1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Somebody. Maybe John and I walking around 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,040 with ping pong balls on her eyes like a couple 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,800 Hey everybody do us a quick favour and hit follow and smash 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,280 that like or subscribe button wherever you're listening right 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,440 now. It'll help us keep getting great 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,320 guests and make it so you don't miss the next episode. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Now out with the show. Oh. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,200 What we are live. Yes, we are. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Hello, Gary. Hello, John. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,120 What's going on? You know, I'm just excited to be 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,760 here once again because I feel like we had an incredible week 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,040 and it's only we're going to wrap it up real strong with our 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Thursday live and. I start teasing it too. 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,960 You know how I do. I start teasing it. 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,400 And then I want to get, you know, we'll give the give the 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,200 good people a few minutes to get in. 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,319 Yeah. To get the announcements. 18 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:05,840 What? They're live. 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Let me drop what I was doing. Let me burn that roast. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Keep that. Drop that, baby. 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Let me drop that baby. We'll see what's going on. 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Put this, you know where the bodies at. 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,320 Let's. See baby Kitty in an hour. 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Where are the bodies? Come on, good people, they'll 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,280 be. Coming in, they'll be coming in. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,760 They will be up. Here we go. 27 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,960 Who's first today? Hi, Heather Ratten. 28 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,840 You know, let me get a chat going too. 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Heather Ratten's first What's? Up, Heather. 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,640 Heather. How are you? 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,760 We'd like to see you Judy Steele. 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,120 It's a great name. Judy. 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,040 You know Judy. Yes, I do 1. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,280 Of your regulars? One of your regulars. 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Yeah, the vegulars, the veg. Cheers, Yeah. 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,400 Everybody knows your name. What's up, Judy Steele? 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Judy Steele sounds like an author. 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Like she writes like. Yeah. 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Like like crime romance novels? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get the 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,920 chat going. Whatever Hale Hale's like. 41 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,640 I didn't know it was Thursday. Hale's drunk. 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,280 Yeah. Hell, I didn't even know you. 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,360 Didn't know it was Thursday. There's Robin. 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Robin, you weren't first today, I'm sorry to tell you. 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,560 It's Thursday. Hell, it's Thursday. 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,640 Yes, it is. Andrew Crick. 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,320 All right, we got about 20 bodies in there. 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,880 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Splintered Spirits. 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Hello. Hello. 50 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,880 I'm your host, Gary, with my nephew John Santa from Santa 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,400 Paranormal, where we try to figure out what the hell spirits 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,120 are. John and I had a great week this 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,000 week. We we interviewed, we've had 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,600 some great interviews and some good episodes and guys, we've 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,760 got maybe the paranormal power couple of the century coming up. 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,440 We interviewed Tessa and Nick Groff. 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Yep, separately. So we've got just two full 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 episodes with those guys. They are amazing. 59 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,400 And Nick tells all, dude. I mean, yeah. 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Yeah, yeah. He really does. 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,200 He's a really nice guy, awesome dude and he shares everything. 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,040 So it's a pleasure to have him come on the podcast and share 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,320 his story. You know, he doesn't have to 64 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,040 tell. I, I'm always amazed, you know, 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,000 people, I'm thankful they come on and then they open up like 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,040 that to us and it's like, God, I thought it's. 67 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,600 It's an, you know, it's like, hey, you know, they won't have 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,640 to say the things they say and open up the way they do. 69 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,320 And they really do. They really, you know. 70 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,960 It was great. Nick was a super nice guy. 71 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Tessa was amazing and so fun. They're really fun. 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Next time we have them, we'll try to get them on together, but 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,760 they are, but we wanted them, you know, like that. 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,600 We'll do like as we get these people back and forth. 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,760 But look, I, I feel really, I mean, look, Jesus, Nick Roth, I 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,080 mean, the guy's an OG. He's in one of the original 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 architects of what all you ghost hunters out there know of as 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,480 ghost hunting. If you don't and if you don't 79 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,880 know who Nick Roth is, guys, he's the he's the creator of 80 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,920 Ghost Adventures, him and Zach and the other guy, what's his 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,520 name? Andrew, Andy, Aaron. 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Aaron. Sorry, Aaron. 83 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,800 The three of them, three buddies. 84 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,920 And then life happened and you know, they had a big falling 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,600 out. What happened to the bands? 86 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,680 What happened to the band? The band broke up. 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,320 But it was, look, man, he shot that original doc and he made 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,040 it. Now we had it from the old 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,600 school and today we have a guest who is the new school. 90 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Guys, We've got a guy, you know, Jake the Ghost Hunter, Jake 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,560 Bruce. I don't know if he's come up in 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,240 your feeds. This guy makes me laugh so hard. 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,480 He is a paranormal content creator. 94 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,560 He's a disruptor. I mean, other than when I first 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,000 saw you cleaning headstones, John, I have I very few people 96 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,440 do something completely different. 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,360 And if you don't know Jake, he like attacks the ghosts with 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,920 music. Is he like, oh, it's great. 99 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,960 It's so funny, right? I would, I would play it here, 100 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,080 but I think I'd get beamed by the music licensing. 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,840 You know what I mean? That he does 'cause it right. 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,960 I can only show the clips on YouTube or something on 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Instagram or Facebook pending on the thing. 104 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,680 But he comes and he just blasts music to the ghosts and then he 105 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,160 gets absolutely terrified. I guess he's look, we're going 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,560 to bring him on right now. He's in the lobby, ladies and 107 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,440 gentlemen. Jake Bruce. 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,840 Here we go. Let's get him in here. 109 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,280 This guy is the shit. Hello, how you going? 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Jake, how are you? I'm. 111 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Good. How are you guys? 112 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,120 Really good man. You can hear us OK. 113 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,200 Yeah. Can you hear me? 114 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Yes, perfect. There might be a slight delay, 115 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,200 but it's OK We'll figure. We'll work through it. 116 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,000 Sounds good. It's good. 117 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Jake, it is. I'm so glad you came on. 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,440 You are It's A to me. You make me laugh so hard in 119 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,120 this paranormal space. The the content you create is so 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,640 different in my opinion and it's so fun. 121 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,200 Tell me a little bit how you got into this. 122 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,000 What was that thing that made you say This is what? 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,000 Not only that I'm interested in ghosts and spirits or being 124 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,400 scared, but this is my approach, how I want to know the mind that 125 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,640 made that, that that does that. It took a while, honestly. 126 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,120 So at first I started my brother Noah and we started the YouTube 127 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,280 channel that called Spirit Stalkers and it came about 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,800 mostly from our childhood. My dad always took us to 129 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,480 Gettysburg on vacation with my mom. 130 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,080 We'd go there if I'm family like every other year it seemed like. 131 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,800 And it's it's quite a long trip. I got there too, but I'm, I'm 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,440 25. I think I've been to Gettysburg 133 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,960 at this point over 30 times. It's kind of crazy. 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,800 So just doing that since I was eight really got us into the 135 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,720 paranormal. And then obviously watching 136 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,320 shows growing up like Ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures with 137 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,160 my dad, getting scared from that. 138 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,240 And then eventually we went to Savannah and I remember my 139 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,320 brother and I were just kind of talking about the hauntings 140 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,000 there. We we're always interested in 141 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,680 ghosts in history, but we were like, let's just start a YouTube 142 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:07,720 channel. So we did. 143 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,560 And I remember for the longest time we, we were trying to be 144 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,880 like those shows that we watched. 145 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,800 We were trying to be like super serious, like professional 146 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 researchers of the paranormal, which there's nothing wrong with 147 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,760 that, but it just wasn't like us. 148 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,400 And so I think it just took us, it took us way longer than it 149 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,120 should have. But eventually we just kind of 150 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,760 decided like, OK, let's just be ourselves. 151 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,040 Let's just do this the way we want to do it. 152 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,040 And now he's doing, he's doing his own thing, I'm doing mine. 153 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,280 And it's been great. So where are you from? 154 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,760 I'm from Indiana, we've born and raised in Indiana, both of us 155 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,400 so. And you're still there. 156 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,960 And you're still there. Yep, Yep. 157 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,160 I live in Fort Wayne and he's in Huntington, where we grew up. 158 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Got it. All right, so. 159 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,200 And what did your dad do that he was so into this space? 160 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,360 He, I mean, he's just an engineer like that. 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,720 He's just an electrical engineer. 162 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,000 So that's his day job. But I mean, I think it's just he 163 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,560 just has had this love for history. 164 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,800 He's a huge history buff, specifically the Civil War. 165 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,840 And so that kind of just got passed on to me especially, but 166 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,480 also my brother. Was there any one moment you can 167 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,720 point to where you were like this is more than just a field 168 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,120 trip with dad. This is I want to know more 169 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,520 about what ghosts are. Is there an experience or 170 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,160 something that happened to you? That's not you. 171 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,880 That's a good question. Yeah, I think there was one time 172 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,400 we were on a ghost tour at the orphanage. 173 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,840 The Soldiers National Museum is what it used to be called, but 174 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,679 originally it was an orphanage right after the Civil War to 175 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,600 house kids there in Gettysburg whose father has passed away in 176 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,680 war, whose mother's weren't there, couldn't take care of 177 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:48,040 them. And there was this. 178 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,760 The head matriarch, Rosa Carmichael, would beat them and 179 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,680 she even got accused of murdering a couple of them. 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,040 But we were there on a ghost tour. 181 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,320 It's one of the places we always went. 182 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,240 And I can't remember what year this was. 