1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 I used to go in raw as I was told by. 2 00:00:02,280 --> 00:00:05,120 What does that mean? That's the way to do it. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:21,320 I go in hard and raw. Hey everybody, do us a quick 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,080 favour and hit follow and smash that like or subscribe button 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:25,640 wherever you're listening right now. 6 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:29,200 It'll help us keep getting great guests and make it so you don't 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,960 miss the next episode. Now on with the show. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Splintered Spirits. 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,280 Hello, hello, hello everyone. All right. 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,520 As you as you funnel in and you're seeing. 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,840 It's just getting started. So if you're just tuning in with 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,240 us today, let's see. Well, first of all, there's 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,800 nobody here. Let's just wait till some bodies 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,280 get in. There's a couple of people on in 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,760 on IG. Welcome IG. 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,200 What's up guys? Hopefully you can hear us OK. 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,680 If you can't hear me or John, put it in the chat. 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,400 I can't hear you. Something's going to start 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,120 trolling. I know. 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,760 Yeah, I know. I guess that's true, right? 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,760 People just start trolling you and doing it. 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Well, that's one of my favorite things when I'm live and 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,400 somebody's internet's acting up and they make the biggest deal 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,720 that I'm lagging, right? And then everyone else is like, 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,160 I'm not lagging. I'm not lagging, I'm not 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,960 lagging. But then you never know because 27 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,160 then everybody could be lagging, right? 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,720 So, well, I usually wait for multiple people to say it before 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,320 I'm like, all right, you got a problem. 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Right. Well, hopefully, you know, 31 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,840 there's always a little bit of a lag, you know, with these lives, 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:52,920 but guys again or you know, hopefully, oh, you know what I'm 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,160 not going to be able to see the YouTube chat I got to do all 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,040 right, I'll. Pull it up. 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,520 I'll pull it up on my phone. I got to do something different 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,400 to see it. See here, YouTube. 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,479 I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you, YouTube. 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,760 There we go there we go now I could say I got to hold it up so 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,640 all right welcome everyone now I see people there they're people 40 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:24,160 we had Heather was the first one in on YouTube. 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,920 So guys, we're doing things different today and you might 42 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:28,600 notice that we're. This looks great. 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,480 We're vertical. We're. 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,880 This looks great by the way. I'm looking at it right now on 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,520 the YT's. On the YT's that looks great. 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,880 Good. So guys, we are, we're vertical 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,200 today and why are we vertical? You might be asking yourself why 48 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:49,840 guys, why'd you go vertical? Well, the truth is it seems that 49 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,280 for on the YT that might actually help send this out to 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,360 more people. Now when we re drop the episode, 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,560 you are going to see it like we normally do or if you're joining 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,800 us on Facebook, it's should be in its regular position. 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,520 But this is how we're going to do the lives in this format for 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,680 hopefully a better fitting setup. 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 And anyway, dude, we're starting we're good. 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,960 John, how you doing? I'm. 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Good. How are you? 58 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,600 I'm doing all right. Welcome to Splinter Spirits, 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,600 everybody in the podcast where we asked that vital question, 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,400 what are spirits? We have a guest today. 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,360 She's in our lobby. We'll join. 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,720 We'll bring her in shortly. But I wanted to show you 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,560 something real quick that you might get a kick out of. 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,640 So, and I posted this earlier, but so you know, John, this is 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,320 the antenna. Can you see this? 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,680 This is the antenna that comes with. 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,360 With the SP7, Yep. The SP7, do you see this thing 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,520 right? So I modded my SP7 right because 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,120 this just wasn't getting just wasn't picking up the dead dude 70 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,320 just wasn't doing it. So I so I I modified it from 71 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,800 this antenna to this one. Oh, that's much better. 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Right, It looks pretty good, right. 73 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,400 But then John, I felt, I don't know if it's good enough. 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:19,839 So then I got. That's a big boy. 75 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,320 It's. Like, dude, if I can't get the 76 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,960 dead with this, I mean, I should be able to talk to your God now, 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,560 yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's 78 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,240 definitely this guy. Daddy should be calling. 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,720 He should be calling me through through the ghost fire. 80 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Fire. Anyway, that's kind of the 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,320 latest. That's the latest. 82 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,320 I've been digging around with that. 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,840 Let me tell you about our guest today. 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,640 You guys want to hear who it is? Anyone. 85 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Did anyone? Is anybody following us? 86 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,400 You may already know because I posted about it. 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,000 I don't know, Gary, when when you were strips in that antenna 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,320 because I I it's delayed on the Y TS and I have it up here. 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,680 It literally looked like you were about to like, you know, 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,280 like a teacher with a ruler, you know? 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,120 Come here, ghosties. Right. 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,600 People are probably like the guy everybody turned on. 93 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, dude, bigger is 94 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,440 better when you're dealing with ghost communication. 95 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,280 I guess so. All right, so let me tell you 96 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,360 about our guest today, Tammy Chavez. 97 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,560 Tammy Chavez is Ala based paranormal investigator, podcast 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,880 host, costume designer and content creator. 99 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,280 Let me shut off that AC so it doesn't sound like a big noise 100 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:35,480 here. She Co created some content in a 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,880 in a podcast called Hollyweird Paranormal in 2017 alongside her 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Co host Bryce Mitchell Williams on They do they it's a kind of a 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,880 thing between ghost stories around their workplace and an 104 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,680 acting school in Hollywood. That's kind of where it 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,080 originated and where they saw stuff and they combined it with 106 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,200 like like all LA lore and sort of true crime and things about 107 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,360 that. And you know a lot about the LA 108 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,680 stories from the Black Dahlia stuff and all these things. 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,200 And then they found all these others, all these other things 110 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,400 and it really built a built a thing about it. 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,960 She has another brand called Haunted Threads because and it 112 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 blends her costume design profession with the paranormal. 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,120 As her tagline puts it, every stitch has a ghost story, which 114 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,960 I enjoy because that's what she does. 115 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,640 She grew up in New Orleans, so she's got all that going on. 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,280 She knows a lot. She's like a historian. 117 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:24,360 She she's a student at the Rhine Institute. 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,920 She was a consultant on ghost inventors. 119 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Tammy's been around. She's a friend to a lot of other 120 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,280 people we have. So I'm going to bring her in and 121 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:40,320 I want to get into it with her about what she's experienced, 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:47,440 certainly in LA and beyond. Guys, please give a big splinter 123 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,880 spirits. Welcome to our friend and 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,880 hopefully yours, Tammy Chavez. Hi, welcome. 125 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Hello. Hello. 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Hi. Thank you for having me you 127 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,000 guys. Hi, you're very welcome. 128 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Tammy, thank you so much for joining us on Splinter Spirits 129 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,280 today. Thank you for having me. 130 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,360 I have so many questions for you. 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,800 I don't know, Let's see where I want to start because you've got 132 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,280 a great background, got a great. So shoot. 133 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Away. Are you writing? 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,800 I don't know, but let's, let's give it a shot. 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,880 So you grew up in New Orleans, right? 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Yes, I did. OK. 137 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,360 And you have a Honduran and Lebanese back story. 138 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Yeah, my mom is a Honduran and my dad is from Lebanon. 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,720 All right, so these are a lot of cultures you grew up in. 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,160 You grew up in a real melting pot of folklore. 141 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,000 Yes. Correct. 142 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,840 So how did that those cultural traditions shape your 143 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,240 understanding of the paranormal before you ever picked up a 144 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,960 ghost hunting device? Immensely, you know, I got to, I 145 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,080 guess, have a a moosh moosh of every single culture and 146 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,000 especially the culture in New Orleans. 147 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,720 It really shaped me in a way of like understanding different 148 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,880 religions and different beliefs and the different understanding 149 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,680 of what a ghost or this phenomenon is. 150 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,080 And of course, like with my mom being raised as a Catholic, it's 151 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,240 always a demon. It's something evil, something 152 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,080 we don't talk about in New Orleans. 153 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,480 It's probably the Rougarou, which is like, you know, the 154 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,520 swamp, a werewolf, or you know, it's. 155 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Wait, what'd you say? What's that called? 156 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,800 It's called the Rougarou. The Rougarou. 157 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Yeah, it's a small werewolf and it's one of our cryptids. 158 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,000 So that is a lure that I grew up learning about when I was 159 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,200 growing up in New Orleans and with my dad. 160 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,600 Not really much, except that my dad in Lebanon grew up on a 161 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,559 very, very old farmhouse that was passed down for many 162 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,320 generations. I'm talking about like 163 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Bismetanian times. Like it's, it's been in the 164 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,880 family for hundreds of years. And allegedly we have a house 165 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,280 sitter this this caretaker who takes care of it and has claimed 166 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,000 that he has seen ghosts of warriors, like soldiers from the 167 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,320 Besopotamian War. And growing up as a child, my 168 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,320 dad would find like pieces of armor, weapons, Arrowhead 169 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,680 swords, even bones of horses. And he told me a story of how 170 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,800 one night the caretaker woke up and he saw an apparition of a 171 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,400 soldier dressed in a tunic, sandals, had a sword. 