But maybe you're a medium dude, like maybe you're for legit or
like a weird, like you're weird. It's weird.
Well, I could tell you this, I can't fit in a medium.
Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and
my nephew John Santa from at Santa Paranormal on TikTok where
we try to prove his theory that ghosts are the fractured
memories of the living. We spent the last three EPS with
psychic medium Kathy Nadal, and while we still don't know what
they are, we feel pretty confident that there are
actually spirits surrounding and communicating with John.
The new question is why him and if we can get to the bottom of
what makes him a conduit for spectral activity, that will get
us closer to figuring out what spirits are.
In this set, Johnny and I hang and discuss where things stand,
tell some ghost stories and solve some of life's more
immediate problems, like where to grab dinner.
Let's dive into the conversation.
When we brought Kathy Nidal into the basement and did that, It is
a great one. And the thing, that's what we
walked away because look, OK, we were starting out with this idea
of, all right, is it a haunting or is it an apparition?
What is it that you're hearing? And then are you somehow
deciphering the signals and being talking about AI?
Are you an AI that it reinterprets signals from
spirits that may have been imprinted there.
But bringing Kathy in there really changes the game.
Doesn't explain to us yet what ghosts are, but maybe it
explains a little more. But you are.
Yeah, maybe I don't. Know now why do you not think
you're a medium I? Just because I'm, I'm not, I
don't feel anything. There's no feelings, there's no
premonition. It's not like I hear something
go, Oh, I think this is the way it's going to be.
I think this is that this is what my inner gut is telling me.
And I got a big gut. You know what I mean?
Like there's there's no, there's, there's none of that.
It's it's dude, the and, and I maybe it's because I find the
whole concept of energy being nonsense, like that whole
healing energy thing, that whole, oh, this, it's all
nonsense. There's only one energy.
There's only one energy that we have as humans.
That's our magnetic field and a story that is it.
Well, you said yourself in that, in that basin with her, like in
that room, you said you'd have this feeling of like you're in
jello. So but that's that, that's
atmospheric. And that has nothing to do with
spirits like like so far I. Don't feel like I'm in jello.
Yeah, like so like for all right, so I see your point
there. But like, for example, if like,
like I remember like I'll apply it to a bar, go to a dive bar,
right? And I'm in a bar and there's a
bunch of people, it's chaotic. People are drinking this, that,
and the other one person will walk in the room and I'll be
like, oh fuck, this person's here.
I don't even have to see him. I already know I can already.
I can. I feel that they're here.
But. And I do it all the time.
I used to freak out my friends all.
The time, but that must. But doesn't that go against what
you just said? Are you are feeling something?
Well, because I'm not directly feeling it.
I feel the change in the atmosphere.
But isn't that what a medium is in a way?
Like they're. I thought mediums just get
downloads. I thought that's the whole
thing. Like the spirits talk to them
directly. Well, she says she has to go
into a meditative state. She does that before she arrives
to like sort of open her mind up.
Have you ever sat and just sort of like.
Of course I know Zach, what you're saying.
Of course I actually do the opposite.
And when I'm in a really bad place.
So like, for example, if I'm at buck out one night and it's like
horrible, like it's like they're telling me to die every two
seconds. They're talking about this,
they're talking about that, hearing things in the woods.
I'm there for three hours, saturated and all that.
I'll go to a quiet place and just.
Whenever you hear something in the woods, do you listen back to
the tape and hear it? Sometimes.
Or do you ever hear things that has not been recorded?
Yes, dude, everything like we hear, I hear things that haven't
been that I'll hear something and it won't pick up.
I'll hear things that definitely I didn't hear when I was there
the first time. It's, it's, it's, it's
everything like there's. But maybe you're a medium dude,
like maybe you're for legit or like a weird like you're a.
Weird one. Well, I could tell you this, I
can't fit in a medium. That's funny.
Oh my. God, but like, you know, but
seriously, we're trying to figure out, we're having some
fun here trying to figure out how this works.
And it is a fun experiment of talking about you're what, what
are we right? I think people want.
I think that's the part of the fascination is just like, what
are we, dude? Where are we going?
And it becomes. Like, listen, one big thing me
and you have a common is we're both atheists, 100 percent,
100%. We both we both know that there
is no high governing power that dictate dictates all of this.
There's too much evil in the world.
There's too much religion tries to explain it, but no, it's
chaos. It's literally nature's chaos.
It's the randomization of it. Me and you could be sitting
there having a great time. The fucking building explodes.
OK, boy, that was the hand of God, my ass.
You know what I mean? We, we know that.
We both know that. However, we know science.
