1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,760 It's great when we get a guest that everything she is talking 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,520 about I can relate to my documentation. 3 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,680 As a black woman, as a young black woman, you can relate. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,800 Welcome, John, you are live. Go. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,400 What's up? What is going on the? 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Good people, can you hear me OK? I hear you. 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,040 I get a lot of complaints that I'm like not loud and loud or 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,440 something in the. Maybe you need to project 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:40,800 project from the diaphragm. Give me some bulk of lessons. 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,280 You sound fine to me. That sounds fine, right? 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,800 And then I don't know why it's sometimes I couldn't get on 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Insta today. So we are just on YouTube and 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Facebook. So welcome everyone. 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,320 Welcome, welcome, welcome. There's always something. 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Always something. All right, we're getting some 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,360 people coming in as we warm the crowd, as we warm the crowd up. 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,720 And warm them up. Get them all butted up. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Butter, butter, butter. Butter, butter. 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,440 How you doing, man? Hey. 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,840 So it's a, it's a warm 45° here right now. 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Oh, fancy. And by midnight it's going to be 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,760 50°. That's that is warm for where 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,440 you're at. I am very excited. 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,080 Yeah. But I but I finally get to, you 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,440 know, stretch my legs and go out there. 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,720 I feel like I've been kept in a cage. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,720 A cage I enjoy though, you know. Yeah, what? 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,960 What are you? Are you going to go out tonight? 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,640 I am going to go out tonight. I just can't tell the good 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,760 people where. No, no, you can't tell these 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,680 people. Want to be a nice surprise? 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Plus it's also, it's dangerous. You get crazies. 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,640 It's like you can't do it, can't do it. 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,760 You've got to, you've got to be John. 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,400 You've got to take, you know, you got to watch out. 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,280 You got the many fans, the crazy fans. 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Crazy ones. The crazy ones you got to worry 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,080 about. All right, dude, so we are a 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,880 week from Christmas. We've had a lot going on and we 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,120 have a guest today for the good people. 42 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:20,920 Yeah. So just talking about what's 43 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:23,920 aired and what is airing before we get to our guest who is in 44 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,320 the lobby right now. We just dropped our Beck 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,200 episode. Beck Ravenswood from Hanover, PA 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,640 who is fighting the law. Yep, and rightfully so. 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Guys, if you haven't seen that episode or watching another 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,720 story, check it out. She is a she's a small business 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,400 owner in Hanover, PA. She owns like a witch shop, a 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,320 spiritual shop. She gives tower card readings 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,640 and a cop walked in and threatened to to arrest her if 52 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,360 she if anybody ever complained for because. 53 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,800 Of an 18 it's so funny, babe for for. 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,920 An 1861 law it's insane it's. Just showed you how backwards 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,200 things are in many many places. I mean, it's like they've got 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,520 nothing better to do over there and they're going to like bust 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,080 their chops, right? You know what I mean? 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Bust their chops. Sorry, They're going to bust 59 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,520 Beck's chops over this. And like, I don't know, dude, 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,520 find something to do. Leave this person alone. 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,680 And she but she decided to take the fight to them. 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,000 It's like that's not cool and it's wild. 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,600 And we're keeping tabs on that story. 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,720 I think it's the coolest thing ever. 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,880 She's going to be fighting. She's going to be fighting that 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,360 fight for such a long time. I know maybe they'll eventually 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,800 just change the law before it's done, but. 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Unless somebody progressive gets in there, that's like, hey, you 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,880 know what? How about, how about it's not 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,720 about being progressive, How about just having a little 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,920 someone with common sense gets in there and saying like, give 72 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,480 me a break. You know, that's the thing too. 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,640 You know what's common sense? Again. 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Well, here's what's funny, dude. This is the this is the thing. 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,560 And I don't want to keep our guests waiting too long, but I 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,640 do want to touch this subject. Anybody in this profession that 77 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,440 is a Wiccan or a witch or gives tarot card readings or psychic 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,040 mediums has to qualify their work and say for entertainment 79 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,160 purposes only. And they have to do that so they 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,920 don't get sued by the imbeciles who were like, well, you told me 81 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,600 I was going to be this. It's like, you know, they have 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,200 to protect themselves. It's just because of laws like 83 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,000 this. And you know what's really 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,680 funny? The Catholic Church doesn't have 85 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,120 to save for entertainment purposes only. 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,200 You know, there's no other religion has to say for 87 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,600 entertainment purposes only, right? 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,400 Can't go suing the Vatican for no one's answering my prayers 89 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,760 today, right? But for some reason, very true, 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,720 right? For some reason, we've got it. 91 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Like everybody else said, they're they're lying. 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,360 They're the ones they're the ones who who could pretend are 93 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,480 out to take your money for I'll gotten gains, right? 94 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,560 But not the, but not the church, John, not the church. 95 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,320 They're all good. They're all, they're benevolent. 96 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,040 All these, all these, all these evangelists and all these 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,480 televangelists and these mega churches, They're all like, you 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,520 know, they're not for entertainment purposes only. 99 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,640 No, of course not. They're legit. 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,280 Anyway, let me tell you about our oh, and then Tuesday, before 101 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:28,200 I forget, I did an interview with demonologist James Anito. 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,280 So it's kind of a fun one. He's got some great stories 103 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:36,560 about his adventures. But let me get to our guest, our 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,600 guest today, ladies and gentlemen. 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,120 We got Marie Jackson joining the podcast. 106 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,400 All right. Marie is a paranormal 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,280 investigator, filmmaker, author, and founder of Ghost Link 108 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:49,640 Productions. With more than 100 109 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 investigations across haunted homes, historic sites, high 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,400 activity locations, Marie brings lived experience and emotional 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,720 truth to everything she creates. She's the creator and host of 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,720 Paranormal Impact, a platform known for blending real 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 encounters with healing, community, and cultural insight. 114 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,080 As an African American woman working in a space that has not 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,600 always been inclusive, Marie is also reshaping who gets to tell 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,000 paranormal stories and how these stories are told. 117 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,440 And dude, I, I don't know about you, man, but it's like, I have 118 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,440 not seen, I can't think of it. I'm not found or seen a lot of 119 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 African American or people of color in this space. 120 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,400 So I'm very excited. Avra. 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Well, I mean, there's, you know, there's, there's, there's a lot 122 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,440 of, there's a lot of things for that. 123 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,880 You know, there's a lot of reasons for that. 124 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Well, sure. Well, you know, right, Well, 125 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,680 whatever. It's hard for us to say, but for 126 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,200 Toby, documentaries or upcoming series Supernatural Sisters, I 127 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,360 think. I think that's with her actual 128 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,480 family. We'll find out more about it. 129 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,800 Her work pushes the genre forward with honesty, 130 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,880 representation and heart. Let us join Marie Jackson to the 131 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,160 pod. There's Marie. 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,000 Are you with us? Hello. 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,480 You are muted. Let me unmute you. 134 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,600 Does that matter? Oh, there you are. 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,160 There you go. Hello. 136 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,080 Welcome. Thank you. 137 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Thank you for. Having you for joining us. 138 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Marie, where are you? Where does this podcast find you 139 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,800 today? It finds me in the beautiful 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Midwest Kansas City, MO. Kansas City. 141 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,520 So Marie, it's we talked about this a little over e-mail 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,720 because I'm just very excited to have you on the on the podcast, 143 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:35,600 honestly. Thank you. 144 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,480 John and I are, I don't know, these two middle-aged white 145 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,080 goombas that are doing this thing in the ghost space and we 146 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,360 want to build this community and find more people that are sort 147 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,040 of shaking it up a bit and disruptors of it. 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,520 And I don't see a lot of people of color, you know, in, in the 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,160 space. I mean, yes, there were the of 150 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,320 course there are, you know, and I've seen the the ghost brothers 151 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 on it and all that. But for the most part, it's 152 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,200 dudes and it's white dudes and black T-shirts with their arms 153 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:08,720 crossed. Yeah. 154 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,200 When did you first, So when did you first realize, you know, 155 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,760 that, you know, when did you first come across the 156 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,320 paranormal? Give me a little back story. 