boy? What's going on?
Just getting started here, getting warmed up.
And so I was just, I was just thinking about something.
I am, I was wondering, you know, you know, when you do something
and then you forget that you did it right?
And you're like, and you and you're in like a state of
wonderment. Is that even a word Wonderment.
We're going to make it a word for this.
OK, A state of wonderment. I fixed the central air in the
tower. OK.
And completely forgot that I fixed it, OK.
Like I ran new wires and everything just because it was
not functional when I got in here.
And I'm sitting here and I'm like, yo, I'm so cool.
It feels like it's 60° in here. And then I just remembered that
I got the damn central air working and I have it running
right now because I didn't feel like like being tortured while I
was doing this. You thought it was like you
thought it was magic or something.
Yeah. It was a hot 1 today too.
Jesus. Yeah, it was so hot.
Brutal. Shut this magic off because
we're getting started. Welcome.
Welcome, everyone to Splintered Spirits Live.
What's? Going on, everybody welcome.
Guys, I hope you can hear me OK. You might see me a little in
like as if I'm in a different realm, but that's just my camera
might be doing some weird stuff. It's just I don't know what to
tell you today. It's going to be a we're just
going to as long as you can hear me just fine.
That's really what matters. Don't worry about the sync.
I really, you know, live things are happening.
That's how they go. Hello.
Hello, everyone. It's very true.
Especially when it's live. Especially when it's live, you
know, this week so well, this week, you know, look, we dropped
the Dan Sturgis episode. That was a fun one.
We got some good feedback on that.
Lot of great feedback on that. A lot of great feedback.
People were loved with Dan, you know?
Yeah, Dan's a pro, you know. Everybody, you know, we're going
to see him soon. You know, he's going to he's
I'm, I'm, we're linking up soon. You know, we're going to see him
on the stream. And, you know, who knows, maybe
we'll make it a Thursday and we can, you know, fall right into,
you know, another live episode of Splintered Spirits at the
same time. Well, you know, he's got that
merchant house that he does investigating and he you know,
he really he's been that's his like almost like I would say
it's safe to say his life's work and it'll be really cool if he
lets you in there and you can see what what's going on in into
that place that would. Be cold.
Right. I mean, that's a very different
thing for us. It'd be a nice change of scenery
for you too. And he's just one of those old
school pros, you know, and it's really interesting to so, you
know, in in the vein of that kind of like a classic
paranormal investigator. We have a guest on today and,
you know, I like to do these lives, as you know, with other
influencers. And this guy is like, you know,
I think he much like you in a, in a, in a, in a way, took
advantage of social media early in the paranormal space when
there wasn't a lot of people doing it.
And it's going to be fun to have him on.
I want to talk to him about a lot of things because I, I look
at him and I, I don't think it's obviously, but I feel like he's
a traditionalist in a lot of ways about how he approaches
things. So, you know, I'm excited to get
him on. He'll be joining us very soon.
How's everybody in the chat doing?
What's going on? Chat?
I can't read the chat right now. I got it.
I'll. Read the chat, I'll do.
I'll do some chat reading. Yeah, yeah, Chat reading.
For these fine people, if they've got anything interesting
to say right now, they're just saying hello, hello, hi, hello,
welcome. There it is.
Hello Chat. Yeah, what's everyone saying?
Everyone still has. Everyone cycling in.
Kirsten Renee Hale. We got a lot of cool.
People a lot of meow, a lot of people with meow names and
various cat names in your chat. Meow.
They're all, they're all cat people.
Yep. You know how we do it.
I mean, in general, I think the majority of us are fur baby
people. You know what I mean?
Like, we love both dogs and cats.
I mean, I know I do. I love animals in general.
I'm a dog person for sure. For sure.
I'm low volume. You you're telling me you can't
hear me that well? How's that?
Is that a little better? I can amp it up.
Hopefully that helps. Is that better, folks?
I hear you better. I mean, I was hearing you fine
before, but now? Now I hear you.
I hear you. OK.
All right, Isn't. That weird usually if I'm if
either I'm having the issues or you're having the issues.
I know dude, the lives are. The lives are tricky for sure.
What's up with the performance issues?
You know, it's usually not a problem for either of us.
I like this service because it's easy, but like for quality,
because we're going through the web, it's always iffy.
Right. It's not like there's the other
service that everybody uses, which is which we used to use
the Riverside FM, which we can go back to as this gets bigger
because it does give you a better quality because it
uploads the video after. After.
Yeah, but it's like, man, you know, as we're starting out,
this one just looks good and it's easier to use.
Yeah, so you. Know, I mean, it looks good.
Now I'm reading the chat. Now I'm reading the chat.
What's up? What's up?
Yeah, it looks good. I'm I'm watching it right now.
I'm watching the all. Right.
Cool, cool. Hopefully our guest is going to
join us any minute. Hopefully he's not having any
problems logging in. And then once we get him here,
we will. We'll get going.
But yeah, OK, everyone's saying much better.
We great. Wait.
You know away. Yeah, so I was, I was cleaning
some graves today. That's what I did.
For where? Where were you going?
Where were you cleaning them? No, the same old spot, same old
cemetery where I have permission to do it and what not.
And I'm usually there, you know, every other day, every day,
depending on the weather, of course.
The weather's just been horrible.
I mean, it was even raining on me when I was there for a bit.
You know, it's just the way it is these days in New York, I
guess with the summer. But it was interesting.
I got a couple interesting responses.
I think the mother of a 5A5 month old headstone I was
cleaning came through. Do you find that you get more
action? Do you find that you get more
action when you're cleaning a child's gravestone versus an
older person's gravestone? No, no, it's been 5050 because
I've cleaned both, you know, I've cleaned almost every age
that, you know, age groups, if you will.
And like, it's it's 5050. You never know what's going to
come through. You never know, you know, if
anything's going to come through.
I mean, there's been somewhere, it's just been, you know,
gibberish where it's nothing coherent or may I say my nothing
that passed my bar, you know, that made me go, OK dude, did
you see that? The video I posted the other
day. Well, hold on, I want to get to
that, but our, our guest is in the waiting room.
He just said I don't want to keep him, keep him waiting too
long. No, let me tell you about, let
me tell you about our guest. Everybody who's sitting here, I
think he can hear me and hopefully he's going to let me
embarrass him by bragging about him for just a minute.
Our guest today is Brandon. Our guest today is Brandon
Kramer. All right, Brandon is a seasoned
paranormal investigator with over 2 decades of hands on
experience exploring the unknown.
He is a Wisconsin native. And by the way, let me say this,
I, I wouldn't even have to say that his, he's got one of those
Wisconsin accents that's classic, just like you and I
have that Goombaugh New York accent.
Like you're going to know where this cat's from right away.
He's worn many hats, right? He's an investigator, a ghost
hunter, an educator and a trainer.
And I get he really enjoys coaching others and I'm hoping
to get some information out of him because I need the coaching
for sure because I don't know shit about anything.
Which is a fact, right? Over the years, Brandon has
uncovered compelling evidence of unexplained phenomena and shared
his insights as a guest on numerous podcasts, including his
own paranormal Watchtower, which you guys can check out on
YouTube. But for most he's known as real
ghost hunter one which you can find.
And dude, he's got over 450,000 TikTok followers.
So let me bring him in right now and add him to the stream.
How are you? How's it going?
Good man. How are you?
All of us. Cool.
Can you see it? Can you hear us OK?
Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear.
No problem. No problem.
I was actually watching on here. I'm like waiting to come in.
I'm like, so John, I, I haven't seen you for a long time, just
watching a lot of the lives. I got questions for you if we
have time for that. It's nice to meet you face to
face. Nice to meet you too.
Thank you. So thanks for having me in.
I'm excited. I like, I love doing these so,
but we can just jump right into it whenever you're ready.
Cool. Yeah, I would love to.
I always, I always start every, every question.
The first question I ask all of our guests is this one, because
what we try to do on splintered spirits, it's really about
spirit communication and what are spirits?
