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Boy, what's up man? Welcome splintered spirits live.
Yeah, splintered spirits live, dude.
What did you think of the Shanley?
Dude, the Shanley, we had a lot of fun in the chalet and I'm
putting together what we did. So we did a whole ghost fire,
ghost fire session, which has some interesting stuff in it.
And then I don't know if you showed anybody yet or well, they
saw it live, I guess, but that noise I heard in that room is
confusing. And that was like I.
Didn't make any clips yet but I will.
I didn't get. I didn't get to go for the.
Live for the people who didn't watch the live We were in that
Anna's bordello bedroom and it there was like it sounded like
someone was hitting the blinds on the window to me and then we
looked and there's plastic behind it, but it doesn't look
like the window's broken to blockage or so I don't know like
to create that loud of a noise. I just couldn't.
I couldn't figure it out, man. I just.
Couldn't it wasn't it wasn't that wiggly out?
I mean, it did natural wind and gusts and whatnot, but you would
hear it if if wind was blowing through that window, even this
old window, right? If wind was blowing through and
hitting that plastic and then hitting that blind, do that old
sound. What?
We were hearing was different. Very different first of all.
Oh wow. We got a lot of people in right
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It's free, it's free and as always, we're going to drop this
tomorrow. But guys, I don't want to waste
a lot of time. We've got a guests and they're
sitting in the lobby patiently. You've seen these guys, they're
go, so I like them. So guys, our guest today hail
from Kansas City. Did you know that they were
haunted in Kansas City? No, I didn't know that they came
from Kansas. City.
They're from Kansas City, Dude, I've never been to Kansas City.
Yeah, dude, you know what I feel?
I want to ask him this too, but I feel like Kansas City, the
only thing I know about is from mob movies that I like.
Like it's got this big had like a big mafia presence, like if
you watch Casino or something. So I bet the Italian food's
really good. So we started this.
They started this podcast. They were paranormal
investigators and friends sitting in a basement drinking
beers, talking about ghosts. And then they just, and then
only a little like a year before us, you know, in July of 2024,
they started a podcast and they are doing really well.
And they are big proponents of elevation, right?
All ships rise at the tide. They do a lot of stuff with
promoting other podcasts and other creators and other
influencers. And if you don't know who I'm
talking about yet, if that wasn't enough of a clue, I'm
talking about Jeremy, JD Duvall and Larry Parachum Buchanan.
Now, I got to find out. I got to find out where that
name comes from. We're talking about chumming
with chumming with the spirits, JD and Larry Parachum Buchanan.
Let's bring them in here. Thank you.
Thank you for being here. Thank you, chum.
Thanks for having us on. Oh, for of course I want to
hear. I've never been to Kansas City
first and foremost, so I want to know how you guys are.
You were your work friends, high school buddies.
How did you get into Tell me about Kansas City, growing up
there, meeting and then finding out that you're both have seen
ghosts? That's the abbreviated version
is We met through a work friend who found out I like to do
paranormal investigations. Grew up in a haunted house.
Larry also grew up in a haunted house.
We all met at an investigation which actually was put on by
investigation group by Larry and Rick Parks, a friend of ours
that gave gave me a diploma on actual paranormal investigation.
I was certified how to investigate, but that's actually
how we met. That was almost 15 years ago. 15
years ago, yeah. And I've been doing this for
about 20. Yeah, so.
She's sort of a work friend who used to be on podcast, Dave OG,
who I knew because he was a salesman of mine who was a
salesman of Rick Parks who found out I like paranormal stuff.
We ended up going to an investigation which Rick and
Larry put on and kind of just snowballed from there.
We we tried a few things in Kansas City.
We did some investigations. We tried doing documentaries,
which well you, you're from LA area there.
That is a lot of work. People don't realize how hard to
do film quality documentary B roll A roll and then trying to
get together and then find somebody who really wants that
it. It's a lot more difficult than
COVID happened and we're like shut everything down, shut all
the sites down. Everybody wanted to stay 6 feet
away, which I was OK with, but a lot of the sites shut down.
They weren't allowing people in. And we're sitting in in Dave's
basement talking about all the stuff we've seen over the years,
some of our individual investigations, and we're like,
you know, this would be kind of cool if we could actually just
record this, the stories and what was going on in it.
It kind of morphed from there. Yeah, I'm still mad about that.
That initial night, we were in Dave's basement and we're
watching this horrible documentary about a vampire
hunter in the city who was certain that he had found a
coven in an old hotel or motel. And at the end of the episode
they were getting ready to go in to find the vampires, and it cut
off. I spent four months trying to
find the name of that show so that I could see how horrible it
was going to progress. It was so horrible, you, you
were just addicted to it. They only ever made one.
Episode we just happened to find one episode because we're trying
to find something to to watch and it it yeah.
So what do you guys do? What do you said they were
salesman years, What do you do? What's your business?
Yeah, So I'm in industrial. I do industrial automation.
So the easiest way to say, remember the old TV show How
It's Made? And they'd show all the machines
making stuff, whether it be folding some cookies.
I program those machines. Oh, so you're the guy thing,
everybody out of work in the in the factory business, in the
manufacturing business. You don't want to slack off,
let's just put it that way. Right.
No. No replace.
A lot of people think they blame other people, but you don't
realize that automation is really going to take off in a
huge way very faster than people recognize, you know it is.
It's it's an. We talk about AI all the time,
but we're not talking enough about automation.
You know, that's really right there with it, you know, All
right, so you're in this business.
You, you said you, you guys both just mentioned you had you grew
up in haunted houses. Now I'm curious, what kind of
religious background did you have and tell me about like, how
did you know? When did or when did you realize
your house was haunted? At what age was this like in an
early age and like that's a ghost or were you?
Did it take you a minute to figure out that it it wasn't the
HVAC system making the noise? You know, what was the deal
there? You guys, Larry, you go first.
That's. Just the house suddenly.
So my, my mom was Methodist. So I grew up going to Methodist
Church and then my parents got divorced.
So my dad wanted me to go through catechism just to make
my mom mad. So I had I've had to go through
all that kind of stuff. I haven't gone to church since.
I've given the choice not to because I'm one of those people.
Like I believe that there's something out there.
I just I have a hard time believing what it is until I can
see it and quantify it. Said the scientist.
Said the person. That works in the lab.
So I, I grew up all over the United States.
I was born in Virginia. We lived in Coatesville, PA,
which is right next to Philadelphia, for a while as a
kid. And the thing, I don't remember
this, it took me years and years of thinking about it, hearing
stories from my sister before I was like, oh, that's weird.
Our bedrooms were right across the hall from each other on the
second floor. Our house was built on the back
of the VA hospital in the small town, and my dad would find
headstones while mowing the yard and pick them up and toss them
into the woods, she said. Every night.
Almost every night. John panicked at the city.
He's like, Oh my God. That's like, that's a culture
guy fucking. Let's get rid of this.
Let's get rid of this one, dude. Now listen.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Wasn't expecting that, No. She would wake up in the middle.
So she 10 years older than I am. She would wake up in the middle
of the night and see me standing in her doorway watching her
sleep. And she would be like, hey,
Junior, because that's what they called me, go back to sleep.
And she would get so mad because I wouldn't listen to her that
she would get up, grab my hand, walk me across the hall.
Every time she would hit my door, noticed that I'm already
asleep in my bed in the little kids hand that she was holding
would no longer be there. She said that I was.
