It's great when we get a guest that everything she is talking
about I can relate to my documentation.
As a black woman, as a young black woman, you can relate.
Welcome, John, you are live. Go.
What's up? What is going on the?
Good people, can you hear me OK? I hear you.
I get a lot of complaints that I'm like not loud and loud or
something in the. Maybe you need to project
project from the diaphragm. Give me some bulk of lessons.
Maybe that's it. Maybe that's it.
You sound fine to me. That sounds fine, right?
And then I don't know why it's sometimes I couldn't get on
Insta today. So we are just on YouTube and
Facebook. So welcome everyone.
Welcome, welcome, welcome. There's always something.
Always something. All right, we're getting some
people coming in as we warm the crowd, as we warm the crowd up.
And warm them up. Get them all butted up.
Butter, butter, butter. Butter, butter.
How you doing, man? Hey.
So it's a, it's a warm 45° here right now.
Oh, fancy. And by midnight it's going to be
50°. That's that is warm for where
you're at. I am very excited.
Yeah. But I but I finally get to, you
know, stretch my legs and go out there.
I feel like I've been kept in a cage.
A cage I enjoy though, you know. Yeah, what?
What are you? Are you going to go out tonight?
I am going to go out tonight. I just can't tell the good
people where. No, no, you can't tell these
people. Want to be a nice surprise?
Plus it's also, it's dangerous. You get crazies.
It's like you can't do it, can't do it.
You've got to, you've got to be John.
You've got to take, you know, you got to watch out.
You got the many fans, the crazy fans.
Crazy ones. The crazy ones you got to worry
about. All right, dude, so we are a
week from Christmas. We've had a lot going on and we
have a guest today for the good people.
Yeah. So just talking about what's
aired and what is airing before we get to our guest who is in
the lobby right now. We just dropped our Beck
episode. Beck Ravenswood from Hanover, PA
who is fighting the law. Yep, and rightfully so.
Guys, if you haven't seen that episode or watching another
story, check it out. She is a she's a small business
owner in Hanover, PA. She owns like a witch shop, a
spiritual shop. She gives tower card readings
and a cop walked in and threatened to to arrest her if
she if anybody ever complained for because.
Of an 18 it's so funny, babe for for.
An 1861 law it's insane it's. Just showed you how backwards
things are in many many places. I mean, it's like they've got
nothing better to do over there and they're going to like bust
their chops, right? You know what I mean?
Bust their chops. Sorry, They're going to bust
Beck's chops over this. And like, I don't know, dude,
find something to do. Leave this person alone.
And she but she decided to take the fight to them.
It's like that's not cool and it's wild.
And we're keeping tabs on that story.
I think it's the coolest thing ever.
She's going to be fighting. She's going to be fighting that
fight for such a long time. I know maybe they'll eventually
just change the law before it's done, but.
Unless somebody progressive gets in there, that's like, hey, you
know what? How about, how about it's not
about being progressive, How about just having a little
someone with common sense gets in there and saying like, give
me a break. You know, that's the thing too.
You know what's common sense? Again.
Well, here's what's funny, dude. This is the this is the thing.
And I don't want to keep our guests waiting too long, but I
do want to touch this subject. Anybody in this profession that
is a Wiccan or a witch or gives tarot card readings or psychic
mediums has to qualify their work and say for entertainment
purposes only. And they have to do that so they
don't get sued by the imbeciles who were like, well, you told me
I was going to be this. It's like, you know, they have
to protect themselves. It's just because of laws like
this. And you know what's really
funny? The Catholic Church doesn't have
to save for entertainment purposes only.
You know, there's no other religion has to say for
entertainment purposes only, right?
Can't go suing the Vatican for no one's answering my prayers
today, right? But for some reason, very true,
right? For some reason, we've got it.
Like everybody else said, they're they're lying.
They're the ones they're the ones who who could pretend are
out to take your money for I'll gotten gains, right?
But not the, but not the church, John, not the church.
They're all good. They're all, they're benevolent.
All these, all these, all these evangelists and all these
televangelists and these mega churches, They're all like, you
know, they're not for entertainment purposes only.
No, of course not. They're legit.
Anyway, let me tell you about our oh, and then Tuesday, before
I forget, I did an interview with demonologist James Anito.
So it's kind of a fun one. He's got some great stories
about his adventures. But let me get to our guest, our
guest today, ladies and gentlemen.
We got Marie Jackson joining the podcast.
All right. Marie is a paranormal
investigator, filmmaker, author, and founder of Ghost Link
Productions. With more than 100
investigations across haunted homes, historic sites, high
activity locations, Marie brings lived experience and emotional
truth to everything she creates. She's the creator and host of
Paranormal Impact, a platform known for blending real
encounters with healing, community, and cultural insight.
As an African American woman working in a space that has not
always been inclusive, Marie is also reshaping who gets to tell
paranormal stories and how these stories are told.
And dude, I, I don't know about you, man, but it's like, I have
not seen, I can't think of it. I'm not found or seen a lot of
African American or people of color in this space.
So I'm very excited. Avra.
Well, I mean, there's, you know, there's, there's, there's a lot
of, there's a lot of things for that.
You know, there's a lot of reasons for that.
Well, sure. Well, you know, right, Well,
whatever. It's hard for us to say, but for
Toby, documentaries or upcoming series Supernatural Sisters, I
think. I think that's with her actual
family. We'll find out more about it.
Her work pushes the genre forward with honesty,
representation and heart. Let us join Marie Jackson to the
pod. There's Marie.
Are you with us? Hello.
You are muted. Let me unmute you.
Does that matter? Oh, there you are.
There you go. Hello.
Welcome. Thank you.
Thank you for. Having you for joining us.
Marie, where are you? Where does this podcast find you
today? It finds me in the beautiful
Midwest Kansas City, MO. Kansas City.
So Marie, it's we talked about this a little over e-mail
because I'm just very excited to have you on the on the podcast,
honestly. Thank you.
John and I are, I don't know, these two middle-aged white
goombas that are doing this thing in the ghost space and we
want to build this community and find more people that are sort
of shaking it up a bit and disruptors of it.
