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You got to be careful, dude. 
You're going to like, you're 

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going to run through the goddamn
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kill all your friends. 
Like, are you crazy? 

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You can't be doing that. 
You can't be. 

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You're not allowed to be scared.
We look to you to protect 

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Boy, what's up man? 
Welcome splintered spirits live.

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Yeah, splintered spirits live, 
dude. 

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What did you think of the 
Shanley? 

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Dude, the Shanley, we had a lot 
of fun in the chalet and I'm 

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putting together what we did. 
So we did a whole ghost fire, 

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ghost fire session, which has 
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And then I don't know if you 
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saw it live, I guess, but that 
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confusing. 
And that was like I. 

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Didn't make any clips yet but I 
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I didn't get. 
I didn't get to go for the. 

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Live for the people who didn't 
watch the live We were in that 

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Anna's bordello bedroom and it 
there was like it sounded like 

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someone was hitting the blinds 
on the window to me and then we 

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looked and there's plastic 
behind it, but it doesn't look 

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like the window's broken to 
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to create that loud of a noise. 
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I couldn't figure it out, man. 
I just. 

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Couldn't it wasn't it wasn't 
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I mean, it did natural wind and 
gusts and whatnot, but you would

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hear it if if wind was blowing 
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old window, right? 
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hitting that plastic and then 
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sound. 
What? 

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We were hearing was different. 
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Oh wow. 
We got a lot of people in right 

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away today guys. 
Welcome to splintered spirits 

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live on Thursday live. 
I'm Gary, your host, my Co host 

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and Co partner and Co family, my
nephew John Sander from Santa 

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Paranormal. 
And we try to answer the 

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question what our spirits. 
And we're going to dive right in

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and I see, let me just say 
hello, of course, to our number 

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one in Robin. 
Robin made it #1 today she was 

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slacking for a while. 
Robin, you were slacking, but 

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you made it today. 
She's #1 she's back. 

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And hello everyone, thank you 
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If you're checking us out on 
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It's free, it's free and as 
always, we're going to drop this

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tomorrow. 
But guys, I don't want to waste 

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a lot of time. 
We've got a guests and they're 

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sitting in the lobby patiently. 
You've seen these guys, they're 

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go, so I like them. 
So guys, our guest today hail 

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from Kansas City. 
Did you know that they were 

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haunted in Kansas City? 
No, I didn't know that they came

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from Kansas. 
City. 

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They're from Kansas City, Dude, 
I've never been to Kansas City. 

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Yeah, dude, you know what I 
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I want to ask him this too, but 
I feel like Kansas City, the 

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only thing I know about is from 
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Like it's got this big had like 
a big mafia presence, like if 

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you watch Casino or something. 
So I bet the Italian food's 

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really good. 
So we started this. 

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They started this podcast. 
They were paranormal 

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investigators and friends 
sitting in a basement drinking 

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beers, talking about ghosts. 
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only a little like a year before
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they started a podcast and they 
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And they are big proponents of 
elevation, right? 

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All ships rise at the tide. 
They do a lot of stuff with 

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promoting other podcasts and 
other creators and other 

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influencers. 
And if you don't know who I'm 

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talking about yet, if that 
wasn't enough of a clue, I'm 

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talking about Jeremy, JD Duvall 
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Now, I got to find out. 
I got to find out where that 

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name comes from. 
We're talking about chumming 

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with chumming with the spirits, 
JD and Larry Parachum Buchanan. 

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Let's bring them in here. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you for being here. 
Thank you, chum. 

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Thanks for having us on. 
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hear. 
I've never been to Kansas City 

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first and foremost, so I want to
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You were your work friends, high
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How did you get into Tell me 
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there, meeting and then finding 
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ghosts? 
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is We met through a work friend 
who found out I like to do 

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paranormal investigations. 
Grew up in a haunted house. 

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Larry also grew up in a haunted 
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We all met at an investigation 
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investigation group by Larry and
Rick Parks, a friend of ours 

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that gave gave me a diploma on 
actual paranormal investigation.

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I was certified how to 
investigate, but that's actually

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how we met. 
That was almost 15 years ago. 15

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years ago, yeah. 
And I've been doing this for 

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about 20. 
Yeah, so. 

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She's sort of a work friend who 
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who I knew because he was a 
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salesman of Rick Parks who found
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We ended up going to an 
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Larry put on and kind of just 
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We we tried a few things in 
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We did some investigations. 
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which well you, you're from LA 
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That is a lot of work. 
People don't realize how hard to

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do film quality documentary B 
roll A roll and then trying to 

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get together and then find 
somebody who really wants that 

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it. 
It's a lot more difficult than 

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COVID happened and we're like 
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the sites down. 
Everybody wanted to stay 6 feet 

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away, which I was OK with, but a
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They weren't allowing people in.
And we're sitting in in Dave's 

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basement talking about all the 
stuff we've seen over the years,

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some of our individual 
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you know, this would be kind of 
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record this, the stories and 
what was going on in it. 

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It kind of morphed from there. 
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That initial night, we were in 
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watching this horrible 
documentary about a vampire 

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hunter in the city who was 
certain that he had found a 

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coven in an old hotel or motel. 
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they were getting ready to go in
to find the vampires, and it cut

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off. 
I spent four months trying to 

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find the name of that show so 
that I could see how horrible it

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was going to progress. 
It was so horrible, you, you 

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were just addicted to it. 
They only ever made one. 

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Episode we just happened to find
one episode because we're trying

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to find something to to watch 
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So what do you guys do? 
What do you said they were 

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salesman years, What do you do? 
What's your business? 

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Yeah, So I'm in industrial. 
I do industrial automation. 

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So the easiest way to say, 
remember the old TV show How 

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It's Made? 
And they'd show all the machines

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making stuff, whether it be 
folding some cookies. 

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I program those machines. 
Oh, so you're the guy thing, 

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everybody out of work in the in 
the factory business, in the 

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manufacturing business. 
You don't want to slack off, 

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let's just put it that way. 
Right. 

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No. 
No replace. 

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A lot of people think they blame
other people, but you don't 

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realize that automation is 
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huge way very faster than people
recognize, you know it is. 

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It's it's an. 
We talk about AI all the time, 

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but we're not talking enough 
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You know, that's really right 
there with it, you know, All 

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right, so you're in this 
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You, you said you, you guys both
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up in haunted houses. 
Now I'm curious, what kind of 

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religious background did you 
have and tell me about like, how

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did you know? 
When did or when did you realize

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your house was haunted? 
At what age was this like in an 

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early age and like that's a 
ghost or were you? 

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Did it take you a minute to 
figure out that it it wasn't the

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HVAC system making the noise? 
You know, what was the deal 

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there? 
You guys, Larry, you go first. 

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That's. 
Just the house suddenly. 

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So my, my mom was Methodist. 
So I grew up going to Methodist 

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Church and then my parents got 
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So my dad wanted me to go 
through catechism just to make 

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my mom mad. 
So I had I've had to go through 

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all that kind of stuff. 
I haven't gone to church since. 

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I've given the choice not to 
because I'm one of those people.

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Like I believe that there's 
something out there. 

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I just I have a hard time 
believing what it is until I can

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see it and quantify it. 
Said the scientist. 

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Said the person. 
That works in the lab. 

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So I, I grew up all over the 
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I was born in Virginia. 
We lived in Coatesville, PA, 

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which is right next to 
Philadelphia, for a while as a 

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kid. 
And the thing, I don't remember 

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this, it took me years and years
of thinking about it, hearing 

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stories from my sister before I 
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Our bedrooms were right across 
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second floor. 
Our house was built on the back 

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of the VA hospital in the small 
town, and my dad would find 

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headstones while mowing the yard
and pick them up and toss them 

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into the woods, she said. 
Every night. 

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Almost every night. 
John panicked at the city. 

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He's like, Oh my God. 
That's like, that's a culture 

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guy fucking. 
Let's get rid of this. 

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Let's get rid of this one, dude.
Now listen. 

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That's awesome. 
That's awesome. 

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Wasn't expecting that, No. 
She would wake up in the middle.

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So she 10 years older than I am.
She would wake up in the middle 

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of the night and see me standing
in her doorway watching her 

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sleep. 
And she would be like, hey, 

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Junior, because that's what they
called me, go back to sleep. 

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And she would get so mad because
I wouldn't listen to her that 

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she would get up, grab my hand, 
walk me across the hall. 

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Every time she would hit my 
door, noticed that I'm already 

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asleep in my bed in the little 
kids hand that she was holding 

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would no longer be there. 
She said that I was. 

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I would be in my room. 
Yeah. 

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Playing with kids and talking to
people that weren't there. 

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I don't remember any of it 
because I was so small. 

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Or I just blocked it out. 
I don't know. 

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But it seems like this stuff's 
followed me since I've been a 

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little kid, so. 
All right, so you're probably a 

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witch like John is, OK. 
Oh, he's attracting things. 

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I can guarantee he attracts 
things. 

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Yeah, she told me this one story
that her, her and her friends 

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were in the basement of that 
house one time. 

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And, you know, back in the 80s 
and 70s, people had the the 

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decorative saw blades that were 
painted with murals and stuff 

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hanging on the walls. 
It might be a Midwestern thing. 

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It is, yeah. 
It's a Midwestern thing, but 

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she. 
Yeah, we've seen them. 

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I've seen them in horror movies.
Yeah, yeah, she said that it 

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started shaking and flew off the
wall towards everybody. 

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She was this. 
Is like the last piece of art 

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you want. 
Flying off the wallet Portland 

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in the tornado area. 
Those are not things you put on 

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the walls if if high winds can 
come. 

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Well, it was Pennsylvania. 
It was OK there, but not 

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anymore. 
Everything's OK in Pennsylvania,

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gentlemen. 
Not anymore. 

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The tornado alleys. 
I think it just proves that 

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Pennsylvania's a hot bed. 
All right, so then. 

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And Larry, what about you? 
I mean, JD, what about you? 

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So I was raised Christian, moved
over to Mormon for a brief 

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moment. 
My mom died when I was really 

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young, around 5 or 6. 
She passed away. 

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Breast cancer, you know. 
Anyways, that my grandmother was

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very into spirits and very 
religious, though I mean every 

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time we stayed with her, we were
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Sunday or that'd be Southern 
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Pentecostal, whether it be 
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available. 
She made sure that we always 

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went my big like very similar 
Larry my I have a four year old 

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older sister. 
We used to have paranormal 

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things happening in a couple of 
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not a big deal. 
The big house that I remember is

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we I was in Independence, KS. 
I'm probably 77 or 8 latch T kid

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Gen. 
X you know 3 o'clock. 

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You come home, unlock the door, 
go in, turn TV on, watch 

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cartoons. 
This house was built in 1912. 

