how do you protect 
yourself? 

534
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,120
It always for me was dance and I
didn't realize that till later. 

535
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Like for me, for years, taking 
on any type of reading or spirit

536
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,760
or whatever throughout the day, 
when I would go to a studio or 

537
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,360
when I'd be performing 
something, to me, that was a 

538
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,760
release. 
I didn't know that. 

539
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Moving forward now, how do I 
release it? 

540
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,240
Man, that's really not easy. 
It's not easy, but honestly, 

541
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040
it's like being outside and just
doing something to ground 

542
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,200
yourself and to release things 
from your head in whatever way 

543
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,160
that possibly means. 
Even if it's just taking a 

544
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,680
friggin shower, you know, and 
like just kind of decompressing 

545
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,560
for a second. 
It's like little things. 

546
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,520
Any way you possibly can to 
clear your mind well. 

547
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,960
On the flip side of that, then 
what boundaries do you set with 

548
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,160
these families or the OR the 
police officers or the Pis? 

549
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
So they don't just treat you 
like some, you know, magic 

550
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,080
answering machine, you know, or 
something like, you know, like 

551
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,200
how do you, what do you tell 
them? 

552
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680
What's that boundary like? 
Especially for these unresolved 

553
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,200
cases for that to go on for 
years? 

554
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,600
Yeah. 
You know, I mean, I haven't had 

555
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,800
to set many boundaries. 
I will say for the most part of 

556
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,000
the people that I've worked 
with, whether it be API, law 

557
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000
enforcement or even the 
families, they've been so 

558
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,400
respectful. 
And so just appreciative, I 

559
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,360
think of what I do, I haven't 
really had to set boundaries 

560
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,000
with with any of them. 
And maybe that's also I, I'm the

561
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,400
type of person that will just 
take it all on and then deal 

562
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,280
with it later. 
So maybe that's a me thing, but 

563
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,680
I just take it all on. 
That's pretty bad when it comes 

564
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880
to criminal cases. 
When it comes to criminal cases,

565
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,440
I literally will exert as much 
as possible to help the 

566
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,840
families. 
Do you still? 

567
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Do that or is that backed off a 
little bit now? 

568
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,120
No, I do. 
It actively and there's 

569
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,640
actually, we have a show that we
were working on that's going to 

570
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
surround just that aspect of my 
life, the criminal side of 

571
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,520
things. 
Got it. 

572
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800
Yeah. 
So add that to the many other 

573
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,000
things you do, which is these 
you've got live from with the 

574
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
other side and then you've got 
stuff with Nick where you go 

575
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,000
into like haunted locations and 
haunted houses, right. 

576
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,680
So you gone from these intimate 
readings and then to touring and

577
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,200
big casinos and big venues. 
What surprises you the most when

578
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,800
about translating mediumship 
into that kind of a theatrical 

579
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520
environment, into that kind of 
stage environment like. 

580
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Doing the theater, the shows and
all that, Well, I've been on 

581
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000
stage my whole life. 
So I think like my comfort zone 

582
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,880
when it, if I had to choose to 
do anything, honestly, it would 

583
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,000
be stage. 
It would be something to do with

584
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,080
a live audience. 
I think it's amazing to when I 

585
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,000
get up on stage and there's 
thousands of people, hundreds to

586
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,240
thousands of people sitting in 
front of me, the validation that

587
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,000
comes through. 
And even if like I don't read 

588
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
every person, which is pretty 
much impossible in that 

589
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,240
audience. 
It's weird because a lot of 

590
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,400
people will receive messages 
like through third parties, like

591
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320
if I'm reading this person, but 
maybe they over here understand 

592
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,200
the message and like that seems 
similar to my situation. 

593
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680
They take the message for 
themselves as well. 

594
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,440
And I think it also gives 
validation to the entire 

595
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,880
audience. 
That spirit can communicate from

596
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,120
the other side like you're, 
you're actively watching it. 

597
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,320
So, you know, and I like to 
interact with people like I, I 

598
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640
think being a performer and some
people say I'm funny. 

599
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,720
I don't know, I try to bring 
some lightheartedness to it as 

600
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,280
well. 
So I like to interact and I like

601
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880
to mess with people and I like 
to, you know, if I'm making you 

602
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,600
cry, I'm also going to make you 
laugh. 

603
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440
And I'm also going to bring it 
back around and try to give you 

604
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,720
a positive message rather than 
you bawling your eyes out and 

605
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,520
leaving and stuff. 
So I do have fun with it, but 

606
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,240
it's also important to me to 
show that live, to show people 

607
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,000
that this can happen. 
It does happen, and you're 

608
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,360
witness to it. 
And the energy's different. 

609
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Yeah, yeah. 100%. 
So this is a good time to ask 

610
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
before we get into like the 
haunted houses too, which I ask 

611
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,200
all of our guests, right? 
So what? 

612
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360
What are spirits to you? 
What are you dealing with? 

613
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,440
In a haunted location or like in
a What's a? 

614
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Spirit. 
What are spirits? 

615
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,200
What are what do you think 
you're talking? 

616
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480
What's what are they, I think. 
It's an energy. 

617
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,480
Like if you're thinking of when 
somebody passes away, there's 

618
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,720
scientific evidence to prove 
that we contain energy. 

619
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,520
And when a person dies, there's 
been proven documentation of 

620
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,720
like a light or something that 
releases from them. 

621
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,280
And so I've always believed that
we are energy. 

622
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,800
Our soul or whatever you want to
refer that to is energy. 

623
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,600
So I do believe that a spirit 
in, from my belief would be like

624
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,160
a soul of somebody energetically
because it takes energy to 

625
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,880
communicate with them as well. 
They communicate almost 

626
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,400
telepathically. 
So the way I see them would be 

627
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880
within my mind. 
I can hear them, see them within

628
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080
my mind. 
So to me that becomes like an 

629
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,800
energetic thing. 
So I think spirit is a form of 

630
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,280
an energy, a soul on the other 
side. 

631
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,440
But not all of those things are 
light hearted and fun. 

632
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,280
And like, it's not always 
grandma, you know? 

633
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,880
Wait, wait, real. 
Quick, before we get too far, 

634
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
what's the well, you keep saying
the other side. 

635
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560
What is the other side to you 
where are like what is Oh, 

636
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680
that's such? 
A loaded question because people

637
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,080
were, so it's OK. 
And listen, don't, don't worry 

638
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,240
about your answer. 
Like don't, it shouldn't be, it 

639
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240
shouldn't. 
I don't want you to feel like 

640
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280
it's loaded. 
Everybody has a different answer

641
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,440
to this. 
That's, that's the whole point 

642
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040
of what we're doing is we're 
sort of putting together this 

643
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,120
mosaic or tapestry of, of 
answers to try to see the 

644
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960
commonalities, right? 
So if it, it's based on your 

645
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,360
belief system, that's cool. 
I mean, it's, we're not, we're 

646
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,640
going to judge over here. 
It's just. 

647
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,760
But what? 
But you're using that term. 

648
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,240
What are you? 
I'd like, I like to know what 

649
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Tessa Groff thinks is the other 
side is this. 

650
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Are we in the clouds? 
Are we like just a mirror? 

651
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,360
We can't see? 
What is it to you? 

652
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,920
What does that mean? 
See. 

653
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,320
I'm. 
Still trying to figure certain 

654
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,520
things out. 
Because to me the other side is 

655
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240
almost a different dimension. 
Like I think that we coincide 

656
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
with the other side, just a 
different dimension in a sense. 

657
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Because I grew, so I grew up 
Catholic. 

658
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Italian, right? 
So do we. 

659
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,440
But John. 
And I are both Catholic Italian,

660
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,200
right? 
So. 

661
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Like, but but so you realize 
like then you have a a pre 

662
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,040
notion of like, what is the 
other side? 

663
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,720
It's heaven, right? 
So like you're described this 

664
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200
beautiful place and it's heaven 
and it's happy and it's white 

665
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,480
and it's all these things, 
right? 