And I don't see a lot of people of color, you know, in, in the
space. I mean, yes, there were the of
course there are, you know, and I've seen the the ghost brothers
on it and all that. But for the most part, it's
dudes and it's white dudes and black T-shirts with their arms
crossed. Yeah.
When did you first, So when did you first realize, you know,
that, you know, when did you first come across the
paranormal? Give me a little back story.
Let's give the good people like tell us your your history a
little bit. Well, you know, I first came
across the paranormal. This book back here that says 10
Feet Under is actually my book. And it's about my childhood and
what we went through being black family, living in a somewhat
suburban area and going through all these paranormal experiences
that we could not talk about. And it's here in Kansas City.
So that was my first encounter with the paranormal, but we
could not speak on it because it was taboo in our community to
talk about these things. In the black community or just
in your neighborhood or? Just in the black community, if
we spoke anything outside of strength, power, integrity, we
were labeled immediately labeled having some type of psychotic
issues or psychiatric problems, or you're not, you're not
abiding by your faith and religion the way you need to.
So there were so many stigma surrounding it.
And on top of that, my father, the house we lived in, it was
me, six other siblings and my mom and dad.
My father was. Six other siblings.
Yeah, we there's actually nine of us now.
But in that house, yeah, I got a big family.
All right, and where do you fall?
Wait, wait, where do you fall? On the line?
So where are you now? Four older, 4 younger.
Wow, you're dude, you're smack down in the middle.
Yeah. All right.
OK. Yeah, So, you know, haven't gone
through that and they haven't internalized all of that stuff.
As an adult growing up, still wondering, OK, what the hell
happened to us? What we what did we go through?
Was this real? Or was this some stuff that we
just imagined were children and just never actually talked about
as an adult but we were sworn? Tell me a story.
Tell. Tell us a story, Maria.
Like what happened? What was like one of the first
thing you experienced? So we we moved on up, we moved
on the South side of Kansas City.
And that was in the 80s. It was back in 88.
So I was 4 then. And in this area, we were the
only black family in the neighborhood.
Everybody else, you know, was white.
We were the only black family. So when we moved into this area,
my dad had this egotistical mindset, you know, like, you
know, we're in this new town. We're the only black people.
We got to keep up a standard. So moving into this house, day
one we noticed something was wrong with this house and the
the personal experiences that I had the day that I moved in, I
was playing with some toys and one of my toys just took off and
just levitated in the air. So me being 4 not really knowing
a lot about ghost and paranormal and things of that nature, I
didn't really look into it that heavy but things just kept
happening. So there was two days in my
mom's putting groceries away in the kitchen and then like this
it sound like a train went through our house and it was so
bad, so loud, so disturbing that my mom and I ran into the
kitchen and all of the dishes and everything was all over the
floor. Everything was completely
broken. Food was everywhere, everything
was all over the place. So there were several things
that just started happening, random things that started
happening. So as time went on, my dad tried
to dismiss it and put it on us as if we were the ones making
all of these really strange moves in the house because he
didn't want to take it. He didn't want to look at it and
take it seriously. He wanted to be dismissive of it
because he was a real strong willed guy, you know, he was a
man. What did he do for a living?
My dad was a cab driver and yeah, he was a cab driver and he
was a hustler, kind of. Race track.
But. This was all coming from this
wasn't just you, right? Like this was this was also your
your mom now and your other siblings, correct?
My mom, my other siblings and my father, we all experienced
something in that house, but again, we were not allowed to
speak. So things kept getting worse.
It got so bad to where have you ever seen the movie Poltergeist?
That stuff is real and that's very similar to what we were
going through. So imagine not being able to
tell anybody that your your brother got levitated in the air
and tossed across the room and not being able to speak on it.
So we stayed in this house for a couple years and my mom was very
docile and she was very submissive to my father's
orders. So she never challenged him.
She never went against what he said was the way that the
directing of the direction of the home.
So one time it got so bad to where the school started
contacting us because they thought my parents were beating
on us because we would go to school with scratches and scars.
Like I have a scar right here from one of the energies
levitated me off the bed and tossed me into the wall.
And then I hit my head on the Tonka truck.
So it started getting so bad to where my mom was like, we can't
stay here. We can't.
So we eventually end up leaving the house and we were told we
cannot talk about it with anybody.
So we never talked about it. My dad died in 2016.
So when he died, I felt like, let me get with my family and
see what they think and see if they remember all of these
things that we went through or if I was just imagining it.
So we had a meeting, my mom and my siblings, and we all sat down
and we started talking about what we were going, what we went
through, and we all corroborated each other's stories.
And then we actually started sharing what happened.
And it was so relieving for us to actually talk about it and
not feel like we were not not able to give breathing room for
us to express ourselves and to really talk about what the
depths of what we went through. So after that, I was like, I
need to find more out about this house.
I need to know if anybody else went through this.
So I started doing research on the House.
And the house is owned by a property management company.
So I went back to the home and just kind of started knocking on
doors and I went to the property, met some of the
current tenants. And then as I started doing more
research on the home, I realized that there was so many people
that were going through something very similar to what
we went through. So it was relieving to know that
what we went through wasn't some crap that we just made-up in our
mind. It was so it was so relieving
that others were able to corroborate.
There's there's so many people that live in that house that are
still standing in the original home ranch style.
And we're not talking about a big Victorian house like most
people think these haunted houses are.
We're talking about 1000 square foot ranch style home on a slab
with no, no second level, no basement, just a ranch style
home with three bedrooms and a bathroom.
So you know it. And it's so funny 'cause people
always get this idea of what haunted is and I'm like, no, you
have no idea if that place was culture guys haunted.
So it. Was.
There's degrees. Is there like is it?
It's like, is it now? Is poltergeist haunted below
conjuring haunted or above conjuring haunted or like
shining haunted? Like where?
What is your? How do you rank it?
It's a little below, below conjuring.
Conjuring was pretty intense, but it's definitely up there
like when you're seeing your siblings get drug across the
floor and you're flying in the air.
You know, when you're hearing disembodied voices and and
you're you're getting attacked not only just physically in the
presence of at any time of the day.
It didn't care what time of the day it was.
And then you're also having intense dreams.
