Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a podcast hosted by me, Gary and
my nephew Johnny, where I follow Johnny as he tries to prove his
theory that ghosts are the fractured memories of the
living. We have a jam packed episode for
you today, over twice as long as the others.
In part three with Kathy Nadal, our friend, author, psychic and
medium, Kathy goes with Johnny to his fireplace room where we
get some big spirit energy. Edward, the ghost we love to
hate, has some nasty things to say as usual and the vibes are
so intense an object flies off the wall.
Kathy, who can be found on Instagram at Catwitch NYC, also
brings US one step closer to figuring out what is going on
not only with the spirits, but with Johnny as well.
Again, we have a lot in this episode, so let's not waste any
more time listening to me ramble on and dive into the
conversation. Yes, I'm in a beach chair.
Nothing, nothing but the best for you, Kathy and.
That's an expensive that's an expensive high class beach chair
my. Top shelf, nothing shelf.
I bet you didn't realize. My fat ass so.
I bet you didn't realize what you were in for Kathy.
We got nothing but the best have quality furniture in our haunted
basements. I can't believe it, though.
When we got in here, we were just setting up and I said, So
what happened when you were sleeping?
I said that somebody touched you, you were sleeping.
He said no, that happened here. So do you remember at the I
didn't bring it up at the office because I wanted to wait till we
were here when she said, hey, you know, you were sleeping and
somebody, you know, tapped you on your shoulder and, you know,
woke you up, that was here. Whatever you got going on, I do
feel like you woke up when you were sleeping one night and you
felt like someone touched you. And I feel like they touched
your shoulder like a tap. And I feel like there's an
awakeness, but I feel like you doubted yourself.
But I do feel like you think that you got touched where you
live, in your house, in your bed, and you feel like, did that
really happen? It was, you know how I do the
shots for coins and you send me a certain amount of money on
live and I take a shot. That night I was reaching my
limit. I might have had like 3233
shots. It's all for science, by the
way. I lined up a couple more shots,
took them, ended up passing out and something woke me up here.
I woke up saying oh wait. Like something like tap me and
I'm like, oh, wait, you know, yeah.
So it's the UUU we moment and that's what you were referring
to. And then when we came down here,
she said it. She was like, this is where it
happened. And I'm like, yeah.
Also this though that story she she felt it in your office but
it happened in this location. But it happened in this
location. All right, so Kathy, when you're
like. I don't need to be at a place
because it's all connected to him.
So he's, he's the connection. OK, So these people could be on
Bucket Road or wherever they are, they might stay over there,
but I'm able to communicate with them because of him.
So if you took him out of the road, out of the room, they may
not show up. All right, so then what, if
anything, are you feeling anything just being in this
place? Well.
Yeah, I was gaining that it would be a cold place.
So energetically, I was convinced that this place is
cold and it's not the temperature of the room, it's
the energy associated with the room.
I could. I would get up and get the fuck
out. But Gary, I was an Iraq.
I'm not afraid of anything there.
You go. You guys are nuts.
I mean, OK, Johnny Tatlice. All right, So now, Johnny, just
like when you Johnny, do you ever feel anything like, are you
feeling about that? Yeah.
So I feel the way I describe it is atmospheric.
I, I, my environment around me, I'll feel like, like heaviness,
as in like the whole area will get heavy on me.
And the way I describe it and I describe it in my lives is the
VAT of jello. As funny as it sounds, I feel
like in this room, like I'm in a VAT of jello.
And if there's any sort of disturbances, think of how you
would feel if you were in the middle of a jello and something
flick the outside of it. You know, you'd, you'd feel it.
And that's what what I feel, you know?
So I think what he's bringing up is he feels vibrations.
Yeah, he's feeling vibrations. So like we were walking down the
driveway and he says I'm not a psychic, I don't have any.
I don't have any feeling of this.
Like he doesn't believe that he has psychic ability.
I believe everyone has a certain level of psychic ability.
He may not be acknowledging that he has psychic ability, but I
believe he does. He may be trying to block it,
but now he's forced to confront it.
And that's why I feel he has this past life that he's been on
a battlefield and everything is confronting.
He's in conflict all the time with the with the ghosts or the
past life combined. The the logical person in me
does not want to admit that this.
Room to me though, and it it has nothing to do with the chair I'm
sitting in. It feels very limited.
The ceiling feels like it's coming down on me and it's not.
You want to switch would. You remark.
It's just like, I feel like, I mean, we can stand up and you
could see there's plenty of room to stand up in this room, but in
in me, it feels like it's squeezing us down.
So Johnny feels very jello like, like he feels kind of cushiony
in this. I feel more compression.
I feel like the ceiling is coming down on us kind of in a
squeezing that. Well, well, with the whole jello
thing that's in that's everywhere as far as here, no,
here I feel, and and my followers can attest to this.
Here I feel compressed, closed in.
I don't want to be here. I stopped streaming down here
for a multitude of reasons, that being one of them.
Yeah, this. Site feels like it's coming down
on us this. Place, you know, just to give
you just, you know, I'm not going to give you a full batch
story, but yeah, I'm not going to give you anything.
But as far as like as you know, what I do and whatnot and I have
a whole community that I built on TikTok.
This place almost destroyed that community.
We've talked about this 100 times here already, where Johnny
would keep a fixed rig camera in this room and apparently his
audience would go absolutely bananas.
Yeah, so maybe we. Can start doing what we can do
here. Yeah.
So yeah, you want to start are. We doing the same thing.
The same thing. What do you feel?
What do you got? Everything, Yeah.
Well, I just keep saying a very a symbol that I don't like.
I see a symbol for a snake or a serpent and that means like
trickery or people that are doing tricks.
And it actually feels a little bit like maybe it's affected
current people that live in the building, Like maybe people
complain about another neighbor or neighbors are fighting or
something. But it does feel very serpent
like where someone will look very friendly or it look like
they're like sitting there like, oh, that snake is dead, but yet
the tongue comes out and bites you.
So there's something very much snake like about that.
There's also like a very weird reference that I can't like
someone either lived in the building that was part of like
the Lions Club or some kind of an organization like the Lions
Club or whatever. But there's some kind of a
reference to like someone holding a high position or being
part of a secret club or like a club in some way.
