It's a butterfly. It's a butterfly or an Angel.
You see it? Yeah, it's not a moth, is it?
No, come on, You see it though, it's.
So cool. Welcome to Splinter Spirits, the
podcast where we try to answer the question, what are spirits?
Today's episode is a special one.
We're back with a friend of the pod, Kathy Nadal, author of
Seeing More Than Clouds in Your Coffee and one of the most
trusted psychic mediums in the world.
Kathy is certified with the Forever Family Foundation, one
of the most rigorous medium testing organizations on the
planet. She's also a registered nurse
and a retired U.S. Army Colonel, which means she
brings both intuition and discipline to everything she
does. You can find Kathy at Catwitch
NYC on social media, and you can book a reading for yourself at
dreamcentralstation.com. Links for Kathy can be found in
the link tree in our bio. We recorded this episode just
before the holidays. Instead of sitting in a studio,
we took Splintered Spirits on the Road to Coffee Unique in
Bronxville, NY, where Kathy gave me a live reading using espresso
first and then Turkish coffee. And something strange happened.
There were similarities in both cups.
Clear symbolism that even an untrained eye like mine can see.
Is that coincidence? Is it a sign?
And I'll be honest, it doesn't matter what I think I see in the
cup. What matters is what Kathy sees.
Because once she starts reading, the coffee stops being coffee
and starts becoming a map to the past, present, and future.
So grab your coffee, settle in, and get ready for one of the
most personal and surprising readings yet.
Thank you for being here. Oh, thank you.
It's so exciting to see you. I.
Know it's crazy. It's cold, it's freezing.
Yeah, and. It's I have like. 6 layers on my
car is freezing and it was like it took me for everybody, you
know, I got here early and it took me for and I'm glad I did
because it took me 25 minutes of downloading the app to figure
out how to park because does it do people carry change?
I have $20 to change in my car right now.
Yeah, I do. I mean, that's.
Literally I have the little gauge that shows every time you
put 1/4 in it adds no yeah total.
Oh my God, so it's like I had to download the app.
I had to do the whole thing. Net took like just trying to
figure that out to make sure that that.
Would do better. The audience knows I live in
Bronxville, NY, which is a really cute little town right
next to Yonkers. Yeah.
It's cool and we're sitting here in coffee.
You need. Yes, this is one of your local
haunts. Yes, it is.
Yeah, they know me well here. Correct.
And it's great. So, Kathy, I want to remind you,
our audience knows you because you've done.
And you're the only psychic I'll ever go to because I don't trust
anybody else. Now that I've put that on the
air, I can't. I can't go to somebody and
believe that they'll give me a reading.
I'm like, oh, you just heard Kathy do it.
You know what I mean? I just don't.
I don't buy it. Yeah, that's just me.
So, like, that's it. Yeah, but.
Then when I first read you, you didn't want the reading.
You were like, I don't believe in this and all this.
I said I won't do any projects with you unless I do read you,
No. No, I'll be.
Saying that. So it was, but now it's like you
spoiled me forever. So now I can't do it right.
So which is fine. So I just want to, but I do want
to remind the audience a little bit about your background for
those who haven't seen you before.
So your psychic medium accredited with the Forever
Family Foundation, but before that, before you were doing it
like professionally or, or was it all intertwined?
But you were, you're not. You're now a retired Colonel.
Yes. That's correct, you're a
registered nurse. These are two very different
worlds. Being the one is intuitive and 1
is very rigid and almost scientific.
How do you separate those 2 worlds?
Yeah, so I have to say that I started out my career, you know,
being a nurse, and I was drawn to that when I was seven years
old. I remember walking up the stairs
in my house and we're taking care of my grandmother and I
gave her a glass of water and she said, you're going to be a
nurse one day. And I was like, oh, I'm going to
be a nurse one day. And I think she planted the seed
in my mind because I actually felt like I did something good
that I wanted to follow that. And then I had a cousin who
became a nurse, and we ended up going to the same nursing school
at the end of it. But taking care of people and
wanting to look after people really came natural to me.
The reason why I joined the military is because I needed
education. I was an associate degree nurse,
and the hospital I worked for didn't have enough money to pay,
you know, as much as I needed for a bachelor's.
So I joined the Army Reserve and they actually paid for my
bachelor's. And then I went on for a
master's and I paid out of pocket for that.
And how? How long did you serve?
30 years total. Yeah, I know.
I couldn't stop. I became addicted.
I was like, oh, And it was very challenging to me because I'm a
good student. So you have to like, take
military classes and, you know, so every time someone presented
me with a new job or a new, I just.
I ate it up. I thought it was great.
Yeah. I'm very ambitious.
I'll. Say, and then you did so and you
did tours. You.
You were in Iraq. Iraq for a year, and then they
had sent us over to work with the Jananian army for three,
almost 4 weeks. Yeah.
How do you, how, what's it like being on, you know, a tour with
your abilities? Well, I have to say, it's no
different than being out in everyday life.
Oh. But there's no How can you say
it's no different? Look around you.
Look where we are. It's like the Christmas lights
and Christmas trees. You're talking about Iraq.
How is it no different? Well, however, the only thing
about it that is really different is that, you know,
things are happening. Particularly the year that I was
there, it was 2004 to 2005, just to bring things through history.
We invaded in 2003 and the whole Saddam was in prison when I was
there. I mean, you know, there's a lot
of things during that time historically, but a lot of the
work that we deal with here, a lot of us won't talk about.
But it's difficult. You know, you're placed in a, in
an away situation. But more importantly, I, I'm not
an intrusive person. I won't run up to somebody.
But there were certain times, which I talk about in my book,
that I, you know, kind of felt very strongly about certain
things and things did happen, you know.
So, you know, the second book really addresses that.
But my battle buddy, Colonel Khalisi, Denise Khalisi, she's
retired also. She was my battle buddy.
And she said, you know, if we get out of here alive because
some people did it, you really need to do this work publicly
and share this with the public. And I promised her, you know,
'cause I had said things to her that came true.
I tell her you're really gifted. Like she, there was no
convincing her that I wasn't, you know.
And then when I came home, things started to unfold because
I already knew I had this gift. Like reading coffee was
something I did in my teens, you know, I didn't college, you
know? That's why we're here.
There's a word for this. I looked it up.
It's a tessography. I think.
Tessography. How did you how did you find
this? How did this become?
Yeah. Why?
Coffee. What was it?
Well, how did? How did coffee become the canvas
for spiritual? Well, it's, it's one of the many
things that I'm kind of known for.