It's it's it's, you know, borderline conjuring slash
poltergeist, the the movies that we actually watch very similar
to our experiences and some other people that went that
lived in the house. So now, you know, I gotten so
crazy about this house. I, I tried to talk to the
property management company because I'm like, I want to buy
this house. I want to buy it.
I want to preserve it. I'm immoralizing.
They will not. They will not.
What is that like though, Marie? Is that like Stockholm syndrome
or something? Like what made you want to love
to stay in this house or or you know what or and then what made
you what made you start investigating tons of other
locations? When did you make that turn for
yourself? Yeah, and that's so interesting.
So in that same area that my my old house is on, there was other
things I started remembering about some of the neighbors,
like the neighbor that sat right behind us, they had a lot of
religious artifacts all over their yard, like in their
windows, they would have crosses and praying Marys everywhere.
So I went to that house and I just kind of started knocking
and I spoke to during the time when we lived in our house, the
mother lived in that house so that she gave the house to her
daughter. So the daughter decided to tell
me about everything that she was going through and the stuff that
they would report that was happening to them when they were
little kids. So she let me come do an
investigation in her house. And I was so, oh God, the things
that we saw in that home, the dark shadows, the dark energies,
faucets and stuff just coming on by themselves.
It was so interesting. She told the neighbor on the
same block because the other neighbor in that same areas was
having very similar issues. So I started investigating that
block by itself. So when they found out about me,
'cause I had started investigating so many houses in
that strip and learning about paranormal.
And as I'm going through it, I started doing it in 2016 when I
really researched it when my dad died.
So I started learning about paranormal and equipment devices
so I could teach myself how to investigate and inspect these
houses. So as the time went on, I'm just
doing this 'cause I needed the closure.
Somebody on that block is related to somebody that works
at the news station. So she reaches out to me and I
end up doing an interview. And then I got put on the front
cover of Pitch Weekly because of some of the investigations I did
on that block. So after I got put on the cover
of Pitch Weekly, it was an influx of people that reached
out to me in Missouri. They were contacting me, people
of my color, my, my demographic. They were reaching out to me
because they're like, Oh my God, a black girl, this is good, this
is great. I could tell you about my story
and I don't have to feel in, you know, ashamed or embarrassed or
timid to talk about it. So I kind of was the poster
child for the black community and the paranormal.
So I started doing more investigations.
I've done over 200 plus investigations.
And when I tell you guys, these investigations are just in
people's regular homes, not in these big commercials locations
that they post all over the Internet in people's private
homes. I got to the point now where I
have to pre screen my investigations and I'll do
preliminary investigations 'cause people hit me up so much.
I end up getting on television and radio stations started
reaching out to me and it just, it was just expanding so far.
And I all I was just trying to do was give myself closure.
I don't, I end up just tapping into industry that was just not
heavily populated with people that look like me.
So I felt like at this point, I had an obligation to keep going.
I had an obligation to keep doing investigations, to keep
relating to people who look like me and then, you know, continue
to bring them closure in their lives.
So it just, it just kept going from there.
And it's been a really, really interesting journey to the point
where I. Yeah.
No, no, so, no, no. So Marie, what when you're on
these investigations and you're, and you're dealing with, so it
sounds like you're dealing with predominantly African Americans
that are calling you, right? Like 'cause they don't know who
else to call and they're calling you with their in your, in your
area, right, predominantly in Kansas City.
So what have you, what can I ask all of our guests is So what
with all of these investigations, what do you
think these hauntings are? What do you think spirits are?
You know, I, I actually give these energies and identity, I
don't call them spirits, I don't call them ghosts.
I call them energies because in essentially that's just what
they are. And I try to stay away from the
religious association of describing them because it gets
a little, gets a little blurred. So when I'm doing my
investigations, I classify them as energies from grade level 1
to a level 4, which would be considered the four would be
more of a demonic energy, one would be more of the grandma
ghost. Some, you know, an energy that
you know is present, but not manipulative or possess the
essence of wanting to harm you. So in the area that I lived in,
the research that I did and I, I can't give you too much of it
because I put this information in my second book, in my second
memoir. But in the area that I lived in,
there is a lot of history in that land and a lot of things
that were done ritual, ritualistic wise, that summoned
a lot of these existing energies, these considerable
demonic energies to this entire area.
And you know, like I said, people give their own
identification based on their religious denomination.
They they associate it based on, you know, what their faith is,
but it All in all, it's energy and it's recycle and they're
recycling. Do you think do you find them to
be? What happened here?
Did I? Sorry I just got this techno
warning. When we go live, sometimes we
get a little tech issue. I should be back.
Froze. OK, he'll be back.
So have you found? Yeah.
When we go live, sometimes it gets, it gets a little wacky,
but it's, it's fine. Have you found you know when
when you talk about these energies, do you feel that they
are emotional imprints or conscious entities, or is it
something else entirely? It's, it's still a compelling
research I'm doing on these because there is no definitive
explanation for their overall existence.
There's so many, there's so many layers of these energies and the
reasoning why and reasoning how they come to be.
For example, there are some energies that attach themselves
to objects and some that don't. You know, why is that?
Why does this one attach itself to this object?
And this one is more of a lingering energy that just wants
to be acknowledged. I've learned that a lot of
energies that have a very strong presence tend to be summoned
from rituals and, and, and what they would consider demonic,
demonic rituals like satanic rituals and things like that.
When they're being summoned. And then they tend to be a
little bit more active because there's a collective compound of
energies that are being summoned together and they're doing,
they're more disturbing than say an energy that's more attached
to an object. Why they have these, these
attachments, why they have these excessive existence and, and why
their beings are so disruptive and present.
It's, it's still a compound. It's a compound of information.
I'm still researching. There are times.
I like that answer. I like that answer that you
don't have anything you don't know, you know where it's it's
not so definitive. We've talked to many people and
some people are like, this is what it is and it's nice to
hear. It's like, man, I don't know
what it is. And that's that's.
Really the truth, you know, we, we can't say, oh, this one is,
is, is here because of this or just because you died in a
house. Oh, that's got to be my
grandmother because my grandmother died.
It's not that case. I did an investigation recently
in Oklahoma and I found that the energies, the the husband and
wife, the wife's home, she lived in with her husband who died in
the house and then the hus, the new husband moved into the
house. So they were having all these
energy disruptions and she believed it to be her husband.