So I want to ask you, what do you think spirits are and what
happens when we die? OK, well, and, and that is a has
been a big topic as of lately, as in the last year, there's a
lot of controversy. People think they're just demons
and this and that. But I, I am old school.
I believe that they are spirits of our past.
I call them past personalities. That's kind of what I call them.
Instead of ghosts or spirits, I just call them past
personalities. That covers the whole gamut of
things. But they're definitely, in my
opinion, used to be human, so they're souls.
Spirits, OK, but you say it's soul.
When you say souls, do you say that in like a religious sense
or do you say is there no like what?
What is? What do you think it is?
Well, and, and that's a good question, but to me, when you're
talking about what we're talking to, what we're communicating
with it is it isn't a religious thing.
It's a spiritual thing. And I know how hokey that
sounds, but it's definitely because no matter what your
religion is, there's an afterlife, whether you want to
admit it or not, you know, so everybody has their own words
that they want to call it, but it's all the same thing.
We all go to the same place, you know, we all go to.
I shouldn't say we go to the same place.
We go through the same steps and end up going wherever we need to
go and do whatever we need to do.
But to say that it's religious based, No, no, it's not
religious based. It's spiritual based.
It's just you are what you are. There's no way to change that.
You can't label it as a religion, you know what I mean?
OK, OK. Now, when you got into this, you
know, so it's like, are, did you have mentors or like how did
you, how did you start? I mean, we'll get into like how
you really started and what turned you on to but like, how
did you get? I saw, you know, I saw that you
were, you know, you were giving tours in haunted locations and
you were, you'll be a private practice where someone calls
you. But like what taught you your
methodology? Because I look at you man, and I
see like a guy who has a very and some of the interviews I've
seen of you in the videos I watch you, you clearly have a
methodology and I kind of know. How did you come to?
Well, a lot of, a lot of it, a lot of it is, is through
personal experience. And that's how everybody should
grow, in my opinion. Yes, you can take hints from
other people and I have, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not one of
those guys who's going to come out and say, whoa, you know, it
was, I watched Ghost Adventures and that made me do it, although
it kind of did. I will admit, you know, there's
a little bit of truth to that. There's I like to think as
myself is because I used to like when I first started on TikTok,
people used to call me Zach Baggins of TikTok.
That's before he had a bad rap. You know what I'm saying?
But just because I dress like a doesn't mean I'm just like a so.
But there's there's certain things that you should take from
from Zach from like Jason Hawes is a big, a huge been a been a
big influence on me. I've talked to him several times
and I like to model my stuff off of the spiritual responses that
I get. And I learned from that.
That's the most. But yes, there are people out
there, you know, I've talked to a priest, I've talked to mediums
I've talked to, you know, a lot of I've learned a lot from going
out and and not interviewing, but just having normal
conversations with a lot of these people, a lot of people
that you probably know, but to say.
Dude I don't know shit by the. Way.
Tell me like I don't know anybody.
Well, and I'm I'm trying really hard.
I'm trying really hard not to name drop because it's tough for
me, you know, but bro, it's fine.
Well, well. We don't want to badmouth
anybody, but let's name drop I will.
Say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's something who means
something to you that you like, value.
What you do that is. OK, well, OK, I I had the lock
and opportunity to meet and hang out for all many times with the
guys from Ghost Hunters. You got Jason Hawes, you know,
Dave Tango and it's Steve. I can't pronounce his last name,
but you know, they're they're great guys and they're really
down to earth and they don't bullshit anybody.
They don't they don't try to make it out to be something it's
not. And that's something that I
admire, whether you have been doing it for 30 years or if you
just started a month ago, if you are willing to say, hey, you
know what, there's a slight possibility that that was not
paranormal. So I'm not going to push it that
it was paranormal. That means to me, when I see
somebody do that, they they jump up and respect for me.
Gotcha. That's what I used to love about
those old the old ghost Hunter, man.
The old ghost Hunter shows, dude.
Some of those, some of those episodes were just so there was
nothing going on. There was no production into it.
There was raw, you know, and it was shown to the audience as
raw. It was great.
Yeah. And that's another thing when
you watch a live, if you see somebody who generally has a lot
of stuff happened or they have a lot of videos that have a lot of
things, activity, I should say, and then you go watch them live
and there's nothing happening to me.
That's validation because they're not faking it like most
people do. I mean, you can scroll TikTok
anytime, day or night and see a paranormal group that's faking
stuff. It's, it's so obvious to
somebody like me, so obvious, but it, and it just means a lot
when people actually take it seriously.
I mean, I'm, I'm all for joking around and doing that, you know,
because spirits like that too. They like to goof around too.
You got to have a little bit of that, but you also don't want to
just make a mockery of the whole thing.
You know, so Brandon, when you when you get someone calls you
and they say, hey, I got a ghost in my house, I need you to come
in and do an investigation, right?
But I don't know if you do this actively still anymore.
I wrote down, I'm taking a guess what are the what's the first
thing you do when you go to that house?
Like what's the first thing you check?
Someone calls up Brandon. I got a ghost in my house.
And then be like, all right, I wrote down three things that I
bet and I want to see if they match.
Up there's there's a whole process that happens before we
get to that. But if you're talking about when
I first walk in the door, I first thing I walk in is get
their story. I get their story.
I find out where these happened in the home and, and then, OK,
you know, I might take some notes or one of my, one of my
people that are with me are going to take notes.
And then what I'll do is I'll take a baseline reading through
the whole house. We'll, we'll go through with,
I'm not going to go through the list of paranormal equipment
that we use, but it, we go through and we basically take
readings of all the, the, the electromagnetic fields in the
house and just everything in the whole area.
And then that way we have somewhere to go off of.
After I listen to their story, I do the, the tour.
Then then we start setting up, you know, the cameras and things
like that. And then going to setting up
recorders. There's a, there's a lot of
process. There's a lot of stuff that we
do is it takes a while. It's, it's way more complicated
than just going to a haunted location and throwing a R.E.M.
Pod on the ground and hollering who's here with me?
I was. Totally wrong, by the way.
It was totally wrong. Here's what I thought for sure,
Brandon does. He checks.
He tells him to check their plumbing, electrical and pests
before he wastes. Before he wastes.
That that happens before I even get there.
That that's before I even get there.
I ask if there's pets, if there's children here, here,
here is here's a nightmare scenario.
You, you get, you get there and you're in a third floor
apartment and they have people above them and below them and,
and on the side. So there's so much, so much
garbaging up your evidence that you're like, it is really tough
to come up with any solid evidence from there.
But I've done it. I've done it to the point where
there was a lady and, and her daughter that could not, would
not stay in their house because they, they were getting scared
in their bathroom. And after a couple nights, it
actually took a few nights, we came to conclusion that it was
some Carol. And I asked her who Carol was,
and here it was her mom. Wow.
Didn't didn't know any of that information until after we were
done. And it it there's a lot more to
it. But but yeah, so the there's
always a scared in the damn bathroom, you know, I know.
Well, I mean, if you're a ghost, are you are you going to watch
people shower? I mean, you know.
I guess that's true. That's true.
They're probably a little bit creepy.
So Grant, you said you have, you have people.
So do you like working with the team?
Do you find value in that or do you like go on with yourself?
Absolutely. If they're, if I'm doing a
private investigation and I have two different answers, if I, if
I'm doing a private investigation for someone who
needs help in their home, I'm, I absolutely bring a team.
If I'm doing something and I'll get, I'll explain that a little
bit too. But when I'm doing like a
haunted location, I'm going to an insane asylum or something
like that. I prefer to be either by myself
or with one other person. And the reason that is, is
because I learned that when we went to the Ferrari, I held an
event at Ferrar back in 2021 and it we had like 11:50 TikTok
people there. And I learned from that and
going to ISS or whatever the heck it's called in Indiana,
that you have too many cooks in the kitchen and everybody wants
to be the host. So you're kind of fighting over
camera time instead of doing an investigation.
That's funny, You know what I mean?
Like everybody wants to be, we want.
Stars, we want those likes. What are those likes?
Everybody wants to be the star and, and I get it, I understand,
but it it really interferes with the investigation itself.
