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You know how I do. I start teasing it.
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What? They're live.
Let me drop what I was doing. Let me burn that roast.
Keep that. Drop that, baby.
Let me drop that baby. We'll see what's going on.
Put this, you know where the bodies at.
Let's. See baby Kitty in an hour.
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Who's first today? Hi, Heather Ratten.
You know, let me get a chat going too.
Heather Ratten's first What's? Up, Heather.
Heather. How are you?
We'd like to see you Judy Steele.
It's a great name. Judy.
You know Judy. Yes, I do 1.
Of your regulars? One of your regulars.
Yeah, the vegulars, the veg. Cheers, Yeah.
Everybody knows your name. What's up, Judy Steele?
Judy Steele sounds like an author.
Like she writes like. Yeah.
Like like crime romance novels? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get the
chat going. Whatever Hale Hale's like.
I didn't know it was Thursday. Hale's drunk.
Yeah. Hell, I didn't even know you.
Didn't know it was Thursday. There's Robin.
Robin, you weren't first today, I'm sorry to tell you.
It's Thursday. Hell, it's Thursday.
Yes, it is. Andrew Crick.
All right, we got about 20 bodies in there.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Splintered Spirits.
Hello. Hello.
I'm your host, Gary, with my nephew John Santa from Santa
Paranormal, where we try to figure out what the hell spirits
are. John and I had a great week this
week. We we interviewed, we've had
some great interviews and some good episodes and guys, we've
got maybe the paranormal power couple of the century coming up.
We interviewed Tessa and Nick Groff.
Yep, separately. So we've got just two full
episodes with those guys. They are amazing.
And Nick tells all, dude. I mean, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. He really does.
He's a really nice guy, awesome dude and he shares everything.
So it's a pleasure to have him come on the podcast and share
his story. You know, he doesn't have to
tell. I, I'm always amazed, you know,
people, I'm thankful they come on and then they open up like
that to us and it's like, God, I thought it's.
It's an, you know, it's like, hey, you know, they won't have
to say the things they say and open up the way they do.
And they really do. They really, you know.
It was great. Nick was a super nice guy.
Tessa was amazing and so fun. They're really fun.
Next time we have them, we'll try to get them on together, but
they are, but we wanted them, you know, like that.
We'll do like as we get these people back and forth.
But look, I, I feel really, I mean, look, Jesus, Nick Roth, I
mean, the guy's an OG. He's in one of the original
architects of what all you ghost hunters out there know of as
ghost hunting. If you don't and if you don't
know who Nick Roth is, guys, he's the he's the creator of
Ghost Adventures, him and Zach and the other guy, what's his
name? Andrew, Andy, Aaron.
Aaron. Sorry, Aaron.
The three of them, three buddies.
And then life happened and you know, they had a big falling
out. What happened to the bands?
What happened to the band? The band broke up.
But it was, look, man, he shot that original doc and he made
it. Now we had it from the old
school and today we have a guest who is the new school.
Guys, We've got a guy, you know, Jake the Ghost Hunter, Jake
Bruce. I don't know if he's come up in
your feeds. This guy makes me laugh so hard.
He is a paranormal content creator.
He's a disruptor. I mean, other than when I first
saw you cleaning headstones, John, I have I very few people
do something completely different.
And if you don't know Jake, he like attacks the ghosts with
music. Is he like, oh, it's great.
It's so funny, right? I would, I would play it here,
but I think I'd get beamed by the music licensing.
You know what I mean? That he does 'cause it right.
I can only show the clips on YouTube or something on
Instagram or Facebook pending on the thing.
But he comes and he just blasts music to the ghosts and then he
gets absolutely terrified. I guess he's look, we're going
to bring him on right now. He's in the lobby, ladies and
gentlemen. Jake Bruce.
Here we go. Let's get him in here.
This guy is the shit. Hello, how you going?
Jake, how are you? I'm.
Good. How are you guys?
Really good man. You can hear us OK.
Yeah. Can you hear me?
Yes, perfect. There might be a slight delay,
but it's OK We'll figure. We'll work through it.
Sounds good. It's good.
Jake, it is. I'm so glad you came on.
You are It's A to me. You make me laugh so hard in
this paranormal space. The the content you create is so
different in my opinion and it's so fun.
Tell me a little bit how you got into this.
What was that thing that made you say This is what?
Not only that I'm interested in ghosts and spirits or being
scared, but this is my approach, how I want to know the mind that
made that, that that does that. It took a while, honestly.
So at first I started my brother Noah and we started the YouTube
channel that called Spirit Stalkers and it came about
mostly from our childhood. My dad always took us to
Gettysburg on vacation with my mom.
We'd go there if I'm family like every other year it seemed like.
And it's it's quite a long trip. I got there too, but I'm, I'm
25. I think I've been to Gettysburg
at this point over 30 times. It's kind of crazy.
So just doing that since I was eight really got us into the
paranormal. And then obviously watching
shows growing up like Ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures with
my dad, getting scared from that.
And then eventually we went to Savannah and I remember my
brother and I were just kind of talking about the hauntings
there. We we're always interested in
ghosts in history, but we were like, let's just start a YouTube
channel. So we did.
And I remember for the longest time we, we were trying to be
like those shows that we watched.
We were trying to be like super serious, like professional
researchers of the paranormal, which there's nothing wrong with
that, but it just wasn't like us.
And so I think it just took us, it took us way longer than it
should have. But eventually we just kind of
decided like, OK, let's just be ourselves.
Let's just do this the way we want to do it.
And now he's doing, he's doing his own thing, I'm doing mine.
And it's been great. So where are you from?
I'm from Indiana, we've born and raised in Indiana, both of us
so. And you're still there.
Yep, Yep.
I live in Fort Wayne and he's in Huntington, where we grew up.
Got it. All right, so.
And what did your dad do that he was so into this space?
He, I mean, he's just an engineer like that.
He's just an electrical engineer.
So that's his day job. But I mean, I think it's just he
just has had this love for history.
He's a huge history buff, specifically the Civil War.
And so that kind of just got passed on to me especially, but
also my brother. Was there any one moment you can
point to where you were like this is more than just a field
trip with dad. This is I want to know more
about what ghosts are. Is there an experience or
something that happened to you? That's not you.
That's a good question. Yeah, I think there was one time
we were on a ghost tour at the orphanage.
The Soldiers National Museum is what it used to be called, but
originally it was an orphanage right after the Civil War to
house kids there in Gettysburg whose father has passed away in
war, whose mother's weren't there, couldn't take care of
them. And there was this.
The head matriarch, Rosa Carmichael, would beat them and
she even got accused of murdering a couple of them.
But we were there on a ghost tour.
It's one of the places we always went.
And I can't remember what year this was.
It had to have been after 2012, sometime 12 or 13, around this
time, 12 or 13. And we were down there in the
basement where she would chain these kids up.
And we heard we were on a ghost tour, so there's like 10 of the
people with us. But we heard this crying sound
from behind us. So we turned around, but we were
sitting against the wall. There's no one behind us except
for the original shackles. That's the the only pair of
original shackles that were left from when she used to shackle
these kids down there. And I remember we were actually
filming at the time because we were trying to film the tour and
we would go over that footage over and over again, me and my
brother. And I remember us like trying to
dissect it and like figure out there was someone behind us,
which there wasn't. Or like if it could have been
from in front of us, it was it was wild.