But in my father's family, his father came from Spain and his
mother was Italian. So we always had coffee on that
side of the family. My mother's family was Irish and
they, they would drink instant coffee.
Like, no, so a lot of my cousins, you know, we always had
Italian coffee around, you know, so a lot of times I would lean
over and look in their cup and I'm like, wow, you know, that
looks like this to me and that looks like that to me.
And I start telling them stuff and they're like, you didn't
know that about my life. Even though your cousin's with
someone, you don't know everything that's going on in
their lives, you know? And then when I was at Mercy
College, when the Army was paying for my bachelor's, I had
a really good friend, Tommy, and he was an Italian guy that used
to take me down to the Bronx. And we'd go to different cafes
and pizzerias and stuff. And he would say, I want you to
read my cup and tell me about my girlfriend and tell me about
this and and everything that I was seeing, it was coming true.
And he got addicted to taking me around.
And I talk about it in my first book, Yes, Where and.
The book we're talking about, too, that you wrote about this
big is obviously seeing more than clouds in in in your
coffee, which is great. I mean, the whole thing about it
is wild. Yeah.
And one of the places I think I talked about is someone from the
back from the the the cook in the kitchen or somebody comes
out and I end up reading for them, you know, so a lot of
these places people kind of like look over or see a place like
coffee unique, not so startling because they may do this in
their culture. Yeah.
What? So what do we what do we start
with? What's the process here before
we start? Over.
So the process is, I always say to someone, do you drink coffee?
That's the main. Question because if you don't
drink coffee, you can't have the reading.
OK, You know, you can't pretend to drink it.
You have to have to. Drink some people.
I like caffeine. Some people want decaf, it
doesn't matter. That doesn't matter.
That doesn't matter, OK? And some people want sugar, some
people don't want sugar. That doesn't matter, OK.
Because even the sugar, like someone said to me, I used 3
packets. I said I don't care, I'll
actually be able to read the sugar as it blends with the
coffee. Well, then doesn't then?
But then don't you say that that matters?
Then it's sort of an added. Having coffee, having sugar or
not sugar doesn't. Matter.
Right. Because it's really the coffee
that is really the background to this whole thing.
Yeah, it's very. Interesting.
OK. And it was only one time that I
read for someone where the cup was as completely clean after
they drank. It was before the coffee went in
it and they were really upset. They said what does that mean?
I said it just means you don't get a reading.
But out of thousands of cups that I have done, that is the
only time that has happened. And I doubt that will happen to
you. I doubt I don't.
I don't like. I don't like.
That, but I've done a psychic fairest where literally people
have lined up and I had my own espresso maker, you know, and
one of the fairs I did, Oh my God, one of the the fairs I did,
the lady saw that I was running behind and it was only one
little thing. The ladies left the line and
they were cleaning the cup so that I could get everyone
through in time. Oh.
That's. Sweet of that.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So, OK, so the so we're going.
To order, we're going to order the coffee.
The first coffee we're going to order is Italian coffee.
It's called espresso coffee, OK, It's a thin coffee.
It's also considered to be a little bitter for some people.
So that's why people tend to want to put an asset in it or,
or sugar in it or whatever. There's a process.
Once we get it, I'll tell you exactly how to put your napkin,
how it's going to be displayed and then you we're going to
drink it. It takes a couple of minutes to
drink it and then we're going to turn the cup in a particular
fashion. We're going to turn the cup
over. We're going to let it dry, which
goes fairly quickly and then I'll read your coffee first if
you want or I could show you my cup.
Some people when they're new to this, they say show me your cup
because they want to actually get their eye programmed to see
what they're actually looking for before they see their cup.
We'll. Figure that out.
OK, All right. OK.
So that's what we have to start with if we start with espresso.
Espresso. All right, I'll go order it.
So should I bring out these espressos?
What? What kind of predict?
Or is it a prediction we're going to see or things that are
happening now? Or is it all the thing?
Because there's a way I read where I can tell you if
something's in the past, OK? And there's a way I read, I
could say if something's happening right now and then
there's things that are happening in the future.
So that's why a lot of times when someone goes through this,
we have to wait like 6 months to see if those things happen.
And I didn't. Even tested it on myself.
So when I was I moved in with my dad when my dad was dying and
for a year I took care of him. I he slept in the living room on
hospital bed and I slept on the couch.
And when I had free time, I would go up to Dobbs Ferry
because I had a friend that had a Cafe similar to this and I
would have wanted her a coffee. And I was looking in the cup and
the same image was in every cup month after month after month.
And it was my dad and I started to watch it move because the
months movement when. You say you saw your dad.
What did you see that? Was it a representation of your
dad? Like something there it.
Was a representation of my dad, the way the body was.
So you can see him like, like standing like.
So when I first moved in, he was still fairly healthy and he was
standing up and he was able to walk up and down the stairs.
And then as time, you know, elapsed, we had to move him
downstairs. And then he was in a hospital
bed. So that same body started to
slant, started to move. So literally from one month to
the next, I could see him moving.
And I watched that with my own cup and I knew it was him
because it wasn't me. It was so.
And that's the only way I could say that I could validate it
because it was my life and I literally watched it.
Oh. My God.
Yeah, but the coffee also started getting lighter, and
that's really important because the color of the coffee
sometimes indicates stress or or a very important or a difficult
time. When the coffee becomes lighter
in color, it means the stress is being released or that it's not
as upsetting sometimes in a cup. So that's why when I saw my
dad's image, he was standing up, but the coughing was so dark.
And I was like, oh, because I knew he was still feeling
healthy. But they had told him like, you
know, if you, you know, if you don't take dialysis, you know,
you have a time frame. But he didn't want to do that.
So I knew he had all that stress on him.
You know what I mean? But he still looked good.
Like, people go over and sit with him and he'd look great,
but he had all that stress on him.
Does that make sense? It makes total sense.
Yeah, it's wild. And then when I talk and I say
this is what I'm saying, it's not just the coffee, it's my
ability because. Well, yeah, that's.
Buoyant. I can see things past the cup,
so it's a combination of what I can see outside the cup and a
combination of what I see inside the cup that brings all of that
together. Kathy, do the symbols that you
see mean the same thing for each person?
No. OK, so right, if you saw a bird
in my cup, that might not be the same if you saw a bird in
somebody else's. Cup, it depends.
Bird in particular is very suspicious.
