1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 And I said, President Lincoln, I hope you're still with us. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,320 And the spirit box is going And I, I show the picture. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:09,800 I said, President Lincoln, is this you? 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,360 And through the spirit box, you hear this man. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,240 Yes, it is. We can never say with 100% 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,920 certainty that's Abraham Lincoln. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,280 You know, we just. Did you ask him what he thought 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:34,200 of the play? Hey everybody, do us a quick 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,960 favor and hit follow and smash that like or subscribe button 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,480 wherever you're listening right now. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,080 It'll help us keep getting great guests and make it so you don't 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,800 miss the next episode. Now I want the show. 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,040 All right, all right, John, what's up? 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,760 How are? You what it's going on. 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,480 I'm good, Gary. I'm good here in Texas. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 In a different and in Texas different little backdrop for 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,520 you. Oh yeah. 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Oh yeah, So in Texas, you know, having a good, well, I can say 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,520 this, the first thing I'm going to say about Texas is not 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,800 everything is bigger in Texas. Yeah. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 We've been lied to them. Oh, why is that? 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,560 Because just that things aren't bigger in Texas, you know, like 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,840 the deer. You know, I've been seeing deer 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,800 all over the place. They ain't bigger, right? 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,920 But but but the stars are big and bright. 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Oh yeah, that's right, stars are very. 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,120 Bright. Are you out in the country and 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,040 stuff? Like really, I'm out. 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Yeah, I'm out in Hill Country right now. 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,160 What's it like going out at night? 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,400 Is it like really wild to to be out at night? 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,080 Is it bright out 'cause you can the stars make it like brighter 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:38,680 than it? Depends. 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,440 If the moon's out. Sure, Right. 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,720 It. It's. 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,400 I mean, it's really no different. 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,920 The weather's strange. Like 50° for me in New York is 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,480 not 50° in Texas, OK. Like everyone else is like, oh, 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,320 we're cold. And I'm like, oh, this is, you 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,480 know, this is. Beautiful. 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,400 So, and I guess maybe that's just, you know, personal 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,960 preference or humidity or whatever it is, right? 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,880 But it's it's different. It's definitely different. 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,440 Hill Country, where I'm at right now has been my favorite. 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,560 OK, Hill Country. I love nature, lot of nature, 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,560 lot of scenery. So. 47 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,600 Good. That's all that's fun, let you 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,920 get out. It's good to see you out in the 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,760 out in the country, out in America. 50 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Out in America, you know, really enjoying America. 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Hello John in America so hey everybody welcome this is 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,880 splintered spirits. I'm Gary this is John Santa from 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Santa paranormal. As you know, and we are live, we 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,960 are like to ask the question what are spirits? 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,560 And we like to try to figure out what's going on in the world of 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,720 paranormal. And we got a guest today, very 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,960 cool, fun one. And it's a good one too 'cause 58 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,320 maybe he can give me a few pointers. 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,560 The guy's been around today's guest. 60 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,360 He he's been a broadcaster and an investigator. 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,520 He is the host of Ghost Box Radio with Greg Bakken. 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,040 And I'm talking about Greg Bakken himself. 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,480 He's out of AM/950 in the Twin Cities, reaches 10s of thousands 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,960 of listeners each weeknight with deep dive conversations on the 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:24,280 paranormal, UFO phenomena, Bigfoot, all things anomalous, 66 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,760 right? He's a seasoned paranormal 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,160 investigator, intuitive ITC specialist. 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,360 I want to get into that a bit. He really is into the you know 69 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,920 what you do and recordings and EDPS, right? 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Communication, electronic communication. 71 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Greg is best known for his work with Spirit Box and his mission 72 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,400 to bridge the metaphysical and paranormal communities, bringing 73 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,480 together mediums and investigators to validate 74 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,360 communication and promote respectful evidence based 75 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,040 investigations. He also runs Para Friends events 76 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,520 in Ghost Box Live, giving people a chance to investigate haunted 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,080 locations. So he does an experiential thing 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,320 as well, which is cool. So without further ado, he's 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,520 sitting in our waiting room. Let's bring on Greg Bakken from 80 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,840 Ghost Box Radio. Greg, how are you? 81 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,400 I'm doing well. How are you tonight, today, 82 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,400 whenever? Who am I? 83 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,760 I like. I like the beard, dude. 84 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,519 I like that beard. Oh, thanks. 85 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:23,160 I it's taken like 10 years to grow, but, you know, that's the 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,040 slow, slow, slow facial hair growth. 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,280 You know, that's kind of what I'm about. 88 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,880 South babyface No. Right on, man. 89 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Well, look, it looks good. It looks distinguished man of 90 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,880 importance. No one, and I repeat, no one has 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,920 ever said that before SO. Listen, it's better to look it 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,800 than to be it. That's true too. 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Greg, listen, thank you so much for coming out today. 94 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,560 You've, you've been doing this for a lot longer than I have, 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,240 meeting a lot of different people. 96 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,720 So I'm very excited to talk to you about your experiences, what 97 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,160 you've met, who you've met, what you've learned, right? 98 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,720 Yeah, no, that's great. Let's. 99 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,560 Let's take a step back real quick. 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,200 So what was the first experience or moment that convinced you 101 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,760 that the Paranormals was more than just a good story and you 102 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,960 and you had to push it into to becoming a full on investigator 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,040 and ITC specialist? I think for me what it what it 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,520 came down to was simply adopting using the spirit box. 105 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,680 For longest time it had been basically watching some TV shows 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,760 as I think a lot of us started off doing. 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,120 And when I was watching it way back in the day, they weren't 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,560 even called spirit box. They were called shack hacks. 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,600 They're called all sorts of different other things. 110 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:52,360 And I thought to myself if, if this actually works now I'm 111 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,360 interested. And I ended up I ended up 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,920 getting my my own spirit box. I just got the SB-7 and I still 113 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,440 use it to this day. And a friend and I went down to 114 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,480 the basement of where I worked in downtown Minneapolis, which 115 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,440 people say it's a creepy basement. 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,680 And they they did no one want to go down there. 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,040 And going down there, my first question I ever asked using the 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,800 spirit box, I got an answer right away and I'm like, all 119 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,480 right, this is good and funny. Funny enough. 120 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,480 What was the question? What's your name? 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:33,680 And I got Nate just like that. Nate and we asked what's your 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,800 last name? And it came out Lund and then I, 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,800 I asked what year were you born? And we got some numbers, but I 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,800 don't think you could equate it to an answer. 125 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,560 And then I said, was there, is there somebody else here that 126 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,040 could, would like to talk to us? And a female comes through and 127 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,040 she says hello. And at that point, I just like, 128 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,280 this is mine. And I literally was like, this 129 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:00,920 is this is what I'm supposed to be doing. 130 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,760 I'm supposed to be using this device and I'm supposed to be 131 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,400 reaching out. And, you know, a lot of the 132 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,600 shows at the time was, you know, not like ghost hunters, but 133 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,320 others were kind of provocation and stuff. 134 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,520 And it was at that moment I realized that you're not 135 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,680 speaking with something dark, you're actually speaking with 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,640 people. And that's where right away I 137 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,360 kind of became like, OK, I get it. 138 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,360 I understand what I'm supposed to be doing here now. 139 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,200 I now have a purpose. I literally felt that way. 140 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Now have a purpose. That is, it's great that you 141 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,160 recognize that, yeah, you know, like this is something that is 142 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,560 going to change your direction, right? 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,560 You know, the, the thing was, is I, I mean, I, I, I wanted to do 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,920 this. I was really interested in it. 145 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,840 But after that I started having dreams like every night for 146 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,840 about 6 months. Literally I would have a dream 147 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,840 I'm out in an, a paranormal investigation and it wasn't 148 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,160 scary. Matter of fact, I don't even 149 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,920 call any spirits in the dream. It was just me, the act of going 150 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,520 out and, and this is what I do. And it was every single night I 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,240 was having this and I was just like, this is, this is so cool. 152 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,320 It is like I like, I, like I said before, I get it and it 153 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,960 says like now I, I feel like I can, I can, I'm, I'm part of a 154 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,640 puzzle. I'm a piece of a puzzle that 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,480 I've now put myself in place. So from that moment on, did you 156 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,280 start to create content directly or did you just keep 157 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:36,159 investigating? I I, I, So it's an interesting 158 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,919 question, I guess, because I suppose I did start to create 159 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:44,320 content almost immediately. I think as content creators, I 160 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,120 feel like whatever we do, we feel like we have to document in 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,160 some way, you know, and beyond just like getting like Evps and 162 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,720 stuff. I feel like that there needs to, 163 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 at least for me, it's like, how can I purpose repurpose this? 164 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Because it, you know, it was more of just, I wanted to share 165 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:07,320 what I was getting. And so I, I, I created a podcast 166 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,080 that was all about, you know, each podcast with a paranormal 167 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,680 investigation. It was all audio. 168 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:17,000 There was no video to it whatsoever, which is, is a it's, 169 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,080 it's kind of complex, you know, it's, it's not something people 170 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,680 normally do, but it was really fun because I was able to share 171 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,720 some stuff and because so much of what I was doing, I, I based 172 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,960 and I still do base my paranormal career when I go out 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:38,360 investigate using spirit box. I, I'm a big ITC fan and so that 174 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,880 and then I went to school for radio back in 19 something I, I 175 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,760 went to, I went to it with Marconi. 176 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Him and I, we're pretty close and we, I, I, I went to school 177 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,760 for radio, got into television, went into production, film, 178 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 television, all this production that ad agencies. 179 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:03,160 But in 2015, and I had been doing this for a little while in 180 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,000 2015, a friend of mine was talking about doing, he does a 181 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,920 radio show, you know, and I, I was like, oh, that's 182 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,960 interesting. I'd, I'd love to kind of talk 183 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,160 about it. And ultimately it was for Para 184 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,920 X. It's, you know, it's, and this 185 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,120 was before so many people are doing like the Facebook lives 186 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,600 and stuff now. And so I did a show and I 187 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,160 really, I've always had imposter syndrome. 