172 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,560 And he said the guy said he he thought it was a robber, but he 173 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:27,480 could see right through him. He wasn't dressed of the time 174 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,160 period. And when he saw him and the 175 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,080 sword, he pissed in his pants and turned on the light and the 176 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,200 guy disappeared. But growing up, my dad said 177 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,400 there were a lot of unusual things that they would see in 178 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,840 the night around the house and also in the skies too. 179 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,920 So it was very unique growing up in those parts, especially in 180 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,080 the country, in Lebanon. So, but Tammy, was there a 181 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,360 moment that you can point to specifically where because you 182 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,240 know, when you're a kid, you kind of go off of what your 183 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,480 parents are saying, You know, you're going off with the people 184 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,440 And can you point to a time when you're like, wait a minute, this 185 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,640 doesn't seem right, but I know there's something there. 186 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,960 Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. 187 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Like, just I guess when I was growing up in New Orleans and 188 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,280 taking a field trip down Saint Charles and then talking about 189 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,680 the different types of houses that had ghosts, how old I was. 190 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:20,160 Like, what do you mean, like the houses that had ghosts? 191 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,720 Like this was like kind of like my awakening to the word ghost 192 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,480 and hauntings. How old? 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,520 Were you? I wasn't want to say like almost 194 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,320 eight or nine, OK. And yeah. 195 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,600 And I want to say around 8 or 9 is when I started really hearing 196 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,160 about these stories and how I was introduced to all sorts of 197 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,960 lures in New Orleans, specifically these haunted 198 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,960 houses off of Saint Charles and this new word of ghosts and 199 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,000 hauntings that I was hearing about. 200 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,240 And hearing the teacher and the guy talk to us of like these 201 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,920 apparitions and how they appear to us. 202 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,840 You know, the living was really, really scary. 203 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,080 And of course, like it. I, you know, feared it growing 204 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,600 up until I ended up working in the theaters there in college. 205 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Then I had a kind of a different shift in understanding what I 206 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,200 was really dealing with. So did that What? 207 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,240 At what point did that fascination? 208 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,320 Was it college like you just said? 209 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,560 Was it? That's where it's like, I'm 210 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,600 going to make this and I really got to dig into this. 211 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,440 Yeah, college was like kind of like almost like almost a 212 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,880 rebirth because I saw my first apparition when I was working in 213 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,120 a haunted theater in New Orleans and I was working in costumes 214 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,520 and I saw a full body apparition of a lighting designer that had 215 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,360 passed away like years ago. And a lot of people claim, like, 216 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,160 he still comes to work and he watches over the theater. 217 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,280 And I remember seeing him in his theater. 218 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Blacks, black hair, black mustache. 219 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,640 And everybody's like, yeah, that's Bob. 220 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,040 That is our old lighting designer. 221 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,360 And I was like, what? So ever since then it's been 222 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,120 like this little bread crumbs, especially working in 223 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,080 entertainment and working in a lot of these old haunted 224 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,680 theaters and film sets that I started to experience. 225 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,920 And slowly, you know, kind of like have this mind shift of 226 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,240 what is the paranormal. And thus my journey really 227 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,440 started to begin right there. Now you're, you're a Seminole, 228 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,880 right? You went to Florida State. 229 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Oh. Yeah, I went to Florida State 230 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,760 for grad school and I am part of a Wolfpack from my undergrad. 231 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,200 Yeah, from Florida, New Orleans, Yeah. 232 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,720 All right, listen, I love New Orleans. 233 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,320 I mean, it's it's I used to go there every year. 234 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,280 I was a jazz fest guy. I would go my bachelor party was 235 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,360 out there. I mean, I love, I absolutely 236 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,000 love that city and everything about it And, and it's got 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,040 character and I know, and it just feel like you can feel it. 238 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Yeah, growing up you. Find there isn't. 239 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,680 You know that intensity, right? Yeah. 240 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,840 So now you're in college, you have this awakening. 241 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,480 You start to get into it. You see this theater goes. 242 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,600 But then you When did you pack your bags up and move out here 243 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,600 to LA? I moved in 2009 and started 244 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,080 working with a lot of musicians, and I'm talking like rock bands 245 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,080 and I started like styling and working in costumes and wigs for 246 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,240 their shows. So I'm like, my first gig was, 247 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,960 Oh my God, was Jane's Addiction their 2009 Lollapalooza tour. 248 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,240 So they needed rigs for their backup dancers. 249 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,720 And I was certainly like, I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm definitely 250 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,840 destined to do that. And of course, like we meet up 251 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,240 at this old studios in Hollywood. 252 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,560 I remember like, Perry Pharrell even bringing up like a story, 253 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,320 like, I wonder if this place is haunted. 254 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,680 And his bass player was like, yeah, you know, I wonder, you 255 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:28,320 know, if there's a ghost somewhere. 256 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,600 It feels like, if it has this weird feeling, man. 257 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,200 And they are talking about like the dark energies in and around 258 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Hollywood, which was really unique. 259 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Musicians and theaters is a very strange spot for how you 260 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,440 experience this. OK, so you're in there, you're 261 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,320 doing this stuff with rock bands and it's it's all it's still 262 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,080 it's still happening with you, right? 263 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,840 This experience, this getting, you know, seeing these spirits, 264 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,120 seeing these things. What was your first time going 265 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,160 on a real like investigation out here? 266 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 A real investigation happened when I started my podcast to 267 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Polly Weird Paranormal and the first location I went to was the 268 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,800 David Omen house off of Cielo Drive. 269 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,320 Yeah, sure. I just did, Tammy. 270 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,520 I just did an interview with David. 271 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,240 I just sat down. An old acquaintance. 272 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,000 Let me tell you, I told John. John hasn't seen the footage 273 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,960 yet. I just, I'm still putting 274 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,320 together. It's like, it's the bizarro. 275 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,200 It's like going to be like a bizarro episode of Cribs I. 276 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Believe that. Did you guys have the BBQ? 277 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Did he cook you Barbie? No, no, no, no. 278 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,680 I just listen. First of all, you got to 279 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,720 understand I'm not an investigator. 280 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,600 I taste the best, I'm sorry. Yeah, dude, could you imagine if 281 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,560 like, then there's no way. So I mean, I'm not an 282 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,120 investigator. I'm like, I'm out there trying 283 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,920 to learn about this stuff legitimately, right? 284 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,800 So I'm not saying that he took me into that dirt room under the 285 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,400 house. And I'm like, listen, I'm 286 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,920 getting the I'm getting the fuck out of here. 287 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,280 You know, it's like, you know, he says, yeah, there's a Native 288 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,680 American buried under here. I'm like, yeah, OK, I'm gone. 289 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,600 I'll see you outside. Let's we stand outside with. 290 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,240 These people, but public listen, that's the first thing you do 291 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,800 when you invite someone to your house. 292 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,600 You got to show them the dirt room in the basement. 293 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Exactly. Well, John, you got to 294 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,320 understand, right, so that his house, the Omen house is in 295 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Cielo Dr. is it's all built on a hill. 296 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 So the house is out here built into the hills. 297 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,120 So those bottom floors are literally in the dirt and some 298 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,880 dirt not finished. And you know, it's just anyway. 299 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,680 So all right, so that's really that's your first thing is that 300 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,200 what a first way in man, that's like a trial by fire. 301 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,720 I know that was ripping the Band-Aid right there in house. 302 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Did anything happen when you were? 303 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,800 There I continued to investigate the house for the next two to 304 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,120 three years. You know, we became good friends 305 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,640 and he always invited me over and had a lot of weird 306 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,240 experiences there. So you did so and did you have 307 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,560 an experience your first time there? 308 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Yes, actually I did. I remember I don't think it was 309 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,480 connected to the house. I think the house actually like 310 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,680 manifests, even things that are attached to you. 311 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,200 But we were in the earth and wall room with a woman. 312 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,040 I was with the this woman very nice was sitting down and she 313 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,320 was sitting in this room by herself as I entered and I was 314 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,640 like, hi, I'm just going to sit next to you really nice. 315 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,920 And then all of a sudden I see this big ball of light, like 316 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,880 float from her into into the earth, I guess, like that little 317 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Ridge right there in that room. And I looked at her as like, did 318 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,840 did you just see that? And she's like, yeah, that's my 319 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,400 mom. I'm like, what? 320 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,880 She's like, my mom just passed away a month ago. 321 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 And I know that she's always around and she's been very 322 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,160 active ever since I set foot in displays. 323 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,560 And I remember David, of course, I'm sure you experienced this 324 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,160 when you're alone. You're really not alone in his 325 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,880 house because he gets on the intercom and he's like, I saw 326 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,480 that too. I saw that ball. 327 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,440 He has his cameras on and everything, but he hopped on the 328 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,160 intercom. He's like, I have the footage. 329 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,040 I saw that ball of light too. So it was really unique and 330 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,920 weird. And he even mentions like this 331 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,840 house like manifests things that have attachment or are attached 332 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,400 to you, which is really interesting. 333 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,680 I'll have to get that footage from him because. 334 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Yeah. And he's, he was with me. 335 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,560 So it was like an interview as we walked through the house, 336 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,800 right. And, and so he wasn't, but John, 337 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,040 he's got cameras at, he's got like 50 cameras for. 338 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,359 Freeway to try to constantly. Catch and stuff which is you 339 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,720 know it I mean it's a whole other thing right yes all right 340 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:23,000 so where do I go with I mean you have you have you cover so much 341 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,079 Tammy which is right fascinating and I and I got to tell you I 342 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,120 love the latest thing you're doing the haunted threads and I 343 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,640 say latest because I just discovered that how long how 344 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,920 long is that has that been going on for about a year it's. 345 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,640 Been going on for a year. It's been on a hiatus because I 346 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,080 do during the day. I am a costume designer and 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,360 costume manager at a university here in California. 