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What's that? Oh, hey, folks.
Welcome to Splendid spirits. Oh, hey, hey.
What's going on, everybody? What's going on, everyone?
Hope everyone could hear me. All right, I'm on.
I'm on the road. I'm on the road, guys.
I hear you're just fine. But you know, they always
complain about how they can hear me or not.
But let's see who comes in. Let's give them a moment.
Oh. Settling in, they're like, wait
a minute, we're live. There's Robin.
Always can count on Robin to be one of the first in.
I love it. I picture her waiting by her
phone or computer to be like. Wait for the live.
Are the boys on? Are those Are those handsome
boys on Talk About Ghosts? Ghosts see stuff.
And she because I am ready. I got nothing to do and I'm
ready to listen to them complain about life and ghosts and.
Ghost Life. Ghost life.
Welcome, Robin. We love that you're here.
All right, We got a bunch of people jumping in.
Cool. I hope everyone can hear me OK.
I hope the connection's OK because I'm on using some hotel
Wi-Fi. Thank you for being here.
It's always 5050. It's always 5050.
You never know that's. How busy it is there, right?
Good old Richmond, VA. It's my first time in Richmond,
so we'll see. We'll judge them by their Wi-Fi
in their hotel. I think there's some interesting
haunts in Richmond. There are, dude, I tried to get
into a couple places and they wouldn't let me shoot there.
I thought I would try to get into.
Yeah, there's a really good cemetery here with a few
presidents even, And they just wouldn't let me go.
They wouldn't let me film there. And I was like, you know.
They are. The whole entire nation is very,
very iffy about places where presidents are buried and where
the original founding fathers are buried.
No, I bet. OK.
We have one. We have one here.
There's one right And right. What's his name?
Oh, how did I forget his name? One of the founding fathers that
signed, you know, signed the Declaration of Independence is
oh Jay John Jay. Oh, John Jay is buried in in
Rye. Who gives a shit about John Jay?
It's one of the one of the founding fathers, dude, they
have his I shit you not. Now get this.
Tell me this isn't crazy. Now listen, they have this
entire cemetery fenced off like it looks, it looks horrible.
It looks like you know something.
You, you know, it's just it's fenced off and there is a guard
at the entrance and the guards are volunteers.
OK? So sometimes they're not there.
Sometimes they are there, right. Meanwhile, if you go past this
chain link fence and you keep going all the way down, you hit
an Indian, a Native American burial ground.
OK, that's currently an archaeological site.
There's it's still, it's on and off every year.
What they're doing there, right? Completely unprotected.
So here's a founding father that
nobody nobody knows who John Jay is.
Everyone in the chat is probably learning.
Oh. You know, some 6th, some 6th
graders, social studies might know who it is.
But my remembrance, come on, let's be real.
You think of the depolation, independence.
You think of one man and you think of that one man just
because of that expression, put your John Hancock.
Yeah, right here, Right. Yeah, so instead I tried to get
in there. I tried one time when I when I
first started doing all this, I did get in there.
I literally used my brute strength and I literally turned
up the fence, you know, and I slipped underneath.
That's funny. You know what I mean?
And then somebody that's, you know, has to do with the town
officials and whatnot was like, John, do me a favor, don't ever
do that again. And I'm like, not a problem
coming from you. Not a problem.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Splintered Spirits, the podcast.
I'm your host Gary with John Sander from Standard Paranormal.
This is our podcast where we're trying to find the answer to
what our spirits and we are. This is our live, our Thursday
live. We don't have a guest today
because I'm traveling too risky, but we've had a great
anniversary month of February with a lot of great episodes
from Chip Coffee to Patti Negri and all of these things are
great. We just dropped our first March
episode with our skeptic James Underwood.
If you guys saw that which is a really a fun one.
Now we're back to our every other Tuesday drop.
We're back to every other Tuesday for a while.
Yeah, for sure, yes, back to that.
We got some good live guests coming up.
We got more lives. We've got a lot of good episodes
coming up, dude. We got so many in the can.
We. Don't and we'll talk about that
in a second. We got the Shanley Hotel
episode. We've got well, that and that
our shit look, our version of the Shanley Hotel episode, like
you want to see the haunts and we'll show you some from John's
experience there. We'll drop them in.
But this is like a conversation with the owner and the, and the
groundskeeper and you know, really the history of the place
in a fun way as only we know how to do it.
And because that's what we like to get into, right?
Still answering that question, what our spirits and how it
plays out. And then we've got we've got an
interview with Gary Galka coming up.
Gary invented the R.E.M. pod. He invented the SP7HE is the you
know, if you call, if you're, if you're watching us right now and
you call yourself a ghost hunter, you're using his stuff.
And he and it's a really wonderful story.
That was a that was a pretty long interview too.
He's a good dude. I don't know where it.
Is but we got a lot of good ones coming up.
We got Benjamin Radford another skeptic and we're going to talk
a little bit more about skeptics here in a SEC and then of course
guys, we have a really fun one where we get a little bit into
the intimacy and spirits and that sexual energy with a very
popular adult film star. So if you're prude.
