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I can't hear you. Something's going to start
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Yeah, I know. I guess that's true, right?
People just start trolling you and doing it.
Well, that's one of my favorite things when I'm live and
somebody's internet's acting up and they make the biggest deal
that I'm lagging, right? And then everyone else is like,
I'm not lagging. I'm not lagging, I'm not
lagging. But then you never know because
then everybody could be lagging, right?
So, well, I usually wait for multiple people to say it before
I'm like, all right, you got a problem.
Right. Well, hopefully, you know,
there's always a little bit of a lag, you know, with these lives,
but guys again or you know, hopefully, oh, you know what I'm
not going to be able to see the YouTube chat I got to do all
right, I'll. Pull it up.
I'll pull it up on my phone. I got to do something different
to see it. See here, YouTube.
I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you, YouTube.
There we go there we go now I could say I got to hold it up so
all right welcome everyone now I see people there they're people
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We're vertical. We're.
This looks great by the way. I'm looking at it right now on
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Good. So guys, we are, we're vertical
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And anyway, dude, we're starting we're good.
John, how you doing? I'm.
Good. How are you?
I'm doing all right. Welcome to Splinter Spirits,
everybody in the podcast where we asked that vital question,
what are spirits? We have a guest today.
She's in our lobby. We'll join.
We'll bring her in shortly. But I wanted to show you
something real quick that you might get a kick out of.
So, and I posted this earlier, but so you know, John, this is
the antenna. Can you see this?
This is the antenna that comes with.
With the SP7, Yep. The SP7, do you see this thing
right? So I modded my SP7 right because
this just wasn't getting just wasn't picking up the dead dude
just wasn't doing it. So I so I I modified it from
this antenna to this one. Oh, that's much better.
Right, It looks pretty good, right.
But then John, I felt, I don't know if it's good enough.
So then I got. That's a big boy.
It's. Like, dude, if I can't get the
dead with this, I mean, I should be able to talk to your God now,
yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
definitely this guy. Daddy should be calling.
He should be calling me through through the ghost fire.
Fire. Anyway, that's kind of the
latest. That's the latest.
I've been digging around with that.
Let me tell you about our guest today.
You guys want to hear who it is? Anyone.
Did anyone? Is anybody following us?
You may already know because I posted about it.
I don't know, Gary, when when you were strips in that antenna
because I I it's delayed on the Y TS and I have it up here.
It literally looked like you were about to like, you know,
like a teacher with a ruler, you know?
Come here, ghosties. Right.
People are probably like the guy everybody turned on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, dude, bigger is
better when you're dealing with ghost communication.
I guess so. All right, so let me tell you
about our guest today, Tammy Chavez.
Tammy Chavez is Ala based paranormal investigator, podcast
host, costume designer and content creator.
Let me shut off that AC so it doesn't sound like a big noise
here. She Co created some content in a
in a podcast called Hollyweird Paranormal in 2017 alongside her
Co host Bryce Mitchell Williams on They do they it's a kind of a
thing between ghost stories around their workplace and an
acting school in Hollywood. That's kind of where it
originated and where they saw stuff and they combined it with
like like all LA lore and sort of true crime and things about
that. And you know a lot about the LA
stories from the Black Dahlia stuff and all these things.
And then they found all these others, all these other things
and it really built a built a thing about it.
She has another brand called Haunted Threads because and it
blends her costume design profession with the paranormal.
As her tagline puts it, every stitch has a ghost story, which
I enjoy because that's what she does.
She grew up in New Orleans, so she's got all that going on.
She knows a lot. She's like a historian.
She she's a student at the Rhine Institute.
She was a consultant on ghost inventors.
Tammy's been around. She's a friend to a lot of other
people we have. So I'm going to bring her in and
I want to get into it with her about what she's experienced,
certainly in LA and beyond. Guys, please give a big splinter
spirits. Welcome to our friend and
hopefully yours, Tammy Chavez. Hi, welcome.
Hello. Hello.
Hi. Thank you for having me you
guys. Hi, you're very welcome.
Tammy, thank you so much for joining us on Splinter Spirits
today. Thank you for having me.
I have so many questions for you.
I don't know, Let's see where I want to start because you've got
a great background, got a great. So shoot.
Away. Are you writing?
I don't know, but let's, let's give it a shot.
So you grew up in New Orleans, right?
Yes, I did. OK.
And you have a Honduran and Lebanese back story.
Yeah, my mom is a Honduran and my dad is from Lebanon.
All right, so these are a lot of cultures you grew up in.
You grew up in a real melting pot of folklore.
Yes. Correct.
So how did that those cultural traditions shape your
understanding of the paranormal before you ever picked up a
ghost hunting device? Immensely, you know, I got to, I
guess, have a a moosh moosh of every single culture and
especially the culture in New Orleans.
It really shaped me in a way of like understanding different
religions and different beliefs and the different understanding
of what a ghost or this phenomenon is.
And of course, like with my mom being raised as a Catholic, it's
always a demon. It's something evil, something
we don't talk about in New Orleans.
It's probably the Rougarou, which is like, you know, the
swamp, a werewolf, or you know, it's.
Wait, what'd you say? What's that called?
It's called the Rougarou. The Rougarou.
Yeah, it's a small werewolf and it's one of our cryptids.
So that is a lure that I grew up learning about when I was
growing up in New Orleans and with my dad.
Not really much, except that my dad in Lebanon grew up on a
very, very old farmhouse that was passed down for many
generations. I'm talking about like
Bismetanian times. Like it's, it's been in the
family for hundreds of years. And allegedly we have a house
sitter this this caretaker who takes care of it and has claimed
that he has seen ghosts of warriors, like soldiers from the
Besopotamian War. And growing up as a child, my
dad would find like pieces of armor, weapons, Arrowhead
swords, even bones of horses. And he told me a story of how
one night the caretaker woke up and he saw an apparition of a
soldier dressed in a tunic, sandals, had a sword.
And he said the guy said he he thought it was a robber, but he
could see right through him. He wasn't dressed of the time
period. And when he saw him and the
sword, he pissed in his pants and turned on the light and the
guy disappeared. But growing up, my dad said
there were a lot of unusual things that they would see in
the night around the house and also in the skies too.
So it was very unique growing up in those parts, especially in
the country, in Lebanon. So, but Tammy, was there a
moment that you can point to specifically where because you
know, when you're a kid, you kind of go off of what your
parents are saying, You know, you're going off with the people
And can you point to a time when you're like, wait a minute, this
doesn't seem right, but I know there's something there.
Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
Like, just I guess when I was growing up in New Orleans and
taking a field trip down Saint Charles and then talking about
the different types of houses that had ghosts, how old I was.
Like, what do you mean, like the houses that had ghosts?
Like this was like kind of like my awakening to the word ghost
and hauntings. How old?
Were you? I wasn't want to say like almost
eight or nine, OK. And yeah.