348 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:50,240 So we had a busy season and now I'm about to pick it back up 349 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,120 very soon. So yeah, I just wanted to merge 350 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:56,880 2 of my passions, which was like ghost stories and investigating 351 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,240 and storytelling and intertwine that with costume construction. 352 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Would it would, what would it look like if I were to build a 353 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,280 costume for a famous ghost that was part of a, a ghost story 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,360 that we've all heard? So first one was my first 355 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,360 investigation at the Omen house. And that was my dress that I 356 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:19,280 constructed for Sharon Tate. And I found a actress in the 357 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,720 theater department who was like perfect. 358 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,040 She, I had a wig made for her. We had her all foot fitted and 359 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,760 everything. And you see it on the pictures 360 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,480 in the video, like she really got into the character. 361 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,400 She really looked like her in certain angles and everything. 362 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,520 And with the dress and the hair, it was just, it was all perfect. 363 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:38,640 That's. Crazy. 364 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,360 It's that's it's so unique. Yes, yes, it's so unique. 365 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,800 I was just about. To say that so unique. 366 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Who else is? I've never done. 367 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,400 I've never heard anybody do anything like that. 368 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:49,960 Right. Really. 369 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,320 Really use. Her skill set and tie it into 370 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,200 her passion, right? Yeah. 371 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,360 Yeah, it's so unique, so awesome It it makes. 372 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,640 It it makes so much sense now. Have you discovered anything 373 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,800 from in this space of, of haunted threats? 374 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Like do you, do you ever handle garments and experience that? 375 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,800 I mean, I'm, I'm assuming you're dealing with a lot of like 376 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,000 Hollywood warehouses and things like that. 377 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 And they said, so walk me through that. 378 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,640 What kind, what kind of vibes did you get in these places? 379 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,200 And to, to come up with that stuff, you know, and why and why 380 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,720 and more importantly, why do you think there is an, an attachment 381 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,440 to these, these articles of clothing or these things? 382 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Well, A. Costume is the blueprint of a 383 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,440 character and a lot of times those costumes are so loved by 384 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,040 the people that are wearing them. 385 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,640 Some and a lot of those costumes were built to to their 386 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,800 measurements. It was built to their bodies and 387 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,920 even suits that were tailored. And I go into a lot of these 388 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,520 warehouses and you could feel a lot of that energy permeate from 389 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,440 accessories and garments. You know, if you think about it, 390 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,760 a lot of these performers, these actors on stage and film, they 391 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,200 are really going into it like they're feeling all the emotion, 392 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,800 the trauma, the love, the happiness of their character. 393 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,680 And that's all being absorbed in the fiber of, you know, a 394 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,520 garment. And that stays within the 395 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320 garment until it's taken off. Like their blood, sweat and 396 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,040 tears are literally on there as well as the whoever made it or 397 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,200 tailored it. And I I would say like and I 398 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,680 was. Even told by people that I've 399 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,360 worked with on film sets and by one of the costume union girls, 400 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,520 like, oh, if you go to the Sony studio, Oh no Warner Brothers, 401 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,440 Oh no Paramount, their costume shop is crazy haunted. 402 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,520 They have stories it for days. And like this is literally like 403 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,120 content that I could literally just go in there and interview 404 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,200 every single person. And I have a year's worth of 405 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,000 content for my podcast of just experiences of people handling 406 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,160 costume. And even like the most recent 407 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,440 video I posted of the suit, like I bought this vintage suit from 408 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:05,560 a vintage shop off of Magnolia Blvd. in Burbank or Horror Row. 409 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,000 And the suit came with something because weird things started 410 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,480 happening in the shop that never happened until I bought the 411 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,560 suit. And when we had this actress 412 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,520 come in to be fitted, I didn't know she was a medium. 413 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,320 I didn't know she had abilities. And she literally called it out. 414 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,080 She's like, you have a man here. I'm like, no, I don't. 415 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Just like, no, I hear, I'm hearing a man shuffling through 416 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,360 your racks of costumes and I'm seeing him in my mind. 417 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,000 He's looking for a suit. I keep on hearing, where's my 418 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,560 suit? And I'm just like, mouth agape, 419 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,120 all my pins and needles on the floor at this point. 420 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,240 And I said, yeah, I bought a suit. 421 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,760 And she's like, yeah, I keep on hearing Chester. 422 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,080 And I'm like, you're not going to believe it. 423 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Inside the suit are his initials. 424 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,000 It's like CMK Chester. So I was like, no way. 425 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,240 And I'm like, well, can you please tell him to stop making a 426 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,360 mess out of my aisles? Cause for the past week, every 427 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,720 time I come in, there's suits on the floor and I'm yelling at my 428 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,680 work studies like, hey, what's going on? 429 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,320 Why are you guys leaving a mess? And they're like, we didn't do 430 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,640 anything. We wouldn't create more work and 431 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,200 we know better. So I'm like, well, who's leaving 432 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,520 all this mess on the floor? So it was him. 433 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,480 And she was like, you need to go in there in the, you know, after 434 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560 closing, just you and him have it, have a little talk, have a 435 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,240 little Kiki and just tell him politely to stop doing it and 436 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,280 why you need the suit and to tell him that you're going to 437 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,240 take care of the suit, which I did and it stopped. 438 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,200 So ever since then, like I would always come in and greet him and 439 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,760 say goodbye to him. And every now and then I would 440 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,360 hear like someone every now and then, not all the time, but I 441 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,600 would hear someone kind of rummaging through the suit 442 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,720 aisle. You know, it was really 443 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,360 interesting. So this is. 444 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,120 Here's something you said that's interesting. 445 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,840 It's that, you know when you started the story here about 446 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,880 people, it's their blood, sweat and tears. 447 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,880 It's just love for character. And they leave this on the 448 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,120 garment, right? So I mean, it's sort of our core 449 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,400 question here. It's, you know, Tammy, what do 450 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,760 you think a spirit is, then? If in that moment they're 451 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,840 leaving it on their costumes or in their garments? 452 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,760 What, what is it? What do you think a spirit is? 453 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Oh my God, that. Is always the $1,000,000 454 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,720 question and I love asking this question too on my podcast. 455 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520 We're never going to have the full answer. 456 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,800 I think a spirit or a ghost could be many things I've been, 457 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,440 I've even have seen and heard debates of like, no, it's a 458 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,560 ghost. No, it's a spirit. 459 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,400 It's a spirit because it used to belong to a person. 460 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,360 And a ghost is just, you know, a demon or whatever. 461 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,840 But I think you know, you know, in my opinion, and this is just 462 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,800 from my journey, you know, it has evolved that it could be 463 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,240 many things. It could be a memory, it could 464 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,640 be a replay or residual. It could be, you know, 465 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,840 geomagnetism. It could be a discarded agent, 466 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,400 someone, something that belonged, a soul that belonged 467 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,080 to a living person. And what does that mean? 468 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Wait. Wait, what does that mean? 469 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,440 A discarded. Agent, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 470 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,400 Just a soul or, you know, a spiritual being, a spirit from, 471 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,320 you know, a person that once lived. 472 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,920 And it's just. Oh, I see. 473 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,960 I yeah, sorry. I thought you meant it was like 474 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,400 something attached to someone, like, like someone's carrying 475 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,480 around a second thing, Like there's they're OK. 476 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,960 OK, I see what you're saying. It could be so many things and I 477 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 feel like we are never going to have that truth because 478 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,360 whatever's out there really doesn't want us to know until we 479 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,280 cross that threshold ourselves. And I think we can have all the 480 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,960 evidence in the world, but I don't think we'll ever have that 481 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,840 proof. And that is the biggest 482 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,120 difference is that proof and evidence. 483 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,600 But what do you believe with? All of your backgrounds you 484 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,640 believe in, you know, where do you lean? 485 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,120 Are you in sort of a more religious side of things like 486 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:53,960 Catholicism or you know, No, very. 487 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Spiritual. No, very spiritual. 488 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,400 I'm more of like it could be anything I feel. 489 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,920 I look at the paranormal and everything like an octopus and 490 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960 it's tentacles. Polls just represent everything. 491 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,360 Because if you think about it like, what is a ghost? 492 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,080 Well, it's a part of the paranormal community. 493 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,160 There's ghosts that we have to label something that just makes 494 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,520 sense because we can't describe what's happening with this 495 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,280 phenomenon. Or is it a Cryptid? 496 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,320 Or is it a demon? Or is it a poltergeist? 497 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,640 Or is it an alien? Or is it my favorite parallel 498 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,160 dimensions? I love that, you know, like 499 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,960 John. John, you're a. 500 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Big paranoid dimension guy I love. 501 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,760 That and the stories I've heard, you know, of like people seeing 502 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040 their younger selves as their older selves. 503 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,360 It's crazy, It's mind boggling. And have you ever experienced? 504 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,200 That no I. Haven't. 505 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,560 I wish I can't because that would be very unique, you know? 506 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,320 And I've heard different types of stories like that that have 507 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,440 truly changed the trajectory of how I I view a haunting and a 508 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,480 ghost. I don't think we really are 509 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,360 going to have that answer. A ghost could be many things. 510 00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:59,760 All right, all. Right. 511 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,120 I'll give it to you. I'll let it slide. 512 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200 Just saying a round, round answer. 