So as I started digging a little bit further and researching a
lot more about their, their, their home and the history of
the land and just the history of a lot of things that they did
it, I came to find out that I'm like, there is way more than
just one energy here. And this energy, 'cause I can
feel the vibrations of the energies, I could tell you if
it's a female, potentially if it's a male, I said these, these
energies are not just associated with your husband, These are
stronger. So then I found out that the new
husband was playing with Ouija boards and the energies were
attached to him. So whenever he would come home,
the energies kind of erupted a lot stronger because his
presence was there. So the wife is associating with
with her death of her husband. And I'm like, Nah, this is
deeper than that. This is more than one energy.
There's a lot of dark energies and and shadows in your house.
And that's indicative to multiple energies here.
So how they? Get are they hoping that are
they hoping that you get rid of these energies is.
That what they want. I'm an investigator.
I'm not a Ghostbuster, OK? I'm not going there.
I'm not going to your house. I'm not taking one of those bags
and I'm not taking it with me. I'm there to I'm there to
corroborate what you're experiencing so you don't think
you're crazy. So you have a Peace of Mind.
You know, I am going through something.
This is not something of a figment of my imagination.
So. But yeah, most of the time they
think that I'm going to come and I'm going to do some kind of
ritual and I'm going to sage and I'm going to clear it out for
you. I'm going to take it with me.
No, I'm not here for that. And I have to explain that very
thoroughly in the beginning, 'cause that's what they're,
that's the impression they're getting.
Do you think, you know, that these paranormal experiences are
sort of interpreted or filtered differently because, you know,
depending on the culture and depending on your culture, like
what do they and do you go in and have to like and read, teach
and teach or how do you explain it?
Are they all coming at you like this is a demon or is it very
religious? And then you're like, it's not
at all religious Or how do you and how do you balance that?
Yeah. So one thing that I had to do is
try to not give myself a defendant religious association
to everything that they might be experiencing.
However, I tell everybody, you know, wherever your religious
faith is, stand behind that, whatever you believe in.
And I had to take it upon myself to research these religions so I
can understand potentially what it is that they practice and
what it is that they believe in. So I've, I've read so many
books. I mean, I've read, I'm not into
demonology or any of that or anything like that, but I've
read the books. I read the What did you?
Read what? What did you read?
What are your go TOS? Who are your teachers?
My there's a book, I don't know the name of the author, but
it's, it's called the Dictionary of Demons and it tells you the
definitions of specific names and a specific demonic
association, specific ritualistic practices, and it
gives me an idea of what that person might be experiencing
based on that, that association. Not all the time is that the
case? And then there's another book.
I'm bad with authors names, but I'm great with titles.
There's there's another book called I have read so many books
it is called The Teachings of the New Age.
I can't remember. I think his name is Robert Hamm
and he teaches you about all the different religions, what they
believe in, what their ritualistic practices are.
And it tells you what you might be walking into when you're
dealing with somebody who religiously thinks like this or
what they might be actually practicing in their home or in
their lifestyle. So I, I research and I educate
myself before I go into anything.
And one of my big things is I got to know your history.
I got to know you psychologically.
I got to know you as far as from a religious aspect.
I got to understand where your mind is because sometimes the
element of the mind and the way that they practice things can be
conducive to how strong the energies are in their house.
They could either be attaching themselves stronger or just
making themselves more present and active, depending on what
you guys are doing. Because there's, there's a lot
of people who don't realize, OK, these energies exist, but you're
either going to make them stronger or are you going to
they're just going to exist in a weaker version depend on what
you do. There is a family here in Kansas
City that would go downstairs in their basement and they have one
of those six point stars. And they would, they would do
their religious meditative practices as they called it.
But they weren't realizing that they were inviting energies into
their orbit and into their aura. And they were becoming stronger
and stronger because of this religious thing that they done
that they would do. So I I try to educate myself
before I walk into any interesting situation.
Now you're, you started a production company, you're a
storyteller. You're, you know, and you're
right. How are you trying to tell the
stories of what you're experiencing and of African
Americans in the paranormal differently than what we've
seen, if at all? How is that?
Is there a difference in the way you tell these stories or not?
There's not a difference the way that I the way that I do them is
I doing them from an organic stance.
I let the I have a podcast called Paranormal Impact that
I'm developing. So I have I have people, this is
actually my studio. So some people will come here
and then they'll say and we'll do an interview.
So what I'll do with them is I say be organically.
You don't feel like you have to sound scripted.
Don't feel like you have to add more layers to what you're
experiencing because you think about what people are going to
say or how they're going to respond to you.
Just be yourself. If you talk with a list or you
talk slang, I want you to be 100% you because this is going
to be a relatable moment for somebody else.
So I get them to be organically themselves.
And then that gives them one, the comfort level they need to
share their story, but also the ability for other people like
them to share their story as well and not feel like they have
to put on this, this face to, to, to do that.
So, but the storylines and the way that people share their
stories, I, I use the same strategic, just a strategic
interview set up. I don't.
I don't alter it one way or the other because you're black or
you're white. I just interview you and let you
be who you are and share what you've been through.
Do you feel like you've hit any walls or barriers being an
African American woman in this space or?
I did. I have really.
I have and, and there's still things that I'm filtering
through just even having gotten as far as I have, I, I had to
deal with the, the ridicule and the judgment from my African
American community and everybody outside, all my counterparts
were very supportive and they're very intrigued and interested in
this thing that I'm this investigation investigative
journey. But the black people were so
hard to get through to. So I had to be labeled.
I was labeled, I was scrutinized, I was drugged,
judged. And that was the, the biggest
attack on my career with the investigation is the judgement
from people that I was trying to get engaged and make feel like,
make them feel as if, you know what I'm dealing with.
I don't have to be afraid to talk about it anymore.
So as I've, as I've gone through the journey of it during
investigations, you know, it's still intriguing to a lot of
people because one, I'm considered a very beautiful
black woman, which I think I am. And they don't see, thank you.
They don't see me in that industry, let alone.
I would just go, first of all, you're just a beautiful woman,
you know #1. Well, well, Gary, what she's
going through is what I see in my comment section all the time
on social media. White people shit.