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,000 It had to have been after 2012, sometime 12 or 13, around this 184 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 time, 12 or 13. And we were down there in the 185 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,040 basement where she would chain these kids up. 186 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,040 And we heard we were on a ghost tour, so there's like 10 of the 187 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,480 people with us. But we heard this crying sound 188 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,640 from behind us. So we turned around, but we were 189 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,000 sitting against the wall. There's no one behind us except 190 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,680 for the original shackles. That's the the only pair of 191 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:28,040 original shackles that were left from when she used to shackle 192 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,760 these kids down there. And I remember we were actually 193 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,000 filming at the time because we were trying to film the tour and 194 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,800 we would go over that footage over and over again, me and my 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,520 brother. And I remember us like trying to 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,000 dissect it and like figure out there was someone behind us, 197 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,720 which there wasn't. Or like if it could have been 198 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,360 from in front of us, it was it was wild. 199 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:49,560 That really scared us. That that's, yeah, I think 200 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,360 that'll do it. I mean, you start hearing kids, 201 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,840 you start hearing kids crying behind you that there is no 202 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,240 behind you at 12. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,880 But I think it's interesting that you took that and you just 204 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,640 you, you dove into it as opposed to saying fuck this. 205 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,040 You know you are. Yeah, it kind of, it kind of was 206 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,400 that. It kind of was that honestly, 207 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,760 like it really did instill a fear in US. 208 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,440 I remember specifically there was a couple episodes of Ghost 209 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Hunters and Ghost Adventures that just really scared us as 210 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,880 kids. One of which I remember 211 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,600 specifically it's the Saint Augustine Lighthouse episode of 212 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,600 Ghost Hunters with a catfish shadow figure leaning over the 213 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,880 rail. I was like, I had to have been 5 214 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Max when I saw that and it just petrified me. 215 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,760 And that's kind of, that's also kind of the way we approach 216 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,520 everything is like, we admit Foley, we're scared of this 217 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,240 stuff. We really genuinely are like our 218 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,920 reactions are not made-up. We are terrified of ghosts. 219 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,880 It's getting a lot better now, but it used to be really bad. 220 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,480 I was going to ask you, I, I wanted to ask you that like how 221 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,320 you know what is the, is the coping? 222 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Is that why you go on the offense? 223 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Is it more of a coping mechanism when you when you do it, it's a 224 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,520 sort of like to set? Yourself up. 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,440 It probably is. Yeah, I think that's definitely 226 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,520 especially when I'm live streaming and people are like, 227 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,360 why are you so loud? And I'm like, well, first of 228 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,200 all, I'm trying to hang out with you guys. 229 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,320 Second of all, if I'm loud, I can't get scared because I can't 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,120 hear anything. So so that's kind of that is 231 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,720 kind of it. Everyone for years people were 232 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,520 just like, oh, they're just exaggerating. 233 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Like whatever. We really were not man. 234 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,800 And we are we, we were so terrified of ghosts. 235 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,680 It was a legit phobia. I couldn't even walk around my 236 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,760 house as a kid without like looking behind me and being 237 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,840 scared of every little dark corner. 238 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,760 It was bad. So Jake, what when when you're 239 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,000 on the offensive, as Gary calls it, and you're blasting the 240 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,040 music, What? So this is a two-part question. 241 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,560 What genre seems to get the most reaction and what band or 242 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:58,840 performer has gotten the most reactions for you You. 243 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,280 Mean from the spirits, man. From the spirits, yeah, yeah. 244 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,560 I don't know, First of all, I have to say full credit to my 245 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,480 brother. He is the one who started this 246 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,000 music thing and I just kind of picked it up because it worked 247 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,600 for him. And I was like, you know what, I 248 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,720 like music too. What I would always do on live 249 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,400 streams for years is sing. Like everyone would make fun of 250 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,640 me for singing where I'm scared. Like people still do like, oh, 251 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,080 he's singing. That's how you know he's scared. 252 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,680 And so no one took it a step farther and just started blaring 253 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:26,320 music. So all credit to him. 254 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,120 But I don't know. I think I don't know if it's a 255 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,560 specific genre. I think it's just how loud it is 256 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 and just how much, how much energy you're putting into a 257 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,040 building. That's another thing that we've 258 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,480 always said is I think that a reason we've always gotten good 259 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,560 activity and good evidence really anywhere we've gone is 260 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,880 just because we're so like outgoing and we don't go there 261 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,680 and just sit there and go like, hello, who's here, blah, blah, 262 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:54,880 blah. Oh, that was a knock. 263 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,480 Like we, we actually reacted and like more power to people who 264 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,680 can actually do that. But since we were scared we 265 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,000 would have big reactions because we're freaking out. 266 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,600 And then I think that just puts more energy out there and more 267 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,760 things happen. So the music is kind of that on 268 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,880 like an elevated level where it's just like when you're 269 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,120 blaring music on any genre, it's just like it either really makes 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,040 them mad or they love it. I don't know which one of those. 271 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,760 It's one of those, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 272 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,520 Well, look, I certainly discovered you through the 273 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,680 music, but I also noticed, I mean, look, your other video, 274 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,840 you're a content creator. You're also, you know, you are 275 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,360 literally in, in this next generation of paranormal 276 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,720 investigators and everything else. 277 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,760 You are using the medium to its full advantage. 278 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,040 You're very good at shooting, You're very good at editing. 279 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,600 I, I feel like I have the authority to say that I've been 280 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,520 in the entertainment business and producer for over 25 years. 281 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Your stuff is well made. It's just really well made. 282 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,520 So how walk me through, you know, a planning of a big 283 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,560 episode 'cause now I've seen you really started getting into like 284 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,040 you've done, like I'm testing all the apps, I'm testing all 285 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,400 this gear and it's quit and it's done perfectly for this medium, 286 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,080 the fast edits, the fast cuts. So what goes into walk me 287 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,640 through how you really put this stuff together and and the kind 288 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,440 of thought you put into it? When we first started, we used 289 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,560 to really just kind of wing it. That's what we thought everyone 290 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:15,640 did. And I think there are a lot of 291 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,640 people to do do that. But the longer we went on and 292 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,360 the longer I went on specifically, like starting last 293 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,960 year after Noah left the channel for his own reasons, then 294 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,040 started doing his own stuff, I really was like, OK, I, I'm 295 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,800 already full time, I, but I need to make this work. 296 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,240 I can't like I, I literally can't fail at this point. 297 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:39,120 So I was like, OK, what, what is going to make this pot for me? 298 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,440 And so I started focusing on ideas, not just the standard 299 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,920 like, oh, I'm investigating here. 300 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,160 And it was scary and oh, I'm going here and it was scary, 301 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,000 which is kind of what I feel like a lot of people do 302 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,440 nowadays. I was really thinking like, OK, 303 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,880 I need to do things that are different. 304 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,920 So testing ghost hanging ABS or like going to three different 305 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Airbnbs or just, it's not even that big of a tweak, but just 306 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,800 making it more of an, of a, a story. 307 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,920 Like if I didn't have a story to tell for a video, I don't do it 308 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,840 anymore. So even if you know, like just 309 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,840 take Waverly hills because everyone knows Waverly hills. 310 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,120 If I'm, I will not film a video there at this stage unless 311 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 there's a very specific idea that I know that I can tell a 312 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,880 good story with. And what that idea is could 313 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,240 vary. But anyways, what I'm getting at 314 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,720 is what I do nowadays is I literally write out an entire 315 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,120 script top to bottom of, you know, this is where I'm staying. 316 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,520 This is my intro. The intro is written out, the 317 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,480 outro is written out, the transitions are written out. 318 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,920 And then those bullet points for the, obviously for the ghost 319 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,240 time because I don't know what's going to happen. 320 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,360 But that way it's just a lot more structured. 321 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,440 And I know before I even go somewhere and spend the money 322 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,400 that I have a good video because it's basically made on paper. 323 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 And that sometimes at this point, I've been taking that 324 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,040 part really seriously. And so it takes sometimes weeks 325 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,600 to get that done. And then when I go, it makes it 326 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,880 a lot easier. It makes it just a lot easier to 327 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,520 just go through. Because before we were just 328 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,920 winging it. So we didn't know if I would 329 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,640 have a good intro because I, I remember I'd always just sit 330 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:17,800 there and be like, OK, what am I going to say? 331 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,080 And nothing was written down. Barely did any research on the 332 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,960 place. We watch a few like episodes of 333 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Ghost Adventures or whoever was at this place. 334 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,640 But now it's like I do weeks of like research. 335 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,480 I have the whole plan out. I know that, the exact title, 336 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,120 the thumbnail, everything. And that has really made all the 337 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,720 difference. Like ever since I started doing 338 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,160 that, that's when I had my first big video that got over 339 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,880 1,000,000 views on YouTube. And yeah, it's been great ever 340 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,560 since then. That's I love hearing that. 341 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,160 I I love it. You create a shot list. 342 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Yeah. I mean, yeah, I like that you 343 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,440 take it seriously. I like and and 100% shows it 344 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,200 absolutely. Shows appreciate that. 345 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,280 I appreciate that. I really do. 346 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,960 There's no question. It's it's so fun. 347 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,240 It is so fun. So Jake, go going going into 348 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 that, you know when you're when you're laying it all out and I 349 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,960 know you said you left bullet points obviously for the 350 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,480 experience because you don't know what's going to happen. 351 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Has that ever changed because of a location like what you had 352 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,079 laid out, what you were going to say and all of a sudden you had 353 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,720 the experience and you were like, OK, I need to tweak this a 354 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,119 little bit. I need to tweak that. 355 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Yeah, how many audibles you have to call when you're out there 356 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,560 and something crazy happened? I mean, honestly, I think it's 357 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,400 happened every single time, to be honest, every time since I've 358 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,680 done it like because, because again, like it's just it'll be 359 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,120 like, you know, a voice over will be written out of say, like 360 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:42,120 in my latest video, we went to the museum that's in my hometown 361 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,720 where my dad caught a shadow figure. 