So Colonel Denise Khalisi, my battle buddy that I mentioned
earlier, we had been in a mess hall in Fort Dix, NJ, and they
had this new coffee machine. And she said, I'm going to get
the I'm going to get a cappuccino, you know, And she
ran up and got it and she was drinking it.
And she was up for a promotion to Phil Bird, Colonel.
And I said, you know, when you're done with that coffee,
let me look at it. And she said, oh, this is not
the way you do it. It's a Styrofoam cup or in the
mess hall, like I said, let me see that cup.
And I swear she still has the picture to this day.
You could see the bird at the top of her cup.
And I said you are going to get that promotion until this day.
She sells the picture. She got that promotion.
Oh, that's pretty well. Yeah, and, and it it was she was
at a point in her career that if she didn't get that, she was
like, all right, I'm going to drop my papers.
It's time for me to go. You know, you get certain
feelings like, you know, but she really was like, oh, my God.
But a bird for someone else could be something totally
different. Birds sometimes come through in
reading. You know, sometimes it has
something to do with a person's personal life.
OK, but that's specifically, that's specifically for birds,
but but symbols just in general, you get a different vibe off of.
Them let me tell you, I'll sit there and I'll hold the cop and
I'll say I see this and the other person leans over my
shoulder and says I don't see that.
I see a bear. And I'm like, do you want to do
the ratings? OK, All right, right.
It doesn't matter. So the Paradolia doesn't matter.
It's only. To you, it's what you see there
and it's like, OK, so you see the bear and then take me from
there. That's why a lot of times people
say, well, I want to learn how to do this.
I'm like, I really can't train you because it's not just the
cop. You have to have the ability to
go past the cop in order for this to really make sense to
someone to say. I really feel like I had a
reading. Got it.
OK, OK. Yeah, because the person's like,
but I'm adamant. I see that bear and I'm like,
OK, so then expand on the bear. They can't.
It's like they hit a wall and they're like, I just got there.
I just got there you. Know it's just like OK, well,
good with. Your bear good with your bear.
This is what I charge. Here's my bill.
That's the same with reading. You know, when you give someone
a reading, if you say I'm seeing this, but then you can't pull it
together with other things, person has to leave your reading
either psychic and mediumship with having a message like why
did that feel like it validated my life in some way?
You know, and that's the important part of it.
It's always in the Army. We teach this, you know, we go
through certain things and you have to be able to say, This is
why we're learning this The Who, the what the when, the where all
of that. But at the end we would always
say, but what's the so why? Like, why do we need to know
this? What is so important?
Why are these things so important?
It's what's the, so why? And we would say that over and
over again and it, and it matches everyone's regular life.
When you say, OK, I have to maintain my car.
I have to take my car from maintenance.
What's the So what? So I don't break down on the
side of the the road so that I don't cause an accident, right?
It the So what means so much in everyone's life?
So many people just gloss over. It but is it?
This is kind of So what happened later?
Like they might not realize it right now, but that might happen
later. Because I'm validating the past
for them so that they can say, yeah, I remember that time and
and I remember that happening. So they automatically know that
yes, that's happened. The current I'm validating for
them as well, but in the future they might have a hint that
something's going to happen. But when they leave there, they
say, why was that reading so important?
It's because I know what I did six months ago or I know what
I'm doing right now matters because it's showing itself to
me in the car. The atmosphere doesn't affect
the rating doesn't. Energy effects none of that.
No. Like if I'm in a good mood
though with that, like does it okay?
Does drink? Is the mood I'm in when drinking
in A affect the rating? No, I could tell you a funny
story which is in the book, but I knew a guy and he said, you
know, I don't do coffee. I said OK, fine, what do you do?
He's like, I do hot poco. And he was already like
negative, negative, negative. So I read his hot Coco and I
said some things to him and he was like, oh, wow, OK, you see
what it means? So it was like he was coming in
negative and I thought, you know.
But when you tell someone like, you know, I've spoken to you
before and I spoke to John, certain things that I said, you
guys stopped and said, oh, wow, you know, like, oh, OK, you
know, it's that kind of a thing. And the thing I said to him
about is hot Poco. He was like, oh wow, you know,
like, OK, but. That's that's your kids version
in the future. Oh, I don't.
Know I don't like to do a lot with children.
No, of course. Yeah.
They're horrible, I wouldn't say that, but their life also hasn't
developed and some people don't realize, which I always
underline. Some children's lives are more
stressful than adults because some children are living in
households they would rather not be living in.
And I know that first hand. I live with a very typical
alcoholic mom, and I think that enhanced my psychic ability.
I think I'd pay attention to things more than other people,
you know, waiting for things to go clunk in the night.
I think I was in tune to that a bit more.
But nobody else in my family does this, right?
My cousin, you don't. Have anybody in your family that
has any abilities? Whatsoever.
No. And The funny thing is, is my,
my cousin Jerry in this town, I don't know, must be 20.
I don't know if it's 20 years ago.
It's got to be at least 20 years ago.
But there's a hospital in this town, which is called Lawrence
Hospital. And Jerry came in for business
in Manhattan. He was working for Cirque du
Soleil at the time. And he said I have a cup in my
pocket. I said what?
We're in the lobby of the hospital.
He's like, I went to a restaurant last night and they
let me take my cup with me because I know I'm.
Seeing you tomorrow. He wanted that reading.
For him in the hospital lobby
looking at his cup. Oh my God.
Yeah, so he's a big component. We were in Spain.
I opened up my first book talking about being in Spain,
and he said, I'm getting my coffee, you know, And he had
brought a Cirque du Soleil show to Spain and we were there for
the opening. And he said, I want my coffee
reading. Yeah, even two years ago I was
in Vegas, and he said, we're having a brunch and we're doing
coffee. Certain people really love it.
And it's funny because certain people, when I tell them about
it, feel like, Oh no, I'm afraid of that.
Oh my God, yeah. Some people need to see it.
Make sure. No, look, I'm excited.
This coffee is going to be good too.
It's taking its time, but it's like I'm I am.
So when I first heard that about this about you, I was like, this
is the coolest thing and it is so I never look.
Everybody's heard of I've read the tea leaves, you know what I
mean? It's so like they the tea
leaves, right? That's what they always say.
The tea leaves. The tea leaves.
Salem like do the tea leaves. Yes, thank you so much.
Thank. You so much.
Thank you. Thanks so much.
So I put it on here, OK. All right, good.
So do you take any sugar? I don't.
All right, I do. So I'm going to put mine in.
OK. And.
I dumped on. I put a little sugar.
Espressos this is where. We start, it's a little 1, so I
only do half a packet. OK, so because they actually
have spoons here. So because you could stare.
