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Dabba dabba, dabba dabba dabba 
dabba. 

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You can argue with a psychic all
you want to. 

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Welcome to Splintered Spirits. 
I'm your host Gary, along with 

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my nephew John Santa from Santa 
Paranormal, where we ask the 

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question, what are spirits? 
Today we're joined by one of the

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most recognizable psychics and 
mediums on the planet, Chip 

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Coffee, who shares stories of 
his upbringing. 

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Some of his cases, which by the 
way, have some sexually graphic 

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detail. 
If you are easily shaken or dumb

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enough to be listening to John 
and I in the car with young 

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kids, you know Chip From hit 
television shows like Kindred 

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Spirits, Psychic Kids, and 
Paranormal State. 

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He has decades of work helping 
families, investigators, and 

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audiences face the reality of 
what might still linger after 

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death. 
Chip has conducted thousands of 

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readings, comes from a lineage 
of spiritual sensitivity, and 

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has never been afraid to say 
exactly what he thinks. 

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And what makes this especially 
fun is that Chip does not just 

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challenge spirits, he takes a 
few shots at me. 

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Which is exactly why talking to 
someone with his immense 

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experience matters. 
Let's dive into the 

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conversation, Chip. 
Welcome to Splintered Spirits. 

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It's good to be here. 
Hi, guys. 

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Going on, Chip, thank you for 
joining us. 

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John, I can't think of a I can't
think of another guest. 

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I think this is like our first 
like real TV celebrity guest. 

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Wow. 
I was. 

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Just biggest I was just going to
say what a wonderful name John 

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has. 
Last name he has for this season

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of the year. 
It's. 

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True. 
It always, it always is. 

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And it's the the idea of and he 
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Santa if you're lucky, you know,
if he puts on the hat beard, 

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puts that beard on, puts the if 
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could really play it up, you 
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But Chip, thank you so much. 
I have so many questions for 

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you. 
You've seen so many sides of 

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this space and you've been 
around, man. 

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So it's like, you know, we're I 
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No, you're not old. 
I mean experienced experienced. 

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That that ends bad and old so. 
Listen, we all, we had a guest 

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on this week, man, talking about
I, I felt super old. 

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It was like, man, I don't know 
how these, it felt like we, we 

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interviewed this young woman 
who's an influencer, John and I,

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and it's, it really felt like 
beauty and the beasts with the 

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two of us talking to her. 
I'm like, we have no business 

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talking to this person. 
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for you is simple. 
It's it's, you know, when did 

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you first realize that what you 
were experiencing wasn't just a,

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a child's imagination? 
Because this came on to you very

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young. 
It did actually. 

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I got to separate that into two 
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psychic and the other one is 
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So I had a very interesting 
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I got to go all the way back 71 
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my mom was having a near death 
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She had to have an emergency 
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C-section she died on the table 
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she saw angels asked not to be 
taken away and they put her soul

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back in her body. 
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her body, I was born and there 
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Oh. 
So I made a grand entrance and I

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think I've been making them ever
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But I've made a grand entrance 
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Grew up living in haunted 
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I've always lived in places that
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When I was a toddler, my parents
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the floor playing with my toys, 
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and look at the phone, and 
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ring. 
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became verbal, that I would stop
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look at the phone and say a name
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And within seconds, the phone 
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And on the other end of the line
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So I was kind of like an early 
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very open to spiritual or 
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both sides of the family, my 
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family in the past. 
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freaked out by that. 
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having, I don't even know what 
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It's mostly, I think, senses or 
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and things that I would come 
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We lived in a haunted house, a 
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Let me ask you this, Chip, 
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talked about your mom here for a
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asked God, God or the angels to 
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You clearly grew up in a very 
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Was it Christian, Catholic? 
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What? 
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the same things. 
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Catholics are a little bit 
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Well, I need to. 
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Catholic. 
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consider ourselves atheists 
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So but and it's a little bit 
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Christians who are a little bit 
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So I just wanted to sort of, 
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where do? 
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Christian and Catholic are the 
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it to you that way because a lot
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pray to Saints and things like 
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true Christian. 
That's bullshit. 

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Catholics are Christian because 
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Christ driven religion, so to 
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So I just so there's so there's 
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thinking there's a difference in
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We weren't overly religious. 
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but every now and then. 
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Catholic. 
I still love the Catholic faith.

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I don't like the Catholic 
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That's what I don't like. 
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with my spirituality. 
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parents, there was no because a 
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gifts are as you know, against 
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in a way, but there was none of 
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So you were lucky enough to not 
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Parents said. 
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a part of it, not at all. 
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that way, my eye itches. 
I'm sorry. 

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That's all right. 
That's a good slide. 

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I like. 
You I like. 

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You already chip. 
You know, if, if they've got a 

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problem, if they've got a 
problem with my beliefs. 

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I don't try to to convince or 
convert anyone to my ways of 

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thinking. 
Believe what you want to believe

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as long as you're a decent 
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But don't come for me, you know,
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have, if you're going to have a 
pissing contest with me, come 

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with a full bladder. 
I I love, I love a good Southern

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analogy, you know, and a 
metaphor. 

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I mean, really, guys have the 
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What? 
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background before you became a 
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Yeah, medium and psychic. 
You were a child, like a child 

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actor model. 
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How did all of those worlds 
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mediumship today? 
Or, or did they not, you know? 

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They did. 
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connected. 
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of of stage and film and 
television made me really 

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comfortable to be in front of a 
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a set. 
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lot of different people. 
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program as a social worker and I
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hospital on an adolescent unit. 
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handy when I did the show 
Psychic Kids. 

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I studied, I have a degree in 
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in psychology, particularly with
child and adolescent psychology,

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and I dealt with a lot of family
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industry, so I can pack a bag 
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So all those things sort of came
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and mediumship abilities to 
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since 2001, which is when I 
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professionally. 
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psychic gigs is psychic kids? 
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your life and I read your book 
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a psychic kid. 
Did did you come? 

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Was that show your first 
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many different kids to sort of 
almost get a a database of this 

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phenomenon? 
And what did that teach you that

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you didn't already know? 
I always knew that everybody had

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some level of psychic ability, 
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Well, let me back up for a 
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This show actually came about 
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State, another show that I did. 
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was a medium on that show and I 
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they're always looking for new 
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So they saw this, they saw this 
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potential. 
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based around that one episode of
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It was we dealt with kids who 
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crisis mode because of their 
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So that was our goal, to kind of
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mode and give them basic tools 
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in order to bring some level of 
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their lives. 
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responsibility of these adults 
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shows psychic or intuitive 
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What did you learn there and 
what did you how did you help 

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them get through that? 
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anything abnormal. 
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on here. 
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understanding of your children 
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into a into a party trick. 
Don't you know, oh, tell grandma

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something about grandma, you 
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Don't make your kid jump through
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You're not. 
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each case had some similarities,
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individual things that were 
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we just, we sort of tailored 
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individuals that we were working
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So Chip it Chip, it sounds like 
your upbringing and you know, in

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your household really paved the 
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with these children from from 
what I'm gathering so far, like,

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you know, your your household 
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you an understanding of how to 
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children. 
My parents didn't make a big 

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deal out of it. 
You know, it was just, it was, 

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it was just who I was a part of 
who I was. 

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And this is what you and this is
what you tried to help with the 

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the children you were dealing 
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Absolutely. 
Wow, that's amazing. 

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That's amazing. 
I never unlike them, I never 

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went through any big trials or 
tribulations because of my 

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abilities. 
They weren't causing me any 

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angst. 
I had great understanding 

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parents. 
And we didn't have the Internet 

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back then. 
Back in the olden days, we wrote

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on stone tablets. 
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you know, it was, it was a 
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So, you know, the whole world 
didn't know your business. 

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So a few people, select few 
people knew that I had these 

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abilities, but it wasn't a 
widely known thing and you know,

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it wasn't, it wasn't always a 
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How did you make that jump? 
When, how, how long were you 

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working professionally before 
you became like a famous psychic

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mean to get on television? 
How did that where did that leap

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occur? 
I was working, let's let's back 

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up another few years to 2001. 
I was working in the travel 

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industry as a travel agent. 
I've been doing that for 15 

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years. 
So 911 came around and nobody 

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I mean, nobody was calling to 
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revenue and travel agencies were
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go by that, by the dozens. 
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So I've been for a few months. 
I've been working on an 800 

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line, a psychic hotline part 
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my job, I packed my stuff up, 
walked out of the building and I

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remember saying out loud, well, 
I guess now you're a full time 

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psychic and medium. 
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going to be able to to satisfy 
some of my habits like living 

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indoors and eating by being a 
psychic. 

