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Hey everybody, welcome to 
Splintered Spirits, the podcast 

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hosted by me, Gary. 
And with me, as always, is John.

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Going on hi. 
John, we got a good we got a 

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good episode here today joining 
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Yeah, it's going to be really 
great. 

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It's a fun one. 
He's a pro. 

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Joining us today is Dan Sturgis.
Dan is an award-winning actor 

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turned respected paranormal 
investigator. 

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A graduate of the American 
Academy of Dramatic Arts, Dan's 

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face has popped up in countless 
commercials. 

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You know, as an actor, Dan has 
been seen in in tons of them 

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from national, regional cable. 
If you can drink it, eat it, or 

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drive it, Dan try to get you to 
buy it. 

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And you even may have seen his 
face in a few classic Law and 

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Order episodes as well. 
But his childhood fascination 

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with ghosts and Civil War 
history eventually pulled him 

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into the paranormal world. 
After joining a local team in 

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New York, Dan dove in head 1st 
and never looked back. 

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He went on to form Sturgis 
Paranormal, a research group 

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known for investigating some of 
New York City's most haunted 

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historic sites, including the Ed
Sullivan Theater, the restaurant

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One If By Land, 2 If By Sea, and
of course, one of the some of 

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his life's work here at the 
Merchant's House Museum where 

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Dan and his team have been 
conducting an 18 year ongoing 

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investigation. 
He's made appearances on Good 

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Morning America, The Late Show 
with David Letterman and of 

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course, he's an on camera 
panelist for paranormal caught 

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on camera shooting. 
Now where our own John Santa was

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once featured. 
He's got the ghost cred and the 

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stories to back it up. 
We are about to welcome Mr. Dan 

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Sturgis. 
Dan, let me bring you on camera 

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and thank you so much for 
joining us. 

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Dan. 
John, what's going on, fellas? 

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Dan, it's a pleasure. 
Thank you to thank you for being

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here. 
You've got so much credit. 

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We love it. 
We love. 

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Thanks, man. 
Thanks. 

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You guys talked me up. 
Well, I'm feel bad that I'm so 

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drunk right now. 
Gatorade mom. 

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It's Gatorade, mom. 
We don't know what's in it 

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though. 
Someone will test it later 

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getting. 
Jealous, Dan, I'm getting 

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jealous. 
I know it's right for you guys. 

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It's it is happy hour, I mean. 
You know, Yeah. 

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And you're not far from me, 
John. 

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You're right up the road from 
me. 

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Yeah. 
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. 

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Well, we'll, we'll get into this
because I think you guys share a

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lot more in common than you may 
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So Dan, I'd like to start 
everything off with this 

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question with all of our guests,
because what splendored Spirits 

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is about is, is not just about 
spirit communication, but it's 

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really testing. 
You know, we're sort of really 

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curious about what John's theory
of spirits are. 

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He has a very specific theory. 
He thinks spirits are the 

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fractured memories of the living
that our energy, when it 

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dissipates from us, those 
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travel, however they travel to 
where they need to go, what's 

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important. 
So I like to ask our guests, 

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Dan, what do you think spirits 
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Well, guys, you know, I, you 
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John there. 
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people and they may ask me, Dan,
you know, what's a ghost? 

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They asked me the same question.
I tell them it's, it's 

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consciousness that has survived 
bodily death and, and meaning 

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that, you know, this, this 
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that we're, we're renting for a 
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When that stops working, you 
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tragically, where, where does 
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Does it just fragment? 
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I think consciousness bounces 
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You know, I believe in 
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I don't know if you guys have 
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that's a fascinating subject. 
I don't think we've even touched

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that one yet. 
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We'll get there paranormal in a 
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So, so I believe that 
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death. 
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investigator, what I'm trying to
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with that consciousness that can
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with us? 
You know, it is it aware that, 

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OK, I don't have my physical 
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to go talk to John. 
I'm going to go talk to Gary. 

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I'm going to try and communicate
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they're able to, are they able 
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world? 
Are they able to, you know, 

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touch things? 
I've been touched on an 

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investigation. 
How did that happen? 

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Yeah. 
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to to John's take on it. 
I just think consciousness stays

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intact. 
That's what I believe And and 

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I'm so. 
So that and you, no, it's fine. 

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It's great. 
Now you know, we our, our first 

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guest was someone you know very 
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Oh my God, loud arm himself, 
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So do you look at how do you 
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you know how he defines A 
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and a haunting is an imprint. 
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what is a haunting versus what 
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you really communicating or are 
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spirit? 
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I, I, you know, Lloyd's my 
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out learning about all this 
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books and I was lucky enough I 
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lecture here in the City and, 
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So a lot of my things line up 
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apparition for me and in 
parapsychology, and I'm not a 

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parapsychologist, but I know a 
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are, but they're not. 
Lloyd is. 

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But I think, you know, an 
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It's what the cool kids on TV 
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haunting. 
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haunting. 
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residual hauntings. 
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memory haunting and then 
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and stuff. 
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type of haunting. 
So, so I go down the line, I try

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and, and, and use the verbiage 
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people whose books I read 'cause
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So apparitional haunting kind of
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haunting. 
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People call it. 
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How do you know when you're out 
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You know, like, OK, this is a 
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find? 
How do you Just how? 

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Do you sure, sure, sure. 
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an EVP session and you know, I'm
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gotten direct answers to 
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know, do you play the piano and 
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succession. 
Somebody will look in a mirror 

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and say, you know, do I look 
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And then when we play back the 
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enough. 
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So for me that, you know, 
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apparition or intelligent type 
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can you open the door? 
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If, if you're getting an answer,
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knock three times? 
Can you knock three times again?

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Can you nap once? 
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that's, that's, that is somebody
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with you somehow. 
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they're doing it. 
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That's where I would run knock 3
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It's like it's like Gary runs 
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If so, where do you stand on 
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do you think spirits are stuck 
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want recognition or what do you 
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What do you think is going on? 
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Well, you know, again, when 
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have to remember we're dealing 
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a body. 
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I don't believe spirits get 
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You know, if you're just 
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stuck? 
You know, you have your own free

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will as a human being. 
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to visit your, your family, all 
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and you're going to be there. 
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get stuck where, you know, it's 
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of the horse. 
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to prove that spirits exist. 
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limitations on them? 
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think it's short sighted to be 
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I mean, that's, you know, that's
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How many times, John, do you get
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People saying they have 
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So, yeah, and, and I'm, I'm 
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Dan, me and Dan had very similar
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but it seems like it, it's 
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you know, we're thinking in 
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to, you know, spirits. 
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Spirits are stuck. 
Spirits need unfinished 

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business. 
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listen, these are people we're 
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without the meat sacks. 
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And who's finished all their 
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their business? 
Everybody's just unfinished 

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business. 
That's funny, man. 

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My dad, my my dad, I was with my
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before he passed away, he was 
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You know, he was like, hey, go 
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this and get that he he had 
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He was still taking care of 
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Oh my God. 
So Dan, you've been doing this a

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long time and you've seen a lot 
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Now technology is a big part of 
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And I think it's a big part of, 
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understanding a lot of things 
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proponent of the apps, right? 
He uses them and listen we 

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understand we are not delusional
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they do and how the the 
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messages. 
The thing that I as a noob find 

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amazing when John uses it is one
hit the I got the same apps on 

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my phone and I don't get what he
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Sure, I get some of the same. 
There's some certain ones have 

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certain built in phrasings, you 
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know all these stuff. 
But when John when John uses it,

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they get specific. 
He gets real Q&A, they get 

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names. 
He's they say things that gets 

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him kicked off TikTok for 
bullying because one of them is 

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mean to him and it's like and 
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It's and it's, it is too. 
It happens too often to be 

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explainable, in my opinion, 
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And it's it just, it just 
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So you've seen the sort of 
evolution of tech in your field 

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as an investigator. 
What? 

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What are you know? 
How has it changed the way you 

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investigate, if at all? 
Again, thank you for a great 

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question. 
You know, as far as the tech, 

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when I first started out, I can 
always tell somebody who's just 

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starting out. 
When I first started out, I used

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to have to rent a van to bring 
all my stuff on an 

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investigation. 
I had miles of of cable, I had 

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monitors, DVRSI had every all 
the crap that you see on the 

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ghost shows, especially when the
ghost shows came out, I was 

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like, I, I got to get some of 
that. 

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I got to get me a FLIR camera. 
I got I didn't know any of this.

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Can I curse? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Sure, you know, I didn't know 
any of this shit where you know,

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and and but I was throwing it 
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chasing a grant doing it on on 
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Show the original ghost hunters,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And, and, and there's nothing 

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wrong with that. 
But now all these years later, 

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you know, my, my, my backpack 
has like dirty gym clothes and, 

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and, you know, an EMF meter and 
a, and a recorder and that's it.

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You know, I think your best 
piece of equipment is a level 

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head, you know, and, and just 
understand that, you know, you 

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may bump into things that you 
can't explain. 

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And it doesn't mean that the 
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haven't been able to explain it.
Remember, Thunder and lightning 

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were paranormal a lot longer 
than they've been normal, you 

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know, for so. 
So maybe this stuff, we'll just 

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figure it out. 
But you know, we have to 

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remember Harry Price. 
You know, Harry Price is an 

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amazing guy. 
He investigated the Borley 

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rectory, which is over in the UK
and he did this back in the 

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early 1900s. 
He rented this rectory for a 

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year and he had a pencil and a 
notebook and he investigated the

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crap out of that place and had 
amazing result results. 

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So, you know, you don't need a 
lot of the, the gadgets and the 

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techie stuff. 
It's good to use as backup, but 

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I wouldn't rely on that entirely
because, you know, as far as the

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apps go, you know, I was just 
two weekends ago, I was, I was 

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in Ohio with a, with a bunch of 
the guys and they had these apps

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and I was like, did you just 
figure out, you know, the, the, 

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the lifelong question of 
humanity? 

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Did you just figure that out 
with like $1.99 app you got off 

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the, the store 'cause that's 
pretty freaking amazing. 

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You can, that stuff can help. 
It could back you up, but I 

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wouldn't, I wouldn't. 
A phrase coming out of an app on

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your, on your phone is not 
something that would keep me 

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going back to a place if, if I 
got EVP, if I got EMF spikes, if

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I got all kinds of other stuff. 
I always work with a psychic 

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medium always. 
And if I have this person and 

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they're they're backing up what 
the app says, all right, then, 

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then, then I'll think of that. 
But you know, the app alone does

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not a haunting make. 
Is there is there a piece of 

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tech though that now you bring 
that you do sort of trust and 

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you like and you? 
I use AI have a a few Tri field 

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EMF meters, natural Tri field 
EMF meters and what they do is 

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they filter out man made EVP. 
You know, sometimes when you see

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these people walking around the 
shows and they have that little 

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black EMF meter and they're 
going 02 milligaws, that's 

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picking up man made electricity.
It's not what human beings give 

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off. 
So why would you use that? 