You know, science can't explain exactly what happens to us when
we die. And if energy can't be created
or destroyed, there's no way that who we are, our
personalities fizzle out. There's no way that has to go
somewhere. That has to go somewhere.
I mean, I, I do agree with that. And it has to go.
And there is look this whole. Thing whether it's our family,
whether it's, you know, DNA, whether it's whatever it, it, it
goes somewhere. Yeah, this whole thing has been
a fascinating process just in general for me because I didn't
believe, you know, that my reading with Kathy was the first
reading I've ever done. I didn't even play the whole
thing because, and I'll, and I'll admit, there was a lot of
it that I still, I've thought about a lot and it doesn't make
sense to me. And I only use like the first
like 3 or 4 minutes. Well, can I, can I interject
real quick on that? You want to know why it didn't
make sense to you 'cause it had nothing to do with you.
If she truly has a gift, OK, there is no way she can control
it. But that's what.
I'm saying when she got specific and, and she nailed it.
And that's because she was, she, if she it, you know, if she's
truly a medium, which she impressed me, which is a hard
thing to do 'cause I am the biggest skeptic.
You know, the fact that she literally like, for example, she
said, oh, this has to do with your past.
This has to do with this. This has to do with that.
No, Kathy, you were wrong. I had.
This had nothing to do with my past.
This had to do with everything I'm doing right now.
She literally brought up every place that I am documenting.
She brought up the train. I couldn't figure out what she
was talking about. Oh, yeah, I used to go all the
time. No, she was talking about the
hidden cemetery with the train tracks right there and the
trains constantly going by with the hidden tunnel and the
graffiti. Is it possible that she she did
a hard. I mean, it was only within a few
days I. Mean how much?
I'll tell you why it's. I'll tell you why it's
impossible because some of the things that that, that unless
she watched me religiously, which she definitely didn't, OK,
she wouldn't know about the tunnels because there are very
few. I don't think there's any videos
showing the actual tunnel with the train tracks.
All right. There are videos showing the
path, but the the angle on the path, you can't tell there's a
train right there. So there's no way she knew about
that. There's there's no way you would
have to, literally you would have to religiously watch me
every day for the chance of me going there 'cause it's not like
I have a schedule. Like, all right, 5:00, we're
going to this spot. No, it's random.
I do that 'cause I don't want to get stalked.
Do you ever feel, do you ever think back or did after sitting
with her? Did you ever think back of like,
you know, I know we talked about in our first in our first
interview with doing this, you talked about like the the
Firehouse as being one of your first.
Experiences. What would you say is your
first? Can you think of anything before
that? I could I could think of very
random things like I remember one time when we lived in by the
high school seeing like this like red like demonic face with
like these little like black horns all over it looking at me.
I think that's Darth Maul. From Star Maul.
Well, well, this is this is way before Darth Maul.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is like way.
Yeah, this is way before Darth Maul.
And then I remember. I remember also were.
You guys, you were living in that.
What street was that? Right by Marionachi's over
there, Yeah. No, that, that that's, that was
when I was younger younger, but that that's that's where my
first experience was, which is my first two experiences.
Were technically well. Then the first the first one was
my uncle Billy got this cursed statue of a snake and my
grandmother flipped. How did you know it was cursed?
Because, well, from a child standpoint, it's because she was
saying it was cursed. OK, It was cursed.
It was cursed, it was cursed. And I remember one time.
This is your. This is Billy's.
Mom, this is Billy's mom. Yes, yes.
So. And this is your just so people
know, this is your father's youngest.
Brother. Yes.
So he moved up to the attic, all right, And that's where he ended
up having this that that statue. And I remember when he ended up
moving out, the statue was still up there and everybody was
cleaning out. And I remember I just everyone's
like throwing stuff out. Plus there was tons of other.
Stuff. How old do you think you were?
God must have been maybe 8, maybe 7-8 years old.
And I remember them launching stuff out the window.
No, maybe even younger, maybe like 65.
All right, like launching stuff out the window.
And I remember saying, hey, the snake is talking to him and they
literally just grabbed it and, and this thing was worth some
money too. Literally grabbed it and
launched this thing out the window.
It was like a Horcrux. What are you, Harry Potter now?
I don't. Know I don't know, it was crazy
it was weird it was weird but then again I was a child so
these things I dismissed because who knows what kind of
imagination I'm running with right and then again do.
You remember what it said? No.
No, not at all. I just remember it.
Do you remember how it sounded? Yes, it was like whispering, OK,
like a whisper, like a, like a. Have you ever tried to look it
up? Like the imagery of it or the
Sierra layer? But if I like what?
I don't remember the colors, I just remember.
I. Remember being very large, well
to you know, a young child very large and you know.