666
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Sounds terrible, but yeah, so 
it's like that's what you're 

667
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,160
brought up to believe, right? 
But then you have all these 

668
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,160
experiences and in the Catholic 
religion, there is no such thing

669
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,880
as them coming and talking to 
you and whatever, right? 

670
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880
So there's this weird kind of 
disconnect between religion and 

671
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,880
what now I'm experiencing as a 
medium. 

672
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,880
So now I'm trying to like change
my thought process of maybe 

673
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,160
there's more to it and maybe 
it's not so tunnel visioned. 

674
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120
I do think that it is a 
different dimension in a sense 

675
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,240
that can coincide with us. 
So I think that some spirits are

676
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,920
aware that they've passed on. 
There's an acceptance to them on

677
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600
the other side in this other 
dimension, and that they are 

678
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,040
able to communicate back and 
forth. 

679
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520
And at the same time, I think 
that within this other 

680
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,480
dimension, there are souls that 
have not fully moved on or maybe

681
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
realize that they've passed. 
And that's why we get different 

682
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120
types of documentation with 
souls like that as well. 

683
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,320
But I've also done things like 
research near death experiences,

684
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,720
right? 
So people who've had near death 

685
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360
experiences, when they come back
from these near death 

686
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,640
experiences, 90% of these people
talk about a very bright place 

687
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,520
that feels like what would be 
described as heaven and that 

688
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,080
their family and loved ones are 
there. 

689
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,320
And so, you know, there's a lot 
of different things coming into 

690
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,800
play here that I'm still trying 
to kind of figure out. 

691
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,440
But I think there's some truth 
behind obviously what these 

692
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,320
people experience with this 
white light. 

693
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,600
And even during readings, a lot 
of the times they say Spirit 

694
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,120
says to me, I'm with so and so 
on the other side. 

695
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,000
They passed before me. 
They greeted me when I passed. 

696
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,760
That's why I believe that nobody
ever dies alone. 

697
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,280
I believe that somebody's always
there to greet them. 

698
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,080
So they don't ever pass alone, 
no matter what the circumstances

699
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239
in the physical world, you know?
So I think it's a bunch of 

700
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,159
different things. 
But I do believe that they have 

701
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,159
the ability to connect with us, 
talk with us, do things here in 

702
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:40,920
the physical world, manipulate 
things. 

703
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,239
So I think it's a bit more than 
what they would describe heaven 

704
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,199
to be. 
Thank you for that. 

705
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,000
So knowing that that's when with
that energy and that that's how 

706
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,840
what you feel they are when 
you're on a stage. 

707
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,360
So it's jumping back to the to 
your theater shows. 

708
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,320
Are you treating the entire room
as one field of energy or are 

709
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,320
you immediately drawn to 
specific people or like hotspots

710
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,000
that you might, you know, like 
the way you would be if it like 

711
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,520
you're in a haunted building or 
something. 

712
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680
I'm. 
Very drawn specifically to a 

713
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,640
person or an area. 
And I think the reason behind 

714
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,160
that though, is because I think,
I think in general spirit, when 

715
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,240
they deliver messages, they give
us what we need rather than what

716
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,800
we want, you know? 
And so I've realized that in 

717
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840
these live events that I do, 
I'll be drawn. 

718
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,480
Sometimes I even pick up on 
things before I go on stage. 

719
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
So then when I'm out there, I'm 
like, OK, this, I felt this. 

720
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Where are you, right? 
And so immediately I'm looking 

721
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,760
for whatever that was. 
And the minute that I'm on 

722
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,280
stage, it's like, oh, there it 
is. 

723
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,800
And so I'll go here because I'm 
like, all right, this person was

724
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920
bothering me beforehand. 
So apparently they really want 

725
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,640
to talk, you know, And so I'll 
be drawn to this person 

726
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,800
specifically right away. 
That one thing will then somehow

727
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,320
lead to the next. 
And it's almost like things 

728
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,920
start to become tied in and 
it's, I don't know if like they 

729
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,200
work together or what the hell 
goes on over there, but they're,

730
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960
it's almost like one thing leads
me to another, which leads me to

731
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,160
another. 
And they're in, they're 

732
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,800
connected in some way. 
And then in many different ways 

733
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,640
they're different. 
And that's also the fun that I 

734
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,520
have with spirit there 'cause 
they mess with me too. 

735
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Like they tried, they, they will
mess with me. 

736
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,080
And so for example, like, 
they'll, they'll, they'll be 

737
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000
like, oh, you know, this, there 
was 1. 

738
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
So I did, I did one. 
You'll, you might find this 

739
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,120
funny. 
I'm doing a reading at a live 

740
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,520
event. 
There's like hundreds of people 

741
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,360
here. 
I'm connecting with this one 

742
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,360
person. 
All of a sudden they start 

743
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,560
talking about, oh, yeah, you 
know, and grandma greeted me and

744
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,080
so everybody's great and blah, 
blah, blah, right? 

745
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Everything's wonderful. 
All of a sudden, because I spoke

746
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,240
about a grandmother, a 
grandmother pops in. 

747
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,600
She's like, oh, you got to, you 
got to come over here because I 

748
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,000
got to talk to them right there.
So I move over and I'm like, OK,

749
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,920
this person's grandmother's here
she goes. 

750
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,200
You want to embarrass them 
really bad? 

751
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,520
And I'm like, not really. 
You know, this is no, because 

752
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,920
then they're mad at me. 
They're not mad at you. 

753
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,600
You're not here. 
So I'm the one who's getting 

754
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
blamed for whatever's being 
said. 

755
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,800
And she's like, you got to talk 
about the painting that was made

756
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,000
of me. 
She's like, have you ever seen 

757
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,640
the Titanic? 
And the girl, she's naked. 

758
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,240
And so there's a naked picture 
of me that was painted just like

759
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,240
the one from Titanic. 
And they didn't know about it 

760
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200
till after I died. 
I'm like, God damn, that's very.

761
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,480
Specific. 
Very. 

762
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,400
Specific. 
So now I'm sitting here thinking

763
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,360
like, Oh my God, like I'm, I'm 
so literally I'm arguing with 

764
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,800
nothing like Whoopi Goldberg in,
you know, the movie Ghost. 

765
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,960
That's what I looked like, like 
arguing with myself. 

766
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,200
And I'm just like, I'm not 
saying this out loud. 

767
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,680
And the mother, the, the 
daughter is sitting there and 

768
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,880
she looks at me. 
She goes, oh, no, she goes, I 

769
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,320
know exactly what she's telling 
you. 

770
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,800
If you don't want to say it out 
loud, I'm like, well, do I have 

771
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000
permission to say this? 
And she's like, go ahead. 

772
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600
So I said it verbatim what she 
told me. 

773
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,040
And they just, everybody burst 
out laughing. 

774
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,520
The one granddaughter had no 
idea. 

775
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,320
So I completely blew them in. 
And I'm like, Oh my God, like 

776
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,480
nobody's ever going to come back
to my shows because I'm giving 

777
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,520
away family secrets. 
That's a great. 

778
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,280
Story that is a great one yeah, 
I'll. 

779
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Never forget that it's just you.
When you say you heard it, are 

780
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,240
you hearing? 
Do you hear where their voice 

781
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:21,520
sounds like? 
Are you getting that vivid of an

782
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,760
image or a audio like what is 
that connection for you? 

783
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,880
It's. 
Very similar to if somebody were

784
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000
to say to you, what are the 
lyrics to that song? 

785
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,320
And in your head, you start 
replaying the song and you hear 

786
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,440
the musician's voice and you 
hear the music and you hear it 

787
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,200
in your head very clearly. 
That's what spirit sounds like 

788
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,520
to me. 
So sometimes I do get a 

789
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,240
distinct, like, that's how I can
tell the difference between, OK,

790
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,040
is it a male voice? 
Is it a female voice? 

791
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,240
How old are they? 
Like, what's going on here? 

792
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,120
Sometimes they'll talk in like 
an accent. 