Am I supposed to? No, I don't have to.
No, it's not. It's not going to affect
anything that I get. So.
All right. Everything you do, yes.
Is Is your cup OK? I hope so.
Whatever hand you. On the lefty.
All right. So then you're going to do left,
OK? OK.
Yeah, so whatever do. We cheers or no, none of that
shit, because that'll be because that would be.
Because energy, right? So, So, So you're going to drink
your coffee, OK? It's good and hot.
I love the coffee here. It's good, right?
Yeah. You don't have to chug it.
You could take your time all. Right.
I don't know, like is it getting better?
Do I get better? Oh, no, it's just, you know,
it's just drinking it. OK.
All right. So right now you're saying like,
whatever. I'm not saying anything.
I drink coffee all the time. What is that like?
Nothing's covered like every cent, it's just whatever had no.
OK. No, it's.
Really good though and that's why I like certain coffee shops
because you can tell the difference of the coffee and
their blend here is really good. But that doesn't affect it.
It doesn't affect it, but. When it but it makes it more
enjoyable, right? It's not like when this is
spread, I don't know, the camera can show, but it's got a
creaminess to it, Yes. Not all espresso blends get that
creamy. Got it.
One more step. OK?
Right. So I'm done.
Are you done? No, I'm always done.
So I'll demonstrate first. So because I'm done and I'm a
right-hander, I'm going to turn it three times towards me, which
is counter clockwise. So it's 123 and then I put it
down on the paper. On the napkin, not.
On the saucer, No, no, no, no. And then I'm going to put it up
at 5:00, OK. And then it just sits there.
So 5:00 is like you're looking at the clock and then you don't
touch it, so you're going to do 3 * 2.
I'm going wait, I'm lefty. I go counter clockwise.
Yeah, still it's the same clock motion.
It doesn't matter left or right. Wait am I going clockwise or
counter clock? I want to.
Clockwise counter, Yeah. So go 123.
Now put it upside down on the paper, give it a little.
Yeah. And then put it up at 5:00.
But the handle has to be down. Yeah.
There you go.
It's not really A5. I would bring it back a little
bit. Yeah, a little.
Yeah. What the fuck?
Mine's really at 5:00 here. That's not 5:00, that's 4:00.
At 5:00. All right, that's fine.
AM. I going to I don't want a bad
shit. I'm, I'm making fun of you.
That's fine. It's totally fine.
OK, All right. Good.
No, we wait. We wait, but isn't it beautiful?
That's why so many people, like people actually give me espresso
cups as gifts. Like my nephew.
Yeah. Yeah, he gave me two cups with
the names of my cats on them. Nicolette and Juniper.
How funny is that? And even I even travel with a
cat bag look. I know you cats and your you,
you witches and your cats. It's crazy.
So funny. All right, good, all.
Right, so now we let this sit for a second.
Sit, I'll, I'll I put my cup down first so I'll be the first
to look at it. OK, how long does it sit?
Just a few minutes, really like not not very long.
OK, but for this I have to wear my magnifying glasses because
I'm really. Wait, I might need?
Do I need? You might need glasses.
I might need my readers too when I'm ready, because this is age.
I'm 51. OK, good.
The eyes are shut. Oh, sure.
OK, so I'm ready so. Yeah.
So am I putting my cup under the camera?
Can I hold it or no? Do you want to do it?
No, I'm not going to touch it. No, no.
Just tell me first and then we'll show it after.
It's OK. All right, good.
Because we'll do mine. We'll focus.
On yeah. So this is my cup.
Good. So when I look at the cup, I'm
going to use the spoon as a pointer.
Yep. So I'm going to use the spoon as
a pointer. I just don't want to get dirty
OK in the process, so see here. This is the handle of the cup.
Yeah, but that's not magic. Well, I'm just explaining it to
you. So the handle of the cup is
showing where we are right now, OK.
And this image right there, So when I say this is where we are
right now, the handle of the cup would be December 1st to
December 31st. There's an important thing that
I was working on in the last week of November.
You see how that looks like a road, Yes.
And you see on the bottom of it, it's standing up a person is
like standing up looks. Like a stick figure.
Exactly. But that's me standing up, OK?
You see that little person standing up and it's in a road,
OK. And the road is not very clear.
It's kind of made of like coffee.
But it shows like steam raising from my head.
Do you see like the steam by steam?
I had a disagreement with someone and I stood up and I
walked out of their house. And that's what that is.
That's what happened. That's what happened.
And that matches the cough, OK, Because it was like it was quite
literally at the end of November, OK.
And yeah. And I stood up, which normally I
wouldn't have done. I would have said keep my mouth
shut. Let me just keep my mouth shut.
Must've been held a disagreement.
Well, but the point about the coffee is it validates that that
really impacted me and it validated that it was that
important to me. And you see the stream going off
the top of my head, which means that I release those thoughts
coming right off the top. Now before that, which is
actually quite interesting. I can go back.
So when I go back right underneath that, the two months
before that, which would have been October and a little bit of
September, do you see all of that in the cup, all of that
mess? Yeah.
You see this? This is actually me.
You see my long hair and you see me standing, and you see my arm
out. Yeah, yes.
Yeah, it's so clear. I was involved in a very
important project in October, and it involved a lot of people.
And you see my arm out, there's a head right there, which means
that I'm talking to someone. See my arm out, talking to a
very important head. And that had to do with the
project that I was working on. And it's all in white.
White is very good, OK, which means it's a very positive
project. But you see how clear my long
hair is, OK. You see?
Yeah, I, well, yes, I see. I see what you see.
And the important part of it is that I'm talking to the head.
You see my head there, and you see the line there in the other
person's head. Their body is not important.
You see that? Yeah, it's their head that's
more important, which means they have a recognizable face.
OK, That's why the body is not important.
Can I show? Can I show it?
Yeah, sure. Can I hold it now?
Yeah, 'cause I want to just to give everybody.
What is the pointer? Yeah, sure.
So this is This is weird. Can you see that?
Yeah, yeah. So this is that road she was
talking about or is the standing up the steam coming off her
head? We can.
Show the little body. Yeah, you can see the body right
there, right and then if you look there.
You have to point with the pointer.
Right there is the other leg, it looks like that, the screaming
man, and it's the the white is the air and then it aligned to
another head. That's what she's talking about.
OK, cool. All right, good, all.
Right, we're ready to do this. Good.
OK, good. All right, So that's just a
sample of what my cup looks like so that the audience
understands. OK, OK, good.