That really scared us. That that's, yeah, I think
that'll do it. I mean, you start hearing kids,
you start hearing kids crying behind you that there is no
behind you at 12. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
But I think it's interesting that you took that and you just
you, you dove into it as opposed to saying fuck this.
You know you are. Yeah, it kind of, it kind of was
that. It kind of was that honestly,
like it really did instill a fear in US.
I remember specifically there was a couple episodes of Ghost
Hunters and Ghost Adventures that just really scared us as
kids. One of which I remember
specifically it's the Saint Augustine Lighthouse episode of
Ghost Hunters with a catfish shadow figure leaning over the
rail. I was like, I had to have been 5
Max when I saw that and it just petrified me.
And that's kind of, that's also kind of the way we approach
everything is like, we admit Foley, we're scared of this
stuff. We really genuinely are like our
reactions are not made-up. We are terrified of ghosts.
It's getting a lot better now, but it used to be really bad.
I was going to ask you, I, I wanted to ask you that like how
you know what is the, is the coping?
Is that why you go on the offense?
Is it more of a coping mechanism when you when you do it, it's a
sort of like to set? Yourself up.
It probably is. Yeah, I think that's definitely
especially when I'm live streaming and people are like,
why are you so loud? And I'm like, well, first of
all, I'm trying to hang out with you guys.
Second of all, if I'm loud, I can't get scared because I can't
hear anything. So so that's kind of that is
kind of it. Everyone for years people were
just like, oh, they're just exaggerating.
Like whatever. We really were not man.
And we are we, we were so terrified of ghosts.
It was a legit phobia. I couldn't even walk around my
house as a kid without like looking behind me and being
scared of every little dark corner.
It was bad. So Jake, what when when you're
on the offensive, as Gary calls it, and you're blasting the
music, What? So this is a two-part question.
What genre seems to get the most reaction and what band or
performer has gotten the most reactions for you You.
Mean from the spirits, man. From the spirits, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, First of all, I have to say full credit to my
brother. He is the one who started this
music thing and I just kind of picked it up because it worked
for him. And I was like, you know what, I
like music too. What I would always do on live
streams for years is sing. Like everyone would make fun of
me for singing where I'm scared. Like people still do like, oh,
he's singing. That's how you know he's scared.
And so no one took it a step farther and just started blaring
music. So all credit to him.
But I don't know. I think I don't know if it's a
specific genre. I think it's just how loud it is
and just how much, how much energy you're putting into a
building. That's another thing that we've
always said is I think that a reason we've always gotten good
activity and good evidence really anywhere we've gone is
just because we're so like outgoing and we don't go there
and just sit there and go like, hello, who's here, blah, blah,
blah. Oh, that was a knock.
Like we, we actually reacted and like more power to people who
can actually do that. But since we were scared we
would have big reactions because we're freaking out.
And then I think that just puts more energy out there and more
things happen. So the music is kind of that on
like an elevated level where it's just like when you're
blaring music on any genre, it's just like it either really makes
them mad or they love it. I don't know which one of those.
It's one of those, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, look, I certainly discovered you through the
music, but I also noticed, I mean, look, your other video,
you're a content creator. You're also, you know, you are
literally in, in this next generation of paranormal
investigators and everything else.
You are using the medium to its full advantage.
You're very good at shooting, You're very good at editing.
I, I feel like I have the authority to say that I've been
in the entertainment business and producer for over 25 years.
Your stuff is well made. It's just really well made.
So how walk me through, you know, a planning of a big
episode 'cause now I've seen you really started getting into like
you've done, like I'm testing all the apps, I'm testing all
this gear and it's quit and it's done perfectly for this medium,
the fast edits, the fast cuts. So what goes into walk me
through how you really put this stuff together and and the kind
of thought you put into it? When we first started, we used
to really just kind of wing it. That's what we thought everyone
did. And I think there are a lot of
people to do do that. But the longer we went on and
the longer I went on specifically, like starting last
year after Noah left the channel for his own reasons, then
started doing his own stuff, I really was like, OK, I, I'm
already full time, I, but I need to make this work.
I can't like I, I literally can't fail at this point.
So I was like, OK, what, what is going to make this pot for me?
And so I started focusing on ideas, not just the standard
like, oh, I'm investigating here.
And it was scary and oh, I'm going here and it was scary,
which is kind of what I feel like a lot of people do
nowadays. I was really thinking like, OK,
I need to do things that are different.
So testing ghost hanging ABS or like going to three different
Airbnbs or just, it's not even that big of a tweak, but just
making it more of an, of a, a story.
Like if I didn't have a story to tell for a video, I don't do it
anymore. So even if you know, like just
take Waverly hills because everyone knows Waverly hills.
If I'm, I will not film a video there at this stage unless
there's a very specific idea that I know that I can tell a
good story with. And what that idea is could
vary. But anyways, what I'm getting at
is what I do nowadays is I literally write out an entire
script top to bottom of, you know, this is where I'm staying.
This is my intro. The intro is written out, the
outro is written out, the transitions are written out.
And then those bullet points for the, obviously for the ghost
time because I don't know what's going to happen.
But that way it's just a lot more structured.
And I know before I even go somewhere and spend the money
that I have a good video because it's basically made on paper.
And that sometimes at this point, I've been taking that
part really seriously. And so it takes sometimes weeks
to get that done. And then when I go, it makes it
a lot easier. It makes it just a lot easier to
just go through. Because before we were just
winging it. So we didn't know if I would
have a good intro because I, I remember I'd always just sit
there and be like, OK, what am I going to say?
And nothing was written down. Barely did any research on the
place. We watch a few like episodes of
Ghost Adventures or whoever was at this place.
But now it's like I do weeks of like research.
I have the whole plan out. I know that, the exact title,
the thumbnail, everything. And that has really made all the
difference. Like ever since I started doing
that, that's when I had my first big video that got over
1,000,000 views on YouTube. And yeah, it's been great ever
since then. That's I love hearing that.
I I love it. You create a shot list.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I like that you
take it seriously. I like and and 100% shows it
absolutely. Shows appreciate that.
I appreciate that. I really do.
There's no question. It's it's so fun.
It is so fun. So Jake, go going going into
that, you know when you're when you're laying it all out and I
know you said you left bullet points obviously for the
experience because you don't know what's going to happen.
Has that ever changed because of a location like what you had
laid out, what you were going to say and all of a sudden you had
the experience and you were like, OK, I need to tweak this a
little bit. I need to tweak that.
Yeah, how many audibles you have to call when you're out there
and something crazy happened? I mean, honestly, I think it's
happened every single time, to be honest, every time since I've
done it like because, because again, like it's just it'll be
like, you know, a voice over will be written out of say, like
in my latest video, we went to the museum that's in my hometown
where my dad caught a shadow figure.
So I'll be explaining that it'll be bullet point investigate
shadow figures. So in that whole bit, I have no
clue what's going to happen. And if I get a really insane
piece of evidence, like say a door slams or something, I'm
obviously going to have to then go back through, do another
voice over, maybe tie that into something else.
