1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,960 Hello everyone. Yo-yo, what is happening, 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,480 everybody? And welcome, welcome, welcome to 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,000 another live episode of Splintered Spirits. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Splintered Spirits, the podcast where my nephew John, John, 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,880 Santa, Santa Paranormal and I deep dive into the mysteries of 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,000 the paranormal as we try to answer the question what are 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,840 spirits? Anything. 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Do we figure it out yet? John? 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,200 Do we know what spirits are yet? No, no, we have not yet figured 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,920 it out. But I do have some ideas. 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,520 I do have some ideas, some theories, you know, and, you 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,520 know, keeping up with quantum physics and quantum mechanics 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,760 and all that fun stuff, seeing if any. 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,720 New books. Oh dude, I've been. 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Taking some classes. Yeah, that's just what's one of 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,440 my, it's always been one of my hobbies, you know, that and 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,280 anthropology and a couple other things that I always say up on 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,400 the up and up with, you know, and yeah, no, it's wild. 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,480 It's wild. And you know, we're going to, 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,600 we're going to dive. Into it. 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,960 Let me ask you. Let me ask you a serious 22 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,600 question. We do have a guest coming today 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,640 and as soon as they join us, I will tell you all about them. 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:26,200 It's but when you're looking at all of your documentation, what 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,960 lines can you draw to connect these dots? 26 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,840 When you start thinking about, you know, your quantum theories 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,600 of these things, you understand that question. 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Does that make sense? I it makes perfect sense and the 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,120 line. Does IT support or no or go 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,360 against your? It definitely supports. 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,440 It definitely supports because it seems the common thread, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,960 whether something is asking for help, something is talking about 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,840 a situation, something is talking to me directly, or 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,360 something is talking about a situation, or they're dealing 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,200 with each other, the common thread is always that it is one 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,880 singular mind from their perspective. 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,920 What do you mean by that? What does that mean? 38 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,640 So, so take a think about it like this. 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,360 If you were to take a, this is going to get really crazy, but 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,160 it's the only way for me really. That's the only way we know how 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,920 to do it here at Splinter Spirits. 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Is to get crazy. I know I wish I had my white 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,160 board. I'm about to start busting it 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,240 out. Let's go, dude. 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,960 So. FG. 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:32,560 So imagine you took a man from the 1400s, OK, And you granted 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:39,960 him the ability to live that entire time up until now, right? 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,520 And you know you're about to take away this ability from him 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,920 to live, but you want to hear before he dies. 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,840 You want to hear everything about him? 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,320 OK. OK, everything he's experienced, 52 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,080 everything, you're going to get an account of history, correct 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,920 As he lived from one singular perspective his and that's it. 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,160 So it doesn't matter what was, let's say he was from England, 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,360 OK, or, or, or Italy, it doesn't make a difference or, or, or 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Africa or wherever. You're going to get his singular 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,320 perspective on the, you know, 600 plus years that followed and 58 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,680 he's not going to be able to tell you anything outside of his 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,120 perspective. OK. 60 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,560 OK, so it's the same thing with spirits. 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,560 It's literally the same thing with spirits, you know, whether 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,960 they learn something new or they're speaking about, you 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 know, what they're going through, it's always from that 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,040 singular perspective and, and people and people lose sight of 65 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:46,520 that when dealing with spirits. So and how does that, how does 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,200 that knowing that it's one perspective, what does that tell 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,040 you on a from a longer haul? For a big picture. 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,280 So the longer haul, bigger picture, you know, tells me that 69 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,880 I'm dealing with these individuals individually, if you 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,640 will. Right, OK, you get what I mean 71 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,760 by that. Like it's not. 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 So if I turn on the spirit box, I start talking to a spirit. 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,160 I'm not going to turn around and get, you know, answers to 74 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,760 something that happened, you know, hundreds and hundreds of 75 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,959 miles away from the spirit. OK. 76 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,720 Now, maybe in the next 200 years when the, you know, the ghost 77 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,680 hunters and investigators and, and enthusiasts are talking to 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,200 spirits, in 2-3 hundred years, they'll be able to say, Oh yeah, 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,880 I remember the World Trade Center, even though they're all 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,440 the way in France. You get what I'm saying? 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Because it's a different, yes, it's a different type of, of 82 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,600 pursuit. So it's always that one 83 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,640 perspective and it's, and it's really wild that you really 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,840 start to see it. They and it's almost like they 85 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,720 don't exist outside of that perspective unless you bring 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,400 them into it. And that's when, for example, 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,560 like the spirits are talking about the ranking on TikTok, or 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,400 they mention a gift that gets dropped or even more simple, 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,080 they bring up somebody in the chat. 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaking of the chat, welcome everyone. 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Welcome everyone on TikTok and YT and wherever you may be 92 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,400 watching or listening to Splintered Spirits. 93 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,440 If you are on Santa Paranormal, by all means hop over to 94 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,600 Splintered Spirits and give it a subscribe, give it a like and 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,480 give it a share. Can you give me a practical 96 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,960 example of everything you're talking about? 97 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Like a specific thing that you have listened to that said and 98 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,760 said? That's why this is what I think 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,840 it is. Yeah, so a great example of this 100 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,800 is Anne over at the pre war burial ground. 101 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,840 It didn't take Anne long, you know, long to learn that I was 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,560 on this strange thing that was allowing me to communicate with 103 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,080 the tons of other people. It didn't take her long to 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,040 realize that. In fact, she was even able to 105 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,960 realize, hey, you know, I can't talk to John right now because 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,760 he's not hearing me, but I can talk to the people and respond 107 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,720 to what the people are. It's it's weird. 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,120 And another example that is Edward, when Edward would start 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,960 flipping out on people for sending gifts, like he was able, 110 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,680 you know, through his perspective, he was able to go, 111 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,480 wait a minute, what the Hell's going on here? 112 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,320 I don't want this fool making money, you know, stop sending 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,480 him gifts. He was able to tell. 114 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,880 He was able to figure it all out. 115 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:33,360 Now, to counter your art, your own argument, what would? 116 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,360 What would they be saying that would then make you think that 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,360 that's not what's happening? What would be an example of 118 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,200 something they could say that would make you think otherwise? 119 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,960 So those are and you know what's funny is it does happen, but on 120 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,240 a different level. Like one time I came across a 121 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,840 pair of time travellers, I shit you not, they claim they claim 122 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,960 to be time travellers and they claim to have gotten stuck and 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,080 then died. OK. 124 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,040 That which that completely, you know, that's a, if you're time 125 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,400 traveling, yeah, sure, it's your singular perspective, but now 126 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,920 you have a linear, a not so linear shot of seeing 127 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,000 everything. If they're saying they could, 128 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,160 that means they can pick where they wanted to go, you know, 129 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,000 which is a different, you know, example. 130 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,720 But that's so few and far between. 131 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,400 I think it's only happened once to me. 132 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,360 I think maybe there's someone in the chat that's like, no John, 133 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,400 it happened this time too. And you know, I just don't. 134 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,080 Remember some of your librarians? 135 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,520 They're going through. Oh, I've got them, you know, and 136 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,760 without them, without them, my, my, my stroke brain ass wouldn't 137 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,320 be able to figure out anything, you know? 138 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,560 It's amazing. That's amazing. 139 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,040 All right, well, and then so it's so this is what you've been 140 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,080 doing. You've been going through, 141 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,680 you're literally now going through a lot of your lives in 142 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:57,160 the old videos and you are start of categorizing them and 143 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:04,080 grouping them together to see connections, messaging, 144 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,200 progression, regression, just sort of everything. 145 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Everything themes like think about all the spirits that hit 146 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,200 on me and ask for sex, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy. 147 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,640 And sometimes they're crude about it. 148 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,320 You know, sometimes they don't care. 149 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,400 They will they will sound horrible about it and why not? 150 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,040 They're dead boredom. Thank you for those gifts guys. 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,280 That's kind of you. Boredom is a, is a is a big part 152 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,360 of it. Boredom. 153 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Boredom. Are bored. 154 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:35,240 Yes, spirits are bored. Why are they bored? 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,039 Why do they keep saying they're bored? 156 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,000 You know what? You know what would lead them to 157 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,159 be like? Oh, I'm bored. 158 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,600 It's it's, it's wild, you know, and, and what's crazy about that 159 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,840 too, is like you can hear them talking about being bored, 160 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,640 whether it's a static stream, like if I were to fire up the 161 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,240 spare boxes and walk away from here and we just left and we 162 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,000 left them running. We'll hear the spirits talk 163 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,920 about how they're bored. You know, you'll hear them all 164 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,080 the time You've been at 7th any, any location. 