Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and
my nephew Johnny from at Santa Paranormal where we try to prove
John's theory that ghosts are the fractured memories of the
living by asking the question, what are spirits?
This is a less edited and with video version of what became our
second episode. We didn't think we were going to
use video when we started. So I look like I just rolled out
of bed and that's because I did. Forgive me.
I clean up well For those that do any forensic analysis
comparing this episode to the original, yes, there are
changes. I edited some of my questions in
the original when I stuttered over them or they weren't clear.
I also cut out the long pauses between when John asks a
question and the spirit's answer, because without a visual
reference, it's just dead air. I didn't edit those out here,
but I do speed them up and you'll know when that happens.
For those that are new, the random blurbs and voices you
hear in the background, that's not someone with Terrace.
Those are the ghosts, the voices John picks up when his spirit
box apps are manipulated by them.
So without further ado, Episode 2, let's dive into the
conversation. Hey, Johnny, what's up?
Listen, as we're, as we're sitting here and I'm all set up,
I just did a session on TikTok, a live session, speaking to a
child version of a spirit that I have been documenting for for
three years at a completely different location.
Location. This spirit that I'm speaking to
now is the child version of the older spirit.
Only one. OK, now, all right, first of
all, you got to tell us, tell everybody where you are.
Where are you? OK, so I am at a local cemetery
here in Westchester County, New York and I am at the grave of
Edward. Let me see if I can switch the
camera around and give you actually doesn't even matter,
right? It does it, but you know, just
do it. It's good to describe the scene.
Is it like a super old grave, you know?
Yes, so I'm in an older section of the cemetery, graves dating
back to the 1700s to the early 1900s.
Got it. And you do your live.
Oh, go ahead. It's a.
It's a very nature setting, like it's not a uniform cemetery.
There's graves everywhere, trees, animals.
It's very peaceful, peaceful, serene nature setting.
Gotcha now you do your live tik toks from here a lot.
Yes. Now I was just I caught the end
of your live stream dude. So I saw that like and this is
again me trying to understand TikTok.
They had like over 300,000 likes.
Does that mean people are just sitting there hitting the screen
and giving you hearts? Yes.
So before my phone at the end, my phone died, but luckily I was
using the iPhone. So I went and I plugged it in
and I got the live going. But that session we had about we
had between 4 and 500 people watching.
And yes, that means that out of the four 500 people, they were
sitting there tapping the screen, sending hearts.
And when you when I see those really whacked out icons and
GIFs pop up, are those that people have to pay to use those,
right? Yes.
So people pay, people pay to use them and that's called sending a
gift. And I get a certain percentage
of of that gift that they sent. That's amazing to me.
Oh my God. All right, so now you're out
there, you're doing a session and this is exactly what we're
trying to that I want to follow you and try to prove, which is
like the biggest. I mean, the Tik Toks are fun and
you're out there and you're talking again, you're having a
good time and you're getting spirits, you're having
conversations. But for this, we're really
trying to follow and hone down this theory of these fractured
memories, these splintered spirits.
So tell us a little bit. Remind us about the history of
Edward. So Edward, he's originally from
Massachusetts. He had a very bad and abusive
father, which led him to flee his home at a young age.
We're talking like 1213 years old.
And he left, he went, he went to New York City.
And this is where his story gets wild.
We don't know if, because there's two different accounts
that you can find actually by Google searching him.
We don't know if he panhandled on the streets of New York City
to build his fortune, if he panhandled a little bit in the
beginning and then went on a merchant spree up and down the
Byram and Hudson rivers selling where's to build his fortune.
But something happened in between him leaving
Massachusetts and coming to New York City in the early 1800s
that allowed him to build a mass fortune, enough for him to start
with two other partners. I think he raised like $40,000
to do this. Which?
Is insane. In the 1800s, he built up his
fortune buying properties and owning businesses.
And then he ends up retiring early in Westchester County at
the building where I live and I work.
And that's where my story begins with Edward.
I have countless hours of documentation with Edward.
He is a completely. Wants you to go.
Nasty spirit. Completely nasty.
He is all about money and greed. The spirits there have said that
he has gotten involved with. How graphic can I get on here?