And I want to say around 8 or 9 is when I started really hearing
about these stories and how I was introduced to all sorts of
lures in New Orleans, specifically these haunted
houses off of Saint Charles and this new word of ghosts and
hauntings that I was hearing about.
And hearing the teacher and the guy talk to us of like these
apparitions and how they appear to us.
You know, the living was really, really scary.
And of course, like it. I, you know, feared it growing
up until I ended up working in the theaters there in college.
Then I had a kind of a different shift in understanding what I
was really dealing with. So did that What?
At what point did that fascination?
Was it college like you just said?
Was it? That's where it's like, I'm
going to make this and I really got to dig into this.
Yeah, college was like kind of like almost like almost a
rebirth because I saw my first apparition when I was working in
a haunted theater in New Orleans and I was working in costumes
and I saw a full body apparition of a lighting designer that had
passed away like years ago. And a lot of people claim, like,
he still comes to work and he watches over the theater.
And I remember seeing him in his theater.
Blacks, black hair, black mustache.
And everybody's like, yeah, that's Bob.
That is our old lighting designer.
And I was like, what? So ever since then it's been
like this little bread crumbs, especially working in
entertainment and working in a lot of these old haunted
theaters and film sets that I started to experience.
And slowly, you know, kind of like have this mind shift of
what is the paranormal. And thus my journey really
started to begin right there. Now you're, you're a Seminole,
right? You went to Florida State.
Oh. Yeah, I went to Florida State
for grad school and I am part of a Wolfpack from my undergrad.
Yeah, from Florida, New Orleans, Yeah.
All right, listen, I love New Orleans.
I mean, it's it's I used to go there every year.
I was a jazz fest guy. I would go my bachelor party was
out there. I mean, I love, I absolutely
love that city and everything about it And, and it's got
character and I know, and it just feel like you can feel it.
Yeah, growing up you. Find there isn't.
You know that intensity, right? Yeah.
So now you're in college, you have this awakening.
You start to get into it. You see this theater goes.
But then you When did you pack your bags up and move out here
to LA? I moved in 2009 and started
working with a lot of musicians, and I'm talking like rock bands
and I started like styling and working in costumes and wigs for
their shows. So I'm like, my first gig was,
Oh my God, was Jane's Addiction their 2009 Lollapalooza tour.
So they needed rigs for their backup dancers.
And I was certainly like, I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm definitely
destined to do that. And of course, like we meet up
at this old studios in Hollywood.
I remember like, Perry Pharrell even bringing up like a story,
like, I wonder if this place is haunted.
And his bass player was like, yeah, you know, I wonder, you
know, if there's a ghost somewhere.
It feels like, if it has this weird feeling, man.
And they are talking about like the dark energies in and around
Hollywood, which was really unique.
Musicians and theaters is a very strange spot for how you
experience this. OK, so you're in there, you're
doing this stuff with rock bands and it's it's all it's still
it's still happening with you, right?
This experience, this getting, you know, seeing these spirits,
seeing these things. What was your first time going
on a real like investigation out here?
A real investigation happened when I started my podcast to
Polly Weird Paranormal and the first location I went to was the
David Omen house off of Cielo Drive.
Yeah, sure. I just did, Tammy.
I just did an interview with David.
I just sat down. An old acquaintance.
Let me tell you, I told John. John hasn't seen the footage
yet. I just, I'm still putting
together. It's like, it's the bizarro.
It's like going to be like a bizarro episode of Cribs I.
Believe that. Did you guys have the BBQ?
Did he cook you Barbie? No, no, no, no.
I just listen. First of all, you got to
understand I'm not an investigator.
I taste the best, I'm sorry. Yeah, dude, could you imagine if
like, then there's no way. So I mean, I'm not an
investigator. I'm like, I'm out there trying
to learn about this stuff legitimately, right?
So I'm not saying that he took me into that dirt room under the
house. And I'm like, listen, I'm
getting the I'm getting the fuck out of here.
You know, it's like, you know, he says, yeah, there's a Native
American buried under here. I'm like, yeah, OK, I'm gone.
I'll see you outside. Let's we stand outside with.
These people, but public listen, that's the first thing you do
when you invite someone to your house.
You got to show them the dirt room in the basement.
Exactly. Well, John, you got to
understand, right, so that his house, the Omen house is in
Cielo Dr. is it's all built on a hill.
So the house is out here built into the hills.
So those bottom floors are literally in the dirt and some
dirt not finished. And you know, it's just anyway.
So all right, so that's really that's your first thing is that
what a first way in man, that's like a trial by fire.
I know that was ripping the Band-Aid right there in house.
Did anything happen when you were?
There I continued to investigate the house for the next two to
three years. You know, we became good friends
and he always invited me over and had a lot of weird
experiences there. So you did so and did you have
an experience your first time there?
Yes, actually I did. I remember I don't think it was
connected to the house. I think the house actually like
manifests, even things that are attached to you.
But we were in the earth and wall room with a woman.
I was with the this woman very nice was sitting down and she
was sitting in this room by herself as I entered and I was
like, hi, I'm just going to sit next to you really nice.
And then all of a sudden I see this big ball of light, like
float from her into into the earth, I guess, like that little
Ridge right there in that room. And I looked at her as like, did
did you just see that? And she's like, yeah, that's my
mom. I'm like, what?
She's like, my mom just passed away a month ago.
And I know that she's always around and she's been very
active ever since I set foot in displays.
And I remember David, of course, I'm sure you experienced this
when you're alone. You're really not alone in his
house because he gets on the intercom and he's like, I saw
that too. I saw that ball.
He has his cameras on and everything, but he hopped on the
intercom. He's like, I have the footage.
I saw that ball of light too. So it was really unique and
weird. And he even mentions like this
house like manifests things that have attachment or are attached
to you, which is really interesting.
I'll have to get that footage from him because.
Yeah. And he's, he was with me.
So it was like an interview as we walked through the house,
right. And, and so he wasn't, but John,
he's got cameras at, he's got like 50 cameras for.
Freeway to try to constantly. Catch and stuff which is you
know it I mean it's a whole other thing right yes all right
so where do I go with I mean you have you have you cover so much
Tammy which is right fascinating and I and I got to tell you I
love the latest thing you're doing the haunted threads and I
say latest because I just discovered that how long how
long is that has that been going on for about a year it's.
Been going on for a year. It's been on a hiatus because I
do during the day. I am a costume designer and
costume manager at a university here in California.
So we had a busy season and now I'm about to pick it back up
very soon. So yeah, I just wanted to merge
2 of my passions, which was like ghost stories and investigating
and storytelling and intertwine that with costume construction.
Would it would, what would it look like if I were to build a
costume for a famous ghost that was part of a, a ghost story
that we've all heard? So first one was my first
investigation at the Omen house. And that was my dress that I
constructed for Sharon Tate. And I found a actress in the
theater department who was like perfect.