I don't know why, but I feel a little bomb shelter like, but it
does feel like I'm in a bomb shelter or there's some kind of
a reference. So either someone went to war in
this building or someone came home from war or whatever.
But I feel a little like I want to bring up a bomb shelter
reference. Someone's Joseph for Josephine,
but I keep wanting to bring up this Jos like Joseph, Josephine.
I don't know if it's one of the ghosts or anything, but I just
feel like I want to mention that name and yeah, that secret club.
I don't know. It's like, I don't know what
that is. I don't know if there's like a
Masonic temple kind of relation. It's some kind of a secret club
or something, or somebody's connected to a secret club.
Does any of this make sense? To you.
And it's interesting. The secret, the secret club
thing is, is is wild. I'll get into that because
that's where it gets. So it's kind.
Of interesting to me because I have to very precisely say that
I see like George Washington on a dollar bill.
So there's a reference in this room that either you put money
out or you thought that somebody took money, but there's a theft
of money in this room. And I'm saying like a George
Washington on the dollar bill. So it's actually feels like it's
a dollar bill, kind of a losing money reference.
And I don't know if you've talked to the guy named Sam, but
there's a Sam or a Samuel. There is a Samuel.
Yeah, I think there's a connection there.
Big connection, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy.
And you know, it's weird though, because I'm standing here, like
facing the camera. They're telling me to turn
around. So something's behind me.
Yeah, no, it's. How do you pass Samuel make you
feel? Samuel, I don't like him.
He's the one that's he's telling me there's something in the
other room, someone would you understand, teasing you or
something. But they're saying like you
should give the guy a tie, like a long straight tie.
So whatever Samuel's been involved in, he has to make some
comments, like being a proper dress man or something.
He's kind of mocking you, like why don't you put a tie on or
something? But there's you have something
to do with this room that's next to where we're standing.
Well, that room completely was a huge part of my life at one
point. Well, he's talking about you
being in that room and he's talking about you working on
wood and he's showing me like you have a nail and a hammer.
You made stuff or you were making furniture or something in
that room. But he said he was watching you
working on things with tools and and hammering and nails and
whatever. But he was watching you do all
that work in that other room. And he said, you know, you never
took a break. You should have had a meal.
You will you forget about eating when you're in this room or
something because he says you didn't get, you didn't get a
break. There's another name like Frank
or Franklin or some kind of a Frank name.
And I don't know why that's coming up.
And whatever the water is, it has something to do with this
building. But they also said one of them
is connected to a river. So they said throw them in the
river. Somebody is like a murderer.
Somebody threw someone in the river, or someone got rid of
somebody and threw them in the river.
It's like tossing a body. So I don't know if it's one of
those guys. They're here for you.
You're the connector. Honestly, if somebody else was
here, they may not even see anyone or talk to anybody.
That's what I get. You're the connector.
I think this goes back to your days on the train.
I think that they found you as an attachment going back to the
days on the train. And there's some guy that wears
a Navy hat. Some guy was like wearing a Navy
hat. Navy hats are very different.
And this one looks very much like he's it's not a sailor hat,
but it's a Navy hat. I have to draw a picture of it,
but it's a dark blue hat and it's a Navy hat.
There's also a little bit of a comments on you were here.
I don't know what is this? They're saying you were here on
New Year's Eve and they said there's a significant thing
about you being in this room on New Year's Eve.
They know it was New Year's Eve. They're showing me like a New
Year's Eve hat that says happy New Year on it and they want to
bring it up. Do you understand?
That do you understand? That yeah.
And they said they were here during that.
That was the that was the what to say.
The turning of the tide, if you will.
They're talking about something that happened outside the
building. I have to justify this.
It was snowing. There was a lot of snow and
there was a problem on the property with two neighbors or
two tenants and it has something to do with clearing of the snow.
And it was a big fight. And they is that correct?
They want to. That was actually a very
significant, significant thing that happened here while I was
here is super so. They want to bring that up
though, because that goes back to the serpent symbol.
Yep, Yep, 100%. That's right.
These people have this. Yeah.
What is it? What?
I was wondering, I was wondering if she if you were going to pick
up on that. What is it?
That's actually quite wild. What is it, John?
Tell, tell the story, can you? So should I get into it now?
Because if I'm going to get into it, I'm going to get into it
want. To keep going, yeah.
Keep going. Yeah, keep going.
Keep going. There's something about.
I don't know if I could say this, so I'm just going to say
it. Say it please.
There's a triangle in this building.
So it's you and two other people.
So what is the triangle? It's you against these two
people. There's like I keep seeing a
triangle. There's two people in the
triangle. Yeah, they're not alive, but
yeah, yeah, there is. You could.
You could call it a triangle. You could call it a an
opposition if you will. Did you also have some kind of a
connection to someone being from Scotland or Scottish?
Wow, What's? What's Wow?
Keep going. It's not no connection with me,
it's a connection with this place.
Yeah, it it's kind of interesting because I have to go
back in time, but there's someone that was like an
originator here and they have big feet or they make boom boom
boom when they walk and. Pompous like huh?
Big feet boom boom, boom, and it's very much like the people
are afraid of that person. Yes, they are.
And it's like someone who's walking around holding like a
hand grenade, threatening people, like I'll just pull the
pin any chance I get. Like that sounds like it's very
much like that. And it's interesting because
there's like a real, there's a. Can you picture his face?
Well, I, I have to tell you what I see, he has a real life
quality to him. So he was a real person at one
time and he gives me this feeling that he didn't realize
what he was doing. He thought he was plugging
holes. He was plugging holes, he was
making fixes. So instead of fixing it the
right way, he would just plug the hole.
He didn't do things the right way and he was just plugging
holes. He's very tall and his, I guess
he has a bit of a high hair or like a high hair in the front
because it feels like he's either wearing a hat or he has
high hair. But I feel like I want to
mention the top of his head and he's a little kind of like a
maverick. He gives me a real maverick
energy. Like he just does whatever he
wants. Are you are you picturing him
younger or older? I don't know, maybe mid age.
OK, he's not a little boy at all.
This is a man that walks. Boom boom boom.
With his feet. Very arrogant.
No, like you wouldn't. Believe I'm 3000 miles away and
I want to run. Yeah, it's interesting.
This guy is a pistol. He's a pain in the neck.
He talks about things being two ways his way.