188 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,360 So it was never about anything I did. 189 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,040 It was always about other people. 190 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,080 I bring other people on. We talked about their 191 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,880 experiences. We talked about what they are 192 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,040 doing and that's still kind of to this day, it's taken me years 193 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,480 to be OK with doing my own shows where there's nobody else on 194 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 there except for me talking about all sorts of different 195 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 things. Because I always think, I always 196 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,000 think people don't want to hear me. 197 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,840 They want to hear the, the, the person that I'm bringing on. 198 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,960 And I I still think that to a certain degree, but that isn't 199 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,880 actually quite true. Yeah, don't sell yourself short. 200 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,720 Well, I've been told, you know, since because in 2020 I moved to 201 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,680 a radio station, which was a dream come true. 202 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,760 And so but the Chad who runs the station, he always tells all the 203 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,000 hosts people don't TuneIn everyday to see what guests you 204 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,120 have. They TuneIn because they like 205 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,600 the host and the guest is just, you know, also a big part of it, 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,800 but it's they they have to like the host first to even want to 207 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,800 tune in every day or every week or whatever the the rhythm may 208 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,160 be. Let's take a step back real 209 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,280 quick to this ITCS that you did what? 210 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,240 What do you like using? What is your go to? 211 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,560 How do you evaluate them all? What's the Walk us through how 212 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,000 you do. It I'm pretty simple. 213 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,840 I, I use, I use basically at SB-7 spirit box. 214 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 There is a lot of other devices out there that do this now. 215 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,080 And I, I'm, I certainly think that there is a lot to, to glean 216 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,080 from it. My, my personally, for me, I'm 217 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,880 not a complex person, at least I try not to be. 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,960 So if the device is complex, if I have to do a lot of settings 219 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,560 on it, I get bored very easily. If I go and I and I and I, you 220 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:27,200 know, I'm, I'm recording it just as having the box and having my 221 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,920 recorder and I'm recording myself in the box at the same 222 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,680 time. You know, people used to say you 223 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,640 like when you hear something, speed it up, slow it down, run 224 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,200 it backwards, do all sorts of things to see what's being said. 225 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,120 Come on, we're doing, you know, 6-8 hour investigations. 226 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,400 I don't have time for all that. I mean, quite frankly, and maybe 227 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,680 spirits are like listening right now and they're like, you son of 228 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:55,520 a bitch. But quite frankly, I'll, you 229 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,600 know, if, if I don't get it in three times, if I'm hearing 230 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,280 something that sounds interesting to me. 231 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,920 And if I don't get it in three times, more than likely I'm 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 going to pass it up because, I mean, you might get some stuff 233 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,240 and that's fine. But if I don't get it right away 234 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,800 and I might share it with some people too. 235 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,520 What do you think this is? But I, I just, I can't, there's 236 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,840 so much to go through when we do any sort of evidence review. 237 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,000 And so, and, and I'm very simple in that I don't apply filters to 238 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,320 any of my recordings. I don't, I, I used to, and all 239 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,720 it did for me was make it sound like I added a filter to a 240 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,920 recording. It never really gave me what 241 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,480 other people say that they get when they do that. 242 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:43,520 So, and for me, I've been doing this long enough and I should 243 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,960 have asked if I, if I could have given you some stuff to play and 244 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,640 if you want afterwards I can give you some stuff. 245 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,480 You just want to hear what what I've what I've gotten over the 246 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,680 years. And I will drop it in, you know, 247 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,200 if you want to shoot me over some stuff you're talking about. 248 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,680 I mean, if I, I want to be able to hear it on, on the 1st, on 249 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,360 the first run, like live, that to me is a what that's to me 250 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,000 when it's good. I've had, I believe a, a 251 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,520 fantastic response from, of all people, Mary Todd Lincoln. 252 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,240 And I just, you know, because I, I wanted to, I wanted to show, I 253 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,880 used to do a weekly spirit box session that was Sunday nights. 254 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,040 People would come on. I'd kind of use it like as a 255 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,440 gallery where I'd be like, who do you want me to reach out to? 256 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,000 And people would be like, oh, I'd like the, I'd like my Aunt 257 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Dolores. I'd like this. 258 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,960 I'd like that. And, you know, I'd, I'd ask them 259 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,120 to come through and I, I would focus on them to try to come 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,080 through. Now, I don't know what aunt to 261 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Laura sounds like. I have no idea. 262 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,640 You know, I, you know, so if they hear her voice, that's the 263 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,840 validation. I, I, I could hear a voice come 264 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,360 through, but I'm not going to say, oh, that's, you know, your, 265 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,240 your husband, Joe, you know, I mean, I don't know that. 266 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,280 So that's the great part. And then one night, super long 267 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,880 story. So I'm not going to get too deep 268 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,880 into it. There was a documentary about 269 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,520 the last photo of Lincoln on Discovery, and I wanted to know 270 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,640 if this was actually him because it was on in the deathbed at the 271 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Peterson house. And so I'm like, OK, well, why 272 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,080 not ask him? And so I did this kind of pre 273 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,800 sort of before I went live. I basically, and I'm a believer 274 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 in the flashlights. I know people don't always like 275 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,560 the flashlights because they're like, well, the O-ring is 276 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,920 expanding and blah blah. Sure, sure, sure. 277 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,600 If you're getting a good cadence, I, I, I'm not going to 278 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,000 throw that out. Who turned on the flashlight? 279 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,560 I don't know. But The thing is, is I, you 280 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,960 know, through, through flashlight, I'm just like, you 281 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,080 know, doing my meditation. You know, President Lincoln, I 282 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 would like to show you, can you, you know, first of all, I ask 283 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,560 you to come through and the light turns on and turns off and 284 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,280 I'm like, well, can I want to show you a picture? 285 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,080 And I'm pointing to the screen. This is where you're going to 286 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,880 see it. I'm going to use this box. 287 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,480 I explain everything as best as you can to a man for that was 288 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,760 assassinated in 1865. You know about a radio and 289 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,160 stuff. And every time I would talk and 290 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,960 say something, the flashlight would turn on and off like, yes, 291 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,840 I understand. And then I finally asked, may I 292 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,480 also ask Mary Todd Lincoln a question? 293 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,040 And it turned on and turned off. So this is amazing. 294 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,600 So we start the session and people, you know, we have a good 295 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,400 crowd of people every week for this on Facebook. 296 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,240 And I said, President Lincoln, I hope you're still with us. 297 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,120 And the spirit box is going. And I, I show the picture. 298 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,560 I said, President Lincoln, is this you? 299 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,120 And through the spirit box, you hear this, man? 300 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Yes, it is. And I'm just like, whoa, you 301 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,560 know, and the, the crowd, the, the people in the comments start 302 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,600 going crazy. They're just like, holy shit. 303 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,480 Oh my God, look at this, look at this. 304 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,800 Oh my, I start getting starstruck. 305 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,640 I start getting starstruck. And so I just am like, aha, I'm 306 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,040 just like, OK, And then and I'm just kind of like, I'm in the 307 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,680 daze. I mean, I just couldn't believe 308 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,359 it. I mean, we can never say with 309 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,680 100% certainty that's Abraham Lincoln. 310 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,040 You know, we just. Did you ask him what he thought 311 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,160 of the play? I said I was, I was totally in 312 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,640 disarray. So I didn't have, I didn't have 313 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,120 my wits with me. I I should have. 314 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,840 I mean that Nice, nice to end that right away. 315 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,680 But I said I have a question for Mary Todd Lincoln. 316 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,440 My question because I was so starstruck and out of it. 317 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,360 My question to her was simply going to be, Missus Lincoln, 318 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,320 when you were living, you spoke to the dead. 319 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Now that you're dead, do you speak to the living? 320 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Super simple question, but I was so people are just like going 321 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,600 crazy in the comments. You could just see him. 322 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,400 I'm like missus and you can hear this on the recording. 323 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Missus Lincoln, when you were living, did you, you know, it's 324 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,400 just whore, it's just a mess. And I'm just like, did you 325 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,480 speak? Did you talk? 326 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Did you talk? And finally this female voice 327 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,760 comes through and says, talk about what? 328 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,840 Missus Lincoln, you spent your entire life reaching out to, 329 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,840 reaching out to spirit. Do you talk? 330 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,960 Do you talk to other people? Do you talk to other people as a 331 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,080 spirit to other living people? Talk about life. 332 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Talk about what? And I'm just like, Oh my God, 333 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,760 you know, it's amazing. It's like, I'm going to send 334 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,560 that to you. That's a great one. 335 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,520 Yeah. And and that's it. 336 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,600 That's just amazing. And my favorite though, and I'm 337 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,440 not I'm not ripping on anybody because we don't, you know, a 338 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,560 lot of us don't know a lot about everything. 339 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,080 But somebody said in the comments, can you to very to 340 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,600 validate that it's Lincoln. Can you play it against some 341 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,640 recorded message that he gave? He didn't, he didn't. 342 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,960 That's a little before recording. 343 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,880 I mean, we have an education problem in this country. 344 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,200 You know what's what's really interesting about all that? 345 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,440 Even if it wasn't Lincoln, you're still getting a response. 346 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Yeah. So, yeah, I all right, I can see 347 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,760 that if I had communication with the president, that would sort 348 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,000 of absolutely change the direction of, you know, the, the 349 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,600 there's too many coincidences, right? 350 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,520 Like there's got to be something you're communicating with 351 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,840 something. You get the great recordings, 352 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,760 they're clear, it's happening as you ask it. 353 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,400 I always find that to be wild. Like in and of itself, that kind 354 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,360 of thing is. That was, this was Greg. 355 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,120 Was this done with an SP7? You know, through an amp like 356 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,040 you know, like a portal box or just SP7 by itself? 357 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,120 SP7 with a external speaker. That's it. 358 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,400 OK, cool. That's it. 359 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,960 I've used, I've used some of that stuff before and it's fine. 360 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,520 I'm I just have been kind of pure with it. 361 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,520 Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. 362 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,160 Won't that all? Right. 