If you had to pick a book, a book for for somebody to read
that is up and coming into witchcraft, they're discovering
their spirituality, what would you direct them to?
What would be their your go to for them?
So I have two answers to this. Other than the United States
Constitution, Welcome to Splintered Spirits podcast
hosted by me, Gary and my nephew John Santa from Santa
Paranormal. Usually on this show we talk
about the past, haunting the present spirits, energy and
splintered memories. But today we're talking about a
very literal ghost. We are looking at a law from
1861 written during the Civil War that crawled out of the
history books in 2023 to haunt the business owner in Hanover,
PA. It sounds like fiction, but it
is very real. We are talking about a police
chief 160 year old ban on fortune telling and the threat
of arrest for simply reading tarot cards.
Our guest today didn't back down.
Instead of closing up shop, they took the fight to the courts.
Beck Ravenswood is the owner and operator of the Serpent's Key
Shop and Sanctuary, a space dedicated to exploring earth
based spirituality in Hanover, PA.
Beck has been studying witchcraft since their teens and
is here to tell us what happens when the legal system tries to
put magic on trial. Let's dive into the conversation
back. Welcome to splintered spirits.
Hi, thanks so much for having me and and being interested in my
story. How could anybody not be
interested? In my story, how could anybody?
Oh my gosh. You guys are too nice.
I'm just a little guy, I promise.
I'm just some random guy in Pennsylvania.
Yeah, you know what? No, you're not anymore.
Now you're now you're someone who's who's witchy sauce is
going to be all over the place. You know, that's what we're
we're trying at least trying to like make that community more
open for, yes. So Beck, before we get into this
story for everybody, I just want let's get a little background on
you. So how tell us about your
experience, how you became a witch, how you sort of fell into
it? What?
Yeah. What's your background like?
Now everyone, no one believes me when I say this, but the reason
that I got into witchcraft and Wicca was actually because of
Scooby-doo. Scooby Dooby Doo.
Yeah, 1000% So in in like 2001 or 2002 there was a movie that
went out called Scooby-doo and the witches ghost and one of the
like characters they were in this like goth girl band called
the. Oh, the hex witches.
Yeah. The Hex witches, that is.
So let me tell you, I love that. I'm sorry to cut you off.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Yeah. OK.
There's a scene where Thorn goes, we're not witches, we're
wicked. And that like seared itself into
my brain at the tender age of like 10 and then.
Oh my God. Given, you know, it was the
early 2000s, so I had unlimited unsupervised access to the
Internet, So I kind of fell down this really like wonderful,
weird little rabbit hole. What did your parents think?
They were not stoked. They definitely were like hey So
what the fuck is this? Sorry I'm not sure if I'm not to
you. Know.
No, you could swear it's fine. You could curse, yeah.
So there's definitely there has been in my life like a lot of
like resistance to that. Like, I don't speak to a lot of
my family kind of because of that.
What's the background there? What's their what's their faith
in? So my, it's kind of all over the
place. My father is from Puerto Rico,
so Catholicism is like really deep in the, in the culture
there for sure. However, they moved here and I
grew up in Virginia. So you have a lot more of the
like Baptist evangelical kind of faith worship aspect.
So they were kind of like this very hardcore Catholic
Christian, like weird amalgamation of like, here's
what you should believe in and all of it is something you
should fear. And then my mom is Jewish, so
she doesn't really care so much. Like she's kind of like, this is
not really something I know about, but you know, live and
let live. I'm just you do you, kind of.
She's the. Jewish.
The Jewish faith is deep in mysticism.
Deep. I mean, they have their own
book, the Kabbalah. Yeah, yeah.
So have to study so much to even be able to to understand that.
So I think that she was kind of, she was, she like understood
where I was coming from and probably thought it was like,
oh, something I would grow out of, you know, like as a
teenager. And Yep, here I am, so not.
OK, so all right, so, so you have that going on.
You've discovered this out of a scooby-doo movie, which is fun,
but but that's like kids stuff, right?
And then you're sort of fascinated by the look and the
vibe and the and the whole thing.
When did you make a connection with what it really meant to be
Wiccan and that sort of spirituality?
When did that hit? You.
So maybe a couple years later, I actually initiated myself into
Wicca at 13 years old on my 13th birthday.
I was like. Sacrifice something.
Dude only no, I'm just kidding. I'm a I'm a vegetarian, so
nothing, nothing fun. At least some carrots or some
beets. I actually, I think I made like
tea and and bread tea cakes and ale is like what you're supposed
to, to like offer, but I was not able to buy beer.
So that's great. I was like, here's what I can
do. And I studied a lot of like the
like old school, like Wicca, like people like Raymond
Buckland. I did read a little bit of like
Starhawk, the Spiral Dance, a lot of the stuff that was coming
out in the 70s. But I really got like hooked, I
guess, or like was really interested and initiated myself
through into Wicca through silver Raven wolfs book like
teen witch or whatever. So very 90s, like very, very
much a like a framework. It was kind of like this is
Wicca for teenagers. Like it was, it was very
brilliant and approachable. While I don't necessarily follow
the same path, I'm not a Wiccan myself anymore.
I just found it was organized religion and I don't quite get
along. I like to say sure.
I agree. Look, you're talking to you're
preaching to the choir these, you're talking to two like
Italians who grew up Catholic or atheists these things so.
We I hear that? I hear the idea.
So, so all right, so you're in height.
What was that like in Now? Are you in Virginia at this
point still or are you in Pennsylvania?
So I I was in Virginia at that point still, and I didn't really
talk a whole lot about my spirituality.
Like I think I was maybe the only Wiccan, like in school.
Like I Yeah. What was high school like in
Virginia as a Wiccan? I just, it was not great, right?
And I, I can't complain. I mean, high school is high
school is high school, dude. Like when you're scared, it
doesn't matter if you're a Wiccan or not.
It's just kind of like I was a weird drama kid.
So I'm not sure that like correlation and causation aren't
necessarily there. I got, I really stepped into
and, and became more of a public witch in college when I was able
to like, start reading tarot cards for other people.
And that's kind of like where I started to learn.
I would just sit in the back of bars and like have people pay me
for beer money basically. Like sure.
You know, and where was this? Where'd you go to school?
I went to Stevenson University right outside Baltimore.
So it's like a really small like liberal arts college.
And I got my very useful degree in fashion designs.
So I don't know. I do really like it and I think
it has helped me with like the store owner like aspect of what
I do. But that's kind of where I would
say like things started to incubate.
