Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and
my nephew Johnny, where I follow Johnny as he tries to prove his
theory that ghosts are the fractured memories of the living
once they pass on. In this episode, we brought back
Kathy Nadal, a medium with the Forever Family Foundation, to
give Johnny a reading. Let me be clear, these episodes
may have dropped weeks apart, but we recorded them within days
of my meeting with Kathy. Johnny has three years worth of
Tik Toks, hundreds of videos online.
I don't believe she could have gone through them all in that
time. And she certainly hasn't
followed Johnny and watched the thousands of hours of live
broadcasts he's done over the years.
That's what it would take in order to fake the things you're
about to hear today. Whatever Kathy's got, you can't
buy it. So let's dive into the
conversation. Kathy, thank you for joining us
here. You know, we apologize for
giving you the wrong address. And the fact that you found it
is already a testament to your abilities as a medium and a
psychic. We want to give Johnny a reading
today. We are trying to prove what
Johnny's theory on spirits are. And Johnny, why don't you tell
Kathy what you think spirits are?
So I have a series that that we are our memories essentially,
and when we die, because listen, I'm an atheist, I don't believe
in heaven, hell, any of that. However, I've spoken to too much
and I've seen too much to know that we don't go to black.
There's more out there and a lot more complicated than any of us
can even imagine. So I have a theory that we are
memory, then our memories scatter when we die, we no
longer have a vessel to contain ourselves.
They're gravitated to certain points in our history, certain
places, people. I do believe a percentage of our
energy does go to our loved ones.
I also believe we have a percentage of that generational
energy as well, those memories. So I believe, and what I've been
trying to do is prove that I can speak to these spirits, these
memories in in different locations.
And that's what we're doing here on this podcast.
OK. So Kathy, I'm going to sit back
and see what comes through when you give Johnny a reading.
Does that sound good? Yeah, so I'm going to give him
the a similar reading that I gave you, which is psychic
comedianship. All right, so thank you, Johnny,
for meeting with me. I just want you to know how I
work. I'm psychic.
I'm clairvoyant, which means I can see, and I'm clairaudient,
which means I can hear. That's how it works when I work
as a psychic, but it's also how I work when I work as a medium.
I either see spirit, hear spirit, or see and hear spirit.
Basically, before I do any work, I do a meditation.
So before I left my home today, I did a meditation in
preparation for this reading. So that's just how I work as I
start out. It's interesting because the way
I the way I work, I see things in symbols, but I also see
things like in video clips and sometimes I hear things that
sound like a recording, like someone actually talking to me.
So whatever information I give you, I'm just going to give it
to you, OK? It's interesting because even as
I was driving over here, I felt very, very much like I wanted to
talk to like the younger Johnny. I feel very much like, I want to
bring you up when you're like 10 years old, eleven years old, 12
years old. I feel very much tied to like,
sectioning off that aegis for you.
OK. And it was interesting.
As I was driving over here, I kept hearing a young voice, like
a young boy's voice. As I go back to this 1011 and 12
years, I also feel a little bit split.
I feel split with you because I feel like I want to go to
school, but I don't want to go to school.
And I feel split about it. And, and there's a little bit
more of this when you're more like 11 or 12 years old.
It's like you don't want to go anymore.
It's like I don't belong there. I don't need to be there.
I'm an adult already. Your mind was already going like
as an adult, as an adult. And the bigger piece of it is
that certain things that you saw like in the other kids, you
didn't feel like connected to them.
You felt like, I don't need to be here.
Like if someone said here's a job and you're 12 years old,
you'd be like, I'll take it. She's. 100% correct.
By the way, what everything she's.
Saying there's something about like, I don't want to be at
school, I don't like these kids and whatever.
There's also like someone with an L.
This feels almost like a lady with an Li.
Don't know if she's family but I do feel very much like an L
around with you. There's actually a few women
with an L name in Johnny's life, including his wife, his sister,
even some spirits. And you really should have
pursued artwork or drawing. You need to go back to that.
Do you understand what I mean by that?
I see a lot of artwork or drawing around you.
As far as art, not art like drawing art.
Now, this speaks directly to Johnny's theory of generational
memory, energy transference, or whatever you want to call it.
My sister, his mother, is an artist.
She still paints and makes things for sale but never really
took the opportunity to pursue it as her profession because she
got knocked up with this ghost whisperer.
OK. And pursuing other things.
I'm still seeing it as artwork. I keep seeing this thing and I
don't know what it connects to. Do you used to take the trains a
lot? Because I feel like I'm getting
on and getting off the trains. That's why I'm seeing the
feeding, I'm seeing greats. I feel like I'm standing on it
great and there's hot air coming up at me.
