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All right, here we go. 
So my name is Gary, and I'm here

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talking to my nephew Johnny. 
Gotta speak. 

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Let's try it again. 
Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a

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podcast hosted by me, Gary, and 
my nephew Johnny, where I'll be 

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documenting Johnny as he tries 
to prove his theory about what 

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ghosts are. 
You heard me right, ghosts. 

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But that's not how this podcast 
started out. 

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I've been in the entertainment 
business for years kicking and 

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clawing for those rare wins. 
Meanwhile, Johnny's out there 

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making a killing on TikTok by 
talking to the dead. 

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With the state of the 
entertainment industry the way 

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it is. 
The idea behind this podcast 

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started out as traditional media
creator me trying to get some 

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insight into the social media 
world. 

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I mean his at Santa paranormal 
TikTok feed at the time of this 

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recording has over 900,000 
followers. 

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His success has made me question
all of my life choices, which 

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I'm sure you don't want to hear 
about and are thinking. 

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Thanks pal. 
Just put the in the bag. 

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But over the course of this 
interview, what started as 

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professional fascination and 
includes Johnny's haunted 

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beginnings turns into something 
more proactive and fun. 

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And the idea of a podcast about 
the differences in media, which 

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was probably boring and stupid 
to begin with, might become a 

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fun investigative series into 
the unknown. 

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And Oh yeah, you're going to 
hear ghosts too. 

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So let's dive into the 
conversation and see where it 

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takes us. 
Hey, everybody, my name is Gary.

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I'm talking to my nephew Johnny.
Say hello. 

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What's? 
Going on, John. 

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And I'm wanting to talk to my 
nephew today because what he 

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does for a living is unlike 
anybody or anything I've ever 

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heard. 
He is a TikTok phenom. 

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He has over seven 750,000 
followers. 

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And it's not because he does 
dance moves or his makeup tips 

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or his healthy recipes. 
He's on there because he talks 

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to the dead. 
Do I have that right? 

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Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 
I mean, listen, I tried makeup, 

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I tried dance moves. 
It just wasn't for me, so. 

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This is what clicked so you can 
find him on TikTok at Santa 

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Paranormal and he's got a 
really, you know, and we're 

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going to get into it because I 
want to talk to him how he got 

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there, how he found out that he 
had this skill. 

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And hopefully at the end of 
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we'll actually have a 
conversation with some of these 

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spirits that he talks to. 
But first, Johnny, you got to 

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tell me, man, when was your 
first paranormal experience? 

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So my first paranormal 
experience, where I was old 

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enough to gauge what was 
actually happening, was actually

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right across the street from 
where I'm at right now. 

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And that's an old Firehouse that
was built in the 1800s. 

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I used to be a parliamentary 
officer for the company I was 

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in, and I was doing some 
secretary work late at night 

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because I'm a night owl 
naturally. 

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And I saw somebody staring at me
through the parlor doors, 

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peeking through the window. 
And there's normal, normally 

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there's nobody there late at 
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And when I got up to investigate
it, there was nobody there. 

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This was happening to me 
repeatedly while I was sitting 

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there at the computer and doing 
doing some work, and I actually 

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launched my first very improv 
investigation to see if I could 

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communicate with the entity at 
the time this is going what? 

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Did you see, Do you remember 
exactly what you saw? 

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Oh, I remember exactly what I 
saw. 

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I saw an older man in, you know,
7075 years old approximately, 

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and he was a little short, 
little hunched and just very 

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curious as to what I was doing. 
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investigation didn't yield much,
but from talking to other people

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in the fire department, I ended 
up finding out that he is an 

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entity that is always seen there
by multiple people and he was a 

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janitor and he was a janitor 
there for decades. 

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So and you know, unfortunately I
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Spirit. 
But so you were just sitting, 

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you're sitting at a computer in 
the Firehouse. 

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Yep. 
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felt something or you. 
Where I was sitting like let's 

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say this is the the setup and 
where, you know, where this 

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phone is right now is exactly 
where it is. 

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I'm literally sitting at the 
computer and you know, you're at

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a computer, especially with the 
big screens back in the day, you

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know, you lean over a little bit
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of you. 
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And that's when I spotted the 
entity staring at me from like 

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down at least at least 20 feet 
down because the room was a big 

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parlour room. 
Did you shit yourself at all? 

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No, at first I was like, at 
first I was like, who the hell 

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spying on me, You know, See if I
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Was in the room. 
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Did you get up and walk over 
there and go like, what the hell

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like. 
What, twice, Twice. 

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Initially twice I thought it was
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somebody was drinking or 
somebody was just curious of 

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what I was doing. 
I thought somebody was messing 

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with me at first. 
I had a lot of thoughts going 

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through my mind. 
You know, this is a Firehouse 

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that has over 300 volunteers at 
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a number of anybody in there, 
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OK, so that's your first 
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You see this? 
Ghost as an adult As an adult. 

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And then you, you know, you're 
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OK, you wanted to find out more.
And then is that when did you 

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start investigating the 
Firehouse? 

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And what does that mean 
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What did you do? 
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this is 2002 and we, you know, 
we didn't have much to, you 

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know, to use back then to 
investigate. 

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So I set up a camcorder trying 
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I had a voice recorder trying to
capture the entity speaking and 

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I, what else was I doing then? 
I think that was it. 

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That's all. 
That's all I really had at my 

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disposal at the time, so. 
And nothing came through. 

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You couldn't get. 
Anything. 

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Nothing. 
Nothing. 

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Couldn't get anything. 
So, OK, so where do you go from 

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there? 
What's the next phase in this 

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becoming, you know, Santa 
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that's 2002. 
That's 2002. 

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So then after that I did other, 
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and more and I started 
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and places where people are 
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haunted, come check it out. 
And I and I'd go check it out. 

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What's wrong? 
Baby cats? 

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Just me out at the wall. 
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So I'm doing, you know, 
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know, people's houses, things of
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And then by 2009, I started 
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businesses and, and, you know, 
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activity that weren't even in my
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So what was the first? 
Where was the first time that 

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you actually spoke to a spirit? 
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spoke to a spirit was at a place
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It was called Smalley's Inn in 
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hold on one second. 
Hey, come on bossy, you got to 

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stop baby. 
Come here. 

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Come on. 
I just want attention. 

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Come here. 
You're very distracting when you

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start getting like that. 
So the first place, the 1st 

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place I went to was Smalley's 
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And the story with that place 
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like the sheriff, the coroner, 
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town. 
And he had a daughter that had 

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Down syndrome, you know, back in
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They, you know, those things 
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He unfortunately kept her locked
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10-11 years and then decided to 
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it, and he drowned her. 
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actually in the basement. 
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and actually gave her a 
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this headstone and then the 
activity just boomed in this 

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place. 
I learned a lot of things from 

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this place, which is why I'm 
bringing it up. 

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So tell yeah, tell me. 
I want to hear all about it. 