And then after I graduated college is really like when I
started getting into like the true witchcraft spaces, like
following the pandemic and stuff when I had moved to Pennsylvania
to because I got a job. Obviously that job didn't work
out, but I'm still here, right? And I realized I was like, look,
there's no places for, there are no places for witches to really
gather, so. So did you have a community
before we get because I'm fascinated by the whole thing.
So how did did you find a community in Pennsylvania when
you first went there for a job of other people that had these
interests or you still on your sort of on your own?
It kind of felt isolated, like I knew a few stores and like I
live pretty close to Gettysburg, PA, which is incredibly haunted,
has a lot of like the very witchy paranormal like energy
and has a lot of metaphysical stores.
So I started going there, but they didn't have like gatherings
kind of like what I wanted. So one day while I was in jury
duty and had nothing better to do, I came up with this idea of
celebrating and publicly celebrating the Wheel of the
Year, which is a series of eight holidays kind of spaced out
throughout the seasons. So in 2021, I kind of, I started
that we met at a local park, honestly and like had a picnic
to be super real and did like a little prayer and even that we
were kind of getting like stares at.
So it's definitely always been a testy subject it seems no matter
where I'm at. Well, sure, it's something that
I'm like, well, I don't know how how else to be.
So you guys are going to have to deal with that one.
All right. So did you use it to get out of
jury duty by chance? Did you say hey?
I wish, I wish. No I didn't.
I they didn't want me anyways. So I sat there for like 8 hours
and then they were like, here's $12.00.
Good luck, you know? All right, so you, you start to
develop a community there. You're in Pennsylvania, you're
working somewhere, but it didn't work out or when did you?
So then when did you decide to become?
This is your store. Correct, yes.
So I started the Serpent's Key in 2023.
I had quit a kind of my dead end job, I like to say.
And then I started working at a tattoo shop.
And while I have tattoos, I don't do it myself.
I don't like needles, I don't like blood.
I'm really good at making schedules though, so sure I like
answered the phone and I did all of that and the tattoo artist
there really helped me get my store off the ground and really
provided a really strong foundation.
So I'm really. Really taught you how to be a
small business owner. Yeah, I learned a lot.
Yeah, my parents are small business owners.
My dad's a dentist and my mom kind of ran his practice, so
I've always been kind of around entrepreneurs, not anything like
this. This is very different than root
canals, but maybe spiritual root canals, I guess That's great,
but all right. So you open the shop and it's
been and just remind us, where in Pennsylvania exactly are you
still outside of Gettysburg? Or yes, we're about 20 minutes
away from Gettysburg. We're in Hanover, PA.
If you ever have seen like Snyder's of Hanover pretzels,
that's us. So it's, it's a really small,
like rural Pennsylvania town. And it's kind of.
I looked it up and the the crime there is super low super.
Low. Are they coming after me?
Violent crime is really low. Theft is Theft is relatively
high. Yeah, because.
We are just on average because people are so.
Safe that they don't lock their cars and then they get, you
know. Stuck, but it's incredibly
quiet. I mean, I looked this, I mean, I
looked it up because I wanted to see why you were getting so all
right. So how long were you open when
and then start getting us into this thing?
How was the shop? How was the shop doing?
You had your story, you had a grand opening.
How? How are you doing business wise?
So back in 2023, like the incidents that we're talking
about today actually happened before I was even officially
open. So I had not even been open.
Like my grand opening was supposed to be on like Halloween
of that year. And this happened on the 3rd of
October. So it's kind of like I wasn't
even, I was just doing preliminary like, hey, guess
what, I'm painting the walls and I'm looking for vendors and I'm,
you know, I'm doing these things.
And then that kind of, I guess got around on social media and,
and all that good stuff. So, yeah.
But since then, so we opened in 2023 and then I mean, we're
about to celebrate three years of being open in 2026.
So I'm I'm pleasantly surprised with the trajectory indeed.
Has now so this happened. You had a you opened with what
we're about to get into going on, right?
Is that the that is crazy? All right, so tell, all right.
Let's get into it. Let's get into it, Beck.
What? What?
So you're sitting in your shop. You're getting you're getting
things ready. Let's go.
Indeed, indeed. All right, So I, if we want to
walk down memory lane in October of 2023, I was getting my, my
shop set up, like doing all the painting, getting all the
permits, like doing all the stuff when I, I got an e-mail
from a nonprofit that I had been working with called Main Street
Hanover. And what they do is essentially
like promote and talk about small businesses in our historic
downtown, which is where my, my, my shop is located.
So they, you know, they do promos.
They, they're, they're great. It's a great, like, I don't
know, just organization to have they had written an article
about my shop that had gone out in October because, you know,
it's a spooky shop like things are, you know, like it it it was
a poignant time for for things to to be to talk about my shop
essentially. So October 3rd in the morning.
I remember because it was a Tuesday and it was my day off.
It's my. Birthday I you know, right, Look
at that. I love it.
Happy birthday leaper season. I basically, I, I had gone into
therapy and I came out, I checked my e-mail and I got a
letter or like an e-mail from the organizer of the nonprofit
that said like, hey, so I don't want to alarm you, But the
police chief of Hanover just gave me a call and said that he
read our article. And because of it, he's going to
be stopping by either himself or one of his officers or both,
just to let you know that tarot reading is illegal and that,
like, you know, you can go to jail for this in Pennsylvania.
And I was like, OK, like, cool, man.
Like, what are you talking about?
Like, that's stupid. Actually.
Like, this is insane. Like, do I need to turn right
back around and go into therapy? Because this is not at all like
what I was expecting to read. And just just just so people
know, right, we are talking about this old law is. 1800s,
right? Yeah.
So it's from title, I think the law is.
Correct me if. I'm wrong back Title 18 Section
71 O four of the Pennsylvania consolidated statutes titled
fortune telling and it dates back to 1861 and it classifieds
fortune telling as a third degree misdemeanor.
And it and it says, if a person pretends for for gain or lucre
to tell fortunes or predict future events by cards, tokens,
the inspection of the head or hands of any person, or in any
other manner, and the penalty of this, the violation can result
in 6 to 12 months in prison and a fine of up to $2500.
Per person, per events. Yeah, per.
Offense per so if it's yes per offense.
So I could theoretically be thrown into jail for like, you
know, a million years if I had a million clients or whatever.
OK. And we're going to talk about
this law a little bit more too, but it's all right.
So you're sitting in. Did they ever show up?