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Beautiful Victorian house, 2 
story wooden banister comes 

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down, landing in the middle, 
comes down to a mud landing 

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where you can take your shoes 
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Creepy Harry Potter doorway 
underneath. 

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I'm sitting there, I'm watching 
cartoons. 

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I hear my sister start coming 
down the stairs. 

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Now this is like 3:00 or 3:30 in
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Bright daylight out. 
It's not dark or spooky. 

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Being the wonderful younger 
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go stare. 
So I sneak underneath the 

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banister and I hear her coming 
down. 

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So I, I get really low so she 
can't see me. 

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So as I'm going, I hear her hit 
the mud landing. 

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Boom. 
I jump out and go ha, there is 

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nobody there. 
My brain is doing somersaults. 

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I run up the stairs, open open 
her bedroom door. 

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Her door was the first one. 
I'm like, did you just come down

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the stairs? 
Like no, she wouldn't be able to

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run down, run back up. 
She's like, no, that was me. 

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Get out. 
And I'm like it. 

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That was like, OK, there there's
something more because it wasn't

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just like creaking it. 
I heard somebody come down the 

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steps and it sounded like her 
hit the landing, jump out. 

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I may have scared my first 
ghost. 

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Maybe that's that's what 
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I don't know. 
But it would happen all the 

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time. 
You'd be sitting there and you'd

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hear somebody to come down or go
up. 

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Of course they had those big oak
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It would open up in the middle 
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You hear the door latch open up 
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like somebody was going to check
in on you. 

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But you wouldn't see anybody 
underneath the door, no shadows.

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And then it would close and 
latch. 

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Now, I mean, it was a firm, 
regular occurrence for a while. 

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I used to. 
I just want to confirm with you 

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boys, you're you're positive 
your older siblings weren't 

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fucking with you at this young 
age right before we decided they

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were ghostly? 
Did you ever go wait a minute, 

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like years later? 
Say, was that you? 

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Who did that door thing? 
Yeah, my sister was terrified. 

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Yeah, no, my sister was there 
sitting on the couch a couple 

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different times after school, 
and we'd hear somebody come down

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steps. 
We're the only ones home, and 

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you're just waiting for somebody
to show up. 

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Yeah. 
So I mean it, it could have 

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been, you know, they're sitting 
right next to you and it's 

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happening. 
You're like, OK, that's not you.

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So all right, so now you got you
get together, this guy puts you 

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together for work. 
You start, you're sharing these 

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stories, you start doing now you
guys host events, you go 

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investigating. 
You've been doing the podcast 

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thing longer than than China and
I have what have you. 

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What has been sort of the most 
revealing thing you've learned 

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doing the podcast in in the 
paranormal space? 

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Like has anything changed or 
broadened your perspective? 

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JD, you go first this time. 
Yeah, my biggest saying was 

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orbs, 99% of orbs up until 
fairly recent dust insects can. 

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You would not be able to 
convince me. 

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Until you see. 
Until, until we had, we had this

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we, we did the Sally House. 
It was the first time we did the

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Sally House. 
And where is that till, till, 

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just to? 
Real quick. 

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OK, the Sally House is one of 
the most famous haunted 

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locations and at Axis in Kansas,
it was originally shown in 1993 

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on a show called Sightings where
they went in it was called the 

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Ghost on the Prairie story. 
They they actually didn't tell 

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where it was or the people over 
there. 

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It was Tony and Deb Pikman. 
They're in their 20s. 

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They had a a small child with 
them and they were having 

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poltergeist activity. 
He actually saw saw Sally, the 

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full body apparition of a small 
child. 

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He drew it. 
He was physically getting 

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scratched. 
They caught it on camera. 

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Him having the scratches form on
his chest. 1993 when that 

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happened, that was actually like
kind of a big thing for me 

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'cause I was like, oh, I'm not 
the only one crazy. 

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There's this isn't just 
happening to me. 

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They're having all sorts of 
stuff. 

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They had a bib get melted off 
the baby. 

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They had a flower get wilted. 
They had toys getting moved, a 

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toy caught on fire. 
I mean, they, they were getting 

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some really crazy activity in 
this house. 

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So that was 1993. 
Fast forward to what was it 

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20242020252025 We go do the 
house, we're having battery 

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drain left and right. 
I, I went through all my spare 

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batteries. 
We have rim pods just going 

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crazy, swapping rim pods out 
thinking it's malfunctions. 

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All this and, and we're getting 
activity in the main bedroom, 

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not the nursery, which most 
people get information, but we 

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get this. 
We just started getting orbs on 

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our IR camera and we had people 
go up. 

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We padded the bed, we padded the
floor. 

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I mean, we, we tried everything 
to recreate the, the dust and 

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the other thing in the house. 
There's no air movement. 

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We actually went and bought fans
it, it's not, it's climate 

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control. 
So the temperature's OK, but 

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there is no air movement unless 
we put a fan somewhere to get 

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air moving. 
So we're seeing orbs change 

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direction like they're getting 
ready to go in, see something 

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and comes out getting Weird 
Tales where it looks like a coin

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flipping. 
At one point it looks like this 

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Blizzard tummy and up. 
I've been to the room seeing 

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that many. 
If it was dust, you'd been 

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choking on it. 
The amount of particles that 

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were in the air and we didn't 
see any of it with our naked 

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eye. 
It that that was I went from 

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999.9 to 95. 
I'm at least going to willingly 

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listen to somebody who says, 
hey, you're not going to believe

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this. 
This is a orb. 

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I I've seen physical orbs with 
my, with my eyes, but that was 

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the first time I've ever been in
a situation. 

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If I watched it now, I'd tell 
you, oh, that's just dust or 

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insects. 
But after being there having 

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that happen and all the other 
weird stuff we had, we had a 

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light show up on somebody 
physically move around on them. 

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That that's, that's changed me 
on my, my perceptions of orbs 

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showed up in a hotel room. 
I was doing the interview. 

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What about you? 
What about you, Larry? 

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So I think that the biggest 
thing with me that's changed 

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isn't necessarily paranormal. 
It's I've been doing this for a 

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long time, paranormal 
investigating. 

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My friend Jason actually started
me in on on it. 

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He's he's the host of Paracon KC
that he does every year here in 

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Kansas City. 
Before COVID hit, there was a a 

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dichotomy between paranormal 
groups where. 

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Everyone butted heads, like if 
you wanted to investigate a 

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location, well, no, they can't. 
That's my location. 

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Territorial, territorial, very, 
very aggressive. 

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COVID hit and kind of, we've 
talked about this before, kind 

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of just diminished all the 
negativity out of everything. 

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And now, especially in the 
paranormal podcast, in the 

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podcast community in general, 
people are coming together, 

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collaborating, sharing stories 
with one another, helping one 

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another out. 
And I think that's, that's the 

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coolest thing I have ever seen 
because before it was every man 

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for himself. 
And now people want to help each

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other. 
And I I find that very 

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heartwarming. 
No, that's also, I mean, look, 

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we, we talk about this a lot, 
you know, and it's John himself 

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suffers from post traumatic 
paranormal disorder, where from 

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being a victim of that. 
And you know, it's like just the

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idea of when he started out and 
doing what he does was so 

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different. 
The hate is immense. 

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And I think you're there is 
something to be said for the 

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fact that, you know, lately, as 
in the year we've been doing 

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this, and I said to him, let's, 
let's do this, let's get these 

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people on, let's get you out 
there more. 

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And it has been even to right, 
John, I mean, they're more 

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receptive to you. 
They want you there now. 

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They want like it's a very 
there's still a few guys out 

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there. 
Well, that and also, you know, 

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what I do now is being done by 
every by by a lot of people. 

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So there there's that too. 
But but there is, of course, 

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listen, there's always going to 
be contention and there's always

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going to be people that are 
negative in this space, right? 

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We're never going to escape 
that. 

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But with this podcast, I'm 
starting to realize that there's

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a lot of good hearted, like 
minded individuals, ladies and 

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gentlemen, everything in between
that want to help each other 

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out, you know, and it's a, it is
a beautiful thing. 

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We've gotten more advice from 
some of our fellow podcasters, 

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John from Myth Monsters and 
Mullets. 

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Matt Orton drunk, encrypted. 
Justin and Jay from. 

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Ashley from Ghost Gossip, you 
know, we, we, we have a small 

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community of podcasts that we've
done stuff with unraveling the 

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darkness, cracking cans and it 
that's one of the nice things is

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we're very pro podcasts. 
We, we're willing to share what,

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what we've learned because each 
platform is different. 

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Everybody's unique. 
I mean, you can be telling 

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stories or you can be doing 
investigations. 

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No one's going to say like if we
all went on investigation, we'd 

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have 4 separate stories of what 
exactly happened. 

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So there's, there's plenty of 
room for everybody to hop in the

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space, especially when you're 
doing it because you enjoy what 

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you're doing. 
You know, you're not, you know, 

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everybody would eventually like 
to make money off of it, but the

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idea behind this is you're doing
it because you enjoy it. 

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Everything else comes next, 
right? 

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Well, that's the thing. 
Doesn't, doesn't everybody, For 

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some odd reason, there's a 
strange misconception that that 

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pizza pie is small. 
Yeah, yeah, there's a slice for 

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everybody. 
There's a couple slices for 

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everybody. 
You know, there's no shortage, 

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there's no there's no finite 
amount of views. 

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Yeah, there's no it. 
It's so. 

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Yeah, and even if so. 
Listen real quick before we get 

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back into the seriousness, 
gentlemen, your background is 

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awesome. 
I love the WWE belt. 

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Ghostbusters. 
Is that Fallout? 

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Is that Fallout New Vegas up 
there? 

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No, that's Beetlejuice. 
The Beetlejuice sign. 

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Oh, that's the Beetlejuice. 
OK, cool. 

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Awesome. 
I'm looking at everything you 

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got. 
You got Darth Vader. 

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You got Stormtroopers. 
This is my favorite Killer 

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Klowns from Outer Space. 
Oh, Killer Klowns from Outer 

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Space. 
Yep, Yep, I see. 

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You've got this. 
ADHD. 

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You got this. 
ADHD going It's functional. 

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Yeah, that's awesome. 
Export. 

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I love it, Chad. 
I love it. 

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Tell me. 
About the name, how'd you come 

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up with the name and how is the 
where did the nickname Parrot 

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Chum come from? 
So I'm not from a good place. 

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Well, so Larry, Larry guys that 
that you put them in a haunted 

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location and they just it's like
chumming the water. 

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That's literally where parrot 
chum is chumming paranormal. 

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He, he makes things happen. 
He's either getting touched or 

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he's hearing like a lot of 
people give him a hard time 

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because he hears things all the 
time. 

