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If you had to pick a book, a 
book for for somebody to read 

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that is up and coming into 
witchcraft, they're discovering 

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their spirituality, what would 
you direct them to? 

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What would be their your go to 
for them? 

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So I have two answers to this. 
Other than the United States 

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Constitution, Welcome to 
Splintered Spirits podcast 

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hosted by me, Gary and my nephew
John Santa from Santa 

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Paranormal. 
Usually on this show we talk 

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about the past, haunting the 
present spirits, energy and 

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splintered memories. 
But today we're talking about a 

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very literal ghost. 
We are looking at a law from 

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1861 written during the Civil 
War that crawled out of the 

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history books in 2023 to haunt 
the business owner in Hanover, 

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PA. 
It sounds like fiction, but it 

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is very real. 
We are talking about a police 

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chief 160 year old ban on 
fortune telling and the threat 

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of arrest for simply reading 
tarot cards. 

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Our guest today didn't back 
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Instead of closing up shop, they
took the fight to the courts. 

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Beck Ravenswood is the owner and
operator of the Serpent's Key 

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Shop and Sanctuary, a space 
dedicated to exploring earth 

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based spirituality in Hanover, 
PA. 

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Beck has been studying 
witchcraft since their teens and

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is here to tell us what happens 
when the legal system tries to 

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put magic on trial. 
Let's dive into the conversation

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back. 
Welcome to splintered spirits. 

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Hi, thanks so much for having me
and and being interested in my 

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story. 
How could anybody not be 

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interested? 
In my story, how could anybody? 

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Oh my gosh. 
You guys are too nice. 

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I'm just a little guy, I 
promise. 

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I'm just some random guy in 
Pennsylvania. 

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Yeah, you know what? 
No, you're not anymore. 

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Now you're now you're someone 
who's who's witchy sauce is 

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going to be all over the place. 
You know, that's what we're 

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we're trying at least trying to 
like make that community more 

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open for, yes. 
So Beck, before we get into this

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story for everybody, I just want
let's get a little background on

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you. 
So how tell us about your 

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experience, how you became a 
witch, how you sort of fell into

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it? 
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Yeah. 
What's your background like? 

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Now everyone, no one believes me
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that I got into witchcraft and 
Wicca was actually because of 

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Scooby-doo. 
Scooby Dooby Doo. 

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Yeah, 1000% So in in like 2001 
or 2002 there was a movie that 

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went out called Scooby-doo and 
the witches ghost and one of the

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like characters they were in 
this like goth girl band called 

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the. 
Oh, the hex witches. 

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Yeah. 
The Hex witches, that is. 

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So let me tell you, I love that.
I'm sorry to cut you off. 

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I know exactly what you're 
talking about. 

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Yeah. 
OK. 

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There's a scene where Thorn 
goes, we're not witches, we're 

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wicked. 
And that like seared itself into

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my brain at the tender age of 
like 10 and then. 

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Oh my God. 
Given, you know, it was the 

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early 2000s, so I had unlimited 
unsupervised access to the 

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Internet, So I kind of fell down
this really like wonderful, 

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weird little rabbit hole. 
What did your parents think? 

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They were not stoked. 
They definitely were like hey So

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what the fuck is this? 
Sorry I'm not sure if I'm not to

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you. 
Know. 

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No, you could swear it's fine. 
You could curse, yeah. 

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So there's definitely there has 
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like resistance to that. 
Like, I don't speak to a lot of 

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my family kind of because of 
that. 

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What's the background there? 
What's their what's their faith 

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in? 
So my, it's kind of all over the

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place. 
My father is from Puerto Rico, 

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so Catholicism is like really 
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there for sure. 
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grew up in Virginia. 
So you have a lot more of the 

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like Baptist evangelical kind of
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Christian, like weird 
amalgamation of like, here's 

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what you should believe in and 
all of it is something you 

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should fear. 
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she doesn't really care so much.
Like she's kind of like, this is

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not really something I know 
about, but you know, live and 

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let live. 
I'm just you do you, kind of. 

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She's the. 
Jewish. 

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The Jewish faith is deep in 
mysticism. 

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Deep. 
I mean, they have their own 

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book, the Kabbalah. 
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So have to study so much to even
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So I think that she was kind of,
she was, she like understood 

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where I was coming from and 
probably thought it was like, 

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oh, something I would grow out 
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teenager. 
And Yep, here I am, so not. 

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OK, so all right, so, so you 
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You've discovered this out of a 
scooby-doo movie, which is fun, 

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but but that's like kids stuff, 
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And then you're sort of 
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vibe and the and the whole 
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When did you make a connection 
with what it really meant to be 

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Wiccan and that sort of 
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When did that hit? 
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So maybe a couple years later, I
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Wicca at 13 years old on my 13th
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I was like. 
Sacrifice something. 

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Dude only no, I'm just kidding. 
I'm a I'm a vegetarian, so 

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nothing, nothing fun. 
At least some carrots or some 

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beets. 
I actually, I think I made like 

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tea and and bread tea cakes and 
ale is like what you're supposed

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to, to like offer, but I was not
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So that's great. 
I was like, here's what I can 

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do. 
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like old school, like Wicca, 
like people like Raymond 

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Buckland. 
I did read a little bit of like 

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Starhawk, the Spiral Dance, a 
lot of the stuff that was coming

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out in the 70s. 
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guess, or like was really 
interested and initiated myself 

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through into Wicca through 
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teen witch or whatever. 
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much a like a framework. 
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Wicca for teenagers. 
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brilliant and approachable. 
While I don't necessarily follow

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the same path, I'm not a Wiccan 
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I just found it was organized 
religion and I don't quite get 

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along. 
I like to say sure. 

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I agree. 
Look, you're talking to you're 

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preaching to the choir these, 
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Italians who grew up Catholic or
atheists these things so. 

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We I hear that? 
I hear the idea. 

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So, so all right, so you're in 
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What was that like in Now? 
Are you in Virginia at this 

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So I I was in Virginia at that 
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talk a whole lot about my 
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Like I think I was maybe the 
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Like I Yeah. 
What was high school like in 

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Virginia as a Wiccan? 
I just, it was not great, right?

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And I, I can't complain. 
I mean, high school is high 

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school is high school, dude. 
Like when you're scared, it 

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doesn't matter if you're a 
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It's just kind of like I was a 
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So I'm not sure that like 
correlation and causation aren't

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necessarily there. 
I got, I really stepped into 

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and, and became more of a public
witch in college when I was able

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to like, start reading tarot 
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And that's kind of like where I 
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I would just sit in the back of 
bars and like have people pay me

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for beer money basically. 
Like sure. 

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You know, and where was this? 
Where'd you go to school? 

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I went to Stevenson University 
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So it's like a really small like
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And I got my very useful degree 
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So I don't know. 
I do really like it and I think 

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it has helped me with like the 
store owner like aspect of what 

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I do. 
But that's kind of where I would

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say like things started to 
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And then after I graduated 
college is really like when I 

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started getting into like the 
true witchcraft spaces, like 

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following the pandemic and stuff
when I had moved to Pennsylvania

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to because I got a job. 
Obviously that job didn't work 

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out, but I'm still here, right? 
And I realized I was like, look,

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there's no places for, there are
no places for witches to really 

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gather, so. 
So did you have a community 

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before we get because I'm 
fascinated by the whole thing. 

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So how did did you find a 
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you first went there for a job 
of other people that had these 

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interests or you still on your 
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It kind of felt isolated, like I
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live pretty close to Gettysburg,
PA, which is incredibly haunted,

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has a lot of like the very 
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and has a lot of metaphysical 
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So I started going there, but 
they didn't have like gatherings

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kind of like what I wanted. 
So one day while I was in jury 

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duty and had nothing better to 
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celebrating and publicly 
celebrating the Wheel of the 

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Year, which is a series of eight
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throughout the seasons. 
So in 2021, I kind of, I started

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that we met at a local park, 
honestly and like had a picnic 

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to be super real and did like a 
little prayer and even that we 

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were kind of getting like stares
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So it's definitely always been a
testy subject it seems no matter

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where I'm at. 
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I'm like, well, I don't know how
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So you guys are going to have to
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All right. 
So did you use it to get out of 

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jury duty by chance? 
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I wish, I wish. 
No I didn't. 

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I they didn't want me anyways. 
So I sat there for like 8 hours 

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and then they were like, here's 
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Good luck, you know? 
All right, so you, you start to 

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develop a community there. 
You're in Pennsylvania, you're 

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working somewhere, but it didn't
work out or when did you? 

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So then when did you decide to 
become? 

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This is your store. 
Correct, yes. 

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So I started the Serpent's Key 
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I had quit a kind of my dead end
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And then I started working at a 
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And while I have tattoos, I 
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I don't like needles, I don't 
like blood. 