Well, I I'll bleep it if it gets too graphic, you know, But go
ahead, you know? Awesome.
So I'll just, I'll just speak freely about Edward.
According to the spirits, Edward has not only murdered people,
but use them ritualistically, taking advantage of people that
were displaced in the civil war. There are counts of Edward, and
this is all according to the spirits at the building I live
in. There are counts of Edward
raping, keeping sex slaves, using their children for
rituals, having many bastard children in the process that
actually survived, just being an overall horrible, horrible human
being. So wait, I gotta ask.
I gotta cut in. I gotta cut when you say.
I just did. You just did you I.
Didn't hear that, What did? That say, OK, so he just said
this is the child version of Edward.
He just said my father wants me dead.
In this re edit I'm just going to play back John's audio
without my big mouth talking over it so you can really hear
what the ghost said loud and clear.
Father wants me dead. OK, no, alright, we're going to
get into this child. I want to know something about
when you say the spirits are the ones in your building who told
you this history of Edward so? Yes, when I.
Hear these voices come through. They're very short spurts.
So how have you come to this conclusion about, you know, like
all of the detail that you just laid out?
Like, is it just like words like he's a rapist or he's a
murderer, you know, sex like, and you're just sort of at like,
what? How are you getting to this
sort? Of Imagine.
Imagine for three years sitting in one location communicating
with spirits, not only communicating with Edward
Edwards coming through other spirits are coming through
saying he raped me, he murdered me, he sacrificed me.
Edward was a bad man. Edward was this, Edward was that
and just spirits arguing with Edward.
There are there are spots at at the building I live in that
Edward won't go because of the other spirits that are there.
He stays confined to 1 area. That is, that is nuts.
Which is which is why? That's so that's pretty wild.
So all right now, have you ever and just just about the history
of him, have you ever like he must have ancestors, right or
family? Have you ever tried to track
down? So.
Interesting enough. Interesting enough, what
happened with Edward was that his yes, he's he just, it's
funny. He just said daughter.
Edward had only one son that ended up dying in his 20s.
And he had five daughters that were not, you know, not bastard
children we're talking about. They bore his last that he had
it with his wife Elizabeth. He had five daughters.
Some of those daughters didn't make it.
The other the two daughters that did make it ended up marrying
other prominent families in the area, and the last name for this
genealogy fizzled out. You couldn't.
Find you didn't, right? You couldn't find where, where,
what got it? Nope.
OK and so interesting enough and they'll never come forward.
I'll never be able to interview them.
I've spoken to him personally in my hometown.
I have spoken to the bastard family of Edward, the ones that
survived. There is a story that the
spirits talked about that one of the daughters that ended up
surviving rescued 3 of the bastard children.
One of them was just a baby and two of them were little girls
and they escaped and she was able to get them out of the
house before they were sacrificed.
And that bastard family is still around in my village.
And what's insane is I'm wearing a shirt that it's the shirt says
I'm a stupid Stoner because Edward calls me a stupid Stoner
at the building can. You hear?
Him OK and so the shirt says it's got a big pot leaf on it
and says, you know, I'm a stupid Stoner or John's a stupid
Stoner. You know, Edward, I'm at the
bar. There's an older woman at the
bar in her 60s. She sees the shirt and she looks
at me and she goes, what do you know of that man?
And I straight up was like, you might sound what I'm about to
say crazy, but and I explained everything.
She burst into tears. And then she goes.
My family is held on to these secrets for for decades.
We know all about this. Nobody believed us.
You know, this is where we come from.
And I'm like, no, I believe you. I was like, I believe you all.
Right, I'm going to take a quick second here and I want you to
tell the audience because you're saying you're wearing this
stupid show and I see this stupid Stoner shirt and I see
that you are missing a tooth and you look like a homeless
crackhead right now. Please tell me what is going on
with that tooth because like what did you do to yourself?
