1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,000 boy? What's going on? 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Just getting started here, getting warmed up. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,520 And so I was just, I was just thinking about something. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,960 I am, I was wondering, you know, you know, when you do something 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,480 and then you forget that you did it right? 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,480 And you're like, and you and you're in like a state of 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,000 wonderment. Is that even a word Wonderment. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,760 We're going to make it a word for this. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,080 OK, A state of wonderment. I fixed the central air in the 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,000 tower. OK. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,800 And completely forgot that I fixed it, OK. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,520 Like I ran new wires and everything just because it was 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,040 not functional when I got in here. 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,680 And I'm sitting here and I'm like, yo, I'm so cool. 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,520 It feels like it's 60° in here. And then I just remembered that 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,800 I got the damn central air working and I have it running 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,320 right now because I didn't feel like like being tortured while I 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,400 was doing this. You thought it was like you 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,720 thought it was magic or something. 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,720 Yeah. It was a hot 1 today too. 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Jesus. Yeah, it was so hot. 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Brutal. Shut this magic off because 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,520 we're getting started. Welcome. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Welcome, everyone to Splintered Spirits Live. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,120 What's? Going on, everybody welcome. 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Guys, I hope you can hear me OK. You might see me a little in 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,160 like as if I'm in a different realm, but that's just my camera 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,400 might be doing some weird stuff. It's just I don't know what to 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,760 tell you today. It's going to be a we're just 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,560 going to as long as you can hear me just fine. 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,600 That's really what matters. Don't worry about the sync. 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,480 I really, you know, live things are happening. 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,800 That's how they go. Hello. 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,320 Hello, everyone. It's very true. 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Especially when it's live. Especially when it's live, you 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,320 know, this week so well, this week, you know, look, we dropped 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,120 the Dan Sturgis episode. That was a fun one. 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,360 We got some good feedback on that. 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,960 Lot of great feedback on that. A lot of great feedback. 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,120 People were loved with Dan, you know? 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,320 Yeah, Dan's a pro, you know. Everybody, you know, we're going 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,120 to see him soon. You know, he's going to he's 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,200 I'm, I'm, we're linking up soon. You know, we're going to see him 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,080 on the stream. And, you know, who knows, maybe 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,280 we'll make it a Thursday and we can, you know, fall right into, 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,520 you know, another live episode of Splintered Spirits at the 47 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,920 same time. Well, you know, he's got that 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,960 merchant house that he does investigating and he you know, 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 he really he's been that's his like almost like I would say 50 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,640 it's safe to say his life's work and it'll be really cool if he 51 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:37,840 lets you in there and you can see what what's going on in into 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,600 that place that would. Be cold. 53 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Right. I mean, that's a very different 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,000 thing for us. It'd be a nice change of scenery 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,760 for you too. And he's just one of those old 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,240 school pros, you know, and it's really interesting to so, you 57 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:59,760 know, in in the vein of that kind of like a classic 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,560 paranormal investigator. We have a guest on today and, 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,520 you know, I like to do these lives, as you know, with other 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,480 influencers. And this guy is like, you know, 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,880 I think he much like you in a, in a, in a, in a way, took 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,600 advantage of social media early in the paranormal space when 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,040 there wasn't a lot of people doing it. 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,960 And it's going to be fun to have him on. 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,440 I want to talk to him about a lot of things because I, I look 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,680 at him and I, I don't think it's obviously, but I feel like he's 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,120 a traditionalist in a lot of ways about how he approaches 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,040 things. So, you know, I'm excited to get 69 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,680 him on. He'll be joining us very soon. 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,880 How's everybody in the chat doing? 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,000 What's going on? Chat? 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,400 I can't read the chat right now. I got it. 73 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,040 I'll. Read the chat, I'll do. 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,360 I'll do some chat reading. Yeah, yeah, Chat reading. 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,760 For these fine people, if they've got anything interesting 76 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:58,480 to say right now, they're just saying hello, hello, hi, hello, 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,600 welcome. There it is. 78 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:09,880 Hello Chat. Yeah, what's everyone saying? 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Everyone still has. Everyone cycling in. 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Kirsten Renee Hale. We got a lot of cool. 81 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 People a lot of meow, a lot of people with meow names and 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,920 various cat names in your chat. Meow. 83 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,920 They're all, they're all cat people. 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,320 Yep. You know how we do it. 85 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,360 I mean, in general, I think the majority of us are fur baby 86 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,720 people. You know what I mean? 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,480 Like, we love both dogs and cats. 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,840 I mean, I know I do. I love animals in general. 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,600 I'm a dog person for sure. For sure. 90 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,040 I'm low volume. You you're telling me you can't 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,960 hear me that well? How's that? 92 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Is that a little better? I can amp it up. 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Hopefully that helps. Is that better, folks? 94 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 I hear you better. I mean, I was hearing you fine 95 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,760 before, but now? Now I hear you. 96 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,320 I hear you. OK. 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,120 All right, Isn't. That weird usually if I'm if 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,120 either I'm having the issues or you're having the issues. 99 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,360 I know dude, the lives are. The lives are tricky for sure. 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,080 What's up with the performance issues? 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,040 You know, it's usually not a problem for either of us. 102 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:28,640 I like this service because it's easy, but like for quality, 103 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,080 because we're going through the web, it's always iffy. 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Right. It's not like there's the other 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,480 service that everybody uses, which is which we used to use 106 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,840 the Riverside FM, which we can go back to as this gets bigger 107 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,840 because it does give you a better quality because it 108 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,280 uploads the video after. After. 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,920 Yeah, but it's like, man, you know, as we're starting out, 110 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,040 this one just looks good and it's easier to use. 111 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Yeah, so you. Know, I mean, it looks good. 112 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,760 Now I'm reading the chat. Now I'm reading the chat. 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,680 What's up? What's up? 114 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Yeah, it looks good. I'm I'm watching it right now. 115 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,200 I'm watching the all. Right. 116 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Cool, cool. Hopefully our guest is going to 117 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,520 join us any minute. Hopefully he's not having any 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,000 problems logging in. And then once we get him here, 119 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,160 we will. We'll get going. 120 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,160 But yeah, OK, everyone's saying much better. 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,480 We great. Wait. 122 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,880 You know away. Yeah, so I was, I was cleaning 123 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,200 some graves today. That's what I did. 124 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,200 For where? Where were you going? 125 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Where were you cleaning them? No, the same old spot, same old 126 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,800 cemetery where I have permission to do it and what not. 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,240 And I'm usually there, you know, every other day, every day, 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,640 depending on the weather, of course. 129 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,160 The weather's just been horrible. 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,320 I mean, it was even raining on me when I was there for a bit. 131 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,440 You know, it's just the way it is these days in New York, I 132 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,080 guess with the summer. But it was interesting. 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,760 I got a couple interesting responses. 134 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:03,120 I think the mother of a 5A5 month old headstone I was 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,160 cleaning came through. Do you find that you get more 136 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,080 action? Do you find that you get more 137 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,000 action when you're cleaning a child's gravestone versus an 138 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,120 older person's gravestone? No, no, it's been 5050 because 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,760 I've cleaned both, you know, I've cleaned almost every age 140 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,960 that, you know, age groups, if you will. 141 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,240 And like, it's it's 5050. You never know what's going to 142 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,400 come through. You never know, you know, if 143 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,600 anything's going to come through. 144 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,280 I mean, there's been somewhere, it's just been, you know, 145 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,960 gibberish where it's nothing coherent or may I say my nothing 146 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,240 that passed my bar, you know, that made me go, OK dude, did 147 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,840 you see that? The video I posted the other 148 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,240 day. Well, hold on, I want to get to 149 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,920 that, but our, our guest is in the waiting room. 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,560 He just said I don't want to keep him, keep him waiting too 151 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,760 long. No, let me tell you about, let 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,560 me tell you about our guest. Everybody who's sitting here, I 153 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,400 think he can hear me and hopefully he's going to let me 154 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 embarrass him by bragging about him for just a minute. 155 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Our guest today is Brandon. Our guest today is Brandon 156 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Kramer. All right, Brandon is a seasoned 157 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 paranormal investigator with over 2 decades of hands on 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 experience exploring the unknown. 159 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,840 He is a Wisconsin native. And by the way, let me say this, 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,640 I, I wouldn't even have to say that his, he's got one of those 161 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Wisconsin accents that's classic, just like you and I 162 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,360 have that Goombaugh New York accent. 163 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Like you're going to know where this cat's from right away. 164 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,880 He's worn many hats, right? He's an investigator, a ghost 165 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,960 hunter, an educator and a trainer. 166 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 And I get he really enjoys coaching others and I'm hoping 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,320 to get some information out of him because I need the coaching 168 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,000 for sure because I don't know shit about anything. 169 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,159 Which is a fact, right? Over the years, Brandon has 170 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,440 uncovered compelling evidence of unexplained phenomena and shared 171 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,240 his insights as a guest on numerous podcasts, including his 172 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,640 own paranormal Watchtower, which you guys can check out on 173 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,800 YouTube. But for most he's known as real 174 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,840 ghost hunter one which you can find. 175 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,120 And dude, he's got over 450,000 TikTok followers. 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,720 So let me bring him in right now and add him to the stream. 177 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,320 How are you? How's it going? 178 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,160 Good man. How are you? 179 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,760 All of us. Cool. 180 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,120 Can you see it? Can you hear us OK? 181 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear. 182 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:21,640 No problem. No problem. 183 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:28,800 I was actually watching on here. I'm like waiting to come in. 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,400 I'm like, so John, I, I haven't seen you for a long time, just 185 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,440 watching a lot of the lives. I got questions for you if we 186 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,880 have time for that. It's nice to meet you face to 187 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,920 face. Nice to meet you too. 188 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Thank you. So thanks for having me in. 189 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,200 I'm excited. I like, I love doing these so, 190 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,800 but we can just jump right into it whenever you're ready. 191 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,000 Cool. Yeah, I would love to. 192 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,040 I always, I always start every, every question. 193 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,120 The first question I ask all of our guests is this one, because 194 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,400 what we try to do on splintered spirits, it's really about 195 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,480 spirit communication and what are spirits? 196 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,200 So I want to ask you, what do you think spirits are and what 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,880 happens when we die? OK, well, and, and that is a has 198 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,960 been a big topic as of lately, as in the last year, there's a 199 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 lot of controversy. People think they're just demons 200 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 and this and that. But I, I am old school. 201 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,000 I believe that they are spirits of our past. 202 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,520 I call them past personalities. That's kind of what I call them. 203 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Instead of ghosts or spirits, I just call them past 204 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,760 personalities. That covers the whole gamut of 205 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,720 things. But they're definitely, in my 206 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 opinion, used to be human, so they're souls. 