Like, all right, so you saw so that so that's young though,
dude. For you and having experience
younger than that in the same house, I just remember it was
this old shitty wood panelling, you know, like that 60s
seventies wood panelling that was up in a lot of houses back
in the day. And I remember and, and maybe
again, this is just that, me being a child imagination.
I remember looking at all the designs in the wood and seeing
things in the wood and then hearing them whisper to me as
well. Not the same way the snake did.
But again, these things could just been a child's imagination.
Have you ever been? Have you ever got a CAT scan?
Yes, you have. Yeah, I actually have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is?
Your brain show. It was non existent.
Normal. Activity, I guess like it was
just yeah normal activity, right normal activity so but yeah I
did I got really sick once and I had I had to get a bunch of
tests but yeah I got 1 and. They, I mean I asked some
doctors or some paranormal psychologists and investigators
start from a place of a medical. Background.
Yeah. You don't have any like
schizophrenia? No.
No, nothing like that. Nothing like that.
I don't hear things I need to, you know.
You hear shit, but it might be real Ghost I.
Mean well, that's. The thing so we don't know what
it. Is like 90% of the time, like on
live, if I hear a disembodied voice, everybody hears it as
well, you know, It's not like one of those.
Things you've never heard. A disembodied voice that didn't
come. Or lately, I should say.
Or recently it's. It's mixed 'cause there's
sometimes where like like the phone mic just doesn't pick it
up and that could be a frequency thing, you know, But then there
are other times when it does. And then there's other times
when people hear things and I don't hear it and I'm like, what
are you guys hearing? But I'm not hearing that right
now. And like everybody in the chat
is like John something just said your.
Name. But you, you don't know.
I guess my question is you don't know whether you heard it in
your things that aren't picked up on the mic.
You don't know whether you heard it in your head versus whether
it was actually out in the world for the world to hear and just
so happened didn't get picked. Up on the mic, yes, yes, that's
the thing. And I like, I love the way you
said that, 'cause you have to put that in.
You have to. You don't know the auditory
responses and the visual responses that you're getting
while you're out in the middle of the woods, for example, in
isolation, no one around you in the middle of the night, your
imagination can run wild. What's your setup when you go
out? So you have this phone you have.
Another 2 phones what's recording so here I'm I'm I'll
show you right now OK, that's this phone I actually frequent
and then these are the phones that I use for vox and ghost
tube usually, but I but I do switch it up with other apps
too. So like for example if I fire up
ghost tube. Which is the one that's not the
radio. That's this.
One OK, let's use the non radio. One that's this one and if you
see that green bar on it all right good it went down it's not
going off right OK, perfect because that's when you get
cross contaminations from electronics oh wait a minute
hold on let me disconnect the I have it on the Bluetooth speaker
disconnected all right start. So what's recording you?
TikTok. Oh, just just the one thing.
Just the one thing is recording. Well, I mean look, one thing we
should suggest is maybe start bringing a device so you know,
they make things like this even smaller.
Easy just to have a separate back.
Yourself up back, back. Yeah, yeah.
And see for that audio what's going to just start testing
what's going on with your magic self.
You might be getting dude, I don't know what's going to
happen. You might get an owl coming in
giving you an invite. I know you know what I mean like
through the fireplace soon. I know if this gets violent
because. So so.
But I'll tell you something like real crazy.
My driver Frank is scared shitless of all this, right?
Can't nothing paranormal. All right, we're going to take
it. We have to take a stop.
Your driver, Frank, my driver. Please tell me about this and
why you have a driver. Well, I don't drive.
Well, I don't. I know, but it's sort of so.
But do you have a regular person?
So yeah, yeah, I have a regular person, person that drives me
around from spot to spot to spot.
I was spending up to up to almost $2000 a week depending on
where I was going on Ubers. So you're just hired, you have
yourself your own personal valid so now.
I have my Yeah, Yeah. So now it's like, all right,
well, let me, let me. I'll give you X amount a month
to drive me around when I need you to.
It's not like you need to wait. You drop me off, You come back
and pick me up. And who is he?
How old is he? Some older guy you know.
You know. I know him, yeah.
Yeah, you know my friend Frank, you've met him before.
If you say he's the bald dude, he looks Italian, but he's
really Cuban. How old?
How old is he? He's he's a year younger than
me. OK.
Yeah. You know, if you saw him, you're
going to be like, you're going to be like, Oh yeah, I'd seen
that guy before. So you got Frank driving you
around. He's freaked out.
He doesn't like what you do. And Frank hates, hates picking
me up at Buck Out. Like hates it cause at what
time? Does he have to get you?