And then the other thing is there's so much that I film and
even maybe I have a bullet point for do this.
And then when I'm editing, I'm like, either I don't have time
for that or it just didn't turn out how I like it or how I
wanted it or doesn't fit the story.
And so I cut it out. That's the hardest part.
That's what took me a long time to learn is cutting stuff out.
It's really difficult. And you're being flexible, which
is awesome because a lot of people get stuck and they're
like, this is my masterpiece. Like reality.
Yeah, you got to be able to know what to chop.
Yeah, I saw this Venn diagram where it was, and this really
changed my perspective on like content creation, what I do,
where your videos should be, 1 circle is what you want, and
this circle is what the audience wants.
And then that little Gray area, that's where you have to focus.
So a lot of times, like I tell people, if I was doing exactly
what I wanted to do, I would film exactly like Project Fear
Ghost Adventures. It'd be like the most serious,
like scientific investigation of all the time.
And it would be like an hour or something long.
But it just doesn't work, at least in my experience for me.
So that's why I've opted for a lot shorter, trying to show my
personality more, etcetera. Did you ever did you ever let
the I haven't seen, I've look, I've seen a ton of videos,
mainly shorts and I watched a few of the longer ones.
But do you ever let the audience in on that?
You know, in a sense where it's like, guys, I just came in here
and I thought I was expecting a Saturn figure, but instead now
I'm dealing with door slams. And I know that's a shitty
example, but like, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
You know, did you ever, do you ever push because you created
the 4th wall? But then do you ever knock it
down for your own audience? You know that like and show.
Them like in a video, is that what you're saying?
Like in the final. Like in the video, rather than
rather than rewriting the intro to base, base it around how the
story shifted. Sort of like guys, I know I said
this, you know, but I thought I was coming in here for this, but
now everything went S like letting it people know that it
went SI don't know. Yeah.
And I think that's that kind of also was a mental shift too,
because what I used to do was I would be so stuck in my previous
plan or what I thought was a plan.
This is before I ever scripted, But and I I took everything at
face value. I don't know if it's because I
was younger or just getting started.
It was like, fine, but we I didn't like think about anything
too deeply. But now I'm to the point I saw
someone else, I think it was Ryan from, you know, the
BuzzFeed unsolved show, Shane Ryan.
I think they're on watch for now on YouTube.
They're really good, but they had like a BuzzFeed YouTube
channel where they would ghost time and he was doing a podcast
and he said that he wants to respect the intelligence of his
audience. And I realized looking back, I
was like, that's something where I didn't even respect my own
intelligence. I would just like take
everything at face value. And so now I I allow the video
to like, I allow things to be debunked or like in the video
I'm doing right now, we went to the cemetery where there's this
legend that but if you go to the top at midnight and turn around,
it's supposed to be like some caretaker.
And we went up because it was fun.
It's fun for the video. But then you go up there and
it's like, OK, literally nothing happens.
But instead of changing the entire video, I just roll with
it. I think it makes it better by
doing that, honestly. Yeah.
Who's on your? Team and authentic.
Yeah, and. Authentic to your experience.
Exactly, exactly. And that's The thing is like I
never, I never was inauthentic. I just, I never dug into
anything and it's like I almost put up this barrier where I
didn't want to debunk anything or I didn't want to prove that
something we got was wrong because it just like I wanted to
have the experience so bad. But now I've done this so long
that I'm just like, you know, if something's if something is
stupid to me or if that was like clearly the wind, like just say
it, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's kind of
funny. If anything, it's just kind of
funny. Well, what's interesting about,
you know, when you do something that is so produced, like you're
doing what what you know, yes, you're leaving things open, but
you are clearly very thoughtful at how you're producing it.
You run the risk of obviously people saying it's produced and
it's fake. Yeah, yeah.
Especially in this thing. But so I'm I'm glad you're
explaining yourself what I mean. Do you even do you get a lot of
trolls? Do you hate?
Do you? Do you how?
Do you handle trolls? How do you handle trolls?
I'm always fascinated by it because I'm not good at it.
It's been a joke between my brother, my friend, my best
friend Clayton and I that we might be the most hated people
in the paranormal. And it's it's kind of just like
funny to me. John, I think John has something
to say about that. All right, so.
So hold on, I would. I Yo, Jake, there's room right
here next to me. Dude, you got you.
Can you can join me on that because I have had some of the
most horrible experiences. I ignored that or I make a
spectacle of them. Either I ignore them completely
or I make AI never banter with them and go back and forth
because they're just listen. You know you made it when people
hate you. Oh yeah.
You know you made it when people hate you 100% and, and you know,
it's, it's, it's, it's good to hear somebody else say that.
James it really. Is it's horrible that it's the
same man. It's good to hear someone else
say it. I knew from I knew the moment I
watched it when I said this guy like he's so different.
This is so different. He must be fucking hated because
most of these, they want to see this.
They want to see the traditional.
And yes, of course there's a lot of great traditional and there's
a lot of great room for it. But this is like different and
they're going to just think he's a make.
He's either making fun of them or making fun of the side.
Whatever the fuck they think, who cares?
But it's so it's so, but you're also, so you're look, you know,
you're a young guy. I mean, I don't know how that
hits. Does it hit different to be in
the social media world and get that kind of thing constantly
and just keep pushing through? Or do you ever sort of just like
I'm going to give it to him a little bit.
I mean, I think I, I really don't know, like where I got
this trait from. I, I have no clue.
I really don't. But I feel like I've always just
been able to like handle it fairly well.
My brother struggled with it for a while.
That's actually one of the few reasons why he ended up leaving
is just because it was every he was going through his own
personal struggles and us getting the amount of hate that
we are getting every day. I mean, I'm still to this day
banned from a handful of places that I can't, I'm not allowed to
go because the owners hate me so much, whether or not I've been
there, just because I've heard from other people that like,
hey, this person told me that you're not allowed back or you
can't go in the future. There's creators that have gone
out there and just said horrible things about me too and and
ruined possible future collabs with people that I looked up to.
It's been bad. And that's like, we try not to
talk about it too much, but that is one of the reasons why my
brother left. I don't think very many people
know that is he was going through his own stuff and he
just could not handle it. He's a lot better with it now.
He's a lot better with it now, but.
Jake, I was wondering that too. And I, I, I was actually going
to ask, but you know, you're bringing it up and you and your
brother, you know, there seems to be no beef.
There seems to be no animosity. It seems that the reasons why
you guys split I, I honestly, I thought it was for business
reasons, but you know, it seems like it's, it's deeper than that
and you know, that's, I just wanted to make that point, you
know. It's social media, you know,
social media is, is devastating for for younger people.
It's a state. I mean, it's a mental.
Health thing 100% is. It's a mental health thing and I
do find it. Yeah, man, it's like the the
look, there's a tenacity to you that clearly you've got.
And I'm glad your brother is is pushing through it too.
You know, with all that shit, who's on your team?
Who's on your team with you when you go out and you're producing
this stuff, how many people? What do you?
What's it comprised of? Technically it's just me.
Oh, OK. So, but I I usually try to just
collab with different people a lot of times, especially
recently again with all that, like for the last two years, the
hate has been insane. I've lost so many connections
that I've just been like, you know what?