He's like he would do it my way. And he keeps showing me, wearing
boots. Feel like he's stomping his foot
like this. I'm stomping my foot now.
All right? I think I'm done.
Yeah. OK.
OK, well let me I'm going to show you a picture Now if you
had to age this person, the person from Scotland that you
saw, would that. Yeah, that's him.
That's him. That's him.
I don't know who this guy is, but when I saw him his hair is
darker. His hair was a bit more.
I saw him younger than this. Yeah, he was.
When he was here. He was a, he was, he was
younger. I mean, even when he was old, he
was here too. He was, you know.
He has. But there's no there's no
younger pictures of him, unfortunately.
Darker hair to me, but his Yeah, this is the guy with the face.
All right, so hold on. Let let me say this, because the
most prominent thing you spoke about was the serpent.
Let's talk about that real quick, and then I'm going to
fire up the spirit boxes. Everything you said did have
references or could have, because there's a lot of spirits
here. But the spirits here talk about
an order of the Serpent and it is a group of men, a secret
society that do that have done sacrifices.
Oh. My God.
Frank is one of those names led by this man.
Oh, wow. And that's why when you were
like, you know, the serpent, like deceiving on, like bringing
up the order of the Serpents, you're going to pick up that
like right off the bat, which is wild.
The spirits that it's come across on my spirit boxes all
the time back in the day, especially when I used to
document here hardcore. So that's wild.
Edward, his name is Edward. You're gonna hear from him soon
unless he decides to be a piece of shit and not say anything,
which is a possibility. He's from Scotland.
And what's funny is you bring up the whole like, you know, Jaws
and the whole, like, boat captain in his history.
He sailed up and down the Byram and Hudson rivers, basically
accumulating his wealth, selling wares and whatnot, and also in
the streets of New York City, panhandling.
So I wonder if he threw someone in the river.
Probably. Probably when you say.
Six shot. Six shot.
Well, yeah, when you, when you said, when you were talking
about all that, I was like, oh, that's right.
When you said Scotland, I was like.
Yes. OK, Johnny, tell me the
significance of New Year's Eve. So.
What was it? So that that's now I'm going to
get into all this with the order of the serpents and all that the
spirits here speak of, and this goes into the whole Greek
mythology and whatnot, speak of something called the Nexus.
OK, they call it the Nexus portal.
They say it's an old and as crazy as it sounds, they say
it's an old ancient portal that formed when the Earth started
rotating, as in it's tied to the Earth's magnetic field.
And they said it's here. It's actually out in the in the
driveway. According to the spirits,
there's a tunnel underneath the driveway and that goes into the
horses. I'll get back into all that
after. So this guy, Edward and this
order were supposedly sacrificing people, especially
children, especially ones that were displaced during the Civil
War and whatnot, and sacrificing them to this Nexus for power,
wealth, whatever. I don't know what what they were
doing, what they believed was going on, but this place was
extremely toxic. Even afterwards, even decades
afterwards. You talk about the fighting and
the way things were. This place was bad.
The woman that fell outside, when you talked about the
dispute between the two people, that wasn't sad, That wasn't a
debt with the snow, that wasn't a dispute.
There was an old woman here, one of the most pleasant spirits
that I have ever spoke to. I knew her in life because she
was still living here. She fell outside and cracked her
head open, and she survived, but she ended up dying a couple
months later. She survived the fall, but she
bled in the driveway. And that's what woke everything
up here. And that's what made this place
go fucking berserk. And it had to do with that
instant. So I was surrounded by
negativity when I mean, I mean negative, like everything here
was negative. The spirits were all the
spirits, almost like where they were affected by it, it was
negative. And then one day I said to
myself, what can I do? I have all these people watching
me. What can we do to counteract all
this negative shit? And I and I started doing what I
call the battle for Saint Jude. And it's when me and in my
community, we get together and we raise money for Saint Jude.
And it was on New Year's that we started it.
It was New Year's where we donated the money.
And just that act alone of all of us getting together shifted
this place, put the power back in my hands and I was starting
to be able to not be affected about it as much.
Let's just put it this way. If this was before that New
Year's, these candles would have been thrown at us already.
Mirrors would have got these mirrors here are that is the
second door mirror that's original to the building.
By the way, that's been shattered on live all right, the
spirits have just shattered that same thing that that's not an
original mirror either. That's that's that went up last
year, but when I had there was shattered.
I'll show you the video too. You know when we're done.
They, they used to be insane here.
Now that we shifted the balance or as the spirits, they shifted
the Nexus in in in our favor, things quieted down.
The only thing that remains still vile and violent is
Edward, and he comes through constantly.
And I guarantee we're going to hear him come through.
That's why I. Let's here, let's let's, let's,
let's do it. Let's do it.
And that's why I said at the office, I apologize in advance
for anything that he says. Well, Johnny sets up the voice
box apps. I want to remind everyone that
Kathy has officially made us question our belief system.
Or at least she's made me question mine.
This isn't some magic trick. She's dropping symbols and
specifics that would have taken weeks of research and years of
watching Johnny's live feed to know.
I'm excited to see what happens when the spirit boxes are on.
I'm excited to see if we get any ghost talking.
I'm really excited to hear what Edward has to say if he shows
up. And when I say I'm excited, I
mean I'm absolutely terrified. The ghost just said which and
that's going to be important later on.
Rest in peace. Rest in peace.
OK, I'll quite look.
Hello, spirits. Spirits, how many people are
sitting in this? How many people are sitting in
this room right now? I need you to speak a little
clearer, please. Am IA Ghost.
Yes. How is this?
Please? Sound like I heard the course
of. Who's this?
Would you like to introduce yourself?
Hi, my name is Kathy and I'm a professional psychic meeting.
I came to sit with Johnny in this but.
Each of the, and so on. Edward.
I heard someone ask am IA am IA ghost before.
Yeah, 111 of the spirits asked one of the if they were a a
ghost. That's that's a common thing.
I want to speak to Edward. It's to mine.
Another ruin. Crunching.
We're not going in another room. Maybe he wants me in another
room. Maybe.
Well I, I I just heard a swear saying leave here but through a
wire. Kathy, does it feel different
when you hear these sounds? Does it change the overall vibe
of the room? No, it feels the same to me.
Meteor, No, we're not leaving here.