And there's a significance to you being on the trains.
There's more than that because I feel like you may have had a
spirit connection on a train or people on the train had spirit
activity around that. But when I go to, because I'm
asking questions constantly in my head, where does this come
from? They bring me to you traveling
on the trains. So you may have been around
spirit energy or activity at a younger age and may not have
been aware that it was happening.
But there's a lot of activity when you are on the trains, and
I think that's where you pick it up.
I believe in ghost activity or a ghost where some people say,
like, if you don't protect yourself, you could bring a
ghost home with you. OK.
I do believe that certain people feel that they could get
attachments and I do feel like your train activity is kind of
flavoring some of that where you may have been around ghost or
spirit activity on those trains. There is a historical connection
with you and it feels very much like I go back to like the Civil
War. There's a lot of like fighting
references around you, like you're in the Civil War or
people have bayonets on their rifles.
There's a lot of battleground in your background and that's why I
feel very strongly that even in your dreams you may feel
confrontational, but you're not sure why.
You may not even see the person you're fighting in a dream, but
you feel like you've been fighting in a dream.
I do also, and I believe in past lives.
I don't know if you do or not, it doesn't matter.
But you may have been a sheriff at one time because I keep
seeing a Gold Star, like wearing a Gold Star, you know, defender,
protector, all of that. And there's a flight or fight in
you that I think came on at a very early age.
Who's Mary Marie in the family? Nobody that I know.
I want to slap him right now because his grandmother, my
mother's name is Anne Marie. However, what do you feel when
you feel Mary? There's, I have a woman on the
other side. Oh.
Well, my mother's not dead. Mary, Mary, Mary and she's
pointing to you. There's three women in spirit
that connect with you. The one that knows you in living
life though, and I have to say she feels family to me.
That's why I keep wanting to call her like a grandmother
person. The other person keeps pointing
at you and saying Mary, Mary, Mary and I don't know what she's
doing with that. There's someone with a name like
Phil Bill. I mean Bill as in like William,
yes, but not family. Is this like a significant
person in your life? Well, you have a lot of contact
with that. In my living life, that makes
sense. If these were normal
circumstances, it makes no sense.
Keep going. Whatever I get.
Yeah, keep going. Just.
Scan everything I've given you so far.
I do, and then I'll get into why.
And Gary, this is going to blow your mind.
OK, All right, keep going. So as I give you information,
you know, I feel very, I have a cold as I do this reading, but
my voice is off. But I feel extremely short of
breath when I'm connecting to spirit.
So someone in Spirit had a very significant respiratory problem
where either that is what took their life or it's something
that you would know about. OK, whatever you got going on.
These ghosts that I call them because I think they're ghosts.
That's the way I see them. They are around you, they keep
company with you because some of the people that are ghosts,
they're very lonely people and they bring a lonely energy with
them and they're looking for company and that's why I feel
like they come to you. You have a very welcoming
energy. There it is, a certified medium
just stated that there are in fact spirits around Johnny.
We still don't know what those spirits are, but we do have a
corroborating witness. And I feel like they find
company with you. Some guy looks like a janitor to
me. I don't know if he has a wrench
in his hand or he's got he's got something metal in his hand and
he looks like a janitor or he looks like a plumber, but he's
carrying something metal in his hand.
And I feel like you would say I heard tapping or metal pipes
tapping, but there's a distinct metal sound that he he could
make or he could make the sound metal sounding because he's this
plumber or this janitor man. Do you know the man I'm talking
about? I do know the man you're talking
about. What do you feel from him?
So I feel like he's a little bit lost.
He wasn't too happy with his life.
He felt like he was stuck in a rush and I feel like he was
misunderstood. I feel very odd when he talks
about himself, he says he's like, not a smart guy or people
said I wasn't a smart guy and he just felt like people rolled
over. I was just about, I was stopping
myself from saying, do you feel that he's been taken advantage
of? It's amazing though, because
what he just showed me is, you know, when you see like when
somebody says, you know, a cartoon, when somebody says
splat and they show this thing, splat, I am cartoon.
That's what he showed me. Like the arms and the legs
splat. That's wild.
There's. Also a spirit that's like a
peeping Tom or something, but I feel like they play with the
blinds or they're trying to look through the blinds.
Wow. Like a peeping Tom.
It's a weird feeling. I don't think they're doing it.
My voice is so bad. Would.
You like some water? I'll have a water.
She's talking about the spirit across the street.
She's the window's right there. That's what she's talking about
right now. And the one she brought up
before, we'll get into that because that's a big one.
So all right, may I, may I speak?