363 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,360 So now would you still go out and actively investigate or is 364 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,880 it more now you're that you're talking to other people and 365 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,720 you're doing the the radio show? So, and it's, I think it's 366 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,880 something that we all fall into after a while, right, that a lot 367 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,520 of our investigations are events. 368 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,400 And so we put on events. I work with my friend Char 369 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Savoy. We've, we've worked on in, in 370 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,040 the Midwest on doing events now for a number of years before I 371 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,800 had a little event group that I still use called Para friends 372 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,160 events. And we like to go to locations 373 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,280 that aren't like where everyone goes to. 374 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,320 We try to, we try to find new like we found a, we found a 375 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,720 Masonic Lodge that no one has ever investigated before and we 376 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,240 did an event there. It was, it was a bloodbath, 377 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,360 quite frankly, but that's OK. Most most everyone made it out 378 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,240 unscathed. Yeah. 379 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,760 I mean, honestly, the, the, the energy there was, was was 380 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,840 pretty, pretty nasty, which we didn't, it wasn't when we went 381 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,520 from the. Fans or from the ghosts? 382 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,880 From the ghosts, OK, from the lodge itself. 383 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,440 And it started off we we got permission from the from the 384 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Masons that they were because in the backroom, a lot of these 385 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,520 lodges in the backroom, there are multiple like paintings of 386 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,800 George Washington. And so this one had that too. 387 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,640 And I put one out in a table and I put a trip wire around it. 388 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,320 And I said first to the Mason, it's like, first of all, are you 389 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,120 OK with this? And he's just like, yeah, sure. 390 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,280 And I'm like, again, we were going to try to reach out to 391 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,880 Washington. Are you OK with this? 392 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,080 Yeah. But I should have known better 393 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,800 because, you know, they have that sword that that is used for 394 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,320 like for a special events and stuff. 395 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,800 And that was just laying out. And I said to him. 396 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000 You might want to put that away. And he's like, you know, so I 397 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,200 mean, it's like, well, this is going to be great. 398 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,120 You mean, you mean the sword that they kneel on? 399 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Whatever. Yeah, whatever sword he's 400 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760 speaking about is they lay it down and they kneel on it and 401 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,800 they do one of their rituals. That's a that's the sword he's 402 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,000 speaking about. Yeah, Yeah, it's. 403 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,160 And it's just out there before everyone got there, it was just 404 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,720 out there and I'm just like, yeah, this. 405 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,400 And so he's like, yeah, it could be. 406 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,840 And I'm like, no, I'm going to, I'm going to go put it away. 407 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,320 Don't worry, I'm now a Mason. I guess I'll take care of your 408 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,280 stuff. So yeah. 409 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 But so we had the strip wire around it and spirit box is 410 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,880 going and stuff. And I and I said, you know, same 411 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,880 way that I tried to bring through Lincoln, I said, 412 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,000 President Washington, we are, we are so excited to be guests in 413 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,840 this lodge, something like that. And, you know, I'm really good 414 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,360 at doing radio for enough time. You're really good at doing this 415 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:01,480 sort of like monologue that most people in the room are probably 416 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,440 like, get on with it for God's sake. 417 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,320 But I'm, I'm doing this, this kind of monologue kind of 418 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,920 bringing, you know, bringing. I'm like, are you here? 419 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,920 Everything in the room just blows up and I only blow up like 420 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,000 it stops working, but it just goes off, including the trip 421 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,680 wire, everything. And then it was just silent. 422 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,040 It's like, well, that's interesting. 423 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,920 But then we started getting people get started feeling ill. 424 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,480 And I mean like probably an hour or so late, people started 425 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,000 feeling ill. A lot of people had to be like 426 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760 they had to leave and just sit outside for a while. 427 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,120 And it's either something to do, a spirit or natural gas or 428 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,960 something, I don't know. But, you know, it was just like, 429 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200 you know, there's this, there's this episode of The Simpsons 430 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,880 where I think it was like a trampoline or something. 431 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560 And they do this like shot of all the kids who are just laying 432 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,360 in the field because they've got hurt from the trampoline in The 433 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,960 Simpsons backyard. I kind of felt that that was 434 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,920 this investigation where there's just this, like line of bodies, 435 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,320 you know, like, well, you know, come, go to 1. 436 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,440 Come to our one of our events again. 437 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,600 That'd be great. Yeah. 438 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960 That's the Masons for you, dude. That's that's all right. 439 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,400 It's one of those secret organizations that we don't like 440 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,200 to talk about too much. And I and I had a Mason with us 441 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,200 too, who was, it was always nice because he was able to kind of 442 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,760 fill us in on stuff that we didn't know. 443 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,520 I mean, he's a paranormal investigator. 444 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,480 So he's, you know, he's all about both sides of it. 445 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,960 So it was, it was really nice. We also do a monthly 446 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,680 investigation of this place. We, they're nearby is a city, 447 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,080 part of a, part of the Twin Cities called Anoka. 448 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,680 That is, they call it the Halloween capital of the world. 449 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,360 And this, you know, lot Main Street dates back to the 1860s. 450 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,040 And so we do in one of the buildings the, you know, the 451 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,200 second Wednesday, which is why I had to move, why I couldn't do 452 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480 it the night that you had requested we do an 453 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,640 investigation. And the, it was, it's just 454 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880 active. It's, it's active in a very cool 455 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,480 way. It's a safe, it's a safe 456 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,280 location. No one gets sick, no one gets 457 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,640 hurt. Everyone is fine. 458 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,800 And it's a we we get great responses. 459 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960 For now. Yeah, for now. 460 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,280 I wonder why they go to sleep. Why do they call it the 461 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Halloween capital? What makes? 462 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,640 I mean, I got to say, John and I are from Westchester. 463 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,400 We got Sleepy Hollow up in our neck of the woods. 464 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,440 I bigger Halloween than Sleepy Hollow or Salem. 465 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,440 I I'm not here to, I'm not here to defend Anoka. 466 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,240 I'm here to All I know is that what they call themselves and 467 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,200 they, you know, at least in the Twin Cities. 468 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Wait, Hey, absolutely. Let me, let me, let me call up 469 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,160 the mayor. Now. 470 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Let's get this. Going this mayor on the phone, 471 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,920 like, how dare you? I mean, I, I don't know, I have 472 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,680 doubts. Well, I mean, I would say 473 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,040 certainly the the Halloween capital of the Twin Cities. 474 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Will you give me that? All right, all right. 475 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,800 I'll give them that. I'll give them. 476 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,200 That Halloween capital of Anoka, I mean, that's and there's that 477 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,160 too, so. So Greg, do you you consider 478 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,520 yourself an intuitive? I do what? 479 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,360 Where does that? When did that manifest and what 480 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,400 made you embrace it? It, it, I think it's been with 481 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800 me my whole life. Just, you know, there are, there 482 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 are things I think that we all experience that we know that, 483 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520 you know, that we're drawn to that we know outcomes before 484 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,600 they happen. We, we feel energies. 485 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,080 We feel people's energies without necessarily them having 486 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,920 a like a frown in their face or a smile on their face. 487 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,040 When I got into this field of paranormal, I, I really didn't 488 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,960 want to claim it in any possible way only because I see so many 489 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,200 people claim it and they're not, or at least they're, they're, 490 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,600 they don't come across well with it. 491 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,680 And I didn't want to be that I, I, I, I hold great respect for 492 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680 people who are intuitive mediums, all that stuff. 493 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,920 But then the more and more that I was using spirit box and 494 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,160 people had asked for specific people to come through and I 495 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,280 could, I could pull them through to talk with us. 496 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560 It wasn't going to be for hours, but you know, you get something 497 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,680 out of them. That's when I'm like, OK, maybe 498 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,480 I am doing all right with this. Maybe maybe I am. 499 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000 I can connect. It doesn't mean that I 500 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,320 necessarily need to be like, you know, Teresa Caputo over here. 501 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,360 But I I could do it enough that I am helping people, which is 502 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,560 always been my thing is helping people reconnect with their 503 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,640 loved ones and also helping spirits connect or go home even 504 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,880 all. Right, you guys, I, I want to, I 505 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,440 want to come back to that in a second because you said some 506 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,480 things here that we're going to, we're absolutely going to touch 507 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,000 on. Look, I, I always say, I think 508 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,640 John's intuitive in some way. I mean, that's why he gets, he 509 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560 hates when I say it. But I mean for the probably for 510 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,680 the same reason why you don't like to, you didn't like to say 511 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,200 it. But I do believe that people who 512 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,720 get these kind of results from ITC or Spirit boxes like you and 513 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,400 like what John gets has to be because they're on a different 514 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,640 level of some somewhere and somehow and it happens. 515 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,800 Listen, I'm out of medium. I'm a triple X, you know that's. 516 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. 517 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,840 That's all outside. I mean, I mean, I mean, John, do 518 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760 you think, do you think that has something to do with the fact 519 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800 that you're using the equipment that it feels like that, that 520 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,720 they're in like different categories, different silos, you 521 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000 know, mediumship, you know, I used to always think that 522 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,320 mediumship is like, whereas I'm using equipment and I can, I can 523 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,920 very much document exactly what I'm saying here. 524 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,960 I I just curious because that's I think that might be where I 525 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,240 was at. Yeah, yeah, for the most part. 526 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,840 You know, I I need equipment to communicate with the dead. 527 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,880 You take the equipment away and guess what? 528 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,920 I'm just an average dude. You know, I don't feel spirits. 529 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,920 I don't. You know I don't. 530 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,120 I can't. That's not true. 531 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,280 That's not what you said. You've said you felt like you're 532 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480 in in a. That's not true. 533 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,760 They're backpedaling. But that's no no, no, I'm not 534 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,840 backpedaling. You are I. 535 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Can't I? No, I'm definitely not. 536 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Definitely not. You have said you feels like 537 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720 jello. You know, everybody, everybody 538 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,880 tell me Gary shouldn't be be like this more with the guests 539 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,440 we have on than me, I. Am when I am when they when they 540 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,280 backed out. A. 100 times No no, 100 times 541 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,240 You feel like you're in jello when? 542 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240 There's acting, but that has nothing that can be with people 543 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,400 too. That that's what I'm saying. 544 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,240 But yes, but that's but. Everybody does that, but 545 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200 everybody does that. Everybody has that ability. 