Let me just shrink my bubble. Me and Noah versus the world and
my friend Clayton, he's back in it now.
And then I have my my childhood best friend Evan.
He comes with me. He's been with me the past four
or five videos now as like a camera person, like help me film
and stuff. And I think he's just probably
going to keep going. So technically it's me and Evan
now officially. So it's nice to finally have
somebody to like handle some of the the stuff.
At at least it's filming for me when I'm somewhere.
Sure. Yeah.
John and I, John and I were just talking about that.
Like I go out and and it's, it's like I got all this stuff.
If I ever have to leave, if I, I've done a couple of episodes
of the podcast where I'm like on my own, it's on on a location,
very few. And something will always either
happen. And it's usually because I
forgot to hit record or I forgot to hit this one button or I
forgot to plug this one thing in because there's so many things
going on. And it's like, God damn it, I
wish I had APA with me or something.
Just a reminder. Yeah, it's a, you know, and
you're trying to make this shit happen.
I'll tell you what, Jake, you ain't never going to get that
sort of hate over here. We ain't never going to get any.
Thank you. Thank you.
Love what you do. I love what you do.
And I appreciate that. Me in my paranormal space, Well,
the thank you and your brother up and down.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I appreciate that a lot.
It's it is nice. Like we we've definitely found.
I'm not saying that like my life's miserable and like feel
bad for me, like it really doesn't bother me, but it did
get fairly bad, but I think it honestly just gave me more drop.
Sometimes I wonder where my motivation came from and I think
genuinely some of it is just to like show these people that
they're wrong, which like which makes it, you know, in
hindsight, I'm like, maybe God allowed this hate to happen
because it was going to fuel me. Because that's another question
I ask is I don't know where I got like the motivation to do
this. It's been almost five years now
since we started our channel originally and it's just been
non-stop for I cannot I can't even believe it's been five
years. That's crazy.
But before the channel, like I wasn't like a like a not a lazy
person, but I don't know like my drive just came out of nowhere.
So I don't know if it's like my love for this.
I don't know if it was the hey, I don't know if the prove people
wrong. I don't know.
I don't know what it is, but I do love what I do.
It's. Keep doing it man.
Listen man, allow me to take a stab at this.
Sounds like it came from your dad, dude.
It sounds like your dad was just like this force.
You know what Gettysburg being an electrical engineer, just,
you know, all of it. And it sound like, you know, he
raised 2 good boys and you know, you're using that to just, you
know, piss people off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially the ghosts. Especially it is.
Definitely a lot of ghosts. My dad.
I love my dad. My my dad's been he's he's
amazing. He they both my parents have
never once like told us to stop doing this.
They've never once like gotten out of this for it, which I've
seen, I've seen other creators that are friends of mine where
they do have issues where their parents aren't fully on board.
And I, I just feel so bad for them man.
Because like that's the one thing that has been solid is
I've never had to worry about my parents being mad at me for
doing this. Because when we first started, I
was 20, my brother was 16. We were still both living at
home. So like we were very young when
we first started and they just let us just let.
Us go. Just know that maybe one day
you'll get older and you'll have a wife will get mad at you like
John and I. It's like when you have to go do
something stupid. Yeah.
Let me ask you this, talking
about, you know, some of the things you've made here.
You know you did a big experiment with apps, tech gear,
right? Yep.
What surprised you the most when you did all those head to What
was the big revelation for you? Two of them actually, I think 1
was with the apps because I decided like for the video
because there that video had been done before.
That idea of like testing ghost hunting apps was done by Faze
Rug. He's a big YouTube who
occasionally does ghost hunting stuff.
But I was like, OK, I'm going to make it a little bit different.
So I actually interviewed a couple of like the creators of
the apps and they sent me over like not code, but they fully
explained to me like how they work.
And I was honestly surprised that like it's with a few of the
apps, it's literally the same as a $1000 obulus or something that
you would buy. Like they are the same.
So, so it's like that did surprise me.
I think it surprised a lot of people too.
And a lot of people think like before I kind of did that video
also because I used the app on streams.
And then I was like, OK, like, let me actually do this for
video #1. Because I think it's interesting
#2 I can prove to people that I'm using these and there's a
reason and they work #3 showing them that they work.
Because I don't think anybody really knows that.
And they actually, I think a couple of them really do.
But the biggest surprise for me was I actually took the video.
It's not down, but it's private. So you maybe you didn't see it.
It was when I tested Timu stuff. And there's a there's a reason I
private it because we can, maybe we get into that in a second,
but it's nothing bad. But I use Timu equipment and
Timu is known for like super cheap, like sure badly made like
Chinese products. And I, I got a bunch of stuff
like a spirit box, a ghost hunting kit, a full on, it's
literally right here, a full on thermal camera.
And what surprised me is the thermal camera works perfectly.
There's not one problem with it. It works beautifully.
And it was like $90.00 versus, you know, if you get the thermal
camera that like Project Fear uses, what people use on shows,
I think they go up to 13 grand, which is ridiculous, which is
crazy. And obviously those are like,
you know, they're 4K, they film, you know, all that kind of
stuff. This one just takes pictures.
But still, it surprised me that like, you don't have to just buy
the hundreds of dollars worth of go something equipment from like
the two sides that there are. You can get cheaper stuff and it
actually doesn't work. Oh, OK.
So I thought that was interesting, yeah.
Well, yeah, like, you know, it shows that the gateway to entry
for this, if you're a real really passionate about it, you
can figure out, you can make it happen for yourself and use
these tools. Exactly.
John, one question on this real quick.
Do you, so do you use tools a lot or is it, you know what I
mean? Like how do you, do you
incorporate that into your, well, I, I guess, and I'm sorry,
here's the better question. Do you, do you call yourself
like an investigator or are you really going out there and
investigate? Like, what do you want to know
when you're in these spaces? I do.
I do call myself an investigator.
There's people that disagree. I think I the term I usually use
is like is just ghost hunter. I think it just sounds cooler, I
guess. I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. It's not really that deep.
But for me, it's more of just, it really is just about having
fun, like I really do. I'm a huge history buff.
I get to go to the craziest, most historic places in the
country that I've never thought when I was a kid that because,
you know, you saw on TV so it felt inaccessible.
But now I'm like, oh, I actually can go to the Nevada State
prison or to Gettysburg and go to the orphanage and I can do
all these things. So for me, it really is just
like living out that childhood dream of like, I'm visiting all
these places I've seen on TV and I'm experiencing things that
some I can't explain. Some things I can.
But either way, it's just fun. And I grew up like, well, all
my, you know, friends or people my age would be playing video
games. I was never a video game person.
I was the guy who the second I got my first iPod 5 is what I
this the first like phone that recorded that I got.
I was making like movies on iMovie with my friends and I was
like 11. So it's just those three things,
like just having fun making content and like exploring
historic places and looking for the unknown and getting scared.
It's just all that combined. That's right.
So I don't know if that makes me a ghost hunter, a content
creator, a parallel investigator, a mix.
I have no idea. I really don't know.
That's all right. So if, if, if you had to pick
one piece of equipment and that's all you could carry with
you for for an investigation, what would you pick?
My gut just says the DR60. For me, that's what my gut says.