She, I had a wig made for her. We had her all foot fitted and
everything. And you see it on the pictures
in the video, like she really got into the character.
She really looked like her in certain angles and everything.
And with the dress and the hair, it was just, it was all perfect.
That's. Crazy.
It's that's it's so unique. Yes, yes, it's so unique.
I was just about. To say that so unique.
Who else is? I've never done.
I've never heard anybody do anything like that.
Right. Really.
Really use. Her skill set and tie it into
her passion, right? Yeah.
Yeah, it's so unique, so awesome It it makes.
It it makes so much sense now. Have you discovered anything
from in this space of, of haunted threats?
Like do you, do you ever handle garments and experience that?
I mean, I'm, I'm assuming you're dealing with a lot of like
Hollywood warehouses and things like that.
And they said, so walk me through that.
What kind, what kind of vibes did you get in these places?
And to, to come up with that stuff, you know, and why and why
and more importantly, why do you think there is an, an attachment
to these, these articles of clothing or these things?
Well, A. Costume is the blueprint of a
character and a lot of times those costumes are so loved by
the people that are wearing them.
Some and a lot of those costumes were built to to their
measurements. It was built to their bodies and
even suits that were tailored. And I go into a lot of these
warehouses and you could feel a lot of that energy permeate from
accessories and garments. You know, if you think about it,
a lot of these performers, these actors on stage and film, they
are really going into it like they're feeling all the emotion,
the trauma, the love, the happiness of their character.
And that's all being absorbed in the fiber of, you know, a
garment. And that stays within the
garment until it's taken off. Like their blood, sweat and
tears are literally on there as well as the whoever made it or
tailored it. And I I would say like and I
was. Even told by people that I've
worked with on film sets and by one of the costume union girls,
like, oh, if you go to the Sony studio, Oh no Warner Brothers,
Oh no Paramount, their costume shop is crazy haunted.
They have stories it for days. And like this is literally like
content that I could literally just go in there and interview
every single person. And I have a year's worth of
content for my podcast of just experiences of people handling
costume. And even like the most recent
video I posted of the suit, like I bought this vintage suit from
a vintage shop off of Magnolia Blvd. in Burbank or Horror Row.
And the suit came with something because weird things started
happening in the shop that never happened until I bought the
suit. And when we had this actress
come in to be fitted, I didn't know she was a medium.
I didn't know she had abilities. And she literally called it out.
She's like, you have a man here. I'm like, no, I don't.
Just like, no, I hear, I'm hearing a man shuffling through
your racks of costumes and I'm seeing him in my mind.
He's looking for a suit. I keep on hearing, where's my
suit? And I'm just like, mouth agape,
all my pins and needles on the floor at this point.
And I said, yeah, I bought a suit.
And she's like, yeah, I keep on hearing Chester.
And I'm like, you're not going to believe it.
Inside the suit are his initials.
It's like CMK Chester. So I was like, no way.
And I'm like, well, can you please tell him to stop making a
mess out of my aisles? Cause for the past week, every
time I come in, there's suits on the floor and I'm yelling at my
work studies like, hey, what's going on?
Why are you guys leaving a mess? And they're like, we didn't do
anything. We wouldn't create more work and
we know better. So I'm like, well, who's leaving
all this mess on the floor? So it was him.
And she was like, you need to go in there in the, you know, after
closing, just you and him have it, have a little talk, have a
little Kiki and just tell him politely to stop doing it and
why you need the suit and to tell him that you're going to
take care of the suit, which I did and it stopped.
So ever since then, like I would always come in and greet him and
say goodbye to him. And every now and then I would
hear like someone every now and then, not all the time, but I
would hear someone kind of rummaging through the suit
aisle. You know, it was really
interesting. So this is.
Here's something you said that's interesting.
It's that, you know when you started the story here about
people, it's their blood, sweat and tears.
It's just love for character. And they leave this on the
garment, right? So I mean, it's sort of our core
question here. It's, you know, Tammy, what do
you think a spirit is, then? If in that moment they're
leaving it on their costumes or in their garments?
What, what is it? What do you think a spirit is?
Oh my God, that. Is always the $1,000,000
question and I love asking this question too on my podcast.
We're never going to have the full answer.
I think a spirit or a ghost could be many things I've been,
I've even have seen and heard debates of like, no, it's a
ghost. No, it's a spirit.
It's a spirit because it used to belong to a person.
And a ghost is just, you know, a demon or whatever.
But I think you know, you know, in my opinion, and this is just
from my journey, you know, it has evolved that it could be
many things. It could be a memory, it could
be a replay or residual. It could be, you know,
geomagnetism. It could be a discarded agent,
someone, something that belonged, a soul that belonged
to a living person. And what does that mean?
Wait. Wait, what does that mean?
A discarded. Agent, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just a soul or, you know, a spiritual being, a spirit from,
you know, a person that once lived.
And it's just. Oh, I see.
I yeah, sorry. I thought you meant it was like
something attached to someone, like, like someone's carrying
around a second thing, Like there's they're OK.
OK, I see what you're saying. It could be so many things and I
feel like we are never going to have that truth because
whatever's out there really doesn't want us to know until we
cross that threshold ourselves. And I think we can have all the
evidence in the world, but I don't think we'll ever have that
proof. And that is the biggest
difference is that proof and evidence.
But what do you believe with? All of your backgrounds you
believe in, you know, where do you lean?
Are you in sort of a more religious side of things like
Catholicism or you know, No, very.
Spiritual. No, very spiritual.
I'm more of like it could be anything I feel.
I look at the paranormal and everything like an octopus and
it's tentacles. Polls just represent everything.
Because if you think about it like, what is a ghost?
Well, it's a part of the paranormal community.
There's ghosts that we have to label something that just makes
sense because we can't describe what's happening with this
phenomenon. Or is it a Cryptid?
Or is it a demon? Or is it a poltergeist?
Or is it an alien? Or is it my favorite parallel
dimensions? I love that, you know, like
John. John, you're a.
Big paranoid dimension guy I love.
That and the stories I've heard, you know, of like people seeing
their younger selves as their older selves.
It's crazy, It's mind boggling. And have you ever experienced?
That no I. Haven't.
I wish I can't because that would be very unique, you know?
And I've heard different types of stories like that that have
truly changed the trajectory of how I I view a haunting and a
ghost. I don't think we really are
going to have that answer. A ghost could be many things.
All right, all. Right.
I'll give it to you. I'll let it slide.
Just saying a round, round answer.
Tammy, you described your I've heard you describe yourself.
I'm probably is it a a Bruja? Is that how you say that A?
Bruja. I'm not.
Don't make me roll my arm. It'll be just a bit.
Listen, tell me if you make me roll my Rs, it's embarrassing
for everyone. Oh no, don't make me do it
tonight. My entire life tonight all I'm
gonna say is blue R now that's one of my that's one of my tism
triggers. I definitely.