546 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,360 You see, you said it yourself, you see somebody and you're 547 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040 like. Yes people get vibes about that 548 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360 I agree. I agree but I feel like yours is 549 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280 stronger. I think people yours is stronger 550 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,520 like than most and that's why it works. 551 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,440 But maybe that's just experience. 552 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Maybe they should experience. You know, I mean, I couldn't 553 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,880 possibly comment and what John feels and not feels, but. 554 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,640 I'll no, no, I know. But I mean just in general from 555 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,160 all the people you've met, the mediums you've met and the, and 556 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,880 you know you, which has been a lot over the decades you've been 557 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920 doing this. So what is the consensus? 558 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,040 I feel, I feel, I feel like that sometimes people, and I don't 559 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,560 mean John in this. I really don't. 560 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,400 There's people who are like I, you know, I'm, I, I have as many 561 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,320 medium shifts, you know, I'm, I'm as intuitive as a rock. 562 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,240 You know, I hear that so often from people and I think that 563 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040 some people wear that as a badge because maybe there's so many 564 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,480 people that say they're intuitive and they want to stand 565 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360 out and they don't want to be that way. 566 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,200 But I, I would, I would, I would challenge John at at a point 567 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,360 that he feels comfortable doing so at an investigation that he 568 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,440 feels that he can do this is go 1/2 an hour, an hour of it 569 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440 without equipment and see what you're picking up because that 570 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,680 happens. That happens when everything 571 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,640 dies. You know, I've walked through 572 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,120 cemeteries and locations when the spirits drain everything. 573 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,480 And it's like, all right, guys, looks like this is what we're 574 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,280 doing. And, you know, every now and 575 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,960 then you'll hear disembodied voices. 576 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,920 You know, we'll pick up a disembodied voice here and there 577 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,760 for those that don't know what disembodied voices, you know, 578 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,720 you don't know the source of that voice, right? 579 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,400 It's not coming from a piece of equipment. 580 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000 You think it's not coming from human vocal cords. 581 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,840 So that'll happen, right? That'll happen. 582 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040 That happens with the equipment on or off. 583 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400 But once the equipment's off like, that's the most that'll 584 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,680 happen. For me, you see what I'm saying, 585 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,520 Greg? Deniolate. 586 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,000 Just the river in Egypt, you know what I mean? 587 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,640 Well, I mean, but it was like, do they come to you in inside 588 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,400 your head? Does the does the messages come 589 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,360 inside your head ever? Because no, Maybe. 590 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,400 It's, it's funny you do mention inside your head though, because 591 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960 I got cedar fever by the way, that's why I keep coughing. 592 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Cedar fever is a big thing down here in Texas in this area that 593 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560 matter. So it's funny you mentioned in 594 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,960 your head, I have noticed that some spirits have the ability to 595 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,400 skim the top of your mind. Like I'll be talking to people, 596 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760 not even talking to the spirits, and all of a sudden the spirits 597 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,400 will say what I'm about to say before I even say it. 598 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280 And it's like a split second before. 599 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,000 So the spirits are saying it and then I'm saying it. 600 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000 That happens a lot. But as far as like spirits, like 601 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,280 communicating with me in my head, no, I never ever the years 602 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,640 I've been doing this, all the time I've been doing this, never 603 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,440 ever felt that. So there was, I had a psychic 604 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,400 medium that would come on every other week, refined Divine. 605 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,160 Her name is Deb. She's great. 606 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,720 And we do one question readings on the show every other 607 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,680 Wednesday, which was also a lot of fun. 608 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,800 And then I started finding myself when the question would 609 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360 be given to her that I could answer it. 610 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:47,200 And yeah, and and I, I kind of had to be a little bit like, 611 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,040 stop beating her to, to the, to the answer. 612 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680 First of all, that's, you know, my, my number one rule when I do 613 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,400 the show is let the guest speak, not, not me, try to interject. 614 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,160 And then she would sometimes just be like, Greg, what are you 615 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,680 feeling? What are you getting off of that 616 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,440 question? And I don't really have, and I 617 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960 think, John, you're probably on the same wavelength that I am. 618 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,440 I don't have aspirations to be a medium or anything like that. 619 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,080 100%, Yep. I just, I just Greg 100%. 620 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,200 I want nothing to do with it. The chap, by the way, is against 621 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,880 you, John, they're all saying, like he hears disembodied voices 622 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,720 when we don't. He's he's. 623 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,280 Disrespecting. He just. 624 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240 Can hear a dog bark and they'll think it's a loved one. 625 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,600 I'm sorry. No, he's real. 626 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,480 Spirit check. But the chap can hear a dog 627 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,280 bark, and they'll think it's a. Loved 1 so my boys, my nephew. 628 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,760 'S humble you guys, it's the truth. 629 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160 My nephew's humble. He's got, he's got a gift. 630 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,480 He's a witch. I got a witch's Peak, that's 631 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520 about it. He's a witch. 632 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,880 All right, Greg, let's get back to our guest. 633 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,760 Enough about your nonsense, John. 634 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,800 It's. Crazy. 635 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,040 I don't want to talk about me. I. 636 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,080 Don't want to talk about you either anymore. 637 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,000 I've had it. So where do you draw the line, 638 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800 Greg, in terms of like, you know, with your because this is 639 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,400 a question that comes up a lot in terms of the ethics, because 640 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,440 you said you'd like to talk and help people. 641 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,440 You know, where, what where is how do you balance that? 642 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,760 How do you balance the ethics when you come across a loved one 643 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,239 who's passed with also trying to get, you know, great content? 644 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,480 Now that you're a content creator, how do you find that 645 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,280 line for yourself? I, I, I think I'm lucky in the 646 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,360 sense that I, I generally don't share unless I do a live spirit 647 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,120 box session. I don't share what I pick up at 648 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,199 investigations anymore. I just don't. 649 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,440 A part of it is I don't have the time to go through the, the 650 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,440 review of the evidence to start with. 651 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,159 So I try which kind. That's the that's the other side 652 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,199 of the ethics. If you're, if you want spirit to 653 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,719 talk to and you're recording them, you should be listening to 654 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,679 what they say because we only pick up the especially using 655 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,199 spirit box, only picking up 1520% of what's actually being 656 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,639 said. You have to go back and listen 657 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,360 to really hear what's being done there. 658 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,840 But you know, there's so many different areas of ethics, you 659 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,640 know, when it, you know, I, I, if, if I have a spirit asking me 660 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,400 crossover, I, I'm going to, I'm going to take that as they need 661 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,040 help. And that's, that gets hard 662 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,920 because there are locations that you can go to and they don't 663 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,920 want you to crossover any spirits because they, they, 664 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,720 that's, they believe that that's, you know, why people 665 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,680 come out to see them, which I understand. 666 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,680 And so I won't because I'm being respectful. 667 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,600 But if I get asked, I have no choice but to. 668 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,680 But I can go outside their door and do it. 669 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,360 You know, I'm not inside, not in the property, but that does. 670 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,920 I don't go asking for it. I used to be like, does anyone 671 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,800 need to cross? And it's like, no. 672 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,000 Where do you think they're so when the Spirit asks, you know, 673 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,600 for you to cross them over, Where do you feel that they're 674 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,440 asking to be crossed too? So I look at it, this is this is 675 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,720 this the way I see it doesn't mean I'm right, but there is, 676 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,960 there is, you know, we, we talked about the veil. 677 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,200 We talked about the certain times of year, the veil gets 678 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,960 thinner, gets thicker. You know, that's the, the, it 679 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,920 goes kind of between our reality and the reality. 680 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,840 You know, we're, we're spirits who have crossed. 681 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,200 They are now fully fledged spirits or not spirits that are 682 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,320 earth based spirits who are still feeling like, hey, you 683 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,400 know, grandma still thinks that this is her house even though 684 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,520 she has passed away and you're tearing down her favorite 685 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,760 wallpaper. And they they just can't let go. 686 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520 The belief that I've always thought is when you crossover a 687 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,920 spirit that helps them release some of those human touches, 688 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,000 they don't lose the love for their loved ones. 689 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,560 They don't lose anything, but they are able to move on and 690 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,080 experience what else is out there that they weren't able to 691 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,520 get to because they were so concerned about. 692 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,920 And some might stick around because they might be parents 693 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,440 and their kids are still around. And I don't mean like kids like 694 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,080 my age. I mean, kids like, you know, 810 695 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,520 years old, you know, there might been a tragic accident and 696 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,160 they're not ready to move on because they want to keep their 697 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,840 eye on them. That's what we run into. 698 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,840 I've run into spirits who don't want to crossover because 699 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,520 they're afraid what's waiting for them? 700 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,480 They they did something in their life when they were living that 701 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,680 they think that that there is a you know what, basically a judge 702 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,600 and jury waiting for them that's going to sentence them to hell. 703 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,160 I don't believe that. And I, you know, one of the 704 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520 things that happens when we crossover spirits, when I 705 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,200 crossover spirits, once we and I could feel it, I could see it 706 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,520 and I can feel it once they're crossed, I will ask them, but 707 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,600 can you please tell me that you've crossed? 708 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,000 Could you please tell me you're OK? 709 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,040 And that's what comes back through spirit box. 710 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840 We've had it where we just get, you know, thank you. 711 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480 I love you crossed. I'm here. 712 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,320 Good job. You know, stuff like that. 713 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,960 And that's incredible. That's a great answer, Greg, 714 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000 because you know, you asked that question to a lot of people and 715 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,760 they'll give you the basic nilly Willy, you know, heaven that. 716 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080 Thank you for that answer. Great perspective and and 717 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,600 incredible answer. Thank you. 718 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,360 To to go along with that, what do you think spirits are, which 719 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,640 is really the heart of what we do here, you know, What is the 720 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,960 spirit? I think it's a good question. 721 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,960 I don't know, you know, I mean, and, and I, I've, I've listened 722 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,760 to you all before and I hear you ask that question and I, I 723 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,480 dreaded you asking me that. So thank you. 724 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,680 And that's, but it's, it's a fair thing. 