165 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,760 It's like, wait a minute, why are you bored? 166 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,600 What's your reality like that? You know, you're so damn bored. 167 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,360 That's interesting. Yeah, man, it's, it's it also, I 168 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,360 I don't know, I kind of would find it a little offensive 169 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,720 because it's like what I you guys got to be bored to talk to 170 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,800 me. Why can't you just what's what? 171 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,480 I don't have the personality. That's, well, that's one of my 172 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,960 my things. You in on this? 173 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Yeah, when a spirit says they're bored, I'm like, all right, 174 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,960 spirit, if you're bored, then talk to me. 175 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,720 Let's have a conversation. Try to talk to me, you know, 176 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,080 that's what, that's what I try to tell them. 177 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Someone's asking, have you ever used other things other than 178 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,200 apps? Yes. 179 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 They love your show, Lady Calamere. 180 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,320 Yes. Wants to know. 181 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,600 Yes. But we predominantly, we're 182 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,040 predominantly a ghost app guy. So 100% and and the reason, the 183 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,400 reason why is because there is nothing easier and simpler than 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520 firing it up on a device. OK, it's. 185 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,560 Especially when you're walking and moving and. 186 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,080 Exactly. It's just it's just so much 187 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,360 easier to do. I've done it all socially back 188 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,000 in the day with Evps and, you know, using different things. 189 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,040 A lot of people want me to bring EV PS into it and also run EV 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,560 PS. But you know, that's when I got 191 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:18,680 to remind them, hey, listen, I'm documenting. 192 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,440 I am not, I am not ghost hunting. 193 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,960 However. However, one of the big changes 194 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 that's coming up for Santa Paranormal and I'm hoping to 195 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:34,840 have this up and running by December is the actual 196 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,880 investigation process of the tower. 197 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:45,240 While I'm documenting, I am, I'm, I'm creating a essentially 198 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,880 a language model, very rudimentary that all it's going 199 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:54,280 to do is be a, an investigator. And I looked into it. 200 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,320 I, I actually got off live last night early because I had, I 201 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,080 was, I was sitting there and this, this, it's just in the 202 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,560 back of my head and I'm like, I have to make this. 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,280 I have to plan this out and make it so all right. 204 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,520 I want to hear more about this. And I think that's going to be 205 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,440 easy for you to put even, you know, a digital recording device 206 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,400 in there and then you can record and follow up and see if you 207 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,800 hear things that you don't hear and all that stuff. 208 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,440 But our guest is ready to. Lobby awesome. 209 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,560 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a wonderful guest. 210 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Very fun. Goes by the name of Spooky 211 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,560 Scoundrel. Spooky's got over 400,000 212 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:35,400 followers on TikTok, the paranormal investigator and a 213 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,040 ghost tour guide based in Toronto. 214 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,560 I want to hear about some Canadian ghosts. 215 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,920 I wonder if they're nicer there 'cause everybody in Canadians 216 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640 nice in Canada is nice. So I just want to see if the 217 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,200 ghosts are even nicer. Spooky has been exploring the 218 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,000 supernatural since 2005 and began leading public paranormal 219 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,880 investigations in 2021. They teach people how to talk to 220 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,440 ghosts. Specializing in historic and 221 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,920 heritage hauntings, they bring history to life through the 222 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,080 spirits, all with a uniquely level headed, goofy and curious 223 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,960 approach. I've been watching a lot of 224 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,680 Spooky's Tik Toks and I find it very funny because you know, you 225 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,840 know, I have a an affinity for more light hearted, you know, 226 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,280 ghost talk as opposed to the, you know, that kind of thing. 227 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,680 Spooky's already always ready to debunk when possible. 228 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:29,760 Make the paranormal less scary, more accessible, and a whole lot 229 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,480 more fun. Let us bring in Spooky Scoundrel 230 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,840 right now so that the people can meet them. 231 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,880 Spooky welcome. Thank you so much. 232 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,640 Hello. Hello, hello, hello. 233 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,360 And welcome. Thank you for joining us. 234 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Oh thanks so much for having me, this is so exciting. 235 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,320 Oh yeah, is it? Wow, that's yeah, I love talking 236 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,000 about ghosts. I I can't get enough of. 237 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,280 It So now what? Why? 238 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,480 What is it? What? 239 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,640 OK, I want to know. First off, spooky, what happened 240 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,080 that sparked your interest? What? 241 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,680 What made you get into ghosts? That's a really good question. 242 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,600 I feel like I've just been super into ghosts my entire life. 243 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,320 When other people were playing with toys and like going 244 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,080 outside, I was reading about aliens and ghosts. 245 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,440 I would ask everywhere that I would go to if they were 246 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,560 haunted. Just a really a fascination ever 247 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,560 since I can remember. But I also went to a haunted 248 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:28,360 high school, and that's kind of when I really started actively 249 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,720 investigating because I had a place to go to. 250 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,680 But does that mean that you saw something there like that? 251 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 That you had an experience that was OK? 252 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,640 Everything I loved is now being. It's happening. 253 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,720 I'm seeing. Yeah, pretty much. 254 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,480 I worked in the auditorium a lot. 255 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,480 I was on stage crew for a lot of our shows that we've put on and 256 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,800 that meant that I was always one of the first ones in and last 257 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,800 ones out. So we were there alone a lot and 258 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,400 a lot of really strange things happened. 259 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,560 It was a very well known spirit. His name was Jamie. 260 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:05,520 He was a former custodian, and he would mess with the lights 261 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,160 all the time. We would hear the piano play by 262 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,480 itself when no one was even near it. 263 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,640 The fire curtain would come down by itself, even though the only 264 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,560 way it could even be triggered would be if someone like, broke 265 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:20,000 that little box and pulled down the actual alarm. 266 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,880 So yeah, a lot of different things happened. 267 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,760 That sounds like a terrible place to go to high school. 268 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,240 It's just like, you know? I don't know. 269 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,720 It was the best years of my life. 270 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,560 You love it. Spooky. 271 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,520 You don't consider yourself like a medium or anything. 272 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 You, this is just a love of yours and you investigate and 273 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,400 you got into so did you start reading up how, how did you 274 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,800 learn how to become an investigator? 275 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,240 The first year was just figuring it out, really trying things. 276 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,600 I had always kind of gotten in my head that I was going to be a 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,920 paranormal investigator one day, so I had studied parapsychology 278 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,840 just like on my own time. By that point, I was already a 279 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 member of the Toronto Ghosts and Hauntings Research Society here 280 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,360 in my city as well, and. Say that again. 281 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,680 What is that? Oh, sorry, the Toronto Ghosts 282 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 and Hauntings Research Society. OK. 283 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,520 A very fun online database, I guess of all of the different 284 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,840 hauntings in Toronto and Ontario. 285 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,080 And then Ghost Hunters in 2004 was kind of the big one, the TV 286 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,360 show. I was like, oh man, there's 287 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,960 actual people out there doing this. 288 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,520 Sure. Jason Hollis has a lot of 289 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,360 babies, I think. Yeah. 290 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,240 He's got. A lot of babies. 291 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Not an entire generation. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 292 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,080 That's OK. Yeah, they made it. 293 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,040 It made it very OK, like the everyman kind of guy, the 294 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,480 plumber, and then it's like they're out there doing it and. 295 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Yeah, they weren't like, weird by day, I mean. 296 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,040 Basically are weird by day we all are right. 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,920 But yeah, they were just average people. 298 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,880 And then, you know, they had jobs. 299 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,480 And so it kind of showed you like, oh, OK, so this is, you 300 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 know, a hobby that people really enjoy. 301 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,800 Even when I. Worked at Discovery at the time 302 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,920 this I know there was a sci-fi show when I worked at Discovery, 303 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,200 the name we would have for for those types of people that 304 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,120 weren't, you know, that had these incredible hobby. 305 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,400 They were called, we called them passionate obsessives, right? 306 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,680 We always look for like, who's the passionate obsessive? 307 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,640 They didn't have to be learned or have a 17° behind them on 308 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,400 their wall. They just had to know an 309 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,040 incredible amount of knowledge of that stuff, you know, but 310 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,600 there's a guy, this is neither here nor there, but it reminds 311 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,840 it. But it's a it's an example I 312 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,920 used to use. It was the one of these actors. 313 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,760 He was on lost and he was one of the hobbits, you know, and I 314 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,840 forget his name and I'm blanking on his name, but his parents 315 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,480 were what? What are people who study bugs? 316 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Is it entomologist? Entomologist. 317 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,400 This guy can tell you everything about a bug down to like, you 318 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,520 know how there's like 12 what is it 8 class or something could do 319 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,400 go down all the way like any. But he's obsessed. 320 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,120 He loves it 'cause his parent, but he didn't study it. 321 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,240 He's a he's a good actor. He's a working actor. 322 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,400 That's not his study, but he is a passionate obsessive about 323 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,319 this and that's what I find is in. 324 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,800 So now is this what you do full time? 325 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,760 No. What's your day do you have? 326 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,560 What's your day job? My day job is doing online 327 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,839 customer service support for government login services. 