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So this is the you knew this 
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that's why you went there. 
Well, I heard the place was 

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haunted. 
I didn't know any of this. 

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We learned all this when we got 
there, OK? 

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We just heard it was a very 
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And so I go there, I find out 
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I see that the headstone itself 
and then again I bust out I had 

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two at this point now 2009, I 
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I had an FMM radio that I 
manipulated myself by removing 

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the tab so it would constantly 
scan and go and scan through 

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radio waves. 
And I had my, you know, my 

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recorder. 
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digital. 
It was no longer on a cassette 

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tape. 
Now we're, you know, now we're 

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rocking with digital. 
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was actually with this little 
girl was with this little girl 

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and she, you know, very soft 
spoken, sounded like a 1011 year

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old girl talking about how she 
loves her dad, but her dad 

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doesn't like her, how she never 
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You know, all these hey, what is
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I hold on. 
It's all right. 

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I don't know. 
What What is wrong with you, 

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girl? 
It's OK. 

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It's just my big doctor. 
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anyway. 
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So. 

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So I'm having this this this 
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She's talking about how her 
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her outside. 
And she loves her father so much

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her mother barely talks to her. 
You can tell that, you know, it 

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was, you know, of course back 
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But now in today's times, that 
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But that's how they handled 
people like this back in the 

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day, unfortunately. 
So she's telling us all this in,

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in, in, in the way a little a 
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girl would, you know? 
And, and the order, I wish I 

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still had it. 
This is going all the way back. 

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I just remember how broken up it
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You can tell you were speaking 
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So at the same location, we also
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recorder of an entity. 
You saw it had a top hat, a 

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face, and then it zoomed right 
by us. 

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And then came the greatest 
lesson of all with the 

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paranormal and why I am 90% 
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The people who own this place 
were also messing with us. 

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They were the entire time 
flipping off the light switches.

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They had a three-way light 
switch so they could control 

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lights from the top, you know 
the first floor to the basement.

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They were flipping them on and 
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I have a little knowledge of 
electrical, so I was able to 

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tell by the wiring just by 
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Rudimentary BX wiring. 
I'm like wait a minute, that's a

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three-way, you know, flipping 
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They were throwing stuff at us 
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They would never let us in the 
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There was two sides to this 
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went down, and I wanted to split
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there. 
They wouldn't let us do it. 

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They kept us all on one side and
every time we were there they 

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were messing with us, throwing 
plates through the wall, all 

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sorts of things. 
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that even in places that are 
extremely haunted, you still 

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can't trump trust the human 
element that people will 

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embellish and people will lie, 
especially when it comes to 

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money in business. 
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main reasons why I'm actually, I
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I'm 10% a believer. 
It takes a lot. 

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And this is my success on TikTok
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instead of putting the bar here,
I put the bar all the way up. 

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Yeah, I put the bar high. 
And there are many things that 

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other people would consider 
evidence that I dismiss, that I 

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want absolutely nothing to do 
with because it's just not, you 

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know? 
You don't buy it. 

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I don't buy it. 
So OK, that's your first time 

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you start having a conversation 
with the spirit. 

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Yes. 
Is this little girl? 

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Is this little girl and and and 
then does it start to happen to 

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you more frequently or did you 
have to create? 

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No, after, after smallies, you 
know, you know, life, life took 

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place. 
You know, I end up starting 

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having children, you know, you 
know, work, you know everything.

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And investigation slowed down. 
I really didn't do much. 

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I tried it again a little bit in
2015 and then just realized I 

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wouldn't have the time to 
dedicate to, you know, actually 

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doing this. 
And then it wasn't until COVID. 

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It wasn't until COVID that I 
lost my job like so many other 

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people. 
And I said and, and, and the 

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place where I lived is extremely
haunted and I knew this and I 

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ended up having to take the 
supers job of this of this 

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building which put me in the. 
Basement real quick tell tell us

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about your your apartment 
building. 

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So my apartment building the the
original structure down in the 

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basement goes back to the 1700s.
It was an outpost. 

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It used in the expansion of Saw 
Pit, which is what this area was

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called. 
And it was one of the one of 

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three outposts that was built. 
And by the Revolutionary War, 

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the British came to, Saw Pit and
steamrolled everything. 

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It wasn't until the Battle of 
White Plains that George 

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Washington stood ground. 
Everything up until Salt Pit was

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wiped out and the outpost itself
was taken, was destroyed. 

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All that was left was a couple 
of walls, and that's it. 

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By 1860, a very wealthy man 
named Edward ended up building 

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on the outpost his retirement 
home. 

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And he wasn't. 
He was a very evil man himself, 

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So, and he did a lot of like, a 
lot of horrible things that 

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unfortunately you really can't 
find, you know, in newspapers or

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in the news back in the day 
because the rich and powerful, 

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they still cover things up. 
But back then it was even easier

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for him. 
So this man had this place. 

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He ends up dying, and then it 
becomes a temporary hospital 

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during the Spanish flu. 
This is where people start 

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dropping like flies. 
Maybe you know, you know, a 

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couple of a month when Edward 
was there. 

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But now that it's a temporary 
hospital for the Spanish flu, 

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people are dying left and right 
in this place. 

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Then nobody wanted anything to 
do with with the estate after 

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the Spanish flu except for one 
investor bought it and turned it

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into an actual hospital. 
And that hospital was called 

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Regent Hill Hospital because it 
looked over Regent Street and 

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that didn't go well. 
They ended up building United 

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Hospital, which was built in the
30s, and then that became an 

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apartment building. 
And it's still an apartment 

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building and I live there now. 
So that's basically. 

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And you found a lot of activity 
in your own basement, is that 

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correct? 
Yes, yes, an insane amount from 

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visually and everything from 
audio. 

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It's a visual happens in that. 
So I want to know this, when did

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you really start to have 
conversations? 

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When was the first moment? 
Was it here in this building in 

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in the basement where we like 
now I've got a device that 

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helped me get to have 
conversation when when did that 

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and what was the first that's. 
Exactly. 

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That's exactly what happened. 
I realized how haunted the 

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basement was and I said, you 
know what? 

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I'm not working right now. 
Other than being the Super of 

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this place. 
It's only 20 apartments. 

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So it's not a crazy, crazy job. 
A lot of downtime. 

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So I'm like, look, you know, 
let's see what the technology's 

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like and then realize that from 
when I last did it, everything 

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changed. 
They now have EMF readers. 

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They now have built devices. 
You don't have to make your own.

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They now have portal boxes. 
They now have apps based off the

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magno meter on your phone. 
Everything was different. 

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I dove right in, I fired them up
and they just started talking. 

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And then I find out that other 
people are using the same 

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equipment and getting nowhere 
near the same results that I am.

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And then? 
Why do you think that is dude? 

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Why do you think you are 
connected to the spirits in a 

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way that they want to talk to 
you? 