362 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,320 So I'll be explaining that it'll be bullet point investigate 363 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,720 shadow figures. So in that whole bit, I have no 364 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,760 clue what's going to happen. And if I get a really insane 365 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,320 piece of evidence, like say a door slams or something, I'm 366 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,280 obviously going to have to then go back through, do another 367 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,160 voice over, maybe tie that into something else. 368 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,240 And then the other thing is there's so much that I film and 369 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,320 even maybe I have a bullet point for do this. 370 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,480 And then when I'm editing, I'm like, either I don't have time 371 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,400 for that or it just didn't turn out how I like it or how I 372 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,320 wanted it or doesn't fit the story. 373 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,320 And so I cut it out. That's the hardest part. 374 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,000 That's what took me a long time to learn is cutting stuff out. 375 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,400 It's really difficult. And you're being flexible, which 376 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,240 is awesome because a lot of people get stuck and they're 377 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,560 like, this is my masterpiece. Like reality. 378 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,200 Yeah, you got to be able to know what to chop. 379 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,880 Yeah, I saw this Venn diagram where it was, and this really 380 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,000 changed my perspective on like content creation, what I do, 381 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,360 where your videos should be, 1 circle is what you want, and 382 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,920 this circle is what the audience wants. 383 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,080 And then that little Gray area, that's where you have to focus. 384 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,560 So a lot of times, like I tell people, if I was doing exactly 385 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,840 what I wanted to do, I would film exactly like Project Fear 386 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,880 Ghost Adventures. It'd be like the most serious, 387 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,760 like scientific investigation of all the time. 388 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,840 And it would be like an hour or something long. 389 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,280 But it just doesn't work, at least in my experience for me. 390 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,800 So that's why I've opted for a lot shorter, trying to show my 391 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,520 personality more, etcetera. Did you ever did you ever let 392 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,680 the I haven't seen, I've look, I've seen a ton of videos, 393 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,600 mainly shorts and I watched a few of the longer ones. 394 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,200 But do you ever let the audience in on that? 395 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,520 You know, in a sense where it's like, guys, I just came in here 396 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,800 and I thought I was expecting a Saturn figure, but instead now 397 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,720 I'm dealing with door slams. And I know that's a shitty 398 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,560 example, but like, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do. 399 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,280 You know, did you ever, do you ever push because you created 400 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,120 the 4th wall? But then do you ever knock it 401 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,760 down for your own audience? You know that like and show. 402 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,680 Them like in a video, is that what you're saying? 403 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,640 Like in the final. Like in the video, rather than 404 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,600 rather than rewriting the intro to base, base it around how the 405 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,280 story shifted. Sort of like guys, I know I said 406 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,840 this, you know, but I thought I was coming in here for this, but 407 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,560 now everything went S like letting it people know that it 408 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,400 went SI don't know. Yeah. 409 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,240 And I think that's that kind of also was a mental shift too, 410 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,560 because what I used to do was I would be so stuck in my previous 411 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,120 plan or what I thought was a plan. 412 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,960 This is before I ever scripted, But and I I took everything at 413 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,320 face value. I don't know if it's because I 414 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,440 was younger or just getting started. 415 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,680 It was like, fine, but we I didn't like think about anything 416 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,960 too deeply. But now I'm to the point I saw 417 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,040 someone else, I think it was Ryan from, you know, the 418 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,200 BuzzFeed unsolved show, Shane Ryan. 419 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,000 I think they're on watch for now on YouTube. 420 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,840 They're really good, but they had like a BuzzFeed YouTube 421 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 channel where they would ghost time and he was doing a podcast 422 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,640 and he said that he wants to respect the intelligence of his 423 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320 audience. And I realized looking back, I 424 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,440 was like, that's something where I didn't even respect my own 425 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,640 intelligence. I would just like take 426 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:54,200 everything at face value. And so now I I allow the video 427 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,520 to like, I allow things to be debunked or like in the video 428 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,640 I'm doing right now, we went to the cemetery where there's this 429 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600 legend that but if you go to the top at midnight and turn around, 430 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,160 it's supposed to be like some caretaker. 431 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,520 And we went up because it was fun. 432 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,400 It's fun for the video. But then you go up there and 433 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,640 it's like, OK, literally nothing happens. 434 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,240 But instead of changing the entire video, I just roll with 435 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,480 it. I think it makes it better by 436 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,840 doing that, honestly. Yeah. 437 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Who's on your? Team and authentic. 438 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,040 Yeah, and. Authentic to your experience. 439 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,120 Exactly, exactly. And that's The thing is like I 440 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,640 never, I never was inauthentic. I just, I never dug into 441 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600 anything and it's like I almost put up this barrier where I 442 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,920 didn't want to debunk anything or I didn't want to prove that 443 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,400 something we got was wrong because it just like I wanted to 444 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,640 have the experience so bad. But now I've done this so long 445 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,680 that I'm just like, you know, if something's if something is 446 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,520 stupid to me or if that was like clearly the wind, like just say 447 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,360 it, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's kind of 448 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:51,800 funny. If anything, it's just kind of 449 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,840 funny. Well, what's interesting about, 450 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,160 you know, when you do something that is so produced, like you're 451 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,680 doing what what you know, yes, you're leaving things open, but 452 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,360 you are clearly very thoughtful at how you're producing it. 453 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280 You run the risk of obviously people saying it's produced and 454 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,640 it's fake. Yeah, yeah. 455 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Especially in this thing. But so I'm I'm glad you're 456 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,280 explaining yourself what I mean. Do you even do you get a lot of 457 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,120 trolls? Do you hate? 458 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:16,960 Do you? Do you how? 459 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Do you handle trolls? How do you handle trolls? 460 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,560 I'm always fascinated by it because I'm not good at it. 461 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,320 It's been a joke between my brother, my friend, my best 462 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,920 friend Clayton and I that we might be the most hated people 463 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800 in the paranormal. And it's it's kind of just like 464 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,880 funny to me. John, I think John has something 465 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,400 to say about that. All right, so. 466 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,920 So hold on, I would. I Yo, Jake, there's room right 467 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,000 here next to me. Dude, you got you. 468 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,800 Can you can join me on that because I have had some of the 469 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,680 most horrible experiences. I ignored that or I make a 470 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,440 spectacle of them. Either I ignore them completely 471 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240 or I make AI never banter with them and go back and forth 472 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,080 because they're just listen. You know you made it when people 473 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,000 hate you. Oh yeah. 474 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,680 You know you made it when people hate you 100% and, and you know, 475 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,200 it's, it's, it's, it's good to hear somebody else say that. 476 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680 James it really. Is it's horrible that it's the 477 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,720 same man. It's good to hear someone else 478 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,200 say it. I knew from I knew the moment I 479 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,040 watched it when I said this guy like he's so different. 480 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,360 This is so different. He must be fucking hated because 481 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,600 most of these, they want to see this. 482 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,280 They want to see the traditional. 483 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,560 And yes, of course there's a lot of great traditional and there's 484 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,640 a lot of great room for it. But this is like different and 485 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,920 they're going to just think he's a make. 486 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,640 He's either making fun of them or making fun of the side. 487 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,960 Whatever the fuck they think, who cares? 488 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,080 But it's so it's so, but you're also, so you're look, you know, 489 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,960 you're a young guy. I mean, I don't know how that 490 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,040 hits. Does it hit different to be in 491 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,760 the social media world and get that kind of thing constantly 492 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,040 and just keep pushing through? Or do you ever sort of just like 493 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,400 I'm going to give it to him a little bit. 494 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,640 I mean, I think I, I really don't know, like where I got 495 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,880 this trait from. I, I have no clue. 496 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,480 I really don't. But I feel like I've always just 497 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,560 been able to like handle it fairly well. 498 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,440 My brother struggled with it for a while. 499 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480 That's actually one of the few reasons why he ended up leaving 500 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600 is just because it was every he was going through his own 501 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,320 personal struggles and us getting the amount of hate that 502 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320 we are getting every day. I mean, I'm still to this day 503 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,320 banned from a handful of places that I can't, I'm not allowed to 504 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,360 go because the owners hate me so much, whether or not I've been 505 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,480 there, just because I've heard from other people that like, 506 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,760 hey, this person told me that you're not allowed back or you 507 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,120 can't go in the future. There's creators that have gone 508 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,200 out there and just said horrible things about me too and and 509 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,320 ruined possible future collabs with people that I looked up to. 510 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,960 It's been bad. And that's like, we try not to 511 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,720 talk about it too much, but that is one of the reasons why my 512 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,160 brother left. I don't think very many people 513 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,800 know that is he was going through his own stuff and he 514 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,160 just could not handle it. He's a lot better with it now. 515 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,720 He's a lot better with it now, but. 516 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960 Jake, I was wondering that too. And I, I, I was actually going 517 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,360 to ask, but you know, you're bringing it up and you and your 518 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,680 brother, you know, there seems to be no beef. 519 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,160 There seems to be no animosity. It seems that the reasons why 520 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,760 you guys split I, I honestly, I thought it was for business 521 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,680 reasons, but you know, it seems like it's, it's deeper than that 522 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,640 and you know, that's, I just wanted to make that point, you 523 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,680 know. It's social media, you know, 524 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,480 social media is, is devastating for for younger people. 525 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,080 It's a state. I mean, it's a mental. 