Might not be tuned. Might not might want to tune
out, but. Or you might want to tune in and
learn. I learned something, learn a
little something. Learn a little something I.
You know, but because, yeah, we've talked about John, how
many ghosts have hit on you, how much that's like sort of sexual
energy is out there and it's like.
Gary, I can't even I I can't even give you a number.
I can't give you an so it's insane.
It's insane. It's one, it's one of the things
I'm I'm known for. It's sad that I'm known for a
couple of things. One, spirits hitting on me and
two, something I don't like to say even in the same vein, but
children coming through constantly.
So I deal with those two things that I dealt with those two
things recently at the Shanley. We probably shouldn't talk about
those two things together in the same sense.
That's that's the problem. That's the.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
You know. But.
It's not in this climate, not in this, not in this Epstein
climate. Oh, no, no, no, wait, what's
Epstein again? I'll just play.
I'll. Just play it.
You can't be, you can't be, you can't be Epstein if it's a
ghost. Oh man, yeah, right.
Oh, it's terrible, bad joke, horrible, horrible stuff.
But look, we did have a great conversation with James
Underwood. If you haven't seen that episode
and you don't know who James Underwood is, James Underwood is
the underdown. Sorry, James Underdown is the
director of the Center for Inquiry.
W Center for Inquiry is basically a like a professional
skeptic institute. They are, they question anything
supernatural and paranormal and investigate it and write about
it. And James and the Center for
Inquiry W specifically has an ongoing prize for $500,000.
If you can prove that you have supernatural abilities and that
you can go in, you can. Anybody can sign up and then
they will, they vet the the people who request it and then
they'll have you come in and prove yourself and if you prove
to them that you've got abilities, they'll cut you a
check for $500,000. Now they've never had any
anybody cut. According to them, no one has
proven they've had abilities. We asked them in the episode
what was the funniest 1 and it was a guy who said he could
teleport and so they set up with room with tape and they said OK,
just come over on this side of the tape and he goes.
The guy was like, I just did, but you didn't know, so Gary
let. Me.
Let me ask you A. Question.
Yeah. Do you think, do you think that
if somebody actually came in with supernatural abilities and
showed them that they would actually, you know, be like, OK,
this is real? Or do you think, or do you think
like, like a lot of skeptics out there, you know, you can put it
in front of their face and they'll be like, they'll come up
with an excuse, like what do you think?
Yeah, You know, yeah, I, I, yeah.
This is a question that we asked him.
And this is a question I asked Ben.
And you'll see that interview too.
Where, what is it? If you're going to be a skeptic
and you're going to say this doesn't exist, but you're you're
out there investigating what is the, what is it that you need?
Yes, to do it. And in my personal belief, even
after and and and let me say this about both of these guys,
James Underdown and Benjamin Radford, exceptional people.
Oh yeah, I I, I love the The Underdown.
Studied episode, you know they have James underdown for as much
evidence that John has that spirits exist.
James has evidence in his experience that they that these
things don't exist from his experience, right?
We still had a a great time talking to.
Him. He's.
Respectful he's you know, he's respectful, he's open minded and
he's fun, right? There's that Ben is actually
gone out on paranormal investigations.
He's more you know, you know, he he really like is out there
looking for it and hasn't and in his mind has not seen it or or
believes it. So this is a long way to answer
your question, but it's like I asked Ben this specifically,
what is it going to take? And he was like, you know, and
his, his, his answer was, you know, he's out there and the
grandfather clock lifts off the ground and flies and floats
around the room in front of him like an extreme thing.
And it's like, so 1 I believe the only thing that'll convince
somebody like that is that hard of a skeptic is they have to see
it to believe it. And it has to be something so
UN, you know, cinematically insane.
Yeah, so we. It's not, it's not going to be a
like a, you know, it's not going to be some tapping on the thing
and it's, it's and it's just, you know, we, we've talked about
this too before, right In medical science.
They'll do a study, you know, and they've tested it with 10th,
you know, a triple blind test on 5000 people with placebos and
this and that and the blood results and they get this and
they show everybody, you know, and then they, they get the
results and they say and they follow and they do six months
later and they do the thing. And then they'll send that
report out saying this is this is what this drug does or
whatever it is. And this is what we've tested.
And every scientist around the world will read the data, see it
and pretty much go, well, this is the way they just believe it
because their peers have done this research tests in a in a
fashion that is, you know, set this business that we're doing
has none of that. And there I and I don't believe
that there is anything that will get a skeptic to believe in this
other than seeing it because. And we asked James, you know, we
asked James specifically like, dude, is there any joy left?
What would you do if you saw it? And, you know, and it's like,
and you know, he laughed and, you know, he's like, he's not
going to hold his breath. He just, you know, he probably
thinks we're kooks and that's fine.
I mean, we still had a lot of fun.
I'd still love to hang out with him, but it's still, you know,
it is. And what's what's wild too it it
when you guys watch the episode, if you haven't watched it yet,
everything James is saying, I'm agreed with.
There is not one thing he said that I disagreed with.
I I mean I don't know if he said that the that the apps were
bullshit. I'm not sure if those exact
words came out of his mouth even though.
