I'm too old, dude, I'm too old. Dude, you know, and I always try
to explain like I try to read every comment, try to interact
with everybody, depending on what I'm doing, sometimes,
sometimes it's just impossible because it's just the site,
especially where I am, if I'm somewhere during the day and
it's a bright background and like it's, it's nearly
impossible. Tammy Karina.
Heather Gracie, what's going on, guys?
Box, He's joining us for this session.
It's funny box. Is joining us yeah.
So it it is we're we're you know, you're older than me.
Yeah, yeah, yes. You know what?
That, you know what that is? That's from years and years of
US playing video games up close to TV, because we have.
Part of it's genetics. I think it's just old, Old
people eyes. Yeah, old people eyes.
The next time I talk to his spirit, I got to ask Him.
I got to be like, hey, what's your eyesight like?
Yeah, yeah. Does your eyesight get better
when you're dead? It's a real question.
Like, wouldn't it suck if you like, you wake up dead and you
can't find your glasses and you got to go through eternity with
like, I can't see shit? Right, 2020 vision my ass, you
know. Oh my God.
So the other night when I was at the cemetery joking or I was
humid, Uncle Gary, it was humid like, I mean like.
That's gross. I hate it.
I know. I hate the humidity.
I am just sweating and. It's the worst.
Nonchalantly say to the spirits, spirits, you're lucky you're
dead and you probably can't feel the humidity.
And it's and it and the spirit cursed me out when I said that
spirit got upset and I did realize like it's kind of like,
you know, they might have take taken it as mocking them like
hey, you're dead. You can't feel this.
But like they got upset when I said it and I was like oops.
Well, it's like you know, you should you should chill out.
I hate the humidity. It's another interesting to add
it to the list. What's up Hope or M Hope or
mope? What do you like to say?
Your name? It's hope Shadowhunter what's
going on. See what's happening?
It's funny. Everybody.
Welcome. Welcome.
We're starting to get the people in there trickling in.
Yeah. You take one week off live and
it's like you're 40. People go down to 10.
These are the diehards, John. The other ones who are like,
they got to sit on their phone. They're like, when these mother
effers go live, we're there. I am there.
It's like the bathroom. Yeah.
It's like, you know why? It's just.
Like the spirits live, you know? They don't.
But yes, everyone, this is Splintered Spirits, the podcast
where we talk about all things paranormal with John Santa from
Santa Paranormal and me, Gary, as we try to figure out what
spirits are, if we ever can. But we are going to do our
damnedest to try. John, what happens in the world
of paranormal for you this past two weeks?
We didn't get to catch up last week.
Oh man, unfortunately the weather was just such a bummer.
You know, I was, I was definitely kept indoors quite a
bit interesting, though. Like, you know, the tower is the
tower. I mean, last night, the night
before, for example, the bathroom spirit Lisa slams the
toilet seat down. I mean like.
Did you leave it up? Because that's not very
gentleman all the time. I'll leave it up all the time.
Not a gentleman, you're not. You're not a gentleman.
Well, Lisa's there. Yeah, well, you know what?
She slams it. That's not my problem.
She doesn't pay rent, you know, I do.
So I leave it up, you know, for myself, I leave it up.
So she got pissed, She slammed that, and then about an hour
later she threw something. Well, I don't want to say it was
her, but somebody threw something upstairs while I was
down here. What?
Did they throw do you know? It was it actually it was a
small 6 pack of AA rechargeable batteries and the case that
recharges them is what ended up getting get ended up getting
tossed. So luckily they broke the case
but luckily I had another one. So they got they got upset.
They got upset for short. Don't know why.
I don't know if it was Lisa, but.
What do you think gets them? What do you think effects
spirits? The mood of spirits.
Listen, that's an interesting question because it could be so
many different factors. I have noticed in the past that
my mood will affect the spirits as well.
So if I'm in a piss poor mood, it will, you know, the spirits
will not respond to me like they normally would.
I have to be in a very good mood and then I'm walking a fine line
because if I'm in a good mood then I'm all over the place, you
know. So it's, it's like if I can
catch that vein, that fine line and walk it where I'm in a good
mood, I can talk to the spirits. It's perfect.
But my mood seems to affect them.
Well, why do you think that is? Why do you think a mood?
What? What do you think mood effects
spirits? It definitely has to do with a
spirit either feeding off the byproduct of what we release,
you know, as humans, Like when we're angry, when we're, you
know, sad, when we're happy, you know, that, you know, just
whatever that is. I don't know what that is, but
it's definitely something, you know, and that affects the
spirits. And I've noticed like, for
example, I like, like, I try not to get angry at places the same
way I, I don't get scared, you know, getting scared isn't my
issue. Getting angry is an issue
because I don't know what that's going to feed.
I don't know what that's going to feed.
And maybe it's the same reason why some spirits attach and they
try to, you know, attach to us as humans and they try to some
pretend to be our loved ones just to get that feeling.
I mean there could be multiple reasons.
What exactly is, was it was it Brandon that was talking about
attachments in this way? What, what, what do you, you
know, what exactly is, you know, attachment when you say that,
like when you say they're going to get attached, what are they
attaching to and what is that? What is that like?