So. Brandon Speaking of the for a
fairer, how I'm going to pronounce it the.
Fairer school for our For our. School.
Yeah, I've heard you talk about this before.
Have you ever tried to figure out what that black that smoke
monster was or like done deeper investigations?
Like what is that entity or what do you think?
Well, it is we we originally thought that it was the
principle. Those of you who don't know the
story real quick, of course it's a principle.
Of course it's a principle. Brand Is this the floating head
story? No.
That's a different one. That's I want to ask you about
that. Later.
Yeah, that's, that's a great. One I remember you telling me
that. That that floating head one is
that's, that's like my title story, right?
There. Yeah, yeah, you got, you got to
talk about. Tell this one first.
Yeah, but we're all we're. All talking over each other,
Brandon, Go on, go on, tell us about.
This, I'm going to make it real short.
We we went to Ferrar years ago and I was with like the first
team I was ever on was like one of the bigger teams.
Anyway, we went there and this was way before I went solo.
We went there and we did investigation.
Half the team went to sleep and half of us were up there doing a
spirit box session. And I think this was right
after, I think it was 2015 ish in that ballpark when the SB11
first came out, like the first when it first came out the
spirit box, the SB11. Anyway, so we were doing a sesh
up there and one lady, one girl, she was, she was doing it and,
and, and she was holding it and she started to get kind of, you
know, feel kind of icky and scared and whatever.
And we, we just kind of blew it off as well.
You know, you're, you're a girl, you know, blah, blah, blah,
you're fine. You know, it was 2015.
You could talk. Like that it was different, then
it was different. Than a different doctor.
It was. It was 10 years ago.
This is different times. You were far more sexist as
ghost hunters then. Yeah, you can't talk like that
today. But anyway.
But then through the spirit boxes, we started getting
warnings and it and it started to get increasingly scary to the
point where they were saying they were telling us to hide,
run and hide. And he's coming, he's coming and
it and it said a couple names. It's been a long time.
I don't remember exactly what the names are.
Then all of a sudden the back door flew open.
Now keep in mind there's eight people in there, 6 to 8 people
in there. And the back door flew open to
the auditorium. Everybody else is, is, is is
sleeping, flew open and this black mask came in that you
could see in the dark. That's how dark this thing was.
It was dark and it kept getting bigger and bigger and coming
closer. And as it got closer, kept
getting bigger and bigger and we heard these roaring noises like
this, super scary. Like you think it was a movie
The way I'm explaining it, but it's super scary.
Scared the hell out of all of us.
Everybody took off running at this point.
The girl that was doing the session was fell down in the
fetal position and was totally ugly crying, just bawling her
eyes out. Couldn't take it, scared to
death, saw the thing, couldn't not handle it.
Everybody took off. This thing is getting closer.
By this time it's about 10 feet away from us already.
I picked her up, rolled my shoulder, ran out the stairs or
out the hall. Down the stairs is on the 3rd
floor. Went down to flights of stairs,
went outside. We all hung out out there.
Some people left refusing to come back and we waited out
there for a good hour. I was shake shaken up and then
back and then we ended up going back in 21 October of 21.
It was the 8th through the 11th I think.
And there was Jen from extreme screams.
She saw the the dark entity that I saw and she told me about it
and like an idiot Ray from Nebraska Paranormal who who
might be on the show eventually he was recording me running out
after it like a lunatic trying to get at this thing that well,
I had like four or five years to build up courage to, you know,
go after this thing and completely lost my mind and ran
out towards it. Like I, I don't know what I was
going to do when I got to it, but you know that.
Yeah. So that's that's what happened
there. I have.
We did not. I didn't even get to see it when
we went back as far as what we. Think it was Oh yeah, sorry I.
I think it it was, I don't think it was the principle like
everybody thinks it is. I think it's something darker
that holds spirits there. I think it's something that's
guarding and preventing some of the spirits there from leaving.
Do you, do you think, did you ever look at the history of this
school Like we did horrible things happen there.
Did my kids die in a fire or some shit?
Like you know what? And, and I try not to, I try not
to do that until after I get some solid evidence so that I
could compare to it. I'm not one of those who does a
lot of research before I get there as far as details, because
I like to pick them up on my own because I don't want to pre
program that in my head. So when I'm listening to a
spirit box, you know, I know let's say Peter was the
principal and because then, you know you're going to hear Peter,
you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Yeah, sure. That's the same thing.
It's like, who's to say that Peter that's coming through is
the same Peter? That's the principal.
Exactly, exactly. You know, So no, to answer your
question, no, I did not. And I kind of didn't want to
because that's one of the places that I hold dear to my heart.
And unfortunately I don't think I'll ever get to go back because
now it's owned by Sam and Colby and they changed everything.
So, so you know that the you used to go be able to go in
there for 300 bucks and now it's over 15.
So yeah, it's a completely different.
Let me ask you something. It's over.
It's over 15. Is there are are there people
there? Are you allowed to go, you know,
by yourself? Like, is it one of those things
where there's always going to be living people in the building
and not anymore? The people that used to own it,
the woman's name was Nancy. Her and her husband and her dog
used to live there and they were there day in and day out because
we would have to stop our investigations for half an hour
or whatever so she could let the dog out before they went to bed.
So they were always there then. Then they had it up for sale for
a long time. I actually tried to buy it, but
you know, price tag was a little bit too high for me, you know,
and I did talk to Nancy and try to work negotiations, but she
had another offer that was better.
And anyway, Long story short, it ended up going to some bank,
bought it and then Sam and Colby bought it.
So, right, so they own it now. So I mean, hey, if you want to
meet Sam and Colby, they might be there if you want to go.
There what So OK, that's a, that's a, a fascinating story of
something you've done and you like, and it sounds like you
were doing that early on as you were working with early teams.
Now with your, with the experience you've had, if you
went to your dream location of an Alcatraz, how would you start
that up? How would you start?
Like who would you bring with you?
What would be your? What would be the move?
I've got. What are you looking for?
What are you hoping to see? What are you hoping to get and
how would you do it man to make it like?
In a dream. My dream stuff.
A dream scenario would be to have Jason Hawes, Steve, all the
guys from ghost hunters come with me even and you know we're
talking dream, right? It's my dream.
We're we're. Going to go with it's your dream
dude. This is your bucking this thing.
I'm not, I should be looking at the chat right now.
I don't know who's talking shit or not.
But anyways, they're getting away with it because I can't see
nothing. Don't worry about it.
That's so good. Anyway, yeah, it would be the
ghost hunters, myself and a few choice others that I that are
unfamous and I hope they stay unfamous because they're so good
and I don't know how they're not famous yet, but bless their
heart, they're awesome. We would all go there and it
would everything would be recorded.
The whole thing would be like a big documentary that would be
like that's that would be my dream to make it Alcatraz
documentary because I do know some of the stories from there.
And and who didn't play Call of Duty Alcatraz?
I mean, come on, I already know the layout.
You kidding me? I played that for 50 hours a
week. You kidding me?
That was great, right? So right, right.
So I already know the layout of the place, but.
And who's on the team is like with these people on the team,
are they have the same skill set as you or do you bring people
with specialties? Is it like the A-Team, right?
You got your demolition? Absolutely.
You got your like, what is that? What does that look like?
Yeah, this goes back to the question where you said, you
know, do you want to go as a team?
When I'm, when I'm building a team, I'm very particular.
I'm probably one of the pickiest guys ever.
My I, I test any kind, anybody that says they're a medium goes,
they go through the gamut of, of tests to, to see how good they
are and they have to be a certain quality to be on the
team. I've had some amazing, I was
blessed to have some amazing mediums on through the years and
they're awesome. It is very hard to compete.
You, you, you really need to have a medium on there because
they can validate what you get through your equipment.
So if you get something through your equipment, they can
validate and say, yes, that's person is right over there.
They're looking at you. They're they're saying this and
this and this. And then immediately after that
you get the same message through the spirit box.
You can't top that. That is the best.
That is, that is rock solid if you ask me.
Right. OK.
So you got a medium? Yep, you got a medium.