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I'm really good at making 
schedules though, so sure I like

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answered the phone and I did all
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there really helped me get my 
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provided a really strong 
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So I'm really. 
Really taught you how to be a 

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small business owner. 
Yeah, I learned a lot. 

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Yeah, my parents are small 
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My dad's a dentist and my mom 
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I've always been kind of around 
entrepreneurs, not anything like

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this. 
This is very different than root

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canals, but maybe spiritual root
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but all right. 
So you open the shop and it's 

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been and just remind us, where 
in Pennsylvania exactly are you 

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still outside of Gettysburg? 
Or yes, we're about 20 minutes 

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away from Gettysburg. 
We're in Hanover, PA. 

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If you ever have seen like 
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that's us. 
So it's, it's a really small, 

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like rural Pennsylvania town. 
And it's kind of. 

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I looked it up and the the crime
there is super low super. 

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Low. 
Are they coming after me? 

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Violent crime is really low. 
Theft is Theft is relatively 

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high. 
Yeah, because. 

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We are just on average because 
people are so. 

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Safe that they don't lock their 
cars and then they get, you 

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know. 
Stuck, but it's incredibly 

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quiet. 
I mean, I looked this, I mean, I

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looked it up because I wanted to
see why you were getting so all 

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and then start getting us into 
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How was the shop? 
How was the shop doing? 

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You had your story, you had a 
grand opening. 

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How? 
How are you doing business wise?

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So back in 2023, like the 
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about today actually happened 
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open. 
So I had not even been open. 

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Like my grand opening was 
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of that year. 
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October. 
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even, I was just doing 
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what, I'm painting the walls and
I'm looking for vendors and I'm,

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you know, I'm doing these 
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And then that kind of, I guess 
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and all that good stuff. 
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But since then, so we opened in 
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about to celebrate three years 
of being open in 2026. 

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So I'm I'm pleasantly surprised 
with the trajectory indeed. 

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Has now so this happened. 
You had a you opened with what 

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we're about to get into going 
on, right? 

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Is that the that is crazy? 
All right, so tell, all right. 

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Let's get into it. 
Let's get into it, Beck. 

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What? 
What? 

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So you're sitting in your shop. 
You're getting you're getting 

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things ready. 
Let's go. 

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Indeed, indeed. 
All right, So I, if we want to 

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walk down memory lane in October
of 2023, I was getting my, my 

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shop set up, like doing all the 
painting, getting all the 

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permits, like doing all the 
stuff when I, I got an e-mail 

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from a nonprofit that I had been
working with called Main Street 

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Hanover. 
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like promote and talk about 
small businesses in our historic

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downtown, which is where my, my,
my shop is located. 

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So they, you know, they do 
promos. 

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They, they're, they're great. 
It's a great, like, I don't 

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know, just organization to have 
they had written an article 

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about my shop that had gone out 
in October because, you know, 

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it's a spooky shop like things 
are, you know, like it it it was

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a poignant time for for things 
to to be to talk about my shop 

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essentially. 
So October 3rd in the morning. 

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I remember because it was a 
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It's my. 
Birthday I you know, right, Look

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at that. 
I love it. 

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Happy birthday leaper season. 
I basically, I, I had gone into 

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therapy and I came out, I 
checked my e-mail and I got a 

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letter or like an e-mail from 
the organizer of the nonprofit 

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that said like, hey, so I don't 
want to alarm you, But the 

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police chief of Hanover just 
gave me a call and said that he 

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read our article. 
And because of it, he's going to

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be stopping by either himself or
one of his officers or both, 

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just to let you know that tarot 
reading is illegal and that, 

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like, you know, you can go to 
jail for this in Pennsylvania. 

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And I was like, OK, like, cool, 
man. 

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Like, what are you talking 
about? 

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Like, that's stupid. 
Actually. 

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Like, this is insane. 
Like, do I need to turn right 

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back around and go into therapy?
Because this is not at all like 

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what I was expecting to read. 
And just just just so people 

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know, right, we are talking 
about this old law is. 1800s, 

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right? 
Yeah. 

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So it's from title, I think the 
law is. 

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Correct me if. 
I'm wrong back Title 18 Section 

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71 O four of the Pennsylvania 
consolidated statutes titled 

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fortune telling and it dates 
back to 1861 and it classifieds 

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fortune telling as a third 
degree misdemeanor. 

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And it and it says, if a person 
pretends for for gain or lucre 

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to tell fortunes or predict 
future events by cards, tokens, 

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the inspection of the head or 
hands of any person, or in any 

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other manner, and the penalty of
this, the violation can result 

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in 6 to 12 months in prison and 
a fine of up to $2500. 

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Per person, per events. 
Yeah, per. 

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Offense per so if it's yes per 
offense. 

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So I could theoretically be 
thrown into jail for like, you 

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know, a million years if I had a
million clients or whatever. 

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OK. 
And we're going to talk about 

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this law a little bit more too, 
but it's all right. 

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So you're sitting in. 
Did they ever show up? 

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So yes, about two days later, 
the police chief of Hanover 

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himself and another unnamed 
officer who like this. 

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Is Chad police? 
This is Police Chief Chad 

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Martin. 
Correct. 

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Yes, Yes, Sir. 
So he came in like in his little

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Hanover. 
It wasn't like the official 

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police uniform, but it was like 
the polo, it said Hanover 

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Borough Department. 
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believe as to what I can 
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So it wasn't like the vest like 
with the body Cam and stuff, but

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a little. 
More slightly more casual, but 

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he's still obviously a police 
officer. 

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Correct. 
And they were both dressed the 

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exact same like so it was a 
uniform like there, unless they 

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were just really matching the 
khakis that day. 

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I don't know, man. 
So anyways, himself and another 

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officer kind of came in and like
backed me to the back of the 

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shop and I asked them like, hey,
man, like because this is a 

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police interaction. 
Like I, I, I'm going to, I need 

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to record this. 
And they said, no, you're not 

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allowed to record this. 
This is a, this, we're not here 

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from the police. 
This is a personal conversation 

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to which I said, OK, well, I'm 
not going to talk to you unless 

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my lawyer's present in that 
case. 

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And they said, well, we're just 
trying to have an adult 

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conversation, so it would really
behoove you to listen to us. 

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And I said, OK, Sir, in the, in 
the what? 

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Like in the, in wanting to be an
adult about this, I'm willing to

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hear you out. 
And then I, I shut up after 

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that. 
I didn't really say anything. 

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He basically like stated the law
to me and he said that while he 

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had not gotten any reports at 
that point, that the second that

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he did, he would be back and 
that I would be thrown in jail. 

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And that I would face the full 
consequences of the law now in 

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my shop. 
Because I really do believed in 

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informed consent. 
Because I am not trying to prey 

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on people because I don't have 
time for that. 

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Honestly, I have these really 
big disclaimers around the shop 

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that say like, I am not a 
doctor, I am not, this is not 

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legal advice. 
Like I am not a psychologist. 

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Like I went to fucking art 
school dog. 

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And I don't think anyone thinks 
otherwise to be really real with

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you. 
Right. 

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It's the idea of whether you 
believe we, John and I were just

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talking about this, Whether you 
believe in this or not, you sort

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of have to say it's for 
entertainment purposes only, so 

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people don't. 
Sue, don't sue me. 

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Which like, fine. 
You know how many other stupid 

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things that I have to do in 
order to like? 

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Fine. 
If that is really like what it 

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comes down to, I'm willing to 
put those signs up. 

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So did. 
So, all right, I'm sorry to 

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interrupt you go. 
Ahead. 

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No, it's OK. 
Prior, prior to all of this I 

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had actually gone to a couple 
local like shops in town that 

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offer tarot. 
Like, I have had my cards read 

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at other stores in Gettysburg 
and the surrounding areas. 

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And when I asked them, I was 
like, hey, how do you get around

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this weird old law? 
They and I think this woman like

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jinxed me, dude. 
She looked at me and she held my

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hands and she goes, oh, honey, 
I've been in business longer 

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than you've been alive and I've 
never had any problems with 

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that. 
If you're worried about it, just

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put a sign up. 
And I was like, something's 

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gonna happen, man. 
Like I just knew in. 

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She might have been the one. 
She may have been the one to 

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call the police. 
She didn't want the she didn't 

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want the competition. 
I think so. 

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We have a good rapport. 
But like I yeah, it was 

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definitely, I think it was the 
article above all else that 

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really. 
So, But what did a lawyer tell 

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you? 
Did putting that sign up? 

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Does that squash the case? 
So we're not, no, unfortunately 

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it doesn't. 
So he, when I told him I was 

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like, well, I have these pieces 
of paper, he looked at me. 

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He goes, those little pieces of 
paper will never hold up in 

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court. 
And I said, OK. 

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And then I immediately like 
prior to this, I had called a 

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lawyer and they were like 
nothing, nothing is going to 

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come of this. 
Like this is nothing like this 

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is just call us back if he 
actually shows up. 