Why do you want us to leave? And Kathy, do you, do you pick
up the same sort of vibe from a haunting as you would an
apparition in this, in the definition of what a haunting is
versus an apparition? I don't want.
I think for me apparition is actually seeing content ghost
like seeing it in front of you. Haunting to me is more like the
imprint of someone having lived their life.
Spirits is Edward here? Is that I'm.
Hope. Down where traveled.
Leave this place. Absolutely not, dude.
I would be up and out. Absolutely not.
That's. That's the voice Edward uses
full. I guarantee that's Edward coming
through right now. So what's the matter, Edward?
I also call him Cupcake, by the way.
Cupcake. Yeah, I gave him a nickname.
He doesn't like it very much. Right, Cupcake, they have.
Kathy, what is your feeling on taunting spirits?
I don't. I don't agree with taunting
spirits. I've just never done it.
Did you know? Ask them questions, you know,
I'm you know, this is their space.
I fight for the Nexus. I fight for the Nexus.
Really don't. You just hear what that just
said, fight for the Nexus, and it just said it just said turn
off. I agree with you by the way, I'm
not a fan of something spirits Edward on there the other hand
start shit with me, so I that's why I.
I always ask them about them or tell them that I'm here, I want
to learn from them. Yeah, I agree with you 100%.
I am not a fan of taunting spirits.
I think it's, it's just not something on the I get, I get a
lot of, by the way, a lot of people in the paranormal
community, they're all about taunting spirits and I don't
like. Undecided.
I don't like it either. Spirits, tell us about the
Nexus. It's interesting.
They said fight for the Nexus. Tell us about the Nexus.
Nexus. Nexus just said it again,
Edward, I think you're a little scared, man.
Wow. That's nice.
To talk. Well, talk to us.
We want to talk to you for once. I want to.
I want to introduce you to my friend Kathy.
She has a special gift. Hello Child.
Who wants to say something to me?
Tell me your name. I was now.
What's your name? Kathy, let me ask you something.
Of all the cases, the readings you've done, the places you
visited, what do you, what do you think is going on here with
John and his ability here to talk to spirits?
And you know, and sort of this theory of his that these are
spirits are attached, you know, their memories have been
dispersed and that's what he's dealing with versus a being on
the other side. How would you what would you
define what you're feeling and seeing and hearing?
I I could just, I'm preparing a lot of information that is going
on around him. Shall be.
And the information I have is what they're giving to me.
So I think it's connected to him.
I think if you brought in someone else, they wouldn't be
having these experiences. Hey.
Please. Try I I think it's of like what
you would call an attachment. Edward, be nice.
So what I feel is that whatever he did in his life, and I think
that he has a level of psychic ability and I feel like that
started when he was probably around 10 or 11 years old, may
not be aware of it. I do believe that when he
started travelling on the trains it feels more like there was
spirit activity around him then and he may have formed an
attachment with spirit that he hasn't manifested until he's in
a very infested area. So when you say when you use the
word attachments, I mean we've. It's like he's attached to the
Spirit. So is it the spirit itself or is
he like in another words we've been saying like maybe Johnny is
some sort of like we, we've been using the phrase tech medium
because it seems to be working through the tech somehow even
stronger than like unlike you who could be in the room and
you're getting them directly. He's getting them through the
tech or it's strengthening or heightening.
It is that I don't know if that's possible, but it is he
some sort of a nobody? Knows.
I mean, well, well, maybe Kathy knows.
Why don't you let me just ask you the question?
He just said nobody knows. Are you saying like his
connection could make him a medium in his own right?
Yeah, I think that. I think I believe in my life
that every living person has a level of psychic ability.
People may or may not embrace it.
Have you? Been before.
But I do feel like he has some. Follow.
You and I feel that the they're easy to connect with him because
he he probably does have medium qualities, but he doesn't use
them like I use mine. Or maybe he doesn't believe in
doing it the way I do it, so they communicate with him the
only way they know how and he's able to produce results by using
these spirit boxes. I do.
What I found out today. Why are you here?
I'm here to talk to you. I'm here thank you to validate
what Johnny's been going through because I've been able to
communicate with all the spirits that are connected to Johnny and
either Johnny's out on another location.
These spirits are around Johnny. So Johnny is the is the magnet.
They're magnified or they're connected to Johnny.
He's the magnet to them. Jesus, that's what I feel like.
So I feel like if you brought in, you know, another person,
you know, and they sat in front of the spirit box, maybe that
would be activity, but they wouldn't be able to create the
story around it. The way he's been able to do it
would be random voices. Like when I'm sitting here, I
never use equipment. I could barely make out what
they're saying half the time. But he's been able to create and
identify who you are. I know you're right here.
We're talking about you. So I don't know.
I mean, I think me being here is really important because if
anything invalidates the life he's been living and I'm sure
Johnny's life, doing this can't be easy.
I mean, he takes on a level of responsibility.
He takes on a level of frustration.
You know, he he's taking on a lot communicating with them
because, you know, I mean, it's I guess a form of entertainment.
But you know, the other side of it is you know they're there's
still validating their lives through him.
It could be a lot too. You're 100% correct.
It is a lot. That's why the lady in spirit,
when I was at the other location, kept sending him
hearts, talking about him having love in his life, you know, to
balance it out. You know, it's funny you say
that because I'll go to like a dark place, like Buck out, and
then the next day for like my noon session, I go to this
beautiful cemetery that overlooks the Atlantic Ocean in
Connecticut. I can't.
There's 3. It is.
There is three of them, but this one is the best spot to do it.
Oh, she's Johnny. Sorry.
Hold on. There's three.
We talked about this triangle before.
That's right, yeah. But that could also be the the
cemetery I'm talking about has three different levels.
One spot. Oh, wow, is overlooks the the
headstones and then the Atlantic Ocean.
It is the most peaceful place you can go and, like, detox
yourself. Yeah, as you know, as far as
like. We missed.
No, not yet. I just came here to meet you.
You are the only person on earth.
You're the only person on earth I know who would go to detox at
a cemetery, by the way. Yeah, we have a very different
definition of what it means to detox and relax.
I'm more about like, you know, resorts, pools, cocktails.
I'm in. The last one crack open a
monster and walk out at the water.
Oh my God. Wow.
But I do think, Gary, that this having me here validates the
spirits that he's been experiencing.