So, so listen, I've been, I've been doing construction for
years and I was working at this very haunted building where
Edward is. And I am on a ladder and I
needed a pair of channel locks to loosen up a lug nut that was
keeping a fixture held up. And somehow, some way, that
those pliers slipped and fucking whacked me right in the mouth
and just destroyed the tooth. So, man, has anybody ever yelled
at you out in the cemetery? They look at you like, you see
this tooth, like this guy missing a tooth walking around
with a Stoner shirt. I mean, is it like, what?
What? What's keeping somebody from
like, calling the cops thinking you're a grave robber?
So what one big thing, because I, I don't know if you know
this, I actually do a lot of work in cemeteries.
Like I, I take over abandoned cemeteries.
So I have a certain etiquette in cemeteries that I follow when it
comes to cemeteries that I just are you drinking blood?
No, bro, that's funny. No, it's my classic Starbucks
iced coffee. Yeah, my uncle.
'S a fucking vampire, yeah, yeah.
No, no, this is my my, this is my go to Grande iced coffee.
Black Nice. So I have a certain etiquette in
a cemetery and for example, I don't do any work in this
cemetery other than cleaning stones.
I clean a lot of headstones here.
I have a great relationship with management.
So before I go into a cemetery, I contact whoever's running the
cemetery, find out the details. You know what's allowed, what's
not allowed, you know, XYZ dot all my IS cross my T's and I
stick to the old sections of these cemeteries.
So anybody that comes here and visits, they're not family of
any of these people. But if they are, they're like
far away descendants and I have full permission to be here.
OK, so but I do but but I do every now and then come across
crazy people. One woman was stalking me and
she ended up running over 2 graves and she ended up getting
kicked out of the cemetery. Maybe something I mean like a
follower like the follow? John no, she was just somebody
that would always walk here or drive around here and she saw me
and what I do and took great offense to it.
So she was yeah, non-stop just coming after me.
That whole thing's actually on my TikTok, the whole, the whole
thing, it was, it was all live. Oh, I got to find that.
OK, I'll find that and I'll drop that in.
That'll be good. All right, now let's talk about
Edward. Now you're sitting close to his
grave, I assume somewhere. Are you in the vicinity of his
actual grave? Yep, let me turn this around
real quick, OK? That's the the tall one.
So the tall 1 is just a grave marker that just tells us who's
buried in the family plot. So it's Edward, his wife and a
couple of his children. So I'm looking just so.
Far to a grave for our audience. Small grave that says Father.
OK, so for the audience looking at this, you know, you can't see
it right now and you know, maybe we'll, we'll try to put pictures
up, some video up with it. But I'm looking at, you know,
you're looking at two small graves.
Does that say mother and father? Yeah.
It's a little blurry right now, but.
Father once says mother. Got it.
And then there's a bigger monument and behind it that
they're supposed to be the OR his family plot in this.
And yeah, it is a very sporadic looking cemetery.
You're right. It does not look like there is
any uniformity to where these graves are buried.
It was just like first come first serve.
Yes, and there and then. So for example, I'll also
sometimes, I don't know if you can see it, I'll also sometimes
plant flowers. That's a grave I cleaned right
over there named William. Nice guy.
Nice guy, nice guy. All right, so, OK, so you're
here today. You're doing a TikTok.
How do we All right, get it. Let's get into Edward, man.
Let's figure out and let's figure out how we try to connect
Edward here to when we do another session in your basement
and try to see and talk to that Edward there.
So, all right, so how do you know it was Edward Debate?
Like the younger version or child?
Version so so this. Is and.
Why would and why do you think the child version is here here?
So this is my fourth time here documenting this plot and coming
across this child version of Edward.
And the reason why I think the child version of him is here is
because his mother is here, not his father.
He had a really bad relationship with his father and he is his
father isn't here but he had his mother after she passed away,
brought here and buried at the family plot.
Now, why do you think that? Why do you think it's because of
the mother? What?
What's the connect? What wouldn't you?
What do you explain that connection to be?
So. Because why would his?
Child be here, so I believe that his mother is here as well.
During the session I just did on TikTok, we heard the name Mary
come through quite a bit and there's a couple.
Mary's buried here because it's a family name.
However, the child version of Edward is also coming through.
So I believe that the mother is here and these quantum memories
connect. So these splintered memories,
these quantum memories connect and we're able to access the
child version of Edward due to the mother being buried here.