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So when he did show up, I didn't
call those people back because 

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they ignored me the first time. 
And I I got in touch with a 

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really wonderful civil rights 
lawyer who basically her name's 

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Alexa. 
And she basically was like, hey,

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did you know that your first and
14th Amendment rights were just 

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like majorly violated by a, 
like, government employee? 

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And I was like, yeah, I guess 
she goes, you need to be more 

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angry about that. 
And I was like, OK, like, so, 

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yeah, we've been fighting the 
borough essentially like asking 

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them to say like, we're not 
going to arrest you because we 

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see that this law is stupid. 
And they, like will not back 

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down on that. 
They're like, no, we have to 

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follow the law to. 
The letter So in order for us to

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like, not arrest you, you have 
to like get the law struck from 

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the books. 
And I'm like, OK, cool word. 

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All right, so now you are, this 
is sort of the first, there's no

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trial per SE. 
Obviously this is sort of the 

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first witch trial, but you're 
like what I'm thinking that by 

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the by a witch attacking the 
state. 

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Or the gas. 
Now listen, there have there 

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have been other witches that 
before me. 

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This is, I come from a long line
of like loudmouth witches. 

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Now I'm just gonna there are 
some really incredible people 

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who have been activists in the 
since the 70s. 

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One of my favorite witches who 
who's still alive actually right

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now is Selena Fox. 
And she like she was one of the 

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first women in the 1970s to say,
Hey, witchcraft isn't evil 

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actually. 
Like this is earth based 

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spirituality. 
And she was on like the BBC 

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talking about it in a time where
that was unheard of. 

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So yes, while there might be 
yes, the witch is turning the 

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narrative, I think that it's a 
long history of that as well. 

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And I, I'm hoping just to be a 
successful part of that at the 

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very least, you know? 
Well, look, you know the law 

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we're talking about. 
First of all, if you know if 

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there's any truth to it was was 
clear. 

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I guess it's debatable, but 
probably not. 

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It's it's clearly like a racist 
law. 

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Correct SO. 
Designed to attack gypsies. 

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Correct the. 
Romani vagrants and travelling 

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around indeed, and it was just 
highly focused on them and 

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getting them out of town, 
correct. 

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So you know how it holds water 
for? 

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A small business owner. 
Today doesn't matter, and now I 

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understand. 
So there was a bill right in 

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June of this year that was 
supposed to repeal. 

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This law? 
Yes. 

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What? 
Happened there. 

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So we got it through the 
judiciary like vote essentially 

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for it to go to the floor. 
I was like unaware that this was

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happening until I reached out to
the representative and I was 

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like, hello, I don't know if you
know who I am, but I have a 

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feeling that you do if this is 
the law that you're trying to 

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pass right now. 
So, lol, can I come say hi? 

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Like please? 
So I got to go to the House of 

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Representatives and kind of 
stand in front of this huge like

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Judiciary Committee that decided
whether or not the bill was 

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going to go to the House floor. 
Now, since then, I believe that 

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it's been tabled for right now. 
And hopefully, if we can get 

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folks to like call the, Oh my 
gosh, the Speaker of the House, 

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the majority speaker of the 
House, they will be able to 

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bring it to the House of 
Representatives for further 

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voting. 
But it has to be introduced like

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this year. 
So I'm, I'm hoping that it goes 

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through, but it kind of seems 
like the judicial process is 

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going to be like the prime way 
to get this repealed. 

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But it's nice to have two prongs
of government kind of working on

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it at the same time. 
So whichever 1 happens first, 

450
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,760
I'm happy with. 
What you know, I guess what's my

451
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,160
question here? 
It's is it, what is your 

452
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320
approach to this? 
Is it from all angles, like I'm 

453
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,320
a small business owner and 
they're hurting my business? 

454
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,000
Or is it freedom of religion? 
Or is it? 

455
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,160
What is? 
I was going to say it's kind of 

456
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,560
a combo. 
So what are the? 

457
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,680
Targets or what's your lawyer 
doing, you know? 

458
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,400
So right now we're kind of, we 
are defining tarot reading as 

459
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,200
protected economic speech. 
That is the that is the term 

460
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960
that she's been using. 
So yes, it does have to do with 

461
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,120
a lot of things with religious 
freedom 100% with all business 

462
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,600
owning. 
How dare the government tell me 

463
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,640
what I can do and not do in my 
in my own establishment, right. 

464
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,120
And it is kind of like, again, 
the economic speech, like you 

465
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:58,920
cannot, like you cannot legally 
interfere with things that are 

466
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,760
either religious in nature or 
are it's, it's the freedom of 

467
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,080
speech of, of just me talking, 
right? 

468
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,440
So it is kind of a, it's a 
multifaceted issue that really 

469
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,200
ultimately comes down to the 
redundancy of the law because in

470
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,960
Pennsylvania, this law has never
been prosecuted on its own. 

471
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,200
It's only ever been tacked on to
cases of major, major, major 

472
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,280
fraud. 
And I'm talking like hundreds of

473
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,000
thousands of dollars. 
And if their flavor of scam was 

474
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,440
fortune telling, this law can 
add more time or more of a 

475
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,160
penalty, however, has never 
independently been or 

476
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,920
successfully independently been 
prosecuted against a single 

477
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,920
person. 
So for them to pull this random 

478
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,200
law out of like a hat with 
nothing else like to say that 

479
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,680
I'm being, you know, I'm telling
people that they must like pay 

480
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840
me $10,000 or else I will not 
list the like. 

481
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,640
I don't if I isn't that. 
Is it just me? 

482
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Is it just me this whole 
situation, does it not feel like

483
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,800
there's something else behind 
the scenes? 

484
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,680
So hear me out. 
I go to I go to Gettysburg all 

485
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600
the time, right? 
I just got back from Gettysburg.

486
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,160
So when when I'm going to come, 
I would like to come visit you 

487
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,360
and check out the shop the next 
time I'm I'm in the area 

488
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,360
probably like February March, 
right? 

489
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,280
It almost seems like now 
handover it doesn't have You're 

490
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,160
the first shop of its kind in 
there, right? 

491
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,400
So we were actually one of five 
that have that were in Hanover. 

492
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,680
Yeah. 
So I really don't know what his 

493
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,960
issue was. 
There was so. 

494
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,720
Now, so wait, hold on, the other
shops, are they still in 

495
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,880
existence? 
No. 

496
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,680
OK, so or they have I'm 
wondering. 

497
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Yeah. 
I'm wondering on an economic 

498
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,840
scale, if this is a play of the 
area. 

499
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,760
So, for example, Gettysburg is 
not only known, as you said, 

500
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,160
it's not only known for its 
ghosts shops, but every time I 

501
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,680
go to, I mean ghosts and 
whatnot, every time I go to 

502
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,840
Gettysburg, I forget my spirit 
board. 

503
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,720
And what do I do? 
I go into town and I walk into 

504
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,320
one of the the shops and I pick 
up the spirit board right every 

505
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,680
time. 
Now I wonder if this whole thing

506
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,480
is to stop people like me from 
going to hand over. 

507
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,400
Instead, Oh my goodness, that 
would be some sort. 

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640
That would be a crazy. 
I hope not. 

509
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,120
Oh my goodness. 
I hope not. 

510
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,760
But listen, I, I know how small 
towns and businesses work, and a

511
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,960
lot of them work that way where 
it's like, OK, here, this is 

512
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,960
allowed because of the economic 
setup we have for our area. 

513
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,000
But don't wait. 
You're not allowed to do it 

514
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,480
there and you're not allowed to 
do it here. 

515
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,760
That's because this whole thing 
is ridiculous. 

516
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,480
What they're doing to you is 
ridiculous and makes no sense. 

517
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,920
Yeah. 
Well, thank you, because 

518
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,320
sometimes I'm like maybe it is 
me, like maybe I did not you 

519
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,680
like maybe it's because I say 
together and have tattoos like I

520
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,600
don't know dog well that. 
Well, I was going to ask you, 

521
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,680
Beck, what is what is that town 
like? 

522
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,160
I mean, is it a, are they 
against, you know, just sort of 

523
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,560
how you identify not only just 
as a witch, but as a person, you

524
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240
know? 
You know, Hanover is a really it

525
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,880
is the most interesting place I 
have ever lived in my entire 

526
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,440
life. 
And that is prop Sounds weird 

527
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,840
for a small town. 
I think I'm a little bit 

528
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320
insulated. 
I do know that there is kind of 

529
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,840
some, some folks who don't like 
us too much or who maybe don't 

530
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,160
like our spiritual path or don't
like that there are a lot of 

531
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,320
like queer or gay and like trans
folks like in my community or 

532
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,080
think that we're a little bit 
odd. 

533
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,360
But I will say I have been 
surprised by the amount of 

534
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,920
people who've been so supportive
because when this happened, it 

535
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,080
was like every single like 
suburban mom in the area decided

536
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,800
that I was like their weird kid 
And they were like, no, that's 

537
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760
my name. 
You stay away. 