Is that gonna be inconvenient? And he and he, usually it's,
it's between 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning.
No shit. So he.
Hates, hates picking me up. So one night he has got his, you
know, he's got the music blast and I can't remember what it
was. And I'm get, you know, I knock
on the window and I'm like, yo, just give me a second.
I gotta, you know, make sure I get my bag organized 'cause
everything's all flop floppy right now.
You'll organize my bag and you know, it's just, you know, he
was like, oh, yeah, yeah, no problem.
But he kept the music off. And then all of a sudden I heard
hello. So I turned.
I look at him and he looks at me and I'm like, I'm like, yo, I'm
like step out of the car for a minute.
He's like, no, I don't want to. I'm like, come on, step, step,
come on, stop being a pussy. Step.
Get out of the car. So he gets out and he's got the
door open still. I'm like, shut the door.
So you're not hearing the chime of the door.
He shuts the door and all of a sudden you just hear, hello,
Just throw shit in the trunk. Let's get the hell out of here.
You know, like, like bugging out.
He doesn't like, he doesn't like it.
And I wouldn't like it. Yeah.
And, and then I'm like, I'm like, Frank.
I'm like, this is what I deal with on a, on a daily when I
come here. Daytime, nighttime, it doesn't
make a difference. Buck Out.
I have not seen anything visual yet at Buck Out.
I'll be the first person to admit that I have not seen
anything visual where I'm like, oh, shit, that was the spirit.
I've heard more disembodied voices at Buck Out than I care
to, you know, even admit. Have you?
Ever other than the senator at the Firehouse, have you seen?
Spirits. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. All, all the time.
Compared to most people, yeah. Yeah, well, that's one of my
big, big issues. A lot of people feel that my
content is fake because of how many holy Grails I have.
Holy Grails being like, you know, holy grails of evidence.
I see. And it's like, I have a lot.
I mean, the most recent one was that I didn't tell you the story
about the woman. I saw the woman.
I saw the video. Is that the one you put where
it's like she's there and it looks like she's not there?
Yeah. And you put on Take that?
I saw that, yeah. And so I spoke to that woman
before I went live. I actually had a conversation
with her, very brief, very simple.
She I thought she was just a drug addict.
I thought she was somebody who was just on heroin, to be honest
with you. My first impression of her
Sunken in eyes, pale scare. Wait a minute.
She looked all cracked. You spoke to a person I spoke
to. To her, that what what I spoke
to her and very simple conversation.
Oh, I love it back here. Yeah.
It's so peaceful. That's why I come back here.
All right, Have a good day. That was it.
And then you. Then in she disappeared, and
then. And then I go, I set up live.
I set up live and we're watching her and I keep saying, yo,
that's not a spirit over there, that's a woman.
I actually I'm not sure how. Either I'm I'm.
Speaking to her and everyone's like John, no, that's a spirit.
She's disappearing and reappearing.
She's disappearing and reappearing and like, no, she is
not. I'm like, no she is not.
I spoke to her. That's a real person.
She's just a drug addict. Drug addicts don't disappear and
reappear, John. Then finally I not unless you
got some. Money.
Not unless you got. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So come to find out, after reviewing everything, I was
like, holy shit, the chat was right.
She's literally disappearing and reappearing.
She puffs off to a puff of smoke, I'm not sure.
And then reverts back. I'm not sure.
How either to to the spot? Where she was, which is actually
very a common thing that spirits do.
Almost like loops if you will. Who are we talking?
To who do you think's talking to us right now?
So I did a session earlier today and a spirit named Lucy came
through. I don't know if that's her
again, though, Kathy brought. Up a Lucy, Lucille.
Something like that. A a Lucy.
Came through and she has arthritis in her hands and she
was a seamstress. She did sewing.
So that's how we had a session here today at 12, that's what
and you got. All of that in at your session.
In that session, yeah. Told you that.
What you did for a living? Yeah.
So which is normal, you know, like a lot of those, the factory
sessions here in this room don't do as well because the spirits
aren't all like blood destruction, you know, it's more
like actual have you ever? Asked Have you do you ever have
cover random is it I didn't hear what she just said.
She might have said random. It sounded like she said Brandon
random or brand. Have you ever tried to figure
out like really get to like where are you?
What are you Why are you here? What do you want?
Where are you going once they? Come through, they have to come
through a certain way for me. It can't be broken up.
You know what I mean? Like once I so once I know that,
like they're responding to each question flame, you know, then I
know like like flame. What are they talking about?
They talking about the candles. Was there a fire?
Were they cold? Could be a million one things.
But once they're coming through and they're at like last night,
we go when we go to the building.