OK, what it now what did the what did the child do to
identify himself to you that you know it's it like how did.
You, he's already told us, walking.
Through your process. Yeah, so he's already told us
his name. He said my name is Edward.
He said my mother calls me Edge. He and he's speaking about his
father in great lengths, I guarantee while we do this
session, and he already did, he already brought up his his his
father. He's going to bring up his
father a lot. So this child version of Edward
has a lot of resentment. Yeah.
You know what? I can't even call it resentment.
It's more like a lack of understanding about why his
father is so mean. He keeps bringing it up.
My father is a bad man. My father's so mean.
So I think. And I think that's what led him
to become the monster financially and humanely that he
ended up becoming. That we think he's be be
becoming allegedly. Allegedly, according to the
spirits. According to the spirits.
What? OK man, let's get him.
Try to get him. Call him out dude.
Edward, Edward, if you are here, can you please tell me your
name? She told me.
What did she tell you? Is there someone here telling
you not to speak? Stop it.
Something's going on. He told me.
Something's going on. Hey John, when when you hear, do
they sometimes sound different through the app?
Like will they always have the same?
Oh, what was that? It all depends on which app I'm
using. So Vox.
I turned Vox off 'cause it can get loud while we're talking.
Vox scans through radio waves. The spirits manipulate the radio
waves via the mago meter. You know, think of it as the
butterfly effect. You know, a butterfly flutters
and it causes a tornado. I don't know if you've ever
heard heard about that, but same same effect to the magno meter
on the phones. And but with Ghost 2, it's
different. All right, we'll get back to
you, Edward. We'll talk to you.
Edward, can you tell me about your dad?
Tell me about your father. Don't hold back.
Happy. You're happy.
Why are you happy? Not likely.
Oh, not likely. Maybe he's happy he's dead.
Maybe Edward? It's.
What we want? No, it's it's what?
Who's we? Is that you and your mother?
Dude, look, look at my arm right now.
I don't know if you can see it. I just got chills from them.
Yeah. Getting chills?
Edward, I want you to talk to me about your father the way you
talk to me when I was live, before you were telling us all
sorts of information. Tell me how he treated you.
Don't be scared and don't be shy and don't listen to any other
spirit. Right now.
I want you to listen to me in the sound of my voice.
Tell me about your dad. Not.
OK. Leave it.
You want me to leave it alone? How about this, Edward?
Why don't you tell me about your mother instead?
Let's talk about your Mama. And I say this is going to be
the hard one. And what was funny, Edward, tell
me about your mom. Who's funny is he didn't come
through for 40 minutes while I was on TikTok.
It was just a bunch of other random spirits.
And then all the sudden out of nowhere, I was explaining to
somebody what I know about the child version.
And then right when I said, Oh yeah, he didn't like his dad,
bam, he just started going on about his dad.
All right, well, we'll pull up that video and you'll get that
to me. Yeah, I'll get that to you.
I got to go through that live. There was just one that I just
did. So it takes, it takes me a bit
to get through through to them through the lives.
The replays are insane. Like an hour, you know, you know
how it is. An hour replay is at least an
hour and a half going through. So.
It's, it's insane. Edward.
Edward, do you remember what you said to me the last time I was
here about us being friends? Just making sure my wireless
routed and freeze. You're still here.
I got you. Did you hear him?
No, I was talking, but tell me. Yeah, he.
Just said he just said John visits me.
Luckily your your thing is recorded solo so I'll be able to
have your audio. Lucky for us, we do have that
recording, so let me just play it back and I'll shut my mouth.
Just making sure my wireless router didn't freeze.
Helm, John visits me. There we go.
Did you hear him? Yeah, he just said.
He just said John visits me. Oh, awesome.
Oh, yeah, He just said John. Yes, I do.
I do visit you, Edward. Who are you talking to?
He's talking to somebody else. He's not talking to us 'cause he
just said John visits me. I So what I think is going on, I
think there's another spirit here trying to tell him not to
speak. That's what we were hearing
before. And right now, you know, I the
evidence of that is he just said, you know, evil.
Is there something evil here? Edward?
