Oh, we are live. Yes, we are.
Here we go. What is going on?
All right. Sorry for the late start.
Everybody wait. We we all know why.
If you were following young Satan out in the cemetery, did
you do that? Did you put that up there?
I like it. I like it a lot.
You know, I'm a fan. You know I'm a fan.
Of the well, listen, that's my, that's my, that's my rapper
name. Is it mine's still my?
I got, I got into hip hop a brief stint, you know, I wasn't
successful as a rapper, but I gained mucho success as an ASMR
artist. Interesting, my rap name is
Tone. Deaf, tone deaf yo.
We should collab yo young Satan and tone deaf It's.
An old dad joke. So I I nailed the dad jokes,
guys, nail them. Yeah, dad jokes.
All right, we got a lot of people joining us.
Welcome. Welcome.
I like it. Thank you for being here.
Splinter Spirits live, dude. We got a lot to go over, lot of
stuff. So we'll get into it first.
So I was talking to, I got some good stuff lined up.
I was talking to our friend and collaborator and our one of our
first guests, Lloyd hour back. If everybody remembers episode
4, Lloyd was, he is on so many boards and he's been doing this
for so long in the paranormal space.
And Kathy's been helping me out. Kathy Nadal, our, our guests,
our psychic medium guests as well.
They're just so plugged in and we have some really fun
perspectives lined up for people and hopefully this is all going
to work out. I want to talk to, you know, I
want to talk to the Forever Family Foundation.
I want to find out what they're testing is for psychics.
Can you, I'm sorry to cut you off.
I was talking about about them earlier in one of my lives.
I didn't have all the details. Can you explain exactly what
they are and they're? Yeah, I can for sure for the
look, by the way, I can only tell you from what I know what
they are so and, you know, they are a nonprofit organization
that actually helps with people who are grieving from loss
primarily. So it's like, you know, when a
family loses someone and they want to, you know, use a medium
to help them get through those times, The Forever Family
Foundation helps them with the grieving process.
So they go through, you know, someone like Kathy goes through
a very rigorous testing because they don't want to send, I
guess, you know, they don't feel like they want to send a fraud
out to somebody to take advantage of them in those
times. And it's, it's, it's
not-for-profit. So they go in and that's what
they do. And they just help people get
through these rough times, you know?
And it's non profit. So they do not, they do not make
a dime. Well, I guess, you know,
probably works off donations or something, but they're not
asking people that they're helping for, you know, I don't
think like the work Kathy does when she does it with the
Forever Family Foundation, she doesn't get paid.
She gets paid as a psychic medium for other things, but not
of course if she goes and sits with a family or something like
that as far as I understand it. As far as I understand, isn't
that phenomenal? It's crazy, right?
Yeah, I think that's amazing. Well, it adds a little bit like
to me, it makes it feel less. All right, Well, that's a little
less slimy, you know what I mean?
And it's just sort of like from a psychic.
Yeah. It's like, oh, maybe they're
what's going on. So I want to meet with the guy
who founded that. That process is like, I've got
an author. You know, we're talking, we do a
lot of tech. We talk a lot of tech on this
show and on this podcast. And you use a lot of tech.
It's a big part of the future of paranormal.
And I'm talking to someone who wrote a book on, you know,
paranormal and phones. So we, you know, hopefully we'll
get him on soon, which is really a big focus.
Also talking. I'm, I'm reaching out to, I want
to reach out to the Ryan Institute.
They do a lot of psychic testing, paranormal testing of
people and just sort of what that all means.
And I, I just like hearing these people who study it.
What do they think spirits are versus what you think spirits
are? And how do, how is there any
sort of connection into all this stuff?
You know what I mean? Which could be wild.
I mean, it just could be totally wild.
So that's good. What's going on in your world?
You know, the usual just got back from a cemetery.
I'm pretty sure everybody watching knows that, you know,
we just got back from a cemetery.
Yeah, normal. You know, we, we sat down a bit,
we went for a walk, came across a very interesting spirit named
Abby. I don't think it's my first time
speaking with her, though, or at least somebody around that plot.
And a very, very kind, respectful spirit, you know,
even said nice to meet you. You know, just yeah, yeah, very,
very. I like it when the nice ones
come through. And she was, you know,
responsive and nice and just to normal, you know, that's what
that's what today was so far. And then unfortunately the cold
weather has started drizzling, hence the late start because we
were supposed to do this from there.
Today, Yeah. Oh, that would be wild.
Yeah, well, it sucks. The weather's terrible, and
hopefully the spring will pick up some fun spots and fun
locations for all this stuff. Look, dude, we got a lot, you
know, we had a big week. We dropped episode 8, which was
a super fun episode and that's with Kathy and you in the
fireplace room. Anybody who's, you know, not
familiar with the podcast as of yet.
We got episodes one through 8 out are out now and there's some
really there's a great thing in episode 8 and we're going to
talk about it. If you're watching me on TikTok,
go to YT. You'll get the full experience
for this 'cause we're about to drop some clips and show you,
but so sorry, I'm stuttering around.