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You can use that to get a 
baseline people who are 

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hypersensitive to 
electromagnetic fields. 

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Michael Persinger up in in 
Toronto, I think he's passed 

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since then, but he did a lot of 
experiments on how EMF effects 

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people and he is able to 
recreate a religious 

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experiences, UFO abductions, 
ghosts, you know, just by 

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manipulating where the EMF is 
affecting this person on the 

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side of the brain. 
He had like a God helmet, it was

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called, and he would put it on, 
put somebody in an isolated 

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room, everything is all 
controlled and suddenly they're 

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floating out their window going 
up to a spaceship. 

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So and they're not, you know, 
but but they're able to, yeah, 

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they're able to trigger a 
response from, from somebody's 

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brain. 
And then that just tells the 

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story for this person. 
Based on electromagnetic fields.

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Electromagnetic fields. 
I've been on plenty 

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investigations where, you know, 
the people say, oh, I'm laying 

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in bed and I hear all these 
weird things and you look on the

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corner of their bed back in the 
day. 

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I'm giving my age way. 
You know, there's a an alarm 

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clock, you know that you plug in
alarm clocks give off a ton of 

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EMF, a ton of EMF and EMF 
dissipates very quickly. 

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So I tell the people, I say you 
want it, you want your hunting 

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to go away, Move your alarm 
clock, put it on the other side 

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and and it goes away. 
You know it stops. 

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So. 
So a person could be more 

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sensitive to that. 
That then triggers false 

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positives if you will. 
False positives exactly and 

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especially if you're on a 
paranormal investigation and you

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have somebody this happened to 
me who who happened to be and 

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you don't know if you're hyper 
sense John, you know, if you're 

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hyper sensitive to EMF, are you 
possibly are you? 

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No, I do, No, I, I know for a 
fact. 

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So let me, let me break this 
down. 

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It's cuz I'm, it's funny that 
you're, you're saying this. 

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I used to do a lot of like 
service work. 

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I went up to a place up in 
Armonk called Wright's Mill. 

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It's a, it's a very developed 
community, right? 

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Very lots of money. 
They were constantly building 

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homes and whatnot. 
There was 2 houses in particular

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that constantly, constantly 
birds were flying into windows. 

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People would get headaches if 
they were there. 

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I would step on the property. 
They thought the property was 

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haunted. 
I'd step on the property and my 

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stomach would start to turn. 
I'd start to, you know, when you

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get the when you go, you're 
going to puke. 

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And I'd have to, I wouldn't be 
able to service the property at 

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all. 
So, So, yeah, I, I, I that 

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that's how I know that I am 
sensitive to, you know, such 

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things, Right, Right. 
And I actually don't use a lot 

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of the gadgets and whatnot that 
a lot of investigators use for 

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those reasons. 
I I've always and part of it, 

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you know, speaking to what 
you're, you're talking about 

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Dan, I think some of the 
reactions he get is, gets his, 

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you know, we haven't tested him 
and put him in any sort of God 

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helmet or, you know, checked 
his, you know, wired him up or 

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anything. 
But I feel like he might be 

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giving off something that makes 
that gets the responses he gets.

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From. 
Spirit, whether you know from 

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spirits, you know or however it 
works via the app we joke 

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around, we call him the tech 
medium, you know like he's like 

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you know it's it's like he hates
it, but it's like I mean I don't

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know how else to explain it I. 
Don't know. 

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You look a, you look a little 
extra large to me, John. 

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I don't mean that in there. 
I'm saying I'm a triple X. 

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Dan, I'm a. 
Triple X right on man right are.

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You are you concerned Dan or or 
anything about where tech is 

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going in what you do, you know, 
with you know, AI coming out or 

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like the apps that John uses, Do
you think that'll hinder or help

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you? 
Know what? 

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You do 'cause you're still 
active, you're still actively 

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investigate. 
Yeah, it, it depends on the 

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person using it. 
And you know, if the person 

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using it is, is going, OK, well,
I've got this coming up. 

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Excuse me, I've got this coming 
off the app. 

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What else is happening? 
You know what else is happening?

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I, I, I don't think you can just
go into do an investigation with

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an app on your phone. 
You can, you can. 

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But if you really want to do 
something scientifically or as 

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close to scientifically as you 
can, because we're not 

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scientists, you know, we're all 
using scientific equipment that 

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we really don't know how to use.
This doesn't mean. 

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We're cooks, right? 
Exactly. 

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And that's so easy. 
That's so easy. 

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So, you know, as far as like 
equipment, I, I, and I'm excited

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about this stuff. 
And, and yeah, you know, the, 

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the stuff that's coming out is 
really cool and it's, it's, you 

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know, people are thinking about 
how to do this, what's the best 

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way to do this? 
And, and, you know, maybe they 

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come up with an idea for an app,
maybe they figure out how to 

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modify a piece of equipment. 
When I do, when I do 

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investigations and I'm recording
EVP, I never hold the recorder. 

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If I'm holding the recorder, 
nothing ever comes on that 

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recorder. 
I let other people hold it, but 

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I always take a recorder and I 
disengage the microphone, right?

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'Cause like what we were talking
about earlier, you shouldn't 

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need a microphone to pick up EVP
because a spirit doesn't have 

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the body doesn't have the tools.
Now, how do, how do, how do our 

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ears work? 
You know, somebody says 

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something, I'm talking, I'm 
creating sound waves and it's 

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going into the microphone. 
It's coming out your end. 

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It's tickling the little cochlea
that are in your ear and sends a

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signal to your brain. 
Your brain goes, oh, this guy's 

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talking. 
If the spirit doesn't have a 

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voice box or a tongue to 
manipulate sound waves, what's 

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going in the recorder? 
You know your questions. 

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So, so I like to use one or two 
recorders that have the 

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microphone disengaged and you 
know, everything is correctly 

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time stamped. 
So you use the other recorders 

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to hear your questions, not to 
hear the answers. 

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And then I listen to the to the 
recorder with a disabled 

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microphone. 
I haven't gotten full sentences.

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I've gotten noises, I've gotten 
murmurs. 

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I haven't gotten a, a, a, an 
answer to a question that I've 

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asked. 
But I think I feel like I've 

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gotten close. 
And, you know, maybe I just got 

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a crappy recorder and, and you 
know, that's the reason why, but

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you shouldn't need the 
microphone engaged. 

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Yeah. 
What's the wildest thing that 

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you've like, you know, some of 
this tech or things that you've 

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used has you picked up on like 
what was a wow? 

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What are what's a wow moment for
you? 

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Instigations, you know, with? 
You using the tech? 

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Yeah. 
Or, you know, like where even if

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it's something happened with 
that tech that you weren't 

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expecting or, you know, you 
just, you know what I mean, 

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where it was. 
Like I got AI, got a good one. 

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I was, you know, I was in 
upstate New York at a old 

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funeral parlour that a guy 
turned into a house. 

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It was beautiful right on the 
Hudson River. 

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And I, you know, I was spending 
the night in the embalming room,

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as you do. 
And I had AI had a old tape 

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recorder. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, right. 
And this, this embalming room 

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was, you know, it's like they 
shut the lights off 100 years 

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ago, turn the lights back on. 
And that's what the embalming 

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room looks like. 
So it's very echoey. 

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It's all tiled, it's all 
stainless steel. 

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And I had this old, had this old
tape recorder and you have to 

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push record and play in to 
record, you know, one of those 

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old ones. 
And you know, I'm big tough guy 

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and I was powerlifting at the 
time. 

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I was freaking jacked up and, 
and, and I said, I'm going to go

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down to the embalming room now. 
Meanwhile, I'm, I'm shitting my 

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pants down to the embalming 
room. 

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There's nobody around me. 
And I had a tape in and I had 

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the, the tape recorder was on 
the stainless steel Gurney that 

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would hold the body that had all
of the the drains and everything

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for the bodily fluids. 
It was so creepy. 

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And you know, it was a 90 minute
tape, so 45 minutes each side. 

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So 45 minutes, I'm 44 minutes 
and 30 seconds I'm sitting down 

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there and then 30 seconds later 
it pops ends and then the tape 

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sort of buttons pop out and it 
hit the metal, the metal table. 

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And it just echoed in the towel 
room. 

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And I screamed and jumped out of
my chair and landed in like the 

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other room thinking, Oh my God, 
something just banged the table.

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But it was my stupid tape 
recorder, you know, so, so you 

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know, you got to be aware of of 
some of that stuff. 

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But yes, I. 
Would say that. 

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I would say that's not in the 
manual for how tape recorders. 

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Are supposed to work. 
And therefore it worked 

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differently. 
Than I know you can't take it 

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back to Best Buy and go yeah I 
was hanging out in a bombing 

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room and the. 
Ghosts sort of broke it and. 

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Start coming under the warranty,
you know. 

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You know, I got to agree. 
I got to agree with Dan. 

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There's like, especially like 
going back to the apps, One big 

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thing that I noticed that, well,
look, because a lot of people 

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use these apps now. 
Yeah, they'll sit, you know, 

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they'll sit in in a room. 
They'll they'll be, you know, 

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wherever they are. 
And let's say they know that 

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other people have investigated, 
let's say hypothetically, a 

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spirit named Mary, right. 
Very common name. 

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I get it all the time. 
They'll say the name over and 

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over and over. 
Mary, can you hear me? 

443
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Mary, how are you feeling? 
And then you know, the app will 

444
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,000
kick out the name Mary, you 
know, and they'll people will 

445
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,000
get so excited over it. 
But and it's like, and I listen,

446
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960
I support the apps. 
I use a bunch of different ones,

447
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,680
but there has to be some form of
logic when using them where it's

448
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600
like somebody programmed that to
happen. 

449
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,760
You know, it's, it's constantly 
these things access your 

450
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,040
microphone, they access your 
phones, you know, And so those 

451
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,680
things have to be kept in mind. 
So going back to that, for 

452
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,880
example, like if I'm at a 
cemetery, you know, I have these

453
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,760
phones on my wrist. 
So I'll have one phone on my 

454
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,920
wrist facing usually out into 
the into the darkness. 

455
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,640
And if I go up to a headstone 
and I say spirit, may we have a 

456
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,360
conversation and I get a yes or 
a yes answer this next question 

457
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,040
I always ask. 
It's repetitive. 