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What is it? 
I firmly believe that it has to 

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do with my magnetic field. 
I I believe that each and every 

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one of us, we we all have a 
magnetic field. 

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That's science. 
That this isn't hocus pocus. 

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That's what you know, what's it 
called? 

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Not EKG. 
The, I forgot what side. 

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I can't think off the top of my 
head right now. 

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What scientific medical 
equipment monitors your magnetic

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field for your heart? 
Oh, yeah. 

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It is an EKG, the EKG machine, 
you know, that tests your heart.

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What they're actually testing is
your magnetic field. 

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And if you're back, if there's 
something wrong with your heart,

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your magnetic field is going to 
show that because your magnetic 

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field is produced by the active 
current by your heart, your 

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blood pumping through your body.
So I think that some of us, for 

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whatever reason, have a magnetic
field that's a little different,

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where it attracts spirits, it 
makes them talk, you know, 

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things of such nature. 
And I think it's a scientific 

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thing. 
I don't think it's a gift from 

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God or some other being or 
aliens. 

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I think it's just a human based 
attribute. 

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And that's what made. 
OK, so all right, so you 

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something about you, yeah, you 
feel gives off the energy that 

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when you're using all these 
things because anybody could buy

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this stuff. 
That's what made that's what 

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makes it like you have this 
certain connection and you have 

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these conversations with them. 
Well, that's bananas. 

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I mean, it's absolutely crazy 
because you're doing, I mean, 

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I've seen it, I've seen the 
videos. 

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When did you get into? 
All right, so now you're doing 

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this. 
You're primarily doing it in 

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your basement. 
When did you start going out in 

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the field with this stuff and 
really start, you know, I know 

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you do, you know, with grave and
all the other things like how 

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did you make that move in that 
transition? 

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This basement, unfortunately, is
very toxic. 

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It was toxic to me. 
It was toxic to my followers. 

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People were being affected. 
People were being affected by 

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the place. 
What do you mean affected? 

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Like some would have physical 
issues while other people would 

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just become completely nasty and
disgusting. 

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We're talking about like people 
that have been watching me for 

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months that were completely 
fine, and then all the sudden 

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you start to hear from like 
their family members, hey, 

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there's been a real mental 
decline in this person since 

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they started watching you. 
We're not going to have them 

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watch you anymore. 
You know, we're intervening, 

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which isn't good. 
If you're running a social media

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community based platform, you 
need that. 

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And it was literally destroying 
my community that I was 

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building. 
As I'm documenting, you're 

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saying good for me. 
Either So I'm clear you believe 

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that by highlighting and having 
conversations in your basement, 

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whatever the spirits that were 
manifesting themselves there to 

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you was then affecting not only 
you but your listeners and 

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watchers. 
So it, it, it wasn't the fact 

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that I was having the 
conversations with what I was 

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doing was leaving the camera 
rolling after I went to bed. 

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And there would be almost like 
24 hour streams happening where 

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people where hundreds of people 
are sitting there at their homes

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watching either like the 
fireplace room, which is a room 

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in the building, or the 
abandoned side, which is another

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wing of the building that's now 
abandoned. 

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And it was the constant hours 
these people were putting into 

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this that were actually mentally
and physically affecting them. 

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I, I had to make a change, but I
still wanted to document. 

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So I thought to myself, where 
else would spirits speak to me? 

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And in large abundance? 
Well, let's try a cemetery. 

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And I went to a cemetery and 
something that no one even in 

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the paranormal field ever 
thought like, hey, there's not 

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spirits at a cemetery. 
It's just stone, marble, granite

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and dirt. 
No, there's something about a 

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quantum connection to a final 
resting place or a memorial that

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will tether some memories at 
location. 

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And thus was born in the 
cemetery walks. 

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Obviously that's a big part of 
your talk is to these cemeteries

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and your cleaning graves and 
volunteering and having 

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conversations. 
Do you have? 

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So all right, so now you do this
a lot. 

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Do you have repeat spirits? 
Do you have any like spirits 

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that constantly want to connect 
with you? 

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So. 
And why do you think that is? 

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I wouldn't. 
I wouldn't use the words 

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connecting with me because the 
way I like to, the way I like to

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do it is I like to go to 
location and just document 

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what's coming through. 
I don't even speak to the 

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spirits most of the time. 
I speak to my audience. 

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And then if something comes 
through and speaks and I feel 

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that it's actually speaking to 
us, and then I'll engage it. 

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Most of the time I'll just 
ignore it. 

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Now, to answer your question 
about repeat spirits, yes, 

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there's no guarantee they're 
going to come through, but I've 

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had repeat conversations with 
the same spirit over and over. 

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What do you now? 
What is your explanation? 

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Like most people think of ghosts
and stuff that are spirits that 

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are still floating around that 
they have unfinished business 

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and they're. 
Not traveling. 

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What do you? 
What's your theory on all this? 

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So, so the whole unfinished 
business 3 AMI like to call that

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the romantic paranormal 
nonsense. 

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It's actually all that is, is 
all, all reasons why no one 

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takes this field seriously. 
I believe there's a scientific 

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reason for it. 
As you know, energy can't be 

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created nor destroyed. 
It can only be transferred. 

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That's science, basic science. 
We know that. 

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We've been learning that since 
we were children. 

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The energy in our brains that 
that whoever you want to say 

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it's a charge of +70 millivolts 
of sodium and potassium 

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switching in the myelin sheath, 
causing our movements, causing 

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our thoughts, all of that, that 
charge, that electrical charge 

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that can't be destroyed once we 
die, it goes against the laws of

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physics. 
It has to go somewhere. 

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And what is it? 
What exactly is that? 

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Well, think of it like this. 
You know how some people when 

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they get blood transfusions 
constantly or they receive an 

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organ from a donor, they begin 
to get attributes from the organ

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Donor memories, feelings, new 
food cravings, new hobbies, 

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interest in music. 
There's even been reports going 

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as extreme as being able to play
an instrument that their donor 

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was able to play. 
It's the same concept. 

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It's those memories. 
It's what makes us, us. 

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Not only can they be transferred
per human, but when we die, they

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don't disappear. 
They connect with matter. 

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At least I personally believe, 
you know, this is all 

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theoretical, but I believe 
that's what that's what explains

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it. 
So when I'm speaking to a 

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spirit, it's the spirits of 
memory. 

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It's the actual memories of the 
spirit. 

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Got it. 
What would you say? 

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All right. 
And then. 

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And then I want to see if we 
could try to talk to see if we 

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can get any. 
But what do you, you know, look,

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I, I'm sure there's other people
who try to do what you do or 

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they're critics of what you do. 
What are your biggest critics? 

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And these first tell me about 
what the critics say. 

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And then tell me about the 
copycats and what you think 

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makes you stand out. 
So first tell me about show. 