I'm going to show some video here to get people to understand
what we're talking about. But to remind everyone, and it
took one of our, it took one of our fans to point this out.
So we ran a test in episodes two and three, dealing with our
favorite spirit or my favorite spirit.
We love to hate Mr. Edward, who is the nastiest ghost in the
fireplace room. And we were speaking to it in
episode 2. We speak to a younger, there he
is. We speak to a younger version of
Edward, and we ran a little game on him telling him who I was,
and then we were. Then we lied about it to the
older Edward in the fireplace room in episode 3 to see if
spirits are connected. Because Johnny, why?
Why do we? Why are we wondering whether or
not spirits are connected? To remind everybody what the
theory is. So the theory is that spirits
are memories and two memories can be in two separate
locations, same spirit, two different memories.
So we wanted to see, since Edward is a very strong spirit,
if Edward is in two different spots because I got lucky enough
to find what is claiming to be a child version of him, or at
least is coming through that way.
That is a child version of Edward, memories being by his
plot, which is wild to begin with.
So we decided to run a test. So let me show you because in
episode 8, John and I effed up. We didn't hear it, We got it
backwards and it took a fan to point it out to us.
So I'm going to show you. Let me jump to this clip and
then and you guys lot watch what happens.
So this is from episode 8, and then I'm going to cut back to
episodes two and three and then we're going to figure, see,
we're going to talk about this for a second.
Oh wow, he knows you're the uncle.
Johnny. Oh my God, Johnny.
Who did we tell him I was? That's right, the test start
theory. I said you were my SO.
We told the little version of him that that he was my brother.
Wrong. We got that completely wrong
according to my. Here we go.
Technically, these two spirits shouldn't be connected.
I've got, I've got 1. Edward.
Edward, this man that I'm speaking to that you can hear,
this is my Uncle Gary. That's the young version, my
dad. You hate your dad.
OK, well, this is my uncle. This isn't my father.
This is my uncle. All right?
I just want it. I'm gonna.
This is my uncle Gary. So, you know, for the next time.
Stroke. OK, Stroke.
He said remember now in Episode 3.
What do you think of my brother? What do I do?
Do you know? I I, unfortunately, I do know
what you do. That's the problem.
That's why I'm here. But tell me about tell.
I think he might have been talking to you, you know?
No, dude, I don't want to talk. I mean.
That's that's directly talking to you, to be honest.
But tell me. Tell me what you tell me.
Who? About my brother.
All right, so all right. Where does that leave us?
Because now he called me eventually he called me uncle
and we never told him that. So now look, does this prove
that all spirits are connected? No.
It's one piece of data, but it was one test that we gave that
sort of crazily where you, what do you, what do you?
You're the one who documents, bro.
What do you make of all this? OK.
So as you said, it's one piece of data.
So what we're going to do is we're going to dive into that
one piece of data first and foremost.
This test might have been set up for failure to begin with, for
the simple fact that I have no idea what is in my actual
apartment. Listening.
Who knows what information Edward is being fed from other
spirits within the building itself?
Who knows if Edward himself isn't up there listening?
Are you saying he's cheating? Yeah, that son of a bitch
cheating. That's not of a but we'll think
about it. It's Edward.
He's cunning dude. Ruining your science?
He's cunning. So that's the first thing.
That's what that's a possibility.
The second also is he did, he did say uncle.
OK, he did say uncle, but how do we know that that one word was
directed towards us? Well, I mean, I know it looks
like it's. Not like it's not like a spirit
who's well known for saying full sentences said, hey, that's your
uncle, You're his uncle. But if all the words in the
universe, it's a little bit weird that it would say.
Uncle. Yes, yes.
Yes, you know what I mean. It's like we're sitting here.
Yes, no, that is true. But it's also, you know it also.
Started the whole play on this shit.
There's the whole thing is, you know, Yeah, yeah.
So it's. A little.
So we have to test, we have, we have to find another spirit to
test that theory on. Yeah, we do.
What are you thinking? This is what I'm thinking.
There is another spirit where I could we could test this theory.
He's come through once here, maybe twice his.
Name is here being where you are right now.
Being where I'm at right now, his name is Ernest.
I've heard him spoke of and I think I'm pretty sure I actually
spoke to him OK at least once or twice here in the in the in the
tower. And Ernest Simons is the owner
of this place. He's the one that created the
the factory and ran the business.
I also have spoken to him where he's buried so he would be the
next spirit. The only problem with Ernest is
that he's not that strong. Some of the people in the chat
are throwing out names John, Anne or Mamie.
So. So only problem with Mamie is I
don't know where she lives when she was alive, and as far as and
Purdy goes, I don't know if I would be allowed access to where
she was living when she was alive.
Got it. So.
And I, Jesse. Jesse has a great point.
But I don't think I I went through it, I didn't hear it and
it's. No, it doesn't.
It doesn't mean that. I would never said it, but like,
well that's what you're talking about.
Like when you're saying that was like when you were talking about
when you're, you're saying in your apartment or something
where the spirits are in the apartment hearing you because
because Jess in the order of things, we never went, I never
went to the fireplace room until that first episode.
That was my first time in there, you know, for this recording.