207 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Spirits, OK, but you say it's soul. 208 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,000 When you say souls, do you say that in like a religious sense 209 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,800 or do you say is there no like what? 210 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,080 What is? What do you think it is? 211 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Well, and, and that's a good question, but to me, when you're 212 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,360 talking about what we're talking to, what we're communicating 213 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,560 with it is it isn't a religious thing. 214 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,520 It's a spiritual thing. And I know how hokey that 215 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,280 sounds, but it's definitely because no matter what your 216 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,360 religion is, there's an afterlife, whether you want to 217 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,640 admit it or not, you know, so everybody has their own words 218 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,680 that they want to call it, but it's all the same thing. 219 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,760 We all go to the same place, you know, we all go to. 220 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,280 I shouldn't say we go to the same place. 221 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:30,560 We go through the same steps and end up going wherever we need to 222 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,200 go and do whatever we need to do. 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,160 But to say that it's religious based, No, no, it's not 224 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,840 religious based. It's spiritual based. 225 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,360 It's just you are what you are. There's no way to change that. 226 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,960 You can't label it as a religion, you know what I mean? 227 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,920 OK, OK. Now, when you got into this, you 228 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:56,680 know, so it's like, are, did you have mentors or like how did 229 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,640 you, how did you start? I mean, we'll get into like how 230 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,480 you really started and what turned you on to but like, how 231 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,160 did you get? I saw, you know, I saw that you 232 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,680 were, you know, you were giving tours in haunted locations and 233 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:09,560 you were, you'll be a private practice where someone calls 234 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,000 you. But like what taught you your 235 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,120 methodology? Because I look at you man, and I 236 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,720 see like a guy who has a very and some of the interviews I've 237 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,800 seen of you in the videos I watch you, you clearly have a 238 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,120 methodology and I kind of know. How did you come to? 239 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Well, a lot of, a lot of it, a lot of it is, is through 240 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,000 personal experience. And that's how everybody should 241 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,520 grow, in my opinion. Yes, you can take hints from 242 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,360 other people and I have, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not one of 243 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 those guys who's going to come out and say, whoa, you know, it 244 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,560 was, I watched Ghost Adventures and that made me do it, although 245 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,560 it kind of did. I will admit, you know, there's 246 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,040 a little bit of truth to that. There's I like to think as 247 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,600 myself is because I used to like when I first started on TikTok, 248 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,680 people used to call me Zach Baggins of TikTok. 249 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,160 That's before he had a bad rap. You know what I'm saying? 250 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:07,720 But just because I dress like a doesn't mean I'm just like a so. 251 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,160 But there's there's certain things that you should take from 252 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,280 from Zach from like Jason Hawes is a big, a huge been a been a 253 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,600 big influence on me. I've talked to him several times 254 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:28,200 and I like to model my stuff off of the spiritual responses that 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,440 I get. And I learned from that. 256 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,000 That's the most. But yes, there are people out 257 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,400 there, you know, I've talked to a priest, I've talked to mediums 258 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:41,320 I've talked to, you know, a lot of I've learned a lot from going 259 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,080 out and and not interviewing, but just having normal 260 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 conversations with a lot of these people, a lot of people 261 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:50,120 that you probably know, but to say. 262 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Dude I don't know shit by the. Way. 263 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,560 Tell me like I don't know anybody. 264 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,800 Well, and I'm I'm trying really hard. 265 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,800 I'm trying really hard not to name drop because it's tough for 266 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,160 me, you know, but bro, it's fine. 267 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,680 Well, well. We don't want to badmouth 268 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,520 anybody, but let's name drop I will. 269 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:08,960 Say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's something who means 270 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,560 something to you that you like, value. 271 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:15,760 What you do that is. OK, well, OK, I I had the lock 272 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,440 and opportunity to meet and hang out for all many times with the 273 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,440 guys from Ghost Hunters. You got Jason Hawes, you know, 274 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,960 Dave Tango and it's Steve. I can't pronounce his last name, 275 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,280 but you know, they're they're great guys and they're really 276 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,800 down to earth and they don't bullshit anybody. 277 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,640 They don't they don't try to make it out to be something it's 278 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,040 not. And that's something that I 279 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,960 admire, whether you have been doing it for 30 years or if you 280 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,600 just started a month ago, if you are willing to say, hey, you 281 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 know what, there's a slight possibility that that was not 282 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,760 paranormal. So I'm not going to push it that 283 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,040 it was paranormal. That means to me, when I see 284 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,400 somebody do that, they they jump up and respect for me. 285 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Gotcha. That's what I used to love about 286 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,840 those old the old ghost Hunter, man. 287 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,760 The old ghost Hunter shows, dude. 288 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,840 Some of those, some of those episodes were just so there was 289 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,200 nothing going on. There was no production into it. 290 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,840 There was raw, you know, and it was shown to the audience as 291 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,240 raw. It was great. 292 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Yeah. And that's another thing when 293 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,400 you watch a live, if you see somebody who generally has a lot 294 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,960 of stuff happened or they have a lot of videos that have a lot of 295 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,560 things, activity, I should say, and then you go watch them live 296 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,800 and there's nothing happening to me. 297 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,480 That's validation because they're not faking it like most 298 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,560 people do. I mean, you can scroll TikTok 299 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,360 anytime, day or night and see a paranormal group that's faking 300 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,040 stuff. It's, it's so obvious to 301 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:55,760 somebody like me, so obvious, but it, and it just means a lot 302 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,240 when people actually take it seriously. 303 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,360 I mean, I'm, I'm all for joking around and doing that, you know, 304 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,880 because spirits like that too. They like to goof around too. 305 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,120 You got to have a little bit of that, but you also don't want to 306 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,800 just make a mockery of the whole thing. 307 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,880 You know, so Brandon, when you when you get someone calls you 308 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,040 and they say, hey, I got a ghost in my house, I need you to come 309 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,400 in and do an investigation, right? 310 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,640 But I don't know if you do this actively still anymore. 311 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,040 I wrote down, I'm taking a guess what are the what's the first 312 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,120 thing you do when you go to that house? 313 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,160 Like what's the first thing you check? 314 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Someone calls up Brandon. I got a ghost in my house. 315 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,720 And then be like, all right, I wrote down three things that I 316 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,040 bet and I want to see if they match. 317 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,040 Up there's there's a whole process that happens before we 318 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,560 get to that. But if you're talking about when 319 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,600 I first walk in the door, I first thing I walk in is get 320 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,440 their story. I get their story. 321 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,920 I find out where these happened in the home and, and then, OK, 322 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,880 you know, I might take some notes or one of my, one of my 323 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,600 people that are with me are going to take notes. 324 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,320 And then what I'll do is I'll take a baseline reading through 325 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,920 the whole house. We'll, we'll go through with, 326 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,079 I'm not going to go through the list of paranormal equipment 327 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:12,960 that we use, but it, we go through and we basically take 328 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,079 readings of all the, the, the electromagnetic fields in the 329 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,640 house and just everything in the whole area. 330 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,319 And then that way we have somewhere to go off of. 331 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,839 After I listen to their story, I do the, the tour. 332 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,920 Then then we start setting up, you know, the cameras and things 333 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,320 like that. And then going to setting up 334 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,960 recorders. There's a, there's a lot of 335 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,360 process. There's a lot of stuff that we 336 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:41,720 do is it takes a while. It's, it's way more complicated 337 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,800 than just going to a haunted location and throwing a R.E.M. 338 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Pod on the ground and hollering who's here with me? 339 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,200 I was. Totally wrong, by the way. 340 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,920 It was totally wrong. Here's what I thought for sure, 341 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,480 Brandon does. He checks. 342 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,720 He tells him to check their plumbing, electrical and pests 343 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,760 before he wastes. Before he wastes. 344 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,560 That that happens before I even get there. 345 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,320 That that's before I even get there. 346 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,200 I ask if there's pets, if there's children here, here, 347 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,920 here is here's a nightmare scenario. 348 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,360 You, you get, you get there and you're in a third floor 349 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:20,400 apartment and they have people above them and below them and, 350 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,920 and on the side. So there's so much, so much 351 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,880 garbaging up your evidence that you're like, it is really tough 352 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,560 to come up with any solid evidence from there. 353 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,040 But I've done it. I've done it to the point where 354 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,000 there was a lady and, and her daughter that could not, would 355 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,840 not stay in their house because they, they were getting scared 356 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,000 in their bathroom. And after a couple nights, it 357 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,200 actually took a few nights, we came to conclusion that it was 358 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,120 some Carol. And I asked her who Carol was, 359 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,240 and here it was her mom. Wow. 360 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,840 Didn't didn't know any of that information until after we were 361 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,880 done. And it it there's a lot more to 362 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520 it. But but yeah, so the there's 363 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,600 always a scared in the damn bathroom, you know, I know. 364 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,960 Well, I mean, if you're a ghost, are you are you going to watch 365 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,240 people shower? I mean, you know. 366 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,200 I guess that's true. That's true. 367 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,640 They're probably a little bit creepy. 368 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,040 So Grant, you said you have, you have people. 369 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,760 So do you like working with the team? 370 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,880 Do you find value in that or do you like go on with yourself? 371 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,720 Absolutely. If they're, if I'm doing a 372 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,840 private investigation and I have two different answers, if I, if 373 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,160 I'm doing a private investigation for someone who 374 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,000 needs help in their home, I'm, I absolutely bring a team. 375 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 If I'm doing something and I'll get, I'll explain that a little 376 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,400 bit too. But when I'm doing like a 377 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,720 haunted location, I'm going to an insane asylum or something 378 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,560 like that. I prefer to be either by myself 379 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,400 or with one other person. And the reason that is, is 380 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,400 because I learned that when we went to the Ferrari, I held an 381 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:01,320 event at Ferrar back in 2021 and it we had like 11:50 TikTok 382 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,400 people there. And I learned from that and 383 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,640 going to ISS or whatever the heck it's called in Indiana, 384 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,000 that you have too many cooks in the kitchen and everybody wants 385 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,280 to be the host. So you're kind of fighting over 386 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,800 camera time instead of doing an investigation. 387 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,040 That's funny, You know what I mean? 388 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,800 Like everybody wants to be, we want. 389 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,000 Stars, we want those likes. What are those likes? 390 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,400 Everybody wants to be the star and, and I get it, I understand, 391 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,240 but it it really interferes with the investigation itself. 392 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,680 So. Brandon Speaking of the for a 393 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,320 fairer, how I'm going to pronounce it the. 394 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,360 Fairer school for our For our. School. 395 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Yeah, I've heard you talk about this before. 396 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,720 Have you ever tried to figure out what that black that smoke 397 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,720 monster was or like done deeper investigations? 398 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,640 Like what is that entity or what do you think? 