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There's there's there's two, 
there's two types of critics, 

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right? 
There are the critics that are 

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in my field that do what I do, 
that don't get the same 

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responses, don't get the same 
conversations. 

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They think I'm using, you know, 
a sound board and pushing 

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buttons and whatnot. 
Even though in my video, 

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especially when I'm cleaning 
graves, you could clearly tell 

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none of that is happening. 
Then there's the critics, 

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obviously, that have nothing to 
do with the paranormal. 

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They don't believe in it and 
they speak from, you know, oh, 

453
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,680
it's recordings. 
Oh, it's just randomness and 

454
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,680
he's just lucky. 
You know, all Allstate, they 

455
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,800
give me all sorts of, you know, 
explanations. 

456
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,520
I would agree with half of that 
as far as the randomness goes, 

457
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,960
because there's always that 
chance. 

458
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,920
However, how many times is 
lightning going to strike? 

459
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,640
That's my thing. 
Like, oh, OK, I get getting 

460
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,160
lucky once. 
OK, I get getting lucky. 

461
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,920
In the beginning of this video, 
you said, oh, I had, I had over 

462
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,120
750 follower, 1000 followers. 
Now it's close to 820,000 and 

463
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:48,400
that's because three days. 
Dude, yeah, it's like days, 

464
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,560
yeah. 3-3 days ago I had another
two viral videos that just 

465
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,160
popped off, you know, and, and 
one of the videos I'm cleaning a

466
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600
grave and I'm showing my 
audience that my drill brush, 

467
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,360
you know, isn't going to hurt 
the grave. 

468
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,080
It won't even hurt my hand. 
And, and a child goes, are you 

469
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,040
OK? 
As I'm drilling into my hand 

470
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,160
with the brush, you know I mean 
a. 

471
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,280
Spirit child. 
A spirit child? 

472
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, spirit child. 

473
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,400
And I had to explain to this 
spirit, this child, that no, I'm

474
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,920
fine, you know I'm not her if 
you don't believe me. 

475
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,880
The palm of my hand, my DB. 
Are you OK? 

476
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Yeah, I'm OK, child. 
I'm sorry, I was just showing 

477
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:51,560
people something. 
I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK. 40 Yeah,

478
00:27:59,810 --> 00:28:01,930
it's. 
Jerry making. 

479
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:08,770
Much of A difference. 
Nothing. 

480
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:16,530
A smaller impression here. 
Nooks and crums. 

481
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Are you scared? 
No, not scared at all. 

482
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120
And I hope you're not. 
It's hard. 

483
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,640
So that's my whole thing. 
How many times is lightning 

484
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,120
going to strike? 
Because he keeps striking for me

485
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,240
if that's the case. 
Right. 

486
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
Right. 
And I'm not that lucky and I'm 

487
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,840
not that lucky, you know. 
Sure, sure. 

488
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,880
You've got right, it is 
definitely working whatever it 

489
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240
is you're doing from a social 
media perspective as. 

490
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,800
Far as as far as the copycats, 
the copycats listen. 

491
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Copying somebody is the greatest
form of flattery. 

492
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,160
The only thing that bothers me 
is how disrespectful some people

493
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,440
can be, especially when in these
places like like this was 

494
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
somebody's loved one. 
Regardless, at one point in 

495
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,640
time, somebody loved this 
person. 

496
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400
If the spirit says, hey, I don't
want to talk to you, don't stand

497
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360
there and go, why don't you want
to talk to me? 

498
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Just walk away. 
Walk away. 

499
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,080
It's that simple. 
Walk away respectfully, thank 

500
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,880
you, spirit. 
Sorry to bother you and just 

501
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
keep it moving. 
So that's my big thing with the 

502
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,840
copycats. 
None of them do that. 

503
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,280
None of them do that at all. 
They just sit there and push and

504
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,840
hound and I'm not about that. 
It's amazing. 

505
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,880
All right, listen, I want to see
if we can talk, if we can get 

506
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,200
some voices. 
OK, give me one second. 

507
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Yeah, I'm going to grab. 
I'll grab. 

508
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,000
What's it called? 
Grab whatever he needs. 

509
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Let's see who's around, if any, 
who's around. 

510
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
And tell me about your office. 
Because there's a reason why you

511
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,240
have to get voices in your 
office, right? 

512
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Well, yeah. 
Well, this, so this factory goes

513
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,600
back to the 1900s and felt in 
19-O2. 

514
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,840
I have communicated with various
spirits here, one named Walter, 

515
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,400
one named Peter, one named Mary.
A little child recently named 

516
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,480
Sarah has been coming through 
like crazy. 

517
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,600
It's a mixed bag of nuts here 
because of the history. 

518
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,000
It goes all the way back to 
19-O2. 

519
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,160
It's still in operation today. 
Most of it is now private 

520
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,440
businesses, but there's just so 
much happening here. 

521
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,240
Because it's why it's and also 
just to be clear for anybody you

522
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,320
know, you, you do this live. 
This is not edited later, you're

523
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,400
doing live streams. 
For yeah, there's. 

524
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,280
Your basement or the graves and 
and it just happened. 

525
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,240
It's all everything is. 
Everything is live. 

526
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,440
And how often do you go to 
videos? 

527
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,280
How many times a week do you go 
live? 

528
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:57,640
Oh, I go live about between 20 
and 30 times a week. 

529
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Oh wow, yeah, between one and 
two hour sessions, so sometimes 

530
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,680
up to 30 times, depending on the
community. 

531
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440
You know, goals we hit this, 
that and the other. 

532
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,440
They want me. 
They, they can get me as much as

533
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,880
they want me as long as they, 
you know, keep hitting the goals

534
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,480
and, you know, supporting, 
supporting what I'm doing so. 

535
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Got it. 
It's amazing. 

536
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
All right, so. 
Let's see and tell me about your

537
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,160
process here. 
What's what are we doing to set 

538
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,680
ourselves up to hopefully? 
We're going to go, we're going 

539
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,440
to go super basic, super basic. 
What we are going to use is an 

540
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:44,600
app that samples radio waves and
then the spirits with their 

541
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,960
vibration and their frequency 
affect the magnometer in the 

542
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,840
phone, which then will change 
the bits and pieces of radio to 

543
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400
form their voice and to say 
their words. 

544
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,040
So as as all the apps, it's 
actually the most simple because

545
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,040
there's no word bank, there's no
sound bank and it's all, you 

546
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560
know, bits and pieces of radio. 
Got it. 

547
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:20,440
So we're going to go with that 
and we will see exactly what is 

548
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:29,200
said. 
All right, let me know if I have

549
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,720
to turn on the Bluetooth 
speaker. 

550
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,640
OK. 
Let me know if you have any 

551
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,320
trouble hearing them when they 
start talking. 

552
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360
OK, that's far. 
What's while you're setting that

553
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,160
up? 
What has been your biggest, most

554
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,360
successful viral video thus far?
Though my biggest one is the one

555
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,560
of Mary, 5 year old little girl 
cleaning a 5 year old little 

556
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,480
girl's grave. 
It has over 20 million views 

557
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:01,040
now. 
Wow, cleaning. 