725 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080 And you know, you could actually say, well, if you're doing this, 726 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,640 you should have an idea of what they are. 727 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,400 I think they're, they are, I was originally going to say the 728 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,160 essence of us, but there's so much more. 729 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,960 They are us, but we're just moved from our, from our 730 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880 physical bodies. Obviously. 731 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,520 The other thing is, and I don't know where I fall with all this 732 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,640 when we talk about stuff like reincarnation, like OK in my 733 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,080 mind I think every reincarnation that I might re enter the the 734 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,120 system again, so to speak. But I think that I must be split 735 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,600 because I also believe that spirits continue on as we are 736 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,200 here right now. The essence of me continues on 737 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,560 somewhere a somehow where I'll be able to come back and visit 738 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,160 loved ones and friends and stuff. 739 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,880 But maybe part of me comes back as a a new version of whatever 740 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,800 my next journey is. We always hear about stuff like 741 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,520 the contract. I don't know if you ever heard 742 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,480 like the contract that you know you signed before you come back 743 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,640 in your life. Yeah. 744 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,920 Yeah. Yeah, the spirit contract 745 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,240 basically. And sometimes I think to myself, 746 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,960 well, if that's true, I need to read the fine print better next 747 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,600 time because it seems like that I I think I overlooked a few of 748 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,320 the paragraphs, but. You wouldn't be both. 749 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600 You wouldn't be, yeah. Man, hey, Craig, it's like, you 750 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,760 know, look, let me wait, wait, hold one second real quick. 751 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,040 There's there's usually I want to lead the witness a little 752 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,600 bit. There's usually 2 camps here, 753 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,240 right? You've got, or maybe even 3, but 754 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680 I'm going to break it into two in a very binary way. 755 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,480 When I ask this question of what are spirits? 756 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,880 It's either a very spiritual heaven, you know, whether it's 757 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,400 heaven or hell, but like holy a soul or it's quote UN quote 758 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,520 scientific energy, right? It's a literal energy. 759 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,320 Where in the in a binary sense, you know, if I had to force you 760 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,840 into one, what do you think it is? 761 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,160 Where would you go? Where would you? 762 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,600 Lean I I, I would go more spiritual side with caveats, 763 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,920 with lots of caveats. But you know, The thing is, is 764 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,280 and and I, I personally believe once again, it you know, it 765 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560 might be like, what the hell is this guy talking about? 766 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,520 But I believe, I don't believe in a hell per SE. 767 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,840 I don't believe that we are sent there. 768 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,520 I think that when we go, I think we create our own destination 769 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,800 too when we go. Like if if you know, if you have 770 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,920 somebody who is a terrorist, mass murderer or something, when 771 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,920 they believe in their cause and they die, they there may be no 772 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,680 repercussion for them. Meanwhile, somebody who grew up 773 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,160 with a certain faith and was told, if you steal as a child a 774 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,600 piece of bubble gum, that's a sin and you're going to you're 775 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,280 going to roast for that. If that person keeps that with 776 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,440 them, then for the bubble gum, roast for the bubble gum. 777 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,920 It might it, that might be that they create their own their, 778 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,280 their own future, their own existence in the afterlife. 779 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,760 That's what they create. I have data and evidence to 780 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,280 support what you just said there, Greg. 781 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,840 I've had spirits, Yep, I've had spirits talk about certain 782 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,280 places like like music theaters, being there, heaven. 783 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440 Other spirits talk about, you know, creating their own heaven, 784 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,920 creating their own Hells. So that is a huge. 785 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,200 It's a huge. Possibility that that's exactly 786 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,760 what's going on. It's amazing how much of our 787 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840 brain living or dead plays into this right. 788 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960 Absolutely. It dictates so much what we do 789 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,240 and and without even without even realizing it. 790 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,600 So yeah, I know it's interesting to hear because I just always 791 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,680 thought that just seems and and that's why I also think that, 792 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,120 you know when we're talking about crossing over spirit that 793 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200 some just don't want to go because they people, you know I 794 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520 think I you know back to your question of what is spirit. 795 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,680 I mean I'm I'm I'm threatened to answer. 796 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,320 It's anything we want it to be because I kind of feel that way 797 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,440 about paranormal. But you have people who don't 798 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,920 understand any of that might have been grown up in a certain 799 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,200 religion, very strictly done something they shouldn't have, 800 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,960 and that has marred them for life. 801 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,880 And they just don't. They don't even understand that 802 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,800 There's a concept that you can get around that. 803 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,400 Well, that's why, you know, look, when I ask people this 804 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,360 question, they try to come up with an answer that they think's 805 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,560 the right answer from a 30,000 foot view as opposed to 806 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,000 answering it from what they believe it is, right. 807 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,920 That's why I try to stick with it, you know, hit you with what 808 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,880 is, what do you think you're talking to? 809 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,720 What do you think you're dealing with? 810 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,680 So and then we usually get to that place and and I find it's, 811 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,160 it is it does fall into two into those, yes, there's always 812 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,240 caveats, right? I'm just I'm bottom lining it 813 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,640 and it always falls into those two kids. 814 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120 Greg, let me ask you something real quick when when you're 815 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,840 communicating with spirits. And this question got posed to 816 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,400 me yesterday, which is why I'm asking. 817 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,360 I'm here in Texas with Chris Netzel official. 818 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,000 And, you know, we've been, you know, going all around Texas and 819 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,240 out of the blue, he just turns to me and he goes, John, have 820 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,000 you ever felt that some spirits feel like they're repercussions 821 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,000 to speaking to us? And, you know, I said, well, I 822 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,880 actually have some data on that. And I have some evidence where 823 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,400 the spirits do talk about that. Like, they can't speak to us. 824 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,800 It's taboo in some way. Have you ever come across 825 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,920 anything similar? Yes and no. 826 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,960 I think I I-11 thing that comes to mind quite a bit too, is 827 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,720 that, you know, sometimes I don't know if you ever come 828 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,080 across John like a gatekeeper at a location. 829 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,680 I was about to say, almost like a gatekeeping. 830 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,440 Yep, Yep. Almost like gatekeeping. 831 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,080 Yep. Walk me through that, boys. 832 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,800 What's it What? What do you mean by gatekeeping? 833 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,160 So, so basically if you think of it like a, like a mob in a sense 834 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,280 that there is going to be 1 spirit there that kind of 835 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080 controls everything in a location, everything. 836 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,880 And so these are going to be spirits that have not, This is 837 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440 my definition doesn't mean that it's the correct one, but this 838 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,560 is how I see it. Spirits that have not crossed 839 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,200 over, they are either they're there's, they're planted in this 840 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,880 location for any number of reasons. 1 might be this 841 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:50,320 omnipresent, more powerful being that's there could just even be 842 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,840 a spirit that's kind of controlling everything, 843 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,520 controlling everyone, controlling who they're allowing 844 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,640 to talk to us when we go in. And I ran across that in a 845 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,200 number of places, but one of the most recent ones was the Beatty 846 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,920 Mansion over in I thought of the Missouri, Kansas, one of the 847 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,440 two. I you know, you get to so many 848 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,160 places you don't even know where stuff is anymore. 849 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,680 You start losing track, right? Yeah, and, and, and so we, we 850 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,720 had it. And, and it's also I, I, if 851 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,080 you're just watching us, you might be like, oh, that's an 852 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040 excuse for, you know, when you're not getting any responses 853 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,840 and you're like, I feel like there's something that's 854 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,560 stopping them from responding. I'm sure people are like, oh, 855 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,640 for God's sake. It's just that, you know, no 856 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,240 one's talking to you, but you could feel it because you can, 857 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,800 you can feel the energy. You know, that's what you always 858 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,080 obviously want to do when you go into a location, you want to 859 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,560 feel the energy around you. And when you're not getting any 860 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,720 responses, nothing is going off. You got to be like, how is this 861 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,000 possible? I know I could feel it in my 862 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,320 with my body that there's spirits all around me. 863 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,840 Why are they not talking to me? And sometimes it's literally 864 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920 that there is this one. And sometimes it could be 865 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,640 literal, like if you're in a prison or something and you have 866 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,200 a gang in there and the leader of the gang is just like, Nope, 867 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,880 you're not talking to these people. 868 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360 And that's as simple as that. And unless you can get through 869 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,600 with them, you're probably going to have a very quiet night. 870 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,640 Does that answer your? Did I kill the podcast? 871 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,120 Doesn't mean. No, not at all. 872 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640 No, I was just thinking because I've I've come across that in a 873 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,760 in a different way. You'll never anything saying hey 874 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,800 I am the gatekeeper. More like 1 spirit just being 875 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,440 completely unruly and just bogging everything down, right? 876 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,800 Like, you know, like all the sudden you'll get a little bit, 877 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,280 you'll hear a child come through and then something will come 878 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600 through and just stop that from happening, you know? 879 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,360 And it's the same thing over and over. 880 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,040 My answer. Wasn't literal. 881 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,560 Yeah, my answer wasn't literal. That was just more of like, 882 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,200 that's kind of what it seems like. 883 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,480 Yeah. I've never had exactly. 884 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,480 Yeah, I've never had to either. Like you will talk to no one 885 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,360 else, you know? It's just you get that feeling, 886 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,560 though can I also say real fast too, that whole the whole 887 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,400 spiritual versus technological aspect of what spirit is. 888 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,480 I also feel like that investigations can fall easily 889 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200 in one or the other as well. Well, yeah, you know, I wanted 890 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,360 to and I'm glad you brought that up. 891 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,680 One of my questions for you is really, you know, you talk about 892 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,840 bridging this gap between, you know, paranormal investigators 893 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,200 that let's let's just again, putting them in a box for a 894 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,920 second. They're the ones who are a 895 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640 little more technological. They they aren't, they think 896 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,480 they're scientific for some of them, some of them really are. 897 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,520 Some of them hope to be, but they always consider themselves 898 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,240 a science based front, right versus mediums. 