793
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,080
And I'm like, oh, my God, this 
person either spoke a different 

794
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,320
language or like they have a 
heavy accent or things like 

795
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520
that. 
So it's if that makes sense to 

796
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,200
you. 
If you were to try to recall 

797
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,280
your song, that's what it sounds
like. 

798
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,160
All right. 
Yeah, OK. 

799
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,680
When did you start now? 
Did you start going into like 

800
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,480
haunted locations? 
Was that before or after meeting

801
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Nick? 
That was a really funny story. 

802
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,880
I did not want to do the 
paranormal like I was. 

803
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,720
I am like it's a shit show. 
I I get so like scared of 

804
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,560
paranormal stuff. 
I really do. 

805
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,760
It's. 
It's scary shit. 

806
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,960
I don't. 
Want to be taken off guard like 

807
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,640
I don't care to be in a location
where doors are slamming like 

808
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,200
I'm I'm set. 
I pee myself now because I have 

809
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,960
4 kids and you could. 
Get tetanus from a fucking nail 

810
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040
that's ripped. 
It's like these places suck. 

811
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,120
It's not like you get to stay at
The Four Seasons, and The Four 

812
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Seasons is never haunted. 
It's some shitty place. 

813
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,640
It's some totally shitty place 
that you got to go to that's at 

814
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
no heat and no light beside. 
Not all the time. 

815
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,080
Like the southern mansion in 
Cake Bay is beautiful. 

816
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,000
I'm shirt like. 
No, you're right. 

817
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Of course there's an exception 
that proves every rule. 

818
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,360
But I'm saying for the most 
part. 

819
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,840
What exception? 
Let's go to this insane asylum 

820
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,880
that's been abandoned. 
Yeah, it's. 

821
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,880
Not on my Yeah, it's not on my 
list. 

822
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Like, I don't care, you know 
what I'm saying? 

823
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Like I just never, never Nick 
even knows. 

824
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Like I won't watch scary movies 
after a certain point at night 

825
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,200
because I'm like, I got to go to
bed. 

826
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Like I don't want to watch this 
shit. 

827
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,440
So like, I hate movies. 
Yeah, I'm right with you. 

828
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Yeah, like so. 
But prior to meeting Nick, 

829
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,560
there's many people who know 
that I was like, I'm not doing 

830
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
that. 
I got asked from A and EI had 

831
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,800
shows that came to me that 
wanted me to be on TV. 

832
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,000
They wanted me as the medium on 
this and that. 

833
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,520
And I tried to compromise with 
them. 

834
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,760
And I would say I'm not a 
paranormal investigator. 

835
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,000
So if you want me for this show 
to be a paranormal investigator,

836
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,760
I don't want to do that. 
I'm a medium. 

837
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,320
I'll do that. 
But also I don't want to be in 

838
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,000
haunted locations. 
And so I turned down multiple 

839
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,200
shows, but then, but prior to 
Nick, I will say, like, I've 

840
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,280
done paranormal work, don't get 
me wrong, but that's also how I 

841
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,080
learned I didn't want to do it. 
And I'd be invited to like 

842
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,000
paracons and I did events like 
that. 

843
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,280
But I always tried to really 
stick to my mediumship. 

844
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,680
And it wasn't until I met Nick 
and he legitimately tricked me 

845
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,760
into filming with him is how I 
got dragged into doing 

846
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
paranormal television because I 
did not want to do it. 

847
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,080
He called me up and was like, 
hey, you know, do you want to 

848
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,960
meet me at this spot real quick?
Like I got to show you 

849
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,160
something. 
Just come here like you're going

850
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,960
to it's crazy. 
You got to come over here. 

851
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,760
I'm like, OK, so I I show up and
I'm like, what the hell? 

852
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,240
There's his cousin with the 
camera. 

853
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,040
He's like, all right, now I need
you to tell me like, what are 

854
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,440
you feeling and this and that? 
I'm like you son of a like you, 

855
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,480
you just tricked me. 
So truthfully, I never watched 

856
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,120
Ghost Adventures or any of his 
shows. 

857
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,520
I had no knowledge of who he 
even was when I met him. 

858
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,200
I stayed away from the 
paranormal, so I just, I got 

859
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,760
tricked into it and so now here 
I am. 

860
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Well, look. 
I, I think it's great, but first

861
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,240
I find it, and I want to talk 
about this too, because so I'm 

862
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,800
in the entertainment business. 
I'm a producer, my wife is an 

863
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,320
agent. 
We're in the same field, but we 

864
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,600
do different things. 
Otherwise we would murder each 

865
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,360
other. 
There just would be, I can't. 

866
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,520
So it's like, you know, you and 
Nick are, you know, you're kind 

867
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,440
of a paranormal power power 
couple. 

868
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,880
That's what people say. 
Some people. 

869
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,880
Say, but you are, I mean, look, 
you know, he's very well known. 

870
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,520
You're very well known. 
You're right, you know, and it's

871
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,800
like you do. 
How do you practically divide 

872
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,480
these roles between like 
evidence based investigation and

873
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,480
your intuitive perception so 
that you don't murder each other

874
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,600
and become another spirit in 
these locations? 

875
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Yeah, for other people to find 
it would be. 

876
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440
Nick who would be murdered 
because I have definitely the 

877
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
hotter temper than him. 
He is like super calm. 

878
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,800
He is very he's like the person 
to bring it back around and be 

879
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,240
like let's all calm down Let's 
just talk about this and I'm the

880
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,720
Italian firecracker that's like 
F this F you F this place. 

881
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,000
I'm gone. 
So, so like right then and 

882
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,840
there, we even each other out. 
But in one aspect, him and I 

883
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560
surprisingly work really well 
together. 

884
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Like he trusts my ability. 
I'm very strongly and I trust 

885
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,880
his knowledge of the, you know 
what he does not only in 

886
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,440
filmmaking, his genuineness 
within the filmmaking as well. 

887
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Because that was also another 
one of my big worries with doing

888
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,680
shows is just the genuineness 
behind the production of it, 

889
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,400
right? 
So I never want to be involved 

890
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
with something that was like 
overproduced and just fake. 

891
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,800
And so his genuineness within 
his filmmaking and also just his

892
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,200
knowledge of doing the 
paranormal, the devices that he 

893
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,080
uses and all that. 
So in one way, we work very well

894
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,880
together. 
I'll be picking up on things. 

895
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Next thing you know, he's 
validating it with his devices 

896
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,160
and things like that. 
So there's that aspect and 

897
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,840
that's great. 
We disagree when it comes to 

898
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,760
like I'll say to him, for 
example, we were in a person's 

899
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,800
home more recently when we were 
filming season 5 of Death 

900
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Walker. 
And it was a personal case. 

901
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,560
It was somebody's home. 
And there is a very, very dark 

902
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,320
energy that was in the basement.
So we're down in the basement. 

903
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,400
I didn't want to go in the 
basement to begin with because 

904
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,600
I'm like, I already see it. 
I don't need to go down there. 

905
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,880
But he brought me down there. 
And so now we're down there and 

906
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,880
I tell him, don't go near this 
door because that's where this 

907
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,640
thing like hides. 
It's a weird he's behind the 

908
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,480
store and I need you to like 
stay away from it. 

909
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,280
He went to the door and he's 
like opening it and I'm like, 

910
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,600
I'm like, you don't listen to 
me, Like you need to stay away 

911
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,960
from that door. 
I'm like, what are you doing? 

912
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,080
So like, next thing you know, 
you hear us on camera, like 

913
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,040
going back and forth and and 
Justin his his cousin's laughing

914
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,680
his ass off because he's like, 
Oh my God, here we go. 

915
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,840
And I'm like, you're not 
listening to me. 

916
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,800
It's behind the door. 
You know, so there's like those 

917
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,400
things where we disagree. 
Do you? 

918
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Feel like he takes the lead on 
the ghost investigations on 

919
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,000
locations and maybe when you're 
on stage together, you're more 

920
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,440
the lead and you're like, hold 
my purse, this is my form. 