He, he was very kind. He didn't, he never looked at
you and said you're nuts. You know, he's like he, he let
us, he let us talk about, he let you talk about your experiences
and he just let you talk. He didn't, you know, he didn't
contradict. He just sort of was like, you
know. Everything that he said I agreed
with and it's things that I applied to the way I document
spirits. So I loved the episode.
I thought it was great. It's like, and I always say
this, you know, when when I'm out there and I document, there
is a skeptic sign to me. And I've learned over time to be
a little less skeptic because it has bit me in the ass plenty of
times when it comes to documentation and evidence, even
though it's still there. I'm the one that looks like a
fool going no, let's go the spirit, you know, but and then
all of a sudden, you know, it's like don't crack.
No, I that that was the Spirit, you know.
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And here's what's great. John, I don't know if you saw, I
think I sent it to you. We had such good hate on that
episode. Somebody made a video and I'm I
forget their name and I'm not going to promote any people can
find it on your own and listen, don't go to that creator and
start harassing the creator. No harassing of other creators.
I already harassed her enough on DMS about it.
It's you know, I don't need you guys to speak fight my battles
for me. I I could do it myself.
But it was bad. Though it was bad, it was bad.
If you don't believe in ghosts, that's cool.
I get it. And you want to be a skipper,
that's fine. But what this person did was so
hack and hackneyed that it was just like, it was just bad
research. She starts the video off like,
giving us a hard time because we call the guy James instead of
Jim because like, yeah, she she apparently knows him well.
And I'm like, well, I don't know.
Well, he introduced himself as James, though.
I called him James, like, but all but all of a sudden.
So we're already idiots, right, Because of this.
And then it goes on and on, just about like all the, all the bits
and pieces that she picks on us for are like, they don't make
any sense. And it's like they don't, you
know, from John bringing up a story about a, a, a, a ghost
calling out the name Chasfield, which turned out to be Chasfield
was a name on its headstones, say.
But her point was that we're not smart enough to know that Chaz
means Charles, which not only has absolutely nothing to do
with what we were saying, but. We did know that, too.
But we but but even if we didn't know what it was, let's assume
we're completely you're right. Even if we didn't, if the
spirits say jazz and the headstones say Charles, that
that's an art that goes towards what we're saying, that it's a
wild coincidence. Then it was like she got mad
because I said the Kathy Nidal reading blew my mind.
My initial reading, my very first reading with her blew my
mind. You're not allowed to feel that.
Way I guess, I guess when she listened to it and she didn't
bother by the way, she then went and critiqued the edited audio
version only didn't bother to watch the fully the unedited
full video version, which it's right there.
If you took 30 seconds to scroll you could have seen it and do
you know and and basically it just completely like and.
So anyway, it was a complete rage bait.
Hackneyed analysis with 0 analysis to.
She didn't do her homework in his show.
She. Had.
No idea what she was speaking about.
It was crazy, crazy. And then I got into it with her
a lot, you know, and DMS like, you know, listen, do your
homework. You know, if you're going to
slam us, do it right, do it right, You know, do some
research. I mean, the fact that you don't
know any of these things or that you don't know, you know, she
would get out. She would get on about, you
know, like she calls psychics grief vampires.
She thinks they're just taking advantage of people.
And I'm sure there are many that are.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Kathy Nadal does not charge for grief counseling.
No. And then she goes on in the
e-mail to say like, you know, like I'm an idiot.
Grief counseling like this is a joke.
I'm like, who the like if you made somebody, if somebody feels
better about themselves after talking to Kathy, who the hell
are you to judge that process? If if, if eating a a gallon of
Haagen Dazs makes me feel better?
Do you know what I'm saying? Like what are we talking about?
Like what are you talking about? Gary, there there are people in
this world. This is just a hack.
This is just a straight hack. And I, you know, I can't let
hack somebody. I know you can't let hack slide.
When I got older, I realized something about people in
general. One way to vet people out of
your life and figure out you know who should be in your life
is seeing how they are when you're happy.
And if they're willing to put down something that makes you
happy, right, or or a feeling that makes you happy, then they
are a miserable person. It's such a great point.
You know, and so especially so
it doesn't matter if it's like, what's that?
What's that old adage? What's worse, a lie that draws a
smile or a truth that draws a tear, right.
Like even even if when it when it comes to.
That's deep, bro. That's deep, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we miracle, Miracle on 34th St., You know, Miracle
on 30. 3rd. Grape line.
But it's true regardless,
regardless if what any like again, with Kathy, you know she
doesn't charge people, right? She doesn't charge people for
the grief counseling, whether she's a psychic or not, if she
took her time, her free time to make somebody feel better,
that's an amazing thing. You're right, that's a great
thing. It's like, why hate on it?
It's just so weird. It's just so.
They take one thing and they lump everybody up into it, and
that's not the way the world is. I I she certainly lumps para
anybody in a that believes in this fringe science in one lump
sum, that is for sure. But either way, I I found her
analysis to be hackish. It would it lacked any homework.
I told you I have to. Accept it for me, I watched it
and it made me feel stupid. Yeah, it made you.
It's just you get Dumber watching it.
I it's like, wait a minute, what?
It's it's. It was bad.
It was. Bad.