So yes, about two days later, the police chief of Hanover
himself and another unnamed officer who like this.
Is Chad police? This is Police Chief Chad
Martin. Correct.
Yes, Yes, Sir. So he came in like in his little
Hanover. It wasn't like the official
police uniform, but it was like the polo, it said Hanover
Borough Department. And he had his service weapon I
believe as to what I can remember on on his side.
So it wasn't like the vest like with the body Cam and stuff, but
a little. More slightly more casual, but
he's still obviously a police officer.
Correct. And they were both dressed the
exact same like so it was a uniform like there, unless they
were just really matching the khakis that day.
I don't know, man. So anyways, himself and another
officer kind of came in and like backed me to the back of the
shop and I asked them like, hey, man, like because this is a
police interaction. Like I, I, I'm going to, I need
to record this. And they said, no, you're not
allowed to record this. This is a, this, we're not here
from the police. This is a personal conversation
to which I said, OK, well, I'm not going to talk to you unless
my lawyer's present in that case.
And they said, well, we're just trying to have an adult
conversation, so it would really behoove you to listen to us.
And I said, OK, Sir, in the, in the what?
Like in the, in wanting to be an adult about this, I'm willing to
hear you out. And then I, I shut up after
that. I didn't really say anything.
He basically like stated the law to me and he said that while he
had not gotten any reports at that point, that the second that
he did, he would be back and that I would be thrown in jail.
And that I would face the full consequences of the law now in
my shop. Because I really do believed in
informed consent. Because I am not trying to prey
on people because I don't have time for that.
Honestly, I have these really big disclaimers around the shop
that say like, I am not a doctor, I am not, this is not
legal advice. Like I am not a psychologist.
Like I went to fucking art school dog.
And I don't think anyone thinks otherwise to be really real with
you. Right.
It's the idea of whether you believe we, John and I were just
talking about this, Whether you believe in this or not, you sort
of have to say it's for entertainment purposes only, so
people don't. Sue, don't sue me.
Which like, fine. You know how many other stupid
things that I have to do in order to like?
Fine. If that is really like what it
comes down to, I'm willing to put those signs up.
So did. So, all right, I'm sorry to
interrupt you go. Ahead.
No, it's OK. Prior, prior to all of this I
had actually gone to a couple local like shops in town that
offer tarot. Like, I have had my cards read
at other stores in Gettysburg and the surrounding areas.
And when I asked them, I was like, hey, how do you get around
this weird old law? They and I think this woman like
jinxed me, dude. She looked at me and she held my
hands and she goes, oh, honey, I've been in business longer
than you've been alive and I've never had any problems with
that. If you're worried about it, just
put a sign up. And I was like, something's
gonna happen, man. Like I just knew in.
She might have been the one. She may have been the one to
call the police. She didn't want the she didn't
want the competition. I think so.
We have a good rapport. But like I yeah, it was
definitely, I think it was the article above all else that
really. So, But what did a lawyer tell
you? Did putting that sign up?
Does that squash the case? So we're not, no, unfortunately
it doesn't. So he, when I told him I was
like, well, I have these pieces of paper, he looked at me.
He goes, those little pieces of paper will never hold up in
court. And I said, OK.
And then I immediately like prior to this, I had called a
lawyer and they were like nothing, nothing is going to
come of this. Like this is nothing like this
is just call us back if he actually shows up.
So when he did show up, I didn't call those people back because
they ignored me the first time. And I I got in touch with a
really wonderful civil rights lawyer who basically her name's
Alexa. And she basically was like, hey,
did you know that your first and 14th Amendment rights were just
like majorly violated by a, like, government employee?
And I was like, yeah, I guess she goes, you need to be more
angry about that. And I was like, OK, like, so,
yeah, we've been fighting the borough essentially like asking
them to say like, we're not going to arrest you because we
see that this law is stupid. And they, like will not back
down on that. They're like, no, we have to
follow the law to. The letter So in order for us to
like, not arrest you, you have to like get the law struck from
the books. And I'm like, OK, cool word.
All right, so now you are, this is sort of the first, there's no
trial per SE. Obviously this is sort of the
first witch trial, but you're like what I'm thinking that by
the by a witch attacking the state.
Or the gas. Now listen, there have there
have been other witches that before me.
This is, I come from a long line of like loudmouth witches.
Now I'm just gonna there are some really incredible people
who have been activists in the since the 70s.
One of my favorite witches who who's still alive actually right
now is Selena Fox. And she like she was one of the
first women in the 1970s to say, Hey, witchcraft isn't evil
actually. Like this is earth based
spirituality. And she was on like the BBC
talking about it in a time where that was unheard of.
So yes, while there might be yes, the witch is turning the
narrative, I think that it's a long history of that as well.
And I, I'm hoping just to be a successful part of that at the
very least, you know? Well, look, you know the law
we're talking about. First of all, if you know if
there's any truth to it was was clear.
I guess it's debatable, but probably not.
It's it's clearly like a racist law.
Correct SO. Designed to attack gypsies.
Correct the. Romani vagrants and travelling
around indeed, and it was just highly focused on them and
getting them out of town, correct.
So you know how it holds water for?
A small business owner. Today doesn't matter, and now I
understand. So there was a bill right in
June of this year that was supposed to repeal.
This law? Yes.
What? Happened there.
So we got it through the judiciary like vote essentially
for it to go to the floor. I was like unaware that this was
happening until I reached out to the representative and I was
like, hello, I don't know if you know who I am, but I have a
feeling that you do if this is the law that you're trying to
pass right now. So, lol, can I come say hi?
Like please? So I got to go to the House of
Representatives and kind of stand in front of this huge like
Judiciary Committee that decided whether or not the bill was
going to go to the House floor. Now, since then, I believe that
it's been tabled for right now. And hopefully, if we can get
folks to like call the, Oh my gosh, the Speaker of the House,
the majority speaker of the House, they will be able to
bring it to the House of Representatives for further
voting. But it has to be introduced like
this year. So I'm, I'm hoping that it goes
through, but it kind of seems like the judicial process is
going to be like the prime way to get this repealed.
But it's nice to have two prongs of government kind of working on
it at the same time. So whichever 1 happens first,
I'm happy with. What you know, I guess what's my
question here? It's is it, what is your
approach to this? Is it from all angles, like I'm
a small business owner and they're hurting my business?
Or is it freedom of religion? Or is it?
What is? I was going to say it's kind of
a combo. So what are the?