I do too. I mean, it's, it's something
the. Spirit boxes and all of that,
you know, just flat out, you know.
It's good to have a corroborating witness who feels
the same things that we're hearing.
Yeah, well, I like that I was able to get so much stuff
without any spirit boxes just coming in flat, you know?
Yeah, no. When you picked up on the whole
serpent, I was like, whoa, like, that's why?
Because that is something that has been spoken about in the
past and at great length. So the history here is is in
depth. There is a lot.
And this place has seen so many
people, so many faces. It had a lot of death.
Wow, yeah. So, but the whole serpent thing,
that's the most wild. Don't leave me.
Oh, where I'm I'm leaving soon. Oh.
My gosh. But that was the.
It's crazy, right? Like how clear and?
Like it is very clear, I know. Louder.
Yeah, it was loud. So that was actually the the the
turning point for me not documenting down here was my
daughter. Give it back.
My wife came down here with my daughter one time.
I was live. Stop recording.
No, we're not going to stop recording.
So she came down here and also give it back.
Edward started talking to her and you know, it was really
creepy. And I was like, I'm done.
I was like, I'm done with this place.
I did it for three years. I documented it.
I got all the information I I'm going to get.
I was like, it's not. I don't want something that vile
speaking to my daughter. What was he saying?
He was like, hello, little girl, how are you?
What are you doing? You know, it was it, but it was
it was the tone. Everything was just so creepy.
Wow. It was like not yes, yes, you
were. Don't even don't even see even
that spirit saying it. And even I mean right there,
even another spirit was like, yes, that happened.
He's saying no and the other spirits like yes, Wow.
Because the other spirits here don't like Edward either.
I mean, obviously. So, Edward, why did you do that?
Yeah, and we're we're not on TikTok.
We could. We could fully talk about that
right now. Why don't you talk to me now?
Don't be shy about it. You're proud about the things
you've done. Am IA Ghost.
I don't know, are you? Is he being extremely quiet
because I'm here? Really.
Well, and I also have another theory too, because it's not
just you. Like if like I have somebody
with me and I believe this has to do with my magnetic field,
they get less, they get less, they don't talk as much.
It's the weirdest thing. Like if I can have another
random person here who has nothing to do with anything,
they'll still. Clamp down.
They'll talk a little bit, but not as much as normally if I'm
just sitting here by myself, and I think that has something to do
with my magnetic fields. What does that mean?
Your magnetic. Fields So you know how people
talk about oh, your energy, your energy, your energy.
The only energy we really do scientifically is our magnetic
field. We permanate a magnetic.
Rest in peace. To seven feet.
These two are talking about magnetic fields while a
disembodied voice says to rest in peace.
I mean what the what? Magnetic fields so you're I want
you to go so you're we understand we're not going to be
here too long spirit so look why did.
You come. We we came to talk.
To you, why did you come? Yeah, we came to talk to you.
But listen, I got it's funny you I got bit by a tick.
I had a tick a couple weeks ago and I'm I didn't know this.
I'm extremely allergic to tick bites.
I had no idea. So I had to go.
I had to go to the doctor because I just wasn't feeling
right and I pulled a tick out myself.
It wasn't in there long. It didn't have to be in there
long. I just had an allergic reaction
to it. I still have the wound on the
phone and it's healing horribly. And that's because I'm allergic
to it. And anyway, I don't and I and I
get my blood pressure taken now. I smoke cigarettes, I drink
energy drinks. I do eat, but I eat a.
Lot. Yeah, you're a picture of
health. OK, I'm not exactly.
I am not a picture of health. I am like horribly unhealthy.
I go get my blood pressure done. Fucking get it.
The reading comes back. They took it twice.
They could not believe how good my blood pressure was for
someone my size and my history and be having an allergic
reaction to this tick in the way I was.
They couldn't believe it. And I was like, I understand.
I choked around. I was like, yeah, I got a strong
magnetic field because it you know, it permeates from my heart
and it's it's wild. Like it makes no sense.
So there are things that make no sense.
You know, when it I should have horrible blood pressure, my
blood pressure should beat me through the roof.
And it's not, it's wild. But anyway, that's what I
believe. And and so when I'm with people,
this gets nulled down a little bit because of other magnetic
fields in the room. Yeah.
I think the one of the important points, Gary, is that since he's
alone a lot doing this and they're communicating a lot when
he's alone to bring me in without the boxes to validate
that. That's to me like the best
because dude, he really has experienced this.
Do you know what I mean? Like yes, I don't know how to
explain it. No, that's the best way to
explain it. The fact that we didn't have
anything up and running. I didn't she listen?
She knows nothing. She knew nothing about this
place. He literally knew nothing.
The fact that she brought up Edward brought up the fact that
he was, you know, Scottish. The fact that she brought up the
serpent. I mean, my followers that have
been watching me for years now, when they go and they actually
watch this, they're going to be like, holy shit.
How does she pick up on the serpent's?
Who was that? It not only validates everything
that I've been dealing with, but you know your abilities as well
as, and again, I'm gonna say, and I said this to you before, I
think that most people that claim to be medium psychics and
have gifts are full of shit. I don't think they're the real
deal. You, however, have proven
yourself a lot and I appreciate you coming and doing this for us
and for this podcast. Believe me, not like you had to
prove anything to the two of us. We're nobodies, but it's like,
but it really was. It was really just doing this.
I was blown. I've been blown away by it.
It certainly makes me question a great many things.
And I again, I'm very glad I'm not in that room.
I don't know if I could be in that room.
But you won't be soon. I will.
I will come down there and do it.
Yeah, man, I don't listen again. Thank you, Kathy.
I appreciate it. I don't.
I don't think we want to keep you for too much, Keep you too
much longer. Here.
I think we've got everything. Why are you here?
Who? He keeps asking why you're here.
I know he wants to know why I'm here.
I don't know why you scare. Did she scare you, Edward?
Edward. Eased.
Spirits confused the matter. A strong, powerful woman scares
you, Edward. Run now.
Oh yeah, nice. Run.
Now run. Run.
Oh, really? OK, Wow.
I guess you figured out who I was.
Do they know I'm a witch? You know what's funny?
I was going to ask you about that because the first thing I
heard when I fired up Vox was why is there a witch here?