I think I just want to go a little bit.
Further, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Please do. There's like a name, Lucille or
Lucy. OK, Lucille.
Yeah. I don't know what that's
connected to, but I just see it and it's very interesting
because did you ever play the game of chess not?
You know, not really. I know how to play.
I just. Never know for playing chess in
real life. Who would you know that plays
chess? Nobody.
I play chess. Oh.
Wow. I play chess all the time.
I play it all. The time.
Oh wow. Because it's.
Online all the time. Wow.
Yeah. No, I I don't.
None of my friends are that smart.
That's. Interesting that they just did
that, Gary, because they want to include you in.
This You could tell them to keep me the hell out of it.
That is wild. That is wild.
Wow, that is so interesting. They're kind of joking around.
Who made fun of a nativity scene or who would steal the three
wise men? Oh, what?
That that is something, isn't it?
That is something dude. That is something, yes, Gary,
that's something man, I remember back in in something that's
something there that is we would have to we would have to consult
with the. That is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mark that down because that's
something I remember something. About.
I just got chills about that, yeah.
And what is that happened all the time?
For those that don't speak New York, something ain't nothing
and it's a real thing. I remember exactly what it was.
Tell me. Say it.
You want me to? Say it.
Yeah, Yeah, say it. Uncle John's room.
That's. It's Uncle John's room.
It's all the statues. He's right.
My mother kept this nativity scene that used to be my
grandmother's set up in my brother's room after he passed.
But to be clear, it was my room. Not everything was my big
brother's just because he would crash there after I moved out.
I guarantee it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's wild. No, there is definitely
something with the nativity. So Gary, there's more
information and I don't know why, but I think it's for you.
They want me to mention the actress that played the mother
on the Happy Days. Her name was like Marian in the
show. She had like red hair.
They want me to bring up that actress and they want me to
bring it up for you. So either you know Marian, you
know the actress, or there's a significance to like the mother
on happiest happy days. I met her once.
I actually did meet her. Princess Cruise Lines had a big
event that they invited us to for like, you know, the relaunch
of The Love Boat. OK.
All right. So this is definitely about you.
Great. They're trying to pull you into
this. I just tried Ron Howard's pool
table by accident once. I didn't mean to.
It's. Funny.
This is kind of interesting because they want to bring you
into this. Well, his light fixture above
the pool table, not the pool table itself.
It's kind of interesting, I have to say.
They keep showing me somebody laying down on like a roller and
sliding under a classic car like a Corvette.
It's like a mechanic that's laying on a roller and they
slide under the car to fix it. The car is not up on a lift and
they keep saying that's connected to you.
So do you know this mechanic person that's sliding under like
a classic car? Yeah, yes.
I mean, I know someone who would be working on classic cars.
OK. My brother was a mechanic and a
big refurbisher. Classic cars.
I think he remade a 69 CUDA. Don't quote me on that because I
don't know shit about cars, but he loved them and could build
one from the tires up. I I am going to step away.
I'm going to go have a smoke over here by the fan.
I'm going to hand you something. Is that OK?
And I want you to tell me what you feel about it, OK?
If you if you put it in your hands and you don't want to hold
anymore, just throw it on the ground.
Is he going to hurt me? No, it won't hurt.
You, but I don't know if you feel, you know, I don't know
what's going to happen. OK, OK.
Well, John? You're not going to smoke around
her, right? She's got a cough.
Go smoke somewhere else. What's?
What I'm saying, I'm going to go to the vent fan.
I have a vent fan hooked up. Are you all right with that,
Kathy? Is that?
Yeah, no, I already, I already spoke to her about it.
So he handed me what looks like a noose.
It's like a piece of rope I was hanging on the wall.
I was looking at it before. I don't know, you know, to be
honest, I keep getting the horse reference when I'm holding.
Wild. OK, keep going.
That. That's awesome.
I just get the horse and I get like a feeling like somebody's
whipping the horse or something. But it I I get like this kind of
like a lot of energy and like it not like happy energy, like I
get like angry energy, like someone smacking the horse with
this thing or something. At the same time, though, it's
really weird. As I'm holding this, I get like
a totally unrelated, maybe related reference, but I see
like an old man, like a captain of a ship, like smoking a pipe
and looking through like a telescope.
I don't know if he's a sea captain or something.
It's very weird. Keep going.
That is just so weird. And I just feel like I'm looking
out at the seas. But he does give me like a very
like like I feel like I want to be on Cape Cod or something.
Like I don't. I just feel very much like I'm
on the water with him or I'm looking at the water.