Literally, literally that. Oh, he's doing white people
shit. So I can only imagine what I, I
and I maybe in a little bit. I'd love to hear a little bit
about that if you're open to talk about it, because that's.
I'm open. You're open.
Love it. Yeah.
You know, they would always say, oh, you're doing that white
people shit. Shit, yeah, White.
People. Shit.
Yeah. White people don't do that, You
know. You, you are.
Do you believe in God? That's one thing that I've
always been told You don't believe in God, girl.
You, you into this satanic stuff.
You must be into voodoo. You must be into witchery.
And I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm just a regular person that
happens to be black. That is had experiences that I
decided I wanted to share with the world.
And you know, I'm not associated with any type of demonic
ritualistic practice just because I decided to look at
things differently than other people in my community.
It has been so hard and there's been, I have now I've been
getting a lot more support from black people, but because now
it's like I'm not going to change the optics in, in who I
am to appease your insecurities. I'm not changing it.
And I felt like at one point I had to dumb down my
investigative research to make people feel comfortable for my
demographic. And I said, you know what?
No 'cause the only way that things are going to change is if
you acknowledge that they need to change and you can be
consistent in that change. So I just stayed consistent.
But it I I've had more ridicule from black people than any other
race. Now when it comes to proving
myself, I feel like I have to work 10 times harder to prove
myself one, because I'm a black female and this is not a
dominated industry by black people.
So I have to work twice as hard to make myself visible because,
you know, it's predominantly dominated by Caucasian white
men. And, you know, now the Caucasian
women are starting to become more visible, which I'm happy
about that 'cause this was predominantly a male dominated
feel. And then now we're starting to
see a lot more color that's coming to the surface.
You'll. Usually only see, you usually
only see like a group, A-Team of four dudes and like one chick.
And then there's like or, and we had we found one, we highlighted
a group not far from you, John, that Full moon paranormal where
it was a, a team of four women, you know, that that were
involved. But you know, but but yeah,
you're right. I mean even women just in
general, they're usually one on a team.
You know. As opposed or or they're on
their. Own take away everything that we
were just talking about. You are one of the very few
people that are still going into people's homes 'cause in this in
this field now it's all these outdoor locations or as you put
it, these monster, you know, these, these these famously
haunted big establishments. You know, that's all you ever
see. So that's awesome too by the.
Way, yeah. And I, I had to 'cause I said
this, we had a basic regular ranch style house.
How many of these people are going into these average looking
houses, investigating them? They're not doing it.
They're not. They're not.
They're going to commercial locations, locations that are so
well known and predominantly commercialized.
They're not going into these houses where people are really
having these issues. So I've gone into Barber shops,
beauty shops, schools, radio station, television station.
We got Fox News here in Kansas City.
I went and did an investigation in in the boiler room downstairs
in there. I'm going into places people
don't typically frequent. I have an investigation coming
up at a recording studio where they go record music.
They reached out to me and they're like, we got some stuff
going on. Yes, I will be there.
Awesome. You know, 'cause these things
are just not, they don't typically investigate these
things. And this is a reality.
We are going through something that is a lot stronger than what
people are willing to be to admit.
And, and it's not always in this prepackaged image.
Yeah. And these people are, are, are
dealing with these things. I, I, I investigated people's
personal apartments. You know, there was a whole
floor in an apartment complex that I investigated here in
Kansas City, and they were, you know, having paranormal energy
disturbances, so. They got to get you on Bagan's
guys to get you on his house calls show.
I need to, you know, for when they're in that part of the
country for sure, right? Oh my God, so.
Right, Marie, so you're, you're, you touched on this a little
bit, but your books, so you wrote two books, 10 feet Under
and 10 Feet above, which are personal, right?
They're about to explore trauma and spiritual awakening.
How do you feel that that those types of things are connected to
paranormal sensitivity, if at all?
I think, I think that when a person has a certain level of
trauma or a certain level of exposures in their life, it can
raise the energy levels and, and the attachments to these
energies. Or, you know, it just depends.
I tell people, you know, be as strong as you can in your mind
because the stronger you are, the more stronger you are
against whatever it is you're trying to face.
But if you have this weak vessel and you have the weak mindset,
you become a, a, a, a vessel that's easy to penetrate.
So so I I say it's mind over matter.
It's all mind over matter. It's all about that intent.
Yeah, it really is, because there's a family that was
dealing with some things and I'm like, they're not going
anywhere. So you guys are going to have to
strengthen your mind and how you want to deal with them and have
some kind of relatability to them because they're not leaving
this house. They were here before you came.
So it's up to you if you decide you want to stay here and these
are the conditions that you're going to stay in.
So the traumas and the experiences and then, you know,
person's life exposures definitely have some type of
influence on how strong these energies are in their life.
Got it. Have you seen investigations
where you know they'll become moments of healing at all for
these people or, you know, either for the living or for the
spirits? I know you said you're not a
Ghostbuster, but has it ever just happened by you being there
helping them and then they they have called you back and said I
don't know what you did, but yeah.
It's you know, you know. That Peace of Mind sort of
healed it for them or something. Peace of Mind.
It's the Peace of Mind and knowing that they're not alone
in what they're experiencing that people want.
Sometimes they just want to know that somebody cares enough about
what they're experiencing in that way they're experiencing,
whether they can change it or not.
They're not. They're not, you know, living in
the state of living in that state of mind by themselves.
So when these people like 11 investigation I had, it was a
young lady I went to school with and I went to her house.
I documented the conditions and the findings.
And you know, she she called me back.
She was like, I just want to tell you, I don't know what you
did, but I'm able to live here with them and I'm not as afraid
as I used to be. And you know, like I said, mind
over matter. You have to be stronger than
what it is, especially if you want to stay here.
They're not gone anywhere. So, you know, and I said,
whatever it is you believe in, use it.
If you like to say it's your house and you feel like that's
going to be something that can calm them, I said my calm them.
It's not going to get rid of them.
Just remember that. So if you want to calm these
energies and this is how you you, you typically handle things
from a religious standpoint, then live heavily in your faith,
live heavily in that, and then build a bridge to these energies
because. Some of the energies, like I
said, I consider one through 121 energy, one through 2 more of a
grandma style energy, which is what she was dealing with.