399 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,840 Well, it is we we originally thought that it was the 400 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,920 principle. Those of you who don't know the 401 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,640 story real quick, of course it's a principle. 402 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,400 Of course it's a principle. Brand Is this the floating head 403 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,520 story? No. 404 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,160 That's a different one. That's I want to ask you about 405 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:06,840 that. Later. 406 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Yeah, that's, that's a great. One I remember you telling me 407 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,520 that. That that floating head one is 408 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,960 that's, that's like my title story, right? 409 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,120 There. Yeah, yeah, you got, you got to 410 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,880 talk about. Tell this one first. 411 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Yeah, but we're all we're. All talking over each other, 412 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,400 Brandon, Go on, go on, tell us about. 413 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,440 This, I'm going to make it real short. 414 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,720 We we went to Ferrar years ago and I was with like the first 415 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280 team I was ever on was like one of the bigger teams. 416 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,680 Anyway, we went there and this was way before I went solo. 417 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,280 We went there and we did investigation. 418 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,280 Half the team went to sleep and half of us were up there doing a 419 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040 spirit box session. And I think this was right 420 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:51,280 after, I think it was 2015 ish in that ballpark when the SB11 421 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,520 first came out, like the first when it first came out the 422 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,200 spirit box, the SB11. Anyway, so we were doing a sesh 423 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,840 up there and one lady, one girl, she was, she was doing it and, 424 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,680 and, and she was holding it and she started to get kind of, you 425 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,040 know, feel kind of icky and scared and whatever. 426 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,960 And we, we just kind of blew it off as well. 427 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,240 You know, you're, you're a girl, you know, blah, blah, blah, 428 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,840 you're fine. You know, it was 2015. 429 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,520 You could talk. Like that it was different, then 430 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,880 it was different. Than a different doctor. 431 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840 It was. It was 10 years ago. 432 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,880 This is different times. You were far more sexist as 433 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,440 ghost hunters then. Yeah, you can't talk like that 434 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,760 today. But anyway. 435 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,600 But then through the spirit boxes, we started getting 436 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:41,360 warnings and it and it started to get increasingly scary to the 437 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,480 point where they were saying they were telling us to hide, 438 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,240 run and hide. And he's coming, he's coming and 439 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840 it and it said a couple names. It's been a long time. 440 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,480 I don't remember exactly what the names are. 441 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Then all of a sudden the back door flew open. 442 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,400 Now keep in mind there's eight people in there, 6 to 8 people 443 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,720 in there. And the back door flew open to 444 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,960 the auditorium. Everybody else is, is, is is 445 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,960 sleeping, flew open and this black mask came in that you 446 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,280 could see in the dark. That's how dark this thing was. 447 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,000 It was dark and it kept getting bigger and bigger and coming 448 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,040 closer. And as it got closer, kept 449 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,600 getting bigger and bigger and we heard these roaring noises like 450 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,040 this, super scary. Like you think it was a movie 451 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,760 The way I'm explaining it, but it's super scary. 452 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,920 Scared the hell out of all of us. 453 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,840 Everybody took off running at this point. 454 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800 The girl that was doing the session was fell down in the 455 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,440 fetal position and was totally ugly crying, just bawling her 456 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,760 eyes out. Couldn't take it, scared to 457 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,960 death, saw the thing, couldn't not handle it. 458 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,560 Everybody took off. This thing is getting closer. 459 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,760 By this time it's about 10 feet away from us already. 460 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,160 I picked her up, rolled my shoulder, ran out the stairs or 461 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,920 out the hall. Down the stairs is on the 3rd 462 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,160 floor. Went down to flights of stairs, 463 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,920 went outside. We all hung out out there. 464 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Some people left refusing to come back and we waited out 465 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,360 there for a good hour. I was shake shaken up and then 466 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:18,800 back and then we ended up going back in 21 October of 21. 467 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,760 It was the 8th through the 11th I think. 468 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,080 And there was Jen from extreme screams. 469 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,160 She saw the the dark entity that I saw and she told me about it 470 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,160 and like an idiot Ray from Nebraska Paranormal who who 471 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,560 might be on the show eventually he was recording me running out 472 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,840 after it like a lunatic trying to get at this thing that well, 473 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,680 I had like four or five years to build up courage to, you know, 474 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,440 go after this thing and completely lost my mind and ran 475 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,600 out towards it. Like I, I don't know what I was 476 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,880 going to do when I got to it, but you know that. 477 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,880 Yeah. So that's that's what happened 478 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,160 there. I have. 479 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,400 We did not. I didn't even get to see it when 480 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,000 we went back as far as what we. Think it was Oh yeah, sorry I. 481 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,400 I think it it was, I don't think it was the principle like 482 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,160 everybody thinks it is. I think it's something darker 483 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,600 that holds spirits there. I think it's something that's 484 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,800 guarding and preventing some of the spirits there from leaving. 485 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,440 Do you, do you think, did you ever look at the history of this 486 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,520 school Like we did horrible things happen there. 487 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,480 Did my kids die in a fire or some shit? 488 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,200 Like you know what? And, and I try not to, I try not 489 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200 to do that until after I get some solid evidence so that I 490 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,600 could compare to it. I'm not one of those who does a 491 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,240 lot of research before I get there as far as details, because 492 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,120 I like to pick them up on my own because I don't want to pre 493 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,080 program that in my head. So when I'm listening to a 494 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,160 spirit box, you know, I know let's say Peter was the 495 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240 principal and because then, you know you're going to hear Peter, 496 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,280 you know what I'm saying? Yeah. 497 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,120 Yeah, sure. That's the same thing. 498 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,680 It's like, who's to say that Peter that's coming through is 499 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,160 the same Peter? That's the principal. 500 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,560 Exactly, exactly. You know, So no, to answer your 501 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,920 question, no, I did not. And I kind of didn't want to 502 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,400 because that's one of the places that I hold dear to my heart. 503 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,920 And unfortunately I don't think I'll ever get to go back because 504 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,480 now it's owned by Sam and Colby and they changed everything. 505 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,280 So, so you know that the you used to go be able to go in 506 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,440 there for 300 bucks and now it's over 15. 507 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,000 So yeah, it's a completely different. 508 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Let me ask you something. It's over. 509 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,880 It's over 15. Is there are are there people 510 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,280 there? Are you allowed to go, you know, 511 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,920 by yourself? Like, is it one of those things 512 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520 where there's always going to be living people in the building 513 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,640 and not anymore? The people that used to own it, 514 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,520 the woman's name was Nancy. Her and her husband and her dog 515 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,520 used to live there and they were there day in and day out because 516 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240 we would have to stop our investigations for half an hour 517 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,920 or whatever so she could let the dog out before they went to bed. 518 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,280 So they were always there then. Then they had it up for sale for 519 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,560 a long time. I actually tried to buy it, but 520 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,520 you know, price tag was a little bit too high for me, you know, 521 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,960 and I did talk to Nancy and try to work negotiations, but she 522 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,680 had another offer that was better. 523 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,480 And anyway, Long story short, it ended up going to some bank, 524 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,000 bought it and then Sam and Colby bought it. 525 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,120 So, right, so they own it now. So I mean, hey, if you want to 526 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,360 meet Sam and Colby, they might be there if you want to go. 527 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:52,480 There what So OK, that's a, that's a, a fascinating story of 528 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,760 something you've done and you like, and it sounds like you 529 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,400 were doing that early on as you were working with early teams. 530 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,320 Now with your, with the experience you've had, if you 531 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,000 went to your dream location of an Alcatraz, how would you start 532 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,360 that up? How would you start? 533 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,680 Like who would you bring with you? 534 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,920 What would be your? What would be the move? 535 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,880 I've got. What are you looking for? 536 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,760 What are you hoping to see? What are you hoping to get and 537 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,520 how would you do it man to make it like? 538 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,360 In a dream. My dream stuff. 539 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:23,240 A dream scenario would be to have Jason Hawes, Steve, all the 540 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,360 guys from ghost hunters come with me even and you know we're 541 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,000 talking dream, right? It's my dream. 542 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,680 We're we're. Going to go with it's your dream 543 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,160 dude. This is your bucking this thing. 544 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,680 I'm not, I should be looking at the chat right now. 545 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,280 I don't know who's talking shit or not. 546 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,680 But anyways, they're getting away with it because I can't see 547 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920 nothing. Don't worry about it. 548 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,080 That's so good. Anyway, yeah, it would be the 549 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,440 ghost hunters, myself and a few choice others that I that are 550 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,280 unfamous and I hope they stay unfamous because they're so good 551 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,880 and I don't know how they're not famous yet, but bless their 552 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680 heart, they're awesome. We would all go there and it 553 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,160 would everything would be recorded. 554 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,280 The whole thing would be like a big documentary that would be 555 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,520 like that's that would be my dream to make it Alcatraz 556 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,000 documentary because I do know some of the stories from there. 557 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,640 And and who didn't play Call of Duty Alcatraz? 558 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,480 I mean, come on, I already know the layout. 559 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 You kidding me? I played that for 50 hours a 560 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,480 week. You kidding me? 561 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040 That was great, right? So right, right. 562 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960 So I already know the layout of the place, but. 563 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,080 And who's on the team is like with these people on the team, 564 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720 are they have the same skill set as you or do you bring people 565 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760 with specialties? Is it like the A-Team, right? 566 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,120 You got your demolition? Absolutely. 567 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,360 You got your like, what is that? What does that look like? 568 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920 Yeah, this goes back to the question where you said, you 569 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,120 know, do you want to go as a team? 570 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880 When I'm, when I'm building a team, I'm very particular. 571 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200 I'm probably one of the pickiest guys ever. 572 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,840 My I, I test any kind, anybody that says they're a medium goes, 573 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,800 they go through the gamut of, of tests to, to see how good they 574 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,400 are and they have to be a certain quality to be on the 575 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,640 team. I've had some amazing, I was 576 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,440 blessed to have some amazing mediums on through the years and 577 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,480 they're awesome. It is very hard to compete. 578 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,520 You, you, you really need to have a medium on there because 579 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,760 they can validate what you get through your equipment. 580 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,760 So if you get something through your equipment, they can 581 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,240 validate and say, yes, that's person is right over there. 582 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,560 They're looking at you. They're they're saying this and 583 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,040 this and this. And then immediately after that 584 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,800 you get the same message through the spirit box. 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,480 You can't top that. That is the best. 586 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760 That is, that is rock solid if you ask me. 587 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Right. OK. 588 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,520 So you got a medium? Yep, you got a medium. 589 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,240 Like a tech, like a tech person. Yep, that's really good at that, 590 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,600 right? Yep. 591 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,760 You got to have a tech person, somebody that knows how to hook 592 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,600 everything up, how to do that, how to watch. 