328 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,720 Oh my God. Really super the opposite of 329 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,040 ghost hunting. Right, that is so when do you do 330 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,360 but you give tours? Yes, so I consider that kind of 331 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,400 a part time gig. I do that in the evenings. 332 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,440 Ghost tour guide. At this point I've been doing it 333 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,800 for over 10 years so it's honestly just fun. 334 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,040 I sometimes forget it's a job for me. 335 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,480 I just really enjoy telling stories and talking to people. 336 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,080 Is this for our company or is this something you started cuz? 337 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,480 You sort of investigated, Yeah. I wish I'd started it and it's a 338 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,160 fun place to work for. But it's called the Haunted 339 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,400 Walk. We operate in three different 340 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,480 cities in Canada, Toronto, Kingston and Ottawa. 341 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,120 They've been around for I think 30 years this year, so pretty 342 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,560 well established. Like tourism, but showing the 343 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,000 darker side. Got it. 344 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,800 Have you ever been absolutely freaked out yourself? 345 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,560 I've seen some of your videos where you, you know, you sort of 346 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,840 see something that wigs you out, but what happens? 347 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,160 How do you do that? And if you have a bunch of 348 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,320 people with you, what do you do? That's actually the, one of the 349 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,720 hardest things I think is when you have like 20 people with you 350 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,440 who are expecting you to be this really calm storyteller, You 351 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,320 know, who's leading them through this place that you're very 352 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,520 familiar with. And then something happens and 353 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,680 you have to not only keep yourself calm, but also keep 354 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,440 them calm. And that's one of the the harder 355 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,800 things to do. I think at this point in my 356 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,000 career, I've just been doing it for so long and I'm so excited 357 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,280 by the prospect of activity that I look forward to it every time 358 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,480 I go to work. So I get like giggly more than 359 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,200 anything. I get really excitable and I try 360 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,200 to bring my groups in with me into that. 361 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,360 That feeling to try to, to, you know, scary is fun and, and 362 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,000 it's, it's OK to be afraid a little bit, but I think it's 363 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,960 more exciting when you're really curious and really passionate 364 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,320 really about it. Where's your favorite places to 365 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,280 go? Definitely the pioneer village 366 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,960 that I often do all my tours at. It's just so contained in such a 367 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,240 big city. It it feels very quiet. 368 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,040 It feels very calm. And then you've got all these 369 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,840 wild hauntings, like every building is haunted by a 370 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,760 different ghost with different stories. 371 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Why? What? 372 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,600 What's? Give us some history here. 373 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Give it. Oh man, OK. 374 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,360 Give us your Toronto tour like the give us the quick version of 375 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,280 like what is happening in these place that these ghosts like 376 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,120 hanging out in this village. So I think it's a museum by day 377 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,680 and then we do like our darker stuff at night. 378 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,480 I say darker, but you know, it's ghosts and it's a collection of 379 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,360 buildings from around Ontario, our province, that we're all 380 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:10,000 from about the 1940s to 19, sorry, not 1918. 381 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Eighteen 40s to about 1890s. And they all showcase different 382 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,960 things. So like, there's a general 383 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,440 store, there's a tinsmith, there's people's houses, there's 384 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,720 a hotel. So the buildings had a history 385 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,000 before they came to the village in the 1960s, and I think that's 386 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,280 maybe why they're so haunted. Is there places that were likely 387 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,840 haunted before they arrived? And then their new location has 388 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,520 just allowed the haunting to thrive, especially with us going 389 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,160 in and trying to talk to them all the time. 390 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,440 So when you say that it's allowed them to thrive, what 391 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,600 does that, what does that mean? It's a reenacting village, so 392 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,600 they actively pretend like it's 1867. 393 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,400 So they're in like the costumes, they turn butter, they do 394 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,480 farming and all of that stuff. And I think that that has this 395 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,080 way of just staying like lightly in tune with the history of the 396 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,680 building and the ghost stories that might have happened there. 397 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,080 And you think that keeps them? All right, Well, then that leads 398 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,160 to the question I'd like to ask all our guests because it's 399 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,320 perfect. If you think that staying in the 400 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:22,080 time period somehow energizes them or keeps them there or more 401 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,920 active, what is it? Spooky. 402 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,000 What do you think spirits are? That is like the hardest 403 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,400 question ever. Well, that's what. 404 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,680 We're all doing here. What are we doing here? 405 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,760 I mean, it's you know, right, We're trying to figure it out, 406 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,800 but what do you think they are that that keeps you going? 407 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,520 What is it? What? 408 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,480 It doesn't matter if you know it's, you have to have some idea 409 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,800 of what you think it is that you're. 410 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Doing Yeah, I I absolutely do. And I think, you know, we could. 411 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,200 Get into the. Really weird parts of it. 412 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,680 Let's do it, but first tell me what it is like. 413 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,880 What is that thing? So I think it's a combination of 414 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:05,520 really long lasting emotion or like emotional energy in a 415 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,200 sense. So that's, you know, you see a 416 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,520 lot of places where there was certain kinds of specific 417 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,320 attachments, whether it was a home that somebody cared about 418 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,840 deeply or somewhere there was a traumatic incident that let out 419 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,480 that kind of energy. I think that places kind of 420 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,160 contain that they hold on to that. 421 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,920 And then the other side of it is I'm not actually sure that 422 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,000 ghosts are always dead people. I think sometimes we have this 423 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,960 psychological ability to create our own ghosts and interact with 424 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,800 them. There are experiments that have 425 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,800 been done and continue to be done about this. 426 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,360 That's the. Phillips experiment. 427 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,240 I was about to say I'm from the city that that happened in, so 428 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,840 it's one of my favorite places. That's like a famous, very 429 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,560 famous, sort of. Right, absolutely. 430 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,000 And and you know, they did it right. 431 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,040 They were able to essentially talk to a ghost they had 432 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760 created. So I think when we know 433 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,240 something about a a place, a a location, and we go in with that 434 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,000 intention, we are partially responsible for that haunting. 435 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,680 Well, so I'm gonna spit back what you just said in a 436 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,880 different. Yeah, it was long winded. 437 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,720 No, no, 'cause it, it speaks, John. 438 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,240 I think it speaks a lot to it's very similar to say, 'cause 1 439 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,880 you say emotion. Now when I hear emotion, that's 440 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,200 clearly in the mind. That's, that's how you know, 441 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,520 whatever it is, that's a consciousness, that's it. 442 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,760 That's we don't really know how the mind works. 443 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,560 And then you say it's, it's, you know, emotion in our energy. 444 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Well, we do have energy. And, you know, look, John's 445 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,480 theory is that spirits are memories attached to our, the 446 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,160 energy and that is released 'cause it can't, it has to go 447 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,880 somewhere when people pass. So you're very similar, you have 448 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,440 a very similar philosophy on what spirits are. 449 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,200 That's not you. Look, some people come out and 450 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,360 they're like, they think it's a soul. 451 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,440 They think it's, you know, it's more religious, you know, like 452 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,760 we got dipped by God or something. 453 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,240 And then it's like whatever that is, right? 454 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,600 And then but that's, you know, I mean, more power to I don't know 455 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040 if they're right yet. I mean, I hope I I don't hope. 456 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,160 I really don't want to know just yet that answer. 457 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,800 You know, the real, the real question is what kind of dip we 458 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,360 talking about? Are we talking about like, you 459 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,200 know, some good, some good dip that, you know, my wife is 460 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280 making? Or are we talking about the dip 461 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,640 going, you know, back to Who Framed Roger Rabbit? 462 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,800 You know I don't. Know, I don't know do we lose 463 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,600 spook Oh there. You. 464 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,280 No. Yeah, she's not. 465 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,160 So, you know, the, there's that I think a very similar 466 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:39,000 philosophies on what, on what spirits are in, in that respect. 467 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,080 And I think that, you know, now the other thing you were talking 468 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,000 about, it's not is it manifestations by people or not? 469 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,120 You know, I spoke to there, there's certain theories, unlike 470 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,560 the difference between spirits or apparitions versus hauntings 471 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,840 where like that energy, we can release that energy at any time 472 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,360 and it becomes an imprint there, which it's not it's just a 473 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,680 recording, right? It just is the same thing. 474 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,640 Have you ever experienced something that just it's 475 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,160 repetitive as opposed to, you know, like it's, it's just, it's 476 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,160 always gonna happen. Like up it's 3:00, it's 3:00. 477 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880 She's gonna, this ghost is gonna use the bathroom. 478 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,760 You know it's. Yeah, I've definitely 479 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,240 experienced a number of of those kinds of hauntings, residual 480 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,720 hauntings. One of the coolest ones I think 481 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,040 I've ever experienced was one that no one even died. 482 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,200 And that one is hard to explain to people that it was a 483 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,480 haunting, but the energy that was left behind was from 484 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,840 survival. It was from this moment of pure 485 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760 joy. These prisoners escaped this 486 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,880 Fort and they left with their lives. 