Sometimes they just want to exist.
Sometimes these energies may have existed, existed in the
farm very similar to ours. They just want to be
acknowledged. So if you go downstairs in your
house, you know, these energies are there and you like, hey,
y'all, I'm coming down here just to let you know, don't do
anything too weird, you know, talk to him.
Just state your state, your dominance over them.
So that way you're not living in this mindset of fear.
And then maybe they're able to relate to you in a different
energy capacity. Wow.
Let let let me tell you something.
It's just, again, it's just awesome to have you on and
awesome here in this, you know, perspective.
And have you ever, have you ever came across any spirits that
obviously, you know, said something about your appearance?
You know, 'cause for example, I, I mean, First off, I've dealt
with tons of racist spirits and it's, and it's, it's the worst
when you're alive because they straight up, they can get me
banned, right? So that's, that's the worst for
me anyway, 'cause my, my stuff gets banned.
But they, they call me and they talk about my weight.
You know, they call me fat all the time.
I deal with a bunch of stuff, you know, or just, you know,
being a woman in general. I I hear a lot of women in this
field say that sometimes they feel, you know, almost like the
spirits going after them because they are a woman.
Yeah, that's funny. No, I have never been had a
spirit attack my physicality, but that's pretty funny that you
mentioned that. It is pretty funny, by the way.
It's funny. It is funny when they do it to
me and it really is so. I, I did an investigation with
one of the ghost brothers, Dalen Spratt.
He's, he's one of the ghost brothers and we did an
investigation at the Sally house.
I don't know if you guys have ever heard of that location.
Is it? And we were there and apparently
the history of this house is that the energies are very, very
delicate with women, but they hate men.
So men would have scratches on them.
Women would just be, you know, just let the women pass.
And women are OK guys, they got some type of physical scratch or
something. So me and Dalen are in this
investigation. So I'm telling them the history
because I've investigated this place like 5 or 6 times and I'm
telling the history and I'm telling them to be careful
because these energies might physically attack you.
And then he's like, they're not going to attack you.
And I'm like, they haven't so far.
And I think it's because I'm a woman.
They might like women. So he ended up getting like
these scratches all the way down his back, like very big
scratches all the way down his back when we did our when we did
our investigation. Wow.
Yeah. So, but no, personally, I
haven't had anyone any energy come to me and, you know, attack
my physicality. I think they're so attracted to
my aura, though. I think they're really, really
attracted to the presence of me. Not even just because I'm black
or a cute woman, just the I have a very, Yeah, just me, you know,
just me. Just as in as in, a blind spirit
would be like, oh, she's in. She's incredible.
Like, I love this. She's just so biting.
My orange is so empathic, you know, so, But yeah, I haven't, I
haven't had that situation. Before unfortunately I have, but
then again where I'm at, I mean I've got so much race, racially
fuelled stuff and so much like where I'm at in general about
appearance and about you know, how much money you have and all
that. Like it's a one of those types
of areas. So what was your Well, do you
get scared at all when you're out here doing this?
I I have gotten scared. So then what was your what would
be your like your like your oh shit moment like, you know, like
a. Yeah, there's, there's been
several investigations that I've turned turned down because I do
the history, I research any place before I go into it and
I've researched the debt. Now anybody that's going through
something, I require them to send me something to
substantiate their their experiences.
So there was one place, this big gigantic house in Independence,
MO, and it was, I walked up to the front door and my neck
started burning. I hadn't even made it all the
way in the house. So one of the things that I, I
heard that they did the energies would do is physically assault
you, scratch you, touch you. And I got to the front door,
hadn't even made it inside the house and I had three welts all
crossed and it went all the way down.
It was burning so bad. I, I can only imagine if I had a
walked inside that house, what, what they would have done to me.
So there's some investigation that I've turned down because of
the severity of what they were experiencing.
And you know, sometimes those energies can assault you and
attach themselves to you. So I, I was like, no, I can't do
this. There was another investigation.
I turned, I turned down. It was actually I, I completed a
partial amount of the investigation only because I
felt like they were really dealing with something.
And it was in, it was in South Carolina, the house that was
owned by William Mccorcoy is a Confederate soldier.
And this house I'm, I go to the front foyer, I'm talking to the
homeowners and this blue inferno of fire runs from the floor
straight through the ceiling. So I'm like, OK, what the fudge
was that? And then they're like, you know,
we go through this all the time. This is this is something that
happened so, so much. So like I said, when those those
Poltergeist movies, Condre movies going through that stuff.
Oh yeah. Oh, definitely.
Oh yeah. But yeah, I did a partial
investigation. I couldn't go through with the
whole thing because it was just way too heavy energy there.
So I sometimes I have to decide what's worth it and what's not.
I've gone into investigation, set up equipment by myself if I
think the location doesn't require a big team.
But most of the time I have people that go with me.
So I'm I'll just have my equipment.
Have you ever, have you ever come across an investigation
that you, you know, like that made you sit back and go, wow,
this is what I was going through.
This is like it. It almost mirrors like what was
happening to me and my family. Yes, I've come across several of
those investigations, several investigations.
It was the location in San Antonio in Texas and what they
were and they were a black family and what they were
experiencing because they found me, they found my profile.
They were looking for black paranormal investigators that
they wanted somebody Black. Then they found me.
So I drove down there and what they were going through was the
very similar to what my family went through.
And me sharing that with them and also doing the
investigation, it just brought them Peace of Mind.
But it was so interesting because you know, you have the
father who's very strong willed, very strong willed, just kind of
like whatever it's not happening or I don't want to believe it's
happening. And then you have this mother
that that's so docile and these children, and they had some
young children like 4 and they were so little and they were
going through things and it, it was so, it was such a, a
peaceful moment for me to be able to talk to them and just
say, Hey, you guys are not alone.
I've gone through this. What you're experiencing is
something that is common and you don't have to be afraid to face
it. Like the husband was so
nonchalant. And I'm like, you know, my dad
was like that. You don't have to be afraid to
take, you know, taking the reality of what you're dealing
with. This isn't, this is normal.
You know, it's a different kind of normal, but it's normal and.