449
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Like, did you see that 90% of 
the time we can go back and 

450
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,840
there was something he heard it,
it, it could be a car driving 

451
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,520
by, but he heard it lights. 
So that's where the parachum 

452
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,840
comes from. 
Chummo with the spirits came 

453
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,320
about as we're talking about. 
Well, spirits is a dual thing. 

454
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,600
You know, you drink, you relax a
little bit, you start telling 

455
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,240
stories, people get a little 
more open 'cause we, we've had 

456
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,400
conversations with people like, 
hey, have you ever had a 

457
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,480
paranormal experience? 
And they're like, well, no, not 

458
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280
really. 
And then we start telling the 

459
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,920
stuff that we've had happened. 
They're go, well, you know, 

460
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,520
there's this one time, you know,
after a drink or two, you know, 

461
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,160
'cause it something's traumatic 
and they, they need coaxing into

462
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,000
it to be feel like they're in a 
comfortable space. 

463
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,600
So we kind of chum with the 
spirits duel. 

464
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,640
We drink and try to get people 
to open up and talk about the 

465
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,360
stories or locations. 
You know the nickname Para Chum 

466
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,080
now makes total sense. 
You're a magnet. 

467
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:43,080
You're like a magnet for it. 
So it also comes from I scare 

468
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,360
easily and I'm very I don't like
to be by myself in dark places. 

469
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,760
So we put them in dark places. 
So our friend Rick, who I used 

470
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,640
to be on a group with, got it in
his mind that it would be 

471
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,960
beneficial to try to scare me on
an investigation to get that 

472
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,040
fear energy out. 
And for some reason I never saw 

473
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760
it coming. 
Of the hundreds of thousands of 

474
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,600
investigations we did, he always
got me. 

475
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,000
He started calling me para Chum 
and that's. 

476
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Yeah, it kind of stuck. 
Stuck, you know, you, you 

477
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,160
mentioned something in that 
story, which is interesting 

478
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,120
because we had a we, we have an 
interview coming up in a couple 

479
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,520
months with a guest. 
She's a parapsychologist out of 

480
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:28,040
the UK and she did a study about
people who work in sort of the 

481
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,000
death industry, morticians, 
Hospice people, things like 

482
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,320
that. 
And they all start their stories

483
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,480
the same way that they, they, 
they don't, you know, no, they 

484
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,880
don't believe in it. 
They don't believe in 

485
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,640
paranormal. 
But this happened. 

486
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,200
But this happened, but they 
don't. 

487
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,960
But it's not paranormal, right? 
But it's like all these things 

488
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,480
that she, she did this massive 
study on this, like she talked 

489
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,200
to like, I don't know, like 1000
people or something. 

490
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560
So I find that funny, right? 
Like people don't like to 

491
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,320
necessarily admit it, you know, 
but you get them talking and 

492
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,400
it's they, they sort of are open
to it, right? 

493
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,200
I mean, it's a whole, it's a 
different vibe. 

494
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,640
And ever since I started doing 
this, people are just like, now 

495
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,400
everyone's asking me that, 
right? 

496
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,920
You know, do you believe in 
ghosts? 

497
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Like, what do you think it is? 
And they want, they want to get 

498
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480
in on it. 
They want to say what they but 

499
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,440
they're waiting for me to say. 
It's OK to say it, right? 

500
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800
They need somebody. 
Do you find that way for that a 

501
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,360
lot? 
It's a safe environment if they 

502
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,760
feel it's safe. 
Yeah, so part of me wonders if 

503
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:38,720
it's it's either one or two in 
in my brain that they are scared

504
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,000
to admit it because they don't 
want to look weak. 

505
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800
Or. 
They're scared to admit it 

506
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,360
because then they have to 
acknowledge that there's 

507
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,360
something they don't understand 
in this world and that scares 

508
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,560
them. 
What are your guys's opinions on

509
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,640
that? 
Well, you know, it's funny that 

510
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,280
you bring that up. 
Last night. 

511
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,280
I was at the El Conquin in New 
York City. 

512
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,880
And you know, I'm live. 
I snuck out for a cigarette and 

513
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,120
you know, I'm out there in this,
you know, this older woman is, 

514
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,840
is like, oh, what are you guys 
doing here? 

515
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,240
And I'm like, oh, I'm 
documenting the spirits here. 

516
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,600
And she goes, oh, I don't want 
to talk about that. 

517
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400
And I'm like, OK, no problem. 
I'm like, yeah, well, the ass, 

518
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,160
that's what I'm doing. 
And then I'm like, are are you 

519
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,920
scared? 
I was like, let me ask you a 

520
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,400
question. 
Are you just scared in general? 

521
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,720
And then she opens up. 
She tells me about the 

522
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560
experience that she had. 
And I kept ask every question I 

523
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,760
asked. 
I said, I don't mean to get too 

524
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,200
personal, but you know, wouldn't
you this, that and the other? 

525
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,360
And it was just, it was just 
like what we were just talking 

526
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,960
about. 
Like she was, I don't want to 

527
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920
talk about that. 
But then she realized, oh, wait 

528
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,760
a minute, this is a safe guy for
me to actually tell my story to.

529
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,200
And that she just, it was like 
verbal diarrhea. 

530
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,600
It all just came out. 
I couldn't get her stopped. 

531
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,160
I was done with my cigarette. 
Like I got to get back up to the

532
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,960
live, but she's still going on 
about it so good. 

533
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,760
And I think when people do open 
up like that, there's a big 

534
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,000
sense of relief for them to get 
that stuff off their chest. 

535
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Gary, what? 
What do you think? 

536
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Oh, for me, yeah. 
I, I mean, absolutely. 

537
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,800
I mean, I, I totally agree. 
I think there's that, You know, 

538
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,160
we have a we we're doing an 
episode with coming up. 

539
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Our next episode is with an 
adult film star who started 

540
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,520
following us on following the 
podcast. 

541
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,800
And she tells us it's like, it 
has taken me years to talk about

542
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:41,160
this, you know, because of all 
things, she's embarrassed. 

543
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,280
She was embarrassed to talk 
about this. 

544
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,960
This is a this is a person who's
an adult film star and very well

545
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840
known. 
I mean, it's like, but she but 

546
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,600
talking about ghosts was 
something that she was nervous 

547
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
about how she would look, you 
know what I'm saying? 

548
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Like, that's like, to me, that's
like, you know, you got to be 

549
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880
kidding. 
But she was very open and told 

550
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,680
us. 
She told us about her 

551
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,680
experiences and all these 
things, you know, that that have

552
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
happened. 
And when you find a safe space 

553
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,400
to do it, people, I think you 
know, yeah, I absolutely think 

554
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,280
that, you know, when you create 
that vibe of like, no, come and 

555
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,640
talk to us. 
We'll we're open minded and 

556
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800
we're, we want to hear your, 
your take on it. 

557
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120
And there's no judgement. 
Once they know there's no 

558
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400
judgement. 
It's it, yeah, definitely people

559
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720
open up about it, you know, for 
sure. 

560
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,520
So it's it's wild. 
I got another question for you 

561
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040
guys because you guys have been 
doing this about a year, right? 

562
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Yeah, a little over, yeah. 
So more you talk about the 

563
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,360
paranormal, have you noticed 
more activity around you? 

564
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Good. 
Question. 

565
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Well, that's got to be just for 
Gary. 

566
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,080
Yeah, you have it all the time. 
You're literally going up. 

567
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,040
He'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, 
he'll might. 

568
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,120
He might hear a squirrel, but 
it's not a squirrel and it's a 

569
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,360
ghost. 
Right now, while we're in, he's 

570
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,640
in that haunted basement of his.
You never know what's going to 

571
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,320
happen. 
The the light in the other room 

572
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,520
is is acting up. 
I just changed the bulbs. 

573
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720
So now in my head I'm like, well
this is going on. 

574
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,680
I'm like, OK, if do I have a 
short in the in the fixture, 

575
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,040
Yeah. 
Or is there something playing 

576
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,640
with with the with the light? 
Yeah. 

577
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960
So I wouldn't say guys, I 
wouldn't say, to answer your 

578
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,600
question, I wouldn't say that I,
I experience paranormal activity

579
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,600
anymore or any less than I did 
before. 

580
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,520
But I would say that I look at 
things a different way when I 

581
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,040
hear stories, right. 
I, I would say now that I have 

582
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,400
done this and I, the people I've
met through this, when I hear a 

583
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,160
story, I, I, I can, I can 
analyze that story a different 

584
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,840
in, in 16 different ways, which 
I probably maybe had two ways 

585
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,720
before, which is nonsense. 
Or, you know, like I, I would 

586
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,160
say it, but now it's more OK, 
this could be here's what these 

587
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320
here's all the different things 
that could be to 'cause that you

588
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,840
know for sure. 
Yeah, I say that all the time. 

589
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Like the the podcast Splintered 
Spirit. 

590
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,960
Sure, we're trying to ask the 
question and get everyone's 

591
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,480
intake on, you know, what 
spirits could be. 

592
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,120
But the other side of it is 
almost watching Kathy's journey 

593
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:16,400
as he went from complete skeptic
to this like mind opening. 

594
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080
Like wait a minute, there is 
something happening here. 

595
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840
I don't know what it is. 
Well, yeah. 

596
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Well, look, I know everyone. 
I got labeled. 

597
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,840
It's it's blue bodies. 
We had we had the I was in the 

598
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
blue Bodies live the other night
and she brought it up. 

599
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,680
She's like, I love Gary, you 
know, and I watched the bull 

600
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,560
champion. 
I'm fucking. 

601
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,320
First of all, first of all, I'm 
dope. 

602
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400
So that's again, I'm fucking 
dope. 

603
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,800
So that's number one. 
Number two, it's like I get 

604
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,640
labeled as a skeptical like I 
and and that's fair, but there's

605
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,240
two things I've noticed, right? 
I don't think they're a skeptic 

606
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,560
anymore. 
So, but there's two. 

607
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200
I appreciate it, but there's two
things that I noticed. 

608
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,960
It's this, right? 
One, if a child were to ask you 

609
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,240
what you're doing, like how do 
you doing this? 

610
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,840
You're going to explain it to 
them, right? 

611
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,000
You're going to explain what, 
what, how you're build putting 

612
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,560
this thing together and you're 
fine. 

613
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,880
If an adult asks you how why are
you doing it like this, you 

614
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,760
immediately your guard goes up 
like you, you know, it's like, 

615
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,280
you know what? 
This is how I do it. 

616
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Like I right. 
There's like people get judgy, 

617
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,640
like they think I'm going to 
like I'm trying to dunk on them.

618
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,080
So when I started this, I got 
into this because, yeah, John 

619
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,960
does this. 
He's successful at it. 