So you know, it had episode 2 happened 1st and then we went
back and filmed down there and then it wasn't for like a couple
of weeks later we went back with Kathy and and that and then this
happened. So could it have been said ever?
Maybe. But it's still the timeline in
the time between episode 2 and episode 8.
I don't, I was not, I have not been in that room.
So I don't know when that would have happened.
And that was before I was back in the apartment for Christmas.
So it's, it's hard to say, you know, yes, it's hard to say.
The odds are low that we slipped because I haven't heard it.
I was really, I was after that we got that pointed out, I went
back and listened, which is like unfun.
So even though I enjoy it, it's just like unfun.
Listen to all the raw footage and everything else.
But I don't know, man, it's crazy.
It's not like I always call you Uncle Gary.
Either that's the time I. Call you Gary.
Yes, you know, I will call you Uncle Gary.
It's just not, you know, not on the, not on the regular.
It's not like every time I I say I, I address you.
I'm like uncle. Gary, Uncle.
Gary, that's crazy. It's crazy.
Yeah, anyway, so. All right, so we've got Ernest.
He's here. Where do you think he what?
Where do you think the other version was again?
At the at the cemetery I was at today.
That's OK. And So what I'll tell you how
that went. The first time I spoke to him,
it was kind of hard because he was kind of weak.
You know, it was like, you know, I wasn't really getting much.
But when I came here, he didn't know who I was.
So. But then again, like I said, I
got very little data on that. It would have to be, you know,
we would need to go there, sit down, right, you know, try to
talk to him. And then I don't even think we
should run a test. I say we try to talk to him and
then I come back here and see if he remembers me.
Yeah. I mean, it's just that's a
that's a start. Yeah, you.
Know someone in the chat asked this question?
Can spirits read minds? What do we, so I, I do touch on
this, I do touch on this slightly in my live stream on
TikTok. OK, there has been and this
cannot be denied. There has been many times where
I would be speaking and the spirit will finish what I am
going to say. It actually happens quite a bit.
And what I've realized as is that things that are on the tip
of my tongue, the spirits will say before I get to say it.
So I don't know with that information, if spirits do kind
of have access to our brains in a way that, you know, normally
isn't spoke of. So it's it's AI don't think
they're I don't think they can read your mind.
I really don't. What I think happens is is they
can almost peer into what's in your mind because of the what
you're about to say to the forefront.
So basically whatever area of the brain calculates the words
that are about to come out of your mouth and you're about to
say them, they may have access to.
It's a good answer. It's a good answer.
You know the other funny thing about watching those clips too?
I just realized is like when we recorded that stuff, we were
never planning on using any video.
So I'm looking at myself in like AT shirt and hoodie and my glass
like I don't even think. I think I just rolled out of
bed, looked like total shit and it's like keeps.
It real man. Keeps it real.
It's just like I don't want to. Roll baby.
It's like I'm I'm 50 years old bro I don't want to keep it
real. It's like I want to look 20
years younger. Tired of keeping it real.
How do I fake it for a while? Fake it till I make it.
That's it. Fake it till you make it, you
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We have one more. Another good thing from a fan
and this seems like a regular. She asked a really interesting
question because I know you're doing a lot of fixed rig stuff.
Again, you've got cameras rolling all night at the
factory. And let me I'm going to jump to
this question and I think it's a really it's a good one for you
to answer. So look, Carrie Sue writes.
You know, I understand what she's what she's talking, she
being Kathy is saying during that during episode 8.
But why do we still hear the same spirit saying the same
things when John leaves the live running for us and he's and he's
leaves and is not there anymore. Like Edward was still calling
names and tell us not to give him gifts to gift him at the
same time in the tower, they'll continue to move stuff or talk
to go up and down the stairs, etcetera.
Doesn't have to go go against what the medium said now.
So anyway, it's a good question. It's a good question, but there
might be some fallacy in there. OK, And this happens a lot too.
Unfortunately, I, I ask my regulars all the time that are
always watching the YT stream. So we're going to we're going to
talk about the YT stream, the absentee documentation that
happens in the fireplace room. OK.
I asked people and I've been doing it for years.
Hey guys, does Edward say the same things or the spirits in
general say the same things when I'm there and when I am not
there? And I've been told that the
dialogue changes. I've been told that the dialogue
changes where instead of him yelling at at everybody not to
drop gifts, instead he'll say things like don't support John,
you know, he'll still call me an A hole, you know, and things
like that. But I hear that the dialogue
changes where it's, you know, he's aware that I am not there
anymore and he now has a one-on-one audience with the
people that are watching. You know, sure, there are a lot
of things that he says that don't change and, you know,
whatever, that's just the way it is.
No. You're right, but I guess.
I I don't understand what what I guess I missed something.
What did what did cat. Oh, maybe because we were saying
how you're the catalyst for the spirit.
So if you're not there. Yeah, I'm.
Just trying to figure out why she thinks because why would
they say something different if you're not there?
Nah, well, technically, technically they they, they
should be. You know, I'm I'm you know, I'm,
I'm another factor getting involved.