593 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,200 You got to have somebody that's watching the cameras, who knows 594 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640 what to look for. You got to have somebody that 595 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360 doesn't, you know they're not on the walkie-talkie telling you 596 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,360 every time a piece of dust flies by, telling you there's an orb 597 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,920 by you. You don't want that, you know, 598 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,520 you want somebody that knows what to look for and knows how 599 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,000 to end. This is all stuff that I used to 600 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,800 go through when I did the training, you know, just stuff 601 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,680 to to not be alarmed at and, and, and whatever. 602 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,120 But so you need a tech guy, you need a medium, you need somebody 603 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,120 and, and you can be one of those people. 604 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440 You know what I mean? You don't have to like hire out 605 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160 or do anything. If you want to do it, you can do 606 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,960 that. But the problem is, is you can't 607 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,880 watch the cameras and do the investigation at the same time. 608 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,240 So you got to have somebody do that. 609 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,120 Let's see, what else do you need. 610 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160 That's basically it. But like when you're doing a 611 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,240 private investigation, you want to you want to do it in two 612 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,480 different ways where the people that live there are gone and 613 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,280 then you want to do a more when they're there because it's a 614 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,360 completely different investigation especially. 615 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,440 If why? Why would it become? 616 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Why does it make it different when they're there? 617 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,400 What makes it different with them being there versus when 618 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,000 they're not? If it's the spirits. 619 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,720 If the if the person is not there, you are investigating the 620 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,800 location. OK, If the people are there, 621 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,320 you're investigating them and their attachment to the Spirit. 622 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,680 I see. OK. 623 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Because if they have something that's attached to them, if they 624 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,400 leave the house, the entity will leave the house, you see. 625 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,320 Where they're. Going kind of the difference 626 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,960 between a house and a home. You know the home, you know the 627 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,920 home. What's the home? 628 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,760 The people in it. Yep, Yep. 629 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,480 So, OK, so that's that's how I look at it. 630 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,880 And. I do want to say, I don't want 631 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,040 to say, you know, because some people call themselves a pro or 632 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,440 whatever, an expert. I don't, I don't consider myself 633 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,760 an expert. I don't believe there is such a 634 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,640 thing in this field. I want to make that. 635 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,240 Say it all the time. I agree with him 100%. 636 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,760 I don't I don't think there is there is any way that you can be 637 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:13,200 a professional until you make that you know, journey fill you 638 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,800 and go through it, but that's that's I just wanted to make 639 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,200 that clear. I don't want people thinking, 640 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,840 oh, this guy thinks he knows everything. 641 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,320 It's. Cool, but look, it's like it's, 642 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,080 you know, I look at I've been, I've been diving into this thing 643 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,880 for a few months and I've been talking to, you know, people who 644 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160 studied from UVA to the psychical research to the 645 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,200 Forever Family Foundation to, you know, Arthur Finley school, 646 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600 like all these people who study, right? 647 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600 And really when it comes to, and all of them who, you know, they 648 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200 all are open minded because they all are like, what are we 649 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,080 talking about? We don't know what it is. 650 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,520 Here's what we think it is based on our years of experience. 651 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,800 And that's how you sort of can tell the difference between 652 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,280 somebody who is and who isn't, in my opinion, right. 653 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,240 So like that just as what I'm learning and what they're 654 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,800 saying. So they can only rely on the 655 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,080 evidence they've gathered from the, some of these people doing 656 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,640 this shit for like 40 years and they have thousands of case 657 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,240 files. And it's like, well, this is 658 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,880 what I have discovered and seen and here's how I break down 659 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,080 things. And I, I enjoy that. 660 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,520 And you got to respect it. And that's what they see. 661 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,400 I wasn't there. So I don't know what they, what 662 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040 it is, right. So, you know, Brandon, you talk 663 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560 a lot about the, the, the tech of it all. 664 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,440 And I feel like, is that important to you, the tech and 665 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,760 how is it advanced in your years of doing this? 666 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,159 Well, when I first started there, there wasn't much to it 667 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:37,679 other than your voice recorder, EMF detector, you know, and 668 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,600 your, your, your basic little, you know, before the official 669 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,840 R.E.M. pod came out. I mean, I don't know if John 670 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,080 knows about these, but they used to have just little boxes with a 671 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,719 little antenna that would real flimsy and they would break 672 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,159 every time you drop them. So you're constantly buying new 673 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,600 ones. Dude, we would, we would, we 674 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,320 would modify Thurman's, you know, the, the, the musical 675 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,920 instrument, you know, back in the day. 676 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200 And those things were so flimsy sometimes they'd break when we 677 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,560 were bringing them to a location. 678 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,080 Sure. You know, it's it's yeah, yeah. 679 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,600 So, so the advancement in technology is phenomenal and, 680 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,640 and the toys that they have now, and I call them toys, don't take 681 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,080 that as disrespect, but they're. We're big kids and they're the 682 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,840 toys. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 683 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,560 something about all I'm gonna say something about all tech 684 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,240 that will be disrespectful to many. 685 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,400 But go ahead. I'll tell you what I'm. 686 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,640 But you know, when, when it comes to, there's a big 687 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,160 discussion as far as the app situation and this and that. 688 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,440 And I'm not against apps. I, I kind of, I like them as 689 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,360 long as, as, as you're not believing every word that comes 690 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,360 out of it, you know, I'm, I'm totally OK with it. 691 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000 We all have our own journey. We all have our own process of 692 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,320 learning. So if, if, if, if the apps is 693 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,640 your thing and you're digging it, I can go for it. 694 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080 You know what I mean? I. 695 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,880 You know, look, here's how I look at it. 696 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640 This is, and again, take it from this noob, right, who doesn't 697 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,560 know anything, but it's like I look at things like I was 698 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,040 telling this to John. I was like, look, if, how do I, 699 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,840 how do I start this? I'll try to make it not too 700 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,720 long, but it's if a Carpenter messes up your renovation, 701 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,200 you're not going to blame his hammer, right? 702 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560 You're going to blame him. And I so that's the first thing, 703 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,320 right. So I look at all of the the the 704 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,240 gadgets in the tech from which sticks, you know, which are 705 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,680 metal hanger rod, those dousing rods to that. 706 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,800 What's that that ovulous thing that you have? 707 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,600 It's like 600 bucks, John, that thing. 708 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,840 That's like I look. At it all as tools of because 709 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,480 here's the thing fellas, I'm going to tell you this straight 710 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,920 up. If we actually created a device 711 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,960 or an app that can talk to the dead, the world as we know it 712 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,280 would be changed forever. It would be bigger than Apple 713 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,640 and Nike. It's not, but I do believe in 714 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,480 people and I believe that. I believe in intuition. 715 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,920 We all have it right. We all have a vibe, right? 716 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,040 You walk in if a guy walks into a bar, John, I've heard you say 717 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,520 this too. Guy walks into a bar gives you a 718 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,520 bad vibe, right? Or you meet somebody you like, 719 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,440 you got a good connection, There's something there, right? 720 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,720 And much like, you know, everyone could throw a baseball, 721 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,480 but there's only a handful of us that are a handful of not us. 722 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960 I'm not one of them that could throw it at 98 miles an hour, 723 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,640 right? I think intuition is that same 724 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,120 thing where there are a handful of people who it's heightened 725 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,720 and and maybe that is what mediumship is, right? 726 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,800 And they're connecting to something on a different level. 727 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,280 So with that, it's like, look, I turn on these apps, I get Dick, 728 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,040 I get the same old thing that everybody gets of leave, get 729 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680 out. You know, why am I here? 730 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,480 It's all that stuff. But I've watched John do it and 731 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,520 it's. Been John chills. 732 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,400 When I think about it, it's specific so, and he doesn't like 733 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,520 it when I say it, Brandon, but it's like, you know, I'm like, 734 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,280 dude, dude, you're like some kind of medium. 735 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,320 And he makes that he makes. The dad joke. 736 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,600 He makes the dad joke. Because if I can, if I can touch 737 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,960 on that just for a second, the what people I, I like to include 738 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,040 myself in that category as, as, as someone. 739 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,640 You should, because I've seen some stuff of yours and it's 740 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,840 crazy what you've got. What I like to call it is like 741 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,080 we're a paranormal beacon. I've been saying that for about, 742 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,400 I don't know, seven years now, but it's, it's the ghosts or 743 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,640 spirits, if you will see us as like a, a lost ship looking for 744 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200 land. And they see the beacon, the 745 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,680 light beacon and they come towards it, you know, because 746 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,960 they know that that beacon is someone who is willing to listen 747 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,720 to them, willing to hear them out, willing to give them any 748 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:39,360 help that they can. And here's 1 tip that I really 749 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,960 like to stress to people that don't know me and that just go 750 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,400 out and do this is when you're doing a paranormal 751 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960 investigation, you're not just helping the family. 752 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,480 You can help the family by helping the spirit get what it 753 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520 wants, what it needs, where it needs to go. 754 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,440 Because if you can do that, if you can help the spirit, the 755 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,000 spirit's not going to be there to harm the family, to scare the 756 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,760 family. They're going to be gone. 757 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,160 And if the family doesn't? Have to work on that. 758 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,080 That's initially perspective, John. 759 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960 How does that fit into? You have a slightly different 760 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,520 perspective on this. How would you compare your? 761 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,440 Well, well, First off, my, my perspective is only different 762 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,600 because I don't even view myself as an, as an investigator or a 763 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,640 hunter. I view myself as a documenter. 764 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,880 So I actually, and you know, and people have judged me on this 765 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,720 plenty of times. I've been in situations where 766 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,360 I've refused to help the spirit, where I'm just like, all right, 767 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,800 you know, I'm just here to listen, you know, hear what's 768 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,000 going, you know, what's going on with the spirit, what it was 769 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,200 doing, especially if it's in a place where no one's getting 770 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,040 hurt or no one's getting bothered. 771 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,680 There was, I don't know, last summer, I believe it was where 772 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680 that circumstance changed for me, where I went from 773 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,680 documentation to actually having to get proactively involved. 774 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,680 And that's where a place I go, we call the Pre war burial 775 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960 ground. We came across an entity that 776 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,320 the spirits called the Smoke. And interesting enough, in the 777 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,880 woods, there's a little clearing and people walk their dogs. 778 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,680 It's like a nice little dog walking area around the burial 779 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,120 ground. And there's like a little 780 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,160 campfire set up. People that hang out back there. 781 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,520 We're getting harassed by something they nicknamed the 782 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,640 Creature. And this thing, you know, these 783 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,960 aren't paranormal people. These aren't people who even 784 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,400 think about this stuff. These are normal everyday 785 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,760 people, you know, that, you know, have no interest in the 786 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,200 paranormal whatsoever. And they're actually being 787 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,920 harassed by an entity back there. 