Like a tech, like a tech person. Yep, that's really good at that,
right? Yep.
You got to have a tech person, somebody that knows how to hook
everything up, how to do that, how to watch.
You got to have somebody that's watching the cameras, who knows
what to look for. You got to have somebody that
doesn't, you know they're not on the walkie-talkie telling you
every time a piece of dust flies by, telling you there's an orb
by you. You don't want that, you know,
you want somebody that knows what to look for and knows how
to end. This is all stuff that I used to
go through when I did the training, you know, just stuff
to to not be alarmed at and, and, and whatever.
But so you need a tech guy, you need a medium, you need somebody
and, and you can be one of those people.
You know what I mean? You don't have to like hire out
or do anything. If you want to do it, you can do
that. But the problem is, is you can't
watch the cameras and do the investigation at the same time.
So you got to have somebody do that.
Let's see, what else do you need.
That's basically it. But like when you're doing a
private investigation, you want to you want to do it in two
different ways where the people that live there are gone and
then you want to do a more when they're there because it's a
completely different investigation especially.
If why? Why would it become?
Why does it make it different when they're there?
What makes it different with them being there versus when
they're not? If it's the spirits.
If the if the person is not there, you are investigating the
location. OK, If the people are there,
you're investigating them and their attachment to the Spirit.
I see. OK.
Because if they have something that's attached to them, if they
leave the house, the entity will leave the house, you see.
Where they're. Going kind of the difference
between a house and a home. You know the home, you know the
home. What's the home?
The people in it. Yep, Yep.
So, OK, so that's that's how I look at it.
And. I do want to say, I don't want
to say, you know, because some people call themselves a pro or
whatever, an expert. I don't, I don't consider myself
an expert. I don't believe there is such a
thing in this field. I want to make that.
Say it all the time. I agree with him 100%.
I don't I don't think there is there is any way that you can be
a professional until you make that you know, journey fill you
and go through it, but that's that's I just wanted to make
that clear. I don't want people thinking,
oh, this guy thinks he knows everything.
It's. Cool, but look, it's like it's,
you know, I look at I've been, I've been diving into this thing
for a few months and I've been talking to, you know, people who
studied from UVA to the psychical research to the
Forever Family Foundation to, you know, Arthur Finley school,
like all these people who study, right?
And really when it comes to, and all of them who, you know, they
all are open minded because they all are like, what are we
talking about? We don't know what it is.
Here's what we think it is based on our years of experience.
And that's how you sort of can tell the difference between
somebody who is and who isn't, in my opinion, right.
So like that just as what I'm learning and what they're
saying. So they can only rely on the
evidence they've gathered from the, some of these people doing
this shit for like 40 years and they have thousands of case
files. And it's like, well, this is
what I have discovered and seen and here's how I break down
things. And I, I enjoy that.
And you got to respect it. And that's what they see.
I wasn't there. So I don't know what they, what
it is, right. So, you know, Brandon, you talk
a lot about the, the, the tech of it all.
And I feel like, is that important to you, the tech and
how is it advanced in your years of doing this?
Well, when I first started there, there wasn't much to it
other than your voice recorder, EMF detector, you know, and
your, your, your basic little, you know, before the official
R.E.M. pod came out. I mean, I don't know if John
knows about these, but they used to have just little boxes with a
little antenna that would real flimsy and they would break
every time you drop them. So you're constantly buying new
ones. Dude, we would, we would, we
would modify Thurman's, you know, the, the, the musical
instrument, you know, back in the day.
And those things were so flimsy sometimes they'd break when we
were bringing them to a location.
Sure. You know, it's it's yeah, yeah.
So, so the advancement in technology is phenomenal and,
and the toys that they have now, and I call them toys, don't take
that as disrespect, but they're. We're big kids and they're the
toys. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say
something about all I'm gonna say something about all tech
that will be disrespectful to many.
But go ahead. I'll tell you what I'm.
But you know, when, when it comes to, there's a big
discussion as far as the app situation and this and that.
And I'm not against apps. I, I kind of, I like them as
long as, as, as you're not believing every word that comes
out of it, you know, I'm, I'm totally OK with it.
We all have our own journey. We all have our own process of
learning. So if, if, if, if the apps is
your thing and you're digging it, I can go for it.
You know what I mean? I.
You know, look, here's how I look at it.
This is, and again, take it from this noob, right, who doesn't
know anything, but it's like I look at things like I was
telling this to John. I was like, look, if, how do I,
how do I start this? I'll try to make it not too
long, but it's if a Carpenter messes up your renovation,
you're not going to blame his hammer, right?
You're going to blame him. And I so that's the first thing,
right. So I look at all of the the the
gadgets in the tech from which sticks, you know, which are
metal hanger rod, those dousing rods to that.
What's that that ovulous thing that you have?
It's like 600 bucks, John, that thing.
That's like I look. At it all as tools of because
here's the thing fellas, I'm going to tell you this straight
up. If we actually created a device
or an app that can talk to the dead, the world as we know it
would be changed forever. It would be bigger than Apple
and Nike. It's not, but I do believe in
people and I believe that. I believe in intuition.
We all have it right. We all have a vibe, right?
You walk in if a guy walks into a bar, John, I've heard you say
this too. Guy walks into a bar gives you a
bad vibe, right? Or you meet somebody you like,
you got a good connection, There's something there, right?
And much like, you know, everyone could throw a baseball,
but there's only a handful of us that are a handful of not us.
I'm not one of them that could throw it at 98 miles an hour,
right? I think intuition is that same
thing where there are a handful of people who it's heightened
and and maybe that is what mediumship is, right?
And they're connecting to something on a different level.
So with that, it's like, look, I turn on these apps, I get Dick,
I get the same old thing that everybody gets of leave, get
out. You know, why am I here?
It's all that stuff. But I've watched John do it and
it's. Been John chills.
When I think about it, it's specific so, and he doesn't like
it when I say it, Brandon, but it's like, you know, I'm like,
dude, dude, you're like some kind of medium.
And he makes that he makes. The dad joke.
He makes the dad joke. Because if I can, if I can touch
on that just for a second, the what people I, I like to include
myself in that category as, as, as someone.
You should, because I've seen some stuff of yours and it's
crazy what you've got. What I like to call it is like
we're a paranormal beacon. I've been saying that for about,
I don't know, seven years now, but it's, it's the ghosts or
spirits, if you will see us as like a, a lost ship looking for
land. And they see the beacon, the
light beacon and they come towards it, you know, because
they know that that beacon is someone who is willing to listen
to them, willing to hear them out, willing to give them any
help that they can. And here's 1 tip that I really
like to stress to people that don't know me and that just go
out and do this is when you're doing a paranormal
investigation, you're not just helping the family.
You can help the family by helping the spirit get what it
wants, what it needs, where it needs to go.
Because if you can do that, if you can help the spirit, the
spirit's not going to be there to harm the family, to scare the
family. They're going to be gone.
And if the family doesn't? Have to work on that.
That's initially perspective, John.
How does that fit into? You have a slightly different
perspective on this. How would you compare your?
Well, well, First off, my, my perspective is only different
because I don't even view myself as an, as an investigator or a
hunter. I view myself as a documenter.
So I actually, and you know, and people have judged me on this
plenty of times. I've been in situations where
I've refused to help the spirit, where I'm just like, all right,
you know, I'm just here to listen, you know, hear what's
going, you know, what's going on with the spirit, what it was
doing, especially if it's in a place where no one's getting
hurt or no one's getting bothered.
There was, I don't know, last summer, I believe it was where
that circumstance changed for me, where I went from
documentation to actually having to get proactively involved.
And that's where a place I go, we call the Pre war burial
ground. We came across an entity that
the spirits called the Smoke. And interesting enough, in the
woods, there's a little clearing and people walk their dogs.
It's like a nice little dog walking area around the burial
ground. And there's like a little
campfire set up. People that hang out back there.
We're getting harassed by something they nicknamed the
Creature. And this thing, you know, these
aren't paranormal people. These aren't people who even
think about this stuff. These are normal everyday
people, you know, that, you know, have no interest in the
paranormal whatsoever. And they're actually being
harassed by an entity back there.