I would be in my room. Yeah.
Playing with kids and talking to people that weren't there.
I don't remember any of it because I was so small.
Or I just blocked it out. I don't know.
But it seems like this stuff's followed me since I've been a
little kid, so. All right, so you're probably a
witch like John is, OK. Oh, he's attracting things.
I can guarantee he attracts things.
Yeah, she told me this one story that her, her and her friends
were in the basement of that house one time.
And, you know, back in the 80s and 70s, people had the the
decorative saw blades that were painted with murals and stuff
hanging on the walls. It might be a Midwestern thing.
It is, yeah. It's a Midwestern thing, but
she. Yeah, we've seen them.
I've seen them in horror movies. Yeah, yeah, she said that it
started shaking and flew off the wall towards everybody.
She was this. Is like the last piece of art
you want. Flying off the wallet Portland
in the tornado area. Those are not things you put on
the walls if if high winds can come.
Well, it was Pennsylvania. It was OK there, but not
anymore. Everything's OK in Pennsylvania,
gentlemen. Not anymore.
The tornado alleys. I think it just proves that
Pennsylvania's a hot bed. All right, so then.
And Larry, what about you? I mean, JD, what about you?
So I was raised Christian, moved over to Mormon for a brief
moment. My mom died when I was really
young, around 5 or 6. She passed away.
Breast cancer, you know. Anyways, that my grandmother was
very into spirits and very religious, though I mean every
time we stayed with her, we were we're going to church every
Sunday or that'd be Southern Baptist, whether it be
Pentecostal, whether it be Catholic, whatever church was
available. She made sure that we always
went my big like very similar Larry my I have a four year old
older sister. We used to have paranormal
things happening in a couple of houses us too young to remember
not a big deal. The big house that I remember is
we I was in Independence, KS. I'm probably 77 or 8 latch T kid
Gen. X you know 3 o'clock.
You come home, unlock the door, go in, turn TV on, watch
cartoons. This house was built in 1912.
Beautiful Victorian house, 2 story wooden banister comes
down, landing in the middle, comes down to a mud landing
where you can take your shoes off.
Creepy Harry Potter doorway underneath.
I'm sitting there, I'm watching cartoons.
I hear my sister start coming down the stairs.
Now this is like 3:00 or 3:30 in the afternoon.
Bright daylight out. It's not dark or spooky.
Being the wonderful younger brother, I'm like, I'm going to
go stare. So I sneak underneath the
banister and I hear her coming down.
So I, I get really low so she can't see me.
So as I'm going, I hear her hit the mud landing.
Boom. I jump out and go ha, there is
nobody there. My brain is doing somersaults.
I run up the stairs, open open her bedroom door.
Her door was the first one. I'm like, did you just come down
the stairs? Like no, she wouldn't be able to
run down, run back up. She's like, no, that was me.
Get out. And I'm like it.
That was like, OK, there there's something more because it wasn't
just like creaking it. I heard somebody come down the
steps and it sounded like her hit the landing, jump out.
I may have scared my first ghost.
Maybe that's that's what happened.
I don't know. But it would happen all the
time. You'd be sitting there and you'd
hear somebody to come down or go up.
Of course they had those big oak doors with the dual panel.
It would open up in the middle of the night.
You hear the door latch open up about a foot, foot and a half,
like somebody was going to check in on you.
But you wouldn't see anybody underneath the door, no shadows.
And then it would close and latch.
Now, I mean, it was a firm, regular occurrence for a while.
I used to. I just want to confirm with you
boys, you're you're positive your older siblings weren't
fucking with you at this young age right before we decided they
were ghostly? Did you ever go wait a minute,
like years later? Say, was that you?
Who did that door thing? Yeah, my sister was terrified.
Yeah, no, my sister was there sitting on the couch a couple
different times after school, and we'd hear somebody come down
steps. We're the only ones home, and
you're just waiting for somebody to show up.
Yeah. So I mean it, it could have
been, you know, they're sitting right next to you and it's
happening. You're like, OK, that's not you.
So all right, so now you got you get together, this guy puts you
together for work. You start, you're sharing these
stories, you start doing now you guys host events, you go
investigating. You've been doing the podcast
thing longer than than China and I have what have you.
What has been sort of the most revealing thing you've learned
doing the podcast in in the paranormal space?
Like has anything changed or broadened your perspective?
JD, you go first this time. Yeah, my biggest saying was
orbs, 99% of orbs up until fairly recent dust insects can.
You would not be able to convince me.
Until you see. Until, until we had, we had this
we, we did the Sally House. It was the first time we did the
Sally House. And where is that till, till,
just to? Real quick.
OK, the Sally House is one of the most famous haunted
locations and at Axis in Kansas, it was originally shown in 1993
on a show called Sightings where they went in it was called the
Ghost on the Prairie story. They they actually didn't tell
where it was or the people over there.
It was Tony and Deb Pikman. They're in their 20s.
They had a a small child with them and they were having
poltergeist activity. He actually saw saw Sally, the
full body apparition of a small child.
He drew it. He was physically getting
scratched. They caught it on camera.
Him having the scratches form on his chest. 1993 when that
happened, that was actually like kind of a big thing for me
'cause I was like, oh, I'm not the only one crazy.
There's this isn't just happening to me.
They're having all sorts of stuff.
They had a bib get melted off the baby.
They had a flower get wilted. They had toys getting moved, a
toy caught on fire. I mean, they, they were getting
some really crazy activity in this house.
So that was 1993. Fast forward to what was it
20242020252025 We go do the house, we're having battery
drain left and right. I, I went through all my spare
batteries. We have rim pods just going
crazy, swapping rim pods out thinking it's malfunctions.
All this and, and we're getting activity in the main bedroom,
not the nursery, which most people get information, but we
get this. We just started getting orbs on
our IR camera and we had people go up.
We padded the bed, we padded the floor.
I mean, we, we tried everything to recreate the, the dust and
the other thing in the house. There's no air movement.
We actually went and bought fans it, it's not, it's climate
control. So the temperature's OK, but
there is no air movement unless we put a fan somewhere to get
air moving. So we're seeing orbs change
direction like they're getting ready to go in, see something
and comes out getting Weird Tales where it looks like a coin
flipping. At one point it looks like this
Blizzard tummy and up. I've been to the room seeing
that many. If it was dust, you'd been
choking on it. The amount of particles that
were in the air and we didn't see any of it with our naked
eye. It that that was I went from
999.9 to 95. I'm at least going to willingly
listen to somebody who says, hey, you're not going to believe
this. This is a orb.
I I've seen physical orbs with my, with my eyes, but that was
the first time I've ever been in a situation.
If I watched it now, I'd tell you, oh, that's just dust or
insects. But after being there having
that happen and all the other weird stuff we had, we had a
light show up on somebody physically move around on them.
That that's, that's changed me on my, my perceptions of orbs
showed up in a hotel room. I was doing the interview.
What about you? What about you, Larry?
So I think that the biggest thing with me that's changed
isn't necessarily paranormal. It's I've been doing this for a
long time, paranormal investigating.
My friend Jason actually started me in on on it.
He's he's the host of Paracon KC that he does every year here in
Kansas City. Before COVID hit, there was a a
dichotomy between paranormal groups where.
Everyone butted heads, like if you wanted to investigate a
location, well, no, they can't. That's my location.