What do? What do you mean by that?
So theoretically, you would think they would attach to your
nervous system. You think they would actually
attach to the nervous system, which you know, runs up to the
brain. Theoretically.
It's not like they're going to latch onto your ear.
Biologically, you're saying? Biologically and but there's
different, many different forms of attachments.
Like there's a difference between a spirit that's
following you say, like when I'm walking around the cemetery and
I know I have a spirit following me.
Or if, you know, something latches on to me and comes home
with me or goes to a different location, you know, and there's
different degrees of attachments, you know, and then
at what part does an attachment actually become a possession?
You know, it's, it's really interesting to think about.
There's so many different levels to it.
All right, I mean, it's, it's like because it's is it they are
becoming a part of you or is it like just a crazy ex-girlfriend
who won't leave you alone? And is that an attachment?
Crazy ex-girlfriend. I don't think they become a part
of you. I think they try.
Right. But then it's like more of an
they get obsessed with you for some reason, so they're
following you around. But then why can't they do that
whenever they want? But you're saying Intent can
stop them somehow from doing that?
Yes, if you have if, if your intent is strong enough.
And again, I think it goes back into your feelings and what
you're releasing. You know, when I go to these
places, it's like you're you're not following me.
You went, you're not attaching to me, You know, and I bend that
rule a little bit depending on where I'm at.
If I'm walking around the cemetery, yeah, you want to
follow me, go right ahead. But you're not following me when
I leave. You'd almost like your mental
status is what effects that. Well, it's almost What's odd
about it is that in this theory, spirits respect consent.
I mean, you know. What I'm saying like it's like
consent is clearly important in the spirit world.
Yes, yes, yo, permission, consent.
Oh yeah, definitely. Right.
Like, whoa, sorry, you know, Yeah, they're stepping back.
For some reason, that followed me around for about a month
every time I went to this particular cemetery.
His name was Joshua. I will never.
Forget the spirit. Tell us about Joshua.
The spirits did. But tell us about Josh.
What do you know about Joshua? First of all, like how old was
his soldier? Was it a?
No, so Joshua was a a new burial.
He was he was definitely a newer like a a newer spirit.
He was definitely somebody that was buried in the section that I
normally don't go to. And this spirit, all he talked
about was food, mainly, mainly Italian food.
Like that's a it took me a bit to realize this because I
thought it was just advertisements, radio, you know,
talking about food. But then he's like John, I love
marinara sauce. You know, I really like chicken
parm too. And I'm like, I got a spirit
following me around talking about food.
So imagine this spirit. Maybe we have a conversation and
then all of a sudden, hell no, don't forget about pizza, you
know, And it's like Josh. So it was, it was funny.
And then for about a week, this, this actually is a darker story.
There was something went wrong. I don't know if it was a legal
issue or an open investigation. And I shit you not, there was a
casket that was not lowered down into the ground yet.
Oh, OK. So was there.
The mound of dirt was there. The hole was there.
There was no people around protecting those.
People around, it was like that for about a week or two.
No, it was not. I I shit you not, this is
online. Did you open it?
No, no, this.
And I didn't, I didn't know about it because I never go in
this section until like I saw it and then it made sense.
So what was happening was I had a very angry spirit following me
around and it was yelling at me and cursing me out and I had no
idea why. And then I saw the the casket
and I saw that it wasn't lowered.
And I thought to myself, this is either a legal issue, open
investigation, or a malfunction in the equipment.
But you would think if it was a malfunction in the equipment
they would have had to fix the next day.
This was like this for about 2-3 days.
Dude, you can't. I mean, wait a minute, hold on a
second. You're telling me they just left
the Do you think there was a body left?
The body. I I can't confirm that there was
a body in the. Casket, like they just left it
out. Like I don't know what we're
going to do it. He ain't going anywhere.
Let's just leave it out. Yeah, it was the IT was the
craziest thing. And then the second the casket
was buried and covered up, it stopped.
So they took a couple of days for them to do it.
So I don't know if there was ever even a body in there.
I didn't check. I wasn't going to go near it.
Well, I don't want to also, you know, mess something up and then
I lose my privileges there. I know, but I mean dude, hell,
that must have been real hard to not take a little sneak peek.
Oh it was dude. Even when I turned off the.
Camera, yeah. Like I, I, I stood there, I
packed up, put everything away, put my book bag on and literally
turned around and faced the direction of where that casket
was and was like, do I want to go check this out?
And I don't know what, let me not let me not just in case
there's a cop somewhere or you know, or who knows, maybe the
family set up a a trail Cam, who knows?
I don't know. I didn't know what the situation
was so. I was like.
Let me let me use my brain and just, you know, body in there or
not, let me walk away. Be a good prank show bit right?
Imagine just seeing like. Set up and they were waiting for
me to go to it. Let's see if someone actually
would do it. He had that happen to me once I
had AI had a dude years ago who was running like a, a YouTube
channel and I didn't know this. And he calls me up and he's
like, hey, man, He was like, do you think one Sunday you could
come work with with me and this company?
We're going to be installing these signs and I know you're
handy and we need an extra hand. We'll pay you well.