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I'm but you know, that's 24 
going on 25 years ago and I 

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think it's worked out pretty 
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But what led to this? 
I started doing kept doing 

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readings online. 
I started doing some events both

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locally. 
Then they went, it went to 

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regionally, then it went to 
national events and some folks 

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took notice of me. 
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someone as a fill in or new kind
of a new person psychic on a 

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show called Paranormal State. 
It was going by the name the the

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working title of paranormal you 
at the time like university, 

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because it was college kids that
were doing that, the 

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investigation. 
And so they brought me in on a 

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case. 
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leaving, I gave them the name of
the demonic entity that was 

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supposedly causing havoc, 
wreaking havoc for everybody. 

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And I remember one of the 
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ever spoke to about this, had 
his arm around me as I was 

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leaving Elizabethtown, PA in the
snow. 

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And he said, you chip coffee 
have just elevated the show to 

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an entirely new level. 
And I thought, well, this is a 

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one off. 
I thought, well, I ended up 

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doing 32 or 33 episodes of the 
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kids. 
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of a hiatus for me. 
And I then I went on and started

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doing, began doing kindred 
spirits. 

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So that gave you a lot of 
exposure to this paranormal 

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world, those shows, right, all 
over the country and and 

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everywhere else, right? 
Did it, did you learn anything 

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new? 
Like what what surprised you the

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most? 
Did you ever have a moment 

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though, like you know where just
in your craft and your beliefs 

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from seeing and building this, 
you know, this library of of 

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cases? 
Did anything change or evolve in

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your belief system? 
Let's go back to the Catholic 

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thing. 
If you think about your Catholic

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roots, you heard a lot about 
angels. 

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You know, there were angels here
and angels there and angels, 

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angels everywhere and, and, but 
you but you realize there were 

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angels and demons. 
You heard about those, but not 

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nearly as frequently as you 
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I learned that the that those 
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beliefs, are real and that 
there's the world is kind of the

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universe is kind of based on the
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The flip side. 
So if there's day and night, 

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there's good and evil, there's 
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So if there's pure good, there's
got to be pure evil. 

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So that was my way of thinking. 
And I've, I've stared those sort

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of things in the face, so to 
speak. 

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So I think from that standpoint,
I've learned that we don't know 

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what we don't know. 
We have good theories about it 

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and we can put a hypothesis out 
there about what's going on. 

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But anyone that tells you that 
they know anything about the 

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spiritual, honestly know 
anything about the spiritual or 

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the paranormal of the 
supernatural worlds. 

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Well, yeah, we're we're we're. 
Saying all the time on my lives,

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Chip all the time. 
If someone comes in claiming to 

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be an expert about something, 
that's the big red flag right 

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there. 
I don't claim I'm an expert, I 

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claim I've had a lot of 
experience. 

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Yep. 
Yep, Yep. 

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Yeah. 
For sure, I've seen a lot of 

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stuff. 
So it's, you know, look, one of 

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the things about this whole 
podcast is getting different 

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perspectives, listening to 
different people with, with a 

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variety of experiences and 
painting a picture of what we 

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think spirits are. 
Now, I know you specifically 

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have a definition for a spirit, 
even versus a ghost. 

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Would you explain to us in the 
audience? 

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Like what? 
How do you define a ghost versus

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spirit to start? 
I believe that when we die, our 

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body dies, that the soul, the 
essence of who we are, leaves 

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the body. 
And then it has somewhat of a 

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choice of whether to stay on 
this third dimension earth plane

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or to continue on crossover, Go 
to the light, finish that 

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journey however you want to 
refer to it, go to heaven any 

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way you want to refer to it. 
I believe that those souls that 

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remain on the earth plane are 
what we tend to call ghosts. 

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And what when we when that soul 
finishes its journey and goes on

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into spirit, that's what we call
a spirit. 

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So we use those terms 
interchangeably, but when push 

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comes to shove, there is, in my 
opinion, a basic difference. 

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OK, that John has a working 
theory that, you know, spirits 

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are the sort of the fractured 
memories, you know, 'cause it's,

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it's hard, you know, no one has 
really defined consciousness or 

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knows what consciousness is. 
You mean whether you refer to it

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as a soul or not. 
And that, that those memories 

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are what's left behind or 
dispersed when we pass that 

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energy. 
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specific energy, not woo woo 
energy, you know, like the 

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electric synapses in our brains 
have to go somewhere when we die

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that maybe our consciousness is 
attached to that and that those 

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memories are what he is picking 
up and what he's talking to. 

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Have you ever, you know, in your
experience with anything is 

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there do you find that you have 
ever come across things that 

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match that philosophy or you 
know, have touched upon that, 

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you know, as a potential working
theory that you could see like 

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maybe. 
I don't know that I fully 

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understand everything you just 
said 100%. 

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You know, John can have his 
theory. 

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Good for you. 
How nice for you that you have 

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that theory. 
You're welcome to it, but you 

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know it it. 
That doesn't mean I can't have 

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mine or you can't have anybody 
else has. 

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But he's kind of saying what I'm
saying. 

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The essence of who you are go 
somewhere however you wanted to 

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find that elect electromagnetic,
whatever whatever whatever you 

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know but that's that's what I 
call a soul is just that spark 

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of who of of of existence that 
you have somewhere inside of you

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that cannot be destroyed and it 
can be reinvigorated in my 

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opinion and come back from 
multiple tries at this you know 

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Bronco busting world we. 
I've talked to, I've talked, 

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hold on, just I want to stay on 
this real quick. 

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I've talked to parapsychologists
who define these things in this 

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way, Chip, where it's, you know,
you know, an entity or an 

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apparition is what you would 
call a ghost based on your 

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definition of a ghost. 
Like this is a a fully you know 

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this is an individual or you 
know their that consciousness is

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there. 
They would define a haunting as 

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an imprint where it's almost 
like a recorded loop, right? 

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It's it doesn't even have to be 
from a someone. 

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Who's passed? 
It's just something that's 

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called. 
That's called a residual 

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haunting. 
Yeah. 

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OK. 
So you know what have you come 

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across any, have you come across
things like that that verify 

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that that definition of these 
things? 

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Residual hauntings are like an 
imprint or an echo intelligent 

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and I don't like to use that 
word. 

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I like to use interactive 
haunting is when you get legit 

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responses or seem to be 
communicating with something. 

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You cannot communicate with an 
with a, with a haunting that is 

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just an imprint or an echo. 
So that's, that's my theory if 

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and there are people that 
believe that only ghosts, people

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who haven't finished that 
transition can communicate with 

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the living. 
And that's not true in my belief

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system. 
You can, if you go into spirit 

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periodically, you can return 
bridge that gap between wherever

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you are at, you know, in the 
spirit realm and come back and 

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communicate or interact with 
people that are still in the 

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third dimension or the living 
world. 

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That's my belief. 
That's how. 

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That's how I earned the. 
The the the. 

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Majority of my living is by 
connecting, reconnecting living 

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people with their loved ones who
have passed away. 

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But you you have come across 
things that are echoes and 

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you're like, this is just an 
echo. 

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There's validity. 
So there. 

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So there is that's there's 
validity to those statements in 

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in that thing. 
John, go ahead. 

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What were you going to ask? 
Sorry, I just. 

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Want to wrap, you know, in all 
your experience, What what was 

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the oh wow moment like something
that really like is like, like 

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you. 
I believe that there's so much 

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to understand about this. 
No matter how much data we get, 

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it'll never ever give us a clear
picture on anything. 

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And every time we think we're 
getting close to something, at 

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least in, in, in, in my, you 
know, adventures and my 

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documentation, every time I 
think I get close to something, 

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more data comes in that just 
completely blows that apart, 

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right? 
What was, what was your last 

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like big? 
Oh, wow, Like this is amazing. 

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This is like so intriguing. 
And so, you know, I don't 

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understand it, but but I love it
and I'm, you know, so happy to 

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experience it. 
My life has been has been filled

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with those moments so. 
I'd, I'd, well, I'd like to hear

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about one of them that stands 
out like right off the top of 

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your head. 
Give me, give me a category. 

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You want me to tell you what 
about? 