Territorial, territorial, very, very aggressive.
COVID hit and kind of, we've talked about this before, kind
of just diminished all the negativity out of everything.
And now, especially in the paranormal podcast, in the
podcast community in general, people are coming together,
collaborating, sharing stories with one another, helping one
another out. And I think that's, that's the
coolest thing I have ever seen because before it was every man
for himself. And now people want to help each
other. And I I find that very
heartwarming. No, that's also, I mean, look,
we, we talk about this a lot, you know, and it's John himself
suffers from post traumatic paranormal disorder, where from
being a victim of that. And you know, it's like just the
idea of when he started out and doing what he does was so
different. The hate is immense.
And I think you're there is something to be said for the
fact that, you know, lately, as in the year we've been doing
this, and I said to him, let's, let's do this, let's get these
people on, let's get you out there more.
And it has been even to right, John, I mean, they're more
receptive to you. They want you there now.
They want like it's a very there's still a few guys out
there. Well, that and also, you know,
what I do now is being done by every by by a lot of people.
So there there's that too. But but there is, of course,
listen, there's always going to be contention and there's always
going to be people that are negative in this space, right?
We're never going to escape that.
But with this podcast, I'm starting to realize that there's
a lot of good hearted, like minded individuals, ladies and
gentlemen, everything in between that want to help each other
out, you know, and it's a, it is a beautiful thing.
We've gotten more advice from some of our fellow podcasters,
John from Myth Monsters and Mullets.
Matt Orton drunk, encrypted. Justin and Jay from.
Ashley from Ghost Gossip, you know, we, we, we have a small
community of podcasts that we've done stuff with unraveling the
darkness, cracking cans and it that's one of the nice things is
we're very pro podcasts. We, we're willing to share what,
what we've learned because each platform is different.
Everybody's unique. I mean, you can be telling
stories or you can be doing investigations.
No one's going to say like if we all went on investigation, we'd
have 4 separate stories of what exactly happened.
So there's, there's plenty of room for everybody to hop in the
space, especially when you're doing it because you enjoy what
you're doing. You know, you're not, you know,
everybody would eventually like to make money off of it, but the
idea behind this is you're doing it because you enjoy it.
Everything else comes next, right?
Well, that's the thing. Doesn't, doesn't everybody, For
some odd reason, there's a strange misconception that that
pizza pie is small. Yeah, yeah, there's a slice for
everybody. There's a couple slices for
everybody. You know, there's no shortage,
there's no there's no finite amount of views.
Yeah, there's no it. It's so.
Yeah, and even if so. Listen real quick before we get
back into the seriousness, gentlemen, your background is
awesome. I love the WWE belt.
Ghostbusters. Is that Fallout?
Is that Fallout New Vegas up there?
No, that's Beetlejuice. The Beetlejuice sign.
Oh, that's the Beetlejuice. OK, cool.
Awesome. I'm looking at everything you
got. You got Darth Vader.
You got Stormtroopers. This is my favorite Killer
Klowns from Outer Space. Oh, Killer Klowns from Outer
Space. Yep, Yep, I see.
You've got this. ADHD.
You got this. ADHD going It's functional.
Yeah, that's awesome. Export.
I love it, Chad. I love it.
Tell me. About the name, how'd you come
up with the name and how is the where did the nickname Parrot
Chum come from? So I'm not from a good place.
Well, so Larry, Larry guys that that you put them in a haunted
location and they just it's like chumming the water.
That's literally where parrot chum is chumming paranormal.
He, he makes things happen. He's either getting touched or
he's hearing like a lot of people give him a hard time
because he hears things all the time.
Like, did you see that 90% of the time we can go back and
there was something he heard it, it, it could be a car driving
by, but he heard it lights. So that's where the parachum
comes from. Chummo with the spirits came
about as we're talking about. Well, spirits is a dual thing.
You know, you drink, you relax a little bit, you start telling
stories, people get a little more open 'cause we, we've had
conversations with people like, hey, have you ever had a
paranormal experience? And they're like, well, no, not
really. And then we start telling the
stuff that we've had happened. They're go, well, you know,
there's this one time, you know, after a drink or two, you know,
'cause it something's traumatic and they, they need coaxing into
it to be feel like they're in a comfortable space.
So we kind of chum with the spirits duel.
We drink and try to get people to open up and talk about the
stories or locations. You know the nickname Para Chum
now makes total sense. You're a magnet.
You're like a magnet for it. So it also comes from I scare
easily and I'm very I don't like to be by myself in dark places.
So we put them in dark places. So our friend Rick, who I used
to be on a group with, got it in his mind that it would be
beneficial to try to scare me on an investigation to get that
fear energy out. And for some reason I never saw
it coming. Of the hundreds of thousands of
investigations we did, he always got me.
He started calling me para Chum and that's.
Yeah, it kind of stuck. Stuck, you know, you, you
mentioned something in that story, which is interesting
because we had a we, we have an interview coming up in a couple
months with a guest. She's a parapsychologist out of
the UK and she did a study about people who work in sort of the
death industry, morticians, Hospice people, things like
that. And they all start their stories
the same way that they, they, they don't, you know, no, they
don't believe in it. They don't believe in
paranormal. But this happened.
But this happened, but they don't.
But it's not paranormal, right? But it's like all these things
that she, she did this massive study on this, like she talked
to like, I don't know, like 1000 people or something.
So I find that funny, right? Like people don't like to
necessarily admit it, you know, but you get them talking and
it's they, they sort of are open to it, right?
I mean, it's a whole, it's a different vibe.
And ever since I started doing this, people are just like, now
everyone's asking me that, right?
You know, do you believe in ghosts?
Like, what do you think it is? And they want, they want to get
in on it. They want to say what they but
they're waiting for me to say. It's OK to say it, right?
They need somebody. Do you find that way for that a
lot? It's a safe environment if they
feel it's safe. Yeah, so part of me wonders if
it's it's either one or two in in my brain that they are scared
to admit it because they don't want to look weak.
Or. They're scared to admit it
because then they have to acknowledge that there's
something they don't understand in this world and that scares
them. What are your guys's opinions on
that? Well, you know, it's funny that
you bring that up. Last night.
I was at the El Conquin in New York City.
And you know, I'm live. I snuck out for a cigarette and
you know, I'm out there in this, you know, this older woman is,
is like, oh, what are you guys doing here?
And I'm like, oh, I'm documenting the spirits here.
And she goes, oh, I don't want to talk about that.
And I'm like, OK, no problem. I'm like, yeah, well, the ass,
that's what I'm doing. And then I'm like, are are you
scared? I was like, let me ask you a
question. Are you just scared in general?
And then she opens up. She tells me about the
experience that she had. And I kept ask every question I
asked. I said, I don't mean to get too
personal, but you know, wouldn't you this, that and the other?
And it was just, it was just like what we were just talking
about. Like she was, I don't want to
talk about that. But then she realized, oh, wait
a minute, this is a safe guy for me to actually tell my story to.
And that she just, it was like verbal diarrhea.
It all just came out. I couldn't get her stopped.
I was done with my cigarette. Like I got to get back up to the
live, but she's still going on about it so good.
And I think when people do open up like that, there's a big
sense of relief for them to get that stuff off their chest.
Gary, what? What do you think?
Oh, for me, yeah. I, I mean, absolutely.
I mean, I, I totally agree. I think there's that, You know,
we have a we we're doing an episode with coming up.