157 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Let's give the good people like tell us your your history a 158 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,320 little bit. Well, you know, I first came 159 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,400 across the paranormal. This book back here that says 10 160 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,159 Feet Under is actually my book. And it's about my childhood and 161 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:36,679 what we went through being black family, living in a somewhat 162 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,320 suburban area and going through all these paranormal experiences 163 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,039 that we could not talk about. And it's here in Kansas City. 164 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,400 So that was my first encounter with the paranormal, but we 165 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,480 could not speak on it because it was taboo in our community to 166 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,520 talk about these things. In the black community or just 167 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,600 in your neighborhood or? Just in the black community, if 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,920 we spoke anything outside of strength, power, integrity, we 169 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,520 were labeled immediately labeled having some type of psychotic 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,120 issues or psychiatric problems, or you're not, you're not 171 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,920 abiding by your faith and religion the way you need to. 172 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,880 So there were so many stigma surrounding it. 173 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,160 And on top of that, my father, the house we lived in, it was 174 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,320 me, six other siblings and my mom and dad. 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,040 My father was. Six other siblings. 176 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,200 Yeah, we there's actually nine of us now. 177 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,480 But in that house, yeah, I got a big family. 178 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,320 All right, and where do you fall? 179 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Wait, wait, where do you fall? On the line? 180 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,720 So where are you now? Four older, 4 younger. 181 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,920 Wow, you're dude, you're smack down in the middle. 182 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:40,760 Yeah. All right. 183 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,440 OK. Yeah, So, you know, haven't gone 184 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,400 through that and they haven't internalized all of that stuff. 185 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,320 As an adult growing up, still wondering, OK, what the hell 186 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,640 happened to us? What we what did we go through? 187 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Was this real? Or was this some stuff that we 188 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,800 just imagined were children and just never actually talked about 189 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,960 as an adult but we were sworn? Tell me a story. 190 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,760 Tell. Tell us a story, Maria. 191 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,480 Like what happened? What was like one of the first 192 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,400 thing you experienced? So we we moved on up, we moved 193 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,720 on the South side of Kansas City. 194 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,120 And that was in the 80s. It was back in 88. 195 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,360 So I was 4 then. And in this area, we were the 196 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,160 only black family in the neighborhood. 197 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,080 Everybody else, you know, was white. 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,480 We were the only black family. So when we moved into this area, 199 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,040 my dad had this egotistical mindset, you know, like, you 200 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,880 know, we're in this new town. We're the only black people. 201 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,120 We got to keep up a standard. So moving into this house, day 202 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,600 one we noticed something was wrong with this house and the 203 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,160 the personal experiences that I had the day that I moved in, I 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,200 was playing with some toys and one of my toys just took off and 205 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,920 just levitated in the air. So me being 4 not really knowing 206 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,800 a lot about ghost and paranormal and things of that nature, I 207 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,160 didn't really look into it that heavy but things just kept 208 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,800 happening. So there was two days in my 209 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,720 mom's putting groceries away in the kitchen and then like this 210 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,560 it sound like a train went through our house and it was so 211 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:19,800 bad, so loud, so disturbing that my mom and I ran into the 212 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,840 kitchen and all of the dishes and everything was all over the 213 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,320 floor. Everything was completely 214 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,280 broken. Food was everywhere, everything 215 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,760 was all over the place. So there were several things 216 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,080 that just started happening, random things that started 217 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,760 happening. So as time went on, my dad tried 218 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,480 to dismiss it and put it on us as if we were the ones making 219 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,560 all of these really strange moves in the house because he 220 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,600 didn't want to take it. He didn't want to look at it and 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,760 take it seriously. He wanted to be dismissive of it 222 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,120 because he was a real strong willed guy, you know, he was a 223 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,280 man. What did he do for a living? 224 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,200 My dad was a cab driver and yeah, he was a cab driver and he 225 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,840 was a hustler, kind of. Race track. 226 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,480 But. This was all coming from this 227 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,240 wasn't just you, right? Like this was this was also your 228 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,800 your mom now and your other siblings, correct? 229 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,040 My mom, my other siblings and my father, we all experienced 230 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,440 something in that house, but again, we were not allowed to 231 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,040 speak. So things kept getting worse. 232 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,080 It got so bad to where have you ever seen the movie Poltergeist? 233 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,800 That stuff is real and that's very similar to what we were 234 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,880 going through. So imagine not being able to 235 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,920 tell anybody that your your brother got levitated in the air 236 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,320 and tossed across the room and not being able to speak on it. 237 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,000 So we stayed in this house for a couple years and my mom was very 238 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,520 docile and she was very submissive to my father's 239 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,240 orders. So she never challenged him. 240 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,720 She never went against what he said was the way that the 241 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,360 directing of the direction of the home. 242 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,200 So one time it got so bad to where the school started 243 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,880 contacting us because they thought my parents were beating 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,960 on us because we would go to school with scratches and scars. 245 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Like I have a scar right here from one of the energies 246 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 levitated me off the bed and tossed me into the wall. 247 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,560 And then I hit my head on the Tonka truck. 248 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,560 So it started getting so bad to where my mom was like, we can't 249 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,880 stay here. We can't. 250 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,680 So we eventually end up leaving the house and we were told we 251 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:18,080 cannot talk about it with anybody. 252 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,840 So we never talked about it. My dad died in 2016. 253 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,920 So when he died, I felt like, let me get with my family and 254 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,520 see what they think and see if they remember all of these 255 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,200 things that we went through or if I was just imagining it. 256 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,360 So we had a meeting, my mom and my siblings, and we all sat down 257 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,680 and we started talking about what we were going, what we went 258 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,760 through, and we all corroborated each other's stories. 259 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,240 And then we actually started sharing what happened. 260 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,640 And it was so relieving for us to actually talk about it and 261 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,480 not feel like we were not not able to give breathing room for 262 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,160 us to express ourselves and to really talk about what the 263 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:58,040 depths of what we went through. So after that, I was like, I 264 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,440 need to find more out about this house. 265 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 I need to know if anybody else went through this. 266 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,240 So I started doing research on the House. 267 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,680 And the house is owned by a property management company. 268 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,400 So I went back to the home and just kind of started knocking on 269 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,600 doors and I went to the property, met some of the 270 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,160 current tenants. And then as I started doing more 271 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,600 research on the home, I realized that there was so many people 272 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,080 that were going through something very similar to what 273 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,520 we went through. So it was relieving to know that 274 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,480 what we went through wasn't some crap that we just made-up in our 275 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,960 mind. It was so it was so relieving 276 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,560 that others were able to corroborate. 277 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,080 There's there's so many people that live in that house that are 278 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,840 still standing in the original home ranch style. 279 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,160 And we're not talking about a big Victorian house like most 280 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,680 people think these haunted houses are. 281 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,240 We're talking about 1000 square foot ranch style home on a slab 282 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,440 with no, no second level, no basement, just a ranch style 283 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,120 home with three bedrooms and a bathroom. 284 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,440 So you know it. And it's so funny 'cause people 285 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,280 always get this idea of what haunted is and I'm like, no, you 286 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,600 have no idea if that place was culture guys haunted. 287 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,720 So it. Was. 288 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,160 There's degrees. Is there like is it? 289 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,160 It's like, is it now? Is poltergeist haunted below 290 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,280 conjuring haunted or above conjuring haunted or like 291 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,840 shining haunted? Like where? 292 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,320 What is your? How do you rank it? 293 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,120 It's a little below, below conjuring. 294 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,640 Conjuring was pretty intense, but it's definitely up there 295 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,400 like when you're seeing your siblings get drug across the 296 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,520 floor and you're flying in the air. 297 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,000 You know, when you're hearing disembodied voices and and 298 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,240 you're you're getting attacked not only just physically in the 299 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,080 presence of at any time of the day. 300 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,760 It didn't care what time of the day it was. 301 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,040 And then you're also having intense dreams. 302 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,960 It's it's it's, you know, borderline conjuring slash 303 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,840 poltergeist, the the movies that we actually watch very similar 304 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,040 to our experiences and some other people that went that 305 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,400 lived in the house. So now, you know, I gotten so 306 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,600 crazy about this house. I, I tried to talk to the 307 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,480 property management company because I'm like, I want to buy 308 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,240 this house. I want to buy it. 309 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,320 I want to preserve it. I'm immoralizing. 