Oh wow. Yeah, well.
I did you forget that I told you to remember where it said witch
back at the beginning. Well, go back and listen to it
again if you did I. Want to?
Not you, Edward. Listen, Gary, when I get up to
turn on the spirit boxes, the first thing you're going to
hear, and it's probably going to be light because I don't know if
I had the speaker hooked up to it yet, but you'll probably hear
something about a witch. Oh, shit.
Usually when they bring up candles, that means, well, it's
like I'll fly as we all watch the back.
I can't tell you how many times I've knocked Campbells off this.
Oh wow. I've got videos on YouTube where
like it's like boom boom boom boom.
Are you going to move a candle for us?
Why are you here? Well, I'm here to talk to Johnny
and I think it's a perfect timing because the last couple
of days we had a full moon and you know, there's a lot of power
with the full moon, so I figured it was perfect time to talk with
you. Never minds me.
I've got a case of water on the roof.
I've got a. Case of water.
Oh, good. Yeah, that's case.
I got a whole case of water up on the.
Moon water, yeah. I asked AI what's up with moon
water. Apparently it's made by placing
water outside under the moonlight during a specific
lunar phase, and it can be used in a variety of spiritual
practices including cleansing, healing, empowering spells and
rituals, enhancing intuition, and even psychic abilities.
It is also said to make your skin glow, which I assume means
like how a pregnant lady. He's glowing, not literally like
you're glowing. I told him what?
What'd you tell him? Who'd you tell Whispering?
Like what is happening? Well, I guess I'm telling him
how to fix the room. Run.
Now. They keep wanting me to leave,
yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Well, she's going to leave when she's ready.
They know you're wrapping it up, so they're like, get her out of
here. Did you hear a name Sal down
here? So you know, it was, it's funny
because there, there is a Sal, there's a Dominic, a Sal and a
Brian. And they're all related and they
all have to do with this place. But yeah, I'm not.
Sure. I'm sure after your time Edward,
it was a tenant that. Was come inside.
Yeah, it was. This place has seen a lot of
tenants, but it was one of the tenants.
That, Sal, is so clear to me. Yeah, yeah.
Did you know Sal? No.
Yeah, and, and what's crazy, the only reason why I know that
these people ever even existed, other than the spirits, is that
some of their names are still on the doors by the by the
doorbells, and sometimes they still get mail.
Oh. Wow.
You know, like, did they still get mail?
Like, yeah, like all all of a sudden a piece of mail will come
in and it'll just be left on the box and I'm like.
Are you scared? Who's this?
No, I'm not. Actually.
I'm not scared of you. I.
Am I am scared? Yes, the answer is yes.
I am absolutely scared 100%. Sidekick.
Yes, yeah. Yay.
You know who I am. Thank you.
And it's, well, that's one thing.
And, and you probably agree, the last thing you want to do is
have fear while you do this. Oh, I don't have fear you can't
have because I'm always projected.
Yeah. Fear.
Fear will feed. So what else do you know about
me? Tell me other things I've done
in my life if you know I'm a psychic.
You can speak when you. Were talking about that cemetery
in Connecticut. I don't know it, but is there
like a what do you call that tree?
A A A weeping Willow. Where is the weeping Willow that
you've been around 'cause I keep seeing this weeping Willow.
Do you know a weeping Willow? Tree.
Yep, Yep, I know. Why am I here?
Where is that tree to you? The only weeping Willow tree
that has any significance to me is in a park that's in the in
the neighborhood. Why do you go to that?
Park. The only time I go to that park
for any of this is there's an old pre Revolutionary War
cottage on the property and I've also tried to get into the Girl
Scout house too but because the Girl Scout house.
Explain yourself. Don't just say you're trying to
get into the Girl Scout house on camera like you have to.
Explain why. The Girl Scout house on the park
property is haunted as well. Thank you.
Yeah. Let's be clear.
Yeah. So.
Where's the Girl Scout house? It's a park called Lions Park.
Oh wow, yeah. And what's funny is that that
it's it's and now it's really funny that you said over that
cemetery in Connecticut first, because the people that owned
that property that that park is on, their family is buried at
that cemetery. Oh my God, that's incredible.
Oh my God. They're buried at that cemetery.
That is really incredible that I went from.
Blood for the Nexus? Oh.
Oh, did you hear that, 10? My God, I heard Nexus.
Yeah, they just said blood for the Nexus.
Wow, that's but I find that really interesting that I got
all that connection from the weeping Willow tree.
Yep wow, that's incredible. It's.
Warm. It's warm.
That's amazing. Yeah, but see, that's the spirit
chatter I'm talking about, that you'll get here randomly.
They'll talk about the Nexus and blood for the Nexus and things
like that. Almost like I don't know if
they're asking for it and it's leaving.
I, I don't blame your spirit and it's something asking for it or
if it's like they're just saying, hey, this is what
happens. Very, very interesting.
What's also really interesting is that was not Edward that sent
blood for the Nexus. That was a.
John is an asshole. You know what, Edward?
See what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying?
This is why? Because I said that wasn't you
that said that. This is what I deal with with
him, and that's the thing. He comes off funny, he comes off
cunning, he comes off all these things, but in reality he was a
really bad guy. So why did you just say that?
Why did you call John that name? You know why he did it.
Why don't you tell us? No explanation.
Do you know? Well, we.
That's why we're asking. Yeah, well, John.
Disgusting. Well, he is disgusting.
That is very true, Spirit. What's your name?
Spirit? Grief spirits that just said
disgusting. What is your name?
He has like a British accent. Why is he here?
Why is? Me, yeah.
Maybe. Gary's on the.
Team. Because what's interesting?
Yeah, wow, wow, wow. Yes, they know about you, Gary.
Great. Which is my.
Jacket So you want me to get my jacket on?
You're telling me to leave? Yet you've been before.
Have we been where before? Here.
This is her first time here. Edward, I'm going to plan with
Johnny on how to kill you. That's going to be our one of
our next things is we're going to kill Edward.
We're going to dissipate the Spirit.
We're going to dissipate that spirit.
We're going to test that theory. There's, there's theories that
you can dismantle a spirit using magnets and we're going to test
that out if it's possible. Now, I personally don't think
you can. I think you can weaken, you can
remove a spirit from theoretical spirit particles if they exist,
it'll end up reforming again. It'll end up coming right back,
but for the time being you can separate it.