558
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,200
My grave. 
That's it, that's it. 

559
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,480
We're cleaning your grave. 
That's it, little Mary. 

560
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:39,000
It's unknown what is your name. 
My name is John Mary. 

561
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Seems like you're having trouble
obtaining that. 

562
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Information since. 
You're one of those. 

563
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:01,400
That's OK baby, I won't forget. 
You wow, now we're starting. 

564
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
I'm I'm hearing a little couple 
of sounds in the background. 

565
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Yep, those are that's that's 
it's starting. 

566
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,360
Can you hear it clear? 
Should I put on the Bluetooth 

567
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,520
speaker? 
Well, it's hard. 

568
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,560
It's hard to say just yet 
because I don't know what else. 

569
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,719
If you're hearing more than me, 
maybe we should throw the 

570
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,679
speaker on just in case to see 
if you make it. 

571
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Oh. 
Gotto Gotto come on, activate 

572
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:43,679
battery good, it connected. 
Gotto it connected but don't 

573
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:50,080
turn it off now. 
And this is how you would 

574
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,719
normally run like your TikTok, 
right? 

575
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,639
You'd have this on. 
You'd be talking to your your 

576
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,480
list, your followers and then 
just hopefully hear something. 

577
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,800
Who can we see? 
How do you see if you know 

578
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,760
someone's around? 
How would you do that? 

579
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,920
If you wanted someone specific 
like who's did you have any 

580
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,320
regulars in your office? 
Yes, yeah, they definitely come 

581
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,040
through in my office. 
If we're doing this like I'm 

582
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080
doing it live, I wouldn't even 
engage the spirits. 

583
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,400
I would literally talk to you. 
We'll just keep talking and then

584
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,960
when I start to hear something 
that makes me go, oh, wait, 

585
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,560
something's paying attention to 
us, then, then we engage the 

586
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,880
Spirit. 
So. 

587
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,000
I'm curious if they if they can 
hear me and if they want to say 

588
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440
normally your audience doesn't 
want to talk to them. 

589
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Yeah, Joel, I can hear you. 
Your what? 

590
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,400
You're what that? 
Sounded like hear what? 

591
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Yeah, that's what it sounded 
like to me. 

592
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,840
Yeah, I can hear you. 
And that's. 

593
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Crazy, right? 
It sounded like a woman's voice 

594
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,680
that said hear what? 
Yep. 

595
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,280
Well, this place is 
predominantly a lot of women 

596
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,280
because of what it was back in 
the day. 

597
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,720
It was a T-shirt factory. 
I don't want to know. 

598
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,520
So I've been listening. 
You hear that spirit just said 

599
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,280
I've been listening. 
Let me ask you a question. 

600
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Spirits, Spirits, can you hear 
Gary right now? 

601
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Generate. 
Can you confirm that you can 

602
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,720
hear Gary through the through 
the screen? 

603
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,200
See a lot of what's coming 
through right now. 

604
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,960
I can. 
OK, so I just heard through the 

605
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,400
screen. 
Yeah, that I did hear. 

606
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,680
But a lot of everything else was
inaudible to me, so I didn't 

607
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640
ignore it. 
I just said a child. 

608
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,440
Just said let him out. 
I can't. 

609
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,360
He's not trapped in the phone. 
Probably a child that has no 

610
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,080
idea what what this is, Sir. 
Yeah, there's definitely a child

611
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,720
here too. 
That's a little freaking me out,

612
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,000
dude. 
How do you not get freaked out 

613
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,600
by that? 
Yeah. 

614
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Honestly, I this, it's, this 
stuff amazes me. 

615
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,640
You know, it's part of the 
documentation. 

616
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,760
It amazes me the fact that 
they're all around constantly, 

617
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,760
you know now. 
Have you ever? 

618
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,080
I would. 
I mean, first of all, I'd love 

619
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160
to see your mother talk to these
spirits or your father. 

620
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,280
Even better. 
What? 

621
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
What is? 
Which would be? 

622
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,160
What did my? 
Did my mother ever tell you what

623
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,440
happened? 
No, tell me. 

624
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,480
No, Tell me what happened. 
OK, so we were down in the 

625
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,240
basement in the fire of your. 
Of your apartment. 

626
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,760
Of my apartment and oh I just 
heard get away spirits remember 

627
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,680
this is my office I'm not going 
anywhere so. 

628
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Maybe she's telling me to get 
away. 

629
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,800
She could be, but then again, 
you're my uncle and my guest, so

630
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,880
he's not going anywhere either. 
So we're down there and, you 

631
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,920
know, in the way that my mother 
originally thought this was a 

632
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,880
big joke. 
Like when we came down there, 

633
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,000
she asked me like where, you 
know, where everything was, all 

634
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
the sounds were coming from 
recorded wise. 

635
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,680
And I said it's not. 
I said it's, it's literally 

636
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,560
coming from here. 
You know it's coming from here. 

637
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,360
From your phone, right? 
We're sitting there and all of a

638
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,280
sudden, and you know, my mother,
she wears a lot of her emotions 

639
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,600
on her face. 
She turns her head and she looks

640
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,040
and she sees something and she 
grabs me and she turns white as 

641
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,640
a ghost, no pun intended, white 
as a ghost. 

642
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480
And she starts freaking out. 
And I had to be like, what did I

643
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,560
tell you before we went live? 
I said if you see something, 

644
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,760
fear will feed some of these 
entities here, you can't get 

645
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,680
scared or you have to go back 
upstairs. 

646
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,480
And she's like, no, I'm fine, 
I'm fine. 

647
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,320
I just want to draw what I saw. 
And then she drew what she saw 

648
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
and it looked a lot like one of 
the spirits. 

649
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,640
That's that always comes through
down there that I've seen 

650
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,040
pictures of Gates. 
Wow, I got to find out a decent 

651
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,880
All right, what is Have we ever 
tried to ask these spirits for 

652
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,640
lottery? 
Numbers. 

653
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,200
So interesting enough. 
I, I, I, I turned, I turned the 

654
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,720
box off for a minute. 
If you want, I could fire it 

655
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,960
back. 
You tell me when you want it 

656
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,280
back on and I'll fire it back 
up. 

657
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,440
No, it's fine. 
It's fine. 

658
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,400
But I'm asking you like, have 
you ever asked for a job? 

659
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,040
Think of. 
It like that. 

660
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,800
Everybody views the spirit as 
some omniscient entity that when

661
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,480
you die you get all the answers.
Who says who came up with that? 

662
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360
That's BS. 
That's not what happens when you

663
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,040
die. 
You literally die with the 

664
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,880
knowledge you died with, and 
that's it. 