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,120 They will not. They will not. 311 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,920 What is that like though, Marie? Is that like Stockholm syndrome 312 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,680 or something? Like what made you want to love 313 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,200 to stay in this house or or you know what or and then what made 314 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,960 you what made you start investigating tons of other 315 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,920 locations? When did you make that turn for 316 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,040 yourself? Yeah, and that's so interesting. 317 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,080 So in that same area that my my old house is on, there was other 318 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,320 things I started remembering about some of the neighbors, 319 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,400 like the neighbor that sat right behind us, they had a lot of 320 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,600 religious artifacts all over their yard, like in their 321 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,720 windows, they would have crosses and praying Marys everywhere. 322 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,720 So I went to that house and I just kind of started knocking 323 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,880 and I spoke to during the time when we lived in our house, the 324 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,240 mother lived in that house so that she gave the house to her 325 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,080 daughter. So the daughter decided to tell 326 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,360 me about everything that she was going through and the stuff that 327 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,440 they would report that was happening to them when they were 328 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,920 little kids. So she let me come do an 329 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,079 investigation in her house. And I was so, oh God, the things 330 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:12,839 that we saw in that home, the dark shadows, the dark energies, 331 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,640 faucets and stuff just coming on by themselves. 332 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,800 It was so interesting. She told the neighbor on the 333 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,000 same block because the other neighbor in that same areas was 334 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,680 having very similar issues. So I started investigating that 335 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,040 block by itself. So when they found out about me, 336 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,280 'cause I had started investigating so many houses in 337 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,040 that strip and learning about paranormal. 338 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,000 And as I'm going through it, I started doing it in 2016 when I 339 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,520 really researched it when my dad died. 340 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,720 So I started learning about paranormal and equipment devices 341 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,760 so I could teach myself how to investigate and inspect these 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,680 houses. So as the time went on, I'm just 343 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,480 doing this 'cause I needed the closure. 344 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Somebody on that block is related to somebody that works 345 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,560 at the news station. So she reaches out to me and I 346 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,920 end up doing an interview. And then I got put on the front 347 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,680 cover of Pitch Weekly because of some of the investigations I did 348 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,480 on that block. So after I got put on the cover 349 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,560 of Pitch Weekly, it was an influx of people that reached 350 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,480 out to me in Missouri. They were contacting me, people 351 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,960 of my color, my, my demographic. They were reaching out to me 352 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,480 because they're like, Oh my God, a black girl, this is good, this 353 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,160 is great. I could tell you about my story 354 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,920 and I don't have to feel in, you know, ashamed or embarrassed or 355 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,720 timid to talk about it. So I kind of was the poster 356 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,560 child for the black community and the paranormal. 357 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,120 So I started doing more investigations. 358 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,000 I've done over 200 plus investigations. 359 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,920 And when I tell you guys, these investigations are just in 360 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:50,120 people's regular homes, not in these big commercials locations 361 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,760 that they post all over the Internet in people's private 362 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,280 homes. I got to the point now where I 363 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,000 have to pre screen my investigations and I'll do 364 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,120 preliminary investigations 'cause people hit me up so much. 365 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,560 I end up getting on television and radio stations started 366 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,640 reaching out to me and it just, it was just expanding so far. 367 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,880 And I all I was just trying to do was give myself closure. 368 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,720 I don't, I end up just tapping into industry that was just not 369 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,200 heavily populated with people that look like me. 370 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,680 So I felt like at this point, I had an obligation to keep going. 371 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,600 I had an obligation to keep doing investigations, to keep 372 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,920 relating to people who look like me and then, you know, continue 373 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,640 to bring them closure in their lives. 374 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,400 So it just, it just kept going from there. 375 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,560 And it's been a really, really interesting journey to the point 376 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,800 where I. Yeah. 377 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,720 No, no, so, no, no. So Marie, what when you're on 378 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,440 these investigations and you're, and you're dealing with, so it 379 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,520 sounds like you're dealing with predominantly African Americans 380 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,800 that are calling you, right? Like 'cause they don't know who 381 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,880 else to call and they're calling you with their in your, in your 382 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,040 area, right, predominantly in Kansas City. 383 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,840 So what have you, what can I ask all of our guests is So what 384 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,080 with all of these investigations, what do you 385 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,600 think these hauntings are? What do you think spirits are? 386 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,920 You know, I, I actually give these energies and identity, I 387 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,040 don't call them spirits, I don't call them ghosts. 388 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,480 I call them energies because in essentially that's just what 389 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,640 they are. And I try to stay away from the 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,640 religious association of describing them because it gets 391 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,600 a little, gets a little blurred. So when I'm doing my 392 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,920 investigations, I classify them as energies from grade level 1 393 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,800 to a level 4, which would be considered the four would be 394 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,560 more of a demonic energy, one would be more of the grandma 395 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,400 ghost. Some, you know, an energy that 396 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,480 you know is present, but not manipulative or possess the 397 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:53,080 essence of wanting to harm you. So in the area that I lived in, 398 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,080 the research that I did and I, I can't give you too much of it 399 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,600 because I put this information in my second book, in my second 400 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,440 memoir. But in the area that I lived in, 401 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,280 there is a lot of history in that land and a lot of things 402 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,440 that were done ritual, ritualistic wise, that summoned 403 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,280 a lot of these existing energies, these considerable 404 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,040 demonic energies to this entire area. 405 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,760 And you know, like I said, people give their own 406 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,720 identification based on their religious denomination. 407 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,760 They they associate it based on, you know, what their faith is, 408 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:34,760 but it All in all, it's energy and it's recycle and they're 409 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,720 recycling. Do you think do you find them to 410 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,880 be? What happened here? 411 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Did I? Sorry I just got this techno 412 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,600 warning. When we go live, sometimes we 413 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,360 get a little tech issue. I should be back. 414 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,440 Froze. OK, he'll be back. 415 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,320 So have you found? Yeah. 416 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,680 When we go live, sometimes it gets, it gets a little wacky, 417 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,400 but it's, it's fine. Have you found you know when 418 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,720 when you talk about these energies, do you feel that they 419 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:10,560 are emotional imprints or conscious entities, or is it 420 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,680 something else entirely? It's, it's still a compelling 421 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,480 research I'm doing on these because there is no definitive 422 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,040 explanation for their overall existence. 423 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,000 There's so many, there's so many layers of these energies and the 424 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,400 reasoning why and reasoning how they come to be. 425 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,480 For example, there are some energies that attach themselves 426 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,960 to objects and some that don't. You know, why is that? 427 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Why does this one attach itself to this object? 428 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,000 And this one is more of a lingering energy that just wants 429 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 to be acknowledged. I've learned that a lot of 430 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,640 energies that have a very strong presence tend to be summoned 431 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,720 from rituals and, and, and what they would consider demonic, 432 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,400 demonic rituals like satanic rituals and things like that. 433 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,720 When they're being summoned. And then they tend to be a 434 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,440 little bit more active because there's a collective compound of 435 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,040 energies that are being summoned together and they're doing, 436 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,560 they're more disturbing than say an energy that's more attached 437 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,160 to an object. Why they have these, these 438 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,120 attachments, why they have these excessive existence and, and why 439 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:23,000 their beings are so disruptive and present. 440 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,280 It's, it's still a compound. It's a compound of information. 441 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,720 I'm still researching. There are times. 442 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 I like that answer. I like that answer that you 443 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,880 don't have anything you don't know, you know where it's it's 444 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,160 not so definitive. We've talked to many people and 445 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,960 some people are like, this is what it is and it's nice to 446 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,800 hear. It's like, man, I don't know 447 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,720 what it is. And that's that's. 448 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,120 Really the truth, you know, we, we can't say, oh, this one is, 449 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,360 is, is here because of this or just because you died in a 450 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,000 house. Oh, that's got to be my 451 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,560 grandmother because my grandmother died. 452 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,640 It's not that case. I did an investigation recently 453 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,680 in Oklahoma and I found that the energies, the the husband and 454 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,000 wife, the wife's home, she lived in with her husband who died in 455 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,120 the house and then the hus, the new husband moved into the 456 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,760 house. So they were having all these 457 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,200 energy disruptions and she believed it to be her husband. 