458
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,400
I know it bores people 
sometimes, but I always ask, 

459
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,120
what is your name? 
And they will say and you know, 

460
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,880
I'll get the name sometimes. 
And usually if I get that yes 

461
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,240
answer and I get that name, I 
get a conversation afterwards. 

462
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,480
That's awesome. 
You know, which is, which is 

463
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,520
which is wild. 
But you, you, you're right with 

464
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,920
anything, whether you're using 
the apps, whether you're using 

465
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,760
any sort of equipment, we have 
to have a logical mind. 

466
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,760
We have to be able to, you know,
really not draw conclusions 

467
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,400
without, you know, the proper 
evidence to back it up. 

468
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480
And we have to be able to admit 
to ourselves sometimes evidence 

469
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,160
could be, you know, what's the 
word, Inc Inconclusive. 

470
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,240
Inconclusive. 
And, and just to just to support

471
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,400
what John's saying, because I've
seen it, seen him do it. 

472
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,880
It's not like he asked what's 
its name? 

473
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,680
And they'll it's not like a 
another common name, John. 

474
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760
And then he looks around and 
like, oh, there's a John. 

475
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,400
It's sometimes it's like. 
A weird talking about a very. 

476
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Yeah, like a weird, like a 
Murray Head would not be 

477
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,400
programmed in. 
And then with within the 

478
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,720
vicinity of the headstones, you 
find the headstone with that 

479
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,600
name and it's really quite odd. 
And it's wise. 

480
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,720
It's wise. 
It's still Dan. 

481
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,440
It still blows my mind and I've 
been doing it for years now. 

482
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,320
It's still it still blows my. 
Mind, I'm coming up there and 

483
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,880
hanging with you in a sanitary 
John. 

484
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,120
Man, Dan, I would. 
You will love it. 

485
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,080
You will love it. 
I love it. 

486
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,560
And here's the thing. 
This is what's this is another 

487
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,600
great thing about the two of you
that you both love because Dan, 

488
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,320
you have a love for history and 
a love for historic locations. 

489
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520
And look, both being in New 
York, John, John goes to a a 

490
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,000
couple of these places. 
So let's get the let's just sort

491
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,120
of the gossip stuff out of 
there. 

492
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,680
You've explored a ton of famous 
haunts. 

493
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Are there any locations you 
think are overrated and others 

494
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:32,480
that deserve more attention? 
Overrated, You know, I think 

495
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,400
every place has a value to it, 
whether or not it ends up being 

496
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,440
haunted or, or you just have an 
old building. 

497
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,800
Overrated Now I'm going to say 
no, none of the places I've been

498
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,720
to, I'm sure there are. 
You know, you go to Eastern 

499
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,800
State Penitentiary, which I've 
had a lot of luck and they don't

500
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,640
do the ghost stuff anymore. 
But you know, if you're, if 

501
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,040
you're no, I'm going to say no, 
no, not. 

502
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Well, then what for the for the 
places that for these historic 

503
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,400
locations? 
What? 

504
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960
Why? 
Why do you think that they 

505
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,560
retain such spiritual energy? 
Well, you know. 

506
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120
Is it trauma? 
Just age. 

507
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520
I, you know, I, I know we're, 
we're giving off energy right 

508
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,040
now, you know, and, and who 
knows where this energy is 

509
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,440
going? 
Lloyd, Lloyd Auerbach tells a 

510
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,360
great story. 
When I hope. 

511
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,240
It's going to the bank one day, 
to be honest with you. 

512
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,960
I can use a little bank energy. 
You know what I'm? 

513
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,360
Saying tell me about it. 
That's that. 

514
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,040
But anyway, go ahead. 
Sorry, you know, Lloyd tells the

515
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,600
story of a place, memory 
haunting that he was involved 

516
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,640
with, where people were hearing 
other people having sex. 

517
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,480
Oh yeah, we did that. 
We covered that. 

518
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Yeah, we. 
Did. 

519
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I mean, that's one of my 

520
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400
favorite Lloyd stories. 
It's a great one. 

521
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,840
But that those people weren't 
dead, you know, they just moved 

522
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,840
to another house. 
So, you know, it's it's oh, man,

523
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,280
we went off on a tangent. 
What was? 

524
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
The tell me this Let's let's. 
Let's. 

525
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,240
Yeah, yeah. 
But let's jump to because look, 

526
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,240
let's talk about the merchant 
house is a good point to bring 

527
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,600
it up. 
That's when you're, it's one of 

528
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,000
your, you know, obviously 18 
years, 19 years now. 19 years 

529
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,920
studying this place. 
What, what? 

530
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Why do you why are you so 
fascinated with it? 

531
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,320
And why do you think that place 
has such a spiritual energy? 

532
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Let's talk specifically about 
specifically about this place. 

533
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Yeah, I, I, I believe that the 
merchant's house is as active as

534
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,160
it is because of the people that
run the merchant's house. 

535
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,080
The merchant's house was, you 
know, owned only by one family, 

536
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,360
lived in by only one family. 
And it, and again, I don't want 

537
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
to get you can look up the 
merchant's house online and find

538
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,880
all the dates. 
But but when, when they closed 

539
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,320
doors to the merchant's house, 
it was sat empty for, for or 

540
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,200
unlived in for a couple of 
years. 

541
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
And then it opened back up as a 
Museum of 19th century living, 

542
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,240
which would be like us making a 
Museum of the 1990s. 

543
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:19,000
You know, it's, you know, 30 
years ago and, and the people 

544
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,480
that take care of the house, the
people, the staff that runs it, 

545
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,960
love the house. 
You know, they love the house. 

546
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,120
They respect the house. 
When they come in, they go, good

547
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,800
morning, Mr. And Mr. Treadwell. 
When they leave, they say, have 

548
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920
a good night. 
You know, Treadwells, you don't 

549
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,280
swear in it. 
You know, I've never. 

550
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,720
I'm cursed at the merchant's 
house. 

551
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360
I curse all the time. 
And, but, but I respect the 

552
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960
merchant's house and, and I 
choose not to. 

553
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,480
And I think the spirits 
appreciate the respect that 

554
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680
their house receives. 
Now I've brought in some really 

555
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,320
amazing medium psychic mediums 
and they've all to a person have

556
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,280
said it's mostly the servants 
that are haunting the house. 

557
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,600
If you want to call haunting 
when you say haunting, it sounds

558
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320
scary and evil, but you know, 
they, they, they pop in from 

559
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,480
time to time. 
The the Treadwells, the family 

560
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,800
that own the house pop in from 
time to time. 

561
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200
They love the way when it's 
decorated around Christmas time,

562
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,040
you go in there with an EVP, you
know, to collect them EVP. 

563
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,480
You get them all night long 
because they're enjoying being 

564
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,800
there and it's a happy place. 
Merchants house is in a scary 

565
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,160
place. 
So I love going there because I 

566
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760
had these strange sort of 
connections, you know, with the 

567
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Merchant's House. 
It took me about six months to 

568
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600
get my first investigation. 
And they, they were on the 

569
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
original season of Ghost 
Hunters. 

570
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,280
And after that show aired, they 
got thousands and thousands of 

571
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400
letters and they had a bad 
experience. 

572
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,920
And they were like, you know 
what, screw it. 

573
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000
We're not letting any of these 
dopey ghost people come in here 

574
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,640
anymore. 
And, you know, the, the, 

575
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480
everything in the house, the 
Merchant's House is an original 

576
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,080
to the house. 
If you're looking at a chair at 

577
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000
the merchant's house tomorrow, 
that chair was sitting there in,

578
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,480
in the 1840s, you know, people 
were using that the sheets on 

579
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,840
the bed or the sheets that they 
slept in, the, the, the plates 

580
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480
and the cups in the kitchen or 
the plates and the cups that 

581
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,400
they ate off of it. 
It's all original. 

582
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120
It's all original. 
Everything is where it was. 

583
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,560
So, so it's, it's, it's 
priceless, this place priceless.

584
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,080
And you know Mr. Treadwell, 
Seabury Treadwell, he here's a 

585
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,880
little connection which which 
gave me goosebumps when I found 

586
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,160
out he was passed away on March 
7th, 1865, right. 

587
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,000
So I was born when I give my age
away on March 7th, 1965, a 

588
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,440
hundred years to the day. 
I don't believe in coincidence. 

589
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760
You know, there's a reason I'm 
at the merchant's house. 

590
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
First time I walked in there, 
after six months of buying 

591
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
everybody freaking lunches and 
donations and all kinds of crazy

592
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,640
shit. 
First time I walked in, I, I was

593
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920
waiting for, for a member of the
board to come from the offices 

594
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,480
upstairs and I'm sitting in the 
middle of the parlor and I 

595
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,920
started to cry. 
I'm not a crier, you know, like 

596
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,560
out I cry when I watch 
commercials sitting in my 

597
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,960
apartment by myself. 
But but when I'm out being 

598
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,400
tough, big guy Dan, you know, I 
don't do that. 

599
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440
And I was bald, the guy, the guy
came down and I'm staying in the

600
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
parlor, just a mess. 
He's like, are you OK? 

601
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,040
I'm like, I don't know. 
I just never happens to me. 

602
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,400
This never happens to me. 
It just I connected to it. 

603
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,320
I connected. 
You now you, you brought up 

604
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,400
first thing. 
One of the first things you 

605
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120
brought up today was 
reincarnation. 

606
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Do you feel there's some 
connection there with you in 

607
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,280
this place? 
No, no, I mean, you know, I 

608
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,560
can't say for sure, but I had 
never heard of the merchant's 

609
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,560
house till, you know, maybe 2021
years ago. 

610
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,800
I've never had any kind of past 
life memories or anything like 

611
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,640
that. 
I, I just dig the house. 

612
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,280
I think the house digs me. 
The, the spirits are aware of 

613
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,320
me. 
They know my name. 

614
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,440
I have never caught my name on 
on a recorder on an EVP. 

615
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,239
But the psychic mediums I bring 
in, they're going Oh yeah, damn,

616
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,520
they, they're comfortable with 
you. 

617
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,239
They're cool. 
Now do you? 

618
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,440
Do you have you, you have, have 
you decided that these are 

619
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,239
apparitions as opposed to like a
haunting, an imprint as you 

620
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,080
would put it, or what do you 
think's going on? 

621
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,840
Yeah, I think, I think there's a
little bit of both. 

622
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,080
We recorded footsteps one time. 
I was standing with a colleague 

623
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,480
whose name was Dan as well, to 
make it all confusing. 

624
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,040
But these footsteps walked right
between us, you know, standing 

625
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,520
on the second floor of a house 
right between US. 