513 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,360 Tammy, you described your I've heard you describe yourself. 514 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,840 I'm probably is it a a Bruja? Is that how you say that A? 515 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Bruja. I'm not. 516 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Don't make me roll my arm. It'll be just a bit. 517 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,880 Listen, tell me if you make me roll my Rs, it's embarrassing 518 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,280 for everyone. Oh no, don't make me do it 519 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,240 tonight. My entire life tonight all I'm 520 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,560 gonna say is blue R now that's one of my that's one of my tism 521 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,880 triggers. I definitely. 522 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,160 Consider my I'm doing a little blue Haria. 523 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,040 Yes, I love. I can't say I'm. 524 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,640 Never gonna say that. I'm not. 525 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,400 I'm just gonna be. It's like I'm not gonna say 526 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600 croissant either. It's just not gonna croissant. 527 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:47,960 All right, but. You use like black salt and 528 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,120 black tourmaline like so OK, how do you wreck? 529 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,280 So if that's is that true, then I guess if you consider yourself 530 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,360 this and is it, how do you reconcile sort of spiritual 531 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,160 protection side of your practice with this more scientific and 532 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,800 evidence based approach you do when you investigate? 533 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,800 How do I use it? I I mean, yeah, like how do. 534 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,520 You How do you cover both sides I. 535 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,440 Used to go in raw as I was told by what does. 536 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,520 That mean that's the way. To do it. 537 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320 I go in hard, in raw, keep it clean. 538 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,880 Girl, that's my name in. Prison, you know. 539 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200 We back up going in the new model raw and. 540 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040 Hard like your. That's it, yeah. 541 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,680 Raw and hard. I, I was always in the belief in 542 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,600 the scientific belief. Look, if you're just, I'm just 543 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,200 there to collect evidence and to collect data and just to be 544 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,520 grounded like I just need to be, you know, not single minded, but 545 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,400 open minded, be very grounded and a lot of, I don't know, like 546 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 I've had a lot of discussions with people who are very 547 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,520 spiritual who are in my group. They were like, Tammy, you need 548 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,840 to like cleanse because I just feel like you carry and harbor 549 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,200 so many things from these places and I feel like I kind of don't, 550 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,640 but just to make themselves feel better to I was about to say 551 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,240 don't. Let any. 552 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,000 Yeah, yeah. Don't let people turn around and 553 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,200 tell you that you're gathering this and that from places. 554 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,320 If you feel fine, you're good. Yeah, I feel fine. 555 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960 But for the sake of them, like they're like, can you at least 556 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080 please carry this rock or put carry this, you know, Florida 557 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,440 Water or Cascadia like I'm like. Yeah. 558 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,440 I mean, I'm like, I've been told by, you know, who is it? 559 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,440 Johnny Alteny is one of my favorite weirdos and 560 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 investigators, but he brought up a really good point in a 561 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,200 lecture. He was like, you just have to be 562 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040 grounded. You know, if you walk in 563 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,720 thinking that something's going to follow you home, then 564 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480 something will most likely freaking follow you home. 565 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,320 And he's like, you just have to understand, we really don't know 566 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,080 what we're truly dealing with. You know, it could be so many 567 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160 things. It could be carbon monoxide. 568 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,440 It could be parallel universe. And yeah. 569 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,640 And I had a case like that where a girl was, she was almost 570 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,440 poisoned. She thought she had spirits in 571 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800 her apartment. And lo and behold, there were no 572 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440 batteries in her carbon monoxide detector. 573 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,640 And when we put the batteries in, it went off. 574 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,680 Yeah. So wow, wow, wow. 575 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,280 And so do you. So do you. 576 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720 Do you compartmentalize then? In that sense, Yeah. 577 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Is there stages of it for you? I'm curious, you know. 578 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,360 No for me. Like I feel like it depends on 579 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,800 the case, like I could compartmentalize it or I could 580 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,680 it could be stages like with the Dave and Oven House. 581 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240 Like let's take that for a real. That was a huge learning curve 582 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,000 for me because I walked in with a lot of biases from based on a 583 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200 lot of the shows that I watch, like, Oh my God, I'm going to 584 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,680 see a bloody Sharon Tate. I'm going to see, you know, the 585 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,360 victims of the Sharon Tate murder. 586 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,280 And then within time, I was like, huh, I feel like my 587 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,320 hypothesis on this place is that it's just a revolving door of 588 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,000 energy because it's in the middle of Benedict Canyon. 589 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,360 And there's so many weird things inside and outside that I really 590 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320 don't think we're really dealing with what we really are dealing 591 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,280 with. And that was like a year and a 592 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,080 half into it. So those are things, yeah, that 593 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,280 I mean, I took it in stages where all other things like I 594 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,840 really did compartmentalize that. 595 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,320 You know, I tell you, when I was there, the only thing I didn't 596 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,120 experience anything other than there was one section of the 597 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,600 house where I got chills every single time I walk through it. 598 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,520 Yeah. Was it the? 599 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,120 Second or third floor it's. It's down. 600 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,000 I don't because it goes fucking down. 601 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,840 What is it? Yeah, the second floor, yeah. 602 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Was it the third? Floor No must have been the 603 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,240 third floor where the where his where his all his sports 604 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,360 memorabilia is the so. That's the oh, well, he has the 605 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,680 second. The second one. 606 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400 He has the stuff from what is it, the boxer Jack Johnson. 607 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,080 Yeah, down there. It's in there, but it was, yeah, 608 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,280 there's hope. It's in that one room. 609 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520 But every time, no matter how fast I walk through it or slow, 610 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960 I got chills. I had to stop and it was weird. 611 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,520 That was the weirdest thing to happen. 612 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,920 I have it on camera, too. It's like you can. 613 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760 There were so the goosebumps were so big you could see it 614 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,040 showed up on camera. I believe it. 615 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,040 That's happened to me too on the 3rd floor, just out of nowhere, 616 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,000 just like this wave of cold air just passes through. 617 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,160 You're like, what the hell was that, you know? 618 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,800 Tammy, do you consider yourself like a a psychic or have psychic 619 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,760 abilities? Oh God. 620 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,120 Tony's probably going to get on me about this. 621 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,440 I've never considered myself to be psychic medium or to have or 622 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,800 to be a medium, but I was told by one of the top psychic and 623 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:45,320 mediums in Lilydale that I have very strong abilities and I have 624 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,640 had experiences with those abilities in locations. 625 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680 I would see it, I would see it in my mind, I would hear it and 626 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400 I would taste it. And even Tony has confirmed this 627 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360 many times with me. She's like, you just have to 628 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,560 hone in and trust it. And a lot of the times where I 629 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,160 would go into these locations and I would talk to the owners 630 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880 or, you know, the caretakers and like, hey, is there a man here? 631 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160 Is there a child here? And they're like, yes, Oh my 632 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,560 God, you're not going to believe this. 633 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,840 But a while ago they found a a little girl here locked in one 634 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,480 of the clock. I'm like, OK, well, I'm coming 635 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,640 up with like a lot of images and words and I mean, I'm fine if 636 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200 you can, you know, do not recognize anything that is 637 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,840 coming out my mouth. That is fine. 638 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960 But I'm just calling it like I see it like how I smell it or 639 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120 taste it. It's just I'm calling it out 640 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320 right here. So in a lot of times like it is 641 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,600 confirmed. Do you? 642 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,680 Feel that that has strengthened over the years for you, 643 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,800 definitely. Now I've learned to trust it and 644 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,160 to accept it. What's the big? 645 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Thing. So what's the big? 646 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400 What's the big Claire that you carry? 647 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,840 I want to say that I am definitely Claire. 648 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,240 What is it? Gustin's. 649 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320 Where you can taste it or smell it? 650 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,520 Oh. Oh, that seems like the worst 651 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,080 Claire to have. It is. 652 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,040 It's really. Interesting. 653 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,520 It's terrible. I am. 654 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,120 I am staying out of this one. Oh come on. 655 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,680 Many jokes. All the flares. 656 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,640 Like. Maybe. 657 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,600 I don't know. Yeah, right. 658 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,760 A ghost. I mean, I'm all the Claire what 659 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,360 have you. Tasted like tell like 660 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,640 cigarettes. Cigarettes. 661 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Yeah, I've tasted. Cigarettes I was doing, I was 662 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,200 researching a case, I was talking to the owner of this 663 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,480 tattoo parlor in Santa Clarita artifact, and he was telling me 664 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400 about this case of this man that was murdered there in the early 665 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,480 2000s. And I'm like, was he a heavy 666 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,000 smoker? Because I'm getting the taste of 667 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,840 Marlboro Reds Because I used to smoke in college and I used to 668 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680 bomb cigarettes. I didn't care what it was. 669 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,360 If it had, if it was a nicotine wrapped up in paper, I'm going 670 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,640 to smoke it. If it was like a patch, I'm 671 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,400 going to roll it up and smoke it regardless. 672 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,640 Like, I just, you know, always stressed and on edge. 673 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,800 And he was like, I'm not sure. And by the second investigation, 674 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,680 we had close friends of that victim show up and leave 675 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,480 cigarettes. And I'm like, oh, so he really 676 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,320 did smoke. Yeah. 677 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,760 He smoked like a chimney. And I'm like, did he smoke 678 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,040 Marlboro Reds? And they're like, yeah, I'm 679 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,639 like. And I looked at the owner. 680 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,360 I'm like, I told you when you sent me all this information 681 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239 where you're telling me this, I tasted cigarettes. 682 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,280 I don't know why. And those are things that, you 683 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,360 know, come to me like out of. That's how you. 684 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,440 Get your fix too. So I get your fix. 685 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480 You hang around. It tastes like a red either. 