458 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,320 So as I started digging a little bit further and researching a 459 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,440 lot more about their, their, their home and the history of 460 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080 the land and just the history of a lot of things that they did 461 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,520 it, I came to find out that I'm like, there is way more than 462 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,640 just one energy here. And this energy, 'cause I can 463 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,240 feel the vibrations of the energies, I could tell you if 464 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,640 it's a female, potentially if it's a male, I said these, these 465 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,320 energies are not just associated with your husband, These are 466 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,360 stronger. So then I found out that the new 467 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:58,760 husband was playing with Ouija boards and the energies were 468 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,760 attached to him. So whenever he would come home, 469 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520 the energies kind of erupted a lot stronger because his 470 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,840 presence was there. So the wife is associating with 471 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,200 with her death of her husband. And I'm like, Nah, this is 472 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,280 deeper than that. This is more than one energy. 473 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,760 There's a lot of dark energies and and shadows in your house. 474 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,360 And that's indicative to multiple energies here. 475 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,040 So how they? Get are they hoping that are 476 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,520 they hoping that you get rid of these energies is. 477 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,760 That what they want. I'm an investigator. 478 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,720 I'm not a Ghostbuster, OK? I'm not going there. 479 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,680 I'm not going to your house. I'm not taking one of those bags 480 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,680 and I'm not taking it with me. I'm there to I'm there to 481 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,440 corroborate what you're experiencing so you don't think 482 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,680 you're crazy. So you have a Peace of Mind. 483 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,480 You know, I am going through something. 484 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,040 This is not something of a figment of my imagination. 485 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,440 So. But yeah, most of the time they 486 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,400 think that I'm going to come and I'm going to do some kind of 487 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,360 ritual and I'm going to sage and I'm going to clear it out for 488 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:57,480 you. I'm going to take it with me. 489 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,040 No, I'm not here for that. And I have to explain that very 490 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,800 thoroughly in the beginning, 'cause that's what they're, 491 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,160 that's the impression they're getting. 492 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,200 Do you think, you know, that these paranormal experiences are 493 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,440 sort of interpreted or filtered differently because, you know, 494 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,480 depending on the culture and depending on your culture, like 495 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,360 what do they and do you go in and have to like and read, teach 496 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,760 and teach or how do you explain it? 497 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,160 Are they all coming at you like this is a demon or is it very 498 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,680 religious? And then you're like, it's not 499 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,560 at all religious Or how do you and how do you balance that? 500 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Yeah. So one thing that I had to do is 501 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,840 try to not give myself a defendant religious association 502 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,640 to everything that they might be experiencing. 503 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,080 However, I tell everybody, you know, wherever your religious 504 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,160 faith is, stand behind that, whatever you believe in. 505 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,080 And I had to take it upon myself to research these religions so I 506 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,200 can understand potentially what it is that they practice and 507 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,520 what it is that they believe in. So I've, I've read so many 508 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,440 books. I mean, I've read, I'm not into 509 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,960 demonology or any of that or anything like that, but I've 510 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,120 read the books. I read the What did you? 511 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,080 Read what? What did you read? 512 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,560 What are your go TOS? Who are your teachers? 513 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480 My there's a book, I don't know the name of the author, but 514 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,280 it's, it's called the Dictionary of Demons and it tells you the 515 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,680 definitions of specific names and a specific demonic 516 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,960 association, specific ritualistic practices, and it 517 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,280 gives me an idea of what that person might be experiencing 518 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,480 based on that, that association. Not all the time is that the 519 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,840 case? And then there's another book. 520 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,000 I'm bad with authors names, but I'm great with titles. 521 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,160 There's there's another book called I have read so many books 522 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,200 it is called The Teachings of the New Age. 523 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,200 I can't remember. I think his name is Robert Hamm 524 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,880 and he teaches you about all the different religions, what they 525 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 believe in, what their ritualistic practices are. 526 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,680 And it tells you what you might be walking into when you're 527 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520 dealing with somebody who religiously thinks like this or 528 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,520 what they might be actually practicing in their home or in 529 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,360 their lifestyle. So I, I research and I educate 530 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,200 myself before I go into anything. 531 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,880 And one of my big things is I got to know your history. 532 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,600 I got to know you psychologically. 533 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,080 I got to know you as far as from a religious aspect. 534 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,400 I got to understand where your mind is because sometimes the 535 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200 element of the mind and the way that they practice things can be 536 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600 conducive to how strong the energies are in their house. 537 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,520 They could either be attaching themselves stronger or just 538 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400 making themselves more present and active, depending on what 539 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,320 you guys are doing. Because there's, there's a lot 540 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520 of people who don't realize, OK, these energies exist, but you're 541 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760 either going to make them stronger or are you going to 542 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560 they're just going to exist in a weaker version depend on what 543 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,800 you do. There is a family here in Kansas 544 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880 City that would go downstairs in their basement and they have one 545 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,240 of those six point stars. And they would, they would do 546 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,200 their religious meditative practices as they called it. 547 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,360 But they weren't realizing that they were inviting energies into 548 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,120 their orbit and into their aura. And they were becoming stronger 549 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800 and stronger because of this religious thing that they done 550 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880 that they would do. So I I try to educate myself 551 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,000 before I walk into any interesting situation. 552 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,120 Now you're, you started a production company, you're a 553 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,200 storyteller. You're, you know, and you're 554 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,080 right. How are you trying to tell the 555 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,120 stories of what you're experiencing and of African 556 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,440 Americans in the paranormal differently than what we've 557 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,760 seen, if at all? How is that? 558 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Is there a difference in the way you tell these stories or not? 559 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,320 There's not a difference the way that I the way that I do them is 560 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,320 I doing them from an organic stance. 561 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,160 I let the I have a podcast called Paranormal Impact that 562 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,760 I'm developing. So I have I have people, this is 563 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040 actually my studio. So some people will come here 564 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,560 and then they'll say and we'll do an interview. 565 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,520 So what I'll do with them is I say be organically. 566 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,160 You don't feel like you have to sound scripted. 567 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Don't feel like you have to add more layers to what you're 568 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,240 experiencing because you think about what people are going to 569 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,760 say or how they're going to respond to you. 570 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Just be yourself. If you talk with a list or you 571 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,360 talk slang, I want you to be 100% you because this is going 572 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440 to be a relatable moment for somebody else. 573 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240 So I get them to be organically themselves. 574 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,560 And then that gives them one, the comfort level they need to 575 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,200 share their story, but also the ability for other people like 576 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800 them to share their story as well and not feel like they have 577 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,960 to put on this, this face to, to, to do that. 578 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,320 So, but the storylines and the way that people share their 579 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:55,120 stories, I, I use the same strategic, just a strategic 580 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,280 interview set up. I don't. 581 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 I don't alter it one way or the other because you're black or 582 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,800 you're white. I just interview you and let you 583 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,480 be who you are and share what you've been through. 584 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,880 Do you feel like you've hit any walls or barriers being an 585 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,920 African American woman in this space or? 586 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,000 I did. I have really. 587 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960 I have and, and there's still things that I'm filtering 588 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,920 through just even having gotten as far as I have, I, I had to 589 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,200 deal with the, the ridicule and the judgment from my African 590 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,600 American community and everybody outside, all my counterparts 591 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040 were very supportive and they're very intrigued and interested in 592 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680 this thing that I'm this investigation investigative 593 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,360 journey. But the black people were so 594 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,000 hard to get through to. So I had to be labeled. 595 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,280 I was labeled, I was scrutinized, I was drugged, 596 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320 judged. And that was the, the biggest 597 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,000 attack on my career with the investigation is the judgement 598 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,680 from people that I was trying to get engaged and make feel like, 599 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,000 make them feel as if, you know what I'm dealing with. 600 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320 I don't have to be afraid to talk about it anymore. 601 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,880 So as I've, as I've gone through the journey of it during 602 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,040 investigations, you know, it's still intriguing to a lot of 603 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200 people because one, I'm considered a very beautiful 604 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,640 black woman, which I think I am. And they don't see, thank you. 605 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,880 They don't see me in that industry, let alone. 