All right, so now I'm going to go to your cup.
Do I touch you? Touching it.
Yeah. OK.
All right. Oh, wow.
This is very good. Is it?
I like what we see. This is very good, the important
do you? Want to lean over so we can get
sure so you can show it too in the same time.
All right, good. Can you see it?
Yeah, I'm going. To make good.
SO this is very important which. One where the handle is.
Yeah. So you didn't use your spot.
I didn't use your spot. So this is the handle.
This is the month we're in right now.
You have a similar line that I do, but you see you have nothing
on that line. No, it's a big black or.
A big. No.
Coffee. Yeah, turn it.
Turn it like this. Or some people can.
Say so. This is December 1st and this is
December 31st right here. This actually starts, if you're
looking at it, in the last week of November, OK?
This is something that you're working on from the end of
November, quite literally, to right now, December 15th, like
literally right now. This is a work project that
actually has two parts to it, OK, Because you see the 11 line
there is a little dark and then the back line is a little dark,
OK, That is very good because it actually goes to the top of the
cup. So it's time sensitive.
OK, Do. Things that always go to the
top. You'll see, you'll see.
I'll show you things. So this to me is very good, but
it's a work project. And look, you see how this line
2 lines come down? It actually is showing me
something connected to things you did in the past.
OK, yeah. So you see this here back.
Back, back your hand up just a little.
Yeah, yeah. See this here.
Yes, this is the work project. When you come down, you see how
that has a tail to it, Which. Which which one am I talking
about? The light color coffee.
OK. Light color coffee, you see
right there, Yes, it's a tail, yes, and it goes into that, OK,
Just look at the light coloring, OK, Because the dark coloring is
different. That's a different image.
Is that something bad? No, no, no.
We're not on to that. We're saying one thing at a
time. All right?
You come down here and you go all the way up to that.
That actually is part of all of this.
Well. What the Hell's all that?
All right, we're all gonna talk about.
Those look like literal grains. And stuff.
All right, so let me it is coffee.
OK, so. I get it.
I mean, what's the, what's the symbolism of it?
So this is December, this would be November, October, this would
be September, August, this would be July, June, OK.
So I have to go back and talk about this period of time being
June, July, August into September, OK, All of that.
OK, This is work related, but you see how this starts from the
bottom. There's two major groups of
people that you're working with because the this is what I this
line sometimes you see when you're working with a lot of
people, you have two different groups of people that you're
working with. You see how they're lined up.
All those people, the coffee grinds become people.
Sometimes when I read for people in the music business and I see
a line like that, I'm like, oh, you're going on tour, your tour
during the world when somebody's in the military and they're
going on a tour, that those symbols would be there as well.
OK, So we talked about a lot of people all going in the same
direction or a lot of people on a project.
OK, you're managing two groups of those people.
OK, June, July, August, September.
So when we go back to those months, you would have been
involved with those people during that period of time and
they're separate groups of people.
You see how that line is there and that line is there, OK at
the bottom of it, even though you're there's a little bit of
coffee there like. That so they can say, yeah, that
perfect. So now, now.
I don't. Want to just to show them so you
can see these two lines. These are two lines, and.
Then the right here leads. To a drip at the bottom.
The coffee lines, OK, the little stress thing here, the little
dark coloring thing here is more towards the first group of
people. They're not equal stresses.
So one group of people causes you more stress than the other
group, Would you agree? Does the fit line mean less
people? Well, it could or it could be
kind of the one that you dealt with first in that month.
I don't know if it matters about the month yet, but it's
certainly I do have two very different things going on.
One of it the. One is more stressful.
Than the other OK and almost you see the the coloring there it
cause like a little ball stress OK.
So dark is bad. Well, it's not bad, but sometime
reflects importance difference. Stress.
A little bit of a ball of stress with one of those groups.
So it's not easy to figure out all the time.
Like I feel like I'm in a ball, like I'm all like in a ball.
Ball is like a circle where it goes around and around and
around and around. OK, There may be more stress
that goes around and around and around with one group more than
the other, OK. But it's interesting because
this all came together. You see how you have borders
here and borders here? It's it's isolated to those
months as being it's isolated. See, these are like your
bookmarkers. These lines.
The big lines, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like a volcano.
You see how like a? Volcano stress no, that could be
me. It's not against, it's not ahead
of the rim of possibility that. You see the volcano almost image
or a mountain image where this line goes up and this line goes
up, but you see it has a roof on it, OK?
Which means that this is these are projects that are closed.
These are projects that need to be completed, OK?
These are projects that will have a deadline or an end to
them, OK, Because because it's got a roof on it.
You see the roof and the roof almost looks a little scalloped.
You see the scalloping. You know, when you go to like
Japan and you see a building like that that has that really
intricate kind of, you see that little like almost like fluffy
line around the roof. So this means this is a very,
very creative project you're working on.
When you see that building in Japan, you say, oh, someone made
that with a lot of creativity, a lot of hard work, a lot of
dedication. You see that?
Those little scallop lines there?
That's what that means. Yeah.
OK. Well, yeah, both things are
both. OK, very creative.
OK, but that's the I'm. Extremely creative.
That's the roof there, OK, But it's interesting because it
starts out with a darker coloring.
You see how that one side of it is dark?
Surrounded by darkness. But it ends lighter 'cause that
dark thing there, yeah, is part of something else.
Is it medical? No, no, I didn't get there yet.
OK, Are you giving the? Reading you.
See this piece of it right? It's so dark, though.
Kathy let me like, so it's like that's like a big dark.
Wave. No, we didn't get there though,
you see? Yes, that's interesting.
So all that makes sense to you, right?
So far. OK, good.
Now let's go back to where we are here, OK?
This is the line that I talked about, the project that you're
on right now with the two sides of it underneath that you see
that thickness there come down. It trickles into it's like a
funnel effect. You see that and you see the
funnel effect. Still that way so that everybody
can see, yeah. I can't point because I can't
see we're. Moving closer here, a little bit
bigger. I still can see the funnel
effect. Yeah, if you look at the funnel
effect right there, you see you have Angel wings.
OK, does that mean I'm dead? No, it's good.
But this project that you're working on right now that end of
November to now funnels down through what you say is a
darkness. It's really thick, OK, That
right there is it's you're you're kind of sorting through a
lot, OK. This is not a simple thing.
This requires a lot of all that is just thick, OK, But it means
that that shows like effort, OK OK.