Consider my I'm doing a little blue Haria.
Yes, I love. I can't say I'm.
Never gonna say that. I'm not.
I'm just gonna be. It's like I'm not gonna say
croissant either. It's just not gonna croissant.
All right, but. You use like black salt and
black tourmaline like so OK, how do you wreck?
So if that's is that true, then I guess if you consider yourself
this and is it, how do you reconcile sort of spiritual
protection side of your practice with this more scientific and
evidence based approach you do when you investigate?
How do I use it? I I mean, yeah, like how do.
You How do you cover both sides I.
Used to go in raw as I was told by what does.
That mean that's the way. To do it.
I go in hard, in raw, keep it clean.
Girl, that's my name in. Prison, you know.
We back up going in the new model raw and.
Hard like your. That's it, yeah.
Raw and hard. I, I was always in the belief in
the scientific belief. Look, if you're just, I'm just
there to collect evidence and to collect data and just to be
grounded like I just need to be, you know, not single minded, but
open minded, be very grounded and a lot of, I don't know, like
I've had a lot of discussions with people who are very
spiritual who are in my group. They were like, Tammy, you need
to like cleanse because I just feel like you carry and harbor
so many things from these places and I feel like I kind of don't,
but just to make themselves feel better to I was about to say
don't. Let any.
Yeah, yeah. Don't let people turn around and
tell you that you're gathering this and that from places.
If you feel fine, you're good. Yeah, I feel fine.
But for the sake of them, like they're like, can you at least
please carry this rock or put carry this, you know, Florida
Water or Cascadia like I'm like. Yeah.
I mean, I'm like, I've been told by, you know, who is it?
Johnny Alteny is one of my favorite weirdos and
investigators, but he brought up a really good point in a
lecture. He was like, you just have to be
grounded. You know, if you walk in
thinking that something's going to follow you home, then
something will most likely freaking follow you home.
And he's like, you just have to understand, we really don't know
what we're truly dealing with. You know, it could be so many
things. It could be carbon monoxide.
It could be parallel universe. And yeah.
And I had a case like that where a girl was, she was almost
poisoned. She thought she had spirits in
her apartment. And lo and behold, there were no
batteries in her carbon monoxide detector.
And when we put the batteries in, it went off.
Yeah. So wow, wow, wow.
And so do you. So do you.
Do you compartmentalize then? In that sense, Yeah.
Is there stages of it for you? I'm curious, you know.
No for me. Like I feel like it depends on
the case, like I could compartmentalize it or I could
it could be stages like with the Dave and Oven House.
Like let's take that for a real. That was a huge learning curve
for me because I walked in with a lot of biases from based on a
lot of the shows that I watch, like, Oh my God, I'm going to
see a bloody Sharon Tate. I'm going to see, you know, the
victims of the Sharon Tate murder.
And then within time, I was like, huh, I feel like my
hypothesis on this place is that it's just a revolving door of
energy because it's in the middle of Benedict Canyon.
And there's so many weird things inside and outside that I really
don't think we're really dealing with what we really are dealing
with. And that was like a year and a
half into it. So those are things, yeah, that
I mean, I took it in stages where all other things like I
really did compartmentalize that.
You know, I tell you, when I was there, the only thing I didn't
experience anything other than there was one section of the
house where I got chills every single time I walk through it.
Yeah. Was it the?
Second or third floor it's. It's down.
I don't because it goes fucking down.
What is it? Yeah, the second floor, yeah.
Was it the third? Floor No must have been the
third floor where the where his where his all his sports
memorabilia is the so. That's the oh, well, he has the
second. The second one.
He has the stuff from what is it, the boxer Jack Johnson.
Yeah, down there. It's in there, but it was, yeah,
there's hope. It's in that one room.
But every time, no matter how fast I walk through it or slow,
I got chills. I had to stop and it was weird.
That was the weirdest thing to happen.
I have it on camera, too. It's like you can.
There were so the goosebumps were so big you could see it
showed up on camera. I believe it.
That's happened to me too on the 3rd floor, just out of nowhere,
just like this wave of cold air just passes through.
You're like, what the hell was that, you know?
Tammy, do you consider yourself like a a psychic or have psychic
abilities? Oh God.
Tony's probably going to get on me about this.
I've never considered myself to be psychic medium or to have or
to be a medium, but I was told by one of the top psychic and
mediums in Lilydale that I have very strong abilities and I have
had experiences with those abilities in locations.
I would see it, I would see it in my mind, I would hear it and
I would taste it. And even Tony has confirmed this
many times with me. She's like, you just have to
hone in and trust it. And a lot of the times where I
would go into these locations and I would talk to the owners
or, you know, the caretakers and like, hey, is there a man here?
Is there a child here? And they're like, yes, Oh my
God, you're not going to believe this.
But a while ago they found a a little girl here locked in one
of the clock. I'm like, OK, well, I'm coming
up with like a lot of images and words and I mean, I'm fine if
you can, you know, do not recognize anything that is
coming out my mouth. That is fine.
But I'm just calling it like I see it like how I smell it or
taste it. It's just I'm calling it out
right here. So in a lot of times like it is
confirmed. Do you?
Feel that that has strengthened over the years for you,
definitely. Now I've learned to trust it and
to accept it. What's the big?
Thing. So what's the big?
What's the big Claire that you carry?
I want to say that I am definitely Claire.
What is it? Gustin's.
Where you can taste it or smell it?
Oh. Oh, that seems like the worst
Claire to have. It is.
It's really. Interesting.
It's terrible. I am.
I am staying out of this one. Oh come on.
Many jokes. All the flares.
Like. Maybe.
I don't know. Yeah, right.
A ghost. I mean, I'm all the Claire what
have you. Tasted like tell like
cigarettes. Cigarettes.
Yeah, I've tasted. Cigarettes I was doing, I was
researching a case, I was talking to the owner of this
tattoo parlor in Santa Clarita artifact, and he was telling me
about this case of this man that was murdered there in the early
2000s. And I'm like, was he a heavy
smoker? Because I'm getting the taste of
Marlboro Reds Because I used to smoke in college and I used to
bomb cigarettes. I didn't care what it was.
If it had, if it was a nicotine wrapped up in paper, I'm going
to smoke it. If it was like a patch, I'm
going to roll it up and smoke it regardless.
Like, I just, you know, always stressed and on edge.
And he was like, I'm not sure. And by the second investigation,
we had close friends of that victim show up and leave
cigarettes. And I'm like, oh, so he really
did smoke. Yeah.
He smoked like a chimney. And I'm like, did he smoke
Marlboro Reds? And they're like, yeah, I'm
like. And I looked at the owner.
I'm like, I told you when you sent me all this information
where you're telling me this, I tasted cigarettes.
I don't know why. And those are things that, you
know, come to me like out of. That's how you.
Get your fix too. So I get your fix.