It was so bad. It's like, listen, listen, come
at me bro, but come at me, correct?
You know, like come out, it's fine you don't like it, that's
cool. But be smart about it.
Watch the episodes I had. Somebody once when I was when I
was doing the Brown Cemetery, unfortunately, people over the
years illegally dumped in there, right.
And I'm like, yo, I'm going to, you know, I got permission to
dig at least a foot down if I wanted to.
And I'm going to remove all the debris that's gotten buried.
I didn't even have to go foot down.
I was able to go like 10 inches right to get everything out.
And I'm sitting there and I'm literally sifting the dirt on
live. So, you know, there were some
clips from it. I put the clips out and this
person claimed, claimed that I was destroying the headstones.
Meanwhile, I'm pulling out chunks of concrete and chunks
of, of, of, you know, fake marble, like the cabinet marble
and like, you know, you know what I'm saying?
Like kitchen stuff and and house debris, stuff that was illegally
dumped, their asphalt, you know, sidewalk chunks, all that sort
of crap. And here's the other thing too.
Here's the other thing too. These people, they are literally
building their content on the backs of ours.
All they're doing is replaying ours because guess who's got a
million followers? This guy.
This guy does he's got a million followers.
So I'm going to put him on my I'm going to take all of his
videos. I'm going to put it on the air
and then I'm going to Mystery Science Theater 3000 it with
rage bait hate and it's just they have 0 creativity 0 drive.
There was another guy I watched who did that to you, and it was
like completely clueless of how social media works.
Oh. I know.
Right. Like I don't got, this guy's got
6 accounts out there and they've got and it's like dude, they're,
they're not even his accounts. I mean, it's like people are
faking him. It's like it was just again, no
homework, didn't bother. You know, if like if you're
going to write something or say something or make something, be
good at it. Just be good at it, you know?
I mean, no hack. It's just the no hack zone,
dude. It's just like, it's crazy.
But that's the that's the difference between
professionalism and. Unreal.
It was really that was like, you know, at first I was excited.
I was like, oh man, somebody like took the video and they're
going to break it down the reading 'cause it's.
The time to look at our content and go, hey, yes, I'm going to
make a video about. This We listen and we put it
out. There.
We put it out there. We put it out there for people
to do it. James underdown, specifically in
that episode asked like I would love to see that reading and I
can tell you I have I've been doing this enough in his to him.
I can tell you where I you know where I got played right, That's
what he said. I go it's online.
I posted the whole thing. I have not heard back from
James. He's probably very busy, but
this is who we heard back from, you know, But and the way they
did it was. Horrible it was.
Just horrible. I mean, it was just so like, it
wasn't even. Connections dude.
I have never ever once seen a rebuttal video or a you know
someone taking my content and and doing a video on it that had
anything meaningful. Nothing.
I have never ever once watched a video where I went oh wow that's
a great point. Well maybe I should respond to
them and explain it like this. Never.
I have never seen one. It's always the same.
It's always no homework done, complete lies in the videos and
just, you know, like rage baiting.
It's like rage baiting and and you know, that's why I always
tell my people, you ever come across that crap, don't even
respond because that's what they want.
So yeah, I think the one thing that I gave this person was they
made fun of us for like, you know, they claimed it was a cold
reading and we were like, no, it was like we didn't know what a
cold reading meant. And I guess maybe I didn't know
what a cold reading was at the time we did that interview, but
how do you define a cold reading from a medium?
Well, I always thought a cold reading was when you, when
they're just shooting shit out there waiting for a reaction,
whether even if it's like subtle facial expressions or eyes
lighting up and then they pull from that.
You know what? I that's why I, you know, unless
I'm mistaken on that, which I could be, because, you know, I'm
not a psychic or a medium. I'm not hip with the Claire's,
you know what I'm saying? Right.
I guess, but I think that's right.
I think a cold, I'm just looking online real quick.
It's like a cold reading is quick, you know?
All these debts are all part of a cold reading, like quickly
dropping wrong guesses and amplifying anything that may
land, which creates the illusion of uncanny accuracy in relation
to a second medium. Doing cold reading usually means
they are not truly receiving information, but instead using
these observation and feedback techniques.
OK, so yeah, in a nutshell what I said.
Right, yeah, it's yes, that's yeah, you're on point for it.
And I, I don't know what's the opposite of that then like
what's the? Hot.
Reading Baby is it? Is that what it says?
I don't know. I don't know.
I really don't know. I really don't know.
Yeah, that we know what that is like.
We we at that time, we do what? That was a hot.
Reading is if they know the person before the session and
have done research on them I guess or they and then they're
ready with it. Oh, so both?
So both are are considered bad then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither.
Yeah, neither is. Well, we already do that because
we already got the deep dive. That's where the whole, you
know, Claire what? What was it called?
I love the words the Claire, Claire vagueness.
And yeah, yeah, we get we
already, yeah, we already all that crap.
Listen, man, I don't know, she just sucks.
She that person, that creator sucks.
And it's like, listen, I like, you know, I think.
And here's the thing. It's like.