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Your most recent? 
My most recent I think short 

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term memory is not good for me, 
but I'll try to remember more. 

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Yes, me too. 
I'm horrible and short term. 

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Nothing really springs to mind. 
That is like really recent. 

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There's been so many in my life,
you know? 

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OK. 
So then let me rephrase the 

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question. 
Which one left the most impact 

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on you? 
What was it impactful one where 

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it's like? 
Like I said, I grew up in a 

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haunted house where nothing bad 
happened, that there was really 

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constant activity. 
Doors opening and closing, 

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footsteps, voices, pianos being 
played, cold spots in the house.

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So here's what where is the 
first time you experience 

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something that was dark. 
If you hadn't, If you never had 

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anything growing up, that was 
that was an evil or dark and it 

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was easy, you know, was you 
know, you could live there. 

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What was the first time you came
across something dark and you're

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like the? 
First episode I did a paranormal

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state when the head honcho of 
the demonic realm came and was 

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affecting both the host of the 
show and the family that we were

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investigating. 
That was your first time on the 

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TV show that you really came 
that. 

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Was in my I was in my 40s. 
I was like 47 years old when 

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that happened. 
I think they kind of left me 

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alone because I had a really 
strong faith and and belief in 

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something that was more powerful
and protective than me. 

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And I think they kind of left me
alone and they don't F with me 

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much even now. 
They just don't because they 

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know that I've got a great team 
that's surrounding me in spirit 

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and that I know people who, if I
get in real trouble, are going 

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to come to my aid. 
Well, I could tell right away 

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you got. 
I'm not going down without a 

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fight. 
Yeah, I mean, that's certainly 

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you give that impression. 
There's nothing weak about you 

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in terms of how you deal with 
this and your your perception on

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it. 
So I can't, you know, your 

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intent is for sure strong, you 
know. 

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So, all right, so the first time
he did that was on television. 

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Is there being a, a, a 
television celebrity, is there a

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difference or what's the biggest
difference really in in an 

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investigation for TV versus 
doing a private reading? 

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What did you find? 
How did you find that adjustment

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to have to deal with a schedule 
and a, you know, a crew around 

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you and all of that stuff? 
How was that I? 

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Wasn't really restricted a lot. 
So most of what I did was so 

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genuine and so authentic. 
I mean, yeah, you had to be 

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aware of where the cameras were.
You had to to sort of, you know,

454
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,640
adjust to being on set. 
But other than that, from 

455
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,040
investigations that I'd done 
prior to, to actually going on 

456
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,200
TV and going into a space to 
investigate it, there wasn't a 

457
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,640
whole lot of difference for me. 
Not at all. 

458
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280
I mean, it was pretty much the 
same. 

459
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Was there anything missing for 
the viewer that you wish they 

460
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,600
saw that they didn't get to see 
behind the scenes? 

461
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,600
Every now and then I think there
were some things that that that 

462
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,280
because of time constraints had 
to be edited out. 

463
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
But you know, with, with the TV 
shows that I've done, I think 

464
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,120
they've, they've remained pretty
loyal to what was going on so 

465
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,880
that it was made fairly 
consistent and easy for those 

466
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,840
who were viewing on their 
television screens to 

467
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:35,480
understand. 
Was there was there ever a 

468
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,520
location other than that first 
episode that you immediately 

469
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,720
thought, I, I don't want to be 
here this? 

470
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,320
Long the second episode that I 
did to the show, which was the 

471
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,680
very next freaking week. 
I can't. 

472
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,160
Believe you did, dude. 
Episodes one and two of this 

473
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720
thing and you kept going back. 
Don't sound very fun, Chip. 

474
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,920
I don't understand why. 
Explain it was the check. 

475
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,160
The check must have been good 
it. 

476
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Was the same check, let's click.
You know that that as somebody 

477
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,800
who's always is, you know, been 
surrounded by positive right and

478
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,480
then and then doing this show 
and then you have your first, 

479
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,920
you know, negative experience 
with a negative entity, we'll 

480
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,920
call it that right, demonic 
entity negative and then the 

481
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,760
same thing the following week. 
Here you are new episode, 

482
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,720
another one mentally. 
How did you prepare yourself for

483
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,120
that? 
Was it just something that 

484
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,400
happened natural? 
You're like, I got this, I got 

485
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960
my team. 
Or did you have to like take a 

486
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,800
take a little time and be like, 
you know what? 

487
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840
I'm mentally prepare and I'm 
ready for this. 

488
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,360
I did that. 
You're absolutely right. 

489
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,040
And some of it was because of 
who I am. 

490
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,120
And that's I, I believe in the 
power of prayer. 

491
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,680
I prayed. 
I mean, the second episode there

492
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080
was a woman who is being and you
might have to edit this out. 

493
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,760
I don't know what I can say and 
what I can't. 

494
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,960
Speak freely, Speak freely. 
Yeah, there was a woman there. 

495
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,280
The the episode was called Get 
this The Devil in Syracuse. 

496
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Well, I, I, I lived in Syracuse 
for a while. 

497
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,440
I could see a lot of devils 
there. 

498
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,160
OK, go ahead. 
Well. 

499
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,960
I lived in Elmira. 
I, you know, for us, I can just 

500
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,080
tell you that this was a woman. 
They lived in a double wide 

501
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,240
trailer or a single wide trailer
in a trailer park just outside 

502
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,680
of Syracuse. 
And the woman was being 

503
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,240
assaulted, sexually assaulted by
a demon. 

504
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,840
I mean, this woman was taken to 
a hospital because she said that

505
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,560
something was assaulting her. 
And it was the way she described

506
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,640
it was she felt like there was 
somebody with a barbed wire 

507
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,400
dildo and inserting itself into 
her. 

508
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
And when they took her to the 
hospital and it burned and it 

509
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,720
was painful, and they took her 
to the hospital and examined 

510
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,440
her. 
And she had second and third 

511
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,560
degree burns in her vaginal wall
and outside on her skin. 

512
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,760
And they asked her get a whole 
psych eval. 

513
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,160
They ask her, are you inserting 
something hot like a curling 

514
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,840
iron into your vaginal cavity? 
And she goes, are you insane? 

515
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,160
I'm am depressed and angry and 
frightened, but I'm not crazy. 

516
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,560
And yeah, I mean, explain that. 
Explain this. 

517
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,680
I walked into the walked up to 
the house for the first time 

518
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,440
with Ryan Buell, who was the 
host of the show, and with 

519
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Father Andrew Calder. 
God rest his soul because he's 

520
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,840
past now. 
And we walked up to the door of 

521
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,760
this trailer for my first time. 
We were butt deep in snow in 

522
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Syracuse. 
And I walked up and I put my 

523
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,760
hand on the storm door and I 
went like that. 

524
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080
And I said no, was hot. 
I'm not going. 

525
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,920
I'm not going to go in there 
until I am way deeper in prayer 

526
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
than I am now. 
So they had a Winnebago over 

527
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
there for us as a dry, as a dry 
and a warm space. 

528
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880
So Andrew Calder and I went to 
the back where the bedroom is in

529
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,760
the Winnebago, and we prayed up 
a storm. 

530
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,720
And then when Ryan and I went 
back into the house, the first 

531
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,680
thing that I heard was something
from the demon in the house. 

532
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,120
And when I hear them in my head,
they sound like this. 

533
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840
They've got a real raspy, nasty,
sweet of voice like this. 

534
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,280
And the first thing, the demon, 
I didn't know anything about the

535
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,440
people in the house. 
Nothing. 

536
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120
They bring me in stone cold. 
And the first thing that this 

537
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,520
demon said me when I walked in 
the house was Artie F, the 

538
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,280
mother. 
Now I'm going to the little 

539
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,080
girl. 
Dude, that's this is a 

540
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640
terrifying. 
This is terrifying. 

541
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640
Yes, this is terrifying. 
This is like. 

542
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,560
I don't know why anybody does 
this and. 

543
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Fran said, Fran said to me, what
did you just hear, Chip? 

544
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,080
And I said I I don't think I can
say this and he said just tell 

545
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,440
me. 
And I told him what it said, 

546
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Artie F the mother and I'm going
to F the little girl. 

547
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,080
And I heard over his earbud, I 
heard stop, stop. 

548
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
And the producers kept came 
running into the house and they 

549
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400
said we're not going to get that
past standards and practices. 