606 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,640 I would just go, first of all, you're just a beautiful woman, 607 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,840 you know #1. Well, well, Gary, what she's 608 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,640 going through is what I see in my comment section all the time 609 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,640 on social media. White people shit. 610 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,360 Literally, literally that. Oh, he's doing white people 611 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,400 shit. So I can only imagine what I, I 612 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,760 and I maybe in a little bit. I'd love to hear a little bit 613 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,000 about that if you're open to talk about it, because that's. 614 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,280 I'm open. You're open. 615 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,240 Love it. Yeah. 616 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,800 You know, they would always say, oh, you're doing that white 617 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,480 people shit. Shit, yeah, White. 618 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:58,920 People. Shit. 619 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Yeah. White people don't do that, You 620 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,800 know. You, you are. 621 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Do you believe in God? That's one thing that I've 622 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,520 always been told You don't believe in God, girl. 623 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280 You, you into this satanic stuff. 624 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,800 You must be into voodoo. You must be into witchery. 625 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120 And I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm just a regular person that 626 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,640 happens to be black. That is had experiences that I 627 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,520 decided I wanted to share with the world. 628 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,280 And you know, I'm not associated with any type of demonic 629 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,040 ritualistic practice just because I decided to look at 630 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,200 things differently than other people in my community. 631 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,480 It has been so hard and there's been, I have now I've been 632 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400 getting a lot more support from black people, but because now 633 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520 it's like I'm not going to change the optics in, in who I 634 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,560 am to appease your insecurities. I'm not changing it. 635 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360 And I felt like at one point I had to dumb down my 636 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,960 investigative research to make people feel comfortable for my 637 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,640 demographic. And I said, you know what? 638 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,840 No 'cause the only way that things are going to change is if 639 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,120 you acknowledge that they need to change and you can be 640 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120 consistent in that change. So I just stayed consistent. 641 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,080 But it I I've had more ridicule from black people than any other 642 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,880 race. Now when it comes to proving 643 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,840 myself, I feel like I have to work 10 times harder to prove 644 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,840 myself one, because I'm a black female and this is not a 645 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,719 dominated industry by black people. 646 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,400 So I have to work twice as hard to make myself visible because, 647 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,719 you know, it's predominantly dominated by Caucasian white 648 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,679 men. And, you know, now the Caucasian 649 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,639 women are starting to become more visible, which I'm happy 650 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,679 about that 'cause this was predominantly a male dominated 651 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,000 feel. And then now we're starting to 652 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,280 see a lot more color that's coming to the surface. 653 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,600 You'll. Usually only see, you usually 654 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,159 only see like a group, A-Team of four dudes and like one chick. 655 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,080 And then there's like or, and we had we found one, we highlighted 656 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,720 a group not far from you, John, that Full moon paranormal where 657 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,840 it was a, a team of four women, you know, that that were 658 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,600 involved. But you know, but but yeah, 659 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600 you're right. I mean even women just in 660 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,880 general, they're usually one on a team. 661 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,040 You know. As opposed or or they're on 662 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,000 their. Own take away everything that we 663 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,680 were just talking about. You are one of the very few 664 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,440 people that are still going into people's homes 'cause in this in 665 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,360 this field now it's all these outdoor locations or as you put 666 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,200 it, these monster, you know, these, these these famously 667 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,600 haunted big establishments. You know, that's all you ever 668 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,440 see. So that's awesome too by the. 669 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Way, yeah. And I, I had to 'cause I said 670 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,680 this, we had a basic regular ranch style house. 671 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,200 How many of these people are going into these average looking 672 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,320 houses, investigating them? They're not doing it. 673 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,880 They're not. They're not. 674 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,200 They're going to commercial locations, locations that are so 675 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,840 well known and predominantly commercialized. 676 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,280 They're not going into these houses where people are really 677 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,160 having these issues. So I've gone into Barber shops, 678 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,160 beauty shops, schools, radio station, television station. 679 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,920 We got Fox News here in Kansas City. 680 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160 I went and did an investigation in in the boiler room downstairs 681 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,480 in there. I'm going into places people 682 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,040 don't typically frequent. I have an investigation coming 683 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,960 up at a recording studio where they go record music. 684 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,080 They reached out to me and they're like, we got some stuff 685 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,200 going on. Yes, I will be there. 686 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,840 Awesome. You know, 'cause these things 687 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440 are just not, they don't typically investigate these 688 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,720 things. And this is a reality. 689 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,120 We are going through something that is a lot stronger than what 690 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,760 people are willing to be to admit. 691 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,560 And, and it's not always in this prepackaged image. 692 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Yeah. And these people are, are, are 693 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,760 dealing with these things. I, I, I investigated people's 694 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,000 personal apartments. You know, there was a whole 695 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,080 floor in an apartment complex that I investigated here in 696 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600 Kansas City, and they were, you know, having paranormal energy 697 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,640 disturbances, so. They got to get you on Bagan's 698 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600 guys to get you on his house calls show. 699 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,160 I need to, you know, for when they're in that part of the 700 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,200 country for sure, right? Oh my God, so. 701 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,320 Right, Marie, so you're, you're, you touched on this a little 702 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880 bit, but your books, so you wrote two books, 10 feet Under 703 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080 and 10 Feet above, which are personal, right? 704 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,480 They're about to explore trauma and spiritual awakening. 705 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,720 How do you feel that that those types of things are connected to 706 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,240 paranormal sensitivity, if at all? 707 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,960 I think, I think that when a person has a certain level of 708 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:41,720 trauma or a certain level of exposures in their life, it can 709 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,720 raise the energy levels and, and the attachments to these 710 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080 energies. Or, you know, it just depends. 711 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,520 I tell people, you know, be as strong as you can in your mind 712 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,680 because the stronger you are, the more stronger you are 713 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,360 against whatever it is you're trying to face. 714 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640 But if you have this weak vessel and you have the weak mindset, 715 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,200 you become a, a, a, a vessel that's easy to penetrate. 716 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,840 So so I I say it's mind over matter. 717 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,560 It's all mind over matter. It's all about that intent. 718 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,320 Yeah, it really is, because there's a family that was 719 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600 dealing with some things and I'm like, they're not going 720 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,160 anywhere. So you guys are going to have to 721 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,080 strengthen your mind and how you want to deal with them and have 722 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,400 some kind of relatability to them because they're not leaving 723 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,680 this house. They were here before you came. 724 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,440 So it's up to you if you decide you want to stay here and these 725 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,080 are the conditions that you're going to stay in. 726 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,120 So the traumas and the experiences and then, you know, 727 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,680 person's life exposures definitely have some type of 728 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,560 influence on how strong these energies are in their life. 729 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Got it. Have you seen investigations 730 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,880 where you know they'll become moments of healing at all for 731 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,200 these people or, you know, either for the living or for the 732 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,400 spirits? I know you said you're not a 733 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,080 Ghostbuster, but has it ever just happened by you being there 734 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,520 helping them and then they they have called you back and said I 735 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,560 don't know what you did, but yeah. 736 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,240 It's you know, you know. That Peace of Mind sort of 737 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,480 healed it for them or something. Peace of Mind. 738 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,080 It's the Peace of Mind and knowing that they're not alone 739 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,080 in what they're experiencing that people want. 740 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,200 Sometimes they just want to know that somebody cares enough about 741 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680 what they're experiencing in that way they're experiencing, 742 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,520 whether they can change it or not. 743 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,720 They're not. They're not, you know, living in 744 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:31,640 the state of living in that state of mind by themselves. 745 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,040 So when these people like 11 investigation I had, it was a 746 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,320 young lady I went to school with and I went to her house. 747 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,240 I documented the conditions and the findings. 748 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,240 And you know, she she called me back. 749 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,400 She was like, I just want to tell you, I don't know what you 750 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,000 did, but I'm able to live here with them and I'm not as afraid 751 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,680 as I used to be. And you know, like I said, mind 752 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,360 over matter. You have to be stronger than 753 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,960 what it is, especially if you want to stay here. 754 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160 They're not gone anywhere. So, you know, and I said, 755 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,160 whatever it is you believe in, use it. 756 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,280 If you like to say it's your house and you feel like that's 757 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,400 going to be something that can calm them, I said my calm them. 758 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,440 It's not going to get rid of them. 759 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,040 Just remember that. So if you want to calm these 760 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,920 energies and this is how you you, you typically handle things 761 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,040 from a religious standpoint, then live heavily in your faith, 762 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200 live heavily in that, and then build a bridge to these energies 763 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,600 because. Some of the energies, like I 764 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,080 said, I consider one through 121 energy, one through 2 more of a 765 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,440 grandma style energy, which is what she was dealing with. 766 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,280 Sometimes they just want to exist. 