The DR60 EVP recorder, I don't know what it is.
I just, I, I, I love it. I love it that if I had to pick
one thing and it's so small, that's probably what I would
choose. Yeah, cool.
It's a great answer. All right, Yeah, Yeah.
I think mostly though, like I think you were kind of hinting
at like do I use a lot of things?
What's funny is people get really mad at me on especially
on TikTok because I don't use very much.
Well I get the same. I get the same hate dude.
It is so annoying man. I rarely get things out, but I I
just, I would rather for the video and for my own sake, I
would rather see something or hear something than like see a
rampod start to beep. You know, I was like.
Well, that's in fact, yeah. That that is why I asked what do
you consider, you know, how do you identify as a ghost hunter
or as a ghost investigator? Right.
That's the whole, that's the thing that John, John has to
constantly remind people that he is not a an investigator.
He documents spirits because otherwise they look at him like
how dare you be in this location without 6 cameras and A and a
tripwire and a rampod. It's like you need Pelican cases
full of shit that like, well, I don't because the reason I don't
have it is because I don't give a shit about any of that.
So it's like, I'm not here to do that.
So so if you want to see that, go somewhere else.
So it's like the audience has this expectation of you need to
roll up on the scene with a van full of big black cases of gear.
But that's not what you do. And that's like, in the same
way, that's not what John does and that's not why we're here.
And it's, it's a, it's, it is a distinction, right?
You, you're, it sounds like you're there for the experience
of interacting with something unknown and yes, the fun, right?
So that's great. So let me ask you this, because
I ask everybody this, what do you think it is, dude?
What do you think spirits are? What is the unknown to you?
What? What are you dealing with?
Oh man, I really, I've gone back and forth on this forever.
In fact, I was just talking with my friend Mandy.
She, she is kind of a parallel investigator.
She works at the Laurels House of Horror.
I don't know if you've heard of that place.
It's a haunted attraction in Maryland.
It's a real haunted attraction, but it's like extremely haunted.
And they didn't know that. And so I started building the
haunted house in this old movie theater.
But they invited me out many times.
I've talked to her and I think she put it in a perfect way.
It was just like a few weeks ago and it clicked in my mind.
This is kind of how I feel some days I believe in ghosts and I
think that we die and maybe people can stick around for a
little bit. Maybe it's like a purgatory type
thing before you go to heaven or hell.
I don't know, because I'm a Christian so that's where it
gets confusing for me. But then there's other days
where I'm just like, this has to all be fake.
Like there's no way I actually experienced this.
There's probably a reason that I, I thought I saw a ghost when
I was 10. Like there's no, I was probably
dreaming. And then I start going through
the list of everything I've experienced.
I'm like, maybe it is all fake, like what's going on?
And then there's some days where I'm I, you know, I have a really
bad experience at a place or, you know, with my Christian
faith, I just think like maybe it's all demons messing with us.
I don't know. It's all demons.
Like for for real, though, like I, it's, it's one of the I I
don't know. That's that's my guess.
But then also I think it's kind of fun to go into like, you
know, could it be us from the future?
Could it be time travellers? Could it be frigging aliens?
Like, could it just be I'm experiencing when I'm in a
place, I hear somebody go hello out loud, there's no one there.
Could that just be the voice of somebody that was there like 50
years ago? Maybe they're not necessarily
dead. Like I could go on and on and
on. I I just think it's interesting.
So I really don't know. My gut tells me it's probably a
mix of demons and people just hanging out and they're here.
They're here for some reason. Maybe they don't want to move
on, maybe they're not ready to and they're like still attached
to their to their physical life. So far, So far, we asked this
question to every guest and that might be one of my favorite
answers. Man, right on Jake that.
Is awesome. It's like, really the demons.
People are just hanging out dude I love.
It, I really don't know. I've experienced a mix of it
all. I, I feel like I've truly
experienced over the last five years a mix of all of that.
I really do. And there's just depending on
where I'm at and who I'm with and what exactly happened.
I feel like it could be a number of things.
That's, that's the other thing that make people really mad at
me, I think is I'm just very open minded almost to a fault.
Like I just, I know that I don't know.
I don't know. I think it was Socrates that
said that or something. I know that I don't know.
That's what I say all the time is I, I just don't know.
I'm just here to figure it out and just see what happens.
Well, I'll tell you, I'm just gathering like you're there for
the experience like that's. Really.
I was just going to say you're, you got, you nailed that on the
head. Yeah, I mean, you're on the head
with that and. And with that, what?
How do you feel your relationship with fear is now
compared to when you first started doing this?
It's it's so much better. There's still times where it
gets to me even even there's the school that I go to to go live
at this in Ohio. I go there all the time.
Like for the past year, I think I've been there at least once a
week, sometimes three times a week.
But it still scares me when I hear something and there's not
supposed to be anybody there. But I figured out that now I'm
not. So I'm not scared that it's a
ghost. I used to be petrified of the
thought that it could be a ghost.
Now I'm more scared that it's a person or that I'm getting
messed with or that I'm going to get hurt.
So I feel like the fear is shifted from a fear of ghosts to
a fear of people. I think.
And then I think overall, when I mean when we first started, we
walk into a place and our backs were against the law.
It doesn't matter if it was daytime, doesn't matter if
there's 30 people in there. I was at any second, I would
over analyze everything. I would hyperventilate.
Like literally about what if something touches me right now,
even if it's broad daylight didn't matter.
But now like I'm going into an abandoned.
I talked about this the other day actually, because I was just
there. I was like, I'm literally
driving an hour and a half by myself, pulling up to an
abandoned building, unlocking the front door and walking in
and walking around by myself, talking to the chat on the live
stream, but talking to myself. Basically, there's no one else
there and I could just do it. Now that would have.
If I told myself I was going to do that three years, even two
years ago, I would have thought I was insane.
There's no way. I think you're insane for doing
it, if that helps. Yeah, I think it's awesome.
I think it's a little crazy. I mean, and and John and I talk
about this. We've been talking about it a
lot lately. It seems like, you know, it's
always there's always this qualifier in front of this, the
abandoned this, the old this. It's like I've never heard
someone tell me where the haunted Four Seasons is.
That's where that's active. Like I want to be in that.
That's the that's the place I want to investigate, you know,
and just. And oh, the Southern mansion in
Cape Bay, Terry Townhouse Estate and Terry Town.
That's where I'll go. That's where.
I'll go beautiful places that are haunting where you can get a
massage, take a swim at the pool.
That's that's to deal. With some spirits.
I would love a massage ghost. What are what?
Are there any boundaries for you?
Anythings you won't? Anything you won't do?
Any rituals you won't do or locations you won't touch?
Definitely not locations I won't go to unless it's like I've been
really wanting to do a video at the, at the Island of the Dolls
in New Mexico or sorry, not New Mexico in Mexico City, Mexico,
but the canals. I've heard I have a friend of a
friend who lives there and obviously check the news.
The cartel uses the waterways. So I don't feel like dying.
So that video is on the that video is on the back burner for
the time being. So if it's like actually
dangerous, then I, I obviously won't go.
And then in terms of like investigating things, I would
say like a Ouija board is up, but I've done it.