Targets or what's your lawyer doing, you know?
So right now we're kind of, we are defining tarot reading as
protected economic speech. That is the that is the term
that she's been using. So yes, it does have to do with
a lot of things with religious freedom 100% with all business
owning. How dare the government tell me
what I can do and not do in my in my own establishment, right.
And it is kind of like, again, the economic speech, like you
cannot, like you cannot legally interfere with things that are
either religious in nature or are it's, it's the freedom of
speech of, of just me talking, right?
So it is kind of a, it's a multifaceted issue that really
ultimately comes down to the redundancy of the law because in
Pennsylvania, this law has never been prosecuted on its own.
It's only ever been tacked on to cases of major, major, major
fraud. And I'm talking like hundreds of
thousands of dollars. And if their flavor of scam was
fortune telling, this law can add more time or more of a
penalty, however, has never independently been or
successfully independently been prosecuted against a single
person. So for them to pull this random
law out of like a hat with nothing else like to say that
I'm being, you know, I'm telling people that they must like pay
me $10,000 or else I will not list the like.
I don't if I isn't that. Is it just me?
Is it just me this whole situation, does it not feel like
there's something else behind the scenes?
So hear me out. I go to I go to Gettysburg all
the time, right? I just got back from Gettysburg.
So when when I'm going to come, I would like to come visit you
and check out the shop the next time I'm I'm in the area
probably like February March, right?
It almost seems like now handover it doesn't have You're
the first shop of its kind in there, right?
So we were actually one of five that have that were in Hanover.
Yeah. So I really don't know what his
issue was. There was so.
Now, so wait, hold on, the other shops, are they still in
existence? No.
OK, so or they have I'm wondering.
Yeah. I'm wondering on an economic
scale, if this is a play of the area.
So, for example, Gettysburg is not only known, as you said,
it's not only known for its ghosts shops, but every time I
go to, I mean ghosts and whatnot, every time I go to
Gettysburg, I forget my spirit board.
And what do I do? I go into town and I walk into
one of the the shops and I pick up the spirit board right every
time. Now I wonder if this whole thing
is to stop people like me from going to hand over.
Instead, Oh my goodness, that would be some sort.
That would be a crazy. I hope not.
Oh my goodness. I hope not.
But listen, I, I know how small towns and businesses work, and a
lot of them work that way where it's like, OK, here, this is
allowed because of the economic setup we have for our area.
But don't wait. You're not allowed to do it
there and you're not allowed to do it here.
That's because this whole thing is ridiculous.
What they're doing to you is ridiculous and makes no sense.
Yeah. Well, thank you, because
sometimes I'm like maybe it is me, like maybe I did not you
like maybe it's because I say together and have tattoos like I
don't know dog well that. Well, I was going to ask you,
Beck, what is what is that town like?
I mean, is it a, are they against, you know, just sort of
how you identify not only just as a witch, but as a person, you
know? You know, Hanover is a really it
is the most interesting place I have ever lived in my entire
life. And that is prop Sounds weird
for a small town. I think I'm a little bit
insulated. I do know that there is kind of
some, some folks who don't like us too much or who maybe don't
like our spiritual path or don't like that there are a lot of
like queer or gay and like trans folks like in my community or
think that we're a little bit odd.
But I will say I have been surprised by the amount of
people who've been so supportive because when this happened, it
was like every single like suburban mom in the area decided
that I was like their weird kid And they were like, no, that's
my name. You stay away.
I'm going to buy 2 crystals this time.
Like it is, it was really beautiful.
So I think that Hanover can get kind of a bad rap.
And I, I hear people talking about how it's like the Wild
West and people are like afraid to come here and like it's, but
there are really, really good people in Hanover.
I moved here not knowing a single person.
I can now walk up the street and I know at least two or three
people on my walk to work like whether they are local business
owners or just like the barista from the cafe across the street.
Like it is a very like when if you are open to like being open,
it is very. It's a really beautiful place.
But there are some mentalities that are stuck in the past.
Well, yeah. Man, that's Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania's the South of the north sometimes.
And real. Yeah.
Growing up in Virginia, I was like, oh, my God.
Great. It's north of the Mason Dixon.
I'll be great. And then I got here and I was
like, why are there more Confederate flags than at home?
What's? Happening.
No. You went to the worst place.
Yeah. You know, for this, right, For
sort of that liberal mindset, what Beck has this fight that
you're doing. Yeah.
Can you, I mean, you're a small business owner.
I mean, I don't know, you like riding on dentist money or
something Where like, how do you, how can you fight this?
How can you keep this crystal? You have, yeah.
Crystals, baby. Crystal would fucking tackle if
he heard you say that because he would be the furthest person.
But no, I'm really lucky that my lawyer's actually working pro
bono, so I am. She's just like, no, this is
fucking stupid. And it's a law that is old and
doesn't need to be there. It is A and it's a
constitutional case. So it's not just some.
I'm not getting any money out of this.
Like I don't, I'm not getting a settlement.
I'm not asking for like loss and like harm and like what?
Because I don't care. I just.
Essentially, you're just asking to be left alone.
Dog for real. I just want to be left alone to
be craft and like B and and for other and for other people to be
left alone, because I guarantee you fewer people are bigger
assholes than I am. And like I if this happened to
somebody else, like I just I couldn't.
I couldn't live with myself if I had the opportunity to do
something and then did it and then someone else actually went
to jail or like some for for dumb reasons.
Like I'm not talking about. Again, I really disavow the the
scammers like the people who like slide into people's DMS.
They're like grand rising beloved.
I sensed an aura around you. And I'm like, dude, I don't even
talk like that. Like.
And they're talking. More than me.
And I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm I thought 20 bucks was a lot
shit. Yeah, yo, Beck, two things real
quick that you're going to crack up laughing.
Yeah, I because I have a big, you know, big TikTok and
Instagram and all that. People copying by name and going
to other people's DMS saying those exact things, right?
Never talk like that. So it's insane.
And you know, the second thing, the second thing I've noticed
about that whole area is since I, I now document Gettysburg and
I go every couple of months, I get 2 reactions from people when
I'm calling up information, this that and the other one, they are
so interested and so supportive about what I do.
And the other, they get extremely nasty.
They're, Yup, they want nothing to do with it.
It's, it's wild. So like, I get what you're
saying. I've experienced that.
It's wild. We tried to because I'm really
all about working within the community.
I love Hanover, like I really, really do.