You hang around. It tastes like a red either.
I know, I know there. That is a.
Unique taste. Oh, on the cloves.
That are, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, clothes
are. And those are sweet.
Yeah, OK. Tammy, you also you studied a
little at the Ryan Institute or how did that work?
I know a lot about the Ryan Institute.
So what was that? Were you in?
Did you was it online? Did you go to North Carolina?
Like where did you do this? Was during the?
Pandemic and I ended up taking that class with Lloyd Auerbach,
who's one of the head instructors and and we've got
Lloyd. Was our first guest.
I love him. I've known Lloyd for years.
I love him and he, he's another one that was really a big part
of my journey and help me with my vision and everything.
And yeah, I took the intro to paranormal investigating, like
ghost hunting, you know, how to separate fact from fiction.
And it was such a great experience learning from him and
learning to read these articles that, you know, the Ryan
Institute has in their, you know, their database, all these
documented, you know, labs and investigations that they've done
and how they properly, yeah, how to properly document and and
record these phenomenons is very unique.
And I wish a lot of people would really get on board with that.
Let me ask you. This because you've now seen
you've been a part of a lot of different things, right?
Which is really, this is kind of, this is actually a great
question for you studying with Lloyd, right?
And there's guys like Lloyd and I've interviewed guys like Steve
Parsons, he's old school investigators and I know Barry
Taft very well. And all of these really classic
5060 to 80 year olds, even parapsychologists who used to go
out really value the human experience.
Then it rolled into the TV generation, right?
Change the game with gear and you know, they're rolling in
with vans and Pelican cases and EMF meters and you know, Mel
meters and all these things. And now here we are today and
it's the social media game, right where we've got, you know,
it's just a different vibe, right?
You've and you've got a couple of seconds to get someone
interested in this genre and they have to find a unique way
to tell a story. And you're part of been a part
of all of it. Do you?
What do you think? Are you taking a piece from
each? Are you shaming?
Not shaming is a bad word, but are are there things that you
really are against? How do you combine these sort of
three educations that you are in to stay true to investigation?
I was always told to never quit my day job first and foremost,
which was a big piece of advice. Thank you, Lloyd.
True. And it's because, like, do you
want to be famous or you want to be taken seriously?
And I want to be taken seriously too, but still entertain in a
way where it's still respectful. I feel like I've always pivoted
in a way where it was ethical. And sometimes I will admit it
probably wasn't. And I called myself out on it.
And I'll still call myself out on it, you know?
And I think that's the thing, like now that we're seeing this
evolution of social media and AI, which is even more scary.
AI was definitely something I was warned about two years ago
at a convention by one of the producers and creators of Oh my
God, it was one of the big shows on Destination Unknown.
I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he was
like, I promise you guys, right now, AI is going to change not
only television and film, but also paranormal investigating
and ghost hunting. And he was looking back at that
now two years ago, he was correct.
And I think it's that question of like, is AIA big ethical tool
in our investigating or is it hurting our investigations?
I think, you know, a big part of that from what I've learned in
the very beginning is it's not, it's, it's doesn't hurt to
experiment and to create your own hypothesis of what works
well for you and what works well for your, you know, I guess
whatever, whatever evidence you collect for your own data and
your own sake. But I've always been told to, to
always keep it simple and keep it old school.
And that's what I try to do. I like that.
Through Hollyweird, you, you've really gone and investigated a
lot of places here and you link true crime to paranormal and in
a really unique way and finding those, those spots that are
maybe less known to most people, right?
We've all heard the big stories. What spot surprised you the
most? And I don't, and that doesn't
necessarily mean like scared you the most or freaked you out.
What was there any spot that was like, oh man, everyone's talking
about this and this shit is dead.
Like there's nothing here. Like it was what what really
what has turned you or what surprised you the most when you
went to a spot or you expected it to be scary and it wasn't or
vice versa. Oh my God, there.
Were several spots that I was like.
I was like. Wow, I could really take a nap.
Like unfortunately it was the Sally House in Atchison, KS.
It was the Sally House and I went in like kind of late in the
afternoon because you can rent it out.
You just pay the $10 and they give you the code through the
city and you could walk in and have at it in the place.
And I was there for a couple hours and nothing.
I almost fell asleep in the doll room.
I was having a little tee time and a Kiki with the haunted
dolls and nothing. There was nothing.
You know, I was like, OK, like I even had the mic going on in
certain rooms. Went back and listen, nothing.
And then I on my messages because I was like, guys, I
almost fell asleep in the Sally house.
This is considered one of the most haunted houses.
What the hell? And.
One of my listeners is like, hey, but go down the street to
1889 Mcinteer Villa and you're going to have a different vibe
over there. So I did, and I met Stephanie
O'Reilly, who's the owner. And it's an older house, the
same time period of when Atchinson was like up and
thriving in the 1800s. And it was a very, very creepy
house and very much off the beaten path because the Sally
House was getting all this like notoriety and popular popularity
online. And I was like, no, everybody's
been sleeping on this house. But that house that she has is
so creepy. There were 9 confirmed deaths.
There were full body apparitions that she showed me on her phone,
like full body creepy looking apparitions.
And there was a section, there was a point this has never
happened in an investigation, right?
And one of the most haunted places.
We were going into the basement and she was telling me that they
that this may have been an abortion clinic at one point.
And as she's talking the footage, my camera stopped and
my recorder stopped all at the same time.
And it, I, I was like, no, the batteries are fresh.
They're fully charged. This worked like a dream and a
breeze at the Sally House, but when we left the basement,
everything picked back up and it was just the oddest thing.
It's like every time she would talk about what happened in the
basement, things would just malfunction.
It was so odd. It's like, it's funny how?
Electrical. It's funny how electrical stuff
is that. I've had that.
I had that happen to me once in Hollywood forever.
I was telling John I was so pissed.
And he's like, get used to it, yeah.
It's like this. What happens?
I was so sad used. To it, I'm like, no one's going.
To believe me, no one's going to I had this and no one's going to
believe that when I caught because it died, I can't even
share this moment. Like you, you bring your.
You'd be surprised. How many?
You'd be surprised how many people would believe what just
the amount of. Stuff that.
Goes wrong while you're trying to do anything when it comes to
the paranormal, yes. Where does LA?
Stack up in in terms of haunted or do we win or what?
Oh my God, you guys. Absolutely.
Win. Yeah, LA wins.
Right. Absolutely win.
Yeah, I mean, there's LA, New Orleans, Savannah, and then even
like Illinois, Chicago's freaking haunted Chicago.
Weird. Yeah, you always forget you.
Always forget there's Chicago. You say Illinois, you're like,
what? And then you're like, all right,
there's Chicago. They got some good.
They got some good shit there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what's what's your favorite city then?
Is it LA or New Orleans? That's tough.
That's a good one. I.
I love New Orleans, I really do. I love yeah 'cause it's unique.