So what? There's some kind of a feeling
of like wanting to like win a war or win a battle or something
because I feel like I'm in a parade and people are having a
parade, but I don't feel like we're celebrating.
But I don't feel like we should be like we didn't really win the
war. Somebody feels conflicted at
like a parade or like why are we celebrating?
Like we're still at war or something.
I don't know. It's weird, very weird.
I don't know. Can I put this down?
Just from holding that rope, you're saying?
Well, I'm, I'm still, I was still holding it.
So I see stuff all the time. So I don't know.
I mean, you can put anything in my hand.
If I see something, I say it, yeah.
No, that's awesome. Let's dive into everything that
she said, OK? Tell me what hit you, Johnny.
We are going to start with, Mary, when you were seeing, you
know, the feeling and then speaking about what you were
feeling and seeing and what not is at least in my opinion from
the data that you were giving me, was literally referencing my
documentation. You've been referencing spirits
that I have encountered here at this factory.
Mary was a we believe she was either a spindalist or a
seamstress. What the hell is a spindalist?
Unfortunate time here for a bit, but she worked here.
You brought up the man that slat.
Remember when you said slat? There was a man who worked here
for many, many years. He was taken advantage of
towards the end of his life. They stopped paying him and he
tried to break into the office and felt he was death.
And I thought that was and you said, you know, like with the
metal and him banging and whatnot, that's all.
He was a maintenance guy here. And that I thought that's why.
What's really interesting is when I handed you that noose and
you brought up the horse and you brought up all that, that noose.
Have you ever heard of Buck Out Buck Out Rd.
Yeah, we used to go there used. To go there as teenagers, OK,
well, I. Just my sister dated a guy that
had a Camaro and we were I was sitting in the back seat with
another kid and they would fly up and then they would turn the
lights out and we would scream and he was still driving in the
dark, which. Yeah, which is dangerous on.
That road and that's. No, that's no joke on that road.
That was the 80s. Oh yeah, So a lot.
Buck out has got a huge, huge history.
I mean, you brought up a war. You brought up the battle.
That's the battle of October 28th, 1776, the Battle of White
Plains. That's what caused George
Washington to lose and he had to retreat to New Jersey and they
lost New York and the British destroyed everything in this
area. And by Buck Out, that news is
from Buck Out. You brought up, you know, the
sadness and the anger and all that, which is why the horse,
which is why which it's so crazy that you kept bringing up the
horses too and whatnot. Have you ever heard of a Doula
Han? No.
So the spirits speak of a doula Han and what a doula Han is in
in in in Irish mythology. It's many different things, but
one way a doula Han can get created is through battle and
the person who's fighting loses their head.
And the spirits speak about a doula Han at Buck Out Rd.
As in a a horseback rider that lost his head and becomes this
creature. And funny enough, that's what
spawned the Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
Washington Irving got the Legend of Sleepy Hollow from Buck Out
Rd. It's a legend.
It's actually a real legend of Buck out not Sleepy Hollow.
Guys you know sleepy The legend of Sleepy Hollow is not a real
story. He took influences even the
characters are all influenced from real living people.
But so was the, the spirit, the, the, the Hessian soldier.
And that's how it got created. So that ties into my
documentation, basically everything that you were saying
that. And I understand why you would,
you know, you would get like, oh, it's, you know, it's the,
it's, it's for you, it's for you, you, you've been
referencing my documentation. Oh, wow, like throughout
everything you've been saying. So that's why.
And that's what I have been, I'm trying to hold it in, you know,
you're saying all these things and I'm like, she's literally
bringing up spirits that I have spoken to.
Now remember when you were talking about like the heaviness
of the chest and not being able, You brought it up right after
Mary. I got in contact with Mary doing
a spirit board. And whenever I connect with a
spirit board and it gets, and it gets heavy, I start to not being
able to breathe. I actually, I, I feel like
there's something pressing on my chest and I have to disconnect.
And that's what happened with with Mary when, you know, Mary
came through and told me all the horrible things that happened to
her. Oh.
Wow. So it was, yeah, like everything
that you were saying on that is just, it was just wild.
That's why and. Kathy, we got to ask.
I mean, were you sitting there studying his TikTok feed?
Were you looking at all these videos trying to memorize it in
the I don't know what day and 1/2 that we booked you for this?
Day I just joined TikTok today. In fact, I was not on TikTok
because I have a history of being in the military.
You're not allowed to be on TikTok.
There is everything that that that she brought up because
certain things I put on TikTok and then certain things I say
for, you know, later down the road and whatnot.
The documentation with the factory and half a buck out is
not on TikTok. The only way you would know the
information that you said is if you were actually watching my
feeds, and I mean constantly watching the streets.