And one of the things that I wanted to do was start a Hanover
ghost tour because there's so much history here that has to do
with the Civil War and beyond, right?
And we went to the Historical Society.
My friend who's a professional researcher and used to curate
for the Poe Museum in Baltimore, like she went up and went to go
talk to them. She asked if they had any like
hauntings or ghost stories. They handed her a single like
file with a single piece of paper in it.
And the head of the Hanover Historical Society looked at
this woman and said we're good people.
We don't have ghosts in Hanover. So yeah, like there's
definitely, yeah, there were definitely some like other
librarians though, that I was like, hey, I know that, you
know, something can. Yes, yes.
And they were super helpful. They were like, go to chapter 13
in this book on the, you know what I mean?
So yes, I definitely feel like you have to, you have to know
who to ask. And weirdly, I think I think a
lot of this comes from the tradition of Pennsylvania Dutch
powwow because it was very secretive.
It was very underground and it was very much kind of like,
well, you don't ask for these things.
You just you get invited to this or like you just know or you are
in the know. Not saying that that's like what
is happening with everybody, but I feel like especially from like
moving up here from Virginia, I was like, Oh my goodness, this
is a little bit different. Let's get a let me get a little
woo woo for a second, just because you know, we we are a
paranormal podcast here in a sense, but is there have you
found, you know, what has you said?
You have you've been hit with a lot of positivity from from the
community, right. And obviously you're still in
this fight. So there is some animosity, but
what has the overall? What do you feel in terms of
like your success or your shop or you?
You seem in great spirits. Thank you Has.
Do you feel like energy and and you know and all of that Is it
affected you in the positive? Is the shop doing better?
Sure you know because of the attention or how What's the?
Yeah, I think that that is less unfortunately.
I know you're like trying to get woo woo, but I think that all
all press is good press, you know what I mean?
So I'm very grateful that this has put out like the word.
But I do think that that like I went before I started my shop, I
went to Salem, MA and Salem's super cool, but I am a Virgo so
I was like, I can do this better obviously, which like is is not
actually it. Like I do really love Salem.
Like don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be shady or anything.
I think it's a really wonderful place.
But I came back and I was like, I, I kind of made, I don't want
to say like a pact, but like a promise to a goddess Hikante,
the goddess of witches and crossroads.
And ironically, my shop is right outside the biggest like four
way intersection in town. But I said basically, like, if
you help me with this, I will establish your sanctuary and in
this, in this space. And I, I just need, I just need
the people to come. And I don't think that there is
any better like bat signal to put out other than, hey, guess
what? They're trying to arrest me for
witchcraft in the 21st century century, you know?
So, yeah, I think that in a lot of ways, like I, I truly believe
that I was not given anything more that I could handle.
Like I, I think that at the time and as we have grown, like I've
kind of stepped into it, but it has been a struggle.
Like I, I do come off like, yeah, happy, positive all the
time because that is kind of like what the space brings to
me. Like I do feel a lot of joy
like, and even talking and like sharing my story.
But on the like, on the flip side, dude, it's like really
difficult to be in the public eye sometimes.
Like, I'm not like, and especially in a small town, like
there was a period of time where like, I was not able to like,
leave my house. Like I, I couldn't go to like
Target to get toothpaste without someone being like, hey, you're
the girl on TV with the crystal shop, aren't you?
Which is great. And again, I was really
grateful. Yeah, but it's.
Very. You don't know what?
You don't know where that it's going with that, right?
That is sometimes like that. You sometimes you just want to
go get your toothpaste without being bothered.
Sure, sure. And no one.
Was ever bothering me. I never want to come across that
way, but it definitely like as an introvert and someone like
major anxiety, it was it's been a challenge.
I can imagine and, and let's face it, you know, this world is
not known for its, you know, people who are not crazy.
You know, we got a lot of crazies.
Right, right. So.
A lot more crazies than not crazies, you know?
In this space, in this area, I just like to be careful and I
unfortunately like kind of have a notable look about me.
So you know, I'm, I definitely I would wear my normie clothes.
I used to say like steal my boyfriend's hoodie.
I'm like, it's not black, they won't know.
Do you, that's funny. Do you, I mean, are you, I don't
want to get you. Well, look, we're not airing
this yet, but are you practicing?
Are you giving readings and do do you make them sign something?
You know though beforehand like this is for like, how do you do
it just to protect yourself? So I'm actually the only person
in Pennsylvania who can legally offer tarot readings right now
because I have what's called a joint stipulation, which says
that as long as I am challenging this in court, they cannot use
the law against me. Yeah.
And it, but that took me over a year to fight for.
They for a while I just was like, well, we're rolling the
dice, dude. Like if they come in and drag me
out, like, I guess that's it, you know?
But I didn't think that they were actually going to do that
after everything blew up. It would be very stupid for them
to try to like, continue. But because I have, it's again,
a joint stipulation, I believe, where it's just kind of like,
OK, we, we see what you're doing and what you're trying to say.
And for this temporary period of time, we will leave you alone.
But after that, all bets are off.
And I can only read cards within the borough of Hanover,
conveniently where my shop is. But any, anything outside of
that, like then, you know, if, if I'm in York, then the York
police could come get me, you know what I mean?
So it is, I have some, some stipulations and stuff, but
there are ways that I've been able to work around it.
And ultimately, like it is a law.
I don't want to like give advice because I can't.
But it is a law that, like, most police officers are not going to
enforce because, like, they have more crime to deal with, like
more actual crime, you know? No, the whole thing is strange,
the whole the fact you have to put up with the strange.
But John, could you imagine like some sting operation against
Beck? Like this is like a bunch of
guys sitting around. Imagine a bunch of Pennsylvanian
cops sitting around going like, how are we going to get this
witch? Let's get we're going to get
like my, we're going to bring it undercover like we're.
Going to we've. Set up right.
We've set up this sting operation.
We've she's infiltrated Beck's inner circle.
She's going to get a towel reading.
In the moment, they're all sitting out in vans with their
headphones on, like the money exchanges.
The. 1st right And then it's like go, go, go.
Right. They start kicking in doors, all
units. Well, think about it like this,
like. They they get right out.
Right, they kept swinging in through the window.
To stop you. From tarot card reading.
How dangerous. Pairs money dude that is being
wasted I. Know right?
Now. I know man, all of.
This. I know and I like, I like, hate
to be the drama like I really do because.
I no you shouldn't be the drama with this my friend.
No, no, no. This is good drama.