I have a surprise for you. I, I built a spirit box and
we're gonna, we're gonna test it out.
And I ran a test of it last night. 30 seconds.
And a woman named Annie comes through.
Annie, 30 years old, fluent conversation.
And then, and then I asked her a bunch of questions I was about
to get into like the, the good stuff.
And then she fizzled out. So there's windows.
Sometimes it's 20 seconds, sometimes it's 20 minutes.
Have they ever? Had a conversation with them
asking them about you, yes. Yes, all the time and like and
and. In what sense of like talking
like why me? Have you ever done the why me?
Why am I, the guy you're talking to, that I've?
Never that. I've never asked them.
I've never. Maybe we'll do.
That over at the we could. Let's get into it A.
Little bit with them and see like.
That I've move it, that I've never, I've never said, hey,
why? Why are you talking to me?
Like, why do you want to speak to me?
What is it about? I've never asked those
questions. Now on this app.
The. Did you buy like a voice pack?
So like but they choose which voice, you know what I'm saying?
Like so. There's a random.
Selection of voices. But you're not 'cause I like the
phone for anybody. No one could see this, but the
phone is on the other side of this table here.
No one's touching it. It's doing its own thing and I'm
just sort of curious. So basically they're they.
There is a set amount of voices on this app and the spirits are
apparently choosing which voice they was.
Cause a guy's voice or a whisper can come through at any time, at
any time, at any. Time, which is also, you know,
and and and that leads it up to interpretation as well.
Like how accurate are the spirits?
Is the and? Is the app randomizing it or
not? Is the app well?
Well, that's the other thing. And this is these are the
dangers of these apps. You, you don't know if, because
think about it, if you're developing an app for, for
talking to spirits and even if it's a legit, even if it's
legit, let's say you actually have a legit app that speaks to
spirits. What's stopping the developer
from tweaking the code for word prompts?
But just to get you hooked, just to.
Get you hooked just to just to add in a little a little bit of
security, if you will, to the legitimacy.
There's so, but they still. Seem to be speaking I mean
they're saying you're they say my how is it too and all it's.
Insane how much they say my name and one of them.
Said my name once. I mean, is it really listening
to? Is the app listening to?
Then throw it back at us. Suit.
Now that is where my style of documentation is very important.
One thing I don't do, and especially at cemeteries, is I
never say the Spirit's name like John.
Hello, what's your name so? This.
That's the app. That's the app.
Yeah, Is this the? Radio One, or this is the one
we're doing. That's the radio.
One that's the one you. Like more.
That's the one I. Like, more, Yeah.
So, you know, I don't say a spirit's name.
I refuse to because just in case, there is code on that app
that'll regurgitate that name, so I refuse, but we we've.
Said Edward 100 times. But that's.
Edward. Edward.
You know what I mean? Like that?
I've been, I've been documenting Edward for years.
So at this point, it's like if you're going to say the name or
not, it's still going to come through.
These are for like new spirits that I've never spoken to
before. You know, like when that spirit
Lucy came through, OK, Said my name.
She said my name is Lucy. No one said the name Lucy.
Nobody that you know. Nope.
We weren't even talk. I didn't even know that.
Certainly. Not that's in it.
Yeah, I went there. Not today.
But I mean, Kathy brought it up. She brought, you know what I
mean? But that was that was two weeks
ago, 3 weeks ago and we weren't. Using any of these?
That's right. We didn't and remember.
And remember, all my equipment was actually already at.
Yeah, we didn't. Use the voice box here.
We didn't use the. Because it was all out the
building and everything was there for that because we were
going to use it there when we got that's right.
So this phone wasn't even there. It wasn't even here that day.
I know you're here. I know you're here.
Can you say hello to my guest? Why do you like talking to John?
Why do you talk to him? Why him?
What am I doing? You get sucked up in it because
it's something weird. Yeah.
It's very weird, but that that's, that's one of the things
that I, I make sure I don't do is say the Spirit's name,
especially at cemeteries, I wait, I wait for them to say it.
And if they don't say it, then they don't say it.
Now do you think if I. Turn it on a my phone.
Will they? Will it come through both
phones? It technically?
Should they do usually so the data I have on that is that
spirits will go back and forth between between devices.
It's this one, right? Yeah, that's.
Fox So that's the other one I didn't pay.
For anything, this is like the basic sort of business, sorry,
so. Then we the only thing how do I
set it up so you can't if you if you didn't pay for anything, all
the settings are locked. So what?
What but. Is it ready to go?
It's ready to go. Start talking.
It's ready to go. And we have about 300 megabytes
of of that it's will willing to use.
So I got to turn the sound on, yeah.