526 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Health thing 100% is. It's a mental health thing and I 527 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760 do find it. Yeah, man, it's like the the 528 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,320 look, there's a tenacity to you that clearly you've got. 529 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520 And I'm glad your brother is is pushing through it too. 530 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,440 You know, with all that shit, who's on your team? 531 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,360 Who's on your team with you when you go out and you're producing 532 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,960 this stuff, how many people? What do you? 533 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,640 What's it comprised of? Technically it's just me. 534 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,640 Oh, OK. So, but I I usually try to just 535 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,880 collab with different people a lot of times, especially 536 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,040 recently again with all that, like for the last two years, the 537 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,680 hate has been insane. I've lost so many connections 538 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,960 that I've just been like, you know what? 539 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,680 Let me just shrink my bubble. Me and Noah versus the world and 540 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,240 my friend Clayton, he's back in it now. 541 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,720 And then I have my my childhood best friend Evan. 542 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,280 He comes with me. He's been with me the past four 543 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,480 or five videos now as like a camera person, like help me film 544 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,960 and stuff. And I think he's just probably 545 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,240 going to keep going. So technically it's me and Evan 546 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080 now officially. So it's nice to finally have 547 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,880 somebody to like handle some of the the stuff. 548 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,440 At at least it's filming for me when I'm somewhere. 549 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Sure. Yeah. 550 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,600 John and I, John and I were just talking about that. 551 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Like I go out and and it's, it's like I got all this stuff. 552 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,360 If I ever have to leave, if I, I've done a couple of episodes 553 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,040 of the podcast where I'm like on my own, it's on on a location, 554 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,000 very few. And something will always either 555 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,160 happen. And it's usually because I 556 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080 forgot to hit record or I forgot to hit this one button or I 557 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,480 forgot to plug this one thing in because there's so many things 558 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,880 going on. And it's like, God damn it, I 559 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,360 wish I had APA with me or something. 560 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Just a reminder. Yeah, it's a, you know, and 561 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,320 you're trying to make this shit happen. 562 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,400 I'll tell you what, Jake, you ain't never going to get that 563 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 sort of hate over here. We ain't never going to get any. 564 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,600 Thank you. Thank you. 565 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760 Love what you do. I love what you do. 566 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,400 And I appreciate that. Me in my paranormal space, Well, 567 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,360 the thank you and your brother up and down. 568 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,320 Thank you, I appreciate it. I appreciate that a lot. 569 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,400 It's it is nice. Like we we've definitely found. 570 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,360 I'm not saying that like my life's miserable and like feel 571 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,600 bad for me, like it really doesn't bother me, but it did 572 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,360 get fairly bad, but I think it honestly just gave me more drop. 573 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Sometimes I wonder where my motivation came from and I think 574 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,160 genuinely some of it is just to like show these people that 575 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280 they're wrong, which like which makes it, you know, in 576 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,840 hindsight, I'm like, maybe God allowed this hate to happen 577 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,840 because it was going to fuel me. Because that's another question 578 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,600 I ask is I don't know where I got like the motivation to do 579 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,440 this. It's been almost five years now 580 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,120 since we started our channel originally and it's just been 581 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,040 non-stop for I cannot I can't even believe it's been five 582 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,720 years. That's crazy. 583 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:20,080 But before the channel, like I wasn't like a like a not a lazy 584 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,960 person, but I don't know like my drive just came out of nowhere. 585 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,560 So I don't know if it's like my love for this. 586 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,400 I don't know if it was the hey, I don't know if the prove people 587 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,640 wrong. I don't know. 588 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,360 I don't know what it is, but I do love what I do. 589 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,720 It's. Keep doing it man. 590 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,400 Listen man, allow me to take a stab at this. 591 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,280 Sounds like it came from your dad, dude. 592 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,520 It sounds like your dad was just like this force. 593 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,160 You know what Gettysburg being an electrical engineer, just, 594 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,800 you know, all of it. And it sound like, you know, he 595 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,040 raised 2 good boys and you know, you're using that to just, you 596 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,520 know, piss people off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 597 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Especially the ghosts. Especially it is. 598 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Definitely a lot of ghosts. My dad. 599 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,120 I love my dad. My my dad's been he's he's 600 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,840 amazing. He they both my parents have 601 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640 never once like told us to stop doing this. 602 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800 They've never once like gotten out of this for it, which I've 603 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,560 seen, I've seen other creators that are friends of mine where 604 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,560 they do have issues where their parents aren't fully on board. 605 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240 And I, I just feel so bad for them man. 606 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,880 Because like that's the one thing that has been solid is 607 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,160 I've never had to worry about my parents being mad at me for 608 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,600 doing this. Because when we first started, I 609 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,040 was 20, my brother was 16. We were still both living at 610 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,320 home. So like we were very young when 611 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,280 we first started and they just let us just let. 612 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Us go. Just know that maybe one day 613 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600 you'll get older and you'll have a wife will get mad at you like 614 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,880 John and I. It's like when you have to go do 615 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,000 something stupid. Yeah. 616 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,280 Yeah. Let me ask you this, talking 617 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,640 about, you know, some of the things you've made here. 618 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:53,080 You know you did a big experiment with apps, tech gear, 619 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,400 right? Yep. 620 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:03,720 What surprised you the most when you did all those head to What 621 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,600 was the big revelation for you? Two of them actually, I think 1 622 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,360 was with the apps because I decided like for the video 623 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280 because there that video had been done before. 624 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,360 That idea of like testing ghost hunting apps was done by Faze 625 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160 Rug. He's a big YouTube who 626 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480 occasionally does ghost hunting stuff. 627 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,840 But I was like, OK, I'm going to make it a little bit different. 628 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440 So I actually interviewed a couple of like the creators of 629 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,120 the apps and they sent me over like not code, but they fully 630 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,720 explained to me like how they work. 631 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,280 And I was honestly surprised that like it's with a few of the 632 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,320 apps, it's literally the same as a $1000 obulus or something that 633 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,880 you would buy. Like they are the same. 634 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,600 So, so it's like that did surprise me. 635 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,040 I think it surprised a lot of people too. 636 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,160 And a lot of people think like before I kind of did that video 637 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,280 also because I used the app on streams. 638 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 And then I was like, OK, like, let me actually do this for 639 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,840 video #1. Because I think it's interesting 640 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,360 #2 I can prove to people that I'm using these and there's a 641 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,920 reason and they work #3 showing them that they work. 642 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,640 Because I don't think anybody really knows that. 643 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,400 And they actually, I think a couple of them really do. 644 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,960 But the biggest surprise for me was I actually took the video. 645 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040 It's not down, but it's private. So you maybe you didn't see it. 646 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,000 It was when I tested Timu stuff. And there's a there's a reason I 647 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,720 private it because we can, maybe we get into that in a second, 648 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,600 but it's nothing bad. But I use Timu equipment and 649 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,080 Timu is known for like super cheap, like sure badly made like 650 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,840 Chinese products. And I, I got a bunch of stuff 651 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680 like a spirit box, a ghost hunting kit, a full on, it's 652 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880 literally right here, a full on thermal camera. 653 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,800 And what surprised me is the thermal camera works perfectly. 654 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,640 There's not one problem with it. It works beautifully. 655 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,800 And it was like $90.00 versus, you know, if you get the thermal 656 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,480 camera that like Project Fear uses, what people use on shows, 657 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,160 I think they go up to 13 grand, which is ridiculous, which is 658 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,480 crazy. And obviously those are like, 659 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,280 you know, they're 4K, they film, you know, all that kind of 660 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,520 stuff. This one just takes pictures. 661 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,040 But still, it surprised me that like, you don't have to just buy 662 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,480 the hundreds of dollars worth of go something equipment from like 663 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400 the two sides that there are. You can get cheaper stuff and it 664 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,360 actually doesn't work. Oh, OK. 665 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,520 So I thought that was interesting, yeah. 666 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600 Well, yeah, like, you know, it shows that the gateway to entry 667 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,640 for this, if you're a real really passionate about it, you 668 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680 can figure out, you can make it happen for yourself and use 669 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,120 these tools. Exactly. 670 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,760 John, one question on this real quick. 671 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,560 Do you, so do you use tools a lot or is it, you know what I 672 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,360 mean? Like how do you, do you 673 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,640 incorporate that into your, well, I, I guess, and I'm sorry, 674 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,080 here's the better question. Do you, do you call yourself 675 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520 like an investigator or are you really going out there and 676 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,440 investigate? Like, what do you want to know 677 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,840 when you're in these spaces? I do. 678 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,920 I do call myself an investigator. 679 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480 There's people that disagree. I think I the term I usually use 680 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,400 is like is just ghost hunter. I think it just sounds cooler, I 681 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,920 guess. I don't know. 682 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,600 Yeah, I don't know. It's not really that deep. 683 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,160 But for me, it's more of just, it really is just about having 684 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,120 fun, like I really do. I'm a huge history buff. 685 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,000 I get to go to the craziest, most historic places in the 686 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 country that I've never thought when I was a kid that because, 687 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,040 you know, you saw on TV so it felt inaccessible. 688 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,560 But now I'm like, oh, I actually can go to the Nevada State 689 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120 prison or to Gettysburg and go to the orphanage and I can do 690 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480 all these things. So for me, it really is just 691 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,680 like living out that childhood dream of like, I'm visiting all 692 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,120 these places I've seen on TV and I'm experiencing things that 693 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,560 some I can't explain. Some things I can. 694 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,160 But either way, it's just fun. And I grew up like, well, all 695 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,920 my, you know, friends or people my age would be playing video 696 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,840 games. I was never a video game person. 697 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,000 I was the guy who the second I got my first iPod 5 is what I 698 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,400 this the first like phone that recorded that I got. 699 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,480 I was making like movies on iMovie with my friends and I was 700 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,320 like 11. So it's just those three things, 701 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,080 like just having fun making content and like exploring 702 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,120 historic places and looking for the unknown and getting scared. 703 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,520 It's just all that combined. That's right. 704 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,719 So I don't know if that makes me a ghost hunter, a content 705 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,400 creator, a parallel investigator, a mix. 706 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,120 I have no idea. I really don't know. 707 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560 That's all right. So if, if, if you had to pick 708 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,400 one piece of equipment and that's all you could carry with 709 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,560 you for for an investigation, what would you pick? 710 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,920 My gut just says the DR60. For me, that's what my gut says. 711 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,120 The DR60 EVP recorder, I don't know what it is. 712 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,600 I just, I, I, I love it. I love it that if I had to pick 713 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,199 one thing and it's so small, that's probably what I would 714 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:45,760 choose. Yeah, cool. 715 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,199 It's a great answer. All right, Yeah, Yeah. 716 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080 I think mostly though, like I think you were kind of hinting 717 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,360 at like do I use a lot of things? 