Our next episode is with an adult film star who started
following us on following the podcast.
And she tells us it's like, it has taken me years to talk about
this, you know, because of all things, she's embarrassed.
She was embarrassed to talk about this.
This is a this is a person who's an adult film star and very well
known. I mean, it's like, but she but
talking about ghosts was something that she was nervous
about how she would look, you know what I'm saying?
Like, that's like, to me, that's like, you know, you got to be
kidding. But she was very open and told
us. She told us about her
experiences and all these things, you know, that that have
happened. And when you find a safe space
to do it, people, I think you know, yeah, I absolutely think
that, you know, when you create that vibe of like, no, come and
talk to us. We'll we're open minded and
we're, we want to hear your, your take on it.
And there's no judgement. Once they know there's no
judgement. It's it, yeah, definitely people
open up about it, you know, for sure.
So it's it's wild. I got another question for you
guys because you guys have been doing this about a year, right?
Yeah, a little over, yeah. So more you talk about the
paranormal, have you noticed more activity around you?
Good. Question.
Well, that's got to be just for Gary.
Yeah, you have it all the time. You're literally going up.
He'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll might.
He might hear a squirrel, but it's not a squirrel and it's a
ghost. Right now, while we're in, he's
in that haunted basement of his. You never know what's going to
happen. The the light in the other room
is is acting up. I just changed the bulbs.
So now in my head I'm like, well this is going on.
I'm like, OK, if do I have a short in the in the fixture,
Yeah. Or is there something playing
with with the with the light? Yeah.
So I wouldn't say guys, I wouldn't say, to answer your
question, I wouldn't say that I, I experience paranormal activity
anymore or any less than I did before.
But I would say that I look at things a different way when I
hear stories, right. I, I would say now that I have
done this and I, the people I've met through this, when I hear a
story, I, I, I can, I can analyze that story a different
in, in 16 different ways, which I probably maybe had two ways
before, which is nonsense. Or, you know, like I, I would
say it, but now it's more OK, this could be here's what these
here's all the different things that could be to 'cause that you
know for sure. Yeah, I say that all the time.
Like the the podcast Splintered Spirit.
Sure, we're trying to ask the question and get everyone's
intake on, you know, what spirits could be.
But the other side of it is almost watching Kathy's journey
as he went from complete skeptic to this like mind opening.
Like wait a minute, there is something happening here.
I don't know what it is. Well, yeah.
Well, look, I know everyone. I got labeled.
It's it's blue bodies. We had we had the I was in the
blue Bodies live the other night and she brought it up.
She's like, I love Gary, you know, and I watched the bull
champion. I'm fucking.
First of all, first of all, I'm dope.
So that's again, I'm fucking dope.
So that's number one. Number two, it's like I get
labeled as a skeptical like I and and that's fair, but there's
two things I've noticed, right? I don't think they're a skeptic
anymore. So, but there's two.
I appreciate it, but there's two things that I noticed.
It's this, right? One, if a child were to ask you
what you're doing, like how do you doing this?
You're going to explain it to them, right?
You're going to explain what, what, how you're build putting
this thing together and you're fine.
If an adult asks you how why are you doing it like this, you
immediately your guard goes up like you, you know, it's like,
you know what? This is how I do it.
Like I right. There's like people get judgy,
like they think I'm going to like I'm trying to dunk on them.
So when I started this, I got into this because, yeah, John
does this. He's successful at it.
And I was like, what is going on, right.
And it was really about and look, I'm in the TV business, so
it's like it can we make a format out of this?
What does he do? Can I, can we make a show
together? What's going on here?
And I would say I was less of a skeptic, but by asking all these
questions, people naturally assumed like I'm skeptical,
whereas I, I when I tell people about splittered spirits, it's
more it's not, you know, believer skeptic, it's
experienced novice, right? Like that's the thing that and I
know it's nuanced, but that's sort of a, that's, that's the
truth. It's just like, I don't know
what's happening. I want to find out and by asking
a ton of questions, you know, it's like like with chip coffee,
right? Chip coffee was like, I feel
like he thought I was trying to dunk on him the entire time when
I was literally just trying to ask like what's going on, you
know? And then he, you know, he was
like, he got real. He got a little upset, but I
also think he got a little upset because I was, I was poking at
his religion a little bit, but it was really I, you know, I
just disagree with his, what he thinks is his religion is I
think he's wrong, right? You know, but that's what's my
thought. You know, I just think he, he's
just wrong. Listen, man, all, all Catholics
are Christians, but all Christians ain't Catholic, so
don't say they're the same. It's just the way it is.
That's just the way it is. But that's the, you know, the
guy was great. So I'm not knocking on him, but
I think that's there was a little bit he started to try to
get at me on that. Great guest, he was a great.
Guest You guys did a great that was a great episode you guys did
with him. I I appreciate that.
I appreciate that I love your your guys.
You know what I love about you is everything like it really is.
You have a real great knack of that, of letting people in
right. And I and you know you, you
talked about ghost gossip and Ashley, we had her on.
It's the same thing. I love watching you guys for how
for how well you just have a conversation with people.
Like for me, if I don't have a list of questions to ask you,
I'm going to be sitting here like, I don't know what to do to
say to these guys. Like you guys have a natural
sort of, and John has is better at that than I am too.
But like that natural ability of like, let's just sit and talk
and do that, which I think is great for a podcast, Right?
Yeah. Speaking of that, Speaking of
that, gentlemen, if there was one episode of your podcast that
you're like, hey, you have to listen to, like what episode
would that be? I would.
Can I go right ahead? I'm just like, I'm going to do
this. I would have to say either the
Kraken cans and the Flatwoods Monster episode where we talk
about the Flatwoods Monster with Kraken cans or the Bloody
Benders episode. Those that sound awesome.
See by the way. Now see like.
Here's the thing, everything you just said sounded like words
that don't make sense together. To me, that sounded awesome.
Like I have no idea what any of those words mean.
Let's. Talk about the the the flat
monster. OK, right, right.
So what do you say was the what do you say was the flat with
crackling cans and flat like this like it just said words?
So the guest was the the, the crack, the the cracklin.
And he talked about the flat, the flats monster.
Let's start there. Tell us briefly because I want
people to go and watch it. Fuck is a flats?
Monster. So yeah, I want to hear about
it. You don't know what the black
see the Flatwood monster is. Not a not a clue, no idea.
To be fair, so we're that's the Cryptid.
It's a a Cryptid that could have been an alien.
That happened like the Chupacabra, kind of.
So we we so we cover paranormal cryptids, UFOs and then general
old style horror stuff. That's where the bloody benders
they're they were one of the earliest serial killing families
in America in America. That was in southeast Kansas,
called Cherryville. Back, who was at house on the
prairies, even had written stories about trying to go find
them when they were killing people.
Yeah, they were never found. They escaped, so they don't.
Even know if they were really a family, it was a parents and and
two siblings, a a a guy and a girl being with that.
That's probably one of our bigger ones.
The flatwood monsters with cracking cans we yeah the Bell
witch is the one I would say but that are Headless Horseman.
I've heard of the Bell Witch. We know the hellless Horseman.
That's our neck of the witch. Dude, I we'll get into the
Headless Horseman in a bit because I got, I got yeah, yeah,
yeah, the headless. Horseman one was one of my
favorites because the the research I end up doing on it.