487 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,520 They were never apprehended again. 488 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,320 And one night I was there and I heard the the men shouting and 489 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,760 it was this unbridled like joy, this literally shouting that you 490 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,320 survived something and made it out alive and, and but they 491 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,680 didn't die it. Wasn't a. 492 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600 It wasn't a. Dead person or a ghost 493 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,600 necessarily. Right, Spooky. 494 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,080 Monkey, how long ago was that? Are they like like they they 495 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,640 escaped? What do you mean by that? 496 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,160 Like they didn't die on the property, they died like 497 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,760 elsewhere or are they still alive? 498 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Much later, this happened in the 1840s. 499 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,480 So they're dead now. It's at an old sport, absolutely 500 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,720 dead now, yes. So that begs the question, the 501 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,480 haunting that I experienced, was it truly that imprint of that 502 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200 joyous moment or did after they pass come back to the moment of 503 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 the most joy they ever had? Who knows? 504 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,800 Well. It's, it's like the episode, 505 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,600 it's like when I talk to Professor Auerbach, you know, 506 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,160 like Lloyd Auerbach. And he was telling me about the 507 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,360 the, the imprint of a couple having sex in this person's 508 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,680 house, but they were still alive. 509 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,080 He went and found the previous owners and said they're 510 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,680 experiencing something at this time every night. 511 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320 And it was like the couple freaked out because they had a 512 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,520 little thing that they like to do every night at that time. 513 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,040 And they left a spectral sex tape in their old apartment. 514 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,240 So it's. Like. 515 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,120 That sort of that sort of thing, you know, that happens. 516 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,640 But yeah, but anyway, right, that could have been such a big 517 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,040 moment. It could big joyous moment that 518 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520 the energy of of the group even could have. 519 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,440 Maybe that is something to that there. 520 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,320 I lean towards this theory more than most. 521 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,880 I I mean, I know I'm biased cause of him, but it's still 522 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,000 starting to feel from others. Energy is always a thing, you 523 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520 know, that memory and and consciousness is always a thing. 524 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,320 And we don't know what those answers are, right? 525 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,600 I mean, it just seems to fall a lot into the into that space. 526 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,840 How long have you been on TikTok? 527 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880 Spooky? How long you been? 528 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,320 2021 I think is when I started. So like a lot of people. 529 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Like, like a lot of people, the pandemic, we were bored, right? 530 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,000 Yeah. Anyways, by accident I I never 531 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,160 expected to to do anything like what I do now. 532 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480 Well, I, I, I love finding that like, you know, building like a 533 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,360 paranormal community and, and on TikTok and it is a big social 534 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,000 and you have a hell of a following, which is really quite 535 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,480 something then. And I believe it's because of 536 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,840 the fun and the joy that you bring to it, you know, and do 537 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,920 you know, what do you notice about your community? 538 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,120 Do you do lives or do you just drop videos or how do you, how 539 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,040 did you build, how did you build this? 540 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,280 And what do you, what kind of reactions are you getting from 541 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,000 people in your, from what you deliver? 542 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,920 I'll admit I'm not as on it as I feel like I probably should be, 543 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480 especially with, you know, people actually interested in 544 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,680 what you're doing. It all happened by accident. 545 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,360 I had one video go mega viral overnight, millions of views 546 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,440 overnight. And that just started this kind 547 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,200 of idea in my mind like, oh, wow, people actually wanna hear 548 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,040 about this? I thought it was just me and my 549 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,840 tiny weird corner of the universe. 550 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,480 And so it's mostly just videos. I do want to, you know, work on, 551 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,520 on getting better, but with it. What I have noticed though, and 552 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,440 what is really, really impactful for me is people messaging me, 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,960 whether by e-mail or in DM, saying things like I've changed 554 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,600 their entire perspective. Just the idea that I can shift 555 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,200 someone from being absolutely terrified of something they're 556 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,600 experiencing even or have experienced, and make it 557 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,880 something more gentle for them or empowering in some way, that 558 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,920 that will never get old, I don't think. 559 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,400 That's wild, right? Spooky what? 560 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,800 What is your what? Like, what's the first thing 561 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,920 that comes to mind when I ask you your favorite tour? 562 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,600 Because you said you do these, you do these tours, you know, 563 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,200 nightly and whatnot. So you know, you're doing it 564 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,480 over and over at the same spots and whatnot. 565 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480 What is your most favorite? Not scary, not, you know, like 566 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,880 crate, like just your favorite overall thing that's happened 567 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880 while giving one of these awesome tours. 568 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,720 Oh I love that question. I have so many that are so, so 569 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,360 fun. I I don't think I'll ever be 570 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,760 able to beat Halloween night. I believe it was two years ago. 571 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560 And part of I think why the story is so fun to me is that it 572 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,440 happened on Halloween night. Like that's just so cliche, 573 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,720 right? You know, you tell that story to 574 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,720 somebody else and they're like, oh, sure, it happened on 575 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,960 Halloween, but it was a series of events that had happened. 576 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,880 We went to do one of my favorite experiments, the Estes method, 577 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,080 and we're going. To talk about that with you in a 578 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040 second and I told you we were. I'm excited. 579 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720 As we got into the session, this woman in my group had a 580 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,760 Nosebleed immediately, and this is like almost two hours into 581 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,160 our night, so you know, it was weird to happen at this specific 582 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,280 time. Her nose starts bleeding. 583 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520 The receiver starts getting really interesting stuff. 584 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Someone else in the group starts hearing footsteps above us on 585 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,920 the first floor of this building. 586 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880 We go look. We don't see or hear anything. 587 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,600 There's no one there. Can't explain it. 588 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Come back down. We hear it again. 589 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,360 This time it's running, like actively running footsteps. 590 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040 So we run back upstairs and we're standing in this hallway 591 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,400 watching an empty hallway and hearing footsteps run towards 592 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440 us. Turn around, run back towards 593 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880 the door, turn around, come back towards. 594 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,440 It's like a back and forth and I cannot explain that. 595 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,080 We'll never be able to explain that. 596 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,480 I had four different people with me witnessing it as well as 597 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,160 people downstairs doing other things. 598 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560 Eventually I was like, we, we have to end our night. 599 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920 I don't know what to do. Like it's still going. 600 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,240 So we said our goodbyes. We went downstairs. 601 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360 I pulled the receiver out of the Estes method and the Nosebleed 602 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,240 in the group stopped at the minute I pulled someone out. 603 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,040 First of all, if I had heard footsteps, you would have one of 604 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,120 those sets of footsteps. Running would have been my own. 605 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,720 We could have narrowed it down like at least one is this guy 606 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,560 who's leaving. He's like out the door. 607 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,040 Out the door. Straight out the door. 608 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640 All right. I mean, that is all right. 609 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,560 That's interesting. Now, the those was the 610 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880 nosebleeder, the person with the blinds, the blindfold on in the 611 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,280 head. No, this is just a witness. 612 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,240 Yeah, just someone else in the group. 613 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,400 All right, listen, let's get into the Estes method for two 614 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840 minutes 'cause I do see that in your feet a lot. 615 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,920 Yeah, yeah, Gary. 'S the thing and I'm not, I'm 616 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,360 not goofing on it. Maybe I am a little, but it's 617 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600 like I just, it's mainly because I don't understand it and I want 618 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040 people to explain it 'cause it's all right. 619 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840 You got the headphones on, you got the blinders on. 620 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,000 You're supposed to be, you know, sound and sight deprivated from 621 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,080 the rest. It's plugged into the spirit 622 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,400 box, right? I got this. 623 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,120 OK, you plug it in there now. Then the other person asks the 624 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,560 question and this person can't. The person who's covered up 625 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880 can't hear anything correct, can't hear you anyway. 626 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120 But then she should just start talking when it hears it. 627 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,480 Why? Why do I want to hear from that 628 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,840 person and not hear from Why am I adding a middleman? 629 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Why do I not want to just hear from the ghost? 630 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,800 What is? Why do we do it? 631 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Really wonderful question. Super question. 632 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,600 Great question. I think that there's too much of 633 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,920 an outsider bias that happens when the person listening for 634 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,680 the answer is also participating in the asking of the questions. 635 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,760 You psychologically will anticipate an answer. 636 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,840 If I ask the ghost what's your favorite color? 637 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,960 The whole group, they're listening to hear a color on the 638 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,480 spirit box for listening out loud. 639 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,520 So by having that one person who cannot hear the questions and 640 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,600 all they're doing is saying what they're what they're hearing in 641 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,840 the radio or the spirit box, when you get that answer that 642 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,560 lines up, you know that it's it's maybe more than coincidence 643 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,560 because it's answering your question. 