And you know, I was a single father at the time too.
And that Sunday came and I had to call him up and I'm like,
hey, man, listen, I can't find a sitter on Sunday.
I'm sorry. I wish I could help you.
And he got all pissed off. Years later, I found out it was
a whole YouTube bit and they were going to try to scare me
and do this whole like, you know, like planned out Frank.
And I said, it's good you didn't do that because I would have
kicked the shit out of somebody. Like I'm not, I don't get
scared. I would, I would have, you know,
done whatever it would have been bad.
Like that would have been really, really bad.
It's fun to see those on YouTube when they go wrong.
I've done a lot of hidden camera shows, you know, years ago.
And it's like, you know, they're, they're, they're pretty
funny when they, when you get good reactions, you know, but
sometimes, you know, people come in and they don't.
The secret when you produce the hidden camera show you like you,
you create a bit that you can burn people through, right?
Because it's expensive. You can't like play a prank on
one person because if you play a prank on one person, they walk
in, they have a spot like that's a camera, that's a camera.
Then there goes your whole bit. So you create the scene where
you can run through, you know, 20 people and you hope to get a
handful of great reactions. You know, like that's the whole
idea behind those shows for the most part, scare tactics even
they used to do it like that too, but they would get a couple
people through the same bit, you know, nominated through it to
burn through it. All right, So look, when you're
talking about for your part, mostly right, when you're saying
like this sort of connection with a spirit, a lot your your
interactions with them seem to be mainly like an interviewer,
right? You know, like you ask
questions, you do this. Have you, have you ever had a
situation where it's gotten, but I guess it's always been very
surface oriented, you know what I'm saying?
Like there's never been a deeper, has there ever been a
deeper connection with the with the Spirit?
Yeah. So how do you?
Yeah, go. So tell me.
About So I, I, yeah, so I, I, I, I have levels to this right like
I'm going to we're going to talk about a most recent video was
the spirit with Edwin that, you know, didn't remember that he
had he didn't remember his wife's name, but he brought up
that he had two wives, which I missed in the initial video
caught it afterwards in the replay, he brought up his son
James. You know these are getting these
are the interviews. These are the questions, right.
The next time I stumble, I look for Edwin.
Last night I couldn't find him. I couldn't remember where his
headstone is. But I'll, I'll end up finding it
soon, right? So the next time happens, I have
an opportunity now that I know Edwin's strong enough to do a
deeper dive into into him and to what he's about.
And you know, you know what he did when he was alive and, you
know, find out more information about him, maybe even start
building up a friendship where this has happened.
Well, it's happened on 2 levels, not just friendship wise.
It's happened on nemesis wise as well.
You know Edward is a prime example of that.
Like Edward, he's like, right, He's your adversary in a weird.
Right, like Edward is a prime and I hate to say it but I have
to say cuz you gotta give credit where credit is due.
Edward is one of the strongest spirits that anybody will ever
have the pleasure of listening to.
It really is. He's he's a super strong spirit,
highly intelligent, knows what's going around, adapts the
situations. He's just all he's there, you
know, and then I've had others though that were good, like
Joseph T June and Joseph Churchwell and Elmer and Anne
Purdy and like all these other spirits that are, it goes, we go
deeper. Our relationship gets, gets,
gets, you know, deeper and, you know, things start to develop.
Like another prime example is Bruce in Virginia 2 spirits that
I've been speaking to husband and wife that I've been speaking
to for years. Bruce in Virginia, we had a
great relationship until Virginia starts hitting on me.
Her husband's there. Like I know her husband is, is,
is hearing me as well. It's a very awkward situation.
And you could go back and watch some of my videos, my
interactions with them, and you're just like, like, this is
nuts. Like you could see like, and
people who've been watching me for years saw this develop over
time, you know? How far do you push it and when
do you stop? All right, so I stopped once I
realized that the communication is dwindling.
That means either two things, either the spirit is losing its
purchase on this reality, whatever that purchase is,
losing energy, losing however frequency, whatever you want to
call it, whatever's going on, something is happening that's
making the spirit come through less and less or not at all.
You know, that's when I usually stop and I do a hard reset.
I I'll push it until I can't push it anymore.
But but I'm smart with it, as in I keep my time limited.
So like, if I'm talking like this, like the conversation with
Edwin, I stopped that conversation.
I realized, oh shit, this went on for over 5 minutes.
I got to stop this now, just in case he's burning through
something unknown that's allowing him to speak to me this
way. Is that when you get?
But it also sounds like too with some of them, you care and
you're letting out an emotion with that.
You'll get definitely, definitely.
And is that risky, do you think? As long as I care enough, I'm
caring more about the documentation than I am the
actual spirit. You know, in the back of my
mind, it's all about the documentation.
So the, the, the, the feelings that I care about and it's
heartless. It is for me to say I'm open and
honest with my audience about it too.
Even with the children's spirits, it's about the
documentation. At the end of the day, there's
no, you know, there's no, I'm not going to sully or sacrifice
the documentation for the spirit sake.
That's not what I'm here to do. I never have claimed to be
anything or, you know, to help spirits.