921
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Yeah, I think I would say so. 
But then there's also times 

922
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,400
where he kind of sends me in 
like a hound dog in in the 

923
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,920
paranormal investigation. 
First he'll be like, go in 

924
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,120
there, see what you feel, tell 
me what you feel, you know, and 

925
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
then he kind of takes the reins 
and he'll go do his thing. 

926
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,800
Not by yourself. 
You don't. 

927
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,720
You don't walk through a house 
by yourself and do that shit 

928
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,920
most of the time. 
No, but if you watch some of the

929
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,600
episodes, he will leave me in a 
spot and like, and then I'm 

930
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,560
having like a panic attack 
because I did not want to be 

931
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,160
left in that spot. 
And but no, I there's, you'll 

932
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,640
hear it in some of the episodes.
I'll be like, I'm not going in 

933
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,200
there by myself. 
So either you're coming with me 

934
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,480
or you're not getting me 
talking. 

935
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,000
So do you ever? 
I feel like my wife would be 

936
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,560
like, I already warned you to 
get out, now you're on your own.

937
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Do you feel like, do you have to
protect him at a certain point 

938
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,840
where it's like when you're 
telling us you're getting, he's 

939
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,360
not listening, you're not 
listening to me. 

940
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,960
Does it get to a point where 
you're like, all right, you're 

941
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,200
on your fucking own, I'm on 
outside Or is it like, wait a 

942
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,280
minute, this is my, you know, 
this is my partner here. 

943
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,360
I have to protect him. 
And how do you guys have? 

944
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Is there like a safe word for 
the ghost hunts? 

945
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,560
You know, it's like when. 
I say this, you better take it 

946
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,040
seriously and stop what you're 
doing. 

947
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,800
Yeah, there. 
Should be a safe word. 

948
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,200
I'm actually going to use that 
from now on. 

949
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,560
There's been times where I'm 
like, you know what, if you're 

950
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,360
not listening to me, I'm going 
upstairs. 

951
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,040
You know, there's been times 
like that. 

952
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
And then there's other times 
where I have stood my ground and

953
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,160
even if I don't like it, I've 
stood there because I can see it

954
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,200
more clearly. 
Nick can sense things. 

955
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,760
Don't let him fool you. 
He has a very, very strong 

956
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,240
intuition, so I know he can 
sense it, but he's more like 

957
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,520
he'll go for it. 
He'll just go do that. 

958
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,800
And I think that's a lot of 
reasons why people loved his 

959
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,760
shows, especially things like 
paranormal lockdown, because 

960
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,120
he's head first into things and 
you know, which is not something

961
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,840
that I like to do, so good for 
him. 

962
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,400
But there's times where like I 
know he's going to go head first

963
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,560
into this. 
And so therefore, I have to 

964
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,840
stand here and at least watch 
and like make sure I'm tuning 

965
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,520
into what's going on as he's 
doing this. 

966
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
So I think both have have 
happened. 

967
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120
I always learn more on the side 
of being protective than I do 

968
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,160
just kind of like, peace out, 
you know? 

969
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,800
But now, you guys. 
And you guys have a blended 

970
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,640
family, right? 
You have like 4 kids, five kids 

971
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,040
all together. 66. 
Kids. 

972
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Yeah, it's. 
Crazy What are what are? 

973
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,760
Some of the no wait, is it like,
is it one of those situations 

974
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,160
you do you have? 
No, no, it's it's it's amazing. 

975
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,120
It's a Brady Bunch action. 
But did you have do you have 

976
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,160
kids together yet or is it from 
both from previous? 

977
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,800
Yeah, so. 
I had two boys, he had two 

978
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,840
girls, Brady Bunch and then two 
together and then we had two 

979
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,760
together. 
Yeah, OK. 

980
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,080
So is and is it a situate like 
every other weekend? 

981
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,760
You guys are just the. 
There's four of you and then 

982
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,720
every other the six of you. 
Yeah, for. 

983
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,600
The most part, but the girls, 
the girls live in a different 

984
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,000
state. 
They're in Massachusetts, so 

985
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,600
like they go to school there and
stuff. 

986
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,640
So basically we have to see them
whenever we have the opportunity

987
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,280
to do so. 
Summertime is wild. 

988
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Summertime is wild there. 
We're juggling 6 of them for the

989
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,240
most of the summer and 
everything like that. 

990
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:47,040
And then yeah, when during 
school if we get them. 

991
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,600
And it's, it's insane. 
It's crazy, but it's fun and oh,

992
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:54,600
I bet they love each other and 
everybody just has such a cool 

993
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,400
connection. 
And the kids have abilities too.

994
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,800
There's a few kids though, 
that's what. 

995
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,880
I was, I was going to go here 
like, so what's the ground? 

996
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,840
What are the ground rules in a 
situation like this, in a family

997
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,520
like this, where you got two 
people whose job is literally to

998
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,080
chase ghosts and talk to dead 
people? 

999
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,880
Yeah. 
So I think with the way YouTube 

1000
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,600
is now, right? 
And so there's like a lot of 

1001
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,880
Youtubers and younger, the 
younger generation loves 

1002
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,640
YouTube. 
So I think they're exposed to it

1003
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040
a lot. 
Like they see things on YouTube.

1004
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,280
So now it's become, Oh my God, 
mom and dad do this and like 

1005
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,840
it's super cool. 
Like our you know, so there 

1006
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,720
isn't wait a. 
Minute how old are they that 

1007
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,520
they think their parents are 
cool I've never met a kid who 

1008
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,280
thinks their parents are cool 
even I know rock stars who their

1009
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,080
parents who those kids don't 
think they're cool they. 

1010
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,120
Didn't think they were. 
They didn't think we were cool 

1011
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,480
for a little while. 
But like my oldest son is 12, 

1012
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,520
he'll be 12 in June and he is 
now like, mom, what you do is 

1013
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,720
like super cool. 
And like all my friends, they 

1014
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:48,320
watch like Sam and Kobe and they
so like you guys know Sam and 

1015
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,360
Kobe. 
So like you guys are like famous

1016
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,720
and I'm like you're cool by. 
Association. 

1017
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,440
I'm cool. 
By association. 

1018
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Sam and Colby got the credit, 
but they they let you in. 

1019
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,600
They anointed you as cool. 
There it is. 

1020
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,840
That's another guy. 
Like Phase Rug or something. 

1021
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,400
I've never heard of the guy, but
like, you know, they're like, do

1022
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
you think you could reach out to
like Phase Rug or Sam and Kobe? 

1023
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,280
Like do you think you can blah, 
blah, blah. 

1024
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,720
And I'm like, yeah, sure, let me
just let me do that. 

1025
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,640
I get the, I get. 
The double edged sword of it, I 

1026
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,160
get the I get the head dad just 
saying cool, this is whatever. 

1027
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,160
And but then they go to their 
friends. 

1028
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,560
Hey, you know, my dad does this 
and my dad does that. 

1029
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Look, you know, that's what I 
get. 

1030
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,680
I get that you're not cool, dad.
But in front of the friends, I'm

1031
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,400
cool, you know? 
Yeah, forget that. 

1032
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,040
I found a dead body or that I 
solved A homicide case. 

1033
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160
Like, forget about that, right? 
But. 

1034
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,840
Yeah, let me let me get you on 
YouTube. 

1035
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,560
So is there? 
Ghost talk at the table though, 

1036
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,440
or is it no like you know, how 
does that work with all of that 

1037
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,960
No, we're very. 
Open because I would say 

1038
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,080
especially for me, it was very 
taboo growing up. 

1039
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,040
And so when you, when you're in 
an environment where you don't 

1040
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,040
feel like you can talk about it 
or that you're shunned for it, 

1041
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,600
it causes a lot of just man, I, 
I wish I had the ability to talk

1042
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,920
about it more. 
And I know like my parents and 

1043
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,320
everything, it wasn't 
intentional. 

1044
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,800
It was just the way that things 
were, right. 

1045
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,560
And so I keep a very open book 
with the kids. 

1046
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,400
If something happens, I want 
them to tell me. 