644 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440 God damn it John, that might be the best answer I've heard for. 645 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080 That 100% because I can back up, I can. 646 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440 That's not it avoids pareidolia. I can back so on on. 647 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,080 Right, that's when you're fighting. 648 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,760 I what, what What they're fighting is audio pareidolia, 649 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,320 which. It really is. 650 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,440 That is, and it's, it's, it's what listen, pareidolia is the 651 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,600 bane of the paranormal. No matter how you doing, whether 652 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,920 you're investigating, whether you're documenting, it is the 653 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,600 worst. It was horrible back when in in 654 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,480 2021-2022 when the phones weren't as good as they are now. 655 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,760 And you can even go back and watch old streams if you save 656 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,000 them. How pixelated backgrounds were, 657 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,159 how groggy the sound was. And people even now, even now I, 658 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,840 I use iPhone sixteens for the strings. 659 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Even now, people will hear things that are not being said. 660 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120 Why? Because they want to hear it. 661 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,320 And it's, it's a pareidolia and it's, it's, it's a horrible when 662 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,120 it happens. So that's a. 663 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640 That's a great answer. That is a great answer and I 664 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,680 wasn't even expecting that answer, but that is a great 665 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,640 that's. A great answer. 666 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,800 That's not the only reason either. 667 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,360 You got another reason I would put it. 668 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,880 By your head. But go ahead, what's another 669 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,960 reason I'm I'm buying that? Reason I I really, I think it's, 670 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,480 it's truly one of the coolest experiments that's come out in a 671 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,240 really long time in the paranormal field. 672 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,120 What's another? Reason. 673 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,000 Another reason is that there's a channeling aspect to it, and 674 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,320 this is the maybe more woo woo side of the answer. 675 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080 We were expecting this one. Yeah. 676 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,280 This is like, yeah. But let me unwoo woo it. 677 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,720 Let me unwoo woo a little bit. It's that mumbo. 678 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,240 Jumbo. It's, it's almost like going 679 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,280 into a trance, right? So you've got this like constant 680 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,880 noise. You can put yourself into a 681 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,280 trance very easily with static sound, white noise, the spirit 682 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,120 box and having that noise directly in your ears with your 683 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,640 eyes. You know your senses removed in 684 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,280 terms of sight and and other sound. 685 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,680 You really, really give in to that rhythm. 686 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,920 They're like. Right. 687 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,040 So it's just. Constant and then you start to 688 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,640 kind of nod off a little bit. There's there's that. 689 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,840 And so the inventors of the method have said that it's 690 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,120 almost like you get out of your own way. 691 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,240 And then is there a channeling aspect? 692 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,480 I'm sure can't prove it right, but that trance does seem to be 693 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,760 what allows you to have more genuine conversation responses. 694 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,880 When I do the Estiz method, I do it for an hour or more. 695 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,160 And that's not something that's easy to show on on video 'cause 696 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,320 it gets boring at a lot of moments, right? 697 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,240 But as you get to that hour long mark, it's the remarkable stuff 698 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,000 starts to happen. You start to get incredibly 699 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,280 direct responses. There are times I've said things 700 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,000 that I know I didn't hear, but that were a direct answer with 701 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520 accurate details. Where did I get it from? 702 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,840 How did I get it from the the spirit box if I didn't even hear 703 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,520 it right? So, you know, you kind of have 704 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,760 to look at that side of it as well. 705 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,760 I guess for me, first of all, I like your first answer better. 706 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,520 I just did cuz it makes it like that makes very clear sense 707 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,720 because it's OK, I could see it. I think what I would also like, 708 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,480 and it's not because I'm a, I wouldn't say I'm, I come look, 709 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,000 this whole podcast, this whole thing that we're doing, we come 710 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,080 from a place of believing first. I, I'm not, I'm, I'm actually 711 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200 not interested in debunking. I think it's on fun. 712 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,120 I'd rather believe it. And then, you know, yeah, 713 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,440 there's 110 reasons why it might not be the thing because what 714 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,360 we're talking about ghosts, you know what I mean? 715 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,840 So yeah, who knows what's happening? 716 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,080 So let's come from a place of curiosity, right? 717 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,880 I want to just, you know, just stay curious about it. 718 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,640 So what I would like to see though, in an s s method is why 719 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,080 not do a splitter so that you're recording the sound, you know, 720 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,920 the, the sound box, the spirit box, and so you can play it back 721 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,840 later and compare. I would I would like to hear the 722 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120 comparison. So of both of those things, on 723 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,680 that note, I have figured out how to hook up my digital 724 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,600 recorder to the spirit box so that you can record the direct 725 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,320 output from the spirit box and not have it be like a microphone 726 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,400 or, you know, grainy. So it's like the actual pure 727 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,840 channel from the spirit box. Yeah. 728 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,120 And then you could sync it up with the actual answers. 729 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,400 Have I done that experiment yet? I need to find someone to do it 730 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,840 with me. Get on it cuz I want to watch 731 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,440 it. I want. 732 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,920 To see. Get on that. 733 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,920 That is something I will watch. For sure 100. 734 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,240 Percent because I think that is the that puts it look, when I 735 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,720 first saw it, my belief of it was that the the reason those 736 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,440 Nets did it in the hotel was for a visual because they were 737 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,040 making the documentary and it looks fun, right? 738 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,000 Like it's visually interesting. You got somebody in the like, 739 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,240 the thing, they're wrapped up and it's just like, you know, 740 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:54,240 and then so much. What are they? 741 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160 Doing yeah, it's spooky stuff and it's like, you know, the 742 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,520 whole thing, but then I just didn't get it. 743 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,440 But God damn if that paranormal if that pareidolia answer isn't 744 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,200 a great, really great reason to try it to see, to cut out. 745 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,440 It blows your mind. When it works, it blows your 746 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,600 mind. But to rule out that right, the 747 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,640 the idea that you're putting the thought into their head to hear 748 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,600 it ahead of time, that all right. 749 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,040 Which happens all the time. No. 750 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,280 Absolutely. Literally happens all the time. 751 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,560 That that that's what is. It's one of the biggest things 752 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,720 that I that I battle with when you know, live streaming my 753 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,520 documentation is people hearing things that aren't being said 754 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080 and then they have a hard time understanding, Hey, listen, 755 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,680 you're getting this second hand regardless, you're getting this 756 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,600 second hand. I'm getting it first hand. 757 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,000 I'm hearing it and and another way that translates to was like 758 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,240 every any low voices will translate to the people watching 759 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,240 as burps. They're like, oh, walking for 760 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160 for about a year. I kept getting hit with the same 761 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,200 question. John, why is that spirit 762 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,280 burping? Why is that spirit burping? 763 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,960 And then all of a sudden it dawned on me. 764 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,440 Wait a minute. The everyone's asking why the 765 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120 spirits burping right after I just heard a low voice. 766 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Oh, that's translating to you guys as a burp instead of, you 767 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,800 know, leave here now, John, you know, like something like that. 768 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,880 And it's, it's, it's wild. Well, yeah, we're getting, you 769 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,080 know, we get some weird, you know, so I don't know how often 770 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,000 you watch John. John is predominantly live all 771 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,800 of his. Stuff is live. 772 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,760 I do watch John. So he's he's all live and and we 773 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,440 did an episode we just dropped about Buck out Rd. where he goes 774 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,560 all the time. And there was a part of the 775 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,840 interview where he turns because he's like, I just heard a 776 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,920 child's voice. And then we listened back and I 777 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,360 and I isolated his audio. And you know what we all heard 778 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,320 what I heard on there was like as if you were wearing a mic and 779 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,320 you rub it. It was like A and then he turns 780 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160 like it's like A and he turns that he he's telling me. 781 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,760 I just heard a child say my name. 782 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,600 But on the but what we recorded was a sound and you know, that's 783 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,080 real. We make a bit out of it in the 784 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,120 episode. I'm not going to spoil it for 785 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,080 anybody who hasn't watched it yet. 786 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,880 So it's kind of fun, But but the the sound was is 100% real and 787 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,600 strange. And he doesn't wear a mic. 788 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,920 I mean, he's barely wearing a shirt. 789 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,880 So it's like there's definitely no mic on there. 790 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,000 It's a ripped T-shirt he's got on. 791 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,800 So it just becomes it's weird, right, How people, I don't know 792 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,840 what's going on in his head to die. 793 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,360 I I think he's a witch of some kind. 794 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,440 The way he gets what he gets, you know, a medium of of I think 795 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,960 he I think he does have superpowers in in this ghost 796 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,160 space to get what he gets. But I do find that interesting 797 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,720 that people hear things a different way and it can and 798 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,120 that that leads to a whole other art talk about frequency that 799 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000 we've heard and vibration that we get into with a lot of people 800 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,720 too. That'll be, you know, in as I'm 801 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,120 learning about this stuff. Spooky. 