And that's another thing just getting people to understand
that energies around us are normal.
Strange is normal. We are taught to believe that
there are certain ways of life. Yeah.
We're taught that anything outside of the order of life is
puts you in a category of psychotic episodes or.
Very true, very true. And it's like if you turn on
that other sense in your mind, 'cause we have so many different
sensories that we're not told to use and we've been trained to go
against. If you activate these other
sensories in your mind, you will be able to see energies a lot
stronger or even have, you know, telepathic communications with
these energies. But we're trained to not believe
that these are other sensories we can use to build a bridge to
what is actually known. Marie, tell tell me about
Supernatural sisters, what you're starting there.
So again, you know, I appreciate you guys reaching out because
this is a taboo thing when it comes to black women being in
the industry. So I found three other black
women and one is more in the Gothic style, 1 is more of a
medium and then one is another investigator.
So I found them and we all had a meeting and I was like, listen,
we don't see us on these these these shows.
We don't see these black women. I'm in the forefront of these
paranormal investigations. There's so many shows out there,
but you don't see black women. So I said, what do you guys
think? If we do something different, if
I brought you ladies together, since we all recognize each
other and try to do paranormal investigations as a unit and use
all of our strengths. So I came up with the idea of
supernatural sisters SISTAS 'cause there is a sisters, but
it's 2 white women that that operate that, but you don't you
don't see a black show with black women.
So they agreed and we had a meeting about it.
And so we're going to start rolling out doing investigations
the beginning of the year all over the place.
That's I, I thought for sure. I thought when I read it at
first it was like, 'cause I know you had a big family.
Like it was actually you got your family involved.
Yeah, yeah. My, my three sisters were
supposed to be a part of it, but they're not experienced in doing
investigations. And their little tenant were
being exposed. Now the other 3 ladies that I
found, I said they're in the industry of paranormal research.
They're, they're actively investigating.
So I want to connect with people who are actively doing it.
So my sisters, they're believers.
We all went through our experiences, but they weren't
strong enough to want to be on the front screen.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So when did when did that?
When is that going to start? That is going to start in April
of this 2026. We're going to start doing our
first investigation. So we're going to have a team of
people and the way that we're going to do it is it's going to
be more of a confessional style. You ever seen those?
They go to the confessional and they're like, I'm not going up
here. Nope, not doing it.
No. It's going to have a little bit
of comedy, but it's also going to have the reality of what
people are going through. We're going to go to well known
locations. Right.
That's awesome. OK, keep going.
Sorry, I didn't mean. No, you're good.
You're good. We're going to go to well known
locations that people are familiar with, but we're also
going to go tap into my world and we're going to go to regular
people's houses in regular location.
What do you hope the audience, especially women and girls of
color, take away from it? If they watch it, OK, look at us
as as unique superheroes, unique and like, like, like unique
paranormal black female superheroes that are courageous
and confident and not afraid to live in their truth and that are
OK with tapping into an element where they may be judged, but
they're strong enough to deal with the judgement and keep
going. That's what I really hope to get
from that. Marie, if someone listening
feels called to investigate the paranormal but does not see
themselves represented, what would you tell them?
And when you say represented. Like if they're, you know,
whether they're, you know, I don't see a lot of Asian faces
out there either, right? Like what would you tell
somebody who went through what you went through when you
started this? What would be your advice to
them that they don't feel represented to to get out there
and and disrupt what is, you know, this sort of the
perception of this genre and this space?
Yeah, I would tell them it's it's scary because you're
tapping into something that you know you may or may not be
accepted in, but do not turn your back on yourself and your
truth. And if you feel like you want to
express what you've been going through and you want to Share
your story, share it and don't worry about people's perception
of you because you can get caught up in that and you get
stranded there. So take that version of your
truth and share it with the world.
And even if you don't do it on the platform that is going to
expand beyond just, you know, the, the normal surface area.
You may not be a bit, you know, you may not go into
investigation, but you might want to Share your story and
write a book about it. Or, you know, you might want to
write some movie scripts about it or maybe some short fails to
tell your story in a different capacity.
You may not be going into houses and doing investigations, but
you may be able to share the elements of what you've been
through in a different in a different way.
So there's so many ways to tell a story.
So tell your story in the way that you're most confident with
and the way that you're most comfortable with, and just don't
turn your back on yourself. It's great advice, Marie.
Tell. Tell everybody where they can
find you. Oh so Ghost Link TVI have a
website coming up where I'll be posting.
A lot of my content is Ghost Link productions.com and you can
find me on Instagram at Spiritual Gatekeeper, Paranormal
Impact or Ghost Link TV. Same for Facebook Ghost Link TV.
Same for Snapchat Ghost Link TV. Just search Ghost Link TV and I
Papa. Ghost link TV or spiritual
gatekeeper. Those are the two sides, two
sides. You got two books out.
They can find those on Amazon. And we'll put we're going to put
all this in the link in our bio in my link tree.
That'll be up there by tomorrow. Marie Jackson, everybody listen,
I, I can't thank you enough for doing it.
It's really great. You're wonderful.
Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing.
You know everything you know just that you know your
experiences and, and and all that.
It was awesome to hear. Yeah, it's really great.
And I'm sorry, my Wi-Fi goes out.
This is what happens live for some reason.
It's a. OK.
And all flowing I can in post. It'll it'll in post, I'll fix
it. I'll fix it in post.
Magic, the magic of editing. It'll be sick.
Magic of the Internet? Oh yeah.
It'll sound so. Listen, if you ever find
yourself in New York, let's do a collab because I think that
would be awesome. I can do some cool not well
known places so. That's.
My thing too. That's my thing too.
I go to these not well known places and just document.
You know, yes. Nice to meet you guys.
Take care. Pleasure to meet you.
It was a pleasure. Thank you.
Yeah, she's fun, man. Oh yeah, she's awesome.
I love finding people like that. Yeah, dude.
And you can you know what it just just the way it's great
when we get a guest that everything she is talking about.
I can relate to my documentation.
As a black woman, as a young black woman, you can.
Relate, I said, Well, not even because listen, Dada's Dada is
Dada. Dada doesn't give all what what
color you are, you know. No, I know I'm kidding.