So we just can't play with the settings now.
Oh, I've got a reverb on it or something.
Yeah, we. Can't.
We can't touch it because we got to pay for it.
You want me to turn mine on? Let's.
Just see what happens. Maybe they'll start talking to
each other. Oh, that happens.
Too, That's a very, very, very common thing.
Yeah, they speak to each other. And here's the crazy thing.
And, and, and this this got brought up a bunch of times.
The two apps you're running right now are made by the same
company. OK, OK, so one can argue someone
like me and you would both argue they're working together.
They have code that's making them communicate with each other
like Furbies. That seems OK.
That seems very high tech. OK, even more high.
Tech than normal, yeah, but it's.
Still. But it's still it's easy code
for for the for these app developers.
So what happens right So. Anybody listening?
Any reverb spirits or is the sound coming through my phone
because I didn't pay for any extra sound box or voices You
can pay. For it to affect the actual.
So yeah, yours is actually going to be really different because
when you pay the the 1199 a year or whatever it is, you can
change the reverb, the echo to distortion and you can turn off
the setting that right now as we speak, nothing's going to come
through because it knows we're speaking and it doesn't want to
talk over us. You can turn that off with the
with the with the paid. You see, watch, you see, look,
you see it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You see how it cuts it off? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's with that. But what happens if you take a
completely different app made by a completely different
programmer, especially a competitor 1 You know they're
not going to have any codes when you're going to work here.
You you worked here. You said that.
She worked here before, yeah. What did you do?
Here. I know you told them before, but
what? Why are you telling Johnny you
worked here? What do you want him to know
about why you worked here and why him?
My ghost is creepier dude so. Nice, I'm so nice.
Is that the reason 'cause you're nice?
I'm telling you right the now if you haunt my phone, it.
Doesn't. If you just cursed my phone with
ghosts, listen. If they anything, you get an
attachment, but they're gonna. Attach to my phone.
Well, if you let them, can. You repeat.
You got to be like, no, you, I don't want.
It to attach. I don't want anybody leaving any
ghost business on my phone. There you go.
I want. No, I want to have my phone
ghost free. You got it.
You should be good. You could talk.
Through it but do not stick and halt my phone.
I love my phone so. Unless you're going.
To give me the wordle answers faster if I turn around.
If I turn around and put a competitor's app on, then what
happens? I don't know, you told.
Me. Oh, yeah.
And what happened? I could tell.
You this they still talk to each other OK so it's.
Still with you? If it still comes through, they
still talk. To each other and it's insane
and it's like wait a minute OK, that doesn't make sense because
there's no way that they're gonna the same developer that
developed that app developed that app right so it's so easy
for them to put that code in like oh, if you yes it's.
Easy. I don't know.
Let's just assume it is because neither one of us are coding.
Yeah, no, but. It's when it comes down to it,
if they can do all this, they can do do that too.
But when a competitor's app forget about it, then it's a
different story. Then it's like, wait a minute,
how the hell are these spirits having two having the same
conversation from two different phones with two completely
different apps that have nothing to do with each other?
Is there anybody? In the family that has has had
this gift or curse listen my. Mother and I love my mother to
death. Then she says a lot of things
like oh, this person does this, this person does that, this
person has this, this person has that.
But like I'm saying, is it? Hereditary from somewhere?
I think so. Any, any, any, anything that
she's ever like shown me about that bullshit, You know, like
it's like, Nah, there's nothing, nothing compares to like what I
do at this level. You know, you get what I'm
saying? I'm trying to be egotistical.
It's just the truth, right? But she.
So, but your mother thinks that the ghosts come from her?
Her size. Grandfather's side, yes,
however. However, though, wasn't wasn't
Gracie into the the the what's it called?
I'm pretty goddamn sure at one point Gracie was all into that
Italian witchcraft shit. I don't know.
If those guys ever they the the. The the Malokey and the what?
I'm being serious. I'll be You got to ask.
You got to ask. You got to ask Granny, maybe.
We'll talk to her about it. I guess she's see what she says.
'Cause I'm pretty sure, I don't know, maybe it's just as a child
seeing all the things in my house.
Well. It's like, you know, like.
I remember these things, but like, I don't know, it's just
where I I growing up talking to everybody.
There was nothing about spirits or ghosts until I started
documenting. That's all I'm thinking.
Well. Let me look.
That's what I'm saying. Do you remember?
Do you? Remember anything about anything
like that? But you couldn't.
Even have done this 10 years, 20 years ago.
Well, I was. I started doing this when I was
18. My first actual official thing
was across the street. Well, you were.
Recording. Well, we oh, you were using like
a basic. Yeah, using.