802 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,440 How do you keep it? Because you do have a very fun, 803 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,080 light hearted tone to our to your, to your feet and to how 804 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,400 you tell these stories, which I love. 805 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,240 I I like it. I I'm a big fan of that. 806 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,160 I like, let's take the piss out of this a little bit, you know, 807 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,360 like just let's just have some fun. 808 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,440 How do you keep it that way? Have you ever been scared and 809 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640 been like, I can't use this, it's too scary or I have to 810 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,840 figure out how to turn it so it's not scary? 811 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,520 Luckily that hasn't happened to me. 812 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,520 I, I guess I, I find the more silly you are with the spirits, 813 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,120 the more silly they're right back. 814 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,840 And so, you know, when you approach it with the silliness 815 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,760 in this light hearted, fun, playful energy, it's hard to get 816 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,440 something really terrifying. I find I've had moments where I 817 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920 wasn't actively looking for something and something 818 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,200 unsettling or spooky happened. And those moments, you know, 819 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,800 sometimes, yeah, I get a little scared. 820 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,960 I jump, I startles me. I'm definitely not as easy to 821 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,480 scare as I think I was, you know, 10 years ago. 822 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,840 John, you probably feel the same way. 823 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,000 Like, you know, things happen to you all the time. 824 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,720 It just gets fun. You're just like, awesome. 825 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,440 Hey, you're here. I get scared constantly. 826 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,080 Do you like horror movies or you're like a horror movie? 827 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,120 I do. I do. 828 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,480 I love horror movies. I won't. 829 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,960 Maybe that's what it is. No, I mean, I find that after I 830 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,960 watch a horror movie, I'm exhausted from being like tense 831 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,240 and I just did a workout like the whole time. 832 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,240 It's awful. And my wife will film me 833 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,280 secretly because I grabbed my dog and I'm like, you know, just 834 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,960 holding my dog, terrified of the whole thing. 835 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600 And it's just it's the absolute worst. 836 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,960 The greatest jump scare in history is a total side point. 837 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,720 By the way, there was a Netflix, you know, that Netflix series. 838 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,360 I think it was The Haunting at Hill House or something with the 839 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,720 bed neck lady. Right. 840 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,400 Is that the one about the house in Connecticut? 841 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,320 No, I don't. I don't know where. 842 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,200 It was second one I think. That might have been the second 843 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,320 one. The first one. 844 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,680 The first one is wonderful and there's like a bent the bent 845 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600 neck lady ghost, right? It's dude. 846 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,720 It is. There is an episode in the 847 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,160 middle. I don't even remember which one, 848 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,560 and I wouldn't want to tell anybody to spoil it. 849 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,720 That has the absolute greatest jump scare that I've I I might 850 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,560 have jumped across the room. It jumped. 851 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,000 It was so bad, if you think about it, I, I don't know, I 852 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,960 don't want to spoil it for people, but you know, fuck the 853 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,120 people. It's in a car. 854 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:23,080 It happens in a car and it's like it is unbelievable and you 855 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,160 just, it is so unexpected anyway. 856 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,160 Don't you love it like you know you're after? 857 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,760 It and you're like, I'm just I can't then I'm tired. 858 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,320 You know what I mean? I just don't want to deal with 859 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,280 it. What else can I ask you here? 860 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:43,920 It's have you found a difference in well, here's the question, do 861 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,720 you ever get out of Canada? Do you go other places and you 862 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,640 know, like it seems like you like historical spots. 863 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,600 Where have you, have you ever gotten a chance that's really 864 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,280 different from your, you know, your regular haunts? 865 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,720 You know, I haven't. And I think that's really what 866 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,800 I'm looking for. I think I'm, I'm starting to get 867 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,640 to this point where I'm like, I'm, I'm too accustomed to my 868 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,280 own hauntings. I'm, they're too predictable in 869 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,480 a way. Sometimes I want to go somewhere 870 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,160 I don't know anything about that's just totally out of my 871 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,360 comfort zone. That's that's kind of my next 872 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400 goal, I guess for, for investigating is finding 873 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,120 somewhere that'll get me. I want I want to be gotten 874 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,040 again. I want to go back to, you know, 875 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,960 the early days. Be careful what you wish for, 876 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,040 Spooky. I don't know if you want. 877 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,080 To be. I'm talking about there. 878 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,960 We're talking about ghosts, man. Let's see. 879 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,560 Does anybody have any questions in the chat? 880 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,440 Let's jump to the chat. We are live. 881 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,760 I can let. Yeah, I can look and see what's 882 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,000 going on here. Let's. 883 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,720 One day I'll be able to read the chat. 884 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,440 So yeah, you'd have to go into like all the different things, 885 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,520 yeah. You gotta get off your phone. 886 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,640 Yeah cuz I'm all over, right? I'm on wide we're simulcast in 887 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,400 like 4 different spots and it pulls them all into one place 888 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960 except for TikTok, which I'm looking at TikTok too. 889 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,680 That's why you see my eyes looking like this. 890 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,880 It's not that I'm ignoring you. You're trying to be rude. 891 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,040 What do we got here? What movie again? 892 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,800 I was talking about I think it's the haunting of Hill House. 893 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,080 It's a Netflix series that I was talking about some people on on 894 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,120 the TikTok feed would love for you to go to on some of John's 895 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,480 haunts, you know, to see like yeah, cuz he's got John's got 896 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,640 some nasty ghosts there's. Some I want them. 897 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,840 Bring me to your nasty ghosts, John. 898 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,800 The nasty ghosts. So I got some nasty ones and 899 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,000 whatever your definition of nasty is, I got it. 900 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,240 You know, it's just, it's just the way it is here. 901 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,640 I got some good ones too though. Hey, good people. 902 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,160 Don't forget about those good spirits. 903 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,000 Right. They're people who's got some 904 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,560 questions. Anybody got questions about 905 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,480 them? Spooky. 906 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,000 We got some sweetheart spirits. Let's I always like the nice 907 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,600 one. I mean, you know, obviously it's 908 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960 a. Nice, We like to have. 909 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,720 Conversations, but I like the ones that are like there to 910 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,960 interact also. Yeah, like Spooky, the best the 911 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,560 conversations that I have ever had have been been have been 912 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,400 with pleasant spirits. Now, content wise, people want 913 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,000 more dark. You know, they always, they 914 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,680 remember the dark more. They want the darker stuff. 915 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,480 But listen, I've been doing this for a while and I've seen people 916 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,200 in the paranormal rise and fall. People get into it and then drop 917 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,880 off. And the reason is they submerge 918 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,200 themselves in that darkness, you know, and that negative 919 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,960 headspace and it, it, it affects people, you know, So I like, I 920 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,200 like best of both worlds. Give me the sweet spirit that's 921 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,880 going to say that they, they don't mind me hanging out there 922 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,560 and, you know, going to talk to me and then give me the spirit 923 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,360 that's going to tell me to go fuck myself. 924 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560 You know, I'm cool with I'm cool with it all, so. 925 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,960 Spooky what? Here's some questions. 926 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,120 What what devices do you used when you investigate? 927 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,840 Like what is your go to? I mean spear box I obviously I 928 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040 really like the R.E.M. pod. I know it's very easily debunk 929 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,600 able, but I do my best to keep all of the potential triggers 930 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,400 out of the environment. A good old digital recorder. 931 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,160 I think a lot of the time because I deal with historic 932 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,200 heritage sites, I like the old school methods. 933 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,000 I try not to go too, too much on the gear and the equipment 934 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,760 because I kind of worry sometimes it scares them a 935 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680 little bit like if they're not too ghost the the spirits. 936 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,040 Yeah, like if they're. Easily scared, by the way. 937 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,040 From the 18. Hundreds how, but they are. 938 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,320 You know, lights. And beeps and stuff like that, 939 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,600 you know, might confuse them. So I'm actually working on 940 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,600 developing a couple of my own tools as well to try to limit 941 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,000 strange things like beeping and and lights. 942 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,680 Spooky, do you? These are all questions from the 943 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,280 chat. Spooky, do you? 944 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,480 Yeah. Do you always go alone or do you 945 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,440 usually go with someone? I try to go with someone and 946 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,640 it's not for the reason you probably imagine. 947 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,680 It's not because I'm scared. It's actually cuz I don't trust 948 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,880 myself enough to have an experience and like be able to 949 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,640 fully say that was 100% an experience I had. 950 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,600 So having a witness is, is always what I want. 951 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,000 But I I do go alone sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't 952 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,880 have somebody to go with you. Have you ever had a? 953 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,520 Here's another one from Mama Lisa. 954 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,640 Have you ever had a physical experience? 955 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,720 Like has have you ever been touched or physical? 956 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,320 Tell us about. That yeah, yeah, I've been 957 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,200 touched. I've been touched just like a 958 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,920 casual, you know, like tap on the shoulder or, you know, 959 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,280 tugging on a jacket or pants or something like that. 960 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,520 But one of the most amazing ones that I will never forget is I 961 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,360 was about to fall backwards down a staircase and literally 2 962 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,120 hands on my shoulders like full 10 fingers all hand pushed me up 963 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,640 right and and definitely saved me from cracking my head open. 964 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,320 That's the difference between Canadian ghosts and US ghosts. 965 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,520 I'm very kind 100. Percent. 