A spirit psychologist, You know, something to help spirits feel
better about themselves, No. If I come across the spirit that
feels good about themselves or we excellent.
If I come across the spirit that's horrible and feels bad
about themselves or we excellent, Let's document it.
But you can see like even your audience, right?
Like they get you can see how a person could almost attach the
other way. Like, I mean, I'm reading your
the chat here, right? Cast Mr. Churchwell's story is a
heartbreaker. He's so nice, you know what I
mean? Like she's she's saying, so
she's like all in on this story, right?
And she buys into, you know, so she's in, she's sort of getting
involved, you know what I mean, in that story.
Kathy's in the chat. Kathy's in the chat too.
Hey, listen everybody do me a favor if you have not followed,
especially on Instagram, she's got a huge following on
Instagram. Go on Instagram, do Kathy Nadala
follow. She is awesome.
She was one of our first guests here on Splinter Spirits when we
start diving into medium shift, definitely ever a follow.
She's phenomenal. She's also on TikTok now and
she's got a bunch of other things in the work so.
Get yourself a reading at Dream Central Station dot com.
Get yourself a reading. It is.
And Kathy is one of the very few in the scheme of things who has
been certified by the Forever Family Foundation.
If you guys listen to this week's episode, I wanted to meet
with him. Just we'll digress for a second
here. Talk about this mediumship stuff
because again, I wanted to speak to this guy Bob Ginsberg about
it because what they they, you know, talk about skeptical.
They are very tough on the idea of what mediums are and but
yeah, and it's and they have a a real hard line of how they go
about testing people and eventually certified them.
And most of the mediums guys that you know of that are famous
on TV, like the Long Island medium, he was certified, you
know, like, and then they go on after certification.
A lot of these people then they go on and do private practice
when they're when they work for the Forever Family Foundation
that is not-for-profit. They don't get paid to help
grieving families out. But so afterwards they go on and
do their own thing. Kathy is one of those people.
She is legit, you know, of it's all she is.
And to this organization, they believe and she passed their
test. And she kind of, she has a
connection, you know, to spirit, which is wild.
Yeah, so Kathy did ask a question.
She asked, you know, she would like me to talk about how I
protect myself before and after leaving a cemetery and how I
open and close myself. That actually falls into intent.
It's it's it's literally all about intent for me.
And certain places I go to, and I speak about this all the time,
like if I go to buck out, for example, or I'm in the abandoned
side of the undisclosed location, what I do to, I guess
people would call it to cleanse myself is put myself in a more
positive situation. So like, for example, if I go to
buck out at night, most of the time during the day, there's a
chance I'm going to be at the Ocean View Cemetery, which has
got the best, you know, resting place of view for, you know,
anybody could ever have. It's a very peaceful, serene
place, but it's mainly intent. It's actually mainly intent.
It's just that that unwavering, you know, intent.
But going back, because we're jumping around a little bit,
going back to Churchwell, there are exceptions where Mr.
Churchwell, his story was tragic, right?
He was a Civil War soldier. He was 19 when he died from his
wounds from the Battle of the Wilderness, which was considered
the most horrific battle of the Civil War.
It was a, it was a bad one. And when I come across spirits
like that, I, I also got like, you know, I say it all the time,
you know, that's a man right there.
That's a man that will be. Yeah.
So what I have, you know, 20 years as a volunteer
firefighter, you know, whatever, that's a man, you know what I'm
saying? Like it's like, that's a, that's
a even more than just a man. That's a human being that you
know, I don't know the way, way better than ever I could be.
Well, you know, it's so look, it is an interesting topic about
where you draw that line. And I was reading and I want you
to pull this up. Dude.
I, I was, I've been really looking into this idea because
we talk about spirit communication, but there clearly
is bonds or attachments that are made.
And check out the New York Post. Bro, pull up the New York Post.
I don't know why the New York Post is an authority, a
paranormal if they are, but they write articles about it.
But pull up, I still can't. I still can't believe that this
is in the New York Post. But read OK, tell everybody what
it is and then. OK, Yeah, So.
And when was it? When was when did this drop?
I was. Just going to read the headline.
Are you ready and when did this drop?
What's the date of this? It's not that long ago.
It's not that old. May 9th, 2025 S just dropped to
May 9th this year. Yeah.
This is May 9th of this year. The New York.
Post article is as follows. I had a threesome with my
bisexual woman and my dead husband's ghost.
He finally got his happy ending. OK, yeah, it finally happened.
That's the 2 girls, 2 girls, 1 ghost by the way.
Yeah, 53 years old now. I want to touch on this before
we dive in even even more. To this I cannot tell you.
Have you ever heard me? Have you ever heard me say the
phrase spiritual rizz? Yes I have.
I have. I have tons of videos on spirits
hitting on me, both male and female.
OK OK sure. I think it's.
Hilarious. You're a Big Bear, dude.
Even though it's even though it's like, gay spirits must
really dig it. Yeah, although it's.
Like the other thing I actually love coming across the gay
spirits. They're one of There's some I.
Wonder if it's like? Because what an honor think
about it like this. What an honor it is to have a
man who had to stay in the closet because of the times he
was in and now that he could finally come out and be like,
hey, I like men. I think you're attractive of all
the people, he says. It's amazing.