There's multiple spirits in that story and what all goes together
because we we covered all the different varieties of Headless
Horseman's that are around the world.
I really enjoyed. Blahads.
Yeah, yes. So I really enjoyed that it's
not as popular as the as like the bell witch is one of our
more popular so is the Mandela Effect one we did.
But like when you do audio only our Salem witch trial episode is
our biggest downloaded episodes. I don't know what the you, you
guys may be trying to figure it out too.
We'll spend hours in research and we'll do an episode and you
get like 20 to 30 views and then we'll throw one together because
we needed time, we needed to throw something out and it's 1.2
perfect. Like people just so we don't
interview well. But I mean, you guys, you do it
great. You got the, you got the list.
You know what you're doing. We look like bumbling idiots
when they do it, but we can talk.
So what we found out was like when we tried to do interviews
with people, they just, our audience didn't like it.
But if we sit down and talk about a topic, kind of like what
we're doing here, they love it. They, they, they like the
conversation. I think it's because they feel
like they, they can add something to it.
They, they can hop in and be a part of it.
You know, if we were all having a beer at a a bar, they may even
slide up and start going well, you know, this one time I had
this weird thing happen, you know?
So have you ever heard of this the story Sweeney Todd?
We would Johnny Depp look into the bloody benders.
Supposedly that's how they killed people.
They would, they had a little store on the the last trail
before the wilderness and it was separated by a curtain and they
would have people eat dinner there, hit them on the head with
a hammer from behind the curtain and then pull a cut their
throats, pull a lever and then a trap door would under open and
they'd slide down into the basement where they'd be robbed
and cut up and buried and they're orchard.
They don't know how many people they actually killed.
They have estimates. They're actually doing
excavations now, trying to find the original site to see if they
can find more bodies. Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah. So we try to keep, like, on
stuff like that. We try to keep to the older mass
murderers, you know, 1800s, early 1900s.
We don't want to do anything modern because we don't want.
To incriminate anybody. Yeah, we're, yeah.
We're not going to solve it. We're not that smart.
You never know. Never know, maybe one of our
audience members might think. Talk to me about cryptids
because I, I have to meet and talk to some Cryptid experts
because I got to, I, I've said this to John, I am more apt, you
know, the paranormal and spirits and consciousness and energy is
something. I do think something's happening
for sure, but I have a very hard time believing in Bigfoot.
Encrypted. It's big things.
Big feats.
How did you guys get into that world too?
How did you add that in? And.
I think it just goes hand in hand at the paranormal.
So a lot of Bigfoot sightings you end up with orbs in the old
days, orbs, Willow, the wisps, spirits and the forest that
would, you know, lure you off to your doom and demise.
A lot of them are sighted in the same location as Bigfoot
encrypted animals. We don't know if it's same same
with UFO sightings. It may be just the area tracks
it like there's some hum Ley line or or something.
But when we're talking about podcasts, a lot of them overlap
myths, monsters and mullets does he's had his own paranormal
experiences encrypted Matt Orton with drunk encrypted.
He's had his own hat man and other paranormal activities that
he's seen, plus Bigfoot, encrypted paranormal out of
Cleveland. He's a six foot eight guy that
might as well be encrypted. Brian Goddard.
He's actually been probably the most influential on talking
about cryptids. Did you just say he might be
encrypted? Is that what you said?
Encrypted. Yeah.
So I'm not a small guy. I'm 6 foot 2260.
He makes me look like a toddler standing next to him.
I'm like, you got to be. I mean, like, I mean, he's 16.
Well, he is his experience. You got to have him on.
He he saw a creature that was 2 foot taller than him, says it
stood up and just kept on going. And he's 68.
He goes and he's in Pennsylvania.
There's nothing in the woods that's bigger than that.
So I'm 65, probably 44450I look like Kevin Hart.
Next to Shaquille and he's a massively nice guy.
Yeah, world of information. Like he, he, we had
conversations about dog men 'cause I'm like, ah, it's dog
men. You know, it's probably Reddit
and all that. And he's like, well, you know,
Anubis was a, a hybrid dog headed man and that's 2000 plus
years ago. And he starts going through all
this stuff, but he, he's had paranormal like experiences as
well. He's seen full body apparitions.
So it kind of like it really crosses over more than you
realize. So like that's your probably
your next season 2, you might dip into what and we can get
your contacts to a bunch of podcasts that I'd love to talk
to you guys about it because everybody's open.
Yeah, I would love it. What?
What was I going to ask you guys, too?
It was shit. Oh, well, I got to ask you what
I asked everybody here with all of your investigations and all
the people now that you've met doing this and the different
points of view that you've experienced, what do you think
spirits are? So Larry, let's start with you.
What do you think spirits are? That is a good question and I
may have a convoluted answer, so I hope I don't.
I'll take it. Scare someone so I look at
spirits as unknown. So when you look at the human
physical presence, our brains are the most complex computer AI
intelligence ever devised, ever created.
We are taught by our brains to recognize things by facial
recognition. So from the second you're born,
your brain, that computer is building a reference Bank of
things it sees and experiences so that later on it can cross
reference those experiences to make sense of something that's
happening to you. So if you were to take all four
of us and put us in the most haunted room in the world, we
all experience the same thing, but we don't.
I may walk into the room and see what people are experiencing.
Claiming to experience a woman in white figure, John may enter
the room and see a ghost dog. This is what I've said before
too. Gary, you may walk in a ghost
child, JD may walk in and not see anything, just hear
movement, perception. It's all based on perception in
that cognitive bank in your head.
So at this juncture in time, I believe that there is stuff out
there that we can't explain, but there's not good enough data to
present to the world what it might mean.
I do believe that there are things like mediums and spirits.
I'm not letting you off the hook.
What do you think it is? I understand that.
You know we don't know. Like to tell me no one knows
what spirits are yet. No shit.
So what do you think though when you're going out?
What do you think you're dealing with?
That was probably one of the best.
It was a brilliant. Razor.
I love the explanation for it, but he he, he led me down a path
without trying to cheat me out of it.
I'm not letting him off the hook with it.
I know it's a theory. We all know it's a theory.
No one's going to hold you over the fire for.
It you know I had to go 2 minutes ago but this is too good
so. I think it's all so.
I do think there are spirits. I think people can linger.
I I don't know if you can say every instance of paranormal
activity of it that you experience is necessarily going
to be a spirit, but I do I do believe there are souls that
haven't been able to pass on. And you say soul and is it soul
like in a religious sense or soul in a you know is are you
coming at it from a religious place?
How would you define soul energy?
OK. I would define it as the inner
essence the the metaphysical existence of the physical.
So I'm not saying this very well.
So not not spiritual as as much. Because like our brain way
activity. Because I think a dog could have
a soul that may not be able to pass over because.
They do. These dogs are separated.
From their human or something. So all dogs go to heaven, Yeah.
That's right. So more more of an energy not.
OK, what about you, JD? When?
We talk about air. It's, we try to lump.
I, I think people try to lump them all in one box.
It's not one box. There's, there's a spectrum
because you, you, you have poltergeist activity which could
be manifested from humans. You, you have residual
hauntings, which are I think more of a stone recording tape,
like the wood, wood grains, stone, whatever.
It's just replaying when you hit the right humidity.
Then we're getting into entities and you have I think souls,
whether you want religious or scientific, the essence of us,
our brain waves, the intelligence that linger.