550
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,800
We're not going to get that past
little. 

551
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
They said, but can you? 
That's great information. 

552
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Can you say that in another way?
And on the show, I believe you 

553
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
hear me say it wants the little 
girl. 

554
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,240
And what happened was there was 
a little girl, a three-year old 

555
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360
little girl named Katie, who was
living in the house. 

556
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,480
She had a brother. 
And at one point in time, while 

557
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,240
we were in production of this 
episode, before we moved them 

558
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,560
out of the house quickly, they 
woke up 1 morning and she had a 

559
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,680
rash all over her bottom. 
What, what, what they don't tell

560
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,200
you. 
And remember, Father Andrew 

561
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,960
called her, bless his soul. 
He had a, A, a a saying that he 

562
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,280
once said to me about clients on
paranormal investigations and it

563
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:50,480
was the Tal theory and that is 
clients, they always lie and 

564
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,800
here's by either by error, by 
omission or just outright lying 

565
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,400
so they won't look back. 
The man who lived in the house 

566
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:07,880
was a £300 man whose nickname on
AOL is The AOL handle was Tiny. 

567
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,480
They called him Tiny. 
No, that was his nickname. 

568
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240
His nickname was Tiny. 
His real name was Raymond, but 

569
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,920
Tiny was his nickname. 
His AOL handle was Tiny 666. 

570
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,840
What he hadn't told anybody was,
especially the producers or us 

571
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,600
that were there, was that as a 
younger version of himself, he 

572
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,800
dabbled in Satanism and they had
to bring somebody in and 

573
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,040
basically do a deliverance on 
him. 

574
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,640
We walked into this house. 
The mother, when we were getting

575
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
the people out of the house, the
mother said, oh, I've got to go 

576
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,560
back in and get the baby's 
blanket. 

577
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
She ran into the house. 
We'd all been out of the house 

578
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200
for like 90 seconds when she 
realized she had to go back in 

579
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,800
and get the baby blanket. 
They had crosses, little Wooden 

580
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Crosses they had made out of 
pieces of wood that were 

581
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,960
everywhere in this place, 
everywhere. 

582
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,120
She went back in and you heard 
the most blood curdling scream 

583
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,600
that you've ever heard in your 
life. 

584
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,880
And there were probably sixty of
those crosses, every single one 

585
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,720
of the crosses in the house. 
And that 90 seconds had turned 

586
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,440
upside down. 
They had inverted. 

587
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,840
So if you ask me if I've seen 
some weird shit in my past, the 

588
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
answer would be a reason. 
Yes, I've seen some weird crap 

589
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,840
that I just can't pragmatically 
explain. 

590
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,680
So Chip, how do you look? 
You're you're an empathetic guy.

591
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
You worked in counseling, you 
know, right, all these things. 

592
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,120
How do you move on from that? 
Do you do you keep tabs on these

593
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,720
this person or is it like you're
on to the next show? 

594
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,800
You got a schedule to do? 
How, how did you like, you know,

595
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,800
that aspect of the TV business 
and trying to help these people 

596
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,880
And you know, six days, it's 
just like, look, you know, I, I 

597
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,280
come out of production, right? 
So all the home renovation shows

598
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880
that you watch, like, by the 
way, when the, when the 

599
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,360
production crew leaves, that 
house is not finished. 

600
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,080
You know what I mean? 
It's not fully made over and 

601
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,120
it's, it's, it's held up by let,
you know, tape some of it 

602
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,320
sometimes. 
So what? 

603
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,760
But in this case, these people 
are in real jeopardy. 

604
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,199
How do you how did you deal with
that or? 

605
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Did you stay? 
In touch though. 

606
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,760
They were they were left with 
resources that they could could 

607
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,840
utilize after the the filming 
stopped. 

608
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Did you ever follow up with any 
anyone? 

609
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Like did you ever have a 
personal connection with any one

610
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,320
of them that you would follow up
with or? 

611
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,480
But think about this too, Gary. 
If if you go see a psychiatrist 

612
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,320
then and your sessions are over 
with, you're not going back 

613
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,600
anymore, That psychiatrist is 
not going to continue to follow 

614
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,719
you for the rest of your life or
do anything for you. 

615
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,120
They knew what they were getting
themselves if they knew what 

616
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,320
they were getting themselves 
into. 

617
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,159
We were there for a select 
period of time. 

618
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,640
We didn't leave them untethered.
We actually provided them with 

619
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,600
local resources and sometimes 
not local resources that they 

620
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,720
could tap into in order to 
continue on with whatever they 

621
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,240
may need. 
When we left, we tried to tidy 

622
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,040
things up as best we could 
before we blew out of there, but

623
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,680
you know, that's not always 
completely successful when 

624
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,440
you're dealing with something 
that, number one, you're not 

625
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,720
fully understanding. 
That's all fair. 

626
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,800
I get it. 
It's, it's, it's curious. 

627
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,240
It's interesting to know, right?
Because a lot of people look at 

628
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480
there's so many different 
aspects right of this world and 

629
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
when you and TV is under 
constraints, which are just, 

630
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,320
it's just the nature of it. 
So it's so the instinct is to 

631
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,920
say how fake it is because they 
don't realize what's required 

632
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,000
for ratings with network notes 
for all of the things that go 

633
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,280
into making it as opposed to 
what happens on site. 

634
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,200
So, you know, explaining it to a
lot of people helps them 

635
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,920
understand like, look, man, it's
can things be sensationalized? 

636
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Yes. 
Does that mean it's fake? 

637
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,840
No, it, it, these are 
differences. 

638
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,560
This is the nature of the 
medium. 

639
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Having been through that medium,
how do you see what's happening 

640
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,800
with paranormal today? 
Because the medium shift is 

641
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,440
changing and it's becoming less 
attention span driven. 

642
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,920
And you know, with social media,
do you know that you've how do 

643
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,480
you find it playing out? 
Do you track anything online? 

644
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,800
Do you where, where's, where's 
your sense with this? 

645
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,360
I don't. 
I don't. 

646
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Particularly track anything. 
The only thing I know is that 

647
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,320
there's no network really that's
actively investing money in 

648
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,280
paranormal right now. 
You know, the paranormal shows 

649
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
pretty much have have hit rock 
bottom. 

650
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,400
There's a couple that are left, 
but not a lot of money is being 

651
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,200
spent by any network that I'm 
aware of on paranormal 

652
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,840
especially. 
They're not spend a lot of money

653
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,680
on anybody chip right now. 
It's a tough spot. 

654
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,760
If you look at network shows 
like my 2, two of my favorite 

655
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,600
shows are Chicago PD and Chicago
Fire, and they're furloughing 

656
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,880
actors because NBC has cut Dick 
Wolf's budget back so far. 

657
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,800
And I can't imagine this is not 
pissing off actors very badly 

658
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,160
that they're not getting a 
paycheck. 

659
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,720
But it's the same thing with 
paranormal television. 

660
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,040
There's, there's the money is 
drying up a bit and you know, 

661
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,880
it's, it's just not there and #1
it didn't pay that well. 

662
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,040
I You'd be shocked if you heard 
the the the largest amount of 

663
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,360
money I ever made for one 
episode of a show. 

664
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,440
Oh look, hey man, I worked at 
Discovery for 10 years. 

665
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,600
I know what I know what the 
pays. 

666
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
I used to tell people when I 
would try to find people like 

667
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,200
you and hire them would be your 
money is not going to be in the 

668
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,240
show unless it's a giant hit. 
The money's going to be you're 

669
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,040
about to charge. 
If you charge people 100 bucks 

670
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520
an hour for a reading you might 
be able to charge it for 1000. 

671
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Just depends. 
Especially with like tattoo art 

672
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,840
like it was. 
It was. 

673
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,160
It was promoting my book. 
It was promoting me as my 

674
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,560
private readings. 
I used it as basically a 

675
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,640
commercial. 
You just gave me a commercial. 

676
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,160
And so do you look at do you 
feel television helped your, 

677
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,640
your profession? 
Not, not personally, I just mean

678
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,040
the paranormal in general. 
This TV, do TV shows give it a 

679
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,480
bad rap, a good rap? 
Where, where do you find that 

680
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,280
balance? 
And like I said, now that it's 

681
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,000
it's winding down, how do you 
think that's going to affect 

682
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
people when all they could see a
paranormal is what's online and 

683
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,800
in social media? 
I think it helped and it hurt. 