1047
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,240
And I always tell them, like, 
if, if you don't tell me, I 

1048
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,640
can't help you, right? 
So, and that goes for anything 

1049
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,160
paranormal or otherwise. 
If you don't tell me stuff, I 

1050
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880
can't help you. 
So there's a very like open line

1051
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,760
of communication with all the 
kids. 

1052
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,600
And weirdly enough, all the kids
have had experiences. 

1053
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,320
The house that I live in now is 
haunted. 

1054
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,920
So you know, when all the kids 
especially are staying here, 

1055
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,360
even when not all the kids, it 
could just be some of them, but 

1056
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,960
they have experiences within 
this house because there is 

1057
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,360
things that take place here and 
there is a specifically one soul

1058
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,600
that has been in this house 
since I moved in. 

1059
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,120
And so, you know, we talk about 
it and we talk about it. 

1060
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,760
We compare and contrast 
experiences and, and some of the

1061
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,240
kids like when Nick came along, 
my boys had already had 

1062
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,920
experiences in this house. 
Nick came along and the girls 

1063
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,160
come here, right? 
And next thing you know, his 

1064
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,840
oldest daughter, Annabelle, she 
comes to me. 

1065
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,640
She's like, there was this 
little boy. 

1066
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,960
He was standing at the foot of 
the bed when I was trying to 

1067
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,320
sleep. 
And I'm like, what did he look 

1068
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,560
like? 
She explained him exact of how 

1069
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,280
my kids have seen this kid at 
the edge of their bed and stuff.

1070
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,400
Like I'm talking down to the 
overalls to whatever she, I 

1071
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,560
described him and I turned to 
Nick. 

1072
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,280
I'm like, what are you going to 
do? 

1073
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,000
Like they can see him. 
You know, kids are very open to 

1074
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,760
it. 
You mentioned something about, 

1075
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,760
you know, how they see you on 
social media and obviously we're

1076
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,120
all sort of playing in this 
social media space these days. 

1077
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,200
But you got six kids and it 
sounds like, you know, they're 

1078
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,040
fairly young and and influential
in this space and social media 

1079
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,880
has been had its ups and downs, 
even for you, you know, like 

1080
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,000
things blowing up, right? 
Was there some incident with 

1081
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,560
like a sitter you had like that 
went like crazy viral and stuff?

1082
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,720
It wasn't. 
A sitter? 

1083
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,200
No. 
There was a kid at school. 

1084
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,520
There was a really bad kid at 
school. 

1085
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,640
Is that the one you were talking
about? 

1086
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,560
Yeah. 
OK, We live our lives here 

1087
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,840
online and we're also living our
lives, you know, in a place 

1088
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,840
that's a Paris, you know, this 
parascience, this paranormal 

1089
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,960
space. 
What are the ethics that you try

1090
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,640
to balance with that with 
family? 

1091
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,120
You know, how do you, how do you
manage that with your kids and 

1092
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,960
stuff like that's we talk about 
this a lot. 

1093
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,600
We're both young kids. 
I have young kids too. 

1094
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,600
You know, it's just a thing. 
I don't know. 

1095
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,240
If what you were referring to 
might have been, and I'll just 

1096
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,360
be honest about it, but there 
was an incident with Nick's 

1097
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,280
ex-wife that might have been 
what you have seen because that 

1098
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,720
blew up. 
That was pretty, that was pretty

1099
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,400
terrible. 
We've always talked with our 

1100
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,160
kids about being honest like 
that. 

1101
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,280
There is if you're honest about 
something, you you might be held

1102
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,120
accountable for IT. 
People might not like it, but 

1103
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,600
like when you should always be 
honest, right? 

1104
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,640
And we held back from posting a 
lot of like personal stuff for 

1105
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,920
quite some time. 
Because when you're in the 

1106
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,400
entertainment industry for for a
while, especially like when 

1107
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,040
cable television happened and 
everything, Nick has had 

1108
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,600
experiences even with Ghost 
Adventures where, you know, 

1109
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,240
people were wondering like what 
happened and networks and people

1110
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,040
would tell him, don't say 
anything, don't post it, don't 

1111
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,680
do this and that, right? 
But what happens is then 

1112
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,640
narratives start to get spun, 
right? 

1113
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,960
So he might not have said 
something, but other people then

1114
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,920
begin spinning a narrative and 
then that turns into something 

1115
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,840
else and whatever. 
And we realized that by not 

1116
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,080
speaking up and not being 
truthful, that story is going to

1117
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,040
go on with or without you. 
And and so you're then risking, 

1118
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,320
you know, now your kids might 
then see not the truth online 

1119
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,840
because now Internet is 
available to everybody. 

1120
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,480
And this is a new world that we 
have to be too. 

1121
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,080
So we've always been kind of, 
you know, as long as it's the 

1122
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,160
truth and that's what it is, the
kids are gonna know regardless. 

1123
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,240
And we've had to tell the truth 
about a few scenarios. 

1124
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:48,800
We've just had to in order to 
preserve our reputation and just

1125
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,240
the terrible, terrible things 
that go on. 

1126
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,440
And I also think that the more 
people speak up about awful 

1127
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,120
things that happen, the court 
system's not always going to 

1128
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,600
help you. 
Law enforcement's not always 

1129
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,000
going to be able to help you. 
Sometimes holding people 

1130
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,600
accountable with public scrutiny
or just being honest and saying 

1131
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,600
this is what happened to me is 
enough to make them stop. 

1132
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,320
And that's something that we've 
had to deal with. 

1133
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,240
It's unfortunate, but we're just
very honest people. 

1134
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,240
I appreciate. 
The answer, I mean, because I 

1135
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,520
have this See, John has been 
getting it for years too. 

1136
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,640
You know, He's been out there 
with over 1,000,000 followers. 

1137
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,000
He gets a lot of heat and a lot 
of hate. 

1138
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,040
I'm new to it, I'm sure. 
We get we. 

1139
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Get some of it and you guys are 
in the public. 

1140
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,080
Look, I you get it a lot. 
So I'm everybody's got. 

1141
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,160
Something to say I was. 
He tells me everybody, He tells 

1142
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,880
me all the time. 
I want to argue with everybody. 

1143
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,880
And I said. 
Don't do it and he tells me. 

1144
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,560
I'll do it, and I'll tell him I 
do because you're Italian. 

1145
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,840
Yes. 
I want to train. 

1146
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Myself, I had to train. 
I wanted to argue with everybody

1147
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,040
too. 
I had to train myself. 

1148
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,480
But I do agree there are certain
things you need to be very vocal

1149
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,600
about because that narrative is 
going to run down the street if 

1150
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,560
you keep your mouth shut. 
You need to be, you need to at 

1151
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,280
least have, you know, some skin 
in the game where it's like, no,

1152
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,880
this is the record, this is what
happened. 

1153
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,440
That's it. 
Yeah. 

1154
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,960
You know, And then any other 
narrative that gets spun, at 

1155
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,120
least someone can go back and 
say, hey, I heard him say this. 

1156
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,480
That's not true. 
Yeah. 

1157
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,880
Exactly. 
And it's unfortunate, but that's

1158
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,080
the world that we live in. 
That is that is, that is the 

1159
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,480
world that we live in. 
And people, no matter what you 

1160
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,240
do, whether you're right or 
wrong, whether you do something 

1161
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,880
great or not so great, 
somebody's got something to say 

1162
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,440
about it, you know, and but if 
it's harmful, like you said, or 

1163
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,040
you really need to kind of cover
your tracks, you absolutely 

1164
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000
should speak up. 
I made that mistake. 

1165
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,560
I used to do it in the past all 
the time. 

1166
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,640
I used to keep my mouth shut. 
Things would pop off right on 

1167
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,520
live and I just keep my mouth 
shut and ignore it. 

1168
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,800
Now I address it now just I just
go right into it. 

1169
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,600
I love. 
I secretly love the trolls, I 

1170
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,360
really do. 
I love arguing because he'll see

1171
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,840
me in his chats and I'll fight 
with him. 