And we have no hate against smaller creators here on
Splinted Spirits. We feature all sorts of
creators, absolutely. People that have been in the TV
shows, to people that have written books, to people in
academics, to people just starting out with who shows 1000
followers, who shows against. Creators Who and who's Who's
shown? Who has shown more marginalized
voices than us? Yeah, yeah.
And who does that? When we say that Creator sucks,
it means something. It's like a break.
Change his shit. It's like, give me a break.
It's a do your homework, like come correct, man.
So it's like, yeah, just you know, I I would love it.
I would love one if someone you know, here's show me how it's
done and then explain it like, you know, and let look.
Here's the other thing too. Let's assume for a second that
Kathy is not a psychic medium, and she's she is, by definition
what they believe a cold reader is, right?
Someone who is can pick that up. Isn't that in and of itself a
level of consciousness and intuitiveness to be able to read
a person in a way that is so? Well, that's what they teach you
in sales, Gary. They teach you.
Like like but yes, but some but but some people are better at it
than others. And it's like, so if, if this
person is so, but isn't that a a skill set of a of a, a connect,
an emotional empathy, even if you will, or a physical empty,
like a connection of some kind? And some people are better than
others at it, That's what I'm saying.
But it's natural. It's just natural.
For some people, and isn't that in and of itself a gift, a gift
And that way that you can like, I know, like I'm getting
something from this person based on this and I'm seeing their
body language and I'm seeing their eyes and I'm feeling this
and I'm getting that vibe from them that, you know, yeah, it's
probably about this loss. Is this person to this?
Is it a here? Is it a man or woman?
Like, you know, like I can see it.
Isn't that in and of itself somewhere somewhat paranormal?
Well, I'll tell you what a. Skeptic's going to say no.
But isn't it though? Because I can't.
Do it. But that's the thing.
A skeptic's going to say no to everything.
Of course. Like I like listen, all respect
to every skeptic out there. I firmly believe that if a ghost
materialized right in front of them, they would deny it.
Would you like to know why? And I can back up those words
because I document the paranormal and the dead all the
time, and I've done it myself. Yeah, it's weird.
I think they would have to see something skeptic.
They would, you know. They would have to be like Ben
said to me in the interview, and that's in a couple weeks, guys,
I I want to see the clock lift off the ground, fly around the
room, you know, and it's like it has to be something so dramatic
that it's US undeniable, you know, like then his whole my
world would be blown. But otherwise, they don't.
They just don't. They don't see it that way.
You know, so look at my Benjamin hair, Benjamin Franklin hair.
I don't know what the hell it's doing.
I was just looking at that. That's gonna get us off topic.
Is that crazy? You're distinguished.
It's turning Gray and it's fun, yeah, but it's like flattening
out and, like, soon I'm going to be sitting there like a wig, you
know? You call them waist like.
Well, you still got a good full head of hair there.
I'm jealous of that. This is all going away.
I cover my height.
My height is my. Head yet to see what you like.
Never. Dude, I look terrible.
How do you know? You're terrible.
Not with these ears dude. These ears stick out too much.
They will not look good balls. You'll look like the old I.
Will pull. The choir bat boy dude I.
Will put the I will pull the hairs off my ass and put them on
my head to fill in the spots before I go bald yeah yeah yeah.
There is no doubt I am not. I am vain AF.
Yeah, I am not doing that. It's like.
A ball cap and try it and just see what it looks like.
Oh. I would.
It would just be so terrible. Doing for one episode.
Awful man. So anyway, that's our that's our
rant on the skeptics. Come at it.
So I would love it and come on, I'll have you on.
I've had two on I'll I'll. Interview as long as you're as
long as you're respectful and you can hold a conversation,
we're respectful, debate and communicate in a in a well in a
well manner. We would love to have you on.
Always. We would love to have you on no
matter come. Correct.
Become correct and and correct as in an actual pointed
argument, not not what's it called?
It's not called gaslighting. Straw man act.
Is that what it's called? Pretty, I think so I'm.
Trying to remember the other points of arguing.
Don't come at us with the straw man act bullshit talking about,
you know, because we call somebody one thing and the rest
of the world calls them something else.
That that's all trivial. We don't want.
We don't want the trivia. Let's get to the meat and
potatoes of the subject here. Let's have the meal so.
Anyway, it's funny now you're going to be traveling soon.
I'm. Going to be traveling soon.
Yep. Can you tell the good people
where you're going to be? Going, yes, I'm going to Texas.
I am going down to Texas. I'm going to be visiting Chris
Netzel for a week and then at the end of the visitation I will
be going for his wedding and it's going to be really nice.
Where are you going to go paranormally?
Are you going to do any? Is he going to have a spirit box
at the wedding? Are you, are you going to be the
ordained minister? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no spirit box, nothing at the wedding, nothing at the at least
as far as I know. I, you know, nothing like that.
But we're going to be doing a bunch of cool spots.
One spot I really want to do is go Man's Bridge.
Yeah, it's on my bucket list of, you know, paranormal spots.
So I'm going to be I'm going to be there going to be at another
place I really want to go called Baby Head Cemetery, which.
Why is it called baby? Head, to my understanding, the
Native Americans and the settlers were beefing and the
natives won and they took all the heads of the children and
cut them off and put them on spikes.