Or your gender. So it's great.
It's great. I I, that's I could I could have
listened to her speak for a whole nother hour on.
I know we'll we'll, we'll have. Her back on after her show.
Yeah, yeah. We'll get her back on, I bet,
after her show airs and we'll talk about, you know, it's like
see what, see if anything's changed with her, just her
perspective on things and what she's learned.
Because, you know, what I really liked is I like the fact that
she's learning and she admits it.
She admits that she's learning about, about what this these
spirits are and what that data represents and all that stuff.
You know, it's kind of it's really cool.
It's really cool. I mean, it's fun.
It's fun. I love I mean, this is the part
of this whole podcast that I'm enjoying quite a bit is finding
these people from all over the country that I never would have
spoken to ever, not yet ever. And I mean, it's funny how like,
you know, it's about ghosts that binds, you know, that connects
people, you know, in a weird. Way of it, you know.
And in a fun way, too. And it's really interesting, I
hope. Well, let's see, you know, we
guys, we have it when we have. Yeah, man, for sure.
When we have a guest, we don't really get into the chat.
But I don't know guys, what do you think?
What do you think of Marie Jackson?
I'll be able to do this chat soon my friends, soon.
Let's see if anybody lets you let me scroll back up.
A lot of people like her. She's very pretty guy.
She's more than just looks. Don't objectify her.
Yeah. You know, I mean, come on, what
do you have to say? Let's see she's the right idea.
She still wants to look. Yeah.
Like, I mean, they're all a lot of our chats.
Like, they all know each other. So they're all saying they all
talk to each other. It's like real life.
Oh, hey, man. Like we're all like, it's like
almost like they're at some house party or some shit, which
is kind of which is nice. Darcy, if you didn't catch your
follow tags, I will put those in the link tree.
My bio go to link TV and spirit and spiritual gatekeeper.
And those are going to be I'm going to have those posted up in
the link tree, my bio within the within the hour or so.
So don't worry about it if you follow Splintered Spirits.
If you're watching this on Santa Paranormal on YouTube, be sure
to give us a like share and follow over on Splintered
Spirits. Be sure to follow us wherever
podcasts are available. She's great.
Lover, lover. She's interesting.
She doesn't blow smoke up your ass.
These are all the comments that are coming in.
Yeah. She's very pretty.
Yep. Yeah.
Man, that doesn't hurt either. I got to tell you, I like having
guests that are easy on the ass. Yeah, but yeah, she's very
smart. She's very self aware, like in
terms of, you know, she's passionate about this man.
I guess if you grow up like getting thrown in the air, I
guess if you grow up, get thrown in the air by ghost bro, I guess
you have no choice. But listen, you have two
choices. You get to fall into a hole, or
you can go out and start like investigating and maybe make a
buck out of it, you know, and start to make a career out of
it. Listen, I started saying this in
the beginning of of of the stream.
You know, I, I, I like, I couldn't, I have an idea of what
she goes through, you know, for being a person of color and
being in the paranormal world just from the amount of shit
that is posted on my videos and comments saying that I'm doing
white people shit. Oh, he's doing white people
shit. It is one of the most common
things that are said, one of the most common things.
So I can only imagine what she's dealt with over the years
getting into the paranormal. I can only imagine.
I mean, it's and from and, you know, from her own neighborhood,
you know, in her own community too, which is a bummer.
But look, you know. She doesn't seem to be it's it's
awesome. Her family supportive of it
though, That's awesome. That's good, yeah.
She's got that. Right.
She has somebody, yeah, she has somebody around here that can
that can hold her up. You know what I mean?
Because that gets tough, man. That was great.
Great episode, hope everybody enjoyed it.
I love this. I hope everybody enjoyed it
guys. Thank you so much for tuning
into splintered spirits live on a Thursday.
So again, wait, this week we had lawn aura, the Beck Ravenwood
episode, the witch who fights back on Tuesday, James Anito,
the demonologist, our first demonologist.
I want to get some more demonologist in here.
It's a it's a really interesting world because it's just
everybody just thinks it's a demon.
You know, I'd love to get, as we paint this tapestry of what
spirits are, figuring out, what that looks like and, you know,
from different angles, even on that side of things, you know,
that religious side of things. And we're taking Christmas off.
There will not be alive on Christmas.
Or maybe there will be. I don't know.
I haven't decided. You don't know, I don't know.
I don't know if Santa's going to deliver a little gift for the
people. I don't know, it might happen.
You know, it might happen. We got a lot of more, a lot more
fun stuff coming in the new year, guys.
So be sure to like, share and follow.
Like, share and subscribe. You don't want to miss the stuff
that's coming up. And John, happy Thursday, Robin.
You're the best. Robin Brewer.
Thanks. I never missed an episode.
Why can't you all be more like Robin?
Yeah, be like guys. Be like Robin, guys, Be like
Robin never misses an episode. No, no.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't not, not
especially with all the guests we're getting on and all the
different angles. She's on the nice.
She's on the nice list, dude. Robin's on the nice list you
know she might be on. The well, though, it's, it's,
it's, it's, it's, it's, there's two lists.
There's two naughty lists, you know, there's the one where you
get spanked and the one you don't get spanked on.
So depending on what you like, is what you get.
Don't can. Don't cancel us.
Don't cancel. Us don't cancel.
Us don't cancel Sparky's No. No, no, no.
It's I guess, yeah. Don't be like Robin.
Yeah, be like Robin. Never miss an episode.
It's a good. It's a good, you know, it's
going to get you through life. Yeah, for entertainment purposes
only. Yeah, for entertainment purposes
only. For real.
That's it. That's all just a just a dash of
entertainments. We should put that sign and we
should make signs and put them in front of every church.
It is Christmas time. Put it right underneath the
Manger. You know, you know, you know
who's upset about this right now?
Your grandmother. Oh, I know.
I know. You're going to hear about this
one. Sorry, Grandpa.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Your son might. Be for entertainment purposes
only I'm. A little sorry.
It's so great. All right, Josh, time to split
everybody. Thank you so much everybody
watching. All right, man.
Have a safer night tonight. I know it's warm and you're out
and about. Be safe, stay curious and we
will see you next time. Bye everybody.
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