788 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440 So I actually had to get proactively involved because 789 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,360 they came to me right on the stream and they're like, hey, 790 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,800 man, you're the guy that that talks to the spirits. 791 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,720 This is what's going on to us here. 792 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,960 And I'm like, well, it's funny because we're dealing with this 793 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,600 entity that the spirits are calling the smoke. 794 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,600 So I actually had to get involved and, and actually dig 795 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,120 into it and, you know, try to help it. 796 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,920 So it was, it was interesting. But I do listen, if you're going 797 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,800 for investigations and hunting and a family contacts you, you 798 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,520 know, you want to help them, you definitely do. 799 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,600 That is something you want to do 100%, you know so. 800 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,840 I'm I'm not saying if they have something evil, you're trying to 801 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,560 give it what it wants. That's not what I'm saying at. 802 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,200 All you know. If it's something evil, you're 803 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,120 you're looking to to cut the ties with the family at the bare 804 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,840 minimum and and at best case scenario is to to shun it from 805 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,720 the house. Best case scenario, if you can, 806 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,920 a lot of times, a lot of times you can't do it and you have to 807 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,480 see how it's like hell. True. 808 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,680 Brandon, have you ever, you know, I heard you tell a story 809 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,560 about like the first experience you had. 810 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160 And you know, as you're saying, you like to think you're you're 811 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160 one of those people, I believe that you probably are, you know, 812 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,360 one of those people who is a little more intuitive than most. 813 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,160 And when it comes to the story of Philip for you, you know as 814 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,960 that when you were a kid and now would you have you ever gone 815 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,560 back and to try to figure out. I haven't gone back haven't gone 816 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,120 back to the house. I have found out through some 817 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:22,000 further research that Phillip was an I'm trying to get the 818 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,640 story right now. Phillip was a guy that was 819 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,080 associated with the house apparently, and he, I can't 820 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,080 remember if he owned the house before them, but I didn't find 821 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,800 this out until like last year. Like I just found this out. 822 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,720 I had, I thought Phillip was just a name that, you know, my 823 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:47,720 step grandfather made-up to scare the kids into being good. 824 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,680 You know what I mean? You know, don't don't do that or 825 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,600 Phillip's going to get you. You know he would say that all 826 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,320 the time. How the hell did he know 827 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,440 Phillip? That's the question. 828 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,880 You. Know and that's a good question. 829 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,040 I think he made it up. I really think I this up until 830 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,080 last year I thought he made it up and it was just a scary story 831 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,960 was a boogeyman story to keep the kids in line. 832 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,120 But when I was a kid there was something there and I kept 833 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,000 calling him Phillip so interesting. 834 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,560 So he may have adopted that persona. 835 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,360 He's like fine, I'll be Phillip. Talk to me. 836 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,960 You know I'll be, you know, I'll call me whatever you want, as 837 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,400 long as you're willing to, you know, if you can hear me real. 838 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,640 Quick, real quick, I want to interject to, to to what he's 839 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,480 saying. And I love the fact that you 840 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,640 that you use those words, you know, adopt A persona because 841 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600 spirits do that all the time. But in that, in that scenario, 842 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,120 you know, another person would turn around and be like, oh, 843 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640 maybe it was something that got created. 844 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,840 Well, I think we touched on this on one of the what our past 845 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,160 guests where, you know, an entity gets created, you know. 846 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,160 Have you have you heard of this? For whatever reasons, Have you 847 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,720 heard of what was it called? An Aggregor. 848 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,480 An Aggregor. So. 849 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,120 You know, let's so, so Brandon, where, where John and I are from 850 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520 Westchester, NY, There's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a 851 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,680 wildly haunted place. But Washington Irving made one 852 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,000 of the counties very famous at Sleepy Hollow, right. 853 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,840 So that you have the probably the only true American monster 854 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,320 is the Headless Horseman. That's right from where we grew 855 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,680 up now a, a, a consciousness of the the one of the things about 856 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,160 the Headless Horseman is did Washington Irving get his 857 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,120 inspiration from a supposedly true story of a Hessian German 858 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,400 soldier getting his head blown off locally in White Plains, 859 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,880 which is where John frequents a lot, Or is it an agrigor, which 860 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,000 is the collective consciousness because the story spread has 861 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,880 built this manifestation of this spirit, right, which is like. 862 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,720 Like, yeah, like the Mothman. So it's really interesting, all 863 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,760 these different perspectives, but I like how Brandon literally 864 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,040 went to exactly what I would think also is, you know what, 865 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,680 there was something already there. 866 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,280 And it's like, oh, Phillip, I can be Phillip. 867 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,200 You know, an easier way to you know right now, get in there 868 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:08,560 you. Said you. 869 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,280 You said you. Heard when you were a child, 870 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,120 correct? Yes, that was 7. 871 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,120 Years old. Wow, seven years old. 872 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,440 And we all know that children and old people are the worst 873 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,720 when it comes to being scary. And the movies have taught us 874 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,080 nothing. Children and the elderly are 875 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,920 straight up the worst. But it's so. 876 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,080 But you looked up you, you said you looked into this and you 877 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,440 think there was a fill up associated with this property? 878 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,960 Yeah, yeah. And I come to find out that 879 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,680 there was actually and again, I just found this out last year 880 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,400 that and I'm well into my late 40s, OK, but. 881 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,600 I'm older, buddy. So, so this is quite some time 882 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,440 ago when I was 7, but anyway, I found out that there's actually 883 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,000 a supposedly a rocking chair that was owned by Phillip that 884 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,000 is still in the OR still in the house or in some sort of 885 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,280 property that was associated with. 886 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,480 Well my I guess you'd call them step grandparents that used to 887 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,240 live there so somewhere. There, the chairs are by far the 888 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,960 scariest chair. Is there a scarier chair than 889 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,640 the rocking chair? It moves by itself. 890 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,280 I mean, come on, everybody knows it. 891 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,600 And of course, they kept. So rumor has it that that is 892 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,760 Phillip's chair. I don't, I've, I've been trying 893 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,880 to get it now since I heard about it. 894 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,160 But let's just say it's it's it's it's in possession by the 895 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,280 person that possesses it is not willing to let it go. 896 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,960 So I have to wait. The wait, so it looks like you 897 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,480 said you like collecting this stuff. 898 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,480 I'm looking behind you. So that chair you have? 899 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640 It just about to get into that I want to. 900 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,960 Switch this up real quick. Yeah, I want. 901 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,840 To switch this whole thing up real quick. 902 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,320 All right, listen. What's? 903 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,800 Going on. So tell me about your Brandon 904 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,760 items and crystals and all that stuff. 905 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,600 What's going on? There. 906 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,280 Tell us about the auctions, man. Oh well, tell. 907 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480 Us about the auctions because this dude's got some. 908 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,840 Cool stuff that he auctions off a couple. 909 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640 Yes, and and. Real quick, Brandon, let me just 910 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,800 tell the people, right, If you want to find Brandon, he's got 911 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,080 his candle up there at real Ghost Hunter one, but he's going 912 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,440 to start selling his stuff. You know, he's got crystals for 913 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,680 sale and other stuff at Real Ghost Hunter One Point O on 914 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,320 TikTok. That's where his shop is. 915 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,120 That's Real Ghost Hunter. One Point O is where he's going 916 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,120 to move everything to OK, but yes, Bray, tell us about this 917 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,600 stuff that you're selling. I've even seen your Culver's Ray 918 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,800 opening boxes of cool ass skulls and shit. 919 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,800 I think it is cool but. Is there a? 920 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,320 Belief system behind what you're doing. 921 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,400 That's it. Absolutely, there is, absolutely 922 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,920 there is now all right. If we're if we're talking about 923 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,680 the sales part of what I do that started off with strictly 924 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,360 oddities, oddities quarter. I used to I used to to sell 925 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,920 things that I would get off of haunted eBay just to see, you 926 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,240 know, I would buy mystery boxes and open it up and see and see, 927 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,120 you know, what is there anything to it? 928 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,040 Is there? You know, I would test it out 929 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,800 and and there's been a few shocking things that I've gotten 930 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,280 so so it's not all, you know, hokey crap. 931 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,240 I mean, there is some stuff that is out there. 932 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,600 So it, it used to be just straight oddities. 933 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680 And I did that for a long time and was like once every two 934 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,320 weeks, I would, you know, sell off a couple things here and 935 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,240 there. And then people started. 936 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,000 Then it kind of took a turn when people would see that I had a 937 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960 crystal collection and they'd want to see it while that turned 938 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,680 into, Hey, can I buy that from you? 939 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,280 And I'm like, you know, whatever. 940 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,640 And then they keep harping on me, harping on me. 941 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,480 And eventually I'd sell a couple pieces. 942 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,920 Well, then word got out that I was doing that too. 943 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:55,760 So Fast forward to now. Now, every Friday night, I'm 944 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,640 selling tons of crystals. I got tons of them, I mean. 945 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,440 What is what's the deal with crystals? 946 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,400 Well. What's the thing? 947 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,120 And it started off with with the whole spiritual thing. 948 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,280 I'm, I was as deep into protection and cleansing and, 949 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,120 and all of that. And that goes hand in hand with 950 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,600 paranormal investigation. You should, you should have 951 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,640 protection. You should have ways to cleanse 952 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,920 yourself and, and to get rid of some of that so your paranormal 953 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,560 hangover isn't as bad afterwards. 954 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,760 And if you don't know what that is, I can go into that too. 955 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,960 But it's basically your, your body recovering from all the 956 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,280 stress from from the investigation and, and, and any 957 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,800 influences that may or may not have happened during. 958 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,920 So your body is trying to make up for that. 959 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,200 Well, Crystal is like a ghost condom. 960 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,120 Well. I'm. 961 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,320 Not. I'm not sure I'm doing the same 962 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,800 thing with ghosts that you are. But not yet. 963 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,240 It's not cheating if it's with the ghosts. 964 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,840 Brandon No. But no, OK, so there's a belief 965 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,080 system right, in spirituality with crystals that it is a 966 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,440 protective thing. That's what like, is it? 967 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,040 Do different crystals do different things? 968 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,920 Is it the bigger the crystal the better the protect is that? 969 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,520 What? Not necessarily. 970 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,680 Not necessarily. Bigger isn't always better when 971 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,240 it comes to crystals. It when it, you know, a smaller 972 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,560 one will do the same thing as a as a larger one. 973 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,120 It all depends on how paranoid you are, you know, and what you 974 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,520 think you need to be brutally honest. 975 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,880 A lot of people buy crystals just because they're pretty, you 976 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,720 know, So I got to have that too. I got to have the pretty stuff 977 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,080 just so they, if they come in, they want the pretty stuff. 978 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,000 For instance, I got stuff that's not so pretty. 979 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,280 Here's something right here. Here's a, here's a garnet 980 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,520 Medusa. You know, it's just, yeah, I'll 981 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,840 just, I mean, I got a little bit of everything. 