Yo, this is. You are the drama with this and
I love every second of it. I know it's so fascinating to.
Me thank you that's also why we try to give back so much to the
community because I am like aware that this does take like
resources away from like things that's.
Not your fault. That's not your fault.
It's not. Your fault.
At least we can do our best to balance the scales.
That's kind of what our philosophy is, indeed.
That's awesome that you're doing that too, but that's not your
fault at all. This is.
You did nothing wrong. I don't.
Know this is the kind of story for John and I is the kind of
story that like you know this is the Italian Alzheimer's right.
We only remember the grudges and we want to get in on it and like
just sort of we would never let this go.
It's like that was you never let.
It's like you have to be out of your mind.
They told me it could take up to 10 years and I said OK, like I
I'll be 36 at the latest. OK whatever man.
Like I'll do it. Like fuck it, sign me up.
Back when I head into, when I head to Gettysburg in a couple
months, I'll be there. Like I said, February, March, we
are. We're going to meet up.
I'm going to come to your shop. Maybe we'll do a little, you
know, ghost hunting, you know, talk to some spirits and we will
bring I will bring this to the attention of my community again,
not just through this podcast, but through my live as well,
because it deserves it. It deserves it.
And then let them let them come for us.
You know where they gonna do. We can't ghost hunt either.
Right. Oh my goodness.
Can you imagine? No.
I Yeah, You know. Beck What do you Beck What do
you think? Beck What do you think about
ghosts? You ever go to Gettysburg and go
ghost? Hunting.
I love ghost hunting. I actually did like 3 years ago
and I don't know, I don't want to start any beef or drama.
I was just asked to show up. But Sam and Colby like like the
ghost hunter like duo on YouTube.
They had me come along. Yeah, they had me come along on
some sort of like ghost hunt in oh, it was in Maryland.
It was the haunted boys school that burned down in it's like in
Patapsco State Park. So I love ghost hunting.
I have had multiple like mediums and psychics like in the shop
who I bring them to my apartment because I am very like, very
sure that it has like an inhabitant shall we say.
Most likely. Everywhere's haunted, so most
likely. Everywhere.
So the house was built in 1836. Like, come on now, you know.
Definitely. So Beck, we ask Beck, we ask
everybody this on the podcast and we ask you too.
What? What do you think spirits are?
Oh, that is a good question. Energy is like my biggest answer
and I know that's kind of a cop out.
Do I? I think that there are many
types of spirits. Like I think that you have
spirits that are maybe like stuck or recorded like the stone
tape theory or whatever. You have spirits who are
intelligent, who are just like, what the heck?
And like have maybe something that are tied here.
And then we have, I believe, like entities that kind of come
in between like our world and the next, like when we need
guidance. So like our ancestors or if
we're summoning a particular deity or spirit or entity from
another realm or dimension without getting too woo woo for
ya. No.
Is that? What do what?
Yeah, it's like I document this stuff all the time.
Yeah. All right.
So couple things couple. Things with the stone.
The stone, trust me. Right.
The stone theory that you're talking about, that's what you
know, if you talk to like parapsychologist, they'll say
that's a haunting, right? That's an imprint, right?
Like energy gets imprinted on it.
You could be a living person and leave your energy on something
and then it's like a recording that's.
A little deep. Right.
And then so when you start talking about other entities, I
always I've talked to some people that start talking about
other dimensions or quantum dimensions.
And then there's past life regression to who think of it as
you know, Everything Everywhere all at once.
Were these different timelines? Where would you say what do you
think? Where do you fall you in the in
that sort of realm? I could past life regression is
come as I've come to learn is a misnomer.
They don't really mean like back I was this.
Back then, that means. I I am this, yeah, in a, in a
another timeline. But where?
Where do you? What do you think?
About it. When I think too hard about it,
it kind of hurts my brain. So apologies.
Yeah. Like quantum physics.
Someone tried to like explaining quantum physics to me and I
cried. I was like, I don't like it.
I was getting psychic damage just like, But I think like, I
very much think that it is very much the everywhere, everything,
all the time, whatever, whatever.
Like where time is fake and made by men, but perception of it is.
So I think that who am I to say what spirit actually is?
I am just here to communicate what they have to say.
Like that's mostly my job. I'm the medium, shall we say,
not like a psychic medium, but I like to think that there are
people who can kind of tap into those patterns or tap into that
energy in the same way that people are really, really good
at, like, algebra or really, really good at learning a new
language. So I think it's more of like a
yeah, like an energy that people can be sensitive to.
And whatever form that takes, I think is dependent on the
situation and the things that have happened there indeed.
What's your favorite type of divination tool if you had a
tarot reader? Yeah, I'm a tarot reader.
That is my go to. That's my classic.
But other than that I really like fire scrying, which is
using like a same to scry information.
So it's kind of like. Yeah, go to.
Yeah, you have to. But yeah, everybody, you have to
break it. Down.
I have no idea what that is. That's OK.
So scrying is a practice often done with like a crystal ball.
So when you see someone gazing into a crystal ball, they're
looking for images to appear to them and for them to interpret
that. That is 1 method of scrying.
Fire scrying I like a little bit more because it involves like
focusing your your attention on a flame and seeing what shapes
like appear to you. I use a lot of movie references.
So if you guys have seen like the Chronicles of Narnia, like
where they're like looking in the fireplace and then the lion
comes out of like the embers. It's not like that exactly, but
that is as close as I can get in terms of like visually, this is
kind of what it's supposed to be.
So it's a, it's a practice that actually like dates back to like
the, well, ancient Greece and previous to that most likely in
like Neolithic and Paleolithic culture, which is. 100% a
hundred. Percent like thinking about.
Like you sit there, you like you would sit there with a a client
or with someone and you would like light something on fire in
front of you or is it just a candle?
Usually a candle. I, I don't really perform
scrying for clients. It's not something, it's like a
personal practice for myself. And I think it's, it's important
for practitioners to have kind of a divide.
So I use tarot in general, like in my life and with other
people, but kind of fire scrying and that intense meditation and
focus is something that I think is a little bit more personal
and not something that I would necessarily like.
While I could offer it as a service, I would not get the.
I don't know, it just wouldn't be.
It wouldn't be as fun for me, I think.
But Tara, how long have you been studying that?
Man, I well, I conned my grandmother into buying me my
first tarot deck at 13. So I, yeah, I saw it at a gift
shop and she was like, you could pick out anything you want.
And I was like, bet, yeah, I was like, I want that.
And she was like, you don't want a sketchbook.