1172
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,840
I just like. 
I just can't take this because 

1173
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,600
their argument is so dumb. 
I always say, I tell him, I tell

1174
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,560
John. 
I was like, I got to do this 

1175
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,360
argument with someone because 
they're the argument was dumb. 

1176
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,480
Yeah, It's like if they came at 
me with some like a really 

1177
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,960
thought provoking argument. 
They never I would be. 

1178
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Okay, that's a good point. 
Maybe I need to work on that, or

1179
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,640
do, but it's never that, so 
that's real. 

1180
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,920
Quick, real quick. 
You guys know the dead bells, 

1181
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,520
right? 
You see those, those dead bells,

1182
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,920
you know, you click them on, you
set them down. 

1183
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,040
The spirits will set them off. 
I just put out a video. 

1184
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,000
I'm at Letchworth Village 
Cemetery. 

1185
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,040
I take the dead bell, dead bell 
from off the monument. 

1186
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,120
I put it down on the ground. 
You see me click it on to make 

1187
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,120
sure it's it's stable and it's 
not off because then all you 

1188
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,600
hear is a click. 
You won't hear the bell. 

1189
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,760
I click it on, I set it down. 
There's people going crazy. 

1190
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,400
You wounded that off. 
We watched you wind it up. 

1191
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,480
It's like you can't wind those 
up. 

1192
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,120
That's not how the those work, 
but it's just, you know, the 

1193
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,360
perception. 
It's just what people think and 

1194
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,680
what people don't understand. 
They are going to create these 

1195
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,520
narratives 100. 
Percent. 

1196
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,400
Yeah, Tessa is there. 
What? 

1197
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,640
What would you say is the 
biggest difference then with how

1198
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,160
you practice your craft and your
abilities versus other, you 

1199
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,160
know, psychics and mediums? 
How do you keep that accuracy, 

1200
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,040
integrity and grounded approach?
Like what? 

1201
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,360
What do you tell yourself and 
and what are those ground rules 

1202
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,280
for you specifically? 
To separate yourself. 

1203
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,400
Yeah, I always say that as a 
medium, our job, I think the 

1204
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,000
reason we have this ability, if 
the person that you're speaking 

1205
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,920
to, like if somebody came to me 
for a private reading or 

1206
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,840
something, if they didn't leave 
me feeling better about their 

1207
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,520
situation or about the people 
that they lost on the other 

1208
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,240
side, then I don't think that I 
did my job. 

1209
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,040
I've really never had that 
happen. 

1210
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,200
I think that, you know, if 
you're if you have this ability 

1211
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,760
and you're doing it correctly 
and your goal is to validate 

1212
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,800
that, There's no way I could 
know that this person on the 

1213
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,000
other side, any of this 
information that they're giving 

1214
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,360
me. 
But that they want you to know 

1215
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,480
this specific message that 
somehow, you know, lifts you a 

1216
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,520
little bit and makes you have 
faith that they are OK, that 

1217
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,360
they're on the other side, that 
those signs that you're getting 

1218
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,920
from them are real. 
Then I think I did my job, you 

1219
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,960
know, and so I think people with
my ability, different need, 

1220
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,400
there's many different mediums. 
I can't say that we all receive 

1221
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,400
information or deliver the 
information the same way. 

1222
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,560
I think we all have different 
ways of doing so. 

1223
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,840
But for me personally, I want to
know that who, even if it's a 

1224
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,520
live show with hundreds of 
people, if they don't walk away 

1225
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,720
from that show feeling like I 
have more hope that the other 

1226
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,280
side can connect because of what
I just witnessed and what I just

1227
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,680
heard. 
Then I didn't, you know, I 

1228
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,600
wouldn't have done my job. 
So that's the way that that I 

1229
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,680
practice. 
I talk to people the same way I 

1230
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,400
would talk to my friends or my 
family. 

1231
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Like I swear, I say it as it is 
because that's what spirit 

1232
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,680
wants. 
Like they want you to hear the 

1233
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,880
reality and have their 
personalities come through. 

1234
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,440
And so I'm very personable. 
I try to be with people to make 

1235
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,040
them comfortable. 
And, you know, because people 

1236
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,440
sometimes are intimidated by a 
medium, they think that, you 

1237
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,120
know, we're the all knowing 
people and we're like something 

1238
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,360
special and like we're really 
not. 

1239
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,600
We're just normal people. 
We just get different 

1240
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,200
information than you. 
So like, I'm a normal person, 

1241
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,880
you know, and I swear and I do 
crazy things and, you know, and 

1242
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,240
so there's a level of relate, 
relatableness. 

1243
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Is that even a word? 
We relate. 

1244
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,880
So I try to keep it, you know, 
as personal and relatable as 

1245
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,800
possible. 
And how do you define that line 

1246
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,480
between healthy skepticism and 
closed mindedness, especially 

1247
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,240
when you're working with law 
enforcement scientists or, or as

1248
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,600
we all know, hardcore skeptics 
in this space? 

1249
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,800
Yeah, I. 
Think skepticism like a level of

1250
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,880
skepticism is good because I 
think then that can wean out 

1251
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,680
maybe the people who say that 
they're mediums, but they're not

1252
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,400
really a medium or you know, so 
I do think a level of skepticism

1253
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,240
is Claire vagueness. 
Yeah, Claire. 

1254
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Vagueness. 
We call it Claire vagueness, 

1255
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,800
right? 
Yeah, You know, so I think a 

1256
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,200
level of skepticism is good. 
I never tried to change people's

1257
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,040
minds, though. 
Like my job is not to change 

1258
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,360
somebody's mind. 
I've had skeptics come to my 

1259
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,320
shows. 
Like I remember I had a guy 

1260
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,280
sitting like front row in this 
show that I did, me and Nick did

1261
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,400
in Buffalo. 
He was front row, total skeptic,

1262
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,080
right? 
And I spirit came directly to 

1263
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,600
him. 
I don't remember if it was, it 

1264
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,320
was a parent. 
I don't remember mom or dad, but

1265
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,320
I remember talking to him. 
And he just like sat like this 

1266
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,240
and he's looking at me and he's 
like, like, he didn't want 

1267
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,960
anything to do with it. 
I was like, OK, so I looked at 

1268
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,480
him and I'm like, that's OK. 
But after the show, you and I 

1269
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,480
are going to talk. 
You don't have to talk to me 

1270
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,880
right now, but I'm going to find
you. 

1271
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,200
And after the show, I went up to
him and he looked at me and he 

1272
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,400
goes, he goes, I, he goes, first
of all, I'm just not good in 

1273
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,320
front of people. 
And he said, but everything you 

1274
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,320
said to me was accurate. 
How the hell did you know that? 

1275
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,040
And I said, well, that it was 
your person, you know, I don't 

1276
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,720
have that information. 
It's coming from them. 

1277
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,400
They wanted you to have this 
information. 

1278
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,600
And since I have you standing 
here, here's the rest of the 

1279
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,520
message. 
He ended up crying and he never 

1280
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,800
admitted to me that I changed 
his mind because that wasn't my 

1281
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,320
goal. 
My goal was more so I don't want

1282
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,520
your family member following me 
home or something. 

1283
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,320
So I'm going to tell you what 
needs to be said. 

1284
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,920
And I did. 
But I think he said it without 

1285
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,040
saying it. 
You know, when you're when 

1286
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,160
you're crying like that and you 
could see somebody emotionally 

1287
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,240
being validated in some way, you
know, that there's a level of 

1288
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,840
them that believes you, you 
know, So I think that a level of

1289
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,760
skepticism is OK. 
I'm not looking to change 

1290
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,080
anybody's mind, but I'm very 
confident in what I do as a 

1291
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,120
medium and the information 
that's coming through. 

1292
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,640
And yeah, I hope. 
How often have they? 

1293
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,320
Followed you back. 
Well, I was. 

1294
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,000
I was just about to ask on on 
that subject of them possibly 

1295
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,680
following you back. 
Do you have an off switch? 

1296
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,680
Is it something that you have to
do in order to turn it off? 

1297
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,560
Or can you just instantly be 
like, all right, tune it out 

1298
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,400
right now? 
I can sometimes tune it out like

1299
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,160
a volume going down, but I can't
completely get rid of it. 