767 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,960 Sometimes these energies may have existed, existed in the 768 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,600 farm very similar to ours. They just want to be 769 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,560 acknowledged. So if you go downstairs in your 770 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,920 house, you know, these energies are there and you like, hey, 771 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,040 y'all, I'm coming down here just to let you know, don't do 772 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,640 anything too weird, you know, talk to him. 773 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,720 Just state your state, your dominance over them. 774 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,120 So that way you're not living in this mindset of fear. 775 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880 And then maybe they're able to relate to you in a different 776 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,280 energy capacity. Wow. 777 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,840 Let let let me tell you something. 778 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,560 It's just, again, it's just awesome to have you on and 779 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680 awesome here in this, you know, perspective. 780 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:18,120 And have you ever, have you ever came across any spirits that 781 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600 obviously, you know, said something about your appearance? 782 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,000 You know, 'cause for example, I, I mean, First off, I've dealt 783 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,600 with tons of racist spirits and it's, and it's, it's the worst 784 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,480 when you're alive because they straight up, they can get me 785 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,560 banned, right? So that's, that's the worst for 786 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,920 me anyway, 'cause my, my stuff gets banned. 787 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,880 But they, they call me and they talk about my weight. 788 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,120 You know, they call me fat all the time. 789 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080 I deal with a bunch of stuff, you know, or just, you know, 790 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,680 being a woman in general. I I hear a lot of women in this 791 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,440 field say that sometimes they feel, you know, almost like the 792 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,760 spirits going after them because they are a woman. 793 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,920 Yeah, that's funny. No, I have never been had a 794 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,640 spirit attack my physicality, but that's pretty funny that you 795 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,800 mentioned that. It is pretty funny, by the way. 796 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,240 It's funny. It is funny when they do it to 797 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:16,240 me and it really is so. I, I did an investigation with 798 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,320 one of the ghost brothers, Dalen Spratt. 799 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,800 He's, he's one of the ghost brothers and we did an 800 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,200 investigation at the Sally house. 801 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,040 I don't know if you guys have ever heard of that location. 802 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,360 Is it? And we were there and apparently 803 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,440 the history of this house is that the energies are very, very 804 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,520 delicate with women, but they hate men. 805 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,240 So men would have scratches on them. 806 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,360 Women would just be, you know, just let the women pass. 807 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,680 And women are OK guys, they got some type of physical scratch or 808 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,680 something. So me and Dalen are in this 809 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000 investigation. So I'm telling them the history 810 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,600 because I've investigated this place like 5 or 6 times and I'm 811 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,480 telling the history and I'm telling them to be careful 812 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,200 because these energies might physically attack you. 813 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,480 And then he's like, they're not going to attack you. 814 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,840 And I'm like, they haven't so far. 815 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,400 And I think it's because I'm a woman. 816 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,120 They might like women. So he ended up getting like 817 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,840 these scratches all the way down his back, like very big 818 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,480 scratches all the way down his back when we did our when we did 819 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,640 our investigation. Wow. 820 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,440 Yeah. So, but no, personally, I 821 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,360 haven't had anyone any energy come to me and, you know, attack 822 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,120 my physicality. I think they're so attracted to 823 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,920 my aura, though. I think they're really, really 824 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,360 attracted to the presence of me. Not even just because I'm black 825 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,640 or a cute woman, just the I have a very, Yeah, just me, you know, 826 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,480 just me. Just as in as in, a blind spirit 827 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,600 would be like, oh, she's in. She's incredible. 828 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600 Like, I love this. She's just so biting. 829 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:57,080 My orange is so empathic, you know, so, But yeah, I haven't, I 830 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,080 haven't had that situation. Before unfortunately I have, but 831 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,240 then again where I'm at, I mean I've got so much race, racially 832 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:09,840 fuelled stuff and so much like where I'm at in general about 833 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,960 appearance and about you know, how much money you have and all 834 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,400 that. Like it's a one of those types 835 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,480 of areas. So what was your Well, do you 836 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,720 get scared at all when you're out here doing this? 837 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,200 I I have gotten scared. So then what was your what would 838 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,640 be your like your like your oh shit moment like, you know, like 839 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800 a. Yeah, there's, there's been 840 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,360 several investigations that I've turned turned down because I do 841 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,120 the history, I research any place before I go into it and 842 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,720 I've researched the debt. Now anybody that's going through 843 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,840 something, I require them to send me something to 844 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,040 substantiate their their experiences. 845 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,480 So there was one place, this big gigantic house in Independence, 846 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,160 MO, and it was, I walked up to the front door and my neck 847 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,040 started burning. I hadn't even made it all the 848 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,120 way in the house. So one of the things that I, I 849 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,840 heard that they did the energies would do is physically assault 850 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,600 you, scratch you, touch you. And I got to the front door, 851 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,520 hadn't even made it inside the house and I had three welts all 852 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,280 crossed and it went all the way down. 853 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,120 It was burning so bad. I, I can only imagine if I had a 854 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,840 walked inside that house, what, what they would have done to me. 855 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,320 So there's some investigation that I've turned down because of 856 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360 the severity of what they were experiencing. 857 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:38,640 And you know, sometimes those energies can assault you and 858 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,400 attach themselves to you. So I, I was like, no, I can't do 859 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,320 this. There was another investigation. 860 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,320 I turned, I turned down. It was actually I, I completed a 861 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,360 partial amount of the investigation only because I 862 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,280 felt like they were really dealing with something. 863 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,560 And it was in, it was in South Carolina, the house that was 864 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,880 owned by William Mccorcoy is a Confederate soldier. 865 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,480 And this house I'm, I go to the front foyer, I'm talking to the 866 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,080 homeowners and this blue inferno of fire runs from the floor 867 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,680 straight through the ceiling. So I'm like, OK, what the fudge 868 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,920 was that? And then they're like, you know, 869 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,320 we go through this all the time. This is this is something that 870 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,920 happened so, so much. So like I said, when those those 871 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,720 Poltergeist movies, Condre movies going through that stuff. 872 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,120 Oh yeah. Oh, definitely. 873 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,640 Oh yeah. But yeah, I did a partial 874 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,080 investigation. I couldn't go through with the 875 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,160 whole thing because it was just way too heavy energy there. 876 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,160 So I sometimes I have to decide what's worth it and what's not. 877 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,040 I've gone into investigation, set up equipment by myself if I 878 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440 think the location doesn't require a big team. 879 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,680 But most of the time I have people that go with me. 880 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,240 So I'm I'll just have my equipment. 881 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,880 Have you ever, have you ever come across an investigation 882 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,720 that you, you know, like that made you sit back and go, wow, 883 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,880 this is what I was going through. 884 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,440 This is like it. It almost mirrors like what was 885 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,400 happening to me and my family. Yes, I've come across several of 886 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,640 those investigations, several investigations. 887 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,800 It was the location in San Antonio in Texas and what they 888 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,000 were and they were a black family and what they were 889 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,560 experiencing because they found me, they found my profile. 890 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,760 They were looking for black paranormal investigators that 891 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,720 they wanted somebody Black. Then they found me. 892 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:42,800 So I drove down there and what they were going through was the 893 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,000 very similar to what my family went through. 894 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,760 And me sharing that with them and also doing the 895 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800 investigation, it just brought them Peace of Mind. 896 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,560 But it was so interesting because you know, you have the 897 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,400 father who's very strong willed, very strong willed, just kind of 898 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,320 like whatever it's not happening or I don't want to believe it's 899 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,920 happening. And then you have this mother 900 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,480 that that's so docile and these children, and they had some 901 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,120 young children like 4 and they were so little and they were 902 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,360 going through things and it, it was so, it was such a, a 903 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,840 peaceful moment for me to be able to talk to them and just 904 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,720 say, Hey, you guys are not alone. 905 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,440 I've gone through this. What you're experiencing is 906 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,000 something that is common and you don't have to be afraid to face 907 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000 it. Like the husband was so 908 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,800 nonchalant. And I'm like, you know, my dad 909 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,960 was like that. You don't have to be afraid to 910 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,000 take, you know, taking the reality of what you're dealing 911 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,320 with. This isn't, this is normal. 