686 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520 I know, I know there. That is a. 687 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,880 Unique taste. Oh, on the cloves. 688 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,120 That are, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, clothes 689 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,400 are. And those are sweet. 690 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Yeah, OK. Tammy, you also you studied a 691 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,239 little at the Ryan Institute or how did that work? 692 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,159 I know a lot about the Ryan Institute. 693 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,480 So what was that? Were you in? 694 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Did you was it online? Did you go to North Carolina? 695 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,880 Like where did you do this? Was during the? 696 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,239 Pandemic and I ended up taking that class with Lloyd Auerbach, 697 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,320 who's one of the head instructors and and we've got 698 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,400 Lloyd. Was our first guest. 699 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,440 I love him. I've known Lloyd for years. 700 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080 I love him and he, he's another one that was really a big part 701 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520 of my journey and help me with my vision and everything. 702 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,400 And yeah, I took the intro to paranormal investigating, like 703 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,920 ghost hunting, you know, how to separate fact from fiction. 704 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960 And it was such a great experience learning from him and 705 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,640 learning to read these articles that, you know, the Ryan 706 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,000 Institute has in their, you know, their database, all these 707 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,400 documented, you know, labs and investigations that they've done 708 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,920 and how they properly, yeah, how to properly document and and 709 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,200 record these phenomenons is very unique. 710 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,320 And I wish a lot of people would really get on board with that. 711 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,880 Let me ask you. This because you've now seen 712 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,000 you've been a part of a lot of different things, right? 713 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,880 Which is really, this is kind of, this is actually a great 714 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,880 question for you studying with Lloyd, right? 715 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,240 And there's guys like Lloyd and I've interviewed guys like Steve 716 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,960 Parsons, he's old school investigators and I know Barry 717 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,720 Taft very well. And all of these really classic 718 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,040 5060 to 80 year olds, even parapsychologists who used to go 719 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,000 out really value the human experience. 720 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960 Then it rolled into the TV generation, right? 721 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,880 Change the game with gear and you know, they're rolling in 722 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,320 with vans and Pelican cases and EMF meters and you know, Mel 723 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,400 meters and all these things. And now here we are today and 724 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,520 it's the social media game, right where we've got, you know, 725 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,480 it's just a different vibe, right? 726 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,040 You've and you've got a couple of seconds to get someone 727 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,080 interested in this genre and they have to find a unique way 728 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,320 to tell a story. And you're part of been a part 729 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640 of all of it. Do you? 730 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,200 What do you think? Are you taking a piece from 731 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,160 each? Are you shaming? 732 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,440 Not shaming is a bad word, but are are there things that you 733 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,720 really are against? How do you combine these sort of 734 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,680 three educations that you are in to stay true to investigation? 735 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,720 I was always told to never quit my day job first and foremost, 736 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,560 which was a big piece of advice. Thank you, Lloyd. 737 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,640 True. And it's because, like, do you 738 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680 want to be famous or you want to be taken seriously? 739 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,600 And I want to be taken seriously too, but still entertain in a 740 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,960 way where it's still respectful. I feel like I've always pivoted 741 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,000 in a way where it was ethical. And sometimes I will admit it 742 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,360 probably wasn't. And I called myself out on it. 743 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,440 And I'll still call myself out on it, you know? 744 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,360 And I think that's the thing, like now that we're seeing this 745 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,880 evolution of social media and AI, which is even more scary. 746 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,400 AI was definitely something I was warned about two years ago 747 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,280 at a convention by one of the producers and creators of Oh my 748 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,760 God, it was one of the big shows on Destination Unknown. 749 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,360 I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he was 750 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,000 like, I promise you guys, right now, AI is going to change not 751 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,760 only television and film, but also paranormal investigating 752 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,080 and ghost hunting. And he was looking back at that 753 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,320 now two years ago, he was correct. 754 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,440 And I think it's that question of like, is AIA big ethical tool 755 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680 in our investigating or is it hurting our investigations? 756 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080 I think, you know, a big part of that from what I've learned in 757 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,200 the very beginning is it's not, it's, it's doesn't hurt to 758 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,800 experiment and to create your own hypothesis of what works 759 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,400 well for you and what works well for your, you know, I guess 760 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,160 whatever, whatever evidence you collect for your own data and 761 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,920 your own sake. But I've always been told to, to 762 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,960 always keep it simple and keep it old school. 763 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,320 And that's what I try to do. I like that. 764 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,000 Through Hollyweird, you, you've really gone and investigated a 765 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,480 lot of places here and you link true crime to paranormal and in 766 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,680 a really unique way and finding those, those spots that are 767 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,960 maybe less known to most people, right? 768 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,000 We've all heard the big stories. What spot surprised you the 769 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,680 most? And I don't, and that doesn't 770 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,400 necessarily mean like scared you the most or freaked you out. 771 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,680 What was there any spot that was like, oh man, everyone's talking 772 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,200 about this and this shit is dead. 773 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,160 Like there's nothing here. Like it was what what really 774 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,880 what has turned you or what surprised you the most when you 775 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,240 went to a spot or you expected it to be scary and it wasn't or 776 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,040 vice versa. Oh my God, there. 777 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,640 Were several spots that I was like. 778 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 I was like. Wow, I could really take a nap. 779 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,160 Like unfortunately it was the Sally House in Atchison, KS. 780 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,920 It was the Sally House and I went in like kind of late in the 781 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,920 afternoon because you can rent it out. 782 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,400 You just pay the $10 and they give you the code through the 783 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,080 city and you could walk in and have at it in the place. 784 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,120 And I was there for a couple hours and nothing. 785 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,920 I almost fell asleep in the doll room. 786 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,600 I was having a little tee time and a Kiki with the haunted 787 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,440 dolls and nothing. There was nothing. 788 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,040 You know, I was like, OK, like I even had the mic going on in 789 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,520 certain rooms. Went back and listen, nothing. 790 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,120 And then I on my messages because I was like, guys, I 791 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,720 almost fell asleep in the Sally house. 792 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,720 This is considered one of the most haunted houses. 793 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:08,720 What the hell? And. 794 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,640 One of my listeners is like, hey, but go down the street to 795 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,440 1889 Mcinteer Villa and you're going to have a different vibe 796 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,640 over there. So I did, and I met Stephanie 797 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,760 O'Reilly, who's the owner. And it's an older house, the 798 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,680 same time period of when Atchinson was like up and 799 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,440 thriving in the 1800s. And it was a very, very creepy 800 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,280 house and very much off the beaten path because the Sally 801 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,880 House was getting all this like notoriety and popular popularity 802 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,760 online. And I was like, no, everybody's 803 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,240 been sleeping on this house. But that house that she has is 804 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,720 so creepy. There were 9 confirmed deaths. 805 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,560 There were full body apparitions that she showed me on her phone, 806 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,080 like full body creepy looking apparitions. 807 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,280 And there was a section, there was a point this has never 808 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,560 happened in an investigation, right? 809 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,600 And one of the most haunted places. 810 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,160 We were going into the basement and she was telling me that they 811 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,600 that this may have been an abortion clinic at one point. 812 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,040 And as she's talking the footage, my camera stopped and 813 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,720 my recorder stopped all at the same time. 814 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640 And it, I, I was like, no, the batteries are fresh. 815 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,240 They're fully charged. This worked like a dream and a 816 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,080 breeze at the Sally House, but when we left the basement, 817 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,920 everything picked back up and it was just the oddest thing. 818 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,840 It's like every time she would talk about what happened in the 819 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,000 basement, things would just malfunction. 820 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,240 It was so odd. It's like, it's funny how? 821 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,240 Electrical. It's funny how electrical stuff 822 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,480 is that. I've had that. 823 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,320 I had that happen to me once in Hollywood forever. 824 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,400 I was telling John I was so pissed. 825 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,000 And he's like, get used to it, yeah. 826 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,400 It's like this. What happens? 827 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,480 I was so sad used. To it, I'm like, no one's going. 828 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,160 To believe me, no one's going to I had this and no one's going to 829 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,880 believe that when I caught because it died, I can't even 830 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,360 share this moment. Like you, you bring your. 831 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,760 You'd be surprised. How many? 832 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,800 You'd be surprised how many people would believe what just 833 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,000 the amount of. Stuff that. 834 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,760 Goes wrong while you're trying to do anything when it comes to 835 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,240 the paranormal, yes. Where does LA? 836 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,280 Stack up in in terms of haunted or do we win or what? 837 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,280 Oh my God, you guys. Absolutely. 838 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,800 Win. Yeah, LA wins. 839 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,960 Right. Absolutely win. 840 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,240 Yeah, I mean, there's LA, New Orleans, Savannah, and then even 841 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,960 like Illinois, Chicago's freaking haunted Chicago. 842 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,760 Weird. Yeah, you always forget you. 843 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680 Always forget there's Chicago. You say Illinois, you're like, 844 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,760 what? And then you're like, all right, 845 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,120 there's Chicago. They got some good. 846 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160 They got some good shit there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 847 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,960 But what's what's your favorite city then? 848 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,520 Is it LA or New Orleans? That's tough. 849 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,120 That's a good one. I. 850 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,120 I love New Orleans, I really do. I love yeah 'cause it's unique. 851 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,840 There's more character. To it more New Orleans has it 852 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,440 and. It's a lot older. 853 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. 