I've done a Ouija board more times than I can count and I'm
fine. I definitely try to stay away
from that. And then anything like if we're
like trying to summon, like if someone's trying to summon a
demon or something, I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing anything like that.
You did a great, you did a great video where you did like all the
games, rightly tested all those games.
Yes, yes. God, tell us about that.
Tell the people about what you did.
I mean, they could find it on your YouTube channel because
it's awesome from Ouija boards. And then there was like a weird
dice game. And then there was like another
weird card that it was. It was great.
Yeah, So I just did a video where basically just in my
apartment, I was just like, what can I do in my apartment That
would be awesome. This is the dead of winter.
And I was like, oh, I could just like, play a bunch of like,
haunted games, like Bloody Mary. And I did more research to see
like what other types of games like people do like, you know,
like mostly like that kids do like when you're in middle
school and you think it's, it's kind of a scary time at the
sleepover or whatever. So I was like, I'll just do all
these games because it's kind of like the audience I'm going for
is people who wouldn't play them.
And I think it'd be cool to see if like not only if the game
works, but also like set up equipment because nobody's done
that, that I've seen where you actually set up some stuff and
see if like a Rampod goes off after and when you're playing
Bloody Mary and stuff. So that was actually really
interesting that that that. Was what did you get out of it?
Was there a game that you're like, yeah, I'm not doing that
one again? Most of it was kind of bunk, but
the one was called Sarah Sarita, which is supposed to be like a
Mexican folklore game where you summon the spirit of Sarah
Sarita and then you flip. You're with another person and
you each flip 1/4 over your head while asking questions.
And basically if you both get heads, it's yes, if you both get
tails the answer is no. And then if it's like mixed,
it's a maybe or whatever. But obviously in my mind I'm
like, this doesn't make any sense because obviously a
spirit's not going to like manipulate 1/4 mid air and make
it land. But we were getting really weird
answers. It was really weird.
But what I kind of theorized was like, say there are non human
entities or demons or whatever you want to say.
I feel like when I'm playing a game or when you're doing
something like that, or even just investigating and you're
asking for something or you're investigating something, even if
that thing or person doesn't exist, something could just be
pretending to be that and like use that as a gateway to like
communicate with you. So maybe it's not Sarah Sarita,
it's probably not Sarah Sarita, but it could be some other
spirit or entity just being like, screw it, like I'll talk
to you right now. Why not?
Yeah. Jake, what go?
Ahead. No.
Go ahead. No.
No, you go. I was.
Just going to say, besides that, I think most of the games were
kind of just fun little party tricks, basically.
Yeah, they're games. They're games.
I don't think any of them actually truly worked.
All right, if you had endless funds, what where?
Where it's your place, Where do you want to go and what do you
want to film there? How would you do?
It if I had endless funds, I would, yeah.
You got you got Mr. Beast's money now what are you going?
To do first thing I would do, I've already thought this
through. First thing I would do is I
would do a video where I do 50 haunted locations in 50 states
in 50 days and I would just have an I would have an editor and
every single day I would go film and stay somewhere, send it to
my editor and drop it the next day.
And I would just do that 50 days straight.
That's what I would do. OK, awesome.
I don't think it I don't think anybody's ever done that where
it's a full 50 video haunted series all in a row non-stop
road trip. I think that'd be so cool.
I would go to, I'd go to places like Alcatraz because that seems
fairly off limits, but I would, I'm sure if you through the
National Park Service enough money.
You can get enough. You can probably.
It was fun. Lesser, lesser names have gotten
in for sure. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, exactly this. You know, that's yeah, yeah.
Probably Vaglia, Iowa and Italy. I'd go overseas.
I'd do all like the castles and things in Scotland.
Now, now we're getting, we're getting past the 50 states
thing. Now you're talking like now
you're becoming Animaniacs. Yeah, we do the 50 states.
Then we would just keep it going.
We just do all the states now, whatever what's.
The most terrifying place you've ever been, a place that makes
you go shit? I'm going to go back there
because the content is amazing, but I'd rather not.
I think OK, well, the the scariest place officially would
be the when I went to the Blair Witch Forest, which was I can't
remember the State Park. It's where they filmed part of
the movie in Maryland. It's right near it was right
near Baltimore, which is why it was really sketchy.
But. It's this.
There's this, there's this ghost town at the end of an old road
that's abandoned, so it's in the middle of the woods,
everything's overgrown. And there's like a little ghost
town with like a little stone church, but it's 2 miles away
from the nearest like access points.
You have to walk 2 miles down this road.
And we did it. I just did like a video.
We were going to go see if like, first of all, the Blair Witch
legend was real or if there's anything haunting the forest if
people say it is haunted. And then if the church is
haunted. But we go back there and there's
these group of people across the river and they were all wearing
like, I kid you not, they're all wearing like black pants and
white shirt. They were all look the same.
They were like doing these weird drums.
You can hear it in the video. There's like a boom, boom, weird
stuff. There's like, these weird, like,
Calvary horns going on. It was so creepy, man.
And so we were just like, they were across the river, though.
And we made it to the church. We're like, OK, we'll
investigate it. So the sunset, we're
investigating the church. We keep hearing people
approaching us. And those people weren't there
anymore. So we're like, OK, like, maybe
we should just leave. And we eventually heard
footsteps way too close. We ran down the trail.
We start to hear people behind us in the woods like barking,
like dogs screaming at us making all kinds of weird noises so
that this point we are literally sprinting.
And we get to the there's a house about 100 feet from where
the little tiny parking lot is by the road.
And we finally got to that point and we thought we were safe.
So I turned the light on and the camera and I'm like OK dude that
was crazy. We're all like sweating and all
the sudden 6 gunshots like right in front of us, right in front
of us. And so we jump onto like the
Stonewall, we're hiding on the staircase down the trail.
So we are literally thinking like, yeah, we're dead.
Like we're going to die. Like, and my brother, this is
actually one of the few reasons why he left as well.
It was so bad and traumatizing. He completely had a, a mental
like psychotic break. He was bawling his eyes out,
hyperventilating, which obviously rightfully so.
He's also four years behind you, right?
You said he was four years. Yes, yes, exactly.
So this is terrifying, this whole.
This is terrifying. We're not even talking about
ghosts. Anymore, this is not fun.
Yeah, these are crazy people. You know, God knows what rituals
and you guys stumble upon them. Yeah, yes.
So we literally hide. In a shed then for 45 minutes we
called the police, but it was they took 45 minutes to get
there and we got put on hold we got put on hold by the by the
dispatcher for a little bit I don't know why, but we did so we
had a we had to hide in the shed and thank God we filmed the
gunshots because when the officers showed up they didn't
believe us and they were they told us that the house that we
were in the shed of was state property.
So he was going to take us to jail right then and there, but I
was like, wait, I have it recorded.
Please just hear me out and watch this like I promised.
So yeah. But nothing.
They, they supposedly investigated it.
Nothing ever came of it. I have no idea who shot.
And it wasn't like far off gunshots.
It was right in front of us. But I never saw who it was.
But that's why I said technically that's the scariest
place because that really was the scary, most scared I've ever
been. Yeah.
But part of.
Location wise I don't. I'd have to.