684
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,160
I think that people love being 
armchair critics, you know? 

685
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,920
And if you weren't on set to see
actually what happened, then 

686
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,200
shut the fuck up. 
Right. 

687
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,760
There's the reality because you 
don't really know what went on 

688
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,000
unless you were there to witness
it. 

689
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,480
So you can have your assumptions
and your theories and your 

690
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,120
whatever and everybody's got an 
opinion. 

691
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,000
They're like a butthole. 
You know, everybody's got one, 

692
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,560
but you don't necessarily want 
to hear from it. 

693
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Fart, fart. 
But you know, I don't want to. 

694
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,960
I'm tired of people that that 
have to go online and make a big

695
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,160
to do about something that's in 
the long run. 

696
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,400
What what, what are you trying 
to prove? 

697
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,040
You know, paranormal TV was what
it is. 

698
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,600
You had to, you have to figure 
that there's got to be an 

699
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,440
entertainment element to it or 
people aren't going to watch it,

700
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,960
whatever you consider 
entertainment. 

701
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,360
But we did the best job that we 
could. 

702
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,680
And I can honestly say that to 
the best of my knowledge, there 

703
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,720
was never anything faked or 
fabricated on any of the 

704
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,600
episodes that I did. 
And I got asked to stretch the 

705
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,560
truth a couple of times and I 
flat out said absolutely not, I 

706
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,160
will not, I will not. 
And it was something as simple 

707
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,880
as saying that this information 
was learned at one source when 

708
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,640
it was not learned at that 
source. 

709
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,360
It was learned in a totally 
different place. 

710
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Like we got this from 
ancestry.com. 

711
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,760
Wendy, you didn't, you got it. 
We got, no, we got this from 

712
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,200
public records in the town. 
They got it from ancestry.com. 

713
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,120
And I'm not going to say they 
got it on public records when 

714
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,920
somebody went and searched 
public records. 

715
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,720
So I just wouldn't even go, 
wouldn't even stretch the truth 

716
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,560
that far. 
I love your perspective. 

717
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Like you, you're such a wealth 
of knowledge on This is why I'm 

718
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,440
asking it. 
It is and and you have such firm

719
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,600
beliefs. 
Do you think there is a What is 

720
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,560
healthy skepticism to paranormal
look like to you? 

721
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,560
That's a good question. 
It's not bashing people that do 

722
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,240
what I do. 
It's not saying that it's all 

723
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,400
BS. 
It's base and it's not being 

724
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,960
nasty or confronting it and 
just, you know, inciting people 

725
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,920
to to to treat other people in a
in a horrific fashion. 

726
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,520
It's not attending an event and 
trying to, to out somebody for 

727
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,360
being a fake. 
I don't think that's that's what

728
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,800
it is. 
This is not a skeptic. 

729
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,400
This is somebody that's like, 
you know, you don't want to be 

730
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,960
like Westside Baptist Church. 
You don't want to go out and do 

731
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,240
those sort of things. 
That's just not cool. 

732
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,120
You can be a skeptic, that's 
fine and dandy, but just don't 

733
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,400
be an ass about it, You know? 
I. 

734
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Don't I? 
I find that I find the the 

735
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,200
people who are the meanest, if 
for lack of a better word, are 

736
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,640
people in the field. 
And I haven't been doing this 

737
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,680
that long. 
You know, I've only been like, 

738
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,840
you know, I've been following 
John around for about a year and

739
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,640
and we started this, we dropped 
this thing almost this podcast a

740
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,720
year ago, But it's it's people 
within the paranormal who fight 

741
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,680
against other people with it's 
paranormal on paranormal crime. 

742
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,320
Chip is what I see the most of 
you know, as opposed to. 

743
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,080
That's the reason that I set my 
happy self right in the suburbs 

744
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,920
of Atlanta, GA and mind my own 
business for the most part. 

745
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,960
You know, there's the big 
brouhaha that's going on now 

746
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,680
about who bought the Warren's 
house and who's buying The 

747
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,280
Conjuring house and blah, blah, 
blah. 

748
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,240
You know? 
You know how I what I think 

749
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,040
about that? 
I don't give a shit who bought 

750
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,240
it, you know? 
Good luck. 

751
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,160
Goodbye. 
Yeah. 

752
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Don't keep me alone. 
Right. 

753
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,800
But she But it's that right? 
Like, who else would care? 

754
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,000
It's just it's a very straight 
the the Paris science, for lack 

755
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,560
of a better, is a very strange 
field we've all decided to play 

756
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,640
in where everyone seems to think
they know the right way to do 

757
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,040
the science and we're the only 
they're the only ones fighting 

758
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,480
with each other without a a 
clean way of figuring out what 

759
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360
the answer is. 
That's what my I've been 

760
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
discovering. 
Let me go back for a second and 

761
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,320
and clean something up that I 
said that I don't care who buys 

762
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,760
those houses. 
I just hope they go into the 

763
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,800
right hands and good hands. 
That's what I and I don't think 

764
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,440
that they should be made and I 
don't think the whole goal 

765
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,600
should be to make those houses 
into tourist attractions. 

766
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,040
I don't think that that's that's
what anybody necessarily wants 

767
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,400
except the people that are going
to buy them to make buck, make 

768
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,760
bank on them, you know, so. 
I wish I could buy it and turn 

769
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:09,160
it into a preschool. 
I don't know, it's just, it's 

770
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,600
just it's too much is kind of 
what you got at and I am real 

771
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,000
passionate about it. 
Why? 

772
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,520
Should be. 
Why do people really, why is 

773
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,400
there so much animosity toward 
what's going on with the 

774
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,240
purchase of these properties? 
You know, do I? 

775
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,960
It's just, it's too much. 
And that's the reason that I can

776
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,960
say you're. 
Paranoid. 

777
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,840
Not, not I love Andrea. 
I love Andrea. 

778
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,000
But you know what? 
I don't understand. 

779
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,680
And I I told Andrea this is I 
don't understand how she can 

780
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,240
have such loving feelings about 
this place when as a younger 

781
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,560
version of herself and her 
family, they went through a 

782
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,400
terrifying things at this place.
That's what that Gary asked her 

783
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,720
the same thing, ship that very 
question that that you just 

784
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,120
stated. 
Gary asked her that. 

785
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,040
I asked her that she her her 
response, Correct me if I'm 

786
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,520
wrong, John. 
Her response was that, you know,

787
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,000
like the stories of the bad 
times did not outweigh the good 

788
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,160
with their family in that home. 
Yes, you know, it's like that 

789
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,160
was your. 
Mother being possessed and 

790
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,320
people thrown across the house 
and things that are going on 

791
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,600
like that. 
You know that you had a nice 

792
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Thanksgiving dinner that 
outweighed the fact that Dean. 

793
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,320
I, you know, I just. 
Don't. 

794
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,760
Get. 
I don't get it. 

795
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Dude, I'm with you. 
I told her I'd burn it to the 

796
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,480
ground. 
I don't get what you know. 

797
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,880
I'd I'd said I'd I'd raise. 
That place, I'd been there, I've

798
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,240
been there. 
So, you know, I listen. 

799
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,360
Good luck with ever had to do 
that. 

800
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,200
Did you feel something in there 
when you went in there? 

801
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,680
Did you feel it? 
I don't want to talk about that.

802
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,480
All right, all right. 
Listen, my, my, my personal 

803
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,840
feeling with the with the whole 
farm house. 

804
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Not. 
John, hold on. 

805
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Say that again, Chip. 
I'll answer this question for 

806
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,480
you. 
Not a whole lot. 

807
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Not a whole lot. 
OK my my whole thing I. 

808
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,800
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but 
I will tell you this. 

809
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,600
I was there and I'd just seen 
Andrea and her family, her dad 

810
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,200
and two sisters at an event. 
And I was there doing the 

811
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,640
investigation with Amy and Adam 
on Kindred Spirits. 

812
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
And all of a sudden a car rolls 
down the driveway and they get 

813
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,120
out. 
And I went, what though? 

814
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,240
What? 
I had no idea they were going to

815
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:22,760
be there. 
And they said, surprise Chip. 

816
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,280
But I can tell you this, the 
atmosphere and the timber in 

817
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,200
that house completely changed 
when they walked on the 

818
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,400
property. 
Oh shit. 

819
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Oh, that's. 
Wild 100% the vibe changed. 