I don't know if we can fully kill it.
It's like a second death type thing, but we're gonna see what
it does. We're gonna see if it's
possible. My my theory on it is that it's
just gonna dissipate the spirit for a bit.
I think it's gonna end up coming right back.
Yeah. You know, cuz it's just, it's an
imprint. So that, yeah, leave me alone.
Why? Why are you still there?
Why are you guys still in that room?
I don't know. Stroke, Stroke.
Stroke I just I just like certain things that are like
oddities but also come up as evidential.
Like for the fact that he said that he watches him in that
other room and that he was working with hammer and nails.
Like that to me is what should I.
Do. That he actually, you know,
spirit actually was like watching him, you know, and I, I
find that that's why I find this all very interesting because he
actually brought that through that he was actually watching
him. So that to me in itself has a
really different creep level. You know, it's one thing to
think that spirits around, but the fact that he says that he
was watching and working, that's like really creepy.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, definitely.
That's creepy. And just to be clear, it's all
creepy. It is all creepy.
I know, I know, I know, I know. But that's.
Next level creepy. There's different.
Levels of creepy. There's different levels of
creepiness, and once you've done this for so long, it just
doesn't seem like it anymore. Like you'll hear things
different. Levels of it.
Over here you just get so used to it.
Well, I was. Holding that noose like, you
know, you gave me like, yeah. I gave me N well, that's why I
said to you, hey, if you got to throw this thing away, throw it,
you know a second. I, I have there's only a couple
of times in my life that I came across something where literally
I felt it was a very I I won't talk about it, but it was a very
evil situation and I literally felt the energy from the ground
travel on my legs to my stomach and it was like boom.
I was like, this is no good. Like I am not going further with
that it. Reminds me of that, that that
story about that doll that they found in the the Adirondacks.
I think it was supposedly they found like a voodoo doll in a
cave. And they.
Yeah. And they and they, they took it
and it was in like a museum when a bunch of other haunted
objects, but it kept getting like people sick and they ended
up having to take it back to the where they found it and they
dismantled it and took it apart. It was like a whole.
There was a whole special. Yeah, I don't know about that.
And I'm like, oh, I would have took the, take the doll.
I would have take it. I would have taken it.
But you know. I'm pretty sure that's a Brady
Bunch episode where they go to Hawaii.
In living life, you've probably met some people that you
thought, oh, I'm glad I am never going to see you.
And it's that feeling that you say like, OK, you're a bad dude.
You know, it's like you. See.
Oh, I could tell somebody. Oh yeah.
In CBS and there could be a bad dude in front of you or behind
you and you're like, Oh my God, I can't wait to get away from
this person. Like, and they could be the best
person in the world, but then what they kind of elude from
their body is this energy that's like, wow, I yeah, I can.
Usually, well, most of the time, if someone's eluding that
energy, they're oh wow. Oh.
Shit, what the hell is that something?
Just through the pamphlet. I have the the pamphlets.
Look at that. Yeah, yeah, Looks.
I well, there was a. Couple of them up there.
That got caught. I saw it on the recording I.
Do have it on the recording through the pamphlet.
Did you see that? I sure did.
Yeah. And I'll, I'll, I'll be
rewinding that. And seeing what that was, yeah,
wow, that is. Crazy how?
How wild is that that? My nephew has a planchet those
things for. Ouija boards that you move
around over the letters and words decoratively hanging up in
the background. And it just fell to the ground
for no reason. No one was moving, no one was
shaking. It just fell.
But we're talking about someone being a bad.
Dude, dude, and then and who's the bad?
Dude, the guy I was. Talking about he just said
grandmother. Yeah, I just said grandmother
too. Gary, you broke too.
Gary, you what he called you. Broke, he said.
Gary, you're broke. Too.
Cool. Oh wow, he knows.
You're the uncle. Johnny, Johnny.
Who did we tell him I was? That's right, Oregon.
That's right, the. Test start theory.
I said you were my We told the little version of him that that
he was my brother. We did not tell him.
Take it up in here. A little bit crazy, right?
We did not tell. We did not.
Tell him I was your uncle. We told him I was your brother.
Yeah, but only but we. Told the little version.
The little one, the younger. Version.
Yeah, and he but. He knew.
He. He.
Straight up was like Nope, this that wild.
Bro. Wild Wow.
Oh man. Edward, he's such a piece of
garbage too. It's not even fun.
Well, that's amazing. Yeah, that is wild.
So wild. Well, they haven't said anything
about. Me.
Other than me being psychic, isn't that what do you mean?
Other than you being psychic, it's.
Sort of new you're. That's A to me, that's a huge
thing. It's like they know you're a
psychic. That's not to me, that's not
random. You don't just start in the
beginning though, but. Even more of a reason though,
right? Like.
It's it's like, it's, it's not like they said, oh, you know,
you're a Baker. They'd like calls you what you
were. That's true, yeah.
I was curious to see how he's come back.
Oh wow, you want me to come back?
Why do you like me now? OK, Sacrifice.
Oh yo. Yo, Edward, that.
Is not cool, Edward, you are. Not going to sacrifice.
Her all right, your time of sacrificing is over with my
friend. Wow, that is done.
With you're done with all. That now you get to sit here.
Why make money on TikTok and it pisses you off?
He thinks he's so powerful. He does.
He does amazing. He's so very.
Pompous. Well, I think he comes through
the strongest because of his sacrifices.
I Oh yeah, because of Satan. Sure.
I think that's what I think the deal is, you know, that's why he
comes and there are there are some other spirits that will
like Barbara will come through every now what do I do spirits.
You can do whatever you want. As long as it's not bad.
Wow, that's wild. I I honestly didn't think
something was going to get thrown in here today.
So that was pretty cool that that happened.
Wow, you know we also. Have a very different.
Different definition. Of what cool is, yeah, I guess.
We do, Gary. You broke too.
Yeah, he keeps, he thinks. Yo, Edward.
Why do you think Gary's broke? Look, I'm not really working
right now. It's not like.
Technically, I guess I'm not, you know, rolling.
In the cash, but. Yeah, we don't have your type.
We don't have your type of. Money 19. 19 He could be
talking. About you're talking too one of
the hospital spirits. Oh wow.