Like, yeah. Yeah.
That yeah, I was like, no, give me the doc Magic.
No. So I I learned on a very old
school tarot deck. It was actually a reproduction
of one that was used in like Renaissance Italy.
So it was not like the best for learning on because it didn't
make a whole lot of sense. But I have since found other
decks that have worked a little bit better.
So I started teaching myself when I was a teenager and I'm
now like 28. So I don't think that I would
say that I have been professionally reading tarot
cards for about 5 years, but even, well, maybe more than
that. Jesus Christ, when did I?
Eight years? Oh my God.
Yeah, about 8 years that I've been reading for other people
so. And do you like and how do you
so you sort of self-taught you read books on it or you you
watch other people do it? Do you get idea to you know, do
you have teachers who are like, no, no, no, this is what do you
ever read conflicting things where people are like, no, this
card means this and this means that.
And then how do you decide what's what?
So I tend to look, I pull information from a lot of
different sources and then try to find like the like the common
denominator there. So I actually here I can show it
to you. Excuse me.
I have a book here that I bought when I was like 17.
This is the key to the tarot. And it, this was written in
1918. So this is like an old school.
You can see it the copyright 1918 and they have like here for
example a picture of the tarot card and what it means from
1918. So I went through and I studied
this book a lot. Most tarot decks come with their
own manual as well. And then I am a staunchly Gen.
Z, so YouTube was really helpful.
And I feel like, like I, I know the meanings of the cards, like
the traditional meanings, but there's also kind of an
intuitive understanding that you get when you use this tool so
much. So I think it's a little bit of
a combination of like practice of like, OK, this is what this
symbol means in this context. And also feeling out the energy.
So it's not just I'm not just reading flash cards, like I'm
like kind of understanding the the energy that's going into
what I'm looking at as well. The symbols just kind of help me
piece together the story, if that makes sense.
So do you have clients where they oh, sorry, John, one thing
real quick. Do you have clients that come in
and you do a tower reading for them and it's like always the
same like you can't shake it, like they can't shake what
they're hoping for. And it's like, look, man, I'm
sorry. You're just like you're stuck in
this. Yeah, So I, I kind of have a
rule with clients like if they start like if they come in too
regularly, I will just say no. Like if they are like every week
trying to because the cards are you're not going to change until
you do, right? So I think that, yes, there are
certain and myself included, like patterns that we can get
stuck in. But when that happens, like it
is then kind of up to me to determine, OK, when does this
not become a helpful tool for this person?
Like when what is my like line there?
And it's usually when they're like, but I just need to know
about this, but I just need to know about this.
Like if you just tell me this one piece of information, I'm
like, I can't, I can't possibly know that.
Like there's like, unfortunately I am not like a like Google, I
guess. Like I can't just plug things in
and be like, what is this? So when that happens, I try to
maybe like counsel people, not counsel.
That's not the right word because I'm not like giving them
official advice by any means. But we work with other spiritual
solutions. Like, hey, man, like I see that
you're stuck in this anxiety spiral.
Like, yeah, we can, we can read tarot cards and we can also do
like I can offer you some crystals.
But like, here's a number for a therapist because I think this
is actually what's going to help you.
Like this is like the most important card that you're
getting today. So I think.
It'd be funny if you, it'd be funny if you pulled it out of
the deck like. So I what's?
This doctor? I made a TikTok last week and
this actually happened to me. I like started therapy and they
gave me like my information packet with, with all the
resources and stuff in it, right?
And I had thrown all this into my bag because I was rushing.
I threw my tarot deck in there and I went to go grab it and
literally the like crisis center, like do you need help?
You're not alone. Like Call Us Now was like
sticking out of my deck and I I made a TikTok about it.
So like, that has happened to me purely out of my own laziness, I
think, But it was really funny. Or yeah, or it speaks to.
It indeed. John, sorry I cut you off
before. No, so it's it's all good, Gary.
So Beck, listen, have you polished up, you know a bronze
scrying? Mariette took a deep look into
it and said, Yo, I am a witch and I am going after the
government. Have you done that yet?
Because what you're doing, this entire thing is so epic, it's
not even funny. And listen, I know you're being
humble. I know you're being humble and
you're saying all these other witches that have come before
you. But let me tell you something.
You're going it's this is the opposite.
This is you taking the fight to them.
And I think that is epic. Thank you so much.
I just I. Just have to say it again.
I think it's incredible, you know?
But have you had that conversation with yourself yet?
Like literally took a deep look in and went, this is what I'm
doing and I'm not gonna stop. Yeah, I, I had to have a pretty
deep conversation with myself about halfway, like maybe I
would say like this time last year of like, no, you have to
finish this man. Like you have to do this.
Like, no, like I, I don't know how else to put it.
Like it's just like this is, this is the path.
So you have to walk it until it's done.
So I, I think that I've, like, not to be like, I've always
known that something like this was going to happen, but I've
always had, like, weird shit like this happened to me, like
my grandparents when I was 13 because I was getting into
witchcraft and, like, Evanescence, I guess.
Like, they literally believed I was possessed by the devil and,
like, tried to perform an exorcism on me.
Like, yeah, yeah. My brother's birthday party.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry that happened.
To you don't apologize, because you know what?
That's what made me be able to look the police chief in the
face and say, try to like, do you know what I mean?
Yes, yes, I know. All of these things, yeah, all
of these things that have happened to me or that I've had
to gone go through, I think we're kind of like leading up
to, OK, this is like what you're supposed to do in this iteration
of yourself. So I don't know if this is like
my true purpose. Like I don't, I don't profess to
be like, like this could have happened to anybody, but it
happened to me. So.
Yeah, right, right. So that's why it's it has to be
done. You know, so what's your?
What's your? Tarot card what?
What's the tarot card you'd pull right now that would represent
this current state of your legal battle?
Current state of my legal battle, dude, Oh my God, fucking
8 of wands reversed. It is so I am in stagnant hell,
dude. They like so the basically
Pennsylvania doesn't want this case to go to trial.
Like they keep trying to like dismiss it like they keep trying
to like the judge randomly retired and then the case got
kicked back to the begin. Like it they like I'm, I'm like
in the doldrums, right? Like I'm just waiting for the
next step. And I've been in this like
waiting stage since like August of last year of of 2024.
So I. So it's the eight.
Yeah, the 8 of wands reversed, which is kind of like things
like slowing down, which is just means it's upside down.