So I actually had to get proactively involved because
they came to me right on the stream and they're like, hey,
man, you're the guy that that talks to the spirits.
This is what's going on to us here.
And I'm like, well, it's funny because we're dealing with this
entity that the spirits are calling the smoke.
So I actually had to get involved and, and actually dig
into it and, you know, try to help it.
So it was, it was interesting. But I do listen, if you're going
for investigations and hunting and a family contacts you, you
know, you want to help them, you definitely do.
That is something you want to do 100%, you know so.
I'm I'm not saying if they have something evil, you're trying to
give it what it wants. That's not what I'm saying at.
All you know. If it's something evil, you're
you're looking to to cut the ties with the family at the bare
minimum and and at best case scenario is to to shun it from
the house. Best case scenario, if you can,
a lot of times, a lot of times you can't do it and you have to
see how it's like hell. True.
Brandon, have you ever, you know, I heard you tell a story
about like the first experience you had.
And you know, as you're saying, you like to think you're you're
one of those people, I believe that you probably are, you know,
one of those people who is a little more intuitive than most.
And when it comes to the story of Philip for you, you know as
that when you were a kid and now would you have you ever gone
back and to try to figure out. I haven't gone back haven't gone
back to the house. I have found out through some
further research that Phillip was an I'm trying to get the
story right now. Phillip was a guy that was
associated with the house apparently, and he, I can't
remember if he owned the house before them, but I didn't find
this out until like last year. Like I just found this out.
I had, I thought Phillip was just a name that, you know, my
step grandfather made-up to scare the kids into being good.
You know what I mean? You know, don't don't do that or
Phillip's going to get you. You know he would say that all
the time. How the hell did he know
Phillip? That's the question.
You. Know and that's a good question.
I think he made it up. I really think I this up until
last year I thought he made it up and it was just a scary story
was a boogeyman story to keep the kids in line.
But when I was a kid there was something there and I kept
calling him Phillip so interesting.
So he may have adopted that persona.
He's like fine, I'll be Phillip. Talk to me.
You know I'll be, you know, I'll call me whatever you want, as
long as you're willing to, you know, if you can hear me real.
Quick, real quick, I want to interject to, to to what he's
saying. And I love the fact that you
that you use those words, you know, adopt A persona because
spirits do that all the time. But in that, in that scenario,
you know, another person would turn around and be like, oh,
maybe it was something that got created.
Well, I think we touched on this on one of the what our past
guests where, you know, an entity gets created, you know.
Have you have you heard of this? For whatever reasons, Have you
heard of what was it called? An Aggregor.
So.
You know, let's so, so Brandon, where, where John and I are from
Westchester, NY, There's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a
wildly haunted place. But Washington Irving made one
of the counties very famous at Sleepy Hollow, right.
So that you have the probably the only true American monster
is the Headless Horseman. That's right from where we grew
up now a, a, a consciousness of the the one of the things about
the Headless Horseman is did Washington Irving get his
inspiration from a supposedly true story of a Hessian German
soldier getting his head blown off locally in White Plains,
which is where John frequents a lot, Or is it an agrigor, which
is the collective consciousness because the story spread has
built this manifestation of this spirit, right, which is like.
Like, yeah, like the Mothman. So it's really interesting, all
these different perspectives, but I like how Brandon literally
went to exactly what I would think also is, you know what,
there was something already there.
And it's like, oh, Phillip, I can be Phillip.
You know, an easier way to you know right now, get in there
you. Said you.
You said you. Heard when you were a child,
correct? Yes, that was 7.
Years old. Wow, seven years old.
And we all know that children and old people are the worst
when it comes to being scary. And the movies have taught us
nothing. Children and the elderly are
straight up the worst. But it's so.
But you looked up you, you said you looked into this and you
think there was a fill up associated with this property?
Yeah, yeah. And I come to find out that
there was actually and again, I just found this out last year
that and I'm well into my late 40s, OK, but.
I'm older, buddy. So, so this is quite some time
ago when I was 7, but anyway, I found out that there's actually
a supposedly a rocking chair that was owned by Phillip that
is still in the OR still in the house or in some sort of
property that was associated with.
Well my I guess you'd call them step grandparents that used to
live there so somewhere. There, the chairs are by far the
scariest chair. Is there a scarier chair than
the rocking chair? It moves by itself.
I mean, come on, everybody knows it.
And of course, they kept. So rumor has it that that is
Phillip's chair. I don't, I've, I've been trying
to get it now since I heard about it.
But let's just say it's it's it's it's in possession by the
person that possesses it is not willing to let it go.
So I have to wait. The wait, so it looks like you
said you like collecting this stuff.
I'm looking behind you. So that chair you have?
It just about to get into that I want to.
Switch this up real quick. Yeah, I want.
To switch this whole thing up real quick.
All right, listen. What's?
Going on. So tell me about your Brandon
items and crystals and all that stuff.
What's going on? There.
Tell us about the auctions, man. Oh well, tell.
Us about the auctions because this dude's got some.
Cool stuff that he auctions off a couple.
Yes, and and. Real quick, Brandon, let me just
tell the people, right, If you want to find Brandon, he's got
his candle up there at real Ghost Hunter one, but he's going
to start selling his stuff. You know, he's got crystals for
sale and other stuff at Real Ghost Hunter One Point O on
TikTok. That's where his shop is.
That's Real Ghost Hunter. One Point O is where he's going
to move everything to OK, but yes, Bray, tell us about this
stuff that you're selling. I've even seen your Culver's Ray
opening boxes of cool ass skulls and shit.
I think it is cool but. Is there a?
Belief system behind what you're doing.
That's it. Absolutely, there is, absolutely
there is now all right. If we're if we're talking about
the sales part of what I do that started off with strictly
oddities, oddities quarter. I used to I used to to sell
things that I would get off of haunted eBay just to see, you
know, I would buy mystery boxes and open it up and see and see,
you know, what is there anything to it?
Is there? You know, I would test it out
and and there's been a few shocking things that I've gotten
so so it's not all, you know, hokey crap.
I mean, there is some stuff that is out there.
So it, it used to be just straight oddities.
And I did that for a long time and was like once every two
weeks, I would, you know, sell off a couple things here and
there. And then people started.
Then it kind of took a turn when people would see that I had a
crystal collection and they'd want to see it while that turned
into, Hey, can I buy that from you?
And I'm like, you know, whatever.
And then they keep harping on me, harping on me.
And eventually I'd sell a couple pieces.
Well, then word got out that I was doing that too.
So Fast forward to now. Now, every Friday night, I'm
selling tons of crystals. I got tons of them, I mean.
What is what's the deal with crystals?
Well. What's the thing?
And it started off with with the whole spiritual thing.
I'm, I was as deep into protection and cleansing and,
and all of that. And that goes hand in hand with
paranormal investigation. You should, you should have
protection. You should have ways to cleanse
yourself and, and to get rid of some of that so your paranormal
hangover isn't as bad afterwards.
And if you don't know what that is, I can go into that too.
But it's basically your, your body recovering from all the
stress from from the investigation and, and, and any
influences that may or may not have happened during.
So your body is trying to make up for that.
Well, Crystal is like a ghost condom.
Well. I'm.
Not. I'm not sure I'm doing the same
thing with ghosts that you are. But not yet.
It's not cheating if it's with the ghosts.
Brandon No. But no, OK, so there's a belief
system right, in spirituality with crystals that it is a
protective thing. That's what like, is it?
Do different crystals do different things?
Is it the bigger the crystal the better the protect is that?
What? Not necessarily.
Bigger isn't always better when
it comes to crystals. It when it, you know, a smaller
one will do the same thing as a as a larger one.
It all depends on how paranoid you are, you know, and what you
think you need to be brutally honest.
A lot of people buy crystals just because they're pretty, you
know, So I got to have that too. I got to have the pretty stuff
just so they, if they come in, they want the pretty stuff.
For instance, I got stuff that's not so pretty.