899 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,440 How do you want to bridge that gap and how far? 900 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,320 Should you push it one way or the other? 901 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,800 You know, I think that one of the things is that understanding 902 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,520 that mediumship and paranormal like going on investigations 903 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920 there, there really isn't any difference between the two 904 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600 because both sides are trying to reach out to spirit. 905 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,280 The the mediums tend to be in the I mean, I've never run into 906 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,080 a medium who is just like, well, I think I can reach out to 907 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,880 someone. They're pretty confident about 908 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,680 it. And paranormal investigators, 909 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,600 they are either in going on investigations, they're either 910 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,440 confident about it or they're also which, which in the way 911 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,120 that I investigate, you know, you get some investigators who 912 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,480 go into location and what they're hoping to do is have 913 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,400 something happen that helps them put something to to help them 914 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,480 understand that there is something more out there. 915 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,720 Like there's investigators who they don't necessarily believe, 916 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:54,040 they want to believe, but they need more than just a, you know, 917 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,640 something coming through a spirit box. 918 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,760 And I appreciate that and I respect that. 919 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,080 Where I'm just like, you know, you know, can someone come and 920 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,680 talk to me? And there's like a a bee that 921 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400 lands on the window. It's like, oh, what's that, You 922 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,920 know, that I'm suddenly I'm not, I'm not ruling that out because 923 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,120 I do. I tend to investigate more with 924 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,200 my heart than with just the equipment Where where because I 925 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,440 come from the standpoint is I know spirits exist. 926 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,720 I've spoken to them. I've the stuff I've seen over 927 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,200 the years. I don't need the the scientific 928 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,720 sort of run through for me to accept that. 929 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,000 But that's my own journey and it's not theirs. 930 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,680 What what then is for Ghost Box Radio in this podcast and these 931 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,240 interviews in this years and years of talking to people that 932 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,760 you've had, what is your ultimate goal for that? 933 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,600 What do you want people to get out of it, and what's the 934 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,040 direction of it for you? For you? 935 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,280 What? Have you learned from it? 936 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,200 Like I'm just, you know, I'm very curious, like where is, 937 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,080 what's your path for it? My path for it is I want people 938 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:06,080 to to understand what paranormal is, what they when, and have 939 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,080 them come to that conclusion themselves. 940 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,400 And so my role with the radio show is to bring forth concept, 941 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,600 ideas, people that will help them understand that it's, and 942 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,880 this is this is kind of been my mantra of late. 943 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,240 It goes beyond the shows. It goes beyond the celebrities. 944 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,280 What this is is that there is there's a a great deal of, of, 945 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:35,560 of stuff out there and energies that you can use that not only 946 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,960 will connect you with with spirits, will connect you with 947 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,680 Bigfoot, will connect you with aliens. 948 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,760 At this I can, I can tell you without with absolute certainty 949 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,560 because I've experienced all of it. 950 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,040 And this is the stuff that you know, it's not, it's not going 951 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,040 into the woods with guns and stuff. 952 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,800 It's it's literally thinking of everything as energy. 953 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,640 And if I could help people understand that a little bit 954 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,400 more, at least understand where I'm coming from with it, that 955 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,440 would be great. I don't know if I have any 956 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,440 personal aspirations when it comes to spirit world because 957 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,800 I've had so many great experiences already. 958 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,720 Has anything or anybody you've ever met changed the track you 959 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,400 were on? Like you were thinking one way 960 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,640 and then you met somebody and it made you pivot. 961 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,560 I don't know, I, I've said once, once I realized that I wanted to 962 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,160 help people and, and, and spirits. 963 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,760 And that was the big thing, help people and spirits because going 964 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160 to an investigation, it's always like you're, you're a negotiator 965 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,040 if you're doing private investigations, like you got 966 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,440 these people who need help. But we can't just be like 967 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,840 exterminators when it comes to spirits. 968 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080 We have to kind of figure out how could we, how can we help 969 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,160 them and also help them understand why maybe this isn't 970 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,600 going to work and, and explain to them how this is these 971 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,000 people's houses now or whatever, come to some kind of agreement 972 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,680 with it. What I found over time is that 973 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,120 like energy attracts like energy. 974 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,600 So over the my, my time doing this, I've, I've befriended a 975 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,480 lot of people and we all seem to have the very same sort of of 976 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,760 belief system, how we want to approach it, how we want to do 977 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,480 it it. This goes way back very early on 978 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,880 for me. I was on an investigation, one 979 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,160 of the first ones I ever did with like anyone in the 980 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,000 community in the Twin Cities. And I was with another team and 981 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,680 I had my spirit box going. It's so funny because everyone's 982 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,760 like it would back then. Everyone's just like we don't 983 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,720 use spirit box. No one uses it. 984 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,080 Why are you using whatever? Sure enough, though, I'll come 985 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,760 out there like, can you spirit box? 986 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,920 Yeah, sure, no problem. So I'm using spirit box and some 987 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,880 guy from another team, he just starts yelling towards the box 988 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:55,040 like, do you want to talk to me? Do you want to talk to me? 989 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,240 And I looked at him and like, nobody wants to talk to you. 990 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,640 I don't know why you're, why are you even saying that? 991 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,400 Because he saw it on the TV show, you know, because I, I 992 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,600 know that I know exactly who he's trying to emulate there. 993 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,400 And I just, that was where I kind of decided my mantra for 994 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,560 anything Ghost Box was this isn't, this isn't our story. 995 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,880 This is their story and they being our clients and the 996 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,440 spirits and everyone who I've worked with has always been in 997 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,600 line with that. And not because of me and maybe 998 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,720 some because of me a little bit, who knows, but more so because 999 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,320 of we are all thinking the same thing. 1000 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,160 With what you just said, you know, you brought up a really 1001 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,360 good, an interesting point here about, you know, you had to 1002 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,880 you're with somebody and they behaved a certain way based on 1003 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,400 what they probably saw in the media. 1004 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,680 What what do you think the future of paranormal media is? 1005 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,000 I mean, you know, like the TV let you know, legacy television 1006 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200 is it is on its way out. We've got a few shows there that 1007 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,720 are still left with a few people that are big names and they're 1008 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,600 still doing their thing and they have, you know, I don't knock 1009 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,920 anybody. They got great fans and they 1010 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,040 there's things that and I know people that make those shows 1011 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,920 right. So that's right. 1012 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,440 And I know what they're doing and how they're going about it. 1013 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,320 But now we've got social media where it's short form 1014 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,360 programming and podcasting is getting bigger. 1015 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,840 What where do, where do you fit? Where do you see yourself 1016 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,920 fitting in? And where do you see what are 1017 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,840 they going to be doing right? What do you want them to be 1018 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,160 doing? How? 1019 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,000 How is this all playing into what you believe is the proper 1020 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,240 way to investigate and where it's going? 1021 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,280 Oh, it's a hard question because I just, I have a very cynical 1022 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,840 view. First of all, I'm not going to 1023 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,360 lie, my, my view is very cynical on mainstream paranormal because 1024 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,920 I just see so many people asking for money. 1025 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,360 I see so many people who, and I'm, and I mean people who are 1026 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,440 known, people who are somewhat known, you know, I, I get, I get 1027 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,640 it, times are tough. But there's people who have been 1028 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,280 doing it long enough where they can't get a, a, dare I say a 1029 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040 real job, you know, I mean, that they've, they're so embedded 1030 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,960 into this now. It's, it's really tough for 1031 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,480 them. You know, I, I feel like 1032 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,040 sometimes I want to scream, go into a Paracon and scream at 1033 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,280 people that this isn't the only way paranormal works. 1034 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,160 You know, it's, it's, there's so many people who do like the 1035 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,080 extreme experiences and stuff. And I understand. 1036 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,120 I mean, I, I've been through all that in my own way thinking that 1037 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,600 that's the way it should be. I don't think that's the way it 1038 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,760 should be now. But then again, that's just my 1039 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,120 opinion and I, I have to learn that my opinion is not a fact. 1040 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,440 You know that. I want your opinion. 1041 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,920 I want to hear what I want to hear. 1042 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,200 I want to hear your direction. What is the way we should be 1043 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,240 doing it? But I, I, I am always a kind of 1044 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,320 middle of the road kind of guy. So even when I'm saying 1045 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,760 something that it's like, ah, you know, I get annoyed by this 1046 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,720 part of me is also like, I also know that that doesn't apply to 1047 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,240 everybody. I, that's the, that's the 1048 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,320 problem with being so down the, down the, down the center, as I 1049 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,720 often am with almost everything. But I don't like, I don't like 1050 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,720 paracons because paranormal investigators, they tend to 1051 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:17,960 think that they become, they become celebrities at these 1052 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,560 things. And I understand it's great to 1053 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,840 be able to be recognized and it's great to be, you know, 1054 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,240 like, oh, what you do is cool. I get all that. 1055 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,720 But you know, you, you go to some people's Facebook pages and 1056 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,160 you're like, come on, just lose the ego. 1057 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,280 Come on. It's it's, you know, and and 1058 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,800 it's it's. Unfortunately, it's 1059 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,120 unfortunately a necessary evil. Right. 1060 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,720 Because there's no other way. There's hypocrisy of what I'm 1061 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:47,320 saying because I'm making money off my radio show, you know, and 1062 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,080 and I just, you know, that's that's the thing about and 1063 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,680 everyone has a right. If they can get to a certain 1064 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,440 place and they can make money off of it, they should. 1065 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,600 I just hope that it's not, you know, about, you know, I sound 1066 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,920 like a like a dad or something. I hope that they're they're 1067 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,800 finding a balance, the balance. It sounds like that's what 1068 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,880 you're what you're. You know I. 1069 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,720 I was going to say, John, you know, he's right. 