665
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,080
You might have the ability to 
learn new knowledge afterwards, 

666
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,800
but it's not like an instant 
download where you know the 

667
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,440
secrets of the universe, let 
alone Lotto numbers or anything.

668
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,920
You know? 
That's funny, yeah, but it's, 

669
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,280
you know, but it's the truth. 
It's the truth and, and, and 

670
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,280
it's one of those things where, 
and I get it a lot. 

671
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,640
I get a lot of people that are 
like, oh, ask the spirit if my 

672
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,520
husband's cheating on me and I 
go, Nah, the Spirit's thank you 

673
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,520
to know that information, but 
statistically he's cheating on 

674
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,920
you. 
You know what I'm saying? 

675
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,720
Like. 
That's pretty funny, man. 

676
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,760
If you're, if you're, if you're 
watching me asking that 

677
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,120
question, he's probably cheating
on you, you know, go talk to 

678
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,080
your husband, you know? 
What do you find? 

679
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,040
What do you get out of it? 
Like, other than, you know, I 

680
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
know, look, but what what have 
you? 

681
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Here's the question. 
What have you learned from all 

682
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,200
this? 
The more you talk to spirits, 

683
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,520
what do you learn from it all? 
To be a good person. 

684
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Why? 
Why is being? 

685
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,120
To be to be a good person and 
not to not to try to get into 

686
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:16,640
some some heavenly abode so that
when you die you are filled with

687
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
good memories. 
Interesting. 

688
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960
So that when you die, you're, 
you're there's actually, you 

689
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,120
know, if you do scatter and 
transfer to all sorts of things,

690
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,280
at least every part of you in 
your life, you can sit back and 

691
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,160
go, oh, you know what? 
I did some good there. 

692
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Oh, I help that person out 
there. 

693
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,960
I'll give you a prime example of
this. 

694
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,000
At the cemetery I always go to, 
I found two infant graves and I 

695
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,400
found them because an old Co 
worker of mine, his girlfriend 

696
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,360
always walks her dog over there 
and she's like John, you ever 

697
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,560
see the 2 little infant graves 
that people always leave gifts 

698
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160
at? 
And I'm like no come to find out

699
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,440
it was in a section of the 
cemetery I never go. 

700
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,560
So I was like I'm going to go 
check it out. 

701
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,840
And I went and I saw literally 
as these two old graves from the

702
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,840
1800s, two infants, a boy and a 
girl. 

703
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,120
And I said, you know what? 
So many people come over to here

704
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,480
and do so much. 
I'm like, I'm going to surprise 

705
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,600
them. 
I'm going to clean the graves. 

706
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,560
So I cleaned the graves up, told
my my friend and his girlfriend,

707
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,360
hey, whatever you do, don't tell
these people that I did this. 

708
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,960
I don't want them to know that I
cleaned these graves up. 

709
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,880
I don't want to thank you. 
I didn't do that for, for that I

710
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,640
did it, you know, for me and the
kindness of my heart to do a 

711
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,040
good deed without looking for 
something in return, especially 

712
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,640
gratification. 
Sure. 

713
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,720
So come to find out that they 
weren't the little, they weren't

714
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,080
the infant graves of a little 
boy and a little girl. 

715
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,200
They were the infant graves of 
two boys. 

716
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,720
And everybody that was visiting 
just assumed it was a boy or a 

717
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,680
girl, but in reality it was 2 
boys. 

718
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,440
And, you know, and they, they're
searching like they act. 

719
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,640
They actively went to the 
cemetery office and said, Hey, 

720
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,440
we want to thank the person who 
cleaned this grave and 

721
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200
management there was like, he 
doesn't want to be known. 

722
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,600
He doesn't. 
We're not telling you where to 

723
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,600
find them. 
We're not, you know, So it's 

724
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,680
only, I know it's only a matter 
of time before they see me at 

725
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,800
the cemetery cleaning, you know,
but maybe they won't. 

726
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,840
So. 
And you feel that this has you 

727
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,680
did that because of what you 
what you do normally, because 

728
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,800
you just what you're seeing and 
what you're but are you finding?

729
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:44,240
Are you finding spirits that are
angry and with bad memories that

730
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,280
you're like, oh, I don't want to
be like this. 

731
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,760
This this is. 
Exactly. 

732
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,960
And and A and a lot. 
There's a lot of them. 

733
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Yeah, there's a lot of them. 
And but I find spirits that have

734
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,280
good memories too that are 
pleasant and happy. 

735
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,640
Let's turn the box back on. 
Let's see. 

736
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,720
Let's see if we can get a couple
more before we got it. 

737
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,240
Let's see if we can get some 
more voices here. 

738
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,960
Let's see what they can say, can
they? 

739
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,240
Get them. 
I'm going to turn on two 

740
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,880
different ones. 
OK. 

741
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,000
And do you find, do you think 
they can sense good or bad in 

742
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,400
people? 
Yeah, definitely, definitely and

743
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,160
not and not because of the 
polarization of good or bad and 

744
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,360
the and the human, you know, 
notations for that. 

745
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:38,240
No, not at all. 
I think it's more of a it's, 

746
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,960
it's, it's the same reasons, the
same way you can look at 

747
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,480
somebody and go, yeah, I know, I
know that there's something up 

748
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,400
with that dude. 
Something's not right. 

749
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,760
I'm going to keep my distance. 
We all get those feelings, and I

750
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,400
think the spirits can navigate 
that a lot better than we can. 

751
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
And I think that all ties into 
our magnetic fields, to be 

752
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:03,610
honest with you. 
OK, now see I'm not in the room.

753
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:06,210
So then the magnetic field 
theory. 

754
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,680
They might be able to hear me, 
but they can't feel me. 

755
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,760
They can't feel you. 
They wouldn't be able to feel 

756
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,200
you. 
Nope. 

757
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,960
Now there is a theoretical 
process called QDE as the 

758
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,680
empires, and that is when. 
No, no, You said something about

759
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,840
touching something. 
I. 

760
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,600
I felt like it said to me, like 
I said, what's he want? 

761
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Is that so? 
QDE stands for quantum device 

762
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,600
entanglement. 
That's when I have a theoretical

763
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,600
spirit particle, OK, that is 
everywhere. 

764
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,400
These spirit particles are 
everywhere. 

765
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:49,280
They might be other particles 
that change due to the the 

766
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,880
presence of spirits, but the 
spirit particles are everywhere 

767
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,160
and they react quantumly. 
So the fact that I'm here and 

768
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,040
you're there and we have this 
device connecting us, the 

769
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,640
spirits can use that to affect 
the spirit particles where 

770
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:12,560
you're at just said maybe where 
where you're at and vice versa. 

771
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,800
And I call that quantum device 
entanglement. 

772
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,400
And there's been a lot, I have a
lot of data on that, like people

773
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,080
getting sick, people having 
spirits in their home already 

774
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,560
and then watching me and then 
their spirits act up even more, 

775
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,760
you know, all sorts of things. 
It's a warehouse, so. 