Yeah, that'll do that at the at the cemetery.
That'll do it so. Baby, so they didn't have it
wasn't a very creative name. So you just.
Yeah, it was. Just yeah, you know how it was
back in the day? It's like, oh, that, that guy no
baby has. Cemetery, you know.
Yeah, all right. Called it is.
Might be doing the Texas killing fields.
That's one of Chris's hotspots. Yeah, he loves that place.
He loves that place. I expressed my reservations
about doing it because I have a lot of reservations about doing
Curry. Thank us with spirits for the
family, you know, for you know, but he has full permission from
so from some of the the victims families and all that.
So I'm cool with that. I'm like, OK, well then that
works for me. Well, I think this speaks to a
bigger thing too, John. They were.
We're getting you out more. Well, we're getting you out more
this year. You know John's going to be
doing Mass Paracon in October. Yup, Yup.
A lot of people are bringing that up so that words getting
around, a lot of people going to Lizzie boarding house.
He's going to Lizzie boarding house and he's going to be
there. I'm trying to get you some other
spots too before then. I'll tell you about it next week
and see some places close and tri-state area get you some
appearances, get you some some solo time and some haunted
locations in the in in at these events.
So not only to speak there, but to also get some time in a new
location, which I think it's great.
Yeah, it'd be really cool. But yeah, that's part of the
plan, man. Get them out there.
We've got more podcast guests and more radio, more interviews
and all of that stuff that we're going to be doing a little more
crossover things. We're just building.
I want to build. I want this thing to build big.
Yeah. There's a lot of podcasts out.
There's a lot of good. There's a lot of good talent out
there. They're really enjoying meeting
them and who they've and who they're talking to and, and
building that, really building that community out, which is.
And then when, when I come back from Texas, yeah, I don't want
to say too much about it, but we're I'm doing a little project
with Miss Jackson with the spiritual get upkeeper, which
we've had on as a guest. And that's going to be fun.
That's going to be the start of something here on Splint
Spirits, and we're going to have others as well.
Yeah, but Miss Jackson is going to be the first one for that.
So, yeah, so it's, it's kind of, yeah, a little more detail.
We got a lot going on. We got some great ones, you
know, some really fun, some super fun apps and it's I'm
excited. I am excited about the people
we've got coming up. And so the oh, and after, so the
next episode, oh, it's Kathy. Speaking of Kathy, Kathy Nadal
gives me a coffee reading. Oh, that's right, to coffee
reading. Yeah.
So we went to coffee. Reading happened when you were
here for. Christmas, yeah, so just before
Christmas, so it was, we went to a place in Bronxville called
Coffee Unique. Really great place.
They were super kind. And she uses, she has a very
specific methodology. So you, there's two cups, you
have to have an espresso and it has to be a cup with a white
bottom. And it was funny too, cause
'cause she, they didn't have a white bottom cup, so she had to
run home and get them and then come back.
It's like, should we, should we use the cups from her house?
And then they serve Turkish coffee there.
And if you've never had Turkish coffee, it doesn't even really
taste like coffee, but it's like really like smooth and thick.
So after you drink it, the sludge on the bottom is where
she does like the reading and how it, how it like spills it's.
And then, you know, I got a reading from it and she just
like read my coffee and we're going to air the whole thing.
And it's super fun because, you know, and it's Kathy and now she
knows her, so she's even more casual.
She gets annoyed with me when I see things that she doesn't
doesn't matter what I see. It matters what she sees.
And it's funny, but it's a it's a good one, man.
It's going to be really fun. I think people are going to like
it. And I'm sure that I'm sure the
skeptics are going to hate it and I love it.
You know, they're going to hate it, you know, But yeah, that'll
be a fun one. But Kathy's great.
And guys, and she wrote a book called You know, More Than
Clouds in your coffee. Like this is something she does.
You know, you get some witches and stuff.
They read the tea leaves. I think I have.
A book here. I'm sure she gave it to you, but
she does coffee. Yeah, she's great.
Kathy's one of my favourites. Was that it?
Oh, perfect. Yes.
That's it guys. You can find that Kathy's book.
We have a link to it in the link tree in the bio for Splintered
Spirits. And you can always book a
reading with Kathy. And if you're in trouble and you
really need it, she does grief counseling for free.
That's something that's part of what she does.
But for fun readings and to and to get something like this, you
know, hit her up. It's, it's like, it's great.
And I, I, I don't know, I can't go to another psychic anymore
like she I because I don't trust they were just just going to
listen to what Kathy said. Well, you could still, so you
could still go to other psychics.
I'd have to find one in like a cave somewhere.
No, you know, if they just repeat what Kathy says, then you
know they're bullshit. I guess.
You can. So what if they, you know, what
if you go to another psychic and they say something that, you
know, listen, all I know is this, Gary.
Yeah. This is a this is a great point
I'm about to make. I've had some tragic shit happen
in my life, OK, which we're not going to get into.
I've had some tragic shit happen in my life.
Guess what? Not one fucking psychic that I
have ever come across has ever brought it up.
However, one time during the spirit board, it got brought up
and that was wild. That was really wild.