982 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,320 This is cool. Yeah, right. 983 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,600 It's. Just cool stuff, yeah. 984 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,440 Now, are those dolls haunted behind? 985 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,040 You it depends on which ones you're talking about, but I do 986 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,160 have I do have this is Adam. If you don't know Adam, if 987 00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,440 you've watched any of my if you let's see my most viral video. 988 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,200 I think it's my most viral video was where I was going through 989 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,400 this portal box and running the SP11 through it. 990 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,800 And I was asking, I played a song, I played tiptoe through 991 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,200 the tulips for Adam. Was that in the attic? 992 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,000 No, that I did it in the attic, but this was down here, right 993 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,400 here, right where we're sitting right here. 994 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:30,120 That was where it happened here. And and he said, no, I'm sorry, 995 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,760 that wasn't here. Where was that? 996 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,440 Anyways, it was with that portal box. 997 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,000 Adam was there and he said fuck that, fuck this. 998 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,720 And I don't know if I can say that on on your. 999 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:40,560 Project. Yeah, he can yeah. 1000 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,000 You good? That's. 1001 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,840 Fine. Yeah, but he kept saying fuck 1002 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,640 this and fuck that and go and it went live, dude. 1003 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,480 So it's as a matter of fact, let me just put this out there 1004 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,240 because. And it was so good that 1005 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,320 apparently Sam and Colby got a hold of it and used it on their 1006 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,160 YouTube channel and of course, didn't even tag me in it, but 1007 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,600 whatever. You know, I'm still a little 1008 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,080 bitter about that, but whatever. I would be. 1009 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,320 Yeah, yeah, they get to find out how. 1010 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,320 Many video views that hasn't go get your residuals boy. 1011 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,160 You know what I'm? Saying, but whatever, you know, 1012 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,120 you can't, you can't argue with them. 1013 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,080 You know, it is they're just they're they're they're too big 1014 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,480 now. So but anyway, so yeah, so so I. 1015 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,920 Don't wear their wallets. This is not This was a gift. 1016 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,000 This Chucky was a gift from my kids for one of my birthdays. 1017 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,320 That's great. So yeah. 1018 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,160 You know what's funny, but what's funny is to I I the 1019 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,760 scariest story I heard Brandon tell was about his teenage 1020 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,680 teenage daughter, how to drive as as you know, I just did the 1021 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,960 same thing, John, and it was like, you know, it, it's I 1022 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,320 totally visceral. The biggest fear you could? 1023 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,360 Ever have the biggest fear? You know, Brandon, we've got a 1024 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,560 question in the chat that speaks to these items here. 1025 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,360 I'm just going to, I'm going to ask it and we can show it. 1026 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,880 But it says, my question for Brandon is when you get an 1027 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,000 attached item, how do you know for sure that when they say 1028 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,120 their name from the attachment, it's really who you're speaking 1029 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,920 to? Like your doll Adam, she 1030 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,800 probably watches you, right? But that's that's a. 1031 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,680 Great sense. Yes, absolutely. 1032 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,240 I know exactly what they're talking about. 1033 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,280 Thank you for whoever asked that. 1034 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,800 That was a great. Question, Karina. 1035 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,800 Karina, thank you. Karina, when you are and it goes 1036 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,400 to something that I've been talking about for a long time, 1037 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,160 someone gets a haunted doll. How do you prove that it's 1038 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,840 actually the doll that's talking? 1039 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,960 How do you prove that it's not just some random entity that 1040 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,720 happened to scroll and follow you through the door that day? 1041 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,920 You don't know. You don't know if it's actual 1042 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,600 doll. That's just because you have the 1043 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,960 camera on that doll doesn't mean that that's the one that's 1044 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,480 talking. You know what I mean? 1045 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,600 Because I believe that we all have attachments. 1046 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:54,040 I believe that at all times we have any number of attachments 1047 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,000 because I feel that the spirits that are around us do miss what 1048 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,640 they had when they were alive and they want to re, they want 1049 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,360 to feel that again, they want to experience that again. 1050 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,880 So. You're saying my warning all the 1051 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,560 time. Brandon all the time, dude. 1052 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,080 If you're doing something, you're cooking out on the grill. 1053 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400 They love that. They love that they're going to, 1054 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,400 they're going to be there watching you, hanging out with 1055 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,920 you. That doesn't mean that they're 1056 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,160 going to haunt you. That doesn't mean they're going 1057 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,640 to pull your hair when you're sleeping. 1058 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,280 That doesn't mean they're going to choke you. 1059 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,840 It just means they're watching you. 1060 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,120 Let it go. Who cares? 1061 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,600 They're going to leave when they get bored. 1062 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,800 They come and go. We all have attachments from 1063 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,880 time to time, whether we want to admit it or not. 1064 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,360 So back to the, to the, to the, to Adam being haunted. 1065 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:46,480 I, I, I firmly believe I am like 100% that, that there is 1066 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,440 something attached to the doll. I'm not saying there's something 1067 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,400 in the doll. And I think there's a big 1068 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,960 difference there. Big difference. 1069 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,520 I don't believe that there is anything that's trapped, quote 1070 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,640 UN quote, trapped in the Gulf. I think it's something that 1071 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080 liked it at one point, probably from Germany because that's 1072 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,760 where he came from and the something that that just 1073 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,760 travelled with him with. It well, you've done you've also 1074 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,040 done multiple sessions, right? It's not like one or two 1075 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,680 sessions. You've done hundreds sessions 1076 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,920 with hundreds and the word Adam keeps coming through the same. 1077 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,040 Voice keeps coming through, you know, you got the same voice, 1078 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,600 the same name, the same asshole attitude, because he's he's, I'm 1079 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,560 sorry, dude, but you're kind of a prick and and that's why we 1080 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,800 get along. That's why we get along, you 1081 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,280 know, because you know, I can be a prick too. 1082 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,440 And I'm, I'm the first to admit it when someone is 1083 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,840 disrespectful. I, I, I don't sugarcoat anything 1084 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,360 to him. So, so, yeah. 1085 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,240 So after repeated the same responses over years, I've had 1086 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,520 him for what, four to five years now, and it's. 1087 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,920 And when it's always the same, that means that there's 1088 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,560 something there. There's something there, yeah. 1089 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,640 For personality when there's. We've got about, we've got about 1090 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,720 5 minutes left. And in that 5 minutes, Brandon, 1091 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,880 you have to tell us the story. And Brandon, can I show the 1092 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,800 picture? Can I show the picture of your 1093 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,000 floating head? Are you OK? 1094 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,560 Oh, you have it. Oh, you have? 1095 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,160 It. Yeah, for sure. 1096 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,040 Yeah, you, you. Can wait, but don't do it until 1097 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,040 I kill till I cue you and then I'll I'll show it show it after 1098 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,680 I I tell the story and I'll. Try to tell the story, this 1099 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,920 great story, everybody, it's. It's a 15 minute story, but I'll 1100 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,280 make it short. No, no, yeah, let's, let's hear 1101 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,680 it. All right, so I'm doing a tour. 1102 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:36,200 I used to do tours for the public. 1103 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,240 And what that means? It's not just a haunted tour. 1104 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,560 This is a gravesite. This is this. 1105 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,360 No, you would come in and investigate with me. 1106 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,240 And this was, I was part of a team, but I was the one who ran 1107 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,120 it all the time. And I'd have maybe anywhere from 1108 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,600 8 to 24 people at a time. And this place was called 1109 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,440 Bootleggers Bar in Greenville, WI. 1110 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,960 If you know, you know, if you don't now, you do so it and it 1111 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560 was closed at the time. Believe it or not, this place is 1112 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,440 open right now, but I'll get to that. 1113 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,920 So we were doing it and, and for the public investigation and we 1114 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680 were down in the basement, down down in this basement, they had 1115 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,880 a crematorium. This place was a Funeral Home at 1116 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,240 one time and they cremated a lot of bodies down there. 1117 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,120 And right around the corner from that, there's this intersection, 1118 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,880 I call it at the bottom of the stairs where we all sat. 1119 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,240 And we would do spirit box sessions and we were doing an 1120 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:38,440 SP7 or SP11 spirit box session. Use the SP11 in case anybody 1121 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,720 cares, anybody wants to know what I'm talking about when I 1122 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,880 say SP11, It's this OK, You can get them on Amazon for like 180 1123 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,240 bucks. Anyway, we're doing a session at 1124 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,440 the bottom of the stairs. I'm sitting there. 1125 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,440 I'm talking shit because it's kind of slow. 1126 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,800 I'm, you know, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to entertain 1127 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,960 everybody that's there because they paid to be there. 1128 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,560 So I'm talking and I'm trying to get a rise out of them, you 1129 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,040 know, or whatever. And then all of a sudden, 2 1130 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:13,960 girls across from me stand up frantic, pointing at me, and 1131 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,360 they're saying Brad, Brad behind you, behind you, look behind 1132 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,680 you. I turned my head. 1133 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,080 I didn't even get halfway. And I saw something there. 1134 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,040 And I, I kind of did one of these and I turned around. 1135 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,640 There was a floating head above me. 1136 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,960 Nobody, no, nothing ahead. Now let me explain this to you. 1137 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,440 When I saw it, it's slightly different than the picture, but 1138 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,840 it's similar. But when I saw it, it looked, it 1139 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,360 didn't look like the traditional transparent ghostly figure, 1140 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,560 ghostly head. It was like dripping, like it 1141 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:56,160 was kind of gross looking. So I by the time I looked back, 1142 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,680 some of the people that were near the stairs had already got 1143 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,400 out of their chairs and we're running, they're running up the 1144 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,320 stairs. And I grabbed the last couple 1145 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,880 people that were there and I escorted them up the stairs 1146 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,120 fairly quickly. You know, because I didn't want 1147 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,240 to address this, the head with everybody there. 1148 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,000 I wanted to get everybody out before I went down and address 1149 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,280 that. Not that I knew exactly what I 1150 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,840 was going to do anyway. But we went outside, sat there 1151 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,520 for a little while until people calm down. 1152 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160 Some people left, of course, understandably, yes. 1153 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,480 We now we went back in after about an hour. 1154 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,680 We went upstairs instead. So opposite of main floor. 1155 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,080 We were in the basement when that happened. 1156 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,640 We went upstairs. So two, there was a floor in 1157 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,280 between us. We're up there and one girl, 1158 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,440 we're doing another, we're doing, I don't know, we're doing 1159 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,760 something. And the girl says, oh, I got to 1160 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,320 check what time it is because I make everybody turn their phones 1161 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,520 off OK during this. So she's like, is it OK if I 1162 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,560 check my time? I'm like, yeah. 1163 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,600 So she turns her phone on and she looks at it, drops her phone 1164 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400 and screams, I'm like, what the hell is going on? 1165 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,680 Everybody's looking like, what the fuck? 1166 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,160 And she's like, Oh my God, Oh my God. 1167 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,480 And she it was one of the two girls that stood up and warned 1168 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,840 me, came over, ran over and showed this image on her phone. 1169 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,360 Of this thing thank you and she says yes she says this is what 1170 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,600 we saw over your shoulder look so go ahead and post it up. 1171 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,040 This is the picture that she showed me give. 1172 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,880 Me one second. Let me get this. 1173 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,280 I bet you, I bet you, those people got their money's worth. 