718 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,360 What's funny is people get really mad at me on especially 719 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840 on TikTok because I don't use very much. 720 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Well I get the same. I get the same hate dude. 721 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,440 It is so annoying man. I rarely get things out, but I I 722 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,520 just, I would rather for the video and for my own sake, I 723 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,240 would rather see something or hear something than like see a 724 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,080 rampod start to beep. You know, I was like. 725 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:23,120 Well, that's in fact, yeah. That that is why I asked what do 726 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,560 you consider, you know, how do you identify as a ghost hunter 727 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,720 or as a ghost investigator? Right. 728 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,160 That's the whole, that's the thing that John, John has to 729 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,920 constantly remind people that he is not a an investigator. 730 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,720 He documents spirits because otherwise they look at him like 731 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,680 how dare you be in this location without 6 cameras and A and a 732 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360 tripwire and a rampod. It's like you need Pelican cases 733 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040 full of shit that like, well, I don't because the reason I don't 734 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,720 have it is because I don't give a shit about any of that. 735 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,400 So it's like, I'm not here to do that. 736 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,720 So so if you want to see that, go somewhere else. 737 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,360 So it's like the audience has this expectation of you need to 738 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,240 roll up on the scene with a van full of big black cases of gear. 739 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,200 But that's not what you do. And that's like, in the same 740 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,440 way, that's not what John does and that's not why we're here. 741 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,560 And it's, it's a, it's, it is a distinction, right? 742 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200 You, you're, it sounds like you're there for the experience 743 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,960 of interacting with something unknown and yes, the fun, right? 744 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:18,880 So that's great. So let me ask you this, because 745 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040 I ask everybody this, what do you think it is, dude? 746 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000 What do you think spirits are? What is the unknown to you? 747 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,200 What? What are you dealing with? 748 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,680 Oh man, I really, I've gone back and forth on this forever. 749 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,040 In fact, I was just talking with my friend Mandy. 750 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,840 She, she is kind of a parallel investigator. 751 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,720 She works at the Laurels House of Horror. 752 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,040 I don't know if you've heard of that place. 753 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,160 It's a haunted attraction in Maryland. 754 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,840 It's a real haunted attraction, but it's like extremely haunted. 755 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,880 And they didn't know that. And so I started building the 756 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,960 haunted house in this old movie theater. 757 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,320 But they invited me out many times. 758 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,960 I've talked to her and I think she put it in a perfect way. 759 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,080 It was just like a few weeks ago and it clicked in my mind. 760 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,400 This is kind of how I feel some days I believe in ghosts and I 761 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,160 think that we die and maybe people can stick around for a 762 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,640 little bit. Maybe it's like a purgatory type 763 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,960 thing before you go to heaven or hell. 764 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880 I don't know, because I'm a Christian so that's where it 765 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,920 gets confusing for me. But then there's other days 766 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,760 where I'm just like, this has to all be fake. 767 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,040 Like there's no way I actually experienced this. 768 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,400 There's probably a reason that I, I thought I saw a ghost when 769 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,560 I was 10. Like there's no, I was probably 770 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,320 dreaming. And then I start going through 771 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,560 the list of everything I've experienced. 772 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200 I'm like, maybe it is all fake, like what's going on? 773 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120 And then there's some days where I'm I, you know, I have a really 774 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,160 bad experience at a place or, you know, with my Christian 775 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,800 faith, I just think like maybe it's all demons messing with us. 776 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080 I don't know. It's all demons. 777 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,480 Like for for real, though, like I, it's, it's one of the I I 778 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,760 don't know. That's that's my guess. 779 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,600 But then also I think it's kind of fun to go into like, you 780 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,160 know, could it be us from the future? 781 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,640 Could it be time travellers? Could it be frigging aliens? 782 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,120 Like, could it just be I'm experiencing when I'm in a 783 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,320 place, I hear somebody go hello out loud, there's no one there. 784 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Could that just be the voice of somebody that was there like 50 785 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,720 years ago? Maybe they're not necessarily 786 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,080 dead. Like I could go on and on and 787 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,040 on. I I just think it's interesting. 788 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,000 So I really don't know. My gut tells me it's probably a 789 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,440 mix of demons and people just hanging out and they're here. 790 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,720 They're here for some reason. Maybe they don't want to move 791 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,200 on, maybe they're not ready to and they're like still attached 792 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:35,920 to their to their physical life. So far, So far, we asked this 793 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,840 question to every guest and that might be one of my favorite 794 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,800 answers. Man, right on Jake that. 795 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480 Is awesome. It's like, really the demons. 796 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,760 People are just hanging out dude I love. 797 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,360 It, I really don't know. I've experienced a mix of it 798 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,120 all. I, I feel like I've truly 799 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,560 experienced over the last five years a mix of all of that. 800 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,320 I really do. And there's just depending on 801 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,960 where I'm at and who I'm with and what exactly happened. 802 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,440 I feel like it could be a number of things. 803 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,880 That's, that's the other thing that make people really mad at 804 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,280 me, I think is I'm just very open minded almost to a fault. 805 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400 Like I just, I know that I don't know. 806 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,960 I don't know. I think it was Socrates that 807 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,600 said that or something. I know that I don't know. 808 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,640 That's what I say all the time is I, I just don't know. 809 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,240 I'm just here to figure it out and just see what happens. 810 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,600 Well, I'll tell you, I'm just gathering like you're there for 811 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,440 the experience like that's. Really. 812 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,960 I was just going to say you're, you got, you nailed that on the 813 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,520 head. Yeah, I mean, you're on the head 814 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,360 with that and. And with that, what? 815 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,200 How do you feel your relationship with fear is now 816 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,240 compared to when you first started doing this? 817 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,760 It's it's so much better. There's still times where it 818 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,920 gets to me even even there's the school that I go to to go live 819 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,800 at this in Ohio. I go there all the time. 820 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,520 Like for the past year, I think I've been there at least once a 821 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,360 week, sometimes three times a week. 822 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,720 But it still scares me when I hear something and there's not 823 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:10,080 supposed to be anybody there. But I figured out that now I'm 824 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,240 not. So I'm not scared that it's a 825 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,400 ghost. I used to be petrified of the 826 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,800 thought that it could be a ghost. 827 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,600 Now I'm more scared that it's a person or that I'm getting 828 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,760 messed with or that I'm going to get hurt. 829 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,760 So I feel like the fear is shifted from a fear of ghosts to 830 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,160 a fear of people. I think. 831 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:33,000 And then I think overall, when I mean when we first started, we 832 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120 walk into a place and our backs were against the law. 833 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,120 It doesn't matter if it was daytime, doesn't matter if 834 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,360 there's 30 people in there. I was at any second, I would 835 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,760 over analyze everything. I would hyperventilate. 836 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,040 Like literally about what if something touches me right now, 837 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,840 even if it's broad daylight didn't matter. 838 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,000 But now like I'm going into an abandoned. 839 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,920 I talked about this the other day actually, because I was just 840 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,600 there. I was like, I'm literally 841 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,920 driving an hour and a half by myself, pulling up to an 842 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,040 abandoned building, unlocking the front door and walking in 843 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,800 and walking around by myself, talking to the chat on the live 844 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400 stream, but talking to myself. Basically, there's no one else 845 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080 there and I could just do it. Now that would have. 846 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160 If I told myself I was going to do that three years, even two 847 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,880 years ago, I would have thought I was insane. 848 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,800 There's no way. I think you're insane for doing 849 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000 it, if that helps. Yeah, I think it's awesome. 850 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,680 I think it's a little crazy. I mean, and and John and I talk 851 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,760 about this. We've been talking about it a 852 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,040 lot lately. It seems like, you know, it's 853 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,800 always there's always this qualifier in front of this, the 854 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,840 abandoned this, the old this. It's like I've never heard 855 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,320 someone tell me where the haunted Four Seasons is. 856 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,640 That's where that's active. Like I want to be in that. 857 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,840 That's the that's the place I want to investigate, you know, 858 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,520 and just. And oh, the Southern mansion in 859 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,840 Cape Bay, Terry Townhouse Estate and Terry Town. 860 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,160 That's where I'll go. That's where. 861 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,720 I'll go beautiful places that are haunting where you can get a 862 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,080 massage, take a swim at the pool. 863 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,400 That's that's to deal. With some spirits. 864 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,360 I would love a massage ghost. What are what? 865 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,400 Are there any boundaries for you? 866 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,160 Anythings you won't? Anything you won't do? 867 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,880 Any rituals you won't do or locations you won't touch? 868 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,160 Definitely not locations I won't go to unless it's like I've been 869 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,720 really wanting to do a video at the, at the Island of the Dolls 870 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:21,280 in New Mexico or sorry, not New Mexico in Mexico City, Mexico, 871 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,720 but the canals. I've heard I have a friend of a 872 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,240 friend who lives there and obviously check the news. 873 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,880 The cartel uses the waterways. So I don't feel like dying. 874 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,880 So that video is on the that video is on the back burner for 875 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,560 the time being. So if it's like actually 876 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,680 dangerous, then I, I obviously won't go. 877 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,920 And then in terms of like investigating things, I would 878 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880 say like a Ouija board is up, but I've done it. 879 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,080 I've done a Ouija board more times than I can count and I'm 880 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,720 fine. I definitely try to stay away 881 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,360 from that. And then anything like if we're 882 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,680 like trying to summon, like if someone's trying to summon a 883 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,040 demon or something, I'm not doing that. 884 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,680 I'm not doing anything like that. 885 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,480 You did a great, you did a great video where you did like all the 886 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,320 games, rightly tested all those games. 