Real. Just sometimes we get that too.
I'll get spirits that'll come through and be like, oh, I was
sick, I had a fever, things like that.
And they're just, you know, so this was fun.
The thing with the thing the. Thing I have to say, when that
thing fell, we were we were not talking.
I, I find this is actually a good experiment, but we were
talking about energy and I was telling you about something that
had happened to me and we were saying, you know, there's a bad
dude on the line. And it seemed, yes.
Had we ignored that? We were just having our own
conversation and they wanted us to remember, hey, we're here and
that's the way it always goes. That's amazing.
And it's. Wild.
And it's funny. It's funny.
You bring that up. Because on TikTok, what I'm
known for more than anything is ignoring spirits.
I am very well known in the paranormal community.
Or I'll completely stop talking to the spirits and just talk to
my community. And then things will start
happening and popping off and they're here.
It's like, Oh yeah, they're here.
You know, like they're here, but I'm not paying attention to
them. You know, I'm going to pay
attention to my community right now.
Well, the timing of it was amazing.
Because we were just having this, you know, on the line in
CBS, and then that thing went off.
Yeah. Wow.
It's crazy. Very.
Crazy Oh. My God.
Very crazy. Nexus Nexus Nexus Nexus We're.
Speaking. About the Nexus, is that wild?
She repeated 3 * 3. What do I do?
Did you hear that? Gary I Oh, I heard it.
I've been hearing it. I I.
Can't unhear it, Kathy. I cannot unhear it.
After that, we didn't get much more with Kathy.
Said her goodbyes and my nephew walked her out.
Oh shit he's coming back. Never mind now that she's not
here. Tell me how you really felt
about the reading. So I personally feel she was at.
As at the office, she was picking up all the spirits at
the office. I don't think that any of the
spirits that she was picking up on had anything to do with me.
For the most part, anyway. All right, mostly the names she
was dropping. It was all it all had to do with
the 1900s factory. And then when she was down here,
I mean, she I think, come on, of all the.
Countries you're going to pick. You're going to pick Scotland
like she nailed Edward right dude, when she.
Yeah, man, when she did my reading, she was saying a lot of
stuff that was, you know, I, I, I didn't get or I, I didn't
understand. But when she was specific, it
was oddly specific and her almost on point specific, right?
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely. Let's talk about what?
Our whole point here and what we're trying.
To do when you. When you have someone like that
from the outside does where where does that?
What do we think that means? What do we think it means that
she's. So for example, what does it
mean to you? Yeah.
So what it means to me is regardless.
Like, you know, she's picking up on all these things.
She could be picking up on the memories.
Like it doesn't disprove it. It doesn't prove it of the
memory theory anyway. It just proves that she's
picking up on something that I've already, you know,
documented from an outside source.
Like she said, 'cause she even said that in the when when she
was here. It doesn't prove or disprove the
memory theory, It just solidifies that there's
something there based on the definitions.
Of what we've been playing with apparition, hauntings,
poltergeist, that we are actually dealing with
apparitions because if we are dealing with hauntings, they
wouldn't interact. They are imprints that wouldn't
interact. So her being there then I would
say makes them apparitions. It puts us in that lane.
And then the idea that you're some sort of AI where you are
taking hauntings and bringing them to life like we had talked
about our guest is not the case. You're actually talking to
apparitions, right? If using just her following you,
that means. That's what that would tell me.
Like that, that haunting theory and that you're sort of bringing
this to life is not the case. You're actually communicating
with apparitions that are there. She's now felt them.
They try to reach out to her. They're giving her direct
messages. That's different, no then that
thing. Fell off the wall.
I mean the whole. Thing and then like I once that
happened. I will say this, once that
happened, her entire energy changed.
You know, she went from like, oh, yeah, you know, everywhere
is haunted. This is what I do to.
Oh, wow, this is, this is one of those types of places.
You know what I mean? Which is great.
We were talking about it outside.
It was like, yeah. Did did anything change for you
and your thoughts based on sitting with someone like Kathy?
No, no. Well, you've always been
skeptical of mediums and. Psychics.
So I've so I've always been skeptic.
I do know they exist, but I do know that majority of them are
full of shit. Kathy, however, is not.
There is something going on there.
She has some sort of gift. Well, it seems to me like dude.
You may have a gift. Maybe I.
Mean what do you? What do you I mean?
If. An app could talk to the dead.
Everyone would do it. So it's like people are trying
it they're not doing it. So there's you know one thing
she said though, too about you right.
Like you are this magnet. Well, I I that I agree with
because. I've always theoretically said
that my magnetic field affects the spirits.
That's what gets them to talk. That's what gets.
That's my theory. That's what I say on TikTok all
the time. So I mean with that said it.
Could be possible that there's no spirits at the cemetery
except when you're at the cemetery, they're there for you.
And then do you see what I mean? Like you're you're a medium in
it in and of itself maybe. Could you imagine?
Look at you. You're just the.
Ghost Magnet. You're like a straight up
supernatural silo lightning rod for ghosts.
Which is? It is.
Wonderfully crazy, bizarre world
we live in, dude. I don't know man, but it's that.
Was these past few hours with Kathy were crazy and I don't.
Know what to make of all this? I know this.
I don't. I don't like the fact that the
ghosts are now knowing my name, not loving that, not loving it,
but it makes sense. They they.
Learn, they learn and as long as you stimulate that they will
remember. And this is not your first time
here. Via the.
You know, via the call. Dude, it's technically what,
your 4th time, right? Well, it's a few times.
Yeah. Yeah, it's been a few times.
Yeah, so all right. Oh wow.
All right, dude, have a great night.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend and you will talk to Gary.
Love you. Good.
Love to the family. Love you too, bro.
I'll talk to you soon. All right.
See you, man. Now it's really the end.
Thanks for. Listening to Splintered Spirits
with me, Gary and my nephew Johnny.
You can watch Johnny live on TikTok at Santa Paranormal.
We want to once again thank Kathy Nadal for joining us.
We may not be closer to knowing what ghosts are, but if we are
to accept Kathy's professional analysis, we might be closer to
understanding what Johnny is in that he may be a medium himself,
a true conduit into whatever space these spirits are residing
in. You can find Kathy on Instagram
at Cat Witch NYC and her books can be found on Amazon.
See you next time.