There's more character. To it more New Orleans has it
and. It's a lot older.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.
Got a good you're cities like New Orleans, San Francisco, like
they have a look and a whole like the energy changes just
because of the architecture in the scene, which is amazing.
You were consultant on Ghost Adventures.
Is that correct And. I tell us about that.
Experience so. In 2022 or 21, I, I was told by
my listeners and it was like a bunch of them messaging me via
Facebook and Instagram. Hey, I think Ghost Adventures is
copying off of you. It's funny how you would release
all these episodes of all these places that would no one has
ever heard about. And then it's funny that all of
a sudden Ghost Adventures made it an episode like a month later
And I, I was like, maybe it's coincidence.
They're like, I don't know, Tammy.
I, it's, it's very spot on because I stopped watching after
the 7th season And I would catch an episode here and there and
then they're like, Tammy promised me you watched the most
recent one. And I'm like, OK, watched it.
And I was like, legit every like it was, I'm, we made an episode
about this. It was there in order.
I'm like, I don't. No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not Ghost Adventures. Like we're just a little indie
podcast. A week later, the producer,
Justin, messaged me and he was like, hey, I'm from Ghost
Adventures and we need to talk. And I'm like, yeah, we have a
lot to talk about. Can you explain this?
You know, it was like, what's going on there?
Like, no, we've been watching you.
We've been hearing you, and we want you to to help us.
We want to consult. And I'm like, well, I want
credit, let's do it. And I want to be on the show.
Let's do it. So good for you.
Yeah. They got me on the show and they
realized, like, I'm not OK. There's weird, right?
There's like good weird. And then there's weird, like
weird. They're like, you're not one of
those people. They've dealt with those people.
And what they wanted was someone who had modified accounts they
could trust, someone that could bring trustworthy people to
interview who had, you know, a unique but honest experience at
these haunted locations, Good stories.
And I'm like, yeah, you want to talk to so.
And so I'm going to throw you their number.
I'm going to send you this person.
They're really great. They're normal.
So they're, you know, they they are familiar with the show, but
they're not like a crazy fan. And it's been a working
relationship for the past 2-3 years with them.
I've actually been on one episode, but recorded 3 or 4
with them. And recently, I think two months
ago, I finally got to investigate with them in
Hollywood at the Waddles Mansion.
So they were in a bind. They're like Tammy, we need
interviews, we need people. I'm like, did you ever had an
experience there? And I'm like, yeah, I had a very
weird experience walking my dog there, my first dog on the
property because it is a public park during the day.
And I kept on seeing a woman, like, I don't know, I felt a
very strong female presence. And I kept on looking at the
mansion. I could have sworn I, I saw a
woman in one of the windows. And they're like, great, you're
going to come in and record with Zach.
I'm like, what? So they send me all the
information. I went on set.
I met with Zach, I interviewed with him.
And when you interview with Zach, that means that he's most
likely going to send you in the basement with Aaron or Billy.
So I ended up going in the basement with Billy, and not
only did I conduct A paranormal investigation with Ghost
Adventures in a basement, I did part of it in Spanish.
So it was very unique. You guys are going to have to
watch the episode, but I was very happy for that moment
because you don't often see little brown girls investigating
with people that look like good for you man.
Yeah, that's, that's that first of all, that's absolutely
amazing. And, you know, and look, you
sort of segued into what I was about to ask you too, which is
about diversity in this genre. John and I have tried to make it
a real point to find disruptors and people who do that, you
know, from drag Queens to African Americans.
We want, you know, like we don't see a lot.
You know, we've had Tony on. I know she's trying to do Marie
Jackson on. I, I reach out to some people
just haven't agreed to come on yet.
But you know, I really want to find different faces and
different voices, not only for my own education in the space,
because I think I don't know how you can put a picture together
of what is a spirit without talking to people of all
different backgrounds. But also just because I'm sick
of the same guys in the black T-shirts then, you know, like
the old white guys doing it with their with their flat brim tats
and their barbed wire tattoos. It's like, you know, you and I
can't be friends. I've had enough of it.
So how how have you found this? I mean, one, it sounds like
pretty great that they called you and to do that and to break
that sort of ceiling for for it. But before that, did you find
people? Was it really difficult to be
taken seriously in the space because of your background,
because you're a woman and Hispanic and and all these
things like in the paranormal think it's always.
Going to be difficult. You know, I've, I always felt
that before and even still after, you know, I still feel
that because at the end of the day it's, it's always going to
be the predominantly this white male and the black shirt and the
shark tooth necklace screaming in the basement.
You know, it's going to be that YouTuber that people want to
follow and like, and it's always a man and that's just how it is.
It's just very male, heavily male dominated.
And there's always that joke of like, well, what about women?
You know, women are, you know, are also a great part of the
paranormal. They're always mediums.
And no, we're more than that. We could be researchers and
historians and also investigators too.
And it's like we can't be put in the box of just oh, for psychic
and mediumship abilities. No, I want to be put in a spot
where I could be a storyteller, A researcher and actually be in
a basement with Billy Tully, you know, hosting or helping, you
know, coordinate an investigation partially in
Spanish and in English. So it's, you know, that's
something, if I could try to make it a little nudge in that
barrier, I'm going to do that. Why'd you?
Have to why'd you do it in Spanish for that one, for that
case? So it was really.
Interesting because Billy had the spirit, he has this unique
spirit box that a lot of things were coming very clear and kind
of negative there. And we started getting responses
in Spanish and then I was responding automatically.
I was responding in in Spanish back so I could understand
because I was telling Billy, oh, that's Spanish, you know, and
let me respond in Spanish. So it was, it was like, OK, my
time to shine. And so you know, Adonis
Sanitario, OK, it's not here. What?
No, it was, it was very, it was, it was perfect.
It was perfect timing. Tammy, you seem to, I mean,
you're so for the fact I'm most impressed with how quickly you
can drop names and remember names and remember the history
of these locations, which is a skill in and of itself.
I could barely remember what happened to me last Tuesday.
But it's do you, do you study and factor in or consider the
religions of the area and from all the different cultures you
have, right? I mean.
Where? Does like Voodoo and Santeria
and these things play and I'm I'm don't make me roll my R in
Santeria, but it's like, what is it?
I'm not. Doing it what's, what is the, is
there a, is there a belief system in that or a
misconception in these things when you're on, when you're in,
in a, in a part of the country that might have practiced that?
And does that change what you're picking up and how the
investigation goes? Absolutely.
I, you know, growing up Catholic, that's all I had.
That was only my belief system, but I was a little more
different. I always felt well and also
educated like when I went to university, I I took classes on
different religions, different, you know, spiritualisms and I
have a really good girlfriend who I would love to put you in
connection to her name is Tanya Mercado.
Shout out to her. She is a practicing Santetta and
she's one of my really good friends and she's legit, you
know, a practicing Santetta. Her her mom are really up there.