I know it's great. I think it's great.
I also wonder, I also wonder though, if like you know, is
there any sort of, is it sexually fluid afterlife it has?
To be you. Know what I'm saying?
Like, who care? You know, it's like, is there
such a thing as you know? It's just the one big orgy of
ghosts. It has to be and I also.
The greatest party ever? I also, yeah, right.
I also feel that spirits feed off sexual energy all the time.
All the time. And, and and and we see a lot of
this at the cottage. Right, So all right, now go back
to this article. Let's go back to this article
real quick, OK? Because this is a woman who I
think when I read it, I want you to read to our to our, to our
crowd here. Or you can jump around.
But it's like, maybe the relationship went a bit too far.
But let's see, one second, another, another spirit is being
made. Didn't make a difference.
I was going to try to block it out this time, but.
Another spirit's being made every time a siren rings.
Another one's being made. Another spirit gets it's.
So, All right, so what's interesting, this is from
Manchester. This is from England.
OK, this story. They're wild over there.
She identifies as a bisexual. She claimed her husband, Andy,
dreamed about having threesomes. Fantasized about it, they joked.
She said it would be a treat on his 60th birthday. 60th Playboy.
Unfortunately, he died from COVID in 2020.
Oops. And they never got to do it.
And then what's it called? Let's see here.
All right. They were about to do it, too.
They had the whole thing planned out.
They were going. To get isn't it weird because he
was probably, he's probably old. Sorry.
Do you ever see any documentaries on swingers or any
of this thing? Do you ever see these things?
They're always old, dude. It's almost like they hit a
certain age and we're like, we're going crazy.
It's never like smoking hot swingers.
It's like old people swingers. It's like they're less like it's
we've done it all now we're old now.
We're going to really shake things up now.
We're going to. Yeah, but go ahead.
So now. So she was going to, she's
finally she had it down. But then he died from COVID.
Yep. So hold on, I'm a fast reader,
so I'm just going to let me give you the synopsis.
Let's see here. Does talk about where she's like
felt his presence or something? Wow.
Yeah, yeah. So what they did is they got a
picture of the man, OK? And yeah, yeah, yeah.
During the romp, Wake said she felt the widowmaker's presence
and said that he absolutely supported her getting back in
the sack with a woman. Oh, wait a minute.
OK, so this, this, this was more of a cuckold situation than it
was an actual threesome. He was in.
He was in the room watching. They just said that he felt his
presence rather than it's a little bit of a click bait
article, Put that against the New York.
Yeah.
So, you know, it was more like a cuckold situation.
He was there in spirit. She said.
They both. Literally.
And then they felt his presence and they probably put his
picture in a chair so he could watch the two chicks make out.
That's his bag. That was me personally.
Me personally, if I was her, I would have got some of his
ashes, had a dildo casted out of it and yeah.
Right. Made a party out here, it's a
different kind of party. For sure happened, you know.
Yeah, right. It's really interesting.
So it's OK. So she's in her mind, though she
said she really felt him there. Yes.
Yeah. So she invited him in.
Yeah, right to do. It and if they both felt the the
husband there, the dead husband there, he could have been
feeding off that energy. Sure, there's a word for this.
I looked it up and there's actually a word for it.
It's called spectrophilia. Yeah.
People who are some, you know, sexually attracted to spirits,
ghosts and spirits. It's a thing, guys, it's a real
thing. Yes, it is.
And it really comes down to I believe so I guess people will
just fuck anything. A. 100 percent, 100%.
I got, I got a buddy who runs, I got a buddy who runs an ER out
here and he owns a lot of the urgent cares.
One of the other parents in my kids school doctor.
And it's just like, you know, basically throughout his career
as an ER, you know, the head of an ER, there really isn't any
object he hasn't pulled out of someone's ass.
Like you can anything you can name, he's pulled it out of
somebody's ass. I mean, it's just like, it's
really great. Like, you know, from the light
bulbs, toys, forget it. Hot Wheels.
Hot Wheels have been a more asshole.
Yep. Fit on race tracks, Yep.
But it's insane. It's insane dude.
They're leading the way, you know?
They're leading the but it's like, so all right, so this
woman clearly had, you know, wanted her husband back, brought
it back. It's a really interesting thing
when you talk about letting yourself be an open to
communicating, but closing yourself off for safety, right,
Or letting yourself open for beyond that, beyond
communicating in some cases and then closing yourself off for
safety, like when can you, if you can close it, you're.
Going to you're going to find this very interesting in the
early in the early Shabba days, going back to the fireplace
room, OK, when I'd sit in the fireplace room and we'd Shabba,
I would especially in the summer, start bleeding because
of my skin. And a lot of times when the
spirits would be like, you know, oh, yo, we want blood this, that
and the other. I would literally start throwing
my blood at the fireplace. And there's videos you could get
low down, you know, on my TikTok of the spirits responding to it,
like actually like, you know, responding to what I am doing.
Responding to blood, you're saying?
Yeah, yeah, like so go with that.