You have non human entities which you can call those demons,
fae, aliens, spirit guardians. Yeah, aliens technically would
be non human. And then you have you have
angelic and heavenly spirits, which are could be people that
have passed on and crossed over and are coming back to check on
family members that leave hence or guide people.
So I've seen a whole lot of it. I've had conversations.
So I'm not a very religious person on the fact that I don't
have a whole lot of faith anymore meeting.
I have seen so much. I don't have to believe.
I have seen. We have talked to people that
have seen angels. We have talked to people that
have seen or encountered demons. I've talked to intelligent, had
intelligent responses coming back from something that it
that's in the room. I've been visited by past family
members in dreams. My sister's seen a whole bunch
of stuff as well. So at this point in time, I
don't know the rules of it. I just know there's something
else beyond this I don't know. Well, I mean, we yeah, I just
work here. I I I get a paycheck.
They tell me it's coming from somewhere.
There's something after this. How it all works, I don't know.
We actually, one of the weirdest ones I ever had was with Larry.
We're in a the repository rectory.
Rectory where priests used to stay and we're getting activity
on this rim pod and we're asking, well, should should
Larry pray tonight and he goes all the way to red?
We're like, really? And then and then Larry being,
you know, well, you know, Are you sure?
You really what did? What did you say?
I said, are you really sure that you're talking to me?
I should believe. And it goes really so.
Larry should pray tonight. It was the first time because
usually when when in my experience, when you start
talking about religion in an investigation usually just shuts
down. You don't get, I mean, like
they're not allowed to talk. This guy was saying, yeah, you
should, you should pray. I don't know if it was a threat
or or what, but. Well, the night didn't turn out
too well. Yeah, he got woke up in the
middle of the night, took a weird.
Photo so they we had two locations that we were allowed
to choose from to stay at that night, both on the course cheap
one thinking that everybody else would choose the cheap one,
right. It was that rectory.
I was the one who chose that. So after the investigation at
like 5:00 in the morning and I had to go back there by myself,
walk through the whole place with the lights out to get to my
room and all hell broke loose. It was not a good night you get.
Random pictures in the middle of the night of him just like.
Yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and took a picture of
myself that like looked like I just cramped my pants.
I don't. Let's by the way, let's just
remember he said he was 65, 2440 and you're telling me you're
running around and how like a place scared?
You got to be careful, dude. You're going to like you're
going to run through the God damn wall like the kool-aid man
and kill all your friends. Like are you crazy?
You can't be doing that. You can't be you're not allowed
to be scared. We look to you to protect the
rest of us. Dude.
Can't be scared. No, he's gone and in.
I can move. Faster.
He moves way faster than what you realized.
We he'd we're at the Sally house for a second investigation.
He plays, he knocks on the the basement door because it it was
locked. You're not allowed to go in.
They now have it open, but he knocks on it and we're all
talking because he's like, oh, that was funny.
That door rattled. He was gone like Usain Bolt 400
and. Now just.
Gone in an instant. We're like, holy cow.
Like, yeah, you don't want to be in front of them.
You do not. Want to be?
You're going to get pancaked in a heartbeat.
That's hysterical. I get it.
Guys, let me ask you this because, you know, you've been
with us for an hour. I appreciate your time.
Yeah, thank you. I really do.
I want to know what what's the what do you want?
You know, I know you said you're doing it for fun and all this,
but what do you really like? What's the future?
What what have you? What do you want to accomplish
together? What are some things you want to
do with chumming with the spirits next?
You know, like I, I can just, you know, I can say for John and
I, we're certainly we're trying to hit more paracons this year.
I want to do more crossovers with podcasts.
I have like these little plans We want to get out there.
We've done we've done a couple of like experiments.
You know, we did like a group S this method and we want to do
that again, but even bigger. We've we've been hitting some
locations from from a different angle, using different things.
Well, what is it for you guys? What?
What is it for chumming with the spirits that we should keep our
eye out for in the future and. Before we answer that, I have an
experiment. You should try that.
I don't think anybody else has ever tried a reverse estus
experiment. What's that?
What is it? What do you mean the?
Person wearing the headphones and the blind is no one asking
the questions. Interesting, interesting.
Maybe it'll give. You some answers I don't know,
but you want to answer. What we're hoping for is to
broaden the the paranormal, encrypted and UFO environment to
make it more comfortable for people to talk.
We, we're going to do tons more cap collaborations.
We do events. We, we actually are hosting an
investigation at Sally House June 26th.
Tickets already sold out through the city of Atchison.
We do other events with other investigators, chairman and
coloring. We have coloring books.
Get people together. Yeah, I love that.
Check out our website. Cwtspodcast.com I and I'm, I'll
be honest, I made a little spoof like like everybody's so dark
and gloomy in the paranormal. I put a Facebook page together
called Date Daylight Savings Paranormal Investigations,
investigate during the daytime and be able to take a nap before
and after. We actually have a bunch of our
locations that are now doing big time investigations from like
what is it from 11:00 to 2:00? It's like 5 people for 100
bucks. It's a lot more effect, you
know, a lot more cost effective. But the reality is we have stuff
happen while we're setting up during the middle of the day.
Most people don't, Most people think it's got to be dark and
gloomy. We're we're going to try to get.
Some understand why isn't that crazy like I've had I used to do
daytime documentation. I'd go walk a cemetery during
the day, but you still live during the day.
Well, when I do that, when I do the headstones short, but like I
used to go places during the day all the time.
People used to come at me and say when the sunlight is out, no
spirits are active and I'm like 24/7, man 3 AM, 3:00 PM.
You think it matters? You know, like.
Some of the best evidence I've ever caught was during the day.
Yeah, just filming. Getting.
Beatable footage and, you know, inadvertently catch something
moving in a shadow or shadow or something pops up wild stuff.
The the goal is to make it a little more friendly.
It's not doing you can enjoy what 1.
You know, there's a little bit of entertainment, but we're we
tried to be nice and and inviting and we want to do
stuff. We love meeting people.
We love hearing the stories doing stuff like this cross
pollinating podcast and and like, if you let us know where
you guys are going to be at, if, if we're in the area, we'll,
we'll do our best to try to meet up, you know, have dinner, lunch
or catch you in a paracon because that's like you said,
it's a big enough pie, enough slices for everybody.
Not everybody well, but everybody likes pizza in
general. So.
You guys are incredibly kind. I love talking to you and I love
watching and watching your your videos and and and seeing the
camaraderie that you create. I want to open up the floor to
since we are live to some folks in the chat a little bit and
see, I know there's somebody. Unfortunately, listen, I have to
run, I have to travel a little bit to get some work.
Guys, thank you so much. You guys are awesome.
We try to keep the show to an hour, but sometimes when we go
over he's got to jump because he has to get ready for his lives.
He goes live every night, but plus now that he's gone, fuck
that guy. No, he's he's huge on TikTok and
Instagram. No, we follow him over there
like this. He's the one that really started
that whole. A a crazy stat for him was he's
primarily TikTok, right? It's where he got his real
following going. But he started focusing on
Instagram. I don't know, a couple months
back he had 2000 people on there.
But he's like, I got to get this bigger because I don't know what
the future of Tik Tok's going to hold guys.
He went from, he started posting his videos on there and really
doing it. He went from 2000 followers to
200,000 followers in 36 hours. It was insane.
But you know, he's got something
like he's got that gift of gab, like you guys have that gift of
gab. He's out there.