538
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,120
I'm going to buy 2 crystals this
time. 

539
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,840
Like it is, it was really 
beautiful. 

540
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
So I think that Hanover can get 
kind of a bad rap. 

541
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,120
And I, I hear people talking 
about how it's like the Wild 

542
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,800
West and people are like afraid 
to come here and like it's, but 

543
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,800
there are really, really good 
people in Hanover. 

544
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,640
I moved here not knowing a 
single person. 

545
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,520
I can now walk up the street and
I know at least two or three 

546
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,200
people on my walk to work like 
whether they are local business 

547
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,720
owners or just like the barista 
from the cafe across the street.

548
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,960
Like it is a very like when if 
you are open to like being open,

549
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,400
it is very. 
It's a really beautiful place. 

550
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,720
But there are some mentalities 
that are stuck in the past. 

551
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Well, yeah. 
Man, that's Pennsylvania. 

552
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,440
Pennsylvania's the South of the 
north sometimes. 

553
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,400
And real. 
Yeah. 

554
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,360
Growing up in Virginia, I was 
like, oh, my God. 

555
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:38,960
Great. 
It's north of the Mason Dixon. 

556
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
I'll be great. 
And then I got here and I was 

557
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,760
like, why are there more 
Confederate flags than at home? 

558
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,240
What's? 
Happening. 

559
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,880
No. 
You went to the worst place. 

560
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Yeah. 
You know, for this, right, For 

561
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,040
sort of that liberal mindset, 
what Beck has this fight that 

562
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,840
you're doing. 
Yeah. 

563
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,400
Can you, I mean, you're a small 
business owner. 

564
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,600
I mean, I don't know, you like 
riding on dentist money or 

565
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,840
something Where like, how do 
you, how can you fight this? 

566
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,720
How can you keep this crystal? 
You have, yeah. 

567
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Crystals, baby. 
Crystal would fucking tackle if 

568
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,400
he heard you say that because he
would be the furthest person. 

569
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800
But no, I'm really lucky that my
lawyer's actually working pro 

570
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,480
bono, so I am. 
She's just like, no, this is 

571
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,240
fucking stupid. 
And it's a law that is old and 

572
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
doesn't need to be there. 
It is A and it's a 

573
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800
constitutional case. 
So it's not just some. 

574
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,480
I'm not getting any money out of
this. 

575
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,360
Like I don't, I'm not getting a 
settlement. 

576
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,280
I'm not asking for like loss and
like harm and like what? 

577
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Because I don't care. 
I just. 

578
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Essentially, you're just asking 
to be left alone. 

579
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Dog for real. 
I just want to be left alone to 

580
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,280
be craft and like B and and for 
other and for other people to be

581
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,120
left alone, because I guarantee 
you fewer people are bigger 

582
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,720
assholes than I am. 
And like I if this happened to 

583
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,640
somebody else, like I just I 
couldn't. 

584
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,240
I couldn't live with myself if I
had the opportunity to do 

585
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,520
something and then did it and 
then someone else actually went 

586
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,440
to jail or like some for for 
dumb reasons. 

587
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Like I'm not talking about. 
Again, I really disavow the the 

588
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,640
scammers like the people who 
like slide into people's DMS. 

589
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,800
They're like grand rising 
beloved. 

590
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560
I sensed an aura around you. 
And I'm like, dude, I don't even

591
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,200
talk like that. 
Like. 

592
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,320
And they're talking. 
More than me. 

593
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,280
And I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa. 
I'm I thought 20 bucks was a lot

594
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,480
shit. 
Yeah, yo, Beck, two things real 

595
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,000
quick that you're going to crack
up laughing. 

596
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Yeah, I because I have a big, 
you know, big TikTok and 

597
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Instagram and all that. 
People copying by name and going

598
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
to other people's DMS saying 
those exact things, right? 

599
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,240
Never talk like that. 
So it's insane. 

600
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,360
And you know, the second thing, 
the second thing I've noticed 

601
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,560
about that whole area is since 
I, I now document Gettysburg and

602
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160
I go every couple of months, I 
get 2 reactions from people when

603
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,040
I'm calling up information, this
that and the other one, they are

604
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,760
so interested and so supportive 
about what I do. 

605
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,200
And the other, they get 
extremely nasty. 

606
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280
They're, Yup, they want nothing 
to do with it. 

607
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
It's, it's wild. 
So like, I get what you're 

608
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,120
saying. 
I've experienced that. 

609
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,520
It's wild. 
We tried to because I'm really 

610
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,080
all about working within the 
community. 

611
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,200
I love Hanover, like I really, 
really do. 

612
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560
And one of the things that I 
wanted to do was start a Hanover

613
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600
ghost tour because there's so 
much history here that has to do

614
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,600
with the Civil War and beyond, 
right? 

615
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,400
And we went to the Historical 
Society. 

616
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,800
My friend who's a professional 
researcher and used to curate 

617
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,760
for the Poe Museum in Baltimore,
like she went up and went to go 

618
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,360
talk to them. 
She asked if they had any like 

619
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,840
hauntings or ghost stories. 
They handed her a single like 

620
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080
file with a single piece of 
paper in it. 

621
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,800
And the head of the Hanover 
Historical Society looked at 

622
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800
this woman and said we're good 
people. 

623
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,800
We don't have ghosts in Hanover.
So yeah, like there's 

624
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,680
definitely, yeah, there were 
definitely some like other 

625
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,120
librarians though, that I was 
like, hey, I know that, you 

626
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,880
know, something can. 
Yes, yes. 

627
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,520
And they were super helpful. 
They were like, go to chapter 13

628
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,960
in this book on the, you know 
what I mean? 

629
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,760
So yes, I definitely feel like 
you have to, you have to know 

630
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,640
who to ask. 
And weirdly, I think I think a 

631
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,720
lot of this comes from the 
tradition of Pennsylvania Dutch 

632
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,360
powwow because it was very 
secretive. 

633
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,120
It was very underground and it 
was very much kind of like, 

634
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,240
well, you don't ask for these 
things. 

635
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,920
You just you get invited to this
or like you just know or you are

636
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,680
in the know. 
Not saying that that's like what

637
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,240
is happening with everybody, but
I feel like especially from like

638
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
moving up here from Virginia, I 
was like, Oh my goodness, this 

639
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,720
is a little bit different. 
Let's get a let me get a little 

640
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,760
woo woo for a second, just 
because you know, we we are a 

641
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,080
paranormal podcast here in a 
sense, but is there have you 

642
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,760
found, you know, what has you 
said? 

643
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
You have you've been hit with a 
lot of positivity from from the 

644
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080
community, right. 
And obviously you're still in 

645
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,800
this fight. 
So there is some animosity, but 

646
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,960
what has the overall? 
What do you feel in terms of 

647
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000
like your success or your shop 
or you? 

648
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
You seem in great spirits. 
Thank you Has. 

649
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Do you feel like energy and and 
you know and all of that Is it 

650
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,640
affected you in the positive? 
Is the shop doing better? 

651
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Sure you know because of the 
attention or how What's the? 

652
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Yeah, I think that that is less 
unfortunately. 

653
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,320
I know you're like trying to get
woo woo, but I think that all 

654
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,480
all press is good press, you 
know what I mean? 

655
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,760
So I'm very grateful that this 
has put out like the word. 

656
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,360
But I do think that that like I 
went before I started my shop, I

657
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,760
went to Salem, MA and Salem's 
super cool, but I am a Virgo so 

658
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,760
I was like, I can do this better
obviously, which like is is not 

659
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760
actually it. 
Like I do really love Salem. 

660
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Like don't get me wrong, I'm not
trying to be shady or anything. 

661
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,680
I think it's a really wonderful 
place. 

662
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,560
But I came back and I was like, 
I, I kind of made, I don't want 

663
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,880
to say like a pact, but like a 
promise to a goddess Hikante, 

664
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,800
the goddess of witches and 
crossroads. 

665
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,320
And ironically, my shop is right
outside the biggest like four 

666
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,200
way intersection in town. 
But I said basically, like, if 

667
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,199
you help me with this, I will 
establish your sanctuary and in 

668
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,120
this, in this space. 
And I, I just need, I just need 

669
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,800
the people to come. 
And I don't think that there is 

670
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,440
any better like bat signal to 
put out other than, hey, guess 

671
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,120
what? 
They're trying to arrest me for 

672
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,880
witchcraft in the 21st century 
century, you know? 

673
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,760
So, yeah, I think that in a lot 
of ways, like I, I truly believe

674
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,000
that I was not given anything 
more that I could handle. 

675
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Like I, I think that at the time
and as we have grown, like I've 

676
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,760
kind of stepped into it, but it 
has been a struggle. 