887 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,680 Yes, yes. God, tell us about that. 888 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,880 Tell the people about what you did. 889 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080 I mean, they could find it on your YouTube channel because 890 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,480 it's awesome from Ouija boards. And then there was like a weird 891 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,920 dice game. And then there was like another 892 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,240 weird card that it was. It was great. 893 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,920 Yeah, So I just did a video where basically just in my 894 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640 apartment, I was just like, what can I do in my apartment That 895 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,600 would be awesome. This is the dead of winter. 896 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,080 And I was like, oh, I could just like, play a bunch of like, 897 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,920 haunted games, like Bloody Mary. And I did more research to see 898 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,760 like what other types of games like people do like, you know, 899 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,240 like mostly like that kids do like when you're in middle 900 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,720 school and you think it's, it's kind of a scary time at the 901 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,520 sleepover or whatever. So I was like, I'll just do all 902 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,280 these games because it's kind of like the audience I'm going for 903 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,320 is people who wouldn't play them. 904 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,400 And I think it'd be cool to see if like not only if the game 905 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,720 works, but also like set up equipment because nobody's done 906 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,680 that, that I've seen where you actually set up some stuff and 907 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,560 see if like a Rampod goes off after and when you're playing 908 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,720 Bloody Mary and stuff. So that was actually really 909 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,440 interesting that that that. Was what did you get out of it? 910 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,840 Was there a game that you're like, yeah, I'm not doing that 911 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,600 one again? Most of it was kind of bunk, but 912 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,480 the one was called Sarah Sarita, which is supposed to be like a 913 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,520 Mexican folklore game where you summon the spirit of Sarah 914 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,640 Sarita and then you flip. You're with another person and 915 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,560 you each flip 1/4 over your head while asking questions. 916 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,440 And basically if you both get heads, it's yes, if you both get 917 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,320 tails the answer is no. And then if it's like mixed, 918 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,600 it's a maybe or whatever. But obviously in my mind I'm 919 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,360 like, this doesn't make any sense because obviously a 920 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,920 spirit's not going to like manipulate 1/4 mid air and make 921 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,040 it land. But we were getting really weird 922 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,440 answers. It was really weird. 923 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,560 But what I kind of theorized was like, say there are non human 924 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,320 entities or demons or whatever you want to say. 925 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,920 I feel like when I'm playing a game or when you're doing 926 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920 something like that, or even just investigating and you're 927 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880 asking for something or you're investigating something, even if 928 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,600 that thing or person doesn't exist, something could just be 929 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,480 pretending to be that and like use that as a gateway to like 930 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,600 communicate with you. So maybe it's not Sarah Sarita, 931 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400 it's probably not Sarah Sarita, but it could be some other 932 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,640 spirit or entity just being like, screw it, like I'll talk 933 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,560 to you right now. Why not? 934 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,560 Yeah. Jake, what go? 935 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:19,880 Ahead. No. 936 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,080 Go ahead. No. 937 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,640 No, you go. I was. 938 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,040 Just going to say, besides that, I think most of the games were 939 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,400 kind of just fun little party tricks, basically. 940 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,840 Yeah, they're games. They're games. 941 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,960 I don't think any of them actually truly worked. 942 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,360 All right, if you had endless funds, what where? 943 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,320 Where it's your place, Where do you want to go and what do you 944 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,280 want to film there? How would you do? 945 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,160 It if I had endless funds, I would, yeah. 946 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,040 You got you got Mr. Beast's money now what are you going? 947 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,480 To do first thing I would do, I've already thought this 948 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,800 through. First thing I would do is I 949 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,520 would do a video where I do 50 haunted locations in 50 states 950 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,680 in 50 days and I would just have an I would have an editor and 951 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,120 every single day I would go film and stay somewhere, send it to 952 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,600 my editor and drop it the next day. 953 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,800 And I would just do that 50 days straight. 954 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,880 That's what I would do. OK, awesome. 955 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,720 I don't think it I don't think anybody's ever done that where 956 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:14,680 it's a full 50 video haunted series all in a row non-stop 957 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,200 road trip. I think that'd be so cool. 958 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,760 I would go to, I'd go to places like Alcatraz because that seems 959 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,720 fairly off limits, but I would, I'm sure if you through the 960 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,160 National Park Service enough money. 961 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000 You can get enough. You can probably. 962 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,880 It was fun. Lesser, lesser names have gotten 963 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,680 in for sure. Yeah. 964 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,320 Yeah, yeah, exactly this. You know, that's yeah, yeah. 965 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,600 Probably Vaglia, Iowa and Italy. I'd go overseas. 966 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,000 I'd do all like the castles and things in Scotland. 967 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,120 Now, now we're getting, we're getting past the 50 states 968 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,600 thing. Now you're talking like now 969 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,400 you're becoming Animaniacs. Yeah, we do the 50 states. 970 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,280 Then we would just keep it going. 971 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,800 We just do all the states now, whatever what's. 972 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,560 The most terrifying place you've ever been, a place that makes 973 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,720 you go shit? I'm going to go back there 974 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,320 because the content is amazing, but I'd rather not. 975 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:11,240 I think OK, well, the the scariest place officially would 976 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,960 be the when I went to the Blair Witch Forest, which was I can't 977 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,840 remember the State Park. It's where they filmed part of 978 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,960 the movie in Maryland. It's right near it was right 979 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,720 near Baltimore, which is why it was really sketchy. 980 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,160 But. It's this. 981 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,240 There's this, there's this ghost town at the end of an old road 982 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,360 that's abandoned, so it's in the middle of the woods, 983 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,120 everything's overgrown. And there's like a little ghost 984 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,240 town with like a little stone church, but it's 2 miles away 985 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,800 from the nearest like access points. 986 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,400 You have to walk 2 miles down this road. 987 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,240 And we did it. I just did like a video. 988 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,040 We were going to go see if like, first of all, the Blair Witch 989 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,880 legend was real or if there's anything haunting the forest if 990 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,720 people say it is haunted. And then if the church is 991 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,600 haunted. But we go back there and there's 992 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,400 these group of people across the river and they were all wearing 993 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,200 like, I kid you not, they're all wearing like black pants and 994 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,640 white shirt. They were all look the same. 995 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,520 They were like doing these weird drums. 996 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160 You can hear it in the video. There's like a boom, boom, weird 997 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000 stuff. There's like, these weird, like, 998 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,760 Calvary horns going on. It was so creepy, man. 999 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,520 And so we were just like, they were across the river, though. 1000 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,320 And we made it to the church. We're like, OK, we'll 1001 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,400 investigate it. So the sunset, we're 1002 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,160 investigating the church. We keep hearing people 1003 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,320 approaching us. And those people weren't there 1004 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,240 anymore. So we're like, OK, like, maybe 1005 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,560 we should just leave. And we eventually heard 1006 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,760 footsteps way too close. We ran down the trail. 1007 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,640 We start to hear people behind us in the woods like barking, 1008 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,360 like dogs screaming at us making all kinds of weird noises so 1009 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,600 that this point we are literally sprinting. 1010 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,600 And we get to the there's a house about 100 feet from where 1011 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,280 the little tiny parking lot is by the road. 1012 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,720 And we finally got to that point and we thought we were safe. 1013 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,720 So I turned the light on and the camera and I'm like OK dude that 1014 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,920 was crazy. We're all like sweating and all 1015 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,360 the sudden 6 gunshots like right in front of us, right in front 1016 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,040 of us. And so we jump onto like the 1017 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,840 Stonewall, we're hiding on the staircase down the trail. 1018 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,640 So we are literally thinking like, yeah, we're dead. 1019 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,400 Like we're going to die. Like, and my brother, this is 1020 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,120 actually one of the few reasons why he left as well. 1021 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,680 It was so bad and traumatizing. He completely had a, a mental 1022 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,800 like psychotic break. He was bawling his eyes out, 1023 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,400 hyperventilating, which obviously rightfully so. 1024 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,040 He's also four years behind you, right? 1025 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,360 You said he was four years. Yes, yes, exactly. 1026 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,840 So this is terrifying, this whole. 1027 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,240 This is terrifying. We're not even talking about 1028 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,960 ghosts. Anymore, this is not fun. 1029 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,320 Yeah, these are crazy people. You know, God knows what rituals 1030 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,360 and you guys stumble upon them. Yeah, yes. 1031 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,320 So we literally hide. In a shed then for 45 minutes we 1032 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000 called the police, but it was they took 45 minutes to get 1033 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,280 there and we got put on hold we got put on hold by the by the 1034 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,320 dispatcher for a little bit I don't know why, but we did so we 1035 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,400 had a we had to hide in the shed and thank God we filmed the 1036 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,360 gunshots because when the officers showed up they didn't 1037 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,960 believe us and they were they told us that the house that we 1038 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680 were in the shed of was state property. 1039 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,360 So he was going to take us to jail right then and there, but I 1040 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,960 was like, wait, I have it recorded. 1041 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,560 Please just hear me out and watch this like I promised. 1042 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,520 So yeah. But nothing. 1043 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,200 They, they supposedly investigated it. 1044 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,280 Nothing ever came of it. I have no idea who shot. 1045 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,680 And it wasn't like far off gunshots. 1046 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,520 It was right in front of us. But I never saw who it was. 1047 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,960 But that's why I said technically that's the scariest 1048 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,520 place because that really was the scary, most scared I've ever 1049 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,040 been. Yeah. 1050 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,120 Yeah. But part of. 1051 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,320 Location wise I don't. I'd have to. 1052 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,520 Think about it, but I think that my first gut reaction is Sweet 1053 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,920 Springs Sanitarium would be the scariest remorse. 1054 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,320 Where? Where's that located? 1055 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,160 What state is that in? It's in. 1056 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,920 It's right on the border of West Virginia. 1057 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,240 In Virginia, I think it's in Virginia, though. 1058 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,440 I think it's right across the border. 1059 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,240 It's in Sweet Springs, Virginia. It's a massive sanitarium. 