But that's just a, a, a great point to also think.
I'm not that I'm saying that, you know, skeptics are bullshit.
I mean, psychics and mediums are bullshit.
That's not what I'm saying. Sometimes, as you know, as you
were getting into with the whole, like people reading
people, facial expressions, all that, how much does it have to
do with the person being read rather than the person doing the
reading, Right. Yeah.
So yeah, so many layers, man, to so many layers.
But there's something to there's something to the intuition of it
all to that that they pick up on, which I think is a thing.
I don't know. I want to get into more into
this consciousness sort of angle of this whole thing this year
too. I'm.
Trying to a lot of people, a lot of people believe that dude.
A lot of people believe in like the higher consciousness, the
complete the collective consciousness.
That's a a real, real big belief system to the people that kind
of know that the basic, you know, heaven and hell, pitchfork
and the devil you know, thing doesn't really make sense,
especially when you dive into the history of it.
But they still believe in in something.
They really get into this collective consciousness, you
know, which is really interesting theory when you
think about it. It's it's it's legit.
I mean, it's certainly legit, you know, So, yeah, what else is
there, dude? I mean, we've got I don't know.
I think it's all we're I think by I am hoping.
Here's what I want. I want by the end of this year
to have such a great an extended tapestry of what our spirits
from a lot of new voices I want us to hit.
I would love it if we hit the Splendid Spirits hits 10,000
followers on YouTube that. 'D be.
That'd be awesome. Come on, guys, you're watching
John, you're sitting there. Run over to Splintered and just
hit subscribe and check it out. Check out an episode.
You'll like it if you're into this stuff.
I mean, we're talking to some great people.
We really, really do. We.
Got a lot of different guests. We got a lot of different
guests. We're talking to a lot of great
people. So, you know, check it out, but
I would love to hit it because that would just even expand when
people see how we talk to people, how we give them a
platform, how Gary share opinions.
It's just. Gary, I hate to say it, I hate
to say it, but I'm going to say it.
It's also time to get the real religious side of this.
Oh yeah, we need a priest. Yeah, going to find a real
priest. We got to find a real priest.
Yeah, You know, one that is willing to talk.
I've reached out to some priest that I know, and none of them,
none of them were willing to do. None of them.
Were willing to do it. I want a real priest, not like a
new wage priest. No, no.
Like an actual yeah, yeah, yeah. I want a Roman Catholic priest,
yes. Well, I I can.
So, you know, we don't have to limit ourselves.
We could also, you know, Protestant.
Yeah. Yeah, Shelly.
And you know, we are an act, you know, a, a, a priest.
Priest, yes. It doesn't matter what
denomination. Yes, of Christianity it is, as
long as it's one of the major ones.
Yeah, top shelf. Yeah, we want a top shelf.
We want a rabbi. I'll fucking yes.
Even a rabbi? Dude, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, they don't believe in hell, they don't believe in a
hell, but it's an interesting. Not like, yeah, no big enough,
but it's a well, the demon thing feels very Christian.
Yeah, we'll get into it. I got another demonologist on
deck that I got a call that's going to be good.
But yeah, I want a priest too, because that you can't.
Just a little a little a little factoid for you all.
The King James Version of the Bible written by King James.
Did you know he was a demonologist?
Is there a punch line coming or is this like a statement?
No, just a little little factoid.
Little factoid. He was a demonologist.
The man that wrote the most common read Bible, the King
James Version, was a demonologist.
You follow what's his name, right?
Daniel McClellan. Yes, he's my favorite.
Yes, he is my favorite Bible scholar.
Yes. Oh, oh, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, you.
Know what I'm talking about? The guy who always wears.
The comic book shirt.
The comic book shirt, dude, there's nobody better.
I can't nobody anybody better. He crushes everybody.
Everybody when he when he goes on and he when he starts talking
about the actual mythology of it all, dude, when he talks about
the preolithic, the where where Yahweh comes from.
Oh dude, I got a mad. Crush on that guy.
Tell me Joe, I got a mid crush on that guy.
There's there's no better start. I would love him to come on
here. Here's no, he's still better.
He's doing his book. Tour.
Isn't he? Yes, and he's writing.
He just, he's got a new book coming out too.
His book is phenomenal. This guy, everybody comes down
from evangelicals and they'll go, they start out.
This statement is like the Bible says and he just he goes, all
right, let's hear it, let's hear it and then and then he just and
then he goes at a 10 minute thing of such educated and
specific excellence that this man is a champion.
There is he's the greatest. Yep, Yep.
I'd love him to come on and talk about demons and what it all the
the real. Dude, just hearing him talk
about just the whole back. Story.
I got where this came from. I'm going to nag him.
I hope he doesn't hate me by the
time it's done, but I've got to get him out and talk to us about
it. Yeah, I thought that would be
such a great episode. Yeah, and I know Sean Austin,
Sean Austin is on my list. Thank you for that name.
But yes, I know Sean Austin is a friend of the Ghost Sisters who
we just had on. So yeah, they, they're, they're
hooking me up. I'm going to try.
Hopefully I'll get Sean on. He's another guy who's great.
I think Sean's got a lot to like.