620
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,160
And I was like, what is going 
on, right. 

621
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320
And it was really about and 
look, I'm in the TV business, so

622
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,560
it's like it can we make a 
format out of this? 

623
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,200
What does he do? 
Can I, can we make a show 

624
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,480
together? 
What's going on here? 

625
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,720
And I would say I was less of a 
skeptic, but by asking all these

626
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240
questions, people naturally 
assumed like I'm skeptical, 

627
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,680
whereas I, I when I tell people 
about splittered spirits, it's 

628
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,160
more it's not, you know, 
believer skeptic, it's 

629
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,120
experienced novice, right? 
Like that's the thing that and I

630
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600
know it's nuanced, but that's 
sort of a, that's, that's the 

631
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,400
truth. 
It's just like, I don't know 

632
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040
what's happening. 
I want to find out and by asking

633
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,320
a ton of questions, you know, 
it's like like with chip coffee,

634
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,840
right? 
Chip coffee was like, I feel 

635
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
like he thought I was trying to 
dunk on him the entire time when

636
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,679
I was literally just trying to 
ask like what's going on, you 

637
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,120
know? 
And then he, you know, he was 

638
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,560
like, he got real. 
He got a little upset, but I 

639
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,360
also think he got a little upset
because I was, I was poking at 

640
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,679
his religion a little bit, but 
it was really I, you know, I 

641
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,800
just disagree with his, what he 
thinks is his religion is I 

642
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
think he's wrong, right? 
You know, but that's what's my 

643
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000
thought. 
You know, I just think he, he's 

644
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,440
just wrong. 
Listen, man, all, all Catholics 

645
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,639
are Christians, but all 
Christians ain't Catholic, so 

646
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,600
don't say they're the same. 
It's just the way it is. 

647
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,159
That's just the way it is. 
But that's the, you know, the 

648
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,639
guy was great. 
So I'm not knocking on him, but 

649
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,639
I think that's there was a 
little bit he started to try to 

650
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,120
get at me on that. 
Great guest, he was a great. 

651
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Guest You guys did a great that 
was a great episode you guys did

652
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,639
with him. 
I I appreciate that. 

653
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,360
I appreciate that I love your 
your guys. 

654
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,480
You know what I love about you 
is everything like it really is.

655
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,760
You have a real great knack of 
that, of letting people in 

656
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,040
right. 
And I and you know you, you 

657
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,840
talked about ghost gossip and 
Ashley, we had her on. 

658
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
It's the same thing. 
I love watching you guys for how

659
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,440
for how well you just have a 
conversation with people. 

660
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,280
Like for me, if I don't have a 
list of questions to ask you, 

661
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,800
I'm going to be sitting here 
like, I don't know what to do to

662
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,080
say to these guys. 
Like you guys have a natural 

663
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,760
sort of, and John has is better 
at that than I am too. 

664
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,280
But like that natural ability of
like, let's just sit and talk 

665
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,960
and do that, which I think is 
great for a podcast, Right? 

666
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Yeah. 
Speaking of that, Speaking of 

667
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,280
that, gentlemen, if there was 
one episode of your podcast that

668
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,840
you're like, hey, you have to 
listen to, like what episode 

669
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
would that be? 
I would. 

670
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,040
Can I go right ahead? 
I'm just like, I'm going to do 

671
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,120
this. 
I would have to say either the 

672
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Kraken cans and the Flatwoods 
Monster episode where we talk 

673
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,120
about the Flatwoods Monster with
Kraken cans or the Bloody 

674
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,560
Benders episode. 
Those that sound awesome. 

675
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,880
See by the way. 
Now see like. 

676
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,240
Here's the thing, everything you
just said sounded like words 

677
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,480
that don't make sense together. 
To me, that sounded awesome. 

678
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Like I have no idea what any of 
those words mean. 

679
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Let's. 
Talk about the the the flat 

680
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,840
monster. 
OK, right, right. 

681
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,880
So what do you say was the what 
do you say was the flat with 

682
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,120
crackling cans and flat like 
this like it just said words? 

683
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440
So the guest was the the, the 
crack, the the cracklin. 

684
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,920
And he talked about the flat, 
the flats monster. 

685
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Let's start there. 
Tell us briefly because I want 

686
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000
people to go and watch it. 
Fuck is a flats? 

687
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Monster. 
So yeah, I want to hear about 

688
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,160
it. 
You don't know what the black 

689
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,440
see the Flatwood monster is. 
Not a not a clue, no idea. 

690
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,880
To be fair, so we're that's the 
Cryptid. 

691
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520
It's a a Cryptid that could have
been an alien. 

692
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,640
That happened like the 
Chupacabra, kind of. 

693
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,840
So we we so we cover paranormal 
cryptids, UFOs and then general 

694
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,360
old style horror stuff. 
That's where the bloody benders 

695
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,160
they're they were one of the 
earliest serial killing families

696
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,240
in America in America. 
That was in southeast Kansas, 

697
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,560
called Cherryville. 
Back, who was at house on the 

698
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,760
prairies, even had written 
stories about trying to go find 

699
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,960
them when they were killing 
people. 

700
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Yeah, they were never found. 
They escaped, so they don't. 

701
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Even know if they were really a 
family, it was a parents and and

702
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,960
two siblings, a a a guy and a 
girl being with that. 

703
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,880
That's probably one of our 
bigger ones. 

704
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,280
The flatwood monsters with 
cracking cans we yeah the Bell 

705
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,400
witch is the one I would say but
that are Headless Horseman. 

706
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,760
I've heard of the Bell Witch. 
We know the hellless Horseman. 

707
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,280
That's our neck of the witch. 
Dude, I we'll get into the 

708
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Headless Horseman in a bit 
because I got, I got yeah, yeah,

709
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,640
yeah, the headless. 
Horseman one was one of my 

710
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,560
favorites because the the 
research I end up doing on it. 

711
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,120
There's multiple spirits in that
story and what all goes together

712
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,960
because we we covered all the 
different varieties of Headless 

713
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Horseman's that are around the 
world. 

714
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,160
I really enjoyed. 
Blahads. 

715
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,400
Yeah, yes. 
So I really enjoyed that it's 

716
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,280
not as popular as the as like 
the bell witch is one of our 

717
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200
more popular so is the Mandela 
Effect one we did. 

718
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,120
But like when you do audio only 
our Salem witch trial episode is

719
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,000
our biggest downloaded episodes.
I don't know what the you, you 

720
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,400
guys may be trying to figure it 
out too. 

721
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,520
We'll spend hours in research 
and we'll do an episode and you 

722
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,240
get like 20 to 30 views and then
we'll throw one together because

723
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,320
we needed time, we needed to 
throw something out and it's 1.2

724
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,160
perfect. 
Like people just so we don't 

725
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,360
interview well. 
But I mean, you guys, you do it 

726
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,240
great. 
You got the, you got the list. 

727
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,000
You know what you're doing. 
We look like bumbling idiots 

728
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,800
when they do it, but we can 
talk. 

729
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,760
So what we found out was like 
when we tried to do interviews 

730
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,600
with people, they just, our 
audience didn't like it. 

731
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,680
But if we sit down and talk 
about a topic, kind of like what

732
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,280
we're doing here, they love it. 
They, they, they like the 

733
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,920
conversation. 
I think it's because they feel 

734
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,520
like they, they can add 
something to it. 

735
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,720
They, they can hop in and be a 
part of it. 

736
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
You know, if we were all having 
a beer at a a bar, they may even

737
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,840
slide up and start going well, 
you know, this one time I had 

738
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,880
this weird thing happen, you 
know? 

739
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,120
So have you ever heard of this 
the story Sweeney Todd? 

740
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,360
We would Johnny Depp look into 
the bloody benders. 

741
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Supposedly that's how they 
killed people. 

742
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,800
They would, they had a little 
store on the the last trail 

743
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,480
before the wilderness and it was
separated by a curtain and they 

744
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,800
would have people eat dinner 
there, hit them on the head with

745
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640
a hammer from behind the curtain
and then pull a cut their 

746
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,320
throats, pull a lever and then a
trap door would under open and 

747
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,760
they'd slide down into the 
basement where they'd be robbed 

748
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,160
and cut up and buried and 
they're orchard. 

749
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,480
They don't know how many people 
they actually killed. 

750
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,040
They have estimates. 
They're actually doing 

751
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,240
excavations now, trying to find 
the original site to see if they

752
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,360
can find more bodies. 
Yeah, it's crazy. 

753
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Yeah. 
So we try to keep, like, on 

754
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,200
stuff like that. 
We try to keep to the older mass

755
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,640
murderers, you know, 1800s, 
early 1900s. 

756
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,560
We don't want to do anything 
modern because we don't want. 

757
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,040
To incriminate anybody. 
Yeah, we're, yeah. 

758
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,560
We're not going to solve it. 
We're not that smart. 

759
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,960
You never know. 
Never know, maybe one of our 

760
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,920
audience members might think. 
Talk to me about cryptids 

761
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,400
because I, I have to meet and 
talk to some Cryptid experts 

762
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,160
because I got to, I, I've said 
this to John, I am more apt, you

763
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,360
know, the paranormal and spirits
and consciousness and energy is 

764
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,000
something. 
I do think something's happening

765
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,920
for sure, but I have a very hard
time believing in Bigfoot. 

766
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,880
Encrypted. 
It's big things. 

767
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,920
It's big things. 
Big feats. 

768
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,360
How did you guys get into that 
world too? 

769
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,800
How did you add that in? 
And. 

770
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,320
I think it just goes hand in 
hand at the paranormal. 

771
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,200
So a lot of Bigfoot sightings 
you end up with orbs in the old 

772
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,280
days, orbs, Willow, the wisps, 
spirits and the forest that 

773
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
would, you know, lure you off to
your doom and demise. 

774
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,440
A lot of them are sighted in the
same location as Bigfoot 

775
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,160
encrypted animals. 
We don't know if it's same same 

776
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,000
with UFO sightings. 
It may be just the area tracks 

777
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,520
it like there's some hum Ley 
line or or something. 

778
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,400
But when we're talking about 
podcasts, a lot of them overlap 

779
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,920
myths, monsters and mullets does
he's had his own paranormal 

780
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,800
experiences encrypted Matt Orton
with drunk encrypted. 

781
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,920
He's had his own hat man and 
other paranormal activities that

782
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,960
he's seen, plus Bigfoot, 
encrypted paranormal out of 

783
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Cleveland. 
He's a six foot eight guy that 

784
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,520
might as well be encrypted. 
Brian Goddard. 

785
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,240
He's actually been probably the 
most influential on talking 

786
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,560
about cryptids. 
Did you just say he might be 

787
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,840
encrypted? 
Is that what you said? 