1300
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,880
I've never had somebody like 
follow me back, but I've had 

1301
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,880
spirit approach me beforehand, 
sometimes even days prior to 

1302
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,240
where then they're with me for 
days and I'm like, Oh my God, 

1303
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,160
like I can't wait to get to this
person's person so that I can 

1304
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,840
tell them what needs to be said.
It happened. 

1305
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,400
It happened on a criminal case 
that I did for it was a YouTube 

1306
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,160
that I did. 
It was with. 

1307
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,760
Oh my gosh. 
And it was it was a cold case, 

1308
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,120
80 something year cold case. 
It was a Jane Doe and he asked 

1309
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,200
me to come do it. 
And the night before or the day 

1310
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,600
or something prior, I tried to 
go to sleep and I started 

1311
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,600
hearing voices and I thought 
that Nick or the kids left TV 

1312
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,800
on. 
So I'm like hitting Nick and I'm

1313
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,520
like go turn the friggin TV off.
Like I'm trying to sleep and he 

1314
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,320
goes to look, no kids are awake 
and no television is on. 

1315
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,080
So then I'm thinking, Oh my God.
OK so I'm laying in bed and all 

1316
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,800
of a sudden I start hearing this
little girl talking to me and 

1317
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,880
another woman. 
And I'm like, at the time, I 

1318
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,960
didn't think about what I was 
going to go do the next day. 

1319
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,960
And then as we were driving to 
the cemetery, I started hearing 

1320
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,160
it again. 
And I turned to Nick and I'm 

1321
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,600
like, holy crap, the people I 
was hearing last night has to do

1322
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,240
with whatever this case is, 
whatever he's having us come 

1323
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,480
here for. 
And and then it plays out that 

1324
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,840
it was, in fact those souls 
coming to me the night before. 

1325
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,080
So I've never had them follow me
home luckily because I always 

1326
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,600
try to like get rid of the 
message, but I will have them 

1327
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,760
come to me beforehand and I 
can't get rid of it. 

1328
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,960
I can't completely block it. 
You can sometimes tune it down 

1329
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,000
like a volume, but you can't 
necessarily turn it off. 

1330
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,760
So wait, that guy? 
'S name was. 

1331
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,280
That guy's name was. 
Oh my gosh, like that's. 

1332
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,480
A real name. 
Yeah, his. 

1333
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Handle. 
His his handle on YouTube is our

1334
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,320
gosh. 
So have you ever had a, a time 

1335
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,920
where a spirit came to you, You 
know, you had no idea why the 

1336
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,800
spirit was coming to you and 
then all the sudden, you know, 

1337
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,000
you're doing, you know, a live 
taping, you're doing a live 

1338
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000
show, you're doing an episode 
for something and the Kinect 

1339
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,880
happens. 
Yeah, it's happened. 

1340
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,240
It's happened many, many times. 
You know, there was that 

1341
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,840
scenario that I told you about 
that there was there's another 

1342
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,240
scenario where I was doing like 
a group reading. 

1343
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,720
And I'll never forget. 
It was like an online group 

1344
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:26,320
reading that I did. 
And my son Luciano, who's three,

1345
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,560
he'll be 4, but at the time he 
was like 3. 

1346
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,080
And I Remember Me getting ready 
to do this online reading. 

1347
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,000
I was like putting makeup on to 
try to make myself look 

1348
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,040
presentable. 
And I turn and I heard Luciano 

1349
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,120
running around and he was kind 
of playing and like laughing. 

1350
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,680
And I'm looking and I'm like, 
who the hell is he talking to? 

1351
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,600
And I look and he's running in 
the upstairs to go back 

1352
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,920
downstairs. 
And I saw a little girl 

1353
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,120
following him in spirit and she 
was wearing a specific dress and

1354
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,800
I saw her hair. 
She had blonde hair. 

1355
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,360
And she's running. 
And I'm like, she's talking. 

1356
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,280
He's he's playing with a ghost 
like and it's not our 

1357
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,920
residential ghost for sure. 
I've never seen this one before.

1358
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,520
And then I get on this live and 
I'm like, I have to ask who who 

1359
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,640
lost the little girl 'cause she 
had to be 2-3 years old. 

1360
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,320
She was the same size as my son.
She was wearing this dress, 

1361
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,400
blonde curly hair, this and the 
other. 

1362
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,560
The girl had died the day prior.
Wow. 

1363
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,880
Fortunately of brain cancer it 
had. 

1364
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,560
She had succumbed to brain 
cancer. 

1365
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,400
She had died the day prior. 
And she came knowing that 

1366
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,920
somebody was going to be there 
to talk with her and that they 

1367
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,400
were waiting to talk with her. 
And she showed herself to me and

1368
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,360
was literally frolicking around 
until I jumped on that Zoom to 

1369
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,360
be able to give that message. 
So you. 

1370
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,920
Had no idea that that that those
people were going to be there 

1371
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,440
for that little girl. 
And that little girl came to you

1372
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,040
beforehand. 
Yeah. 

1373
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,960
Or to Luciana, who I would have 
put up for adoption if you found

1374
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,960
out he was a ghost and so. 
So that makes you think, right? 

1375
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,080
Doesn't that make you think like
you always hear, you know, I get

1376
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,760
a big question about spirits and
time, right? 

1377
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,560
And you always hear people 
talking about time doesn't exist

1378
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,120
on the other side. 
It's different. 

1379
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,560
It's different, but it really 
makes you think, like, how did 

1380
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,280
that little girl know that you 
were going to have the 

1381
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,600
opportunity to speak to their 
parents? 

1382
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,440
You want to know my theory on 
that? 

1383
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,160
Yes, I would. 
Love I would love to hear your 

1384
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,960
theory on it I. 
Recognize this when I was a kid,

1385
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,920
OK, when I was a kid, all these 
I would at the middle of the 

1386
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,920
night, I'd have spirits coming 
to me and I couldn't understand 

1387
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,000
it. 
I couldn't understand why. 

1388
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,360
And I'm thinking to myself, 
like, OK, the house is haunted, 

1389
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,720
but why are they all coming to 
me? 

1390
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,680
My mom's not saying that she 
sees anybody. 

1391
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,200
I had a younger sister. 
She's not saying that she sees 

1392
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,320
anybody. 
At the time, Grandma's telling 

1393
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
me I'm crazy. 
Casper, this, that and the 

1394
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,520
other. 
Why are they all coming to me? 

1395
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:58,280
And as I got older, I remember 
one of the spirits saying, you 

1396
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,440
have a light around you. 
You're like, we can see you, 

1397
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,080
you, you have this light around 
you. 

1398
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,000
So then I'm like, holy shit, 
we're like a lighthouse in the 

1399
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,920
dark to a spirit because we have
the ability and they know that 

1400
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,600
we can see them. 
And I think that they're able to

1401
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,640
know the difference between 
somebody who can see them and 

1402
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,360
can't see them. 
Like again, I always reference 

1403
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,680
the movie Ghost. 
And I know it's so corny, but 

1404
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,480
also there's like some truth 
behind it. 

1405
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,120
You know, it's like they, the 
spirit recognized like, Oh my 

1406
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,000
God, you can see me. 
You can see me. 

1407
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,960
Like how did Patrick Swayze know
to go to Whoopi Goldberg? 

1408
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,000
You know what I'm saying? 
Because she can see spirit and 

1409
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,320
Spirit knows the difference. 
So I think that spirit, like the

1410
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,360
little girl, for example, was 
with her family, but the family 

1411
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,920
knew I'm going to be talking to 
Tessa. 

1412
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,400
And so I think the little girl 
was able to somehow put two and 

1413
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,320
two together and come to me in 
that way energetically. 

1414
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,000
And she's like, oh, Tessa can 
see me. 

1415
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,320
And so I think that there's a 
connection to mediums and people

1416
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,520
with disability or any sense of 
intuition as being like a 

1417
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,280
lighthouse in the dark to 
spirit. 