Let's talk about that. What's trying to stop you from
speaking? She won't leave.
It's a she interesting and that
happens a lot while while I'm doing this, I have spirits that
bother other spirits, almost like a jealousy thing like oh,
how come you know he wants to talk to you and not me?
You know what's? What's really what's really
interesting because it's like on your TikTok, like I want
everyone to know that I'm watching you right now.
You're on camera. I can see your hands.
I can see this. This is.
Whatever this thing is. You know, you're right that like
this is all coming. This is these voices are coming
through. They seem to be Ant they do
legitimately feel like they're you're answering your questions.
But like on the TikTok, you, you know, you're not always on
camera. And I could see why people might
be like. I get that all the time.
I get people that are
constantly, constantly like, oh, you're pressing buttons.
Oh, that's a recording, you know, and it's just, I have a
great community and they know how I operate.
You know, there's that level of trust, you know that and they
and they know that. Sometimes I'm such a space.
Happening. Well, so Edward, right now
what's happening is I'm talking to my uncle.
What date? What date it's?
What is it, the 25th? It's the 25th.
It's the 25th of September 2024.
Why is it pathetic? I'm going to turn on Vox to see
if anything else is coming through.
Maybe we can hear what's bothering Edward, and Edward
might use Vox as well. So.
OK. Edward, I want you to tell me
about your parents. I want you.
You're in pain.
I know you are. I want you to introduce yourself
and then tell me about your parents.
I know it sounds weird because we've already we've already
spoken, but it would be a it would be doing me a great favor
if you can introduce yourself and then tell me about your
parents. Satanic.
Satanic, you know, earlier in the TikTok live he was
describing his father as Satan. Where?
Are you, where am I? I am right by your mommy's
grave. It's.
Edward, can you please introduce yourself and tell me about your
parents? This is way clearer than all the
voices in their factor. You know in your office.
I don't want to talk over. I'm trying to talk low.
That's my issue on TikTok. Night.
The wind isn't too bad, right? Because it's.
Windy No, no, no. Everything's it's fine.
And I'll, I'll right now it sounds great.
Can I switch this? No.
OK. All right, Edward.
I know it's hard and I know you got a lot of other spirits
talking chip between I need. You that sound like a different
voice. Yeah, I need you to tell me your
full name and tell me about your parents.
I know you can do it. Sister.
You did have a sister. We did have an older sister.
Would you like to talk about her?
Locket. You had a Locket of hers for me.
It was it was for me. You hear that talking about his
sister passed away when he was young.
I can hear you. Good.
I'm glad you can hear me. I'm talking to my uncle right
now, Edward. That's why it seems like I'm
talking to somebody else. It's crazy, right, Edward?
Let's talk more about your family life.
I'm like looking over your shoulder, making sure no one
sneaks up behind you with like an axe or something or some some
girl in the ring that sounded like cigarette.
Maybe he wants to smoke, but isn't he too young to smoke?
Or is that somebody else? Oh yeah.
He's dead. Well, I mean back in the 1800s.
Satanic they were. Freeze to.
Leave. They were.
That sounded like satanic. Please leave.
Yeah, that's exactly what that was.
So there's something so interesting enough, a lot of
spirits when they're negative and angry or sad, they look
different to other spirits because of the vibrational
frequency. So there's something here which,
you know, I, I suspected that is probably upset and angry, that
looks to be evil. And a child might be like, oh,
that's satanic, that's evil, which we both heard both those
words. That doesn't necessarily mean
it's demonic, you know, or an entity from a hell like
dimension or anything like that. Because technically I'm an
atheist. I don't believe in heaven and
hell. I don't believe in your
pitchfork and and all, and you've sky daddy and all that.
But these spirits do. So we have to go by their lingo.
You know, if they see something that they don't understand,
they're going to be like, oh shit.
Total side point. Did I ever tell you how the
Church of Satan wanted me to join?
Because I used to like a lot of their stuff on Twitter and stuff
and they asked me to join and I said, listen, I appreciate it,
but I don't agree. I'm not interested in any
organized religion ever. And I'll never join any
organized religion. And, and they wrote back, you
know, well, that's the most Satanic thing ever.