It'd be wonderful to talk to because Sean invents.
He uses apps, he invents apps. He's a demon, I think.
Interesting to dare about because he he invented an app
that uses AI. Yeah, and I find that
interesting. However, if you figure out what
his app is and she should test it out, see how it works.
However, the AI thing, I have my own reservations on it, not
because I think it's bullshit, because we don't, we don't know
what ghosts are, let alone what happens when you interject
something like AI. It's in the equation.
It's almost like sitting there like, hey, let's pour this into
this and this into this. It could be, you know, it could
be completely harmless or it could be devastating.
It all depends, you know. It all depends.
Boston Boston 19 Boston 19. What is paps?
Is that Sean's app? No paps.
I believe they're a they they they probably won't come out
because they're really good friends with a creator that
unfortunately dislikes me for a lot for for who knows why but.
Tell me, tell me about it off here then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, they, they won't.
I doubt they'll come on. OK, Yeah, we're not hurting for
guests. So it's like we want, we want
to. Wouldn't mind if they came on.
I liked them. But you know, you know how it
goes in this business. Tell me you'll tell me about it
later. Tell me about it offline.
No, it's the female paranormal group.
Oh, I see. I like these full female
paranormal groups. That's why I.
Like a lot of them. But that's why I like the Ghost
sisters. You know, family business
there's. I, I don't and, and I have to
say this, I have to cause 'cause I've been noticing this a lot.
There seems to be this whole, this is a, a, a, a male
dominated industry. Maybe it used to be, maybe it
used to be, but it's not anymore.
There are so many females within the paranormal, it's not even
funny. These groups are popping up
everywhere and some of them have been around for a while.
Yeah, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.
There's there's, there's a lot of them.
There is a lot of them. Listen, why is everybody in the
chat? Why is everybody chat saying hi,
Gary, I've been here the whole time.
Is there another Gary in the chat?
If there is, I'm sorry if there can be only one.
Is it Gary Carpenter? Because that's a Gary that
always comes with a wide piece. Yeah.
Listen, Gary, I appreciate you there, but this guy's now your
name is now Carpenter. Carpenter.
That's it. You'll be more 5 minutes.
You will refer you will refer to Gary Carpenter as Carpenter or
carp. You will not call him Gary.
It confuses the host. So go forth.
Best be known. You are now dub Sir Carp or
Carpenter, but you are no longer Gary.
In this chat. There can be only one good one.
All right, all right, dude, listen, that's all I got for
today. You got more to discuss, We got
no. Well, just real quick, real
quick, before we head off, 2 things are happening tonight.
Yes, two things #1 Gary is going to be on barely scripted with
Stark and Soko. That's that's a TikTok.
That is a TikTok exclusive live with Jolly from Soko and Cody
Stark from Stark Paranormal, but under his Barely on script.
Barely on script, Yep. Header.
But you can just go to Splinter Spirits.
I'll be there. That's where I'm at.
So you go to Splinter Spirits, you're going to see me live.
I'm going to rap with those guys.
That's going to be in an hour, so around 9:00 PM Eastern.
Which is really good for those who cannot handle the crazy shit
that's happening at 83830. We are doing a special live
stream in the abandoned side of the breakfast date and I know
that place is a little heavy for some people so if it's too heavy
that's OK, you won't offend me. Put on your big boy pants.
Yeah, go check out Gary and and start the Soco but.
Go check out, go check out, go check out the, you know, the
abandoned side. And then when you're, when
you've pooped your pants in 30 minutes, come on over.
Clean up first, clean up over to splitters 'cause I'm going to be
on with those guys for a bit. They like to talk and I like
hanging out with them. I like those guys quite a bit.
They're fun to rap too. So listen, that's all I got.
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So big. I think your hand does.
Yeah, look at that. What are you doing?
Of all the things he's lost it guys, he's awesome.
He's gone off the reservation. That's it.
I'm losing it. He's lost.
It's the lighting. It's that new damn light.
It's a new damn light. I thank you all for being here
today. Thank you so much.
Have a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Thursday.
Or will we? Or is that you're in?
I'm in Texas. I'm in Texas.
It all it it. It all depends.
Well, I'll be here live next Thursday.
We'll just see what happens or how we play it.
Yeah, well, if if I do go live, I'll have Nezel with me.
You know, if I oh, maybe if he, if he can, if he's free, Yeah.
You know, that's a busy week for him.
So who? Knows that's that's that's the
whole thing. I don't know what's going on the
day before. The IT would be great to have
Nezel back on because we never showed his, his ghost evidence
is one of the coolest that that smoke walk is by far one of the
greatest catches I've ever seen. And I know we've got and guys
and listen, if you're watching and the person who submitted, I
know we got another ghost story on there.
I just haven't had a chance Again, I'm travelling.
This week. So I will look at that hopefully
we'll if John makes it or not and that's something we can talk
about next week on the live. Yeah, I'll let you know Gary.
I'll let you know when it gets closer to if that's the thing
you know. Right on, right on.
So all righty perfect. All right, guys.
Thank. You so much for watching
Splintered Spirits. We appreciate you.
Have a great evening. All right, buddy, I'll see you.
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