And the reason why I'm bringing this up is it it going back to
like the openness of it. When I when I shabba, obviously
I get loose and that whole you know, when I when the spirits
like I want blood and I'm like, I'm not giving you blood spirit
get some shabba in me and that goes 5050.
You know, I'll be like, yeah, maybe, you know, and it's, it's
really interesting to think about.
Why do you. Call it shabba.
Is it because it's because Tic Tac doesn't allow you to say
tequila or something? Yes.
Listen. Yes, so we call it Shabba and
and and it's it's, it's rooted. It's rooted from battling the
sweet kings, from somebody lying to me in the chat telling them
the that spirits means Shabba ha.
But in reality, Shabba ha's like blow them up or something like
that. So you can understand, you know,
white dude from the states on live with somebody from the
Middle East yelling Shah Baha. It's not, it's it's yeah.
So once I found out what the actual word meant, the actual
word in Arabic for spirit is Shah Bah.
Oh. Interesting.
Now we call. That's why we call that that I.
Don't look at that. That was an interesting little.
Now we know that's like a big after school special.
Now we know why it's called. It's All.
Words that mean other things and, you know.
Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But opening yourself up, it's a, it's a big thing, you know?
Crypto billing, thank you for watching.
We hope you're following. It is a fine line and it's like
you look, you know, we're going to have guys, we have a guest
coming on in a couple weeks on the live that's going to talk to
us a little bit more detail about spiritual relationships
and what that means and the education behind it and how she
protected herself, you know, really.
And it's going to be wild. It's a great story as we dive
deeper into all this. There's a lot and listen, when
it comes to the world and sex and spirits, there is a lot of
of opinions, circumstances, data.
I mean, just it's insane. Like the things that happened
and going back to that case from the New York Post, we don't
know. There's no way to prove
obviously, of course, that was in the room.
However, if it helps with her grieving, by all means go for
it. And there's a possibility that
he was that and he enjoyed. It Oh yeah.
It's like, like if we're going to here's the thing, if if we're
going to start going down the road, we don't know if this is a
real, but I mean, we'll just never get anywhere.
I think the idea is like, it's more fun to just like, OK, let's
just this, let's start from a place of this is real.
Yes. Let's start from a place of
believability and then work backwards.
Yeah. And then and then work backwards
because otherwise what's the fun and just being like, you know,
Oh, yeah. That's not he wasn't there.
She's crazy or whatever it is. Yeah, Exactly.
All right, I get it. I know that side of it.
It's more fun to theorize about. Well, if it is real, then how is
it real as opposed to how is it not real?
So how is it not real? Theory is simple.
I get it. It's not interesting.
Not interesting to me. What happens like with dead
significant others? So let's say you know you're,
you're in your you know you're in your 40s, your wife passes
away. OK, you remarry.
Does that mean your dead wife is watching you with another woman
now? I don't know, dude.
Vice versa or vice versa and? Then what's that headache like
in the afterlife, if there is one?
Yeah, right. It's like, yeah.
And then what happens when you die?
And if you do reunite with, you know, the said past loved one,
right? And your, your current wife,
she's not dead yet. So you reunite with that one and
then all of a sudden she passes away.
Yeah. Is it just a threesome for the
rest of eternity? Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah, right.
I mean, This is why it's all so, dude, right?
If you die first, it's like, well, great.
It's like, you know what I mean? It's like if they find love
again. If you die first and they find
love again, are you stuck in the afterlife for sort of alone
forever? Yeah.
Or do you get to like you know, or, or is it hopefully just one
big, you know, orgy up there or down there or right here or
where? Imagine there's a line.
There's a line for singles or wannabe singles, you know.
I know, right? It's like, oh, you lost it.
Are you first? Are you a first?
Dog. Yep.
Oh, Mr. Johnson, it looks like your wife's remarried.
Come on down. You know, Yep.
It's like he's like, yeah, he's like, dude, am I stuck?
It's like, she hadn't remarried yet.
I told her that she should move on.
And it's like, and Johnson's like, he's like, she's very mad
guy. And he like, he like, takes his
ghostly ring off and he's like, let's go, let's fucking go.
And he's out there just, like banging ghosts because now he's
free. But then, then she dies first of
her new marriage. So she winds up there and Mr.
Johnson's like, babe, I've kind of been dating all these other
and she's like, well, I thought you were waiting for me, like,
well, I guess that spiritual contract.
Well, it is still depth do you part.
I think once you die, you're single, right?
You're just automatically single even in the afterlife.
Yeah, that's what, that's what. If you buy into that, right, If
you buy into all that. Well, yeah, because that's like
what? That's like word, word craft,
you know, that's. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
You know what I mean? Like an oath, you know?
Yeah, like you know the. Doctors take a hip.
It's a Hippocratic Oath is what the doctors.
Say. Like the same thing.
Like, you know, a lot of people get confused too.
They think that like a a priest or an offician or a rabbi is
marrying the people. No, it's, it's they marry the
people marry each other in every circumstance.
You know, it's, it's a contract between the two people.
So interesting. You know, it's interesting to
think about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sort of like, you know? He's got to be completely
single. So it's like it's almost like
he's the crazy ex. If he's if your ex dies first or
if your significant other dies 1st and they haunt you, then
they're like the crazy ex who can't move on.