677
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,679
Like I, I do come off like, 
yeah, happy, positive all the 

678
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,120
time because that is kind of 
like what the space brings to 

679
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,639
me. 
Like I do feel a lot of joy 

680
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,239
like, and even talking and like 
sharing my story. 

681
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,320
But on the like, on the flip 
side, dude, it's like really 

682
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,400
difficult to be in the public 
eye sometimes. 

683
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,320
Like, I'm not like, and 
especially in a small town, like

684
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,760
there was a period of time where
like, I was not able to like, 

685
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,040
leave my house. 
Like I, I couldn't go to like 

686
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,400
Target to get toothpaste without
someone being like, hey, you're 

687
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,480
the girl on TV with the crystal 
shop, aren't you? 

688
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,800
Which is great. 
And again, I was really 

689
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,600
grateful. 
Yeah, but it's. 

690
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,320
Very. 
You don't know what? 

691
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120
You don't know where that it's 
going with that, right? 

692
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,720
That is sometimes like that. 
You sometimes you just want to 

693
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,920
go get your toothpaste without 
being bothered. 

694
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Sure, sure. 
And no one. 

695
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,360
Was ever bothering me. 
I never want to come across that

696
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,720
way, but it definitely like as 
an introvert and someone like 

697
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,760
major anxiety, it was it's been 
a challenge. 

698
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040
I can imagine and, and let's 
face it, you know, this world is

699
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,360
not known for its, you know, 
people who are not crazy. 

700
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,800
You know, we got a lot of 
crazies. 

701
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Right, right. 
So. 

702
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,640
A lot more crazies than not 
crazies, you know? 

703
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,800
In this space, in this area, I 
just like to be careful and I 

704
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,880
unfortunately like kind of have 
a notable look about me. 

705
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,680
So you know, I'm, I definitely I
would wear my normie clothes. 

706
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,640
I used to say like steal my 
boyfriend's hoodie. 

707
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,240
I'm like, it's not black, they 
won't know. 

708
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Do you, that's funny. 
Do you, I mean, are you, I don't

709
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,960
want to get you. 
Well, look, we're not airing 

710
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,760
this yet, but are you 
practicing? 

711
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Are you giving readings and do 
do you make them sign something?

712
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,240
You know though beforehand like 
this is for like, how do you do 

713
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,480
it just to protect yourself? 
So I'm actually the only person 

714
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,920
in Pennsylvania who can legally 
offer tarot readings right now 

715
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,800
because I have what's called a 
joint stipulation, which says 

716
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,600
that as long as I am challenging
this in court, they cannot use 

717
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,320
the law against me. 
Yeah. 

718
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080
And it, but that took me over a 
year to fight for. 

719
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,240
They for a while I just was 
like, well, we're rolling the 

720
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,200
dice, dude. 
Like if they come in and drag me

721
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,800
out, like, I guess that's it, 
you know? 

722
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640
But I didn't think that they 
were actually going to do that 

723
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,760
after everything blew up. 
It would be very stupid for them

724
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,240
to try to like, continue. 
But because I have, it's again, 

725
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
a joint stipulation, I believe, 
where it's just kind of like, 

726
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,600
OK, we, we see what you're doing
and what you're trying to say. 

727
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,760
And for this temporary period of
time, we will leave you alone. 

728
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,840
But after that, all bets are 
off. 

729
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,720
And I can only read cards within
the borough of Hanover, 

730
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,480
conveniently where my shop is. 
But any, anything outside of 

731
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,160
that, like then, you know, if, 
if I'm in York, then the York 

732
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,120
police could come get me, you 
know what I mean? 

733
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,280
So it is, I have some, some 
stipulations and stuff, but 

734
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
there are ways that I've been 
able to work around it. 

735
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,040
And ultimately, like it is a 
law. 

736
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,120
I don't want to like give advice
because I can't. 

737
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,840
But it is a law that, like, most
police officers are not going to

738
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,280
enforce because, like, they have
more crime to deal with, like 

739
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,040
more actual crime, you know? 
No, the whole thing is strange, 

740
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,040
the whole the fact you have to 
put up with the strange. 

741
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,760
But John, could you imagine like
some sting operation against 

742
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Beck? 
Like this is like a bunch of 

743
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
guys sitting around. 
Imagine a bunch of Pennsylvanian

744
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,360
cops sitting around going like, 
how are we going to get this 

745
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,600
witch? 
Let's get we're going to get 

746
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,320
like my, we're going to bring it
undercover like we're. 

747
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,840
Going to we've. 
Set up right. 

748
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,800
We've set up this sting 
operation. 

749
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160
We've she's infiltrated Beck's 
inner circle. 

750
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,800
She's going to get a towel 
reading. 

751
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,920
In the moment, they're all 
sitting out in vans with their 

752
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,840
headphones on, like the money 
exchanges. 

753
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,520
The. 1st right And then it's 
like go, go, go. 

754
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Right. 
They start kicking in doors, all

755
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,920
units. 
Well, think about it like this, 

756
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,560
like. 
They they get right out. 

757
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Right, they kept swinging in 
through the window. 

758
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,320
To stop you. 
From tarot card reading. 

759
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,680
How dangerous. 
Pairs money dude that is being 

760
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,680
wasted I. 
Know right? 

761
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,800
Now. 
I know man, all of. 

762
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,440
This. 
I know and I like, I like, hate 

763
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,120
to be the drama like I really do
because. 

764
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,600
I no you shouldn't be the drama 
with this my friend. 

765
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,080
No, no, no. 
This is good drama. 

766
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,760
Yo, this is. 
You are the drama with this and 

767
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,640
I love every second of it. 
I know it's so fascinating to. 

768
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,720
Me thank you that's also why we 
try to give back so much to the 

769
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,560
community because I am like 
aware that this does take like 

770
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,480
resources away from like things 
that's. 

771
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Not your fault. 
That's not your fault. 

772
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,000
It's not. 
Your fault. 

773
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,560
At least we can do our best to 
balance the scales. 

774
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,640
That's kind of what our 
philosophy is, indeed. 

775
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
That's awesome that you're doing
that too, but that's not your 

776
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,040
fault at all. 
This is. 

777
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,720
You did nothing wrong. 
I don't. 

778
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,880
Know this is the kind of story 
for John and I is the kind of 

779
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,840
story that like you know this is
the Italian Alzheimer's right. 

780
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880
We only remember the grudges and
we want to get in on it and like

781
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,000
just sort of we would never let 
this go. 

782
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,480
It's like that was you never 
let. 

783
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
It's like you have to be out of 
your mind. 

784
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,320
They told me it could take up to
10 years and I said OK, like I 

785
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,440
I'll be 36 at the latest. 
OK whatever man. 

786
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,680
Like I'll do it. 
Like fuck it, sign me up. 

787
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,280
Back when I head into, when I 
head to Gettysburg in a couple 

788
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,920
months, I'll be there. 
Like I said, February, March, we

789
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,160
are. 
We're going to meet up. 

790
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,920
I'm going to come to your shop. 
Maybe we'll do a little, you 

791
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,080
know, ghost hunting, you know, 
talk to some spirits and we will

792
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,480
bring I will bring this to the 
attention of my community again,

793
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,440
not just through this podcast, 
but through my live as well, 

794
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,160
because it deserves it. 
It deserves it. 

795
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,200
And then let them let them come 
for us. 

796
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,640
You know where they gonna do. 
We can't ghost hunt either. 

797
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,840
Right. 
Oh my goodness. 

798
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Can you imagine? 
No. 

799
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,280
I Yeah, You know. 
Beck What do you Beck What do 

800
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,600
you think? 
Beck What do you think about 

801
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,040
ghosts? 
You ever go to Gettysburg and go

802
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,520
ghost? 
Hunting. 

803
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,320
I love ghost hunting. 
I actually did like 3 years ago 

804
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,040
and I don't know, I don't want 
to start any beef or drama. 

805
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,600
I was just asked to show up. 
But Sam and Colby like like the 

806
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,720
ghost hunter like duo on 
YouTube. 

807
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,960
They had me come along. 
Yeah, they had me come along on 

808
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,400
some sort of like ghost hunt in 
oh, it was in Maryland. 

809
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,320
It was the haunted boys school 
that burned down in it's like in

810
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,040
Patapsco State Park. 
So I love ghost hunting. 

811
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,320
I have had multiple like mediums
and psychics like in the shop 

812
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,120
who I bring them to my apartment
because I am very like, very 

813
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,520
sure that it has like an 
inhabitant shall we say. 

814
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,440
Most likely. 
Everywhere's haunted, so most 

815
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:10,960
likely. 
Everywhere. 

816
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,640
So the house was built in 1836. 
Like, come on now, you know. 

817
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Definitely. 
So Beck, we ask Beck, we ask 

818
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,880
everybody this on the podcast 
and we ask you too. 

819
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,720
What? 
What do you think spirits are? 

820
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,440
Oh, that is a good question. 
Energy is like my biggest answer

821
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,800
and I know that's kind of a cop 
out. 