1174 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,880 Hell yeah they did. Hell yeah they did. 1175 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,680 All right. So and, and so this is this is 1176 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,840 what you're seeing, OK. This is it right now. 1177 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,960 Can you see my cursor on here? I know it's small. 1178 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,920 If you're like this. Are these eyes here? 1179 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,160 Is this the hand right? Here yes, yes dude so. 1180 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,080 Fuck this. So what you're seeing is you're 1181 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,240 seeing. Look at this. 1182 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,240 Standing here like this, with this hand out like this, like ta 1183 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,160 da, Yeah. Like. 1184 01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:59,720 This you know, he's standing there. 1185 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,000 You can see his head, his shoulder, his shoulder right 1186 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,000 here and his arm and his hand is kind of like, how do I put it 1187 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,400 here so that you can see me? His hand is like. 1188 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,280 This I can see it. Dude, you can see the thumb and. 1189 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,080 Individual fingers and and what's wild about this, this 1190 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,560 whole thing too, and I stress this in my live streams all the 1191 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:27,680 time, the bane of the paranormal is audio pareidolia and visual 1192 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,800 pareidolia. They're just two insane things. 1193 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,920 And one way you can tell that this is not visual is the 1194 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:42,520 detail, The hand, the shoulder, the everything about it is just, 1195 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,560 there's just so much detail to it you can that you know. 1196 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,240 The ear, I can't even see the ear, The ear, the nose. 1197 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,400 That it's different, right? So this is what that that head 1198 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,560 is similar, Very similar picture. 1199 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,120 A little bit drippier, but that's what I saw on over my 1200 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,360 shoulder. Now tell me her phone was off. 1201 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,480 OK, get this. The picture was time stamped 1202 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,920 that it was taken at 11 O 4 when her phone was off and we were 1203 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,840 downstairs in the basement right before we came up. 1204 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,760 Wow, that's wild. That's wild. 1205 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,160 I mean, that's cool. I mean, it's just like. 1206 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,600 That's. Unexplained is wild. 1207 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,760 That's right. I mean, that's like you get 1208 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,120 something really great. Thank you for Brandon. 1209 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,080 Thank you for letting us share that. 1210 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,560 I mean, it's really yeah, it's cool, man. 1211 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,160 I mean, that's cool. That's the kind of stuff that 1212 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,960 we're all like. That's the kind of thing I I 1213 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,680 mean, look, I like to think like that's we're all trying to 1214 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,920 figure out what the hell that. Is I have been to that place 1215 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,560 several times after. Now is there is it? 1216 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,720 Brandon, what do you think that is? 1217 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,880 What do you think that? Is well, originally, and now 1218 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,600 that I've had years and years to think about it, originally I 1219 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,840 thought it was a demon originally first, first thought 1220 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,760 in my mind, but I think at the time, and I've grown since then, 1221 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:11,160 you know, it's been 10 years. I believe that it wasn't 1222 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,840 something that was intentionally trying to scare us. 1223 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,120 It was something that was just happened to be gross looking. 1224 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,800 But I don't think that's their fault. 1225 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,160 I think something happened to them. 1226 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,240 The ugly people in life are not necessarily scary disfigured. 1227 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,720 Something disfigured this poor soul. 1228 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,560 And it was looking to either possibly get help, possibly get 1229 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,320 some attention, possibly just to tell its story, saying, hey, 1230 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,200 something happened to me. I want you to know that I'm 1231 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,640 still around. Can you imagine, you know, dying 1232 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,240 and then not going to heaven or whatever you believe, and you're 1233 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,280 stuck on earth and nobody can see you, nobody can talk to you, 1234 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,200 nobody can hear you, And then all of a sudden years go by and 1235 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,120 there's this one guy who can hear you. 1236 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,760 Can you imagine how overwhelming that must be to them? 1237 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,560 Exciting and, and that's the other thing too. 1238 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,280 What about you know it? What if you know that spirit is 1239 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,760 so excited and it manifested from that excitement and it just 1240 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,080 ended up looking like that? You know what I mean? 1241 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,320 Manifestations are interesting. So, yeah, and that's where and 1242 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,720 that's where I think experience comes into play as far as 1243 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,920 understanding. So, so and then you've got so, 1244 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,480 so you've got what we just talked about and then you've got 1245 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,520 people that think they got demons in their house because 1246 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,960 they're light flickers. OK, So there's a whole 1247 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,440 different. Spectrum of I had I unblocked 1248 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,800 it, but for the longest time I had the D word blocked in my 1249 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,200 live stream because it's just it's just ridiculous with the 1250 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,480 amount of everything is a demon. No, there's There's no such 1251 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,040 thing as angry humans let. Alone. 1252 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,520 Angry spirits. That's right. 1253 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,720 They're just assholes happy that's right. 1254 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,440 They were. They were an asshole in life. 1255 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,920 They're an asshole in afterlife. Exactly. 1256 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,320 I just started this whole process and I I told John the 1257 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,880 other day I got my first like Jesus fan trying to convert me 1258 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,000 to stay away from demons on my tweet. 1259 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,920 I was like John, I did. I've achieved, I've arrived, I 1260 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,240 got my first. You know, don't fall into the 1261 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,920 thing of demon. Deal with them a lot. 1262 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,680 Unfortunately, it's. It's a damn shame you guys are. 1263 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,120 Your podcast is so short I think. 1264 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,080 I think you should go longer. We got we got a few. 1265 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,120 Well, listen, Brandon, look, we got I got a John. 1266 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,240 I got a couple minutes actually, if you wanna if you wanna if. 1267 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,320 You we could go on for another 5 minutes. 1268 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,720 I have another 5 minutes and then I gotta unfortunately go. 1269 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,080 I don't have, you know, I got one more thing that I'll close 1270 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,560 out with, but I know you had some questions. 1271 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,400 Brandon, what did you you said you wanted to talk. 1272 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,240 Go go for it, dude. This has been really fun, by the 1273 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:48,920 way. I've had a good. 1274 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,240 Time with you here. This is really great. 1275 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,200 I think so. I love, I love talking in depth, 1276 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,400 you know, you know, I, I, I was really afraid that I was going 1277 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,240 to come in and you guys are just going to be like, So what places 1278 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,920 have you been to? What you know? 1279 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,360 No, no, no. Utter bullshit. 1280 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,160 No dude, I'm not listening. I'm not interested in the. 1281 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,760 I'm not interested in the Wikipedia. 1282 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,080 Version right, Right. Right. 1283 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,880 I want to hear your perspective on it. 1284 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,200 You know what I mean? Like what I want to. 1285 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,200 I'm trying to understand and what this podcast is hopefully 1286 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,280 doing by talking to a variety of different people is what our 1287 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,600 spirits and what they look at right? 1288 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,240 And we do these lives because I want to get more of the the this 1289 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,040 crowd, this influencer crowd from a from a different 1290 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,000 perspective for the pre recorded ones. 1291 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,880 And if we can do it, it feels very fun and to keep it keep it 1292 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:33,680 high and tight. But go ahead. 1293 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,080 You you take take take the show here. 1294 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,760 What? Do you real, real quick? 1295 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,000 I just wanted to say that the reason that that I think that I 1296 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,040 got so I, I was fortunate. I got on TikTok pretty close to 1297 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,360 right away before all of this. Now there's thousands and 1298 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,080 thousands of paranormal people on there. 1299 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,880 I got on there were six so many. There were six, you know, 1300 01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:01,160 Anyway, but what sets me and what I like to claim as as a 1301 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,600 difference between me and everybody else is the one thing 1302 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,200 I like to do is when I certainly when I believe in something, I 1303 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,400 try to go the extra mile to explain it to people as to why I 1304 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,840 think that way. I'm I'm not just pushing what I 1305 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,720 say and you just believe me because I said it. 1306 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,720 No, I'm going to explain to you why I think that way and maybe 1307 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,480 sit shed some light on something like the whole nothing annoys me 1308 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,120 more than you see a paranormal investigator telling the spirit 1309 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,480 to go to the light. I can't stand that. 1310 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,760 Don't even, I mean it don't even get me started. 1311 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,840 Because if the if the light was there, they would see it. 1312 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,480 They don't. Need your dude. 1313 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,040 They don't need you to tell. Them a bright light, they're 1314 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,280 going to notice, they're going to notice it, they're going to 1315 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,680 check it out. I take it a step further with 1316 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,400 them. I take it a step further. 1317 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,480 I straight up say, hey, what if that light is some sort of 1318 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,800 interdimensional entity that feeds off our human energy? 1319 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,520 Like you're going to send, you're going to send little 1320 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,880 Sally Joe there, right? You know, like, are you kidding 1321 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:03,560 me? You know. 1322 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,680 And that's, and that might be where my religious belief comes 1323 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,760 in to believe that that's probably not the case. 1324 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,520 But if it was, wow, you know what I mean? 1325 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,080 But yeah, so the whole there, I could talk for an hour about my 1326 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,560 my ICS of what people do during a. 1327 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,800 Parent dude, we can make a whole we could talk for. 1328 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,080 They're very similar. We have no negative energy. 1329 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,880 Go fuck, yo. Yeah, that's the best. 1330 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,399 Yeah, whatever. But you know, I get why they're 1331 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,080 doing it. I get it being and I'm I'm 1332 01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:38,560 Catholic, but I get it. But you're just. 1333 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,520 Yeah, we were both. We were both raised Catholic as 1334 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,800 well, John. Yeah, we're both raised 1335 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,760 Catholic. We're probably more atheist now, 1336 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,080 but you're you're you're. Drawing attention unnecessarily 1337 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,840 to yourself instead of the opposite. 1338 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,359 And you know what I mean. You're not helping yourself out 1339 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,359 when you put that comment in. No 100. 1340 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,680 Percent So anyways, that being said now back to because because 1341 01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,200 John, God damn it, I don't know what happened, but we used to be 1342 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,720 tight man. I don't know what happened. 1343 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,600 I used to come to your lives all the time. 1344 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,240 You must have went through something and unfollowed. 1345 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,160 Everybody. Everybody, dude. 1346 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,640 And you want to know like what? The hell, what did I do? 1347 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,600 You know y'all. Listen, it was nothing that 1348 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,359 anybody did. The problem is is that you know 1349 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:23,960 these fake accounts that pop up and they claim to do tarot 1350 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,359 readings. They claim to do, you know, 1351 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,160 contact your loved ones. Dude, you can if you go on 1352 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,840 TikTok right now, search Santa paranormal and click users. 1353 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,200 You will see 50 of them. So one of the big things I did 1354 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,760 is I unfollowed everybody. So I can just tell my people, 1355 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,240 hey, listen, this before I had a million followers too. 1356 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,240 I was like, hey guys, I follow no one and I will never message 1357 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,560 you. Do not fall for the scams. 1358 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,240 They're still doing it to this day, you know, but it's now I'm 1359 01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,720 following people because it's it didn't stop. 1360 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,960 It's been 2 years of it and it's just relentless. 1361 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,560 Yeah, yeah, anybody. Did I still like everybody, you 1362 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:07,240 know what I mean? Because. 1363 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,600 I I see you poke your head into lives every once in a while. 1364 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,040 I'm like, I always wonder every time. 1365 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,120 I'm like, John, what the hell did I ever do to piss you? 1366 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,680 Off No, you did not know you're good yo you're. 1367 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,960 Good dude. Dude, we started this podcast 1368 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,280 together. It took him a few months to 1369 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,880 finally follow it. I'm like, dude, can you please 1370 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,120 follow it? We're this is yours. 