Think about it, but I think that my first gut reaction is Sweet
Springs Sanitarium would be the scariest remorse.
Where? Where's that located?
What state is that in? It's in.
It's right on the border of West Virginia.
In Virginia, I think it's in Virginia, though.
I think it's right across the border.
It's in Sweet Springs, Virginia. It's a massive sanitarium.
Have you heard of it, either of you?
No. No, I'm not.
Oh, really? It was shut down now.
I haven't heard I I believe it's shut down now, but it's a
massive sanitarium and I something about it dude was not
right in that building. I don't know, I don't know what
it was. We we thought something broke
and at one point and we captured on camera and heard clear as day
a human whistling like it wasn't, it was right.
It's the same thing as the gunshots.
It was like within 15 feet of us, but there was no one there.
Then we were hearing like glass breaking and footsteps all over
the place. We never saw anybody.
We heard like these weird distant like howling screams and
the vibe was just so bad. Dude.
Whenever I think of Scariest Place, that's the first thing
that I think of just gut wise. Anything with the name
Sanitarium in it. Is going to be awkward yeah yeah
I mean what are we talking about I.
Mean, come on. Yeah, exactly.
Jake, what do your fans ask? Of you these days, what do they
want to see you do? Man?
That's a. That's a.
Really good question. Definitely surprisingly like my,
my goal is that I, I'm full. So right now I'm full time, but
it's because I'm doing live streams, YouTube, a billion
other things. I want to just make the videos
because that's where like my heart is, is that that's what I
want to do. So I want eventually the streams
to stop. But every time I say that people
get they start freaking out because literally on a daily
basis I get probably 30 people messaging me, if not more.
Like when you going to go live? When, when are you going to do
this? Like when are you going to go
live again? If I don't go live for two days,
I get a a bunch of messages. Where have you been?
Are you OK? Why aren't you live?
So I think probably what they want to see is me to keep going
live and doing the live streams. I think it's because it's easy
for me to like interact with them that way and talk with them
and say what's up and we can basically it's a big hangout.
But the other thing, maybe this is more of a me thing, but I'm
just trying to make my videos more entertaining.
So that way, you know, obviously we can build the fan base.
More people will enjoy them, make them more enjoyable.
Again with the Venn diagram thing, like trying to find a mix
of like, what do they want? Some people want to see ghost
hunting, some people want to see me just explore.
Some people want it to be funny, but some people want to be
scared. So like, how do I put all of
that in like 1 video? That's what I'm that's what I'm
focused on is just doing that. I have no doubt you'll keep
doing it. Listen dude, I.
I can't thank you enough for for coming on.
It is such a pleasure to meet you.
I got I got I got. I have one more question for
you. So our big thing on.
Look, we. Are the the underlying theme of
splendered spirits is always you know what are spirits, right?
We're painting, we're putting together this mosaic from
different perspectives of what are spirits and you answered us.
What if you had to design one experiment for us to push that
question further? What would a Jake Bruce, what
our spirits experiment and video look like?
Oh man. I had, so I, I had this idea, I,
it was like a kernel of an idea that I got from one of my
creator friends, but he was talking to me.
I can't remember what the experiment is called, but he
does. He's a big YouTube Shorts
creator and he does a lot of these videos about like science,
science experiments that make you hallucinate, whether it's
like sleep deprivation. There's one where you put ping
pong balls in your eyes with a little hole in it and you stare
at a red screen for 30 minutes and you start to see shadows.
I would do stuff like that where you like put yourself through
the ringer to see if you can. Basically.
I don't even, I didn't get this far, but I think basically you'd
end up finding out number one, is it hallucinations or is there
more to it than that? And then #2 would be like, can
you putting yourself through the scenarios attract spirits or
entities of some kind? And then who or what are they?
I think that'd help you answer the question.
That's what I would do. That's a It's funny.
Your mind goes there, right? Because a lot of times you hear,
when do people really sort of hear about or feel spirit
communication? A lot of times it's that moment
of right before sleep or bed, right?
And like, that's when alien abductions oddly happen, when
people are, you know, half asleep.
You know, there's. So there's certainly something
to whether it's because your mind is more open in those
mental states, but there's something definitely fun about
that, that level of experimentation in this space.
Yeah. I've talked about doing it.
I. Might do it, I don't know though
because some of that just seems a little bit too.
He was telling me with the ping pong thing there's a name for
it. I wish I could remember but he
was telling me and he doesn't believe in ghost one bit.
But he was saying after he did that he was seeing people dart
past him and walked towards them and he said he like he will
never do it again because it scared him so bad.
So. So it's a charm for somebody.
Maybe. John and I walk around with ping
pong balls on her eyes like a. Couple of yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's see if it works you. Know Jake might have make.
Jake might have just made that shit up so that we do it and
then he can laugh. He's like, I can't believe those
two. Yeah.
So I'll just be like, yeah. I got him good.
Yeah, I fucking. Got.
Him, by the way, if that is true.
I would respect and be like, dude, he's the kid.
Like I would love it if I got punked like that.
It's like, did you see what they did?
They actually did it? I would the ping pong or
something like that. That'd be crazy.
Did the ping pong experiment. Oh my God, Listen, I.
Got this is Jake. Bruce, everybody.
Jake Bruce, official on just about every platform.
His stuff is so great. It's so unique.
Does anybody in the chat have any?
We are live. Does anybody have any questions
for him? Speak now forever.
Hold your peace. He's got things to do.
This guy's got videos to shoot. Oh my gosh, I just found the
public chat button. What's up, everybody?
Just like I. I thought there was a button
somewhere. I just never I didn't look for
it. So just now, Oh man, anybody
have anything to say anything to say?
Look if you. Came in late.
I saw some of your like Oh no we're late.
I dropped this. It drops everywhere.
Podcasts are available tomorrow you'll be able to see the thing
in its entirety. Well, one person asked about the
the. Suicide forest in Japan?
Oh yes, about that. My Evan, my camera guy and my
friend, he has been obsessed with Japan since he was a kid.
And he was like when we when you going to Japan, like when he
we're playing a trip to Japan at some point.
But I told him I wanted to film there.
We were discussing if I would get like cancelled because
that's what happened with Logan Paul was when he went there and
filmed a dead body. But I was like, I think if we
did it right, he's not that cancelled.
So I mean you, you should be, yeah.
Exactly. And that's why I told him I was
like, well, look at. Where he is now.
So I was like, I think if we did it right and we're just
respectful about it, I think that would be really cool
because that's why I told him that is one of our bucket list
locations. I've been there and it's like,
you know, I didn't see anybody hanging around.
Hanging literally around. But it's the odds are you just
might, you know? It's just you never know.
You never. Yeah, that's what I figured.
That's what I figured too is it's like.
The odds that you actually see somebody are fairly low, even at
a place that's named the Suicide Forest.
Like there's places here that are called the Murder Forest.
You're not going to go there and see a dead body, probably.
So I think we're disrespectful about it.
I think it'd be cool. That's right.
The field experiment, that's what it is.
Andrew, he said it. That's the one.
That's the one with the ping pong, the ping.
Pong. OK, that's it.
That's it. There it is, but have you?
Ever done the Estes method? Oh yeah, yeah, plenty of times.