822
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,440
Do I? 
I think that there are many 

823
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,400
types of spirits. 
Like I think that you have 

824
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
spirits that are maybe like 
stuck or recorded like the stone

825
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,280
tape theory or whatever. 
You have spirits who are 

826
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,840
intelligent, who are just like, 
what the heck? 

827
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,880
And like have maybe something 
that are tied here. 

828
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,240
And then we have, I believe, 
like entities that kind of come 

829
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:54,520
in between like our world and 
the next, like when we need 

830
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,160
guidance. 
So like our ancestors or if 

831
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,280
we're summoning a particular 
deity or spirit or entity from 

832
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,200
another realm or dimension 
without getting too woo woo for 

833
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,800
ya. 
No. 

834
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Is that? 
What do what? 

835
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,120
Yeah, it's like I document this 
stuff all the time. 

836
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,720
Yeah. 
All right. 

837
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,880
So couple things couple. 
Things with the stone. 

838
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,720
The stone, trust me. 
Right. 

839
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,800
The stone theory that you're 
talking about, that's what you 

840
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,720
know, if you talk to like 
parapsychologist, they'll say 

841
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,840
that's a haunting, right? 
That's an imprint, right? 

842
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,400
Like energy gets imprinted on 
it. 

843
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
You could be a living person and
leave your energy on something 

844
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,400
and then it's like a recording 
that's. 

845
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,280
A little deep. 
Right. 

846
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,720
And then so when you start 
talking about other entities, I 

847
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,560
always I've talked to some 
people that start talking about 

848
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,240
other dimensions or quantum 
dimensions. 

849
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,920
And then there's past life 
regression to who think of it as

850
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,680
you know, Everything Everywhere 
all at once. 

851
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Were these different timelines? 
Where would you say what do you 

852
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,640
think? 
Where do you fall you in the in 

853
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,360
that sort of realm? 
I could past life regression is 

854
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,080
come as I've come to learn is a 
misnomer. 

855
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,360
They don't really mean like back
I was this. 

856
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,320
Back then, that means. 
I I am this, yeah, in a, in a 

857
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,560
another timeline. 
But where? 

858
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,360
Where do you? 
What do you think? 

859
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,800
About it. 
When I think too hard about it, 

860
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,160
it kind of hurts my brain. 
So apologies. 

861
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Yeah. 
Like quantum physics. 

862
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Someone tried to like explaining
quantum physics to me and I 

863
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,200
cried. 
I was like, I don't like it. 

864
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:19,600
I was getting psychic damage 
just like, But I think like, I 

865
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:24,720
very much think that it is very 
much the everywhere, everything,

866
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,880
all the time, whatever, 
whatever. 

867
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:34,000
Like where time is fake and made
by men, but perception of it is.

868
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,720
So I think that who am I to say 
what spirit actually is? 

869
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,840
I am just here to communicate 
what they have to say. 

870
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Like that's mostly my job. 
I'm the medium, shall we say, 

871
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,200
not like a psychic medium, but I
like to think that there are 

872
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,800
people who can kind of tap into 
those patterns or tap into that 

873
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,760
energy in the same way that 
people are really, really good 

874
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,800
at, like, algebra or really, 
really good at learning a new 

875
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,240
language. 
So I think it's more of like a 

876
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,840
yeah, like an energy that people
can be sensitive to. 

877
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,200
And whatever form that takes, I 
think is dependent on the 

878
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
situation and the things that 
have happened there indeed. 

879
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,720
What's your favorite type of 
divination tool if you had a 

880
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,520
tarot reader? 
Yeah, I'm a tarot reader. 

881
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,560
That is my go to. 
That's my classic. 

882
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,240
But other than that I really 
like fire scrying, which is 

883
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,560
using like a same to scry 
information. 

884
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,680
So it's kind of like. 
Yeah, go to. 

885
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Yeah, you have to. 
But yeah, everybody, you have to

886
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,760
break it. 
Down. 

887
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,520
I have no idea what that is. 
That's OK. 

888
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,680
So scrying is a practice often 
done with like a crystal ball. 

889
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,840
So when you see someone gazing 
into a crystal ball, they're 

890
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,880
looking for images to appear to 
them and for them to interpret 

891
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,760
that. 
That is 1 method of scrying. 

892
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Fire scrying I like a little bit
more because it involves like 

893
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,400
focusing your your attention on 
a flame and seeing what shapes 

894
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,640
like appear to you. 
I use a lot of movie references.

895
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,360
So if you guys have seen like 
the Chronicles of Narnia, like 

896
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,760
where they're like looking in 
the fireplace and then the lion 

897
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,720
comes out of like the embers. 
It's not like that exactly, but 

898
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:19,600
that is as close as I can get in
terms of like visually, this is 

899
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,960
kind of what it's supposed to 
be. 

900
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,400
So it's a, it's a practice that 
actually like dates back to like

901
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,440
the, well, ancient Greece and 
previous to that most likely in 

902
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,600
like Neolithic and Paleolithic 
culture, which is. 100% a 

903
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,800
hundred. 
Percent like thinking about. 

904
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Like you sit there, you like you
would sit there with a a client 

905
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,720
or with someone and you would 
like light something on fire in 

906
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,280
front of you or is it just a 
candle? 

907
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,760
Usually a candle. 
I, I don't really perform 

908
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,320
scrying for clients. 
It's not something, it's like a 

909
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,200
personal practice for myself. 
And I think it's, it's important

910
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,120
for practitioners to have kind 
of a divide. 

911
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,960
So I use tarot in general, like 
in my life and with other 

912
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,680
people, but kind of fire scrying
and that intense meditation and 

913
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,280
focus is something that I think 
is a little bit more personal 

914
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,160
and not something that I would 
necessarily like. 

915
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,920
While I could offer it as a 
service, I would not get the. 

916
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,920
I don't know, it just wouldn't 
be. 

917
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,000
It wouldn't be as fun for me, I 
think. 

918
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
But Tara, how long have you been
studying that? 

919
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,520
Man, I well, I conned my 
grandmother into buying me my 

920
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,600
first tarot deck at 13. 
So I, yeah, I saw it at a gift 

921
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,920
shop and she was like, you could
pick out anything you want. 

922
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,760
And I was like, bet, yeah, I was
like, I want that. 

923
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,240
And she was like, you don't want
a sketchbook. 

924
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,320
Like, yeah. 
Yeah. 

925
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,400
That yeah, I was like, no, give 
me the doc Magic. 

926
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,440
No. 
So I I learned on a very old 

927
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920
school tarot deck. 
It was actually a reproduction 

928
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,240
of one that was used in like 
Renaissance Italy. 

929
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,960
So it was not like the best for 
learning on because it didn't 

930
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,440
make a whole lot of sense. 
But I have since found other 

931
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,920
decks that have worked a little 
bit better. 

932
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,440
So I started teaching myself 
when I was a teenager and I'm 

933
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,960
now like 28. 
So I don't think that I would 

934
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,240
say that I have been 
professionally reading tarot 

935
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:17,000
cards for about 5 years, but 
even, well, maybe more than 

936
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,320
that. 
Jesus Christ, when did I? 

937
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Eight years? 
Oh my God. 

938
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Yeah, about 8 years that I've 
been reading for other people 

939
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,920
so. 
And do you like and how do you 

940
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,400
so you sort of self-taught you 
read books on it or you you 

941
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,040
watch other people do it? 
Do you get idea to you know, do 

942
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,760
you have teachers who are like, 
no, no, no, this is what do you 

943
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,160
ever read conflicting things 
where people are like, no, this 

944
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,600
card means this and this means 
that. 

945
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,280
And then how do you decide 
what's what? 

946
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800
So I tend to look, I pull 
information from a lot of 

947
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,640
different sources and then try 
to find like the like the common

948
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,920
denominator there. 
So I actually here I can show it

949
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,080
to you. 
Excuse me. 

950
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
I have a book here that I bought
when I was like 17. 

951
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,280
This is the key to the tarot. 
And it, this was written in 

952
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,760
1918. 
So this is like an old school. 

953
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:10,080
You can see it the copyright 
1918 and they have like here for

954
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,120
example a picture of the tarot 
card and what it means from 

955
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,560
1918. 
So I went through and I studied 

956
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,320
this book a lot. 
Most tarot decks come with their

957
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:25,400
own manual as well. 
And then I am a staunchly Gen. 

958
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Z, so YouTube was really 
helpful. 

959
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:33,960
And I feel like, like I, I know 
the meanings of the cards, like 

960
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,320
the traditional meanings, but 
there's also kind of an 

961
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,680
intuitive understanding that you
get when you use this tool so 

962
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,040
much. 
So I think it's a little bit of 

963
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,120
a combination of like practice 
of like, OK, this is what this 

964
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,360
symbol means in this context. 
And also feeling out the energy.