820
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,840
Wow and I can tell you this, 
sometimes it's the people that 

821
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,840
are haunted and not the spot. 
Well, that's doesn't that go 

822
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,880
into like the what they refer to
as like what a poltergeist is 

823
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,120
that it comes off the person 
right, you know? 

824
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,040
I believe that it is the 
combined energies of the living 

825
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,720
and the dead that create the 
activity. 

826
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,680
OK, I. 
Mean, I live in a haunted house 

827
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,920
and then in Elmira and nobody 
that's lived there since then 

828
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,560
has experienced anything in the 
house. 

829
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,360
But my family and I who were 
true believers and my mom who 

830
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,280
was a who had psychic abilities 
and me who had psychic 

831
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,080
abilities, things happened on 
the daily. 

832
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,960
How do you explain that? 
Well, I could tell you. 

833
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,320
I could tell you this ship I've 
been I've been documenting for 

834
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,840
for years now. 
And if I am not in the right 

835
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,840
mental like headspace, if I'm 
upset about something, if I'm 

836
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,960
angry about something, if I'm 
distracted, the documentation 

837
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,080
reflects it. 
The human element is way more 

838
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,280
important than people give give 
humanity credit for it. 

839
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,240
And look at it this way and 
doing it that work, I can tell 

840
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,880
you that sometimes if you go to 
a haunted location, you bring in

841
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,080
different groups throughout the 
night to investigate a specific 

842
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,240
place in a haunted location. 
Some groups get stuff off the 

843
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,280
charts, other groups can go in 
and that it's dead as a 

844
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,000
doornail. 
I 100% agree with you of 

845
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,640
everything I've learned and I 
tell John this all the time. 

846
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,320
I think he's a witch because I 
use those apps and those 

847
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,160
devices, I get nothing. 
But when he uses it, things 

848
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,320
happen. 
And I, I, I swear it's him and 

849
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,440
people on this podcast that have
listened to us. 

850
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160
I tell him all the time, if a 
Carpenter comes into your house 

851
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,360
and wrecks up the, and messes up
the renovation, you're not going

852
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,400
to blame his hammer. 
You're going to blame the 

853
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,360
person. 
It's always comes down to the 

854
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,680
person and to me. 
And it's, it's that I, it's very

855
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,320
fascinating that you, you took 
this down that road yourself. 

856
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,280
And, and it's, I love hearing 
that. 

857
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,320
It speaks to a lot, you know, as
we paint this picture. 

858
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,280
John, the problem is Gary 
doesn't believe any of this. 

859
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,320
He is. 
He is so blocked off he is 

860
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,160
looking for ways to debunk. 
Well, I don't. 

861
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,200
Think that's true? 
Daba daba daba daba daba daba 

862
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,800
daba. 
You can argue with a psychic all

863
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,040
you want to no. 
No shit, Chip, I'll tell you 

864
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,440
what, I'll tell you what, 
between me and you and everybody

865
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,320
that's going to listen to this 
and Gary, we joke around when 

866
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,280
I'm live about how we can, how 
you can go back to the first 

867
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,000
episode of Splintered Spirits 
and go to the last episode and 

868
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,240
you can start to see Gary's 
progression from being a full 

869
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,320
blown skeptic. 
So all the sergeants are going 

870
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,240
wait a minute, this isn't making
sense. 

871
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Wait a minute, this, this is 
crazy. 

872
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,400
This is blowing my mind. 
Wait A and you only start to see

873
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,160
the change you know from. 
I told him you should write a 

874
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,320
book about it. 
Be disrespectful if you need to 

875
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,080
be, Gary, but I'm going to ask 
you this question. 

876
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,640
Hold on a minute. 
Let me ask before you say no. 

877
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,160
I've told you about things that 
I've witnessed and seen. 

878
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,440
I saw a girl that was was 
intermittently possessed. 

879
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,080
Her necks swell up the size of a
puffer fish. 

880
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,440
I've seen her become so heavy 
that an adult male can't lift 

881
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,960
her up. 
I've seen things that are just 

882
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,960
that was on an episode of of 
Paranormal State called I Am 6. 

883
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,360
We had to go back twice. 
She had writing dug into her 

884
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200
back where she could not manage 
to do that. 

885
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,000
How do you explain these things?
So out of all the things, out of

886
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,920
all the things that I have seen 
and witness, just me, little me 

887
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:33,920
here, if you can't say, I find 
that just incredible and 

888
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,080
difficult to believe from a 
standpoint. 

889
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,480
I'm not calling, I don't think 
you're calling anybody a liar, 

890
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,240
but I think that if you witness 
those sort of things, you've got

891
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:49,840
to sort of waver a bit and your 
belief system of saying there's 

892
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,640
got to be something going on 
here. 

893
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,400
Did did I give you the 
impression? 

894
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320
Did I ever say that I didn't 
think that that was, that I 

895
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,560
doubted what you saw? 
I don't think I ever said. 

896
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,440
I don't think you did that to 
me. 

897
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,640
I think you do that with 
yourself sometimes. 

898
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,800
I'm certainly curious, not about
what people. 

899
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,360
I totally believe what people 
see. 

900
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,520
And we don't debunk. 
We always say on here, we're not

901
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,800
debunkers here. 
I haven't seen it. 

902
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,240
That doesn't mean I don't 
believe other people have seen 

903
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,640
it, and I certainly believe 
that's. 

904
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,840
What? 
That's what a skeptic is, 

905
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,960
somebody that will decry the 
experiences of somebody else. 

906
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Oh, I, I, I don't think, I, I 
don't think I've ever done that.

907
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,880
If anything, I, I hate when 
people debunk. 

908
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,960
Debunking is unfun to me. 
It's very easy to say no. 

909
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,440
And, and I think debunking is, 
and we had a skeptic on here. 

910
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,120
We had a like a literally a 
professional skeptic on here, 

911
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,640
the guy who runs the CIF it, it 
hasn't aired yet, but I look at 

912
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,560
debunking and curmudgeonry as 
the death of creativity. 

913
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
And even from outside of the 
paranormal, when you look at it 

914
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,840
from science in a science 
perspective, it's it's the 

915
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,360
people with the imagination to 
try and prove something. 

916
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,720
Even in failure, that 
progression happens. 

917
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,240
Nothing happens. 
Very few great things have 

918
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,800
happened from trying to disprove
something. 

919
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,400
I think I could point to like 2,
which is like Louis Pistor, you 

920
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640
know, you came up with pasture 
pasteurization by trying to 

921
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,640
disprove instant life theory. 
And I was telling John, it's 

922
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,920
like the only way to to prove 
the safety of a car is to try 

923
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520
and disprove how safe it is, 
right? 

924
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,880
It's like the only way to. 
So other than that, I'm a, I'm 

925
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,480
believer of trying to, you know,
I want to say yes, I'm a yes 

926
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160
person. 
Like, OK, this happened. 

927
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,760
Wow. 
And and I'm a firm believer in 

928
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,240
the human experience from 
everything I've read from 

929
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,960
people. 
Like one of our guests was this 

930
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,960
ghost hunter named Steve Parsons
out of the UK. 

931
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,800
And I loved his book Ghostology 
that just sort of knocks the 

932
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,960
gear and it's like, it's not 
about the gear. 

933
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,280
It's not about the tool, it's 
about the person and it's about 

934
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,360
the experience. 
And that's what he's like. 

935
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,920
He he was telling the problems 
he has as a ghost hunter because

936
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,480
he shows up with a pen and pad 
and because of television, 

937
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,160
everyone's used to hit, you 
know, vans full of gear, you 

938
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,440
know, and I said to him, I go, 
dude, just buy some, buy a bunch

939
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,280
of fucking empty Pelican cases 
and show up so that people, you 

940
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,240
know, you don't have to fight 
that argument, you know, like, 

941
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:24,280
what do you do your thing, but 
just have it there to just get 

942
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,480
that out of the way, you know, 
but I I wouldn't say, you know, 

943
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,040
yes, I haven't had I've, I've 
had experienced a couple of 

944
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,120
sound bite things through 
through like a spirit box, like 

945
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,360
not the apps, the spirit box 
that were wild. 

946
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,440
So I don't, you know, but I 
don't know. 

947
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,200
My thing is where I don't know 
what it is. 

948
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,920
And this is the whole point of 
what we do is what is it, right?

949
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,080
It was just where we started. 
What is it exactly? 