You know, it's not like the activity stops when I when I
leave, you know what I'm saying? Like, hold on, let's ask, let's
ask the let's ask the the the audience real quick.
Sure. What do you?
Want to ask do? You guys noticed how many of you
there's, there's 30 of you in here right now, right?
Yeah, I'm sure the majority of you have seen the fireplace room
with me in it and with me not in there, you know.
You know how many have have noticed the difference in the
dialogue? Is it different?
What are you saying? Someone just asked the funny so
stupid it is possible powers, but I'm a married man so I say
no, I'm a loyal married man we. Is the dialogue different in the
fireplace room for is for their steady fans who watch John at
Santa Paranormal all the time or they're watching his live
streams when he's not there. The fixed rig camera stuff.
Are they hearing spirits? OK, listen, All right, so here's
some of these responses. What's it called?
He turns it more directly to the chat rather than, you know,
direct directly to me. You know, what's it called?
And he talks about me while I'm gone as if, you know, like I'm
not there. Yeah.
This is what this is what I've been told, you know, like some
things are the same, but I've been told that the dialogue
changes. So that's what I mean by that,
you know, and that's a great question, don't get me wrong.
But I just noticed a little, you know, a couple things that just
didn't add up within the question.
And that's what I've always been told that the dialogue is is
different. Yeah, Is it changing?
So this is see now this answer where someone has heard he says,
hey, assholes to us the other day after you left.
That to me is where. But that's to me.
Like this is the thing to me is the personality is the same.
Yeah. That's where to me, it's always,
it's not what he's saying, because look, let you know,
let's talk. Even if the app has only so many
words in the word bank or whatever it's pulling from, the
personality's the same. The words it's choosing are the
same. I'm not quite sure how that
works or if there's a technical way to make that work.
I don't know the answer to that. But if if for some reason with
you it's always working that way, and that's strange to me,
that's strange to me. Yeah, the personalities don't
change. Yeah, especially with Edward.
Yeah, it's nuts. So here, same topics, just
phrased differently, you know, like it's, it's, it's, it's
crazy, you know, it's so that that's what I've always been
told. I've always been told that, yo,
when you're not there, John, this is what he's saying.
It's basically the same stuff, just phrased differently.
You know, he, it's almost like he's now talking to us with you
not there rather, rather than when you are there.
You know, in fact, something really interesting.
When I first started doing the Y TS, the absentee documentation
on the Y TS and I pulled it off of TikTok because that's what I
did originally. It used to be on TikTok.
And then we switched over to the Y TS for the absentee
documentation. It took Edward like a week to
figure out it was a different application.
He was still telling people not to gift and all that stuff.
And then he must have realized, oh wait a second, this isn't
TikTok. Isn't it funny that he care?
He's learning the apps, yeah. Dude, it's crazy.
I'll tell you. That's the one thing about
Edward. I will say.
He is smart. He is not stupid.
He is cunning. He is smart.
That's crazy, man. Yeah.
All right. So what do we have coming up?
So guys, we've got a couple things coming up in the next 2
episodes I told you about you know, we're planning some big
expert things the next two episodes.
You know, episode 9 is we got some ghost stories, more just
ghost stories, you and I bullshitting.
But episode 10 after that, John and I go on the offensive.
I don't think you're ever going to hear.
I don't think you've ever heard John this way.
Certainly you haven't heard me this way, but we're in the
fireplace room again and it's very, it's very hard hitting.
It's like we go after, we really go, we really push, whereas you
normally sit back. We push, we push for answers and
it's pretty funny. Yeah, it's, it's very
aggressive. It's it's funny.
Yeah, it's funny. And you know, for me, I, you
know, here's I only have one more question too.
I want to pose to the audience because I was talking about
this. We like this time slot, but it's
like I'm curious for people who are watching, you know, let me
know what day and what time would be easier to watch this
live. Is this the best time for
everyone? Are you sitting around?
You have to get back to work unfortunately.
When do you wish it was on? Is it interrupt some of your
favorite shows? What is the what do you guys
think? Is this a good time?
Thursdays at 4:00. You know, shout out to the 60
people that are watching right now.
I love it. It was high for a minute.
They tire up for as well. It's still showing 60 for me.
Yeah. And I refreshed.
Yeah, it's good. I think this is the highest sofa
we're growing, that's for sure. Yeah.
So the reason why we're asking that question is we're actually
thinking of switching this tonight.
You know it's a. Sunday night?
Is a Sunday night easier? Is everybody sitting at home
doing nothing anyway? Or is it, you know, a late
night? Is it later at night when you're
sitting there herkle dirkling on your phone?
Is it a better time to watch something like this?
Yeah, yeah. We're, we're, we're thinking of
switching it up. We're thinking about it going,
you know, a later time. I see we're seeing like 5
Anything after hours. Works for, works for, works for
me. This one.
A lot of people say it works. Yeah.
Well, we might. We might try, and hopefully we
won't. If we do try another time, we'll
get you then too. Enough.
See 3060 some people are like an hour later probably get off work
at like 4 or 5 four. Or five.
Yeah, you know, yeah. Well, you know what we could do?