776
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,760
That's it? 
That's a warehouse. 

777
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Yeah, that's is that what did 
you hear that too? 

778
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Yeah, yeah, It said that's a 
warehouse. 

779
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Yep. 
And there was, you know, 

780
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:45,840
sections of this place that, you
know, were a warehouse, so. 

781
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,000
Has any of what was the what? 
What did you hear? 

782
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Has you ever heard or how do I 
ask this? 

783
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,440
Have you ever heard anything 
that truly freaked you out? 

784
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Not that truly freaks me out. 
I have heard things that made me

785
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,480
raise a brow. 
You know, like like like one 

786
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,600
time I was, you know, one time I
was at a cemetery. 

787
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,880
I say spirit, may we have a 
conversation and the spirit 

788
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,560
goes, you got a shovel just like
that. 

789
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,560
I have that video posted. 
Spirit straight up, you have a 

790
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,840
shovel. 
Another time I was talking to a 

791
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,240
spirit. 
This is my home. 

792
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,280
This is your home. 
Well you shouldn't be living 

793
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,440
where you work unless you work 
like a dog. 

794
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:38,200
So I've had a spirit one time in
response to me saying for it to 

795
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,240
calm down like it was acting up 
and I'm like spirit, relax, calm

796
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,880
down. 
It said what I shit you not. 

797
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,880
The first thing it said was how 
about I shit on the floor and 

798
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,840
I'm like, how'd you get a shit 
on the floor? 

799
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
You're dead. 
And then it goes, you're right, 

800
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,600
I'll just shit in a cup then. 
And I went, that makes no sense.

801
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,280
And as long as you're not 
spamming shitting in the cup, 

802
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:14,040
shitting in a cup mean there 
could be nuts. 

803
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,320
But it was a tangible 
conversation. 

804
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,000
It was an, it was a, you know, 
it wasn't like a the spirit was 

805
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,320
responding to me, but wacky, you
know, So I was like, all right, 

806
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,320
so I hear things like that that 
make me go holy shit. 

807
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,240
Who's a Who's a regular? 
Who's a regular in your office? 

808
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,440
So in my office there's Peter 
Show. 

809
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Mary and Sarah are are the 
regulars. 

810
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Sarah is a nine year old girl 
but we're not sure how old. 

811
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:53,720
Peter, Mary and Joe are there 
but they they all worked here so

812
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,920
it seems crazy. 
You ever try to call them and 

813
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,480
where they show up when you call
them or no? 

814
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,760
No, no they don't. 
They'll just show up. 

815
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,960
And what's crazy is Joe is the 
most recent one. 

816
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:14,160
He kept saying 19/19/10 
191019101914 smoke giving us all

817
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,000
these dates and come to find out
one session we're wandering the 

818
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,840
factory, I'm in the freight 
elevator, it's going up and I'm 

819
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,280
looking at writings on the brick
over the years. 

820
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,640
And there you see it, Joe 1910 
And I was like, oh shit. 

821
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,200
And it's it's technically he was
saying Joe C 1910 as in the name

822
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Joe last name C 1910. 
And there it was written on, 

823
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,360
it's written right there plain 
as day. 

824
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,440
So. 
I freaked you out a little bit. 

825
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,560
What? 
How do you know it's them when 

826
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,240
they're back? 
How do they, how do they let you

827
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,800
know that it's those people? 
So that's actually a great 

828
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,720
question. 
And it can get really confusing.

829
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,080
Like it's one of those things 
where even if they come through,

830
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,760
I'll they'll be like, hey, John 
and I'll be like, OK, that 

831
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040
sounds like Joe. 
I'm like, hey, Joe. 

832
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,200
And then I'll ignore Joe until 
he said something else. 

833
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,880
And then once I could confirm, 
OK, that's Joe, then I'll talk 

834
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,720
to Joe like as if he was here. 
So. 

835
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,480
But I won't. 
But a lot of the times, I-11 or 

836
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,280
two things won't make me go, oh,
they're here. 

837
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,960
You know, I'll wait till they 
come in nice and strong. 

838
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,000
That's my whole idea on it. 
Yeah, they're strong enough to 

839
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920
come through. 
They're going to come through 

840
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,560
multiple times, not just once, 
you know, Retaliate for what? 

841
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,600
Get out. 
Uh oh, we got some nasty ones. 

842
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,360
How often are you told to get 
out? 

843
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,960
That's like. 
Amityville bar all the time is 

844
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
the I'm told all the time to get
out and I literally say the same

845
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,840
thing, especially here in an 
office that I pay, you know, a 

846
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,560
large amount of money for Hey, 
this is my office. 

847
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:08,160
You get the, you know, like. 
I've never said it's like I 

848
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,080
would have loved it. 
Like if they if you had moved 

849
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,640
into the Amityville house and 
they were like, the movie 

850
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,520
wouldn't have happened. 
It would have been a lot less 

851
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,200
scary. 
Oh yeah. 

852
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,400
Oh, well, that huge. 
So so surgery was funny. 

853
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,160
We get a lot of of residual 
hospital and that's because 

854
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,080
there used to be a hospital on 
the other side of the block that

855
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,760
got knocked down years ago back 
in the 30s. 

856
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,720
So interesting enough about 
that. 

857
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:36,720
That's the other thing I do with
the paranormal, especially with 

858
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,680
social media. 
It's a it's it fear sells. 

859
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,760
Yeah, fear sells. 
Sure. 

860
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,280
I turn around and I remove the 
element of fear when I do this. 

861
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,040
I completely remove it when the 
spirits like get out. 

862
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,920
I'm like, go, like get out, you 
know, like I get funny with it, 

863
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,480
you know, like I, I don't do the
fear thing and I don't sell 

864
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,800
fear. 
And my evidence shines a lot 

865
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,320
more because of that, because 
it's not, you know, I'm not here

866
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,080
to scare people into giving me 
money. 

867
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,680
I'm here to being, hey, I'm 
documenting. 

868
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,040
This is what I'm doing. 
If you want to support what I 

869
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,440
do, Thank you. 
I appreciate it now. 

870
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,000
Oh my God, what's happening now,
you know? 

871
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,840
Right, right. 
A lot of green lights like. 

872
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

873
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,280
Which, which, which is the the 
big issue and, and think about 

874
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,400
it like this too, longevity 
wise. 

875
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,680
If I want to do this for the 
rest of my Life, OK, If I want 

876
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,840
to do this for the rest of my 
life, I can lie to my audience 

877
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,800
or I can be true blue to the 
equipment and to myself and to 

878
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,080
my followers and keep it going, 
you know, and just keep doing 

879
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,880
this until I can't anymore until
I don't want to, right? 

880
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,880
But with TikTok, it's not like 
that. 

881
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,320
If you have a personality and 
you can engage your audience, 

882
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,360
you don't need to do that, 
right? 