965
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,440
So it's not just I'm not just 
reading flash cards, like I'm 

966
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,040
like kind of understanding the 
the energy that's going into 

967
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,080
what I'm looking at as well. 
The symbols just kind of help me

968
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,520
piece together the story, if 
that makes sense. 

969
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,800
So do you have clients where 
they oh, sorry, John, one thing 

970
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,680
real quick. 
Do you have clients that come in

971
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,520
and you do a tower reading for 
them and it's like always the 

972
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640
same like you can't shake it, 
like they can't shake what 

973
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,280
they're hoping for. 
And it's like, look, man, I'm 

974
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,920
sorry. 
You're just like you're stuck in

975
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080
this. 
Yeah, So I, I kind of have a 

976
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,480
rule with clients like if they 
start like if they come in too 

977
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,840
regularly, I will just say no. 
Like if they are like every week

978
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,440
trying to because the cards are 
you're not going to change until

979
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,800
you do, right? 
So I think that, yes, there are 

980
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,080
certain and myself included, 
like patterns that we can get 

981
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,400
stuck in. 
But when that happens, like it 

982
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,080
is then kind of up to me to 
determine, OK, when does this 

983
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,120
not become a helpful tool for 
this person? 

984
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,480
Like when what is my like line 
there? 

985
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,760
And it's usually when they're 
like, but I just need to know 

986
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,280
about this, but I just need to 
know about this. 

987
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,440
Like if you just tell me this 
one piece of information, I'm 

988
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,560
like, I can't, I can't possibly 
know that. 

989
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,520
Like there's like, unfortunately
I am not like a like Google, I 

990
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,200
guess. 
Like I can't just plug things in

991
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,240
and be like, what is this? 
So when that happens, I try to 

992
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,960
maybe like counsel people, not 
counsel. 

993
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,120
That's not the right word 
because I'm not like giving them

994
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,440
official advice by any means. 
But we work with other spiritual

995
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,680
solutions. 
Like, hey, man, like I see that 

996
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,520
you're stuck in this anxiety 
spiral. 

997
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,840
Like, yeah, we can, we can read 
tarot cards and we can also do 

998
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,560
like I can offer you some 
crystals. 

999
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,120
But like, here's a number for a 
therapist because I think this 

1000
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,280
is actually what's going to help
you. 

1001
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,920
Like this is like the most 
important card that you're 

1002
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,840
getting today. 
So I think. 

1003
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,720
It'd be funny if you, it'd be 
funny if you pulled it out of 

1004
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,160
the deck like. 
So I what's? 

1005
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,640
This doctor? 
I made a TikTok last week and 

1006
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,280
this actually happened to me. 
I like started therapy and they 

1007
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,440
gave me like my information 
packet with, with all the 

1008
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,840
resources and stuff in it, 
right? 

1009
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,160
And I had thrown all this into 
my bag because I was rushing. 

1010
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,520
I threw my tarot deck in there 
and I went to go grab it and 

1011
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,080
literally the like crisis 
center, like do you need help? 

1012
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,600
You're not alone. 
Like Call Us Now was like 

1013
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,400
sticking out of my deck and I I 
made a TikTok about it. 

1014
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,240
So like, that has happened to me
purely out of my own laziness, I

1015
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,680
think, But it was really funny. 
Or yeah, or it speaks to. 

1016
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,720
It indeed. 
John, sorry I cut you off 

1017
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,560
before. 
No, so it's it's all good, Gary.

1018
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,680
So Beck, listen, have you 
polished up, you know a bronze 

1019
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880
scrying? 
Mariette took a deep look into 

1020
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,720
it and said, Yo, I am a witch 
and I am going after the 

1021
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,160
government. 
Have you done that yet? 

1022
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:42,640
Because what you're doing, this 
entire thing is so epic, it's 

1023
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,480
not even funny. 
And listen, I know you're being 

1024
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,680
humble. 
I know you're being humble and 

1025
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,920
you're saying all these other 
witches that have come before 

1026
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,440
you. 
But let me tell you something. 

1027
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,560
You're going it's this is the 
opposite. 

1028
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,800
This is you taking the fight to 
them. 

1029
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,880
And I think that is epic. 
Thank you so much. 

1030
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,720
I just I. 
Just have to say it again. 

1031
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,800
I think it's incredible, you 
know? 

1032
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,200
But have you had that 
conversation with yourself yet? 

1033
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,400
Like literally took a deep look 
in and went, this is what I'm 

1034
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,960
doing and I'm not gonna stop. 
Yeah, I, I had to have a pretty 

1035
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,800
deep conversation with myself 
about halfway, like maybe I 

1036
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,320
would say like this time last 
year of like, no, you have to 

1037
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,920
finish this man. 
Like you have to do this. 

1038
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Like, no, like I, I don't know 
how else to put it. 

1039
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,240
Like it's just like this is, 
this is the path. 

1040
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,440
So you have to walk it until 
it's done. 

1041
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,320
So I, I think that I've, like, 
not to be like, I've always 

1042
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,920
known that something like this 
was going to happen, but I've 

1043
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,280
always had, like, weird shit 
like this happened to me, like 

1044
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,280
my grandparents when I was 13 
because I was getting into 

1045
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,600
witchcraft and, like, 
Evanescence, I guess. 

1046
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,440
Like, they literally believed I 
was possessed by the devil and, 

1047
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,360
like, tried to perform an 
exorcism on me. 

1048
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,840
Like, yeah, yeah. 
My brother's birthday party. 

1049
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,640
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I'm sorry that happened. 

1050
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,680
To you don't apologize, because 
you know what? 

1051
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,880
That's what made me be able to 
look the police chief in the 

1052
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,000
face and say, try to like, do 
you know what I mean? 

1053
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,280
Yes, yes, I know. 
All of these things, yeah, all 

1054
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,440
of these things that have 
happened to me or that I've had 

1055
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
to gone go through, I think 
we're kind of like leading up 

1056
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,320
to, OK, this is like what you're
supposed to do in this iteration

1057
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,360
of yourself. 
So I don't know if this is like 

1058
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,960
my true purpose. 
Like I don't, I don't profess to

1059
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,800
be like, like this could have 
happened to anybody, but it 

1060
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,160
happened to me. 
So. 

1061
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:42,640
Yeah, right, right. 
So that's why it's it has to be 

1062
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,680
done. 
You know, so what's your? 

1063
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,480
What's your? 
Tarot card what? 

1064
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,080
What's the tarot card you'd pull
right now that would represent 

1065
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,120
this current state of your legal
battle? 

1066
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,640
Current state of my legal 
battle, dude, Oh my God, fucking

1067
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,560
8 of wands reversed. 
It is so I am in stagnant hell, 

1068
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,080
dude. 
They like so the basically 

1069
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,240
Pennsylvania doesn't want this 
case to go to trial. 

1070
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,320
Like they keep trying to like 
dismiss it like they keep trying

1071
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,760
to like the judge randomly 
retired and then the case got 

1072
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,160
kicked back to the begin. 
Like it they like I'm, I'm like 

1073
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,040
in the doldrums, right? 
Like I'm just waiting for the 

1074
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,240
next step. 
And I've been in this like 

1075
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:29,560
waiting stage since like August 
of last year of of 2024. 

1076
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,280
So I. 
So it's the eight. 

1077
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Yeah, the 8 of wands reversed, 
which is kind of like things 

1078
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,800
like slowing down, which is just
means it's upside down. 

1079
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Cards have different meanings 
whether however you're looking 

1080
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,880
at them. 
But yes, I would say definitely 

1081
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,160
just like kind of in the I'm in 
the swamps of it all. 

1082
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,560
Think of a think of a tray who 
stuck but not sinking. 

1083
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,680
Right. 
Exactly. 

1084
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Exactly. 
Trey, you. 

1085
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,600
Yeah, Trey, you from, you know, 
Never Ending Story, you know the

1086
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,400
horse and I got it. 
Why I don't give up on. 

1087
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,840
I mean, some of our younger 
viewers might not understand 

1088
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,120
that reference. 
They might not. 

1089
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,280
It's great. 
Yes, You know, right. 

1090
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,760
So what's your favorite crystal?
If you had to pick a crystal, 

1091
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,840
one that let's Yeah, like so 
let's say you were able to get a

1092
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,720
massive like, you know, 500 
grams crystal to put in your as 

1093
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,920
soon you walk into your house, 
what would you want on display? 

1094
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,520
I would probably pick 
labradorite. 

1095
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:37,520
I I love labradorite the the 
flash on it like the the way 

1096
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,080
that it looks. 
I am such a sucker for 

1097
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,280
labradorite. 
I think it's so. 

1098
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,880
Pretty cool. 
I have no idea what that looks. 

1099
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,040
I have to look. 
That up, it looks like. 

1100
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,440
Yeah. 
You should look it up. 