We could always, like you said, we could always test it out, try
at night time and see how it goes and see if people like.
It. Yeah, See if we get the eyes all
right. It's good to know.
Yeah. Probably a lot of your work and
you're trying to sneak it and not let your boss see you're
watching ghost stories. It's a little smart idea, yeah.
That's what we were talking about.
Yeah, somebody or when I was asking this question though, we
got another question which is really interesting.
John, I know you have an answer for this if I could find it
again, but they were she was asking like she was confused
like can. So here we go, spirits.
Can learn. I think that's the.
Question right? Spirits can learn.
Spirits can learn, they can forget to.
That's the old. I have a theory on that.
Old memory versus new memory. Let's hear it.
So the the the theory goes as follows is that spirits can gain
new memories and without proper stimulus to those memories, lose
them. That's basically.
The and every. Yeah, and every spirit's
different too. So it might take a spirit a week
to forget. It might take a spirit a year to
forget, but sooner or later we'll forget without the proper
stimulus by boxing. So are you saying that if a
spirit did crossword puzzles they would strengthen their
energy waves and possibly hold on to memories longer like an
old? Person If the crossword puzzle
was the thing that sparked the new memory, sparked the the
learning. Interesting.
You know, like for example, for example Foxy the cat right in
the tower. If I were to move Voxy to a
different location, all the spirits that learned who Voxy
was after a while will forget that she existed.
Interesting. No.
SO that's basically what I mean by that.
OK. No, all right.
What do you guys think? Yeah, and we and we've seen this
too. It's not like I've like I've
I've, I've told this story a million times.
Well, tell me how you've seen it.
Give me an example of how you've seen it.
So we'll recap. So the first cemetery that I
ever really documented fully and poured a lot of hours into was
the abandoned cemetery. This is a cemetery that is 3
cemeteries rolled into one. It's the Kings Rd. cemetery AKA
the Baptist cemetery. The and the strange burial
grounds which I took you to. You've been to the cemetery.
Yeah, OK. OK, so for a couple, for a
while, I was not allowed back at that cemetery because of
something that happened that I was falsely accused of.
And when I finally got back to that cemetery, all the spirits
basically forgot who I was. When I remade my connections
with those spirits, the spirit that was known as the grumpy
spirit Elmer became one of the nicest spirits ever.
Still kept his personality. He just liked me the second time
around. And the Spirit.
When you grow up, people, dude, you're charming.
Yeah, and the spirit, though. But get this is where it gets
crazy. The spirit that you can thank
for the boom of cemeteries and cemetery lives and all the
people that came after I started, you know, wandering
cemeteries. The reason why people realize
that there's actual spirits in cemeteries because, as you know,
it was very taboo and it was thought that there were no
spirits at cemeteries. Most experts you speak to will
be like, there's no spirits at cemeteries.
OK, we know that's wrong now, but the reason why all that
happened was because of a spirit was not only not only one of the
best spirits I communicated with.
If I needed to tell somebody off about, you know, they had, you
know, those being rude, I would literally go to Joseph T June
and have a conversation with Joseph T June about that person.
Like so say someone in the chat was like, oh, this is fake.
This is bullshit. I'd be like, I hold on for a
second and walk up to Joseph and be like, yo Joe, you believe
what this a hole is saying? And then Joe would respond, this
is real, blah, blah, blah. Like he would like back me up
fucking wild, like instantly back me up.
That spirit does not like me now.
That spirit forgot who I was. And the second time I went to go
talk to him the the revival, if you will, that cemetery, that
spirit wants nothing to do with me actually will tell me to go
fuck myself if I get if I approach him now that's.
Crazy. Wild.
Do we know anything about this person?
Like how old? Like what was your grave?
What was the like year? You know, offense.
Yeah, 1818, 80s I think, or 1860s.
And I believe he was 33 years old when he died.
Oh my God. I think, I think I could be
wrong on that information, but yeah, wild, right?
That is wild. Wild.
Crazy. That cemetery was awesome,
though. I mean, there was just so much
going on at that place where I was.
Yeah. Where you were.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.
We just went to the Strange Burial Ground.
We just went to that one section and sat there a the best
service. And there are spirits that come
through there all the time. Oh, and that was the other big
change when I went back to the second time, you know, not like
just one, like when I went back for the second wave, if you
will, of that cemetery. The spirits in the Strange
Burial Ground opened up to me the first time.
They would rarely come through. So I mean, that shows some sort
of a memory in the sense that they need to know if you could
build a, you could sort of build a trust or build a relationship
with them at the same time. At the same time, you can also
lose that trust and lose that relationship that you've had
experiences with. And you can't.
Yeah. Do you ever go back to Joseph T
June's grave and say, like, do you ever try every now and again
and be like, maybe clean it up? Maybe he needs a cleaning this
summer and then you can get back in its good graces?
Maybe I've tried a bunch of times talking to him and he
wants something to do with me. I wonder what that's isn't that
crazy? It's so crazy.