1060 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480 Have you heard of it, either of you? 1061 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,680 No. No, I'm not. 1062 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,160 Oh, really? It was shut down now. 1063 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,280 I haven't heard I I believe it's shut down now, but it's a 1064 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,760 massive sanitarium and I something about it dude was not 1065 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,640 right in that building. I don't know, I don't know what 1066 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,080 it was. We we thought something broke 1067 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,360 and at one point and we captured on camera and heard clear as day 1068 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,400 a human whistling like it wasn't, it was right. 1069 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,800 It's the same thing as the gunshots. 1070 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,920 It was like within 15 feet of us, but there was no one there. 1071 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,920 Then we were hearing like glass breaking and footsteps all over 1072 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,320 the place. We never saw anybody. 1073 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,720 We heard like these weird distant like howling screams and 1074 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,240 the vibe was just so bad. Dude. 1075 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,280 Whenever I think of Scariest Place, that's the first thing 1076 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,560 that I think of just gut wise. Anything with the name 1077 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,600 Sanitarium in it. Is going to be awkward yeah yeah 1078 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,720 I mean what are we talking about I. 1079 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,560 Mean, come on. Yeah, exactly. 1080 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,160 Jake, what do your fans ask? Of you these days, what do they 1081 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,360 want to see you do? Man? 1082 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,880 That's a. That's a. 1083 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,320 Really good question. Definitely surprisingly like my, 1084 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:04,240 my goal is that I, I'm full. So right now I'm full time, but 1085 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,360 it's because I'm doing live streams, YouTube, a billion 1086 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,600 other things. I want to just make the videos 1087 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,640 because that's where like my heart is, is that that's what I 1088 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,560 want to do. So I want eventually the streams 1089 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,880 to stop. But every time I say that people 1090 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,200 get they start freaking out because literally on a daily 1091 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,880 basis I get probably 30 people messaging me, if not more. 1092 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,280 Like when you going to go live? When, when are you going to do 1093 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,240 this? Like when are you going to go 1094 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,760 live again? If I don't go live for two days, 1095 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,200 I get a a bunch of messages. Where have you been? 1096 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,080 Are you OK? Why aren't you live? 1097 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,520 So I think probably what they want to see is me to keep going 1098 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,680 live and doing the live streams. I think it's because it's easy 1099 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,160 for me to like interact with them that way and talk with them 1100 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,560 and say what's up and we can basically it's a big hangout. 1101 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,040 But the other thing, maybe this is more of a me thing, but I'm 1102 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,320 just trying to make my videos more entertaining. 1103 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,960 So that way, you know, obviously we can build the fan base. 1104 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,920 More people will enjoy them, make them more enjoyable. 1105 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,720 Again with the Venn diagram thing, like trying to find a mix 1106 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,360 of like, what do they want? Some people want to see ghost 1107 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,520 hunting, some people want to see me just explore. 1108 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,120 Some people want it to be funny, but some people want to be 1109 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,680 scared. So like, how do I put all of 1110 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,600 that in like 1 video? That's what I'm that's what I'm 1111 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360 focused on is just doing that. I have no doubt you'll keep 1112 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,600 doing it. Listen dude, I. 1113 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,600 I can't thank you enough for for coming on. 1114 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,960 It is such a pleasure to meet you. 1115 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,120 I got I got I got. I have one more question for 1116 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,720 you. So our big thing on. 1117 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,240 Look, we. Are the the underlying theme of 1118 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,640 splendered spirits is always you know what are spirits, right? 1119 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,000 We're painting, we're putting together this mosaic from 1120 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480 different perspectives of what are spirits and you answered us. 1121 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,320 What if you had to design one experiment for us to push that 1122 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,600 question further? What would a Jake Bruce, what 1123 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,200 our spirits experiment and video look like? 1124 00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,720 Oh man. I had, so I, I had this idea, I, 1125 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,960 it was like a kernel of an idea that I got from one of my 1126 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,760 creator friends, but he was talking to me. 1127 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,720 I can't remember what the experiment is called, but he 1128 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,080 does. He's a big YouTube Shorts 1129 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,280 creator and he does a lot of these videos about like science, 1130 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,440 science experiments that make you hallucinate, whether it's 1131 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,840 like sleep deprivation. There's one where you put ping 1132 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,400 pong balls in your eyes with a little hole in it and you stare 1133 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,040 at a red screen for 30 minutes and you start to see shadows. 1134 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,440 I would do stuff like that where you like put yourself through 1135 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,040 the ringer to see if you can. Basically. 1136 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,800 I don't even, I didn't get this far, but I think basically you'd 1137 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,040 end up finding out number one, is it hallucinations or is there 1138 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,520 more to it than that? And then #2 would be like, can 1139 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,720 you putting yourself through the scenarios attract spirits or 1140 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,720 entities of some kind? And then who or what are they? 1141 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,480 I think that'd help you answer the question. 1142 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,920 That's what I would do. That's a It's funny. 1143 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,840 Your mind goes there, right? Because a lot of times you hear, 1144 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,080 when do people really sort of hear about or feel spirit 1145 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,800 communication? A lot of times it's that moment 1146 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,320 of right before sleep or bed, right? 1147 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,800 And like, that's when alien abductions oddly happen, when 1148 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,280 people are, you know, half asleep. 1149 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,560 You know, there's. So there's certainly something 1150 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,520 to whether it's because your mind is more open in those 1151 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,360 mental states, but there's something definitely fun about 1152 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,120 that, that level of experimentation in this space. 1153 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,720 Yeah. I've talked about doing it. 1154 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,120 I. Might do it, I don't know though 1155 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,600 because some of that just seems a little bit too. 1156 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,880 He was telling me with the ping pong thing there's a name for 1157 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,520 it. I wish I could remember but he 1158 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,800 was telling me and he doesn't believe in ghost one bit. 1159 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,720 But he was saying after he did that he was seeing people dart 1160 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,960 past him and walked towards them and he said he like he will 1161 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,800 never do it again because it scared him so bad. 1162 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,400 So. So it's a charm for somebody. 1163 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,360 Maybe. John and I walk around with ping 1164 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,440 pong balls on her eyes like a. Couple of yeah, yeah, yeah. 1165 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,080 Let's see if it works you. Know Jake might have make. 1166 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,200 Jake might have just made that shit up so that we do it and 1167 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,560 then he can laugh. He's like, I can't believe those 1168 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,360 two. Yeah. 1169 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200 So I'll just be like, yeah. I got him good. 1170 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,200 Yeah, I fucking. Got. 1171 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,320 Him, by the way, if that is true. 1172 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,480 I would respect and be like, dude, he's the kid. 1173 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,200 Like I would love it if I got punked like that. 1174 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,280 It's like, did you see what they did? 1175 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,400 They actually did it? I would the ping pong or 1176 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,880 something like that. That'd be crazy. 1177 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,200 Did the ping pong experiment. Oh my God, Listen, I. 1178 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,240 Got this is Jake. Bruce, everybody. 1179 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,480 Jake Bruce, official on just about every platform. 1180 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320 His stuff is so great. It's so unique. 1181 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,880 Does anybody in the chat have any? 1182 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,440 We are live. Does anybody have any questions 1183 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,360 for him? Speak now forever. 1184 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,720 Hold your peace. He's got things to do. 1185 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,040 This guy's got videos to shoot. Oh my gosh, I just found the 1186 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,760 public chat button. What's up, everybody? 1187 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,760 Just like I. I thought there was a button 1188 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,080 somewhere. I just never I didn't look for 1189 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,800 it. So just now, Oh man, anybody 1190 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,320 have anything to say anything to say? 1191 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,400 Look if you. Came in late. 1192 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,960 I saw some of your like Oh no we're late. 1193 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,480 I dropped this. It drops everywhere. 1194 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,360 Podcasts are available tomorrow you'll be able to see the thing 1195 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,920 in its entirety. Well, one person asked about the 1196 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,240 the. Suicide forest in Japan? 1197 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,480 Oh yes, about that. My Evan, my camera guy and my 1198 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,560 friend, he has been obsessed with Japan since he was a kid. 1199 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,200 And he was like when we when you going to Japan, like when he 1200 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,360 we're playing a trip to Japan at some point. 1201 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,120 But I told him I wanted to film there. 1202 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,960 We were discussing if I would get like cancelled because 1203 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,040 that's what happened with Logan Paul was when he went there and 1204 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,240 filmed a dead body. But I was like, I think if we 1205 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,760 did it right, he's not that cancelled. 1206 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,360 So I mean you, you should be, yeah. 1207 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,240 Exactly. And that's why I told him I was 1208 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,600 like, well, look at. Where he is now. 1209 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,440 So I was like, I think if we did it right and we're just 1210 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000 respectful about it, I think that would be really cool 1211 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,160 because that's why I told him that is one of our bucket list 1212 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,080 locations. I've been there and it's like, 1213 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,400 you know, I didn't see anybody hanging around. 1214 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,480 Hanging literally around. But it's the odds are you just 1215 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,640 might, you know? It's just you never know. 1216 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,040 You never. Yeah, that's what I figured. 1217 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,480 That's what I figured too is it's like. 1218 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,600 The odds that you actually see somebody are fairly low, even at 1219 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,960 a place that's named the Suicide Forest. 1220 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960 Like there's places here that are called the Murder Forest. 1221 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520 You're not going to go there and see a dead body, probably. 1222 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,720 So I think we're disrespectful about it. 1223 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,280 I think it'd be cool. That's right. 1224 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,840 The field experiment, that's what it is. 1225 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,000 Andrew, he said it. That's the one. 1226 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,200 That's the one with the ping pong, the ping. 1227 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,960 Pong. OK, that's it. 1228 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,000 That's it. There it is, but have you? 1229 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,600 Ever done the Estes method? Oh yeah, yeah, plenty of times. 1230 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,800 What do you think of it? I'm kind of. 1231 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,280 I'm kind of 5050. I used. 1232 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,080 To love it. But then obviously again, like I 1233 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,400 think about it. So I, I, I have had a lot of 1234 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,720 times where it's been way too accurate for my comfort, I 1235 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,520 guess. And then I'm like band, there 1236 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,320 really is something to this. But there's other times where 1237 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,080 I'm like, OK, I feel like this person is just saying things. 1238 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,440 I think it really does depend on who you have go under and like 1239 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720 who they are as a person, because it is really easy to 1240 00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:01,360 just either subconsciously be. I'm not say I'm at Gettysburg in 1241 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,680 my mind, I'm thinking battle soldier, Union, Confederate 1242 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,800 wounded, amputation, and I'm going to hear those things as 1243 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,800 they come through. But I think also exactly. 