It's like, look, dude, it's kind of over, right?
I mean, we had a deal until death do his part death.
You know what? I mean fire your ticket, got
punched early but. Right.
Kathy's telling us death to death to his part is based on
religion in in her opinion, right.
So it's a like death to you part is a religious sort of add on to
the marriage oath, Yeah. According to, you know, yeah,
like you would think most churches, that's what you hear,
right? That to you part, it's like the
most common, right? But let's just roll with it,
even if it's I guess if I guess, do they say that?
I don't know. Is that a vow that is offered
when you get married by the state?
I think it is. I think, you know what, I could
look that up real quick, but I think it is.
But I think you can also change that too.
Right. I'm not sure.
Let me. But let's just roll with it.
Let's just say it's dead. But either way, right, Either
way, with religious or non religious, if you get married
and you say that, then you've made in your contract with this
other person until death do us part like this contract is good
until death, right? No matter what, what religion or
what, if you've said it to each other and that's what you agreed
to, that's your deal. So now your significant other is
dead and they stick. And if they stick around and
haunt you, they're kind of like a crazy accident.
She'd be like, hey, man, the deal's off like we broke, you
know, you know, it's over, right?
Like you went and died for whatever reason, even if we were
taken or whatever, but it's over now.
I'm single, right? It's like there goes the ring,
you know I can do my thing like why don't you get out there,
start dating, go on some ghost Tinder and start pulling ass and
leave me alone right? Like I don't know what to say,
you know, I guess right. I don't know what the.
What was so what's interesting like from it like a data
perspective, like if I get serious about it for a minute,
I've come across situations where husband and wife's are
together even in the afterlife. Bruce in Virginia, Herbert and
Anna, well, they're together and then other ones where they're
not, where they actually don't like each other.
Like funny enough, I had a Joseph and Mary that, you know,
Joseph was a complete a hole. He not only was an A hole to his
wife in life, but also in death and she wanted nothing to do
with him. I to this day when I approach
his headstone, he starts shit with me and I talk shit back to
him about how I made his wife leave him.
It's, it's really funny and you know, it's.
It's you're finally convinced her.
You're finally convinced her to move on.
And then, for example, like Anne Purdy, the dad I have with her
and her husband, is that, you know, they don't get along very
well. Yeah.
So it's really interesting. Like some stick together and
actually are together. Like when I speak to them, I'm
speaking to the both of them. And.
Well, here's a thing. Well, here's an interesting
thing, right? When you're talking about the
sticking together, let's go with your theory of what spirits are
for a second memory, right? So the memory of them.
Together. Right.
Is it, is it a sort of a fused memory or you know what I mean?
Or is it a, what are you actually talking to versus are
these the 2 spirit? Are these two separate spirits?
Do you know what I mean? Like, right?
Is it like you get couples because a couple has had a life
together, you know, right. So they've got a lot of memories
together. That's a lot of energy together.
And, and what's crazy is if memories of a husband and wife
find each other, if they gravitate and they stay because
it's the same, almost the same memories, even though it's two
different perspectives. Like, you know, the day you go
to the supermarket and somebody slips and falls at the
supermarket and you step out into your into the parking lot
after you're done and you see a car accident at the light.
And then you go back to the house and you watch a really
good movie and you have a really good time.
You remember that whole day. You know, if those two memories
sink, that could be a possibility of why that happens.
So it's not even that they don't like each other or dislike each
other, it's the memory that I'm speaking to at the time.
Right. No.
Right. Huge possibility.
Right, that's interesting. Yeah, brilliant.
That gets weird. Because there are, there are
combos. There are husband and wife
combos, Bruce and Joanna and then Herbert, but Hans and Hans
and Hans and Joanna. I said Bruce and Virginia.
I meant Hans and Joanna. I'm trying to think of others.
There's there's a, there's a couple of them, you know, it's
not like, so it's pretty crazy to think about like are they
intertwined memories? Are they the same, you know, and
are they becoming the same spirit because of it?
Because we don't know how it works.
I wonder, have you ever spoken to?
Have you ever gotten or heard a spirit of someone living?
No like, so you know what I mean, right?
Remember how you know the Lloyd story of the haunting?
The imprint though, right? Like people left the imprint.
They were still alive, but their energy left the imprint of of
them banging it out in that White House. 11 instance during
my community party. I I had a party back in October
and I had a bunch of people come.
We had after the party, a couple of us went to you know, other
places and what not. And like the the following day I
took a bunch of people up to Letchworth and we went to the
cemetery and the wife of one of the the dudes that came to the
party took a picture in this one general spot.
OK now the crazy thing is they call a full blown apparition in
the picture. The problem is the full blown
apparition was one of my mods. And what's crazy is that mod did
not leave my side. So he was on the right of me.
They took the picture on the left.
He never ever, ever moved from that spot.
He never walked in front that way, nothing.
He stayed two people down in this spot.
And then she takes a picture and all of a sudden there he is, a
transparent version of himself. So I'm trying to figure out how
the hell a double exposure would happen when there's.
No movement. I'd be surprised.
I'd be curious dude. I wonder like I don't know how
we test this. Like if some of these because
most of the grades you're dealing with are very old.