626
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,760
And I looked at him. 
He looked at me. 

627
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:51,600
I'm like, you heard that right? 
And I don't think, I don't 

628
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
think, you know, the wood was 
squeaking. 

629
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,320
I think we were meant to hear 
that, all right, and it was 

630
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,800
getting going to get weird. 
Now it was imprinted for us to 

631
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600
experience that. 
All right. 

632
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,280
I don't think they were 
footsteps again. 

633
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Ghosts don't have a body. 
How do they make, you know, 

634
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640
footprint sounds, you know, and,
and is that even a word? 

635
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,640
Footprint sounds. 
I get it, but we all understand.

636
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,760
How do they create that noise? 
Yeah. 

637
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,360
How do they create that noise if
they don't have a body? 

638
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,440
So they have to imprint it onto 
you what they want you to hear. 

639
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,360
This is what Lloyd will tell you
too, is, you know, a, a spirit 

640
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,440
or an apparition when it's in, 
when it's interacting with you, 

641
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,680
can appear to you whatever way 
it wants to show you. 

642
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,840
So did did Lloyd talk about a 
case of an old woman and a young

643
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,640
boy in San Francisco? 
No. 

644
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,240
And oh, man, that's my favorite 
Lloyd story. 

645
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,320
But he was interviewing a young 
boy who was having apparitional 

646
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,320
experiences with an older woman.
But this woman would show up to 

647
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,600
him at his age, as a teenager, 
as an adult, as an old lady, you

648
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,920
know, it was just whatever she 
felt like projecting to him. 

649
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,880
That's what she projected to 
him, you know, And And so again,

650
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,200
went off on a crazy tangent, but
no, it's great. 

651
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,560
No, it's great. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

652
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Yeah. 
It's, it's, you know, as as far 

653
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,040
as the intelligence stuff, when,
when you're getting interactions

654
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,720
like that, when Lloyd is sitting
across from a boy who's sitting 

655
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,080
next to an empty chair and he 
asks the empty chair question, 

656
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Little boy looks at the chair 
and then answers Lloyd. 

657
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,480
And he got a phone number. 
He got a phone number where this

658
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,400
old lady who has passed away, 
she's in spirit and she's 

659
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,320
communicating with this, with 
this boy whose family moved into

660
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,000
the house that she once lived 
in. 

661
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680
He rattled off a phone number. 
They dialed it. 

662
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,400
It was an assisted living home 
where this woman's brother 

663
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,680
lived. 
Dude, wow, that little boy's a 

664
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,200
witch. 
And he continued to see that 

665
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,120
woman when he grew up. 
His children saw that woman. 

666
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,600
So and and and. 
And Dan, you said that the the 

667
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,160
child was seeing this woman in 
different stages of her life, 

668
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,160
like she would appear as like, 
middle-aged, Right. 

669
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,840
And the next time, older. 
OK. 

670
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Yeah, yeah. 
That's why she, she, she, she 

671
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,120
appeared to him first as an old 
woman. 

672
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440
And when Lloyd asked, why do you
only communicate with him and 

673
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,560
nobody else, she said her answer
was, he's the only one that 

674
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,640
waved back. 
And then this little boy's 

675
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,040
parents were like, I remember 
seeing an old lady wave to us. 

676
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120
And I just thought it was a lady
like, you know, you know, out on

677
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,920
the lawn or walking around. 
But the little boy was the first

678
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,360
person to wave back and and and 
say hello. 

679
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,000
John knows my theory on this 
too, if the movies are to 

680
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,920
believe those old woman goes to 
the scariest there are. 

681
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,840
I think any little kid spirits 
little kid goes to my. 

682
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Room right off listen, I got I 
got to recap on something that 

683
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,600
Dan said, which is so important 
and I try to stress this when 

684
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,800
I'm doing my documentation to so
many people because you know, I 

685
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,640
do this on social media. 
I get an array of questions. 

686
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:21,400
I will go to a place like the 
Algonquin hotel, OK, or the 

687
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Southern mansion in Cape May all
right, two very beautiful places

688
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,240
that do not have a bad vibe or a
bad bone in their in their 

689
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,560
bodies. 
You know what I'm saying? 

690
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Like they're just pleasant 
places to be and we experience a

691
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,240
lot we experience I was the cat 
I thought herself back there. 

692
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,360
It was the cat. 
I experienced all these 

693
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,400
incredible, you know, things 
happening. 

694
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:52,440
And I try to stress to people, 
hey, listen, these places can be

695
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,280
haunted and it doesn't have to 
be evil. 

696
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,920
It doesn't have to be bad, it 
doesn't have to be malicious and

697
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,280
it doesn't have to be angry. 
Sometimes it could be pleasant 

698
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:09,120
and happy and above all, normal.
Yeah, like you, people are 

699
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,680
afraid of what they don't 
understand. 

700
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,480
And if if you walk into a place 
and a door shuts, how do you 

701
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,640
know that that's not a spirit or
somebody that's in spirit trying

702
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,160
to get your attention 'cause 
they want to talk to you, you 

703
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,760
know? 
But if you don't understand, you

704
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,360
know that, that, you know, when 
you pass over into spirit 

705
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,160
doesn't make you one, doesn't 
make, you know, all the answers 

706
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,960
to the universe. 
It doesn't make that. 

707
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520
We tried to ask them that. 
We tried to ask them for the 

708
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,280
March Madness NCAA picks and 
they did me dirty on it. 

709
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,600
I did my bracket this year and I
absolutely got hammered. 

710
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,480
They picked. 
All the wrong. 

711
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Teams. 
It was a terrible choice, so 

712
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,320
yes. 
Never done brackets. 

713
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,360
We've oh, I love the brackets. 
It's my favorite thing, but it 

714
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,760
was anyway, yes. 
We sorry to interrupt you. 

715
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Go ahead. 
People are afraid of or of what 

716
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,200
they don't understand. 
So if they walk into, say the 

717
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,560
merchant's house and you know, 
they hear footsteps running down

718
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,840
the stairs. 
I've had people just. 

719
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,600
Turn around and walk right out. 
You don't walk in and walk right

720
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,400
out. 
I'm going put it, it's not that 

721
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,800
place. 
You know, you have to try and 

722
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,440
understand that, you know, we're
dealing with some nice people 

723
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480
and you know, they're people. 
Maybe they're having a bad day. 

724
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,320
You know, people talk about evil
spirits. 

725
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,920
And you know, if a guy's a 
Jackass when he's alive and he 

726
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,000
passes away and somehow he comes
back, odds are he's going to be 

727
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,680
a Jackass. 
He's he's not going to be. 

728
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,320
Yeah. 100%, yeah. 
Yeah. 

729
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,960
So, you know, maybe these evil 
entities, these demons which I 

730
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,400
don't buy into, maybe, maybe 
these people were just Dicks 

731
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,120
when before they died, you know?
Yeah. 

732
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Dan, look, Dan, you are speaking
my language. 

733
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,000
Right on, man. 
You are speaking my language. 

734
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,400
I can again dealing with the 
social media aspect of it. 

735
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,320
You know a bunch of people in 
the chat. 

736
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,160
People are always screaming 
demons, people are always 

737
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,280
screaming all this wild stuff. 
And it's like I, I like to call 

738
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,040
it paranature almost, you know, 
like it's, it's a, it's a form 

739
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,440
of nature we yet understand. 
Yeah, paranormal is a is a 

740
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,920
terrible word. 
You know, I mean, it, it, it's, 

741
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,360
it's beyond normal, you know, 
that's what it translates to. 

742
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,280
But when people say something 
about paranormal, it it 

743
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,920
immediately conjures up got to 
get The Conjuring word in there.

744
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,080
It really like brings up evil, 
you know, paranormal activity, 

745
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
all these scary movies when it's
just something we haven't 

746
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,840
figured out yet. 
It it doesn't have to be scary. 

747
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,920
I've, I've gone on investigation
on 29th St. in a an old 

748
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,800
warehouse and I got creeped out,
man. 

749
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,720
I, you know, we, we had set 
cameras up to let run for like 

750
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,320
an hour, hour and a half. 
We were going to go get 

751
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,160
something to eat and and I 
forgot my phone, right? 

752
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,080
I hate phones. 
I hate these frigging phones. 

753
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,040
You're tied to them. 
And so I was like, I know I got 

754
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,640
to go up and go get my damn 
phone. 

755
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,560
And, and I was walking across it
was the whole floor of a 

756
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,760
building on 29th St. and I was 
walking to where our stuff was 

757
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,720
to go get my phone. 
And I just got creeped out. 

758
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,440
I was like, man, something bad 
is going to happen right now. 

759
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,000
And part of me was like, time to
go. 

760
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,640
But part of me is like, you know
what? 

761
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
You got to stay. 
You got to stay to see if 

762
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,360
something happens. 
And I was, I, I was shaking. 

763
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,000
I was so sure something was 
going to happen and nothing. 

764
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Did you know, I texted the guys 
that said, man, something's 

765
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,480
brewing up here. 
I'll, I'll see you guys in like 

766
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
15 minutes, half an hour. 
Nothing happened. 

767
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,040
Nothing happened. 
But I got really, really 

768
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,960
spooked. 
And it's difficult to, as an 

769
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,200
investigator to kind of put all 
to not be influenced by a 

770
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,120
feeling, a creepy feeling. 
Who knows what happened. 

771
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,080
Maybe it was a little EMF was 
bugging me out, I don't know. 

772
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,440
But but you have to put all that
stuff out and say I'm just here 

773
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,160
to collect data, you know, I'm 
going to, I got this creepy 

774
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,640
feeling. 
What time was it? 

775
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,440
What was the temperature? 
What was the barometric 

776
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,600
pressure? 
All that stuff. 

777
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,120
And you got a data log, all that
stuff to see if there's any kind

778
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,360
of patterns or, or correlations 
with, with, you know, the, the 

779
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,720
gigabytes of, of information 
that I have on my computers 

780
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:08,680
here. 
So, so Dan, let let me, let me 

781
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,680
ask you this, because when I, 
when I document, I don't even, I

782
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,960
don't even consider myself an 
investigator at this point. 

783
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,440
I'm, I'm more on the 
documentation side of things. 

784
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,560
When I choose places, the 
document, I, I go for history 

785
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,080
and it doesn't even, and it 
doesn't even have to be popular 

786
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,600
history like where I'm at right 
now was the factory that started

787
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,840
in 1865. 
And you know nothing, you know 

788
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,080
nothing crazy will happen. 
I've spoken to spirits here, 1 

789
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,600
spirit in particular named Peter
and very prevalent, always 

790
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200
talking about money, always 
talking about working. 