They go to Cuba, they do the ceremonies, they do the Misas.
And the biggest misconception is that what people see in
Hollywood, it's the same as conception with voodoo.
And what a lot of people don't understand is that they're all
rooted in Catholicism. They're all parallel with that.
And with Santania, for example, they, they pray to Saints, they
pray to their ancestors and they pray to their spirit guides.
And that's the same thing with voodoo.
We always, I remember New Orleans dressing up in white and
going seeing, you know, the Saint Joseph's Day to paying
homage to the Saint Joseph and stuff and, you know, bringing
bread and money to the statue. So those are things that I
always find to be a big misconception.
But within those religions, there's also a misconception of
what we're actually dealing with, Christianity and
Catholicism. A ghost is a demon.
It's automatically a demon. What you're doing is evil.
Where in Santeria they don't believe in demons, they don't
believe in evil. There's dark and there's light
and that's it, which is very interesting, is very unique.
If you had. To pick a religion, what would
be the one that you would go with?
Oh my goodness, non denominational.
What's the most? Fun, honestly.
I really enjoy. I enjoy Scientology.
Oh my gosh, no. We'd all be super successful.
I'm just throwing it out there. Oh my God.
I feel like we'd be real successful if we went.
Down that road, I'm just throwing it out.
I we look, here's the thing. We were raised Catholic as well.
So it's like, you know, I'm just as likely to believe that
there's aliens as there, you know, as there are, you know,
people raise it from the dead. I mean, what's the difference?
I don't knock anybody for choosing what they choose.
Yeah, certainly, if it can help you pay the rent.
Get you? That starring role in the next
Tom Cruise film. I Want To people.
I mean, that's. I mean, I always tell people in
my. Investigations look, you know,
do whatever suits you in your belief in your religion.
If you feel like you need to say a Hail Mary or an our father
after in the investigation, then do it.
You know, whatever makes you feel safe.
Tammy, what's next for you? What's the?
Next project you have so many things.
It's it's pretty, I mean, you really do have so many things.
What's I'm really busy this summer and I'm a little what's
the. Priority first of all.
You know, what is that priority for you like that you're
focusing on, you know, what's paying the mortgage And then is
it costume design? That's the, is that the job?
Yeah, that's the job. Costume design.
But which I love. I think it's wildly creative.
But outside of it, I. Am also going to be working with
my community here in San Fernando.
I have a meeting next week with a very old home, one of the
oldest homes here, where it looks like I'm going to be
leading some haunted historical tours, and it looks like it's
definitely in the works. And then in June, I'll be
traveling back to Old Town Spring in Texas to lead another
event in one of the most haunted towns in Northwest Texas.
So yeah, so you get caught. So is this something, how does
that happen for you or they just know you by now, you've just
been around. They're like, this is the person
we need to walk us through this stuff because I find it right.
And then and how do you, how do you discern what you want to do
and which ones you want to take on?
Is it that I've never been there before?
Or you know what, what attracts you to a, a certain location for
you to want to investigate it? It's familiarity and.
You know this energetic pool, I guess you can say I don't know,
like I can't explain it, but I am since I'm originally from New
Orleans. I did grow up in in Texas, like
I'm New Orleans born and raised, but Texas seasoned and I lived
in Houston. Mesquite Mesquite grew a
Mesquite spice. But there's a point in time
where I went to high school in Houston and there was a town
called all town Spring where it was haunted.
We that was the lore and I have my parents that are still living
there and I would always go and visit them.
And this one visit last summer something told me get in the car
and just go visit. I don't know why I just need to
get out of the house and I needed to go to this town and
somehow the 1st place I parked my car in front of is a
botanica. It's a, it's a botanica and I go
in there and they led me to this boutique called the Dark Side of
Spring. And it's a paranormal boutique
and it's a couple that they host a lot of paranormal events.
And I got to talking with them. I did a video for them to help
promote their small businesses because I love doing that.
And it blew up. It blew up all over social
media. And they were able to get a lot
of business and that business cost them to get them another
golf cart to do golf cart tours. And then we did, you know, a
huge event with Adam Berry. And then it just like progressed
to now let's do an event in the summer.
Let's see what we can do. So I love it.
I love it. Where can people?
Find you. Where should they go?
Oh yeah, they should go in Instagram.
And Facebook Holly weird paranormal and I'm also on
TikTok under haunted LA girl Haunted LA girl.
And and let's not forget my my personal favorite is, is haunted
Threads. Yeah, it's on haunted thread.
You could. Find me on Instagram on haunted
thread and YouTube as well. That is my that truly is my
favorite I find. That one to be that, that to me
is really groundbreaking and I hope, I hope you stick with, I
hope you do more of it. I will.
I still have to continue with. The woman in black lore.
So the dress is built, we just have to find the actress to tell
more of the story. So Oh my God such a cool idea.
And the next. One such a cool idea.
I think the next one. Will be paying homage.
Homage to Mary Marie Laveau, so that'll be another one.
See, this shit's great. I love.
Like that, it's a really, I tell you, Tammy, it's really just a
great angle. And it's like, you know, the
fact that you can, you know, you it's just it's it's in your
blood. I mean, you know how to do it.
You know how to make it. You know how to present it.
You know the world. No one's do.
I've never seen it. I'm old.
Yeah, I've learned in. Entertainment.
You have to be a Swiss Army knife.
And in this niche of the paranormal, you got to be that
way, too. And, you know, it's more than
just picking up a camera and going into a haunted home.
You know, there's so much you can do.
And I see that, like, with what you guys do.
I see that with John and Santa. Paranormal, like it goes.
And he cleans graves and he keeps the voice box going and
he, you know, he's conversing like it's crazy.
Yeah. He's having his own Kiki.
With the ghosts. He's a witch.
He's a witch dude. He's a total.
Witch, by the way, but it's it's that that witchy sauce.
You know, he does have that witchy sauce.
Tammy, thank you so much for for joining us today on our live.
Yeah, thank you. And you got a giant following.
On TikTok. You're like almost got a million
followers on there yourself. You're no slouch.
That took a while. You're no slouch.
And you're so good at this. You really are.
I really love it. And I, like I said, Holly, weird
paranormal, haunted threads, haunted LA girl, we're going to
put chyrons up for all this stuff.
There will be a, there will be a link to Tammy in the link tree
in my bio after this airs too, as you can find her.
Tammy, thank you so much. I can't thank you guys.
Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your day, we
will talk soon. Me too.
Bye man. She was a lot of fun, yeah.
That that whole. Threads thing is a great idea.
I mean, there's so much can be done with that just from 1, you
know, article. I know, I tell you, you think
about John. Let's take a minute for the
whiners and the threads who didn't get our attention.
I don't know if you saw those guys.
I've been oh, I've been talking to everybody in the chat.