788
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Encrypted. 
Yeah. 

789
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,040
So I'm not a small guy. 
I'm 6 foot 2260. 

790
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960
He makes me look like a toddler 
standing next to him. 

791
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,800
I'm like, you got to be. 
I mean, like, I mean, he's 16. 

792
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Well, he is his experience. 
You got to have him on. 

793
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,920
He he saw a creature that was 2 
foot taller than him, says it 

794
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,720
stood up and just kept on going.
And he's 68. 

795
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,360
He goes and he's in 
Pennsylvania. 

796
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360
There's nothing in the woods 
that's bigger than that. 

797
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,480
So I'm 65, probably 44450I look 
like Kevin Hart. 

798
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,720
Next to Shaquille and he's a 
massively nice guy. 

799
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Yeah, world of information. 
Like he, he, we had 

800
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,760
conversations about dog men 
'cause I'm like, ah, it's dog 

801
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,120
men. 
You know, it's probably Reddit 

802
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,320
and all that. 
And he's like, well, you know, 

803
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,320
Anubis was a, a hybrid dog 
headed man and that's 2000 plus 

804
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,400
years ago. 
And he starts going through all 

805
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,040
this stuff, but he, he's had 
paranormal like experiences as 

806
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,120
well. 
He's seen full body apparitions.

807
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,240
So it kind of like it really 
crosses over more than you 

808
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,080
realize. 
So like that's your probably 

809
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,840
your next season 2, you might 
dip into what and we can get 

810
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,440
your contacts to a bunch of 
podcasts that I'd love to talk 

811
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,120
to you guys about it because 
everybody's open. 

812
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Yeah, I would love it. 
What? 

813
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520
What was I going to ask you 
guys, too? 

814
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520
It was shit. 
Oh, well, I got to ask you what 

815
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,960
I asked everybody here with all 
of your investigations and all 

816
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,280
the people now that you've met 
doing this and the different 

817
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,840
points of view that you've 
experienced, what do you think 

818
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
spirits are? 
So Larry, let's start with you. 

819
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,640
What do you think spirits are? 
That is a good question and I 

820
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,360
may have a convoluted answer, so
I hope I don't. 

821
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,760
I'll take it. 
Scare someone so I look at 

822
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,480
spirits as unknown. 
So when you look at the human 

823
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:05,000
physical presence, our brains 
are the most complex computer AI

824
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
intelligence ever devised, ever 
created. 

825
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,720
We are taught by our brains to 
recognize things by facial 

826
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,800
recognition. 
So from the second you're born, 

827
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,200
your brain, that computer is 
building a reference Bank of 

828
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,480
things it sees and experiences 
so that later on it can cross 

829
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
reference those experiences to 
make sense of something that's 

830
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,480
happening to you. 
So if you were to take all four 

831
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:44,960
of us and put us in the most 
haunted room in the world, we 

832
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,640
all experience the same thing, 
but we don't. 

833
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,600
I may walk into the room and see
what people are experiencing. 

834
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,200
Claiming to experience a woman 
in white figure, John may enter 

835
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,800
the room and see a ghost dog. 
This is what I've said before 

836
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,280
too. 
Gary, you may walk in a ghost 

837
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,680
child, JD may walk in and not 
see anything, just hear 

838
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,240
movement, perception. 
It's all based on perception in 

839
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,280
that cognitive bank in your 
head. 

840
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:26,440
So at this juncture in time, I 
believe that there is stuff out 

841
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:34,560
there that we can't explain, but
there's not good enough data to 

842
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,840
present to the world what it 
might mean. 

843
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,800
I do believe that there are 
things like mediums and spirits.

844
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,800
I'm not letting you off the 
hook. 

845
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,680
What do you think it is? 
I understand that. 

846
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,240
You know we don't know. 
Like to tell me no one knows 

847
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,560
what spirits are yet. 
No shit. 

848
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,280
So what do you think though when
you're going out? 

849
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,480
What do you think you're dealing
with? 

850
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,200
That was probably one of the 
best. 

851
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,560
It was a brilliant. 
Razor. 

852
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,400
I love the explanation for it, 
but he he, he led me down a path

853
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,760
without trying to cheat me out 
of it. 

854
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,800
I'm not letting him off the hook
with it. 

855
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,040
I know it's a theory. 
We all know it's a theory. 

856
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960
No one's going to hold you over 
the fire for. 

857
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400
It you know I had to go 2 
minutes ago but this is too good

858
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,680
so. 
I think it's all so. 

859
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,320
I do think there are spirits. 
I think people can linger. 

860
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,720
I I don't know if you can say 
every instance of paranormal 

861
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,600
activity of it that you 
experience is necessarily going 

862
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,280
to be a spirit, but I do I do 
believe there are souls that 

863
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,680
haven't been able to pass on. 
And you say soul and is it soul 

864
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,720
like in a religious sense or 
soul in a you know is are you 

865
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,480
coming at it from a religious 
place? 

866
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,280
How would you define soul 
energy? 

867
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,200
OK. 
I would define it as the inner 

868
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:03,360
essence the the metaphysical 
existence of the physical. 

869
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,280
So I'm not saying this very 
well. 

870
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,640
So not not spiritual as as much.
Because like our brain way 

871
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,920
activity. 
Because I think a dog could have

872
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,800
a soul that may not be able to 
pass over because. 

873
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,600
They do. 
These dogs are separated. 

874
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,480
From their human or something. 
So all dogs go to heaven, Yeah. 

875
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,920
That's right. 
So more more of an energy not. 

876
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,880
OK, what about you, JD? 
When? 

877
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,560
We talk about air. 
It's, we try to lump. 

878
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
I, I think people try to lump 
them all in one box. 

879
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,640
It's not one box. 
There's, there's a spectrum 

880
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,800
because you, you, you have 
poltergeist activity which could

881
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,800
be manifested from humans. 
You, you have residual 

882
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,640
hauntings, which are I think 
more of a stone recording tape, 

883
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,960
like the wood, wood grains, 
stone, whatever. 

884
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,360
It's just replaying when you hit
the right humidity. 

885
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Then we're getting into entities
and you have I think souls, 

886
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,640
whether you want religious or 
scientific, the essence of us, 

887
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,800
our brain waves, the 
intelligence that linger. 

888
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,760
You have non human entities 
which you can call those demons,

889
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,840
fae, aliens, spirit guardians. 
Yeah, aliens technically would 

890
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,440
be non human. 
And then you have you have 

891
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,520
angelic and heavenly spirits, 
which are could be people that 

892
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,440
have passed on and crossed over 
and are coming back to check on 

893
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,560
family members that leave hence 
or guide people. 

894
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,240
So I've seen a whole lot of it. 
I've had conversations. 

895
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,360
So I'm not a very religious 
person on the fact that I don't 

896
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,200
have a whole lot of faith 
anymore meeting. 

897
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,080
I have seen so much. 
I don't have to believe. 

898
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,800
I have seen. 
We have talked to people that 

899
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,520
have seen angels. 
We have talked to people that 

900
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,680
have seen or encountered demons.
I've talked to intelligent, had 

901
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,760
intelligent responses coming 
back from something that it 

902
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,720
that's in the room. 
I've been visited by past family

903
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,920
members in dreams. 
My sister's seen a whole bunch 

904
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,240
of stuff as well. 
So at this point in time, I 

905
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,840
don't know the rules of it. 
I just know there's something 

906
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,640
else beyond this I don't know. 
Well, I mean, we yeah, I just 

907
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920
work here. 
I I I get a paycheck. 

908
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,080
They tell me it's coming from 
somewhere. 

909
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,120
There's something after this. 
How it all works, I don't know. 

910
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,240
We actually, one of the weirdest
ones I ever had was with Larry. 

911
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,840
We're in a the repository 
rectory. 

912
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Rectory where priests used to 
stay and we're getting activity 

913
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,640
on this rim pod and we're 
asking, well, should should 

914
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Larry pray tonight and he goes 
all the way to red? 

915
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
We're like, really? 
And then and then Larry being, 

916
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,440
you know, well, you know, Are 
you sure? 

917
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,800
You really what did? 
What did you say? 

918
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,480
I said, are you really sure that
you're talking to me? 

919
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,600
I should believe. 
And it goes really so. 

920
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Larry should pray tonight. 
It was the first time because 

921
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,160
usually when when in my 
experience, when you start 

922
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,880
talking about religion in an 
investigation usually just shuts

923
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,600
down. 
You don't get, I mean, like 

924
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,680
they're not allowed to talk. 
This guy was saying, yeah, you 

925
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,720
should, you should pray. 
I don't know if it was a threat 

926
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,160
or or what, but. 
Well, the night didn't turn out 

927
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,640
too well. 
Yeah, he got woke up in the 

928
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,960
middle of the night, took a 
weird. 

929
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Photo so they we had two 
locations that we were allowed 

930
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,240
to choose from to stay at that 
night, both on the course cheap 

931
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,840
one thinking that everybody else
would choose the cheap one, 

932
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,840
right. 
It was that rectory. 

933
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,320
I was the one who chose that. 
So after the investigation at 

934
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,800
like 5:00 in the morning and I 
had to go back there by myself, 

935
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,240
walk through the whole place 
with the lights out to get to my

936
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:53,520
room and all hell broke loose. 
It was not a good night you get.

937
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,680
Random pictures in the middle of
the night of him just like. 

938
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,880
Yeah, I woke up in the middle of
the night and took a picture of 

939
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,480
myself that like looked like I 
just cramped my pants. 

940
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,760
I don't. 
Let's by the way, let's just 

941
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,520
remember he said he was 65, 2440
and you're telling me you're 

942
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,840
running around and how like a 
place scared? 

943
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,680
You got to be careful, dude. 
You're going to like you're 

944
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,120
going to run through the God 
damn wall like the kool-aid man 

945
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,760
and kill all your friends. 
Like are you crazy? 

946
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,120
You can't be doing that. 
You can't be you're not allowed 

947
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,680
to be scared. 
We look to you to protect the 

948
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,960
rest of us. 
Dude. 

949
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Can't be scared. 
No, he's gone and in. 

950
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,400
I can move. 
Faster. 

951
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,800
He moves way faster than what 
you realized. 

952
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,320
We he'd we're at the Sally house
for a second investigation. 

953
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,720
He plays, he knocks on the the 
basement door because it it was 

954
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,040
locked. 
You're not allowed to go in. 

955
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,560
They now have it open, but he 
knocks on it and we're all 

956
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,280
talking because he's like, oh, 
that was funny. 

957
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,960
That door rattled. 
He was gone like Usain Bolt 400 

958
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,160
and. 
Now just. 

959
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,480
Gone in an instant. 
We're like, holy cow. 