Here's something right here. Here's a, here's a garnet
Medusa. You know, it's just, yeah, I'll
just, I mean, I got a little bit of everything.
This is cool. Yeah, right.
It's. Just cool stuff, yeah.
Now, are those dolls haunted behind?
You it depends on which ones you're talking about, but I do
have I do have this is Adam. If you don't know Adam, if
you've watched any of my if you let's see my most viral video.
I think it's my most viral video was where I was going through
this portal box and running the SP11 through it.
And I was asking, I played a song, I played tiptoe through
the tulips for Adam. Was that in the attic?
No, that I did it in the attic, but this was down here, right
here, right where we're sitting right here.
That was where it happened here. And and he said, no, I'm sorry,
that wasn't here. Where was that?
Anyways, it was with that portal box.
Adam was there and he said fuck that, fuck this.
And I don't know if I can say that on on your.
Project. Yeah, he can yeah.
You good? That's.
Fine. Yeah, but he kept saying fuck
this and fuck that and go and it went live, dude.
So it's as a matter of fact, let me just put this out there
because. And it was so good that
apparently Sam and Colby got a hold of it and used it on their
YouTube channel and of course, didn't even tag me in it, but
whatever. You know, I'm still a little
bitter about that, but whatever. I would be.
Yeah, yeah, they get to find out how.
Many video views that hasn't go get your residuals boy.
You know what I'm? Saying, but whatever, you know,
you can't, you can't argue with them.
You know, it is they're just they're they're they're too big
now. So but anyway, so yeah, so so I.
Don't wear their wallets. This is not This was a gift.
This Chucky was a gift from my kids for one of my birthdays.
That's great. So yeah.
You know what's funny, but what's funny is to I I the
scariest story I heard Brandon tell was about his teenage
teenage daughter, how to drive as as you know, I just did the
same thing, John, and it was like, you know, it, it's I
totally visceral. The biggest fear you could?
Ever have the biggest fear? You know, Brandon, we've got a
question in the chat that speaks to these items here.
I'm just going to, I'm going to ask it and we can show it.
But it says, my question for Brandon is when you get an
attached item, how do you know for sure that when they say
their name from the attachment, it's really who you're speaking
to? Like your doll Adam, she
probably watches you, right? But that's that's a.
Great sense. Yes, absolutely.
I know exactly what they're talking about.
Thank you for whoever asked that.
That was a great. Question, Karina.
Karina, thank you. Karina, when you are and it goes
to something that I've been talking about for a long time,
someone gets a haunted doll. How do you prove that it's
actually the doll that's talking?
How do you prove that it's not just some random entity that
happened to scroll and follow you through the door that day?
You don't know. You don't know if it's actual
doll. That's just because you have the
camera on that doll doesn't mean that that's the one that's
talking. You know what I mean?
Because I believe that we all have attachments.
I believe that at all times we have any number of attachments
because I feel that the spirits that are around us do miss what
they had when they were alive and they want to re, they want
to feel that again, they want to experience that again.
So. You're saying my warning all the
time. Brandon all the time, dude.
If you're doing something, you're cooking out on the grill.
They love that. They love that they're going to,
they're going to be there watching you, hanging out with
you. That doesn't mean that they're
going to haunt you. That doesn't mean they're going
to pull your hair when you're sleeping.
That doesn't mean they're going to choke you.
It just means they're watching you.
Let it go. Who cares?
They're going to leave when they get bored.
They come and go. We all have attachments from
time to time, whether we want to admit it or not.
So back to the, to the, to the, to Adam being haunted.
I, I, I firmly believe I am like 100% that, that there is
something attached to the doll. I'm not saying there's something
in the doll. And I think there's a big
difference there. Big difference.
I don't believe that there is anything that's trapped, quote
UN quote, trapped in the Gulf. I think it's something that
liked it at one point, probably from Germany because that's
where he came from and the something that that just
travelled with him with. It well, you've done you've also
done multiple sessions, right? It's not like one or two
sessions. You've done hundreds sessions
with hundreds and the word Adam keeps coming through the same.
Voice keeps coming through, you know, you got the same voice,
the same name, the same asshole attitude, because he's he's, I'm
sorry, dude, but you're kind of a prick and and that's why we
get along. That's why we get along, you
know, because you know, I can be a prick too.
And I'm, I'm the first to admit it when someone is
disrespectful. I, I, I don't sugarcoat anything
to him. So, so, yeah.
So after repeated the same responses over years, I've had
him for what, four to five years now, and it's.
And when it's always the same, that means that there's
something there. There's something there, yeah.
For personality when there's. We've got about, we've got about
5 minutes left. And in that 5 minutes, Brandon,
you have to tell us the story. And Brandon, can I show the
picture? Can I show the picture of your
floating head? Are you OK?
Oh, you have it. Oh, you have?
It. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, you, you. Can wait, but don't do it until
I kill till I cue you and then I'll I'll show it show it after
I I tell the story and I'll. Try to tell the story, this
great story, everybody, it's. It's a 15 minute story, but I'll
make it short. No, no, yeah, let's, let's hear
it. All right, so I'm doing a tour.
I used to do tours for the public.
And what that means? It's not just a haunted tour.
This is a gravesite. This is this.
No, you would come in and investigate with me.
And this was, I was part of a team, but I was the one who ran
it all the time. And I'd have maybe anywhere from
8 to 24 people at a time. And this place was called
Bootleggers Bar in Greenville, WI.
If you know, you know, if you don't now, you do so it and it
was closed at the time. Believe it or not, this place is
open right now, but I'll get to that.
So we were doing it and, and for the public investigation and we
were down in the basement, down down in this basement, they had
a crematorium. This place was a Funeral Home at
one time and they cremated a lot of bodies down there.
And right around the corner from that, there's this intersection,
I call it at the bottom of the stairs where we all sat.
And we would do spirit box sessions and we were doing an
SP7 or SP11 spirit box session. Use the SP11 in case anybody
cares, anybody wants to know what I'm talking about when I
say SP11, It's this OK, You can get them on Amazon for like 180
bucks. Anyway, we're doing a session at
the bottom of the stairs. I'm sitting there.
I'm talking shit because it's kind of slow.
I'm, you know, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to entertain
everybody that's there because they paid to be there.
So I'm talking and I'm trying to get a rise out of them, you
know, or whatever. And then all of a sudden, 2
girls across from me stand up frantic, pointing at me, and
they're saying Brad, Brad behind you, behind you, look behind
you. I turned my head.
I didn't even get halfway. And I saw something there.
And I, I kind of did one of these and I turned around.
There was a floating head above me.
Nobody, no, nothing ahead. Now let me explain this to you.
When I saw it, it's slightly different than the picture, but
it's similar. But when I saw it, it looked, it
didn't look like the traditional transparent ghostly figure,
ghostly head. It was like dripping, like it
was kind of gross looking. So I by the time I looked back,
some of the people that were near the stairs had already got
out of their chairs and we're running, they're running up the
stairs. And I grabbed the last couple
people that were there and I escorted them up the stairs
fairly quickly. You know, because I didn't want
to address this, the head with everybody there.
I wanted to get everybody out before I went down and address
that. Not that I knew exactly what I
was going to do anyway. But we went outside, sat there
for a little while until people calm down.
Some people left, of course, understandably, yes.
We now we went back in after about an hour.
We went upstairs instead. So opposite of main floor.
We were in the basement when that happened.
We went upstairs. So two, there was a floor in
between us. We're up there and one girl,
we're doing another, we're doing, I don't know, we're doing
something. And the girl says, oh, I got to
check what time it is because I make everybody turn their phones
off OK during this. So she's like, is it OK if I
check my time? I'm like, yeah.
So she turns her phone on and she looks at it, drops her phone
and screams, I'm like, what the hell is going on?
Everybody's looking like, what the fuck?
And she's like, Oh my God, Oh my God.
And she it was one of the two girls that stood up and warned
me, came over, ran over and showed this image on her phone.
Of this thing thank you and she says yes she says this is what
we saw over your shoulder look so go ahead and post it up.
This is the picture that she showed me give.
Me one second. Let me get this.