1101
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,600
It's really pretty. 
It has like this really gorgeous

1102
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,240
flash. 
It reminds me of like dragon 

1103
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,960
scales or something. 
Like yeah. 

1104
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,920
Labrador like the dog? 
Labrador Light. 

1105
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,400
Labradorite. 
Yep. 

1106
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,520
Labradorite. 
Yeah. 

1107
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,320
Is that that, you know, that's a
good one because then you could 

1108
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,040
pick the lighting and you could 
pick how, you know, like how it 

1109
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,880
you could pick how it perceives 
when you're walking from one 

1110
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,560
side to another. 
It's right. 

1111
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,600
Yeah, Mr. Crystal, I don't know.
You look at you could. 

1112
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,320
I didn't know you could take the
Pepsi challenge of crystals, 

1113
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,680
John. 
And you know, that's what 

1114
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,440
listen, listen, I've got, I got 
a little bit of the tisms. 

1115
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,120
I pick up rocks off the ground 
and put them in my pocket every.

1116
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,520
Now listen. 
Yeah, Let me tell you something.

1117
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,920
Yeah. 
You know, Hell yeah. 

1118
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,080
No, I actually I have a fondness
for. 

1119
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,560
I used to have a huge crystal 
collection that the spirits here

1120
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,280
destroyed, which is a whole 
other story. 

1121
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1122
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,600
Yeah. 
And then I started and then the 

1123
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,760
ones that, the ones that 
survived, I ended up just 

1124
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,000
mailing them out to my followers
saying here, I can't keep these 

1125
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,600
anymore because they're going to
get destroyed. 

1126
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Yeah, no, it's the whole thing. 
But oh, yeah, I love rocks, 

1127
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,400
crystals, minerals, all that fun
stuff. 

1128
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,360
You know, my, I love Citrine. 
I think that's just a very 

1129
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,480
pretty one. 
I like that. 

1130
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,720
I like that style of quartz, 
amethyst. 

1131
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,880
I'm a sucker for the classics 
and clear. 

1132
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,920
Quartz, yeah. 
Clear. 

1133
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,480
There's something about clear 
quartz. 

1134
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Yeah. 
The fact that you could take 

1135
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,520
clear quartz, two of them, and 
bang them together and you get a

1136
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,120
spark, you know, I just love it.
Trading those electrons, you 

1137
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,600
know, it's. 
I don't know. 

1138
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,000
Yeah, it really is. 
The Queen. 

1139
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,960
The Queen of Crystals, indeed. 
Yeah, yeah, 100% God. 

1140
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:32,160
So if you had to pick a book, a 
book for somebody to read that 

1141
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,520
is up and coming into witchcraft
or discovering their 

1142
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,520
spirituality, what would you 
direct them to? 

1143
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,800
What would be their your go to 
for them? 

1144
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,120
So I have two answers to this. 
Other than the United States 

1145
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,400
Constitution that you need to 
clearly know, number one, yeah, 

1146
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,920
to know your rights. 
So there are two books that I 

1147
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,600
really like right now. 
The first one is called Year of 

1148
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,800
the Witch by Temperance Alden. 
It talks about how to create 

1149
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,480
your own practice based on the 
seasons, but not necessarily the

1150
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
wheel of the year. 
Because depending on where 

1151
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,880
you're living in the in the 
United States, like it may not 

1152
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,000
like the, the things that we're 
doing in March for the spring 

1153
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,600
equinox, you might have done 
like three months ago because 

1154
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,600
you're living in Florida and now
it's summer time. 

1155
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,200
Do you know what I mean? 
So it's kind of like it's great 

1156
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,000
for anybody anywhere, even in 
the Southern Hemisphere. 

1157
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,440
Like I have a lot of folks who 
are Australian who are like on 

1158
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,200
the opposite timeline of us, you
know. 

1159
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,680
So it's kind of like, well, this
is good for anybody. 

1160
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,600
The other one that I really, 
really like is called Psychic 

1161
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,600
Witch by Matt Orin, and it 
sounds like a little bit 

1162
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,000
advanced, like what do you mean?
Am I going to be moving things 

1163
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,320
with my mind? 
No, it's mostly like protecting 

1164
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,480
your energy and kind of learning
how to interact with energetic 

1165
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,760
fields or people or situations 
in the world around you. 

1166
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,040
So it has a lot of good, like 
protection. 

1167
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,120
It has a lot of good instruction
on connecting with your 

1168
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,520
intuition and really getting 
into the foundations of that. 

1169
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,360
So I think these two books, 
whether it is if you're more 

1170
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,880
into like nature and stuff, the 
year of the witch is is great. 

1171
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
But if you're more into the like
science and mental and maybe 

1172
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,360
less of the you don't like dirt 
so much, maybe the the psychic 

1173
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,560
witch 1. 
So yeah. 

1174
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Awesome. 
Well, this is great this. 

1175
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,160
Is great. 
This is great. 

1176
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,120
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

1177
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,480
Thank you so much for your time.
Where, where could people find 

1178
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,400
you? 
Totally. 

1179
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,760
We'll put all this stuff. 
We'll put this stuff up. 

1180
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,240
I know you're on TikTok, you're 
on Instagram. 

1181
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,800
Yeah, I'm all over the place 
the. 

1182
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,640
Stitching Witch is that what it 
is as? 

1183
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,320
The stitching witch, I got my 
degree in fashion design, so 

1184
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,040
I've had that handle for a 
little bit. 

1185
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,280
But I yeah, so everywhere on 
Instagram as the stitching witch

1186
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,600
with underscores, TikTok as the 
stitching witch. 

1187
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,240
I have a YouTube channel that I 
haven't updated it a little bit,

1188
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,000
but if anyone wants to find 
longer form content about 

1189
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,160
witchcraft from like 2 years 
ago, I did a series where I did 

1190
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,360
a video every day for an entire 
year. 

1191
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,760
So if they're interested, 
there's like 400 of them. 

1192
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,960
Then it's a long year. 
It is a long year, dude. 

1193
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,480
Then there what else I have. 
The shop is under the Serpent's 

1194
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,560
key on Instagram and Facebook 
just for like the local folks as

1195
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,640
well. 
So yeah, all. 

1196
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,800
Right. 
Well, cool, I will put it. 

1197
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,400
I'm gonna put all those up for 
us. 

1198
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,880
They'll be in our BIOS and 
everything else. 

1199
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,320
Yeah, I'll shoot you next time 
I'm in the area. 

1200
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,160
I'll shoot you a message back on
on TikTok and we'll. 

1201
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,040
We'll, we'll get together. 
Wherever. 

1202
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,640
Yeah, awesome. 
Sounds good. 

1203
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,520
Thank. 
You so much good luck with this 

1204
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,440
case. 
We will certainly be following 

1205
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,760
it. 
Keep us posted. 

1206
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,120
Thank you. 
It is an amazing thing you're 

1207
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,040
doing that you know it's not. 
You don't just have to be a 

1208
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,360
witch to to appreciate it. 
I mean, it's just anybody else, 

1209
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,560
right To just do their thing and
it's like to be bothered. 

1210
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Yeah, I'll tell you what I have 
where's. 

1211
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,160
Common sense. 
Where's the common? 

1212
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,080
Sense I've had a lot of folks 
who, you know, come in with 

1213
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,920
their red MAGA hats and stuff 
and will come in and say, hey, I

1214
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,480
don't really understand what 
you're doing here or like what 

1215
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,400
you have going on, but I will 
fight for your right to do it. 

1216
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,720
And that's literally like all 
they say and they walk out and 

1217
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,920
I'm like cool, man, like I, I, I
guess that's cool. 

1218
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,520
So it's good to like see that 
this is it's a non partisan 

1219
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,640
issue. 
Like it could have happened. 

1220
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,080
It is kind of something that I 
think we all can agree like, 

1221
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,960
hey, that's probably not an OK 
thing to have happen. 

1222
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,120
So I think it's as negative as 
it could have been. 

1223
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,600
I'm very grateful for the 
positivity that this has kind of

1224
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,000
has yielded because I think it 
has given people an opportunity 

1225
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,080
not only to understand a little 
bit more what we do here and 

1226
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,720
like what witchcraft actually 
is, but has given us the 

1227
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,760
opportunity to be the face and 
say like, no, we're not actually

1228
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,160
scary evil people. 
Like you're allowed to come here

1229
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,480
and I'm not going to bite your 
head off if you, you know, ask 

1230
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,000
me a silly question, quote UN 
quote because I don't believe it

1231
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,240
off so. 
No, no. 

1232
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,200
I'm with you. 
I wish you the best of luck. 

1233
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,000
Listen, thank you so much for 
your time. 

1234
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Of course, of course. 
It was truly a pleasure. 

1235
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Thank you guys, I appreciate it.
I will see you soon. 

1236
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,240
Yeah, definitely. 
Well, that's it for another 

1237
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,320
episode of Splintered Spirits. 
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1238
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,480
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1239
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,160
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