960
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,840
Like, yeah, you don't want to be
in front of them. 

961
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,280
You do not. 
Want to be? 

962
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,560
You're going to get pancaked in 
a heartbeat. 

963
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,240
That's hysterical. 
I get it. 

964
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,600
Guys, let me ask you this 
because, you know, you've been 

965
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,680
with us for an hour. 
I appreciate your time. 

966
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,840
Yeah, thank you. 
I really do. 

967
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,800
I want to know what what's the 
what do you want? 

968
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,720
You know, I know you said you're
doing it for fun and all this, 

969
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,240
but what do you really like? 
What's the future? 

970
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,840
What what have you? 
What do you want to accomplish 

971
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,240
together? 
What are some things you want to

972
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,480
do with chumming with the 
spirits next? 

973
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,280
You know, like I, I can just, 
you know, I can say for John and

974
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,040
I, we're certainly we're trying 
to hit more paracons this year. 

975
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,360
I want to do more crossovers 
with podcasts. 

976
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,800
I have like these little plans 
We want to get out there. 

977
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,960
We've done we've done a couple 
of like experiments. 

978
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,320
You know, we did like a group S 
this method and we want to do 

979
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,280
that again, but even bigger. 
We've we've been hitting some 

980
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,960
locations from from a different 
angle, using different things. 

981
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,360
Well, what is it for you guys? 
What? 

982
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,720
What is it for chumming with the
spirits that we should keep our 

983
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:01,440
eye out for in the future and. 
Before we answer that, I have an

984
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,600
experiment. 
You should try that. 

985
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,840
I don't think anybody else has 
ever tried a reverse estus 

986
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,840
experiment. 
What's that? 

987
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,680
What is it? 
What do you mean the? 

988
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200
Person wearing the headphones 
and the blind is no one asking 

989
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:18,840
the questions. 
Interesting, interesting. 

990
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,360
Maybe it'll give. 
You some answers I don't know, 

991
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,800
but you want to answer. 
What we're hoping for is to 

992
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,360
broaden the the paranormal, 
encrypted and UFO environment to

993
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,560
make it more comfortable for 
people to talk. 

994
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,000
We, we're going to do tons more 
cap collaborations. 

995
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,840
We do events. 
We, we actually are hosting an 

996
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,480
investigation at Sally House 
June 26th. 

997
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Tickets already sold out through
the city of Atchison. 

998
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,400
We do other events with other 
investigators, chairman and 

999
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,840
coloring. 
We have coloring books. 

1000
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,080
Get people together. 
Yeah, I love that. 

1001
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Check out our website. 
Cwtspodcast.com I and I'm, I'll 

1002
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,240
be honest, I made a little spoof
like like everybody's so dark 

1003
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,240
and gloomy in the paranormal. 
I put a Facebook page together 

1004
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,520
called Date Daylight Savings 
Paranormal Investigations, 

1005
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,680
investigate during the daytime 
and be able to take a nap before

1006
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,560
and after. 
We actually have a bunch of our 

1007
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,320
locations that are now doing big
time investigations from like 

1008
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,840
what is it from 11:00 to 2:00? 
It's like 5 people for 100 

1009
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,880
bucks. 
It's a lot more effect, you 

1010
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,600
know, a lot more cost effective.
But the reality is we have stuff

1011
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,800
happen while we're setting up 
during the middle of the day. 

1012
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,560
Most people don't, Most people 
think it's got to be dark and 

1013
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,480
gloomy. 
We're we're going to try to get.

1014
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,200
Some understand why isn't that 
crazy like I've had I used to do

1015
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,720
daytime documentation. 
I'd go walk a cemetery during 

1016
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,600
the day, but you still live 
during the day. 

1017
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,400
Well, when I do that, when I do 
the headstones short, but like I

1018
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,040
used to go places during the day
all the time. 

1019
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,040
People used to come at me and 
say when the sunlight is out, no

1020
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:09,280
spirits are active and I'm like 
24/7, man 3 AM, 3:00 PM. 

1021
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,720
You think it matters? 
You know, like. 

1022
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,040
Some of the best evidence I've 
ever caught was during the day. 

1023
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,760
Yeah, just filming. 
Getting. 

1024
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,440
Beatable footage and, you know, 
inadvertently catch something 

1025
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,480
moving in a shadow or shadow or 
something pops up wild stuff. 

1026
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,400
The the goal is to make it a 
little more friendly. 

1027
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,400
It's not doing you can enjoy 
what 1. 

1028
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,240
You know, there's a little bit 
of entertainment, but we're we 

1029
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,080
tried to be nice and and 
inviting and we want to do 

1030
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,360
stuff. 
We love meeting people. 

1031
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,080
We love hearing the stories 
doing stuff like this cross 

1032
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,560
pollinating podcast and and 
like, if you let us know where 

1033
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,400
you guys are going to be at, if,
if we're in the area, we'll, 

1034
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,640
we'll do our best to try to meet
up, you know, have dinner, lunch

1035
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,720
or catch you in a paracon 
because that's like you said, 

1036
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,360
it's a big enough pie, enough 
slices for everybody. 

1037
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,640
Not everybody well, but 
everybody likes pizza in 

1038
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,360
general. 
So. 

1039
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,680
You guys are incredibly kind. 
I love talking to you and I love

1040
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,640
watching and watching your your 
videos and and and seeing the 

1041
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,640
camaraderie that you create. 
I want to open up the floor to 

1042
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,880
since we are live to some folks 
in the chat a little bit and 

1043
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,400
see, I know there's somebody. 
Unfortunately, listen, I have to

1044
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,720
run, I have to travel a little 
bit to get some work. 

1045
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,240
Guys, thank you so much. 
You guys are awesome. 

1046
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,680
We try to keep the show to an 
hour, but sometimes when we go 

1047
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,680
over he's got to jump because he
has to get ready for his lives. 

1048
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,400
He goes live every night, but 
plus now that he's gone, fuck 

1049
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,320
that guy. 
No, he's he's huge on TikTok and

1050
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Instagram. 
No, we follow him over there 

1051
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,160
like this. 
He's the one that really started

1052
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,600
that whole. 
A a crazy stat for him was he's 

1053
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,680
primarily TikTok, right? 
It's where he got his real 

1054
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,680
following going. 
But he started focusing on 

1055
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Instagram. 
I don't know, a couple months 

1056
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,680
back he had 2000 people on 
there. 

1057
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,520
But he's like, I got to get this
bigger because I don't know what

1058
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,160
the future of Tik Tok's going to
hold guys. 

1059
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,720
He went from, he started posting
his videos on there and really 

1060
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,000
doing it. 
He went from 2000 followers to 

1061
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:13,560
200,000 followers in 36 hours. 
It was insane. 

1062
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,760
It was insane. 
But you know, he's got something

1063
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,160
like he's got that gift of gab, 
like you guys have that gift of 

1064
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,280
gab. 
He's out there. 

1065
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,040
He's out there. 
He's a live influencer every 

1066
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,160
night, you know, doing his 
thing. 

1067
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,720
Guys, I want to open the floor 
up to to some questions. 

1068
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Linda, I saw you. 
There's someone named Linda here

1069
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,200
who was wondering, I guess about
let me try to find. 

1070
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,040
OK. 
She said she's asking, aren't 

1071
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,000
you scared you'll come across 
angry ones? 

1072
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,280
I'm assuming she's, oh, she's 
talking about angry spirits like

1073
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,520
getting latched on to you. 
Have you guys ever dealt with 

1074
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,560
any kind of thing, anything like
that, like getting spirits like 

1075
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,080
or or and how do you protect 
yourselves, I guess from what 

1076
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,320
you believe to be like sort of a
dark force or dark energy or 

1077
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,200
dark spirit? 
So for me that that's been 

1078
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,280
pretty rare to come across that 
I'm I'm not saying they're not 

1079
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,840
out there. 
I've had something that was dark

1080
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,640
that told me to get out and it I
was already moving when it said 

1081
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,240
get out. 
It I no flight, no fight or 

1082
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,280
flight. 
It was just flight. 

1083
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,680
They told me to leave when I go 
in the haunted location. 

1084
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,160
I was in my 20s in the military.
You know, I would have fought a 

1085
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,400
tiger and that thing when it's 
it in my head told me get out 

1086
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,560
and I I was I was already 
walking out the door before I 

1087
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,120
realized I was even walking out 
the door. 

1088
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,880
I mean whatever it was was like 
my body said Nope, my bad and I 

1089
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,800
was gone. 
That was the only time and that 

1090
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,200
that felt non human. 
That was the only time I've come

1091
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,280
across something that was just 
did not feel normal. 

1092
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,600
Like we're all we're all humans.
And if we're dealing with human 

1093
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,040
spirits, there are some evil 
humans, there are some angry 

1094
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,520
humans. 
Sometimes you can make things 

1095
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,840
mad. 
I haven't had any attachments 

1096
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,120
come home with me. 
Neither have I No, they're just 

1097
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,640
already here. 
So I think some of it have to be

1098
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,880
with your, your faith, you know,
if you, if you're believing and,

1099
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,720
and, and I don't say I don't do 
prayers as much anymore, but I, 

1100
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,040
I have a strong belief I'm taken
care of. 

1101
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,520
You know, I believe in certain 
things And, and that's, that's 

1102
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,280
my belief. 
You know, I know other people's 

1103
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,000
we've had we've, we've done some
locations that other people had 

1104
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
issues like they had nightmares 
for weeks. 

1105
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,160
I've, I've, I've heard, I've 
interviewed some people too that

1106
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,000
feel that way, like they've had 
attachments or something, right?

1107
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,880
I I think the people that have 
generally are more like mediums 

1108
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,520
that they, they have more of a 
attunement that they kind of 

1109
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,680
stick out more if, if that makes
any sense, makes them more of a 

1110
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,040
magnet. 
Dude 100% I I've said this 1000 

1111
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,840
times and our regular listeners 
have heard me say this right I I

1112
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:02,360
think the intuitive nature of 
things is. 

1113
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,560
Like a muscle, like when you 
talk about sports, right, you 

1114
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,280
can't teach somebody to throw a 
fastball at 98 mph. 

1115
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,160
And I think we all have it an 
intuition, the, the flight or 

1116
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,600
fight or, you know, you get a 
weird vibe off somebody. 

1117
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,880
But I think some people, much 
like an athlete with their 

1118
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,080
ability might be wired up at a 
little bit higher up so that 

1119
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,240
that's a different connection. 
I, I think that's, I think 

1120
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,040
that's totally possible. 
I say this to John, right? 

1121
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,360
I think John is wired up higher 
than most. 