791
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,640
And when I asked management 
about it, I said, hey, do you 

792
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,920
guys know any, any Peter that 
worked here? 

793
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,880
They, they turned pale. 
They turned pale. 

794
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,400
They said we had a, a bad 
experience with a Peter here 

795
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,960
that was a, a maintenance guy 
that worked here all his life 

796
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,920
and he felt like he was being 
robbed and he tried to break 

797
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
into our office and then he fell
to his death. 

798
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,720
And I mean, they turned. 
I wish I had the reaction. 

799
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,800
They turned pale and then I said
that name. 

800
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,800
Kathy felt that we have our 
Kathy Nadal in Yeah. 

801
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Oh, Kathy, she's amazing. 
Yeah. 

802
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,240
And she? 
Was like brought up, she's like,

803
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,560
I'm seeing splat. 
I'm seeing this. 

804
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
And it was about, you know, like
the guy who fell from the wind. 

805
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,720
It's was I'm getting chills 
thinking about it. 

806
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,200
To be honest. 
Because that's weird. 

807
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,600
That was. 
Really crazy stuff. 

808
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Yeah. 
So, so that's what I'm saying. 

809
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,880
So what would would you say that
history plays a big role and 

810
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,000
even like micro history, like a 
place that had just a lot of 

811
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,360
people or a lot of emotion or, 
you know, just a lot of living 

812
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,600
in it, if you will, whether it 
was work or home. 

813
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,680
Sure would would that give more 
of an opportunity for some kind 

814
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,120
of haunting, either an 
apparitional or like a place 

815
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,400
memory type of haunting? 
Well, yeah, sure, sure. 

816
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,680
You know, the, you know, the 
more you know, you go fishing in

817
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,560
a, in a, in a pond that was just
created and there's no fish, 

818
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,960
you're not going to catch 
anything when you go fishing, 

819
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,360
You know, you go fishing out in 
the Long Island Sound, you know,

820
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,320
odds are you're going to catch 
something not every time, but, 

821
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
but you might not want to eat it
either, said you. 

822
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,240
Might not want to eat it either.
Yeah, oh, the Long Island Sound.

823
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,640
I my dad was a fisherman and 
when that's all we ate was out 

824
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560
of the sound. 
How nice. 

825
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,320
That's why he can hear ghosts 
now. 

826
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,040
It's you. 
Know, Dan, one thing you do that

827
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040
I definitely want to bring up 
and John, I think this is a good

828
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,800
person for advice. 
You visit a lot of theaters. 

829
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Yeah. 
From the Ed Sullivan Theater to 

830
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,760
the Belasco Theater. 
You know what? 

831
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Let me see. 
So you know, what is it about? 

832
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,480
What is it about a a stage or a 
movie house? 

833
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,120
Why do you think that has, you 
know, that kind of energy? 

834
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,040
What attracts you to the theater
for this? 

835
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,360
OK, well, you know, when I moved
to the city, like you said in 

836
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,040
that really cool intro, thank 
you. 

837
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,520
I went to the American Academy 
of Dramatic Arts and I was I, I 

838
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,320
made my way as an actor in New 
York City for a long, long time.

839
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,880
And, you know, doing those silly
commercials, which afforded me 

840
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,440
to be able to do lots of theater
where you don't get paid. 

841
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:40,280
And like experimental theater, 
new theater actors are, are, are

842
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,240
hate actors. 
They're, yeah, they're 

843
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,280
narcissists and whatever. 
Let's not talk about it's a 

844
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,920
different podcast. 
But I, you know, I, I think 

845
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,280
there's a lot in a theatre. 
There's a lot of emotional 

846
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,440
energy, a lot of emotional 
energy. 

847
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,320
There's a lot of superstition in
theatre too. 

848
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,920
You don't say, you don't say 
Macbeth in a theatre, ghost 

849
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,080
lights. 
You leave a ghost light on. 

850
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,800
It's called a ghost light. 
It's not to keep ghosts away, to

851
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,720
keep the guy cleaning the 
theater from falling off the 

852
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,240
stage. 
That's what it's for and what 

853
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,600
people you know, it becomes a 
ghost light. 

854
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,400
So you, you, you said the 
Belasco Theater, which was 

855
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,200
haunted by David Belasco. 
It's a rite of passage for when 

856
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,320
there's a play in the in the 
house for the actors to sneak 

857
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,240
into his David Belasco's 
apartment. 

858
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,080
He had a duplex apartment above 
the theater. 

859
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,880
I got to spend the night in 
there. 

860
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,520
It's really, really creepy and 
really, really cool. 

861
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,880
And he was out of his mind. 
But it's a rite of passage for 

862
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,400
these actors to sneak into his 
into his apartment after the 

863
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,960
show and see how long they can 
spend up there. 

864
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,000
So, you know, there's a lot of 
folklore. 

865
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,800
Oh, you're going to get scared 
by David Belasco. 

866
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,960
You might punt into David. 
You might, you might what, you 

867
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,680
might just hear a rat knock 
something off a wall. 

868
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Suddenly that's paranormal and 
it freaks everybody out. 

869
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,080
But, you know, old buildings, 
the old architecture, there's 

870
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,040
lots of history to theaters, 
especially the big giant 

871
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,600
Broadway theaters in New York 
City. 

872
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,880
I, I don't know when the Belasco
Theatre was built, but it was, 

873
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,240
you know, in the early, early 
1900's, the first, first theater

874
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,640
in the first theater in the 
world. 

875
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,080
I had an elevator and they, they
had that so Houdini could 

876
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,440
disappear an elephant below the 
stage. 

877
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,440
And there was an elevator that 
would bring the young ingenues 

878
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,600
from backstage all the way up to
David Velasco's apartment where 

879
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,240
he had a grotto and a 
confessional. 

880
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,240
He used to dress, he called the 
Bishop of Broadway and he would 

881
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,760
dress as a priest and he would 
bring these girls into their 

882
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,160
confessional, hear all their 
sins, say, OK, you're all clean 

883
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,440
now and then take him out and 
then give him a whole bunch more

884
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,160
new sins to to confess next time
they come up. 

885
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800
He was a wild man. 
Wild man sounds pretty. 

886
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Sounds pretty gross the 1st. 
Yeah, yeah, the. 

887
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,520
Original Harvey Weinstein 
that's. 

888
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,080
Exactly what he was doing. 
Exactly. 

889
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Yeah, I. 
Mean that's that makes sense. 

890
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,080
So let you know what so we have 
in our, in our hometown, you 

891
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,840
know, in Westchester, the 
Capitol Theatre, right. 

892
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,480
And John has now been given 
access to go in there. 

893
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,520
What what's some advice you have
like what's your approach? 

894
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,120
What's the first thing you do 
when you approach a a theater to

895
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,320
to investigate or? 
To walk around, I try and get as

896
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,000
much history, I try and get 
somebody that's had an 

897
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,400
experience there, you know, an 
incredible experience you're 

898
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,840
going to bump into. 
Cause actors are actors. 

899
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Everyone's going to have an 
experience. 

900
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,760
But you find like a stagehand or
a stage manager who says, yeah, 

901
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,720
yeah, this happened to me. 
It's legit. 

902
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,280
There's weird stuff going on 
here. 

903
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,440
I would have that person on the 
investigation. 

904
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,400
I don't understand why. 
You know, when you go on an 

905
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,480
investigation, John, let's say, 
you know, you're having 

906
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,560
experiences in your home and you
call me in. 

907
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,240
I'm not going to tell you to 
leave. 

908
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,960
You're the one having 
experiences. 

909
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,600
They're attracted to them. 
Somehow Gary gets the hell. 

910
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Out of it. 
I put that thing on the market. 

911
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Exactly, exactly. 
The Capital is known for is is a

912
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,840
rock'n'roll theater, right? 
Like that's this. 

913
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,760
Is like you know some of the. 
Action shows up there. 

914
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,520
I've I've gone up there first. 
I think I thought of Black Rose 

915
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,400
up there. 
Yeah, yeah. 

916
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,760
You know, from Janis Joplin to, 
you know, it's, it's a famous, 

917
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,600
famous rock rock club. 
Yeah. 

918
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:24,440
In rock, Yeah. 
And. 

919
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,360
You know, theaters are 
mysterious. 

920
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,560
You know, there's, there's dark 
corners, there's strange 

921
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,040
shadows. 
There's backstage, there's where

922
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,800
the orchestra pit, the lighting 
booth, there's all kinds of 

923
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,000
little creepy places where where
you can go and, and, and just be

924
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,520
quiet. 
And Sullivan Theater was the 

925
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,920
coolest theater. 
I mean, it's Elvis performed 

926
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,920
there, The Beatles. 
But for me, the coolest place 

927
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,080
was on the top of the theater 
behind where they would just 

928
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:59,360
store all kinds of crap. 
And and I sat back there and I'm

929
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,520
not a person that feels spirits,
but I was like, this is where I 

930
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,960
should be. 
This is where I should be. 

931
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,800
I was supposed to like being on.
I was about to, I was about to 

932
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,320
ask you like where is the most 
energy? 

933
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Is it directed towards the stage
where they were or like where do

934
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,840
you think? 
That the, the energy is, is 

935
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,800
wherever you find it. 
And especially when you're 

936
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,600
dealing with like spiritual 
energy, you know, I, I try and 

937
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,480
filter that stuff out and not be
influenced by my feelings and 

938
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,280
just kind of go with what I'm 
collecting or watching all the 

939
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,360
other people. 
You know, when you go on an 

940
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,840
investigation, John, bring 
somebody who's never been on a 

941
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,160
paranormal investigation before,
'cause it's a whole different 

942
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,560
energy. 
And you know, maybe they're 

943
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,440
scared, maybe they're laughing, 
maybe they're having fun, maybe 

944
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,600
they think it's all BS. 
That energy is good. 

945
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Who knows? 
If you bring somebody in there 

946
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,480
and says, you know what, John, 
this is all bull crap, what's 

947
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,920
the spirits going to say? 
Oh yeah, watch this. 

948
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,720
Who knows what's going to 
happen? 

949
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,360
I again, like I told you, I used
to powerlift and I would go to 

950
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,120
the gym and, and for a long, 
long time, I didn't tell anybody

951
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,760
that I did this. 
And you know, around Halloween 

952
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,040
time, the Daily News or one of 
the newspapers would want to do 

953
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,200
something and they'll do a 
Google search, come up with me 

954
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,360
and suddenly I'm in the paper. 
And so, so one Halloween where 

955
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,720
I'm training, working out and, 
you know, these big giant guys, 

956
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,280
300 and 43150 LB power lifters 
go, is that you? 