Kim Rowland is Kim Rowland asked the question here and I actually
know the answer to this from and if you listen to the podcast
Kim, you too will know the answer to this episode 4
specifically, what is the difference between a spirit and
a poltergeist. So the difference that most
people use as a definition of it is that a poltergeist is a, a
manifestation from a person. So it's like people who have
studied this will see it happen in a lot and oddly a lot of
teens when they're heavily emotional and things fly off the
walls and such and, and things of that nature and that the team
is the poltergeist agent. The energy that's knocking
things off the wall is the poltergeist.
But really like the, the, the belief system is that you can't
have one without the other. Whether one can stay around
without the other, I don't know the answer to that.
And if that becomes its own thing, but that is like a
poltergeist is not what we would refer to here as the apparitions
that John is speaking with when he's at the cemetery.
Basically in a nutshell, the poltergeist is not sentient
right? It's not sentient, it doesn't
have its own identity. It's coming from the person.
The agent which is Gary is 100% correct on that.
Most of the time poltergeists are caused by preteens and teens
hormones. Heavy emotions, heavy stress.
Yep. Yeah, that's what they they
usually look at Poltergeist agents are studied probably more
so than even spirits, by the people who study spirits because
it's usually, I think they the. Only thing, the only thing that
truly does bother me about the whole poltergeist thing, right?
Since we're on the topic, I might as well say it.
What, what really does bother me about the poltergeist agent and
the poltergeist is you never hear about poltergeists from
PTSD victims. You never do.
Like it's always like a team that's going through something
or something like that, Like you, you would think and, and
this is where, you know, you really got to critically.
I wonder is anybody studying them?
Yeah, I wonder I that'd be awesome.
Am I there? Is something out?
There it's, you know, I don't know if they're, it's not like
you never, you never hear of them because maybe no one's
studying it because who's around?
Maybe a PTSD victim doesn't want to tell anybody that things are
flying around their house. Maybe not where I know it's a
possibility. Or as a parent might be
complaining about their kids when things are flying off the
roof, you know, flying off the shelves.
Yeah, yeah, You know what I mean.
But I wonder, like I wonder that's, that's yeah, it's a
possibility. You never hear about it.
So I wonder. Anyway, I hope, I hope that
answers your question. But honestly, listen to episode,
listen to episode 4 because there's there are and it's
useful. It's useful to define these
things, even though they are amorphous, just so that we know
we're talking about. And it's even different when
we're talking about what a haunting is because the haunting
is referred to. So so the the difference as like
an imprint, a recording, so. You know what's, you know what's
really interesting? What episode was it, Gary?
The one where it was the the the Lloyd.
At 4:00, that's episode 4. Episode 4 with the Doctor and
the whole let's just refresh everybody's memory about that.
It was basically he was doing an investigation in a house where
at 3:00 AM they would eat like the three.
People having sex. Yeah, was woken up with people
having sex. He did his homework.
He found out that it was a ritual for the previous couple
to, at 3:00 AM, wake up and start banging their brains out.
Yeah, and he found and the couple were still alive.
And they were. Like they were dead.
They left such a they had, as I joked in that episode, they left
the spectral sex tape in that in that poor new owner's house,
which is which is crazy, but he investigated it.
He went and it and it was like that is that's a haunting,
right? That was what the difference is,
what a haunting is versus this, an apparition versus a
poltergeist. Yep, if.
You're going to believe in any of this shit, guys.
It's like, that's what these definitions mean, right?
Like so it helps us as we're trying to line things up.
So now. Line them that way.
You know, and a lot of you again, again, like, like Gary
said, these are definitions. You guys know me, if I was the
person on that case, for example, I'd taken that data.
You taking that in consideration, but then you also
have to take in the other possibilities as well.
There's possibilities with that case alone that the sexual
energy was being well, there's actually a lot of things that
could have been happening there. You know, the sexual energy
could have fed something and that what sounds like fucking at
at 3A at 3:00 AM is actually just the spirit acting out that
energy. You know, that it that it got it
could it could also be that the couple themselves affected those
spirits like that, You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, it fed off it, but now it imprinted on those, you
know, those, those those people, you know, almost think, almost
think of it like, remember going back to Hale's story?
I'm sorry to jump around. Go back to Hale's story from
last week and I asked Hale a very simple question.
I said, Hale, were the the three of you were in in opposition of
each other? But was it more of like a
ganging up like the other two people we're against you rather
than against all three, You know, a A3A3 way, if you will, a
three-way battle Royale. And come to find out, no, it was
the other two that were, you know, in opposition of her.
And then the spirit reacted in kind.
You get what I'm saying? So it's amazing how much what,
what the take away from this is the take away from this is, you
know, Lloyd could be 100% correct.
Yeah, but. The The thing is, look, you're
studying when you're studying something and you get to an
answer, and I think this is most scientists right, where they get
to the answer that and it matches when the square, when
the square fits into the square peg fits into the square hole.
It's like, OK, we've got it right.
You know it's. Like that?
Well, well, it it's it's it's. Kind of like.
That it's basically just just to add to that though, it's OK the,
the square, the square shape fits into the square hole done.
But that square shape has to fit into that square hole with
different tests. So like, for example, you know,
technically, and there's no way to do this.