854 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,040 Got a good you're cities like New Orleans, San Francisco, like 855 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680 they have a look and a whole like the energy changes just 856 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640 because of the architecture in the scene, which is amazing. 857 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,840 You were consultant on Ghost Adventures. 858 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,640 Is that correct And. I tell us about that. 859 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:19,440 Experience so. In 2022 or 21, I, I was told by 860 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760 my listeners and it was like a bunch of them messaging me via 861 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,120 Facebook and Instagram. Hey, I think Ghost Adventures is 862 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,040 copying off of you. It's funny how you would release 863 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,720 all these episodes of all these places that would no one has 864 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,280 ever heard about. And then it's funny that all of 865 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:39,480 a sudden Ghost Adventures made it an episode like a month later 866 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,760 And I, I was like, maybe it's coincidence. 867 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,000 They're like, I don't know, Tammy. 868 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,640 I, it's, it's very spot on because I stopped watching after 869 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,000 the 7th season And I would catch an episode here and there and 870 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,200 then they're like, Tammy promised me you watched the most 871 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,440 recent one. And I'm like, OK, watched it. 872 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,560 And I was like, legit every like it was, I'm, we made an episode 873 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,760 about this. It was there in order. 874 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,240 I'm like, I don't. No, no, no, no, no. 875 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,520 I'm not Ghost Adventures. Like we're just a little indie 876 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,800 podcast. A week later, the producer, 877 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,400 Justin, messaged me and he was like, hey, I'm from Ghost 878 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000 Adventures and we need to talk. And I'm like, yeah, we have a 879 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,360 lot to talk about. Can you explain this? 880 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,360 You know, it was like, what's going on there? 881 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,400 Like, no, we've been watching you. 882 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,800 We've been hearing you, and we want you to to help us. 883 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560 We want to consult. And I'm like, well, I want 884 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,640 credit, let's do it. And I want to be on the show. 885 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,440 Let's do it. So good for you. 886 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,280 Yeah. They got me on the show and they 887 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,480 realized, like, I'm not OK. There's weird, right? 888 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680 There's like good weird. And then there's weird, like 889 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,760 weird. They're like, you're not one of 890 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,600 those people. They've dealt with those people. 891 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:53,320 And what they wanted was someone who had modified accounts they 892 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,200 could trust, someone that could bring trustworthy people to 893 00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,200 interview who had, you know, a unique but honest experience at 894 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,560 these haunted locations, Good stories. 895 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,120 And I'm like, yeah, you want to talk to so. 896 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,920 And so I'm going to throw you their number. 897 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,120 I'm going to send you this person. 898 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,400 They're really great. They're normal. 899 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,960 So they're, you know, they they are familiar with the show, but 900 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,600 they're not like a crazy fan. And it's been a working 901 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,120 relationship for the past 2-3 years with them. 902 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,520 I've actually been on one episode, but recorded 3 or 4 903 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,640 with them. And recently, I think two months 904 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,920 ago, I finally got to investigate with them in 905 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,720 Hollywood at the Waddles Mansion. 906 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,280 So they were in a bind. They're like Tammy, we need 907 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,000 interviews, we need people. I'm like, did you ever had an 908 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,240 experience there? And I'm like, yeah, I had a very 909 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,960 weird experience walking my dog there, my first dog on the 910 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,080 property because it is a public park during the day. 911 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,240 And I kept on seeing a woman, like, I don't know, I felt a 912 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,880 very strong female presence. And I kept on looking at the 913 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,800 mansion. I could have sworn I, I saw a 914 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120 woman in one of the windows. And they're like, great, you're 915 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960 going to come in and record with Zach. 916 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,680 I'm like, what? So they send me all the 917 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,480 information. I went on set. 918 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,560 I met with Zach, I interviewed with him. 919 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,240 And when you interview with Zach, that means that he's most 920 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,600 likely going to send you in the basement with Aaron or Billy. 921 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:20,240 So I ended up going in the basement with Billy, and not 922 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,920 only did I conduct A paranormal investigation with Ghost 923 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,000 Adventures in a basement, I did part of it in Spanish. 924 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,000 So it was very unique. You guys are going to have to 925 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,400 watch the episode, but I was very happy for that moment 926 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,560 because you don't often see little brown girls investigating 927 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,800 with people that look like good for you man. 928 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480 Yeah, that's, that's that first of all, that's absolutely 929 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,080 amazing. And, you know, and look, you 930 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,560 sort of segued into what I was about to ask you too, which is 931 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,840 about diversity in this genre. John and I have tried to make it 932 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,640 a real point to find disruptors and people who do that, you 933 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,800 know, from drag Queens to African Americans. 934 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400 We want, you know, like we don't see a lot. 935 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,840 You know, we've had Tony on. I know she's trying to do Marie 936 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,440 Jackson on. I, I reach out to some people 937 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,800 just haven't agreed to come on yet. 938 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520 But you know, I really want to find different faces and 939 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,680 different voices, not only for my own education in the space, 940 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,160 because I think I don't know how you can put a picture together 941 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,880 of what is a spirit without talking to people of all 942 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,640 different backgrounds. But also just because I'm sick 943 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,720 of the same guys in the black T-shirts then, you know, like 944 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,640 the old white guys doing it with their with their flat brim tats 945 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,200 and their barbed wire tattoos. It's like, you know, you and I 946 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,080 can't be friends. I've had enough of it. 947 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:41,040 So how how have you found this? I mean, one, it sounds like 948 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,880 pretty great that they called you and to do that and to break 949 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,880 that sort of ceiling for for it. But before that, did you find 950 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,600 people? Was it really difficult to be 951 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,960 taken seriously in the space because of your background, 952 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,640 because you're a woman and Hispanic and and all these 953 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480 things like in the paranormal think it's always. 954 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,840 Going to be difficult. You know, I've, I always felt 955 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,320 that before and even still after, you know, I still feel 956 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,240 that because at the end of the day it's, it's always going to 957 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,760 be the predominantly this white male and the black shirt and the 958 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,360 shark tooth necklace screaming in the basement. 959 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120 You know, it's going to be that YouTuber that people want to 960 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,320 follow and like, and it's always a man and that's just how it is. 961 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,240 It's just very male, heavily male dominated. 962 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,760 And there's always that joke of like, well, what about women? 963 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680 You know, women are, you know, are also a great part of the 964 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,360 paranormal. They're always mediums. 965 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,240 And no, we're more than that. We could be researchers and 966 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,320 historians and also investigators too. 967 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,360 And it's like we can't be put in the box of just oh, for psychic 968 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,080 and mediumship abilities. No, I want to be put in a spot 969 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,360 where I could be a storyteller, A researcher and actually be in 970 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,240 a basement with Billy Tully, you know, hosting or helping, you 971 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,120 know, coordinate an investigation partially in 972 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,560 Spanish and in English. So it's, you know, that's 973 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,520 something, if I could try to make it a little nudge in that 974 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,600 barrier, I'm going to do that. Why'd you? 975 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,360 Have to why'd you do it in Spanish for that one, for that 976 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,520 case? So it was really. 977 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,040 Interesting because Billy had the spirit, he has this unique 978 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,000 spirit box that a lot of things were coming very clear and kind 979 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,320 of negative there. And we started getting responses 980 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,000 in Spanish and then I was responding automatically. 981 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,840 I was responding in in Spanish back so I could understand 982 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,280 because I was telling Billy, oh, that's Spanish, you know, and 983 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,600 let me respond in Spanish. So it was, it was like, OK, my 984 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,280 time to shine. And so you know, Adonis 985 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,480 Sanitario, OK, it's not here. What? 986 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,000 No, it was, it was very, it was, it was perfect. 987 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,400 It was perfect timing. Tammy, you seem to, I mean, 988 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,840 you're so for the fact I'm most impressed with how quickly you 989 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,720 can drop names and remember names and remember the history 990 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,920 of these locations, which is a skill in and of itself. 991 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,920 I could barely remember what happened to me last Tuesday. 992 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,560 But it's do you, do you study and factor in or consider the 993 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,960 religions of the area and from all the different cultures you 994 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,960 have, right? I mean. 995 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,520 Where? Does like Voodoo and Santeria 996 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,160 and these things play and I'm I'm don't make me roll my R in 997 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,640 Santeria, but it's like, what is it? 998 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,320 I'm not. Doing it what's, what is the, is 999 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,880 there a, is there a belief system in that or a 1000 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,920 misconception in these things when you're on, when you're in, 1001 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,800 in a, in a part of the country that might have practiced that? 1002 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,720 And does that change what you're picking up and how the 1003 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,880 investigation goes? Absolutely. 1004 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,000 I, you know, growing up Catholic, that's all I had. 1005 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,360 That was only my belief system, but I was a little more 1006 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,840 different. I always felt well and also 1007 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,880 educated like when I went to university, I I took classes on 1008 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,640 different religions, different, you know, spiritualisms and I 1009 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,760 have a really good girlfriend who I would love to put you in 1010 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,520 connection to her name is Tanya Mercado. 1011 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,240 Shout out to her. She is a practicing Santetta and 1012 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,960 she's one of my really good friends and she's legit, you 1013 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,080 know, a practicing Santetta. Her her mom are really up there. 1014 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,600 They go to Cuba, they do the ceremonies, they do the Misas. 1015 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,360 And the biggest misconception is that what people see in 1016 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,600 Hollywood, it's the same as conception with voodoo. 1017 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,720 And what a lot of people don't understand is that they're all 1018 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,040 rooted in Catholicism. They're all parallel with that. 1019 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,760 And with Santania, for example, they, they pray to Saints, they 1020 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,280 pray to their ancestors and they pray to their spirit guides. 