957
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,200
They go, yeah. 
And they're like, is that real? 

958
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,520
You go, well, come on, I got 
keys to the, I got keys to the 

959
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,400
place. 
Let's go. 

960
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,160
And we'll go in there and you 
hear a door slam upstairs and 

961
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,480
they'll go, who's upstairs? 
I go, why don't you go take a 

962
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,040
look, big boy? 
And they're like, no way. 

963
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,000
I'm not going up there. 
It seems, you know, it seems not

964
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,440
that it happens on command, but 
it seems like just spirits, at 

965
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,040
least at the merchant's house, 
play along. 

966
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,640
Dan, I got a couple more 
questions for you. 

967
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,600
You've been a great guest. 
I really appreciate your time. 

968
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Have have any of your 
investigations and I and you may

969
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,040
have answered this, but like, 
you know, in certain things have

970
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,840
the reactions or the 
interactions rather with the 

971
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,080
spirits felt very personal or 
impactful. 

972
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,880
You know, did was it like 
really, did you feel this was 

973
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,160
directed to Dan Sturgis for your
benefit? 

974
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,280
Again, you know, like, like I 
just said about actors, I was an

975
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,320
actor. 
So of course, I think 

976
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,760
everything's for my benefit. 
And but, you know, I'm trying to

977
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,040
think, I believe sometimes some 
of the stuff at at the 

978
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,000
Merchant's house, in particular 
that story I just told you. 

979
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,880
I thought that was for me. 
Like, all right, Dad, we'll, 

980
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,360
we'll, we're going to throw you 
a bone and scare the crap out of

981
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:57,440
this big gigantic guy. 
Probably the most meaningful 

982
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:07,640
interaction I had and it was 
with my grandmother and you 

983
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,880
know, I had had a really big 
back surgery and I don't know if

984
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,920
any of you guys have had like a 
major surgery, but the recovery 

985
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,040
after that, a major surgery 
really messes with your head and

986
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,080
you get low self esteem. 
And you know, I couldn't, I 

987
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,680
couldn't do anything. 
I have people pick up my laundry

988
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,600
and no, and I'm not that guy. 
I'm used to doing things on my 

989
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,600
own. 
So I was feeling really down 

990
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,800
about myself and went to sleep 
one night in my living room and,

991
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,520
and, and this was a dream. 
It was 100% dream. 

992
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,880
My grandmother came in from the 
kitchen into the living room. 

993
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,320
The first thing she said was 
don't be afraid. 

994
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
She told me she's in heaven with
Cha Cha, who was her little 

995
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,040
Chihuahua and and with her 
husband and her family. 

996
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,040
And she gave me a pep talk. 
She said, listen, you, you, you 

997
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,520
got to keep doing this, you 
know, don't give up. 

998
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,480
She gave me a pep talk and it 
was great. 

999
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,320
And she said exactly what I 
needed to hear. 

1000
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,520
It was a dream, 100% dream. 
But I think she came to me in my

1001
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,800
dream. 
And when she left, after she 

1002
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,360
gave me this pep talk, she got 
up off the chair in my living 

1003
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,000
room, walked past me into the 
kitchen where it was dark. 

1004
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,480
And that's the entrance of the 
apartment. 

1005
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,440
But when I woke up and I didn't 
wake up because I was sleeping, 

1006
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,200
I was on one elbow and I was 
turned and I was looking into 

1007
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,880
the kitchen. 
So in my sleep I trapped her, 

1008
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,600
you know, going into the 
kitchen. 

1009
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:40,040
So was did she come to me? 
Because that's the only way she 

1010
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,880
had available to come to me was 
when I was in a dream state. 

1011
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Your mind is running on a 
different frequency when you're 

1012
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,040
dreaming. 
And was it easier for me for 

1013
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,680
easier for grandma to 
communicate with me through a 

1014
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,680
dream rather than manifesting 
or, or doing something that I 

1015
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,240
might not even, you know, 
register to me? 

1016
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,600
I miss most of the paranormal 
things that happened around me. 

1017
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,280
I'm like, oh, that was real. 
That was nobody came up the 

1018
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,160
stairs. 
So that was really meaningful 

1019
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,560
for me. 
And, and I was telling my mom 

1020
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,600
about it the next day it 
happened, you know, like after 

1021
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,720
midnight, I'll tell my mom, come
on, the craziest dream. 

1022
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Grandma came to visit me, told 
me all this stuff. 

1023
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,240
And it was Grandma's careful 
about. 

1024
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,880
That wait a second, Dan, 
someone's another spirit's being

1025
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,160
made, we think, and it's sort of
drowning you out. 

1026
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,920
It's so active around here, it's
not funny. 

1027
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,240
So when I was telling my mom 
about this and she said when you

1028
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:37,840
have this dream, I said I had it
this morning at like 2 o'clock 

1029
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,600
3:00 in the morning, you know, 
in the middle of the night and 

1030
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,360
she was doing today's grandma's 
birthday after midnight. 

1031
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,920
It was Grandma's birthday, so, 
you know, did she? 

1032
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,520
I, I'm, I'm going to say, yeah, 
she came to visit me and that's 

1033
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,880
how she chose to visit me. 
You know, Grandma and I were 

1034
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,120
very, very tight and, and, and 
she was a person I needed to 

1035
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,480
hear from. 
And she said the things I needed

1036
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,960
to hear. 
Did that make that all up in my 

1037
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,120
mind and, and, and give it an 
avatar, which happened to be 

1038
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,760
Grandma? 
Maybe. 

1039
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,280
But what's the difference? 
You know what's the difference? 

1040
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,360
Right. 
And you know, with that, I mean,

1041
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:20,320
is it what's you look at that at
that event and write you, you 

1042
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,520
analyze it and you sort of I, I 
assume now, because you've been 

1043
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,840
doing this so long, a lot of 
events now you look at them and 

1044
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,880
analyze them. 
What, what other, you know, what

1045
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,720
are some of you know, your 
personal beliefs have how they 

1046
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,080
evolved as a result of being in 
this paranormal game for so 

1047
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,840
long. 
You know what, what is what, 

1048
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,000
what is the how, what's that 
look like, you know, for you 

1049
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,080
now? 
And where do you think it's 

1050
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,640
going for you? 
You know I'm. 

1051
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Really, really love dealing with
psychic mediums like Kathy and, 

1052
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,120
and I've got a couple that I 
work with, you know, like, 

1053
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,600
unfortunately, see Kathy, when 
you're dealing with a medium, a 

1054
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:01,440
psychic medium, it's, you could 
fall into a trap and, and become

1055
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,240
like best pals with this person 
cuz you're going on 

1056
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,360
investigations with them. 
And, and you shouldn't. 

1057
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,960
I am, I am best pals with this 
medium who, who I brought to the

1058
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,600
merchant's house for the very 
first time. 

1059
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,480
And I didn't believe in psychic 
mediums. 

1060
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,360
I live in New York City. 
There's more psychos and 

1061
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,200
psychics out there. 
And, and, and I wasn't buying 

1062
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,520
into it. 
I met so many freaking weirdos 

1063
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,920
in New York City who were 
telling me that they're psychic 

1064
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,880
and I'm psychic and, you know, 
OK, whatever, you know, you're 

1065
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,240
not. 
But so I was against all that in

1066
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,480
the very beginning. 
And I meant 2 and one was a 

1067
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,480
gentleman named Richard 
Scholler, who I'm still very, 

1068
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,440
very close with. 
And another was like an 8 year 

1069
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,120
old girl who I was doing. 
I was shooting an episode of ATV

1070
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,800
pilot with Lloyd and, and she 
was on the set and she was a 

1071
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,000
medium we were using. 
She was a little girl and she 

1072
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,480
was pulling stuff out that 
there's no way she could know. 

1073
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,400
No way she could know. 
I had to go back and ask my mom,

1074
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,000
you know, did, did, did Dad's 
parents sent him away, Send him 

1075
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,240
away when he was a little boy. 
And she was like, yeah, he 

1076
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,640
doesn't talk about it. 
This little girl brought it up, 

1077
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,560
you know which? 
Talking to a spirit or, you 

1078
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,240
know, I've got my dad's DNA in 
me. 

1079
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,760
Was she getting it from me? 
I don't know, you know. 

1080
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,720
It's it's funny you bring that 
up because one thing you know 

1081
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,360
that we talk about here is the 
my theories on spirits, because 

1082
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,160
I do deviate from the norm, the 
normal ideas. 

1083
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:35,640
I believe that, you know, when 
we die, our consciousness, it 

1084
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,640
has no vessel anymore. 
It go, it spreads. 

1085
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,320
So for example, when someone 
says to me, hey, John, my 

1086
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,520
grandmother came to me in a 
dream, I turn around and I say, 

1087
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,880
I don't think they did. 
I don't think they ever left 

1088
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,400
you. 
I think that you got some of 

1089
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,960
that consciousness in you. 
And for most people that are 

1090
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,600
normal, the only way they can 
access you is in dreams. 

1091
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,840
Now, other people are sometimes 
luckier. 

1092
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
They'll hear the the sound of 
like their mother, father, 

1093
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,760
grandparents calling them or 
they'll smell them. 

1094
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,720
Like one person I know was like,
it's funny. 

1095
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,040
Was like, hey. 
You know, my father always smelt

1096
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,320
a certain way after work, you 
know. 

1097
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,080
Great. 
Like a martini, Yeah. 

1098
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,960
You know, just like he smelled. 
He smelled like menthol 

1099
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,280
cigarettes cools. 
And hookers. 

1100
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,440
He smelled, he smelled like 
cools and. 

1101
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,320
And and coconut body oil. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1102
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,960
And. 
Motor oil and everything, like, 

1103
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,000
'cause he worked in a garage and
he was over smoking pools and 

1104
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,440
then all the sudden like they'll
get hit with that smell. 

1105
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,840
Yeah. 
And they're like, where does 

1106
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,200
that even come from? 
And I think there could be a 

1107
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,960
scientific explanation to that. 
Sure. 

1108
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Sure, sure. 
Maybe. 

1109
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Maybe when your father passed, 
some of that energy went to you.

1110
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,080
And we kind of see a little bit 
of this. 

1111
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,880
And I don't know if you've ever 
like read the studies of people 

1112
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,840
who had organ transplants. 
Like they get like a heart from 

1113
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,320
somebody and the next thing you 
know, they start developing the 

1114
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,360
tastes of the that person, 
memories of that person, like 

1115
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,880
wild stuff like that. 
Weird connections with people 

1116
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,360
they never had. 
Hey, I had AI, had I? 