1371 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,800 He's not the same. It's like it's not. 1372 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,920 It's not a. Personal and and and he's. 1373 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,120 Still getting people. And Bran, just so you know, I 1374 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,200 mean, look, he's still getting people that come in there and 1375 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,440 they look for the littlest thing. 1376 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,480 We're not on TikTok right now for a reason with this live, 1377 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,240 because the things we talk about someone will use against him to 1378 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,960 knock him off and get me banned, which just just still happens. 1379 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,080 He get he just got banned a couple weeks ago on TikTok for 1380 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,160 something of the spirit, the spirit that always like calls 1381 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,520 people assholes, called me, called me an asshole. 1382 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,640 Like it's in this one spot has this one personality and it said 1383 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,400 it and someone said they were bullied. 1384 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,160 Not a joke. They complain, knocks it. 1385 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:07,000 Off and and and I know I I still remember like just to prove that 1386 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,200 I remember the whole meow thing. OK, hell yeah, we still got the 1387 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,560 meow. Thing go, I always thought. 1388 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,920 And I'm a dog person. Well, I'm a dog person too. 1389 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:21,520 I got five of them. Yeah, but but I had no idea it 1390 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,800 was actually related to cats. If it is, it is I, I, I totally 1391 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,960 thought it was just women being frisky in your life. 1392 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,320 I totally did not. Right up until like platter me, 1393 01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:39,160 Brandon, you platter me. I thought that's what it was 1394 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,800 because. All your people would come. 1395 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,960 Into my life and they would say, hey, meow Brandon, I'm like, OK, 1396 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:51,320 you're from Santa, you know, whatever and and you know, and 1397 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,960 and I'm like, I always thought they were just being frisky with 1398 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,160 that's when. I write Brandon. 1399 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,240 Brandon thought it was about pussy and it's actually. 1400 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:02,840 That's funny though. I didn't. 1401 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,360 Say that good looking of a guy. It's about real. 1402 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,880 It's really about cats. It's really about. 1403 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,720 Why? So where it came from, Just real 1404 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,640 quick, where it came from is every now and then at a ghost 1405 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,720 tube, you get the original ghost tube, not box. 1406 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,080 You get, you know, it repeats the same shit over and over and 1407 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,280 over. And one phrase that's always 1408 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:28,400 said is make a noise, you know, So I would say welcome to 1409 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,040 Chili's. You know, every time it said it, 1410 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,680 you know, and it started off as a joke just so people would kind 1411 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,360 of ignore the same shit that's coming out all the time. 1412 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,680 Because again, going back to these spirit boxes, the digital 1413 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,880 spirit boxes, the app, they have to be taken with a grain of 1414 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,720 salt. I say it all the damn time. 1415 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,400 Can't take every little sound, syllable and word for something 1416 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,280 because dude, it's, it's insane. A spirit will say, you know, I 1417 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,320 don't know what, what's something I'm trapped here. 1418 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,360 And then all of a sudden, you know, people are coming up with 1419 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,320 scenarios of why the spirit's trapped. 1420 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,400 And it's like, you know, for all we know, a spirit you know, got, 1421 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,760 it's got its foot caught on a root, you know, like, you know 1422 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,240 what I'm saying? Like it'll be anything so. 1423 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,480 But that's where that comes from the whole MIAFO. 1424 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,920 So that's funny, man, That's great. 1425 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,800 How I would think that though, right? 1426 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,040 Of course, logical thinking. You know of? 1427 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,160 Course it's cool that way. You know, that's funny. 1428 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,320 Trying to give you credit, man. You should have just sucked that 1429 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,680 up and been smart. He should have. 1430 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,760 He should. Have and dude, and you know, 1431 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,680 Brandon, another thing I want to touch on what you said real 1432 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:44,520 quick, dude, isn't it insane how many people are now just out 1433 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:49,360 there, you know, on not just TikTok, YouTube, everything. 1434 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,920 It's insane. It's like, you know, I remember 1435 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,000 think about it when when I came on to the scene, you know, doing 1436 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,000 this for social media wise. I I can remember you OK? 1437 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:07,560 I can remember Howie. RIP the very controversial 1438 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:13,160 perinosis, right? They actually go up quite a bit 1439 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,400 later, but yeah, they were they were earlier than all the big 1440 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,800 mass that came in. Yeah, yeah. 1441 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,880 Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely, definitely. 1442 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,200 And now all of a sudden it's just like everybody is just. 1443 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,120 That's like my big regret with cemeteries, dude. 1444 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,720 Like, and I feel partially responsible. 1445 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,480 When I started doing those cemetery walks, I felt like like 1446 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,240 like Gizmo, like someone threw water on me and I fucking 1447 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,840 multiplied, you know, like insane dude. 1448 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,840 And I mean, some of them were good, but others it's just like. 1449 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,920 Dude, did you see total totally off point, but we had Chris, you 1450 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,880 know, did you see Kristen Etzel's video from a couple days 1451 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,040 ago? Yeah, I like Dude I. 1452 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,080 Know Chris, but I didn't see it. He puts this video we had Chris 1453 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,680 on. It's a dude. 1454 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,080 It, it really looks like something's walking. 1455 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,680 It's not like a smoke or a thing. 1456 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,480 It looks walking. Oh no, that came. 1457 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,760 That went right by him. I think I saw that on his 1458 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,640 TikTok. I think I saw that on his tik. 1459 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,720 T.O.K yeah, If it were me, I would have been like shooting 1460 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,000 and running. Because I know. 1461 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,080 He's because it was a really good. 1462 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,160 But I don't. Know he's a lot. 1463 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,720 Of I'm assuming Chris has been doing it for a while. 1464 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,080 I I actually, I don't know him really well, but I know him and 1465 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,800 I like him. It's cool dude, but. 1466 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,960 It goes to show like how numb we become to, to activity after a 1467 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,680 while. You know, when something big 1468 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,320 happens, sometimes it's not big to us anymore. 1469 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,040 Now we you keep looking for bigger and more and better and 1470 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:50,840 try to get so when a R.E.M. Pod goes off or or or or, you 1471 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,840 know, heaven forbid. Oh God damn cat ball. 1472 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:58,240 God, cat balls that that excites a lot of people, not me. 1473 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,800 It does nothing for me, you know, but dude, you breathe on 1474 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,920 those cat balls the right way and they're going off, you know 1475 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,680 and that and they're so dude, I stopped using cat balls after I 1476 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,880 bought like a bulk of 100 and none of them worked. 1477 01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,600 They all came defective and I'm like, this is not I'm done with 1478 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,560 these, you know, like it's. Cat. 1479 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,160 Balls are one of those things that are. 1480 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,400 What's the best word for it? Pseudo evidence, if you will. 1481 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,960 I mean, is that the best way to say it? 1482 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,880 It's like, yeah, here's the. Thing look the thing I value the 1483 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,520 most is someone who's new to all this honestly is and John I've 1484 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,680 said this to you 100 times is personality when we're when he's 1485 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,080 getting words and phrases that that are not there's not only a 1486 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,400 clear call and response of several times with specific 1487 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,400 information things that are not generic right but there's a 1488 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,800 personality to it yeah there's a tone of there's the words used 1489 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:57,000 are that I find really wild like that's what I watch for for what 1490 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,600 he does but look now I do have to call it a day Brandon this 1491 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,360 was a lot of fun I hope you had fun I did you know yo. 1492 01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,080 Thank you. Yo, Brandon, thank you for doing 1493 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:07,960 this, man. I appreciate. 1494 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,640 It so many more we're just getting started here we have 1495 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,920 there's so many other things I need this I have a lot of 1496 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,600 questions I need to get to so which is only good because we 1497 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,720 want to keep the people wanting more and we want to have you 1498 01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:22,200 back so that's the reason for it there you go so I I really thank 1499 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,440 you I really thank you for your time taking the. 1500 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,920 Time to do it, hopefully maybe some of your people will follow 1501 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,840 me over on Tic Tac and you'll get to see more. 1502 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:34,440 Yeah, guys, follow Brandon. He has an auction every Friday. 1503 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,880 Every Friday. And he's going to start that on 1504 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:42,280 real Ghost Hunter One Point O and Brandon is a Co host of a 1505 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,080 podcast of his own with another paranormal investigator, Ray 1506 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,840 Wright of Nebraska paranormal. It's called paranormal 1507 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,600 watchtower. That's paranormal watchtower on 1508 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,280 YouTube. It's a great title, by the way, 1509 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,320 and it's you know, they over they oversee a lot of various 1510 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,520 people and evidence and they talk about it, you know, from. 1511 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,840 We talked about every sort of. Experience, you know, 1512 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,440 traditional stuff, but that's another he's a great guy. 1513 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,000 We really we're really glad a really great paranormal 1514 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,040 influencer with with a lot of experience and a lot of fun and 1515 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,840 a lot of things to talk about. Brandon, thank you so much. 1516 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:14,920 We really appreciate being. Here. 1517 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,840 Thanks guys. Thank you for doing this. 1518 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:18,640 Awesome dude. Thank you. 1519 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,040 Thank you. Bye. 1520 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,960 Thanks, Brandon. See you all. 1521 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:28,600 Right, see you. All right, wrap it up. 1522 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,120 Now I got to go too. Yep, I got AI got a call. 1523 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,120 Guys, this is a good one. He's fun. 1524 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,160 It was fun, right? A lot of fun dude. 1525 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,080 He's got that. That head photo was creepy as 1526 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,240 hell too. Dude, it's such a good story 1527 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,400 too. I remember, I remember him 1528 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,560 telling me that, that years ago. He must have told me that like 1529 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,600 2-2, three years ago, that story. 1530 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,280 And I was just like, oh, that's, you know, it's unique. 1531 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,880 It's awesome. It's yeah, it stuck with me like 1532 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,720 a floating head. Wait, you know. 1533 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,640 Yeah, it's, it's nuts. Everybody, thank you so much 1534 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:02,880 for. Thank you guys. 1535 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,240 For being here, we appreciate it. 1536 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:08,560 This has. Been. 1537 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:09,240 Thank you. Thank you. 1538 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,160 Why my music's not playing? Come on, There we go. 1539 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,320 There's a little theme. There's a little. 1540 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,280 Theme, theme. There's a little podcast theme 1541 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,680 with what was there, now it's gone out there, now it's back. 1542 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,120 Things are a little slow, everything's on a little bit of 1543 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,520 a delay, but it's fine. Ladies and gentlemen, mostly 1544 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,920 ladies, thank you so much for being. 1545 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,080 Thank you very. Much it's all your questions. 1546 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,560 Well, we were we were in it, man. 1547 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,000 We were in it with Brandon. We couldn't get to. 1548 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,080 All the options, a lot going on. No, looking at the chat now, a 1549 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,320 lot of people reminding us how married they are is if they 1550 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,480 don't fantasize about us regularly. 1551 01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:46,440 You liars right? You know you love us. 1552 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,120 Or do you fantasize the wedding parents? 1553 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,640 They might fantasize about ferrets. 1554 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,360 That's probably true. You know. 1555 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,120 And Brandon just jumped into the chat and there he is on YouTube. 1556 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,840 Brandon Kramer, everyone, the real ghost hunter one really fun 1557 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,920 time, everybody. Thank you so much, John. 1558 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,160 I'll talk to you later. I'll talk, Gary, talk to you 1559 01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,960 soon. Yeah, don't forget to like, 1560 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,080 follow and subscribe. Splendored spirits follow. 1561 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:13,200 Oh, wait.