Basic stuff, but you weren't. Talking to ghosts like on this
level, no. No, because the IT was all
playback. It was all you just put the
recorder down, ask your questions and then listen to it
after and see if it was it was more of let's see what answers
you rather than let's have a fluid conversation.
All right, so I have two. Questions one Where do you want
to go to dinner? Wherever.
I actually have you ever heard of Giovanni's no where?
Is it? It's actually.
Right behind you. One of my followers dropped off
to wedges earlier. It's an Italian.
It's a chicken cutlet balsamic. Oh, really?
Yeah. If you want it, you can have it,
But we or we can go eat somewhere.
I'm fine with that. It's whatever you want to do.
Yeah, well, let's go. Out to eat.
I mean, I thank you for that. I mean, but like, let's let's
go, let's go eat somewhere. The second question is how do we
heighten your medium abilities if they exist?
Some. Exist I'm I want to push that
boundary and then to the port. What?
How do we amp up the medium juices in you to get us?
I don't know to help us get answers honestly you.
Wanna you wanna amp up the medium juices?
Probably running 2 miles a day in the morning right now.
You think it's? Related to Hell no.
But, well, actually, actually down.
Here's the real crazy thing. I think it's related to magnetic
fields and magnetic fields are related to health.
But here now, did you hear about the tick debacle when I got bit
by the tick? Yeah.
So I got severely sick from allergic reaction just for a
tick bite that I had for four hours.
It's the 23rd, 23rd of December 2024 so I've never been bit by a
tick before and I used to work outside what?
Were you getting less? Were you getting less stuff or
more stuff? I wasn't getting less stuff.
I actually cleaned the grave the next day and it was a really
good, good live when I went. And this is what blew my mind
when I went to the doctor and they did, you know, the initial
test, they took my blood pressure and I haven't had my
blood pressure taken in, you know, I haven't had my blood
pressure taken in, you know, God knows how long, maybe 10 years.
OK, Like I don't go to the doctor like that.
So they took my blood pressure and she looked at me and she
goes, you really drink 3 monsters a day?
And I'm like, yes, dude, that stuff.
Is disgusting. I know it's you can't drink and
she goes. You really smoke a pack of
cigarettes a day and I'm like, yes, she goes, your blood
pressure is amazing. And I said, I don't know how it
run. It's bad in my family.
Like, you know, it, it's not, you know, blood pressure is a
really bad issue. Like, yeah, I, I, I should not
have amazing blood pressure, but I do.
So I don't know if I just have a really healthy, strong heart
that illuminates my magnetic field and allows this stuff to
happen. Well, imagine if if I.
Didn't I know? Imagine if you.
Lost. Yes.
Imagine if. You lost a few pounds and you
got super healthy and what, what, what kind of signals?
What would happen? Well, dude, for.
Science. For science, you need to find
Yeah. The spirits aren't going to call
me fat anymore. Well after the.
Holiday. But then they'll call you
something else. Yeah, I know.
Right? That way.
That's quite ugly. Yeah.
Yeah, right. Now you just now you're just now
you're just an ugly boy, but you know you're a good.
Looking dude, I mean, it's like if you you know, but it's like
the weight is not going to last that kind of weight.
You got to lose a little weight. You're getting old.
I worry about hell yeah as we discuss how to diet before we go
to an Italian. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, right, I think. We got to amp up your medium
ability and really play up. If there is a medium ability
dude. But we got.
To test it because it's like this is all part of the test
because if you're. There's something there, I think
they'd be funded. Yeah, dude, more than just
haunted. He's a magnet for you.
Yeah, but it's like. That's that is true like that.
I can't I used to deny that if you and you if you ask any of my
followers back in the day, I'd be like, no, I'm not a medium or
a psychic. I don't attract spirits this,
but guess what? Followers, I think he's a
medium. Yeah, yeah.
Might not be a psychic yet, but he might be a medium by.
My now if you want to talk about that for a minute.
Please I. Believe in the multiverse.
I believe that our and now this is going to get this going to
get down a rabbit hole conversation like everything.
Everywhere all at once, so. So thank you.
So, so I I believe in the multiverse and I believe that we
are connected via our magnetic fields on a quantum level to
ourselves in the multiverse is that.
Different than? Do you think that's different
than these spirits? No.
No, not at all. Do you think?
They're alive somewhere else is my question I guess.
It depends on the flow of time, but possibly if if another
universe time moves different or it's or it's defined as
something different than quite possibly yes.
So these. So these spirits might not be.
Might not be dead in another universe.
How would they be talking to this and why?
What are they talking through? What universe are they in that
they can be? So think of it.