950
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,720
And we don't know. 
I don't know, we may never know,

951
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,040
but I'm having fun, enjoying. 
In our lifetimes. 

952
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880
No, yeah. 
And I'm having fun Enjoying 

953
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,800
what, you know, the the 
different perspectives. 

954
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,640
And you say it not in our 
lifetimes, but you know, it's 

955
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,360
like we had another guest, Dan 
Sturgesson, who pointed out, and

956
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,520
I love this example. 
We didn't even know how 

957
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,840
lightning worked until we 
created the high speed camera, 

958
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,880
which is not that long ago, you 
know. 

959
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,840
So it's to really understand 
what lightning was and how it 

960
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,160
developed. 
We didn't know what it was. 

961
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,920
And that's. 
Not that's within the past 50 

962
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,880
years. 
I could be wrong on this, but I 

963
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,360
think they recently discovered, 
maybe in the past two months, 

964
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,320
how it actually works with ice 
bending and a cloud and creating

965
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,200
electricity. 
It was, I was reading a whole 

966
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,080
article. 
Crazy. 

967
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,040
It's yeah, it's wild. 
It's wild. 

968
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,080
So, so Chip, like if if you were
to go back and literally watch 

969
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,240
episode 1 to the latest episode 
out, you can start to see get 

970
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,360
Gary's progression and we talk 
about it all the time. 

971
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,320
And like I said, he should write
a book about it because he came 

972
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,760
into this as a full blown 
skeptic. 

973
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,000
And you and Gary, now, let's be 
honest, like when we started 

974
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,800
this, you were like, all right, 
get the spirits to say this. 

975
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,000
Get the spirits to say that. 
And I'm like, Gary, I can't, I 

976
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,880
can't, I can't control them, 
man. 

977
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,920
I can't control what they're 
going to say. 

978
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,680
And once Gary realized that, he 
was like, oh, OK, whoa. 

979
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,480
You know This is why. 
Have you ever said this? 

980
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Have you ever said out loud, I'm
open to somebody, can you 

981
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,200
convince me? 
Am I open to what do you mean? 

982
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,200
I've had readings. 
Realm. 

983
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Yeah. 
Have you said that out loud? 

984
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,400
Me. 
No, I've never. 

985
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,400
I've never said. 
Can you convince me? 

986
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,440
I've never seen. 
Words. 

987
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,680
Have you said that? 
Have you ever said to something 

988
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,360
in spirit, Gary, convince me. 
I've never seen anything that I 

989
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,520
really can say is from you. 
Have you ever said that? 

990
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,680
No, I've never like. 
No, I've never like they're. 

991
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Not baiting you into saying it, 
maybe because it is, maybe maybe

992
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,040
because they're like fuck you, 
we're not going to give you what

993
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,800
you want. 
You're just you're just some 

994
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,080
skeptical disbeliever. 
I would say. 

995
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,040
Go in, go in with a very open 
attitude of saying I'm not going

996
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,640
to say nothing's going to 
happen. 

997
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
I'm not nothing's ever happened 
to me, nothing's still going to 

998
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,600
happen, blah, blah, blah. 
If you just say, all right, show

999
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,760
me, prove yourself to me that 
you're here. 

1000
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,880
Can you just? 
And that's not, that's not 

1001
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,160
necessarily baiting them, that's
basic or asking them to jump 

1002
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640
through here saying I need, I 
want to believe if they believe.

1003
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,160
You know what I I, I would say 
that I did because I I went to 

1004
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,520
Hollywood, I went to the the 
wood cemetery. 

1005
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,320
I don't want to say where 
because they they didn't let me 

1006
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,200
give me permission to shoot 
there and I by myself with a 

1007
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,080
spirit box. 
And I did ask and I drove around

1008
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,600
and I did ask like to speak and 
we did get two things happened 

1009
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,880
on two days I went one my phone 
died and I'm so pissed and I 

1010
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,840
told John I called him 
immediately because I'm like, no

1011
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,360
one's going to believe that this
happened except for John. 

1012
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,720
So I can't really talk about it.
And then the other one I sort of

1013
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,080
caught where I asked them, I 
told this, I was like, come on, 

1014
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560
spirits, like let's go. 
I was like, you know, if you 

1015
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,400
need energy to speak, I was 
like, grab those. 

1016
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,880
There's some people that were a 
little heavy set over the side, 

1017
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,600
like grab those people. 
They look like they got a lot of

1018
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,360
energy. 
They can take their energy. 

1019
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,360
And then I said, don't take my 
energy, but take their energy 

1020
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,080
and say something to me. 
And I said, and I said, do it 

1021
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,040
before these cops are going to 
throw me out or something like 

1022
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,640
that, right? 
I was like, are the cops going 

1023
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,000
to show up and throw me out of 
here because I'm not supposed to

1024
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,880
be here? 
And you, you would tell me, 

1025
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,920
right? 
And over the spirit box it goes,

1026
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,680
he's here and I go where? 
And it goes there and in I'm in 

1027
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,640
my car and you could see through
the and I couldn't see it. 

1028
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,600
But obviously after when I 
looked, you could see in the 

1029
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,640
camera the the golf cart with 
security drive right by me when 

1030
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,400
he said he's here and then go 
past me. 

1031
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,480
It was wild. 
I'm going to challenge you go on

1032
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,000
a go on some sort of this. 
How did this show become about 

1033
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,280
me being the guest? 
This is just gifts. 

1034
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,640
John, you and I are the new host
and. 

1035
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,840
You're the new host to split the
spirits, Chip. 

1036
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Well, OK, so chip, that's my 
next question. 

1037
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Chip hold. 
On let Chip ask let's wait Chip 

1038
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,240
wants to challenge me with 
something Let him say I'll write

1039
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,160
it down No, he. 
Just just want you to do he 

1040
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,720
wants you to go somewhere I want
you to or go in where and be 

1041
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,200
like, you know, spirits that you
exist. 

1042
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,800
Yeah, or I'll take you sometime.
Challenge accepted. 

1043
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,920
OK, so she'll do it. 
Speaking Speaking of all all 

1044
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,560
this, what's the what's the 
future have for you Chip? 

1045
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,400
Are you are you done? 
Are you retired? 

1046
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,720
Are you are you they putting 
this all aside or is there 

1047
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,720
something in the works maybe a 
new book, maybe a new TV show? 

1048
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,840
You know nothing, huh? 
It's. 71 years old. 

1049
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,320
I've got some health problems. 
And so because of that, I've 

1050
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,760
worked. 
I've worked hard. 

1051
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,560
I started working as a kid and 
I've worked consistently. 

1052
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,800
And now I'm 71 years old. 
You know, I have diabetes and I 

1053
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,880
have a respiratory condition. 
And I deserve to sit on my couch

1054
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,440
in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA. 
And basically, I can do what I'm

1055
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,440
doing with you guys right now 
because I'm sitting at home. 

1056
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,840
I can do phone readings with my 
clients. 

1057
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,400
I can do Zoom sessions that I do
periodically. 

1058
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,120
But as far as events go, it 
would have to take something 

1059
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,040
extraordinary to Get Me Out of 
the house. 

1060
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,640
And you can offer me the biggest
TV show on the face of the 

1061
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,080
planet. 
And I would say, yeah, no 

1062
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,880
thanks. 
No. 

1063
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,160
Thanks. 
Well, then I then I truly feel 

1064
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,680
honored that you took the time 
for for us today. 

1065
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,800
You know, I really I really 
appreciate you, Chip. 

1066
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,360
I got a couple. 
I. 

1067
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,320
I sorted you out from the first 
time I talked to you on the 

1068
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,800
phone. 
I thought this guy's got good 

1069
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,080
energy. 
Thank you. 

1070
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Yeah, and it's the truth. 
And Josh, I got a. 

1071
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,640
Couple more, I got a couple more
questions for you and then 

1072
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,800
you've given us so much time if 
you if you don't mind, Yeah, go 

1073
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,000
ahead. 
So, and it's funny considering, 

1074
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,440
considering what we're just 
talking about. 

1075
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,720
What I wanted to know is, after 
thousands of readings and being 

1076
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,600
in this paranormal space, what 
has surprised you the most about

1077
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:49,510
humanity? 
That we don't want to believe. 

1078
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:53,440
Most of us don't want to believe
that when our heart stops 

1079
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,760
beating and the brain waves stop
and we breathe our last breath, 

1080
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,720
that the credits roll and that's
it. 