I bet you, I bet you, those people got their money's worth.
Hell yeah they did. Hell yeah they did.
All right. So and, and so this is this is
what you're seeing, OK. This is it right now.
Can you see my cursor on here? I know it's small.
If you're like this. Are these eyes here?
Is this the hand right? Here yes, yes dude so.
Fuck this. So what you're seeing is you're
seeing. Look at this.
Standing here like this, with this hand out like this, like ta
da, Yeah. Like.
This you know, he's standing there.
You can see his head, his shoulder, his shoulder right
here and his arm and his hand is kind of like, how do I put it
here so that you can see me? His hand is like.
This I can see it. Dude, you can see the thumb and.
Individual fingers and and what's wild about this, this
whole thing too, and I stress this in my live streams all the
time, the bane of the paranormal is audio pareidolia and visual
pareidolia. They're just two insane things.
And one way you can tell that this is not visual is the
detail, The hand, the shoulder, the everything about it is just,
there's just so much detail to it you can that you know.
The ear, I can't even see the ear, The ear, the nose.
That it's different, right? So this is what that that head
is similar, Very similar picture.
A little bit drippier, but that's what I saw on over my
shoulder. Now tell me her phone was off.
OK, get this. The picture was time stamped
that it was taken at 11 O 4 when her phone was off and we were
downstairs in the basement right before we came up.
Wow, that's wild. That's wild.
I mean, that's cool. I mean, it's just like.
That's. Unexplained is wild.
That's right. I mean, that's like you get
something really great. Thank you for Brandon.
Thank you for letting us share that.
I mean, it's really yeah, it's cool, man.
I mean, that's cool. That's the kind of stuff that
we're all like. That's the kind of thing I I
mean, look, I like to think like that's we're all trying to
figure out what the hell that. Is I have been to that place
several times after. Now is there is it?
Brandon, what do you think that is?
What do you think that? Is well, originally, and now
that I've had years and years to think about it, originally I
thought it was a demon originally first, first thought
in my mind, but I think at the time, and I've grown since then,
you know, it's been 10 years. I believe that it wasn't
something that was intentionally trying to scare us.
It was something that was just happened to be gross looking.
But I don't think that's their fault.
I think something happened to them.
The ugly people in life are not necessarily scary disfigured.
Something disfigured this poor soul.
And it was looking to either possibly get help, possibly get
some attention, possibly just to tell its story, saying, hey,
something happened to me. I want you to know that I'm
still around. Can you imagine, you know, dying
and then not going to heaven or whatever you believe, and you're
stuck on earth and nobody can see you, nobody can talk to you,
nobody can hear you, And then all of a sudden years go by and
there's this one guy who can hear you.
Can you imagine how overwhelming that must be to them?
Exciting and, and that's the other thing too.
What about you know it? What if you know that spirit is
so excited and it manifested from that excitement and it just
ended up looking like that? You know what I mean?
Manifestations are interesting. So, yeah, and that's where and
that's where I think experience comes into play as far as
understanding. So, so and then you've got so,
so you've got what we just talked about and then you've got
people that think they got demons in their house because
they're light flickers. OK, So there's a whole
different. Spectrum of I had I unblocked
it, but for the longest time I had the D word blocked in my
live stream because it's just it's just ridiculous with the
amount of everything is a demon. No, there's There's no such
thing as angry humans let. Alone.
Angry spirits. That's right.
They're just assholes happy that's right.
They were. They were an asshole in life.
They're an asshole in afterlife. Exactly.
I just started this whole process and I I told John the
other day I got my first like Jesus fan trying to convert me
to stay away from demons on my tweet.
I was like John, I did. I've achieved, I've arrived, I
got my first. You know, don't fall into the
thing of demon. Deal with them a lot.
Unfortunately, it's. It's a damn shame you guys are.
Your podcast is so short I think.
I think you should go longer. We got we got a few.
Well, listen, Brandon, look, we got I got a John.
I got a couple minutes actually, if you wanna if you wanna if.
You we could go on for another 5 minutes.
I have another 5 minutes and then I gotta unfortunately go.
I don't have, you know, I got one more thing that I'll close
out with, but I know you had some questions.
Brandon, what did you you said you wanted to talk.
Go go for it, dude. This has been really fun, by the
way. I've had a good.
Time with you here. This is really great.
I think so. I love, I love talking in depth,
you know, you know, I, I, I was really afraid that I was going
to come in and you guys are just going to be like, So what places
have you been to? What you know?
No, no, no. Utter bullshit.
No dude, I'm not listening. I'm not interested in the.
I'm not interested in the Wikipedia.
Version right, Right. Right.
I want to hear your perspective on it.
You know what I mean? Like what I want to.
I'm trying to understand and what this podcast is hopefully
doing by talking to a variety of different people is what our
spirits and what they look at right?
And we do these lives because I want to get more of the the this
crowd, this influencer crowd from a from a different
perspective for the pre recorded ones.
And if we can do it, it feels very fun and to keep it keep it
high and tight. But go ahead.
You you take take take the show here.
What? Do you real, real quick?
I just wanted to say that the reason that that I think that I
got so I, I was fortunate. I got on TikTok pretty close to
right away before all of this. Now there's thousands and
thousands of paranormal people on there.
I got on there were six so many. There were six, you know,
Anyway, but what sets me and what I like to claim as as a
difference between me and everybody else is the one thing
I like to do is when I certainly when I believe in something, I
try to go the extra mile to explain it to people as to why I
think that way. I'm I'm not just pushing what I
say and you just believe me because I said it.
No, I'm going to explain to you why I think that way and maybe
sit shed some light on something like the whole nothing annoys me
more than you see a paranormal investigator telling the spirit
to go to the light. I can't stand that.
Don't even, I mean it don't even get me started.
Because if the if the light was there, they would see it.
They don't. Need your dude.
They don't need you to tell. Them a bright light, they're
going to notice, they're going to notice it, they're going to
check it out. I take it a step further with
them. I take it a step further.
I straight up say, hey, what if that light is some sort of
interdimensional entity that feeds off our human energy?
Like you're going to send, you're going to send little
Sally Joe there, right? You know, like, are you kidding
me? You know.
And that's, and that might be where my religious belief comes
in to believe that that's probably not the case.
But if it was, wow, you know what I mean?
But yeah, so the whole there, I could talk for an hour about my
my ICS of what people do during a.
Parent dude, we can make a whole we could talk for.
They're very similar. We have no negative energy.
Go fuck, yo. Yeah, that's the best.
Yeah, whatever. But you know, I get why they're
doing it. I get it being and I'm I'm
Catholic, but I get it. But you're just.
Yeah, we were both. We were both raised Catholic as
well, John. Yeah, we're both raised
Catholic. We're probably more atheist now,
but you're you're you're. Drawing attention unnecessarily
to yourself instead of the opposite.
And you know what I mean. You're not helping yourself out
when you put that comment in. No 100.
Percent So anyways, that being said now back to because because
John, God damn it, I don't know what happened, but we used to be
tight man. I don't know what happened.
I used to come to your lives all the time.
You must have went through something and unfollowed.
Everybody. Everybody, dude.
And you want to know like what? The hell, what did I do?
You know y'all. Listen, it was nothing that
anybody did. The problem is is that you know
these fake accounts that pop up and they claim to do tarot
readings. They claim to do, you know,
contact your loved ones. Dude, you can if you go on
TikTok right now, search Santa paranormal and click users.
You will see 50 of them. So one of the big things I did
is I unfollowed everybody. So I can just tell my people,
hey, listen, this before I had a million followers too.
I was like, hey guys, I follow no one and I will never message
you. Do not fall for the scams.
They're still doing it to this day, you know, but it's now I'm
following people because it's it didn't stop.
It's been 2 years of it and it's just relentless.
Yeah, yeah, anybody. Did I still like everybody, you
know what I mean? Because.
I I see you poke your head into lives every once in a while.
I'm like, I always wonder every time.
I'm like, John, what the hell did I ever do to piss you?
Off No, you did not know you're good yo you're.