1122
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,680
I think the reactions he gets 
and the and the the from whether

1123
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,760
it's a spirit box or an app or 
whatever he's using, it's so 

1124
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,280
strange to me what he gets. 
And I think it's because he's on

1125
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,360
a different he's, he's just 
wired up different. 

1126
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,240
I've talked to a few people and 
they think they're actually kind

1127
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,240
of low. 
Like the the more in tuned we we

1128
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:56,840
put off light, basically we we 
literally the more you're into 

1129
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,120
it. 
Like they the other side sees 

1130
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,400
us. 
It just whether or not you're 

1131
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,200
glowing or you just dull or. 
So I can start calling myself 

1132
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,400
sure enough. 
Sure enough, yes. 

1133
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Or or or you just tell people 
you're pregnant. 

1134
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,120
Yeah, I will admit I, I do say, 
you know, I do. 

1135
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,240
I am polite, you know, I do 
introduce myself when I'm at a 

1136
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,480
location and when I leave, I, I 
do say thank you and, you know, 

1137
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,960
please stay here and then walk 
out. 

1138
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:25,960
You know, I don't know if 
that's. 

1139
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Yeah, just stay here or follow 
Larry. 

1140
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,240
Are you guys married with kids 
or anything? 

1141
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,880
Not to each other. 
I mean, maybe you are, but no, 

1142
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,960
I'm not kidding. 
Are you guys he's. 

1143
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Not my yes, I I'm married, I 
have a lot of kids. 

1144
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
No, my youngest is graduating 
high school this year, so 

1145
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,120
that's. 
I'm not you're not. 

1146
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,680
So no kids. 
So JD, how does your what does 

1147
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,680
your wife feel about your 
paranormal world that you're in?

1148
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,440
So she actually was there when 
we did our investigation. 

1149
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,360
So she knows Larry and yeah, so 
she was there, we did the did 

1150
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,720
the investigation. 
She she finds it interesting. 

1151
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,960
She's done a couple 
investigations with her friends.

1152
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,480
I just, I just give her all my 
equipment and they get to go and

1153
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,640
have fun, you know? 
So she's all in. 

1154
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,040
She's, she's, she's behind it. 
Oh. 

1155
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,480
Yeah, she's had enough 
experiences knowing me that, OK,

1156
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,120
she's open. 
I like. 

1157
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Yeah. 
I like to, I like to ask her 

1158
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,240
because now I'm new to this 
space. 

1159
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,920
So now I'm dealing with a spouse
and it's like, no, no, I got to 

1160
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,520
go. 
I'm, I'm interviewing a witch 

1161
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,880
tomorrow, you know, and it's 
like, all right, what you know, 

1162
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,560
it's and, and what's really 
great about that is like my, you

1163
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,480
know, my wife's like in her 
Stevie Nicks witch phase. 

1164
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,200
So she kind of loves that part 
of it. 

1165
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,320
You know, I think all women 
eventually go through it. 

1166
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,760
So my, my girlfriend was 
extraordinarily skeptical. 

1167
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,640
My my girlfriend was extremely 
skeptical of this stuff. 

1168
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,920
And then we took her on an 
investigation and she was like, 

1169
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,200
this is cool. 
I'm hooked. 

1170
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,120
Yeah, we, we literally had 
footsteps up the steps, like 

1171
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,720
clear as day. 
Somebody was coming up. 

1172
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,880
I turn and looked, there's 
nobody coming up. 

1173
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,680
She actually had a camera, 
checked the other set of stairs.

1174
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,880
It was all fun games. 
So to get in touch though, yeah.

1175
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,280
Yeah, she got touched in the 
basement of a Mortuary, and she 

1176
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,440
was, her eyes lit up like. 
During a live. 

1177
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,400
Where'd they touch her dude? 
On. 

1178
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,320
On the yeah. 
All right, So it wasn't it 

1179
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,600
totally inappropriate. 
No, no. 

1180
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,960
Well, some of them get a little 
handsy. 

1181
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,880
You you never know depending on 
where you're at. 

1182
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Someone's asking. 
Well, let's see, Heather's 

1183
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,680
asking, but I think you may have
answered this. 

1184
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,320
But how many like Cryptid 
excursions have you gone on? 

1185
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,640
I know you've done paranormal 
haunted house investigations, 

1186
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,200
but have you? 
Have you ever gone Bigfoot 

1187
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,640
hunting or chupacabra hunting or
have you ever done that? 

1188
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,320
So we've done 2 official Cryptid
investigations with drunk 

1189
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,640
encrypted. 
The first one we actually had 

1190
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:04,000
more paranormal, I would say 
activity and and there's a owl 

1191
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,280
involved in that one somewhere. 
We had to find the audio file it

1192
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,600
it literally sounded like to me,
maybe it heard a now on a old 

1193
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,160
record player trying to imitate 
a now. 

1194
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,680
Anyways, that one we had some 
eye shine and some stuff happen.

1195
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,160
This last one we just did. 
So would you consider Sky 

1196
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,760
watching Cryptid investigation? 
No, no, that's UFO. 

1197
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,280
The other one we just did again 
with drunk encrypted in northern

1198
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,000
Arkansas. 
Weird. 

1199
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,840
So we went to two private 
locations. 

1200
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,880
I had structures the first night
and we we got it was the first 

1201
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,520
time I ever heard the whoops 
like they literally look like on

1202
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,720
the on the Bigfoot shows. 
I was like, holy cow, that's 

1203
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,320
that sounds just like unless 
there's howler monkeys out in 

1204
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,120
Arkansas. 
I'm not saying there couldn't 

1205
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,560
be, but we we had that. 
We had some eye shine. 

1206
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,560
I got a video some eye shine 
that I use my equipment from 

1207
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,720
ghost hunting my IR stuff. 
And when you're in a house and 

1208
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,240
you have your night vision up, 
it's a little 2/2 and 1/2 inch 

1209
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,480
screen. 
You have a reference of how far 

1210
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,680
away door is because you can 
walk through it. 

1211
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,840
I did not realize that doesn't 
work in the in the outdoors. 

1212
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,640
So I'm seeing this creature 
that's got two eyes facing 

1213
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,560
towards me. 
I'm lit up with a a a light. 

1214
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,920
It's moving around about four 
foot high. 

1215
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,480
It moves and it's kind of hiding
behind this branch and then it 

1216
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,040
finally disappears. 
I heard it in the I heard it 

1217
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680
ruffle. 
That's why I turned and saw it. 

1218
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,080
I'm tracking it. 
It disappears. 

1219
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,560
So I get up to walk over to it 
and I don't hear it lead, but 

1220
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,360
the eye shines gone. 
I don't see it anywhere. 

1221
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,640
I kicked my headlamp on. 
I'm thinking I'm 20 foot away. 

1222
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,160
I'm like 10. 
I was like, oh, that was a lot 

1223
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,400
closer because I'm looking 
through this little tiny screen 

1224
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,720
thinking it's way out there. 
So we have film footage of that.

1225
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,480
We go back to the campsite, 
which it's a regular campsite. 

1226
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,600
You pay 30 bucks for a weekend 
camp by the river. 

1227
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:04,320
The first night I got, I woke up
at Hughes restroom, lay back 

1228
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,680
down and then we started getting
whoops at the campsite in the 

1229
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,600
middle of the night. 
I heard chattering like they, 

1230
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,160
they, some of the audio would 
just sound like two things we're

1231
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,040
talking. 
Had the whoops, We talked. 

1232
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,760
There's about 40 of us camping 
in this location because it was 

1233
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,040
a Bigfoot convention. 
Asked everybody. 

1234
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Everybody was like, yeah, that 
woke us up. 

1235
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,360
It was loud enough to wake 
people up. 

1236
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,840
People were hearing things 
moving around the campsite. 

1237
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,000
What part of what part of 
Arkansas is this? 

1238
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,120
People are asking what part of 
Arkansas is this in? 

1239
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,320
North Central Arkansas, It's in 
kind of in between Little Rock 

1240
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,440
and Fayetteville. 
It was, it was. 

1241
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,600
Oh gosh, I'd have to look it up 
on a map again. 

1242
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,400
It's about an hour and a half 
north of of Little Rock, but not

1243
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,880
like almost in between. 
There's a there's a the the 

1244
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,120
river. 
What do you bring with you to 

1245
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,000
kill it? 
Nothing. 

1246
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,720
If you were to go bear hunt, 
you'd have like pepper spray and

1247
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,160
you'd have a gun. 
You're telling me you go out 

1248
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,280
like you go hug big feet and 
you're just sort of like, I 

1249
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,680
guess if I run into one, you're 
not you don't have like a silver

1250
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,400
bullet or a like, what do you 
have to stop it? 

1251
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,320
We have flashlights. 
No, I, I, there were, there was 

1252
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,000
we would have been able to stop 
a small army if if something was

1253
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,800
shown up. 
Majority of us are, are armed 

1254
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,680
when we're out in the wood 
looking because there are black 

1255
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,040
bears, there are mountain lions,
there are Bobcats, there are 

1256
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,280
coyotes. 
There are things that that we 

1257
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:41,000
know exist is going to give you,
you know, can either kill you or

1258
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,760
maim you. 
So you, you do have stuff like 

1259
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,360
that. 
You're not, you're not planning 

1260
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,960
on shooting because like a lot 
of people don't realize like, 

1261
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,880
OK, you shoot the Bigfoot. 
What do you do about the three 

1262
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,960
others you didn't see? 
Well, it also begs the question,

1263
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,120
what if it wasn't a Bigfoot? 
Now you just committed murder. 

1264
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,600
Yeah, boys, This is why I can 
never have a gun. 

1265
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,080
And people, you know, it's like 
I can't. 

1266
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,640
I can never be a police officer.
I have a lot of respect for the 

1267
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,880
job. 
I can't do it. 

1268
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,040
I don't have the mentality for 
it because if you give me a gun,

1269
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,359
I'm shooting you with it and 
straight up you put me. 

1270
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,479
No, you make, if you make me 
afraid, if you make me afraid in

1271
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,800
any possible way and I have a 
weapon on me, you're getting 

1272
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,560
shot. 
And it's like, that's why I can 

1273
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,040
never be. 
I don't have the, the, the 

1274
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,840
mindset to be A, to be a cop. 
And it's like if I'm hunting 

1275
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,840
Bigfoot and some big giant 
thing, you know, comes running 

1276
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:46,600
out at me, listen, I've just 
killed the first sighting of 

1277
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,359
Bigfoot the world's ever seen 
and I'm going to be that guy. 

1278
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,720
It's like, so never going to 
kill the Bigfoot. 

1279
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,720
Oh. 
There's, there's, there's also 

1280
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,240
the story of OK, why? 
Why isn't there that many 

1281
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,399
recordings of aggressive 
Bigfoot? 