100% that's a Canadian 966 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,440 ghost and. He was like. 967 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,240 You are a ghost over here. Would be like I was just 968 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:55,800 listening to Stark I. See you, Stark. 969 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,840 Yeah, it's that's definitely a Canadian ghost, right? 970 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,160 I think for us, we would want the pratfall and the laugh, 971 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,240 Yeah, You know, cuz if you don't get hurt, it's funny. 972 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,520 If you got hurt, it's tragedy. I went on tour so I'm glad it 973 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,320 didn't come to that cuz I could have traumatized like 15 people. 974 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,360 Sure, that's interesting. So wait, can you tell us a 975 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,920 little about what you think you're trying to make to catch 976 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,320 ghosts? Yeah, I'm essentially building 977 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,280 a, a R.E.M. pod, I guess, that is going to function as a slight 978 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,320 proximity sensor, but more so capacitive touch sensor. 979 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,760 So if something comes in contact with an object specifically I 980 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,360 want to be able to hook it up to different objects and use those 981 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,280 objects as a trigger for the spirit. 982 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,440 So an object that might be kind of mundane in their lives, you 983 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,320 know, a cookware or a plate, something that can be connected 984 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,480 to the device in another room so that it's not interfering 985 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,240 immediately in the room that the activity is happening in. 986 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,600 I'm also building similarly a my brother who did his master's in 987 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120 capacitive touch and stained glass. 988 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,320 We're building a stained glass panel that depending on where it 989 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160 gets touched, it might have a small light go off. 990 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,440 Because I think art might intrigue a spirit, and they'll 991 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,480 want to, like, touch it. All right, so, and I'm sorry, 992 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,480 it's called what? What kind of touch it's? 993 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,840 Capacitive touch. Capacitive touch. 994 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,080 So it's, so basically you're doing something where it's like, 995 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,600 I'm just explaining it from really, I'm explaining it for 996 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,160 myself slowly. Yeah. 997 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,240 So I can understand what's happening. 998 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,320 You're it's, it's got whatever sort of wires or sensors on it 999 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,520 so that if it is, it feels, I guess a physical touch or heats 1000 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,880 or what, what would, what defines a touch from a spirit to 1001 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,080 set it off that you're trying? To do so, that's like. 1002 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,800 Could a person touch? It could go off, yeah, 100%. 1003 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,320 Because what it is is it's like the, you know, I'm not a sciency 1004 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,760 person. So it's like the electrodes or 1005 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,240 whatever coming out of your fingertips. 1006 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,600 Like when you touch that, it completes the circuit. 1007 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120 And so by completing the circuit, then the light goes 1008 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,720 off, the alarm goes off, Right. OK. 1009 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,760 The the question is, does it work the same with a ghost? 1010 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960 And so that's, you know, you'd have to go through all of the 1011 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,720 testing and stuff. It seems like maybe because the 1012 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,400 R.E.M. Pod works similarly, but it has 1013 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,200 to be in the testing phase to say anything more about that 1014 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,320 part. That's. 1015 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,320 So is it gonna be like like 2 alligator clips coming out? 1016 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,040 Yeah. One on the object and then 1017 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,600 where's the other? The other alligator clip is 1018 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,400 gonna be on something for the spirits to touch or? 1019 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,240 Yeah. So it'll all kind of. 1020 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,240 So it's gonna be. Don't get kinky dude, don't. 1021 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,520 Get kinky it's like a box with, you know, toggle switches cuz 1022 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,680 why not and then just get. Kinky, you know. 1023 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,160 Keep it clean. It's still after hours yet. 1024 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,840 Yeah, there's gonna be an alligator clip going to the 1025 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,680 object itself and then to potentially a copper plate as 1026 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,400 well, but then to the electronics on the inside, OK. 1027 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,080 Cool. Here's here's a good question 1028 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,480 that came in and and a good standard one for people who do 1029 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,640 what you what you both do. Spooky. 1030 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,760 How do you keep entities from attaching to you? 1031 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960 Or do you believe in attachment? Do you believe that that can 1032 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,480 happen? I, I don't believe in it the way 1033 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,760 that I think is like public, public understood, publicly 1034 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,600 understood or thought of. I think that, you know, anything 1035 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,760 can want to attach to you if you especially are admitting like a 1036 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,520 really nice energy or whatever. But I also am a firm believer 1037 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,600 that at least in my interaction, spirits are a lot more aware 1038 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,240 than we realize. And I don't think they want to 1039 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,800 go with you anywhere. Like a lot of the time I think 1040 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,400 that they're OK with where they are AT and if they didn't want 1041 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,040 to be there, they would just leave the actual document in 1042 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,120 cases of attachments. There's, there's not many. 1043 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,680 There's very, very few. It's, it's a bit of a tricky 1044 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920 thing to discuss cuz some people really believe it and some 1045 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,440 people have had experiences where they're like, I had one. 1046 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,120 And I'm not gonna ever deny somebody those experiences, but 1047 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,720 I I think they're a lot more rare than people make them out 1048 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,480 to be. Well, that and that. 1049 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,320 And when you think about it, it's like, you know, relative to 1050 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,720 what, Right. Like, think about relative to 1051 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,440 what attachment, OK. Are you talking about something 1052 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,720 actually sinking its teeth into you and not letting go or 1053 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,960 something that might have followed you from the grocery 1054 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,640 store into, you know, a bookstore, You know, and like 1055 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,040 you said, spirits, you know, I agree with that. 1056 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,880 Spirits want to go where they're going to go. 1057 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,400 They stay where they want to stay. 1058 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,320 Sometimes they get a little confused, sometimes they 1059 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,960 unconfused themselves. But regardless, it's, it's 1060 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,360 literally that they, they do what they want, right? 1061 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,800 Essentially. So yeah, like I the whole 1062 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,760 attachment thing, people are so stuck on attachments. 1063 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,440 They really are. Like, yeah, yeah, no, I was just 1064 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,000 gonna say sorry. I think there's, with 1065 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,360 attachments, it's a lot more psychological than than 1066 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,680 paranormal. I think that if you go in, 1067 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,400 especially to a location where maybe there's a more aggressive 1068 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,800 spirit and you know that you're gonna expect to have a bad time. 1069 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,240 You're gonna think about, oh, I don't want this attached to me. 1070 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,240 You're gonna get scared. You're gonna get in your head. 1071 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,200 Things are gonna happen. You're gonna go, Oh my gosh, 1072 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,760 it's the attachment. But at what point did you 1073 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,880 actually prove that it was, you know, like, are you looking into 1074 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,240 that at all? Are you trying to figure out 1075 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,240 what what is happening or are you just jumping to that 1076 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,480 conclusion because you know you were in a scary spot? 1077 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,920 And that goes back to what we, you know, kind of what we 1078 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,720 started about or we mentioned when we started, like are you 1079 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,520 manifesting? Are you the architect of your 1080 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,120 own nightmare in the word way, right? 1081 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,360 I mean, is it? That 100%. 1082 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,000 Are are you hearing yourself fucking pareidolia for the 1083 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,840 goddamn SDS method? I'm so glad to have been part of 1084 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,080 this moment. This like mind opening. 1085 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,120 So what's really interesting about like, like the whole like 1086 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,280 middleman thing and you know, Gary, like why, why, why, why 1087 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640 would somebody do that? And Perry Paradilia being a 1088 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,880 great answer for that in my documentation, I never do it. 1089 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,480 I stay away from the method because I try to do 1090 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,320 documentation that everybody can see in here, regardless if 1091 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,680 they're seeing and hearing wrong, it's still part of the 1092 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,920 data coming in, right? And, you know, let's be real in, 1093 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,720 in, in the, in 2025, you know, in this social media age that we 1094 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,520 are in, because we are in peak social media, social media age. 1095 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,400 Now there are many people out there that oh, s s, you know, 1096 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,800 blah, blah, blah, They do that. They put, they get everything 1097 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,320 going. And what they are saying is just 1098 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,960 complete horseshit. You know, and a lot of, and a 1099 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,240 lot of people don't like to say it, but it's the truth. 1100 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,880 You know, now you know where you're coming from. 1101 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,520 You're you're, you're a shining example of if you're going to do 1102 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,160 the method, do it right. So, you know, that's, that's 1103 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,120 awesome. I want it. 1104 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,880 I expect to see that recording. I want to see you. 1105 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,000 Do that absolutely 100%. I want to see that split because 1106 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,560 that's. Oh, I'm so intrigued. 1107 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040 I'm so intrigued because I want to see at what point is it 1108 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,000 something that actually was heard or like, was it your brain 1109 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,760 filling in a gap? Was it you completing a word 1110 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,560 that came through only half a word? 1111 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,920 I I from a investigation perspective, I want to see that 1112 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,000 difference. So do I. 1113 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,920 I'm fast now. It's like now I'm meant to no, 1114 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,280 you gotta try it, God damn it. That's the other thing about the 1115 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,840 method, I think, that it's hard to watch someone do it and fully 1116 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,440 believe, especially on social media, you know, like it could 1117 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,360 totally be scripted. You have no idea. 1118 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,080 Trying it yourself changes everything. 1119 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,040 When you have that session where you're like, I don't even 1120 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,920 remember what I was saying and it was half accurate, you know, 1121 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,800 are more than half accurate, those are the incredible 1122 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,400 sessions that that make you wonder what's happening. 