When it comes down, the coffee gets lighter and there's like an
Angel with the wings. OK, which means this project is
going to fly, take off, can you? Oh, that'd be fucking nice.
You see this because this is almost looking like a butterfly.
You see your wings there? You're looking at.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah. Touch your nut.
So like, just so you can see it. I want everyone to see what
they. I can't.
I can see it. They can see it down at the
bottom. You have to use.
And I'll use a graphic later, but it's like down there is like
wings. I see it.
So it's like just the. Body.
This right the white in the white.
No, no, no. So go to the line right?
Here. See the thickness here?
Let's see the little body with the wing there and the wing
there. It's a butterfly.
It's a butterfly or an Angel. You see it?
Yeah, it's not a moth, is it? No, come on, You see it though,
it's so. Cool, well I also see a mask
that looks like Batman. Do you?
See that? No, no, I don't see that.
No, I don't see that. But that to me is the most
important thing right there because of the wings.
Because it matters. I don't want to remind people it
matters what Kathy sees, not what I see.
Because that's so. You see this, guys?
If you look right here, you can see Batman's eyes in the white
right here. No, I'm sorry.
Then I want to show the people how I got Batman because just in
case Kathy's not. And then there's like a nose.
You can see the nose. Let's look.
I will highlight this for you, but that looks like Batman's
white eyes and then his dark nose in the mass of the cowl and
then the white face maybe just in case.
But go ahead, continue that. Sorry.
So we see, all right, the butterfly, you see, but I see
them. I see what you're seeing as that
is possibly butterfly. To me as the most important
thing that it's either an Angel or a butterfly because.
I might have fucked it up and hit that thing with a.
Spoon, you did? Yeah.
Look. I know but it's but but just the
thick part, but we know that that was thick is that we have
video footage of it. All right.
You may want to take stills of this too.
So the important part is, is this project that you're working
on that has two parts to it is under the butterfly or the
Angel? It's above there.
Yeah, but you see that when you go underneath.
It it's underneath the thick, yeah.
So that's better. It's a struggle and then it's
just saying it. Takes off, OK, great.
Because it's the stuff that's underneath it.
Now, the reason why I say that, and it's so important for the
audience to know, is that the bottom of your cup, the actual
bottom of the cup, is called your heart of the cup, right?
It's the heart of the cup. So things that are closer to
your heart, to me, have a higher importance.
OK. OK, that's why the butterfly or
the Angel being close to the bottom edge of your cup, meeting
the heart of your cup gets more important, OK, OK, That's why I
get excited like, oh, I see that, OK.
Now this looks cool. I don't know what's.
Going on, well, this dark thing, you're going to just eliminate
that because it just continues to show that you have to sort
out all of your projects are not easy.
You must do a lot of research or there's a lot of things to sort
through. That big swipe of that darkness
is just hard work that you have to do.
Your stuff is not easy, whatever you're involved in.
Now, when you go to counting again, January, February, March
into April, there you got another project.
So there's something big coming for this, for your work.
Now we're getting somewhere. April.
And look, what does it mean where it's like this open funnel
that looks like a right? To me, so yeah, what it is, is
all of this research, all this hard work slopes off, you see
how that that's off and now this is this is project.
It's smooth sailing on its own, right?
Look, it's floating, yes. It's not attached to anything
anymore. Does that mean it's easy?
For me? It's.
Better. Yeah, Look, it's floating, you
see it's. Yes, I love it.
And it's also interesting because it's not typical or what
people would call normal, whatever that project is,
because it's got a little bit of A twist to it.
You see the twist. So that's important because
sometimes people would say, why does it look a little crooked?
Or it may start out a little crooked and straighten itself
out. Does that make sense?
That's what that is, but it's also very good and very clear
and again, still has those two aspects to it.
So you see that? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So those two aspects to that
project that we saw over here are still going on with this.
Does that make sense to you? Well, not yet, because that's in
the future, but I, I mean, I'm hoping that it's something.
On something. Yeah.
OK. All right.
And that's kind of interesting because you see how this one had
the Angel under it. This one is like, there's almost
like the Angel has risen up in there.
You see how that's white? Yes.
But there's a little image in there, yes, See the little
image. Yeah, that's why you're close.
You see the little image? Yeah, Doesn't have the wings
anymore. It's standing by itself.
So it's a little person under that project.
Can you see it? Yeah, look at that guys.
I lost my wings. What does it mean when an Angel
loses its wings? Listen, she.
Looks as as a positive but it's like I feel like.
But you can see the head, you see how clear that is, the
little head right there on the body standing so freely.
And the project is almost like a little cover.
It's like it's creating a little roof to the person standing
there. Really amazing, isn't that?
Can you see that? Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you, I'm
glad we're using words like amazing and not, oh, no, I mean
when you're here. But yeah, it's, I mean, OK.
Listen, I have to take your word for some of this because it's
the future. But can you see it though I?
Can see. Yes, I can see a little.
Person. Underneath it looks.
See, to me, see, to me, it looks like a person underneath a
bubble holding up, like blocking a waterfall coming over them.
And he's like, yeah. That's what it looks like, yeah.
But that little turn here in the project is, is providing like a
little roof for the person in the head.
OK, OK. So that's great.
OK, that is all great. Yeah, all of that is good.
And they just go on. See your dark stuff that you
have to get through is a lot of hard work.
Whatever this stuff is, you may be familiar with it, but it
becomes more difficult or it's difficult when you go into that
going forward. See, you have almost like you
ever see like a paper boat, you know, a paper boat a kid does.
You see the paper boat, it's a little top of it and it's like a
little origami paper boat. Isn't it amazing?
Yeah, OK. What?
Does that mean origami paper boat?
It's actually, it's kind of interesting because it's paired
with another triangle. So that is a trip or adventure.
But the triangle, there must be you and two other people that
are very important in your life. Who's the triangle?
You and two other people. I mean, there's a lot of people
who are very important in my life.
I mean, it could be. If you said I have to pick two
people and me, who would that be?
Probably. Even my kids.
OK, All right. So you see that, that and that.
Sorry, sorry to my wife. He's gonna watch this to be
like. I don't know, I don't know feel
like alive listen, but if. She understands she would do the
same. So there may be like a travel
adventure, but there's a triangle there.
OK, So it's like, OK, you're going to start doing more for
yourself, but you're going to be doing more adventure for
yourself in the future. You see how all this stuff has
been more like not a lot of fun, not a lot of fun, not a lot of
fun, but there it's. Fun.
Well, that's fun, yeah. You see the little origami
paper, little boat and then the triangle.