912 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,240 You know, it's a different kind of normal, but it's normal and. 913 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,800 And that's another thing just getting people to understand 914 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,880 that energies around us are normal. 915 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,760 Strange is normal. We are taught to believe that 916 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,480 there are certain ways of life. Yeah. 917 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,480 We're taught that anything outside of the order of life is 918 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,520 puts you in a category of psychotic episodes or. 919 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:08,080 Very true, very true. And it's like if you turn on 920 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,440 that other sense in your mind, 'cause we have so many different 921 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,320 sensories that we're not told to use and we've been trained to go 922 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,600 against. If you activate these other 923 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,480 sensories in your mind, you will be able to see energies a lot 924 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,640 stronger or even have, you know, telepathic communications with 925 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,000 these energies. But we're trained to not believe 926 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200 that these are other sensories we can use to build a bridge to 927 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,200 what is actually known. Marie, tell tell me about 928 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,760 Supernatural sisters, what you're starting there. 929 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,680 So again, you know, I appreciate you guys reaching out because 930 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,600 this is a taboo thing when it comes to black women being in 931 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,200 the industry. So I found three other black 932 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,520 women and one is more in the Gothic style, 1 is more of a 933 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,640 medium and then one is another investigator. 934 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,600 So I found them and we all had a meeting and I was like, listen, 935 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,040 we don't see us on these these these shows. 936 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,000 We don't see these black women. I'm in the forefront of these 937 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,400 paranormal investigations. There's so many shows out there, 938 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120 but you don't see black women. So I said, what do you guys 939 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,800 think? If we do something different, if 940 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,000 I brought you ladies together, since we all recognize each 941 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,520 other and try to do paranormal investigations as a unit and use 942 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,760 all of our strengths. So I came up with the idea of 943 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,840 supernatural sisters SISTAS 'cause there is a sisters, but 944 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,120 it's 2 white women that that operate that, but you don't you 945 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,280 don't see a black show with black women. 946 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,560 So they agreed and we had a meeting about it. 947 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600 And so we're going to start rolling out doing investigations 948 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,360 the beginning of the year all over the place. 949 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,400 That's I, I thought for sure. I thought when I read it at 950 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,320 first it was like, 'cause I know you had a big family. 951 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,360 Like it was actually you got your family involved. 952 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,560 Yeah, yeah. My, my three sisters were 953 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,760 supposed to be a part of it, but they're not experienced in doing 954 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,280 investigations. And their little tenant were 955 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,520 being exposed. Now the other 3 ladies that I 956 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,760 found, I said they're in the industry of paranormal research. 957 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640 They're, they're actively investigating. 958 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,400 So I want to connect with people who are actively doing it. 959 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,760 So my sisters, they're believers. 960 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,480 We all went through our experiences, but they weren't 961 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,000 strong enough to want to be on the front screen. 962 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,880 Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So when did when did that? 963 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,200 When is that going to start? That is going to start in April 964 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,680 of this 2026. We're going to start doing our 965 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,400 first investigation. So we're going to have a team of 966 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,400 people and the way that we're going to do it is it's going to 967 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,760 be more of a confessional style. You ever seen those? 968 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,120 They go to the confessional and they're like, I'm not going up 969 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,120 here. Nope, not doing it. 970 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,400 No. It's going to have a little bit 971 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,000 of comedy, but it's also going to have the reality of what 972 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,760 people are going through. We're going to go to well known 973 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,440 locations. Right. 974 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,600 That's awesome. OK, keep going. 975 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,640 Sorry, I didn't mean. No, you're good. 976 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,120 You're good. We're going to go to well known 977 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,320 locations that people are familiar with, but we're also 978 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,400 going to go tap into my world and we're going to go to regular 979 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,320 people's houses in regular location. 980 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,680 What do you hope the audience, especially women and girls of 981 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,920 color, take away from it? If they watch it, OK, look at us 982 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:20,360 as as unique superheroes, unique and like, like, like unique 983 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,760 paranormal black female superheroes that are courageous 984 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,160 and confident and not afraid to live in their truth and that are 985 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,280 OK with tapping into an element where they may be judged, but 986 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,320 they're strong enough to deal with the judgement and keep 987 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,760 going. That's what I really hope to get 988 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,440 from that. Marie, if someone listening 989 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,400 feels called to investigate the paranormal but does not see 990 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,640 themselves represented, what would you tell them? 991 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,840 And when you say represented. Like if they're, you know, 992 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,880 whether they're, you know, I don't see a lot of Asian faces 993 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,680 out there either, right? Like what would you tell 994 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,320 somebody who went through what you went through when you 995 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,880 started this? What would be your advice to 996 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,120 them that they don't feel represented to to get out there 997 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,800 and and disrupt what is, you know, this sort of the 998 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,880 perception of this genre and this space? 999 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:24,120 Yeah, I would tell them it's it's scary because you're 1000 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,240 tapping into something that you know you may or may not be 1001 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:32,120 accepted in, but do not turn your back on yourself and your 1002 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,400 truth. And if you feel like you want to 1003 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,720 express what you've been going through and you want to Share 1004 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:45,640 your story, share it and don't worry about people's perception 1005 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,280 of you because you can get caught up in that and you get 1006 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,760 stranded there. So take that version of your 1007 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,160 truth and share it with the world. 1008 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,840 And even if you don't do it on the platform that is going to 1009 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,400 expand beyond just, you know, the, the normal surface area. 1010 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,600 You may not be a bit, you know, you may not go into 1011 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,480 investigation, but you might want to Share your story and 1012 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,000 write a book about it. Or, you know, you might want to 1013 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,120 write some movie scripts about it or maybe some short fails to 1014 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,360 tell your story in a different capacity. 1015 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,680 You may not be going into houses and doing investigations, but 1016 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,920 you may be able to share the elements of what you've been 1017 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,760 through in a different in a different way. 1018 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,800 So there's so many ways to tell a story. 1019 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,200 So tell your story in the way that you're most confident with 1020 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,760 and the way that you're most comfortable with, and just don't 1021 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,000 turn your back on yourself. It's great advice, Marie. 1022 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,520 Tell. Tell everybody where they can 1023 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,920 find you. Oh so Ghost Link TVI have a 1024 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,480 website coming up where I'll be posting. 1025 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,000 A lot of my content is Ghost Link productions.com and you can 1026 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,680 find me on Instagram at Spiritual Gatekeeper, Paranormal 1027 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:03,120 Impact or Ghost Link TV. Same for Facebook Ghost Link TV. 1028 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,760 Same for Snapchat Ghost Link TV. Just search Ghost Link TV and I 1029 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,360 Papa. Ghost link TV or spiritual 1030 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,360 gatekeeper. Those are the two sides, two 1031 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,240 sides. You got two books out. 1032 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,800 They can find those on Amazon. And we'll put we're going to put 1033 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,280 all this in the link in our bio in my link tree. 1034 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,920 That'll be up there by tomorrow. Marie Jackson, everybody listen, 1035 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,440 I, I can't thank you enough for doing it. 1036 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,080 It's really great. You're wonderful. 1037 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,200 Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing. 1038 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,960 You know everything you know just that you know your 1039 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,960 experiences and, and and all that. 1040 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,200 It was awesome to hear. Yeah, it's really great. 1041 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,680 And I'm sorry, my Wi-Fi goes out. 1042 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,880 This is what happens live for some reason. 1043 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,000 It's a. OK. 1044 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:50,240 And all flowing I can in post. It'll it'll in post, I'll fix 1045 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,720 it. I'll fix it in post. 1046 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,360 Magic, the magic of editing. It'll be sick. 1047 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,360 Magic of the Internet? Oh yeah. 1048 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,320 It'll sound so. Listen, if you ever find 1049 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,840 yourself in New York, let's do a collab because I think that 1050 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,440 would be awesome. I can do some cool not well 1051 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,440 known places so. That's. 1052 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,880 My thing too. That's my thing too. 1053 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,600 I go to these not well known places and just document. 1054 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,800 You know, yes. Nice to meet you guys. 1055 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,160 Take care. Pleasure to meet you. 1056 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,120 It was a pleasure. Thank you. 1057 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,800 Yeah, she's fun, man. Oh yeah, she's awesome. 1058 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,240 I love finding people like that. Yeah, dude. 1059 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,880 And you can you know what it just just the way it's great 1060 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,920 when we get a guest that everything she is talking about. 1061 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,240 I can relate to my documentation. 