1117
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,960
I got a crazy one for you. 
I had a friend of mine. 

1118
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,560
I love it. 
I love, I love it. 

1119
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Yeah, a friend of mine had a son
from a previous marriage and and

1120
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,000
the kid was like I guess at the 
time 10/11/12 years old and 

1121
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,080
lived with his mom but spent a 
lot of time with his dad. 

1122
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,400
Anyway his dad, my buddy started
dating a girl who was from 

1123
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,320
Russia and this kid met her for 
the first time. 

1124
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,320
He was staying with his dad, 
woke up the next day and could 

1125
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,120
speak Russian. 
And this kid is Japanese, you 

1126
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,840
know, and, and he could speak 
Russian and he had a song. 

1127
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,720
He, he sang it to me and my 
buddy did a bunch of research 

1128
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,480
and it turns out that this song 
that he was singing it, it's was

1129
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,160
like a very an early version of 
their like would be Star 

1130
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,680
Spangled Banner, but from like 
100 years ago. 

1131
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,880
He's like, nobody knows this 
version of this song, but this 

1132
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,360
kid was like, I know the song 
and you can still speak Russian.

1133
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,320
And, you know, he's talked to 
people that speak Russian and 

1134
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,800
they go, yeah, you're speaking 
like a Russian and not like 

1135
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,800
somebody who learned Russian, 
you know, book studied Russian. 

1136
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,880
But you, you're talking slang, 
you know, and it's old English, 

1137
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,480
you know, like old Russian 
slang. 

1138
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,040
So, so, yeah. 
You know, I, I think we're, we, 

1139
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,520
we've got so much in this. 
I've got, you know, I, I've got,

1140
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,160
you know, my, my parents, my 
family, all their DNA is in me. 

1141
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,040
You Walker, especially New York 
City, you're breathing in dead 

1142
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,160
skin cells from somebody else. 
Who knows if you're going to be 

1143
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,840
able to pick up some of some of 
their traits. 

1144
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,320
Bro you should start hanging out
on Wall Street then I would like

1145
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,120
to get some. 
Like if I get an organ. 

1146
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,800
Like a Lehman Brothers organ or 
someone in investment banking. 

1147
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,760
Hopefully some of those memories
will stick with stick with me. 

1148
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,960
You know what I mean? 
I wake up one day and just get 

1149
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,440
I. 
Don't know if it's Lehman 

1150
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,160
Brothers you want, but have an 
instinct, right? 

1151
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Right. 
Have an instinct for some stocks

1152
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,400
and how to play it a little 
better, you know what I mean? 

1153
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,680
That's so funny. 
That's so funny. 

1154
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,360
Dan, look, it's, it's a real 
pleasure. 

1155
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,520
You're a wealth of knowledge and
a wealth of experience, you 

1156
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,880
know, and it's fun to hear your 
perspective on how you look at 

1157
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,440
it and your approach. 
And it's, you know, the more 

1158
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,360
it's what's really, I find 
fascinating, being new to all 

1159
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:40,480
this, the more I speak to 
experienced paranormal 

1160
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,480
investigators or experienced 
mediums or scientists, they are 

1161
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,880
not like, you know, they're on 
the John's wavelength, you know,

1162
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,720
in terms of how they look at 
things. 

1163
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,320
And it's like there really is a 
very objective perspective on 

1164
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,760
what spirits are, a belief in 
them for sure. 

1165
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,760
But it's not, I have, I haven't 
come across yet. 

1166
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,360
And I'm sure I will. 
And I'm kind of looking forward 

1167
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,200
to it, to be honest with you. 
Someone who's been around a long

1168
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,360
time, who finds it very evil. 
I like those people. 

1169
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,320
They make me laugh a lot. 
But it's like, you know, it's 

1170
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,760
like just like the demonologists
or the curses and the spear and 

1171
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,440
the but. 
I was at a conference couple 

1172
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,280
years ago and and, you know, I 
don't buy into the demonology 

1173
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,600
and that's not my bag. 
You know, it's, it's, that's 

1174
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,760
religion and, and you know, I'm,
I'm, I'm more about, you know, 

1175
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,080
trying to figure things out and 
not having the faith I want to. 

1176
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,520
Dan, Dan, I am sorry to cut you 
off. 

1177
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:42,000
The more you speak, the more and
more I like you. 

1178
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,520
You are awesome dude. 
Are we going to be life 

1179
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,520
partners, John? 
I think we best friends 

1180
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,040
partners. 
I can feel it normal. 

1181
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,640
Life Partners Man is coming. 
We might be best friends. 

1182
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,800
You guys got to hang. 
It's like John. 

1183
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,440
Look, John is not. 
He is not, as you say, he's not 

1184
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,080
an investigator. 
He likes to go out there and do 

1185
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:09,280
his thing and have conversations
and sort of learn by doing this,

1186
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,800
you know, not. 
And you don't have to become a 

1187
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,800
paranormal investigator. 
You know, I take my friends, I, 

1188
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,680
if I'm doing an investigation, 
sit down at the house and hey, 

1189
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,520
what are you doing Friday night?
What are you doing Saturday 

1190
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,960
night? 
You want to, want to have a cool

1191
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,480
night and hold a recorder and 
then, you know, I'll buy you a 

1192
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,800
beer afterwards. 
And, and it's, it's fun, you 

1193
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,520
know, and, and you know, you 
don't have to be, I said, you 

1194
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,240
don't have to take any of the 
data log or anything like that. 

1195
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,200
It just come and have fun 
because it's, it's an energy, 

1196
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,320
you know, that you're, you're 
giving out to the spirits and 

1197
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,520
you know, if you're a spirit, 
because we, we've already 

1198
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,920
established these are just 
people without a body, right? 

1199
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Would you call it a meat sack? 
And and that's great. 

1200
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,840
This is, this is the bar room 
logic. 

1201
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,360
It's the bar room. 
Logic of it, right? 

1202
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,080
We're not. 
John is. 

1203
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,120
John is raw in terms of his 
every, every theory and all of 

1204
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,560
his things. 
Sure, he's read a couple of 

1205
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,120
things, but he's basing his 
right. 

1206
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,400
And correct me if I'm wrong, 
John, you're basing everything 

1207
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,720
you've come to through the way 
you categorize things is because

1208
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,760
of all of the evidence that 
you've accumulated. 

1209
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,840
Am I wrong in saying that, John?
I mean. 

1210
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,240
It's like his theories. 
Are his own he didn't study 

1211
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,080
under Lloyd I don't even think 
John knew who Lloyd was until I 

1212
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,000
introduced you know, until I 
until I told him I was 

1213
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,480
interviewing him, you know so 
it's. 

1214
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,960
Like the only thing, the only 
thing I I've heard the name 

1215
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,760
before and the only thing that I
knew about him was that he was 

1216
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,320
into chocolate. 
Oh yeah. 

1217
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,360
Oh man, that's. 
It because I've heard of that. 

1218
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,000
I've heard of him before and I'm
like. 

1219
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,520
Wait, bacon wasabi chocolate? 
That's what Lloyd makes. 

1220
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,440
Bacon wasabi chocolate. 
Oh. 

1221
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,840
I love wasabi. 
Yeah, right. 

1222
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,400
So, Dan, I'm I'm so sorry I cut 
you off before with your 

1223
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:52,880
thought. 
What? 

1224
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,840
What were you? 
You were you were talking about?

1225
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,080
What were you saying? 
I wanted to hear what you were. 

1226
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,160
Saying, oh, we were talking 
about, you know, about like the 

1227
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,600
approach when you go on an 
investigation and no. 

1228
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,480
No, with the the demonologist. 
With the demonology, yeah, OK, 

1229
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,240
yeah, yeah, it's, it's again, 
like I said, it's not my bag, 

1230
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,840
but I was at this, I was at this
conference in somewhere in 

1231
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,800
Pennsylvania and. 
And I went to go listen to a 

1232
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,760
demonologist and because it 
would be a cool lecture to go 

1233
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,960
see, right. 
And the lecture he was giving 

1234
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,320
was great. 
And I didn't want to be the 

1235
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,680
asshole on the back ass and 
trying, you know, giving him a 

1236
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,320
gotcha question or anything like
that. 

1237
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,680
That's not. 
Yeah. 

1238
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,840
And and, you know, he probably 
could have just buried me 

1239
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,360
anyway. 
This guy's been around forever. 

1240
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,680
But, you know, he said, OK, 
you're on. 

1241
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,400
Oh, my God, I got another creepy
story to tell you. 

1242
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,000
You're you're on our radar, OK? 
He told us. 

1243
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,880
There's 300 people in this, in 
this auditorium. 

1244
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:01,400
The devil knows you're all here 
and he's going to send his 

1245
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,720
minions to check you out and see
if you're a candidate for 

1246
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,800
oppression. 
Because they want to oppress 

1247
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,040
you, possess you, and then they 
want you to die. 

1248
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,600
They want you to kill yourself, 
which is the biggest affront you

1249
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,439
can do to God is commit suicide,
which I don't believe but. 

1250
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,920
Yeah, I would say that's not it.
Yeah, and, and but, you know, I 

1251
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,640
was back in my I was back in my 
hotel room thinking about these 

1252
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,880
little minions running around 
checking me out, going this is 

1253
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,120
kind of creepy. 
But then I started thinking, why

1254
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,000
did I wait till I was? 
How come I had to wait till I 

1255
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,920
was in my 40s to find this out? 
You know, like don't use a Ouija

1256
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,279
board. 
Really. 

1257
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,520
Shouldn't they tell you that, 
you know, early on, if it's 

1258
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,479
going to be, you know, demon 
possessed, why are they selling 

1259
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,439
it at Kmart? 
Why are they selling? 

1260
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,160
I just bought a spirit board at 
at Target for clearance for 499.

1261
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,600
You know what all you want, 
nothing bad's gonna happen. 

1262
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,279
Nothing. 
I've interviewed. 

1263
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,520
I've interviewed the guy. 
And I believe they're for ages 8

1264
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:04,439
and up. 
Let's. 

1265
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,120
Just be clear. 
Exactly, it says it on the box. 

1266
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,040
Yeah, you shouldn't be afraid of
something you could find at a 

1267
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,600
garage sale. 
Yeah, and but I talked to the. 

1268
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,479
I called the factory where they 
build them, which is up in, 

1269
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,160
well, it was in Salem, MA And 
and I talked to the guy that I 

1270
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,560
guess runs the plant and and I 
said, just can you just answer 

1271
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,040
me one question? 
He goes, yeah. 

1272
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,359
I said, what stage of the 
process do you put the magic in?