Like this, right? Deja vu, Yes.
Have you ever? I saw the matrix?
Have you ever? Experienced deja vu?
Sure. I think everybody has.
Everybody has, right? What is deja vu?
What is it? What is it?
It's the feeling. Of oh this has happened to me
now, yes, correct. Right.
However, what if that Deja vu is because of yourself in the
multiverse? Yeah, it it, it didn't happen to
you. It happened to another version
of you. But we're all connected, you
think, But we're all I. I, I firmly believe we are all
connected And so like I, I'm really good at interpreting the
future from that. Like I get constant Daydream
deja Vu's. It's not even I've done it on
live. Hell, I did it during the brown
cemetery restoration. So there was a tree that looked
like it was going to come down. OK, OK.
And I'm looking at it and I shook it and it wasn't there
yet. It wasn't there yet.
And then I'm like, I'm not going to worry about it the next day.
I get there. I'm working in there also.
And I look at the tree and I doze off.
You see me on live, just stop working.
And I doze off because I do that.
Sometimes I think it's because of my ADHD, but maybe it's
something else. And then I all of a sudden stop.
I look at my phone and look at the phone and go, we're taking
that tree down today. That tree is coming down.
So I called up my buddy and I'm like, hey, you got a chainsaw.
I need you to come over here. I need to take this tree down.
He's like, I can't do it today, we have to do it tomorrow.
I'm like, this tree is coming down regardless.
I'm like, whatever, if it destroys a headstone, I'll fix
it. You know, I can't take it down
today. The next day we get there, half
tree came down. Luckily it missed all the
headstones. Everybody was like, holy shit,
how did you know that? And I'm like, I literally
daydreamed it. I daydreamed it happening at the
Deja Vu moment. Maybe you're more like, but it
wasn't. Me.
But that was the other thing too.
Like what I saw happening. It was a thinner me, OK?
I had long hair like it wasn't me.
Like that tree came down fully for somebody else and only
partially came down for me is what I'm getting at.
Well, maybe you're. Just like this diamond in the
rough of the psychic medium world because you haven't been
trained properly in order to saying I can't.
Join the Jedi Order? Maybe not.
Maybe or. You're like the goodwill hunting
of paranormal as opposed to like the tech worlds.
You know what I mean? Because you're not like trained
as a, as an, an academia. I wonder who we can get to run
you through tests. Maybe you're an alien.
Maybe. Listen.
No, but like. Maybe this day and age, but
maybe we, you know what? Maybe we're going to find out
the drones. How do we get?
You like a baseline. We need a baseline psychic
medium test. There is no, that's the problem.
There is, there is somebody. Does these tests on people, but
can you trust? Them so.
Maybe it would be fun to somehow if we were I'm.
Sorry to cut you off if we were able to get multiple different
tests, but yeah, but. We'd have to.
That's a different. Story, but there's a lot of.
Different ways to do it, but like testing maybe in order to
find out, it seems like this in order to find out what ghosts
are, we may need to 1st find out what you are like.
And really I hope I'm human and just like, how are you doing it?
And maybe that is the trajectory of this.
And with that I can tell you. This my mood effects it too.
That's another. That's another thing I'm
discovering well when you're on your.
Period. I'm sure it affects that changes
everything if. I'm in a bad mood, dude.
Let me tell you something. If I'm on, if I'm on, if I'm in
a bad mood, I am. It is like all all you hear is
spirit chatter. Caution, caution.
All you hear is spirit chatter. You just hear this random spirit
chatter that kind of puts together a story, but it's
nothing like something actually responding to me when I'm when
I'm you're stupid do full. Moons affect you at all, no?
In fact, I've had some of my best conversations on New Moons.
OK, interesting, but it's a mix. It could be a full mix that.
You've never noticed a change in any I was I.
Was at one point in time my my third year.
No, I'm sorry. On my second year, close to the
end of the second year of doing this, I started paying attention
to the moon phases, the tides, the everything, everything.
Like I go on my phone, I check to see what everything is listed
as percentage wise, write it down and then go.
And then the next day I go, same thing.
And I'd see if there was any correlation with anything and it
is completely random. And then I realized the one
factor that I wasn't incorporating was myself.
And then I started paying attention and I realized if I
was in a shit mood where I didn't feel like talking to the
spirits and I just wanted to chill and I didn't do that, that
it just wasn't the same as if I was actually wanting to speak to
the spirits. Basically.
I have to be in the mood. Yeah, like a lady.
He has to be in the mood. I have to be in the mood.
No, But it, dude, OK. I just can't.
Perform, you know, I have to, I have to be in the mood all right
with. That Let's go get something to
eat. OK?
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