You have to get that couple out, put a new couple in, see if they
experience the same thing, then the next couple, then the next.
You can't do that in the paranormal.
No, no for sure. I think it just, I think I think
most people tend to or most doctors right the E the simplest
solution is usually the right one.
And, and I'm sorry to cut you off just real quick going back
to the doctor Lloyd, he's got a couple books out, right.
Oh yeah, yeah, Lloyd's books are great guys.
Lloyd Auerbach is. Is Lloyd Auerbach is very well
known? I I mean, yeah.
He's got a couple of books out his.
Books are really fun. I you know, I got my crash
course. He gave me the crash course in
paranormal from this one, Ghost Hunting, how to investigate the
paranormal. And he's even got a book,
Hauntings and Poltergeists really dives into what those
definitions are. But yeah, look, these are big.
These are just sort of. I'm just trying to promote his
books. I know.
He's great. To read, definitely give it a
read. Go on Amazon professor, he goes
by professor paranormal. He does Q and as on YouTube a
lot He's been around man. The guy's got stories, but look
and he he does the work He he puts in the work right?
He sweat, he he went. Knocked on doors, got some
answers, found I can. Admire someone that puts in the
work, yeah. So it's great.
But anyway, that's a fun. That was a very long way to
answer what's the difference between a poltergeist and A and
a haunting and all that stuff. But that's a fun.
But this is kind of what we're trying to do here on the
podcast, right? And we're trying to get to all
these dancers and have fun doing it.
We can make it a little longer real quick if you want, because
I got a story. I want we always.
We do. We love ghost stories.
Let's go. I've got a story, I've got a
story. So when it comes to
poltergeists, I came across the poltergeist once and this is
this is some serious implications because I came
across what I called a detached poltergeist.
I came across a poltergeist that no longer has a poltergeist
agent and it is one of the scariest fucking things I have
ever ever came across. Yeah, How do you know it was a
poltergeist? Because it wasn't sentient.
So this thing, this thing, not only did it latch on to one of
my friends at the time too, but this, this thing, there was no
reasoning with it. Like when I was communicating
with it, there was literally no reasoning with it.
No, no, like, you know, like when you talk to Edward, there's
a personality there. Yes.
You could tell, you know, you're you can tell you're speaking to
somebody. Yeah.
This thing was almost a mindless.
It was just like all about rage and hatred and and it was just
it communicating with it was completely different.
And it took me a second to go, oh shit, where am I at?
I'm at Letchworth. OK, There was probably tons of
poltergeist activity at Letchworth with all this shit.
Those poor patients went through one of the chances that one of
it manifested so bad that there was an actual poltergeist there
knocking things off and playing around with things.
And oh shit, is this now that the agent is completely gone and
removed? For decades this thing remained,
you know, leftover in this place.
And the only data that I have on it is the fact of how the
communication went, that it was just so like, I can't even
describe it. I wasn't, I wasn't speaking to
what used to be a human, is what I'm saying.
Even like the worst spirits that go through the worst
transformations, you know, you could still like, you know, I'll
give you another example. The smoke.
You ever hear me talk about the smoke?
Yes, I've heard a buck out right.
No, not a buck out at the pre war burial ground.
Oh, OK, OK, it was a it was a child, maybe even a baby.
That was just this thing was ruthless.
It was terrorizing people that I had nothing to do with.
You know, it was, it was, it was just bad.
Even I was able to communicate with that and reason with that.
Even when everything it went through, I was able to reason
with it. I did with this thing at
Letchworth. I couldn't, I couldn't even talk
to it. It was just it, it you could
tell that it wasn't a, a, you know, a human spirit.
But also, but also this, you're at an insane, a former insane
asylum. Could it have been a mad the
memory of a mad person? Could have been, could have
been. It's a possibility.
I don't have enough data on it. I called it.
I called it a detached poltergeist because that's just
the way it. Felt it.
It it felt, but you're 100% correct, that could have been
that could have been a crazy person.
Right. I mean, if if we're talking
about memories left behind and you're in an insane, you know,
and and you know, and. No, you're listen, you're 100%
correct because I have so little data on it other than the two
experiences I had with it and. Honestly, check me out, it's
check me out being a ghost, paranormal, check me out being a
paranormal investigator. There you go, There you go
asking the right questions. Lloyd you did good, Lloyd, you
did good. Lloyd Hale.
Hale like to mention, brought up a great experiment that Lloyd
told me about too, called the Phillip Experiment, which if you
go to, you know, you can probably find video of it on
YouTube, which is a great poltergeist sort of example,
like sort of the old time when the guys going out and filming
it and stuff like that. I would share it, but I don't
have the rights to it. But it's like if I'll try to get
them and share it with everybody one day.
But it's you can right now. You can go look at it on your
for yourself. But it is that is a good
experiment. That's a great one, A great
example of what a poltergeist is or what they think it was at the
time. You know, it's pretty good,
guys. What else?
How can we leave the fine people
here? We're getting close to our hour
again. Sorry we started late today.
I mean, I know you said you had a lot to talk about.
I I'm down to go longer if you want.
I understand if you got something going on.
No, I got stuff to do. I got no, I got to jump.