1244 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,080 And I think, but I also think that if you have somebody that 1245 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:20,680 just is truly open minded and is able to just like kind of just 1246 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,280 walk in honestly and not think about anything like that. 1247 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,240 I have had a lot of experiences where it's like, OK, there's no 1248 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,000 way that they would have known that maybe we're talking about 1249 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,760 something that has nothing to do with the location. 1250 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,280 That's where I find it super interesting. 1251 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280 We had a fun we did an episode and you know, we. 1252 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,640 Recorded it where we did. We had about 10 people do it at 1253 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,480 the same time. So we had like those silent 1254 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,080 disco headphones and we had them all in it. 1255 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,080 And it was really, you know, we learned a lot from it and we 1256 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,920 learned how we can do it better for the next time. 1257 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,360 But it was fascinating for us, right? 1258 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,120 Because some, some people yell later. 1259 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,080 So, you know, that they heard the person next to them yell the 1260 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,760 answer first. So they're a little bit slow, 1261 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,360 you know, so it's like, OK, they're just copying it. 1262 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,920 Everybody hears their own name, right? 1263 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,360 They just, they all yell. But it's just what you said. 1264 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,920 There are moments where everyone in unison said the same thing 1265 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,160 and those same thing. Was dead on answering the 1266 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,640 questions. We were like side, you know, 1267 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,800 saying on the side and or what about what about the regular and 1268 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,200 yeah. My, my wife. 1269 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,520 My. Wife was walking in the 1270 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,360 background. Nobody can see her walking, 1271 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,280 right? And then they, yeah, they what 1272 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280 they say, they call it they. No, they said. 1273 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,880 Fuck you, Lisa. And it was like, fuck you, Lisa. 1274 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,760 And then and it's like we, it wasn't like. 1275 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,040 We asked the question we. Didn't say anything, they say it 1276 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,640 and it was just a weird thing when the crowd tells his wife, 1277 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,400 like fuck you. It was just sort of a whole 1278 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,160 thing and it was just like what is going to happen? 1279 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,520 That's what I try to do a lot of on Estes, especially if I want 1280 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,880 to. Like kind of test the person as 1281 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,800 I'll do like, OK, how many fingers am I holding up? 1282 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,480 Because if you're a ghost, you should be able to tell me or 1283 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,680 I'll be like, what color shirt am I wearing or what color is 1284 01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,920 this thing? I'll just point to something 1285 01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,400 random. I'll kind of do like an eye 1286 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,120 slide type thing. But yeah, it's like with 1287 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,720 everything. That's another reason why I just 1288 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,320 don't use very much equipment because I I've found over the 1289 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,320 years, the the things that I never have an I always have an 1290 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,080 explanation for equipment. Or like 90% of the time I can 1291 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,000 come up with an explanation like why the Rampod went off. 1292 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,680 Maybe it was my phone, the live stream with the music box, the 1293 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,800 one from Ghost Augustine into thermal cameras. 1294 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,240 If you open a door, it will go off. 1295 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,840 Like I've figured out everything. 1296 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,040 But what I can't figure out is when I hear a noise or I get 1297 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,520 touched or some, I hear a voice or I capture a voice. 1298 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,480 There's no one anywhere near me or a door slams. 1299 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,520 There's no wind. Like that's what I like. 1300 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,400 But with the equipment, obviously that stuff could be 1301 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,520 debunked as well, but I think with the equipment it's you just 1302 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,040 have to take everything with a grain of salt. 1303 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,720 That's what I tell people. It's just like, enjoy it, have 1304 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,440 fun, try to figure things out, but obviously everything you 1305 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,280 have to take with a grain of salt, that's just how it is. 1306 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,280 That's how everything is, even outside the ghost hunting. 1307 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,480 Yep. Well, this is Jake. 1308 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,080 Thank you. So. 1309 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,760 Much your videos are great. Everybody should check out Jake 1310 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,600 Bruce, Jake Bruce official on every site you can find it. 1311 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,360 They're just there's no there really isn't anybody like them 1312 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,000 that I can think of that does anything even close except for 1313 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,560 your brother. You and your brother are very 1314 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,560 similar, but it's, it's still, it is, it is an original take 1315 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,360 and it is a visceral take. You're not out there. 1316 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,400 We're not. They're not trying to solve 1317 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,240 problems. They're trying. 1318 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,240 It is you're trying to experience something and we feel 1319 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,040 it. You watch it and you feel it. 1320 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,600 You feel the fun, you feel the excitement, you feel the laugh. 1321 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,360 It is a great experience. It really is, man. 1322 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,040 I appreciate that. And I I. 1323 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,960 Appreciate you too man. Thank you so much for coming. 1324 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,960 On Yeah, thank you very much, man. 1325 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,160 Of course. Talk soon. 1326 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,240 So when we say goodbye, just. Leave your. 1327 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,200 Browser on until it says. Upload complete and then you can 1328 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,400 go about your life and do your thing. 1329 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,240 Gotcha. Thank you. 1330 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,520 I appreciate it. All right, Mom, Matt. 1331 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,000 Thank you so much, Jake. Thank you. 1332 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,960 Yep, later. That was great. 1333 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,040 Yeah, he's awesome. I mean, he's. 1334 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,760 Just yeah, yeah. Awesome. 1335 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,800 Dude. He makes you feel. 1336 01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,480 I mean, got to tell you, makes you feel young. 1337 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,480 I mean, kids like literally half my age. 1338 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,000 And it's just like he's out there, you know, doing something 1339 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,000 different and yeah, hell yeah. And he's a lot of thought. 1340 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,080 And it's smart. But he's smart. 1341 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,720 It's it's so. True. 1342 01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,440 When you are going against the grain, when you are going 1343 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,320 against everything that's come before, when you're doing 1344 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,560 something different in this niche of the paranormal, you are 1345 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,360 hated. Oh, yeah, you are hated. 1346 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,680 Yeah, you know, and there and and and that's just the way it 1347 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:32,880 goes. And you know, there's another 1348 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,960 example of somebody clearly successful, clearly on point, 1349 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,600 knows what he's doing and is just, you know, receives hate 1350 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,800 for it and, you know, just goes to show that. 1351 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,520 Well, that's just the field we're in. 1352 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,800 That's why that's goes into the whole, you know, Peri Unity and 1353 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,200 you know, the paranormal community, which I personally 1354 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,040 think is, well, I think we're it's it's an old load of shit. 1355 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,560 Because there are some people that. 1356 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,920 Were, you know, cool with it and whatnot, but the reality is 1357 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,880 there's more hate than unity out there. 1358 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,800 That's true. And that's but I feel like we 1359 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,480 are doing a a very. Big part in showing that we're 1360 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,800 not those people exactly. And it's but so it's like and 1361 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,400 and the people who do are they're just not going to 1362 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,040 succeed. Why is he playing music, dude? 1363 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,040 Hey, guys. Let me tell you something, treat 1364 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,280 yourself. Treat yourself, you like you 1365 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,560 like seeing John do clean headstones. 1366 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,760 This is something completely different, but just as wonderful 1367 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,560 to see. I mean, he's out like when he's 1368 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,240 blasting music, whatever it is, and I can't air it here because 1369 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,960 I'll get they'll just, you know, the music licensing, they'll 1370 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,320 they'll cut it or whatever, But it's it is hilarious. 1371 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,280 He just blasts popular music at the spirits and then he and 1372 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,640 then, you know, he does it until something, you know, pops off 1373 01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,560 and he gets scared and it's great. 1374 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,720 It's really he's he's a good. That was a good one, man. 1375 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,560 All right, listen, here's what's happening in the world of 1376 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,160 splintered spirits, folks. Like we said earlier, we've got 1377 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,240 interviews coming up with Nick and Tessa Groff. 1378 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,840 We've got next week it's an interview with Ben Benjamin 1379 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,160 Radford, another skeptic investigator. 1380 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,400 That's great. That's on Tuesday. 1381 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,000 Then we've got a very special episode a couple weeks from 1382 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,520 that, which is, you know, intimacy in the spirits with 1383 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,520 adult film star Aubrey Black, which is going to be a very, 1384 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,400 it's very fun. If you're, if you're one of 1385 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,840 those prudes, you might not want to watch that episode. 1386 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,880 You might not want to watch. That's for adults. 1387 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,520 That's for the adults. In the room, it's for the horny 1388 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,480 adults, yes, who want to. Get who want to understand? 1389 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,160 About sexual energy and science, guys, It was for science. 1390 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,120 It's for science. We've got Gary Galka, guys. 1391 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,400 You know, he's talking about equipment. 1392 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,440 How many of you ghost hunters out there use the SB-7? 1393 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,760 Guess what? That son of a bitch invented it. 1394 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,280 He's wonderful and his story is so unbelievably heartfelt of 1395 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,520 loss and love and why he's motivated to create what he 1396 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,080 created. That's a great 1. 1397 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,920 So we got a lot of good stuff. Kelly Curtis, the woman who did 1398 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,640 a whole big study about the death business and spirits, 1399 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,200 that's a great one. We've got that and many more. 1400 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,760 We've got a lot of a lot of great creators coming on our 1401 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,400 lives too in the next couple weeks. 1402 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,520 I think our live next week is with another podcast duo 1403 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,320 chumming with the spirits. These guys have been around. 1404 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,200 They got a great podcast and that's it, man. 1405 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,960 So a lot more to come. But again, Tuesday, new episode 1406 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,120 drops. Check it out, catch up on the 1407 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:46,280 old ones and tell your friends like share, hit that subscribe 1408 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,440 button. If you're watching on standard 1409 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,840 Paranormal, go over to Splintered Spirits, Spotify, 1410 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,000 Apple, YouTube, Facebook, everywhere. 1411 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,280 We're here everywhere. And what's up Instagram? 1412 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,200 Thank you for being there. It's been great. 1413 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,080 John. That's all I got today. 1414 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,960 We had a good one. That kid was great. 1415 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,320 Oh yeah, he's awesome. Well, that's it for another. 1416 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,280 Episode of Splintered. Spirits, be sure to like, share, 1417 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,600 and subscribe to our YouTube channel, Spotify, or wherever 1418 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,280 you get your podcasts. Until next time, stay curious.