He's a live influencer every
night, you know, doing his thing.
Guys, I want to open the floor up to to some questions.
Linda, I saw you. There's someone named Linda here
who was wondering, I guess about let me try to find.
OK. She said she's asking, aren't
you scared you'll come across angry ones?
I'm assuming she's, oh, she's talking about angry spirits like
getting latched on to you. Have you guys ever dealt with
any kind of thing, anything like that, like getting spirits like
or or and how do you protect yourselves, I guess from what
you believe to be like sort of a dark force or dark energy or
dark spirit? So for me that that's been
pretty rare to come across that I'm I'm not saying they're not
out there. I've had something that was dark
that told me to get out and it I was already moving when it said
get out. It I no flight, no fight or
flight. It was just flight.
They told me to leave when I go in the haunted location.
I was in my 20s in the military. You know, I would have fought a
tiger and that thing when it's it in my head told me get out
and I I was I was already walking out the door before I
realized I was even walking out the door.
I mean whatever it was was like my body said Nope, my bad and I
was gone. That was the only time and that
that felt non human. That was the only time I've come
across something that was just did not feel normal.
Like we're all we're all humans. And if we're dealing with human
spirits, there are some evil humans, there are some angry
humans. Sometimes you can make things
mad. I haven't had any attachments
come home with me. Neither have I No, they're just
already here. So I think some of it have to be
with your, your faith, you know, if you, if you're believing and,
and, and I don't say I don't do prayers as much anymore, but I,
I have a strong belief I'm taken care of.
You know, I believe in certain things And, and that's, that's
my belief. You know, I know other people's
we've had we've, we've done some locations that other people had
issues like they had nightmares for weeks.
I've, I've, I've heard, I've interviewed some people too that
feel that way, like they've had attachments or something, right?
I I think the people that have generally are more like mediums
that they, they have more of a attunement that they kind of
stick out more if, if that makes any sense, makes them more of a
magnet. Dude 100% I I've said this 1000
times and our regular listeners have heard me say this right I I
think the intuitive nature of things is.
Like a muscle, like when you talk about sports, right, you
can't teach somebody to throw a fastball at 98 mph.
And I think we all have it an intuition, the, the flight or
fight or, you know, you get a weird vibe off somebody.
But I think some people, much like an athlete with their
ability might be wired up at a little bit higher up so that
that's a different connection. I, I think that's, I think
that's totally possible. I say this to John, right?
I think John is wired up higher than most.
I think the reactions he gets and the and the the from whether
it's a spirit box or an app or whatever he's using, it's so
strange to me what he gets. And I think it's because he's on
a different he's, he's just wired up different.
I've talked to a few people and they think they're actually kind
of low. Like the the more in tuned we we
put off light, basically we we literally the more you're into
it. Like they the other side sees
us. It just whether or not you're
glowing or you just dull or. So I can start calling myself
sure enough. Sure enough, yes.
Or or or you just tell people you're pregnant.
Yeah, I will admit I, I do say, you know, I do.
I am polite, you know, I do introduce myself when I'm at a
location and when I leave, I, I do say thank you and, you know,
please stay here and then walk out.
You know, I don't know if that's.
Yeah, just stay here or follow Larry.
Are you guys married with kids or anything?
Not to each other. I mean, maybe you are, but no,
I'm not kidding. Are you guys he's.
Not my yes, I I'm married, I have a lot of kids.
No, my youngest is graduating high school this year, so
that's. I'm not you're not.
So no kids. So JD, how does your what does
your wife feel about your paranormal world that you're in?
So she actually was there when we did our investigation.
So she knows Larry and yeah, so she was there, we did the did
the investigation. She she finds it interesting.
She's done a couple investigations with her friends.
I just, I just give her all my equipment and they get to go and
have fun, you know? So she's all in.
She's, she's, she's behind it. Oh.
Yeah, she's had enough experiences knowing me that, OK,
she's open. I like.
Yeah. I like to, I like to ask her
because now I'm new to this space.
So now I'm dealing with a spouse and it's like, no, no, I got to
go. I'm, I'm interviewing a witch
tomorrow, you know, and it's like, all right, what you know,
it's and, and what's really great about that is like my, you
know, my wife's like in her Stevie Nicks witch phase.
So she kind of loves that part of it.
You know, I think all women eventually go through it.
So my, my girlfriend was extraordinarily skeptical.
My my girlfriend was extremely skeptical of this stuff.
And then we took her on an investigation and she was like,
this is cool. I'm hooked.
Yeah, we, we literally had footsteps up the steps, like
clear as day. Somebody was coming up.
I turn and looked, there's nobody coming up.
She actually had a camera, checked the other set of stairs.
It was all fun games. So to get in touch though, yeah.
Yeah, she got touched in the basement of a Mortuary, and she
was, her eyes lit up like. During a live.
Where'd they touch her dude? On.
On the yeah. All right, So it wasn't it
totally inappropriate. No, no.
Well, some of them get a little handsy.
You you never know depending on where you're at.
Someone's asking. Well, let's see, Heather's
asking, but I think you may have answered this.
But how many like Cryptid excursions have you gone on?
I know you've done paranormal haunted house investigations,
but have you? Have you ever gone Bigfoot
hunting or chupacabra hunting or have you ever done that?
So we've done 2 official Cryptid investigations with drunk
encrypted. The first one we actually had
more paranormal, I would say activity and and there's a owl
involved in that one somewhere. We had to find the audio file it
it literally sounded like to me, maybe it heard a now on a old
record player trying to imitate a now.
Anyways, that one we had some eye shine and some stuff happen.
This last one we just did. So would you consider Sky
watching Cryptid investigation? No, no, that's UFO.
The other one we just did again with drunk encrypted in northern
Arkansas. Weird.
So we went to two private locations.
I had structures the first night and we we got it was the first
time I ever heard the whoops like they literally look like on
the on the Bigfoot shows. I was like, holy cow, that's
that sounds just like unless there's howler monkeys out in
Arkansas. I'm not saying there couldn't
be, but we we had that. We had some eye shine.
I got a video some eye shine that I use my equipment from
ghost hunting my IR stuff. And when you're in a house and
you have your night vision up, it's a little 2/2 and 1/2 inch
screen. You have a reference of how far
away door is because you can walk through it.
I did not realize that doesn't work in the in the outdoors.
So I'm seeing this creature that's got two eyes facing
towards me. I'm lit up with a a a light.
It's moving around about four foot high.
It moves and it's kind of hiding behind this branch and then it
finally disappears. I heard it in the I heard it
ruffle. That's why I turned and saw it.
I'm tracking it. It disappears.
So I get up to walk over to it and I don't hear it lead, but
the eye shines gone. I don't see it anywhere.
I kicked my headlamp on. I'm thinking I'm 20 foot away.
I'm like 10. I was like, oh, that was a lot
closer because I'm looking through this little tiny screen
thinking it's way out there. So we have film footage of that.
We go back to the campsite, which it's a regular campsite.
You pay 30 bucks for a weekend camp by the river.
The first night I got, I woke up at Hughes restroom, lay back
down and then we started getting whoops at the campsite in the
middle of the night. I heard chattering like they,
they, some of the audio would just sound like two things we're
talking. Had the whoops, We talked.
There's about 40 of us camping in this location because it was
a Bigfoot convention. Asked everybody.
Everybody was like, yeah, that woke us up.