So probably those people are also passed by now, but right,
So it's like it would be very odd if you're talking to a
Revolutionary War per couple and that's the wife is still alive
somewhere. You'd have to be talking to
somebody recently passed and maybe there are other, their
significant other is is there. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, listen, it's it's interesting, but when it comes
down to it, I've never spoken to anybody that is alive.
I never have. M Hope is really like, look at
this, what she wrote here. She's saying, I hope my dad
remembers. I hope my my dad remembers my
mom and shoot her out. Just saying.
Interesting. I mean, that's a little dirty.
M Hope. You know, I'm sure that I'm
sure. Yeah, I'm sure He's thinking
about it. Even in the afterlife.
Good for him. He's a giver, you know, that's a
that's a different kind of possession though, you know,
like the one guy that I was, you know, the famous story, the
entity story, which is depending anybody, you know, some of our
older crowd may remember it, but I'm working with the guy who
that was from his case files from back in this late in the
70s, a woman in LA was she thought she was being sexually
assaulted by a ghost. And it's a famous case and they
made a movie about it called The Entity back in the early 80s.
And it was a book about it based on the UCLA case file.
You know, that's a different that seems like a very Now we've
crossed the line where Spirit did not respect the consent that
we've been talking about to keep them from being attached.
Well, that's the thing. Not everybody can turn around
and be like, you do not have the right to touch me.
You will not touch me. Not everybody can do that
because they don't say it with conviction.
They don't mean it. They're scared.
There's fear, there's emotions involved, which were human.
It makes sense. You know, like that's just the
the way it is with me. I have a short fuse and I think
that kind of helps me because I'm very like passionate about
it. Like, no.
You know, like. Just, but then you still got
pushed. I still got pushed and we lost
Gary, but that's OK. But Gary's 100% correct.
I still got pushed. Still.
There. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here.
Sorry, I jumped. Off I still got pushed and and I
always say that my intent protects protects me from
getting attachments, possession and from being followed.
But the one thing I can't lock down is being physically
attacked when they have the energy, when they get the
frequency to do that, I, I will get attacked.
I there's nothing I can do about it.
I tried. There's so many situations where
I've tried like, yeah, you're not going to throw that brick at
me. You know, you're not going to do
this. You're not going to do that.
Doesn't make a difference. Doesn't make a difference.
When they want to get physical, they're going to get physical.
And that's the crazy thing. And I think it's because it's
more of a physical attack. The same way I can't stop Voxi
from hopping off the shelf and, you know, jumping on my head.
Sure, You know, if I don't know what's coming, how am I supposed
to stop it from happening, you know?
Yeah, I'd be very curious, like, you know, the this sort of
connection with spirit and where the line is is an interesting
topic to discuss, especially when we're talking about
communication, right and what it all is.
What do we have coming up next to you?
So we've got listen guys, if you haven't anybody on here who
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It's a real thing. And they are a quite an A really
interesting service that helps keep grieving people with the
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It's a really, it's a really wonderful story and it's an
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Tuesday is with we're going to be doing a little bit of a
deeper dive into Sleepy Hollow. That's one of your favorite
haunts, John, as a living person.
And we have an author of that. We've got an author and a
clairvoyant who wrote a book about it and, and not just about
the Headless Horseman, but there's just some really
interesting takeaways to think about, You know, about the
Headless Horseman and that town in general in terms of group
manifestations, which is a really interesting, another not
quite poltergeist, but poltergeist ish.
You know the idea that the living are creating these myths
and these these spirits, right, or manifesting these spirits and
Agrigore, I think he called. It agrigore it was one of the.
Gores. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is not Al Gore. You know, we're not CRF, we're
not scientists. We're just trying to.
Yeah, right. Right.
It's a yeah. In, in, in, in Agrigore, I
believe he called it. But we talk, we talk about.
It's really interesting. It's really, really wild.
It is really wild and just to get guys again, just to give
everybody a bit of perspective. Churchwell Cemetery is 25
minutes from Sleepy Hollow. So is the tunnels.
So is Milton the the pre war burial ground 20 minutes from
the marshlands. The new spot we go to 15 minutes
from the tower, OK from the tower and 5 minutes from the
cottage. You know, and only 8 minutes
from buck out just to give you an idea.
And driving without normal, you know, in normal traffic, just to
give you an idea of Sleepy Hollow and just how close it is
related to this whole area. I mean, look, there's really
very few places. I mean, Sleepy Hollow is one of
the it's like on every, it's on every top ten list of haunted
places in America, whether it's Route 9 or to go to buck out or
just Sleepy Hollow. You're like Westchester County
is just sort of a known hot spot for lower Westchester County,
man. It's not and it's just nuts.
It really is. It really is.
Westchester, yes, it's great. Listen, guys, I think that's I
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She. Yes, she does.
She does. She does.
She's actually a lot of rock stars.
Yeah, it's fun. Well.
'Cause she's a rock star herself.
I know it's crazy. It's fun.
I love it. I want to get the next time I
next time I get to New York to with Kathy, I'm going to do a
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I love the fact that she reads coffee, which is my favorite.
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