1273
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,560
Because apparently it's magic. 
You know, it's late board 

1274
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,760
plastic and a brass pen. 
And that's going to open a 

1275
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,960
portal to hell. 
Come on, that's wonderful. 

1276
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,160
Tattoo a Ouija board on my back 
and go to the scariest place 

1277
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,439
ever and nothing would happen. 
Oh. 

1278
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,279
That's wonderful. 
Now I just got a visual. 

1279
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:57,400
I just got a visual of Dan with 
the Ouija board on his back, 

1280
01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:59,400
right? 
And a bunch of people like, you 

1281
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,800
know, covered over. 
You with the plant yet? 

1282
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,080
Like finding that I told you 
that story and I gave you what I

1283
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,680
I, I told you like all that 
stuff and and demonology is not 

1284
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:10,920
my bag. 
I respect. 

1285
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:15,160
I respect the people that that 
practice that and and and use 

1286
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,000
that. 
Not my thing. 

1287
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,400
Well, to be honest with you, 
Dan, and I'm going to, I'm going

1288
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,040
to say this and it's going to be
very polarized. 

1289
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:28,400
I have a big gripe with both 
religion and spiritualism. 

1290
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,960
When it comes to any sort of 
investigations. 

1291
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,480
I think the best way to look at 
it is through a logical lens and

1292
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:39,880
leave religion and spiritualism 
out, at least in the beginning. 

1293
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,200
If you're if you're documenting 
or investigating a place, I 

1294
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,920
believe those I've seen those 
things just. 

1295
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,720
Absolutely. 
Loud people's minds and. 

1296
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,720
Just. 
To be clear, when you say 

1297
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,200
spiritualism, it's not sort of. 
You mean more religious? 

1298
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,800
Religious lens not. 
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1299
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,680
Well, while I'm talking about 
when I, when I, you know, when I

1300
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,360
mean spiritualism, I mean the 
wannabe mediums and psychics, 

1301
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,080
not the credited ones, but ones 
that, you know, the wannabe, you

1302
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,840
know, the wannabes, and there's 
tons of them. 

1303
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,040
What was the word that Claire 
vagueness. 

1304
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:18,680
Claire vagueness, right? 
And also just like the, you 

1305
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,800
know, as I like to joke around 
on my live streams, crystals, 

1306
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,800
Jesus, salt and sage, you know, 
like, like that whole like keep 

1307
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:33,080
it away from me, keep it away. 
Deathbed apparitions, right? 

1308
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,080
When they, it's when somebody 
passes away and, you know, they 

1309
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,400
come and they check on family or
loved ones just to make sure 

1310
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,440
that they're OK. 
And, you know, that's why people

1311
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,120
will say, oh, you know, he died,
you know, the day before he came

1312
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,320
to visit me the next day. 
Deathbed apparition usually 

1313
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:54,640
happens within 72 hours, right? 
So on the third day, he rose 

1314
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,960
again. 
How many hours is the third day?

1315
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,760
It's 72 hours, so you know, your
religion is based on the biggest

1316
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,480
paranormal event that probably 
has ever happened. 

1317
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,880
So you can't other girls break 
up with me because that I'm 

1318
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,640
going to hell, you know? 
Zombie zombie. 

1319
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,200
Jesus, we can have fun right now
and then, you know, take off 

1320
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,760
when I go to hell. 
But yeah, people get so wrapped 

1321
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,680
up in that. 
And those are the people that 

1322
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,720
are close minded, you know, and,
and I've got to tell you this 

1323
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,360
demonology story because it's 
stuck in my. 

1324
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,600
Head let's let's close it on a 
on a great one. 

1325
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,640
Let's hear. 
All right, so so you know, I 

1326
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,360
told you guys want to be want to
be actor and and I wanted to 

1327
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,520
write a play, right? 
What's the scariest movie you 

1328
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:43,520
guys have ever seen? 
I'm. 

1329
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,400
Going to say this is. 
Probably The Shining. 

1330
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:53,000
Shining exercise for me, yeah. 
For me it's a toss up between 

1331
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,600
the classic BLOB. 
Right. 

1332
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,000
Because that was just awesome 
when I was a child. 

1333
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,120
And Night of the the Creeps, 
which is the one with those 

1334
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,040
little black, you know, like 
slug things that turn people 

1335
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,080
into Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

1336
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,360
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So. 

1337
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,680
But what's, what's the scariest 
play you've ever seen? 

1338
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,000
Nobody's got an answer. 
There's no scary play. 

1339
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,680
So I was like, you know what? 
I'm going to write a scary, you 

1340
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,440
write about what? 
You know, I'm like, I know 

1341
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,320
theater. 
I know this kind of stuff. 

1342
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,160
Let's put them together, write a
scary play. 

1343
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,040
And it was turning into like an 
exorcist type of thing. 

1344
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,640
And I said, let me call a friend
of mine who's a demonologist in 

1345
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Texas. 
And I called him up and I said, 

1346
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,680
listen, man, I don't want to. 
I don't want it to seem like I'm

1347
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,600
making fun of this or if I think
it's bullshit or anything like 

1348
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:41,400
that, What how do I approach 
this and not in a disrespectful 

1349
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,720
way to you or the OR, or other 
demonologists Because you know, 

1350
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,400
I don't want to. 
I don't want to, you know, shit 

1351
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,720
on anybody. 
So, so, so he was like, no, Dan,

1352
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,200
it sounds cool and I'll be there
opening night and all this and 

1353
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:53,800
all that. 
He said. 

1354
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,960
But listen, Dan, can I call you 
like an hour? 

1355
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,200
I was just going to run to the 
walk in clinic. 

1356
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,440
I got a really bad headache. 
He had a stroke and died. 

1357
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,720
Now he was telling me, Dan, we 
got to be careful because the 

1358
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,280
demons know that we're having 
this conversation and they're 

1359
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,120
going to be really upset with 
me. 

1360
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:15,160
Really, really upset with me. 
They're critics. 

1361
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,520
I have to be careful. 
And I was like, yeah, OK, all 

1362
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,120
right, Thinking, no, no, you 
don't. 

1363
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,320
And then he never called me 
back. 

1364
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,480
And I was like, what the hell, 
man? 

1365
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,120
The next day, I see a Facebook 
post from his daughter saying, 

1366
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,720
my dad passed away unexpectedly 
last night. 

1367
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,200
And I was like, oh, my God. 
I hope that wasn't because of 

1368
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,920
the conversation we were having.
And I just killed my friend. 

1369
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,000
That's that's quite the review 
your play got before it was even

1370
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,000
written. 
It killed man. 

1371
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,720
It killed it. 
Killed the. 

1372
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,560
Pleasure. 
If we're going to hell, we're 

1373
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,120
laughing about Oh my. 
God, Dan there. 

1374
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,080
Dan, thank you, thank you. 
Thank you so much for your time.

1375
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:56,920
It was. 
A real man. 

1376
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,080
My pleasure guys. 
A lot of. 

1377
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:01,760
Pleasure. 
That's it, man. 

1378
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,200
Thank you. 
I'm I really? 

1379
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,840
We're so close to each other, we
got to link up. 

1380
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,400
Absolutely. 
And and I want to get you down 

1381
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,640
to the house too, if you ever 
want to do one of your live 

1382
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,000
streams or something at the 
house, at a real fucking house. 

1383
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:18,920
100% hundred. 
Percent. 

1384
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,920
Yeah. 
Awesome. 

1385
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,400
It'll be fun guys, I'll. 
Hook you guys up. 

1386
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,320
I will, absolutely. 
Put your your e-mail together. 

1387
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,640
Yeah, because I'm, I'm pretty 
sure John's my new life partner.

1388
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,040
Yeah, yeah. 
Hey, awesome, Dan. 

1389
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,840
What do good looking guys have? 
Beards, right? 

1390
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,640
Yeah. 
Come on, Settle. 

1391
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:37,360
Down. 
Sorry, sorry be so. 

1392
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,360
Jealous. 
Come on, Yeah, you got hair too,

1393
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,640
so. 
Not much, that's why do you 

1394
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:43,920
think I wear this thing to 
cover? 

1395
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,440
That yeah, I'm going to have to 
get a big one. 

1396
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,880
Big the Bush gun. 
Dan, I appreciate you so much. 

1397
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,560
I appreciate you guys and keep 
up the great work man, keep up 

1398
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,800
the great work man, and and you 
know, good for you guys. 

1399
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,880
I'm, I'm so happy for all all 
your success with this. 

1400
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:02,400
It's great. 
Yeah. 

1401
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:03,880
Thank you. 
Appreciate it. 

1402
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:05,800
That was great. 
I mean, it was really fun, 

1403
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,960
right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1404
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,320
Oh yeah. 
Great guest. 

1405
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,400
You know, he remind, I mean, I 
feel like that's, you know, I 

1406
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,440
don't know how old Dan is, but 
you know, he's probably like 

1407
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,240
maybe, but it's like, you know, 
you can see your future a little

1408
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,200
bit. 
In terms of investigating. 

1409
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:24,120
Yeah, well, you know, he's just.
He's very you could tell he's 

1410
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,160
he's he has a very logical 
approach. 

1411
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,720
So you know, to just everything 
he speaks about and you know 

1412
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,960
what he does. 
And I mean that's, you know, I 

1413
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,400
very much the same as far as 
logic goes, you know. 

1414
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,480
Yeah. 
I love, I love his approach. 

1415
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,560
Listen, that was everybody. 
That was Dan Sturgis. 

1416
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,800
This has been splintered 
spirits. 

1417
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,400
Thank you so much for listening 
and watching. 

1418
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:54,440
Yes please, if you like this, 
follow subscribe like everywhere

1419
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,640
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Follow us on all our social 

1420
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,960
media. 
And remember our live podcast 

1421
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,120
every Thursday, Thursday on 
YouTube? 

1422
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,080
Check it out. 
Yeah, it's fun. 

1423
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,240
That was a little loose, a 
little loosey goosey, a little 

1424
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,600
more fun. 
Submit your ghost stories. 

1425
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Go to splinteredspirits.com. 
Everybody, please, we would love

1426
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,120
for you to submit. 
There's our website, 

1427
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,800
splinteredspirits.com. 
You will find Dan. 

1428
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,480
You can find 
dan@sturgisparanormal.com. 

1429
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,920
I will put that too in my link 
tree for all our guests. 

1430
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:35,440
But again, go to 
splinterspirits.com, like, 

1431
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,320
follow and subscribe and we will
see you next. 

1432
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,240
Time, John Gary. 
Always. 

1433
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,520
Always my friend, always, 
always, always. 

1434
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,920
Nothing like family and ghost. 
That's it later.