The. Entire time somebody was like,
why are they talking about? It that's the thing, I'm
literally knee deep in. This chat the from start to
finish have been here in the YouTube chat chatting with
everybody during the whole interview you know and and I hi
everybody, hi and but listen and honestly.
Like, how cool is that? The haunted threads thing, Have
you ever seen anyone really? She's got a skill.
She's a costume designer. She's telling these great
stories. You know, it's funny because.
There are. Everywhere you go, right you.
Can find places where people have articles of clothing on
display and claim they're haunted, right everywhere you
go. The problem is with it is that a
lot of the times it's too gimmicky.
It's very gimmicky. It's like, oh, we found a
mannequin. Let's just throw it in this room
that has nothing to do with anything and put a dress in
there and say hey, this is you know, whatever.
It's a trigger object and it's like, all right, well, what
what's it supposed to be triggering if it has no context,
right? That what she's doing is a
completely different thing. It's more than just more than
just a trigger object. I wouldn't even consider it a a
trigger object. It's, it's a part of it.
It's like a. Part of history.
Pop culture and craftsmanship, and there's just like, forget
there's so. Many layers, by the way, take.
Paranormal out of it for a second it's.
Still super cool that like I like Craftsman, right?
People who create like she, she's a Craftsman.
She's making this stuff and then she's tying it in and she's a,
she is knowledge eligible enough and experienced enough to
properly tie it in and give you the story.
I mean, that's what's real. Like it's credible.
That's the word I'm looking for. That's a long way to say the
word credible. Anyway, she's great.
She's a, she's a real, she's a real good resource and a really
good, just a real talent in the space.
I'm glad we, I'm glad she came. She came on.
Yeah. All right, guys, You guys have
any questions? What about you guys?
Any questions for John and myself?
Do you want to see the big antenna again?
Look at this, it doesn't even fit on the screen.
It's so big. That's that's what she.
Said that's pretty. Big you need a you.
Need a panned out? Shot for the whole thing, you
know, I know you got to get a wide wide.
Lens wide lens, you have size comparison.
Did everybody watch the Nick Groff episode Speaking of Ghost
adventures this week, I hope everybody did.
If you didn't, you're missing out.
Thanks. Listen and I got I.
Got to say this too, she handled that way better than I would
have handled it. Like, I'm sorry, if I'm doing
something and I catch when that a Enterprise such as Ghost
Adventures is literally mimicking the episode per
episode when their producer contacted me, it would be more
like, you'll put your mouth around it, OK?
Like, oh, I'm serious, I'm serious.
Like she handled that way better.
Well, she's smart, she's smart and she took, you know, she went
down the business Rd. like, yeah, yeah, let's talk, let's
give me credit and let's get me on air.
Yeah, that's I would have been like.
Spelled screw all that, you know, but you know, you never
know too. It's like, you know, with these.
Shows and and she has a fairly big like I she said this is
well, this is fairly recent a few years.
She's got a big following. So if that that kind of feedback
online, like if someone did it to you, you're going to know
about it and it's going to get a, it's going to get some pretty
bad feedback for the show, right?
If all of a sudden you start seeing guys cleaning headstones,
the it's obvious, you know what I mean, that they're copying
from it. So and it's going to be a, it's
going to be a shitstorm online for them, right?
So they're that's right. They they probably, you know,
she was probably when her podcast was just starting and
whatnot and yeah, yeah. That's interesting though.
Yeah, she handled a lot better nuts, you know?
Yeah, she's really. Cool.
All right. I don't see a lot of questions.
Listen, I gave, I gave all you whiners an opportunity to ask
questions, and no one's asking the goddamn thing, so I never
want to hear you again. Say, why isn't anybody even
talking in the chat? The chat.
Oh my God. Why aren't we talking in the
chat? Well, listen, I was in this chat
the entire. Time literally comment and
talking to everybody saying hello, getting getting them
engaged. What up?
Jolly good to see you there. Think I don't know if he's still
there. He was watching IIG.
Yeah, I can only see the. Jolly from.
Soco Paranormal. I can only see the white T chat,
I can't see anything. Else no no, I'm looking.
I got 3 screens. I got a big ass.
In front of me so it's like my eyes are always wandering.
What up player? Thank you.
Jackie for we try to get some good people on here we're
getting big look, the only reason we're able to get bigger
and better guests is because of you guys hit that hype button
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That feeds it, that feeds the beast.
That just helps us man. The.
More likes the more. People know about it.
The more people who subscribe that we can get better guests.
That's just how it's going to go.
You know, whether they like John and I or not, they'll come on
because they know that you got you guys are there to see them.
Yeah. Yeah, it's true.
What else? Anybody.
I don't know. Going once, going twice, going
twice. John Soul to the silence in the
back. Jackie Blue Gary, do you believe
in? The afterlife I don't believe
in. Do you have to define afterlife?
Here's one thing I've learned, Jackie.
Here's one thing I've learned from doing this.
If you're going to ask me, do I believe in ghosts?
Do I believe in the afterlife? You have to tell me what you
define a ghost as, and I will tell you if I believe in that or
not because the definition is too broad.
So if you're saying, do I believe in an afterlife, like,
are we going to go to like, a heaven with, like, angels and
like, you know, the Backstreet Boys are going to be singing?
The answer is no, everybody. I don't think that's.
There's that. But if you're a sense of it, you
know, I, I think that when we go, we're as dead as Dillinger.
Now, whether there is that energy of mine somehow sticks to
something, that's what we're trying to figure out here.
That's what we're trying to we're experiencing here or we've
have experienced these things. Maybe that's the thing.
I don't know. But again, don't ask me whether
I believe in a ghost or not until you tell me.
Like I think a ghost is this. Do you believe in the same
thing? Then I'll tell you what I think.
Does that make sense? Does that make sense, John?
I think that's fair. Yeah.
Right. Because.
So. Many people as as Tammy said so.
Many people have a different definition of that they have
different definitions for other definitions of.
Things and different words you know like it's just the way it
is everybody it's it's it's interesting paranormal is
interesting it's French science so anybody can call anything
that's going on anything they want right you know so don't
worry Jackie you're going to be just fine don't worry about the.
Afterlife. Too much.
Yeah, Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
Live. Live.
Live as a good person. As much as you can.
And then just don't worry about what's going to happen
afterwards. Yeah, odds are it's not going to
be a problem. You know, it's like, let's be
real. It's not going to be a problem
If you live a good life. It's true.
All right, Gary, this is fun. Great guest.
All right, guys. Thank.
You, all of you on Facebook. I see you.
Here in the chat too. We had a couple of bodies there.
Greg. Cool.
Kim, Melissa. I appreciate you, Teresa.
Thank you guys and all you guys on IG.
Thank you. Yeah, after Cripple Creek, yeah,
that's. Right.
Well, we're we're going to. Get into Cripple, Cripple Creek.
I'm going to a Paracon in Colorado, dude.
It's going to be fanatic, but we're going to talk about that
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