1062 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,240 As a black woman, as a young black woman, you can. 1063 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,240 Relate, I said, Well, not even because listen, Dada's Dada is 1064 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,200 Dada. Dada doesn't give all what what 1065 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,440 color you are, you know. No, I know I'm kidding. 1066 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,600 Or your gender. So it's great. 1067 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,760 It's great. I I, that's I could I could have 1068 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,120 listened to her speak for a whole nother hour on. 1069 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,360 I know we'll we'll, we'll have. Her back on after her show. 1070 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,800 Yeah, yeah. We'll get her back on, I bet, 1071 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,360 after her show airs and we'll talk about, you know, it's like 1072 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,240 see what, see if anything's changed with her, just her 1073 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,440 perspective on things and what she's learned. 1074 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,840 Because, you know, what I really liked is I like the fact that 1075 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,800 she's learning and she admits it. 1076 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,000 She admits that she's learning about, about what this these 1077 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000 spirits are and what that data represents and all that stuff. 1078 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,480 You know, it's kind of it's really cool. 1079 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,800 It's really cool. I mean, it's fun. 1080 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,880 It's fun. I love I mean, this is the part 1081 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,760 of this whole podcast that I'm enjoying quite a bit is finding 1082 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,640 these people from all over the country that I never would have 1083 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,080 spoken to ever, not yet ever. And I mean, it's funny how like, 1084 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800 you know, it's about ghosts that binds, you know, that connects 1085 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,160 people, you know, in a weird. Way of it, you know. 1086 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,560 And in a fun way, too. And it's really interesting, I 1087 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,600 hope. Well, let's see, you know, we 1088 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,400 guys, we have it when we have. Yeah, man, for sure. 1089 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,520 When we have a guest, we don't really get into the chat. 1090 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,760 But I don't know guys, what do you think? 1091 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,160 What do you think of Marie Jackson? 1092 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,120 I'll be able to do this chat soon my friends, soon. 1093 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,280 Let's see if anybody lets you let me scroll back up. 1094 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:26,240 A lot of people like her. She's very pretty guy. 1095 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,920 She's more than just looks. Don't objectify her. 1096 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,400 Yeah. You know, I mean, come on, what 1097 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:43,040 do you have to say? Let's see she's the right idea. 1098 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,880 She still wants to look. Yeah. 1099 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,760 Like, I mean, they're all a lot of our chats. 1100 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,960 Like, they all know each other. So they're all saying they all 1101 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,400 talk to each other. It's like real life. 1102 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,600 Oh, hey, man. Like we're all like, it's like 1103 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,600 almost like they're at some house party or some shit, which 1104 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,200 is kind of which is nice. Darcy, if you didn't catch your 1105 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,080 follow tags, I will put those in the link tree. 1106 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:12,440 My bio go to link TV and spirit and spiritual gatekeeper. 1107 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,120 And those are going to be I'm going to have those posted up in 1108 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,960 the link tree, my bio within the within the hour or so. 1109 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,640 So don't worry about it if you follow Splintered Spirits. 1110 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,640 If you're watching this on Santa Paranormal on YouTube, be sure 1111 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,360 to give us a like share and follow over on Splintered 1112 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,680 Spirits. Be sure to follow us wherever 1113 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,840 podcasts are available. She's great. 1114 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,680 Lover, lover. She's interesting. 1115 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,520 She doesn't blow smoke up your ass. 1116 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,560 These are all the comments that are coming in. 1117 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,800 Yeah. She's very pretty. 1118 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,760 Yep. Yeah. 1119 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,560 Man, that doesn't hurt either. I got to tell you, I like having 1120 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,880 guests that are easy on the ass. Yeah, but yeah, she's very 1121 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,680 smart. She's very self aware, like in 1122 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,920 terms of, you know, she's passionate about this man. 1123 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,480 I guess if you grow up like getting thrown in the air, I 1124 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,160 guess if you grow up, get thrown in the air by ghost bro, I guess 1125 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,600 you have no choice. But listen, you have two 1126 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,760 choices. You get to fall into a hole, or 1127 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,120 you can go out and start like investigating and maybe make a 1128 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,560 buck out of it, you know, and start to make a career out of 1129 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,600 it. Listen, I started saying this in 1130 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,240 the beginning of of of the stream. 1131 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,280 You know, I, I, I like, I couldn't, I have an idea of what 1132 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,360 she goes through, you know, for being a person of color and 1133 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,760 being in the paranormal world just from the amount of shit 1134 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,640 that is posted on my videos and comments saying that I'm doing 1135 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,520 white people shit. Oh, he's doing white people 1136 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,440 shit. It is one of the most common 1137 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,000 things that are said, one of the most common things. 1138 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,960 So I can only imagine what she's dealt with over the years 1139 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,320 getting into the paranormal. I can only imagine. 1140 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,160 I mean, it's and from and, you know, from her own neighborhood, 1141 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,920 you know, in her own community too, which is a bummer. 1142 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,360 But look, you know. She doesn't seem to be it's it's 1143 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,920 awesome. Her family supportive of it 1144 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,880 though, That's awesome. That's good, yeah. 1145 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,720 She's got that. Right. 1146 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,640 She has somebody, yeah, she has somebody around here that can 1147 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,720 that can hold her up. You know what I mean? 1148 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,360 Because that gets tough, man. That was great. 1149 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,600 Great episode, hope everybody enjoyed it. 1150 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640 I love this. I hope everybody enjoyed it 1151 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,000 guys. Thank you so much for tuning 1152 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,040 into splintered spirits live on a Thursday. 1153 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,960 So again, wait, this week we had lawn aura, the Beck Ravenwood 1154 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,360 episode, the witch who fights back on Tuesday, James Anito, 1155 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,120 the demonologist, our first demonologist. 1156 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,760 I want to get some more demonologist in here. 1157 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,840 It's a it's a really interesting world because it's just 1158 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,560 everybody just thinks it's a demon. 1159 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,040 You know, I'd love to get, as we paint this tapestry of what 1160 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,240 spirits are, figuring out, what that looks like and, you know, 1161 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,040 from different angles, even on that side of things, you know, 1162 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,840 that religious side of things. And we're taking Christmas off. 1163 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,760 There will not be alive on Christmas. 1164 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,800 Or maybe there will be. I don't know. 1165 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,520 I haven't decided. You don't know, I don't know. 1166 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,040 I don't know if Santa's going to deliver a little gift for the 1167 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,720 people. I don't know, it might happen. 1168 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,800 You know, it might happen. We got a lot of more, a lot more 1169 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,400 fun stuff coming in the new year, guys. 1170 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,280 So be sure to like, share and follow. 1171 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,840 Like, share and subscribe. You don't want to miss the stuff 1172 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,120 that's coming up. And John, happy Thursday, Robin. 1173 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,320 You're the best. Robin Brewer. 1174 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,320 Thanks. I never missed an episode. 1175 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,920 Why can't you all be more like Robin? 1176 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,280 Yeah, be like guys. Be like Robin, guys, Be like 1177 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,520 Robin never misses an episode. No, no. 1178 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,800 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't not, not 1179 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,960 especially with all the guests we're getting on and all the 1180 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,400 different angles. She's on the nice. 1181 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,000 She's on the nice list, dude. Robin's on the nice list you 1182 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,520 know she might be on. The well, though, it's, it's, 1183 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,840 it's, it's, it's, it's, there's two lists. 1184 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,760 There's two naughty lists, you know, there's the one where you 1185 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,760 get spanked and the one you don't get spanked on. 1186 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,360 So depending on what you like, is what you get. 1187 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,000 Don't can. Don't cancel us. 1188 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,560 Don't cancel. Us don't cancel. 1189 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,360 Us don't cancel Sparky's No. No, no, no. 1190 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,840 It's I guess, yeah. Don't be like Robin. 1191 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,960 Yeah, be like Robin. Never miss an episode. 1192 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,520 It's a good. It's a good, you know, it's 1193 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,880 going to get you through life. Yeah, for entertainment purposes 1194 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,320 only. Yeah, for entertainment purposes 1195 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,440 only. For real. 1196 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,000 That's it. That's all just a just a dash of 1197 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,640 entertainments. We should put that sign and we 1198 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,600 should make signs and put them in front of every church. 1199 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,520 It is Christmas time. Put it right underneath the 1200 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,120 Manger. You know, you know, you know 1201 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,520 who's upset about this right now? 1202 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,600 Your grandmother. Oh, I know. 1203 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,520 I know. You're going to hear about this 1204 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,600 one. Sorry, Grandpa. 1205 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,680 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 1206 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,040 Your son might. Be for entertainment purposes 1207 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,480 only I'm. A little sorry. 1208 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,000 It's so great. All right, Josh, time to split 1209 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,760 everybody. Thank you so much everybody 1210 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,520 watching. All right, man. 1211 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,280 Have a safer night tonight. I know it's warm and you're out 1212 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,160 and about. Be safe, stay curious and we 1213 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,120 will see you next time. Bye everybody. 1214 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960 Later. Well, that's it for another 1215 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,080 episode of Splintered Spirits. Be sure to like, share, and 1216 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,240 subscribe to our YouTube channel, Spotify, or wherever 1217 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,920 you get your podcasts. Until next time, stay curious.