It's like, let me pick two or three people and then they're
going to do the fun with me. But you see, you see the little
things that are going around it, all these little dots around it.
That's fun. It's activity in the cup, you
see that. We'll see what it turns into
because there's a couple of, I have a couple of groups of two
or three people that I'm doing very interesting things with
that that'll be exciting to see what stands out the.
Boat would be suspic to like a trip, a journey and kind of a
thing. OK, so that looking like a
creative see the origami boat, it's not just a regular boat,
it's an origami boat. So I can't make an origami boat,
but I know a guy that could you see what I mean because I'm not
creative enough. You see what I mean?
That's what that is. So in summary, you say, what's
the So what of the cup? What you're working on does
matter and it continues. OK.
So even though certain months are really hard or certain
months kind of evaluated, certain things are made, things
stand by themselves, it shows that everything you're doing has
an outcome. Like now your Angel still has
wings, you're still floating, but now your Angel is trans
transitions and is now standing on its own.
So as the year progresses, there's more independency to
your work, but also you're learning to have fun, because
all this stuff here doesn't look fun to me.
Right can all be good times. So we do something which is
called. You could put your thumb in the
bottom of the cup. It may not show on espresso, but
the cup, yeah, put your thumb in the bottom of it and just press
it down. So like it may not show now
because the coffee is dry. Yeah, that's not I'm not getting
any love. Out but it will with the Turkish
coffee all right, all right, good and your cup just to if
people are wondering about the heart his heart.
You see all the squiggly lines here.
You have a lot of people that are in your caring world.
Yeah. You see all the squiggly lines.
It's almost like when someone says I'm looking at wallpaper,
like, I don't know where the wallpaper starts.
You see that? All this.
I see what you're saying. Yeah.
It's like, I don't know where
that all starts. It's all there.
So that's good. You it.
It's not in your face. It's not one.
It's not murder. Or.
Death or dislike, but your heart has to do with you.
It's people you care for and people that care for you.
And you have a lot of people in your heart.
But it but it's like surface stuff.
Like when I say wallpaper, you could see wallpaper, but you
can't see every image specifically on the wallpaper.
It's like a print. It's an imprint.
You see that? You see all the squiggly lines,
right? They're not right.
It's not like. One person is more important
than everyone else, sure. That's wild.
Yeah, and mine's very different. See the bottom of my cup here?
We didn't do a full. Yours is better.
Of course it's better. Of course, of course it's
better. But you.
But you see how the bottom of my cup looks different than yours.
So it's very different. Just to give people the concept
of it. OK, good.
All right, good. That's my that's my heart.
All right. Awesome.
Very good. All right.
Now what's now we're going to do?
The Turkey. Oh, all right, so now this is
the Turkish coffee. This is the Turkish coffee.
So yeah, all. Right, so this is really
different. Right.
And the proper presentation of it.
I know I'm getting all dirty here.
What are we doing? Proper presentation of this is
to keep it covered the way they did.
OK, So take take this, put it on your piece of paper.
OK, Your napkin. OK, You're going to take your
lid off. Isn't it beautiful?
It's just cafe cafes, all are different.
Coffee Unique. Coffee Unique is amazing.
Oh, these sandals. Are dumb.
Yeah, you see this and it's like smoking.
It's like so hot. All right, you ready?
Oh, wow. You feel it's very, very
different. If you had given me this, good,
if you had given me this beforehand and didn't tell me it
was coffee, I wouldn't say it was coffee.
Like it doesn't taste what I yeah, what I think of as coffee,
right? It hits differently, it tastes
different, it's got a different consistency.
Right. It's good.
It's really good. How's yours It's?
Very good. I drink a lot of it you.
Drink a lot of this. This seems like something
special they do here at coffee you need well.
I like the presentation the way they do it in coffee.
The whole thing is badass. Yeah, all.
Right. And then we would do the same
thing. I, I'm Zella mine.
I shot this one. So then I do three circles.
Turn 3 times towards you. Yeah, actually we have to have
this here. Oh I need this.
Yeah. OK.
And then turn it upside down and then put it at 5:00.
So just so you know how to do this, I'll pick mine up now.
It's going to be very, very different.
It's a little dramatic. OK, Prepare yourself.
Wow, Wow. OK.
AM. I ready to pick mine up.
No, not yet. Just I want you to see, OK, see
how dramatic the coffee is. So remember how this is Now see
all that? Yeah, sounds like a fish.
Really, it's really neat. Look at the head.
Look at the. Boom, no, that one over there,
you see this? Oh, that's a yes.
That is a profile of a boom. Yes, I can see.
And the butt and then the feet. Sure, sure.
That's crazy, right? Yeah.
But look, that's like a snail. OK, You see that?
All right, good. So I'm going to do your reading.
So this is where we are right now.
Can you see it on the camera? Yes.
All right, good. So you see the handle.
This is where you are right now. That's.
Thick sludge. It's very thick, but this is you
actually facing the future. It's kind of interesting because
it's it's coming across with the very interesting.
It's a dog. You see the tail of the dog is
up, not out. Wait a minute.
You see the tail of the dog is up.
There's still little feet of the dog.
It's on its side. Is the dog the I'm looking at
this white space? Have you look at the brown
space? Yeah, coffee.
OK, yes, OK, yes, I see the dog. Yes, the.
Dog. The tails up, the tails pointing
towards the head. Yeah, OK.
Which is very, very passive, which means when the dog, the
dog is, when the dog is afraid it'll go up or out, when the dog
is the tail is like that. It means friendly, friendly dog,
OK, but also facing the future. OK, that's very interesting
because you're taking on, you're taking on the image of a
friendly dog as you face the feature.
One of the projects that you're on is very friend related or
you're going to be very like. You have to bring in the friend
aspect of it. Could I be working with friends?
Yeah, you could. I have a project with all.
Friends, all right, Good, because this is very important
because you're facing this and it's a little bit of an
hourglass. OK, so that friend project you
see this little image right here.
The black or the? White.
The black. Only black.
OK, yes, I see.
The box here, it's a little bit like an hourglass.
You see how it's smaller at the top and then bigger at the
bottom? Yeah, that's time sensitive.
So your friend project is going to have a lot of time stuff
related. OK, yes.
That's true. So stay on top of that.
What's over your head is California.
That's a California State thing right there.
OK. You see how it goes off into
almost a tail. So I think that project would be
related to California, the state of California.
So you see if you look at the, if you turn it like this, this
is the top of it. And then you come down, you see
how it trickles down, almost as if it's going into another
country. Mexico.