Cards have different meanings whether however you're looking
at them. But yes, I would say definitely
just like kind of in the I'm in the swamps of it all.
Think of a think of a tray who stuck but not sinking.
Right. Exactly.
Trey, you.
Yeah, Trey, you from, you know, Never Ending Story, you know the
horse and I got it. Why I don't give up on.
I mean, some of our younger viewers might not understand
that reference. They might not.
It's great. Yes, You know, right.
So what's your favorite crystal? If you had to pick a crystal,
one that let's Yeah, like so let's say you were able to get a
massive like, you know, 500 grams crystal to put in your as
soon you walk into your house, what would you want on display?
I would probably pick labradorite.
I I love labradorite the the flash on it like the the way
that it looks. I am such a sucker for
labradorite. I think it's so.
Pretty cool. I have no idea what that looks.
I have to look. That up, it looks like.
Yeah. You should look it up.
It's really pretty. It has like this really gorgeous
flash. It reminds me of like dragon
scales or something. Like yeah.
Labrador like the dog? Labrador Light.
Labradorite. Yep.
Labradorite. Yeah.
Is that that, you know, that's a good one because then you could
pick the lighting and you could pick how, you know, like how it
you could pick how it perceives when you're walking from one
side to another. It's right.
Yeah, Mr. Crystal, I don't know. You look at you could.
I didn't know you could take the Pepsi challenge of crystals,
John. And you know, that's what
listen, listen, I've got, I got a little bit of the tisms.
I pick up rocks off the ground and put them in my pocket every.
Now listen. Yeah, Let me tell you something.
Yeah. You know, Hell yeah.
No, I actually I have a fondness for.
I used to have a huge crystal collection that the spirits here
destroyed, which is a whole other story.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then I started and then the
ones that, the ones that survived, I ended up just
mailing them out to my followers saying here, I can't keep these
anymore because they're going to get destroyed.
Yeah, no, it's the whole thing. But oh, yeah, I love rocks,
crystals, minerals, all that fun stuff.
You know, my, I love Citrine. I think that's just a very
pretty one. I like that.
I like that style of quartz, amethyst.
I'm a sucker for the classics and clear.
Quartz, yeah. Clear.
There's something about clear quartz.
Yeah. The fact that you could take
clear quartz, two of them, and bang them together and you get a
spark, you know, I just love it. Trading those electrons, you
know, it's. I don't know.
Yeah, it really is. The Queen.
The Queen of Crystals, indeed. Yeah, yeah, 100% God.
So if you had to pick a book, a book for somebody to read that
is up and coming into witchcraft or discovering their
spirituality, what would you direct them to?
What would be their your go to for them?
So I have two answers to this. Other than the United States
Constitution that you need to clearly know, number one, yeah,
to know your rights. So there are two books that I
really like right now. The first one is called Year of
the Witch by Temperance Alden. It talks about how to create
your own practice based on the seasons, but not necessarily the
wheel of the year. Because depending on where
you're living in the in the United States, like it may not
like the, the things that we're doing in March for the spring
equinox, you might have done like three months ago because
you're living in Florida and now it's summer time.
Do you know what I mean? So it's kind of like it's great
for anybody anywhere, even in the Southern Hemisphere.
Like I have a lot of folks who are Australian who are like on
the opposite timeline of us, you know.
So it's kind of like, well, this is good for anybody.
The other one that I really, really like is called Psychic
Witch by Matt Orin, and it sounds like a little bit
advanced, like what do you mean? Am I going to be moving things
with my mind? No, it's mostly like protecting
your energy and kind of learning how to interact with energetic
fields or people or situations in the world around you.
So it has a lot of good, like protection.
It has a lot of good instruction on connecting with your
intuition and really getting into the foundations of that.
So I think these two books, whether it is if you're more
into like nature and stuff, the year of the witch is is great.
But if you're more into the like science and mental and maybe
less of the you don't like dirt so much, maybe the the psychic
witch 1. So yeah.
Awesome. Well, this is great this.
Is great. This is great.
Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your time. Where, where could people find
you? Totally.
We'll put all this stuff. We'll put this stuff up.
I know you're on TikTok, you're on Instagram.
Yeah, I'm all over the place the.
Stitching Witch is that what it is as?
The stitching witch, I got my degree in fashion design, so
I've had that handle for a little bit.
But I yeah, so everywhere on Instagram as the stitching witch
with underscores, TikTok as the stitching witch.
I have a YouTube channel that I haven't updated it a little bit,
but if anyone wants to find longer form content about
witchcraft from like 2 years ago, I did a series where I did
a video every day for an entire year.
So if they're interested, there's like 400 of them.
Then it's a long year. It is a long year, dude.
Then there what else I have. The shop is under the Serpent's
key on Instagram and Facebook just for like the local folks as
well. So yeah, all.
Right. Well, cool, I will put it.
I'm gonna put all those up for us.
They'll be in our BIOS and everything else.
Yeah, I'll shoot you next time I'm in the area.
I'll shoot you a message back on on TikTok and we'll.
We'll, we'll get together. Wherever.
Yeah, awesome. Sounds good.
Thank. You so much good luck with this
case. We will certainly be following
it. Keep us posted.
Thank you. It is an amazing thing you're
doing that you know it's not. You don't just have to be a
witch to to appreciate it. I mean, it's just anybody else,
right To just do their thing and it's like to be bothered.
Yeah, I'll tell you what I have where's.
Common sense. Where's the common?
Sense I've had a lot of folks who, you know, come in with
their red MAGA hats and stuff and will come in and say, hey, I
don't really understand what you're doing here or like what
you have going on, but I will fight for your right to do it.
And that's literally like all they say and they walk out and
I'm like cool, man, like I, I, I guess that's cool.
So it's good to like see that this is it's a non partisan
issue. Like it could have happened.
It is kind of something that I think we all can agree like,
hey, that's probably not an OK thing to have happen.
So I think it's as negative as it could have been.
I'm very grateful for the positivity that this has kind of
has yielded because I think it has given people an opportunity
not only to understand a little bit more what we do here and
like what witchcraft actually is, but has given us the
opportunity to be the face and say like, no, we're not actually
scary evil people. Like you're allowed to come here
and I'm not going to bite your head off if you, you know, ask
me a silly question, quote UN quote because I don't believe it
off so. No, no.
I'm with you. I wish you the best of luck.
Listen, thank you so much for your time.
Of course, of course. It was truly a pleasure.
Thank you guys, I appreciate it. I will see you soon.
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