1070 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,880 But it's like also, I think what Greg said at the beginning about 1071 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,320 himself where not to psychoanalyze because I'm not, 1072 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,320 I'm not qualified to do that. But when you said you had 1073 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,600 imposter syndrome, I think it's almost like you feel bad that 1074 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,600 you're making money off this where it's like, and I would say 1075 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720 to you, Greg, don't you're you've been doing this a long 1076 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,360 time. You're good at it. 1077 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,320 There is no shame in making a living doing it and having 1078 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,880 people pay you to do it. This. 1079 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,600 Is what you do. And it's like this is how this 1080 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,040 is what whatsoever, you know what I mean? 1081 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,440 Like this feels like a part of the imposter syndrome for you. 1082 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,400 It's like I've been listening to a lot of your shows before, you 1083 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,480 know, when I to come on, it's like you have great guests, you 1084 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,720 have a great rapport with them. It's very casual, it's very 1085 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,840 smooth and people feel really safe with you. 1086 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,880 It's really nice. You should be paid for it and 1087 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640 you should make money off it. And it's and I would say that's 1088 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,200 the way it goes. You know, it's what you know, 1089 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520 why should we? Why should anybody do something 1090 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,960 they're good at for free? You know, it's in my. 1091 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,120 Anyway, that's just my. There's there's, there's also a 1092 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,240 lot of people who want to come on the show and I won't allow 1093 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,480 them because I don't like them. You know, I just, you know, 1094 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160 there's just a show, right? Well, and the thing I, I have to 1095 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,960 like and believe what they're doing to have them on because 1096 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,200 that because, like you said, Gary, this is a safe place. 1097 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,120 It always has been and always will be. 1098 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,240 And to do that, you, I have to believe in what you're doing. 1099 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,640 I. Want to know who he doesn't 1100 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,600 like? Who don't you like? 1101 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,200 Oh hell no one. 'S you could see very actually 1102 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,000 pretty simple, you know, like one of the things, one of the 1103 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,800 things I've been railing against, quite honestly, is the 1104 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,600 whole Jason has conjuring house. I mean, I've been very open 1105 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,160 about it on the on the show and, and to be very clear, it's not, 1106 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:56,800 it's not about it's not about anything other than like you 1107 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,320 spend your money how you want to. 1108 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,880 First of all, if you decide that you want to, you want to put 1109 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,320 money into helping Jason Haas buy a house, you are more than 1110 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,000 welcome to do so. That is your prerogative. 1111 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,360 What I would ask people who do that is to please don't forget 1112 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,880 about the local establishments that that they don't have a 1113 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,200 Jason Haas advocating for them in their corner. 1114 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,800 You know those, those then there's a lot of them out there 1115 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,480 and you know, I, I good for Jason using his stardom and a 1116 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,920 celebrity and he's a good guy. I mean, I've, I've met him. 1117 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,760 I, I think he's a really nice guy. 1118 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,560 I just please, folks, there's more than just what that's on 1119 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,640 the TV shows or the TV celebrities. 1120 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,040 You know, the open your broaden your mind a little bit. 1121 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,960 That's why I don't have, I don't have people who are celebrities 1122 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,120 like that on my show because I want to bring in people that may 1123 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,440 not get the exposure that that they, they deserve as well. 1124 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640 So you know. I hear you that that I that's 1125 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,560 listen, that's respectful. I I get your point. 1126 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,000 Full disclosure for us, we would love to have Jason Hawes on the 1127 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:04,920 show. We've asked him. 1128 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,440 He's actually said he would do it, but then we never heard from 1129 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,000 again. I think we I think the phrases 1130 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,160 got ghosted. We did have Andrea Paradon and 1131 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,800 we did promote her look incredible. 1132 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,560 She incredible. And you know, she's this, this, 1133 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,120 this. Purchase is something she was 1134 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:26,960 for, so we certainly promoted it for her, you know, and that is 1135 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,240 that's interesting. You know, I would love to I know 1136 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,240 look, by the time I would get him on this whole thing might be 1137 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,880 done. I, you know, I don't really know 1138 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,440 the ends. And I think the problem is he 1139 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,440 can't. He, I think the biggest problem 1140 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,680 with this whole ghost house purchase thing is that he can't 1141 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,160 explain it thoroughly for reason, for whatever legal 1142 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,920 reasons he's embedded with. Because I don't understand why 1143 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,200 it was a GoFundMe and not a Kickstarter other than speed. 1144 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,080 I'd love to know why that is. It's very strange to me to just 1145 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,440 ask people for money to do something for yourself and as 1146 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,080 opposed to a Kickstarter and then people. 1147 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,200 Well, isn't that? I think Kickstarter whole thing. 1148 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,800 Right, like my whole thing is this, when the dust falls with 1149 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,880 that entire situation, we will see the end result. 1150 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,240 And if the end result and you know, maybe I'm speaking out of 1151 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:27,360 pocket, but if the end result is an affordable investigations for 1152 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,920 the paranormal community, then we got our answer. 1153 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,520 I hate to say it that way, but it's the truth. 1154 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,440 Like if, if, if your average Joe, if your average guy that 1155 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,440 wants to investigate the paranormal can't go in there 1156 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,080 affordably. Well, I just think, yeah, I 1157 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,760 mean, that's all fine and good. What the end result is. 1158 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,840 I'm just saying I'm talking about we're at the beginning 1159 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,960 and, and it's unclear the impetus of those things. 1160 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,920 And also I think at the end of the day, whoever spends the most 1161 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,880 money is going to get it. And I, I just think that 1162 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,160 probably, of course, the, I think it's Elton Cassidy and 1163 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,960 those and Matt Rife have more money and they're going to 1164 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,000 probably wind up getting it. I mean, I, I can't imagine they 1165 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,920 wouldn't. And they own the other house and 1166 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,360 they'll just make it 1 big conjuring universe, which is, 1167 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,280 you know, who gives a yeah, but it's like, I don't care. 1168 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,080 More power to them. It's like, you know, again, this 1169 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,480 is what they're into. They have this whole brand for 1170 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,760 it. And if they buy it, that's their 1171 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:21,760 business. I don't care. 1172 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,800 And if even if even if Jason gets the house and he decides to 1173 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,040 to rank up the charges on it. And then it's like people get 1174 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,880 mad at him, but it's like, all right, well, what'd you think he 1175 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,480 was going to do? Do you know what I'm saying? 1176 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,680 It's like, you just bought a, you just bought a business. 1177 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,240 So it's like, that's fine. We bought a business for him. 1178 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,200 Well, you know, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't 1179 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,200 support it. But I mean, but that's that's 1180 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,600 where and it kind of what you're saying Gary earlier and I know 1181 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,240 that we're veering widely off topic and I apologize. 1182 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,320 No, no, it's all right. It's all. 1183 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,200 Right I. Don't. 1184 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,640 This is exact. I asked, and this is exactly on 1185 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,680 topic because I want to know how you've been doing this for so 1186 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,080 long and it's interesting when you're as a meet as a host. 1187 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,800 So no, it's not. Well, and, and, and so like, 1188 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,280 the, The thing is, it's like part of me is like, you know, 1189 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:09,680 he, I don't think, I don't think Jason's scraping like any 1190 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,640 quarters together. I mean, I think he's doing 1191 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,720 pretty well. Why do, why do we need to turn 1192 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,680 this into a, any kind of crowdfunding of any kind? 1193 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,280 That's I, I never understood that. 1194 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,120 And I, I don't know Jason's finances. 1195 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,760 I I've, I've obviously don't but. 1196 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,760 That's why I think that's why. That's why I don't go up against 1197 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,960 it, right? I don't understand and I don't 1198 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,880 think he can fully explain. Which puts him probably in an 1199 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,600 awkward position to have to eat the shit from people who are 1200 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,760 slamming him because he can't speak to the real. 1201 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,240 Why was this the best method to go about this to achieve this 1202 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,600 goal? Unless and and that this is me 1203 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,000 giving the man the benefit of the doubt is not being somebody 1204 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,640 who's nefarious, who's like twisting his mustache saying I'm 1205 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,240 going to do it this way so I can make spend my own money less. 1206 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,840 I mean, I'm. Assuming he's got plumber, 1207 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,920 right? Yeah, he's still a plumber. 1208 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,280 Yeah. You know what, this is as simple 1209 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,800 as, hey, listen, he was out of the game for a while. 1210 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,440 He's he's stuck to his roots. He still, you know, still did 1211 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,200 his, you know, roto-rooter. I think that's the company. 1212 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,200 We're sort of the roto-rooter. You know, he's still doing that, 1213 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,560 You know, and now all of a sudden somebody comes and pleads 1214 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,840 to him, hey, listen, I want to preserve this place. 1215 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,840 And he's like, all right, I got to do what I got to do. 1216 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,000 We don't. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1217 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,480 We can't. We will never know. 1218 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,480 Like we'll never know the truth until maybe later. 1219 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,120 But it's like, who knows? But that's that's why I give the 1220 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,240 guy the benefit of the doubt I have. 1221 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,040 I refrain from saying like like being one of the negative. 1222 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,320 Yeah, super negative. Hope that when the dust falls, 1223 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:48,040 the average guy could go, average man or woman and 1224 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,000 everything in between can go and check that place out. 1225 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,000 I think, I think we're moving away from that in general, not 1226 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,040 just with the Matt Rife story or condry. 1227 01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,520 I think there is enough bigger paranormal businesses that are 1228 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,840 taking on locations that are making things that are going to 1229 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,600 eventually make things a little bit more higher price because 1230 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,120 they're seeing what's going on around the market. 1231 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,160 I mean, Lizzie Borden, we're. Already seeing that, Greg. 1232 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,360 You're right. We're already seeing that. 1233 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,600 Yeah, Yeah. And Lizzie Borden's house got 1234 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,040 even more expensive, and that was already expensive, so. 1235 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,680 And it's just kind of like, yeah, you know, but I mean, it's 1236 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,120 what it is. I mean, that's just supply and 1237 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,560 demand. Too, though, right, guys? 1238 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,800 I mean, it's like the when the UFO thing sort of booms with the 1239 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,840 government releasing information, all of paranormal, 1240 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,200 all ships rise at the tide and everything paranormal sort of 1241 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,280 got back into the the, the heat of things, you know, and, and in 1242 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,200 the public eye. And then sure, prices are going 1243 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,440 to go up, man. People are going to want to see 1244 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,680 these things and, and want to go with them. 1245 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,920 But I think the real point is, Greg, ask people for money or 1246 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,200 like, up your charges, up those ad rates, bro, make that money. 1247 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,280 You're good at this. I'm, I'm at the corner of 1248 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,400 streets every day with a little hat on the on the sidewalk. 