Good dude. Dude, we started this podcast
together. It took him a few months to
finally follow it. I'm like, dude, can you please
follow it? We're this is yours.
He's not the same. It's like it's not.
It's not a. Personal and and and he's.
Still getting people. And Bran, just so you know, I
mean, look, he's still getting people that come in there and
they look for the littlest thing.
We're not on TikTok right now for a reason with this live,
because the things we talk about someone will use against him to
knock him off and get me banned, which just just still happens.
He get he just got banned a couple weeks ago on TikTok for
something of the spirit, the spirit that always like calls
people assholes, called me, called me an asshole.
Like it's in this one spot has this one personality and it said
it and someone said they were bullied.
Not a joke. They complain, knocks it.
Off and and and I know I I still remember like just to prove that
I remember the whole meow thing. OK, hell yeah, we still got the
meow. Thing go, I always thought.
And I'm a dog person. Well, I'm a dog person too.
I got five of them. Yeah, but but I had no idea it
was actually related to cats. If it is, it is I, I, I totally
thought it was just women being frisky in your life.
I totally did not. Right up until like platter me,
Brandon, you platter me. I thought that's what it was
because. All your people would come.
Into my life and they would say, hey, meow Brandon, I'm like, OK,
you're from Santa, you know, whatever and and you know, and
and I'm like, I always thought they were just being frisky with
that's when. I write Brandon.
Brandon thought it was about pussy and it's actually.
That's funny though. I didn't.
Say that good looking of a guy. It's about real.
It's really about cats. It's really about.
Why? So where it came from, Just real
quick, where it came from is every now and then at a ghost
tube, you get the original ghost tube, not box.
You get, you know, it repeats the same shit over and over and
over. And one phrase that's always
said is make a noise, you know, So I would say welcome to
Chili's. You know, every time it said it,
you know, and it started off as a joke just so people would kind
of ignore the same shit that's coming out all the time.
Because again, going back to these spirit boxes, the digital
spirit boxes, the app, they have to be taken with a grain of
salt. I say it all the damn time.
Can't take every little sound, syllable and word for something
because dude, it's, it's insane. A spirit will say, you know, I
don't know what, what's something I'm trapped here.
And then all of a sudden, you know, people are coming up with
scenarios of why the spirit's trapped.
And it's like, you know, for all we know, a spirit you know, got,
it's got its foot caught on a root, you know, like, you know
what I'm saying? Like it'll be anything so.
But that's where that comes from the whole MIAFO.
So that's funny, man, That's great.
How I would think that though, right?
Of course, logical thinking. You know of?
Course it's cool that way. You know, that's funny.
Trying to give you credit, man. You should have just sucked that
up and been smart. He should have.
He should. Have and dude, and you know,
Brandon, another thing I want to touch on what you said real
quick, dude, isn't it insane how many people are now just out
there, you know, on not just TikTok, YouTube, everything.
It's insane. It's like, you know, I remember
think about it when when I came on to the scene, you know, doing
this for social media wise. I I can remember you OK?
I can remember Howie. RIP the very controversial
perinosis, right? They actually go up quite a bit
later, but yeah, they were they were earlier than all the big
mass that came in. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely, definitely.
And now all of a sudden it's just like everybody is just.
That's like my big regret with cemeteries, dude.
Like, and I feel partially responsible.
When I started doing those cemetery walks, I felt like like
like Gizmo, like someone threw water on me and I fucking
multiplied, you know, like insane dude.
And I mean, some of them were good, but others it's just like.
Dude, did you see total totally off point, but we had Chris, you
know, did you see Kristen Etzel's video from a couple days
ago? Yeah, I like Dude I.
Know Chris, but I didn't see it. He puts this video we had Chris
on. It's a dude.
It, it really looks like something's walking.
It's not like a smoke or a thing.
It looks walking. Oh no, that came.
That went right by him. I think I saw that on his
TikTok. I think I saw that on his tik.
T.O.K yeah, If it were me, I would have been like shooting
and running. Because I know.
He's because it was a really good.
But I don't. Know he's a lot.
Of I'm assuming Chris has been doing it for a while.
I I actually, I don't know him really well, but I know him and
I like him. It's cool dude, but.
It goes to show like how numb we become to, to activity after a
while. You know, when something big
happens, sometimes it's not big to us anymore.
Now we you keep looking for bigger and more and better and
try to get so when a R.E.M. Pod goes off or or or or, you
know, heaven forbid. Oh God damn cat ball.
God, cat balls that that excites a lot of people, not me.
It does nothing for me, you know, but dude, you breathe on
those cat balls the right way and they're going off, you know
and that and they're so dude, I stopped using cat balls after I
bought like a bulk of 100 and none of them worked.
They all came defective and I'm like, this is not I'm done with
these, you know, like it's. Cat.
Balls are one of those things that are.
What's the best word for it? Pseudo evidence, if you will.
I mean, is that the best way to say it?
It's like, yeah, here's the. Thing look the thing I value the
most is someone who's new to all this honestly is and John I've
said this to you 100 times is personality when we're when he's
getting words and phrases that that are not there's not only a
clear call and response of several times with specific
information things that are not generic right but there's a
personality to it yeah there's a tone of there's the words used
are that I find really wild like that's what I watch for for what
he does but look now I do have to call it a day Brandon this
was a lot of fun I hope you had fun I did you know yo.
Thank you. Yo, Brandon, thank you for doing
this, man. I appreciate.
It so many more we're just getting started here we have
there's so many other things I need this I have a lot of
questions I need to get to so which is only good because we
want to keep the people wanting more and we want to have you
back so that's the reason for it there you go so I I really thank
you I really thank you for your time taking the.
Time to do it, hopefully maybe some of your people will follow
me over on Tic Tac and you'll get to see more.
Yeah, guys, follow Brandon. He has an auction every Friday.
Every Friday. And he's going to start that on
real Ghost Hunter One Point O and Brandon is a Co host of a
podcast of his own with another paranormal investigator, Ray
Wright of Nebraska paranormal. It's called paranormal
watchtower. That's paranormal watchtower on
YouTube. It's a great title, by the way,
and it's you know, they over they oversee a lot of various
people and evidence and they talk about it, you know, from.
We talked about every sort of. Experience, you know,
traditional stuff, but that's another he's a great guy.
We really we're really glad a really great paranormal
influencer with with a lot of experience and a lot of fun and
a lot of things to talk about. Brandon, thank you so much.
We really appreciate being. Here.
Thanks guys. Thank you for doing this.
Awesome dude. Thank you.
Bye.
Thanks, Brandon. See you all.
Right, see you. All right, wrap it up.
Now I got to go too. Yep, I got AI got a call.
Guys, this is a good one. He's fun.
It was fun, right? A lot of fun dude.
He's got that. That head photo was creepy as
hell too. Dude, it's such a good story
too. I remember, I remember him
telling me that, that years ago. He must have told me that like
2-2, three years ago, that story.
And I was just like, oh, that's, you know, it's unique.
It's awesome. It's yeah, it stuck with me like
a floating head. Wait, you know.
Yeah, it's, it's nuts. Everybody, thank you so much
for. Thank you guys.
For being here, we appreciate it.
This has. Been.
Thank you. Thank you.
Why my music's not playing? Come on, There we go.
There's a little theme. There's a little.
Theme, theme. There's a little podcast theme
with what was there, now it's gone out there, now it's back.
Things are a little slow, everything's on a little bit of
a delay, but it's fine. Ladies and gentlemen, mostly
ladies, thank you so much for being.
Thank you very. Much it's all your questions.
Well, we were we were in it, man.
We were in it with Brandon. We couldn't get to.
All the options, a lot going on. No, looking at the chat now, a
lot of people reminding us how married they are is if they
don't fantasize about us regularly.
You liars right? You know you love us.
Or do you fantasize the wedding parents?
They might fantasize about ferrets.
That's probably true. You know.
And Brandon just jumped into the chat and there he is on YouTube.
Brandon Kramer, everyone, the real ghost hunter one really fun
time, everybody. Thank you so much, John.
I'll talk to you later. I'll talk, Gary, talk to you
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