Just keep prepping, dude. We got to keep cutting, keep
betting, keep calling, keeping this thing going.
Guys, I I love the numbers today.
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We're looking to hit 10,000 followers across every platform.
We can do that. We'll start getting some real
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Locations, travel. Do we have do we have any any
stories to end with? Do we have any submissions?
Not this week, not this week, not not not enough good evidence
for this for for this week. OK, but we're getting that's
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which you know, we've been out for two months.
So we had 2500 listens, which is pretty wild for for a couple of
non celebrity schmo's like us to for a, a podcast out of I think
there's, I don't know, something like 380,000 active podcasts in
the universe right now. Yeah.
So we're doing all right. We could do better.
We're trying to do better. We want we want to give you guys
what you want. And that's really it, man.
I got nothing else. I think we're good for today.
Yeah. All right, hold on.
Who is this? Real quick, We'll end it with a
question. I think we got a good one in the
in the chat here. I just don't know if it's
referred to me or you. Regardless, it'll be
interesting. Has all of your research you've
been doing changed your opinion on spirits?
So is that directed towards me or do you want to go?
And then I'll go. I mean, I'm more interested to
hear your. Yeah, you know, it's a.
Input on it to be honest. No, no, for sure.
Has all the research we've been doing changed your opinion on
spirits? Has it?
It's changed my opinion. Yeah.
I would have to say yes. I mean, it's a yes or no
question. I'll give it a yes.
What? I have no idea what they are.
And I've said this before and, and what I really think it for
me that I still like, I'm fascinated by is not the, the,
that the app speaks back or the words that it says or even that
it repeats words or says their answers questions.
It's personality that that makes me wonder what's going on.
So it's like when I hear this the same personality of a of a
spirit that John is talking to in a in a specific location that
I find interesting. Could the app be, you know, is
the app Geo sort of marking these particular words in this
particular thing? I can't let's say it even it is.
Let's say it is, but. One all little secret.
It's regular. It's.
One all little secret, when I run these apps, the phone that I
use. You reset it?
Yeah, OK. So see.
And then he resets it and I've been it's like so in.
Fact. Sometimes it's on.
It's on airplane mode. All right.
I mean, so that's what that's what sort of wows me about that.
That's super interesting to know.
I mean, you know, so it's the personalities of them that makes
me wonder what's going on and of all the theories out there.
I, you know, I'm not a religious person.
I grew up that way and just John, same as John.
We both grew up the same way and we're both sort of atheists and
it's sort. Of a. 100% atheist about it and
it's so I look at it like there is something to this idea.
Where does energy go and where what is that?
You can call it soul, you can call it whatever you want, but
it's energy. And are there memories attached
to it? Why the hell not?
No one really knows what the how the mind works.
That's the one thing in science we still don't understand how
this works. It's so bad that people don't
even know how to use it. That's yeah, believe me, dude, I
I know that right away. I think one of one of our
favorite questions on the podcast is and listen, we love
you guys. We thank you guys.
But it's so, so like, where do I hear the podcast?
And I'm gonna leave you just say this with all due respect, if
you don't know where to find a fucking podcast in 2025, I don't
know what to tell you guys. It's like you're living in a
cave. They're everywhere.
It's the new world order. Figure it, figure it out.
I want your attention. I want you to listen.
I want your, I want your eyeballs.
But it's almost like, I think if you don't know where to find a a
podcast, then I would, I would prefer you as a human being in
society to crack a book and like read, learn.
So, you know, read, like get, educate, get educated.
Then worry about where we are. Because if you don't know where
a podcast is at this point in the game, I don't know if I can
help you with a lot of the answers.
But when we say the podcast is everywhere, it's it's
everywhere, you know, everywhere.
It's. Everywhere.
And so I mean, I guess I'll answer that question too.
Mind dramatically changed, you know, and I'm talking about when
I first started doing this, you know, to now my it's, it's, it's
changed like you wouldn't believe.
I've realized so many things about spirits.
Spirits are bored. You know, a lot of spirits don't
know what the hell is going on. They're as ignorant as me and
you. And this is what I always tell
people, which is wild, yo. Spirits are not omniscient.
They don't know the secrets of the universe.
Think of yourself. Think of yourself dying.
That's what a spirit knows. It's, it's, it's really wild.
And when I first. Started doing this back in 2021.
When I first started doing this, I didn't understand these
concepts. I thought that, you know, when
you died, you at least were able to find out some information.
You know, I didn't realize how boring, you know, the afterlife
could be if you're stuck in, in, in the same, you know,
rotations, if you will. You know how I know they don't
know? Because they screwed up my NCAA
brackets, that's for damn sure. I mean, they couldn't pick the
basketball teams. They couldn't predict that.
My friend, my favorite selection bracket guys was a bust.
They dropped out. They had me having St.
John's winning the whole thing, which is a disaster.
Florida wound up winning, even though some of them said
Florida, which was a great win, didn't help me in the long run.
So no, they're not Privy to any new information, certainly on
the NCAA college basketball front that I can tell you first
hand experience, first hand experience.
So all right, let's let's end it on that.
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