1249 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,440 That's kind of how I've been doing it with a, with a little 1250 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,280 guitar so. Yeah, listen, you got to fuel 1251 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:05,600 that I. Don't know how to play guitar 1252 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,960 so. Right. 1253 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,400 What would be your advice then for people you know who are new 1254 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,760 and coming into this world now with the media as it is, with 1255 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,280 what, what they have access to Because look, let's face it, 1256 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,040 right, the gateway to entry is much easier, right? 1257 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,360 Anybody can go out and do it. Most people are going out. 1258 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,440 There's a lot of people going out there and doing it. 1259 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,200 So what? What would be your advice to 1260 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,720 them to either for not only success but for credibility? 1261 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:38,480 I think obviously open mind when it comes to the media, enjoy it 1262 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,040 and it, you know, there's nothing wrong with watching the 1263 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:47,120 YouTube stuff or anything, but always remember that don't 1264 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,640 always take things at face value. 1265 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,440 Be skeptical. How you know, open mind, but 1266 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,520 still be skeptical. Don't you know? 1267 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,040 I mean, if, if I'm telling people that I have Mary Todd 1268 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,960 Lincoln on my spirit box, push back if you don't believe it, 1269 01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,440 you know what I mean, You'd make sure that you are, you know, 1270 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,760 being true to what you're feeling about certain 1271 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,400 situations. But, you know, I'd also just 1272 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,640 remember that don't be rigid either in in what you're 1273 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:17,080 thinking that I'd, I firmly believe that there aren't rules 1274 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,920 in the paranormal when it comes to, you know, even orbs of all 1275 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,040 things. Just be open minded and have fun 1276 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,280 with it. Thick big orb controversy. 1277 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,840 Who you are you watching Anybody that you're having fun watching 1278 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,680 that you think are just doing something different out there? 1279 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,680 Not really, no. No Part of it too is I, I'm just 1280 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,120 so over it and I come, like I said, I come from a background 1281 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,840 of television editing. So I can see the edits pretty 1282 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,760 easy. When, when they try to present 1283 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,120 something as linear and you're like, Nope, that's not linear. 1284 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,120 That's not linear at all. Gary, I would. 1285 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,400 I would suspect you do the same thing, that you could see it 1286 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,360 pretty quickly too. Oh, for sure. 1287 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,960 I mean, yeah, and I and I know. So I don't, you know, it's it 1288 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,800 doesn't, it doesn't bother me unless it takes me out of the 1289 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,880 story, right. Like I'm watching like there's a 1290 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,800 guy, you probably have seen him and we're going to have him on 1291 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,600 soon. Who's who's who. 1292 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,360 I absolutely love his name's Jake Bruce. 1293 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,120 He's like the like he makes me laugh hysterically. 1294 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,880 He like goes into the house and he blasts music at the spirits. 1295 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,359 I mean, listen, I don't give a what anybody thinks. 1296 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,120 He it's it's something different. 1297 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,200 It is a different, just like when John started cleaning 1298 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,600 headstones. It is a new way to go about 1299 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,920 doing something we've we haven't seen before. 1300 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,760 It is the most fun thing he'll get every now and again. 1301 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:38,920 Sometimes he doesn't get anything. 1302 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,520 Every now and again he gets something that's wild and it is 1303 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,880 so fun to watch. I find it like a disruptor. 1304 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,120 You know he's a disruptor to the to the mainstream, right? 1305 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,600 It's so. Respectful too. 1306 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:57,880 And it and it plays into the medium in which he is, you know, 1307 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,760 a part of right into the short form vertical media. 1308 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,960 It just he's work like to me he's. 1309 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,800 Working him and his brother, him and his brother. 1310 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,240 Yeah, and they do now. They think they do separate 1311 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,200 things, but it's like they, but they are like to me, that was 1312 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,600 different. That stood out to me, like, Oh 1313 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,720 my God, right, right away. Like that's the kind of thing 1314 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,240 that attracts me to this. And I'm all new to this, right. 1315 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,800 I've been doing it now for a little over a year. 1316 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,439 So it's always very new, like when we met like Monique too 1317 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,319 soon, right, The drag queen ghost time. 1318 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,880 It's just she's amazing and she goes in and it really speaks to 1319 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,560 this energy of, you know, she's putting everybody up, up in 1320 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,120 everybody's energy. And does that have an effect, 1321 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,640 You know, the room that she's in And like that to me, super 1322 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,000 interesting, right? So I think there's way that 1323 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,680 people out there that are doing things that are cool that I 1324 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,240 enjoy sort of checking out. Well, and the, and the thing 1325 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,960 with her is that there's not going to be a lot of people who 1326 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,240 are going to see them be like, Oh, I'm going to do that, You 1327 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,320 know, I mean, and that's, that's, that's the big part 1328 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,520 about it. I'm one of the things, one of my 1329 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,680 bane of my existence, especially at events, is the Estes method. 1330 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,400 I am not a fan of it whatsoever. And I think you have to really 1331 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,920 trust the people you're with to do it. 1332 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,600 I think doing it with, with strangers is, is not a great 1333 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,880 idea personally. I mean, I and I, we just, we 1334 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,840 just did an investigation last Thursday. 1335 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,880 And one of the people who came to the investigation and me 1336 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,720 being as hospitable and kind as I am always, she's like, oh, I 1337 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,560 brought stuff for the Estes method and I just like vomited 1338 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,440 on the spot. And she's like, and she's, and 1339 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,440 rightly son, I shouldn't have done that, quite frankly. 1340 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,320 And she's just like, why don't you like the Estes method? 1341 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,960 And I said, because every single time we're in an area and we're 1342 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,440 not getting a lot of hits on spirit box or anything, and you 1343 01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,600 put on someone does the whole thing for the Estes, sure 1344 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,040 enough, you're going to either start getting a lot of swearing 1345 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,400 that suddenly is coming through that wasn't coming through 1346 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,320 before demonic stuff, all this stuff. 1347 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,120 And it's like, I'm not necessarily saying that people 1348 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,040 are lying, but it just seems very suspect that did. 1349 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,560 You see, did you happen to see our our thing? 1350 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,520 We did it like a group Estes method. 1351 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,760 Did you know? Did your? 1352 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,000 I hadn't seen that, I'll have to check that out. 1353 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,320 All right, so here's what we did. 1354 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:19,080 So we did, we got the guys who do silent disco, silence 1355 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,720 activations. They sort of helped us out. 1356 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,040 So they gave us all those those headphones that are all linked. 1357 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,360 And we plugged in a couple of the apps and we changed up 1358 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,520 various apps to it. And we had about, we had about 1359 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,840 15 to 20 people to start. And then when we actually 1360 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,200 started rolling, about half of them quit, didn't want to do it. 1361 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,720 And then one person left in the middle of it. 1362 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,960 So we had about 10 people to do it. 1363 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,320 And what we discovered, which is amazing. 1364 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,160 So first of all, we learned what we did wrong when we were doing 1365 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,720 it. One, when people are sitting 1366 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,000 next to each other, you'll get a couple of delayed yells, so they 1367 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,960 could still hear the person next to them yelling. 1368 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,360 So we really next time would try to isolate as much individually 1369 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,960 as we can. Two, people hear what they want 1370 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,240 to hear, right? So some people would hear their 1371 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,120 own name, right? So like a lot, a lot of people 1372 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,600 hear their own name and especially like some of these 1373 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,880 people went by handles, you know, like from, because there 1374 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,800 are a lot of John's mods that he invited was one of his mod 1375 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,880 parties. And so that was fascinating. 1376 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:29,640 But when it did connect, when there was direct Q&A in unison, 1377 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,480 that was really weird and wild. I believe it. 1378 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:34,320 To have I. Believe it. 1379 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,320 So we had a lot of fun doing we have it was, yeah, we called it, 1380 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,720 you know, we, it was our, it, it was our, it's our group bestest 1381 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,600 method episode, you know, and it was really, we want to do it 1382 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,000 again. And hopefully we'll get more and 1383 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,360 more people like, I'd love to do it like a, you know, I'd love to 1384 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,960 do it if I had Mr. Beast's money, I would do it with 1000 1385 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,520 people and see, you know, and ice them in, you know, in cubes 1386 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,520 with 1000 different cameras and mics on everybody individually 1387 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,160 to really do it. But at least we did it first and 1388 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,560 we tried to do it. But yeah, it's, it's I'm, I'm 1389 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:13,640 enjoying this world, right. You know, and I got into it 1390 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,800 through John and I'm fascinated. Some people call me a skeptic 1391 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,120 and they there's a nuance to it. I'm not, I ask a lot of 1392 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,000 questions and people get sometimes get bent. 1393 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,840 But it's more his experience. And I'm the novice more so than, 1394 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:28,920 you know, the believer in the skeptic. 1395 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,320 And yeah, I describe it, you know, to people. 1396 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,520 It's like, you know, if a kid asks you a question, like, why 1397 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,880 are you doing this? You're going to answer them. 1398 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,360 It's like, oh, I do it like this because of this. 1399 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,280 But when an adult asks you a question, why are you doing 1400 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,840 this? They think they, they put their 1401 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,800 guard up. Like they think I'm going to 1402 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,520 dunk on them or something. I'm like, no, dude, I really 1403 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,000 just, I don't understand it. And I really want you to explain 1404 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,320 it to me why you do certain things. 1405 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,720 You know, I get it. I get it. 1406 01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:53,400 But. Greg, I want to thank you for 1407 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,000 your time. I mean, this is really great. 1408 01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,240 I love having an experienced not only investigator, but media 1409 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,480 host and podcaster and radio host on here. 1410 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,400 It's very fun watching the show. Everybody you know and we're 1411 01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,480 going to put up links to Ghost Box radio. 1412 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:14,040 It'll be in the link tree in my bio right after this airs we 1413 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,800 reach we're going to re drop this episode tomorrow. 1414 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,960 It'll be nice and clean without the echo in the beginning. 1415 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,120 It'll be nice and smooth wherever podcasts are with more 1416 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,080 links to Ghost Box radio. So please check it out follow 1417 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,360 Greg wherever you can follow him. 1418 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,560 I had a lot of fun. It was really interesting dude. 1419 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,120 I hope you did too. I hope it was good. 1420 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,520 It was great. Thank you, I really enjoyed it. 1421 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,960 Well, that's it for another episode of Splintered Spirits. 1422 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,800 Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to our YouTube 1423 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,040 channel, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1424 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,480 Until next time, stay curious.