1021 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,440 And that's the same thing with voodoo. 1022 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,680 We always, I remember New Orleans dressing up in white and 1023 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,600 going seeing, you know, the Saint Joseph's Day to paying 1024 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,560 homage to the Saint Joseph and stuff and, you know, bringing 1025 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,040 bread and money to the statue. So those are things that I 1026 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,040 always find to be a big misconception. 1027 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,360 But within those religions, there's also a misconception of 1028 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,360 what we're actually dealing with, Christianity and 1029 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,240 Catholicism. A ghost is a demon. 1030 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,760 It's automatically a demon. What you're doing is evil. 1031 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,120 Where in Santeria they don't believe in demons, they don't 1032 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,520 believe in evil. There's dark and there's light 1033 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,440 and that's it, which is very interesting, is very unique. 1034 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,480 If you had. To pick a religion, what would 1035 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,800 be the one that you would go with? 1036 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,840 Oh my goodness, non denominational. 1037 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,080 What's the most? Fun, honestly. 1038 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,720 I really enjoy. I enjoy Scientology. 1039 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,880 Oh my gosh, no. We'd all be super successful. 1040 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880 I'm just throwing it out there. Oh my God. 1041 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,360 I feel like we'd be real successful if we went. 1042 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,920 Down that road, I'm just throwing it out. 1043 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,960 I we look, here's the thing. We were raised Catholic as well. 1044 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,840 So it's like, you know, I'm just as likely to believe that 1045 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,360 there's aliens as there, you know, as there are, you know, 1046 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,440 people raise it from the dead. I mean, what's the difference? 1047 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,560 I don't knock anybody for choosing what they choose. 1048 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,040 Yeah, certainly, if it can help you pay the rent. 1049 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,200 Get you? That starring role in the next 1050 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800 Tom Cruise film. I Want To people. 1051 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,480 I mean, that's. I mean, I always tell people in 1052 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,080 my. Investigations look, you know, 1053 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,600 do whatever suits you in your belief in your religion. 1054 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,480 If you feel like you need to say a Hail Mary or an our father 1055 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,680 after in the investigation, then do it. 1056 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,480 You know, whatever makes you feel safe. 1057 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,560 Tammy, what's next for you? What's the? 1058 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,400 Next project you have so many things. 1059 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,320 It's it's pretty, I mean, you really do have so many things. 1060 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,000 What's I'm really busy this summer and I'm a little what's 1061 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,160 the. Priority first of all. 1062 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,320 You know, what is that priority for you like that you're 1063 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,800 focusing on, you know, what's paying the mortgage And then is 1064 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,120 it costume design? That's the, is that the job? 1065 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,400 Yeah, that's the job. Costume design. 1066 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,040 But which I love. I think it's wildly creative. 1067 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,000 But outside of it, I. Am also going to be working with 1068 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,120 my community here in San Fernando. 1069 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,760 I have a meeting next week with a very old home, one of the 1070 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,640 oldest homes here, where it looks like I'm going to be 1071 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,520 leading some haunted historical tours, and it looks like it's 1072 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,000 definitely in the works. And then in June, I'll be 1073 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,400 traveling back to Old Town Spring in Texas to lead another 1074 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,880 event in one of the most haunted towns in Northwest Texas. 1075 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,640 So yeah, so you get caught. So is this something, how does 1076 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,640 that happen for you or they just know you by now, you've just 1077 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,080 been around. They're like, this is the person 1078 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,520 we need to walk us through this stuff because I find it right. 1079 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,240 And then and how do you, how do you discern what you want to do 1080 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,680 and which ones you want to take on? 1081 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,440 Is it that I've never been there before? 1082 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,720 Or you know what, what attracts you to a, a certain location for 1083 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,000 you to want to investigate it? It's familiarity and. 1084 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,080 You know this energetic pool, I guess you can say I don't know, 1085 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,080 like I can't explain it, but I am since I'm originally from New 1086 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,400 Orleans. I did grow up in in Texas, like 1087 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760 I'm New Orleans born and raised, but Texas seasoned and I lived 1088 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,760 in Houston. Mesquite Mesquite grew a 1089 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,160 Mesquite spice. But there's a point in time 1090 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,280 where I went to high school in Houston and there was a town 1091 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,240 called all town Spring where it was haunted. 1092 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,560 We that was the lore and I have my parents that are still living 1093 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,280 there and I would always go and visit them. 1094 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,720 And this one visit last summer something told me get in the car 1095 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,720 and just go visit. I don't know why I just need to 1096 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,720 get out of the house and I needed to go to this town and 1097 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,480 somehow the 1st place I parked my car in front of is a 1098 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,560 botanica. It's a, it's a botanica and I go 1099 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,920 in there and they led me to this boutique called the Dark Side of 1100 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,880 Spring. And it's a paranormal boutique 1101 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,400 and it's a couple that they host a lot of paranormal events. 1102 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,920 And I got to talking with them. I did a video for them to help 1103 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,320 promote their small businesses because I love doing that. 1104 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,520 And it blew up. It blew up all over social 1105 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,960 media. And they were able to get a lot 1106 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,920 of business and that business cost them to get them another 1107 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,560 golf cart to do golf cart tours. And then we did, you know, a 1108 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,400 huge event with Adam Berry. And then it just like progressed 1109 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,840 to now let's do an event in the summer. 1110 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,840 Let's see what we can do. So I love it. 1111 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,400 I love it. Where can people? 1112 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,000 Find you. Where should they go? 1113 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,200 Oh yeah, they should go in Instagram. 1114 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,640 And Facebook Holly weird paranormal and I'm also on 1115 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,160 TikTok under haunted LA girl Haunted LA girl. 1116 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,880 And and let's not forget my my personal favorite is, is haunted 1117 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,400 Threads. Yeah, it's on haunted thread. 1118 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,160 You could. Find me on Instagram on haunted 1119 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,000 thread and YouTube as well. That is my that truly is my 1120 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,120 favorite I find. That one to be that, that to me 1121 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,600 is really groundbreaking and I hope, I hope you stick with, I 1122 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,280 hope you do more of it. I will. 1123 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,880 I still have to continue with. The woman in black lore. 1124 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,040 So the dress is built, we just have to find the actress to tell 1125 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,960 more of the story. So Oh my God such a cool idea. 1126 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,520 And the next. One such a cool idea. 1127 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,760 I think the next one. Will be paying homage. 1128 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,360 Homage to Mary Marie Laveau, so that'll be another one. 1129 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,440 See, this shit's great. I love. 1130 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,400 Like that, it's a really, I tell you, Tammy, it's really just a 1131 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,600 great angle. And it's like, you know, the 1132 00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,120 fact that you can, you know, you it's just it's it's in your 1133 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,440 blood. I mean, you know how to do it. 1134 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,680 You know how to make it. You know how to present it. 1135 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,880 You know the world. No one's do. 1136 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,880 I've never seen it. I'm old. 1137 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,480 Yeah, I've learned in. Entertainment. 1138 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,440 You have to be a Swiss Army knife. 1139 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,400 And in this niche of the paranormal, you got to be that 1140 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,760 way, too. And, you know, it's more than 1141 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240 just picking up a camera and going into a haunted home. 1142 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,880 You know, there's so much you can do. 1143 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,800 And I see that, like, with what you guys do. 1144 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,880 I see that with John and Santa. Paranormal, like it goes. 1145 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,000 And he cleans graves and he keeps the voice box going and 1146 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,440 he, you know, he's conversing like it's crazy. 1147 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,960 Yeah. He's having his own Kiki. 1148 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,560 With the ghosts. He's a witch. 1149 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,360 He's a witch dude. He's a total. 1150 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,280 Witch, by the way, but it's it's that that witchy sauce. 1151 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,520 You know, he does have that witchy sauce. 1152 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,680 Tammy, thank you so much for for joining us today on our live. 1153 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,400 Yeah, thank you. And you got a giant following. 1154 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,760 On TikTok. You're like almost got a million 1155 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,440 followers on there yourself. You're no slouch. 1156 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,320 That took a while. You're no slouch. 1157 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,400 And you're so good at this. You really are. 1158 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,160 I really love it. And I, like I said, Holly, weird 1159 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,920 paranormal, haunted threads, haunted LA girl, we're going to 1160 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,240 put chyrons up for all this stuff. 1161 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,520 There will be a, there will be a link to Tammy in the link tree 1162 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,840 in my bio after this airs too, as you can find her. 1163 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,600 Tammy, thank you so much. I can't thank you guys. 1164 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,040 Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your day, we 1165 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,720 will talk soon. Me too. 1166 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,360 Bye man. She was a lot of fun, yeah. 1167 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,640 That that whole. Threads thing is a great idea. 1168 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,240 I mean, there's so much can be done with that just from 1, you 1169 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,720 know, article. I know, I tell you, you think 1170 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,680 about John. Let's take a minute for the 1171 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040 whiners and the threads who didn't get our attention. 1172 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,480 I don't know if you saw those guys. 1173 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,680 I've been oh, I've been talking to everybody in the chat. 1174 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080 The. Entire time somebody was like, 1175 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,400 why are they talking about? It that's the thing, I'm 1176 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,600 literally knee deep in. This chat the from start to 1177 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,480 finish have been here in the YouTube chat chatting with 1178 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,800 everybody during the whole interview you know and and I hi 1179 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,520 everybody, hi and but listen and honestly. 1180 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,800 Like, how cool is that? The haunted threads thing, Have 1181 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,440 you ever seen anyone really? She's got a skill. 1182 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,400 She's a costume designer. She's telling these great 1183 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,960 stories. You know, it's funny because. 1184 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,000 There are. Everywhere you go, right you. 1185 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,760 Can find places where people have articles of clothing on 1186 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,520 display and claim they're haunted, right everywhere you 1187 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,800 go. The problem is with it is that a 1188 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,000 lot of the times it's too gimmicky. 