1123 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,200 Spooky. This has been incredibly fun. 1124 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,240 I am. So glad. 1125 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,720 You agreed to come on. Where do people find you? 1126 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,400 Do I have? Let me. 1127 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,040 Let's make sure we tell the good people where to find you. 1128 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,040 Is it spooky dot scoundrel? Spooky dot Scoundrel, TikTok 1129 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160 and. YouTube right there I just put 1130 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,520 it up on the board. Hopefully you guys can see it 1131 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,960 spooky dot schedule oh wait, it's a little too small here for 1132 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,840 this. Let me shrink this a little so 1133 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,560 the folks can see the name. Put it up again for everybody 1134 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,520 who didn't catch it the first time. 1135 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,640 There you go at spooky dot schedule on TikTok, Instagram. 1136 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,360 Not Instagram. Not. 1137 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,960 Instagram sorry. YouTube YouTube TikTok spooky 1138 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,120 dot schedule. And it's really fun. 1139 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,600 Spooky's got it. Yeah, right. 1140 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,960 Yeah, I just made that up. Spooky's got a great feed. 1141 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:05,040 They're very fun stories and they have a great way of telling 1142 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,560 those stories, so I encourage you all to follow Spooky 1143 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,920 Scoundrel 'cause it was great and thank you so much. 1144 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,040 This was a real pleasure. Thank. 1145 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,880 You awesome. Thanks for having me. 1146 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:16,960 Awesome. Of course. 1147 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680 Just leave your browser on for a minute until it says fully 1148 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,160 uploaded when we as we say goodbye to you, and then we're 1149 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,200 gonna brag about you and talk about you a little more behind 1150 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,040 your back while you're away. And I thank you so much. 1151 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,000 It was a real pleasure. It really was. 1152 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,520 It it was great. If you ever want to chat again, 1153 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,480 even off cameras, I can't get enough talking about ghosts we 1154 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,760 love. It welcome. 1155 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,480 It awesome. Awesome. 1156 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,080 Have a good night. Bye. 1157 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,480 Bye. Thank you all. 1158 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,760 Right. They gave listen, they gave you 1159 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,680 a great answer that. Was a great answer dude. 1160 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,360 That was a great answer. They gave you a great answer. 1161 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,280 That I mean, I, I saw a little, I saw it in little in your face 1162 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,280 too, that that was a good. Answer because, because that's 1163 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,880 the answer. Because you know what? 1164 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,680 You know what the worst part about how great you want to 1165 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680 know, the worst part about how great that answer is, is that 1166 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,920 the 2 Dicks like us have been talking about it for so long and 1167 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,720 we didn't think of that as a possible answer. 1168 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,760 We never said it out loud. But it's like that's of course 1169 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,880 that makes total sense. Like you, you get rid of the 1170 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,680 bias that puts in your head of what you want to hear. 1171 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,240 The only thing is what you're doing is you're trading that 1172 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,600 biased for the wait a minute or or you know, is that person full 1173 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,320 of shit? Well, that's today. 1174 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,240 Well, we don't know, right? You have to, but that's. 1175 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,800 The only thing it's got to be someone you trust. 1176 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,800 You trust, right? You have to go at it and think. 1177 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,280 Gotta be somebody. Come at it from a place of 1178 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,760 belief, right? If you come at it from a place 1179 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,960 of belief and you're and you, let's assume everyone's, you 1180 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,120 know, being on the up and up, then that's why you're then it's 1181 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,480 then you're doing it right. But if it's just like somebody 1182 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,400 yelling out words, you know, what can I do? 1183 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:53,520 You know what? There's, what can I do? 1184 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,480 I, I can't, I can't say if they're lying or not. 1185 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,360 You know, I, I don't know what to, how to answer that. 1186 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,920 You know, if they're faking it, so it goes. 1187 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,080 But that was a great answer. Yeah, yeah. 1188 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,920 Spooky schedule, everybody. Wonderful. 1189 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,520 Well, guys, today is Thursday, September 4th. 1190 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,360 On Tuesday, September 9th, we have our interview with Amy 1191 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,200 Bulaski from the Bulaski Experience. 1192 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,600 Is that right? Do you have the date? 1193 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,160 Am I sure? Is it the Bulaski method or the 1194 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,160 Bulaski experience? Hold on. 1195 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,640 I thought it was the Bulaski's experience. 1196 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,160 Yes, the bulaski experience Amy Bulaski, she is one of the most 1197 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:39,760 popular and highly rated social media psychic mediums out there. 1198 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,840 She's absolutely wonderful and her perspective on spirits and 1199 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,800 communicating with spirits using and, and the idea of Voxi 1200 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,160 approved frequency and vibration. 1201 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,880 Again, going back to this Hermetic, Hermetic principles of 1202 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,080 vibration, this Kabalian sort of belief, which I don't know if 1203 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,880 she even recognized or follows. I think that's just, it's just a 1204 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,640 natural frequency for her 'cause I, when I brought it up, she 1205 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,040 sounded like she'd never read about it. 1206 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,520 But it's still, which sort of makes it feel even more legit, 1207 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,680 right? When someone's doing something 1208 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,680 that they didn't know was a thing or didn't realize was. 1209 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,600 Yeah, they're just, yeah, they're doing it just naturally. 1210 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:27,440 You know, just naturally she's wonderful and she's guys. 1211 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,400 She has had four near death experiences. 1212 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,520 She has a slew of medical issues that have strengthened her 1213 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,680 connection to spirit. It's a whole different way to 1214 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,640 look at things. She's a wonderful guy. 1215 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,960 She's a big personality on online. 1216 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,360 I mean, you'll find her on TikTok at the Pulaski. 1217 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,120 I mean, she's got like 3 1/2, almost three and a half million 1218 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,200 followers. I mean, she's huge and we are 1219 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,520 very lucky to have her. We are very lucky to have spooky 1220 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,200 scoundrel today. We have a lot of good guests 1221 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,600 coming up. We've got who are some of the 1222 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,360 others? Oh, after, after Pulaski, we've 1223 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,480 got we're going to a little week of past life regression. 1224 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,080 I know that was a lot for people. 1225 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,520 They really wanted us to get into that and like get into 1226 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,240 that. That's a whole other mind F 1227 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,840 that's like a whole other thing past life regression. 1228 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:26,280 And then we've got some we've got, Oh, I got the executive 1229 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,280 producer of one of the ghost adventure shows House calls is 1230 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,720 going to be on. If you guys like those ghost 1231 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,960 shows talks about, you know a little more behind the scenes on 1232 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,800 that stuff. Yeah, which is awesome. 1233 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,160 And we've got a couple more executive producers coming on to 1234 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,920 who've produced some of your favorite shows, you know, from 1235 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:50,360 Skinwalker Ranch to he was even producer on Ghost Hunters the 1236 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,320 first season, you know, the original so. 1237 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,640 And that, and that's, that's just so wild because it's a, 1238 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,560 it's a, it's a window. It's, it's a site and knowledge 1239 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,880 that normally isn't presented in the, in the paranormal. 1240 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,080 You know, we're gonna, we're gonna hear from the people that 1241 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,720 are essentially producing the content. 1242 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,200 Yeah, which is why there's there's so much love hate of 1243 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,560 that content, right. You know, because it's fake, 1244 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,080 it's TV, it's fake, blah, blah, blah. 1245 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,520 Yeah, it's still. It's a great dive, guys. 1246 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,680 I'm telling you, it's a great. It's it's it's. 1247 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,320 So we got a lot of good stuff coming up. 1248 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,840 Keep listening, keep watching. What else can I tell you? 1249 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,960 Good people stay curious for Christ's sake. 1250 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,160 We have a good thing going here. And it's we want you to keep 1251 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,760 watching and we want you to share it. 1252 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:46,600 Remember, like subscribe share here on TikTok, on YT, if you're 1253 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,680 watching on standard paranormal go to splintered spirits. 1254 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360 Please give us, you know, subscribe to our channel. 1255 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,440 We are very close to hitting our. 1000. 1256 01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:01,920 One first, our first goal of 1000 Subs and it's free to do. 1257 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,200 Yeah, that's it. That's all I got for us today, 1258 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,960 man. Awesome. 1259 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,640 Do you have anything you wanted? A good one, people. 1260 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,160 No, no, nothing at all, other than the fact that you guys are 1261 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,400 awesome. Stay curious and, you know, make 1262 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,920 sure you guys catch up when you can. 1263 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,760 A lot of episodes, a lot to catch up on. 1264 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,200 Yeah, man, we're having a lot of fun. 1265 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,720 And we've it's we're gonna we're gonna try to close out the air. 1266 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,320 Oh, and if you haven't noticed, on the weeks that we don't drop 1267 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,640 a brand new episode, we've been going back and dropping those 1268 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:41,760 episodes that never had video with video. 1269 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,760 With video. Bigger. 1270 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,960 Longer, less cut. There's still some edits in it. 1271 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,400 There's still some edits in it, but they are like, you know, I 1272 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,600 dropped the full interview with Lloyd. 1273 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,520 I dropped, we're going about to drop episode one, just twice as 1274 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,880 long. My initial interview with John, 1275 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,600 I'm doing, I'm going to drop the full reading that Kathy gave me 1276 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,320 from episode 6. So we're going to, there's a lot 1277 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,520 of fun, you know, with some back story and some things now that 1278 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,760 we're, you know, we're hitting. So check it out, keep following. 1279 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,640 But if you're going to admit, if you're not subscribed, you're 1280 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,600 not going to see these announcements and these drops. 1281 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,000 So that's it. John, this is a good one here. 1282 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,400 Gary, awesome man, everybody. Thank you. 1283 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,400 Thanks so much folks.