1282
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,040
Well, it's because if they're 
actually that aggressive, you 

1283
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,880
probably don't get a story after
that, no. 

1284
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:11,000
Right, right. 
You know, so there's something 

1285
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,600
about but it's it's no different
than going into haunted 

1286
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,279
location. 
You you know, there's something 

1287
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:17,880
there. 
You think there's something 

1288
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,640
there. 
Like that's the first time I've 

1289
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,600
ever heard the whoops. 
I've camped out in a long, you 

1290
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,000
know, all over Kansas. 
I've never heard anything like 

1291
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,080
it. 
We had a whale. 

1292
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,080
Screams. 
Yeah, we had a second. 

1293
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,319
I were terrified. 
Yeah, and it well, at some point

1294
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:33,840
we'll see if we can get you some
files. 

1295
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,160
We're putting them up on our 
website, whichiscwtspodcast.com.

1296
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:41,960
We have an evidence tab that 
that's where we have most of our

1297
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,240
evidence for like the ball 
bouncing out of the closet and 

1298
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,479
thermal off of the Garnet house.
We have Sally House footage, we 

1299
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,200
have Ellenwood. 
We're going to have the eyes 

1300
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,840
shine because eyes shine is 
pretty. 

1301
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:59,400
It was pretty weird because if 
if four facing eyes at 4 foot 

1302
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,400
tall, that's one really big 
coyote or a really big Panther. 

1303
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,640
Well, the most interesting thing
about that is I put it, I put it

1304
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,120
through some software and I 
inverted the photography to like

1305
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,600
the negative version. 
Of the image and you don't see a

1306
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,600
body. 
There's no body associated with 

1307
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,720
the eyes. 
The thighs are glowing and that 

1308
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,320
was the problem I was running 
into is I'd hit it with the IR 

1309
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,520
spotlight makes the eyes shine 
more, but I couldn't, I couldn't

1310
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,440
see an outline of whatever the 
eyes were. 

1311
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,560
And they're moving around. 
But we'll get you some copies of

1312
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,640
that. 
Gentlemen, I tell you this is 

1313
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,040
like, first of all, it's I'm not
in, I'm not what you would call 

1314
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,280
an outdoorsman. 
So it's like there's nothing 

1315
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,680
that sounds fun about any of 
that. 

1316
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,360
And it's it's just sounds even 
scarier and more horrible. 

1317
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,320
Like I, I was at the Shanley 
Hotel the other night. 

1318
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,400
I heard the blinds make a noise 
and I got wigged out. 

1319
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,320
Like, I'm not going to be in the
middle of the fucking woods and 

1320
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:02,480
hear, you know, something 
wrestling could potentially like

1321
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:06,640
eat me and not like, guys, I'm 
getting back in the car. 

1322
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,400
I'm out of here. 
It's like, you know? 

1323
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,760
I'm not fair. 
That's a fair statement. 

1324
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,720
Have you done any haunted 
locations yet? 

1325
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,640
Have you? 
Dude, I was at the Shanley Hotel

1326
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,360
yesterday. 
Last night for. 

1327
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,440
Three hours. 
That's a beautiful location. 

1328
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:26,960
It's a wild location. 
So we went. 

1329
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,640
We did a little like I have this
spirit box, an SB-7 that I've 

1330
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,960
sort of jiggered with some 
guitar pedals. 

1331
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,280
I call it Ghost Fire, which is 
like my sort of sound box. 

1332
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,040
And we did that for about an 
hour and then I just hung out 

1333
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,160
with John's live. 
I heard this noise and I said I 

1334
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,640
got to go and then I'm out. 
And then that was like the 

1335
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,520
weird, the weird thing, you 
know, I was like, I'm done. 

1336
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,120
I'm talking about. 
You hear a pair of naked. 

1337
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,880
Yeah, dude, 100%. 
I'm with you 100%. 

1338
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:59,360
Once you hear it and it's like, 
OK, how much? 

1339
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,000
How do I need to hear more? 
Why do I got to hear more? 

1340
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,960
Like what? 
What am I going to get? 

1341
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,600
It's like got it time. 
Like it's like, let's go. 

1342
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,640
All right, like, you know, let's
just go. 

1343
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,760
I get it. 
And by the way, I am here to 

1344
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,320
learn from you. 
I'm the I'm it's like if I were 

1345
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,800
a cop, I'd be like, listen, 
you're on desk, you know, you're

1346
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,440
on desk duty, but you know, son 
officer, you're being suspended 

1347
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,840
and knocked down to the desk. 
I'll be like, sounds great. 

1348
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,760
I don't want to be in the field.
I'll be the desk guy. 

1349
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,280
I'll do the reports. 
I'll type it up. 

1350
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,440
I'll there'd. 
Be somebody recording. 

1351
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,800
Yeah, that's it. 
I'm the desk guy. 

1352
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,440
I want to interview. 
I want to do like this. 

1353
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,560
I don't need to be like in the 
thing, you know what I mean? 

1354
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,120
But I would, I would go out 
every now and then, get in and 

1355
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,760
do it. 
I I am more interested in it, 

1356
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,960
but I'm not staying like, 
because it's, here's the other 

1357
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,240
thing too, man. 
And I said, I've said this 

1358
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,440
before. 
It's never The Four Seasons 

1359
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,000
that's haunted. 
It's this fucking insane asylum 

1360
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,000
or it's this old like rundown 
thing where you can get tetanus.

1361
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,240
It's like, you know, why can't 
it be, you know, like this beach

1362
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,560
resort, the haunted beach 
cocktail bar, like I'm in. 

1363
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,760
Well, I can do that. 
Actually, it's never. 

1364
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:17,480
California Hotel Coronado Hotel 
Coronado in San Diego is pretty 

1365
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,800
supposedly pretty hot. 
You know, like that's, I could 

1366
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,880
probably check that one out and 
see, but that's what I'm talking

1367
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,080
about, right? 
These places are rare. 

1368
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,520
It's usually this, it's this old
jail, or it's this, it's this 

1369
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,920
abandoned schoolhouse. 
But we prefer to have AC and 

1370
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,320
heating, you know that. 
Yeah, the Queen Mary they you 

1371
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,600
can spend the night. 
They that's supposedly a really 

1372
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,160
neat location. 
Oh yeah, that is, that is a cool

1373
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,960
one. 
That's about an hour from me in 

1374
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,320
LA. 
It's about, it's in Long Beach. 

1375
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,960
It's not bad. 
That is a good one. 

1376
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,960
I can go down there, but it's 
like I'm not going to go by 

1377
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,640
myself. 
You got to be nuts. 

1378
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,960
That's not that's not happening.
It's not happening. 

1379
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,840
We'll. 
Just have to fly out there. 

1380
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,560
Oh, it would be great dude. 
I'll go with you guys any day of

1381
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:00,880
the week. 
I'm sending you in first. 

1382
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,040
You guys can protect me and be 
the wall in front of me. 

1383
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,920
It's like go. 
Listen guys, I got to tell you, 

1384
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,720
I love having you on. 
I really love meeting you face 

1385
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,920
to face. 
I do hope we get together in 

1386
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,280
person one of these days. 
And I'm sure we will as as we 

1387
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,240
all progress in this, in this 
venture, remind everybody, tell 

1388
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,480
everybody one more time where to
where to find you, where, where 

1389
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:27,560
the number one link is for you. 
Number one link is is going to 

1390
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,400
be YouTube channel with the 
spirits, our number one 

1391
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,600
paranormal podcast with a shark 
logo. 

1392
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,360
It's a great logo. 
Yeah, throw that shark logo in 

1393
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,960
there. 
It's a great logo. 

1394
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:43,200
We also have our own website, 
which is cwtspodcast.com. 

1395
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,440
And then go from there. 
If you look up just chummy with 

1396
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:49,680
the spirits, we generally show 
up within the first one or two 

1397
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,600
lines. 
If you see the shark, it's us. 

1398
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,280
It's the easiest way. 
Yeah, I mean, who's who's 

1399
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,280
copying that? 
There's no copycash for that 

1400
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:56,800
dude. 
It's great. 

1401
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,240
It's wonderfully original. 
These guys are the best. 

1402
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,760
If you're, if you're watching us
on Santa Paranormal, be sure to 

1403
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,560
go over to Splintered Spirits 
and give us a like and subscribe

1404
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,680
and also go over to Chumming 
with the spirits. 

1405
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,480
It's not that hard guys. 
Everybody out there, I know you 

1406
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,480
always like oh, to jump over to 
another web page. 

1407
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,120
How it's like, oh, how 
strenuous. 

1408
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,600
Just do it. 
Just hop over and give it a like

1409
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,480
it's not it's just give it a 
follow. 

1410
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:22,440
It's free on all your platforms 
wherever you're at. 

1411
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,560
These guys are great. 
And fellas, look, I really thank

1412
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,400
you for your time. 
Thanks for having us. 

1413
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,240
Thank you very much. 
Having you guys come on to our 

1414
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,800
show. 
We'll be in Riverside. 

1415
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,240
We'll get something figured out 
to make sure everybody can link 

1416
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,200
to what they need to. 
Let's just figure out a date, 

1417
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,800
man. 
Fellas, be safe out there, don't

1418
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:45,240
stand in Larry's way when he's 
running scared, and have fun. 

1419
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,880
I love it. 
I'll be looking forward to 01 

1420
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:48,600
more Thing. 
Who? 

1421
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,280
What's next? 
What's the next episode for you?

1422
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,160
When, when is it coming out and 
what's your next drop? 

1423
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,080
Tomorrow, actually, we're we did
an interview with the owner of 

1424
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,680
the Slinker Mortuary from Iowa, 
Kansas. 

1425
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,120
Her name is Tori Westhoff and 
she talks about how she got into

1426
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,560
owning a. 
A paranormal. 

1427
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,880
Paranormal location, so that'll 
be dropping right there tomorrow

1428
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,480
or when I re dropped this 
episode on Friday, April 3rd 

1429
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,200
everybody. 
So that's please give these guys

1430
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,480
a follow up. 
Give it a listen. 

1431
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,560
You're not going to hear too 
nicer guys and a more 

1432
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,760
comfortable conversation about 
spirits. 

1433
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,120
In my opinion. 
It's really great when I when I 

1434
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,920
watch you guys, it's I'm envious
of it. 

1435
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,560
I love it. 
So thanks again. 

1436
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,760
Have a wonderful night and I 
will talk to you soon. 

1437
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,120
Stay safe. 
Thank you, fellas. 

1438
01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:45,800
Well, that's it for another 
episode of Splintered Spirits. 

1439
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,640
Be sure to like, share, and 
subscribe to our YouTube 

1440
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,880
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you get your podcasts. 

1441
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,280
Until next time, stay curious.