1081
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,080
Most people want to hold on to 
the hope and the belief that 

1082
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,840
there's something immortal about
us. 

1083
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,400
That's a good one. 
That's a good answer. 

1084
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Yeah, and that our loved one and
that clients want to believe 

1085
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,760
that their loved ones are 
someplace in a pain free, 

1086
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,440
loving, peaceful place. 
Well. 

1087
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,880
It's just, yeah, I want to let 
that one sit for a minute. 

1088
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,360
That's a good one. 
That's a good answer. 

1089
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,120
I mean, it's deep. 
You know, it's like it is 

1090
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,360
because death is. 
I mean, really, that is part of 

1091
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,440
the fascination with that. 
A lot of people have. 

1092
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,920
They watch these shows and they.
Well, they. 

1093
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,480
Watch. 
Online, it's existed since 

1094
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,480
recorded time. 
I mean, the Egyptians, the the, 

1095
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,120
the ancients all had their own 
death rituals. 

1096
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,200
And we still do. 
We still cremate people and 

1097
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,840
scatter their ashes and we bury 
them and we have funerals and we

1098
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,200
still have that. 
We have that kinship with death.

1099
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,520
I mean, there's anything that's 
still mystified they're. 

1100
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,760
Starting to find burials from 
ancient humans, like, not like, 

1101
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,760
you know, not humanoids, like 
even going farther back than the

1102
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Devonians and the Neanderthals. 
They're starting to find these 

1103
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,240
burial grounds. 
And that's, that's something to 

1104
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,480
think about. 
Chip, is there anything that 

1105
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,520
still mystifies you after seeing
what you've seen? 

1106
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,640
And there are things that still,
I say, I can't be shocked 

1107
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,560
anymore, but I guess I can. 
Nothing comes to mind at this 

1108
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,880
point in time. 
I think. 

1109
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,600
I think sometimes I'm just 
shocked by the ugliness of some 

1110
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:55,400
people that there's, there's 
just not, they just they just 

1111
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,560
don't come across as being good 
people. 

1112
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,160
And they, some of them come 
across as being really bad 

1113
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,320
people. 
And which is kind of the reason 

1114
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,520
why I've become a hermit and a 
recluse. 

1115
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,920
I just sit here and mind my own 
effing business. 

1116
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,840
That's just. 
That makes me that makes me a 

1117
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,240
little bit sad chip like I don't
like the fact that makes. 

1118
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,440
Me sad and disappointed too. 
Reality of it, unfortunately. 

1119
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Yeah, we hate it. 
We hate bullies. 

1120
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,800
We are. 
We are anti bully. 

1121
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,480
Well, you, you know. 
I have. 

1122
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,680
A Trolls or I? 
Have a handful of people in my 

1123
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:34,320
life that I consider my closest 
of close and I know a lot of 

1124
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,880
people and I'm friendly with a 
lot of people, but I don't call 

1125
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,320
people my friends that has a 
that has an elitism to it to me,

1126
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,920
you know, that I have to put 
them in it in a higher in a 

1127
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,880
higher rank. 
But I can be friendly and nice 

1128
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,320
and cordial to anybody. 
But if the if I'm not, you know,

1129
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,880
I don't want to have a part of 
it. 

1130
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,320
I don't want to be a part of 
anything that's got to do with 

1131
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,000
being nasty. 
I don't want to have a part of 

1132
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,880
that. 
So if the easiest way is to kind

1133
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:07,120
of tighten the reins a little 
bit or whatever, I'm going to 

1134
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,160
try to enjoy whatever time I've 
got left on this side of the 

1135
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,480
grave. 
That's my goal. 

1136
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,880
I like your philosophy on the 
word friends. 

1137
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,600
I always, you know, I think it's
a Robin Williams joke, right? 

1138
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Where it's, you know, a friend 
is somebody who will help you 

1139
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,200
move and a real friend is 
someone who will help you move 

1140
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,480
bodies, right. 
And I and I, it's like, and I'm 

1141
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,080
in Hollywood, you know how it is
everyone. 

1142
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,760
Oh, that's my friend. 
That's my friend's like, dude, 

1143
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,040
you're not friends. 
You might be friendly. 

1144
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,160
You know you're not friends. 
You know, and the people that 

1145
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,200
are in the paranormal arena, you
know, publicly you can call them

1146
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,240
friends, but basically they're 
colleagues. 

1147
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,280
And you might have, you might 
have warm feelings for them, but

1148
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,480
when push comes to shove, you're
not hanging out with them, 

1149
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,480
you're not inviting them over to
your house, you're not doing 

1150
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,360
these things with them. 
So you've got a friendly 

1151
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,480
relationship with them. 
So I'm very cautious about how I

1152
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,000
label people, you know, and I'm 
very cautious about who I use 

1153
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,760
the words I love you with. 
Very cautious. 

1154
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's a, 
it's a good philosophy to live 

1155
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,480
by. 
And yeah, stay guarded, protect 

1156
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,160
yourself in that sense, for 
sure. 

1157
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,720
It's hard to open up and then 
get burned. 

1158
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,320
Nobody wants that, especially 
towards the end. 

1159
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,080
It's like, fuck it, I know what 
I want. 

1160
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,280
I know who I want and I'm not 
going to, you know, burn 

1161
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,280
calories on someone who's not 
going to give it it. 

1162
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,360
Took a lot of time and a lot of 
experience and trips around the 

1163
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,160
block numerous times to get to 
where I'm sitting right here 

1164
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,840
right now. 
But everything I've ever 

1165
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,280
experienced has brought me right
here to the right now. 

1166
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,360
So do I have any regrets? 
Maybe a few, but not that many. 

1167
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,720
And am I going to live my life 
to the best of my potential with

1168
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,640
whatever time I've got left? 
You betcha. 

1169
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,400
Chip, I want to end it with on 
another good note about that, 

1170
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,320
about your wisdom, about you've 
done it and just sort of leaving

1171
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,840
people with a bit of advice, 
which is if someone someone 

1172
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,320
listening, especially coming off
of psychic kids and you know 

1173
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,800
what that meant to you 
personally and being a kid. 

1174
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,080
If someone listening suspects 
they may be sensitive or 

1175
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,520
intuitive, what is the first 
step that you would recommend 

1176
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,400
they do? 
This is going to sound 

1177
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,320
self-serving, but I'd say buy 
and read my book. 

1178
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,160
I love it. 
Yeah, it is great. 

1179
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,480
Buy and read my I. 
Don't think it sounds 

1180
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,240
self-serving, I think it sounds 
like wise advice. 

1181
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,520
No, it's wonderful. 
Well, it's like, it's like a 

1182
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,400
good vaulting point. 
It's a good first step in 

1183
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,880
figuring some stuff out. 
And you know, from there, you 

1184
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,960
know, don't just assume that 
your child is mentally 

1185
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,280
disturbed. 
Growing up psychic. 

1186
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,280
I love it. 
Growing up psychic, it was the 

1187
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,960
name of the book. 
It was growing up psychic by 

1188
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,960
Chip coffee. 
It's and it's it is it? 

1189
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,600
It's a wonderful balance. 
Chip tells a great story not 

1190
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,080
only about himself but then 
rolls it, flows it through with 

1191
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,800
his experiences on the show and 
dealing with other kids and then

1192
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,560
how he grew up with it. 
And then also at the end of it 

1193
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,000
for noobs like myself, there's a
nice glossary at the end so you 

1194
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,200
really understand what he's 
talking about and how he looks 

1195
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,240
at it and defines things that 
and his experiences. 

1196
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,360
You're right, it is a good it 
isn't a great intro book for 

1197
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,360
somebody if they're unsure, 
especially young, what to how to

1198
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,080
how they could feel and and move
forward with it. 

1199
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,480
For sure, Chip, I thank you so 
much. 

1200
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,120
I really appreciate. 
You talking to you. 

1201
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,400
Thank you so much for sharing 
everything. 

1202
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,200
I really appreciate it. 
I appreciate you guys. 

1203
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,320
You guys behave yourself. 
I hope Santa's good to you. 

1204
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,200
Yeah. 
Well, all right, Chip. 

1205
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,080
Thank you, Stan. 
Make sure I'm good to myself. 

1206
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,480
Wonderful holiday. 
Well, that's it for another 

1207
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,560
episode of Splintered Spirits. 
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1208
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,760
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1209
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,400
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