What do you think of it? I'm kind of.
I'm kind of 5050. I used.
To love it. But then obviously again, like I
think about it. So I, I, I have had a lot of
times where it's been way too accurate for my comfort, I
guess. And then I'm like band, there
really is something to this. But there's other times where
I'm like, OK, I feel like this person is just saying things.
I think it really does depend on who you have go under and like
who they are as a person, because it is really easy to
just either subconsciously be. I'm not say I'm at Gettysburg in
my mind, I'm thinking battle soldier, Union, Confederate
wounded, amputation, and I'm going to hear those things as
they come through. But I think also exactly.
And I think, but I also think that if you have somebody that
just is truly open minded and is able to just like kind of just
walk in honestly and not think about anything like that.
I have had a lot of experiences where it's like, OK, there's no
way that they would have known that maybe we're talking about
something that has nothing to do with the location.
That's where I find it super interesting.
We had a fun we did an episode and you know, we.
Recorded it where we did. We had about 10 people do it at
the same time. So we had like those silent
disco headphones and we had them all in it.
And it was really, you know, we learned a lot from it and we
learned how we can do it better for the next time.
But it was fascinating for us, right?
Because some, some people yell later.
So, you know, that they heard the person next to them yell the
answer first. So they're a little bit slow,
you know, so it's like, OK, they're just copying it.
Everybody hears their own name, right?
They just, they all yell. But it's just what you said.
There are moments where everyone in unison said the same thing
and those same thing. Was dead on answering the
questions. We were like side, you know,
saying on the side and or what about what about the regular and
yeah. My, my wife.
My. Wife was walking in the
background. Nobody can see her walking,
right? And then they, yeah, they what
they say, they call it they. No, they said.
Fuck you, Lisa. And it was like, fuck you, Lisa.
And then and it's like we, it wasn't like.
We asked the question we. Didn't say anything, they say it
and it was just a weird thing when the crowd tells his wife,
like fuck you. It was just sort of a whole
thing and it was just like what is going to happen?
That's what I try to do a lot of on Estes, especially if I want
to. Like kind of test the person as
I'll do like, OK, how many fingers am I holding up?
Because if you're a ghost, you should be able to tell me or
I'll be like, what color shirt am I wearing or what color is
this thing? I'll just point to something
random. I'll kind of do like an eye
slide type thing. But yeah, it's like with
everything. That's another reason why I just
don't use very much equipment because I I've found over the
years, the the things that I never have an I always have an
explanation for equipment. Or like 90% of the time I can
come up with an explanation like why the Rampod went off.
Maybe it was my phone, the live stream with the music box, the
one from Ghost Augustine into thermal cameras.
If you open a door, it will go off.
Like I've figured out everything.
But what I can't figure out is when I hear a noise or I get
touched or some, I hear a voice or I capture a voice.
There's no one anywhere near me or a door slams.
There's no wind. Like that's what I like.
But with the equipment, obviously that stuff could be
debunked as well, but I think with the equipment it's you just
have to take everything with a grain of salt.
That's what I tell people. It's just like, enjoy it, have
fun, try to figure things out, but obviously everything you
have to take with a grain of salt, that's just how it is.
That's how everything is, even outside the ghost hunting.
Yep. Well, this is Jake.
Thank you. So.
Much your videos are great. Everybody should check out Jake
Bruce, Jake Bruce official on every site you can find it.
They're just there's no there really isn't anybody like them
that I can think of that does anything even close except for
your brother. You and your brother are very
similar, but it's, it's still, it is, it is an original take
and it is a visceral take. You're not out there.
We're not. They're not trying to solve
problems. They're trying.
It is you're trying to experience something and we feel
it. You watch it and you feel it.
You feel the fun, you feel the excitement, you feel the laugh.
It is a great experience. It really is, man.
I appreciate that. And I I.
Appreciate you too man. Thank you so much for coming.
On Yeah, thank you very much, man.
Of course. Talk soon.
So when we say goodbye, just. Leave your.
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Gotcha. Thank you.
I appreciate it. All right, Mom, Matt.
Thank you so much, Jake. Thank you.
Yep, later. That was great.
Yeah, he's awesome. I mean, he's.
Just yeah, yeah. Awesome.
Dude. He makes you feel.
I mean, got to tell you, makes you feel young.
I mean, kids like literally half my age.
And it's just like he's out there, you know, doing something
different and yeah, hell yeah. And he's a lot of thought.
And it's smart. But he's smart.
It's it's so. True.
When you are going against the grain, when you are going
against everything that's come before, when you're doing
something different in this niche of the paranormal, you are
hated. Oh, yeah, you are hated.
Yeah, you know, and there and and and that's just the way it
goes. And you know, there's another
example of somebody clearly successful, clearly on point,
knows what he's doing and is just, you know, receives hate
for it and, you know, just goes to show that.
Well, that's just the field we're in.
That's why that's goes into the whole, you know, Peri Unity and
you know, the paranormal community, which I personally
think is, well, I think we're it's it's an old load of shit.
Because there are some people that.
Were, you know, cool with it and whatnot, but the reality is
there's more hate than unity out there.
That's true. And that's but I feel like we
are doing a a very. Big part in showing that we're
not those people exactly. And it's but so it's like and
and the people who do are they're just not going to
succeed. Why is he playing music, dude?
Hey, guys. Let me tell you something, treat
yourself. Treat yourself, you like you
like seeing John do clean headstones.
This is something completely different, but just as wonderful
to see. I mean, he's out like when he's
blasting music, whatever it is, and I can't air it here because
I'll get they'll just, you know, the music licensing, they'll
they'll cut it or whatever, But it's it is hilarious.
He just blasts popular music at the spirits and then he and
then, you know, he does it until something, you know, pops off
and he gets scared and it's great.
It's really he's he's a good. That was a good one, man.
All right, listen, here's what's happening in the world of
splintered spirits, folks. Like we said earlier, we've got
interviews coming up with Nick and Tessa Groff.
We've got next week it's an interview with Ben Benjamin
Radford, another skeptic investigator.
That's great. That's on Tuesday.
Then we've got a very special episode a couple weeks from
that, which is, you know, intimacy in the spirits with
adult film star Aubrey Black, which is going to be a very,
it's very fun. If you're, if you're one of
those prudes, you might not want to watch that episode.
You might not want to watch. That's for adults.
That's for the adults. In the room, it's for the horny
adults, yes, who want to. Get who want to understand?
About sexual energy and science, guys, It was for science.
It's for science. We've got Gary Galka, guys.
You know, he's talking about equipment.
How many of you ghost hunters out there use the SB-7?
Guess what? That son of a bitch invented it.
He's wonderful and his story is so unbelievably heartfelt of
loss and love and why he's motivated to create what he
created. That's a great 1.
So we got a lot of good stuff. Kelly Curtis, the woman who did
a whole big study about the death business and spirits,
that's a great one. We've got that and many more.
We've got a lot of a lot of great creators coming on our
lives too in the next couple weeks.
I think our live next week is with another podcast duo
chumming with the spirits. These guys have been around.
They got a great podcast and that's it, man.
So a lot more to come. But again, Tuesday, new episode
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John. That's all I got today.
We had a good one. That kid was great.
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