It was loud enough to wake people up.
People were hearing things moving around the campsite.
What part of what part of Arkansas is this?
People are asking what part of Arkansas is this in?
North Central Arkansas, It's in kind of in between Little Rock
and Fayetteville. It was, it was.
Oh gosh, I'd have to look it up on a map again.
It's about an hour and a half north of of Little Rock, but not
like almost in between. There's a there's a the the
river. What do you bring with you to
kill it? Nothing.
If you were to go bear hunt, you'd have like pepper spray and
you'd have a gun. You're telling me you go out
like you go hug big feet and you're just sort of like, I
guess if I run into one, you're not you don't have like a silver
bullet or a like, what do you have to stop it?
We have flashlights. No, I, I, there were, there was
we would have been able to stop a small army if if something was
shown up. Majority of us are, are armed
when we're out in the wood looking because there are black
bears, there are mountain lions, there are Bobcats, there are
coyotes. There are things that that we
know exist is going to give you, you know, can either kill you or
maim you. So you, you do have stuff like
that. You're not, you're not planning
on shooting because like a lot of people don't realize like,
OK, you shoot the Bigfoot. What do you do about the three
others you didn't see? Well, it also begs the question,
what if it wasn't a Bigfoot? Now you just committed murder.
Yeah, boys, This is why I can never have a gun.
And people, you know, it's like I can't.
I can never be a police officer. I have a lot of respect for the
job. I can't do it.
I don't have the mentality for it because if you give me a gun,
I'm shooting you with it and straight up you put me.
No, you make, if you make me afraid, if you make me afraid in
any possible way and I have a weapon on me, you're getting
shot. And it's like, that's why I can
never be. I don't have the, the, the
mindset to be A, to be a cop. And it's like if I'm hunting
Bigfoot and some big giant thing, you know, comes running
out at me, listen, I've just killed the first sighting of
Bigfoot the world's ever seen and I'm going to be that guy.
It's like, so never going to kill the Bigfoot.
Oh. There's, there's, there's also
the story of OK, why? Why isn't there that many
recordings of aggressive Bigfoot?
Well, it's because if they're actually that aggressive, you
probably don't get a story after that, no.
Right, right. You know, so there's something
about but it's it's no different than going into haunted
location. You you know, there's something
there. You think there's something
there. Like that's the first time I've
ever heard the whoops. I've camped out in a long, you
know, all over Kansas. I've never heard anything like
it. We had a whale.
Screams. Yeah, we had a second.
I were terrified. Yeah, and it well, at some point
we'll see if we can get you some files.
We're putting them up on our website, whichiscwtspodcast.com.
We have an evidence tab that that's where we have most of our
evidence for like the ball bouncing out of the closet and
thermal off of the Garnet house. We have Sally House footage, we
have Ellenwood. We're going to have the eyes
shine because eyes shine is pretty.
It was pretty weird because if if four facing eyes at 4 foot
tall, that's one really big coyote or a really big Panther.
Well, the most interesting thing about that is I put it, I put it
through some software and I inverted the photography to like
the negative version. Of the image and you don't see a
body. There's no body associated with
the eyes. The thighs are glowing and that
was the problem I was running into is I'd hit it with the IR
spotlight makes the eyes shine more, but I couldn't, I couldn't
see an outline of whatever the eyes were.
And they're moving around. But we'll get you some copies of
that. Gentlemen, I tell you this is
like, first of all, it's I'm not in, I'm not what you would call
an outdoorsman. So it's like there's nothing
that sounds fun about any of that.
And it's it's just sounds even scarier and more horrible.
Like I, I was at the Shanley Hotel the other night.
I heard the blinds make a noise and I got wigged out.
Like, I'm not going to be in the middle of the fucking woods and
hear, you know, something wrestling could potentially like
eat me and not like, guys, I'm getting back in the car.
I'm out of here. It's like, you know?
I'm not fair. That's a fair statement.
Have you done any haunted locations yet?
Have you? Dude, I was at the Shanley Hotel
yesterday. Last night for.
Three hours. That's a beautiful location.
It's a wild location. So we went.
We did a little like I have this spirit box, an SB-7 that I've
sort of jiggered with some guitar pedals.
I call it Ghost Fire, which is like my sort of sound box.
And we did that for about an hour and then I just hung out
with John's live. I heard this noise and I said I
got to go and then I'm out. And then that was like the
weird, the weird thing, you know, I was like, I'm done.
I'm talking about. You hear a pair of naked.
Yeah, dude, 100%. I'm with you 100%.
Once you hear it and it's like, OK, how much?
How do I need to hear more? Why do I got to hear more?
Like what? What am I going to get?
It's like got it time. Like it's like, let's go.
All right, like, you know, let's just go.
I get it. And by the way, I am here to
learn from you. I'm the I'm it's like if I were
a cop, I'd be like, listen, you're on desk, you know, you're
on desk duty, but you know, son officer, you're being suspended
and knocked down to the desk. I'll be like, sounds great.
I don't want to be in the field. I'll be the desk guy.
I'll do the reports. I'll type it up.
I'll there'd. Be somebody recording.
Yeah, that's it. I'm the desk guy.
I want to interview. I want to do like this.
I don't need to be like in the thing, you know what I mean?
But I would, I would go out every now and then, get in and
do it. I I am more interested in it,
but I'm not staying like, because it's, here's the other
thing too, man. And I said, I've said this
before. It's never The Four Seasons
that's haunted. It's this fucking insane asylum
or it's this old like rundown thing where you can get tetanus.
It's like, you know, why can't it be, you know, like this beach
resort, the haunted beach cocktail bar, like I'm in.
Well, I can do that. Actually, it's never.
California Hotel Coronado Hotel Coronado in San Diego is pretty
supposedly pretty hot. You know, like that's, I could
probably check that one out and see, but that's what I'm talking
about, right? These places are rare.
It's usually this, it's this old jail, or it's this, it's this
abandoned schoolhouse. But we prefer to have AC and
heating, you know that. Yeah, the Queen Mary they you
can spend the night. They that's supposedly a really
neat location. Oh yeah, that is, that is a cool
one. That's about an hour from me in
LA. It's about, it's in Long Beach.
It's not bad. That is a good one.
I can go down there, but it's like I'm not going to go by
myself. You got to be nuts.
That's not that's not happening. It's not happening.
We'll. Just have to fly out there.
Oh, it would be great dude. I'll go with you guys any day of
the week. I'm sending you in first.
You guys can protect me and be the wall in front of me.
It's like go. Listen guys, I got to tell you,
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the number one link is for you. Number one link is is going to
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We also have our own website, which is cwtspodcast.com.
And then go from there. If you look up just chummy with
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Thank you very much. Having you guys come on to our
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We'll get something figured out to make sure everybody can link
to what they need to. Let's just figure out a date,
man. Fellas, be safe out there, don't
stand in Larry's way when he's running scared, and have fun.
I love it. I'll be looking forward to 01
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What's next? What's the next episode for you?
When, when is it coming out and what's your next drop?
Tomorrow, actually, we're we did an interview with the owner of
the Slinker Mortuary from Iowa, Kansas.
Her name is Tori Westhoff and she talks about how she got into
owning a. A paranormal.
Paranormal location, so that'll be dropping right there tomorrow
or when I re dropped this episode on Friday, April 3rd
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Have a wonderful night and I will talk to you soon.
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