But I also give you personal information about yourself being
a little boy and all of. That well, yes, yes, the whole
that, that was interesting because when it comes to
bullying and whatnot and forget about school, I wanted nothing
to do with school. I wanted nothing to do with
anybody around me. I always felt that I was not
superior but mentally more evolved.
But I said that. I said yeah.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Constantly. Oh yeah.
I was always wanted to venture off on my own.
I always wanted to do my own thing.
I'm still like that to this day. But I've always been that way.
And forget about school. I would not tolerate any sort of
bullying whatsoever. If I saw somebody getting picked
on, I put myself in the situation and I shouldn't have.
I didn't want to, but I wasn't going to allow what I was seeing
and hearing happening. You know, I had the power to do
something about it. So I did, you know, I took care
of it. So that was all that was also,
you know, accurate was getting to Dennis and all that.
I believe, and don't quote me on this, I have to ask management
here, but I believe Dennis is the guy who ran this place up
until he died a couple years ago.
He was the head management guy. And I also believe that he he
had, he did something else with management, but it had to do
with the Army and I think it had to do with like MPs and whatnot.
Oh wow, because this guy, Dennis the Menace is.
Which would have been in that thing, yeah.
You know, he was the veteran and he was also an MP.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
That's. Crazy.
So I believe that. I believe his name is Dennis.
I have to just double check with management.
Well actually when I go pay my rent the 1st of the month they
have a plaque with his name and I'll be able to that.
Would be interesting, but. That that really sounds
familiar. So it was like, it's also
interesting too, when you were holding the noose and you
brought up the captain. There's there's a couple
different burial grounds on Buck out.
One of them is a is a captain. His name is I believe it's John
Buck Out. Oh, really?
Yeah. And he was like a folk.
Yeah. And you can see fair.
Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. So it was just funny.
You literally you're literally holding the nurse of the noose
and you're literally just figuring out all these things
about buck out and I'm. Like that's amazing.
I'm like that's all just from old and that so when?
You play that back. It would be interesting because
he talked about being lost or about something to do with like
being lost like either. You know, it's interesting
enough. I have not yet spoken to one of
the buck outs except for Lucinda.
And you said that. You said Lucille, said Lucille,
but you also said it could be Lucy.
Lucille. Lucille, Yeah.
That I've spoken to her, but not at Buck Out Rd.
I cleaned graves and I cleaned the plots of the buck outs at a
local cemetery, not on Buck Out Road.
And 1 of it was most maybe in the past month and a half.
And one of them was Lucinda. All right.
Yeah. Which is interesting.
This is all right. So here's what's crazy to me,
Johnny. It's like Kathy's sitting here
talking to the spirits around you.
She's picking up on spirits from these other locations, but she's
picking them up here. Have you ever spoken to those
spirits from those locations? Well, at this location.
Well, all of the spirits that she was speaking to were from
this location until I handed her that noose.
That noose is new here and I haven't done a session yet with
the noose. I cut the noose down when I
found it. And that's a, that's a whole
real freaky thing that happens at at, at buck out.
So one of the things that happens is, is that a lot of
when I turn on the spirit box, these spirits are trying to get
me to kill myself constantly. One day I'm walking in the woods
and they're going on about it and I come across the noose just
hanging in there ready for me. And I said absolutely not.
And I sliced it down and I took it back with me.
Oh wow. So, so yeah, I mean this,
there's no, you know. Wild crazy, right?
That's crazy. That's crazy.
So I have. Heard.
Just so you know, when you feel that news, it feels really rough
and it feels really old. It's creepy.
It's a creepy one. It's a creepy one for sure,
yeah. Let's see, Lucille was before
the rope and that's not here. Yeah.
So that's, so that is, yes. So that's tactically Lucille
Lucinda. Her full name is Lucinda.
That's the only one that does have a buck out connection.
But she's not buried at buck out.
I don't even think she lived that buck out room.
The buck out family is just big. All right.
But what I'm saying is, but, but just for purposes of this and
our what we're trying to talk about here a lot is we're not
that's not a spirit that you've come across in this space in
your office. OK, so.
Let's not at. All that's all for this
installment of Splintered Spirits.
The majority of the ghosts Kathy connected with are the same ones
Johnny has contacted in this location.
We still don't know whether or not that makes them independent
apparitions or imprinted hauntings, but the fact that
Kathy feels the presence of spirits here and from other
locations Johnny frequents confirms that he is some sort of
conduit. We're going to bring Kathy to
one more location, the fireplace room, to see if she feels our
favorite curmudgeon, Edward, and where we'll be turning on The
Voice box to get actual conversations going with the
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