Well, it could be, yeah. So that project, that project
there, yeah, is a California project, OK, that has to do with
your friends and the time limited and that's coming up.
You're going to be very involved in it in the next 60 to 90 days.
Does that make sense to you? Yes.
OK. And it's very good.
The dog is actually standing on. You see that?
It's like it's standing on a little bit of a chicken.
OK, Can you see that a little? There's a.
Chicken. It looks a little bit like a
chicken to me. Looks.
Like a stomach. OK.
But I think it's a chicken because it's got a little bit a
chicken or a duck because it's got a little bit of a floofy
tail there. You had to make that project
happen. That's true.
Because chickens are very nippy. Nippy, nippy.
They want to, like, nip after you.
You ever see chickens? They're not friendly.
OK. You had to fight to have that
project tap. It had a nip after people.
Does that make sense? Yeah.
And then you got it. OK.
But it still requires a lot of attention.
OK. That will actually, the timing
of that is very important because there's a little dot on
top of the hourglass, which means you can get your wish with
that. It could be very successful, I'm
hoping. Yeah, You see the little dot on
top of that? It's kind of interesting because
I would just watch the conversation around it.
You see the time limited thing there, See that little line
coming down from it? You don't want like information
leaking out of it. Like if people can't talk about
it, then they can't talk about it.
OK, Do you know what I mean? Because it looks very leaky.
OK. I would watch that.
OK, I'm on it. That's a big one.
OK, all this stuff back here, very interesting.
You have a very significant tea in your cup.
Do you have a person in spirit with the name with AT first name
with? AT Not often.
OK, who's Thomas? I think Tommy was my brother's
friend, OK, that we talked about, but that that's I, I have
no idea. You see the tea there?
Yeah, Very, very big. OK.
They could, yeah, I guess. You see the little person next
to them. In the white or the.
Black, See the little coffee sick figure.
Yes, oh, Oh yes, in the black. Yes, that's why that made me
feel like it was an afterlife connection.
See that guys? You see the little person like
that. So do you know if Tommy is still
around? No, he's not.
He's in spirit, yes. OK, that's what that is.
But he would have no connection to me.
It's a matter. It doesn't matter.
He had a connection to your brother.
Yes, you see that. So that's what that is.
That's kind of interesting because I'm going to go and do
the timing for the audience. This is December, so this is
November, October, September. So what would be the September
connection for you, your family, your brother?
It's hard to say. There's so many.
September has so many things, so many things.
Is there anything for him particular see?
Did he pass in September on my I think my I think my brother
passed in September. OK.
So that's why it's there, I think it was.
A September? Obviously not anytime you.
See, you see that in the cup. If this is December, this is
November, October, September, you see.
And that's where the little man is standing.
I count with my fingers, see that.
That's why that's there. So your brother's all around
you. He really, I think, is one of
your guides in life. It's kind of interesting because
just in front of that, which means October and November, you
had two big stressful events. Do you see this?
And then you see that one of the events was so stressful that
it's popping out outside of the cup.
You see it almost has a little triangle on top of it.
OK, so that feels really October into November, OK, like around
Halloween time into November. Yeah.
OK, But you see, you see the coffees elevated out of the cup.
Yeah. And that that means that, you
know, your brother's really a protector to you.
OK, I want to go back a little bit further than that.
Going to August. You're almost sitting.
You see that. You're sitting in like a kayak.
You see your little head. It's so funny.
It's like you're gliding along. Yeah, right there.
Yeah. And.
It's kind of interesting too, because I don't know if you ever
do any writing, but all of these lines here talk about writing.
Writing. Writing you mean?
Writing, writing, writing, writing.
OK. And that's very important.
So I would by seeing this each line like this going into the
future, I want to look for that again and I don't see it.
OK, what? About all that shit.
This is different. OK, so let's move on from here.
This would be January, February, March, April.
Boom. Now on the other cup, didn't we
see stuff in April? The cups match?
Look at all that. OK?
This looks quite literally like a Christmas tree.
See all the branches of this tree coming out like that?
The people, OK, there's a big piece of the bark, the top of
the tree, but all of these things are people, and they have
to do with a project you're going to be working on.
That's beautiful. Do you see that?
That's pretty wild. It's really great.
But I love that both cups smacked.
Yeah. And that that gives you the
validity. Let's bring, let's bring both.
Well, they're opposite sides of the handle.
Does that matter? Well, you know, like that was,
that was it. But we also talked about the
timing, yeah, being the same. Yeah, that was it, right, Right.
There. That was it right there.
Yeah. Look at both of these side by
side. I'll hold them.
Yeah. There you go.
Look at that. It's crazy.
You gonna see that there? Wow.
So now with the Turkish cup, you should put the thumbprint in
your heart. That'll work.
Yeah, just press it down. Does it matter which hand?
No, it's fine. It's easier for the camera and
yet now you wipe it on the thing.
Let me see if it shows anything. It didn't really show anything.
It's hard to tell all. Right.
Good. Yeah.
I'd rather be. But you know what's interesting
about the bottom of your cup, since we're talking about the
heart, is from left to right you see the darkness of the color.
Yeah, lightens up. As your year goes on, you're
going to take yourself less seriously, you see that?
Well. I think you do though things
that matter to the heart. You see how dark that is?
Yeah, Then it gets lighter and then that project in April is
where that light part is. So that.
'D be nice, wouldn't? It isn't that amazing.
That's wow, Kathy. Wow, that was so fun.
Very good. Oh, my God.
I know. But the cups are so different if
you put the two together. Yeah.
This is for the audience. Yeah, mine's here.
This is Kathy's look at hers. That's like full black.
Yeah. Black heart.
Lindsay lightens up. Who would have thought?
No one would have ever thought my heart lightens up.
Yeah. It's insane.
Wow, very good. That was so fun.
It was really good.
Thank you so much. Yeah, so now you know the
difference of coffee and you see the difference of doing the
readings with coffee and it's going to do like one more than
the other. The the reading, well, I found
the I found the reading, but like getting into the readings
for a second. This is very unique.
I've never had circus coffee, so that was wild.
But it's like the I, I think it's wild that the the readings
matched up in that certain yes, in your time, yes.
Calendar. That's the point of doing it.
That's the So what? That's the So what?
So cool.
There's one thing in your life and the next cup with different
coffee is consistent with your past, your present and your
future. You know you're on the right
track. I love it.
I love it too. Kathy, thank you so much.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, it was so
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