That's Satanic, Satanic. They just said Satanic.
Well, you know what's interesting about the, the, the,
the, I don't even think they believe in Satan like that.
The Church of Satan. They're not like, like they
don't even believe in Satan. They're all atheists, you know,
which is, which is very interesting.
It's not when people hear the Church of Satan, they're like,
Oh my God, the devil and this, that and the other.
No, it's the imagery is just there as an example, you know,
as a that's all it is. That's really interesting.
And hey, they're not wrong with their commandments.
The pillars? No, I do.
Yeah. Yeah, they got some good ones,
dude. They do.
They got good ones, man. That's how I live my life.
You know, like here. Is it?
So what year is it? It's 2024.
They're not. It's all you know.
And I guarantee if you know Jesus Christ to read those, he'd
be like, Oh yeah, I agree, you know, Yeah.
So. Death.
Let's see if we can, Edward. Open it.
Edward, listen, I'm going to try to change my voice up a little
bit. I'll try to change my voice up a
little bit. Frequency and all that fun
stuff. Edward, I want you to remember
your parents and speak about them.
Silly. Silly.
Why is it still not? Oh, OK, yeah, he doesn't want to
talk about him now. It's interesting, right?
We, we, we should also, we'll get, we should also give him
some of our secrets to test. Satanic.
This is connected to the other Edward.
So according to my theory, technically these two spirits
shouldn't be connected. I know.
That's why we should test it. Yeah.
And see. So we got to tell.
Let's let's give rather than try to get information from.
Him. I got an idea outside.
Yeah, here's an idea. Tell him this, Johnny.
Tell him. Tell this Edward, the 1st girl
that you tricked into taking your virginity and then see.
Technically, technically I, I was tricked because she was 15
and I was 13, so I was tricked. Believe it or not, you know her
name. Her name was Catherine.
So now we'll know. Now he'll know that and we'll
ask the other one that. Or what else?
The other Edward's going to turn around and say he's going to
tell me to shut up, that I'm a virgin, just so you know, like
that's the way that Edward talks.
Oh, that'll be great. Leave.
We don't mean to offend you, Edward.
We're not trying to be mean. We're not trying to be mean.
What else? What else?
What other things can we tell this this this version to see if
it comes over? We'll see how many.
I've got. I've got one.
I've got. Visits.
Me, it just said. John visits me.
Yep, Yep. I definitely visit you.
My ride. My ride is here.
He's got to go to work at 3:00. But hold on.
Let me let me say this. This this last thing.
Yeah. Edward.
Edward, this man that I'm speaking to that you can hear
this is my Uncle Gary. OK.
I hate my dad. You hate your dad.
OK, well, this is my uncle. This isn't my father.
This is my uncle. All right?
I just want it. I'm going to.
This is my uncle Gary. So you know for the next time.
OK. All right, Edward.
So now when we talk to the other Edward.
See if he knows my name. We're going to see if he knows
your name and but we're going to say you're my brother to him and
we're and we're going to see if he goes, Oh yeah, you know,
that's your brother. You know what I'm saying?
If he goes and says no, that's your uncle, then we know there's
a connection between the two. He knows you're lying to him.
He knows I'm lying to him. Sure.
All right, and if you remember and.
If he remembers Catherine, but it's like if he remembers
Catherine. Johnny, this is great.
This is a good session. I want to get this is the first
step into proving this theory. I know you got to go.
I don't want to hold you up for everybody listening to where we
are testing our theory. First with Edward here at the
cemetery with my nephew Johnny. And we got a lot of creepy stuff
here. We put a little few things to
the test. And when we come back in the
next one, we'll see if those two places connect, right?
I mean, that's Yep. Perfect.
Yep. OK, next time we come back,
we're going to be at the building that Edward lived in
when he was an adult, OK, And committed all these crimes.
OK, call me when you want to do that.
Got you. We could do that soon because
that's right at that where I live.
Yeah, I know. So just tell me when we'll make
it work. Awesome.
Sounds good. All right, Uncle Gary.
I'll see you later. All right.
Love you, bud. I'll talk to you.
Love you too. Bye.
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