1189 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,280 It's very gimmicky. It's like, oh, we found a 1190 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,560 mannequin. Let's just throw it in this room 1191 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,960 that has nothing to do with anything and put a dress in 1192 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,920 there and say hey, this is you know, whatever. 1193 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,400 It's a trigger object and it's like, all right, well, what 1194 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,080 what's it supposed to be triggering if it has no context, 1195 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,480 right? That what she's doing is a 1196 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,080 completely different thing. It's more than just more than 1197 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,200 just a trigger object. I wouldn't even consider it a a 1198 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,160 trigger object. It's, it's a part of it. 1199 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,840 It's like a. Part of history. 1200 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,840 Pop culture and craftsmanship, and there's just like, forget 1201 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,840 there's so. Many layers, by the way, take. 1202 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,240 Paranormal out of it for a second it's. 1203 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,800 Still super cool that like I like Craftsman, right? 1204 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,120 People who create like she, she's a Craftsman. 1205 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,440 She's making this stuff and then she's tying it in and she's a, 1206 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,960 she is knowledge eligible enough and experienced enough to 1207 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,320 properly tie it in and give you the story. 1208 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,800 I mean, that's what's real. Like it's credible. 1209 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,440 That's the word I'm looking for. That's a long way to say the 1210 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,200 word credible. Anyway, she's great. 1211 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,480 She's a, she's a real, she's a real good resource and a really 1212 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,280 good, just a real talent in the space. 1213 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,920 I'm glad we, I'm glad she came. She came on. 1214 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,080 Yeah. All right, guys, You guys have 1215 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,800 any questions? What about you guys? 1216 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,320 Any questions for John and myself? 1217 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,800 Do you want to see the big antenna again? 1218 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,320 Look at this, it doesn't even fit on the screen. 1219 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,000 It's so big. That's that's what she. 1220 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,320 Said that's pretty. Big you need a you. 1221 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,840 Need a panned out? Shot for the whole thing, you 1222 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,000 know, I know you got to get a wide wide. 1223 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,880 Lens wide lens, you have size comparison. 1224 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,720 Did everybody watch the Nick Groff episode Speaking of Ghost 1225 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,640 adventures this week, I hope everybody did. 1226 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,600 If you didn't, you're missing out. 1227 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,800 Thanks. Listen and I got I. 1228 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,760 Got to say this too, she handled that way better than I would 1229 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,680 have handled it. Like, I'm sorry, if I'm doing 1230 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,160 something and I catch when that a Enterprise such as Ghost 1231 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,840 Adventures is literally mimicking the episode per 1232 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,200 episode when their producer contacted me, it would be more 1233 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,720 like, you'll put your mouth around it, OK? 1234 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,000 Like, oh, I'm serious, I'm serious. 1235 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,680 Like she handled that way better. 1236 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,000 Well, she's smart, she's smart and she took, you know, she went 1237 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,160 down the business Rd. like, yeah, yeah, let's talk, let's 1238 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,920 give me credit and let's get me on air. 1239 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,200 Yeah, that's I would have been like. 1240 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,760 Spelled screw all that, you know, but you know, you never 1241 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:17,800 know too. It's like, you know, with these. 1242 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,800 Shows and and she has a fairly big like I she said this is 1243 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,680 well, this is fairly recent a few years. 1244 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,120 She's got a big following. So if that that kind of feedback 1245 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,600 online, like if someone did it to you, you're going to know 1246 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,280 about it and it's going to get a, it's going to get some pretty 1247 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,920 bad feedback for the show, right? 1248 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,440 If all of a sudden you start seeing guys cleaning headstones, 1249 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,640 the it's obvious, you know what I mean, that they're copying 1250 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,640 from it. So and it's going to be a, it's 1251 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,360 going to be a shitstorm online for them, right? 1252 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:53,840 So they're that's right. They they probably, you know, 1253 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,920 she was probably when her podcast was just starting and 1254 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,280 whatnot and yeah, yeah. That's interesting though. 1255 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,760 Yeah, she handled a lot better nuts, you know? 1256 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,360 Yeah, she's really. Cool. 1257 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:07,720 All right. I don't see a lot of questions. 1258 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,800 Listen, I gave, I gave all you whiners an opportunity to ask 1259 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,160 questions, and no one's asking the goddamn thing, so I never 1260 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,960 want to hear you again. Say, why isn't anybody even 1261 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,680 talking in the chat? The chat. 1262 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,840 Oh my God. Why aren't we talking in the 1263 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,080 chat? Well, listen, I was in this chat 1264 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,640 the entire. Time literally comment and 1265 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,360 talking to everybody saying hello, getting getting them 1266 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,560 engaged. What up? 1267 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,240 Jolly good to see you there. Think I don't know if he's still 1268 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,240 there. He was watching IIG. 1269 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,840 Yeah, I can only see the. Jolly from. 1270 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440 Soco Paranormal. I can only see the white T chat, 1271 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,320 I can't see anything. Else no no, I'm looking. 1272 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,640 I got 3 screens. I got a big ass. 1273 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,640 In front of me so it's like my eyes are always wandering. 1274 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,360 What up player? Thank you. 1275 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,240 Jackie for we try to get some good people on here we're 1276 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,000 getting big look, the only reason we're able to get bigger 1277 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,760 and better guests is because of you guys hit that hype button 1278 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:03,080 share it follow it comment on apple apple works on comments 1279 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,360 guys. If you go to apples, leave a 1280 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,400 comment. They love it. 1281 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,360 That feeds it, that feeds the beast. 1282 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,760 That just helps us man. The. 1283 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,240 More likes the more. People know about it. 1284 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,960 The more people who subscribe that we can get better guests. 1285 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,080 That's just how it's going to go. 1286 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,080 You know, whether they like John and I or not, they'll come on 1287 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,240 because they know that you got you guys are there to see them. 1288 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,840 Yeah. Yeah, it's true. 1289 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,120 What else? Anybody. 1290 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,280 I don't know. Going once, going twice, going 1291 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,920 twice. John Soul to the silence in the 1292 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,280 back. Jackie Blue Gary, do you believe 1293 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,720 in? The afterlife I don't believe 1294 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,440 in. Do you have to define afterlife? 1295 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:44,760 Here's one thing I've learned, Jackie. 1296 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,480 Here's one thing I've learned from doing this. 1297 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,840 If you're going to ask me, do I believe in ghosts? 1298 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,400 Do I believe in the afterlife? You have to tell me what you 1299 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,840 define a ghost as, and I will tell you if I believe in that or 1300 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,800 not because the definition is too broad. 1301 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,280 So if you're saying, do I believe in an afterlife, like, 1302 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,080 are we going to go to like, a heaven with, like, angels and 1303 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,480 like, you know, the Backstreet Boys are going to be singing? 1304 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:15,440 The answer is no, everybody. I don't think that's. 1305 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,840 There's that. But if you're a sense of it, you 1306 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,600 know, I, I think that when we go, we're as dead as Dillinger. 1307 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,760 Now, whether there is that energy of mine somehow sticks to 1308 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,360 something, that's what we're trying to figure out here. 1309 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,680 That's what we're trying to we're experiencing here or we've 1310 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,600 have experienced these things. Maybe that's the thing. 1311 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,240 I don't know. But again, don't ask me whether 1312 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,840 I believe in a ghost or not until you tell me. 1313 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,280 Like I think a ghost is this. Do you believe in the same 1314 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,000 thing? Then I'll tell you what I think. 1315 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,640 Does that make sense? Does that make sense, John? 1316 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,480 I think that's fair. Yeah. 1317 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:49,240 Right. Because. 1318 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,000 So. Many people as as Tammy said so. 1319 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,880 Many people have a different definition of that they have 1320 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,880 different definitions for other definitions of. 1321 01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,120 Things and different words you know like it's just the way it 1322 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,600 is everybody it's it's it's interesting paranormal is 1323 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,840 interesting it's French science so anybody can call anything 1324 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,440 that's going on anything they want right you know so don't 1325 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,200 worry Jackie you're going to be just fine don't worry about the. 1326 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,240 Afterlife. Too much. 1327 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,160 Yeah, Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 1328 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,040 Live. Live. 1329 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,120 Live as a good person. As much as you can. 1330 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280 And then just don't worry about what's going to happen 1331 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,360 afterwards. Yeah, odds are it's not going to 1332 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,800 be a problem. You know, it's like, let's be 1333 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,440 real. It's not going to be a problem 1334 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,040 If you live a good life. It's true. 1335 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,360 All right, Gary, this is fun. Great guest. 1336 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,080 All right, guys. Thank. 1337 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,880 You, all of you on Facebook. I see you. 1338 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,080 Here in the chat too. We had a couple of bodies there. 1339 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,040 Greg. Cool. 1340 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,520 Kim, Melissa. I appreciate you, Teresa. 1341 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,720 Thank you guys and all you guys on IG. 1342 01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,320 Thank you. Yeah, after Cripple Creek, yeah, 1343 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:55,720 that's. Right. 1344 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,640 Well, we're we're going to. Get into Cripple, Cripple Creek. 1345 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,360 I'm going to a Paracon in Colorado, dude. 1346 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,080 It's going to be fanatic, but we're going to talk about that 1347 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,480 later. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you 1348 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,000 for watching. Splendid spirits, please. 1349 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,720 Hit that smash that subscribe button, hit that hype button. 1350 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,880 We got like 100 episodes you can catch up on if you get bored. 1351 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,360 And this past week we had Nick Roth. 1352 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,600 We have nothing new dropping next week, just another live. 1353 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,440 So you have plenty of time to catch up. 1354 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,800 Everybody, thank you so much. We appreciate you. 1355 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,720 Thank you guys. Well, that's it for another 1356 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,800 episode of Splintered Spirits. Be sure to like, share, and 1357 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,000 subscribe to our YouTube channel, Spotify, or wherever 1358 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,680 you get your podcasts. Until next time, stay curious.