1418
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,360
That's that. 
Quantum. 

1419
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,240
That's that. 
It has to be that quantum. 

1420
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,240
Yeah. 
Quantum, tunneling quantum, 

1421
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,320
however we want to call it. 
That's amazing. 

1422
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,640
Thank you for sharing that. 
Yeah. 

1423
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,920
Absolutely, Tessa. 
First of all, thank you so much 

1424
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,640
for your time here today. 
I got a couple more questions 

1425
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,920
for you. 
I'm sure you got these better 

1426
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,120
things to do to talk to a couple
Goombas like this, but what? 

1427
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,120
What up? 
What what's what's what? 

1428
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,880
You got a lot going on. 
A lot. 

1429
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,040
I'm really excited because my 
book is finally going to be 

1430
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,160
released and this is something 
that I've been working on for 

1431
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,800
years. 
There's two books that I'm going

1432
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,800
to have released. 
The first one is called A 

1433
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,760
Glimpse, and that goes from what
we started talking about the 

1434
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,560
time of me having my near death 
experience up until the time I 

1435
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,479
had my kids. 
So that's like the first part of

1436
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,840
my story because I believe that 
after I had my children, things 

1437
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,080
changed and my story becomes a 
bit different. 

1438
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,279
And so there's two separate 
stories. 

1439
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,720
But my first book, A Glimpse, 
will be out. 

1440
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,600
It's supposed to be dropping 
before May and so that's really 

1441
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,040
exciting. 
And then Nick and I are working 

1442
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,840
on 2 new series and we are 
working with a network called 

1443
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,160
Brandon Studios, Brandon TV AKA 
BTV. 

1444
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,760
They're out in Burbank. 
We did a couple live shows. 

1445
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,960
They have some really cool sound
stages and things out there, so 

1446
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,200
we're able to do live shows with
them. 

1447
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,200
But we have two series coming 
out. 1 is a reality show and 

1448
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,760
this one is based around our 
life as a medium, a paranormal 

1449
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,160
investigator and with a whole 
bunch of kids, some of which who

1450
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,160
have abilities and it's kind of 
giving you a, you know, that 

1451
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,760
look into our real life, you 
know, as a family. 

1452
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,479
And then the other one is about 
my ability to help with criminal

1453
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,479
investigations. 
It's going to be very, you know,

1454
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,520
just around that. 
So those are some things to look

1455
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,920
forward to. 
We have a lot of other different

1456
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,600
just events and things. 
We're going to be traveling a 

1457
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,160
lot so that we get to interact 
with a lot of fans and stuff. 

1458
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,200
So we're just really excited. 
I definitely. 

1459
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:47,880
Want to? 
I can't wait. 

1460
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,000
Check those out. 
When I do, tell me what I should

1461
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,800
look for to know, like what 
Tessa's fingerprint is on this 

1462
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,880
show as opposed to Nick's. 
What's yours? 

1463
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,760
Like when we're not watching 
these things? 

1464
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,920
How do I'm like, OK, that's 
Tessa, just got behind the 

1465
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,480
scenes here and told the 
producer what's up? 

1466
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:06,760
Probably your husband. 
What's up? 

1467
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,240
Like, what do we look for? 
Oh. 

1468
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,280
I'm so I'm just, I am so 
brutally honest. 

1469
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,640
I don't even think it would be 
behind the scenes. 

1470
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,880
It'd probably be right on 
camera. 

1471
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,960
It would be right on camera. 
Like as far as what are we gonna

1472
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,320
show? 
Like, yeah, like what do you? 

1473
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,000
What, what, what do you want to 
see in these productions? 

1474
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,240
You're doing what? 
How do I know? 

1475
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,560
Like, that's, that's Tessa's 
vision for this, you know? 

1476
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,720
Yeah. 
I want people to see the reality

1477
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,840
of things because I think that 
there's misconceptions with 

1478
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,760
people who are in the paranormal
world and what really goes on. 

1479
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,320
And like I said, I think that 
even as a medium, there's 

1480
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,640
misconceptions with the way that
we work or the way that we live.

1481
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,200
And I also think that it's 
interesting to see the real life

1482
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,560
dynamics of having children. 
I think other kids could, other 

1483
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,760
people can relate to this with 
children as well, how to 

1484
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,800
navigate children, seeing 
spirits and all of that type of 

1485
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,280
stuff. 
So I really want to focus on the

1486
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,680
reality of our lives and what 
really goes on, like the truth 

1487
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,600
behind it and the things that we
deal with because a lot of 

1488
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,400
people, they, especially with 
Nick, right? 

1489
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,440
Nick's been on TV for 20 years 
and they see him on Ghost 

1490
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:12,640
Adventures and Paranormal 
Lockdown, and he's that goofy 

1491
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,200
guy on Ghost Adventurers who's 
running around chasing ghosts 

1492
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,640
and the set the other. 
And people think like that's all

1493
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,160
he does. 
Like, that's it, right? 

1494
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:24,440
That's Nick Roth, but he's a dad
and he's a great athlete and we 

1495
01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:27,400
do some really weird shit 
together that's like not even 

1496
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,360
paranormal driven. 
Like we enjoy doing other 

1497
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,880
things. 
And you know, so I think it'd be

1498
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,000
cool to show the real life 
behind that and also the 

1499
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,960
struggles that we have and that 
it's not always wonderful, you 

1500
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,680
know, there's real life things 
that we deal with. 

1501
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,760
So yeah, we're really focused on
just the truth. 

1502
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,880
That's great. 
When I was started really 

1503
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,560
looking into you guys to for 
this even it's like, oh, you 

1504
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,640
know, you hear ghost adventures.
You naturally think Zach 

1505
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,080
Baggins, but it's you know, 
Nick's the guy who made the 

1506
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,600
dock. 
I mean, he's which is he's a big

1507
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,480
part of this. 
He is a big part of what people 

1508
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,720
know of, you know, paranormal, 
right? 

1509
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,960
I mean, when you look at what 
the big hits of paranormal TV 

1510
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,640
are, you go back to Ghost 
Hunters and you got Ghost 

1511
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,920
Adventures. 
I mean, these are the these are 

1512
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,600
the two top things for sure. 
I mean, to say otherwise, it's 

1513
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,600
just not true. 
I mean, those are the the go 

1514
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,720
TOS, right for everybody, the 
Ogs of it all. 

1515
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,480
So yeah. 
Exactly, you know, you're 

1516
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:23,480
certainly. 
Part of a legacy in this space 

1517
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:27,920
and I feel very lucky that you 
came on and were willing to talk

1518
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,760
to us today. 
It's a it's a, it's an education

1519
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,720
for me for sure and I really 
appreciate I really appreciate 

1520
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,160
your time. 
Thanks for. 

1521
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,520
Listening to me, I'm a blabber. 
I talk, so I'm glad you guys are

1522
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,560
willing to listen. 
We try. 

1523
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,400
We try to, but I. 
Try to listen. 

1524
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,800
I'm a big talker too, but for 
this I just try to keep my mouth

1525
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,680
shut and listen, you know? 
But I can go on and on myself, 

1526
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,480
yeah. 
No, I'm constantly. 

1527
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:54,120
Interrupt and jump in and like, 
have six people talking over 

1528
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,840
each other. 
I'll work it out later, you 

1529
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,640
know, that's just kind of the 
thing, you know, That's how. 

1530
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,200
Italians are. 
We're all yelling and 

1531
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,080
everybody's talking over 
everybody and whatever, but it 

1532
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,600
works. 
And then everybody ultimately 

1533
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,280
knows what the hell you said 
anyway, so it works. 

1534
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,600
Isn't that true? 
Yeah, it's true. 

1535
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,240
It's so. 
True. 

1536
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,160
Yeah, Thank you so much again 
guys. 

1537
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,040
Appreciate it. 
You're. 

1538
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,200
Welcome. 
Thanks for having me. 

1539
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:14,120
Thank you. 
Thank you. 

1540
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,520
Thank you. 
Well, that's it for another 

1541
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,600
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1542
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,760
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1543
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