883
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,560
So I take fear completely out. 
And that's another thing too, 

884
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,760
people, All they talk about are 
demons, demons, demons, demons, 

885
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,200
demons. 
I'm an atheist. 

886
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,840
I'm an atheist. 
I mean, listen, you know, no 

887
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,400
disrespect to everybody in the 
world, but there's so much 

888
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,280
knowledge out there now. 
The fact that the whole world 

889
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,200
isn't 8, you know, had that 
visible blows my mind. 

890
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,480
But besides the point, people 
screaming about all these 

891
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,440
demonic entities and it's like 
that's not the case now. 

892
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,320
It could be an interdimensional 
entity. 

893
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,720
That's something completely 
different that falls into the 

894
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:48,680
realm of science. 
There could be beings that live 

895
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:55,880
in a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 
10th, 11th dimensions that we 

896
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,280
have no concept of because we 
can't see past our 3D relevance.

897
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,760
You know it's a possibility, but
demonic, you know it's, it's 

898
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,440
it's it's. 
Where do you see? 

899
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,320
And let's let's we can end this 
on this question, I think. 

900
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,960
And then you know, but what is 
where do you see you? 

901
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,240
Where do you see this going? 
Where how do you want this to 

902
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,280
progress? 
What what is your ideal next 

903
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,280
step? 
You know what I mean? 

904
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Like what? 
What, What in this world of 

905
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,360
talking to spirits, do you want 
to try that you haven't tried? 

906
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,440
And where do you want it to go? 
So I'll actually, I can answer 

907
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:41,320
that with my documentation. 1 
spirit that I've actually grown 

908
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,560
very fond of is a man named Mr. 
Churchwell. 

909
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,800
OK, Mr. Church Churchwell. 
And I didn't know any of this 

910
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,320
about Mr. Churchwell. 
I, I go up to his grave, all I 

911
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,000
can see is his name. 
Churchwell. 

912
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,880
I can't even see his first name,
just Churchwell, because his 

913
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,560
grave is so dirty and covered 
with Moss and and, you know, all

914
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,920
outdoor filth. 
All right, I start talking to 

915
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,560
the spirit. 
Yeah. 

916
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,200
Tell me about yourself. 
Churchwell. 

917
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,240
Oh, I was in the army. 
Oh, cool. 

918
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,200
Thank you for your service, Mr. 
Churchwell. 

919
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,200
What'd you do in the army? 
Oh, it was it was it was 3 days 

920
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,120
of hell. 3 days of hell. 
And I'm like, wow. 

921
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,880
I was like, were you in a war? 
What war were you in? 

922
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,480
He was like fire and blood 
everywhere. 

923
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,000
That's what this spirit says to 
me. 

924
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,480
So 3 days of hell, fire and 
blood everywhere. 

925
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Then I finally asked him did you
die in this war and he said no. 

926
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,760
I died 2 days later due to his 
injuries. 

927
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,560
He flat out says this to us, but
he also gets into other details 

928
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:55,000
about how heavy his equipment 
was and how tired and hungry he 

929
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,440
was and how he was having 
breathing problems from all the 

930
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,400
smoke, like all these details 
he's given us. 

931
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,200
So I still know nothing about 
him. 

932
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:12,160
This is just what he's saying. 
So a year later, I decided to 

933
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,960
clean his grave. 
I go, I clean his grave. 

934
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,040
All of a sudden I see his name, 
Joseph. 

935
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,120
So now I know. 
OK, your first name is Joseph. 

936
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:28,760
OK, Joseph Churchwell. 
And then all of a sudden, all 

937
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,280
this little writing appears that
you couldn't see before because 

938
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,880
it was covered with filth and it
says died. 

939
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,040
It says succumbed to his 
injuries in the Battle of the 

940
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:48,440
wilderness. 19 years old. 
And I went, holy shit, you were 

941
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,920
a baby. 
You know, I'm like, that's 

942
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,480
insane. 
So I look up the battle of the 

943
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,320
Wilderness, Battle of the 
Wilderness, the bloodiest battle

944
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,480
of the Civil War. 
It was described as blood and 

945
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,320
fire, blood, fire and smoke. 
They, they burned troops. 

946
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,840
They lit fires on the on the, 
the grassy plains that were bone

947
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,960
dry to destroy, you know, to 
destroy the troops, everything. 

948
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,080
It was a horrible, disgusting, 
brutal battle, even worse than 

949
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,320
Gettysburg. 
Everything that Mister 

950
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,600
Churchwell talked about, the 
three days of hell, the battle 

951
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,280
lasted for three days. 
Everything that he spoke about, 

952
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,120
the first encounter I had with 
him was true blue. 

953
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,760
This spirit remained coming to 
me every time I went to his 

954
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,720
grave. 
Hey, Mr. Churchwell, how you 

955
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400
doing? 
He would either say hello, John.

956
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,280
Hi, John, or he would say hello 
to the chat. 

957
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,520
He'd be like, hello chat, hi 
everybody. 

958
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,360
And people would be like, Oh my 
God, that's a judge. 

959
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,760
Well, and and up until recently,
he would come through and then 

960
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,720
all of a sudden he stopped. 
I haven't now I haven't heard 

961
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,480
from him in three months. 
And every time I go to his 

962
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:10,600
grave, nothing comes through. 
So where I would like to take my

963
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,480
next steps in with my 
documentation is starting to 

964
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,720
test my theories out. 
I believe that it is memory that

965
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,280
we're speaking to. 
And if that's the case, then I 

966
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,440
should be able to speak to a 
version of Mr. Churchwell at his

967
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,040
family home. 
I should be able to speak to a 

968
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,920
version of Mr. Churchwell at 
that battlefield. 

969
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Oh, that's interesting. 
So that is what I want to do 

970
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,360
next. 
I want to start going to these 

971
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,640
places with these spirits that 
I've already spoken to and I've 

972
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,440
documented and have hours and 
hours of, you know, video 

973
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,160
footage on and start seeing if I
can speak to them in other 

974
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,960
places. 
Now I theorize that if I do 

975
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,040
this, like, for example, the 
energy of Mr. Churchwell, the 

976
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,200
memories of Churchwell that's at
that battlefield, should not 

977
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,240
know who I am. 
He shouldn't. 

978
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,840
He shouldn't. 
He never met me. 

979
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,080
He met me after the fact, after 
he died. 

980
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,200
That energy, that Church well, 
shouldn't know me. 

981
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,440
If I can find him there. 
He shouldn't know who I am. 

982
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,000
Interesting. 
Theoretically he shouldn't, 

983
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,200
unless somehow it connects 
quantumly. 

984
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,760
But I can't, you know, I can't 
prove that right now, right? 

985
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,960
So. 
That's kind of a fun. 

986
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,640
That's clever. 
That's a fun thing to test, and 

987
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,840
you haven't done that yet with 
any of the people you've spoken 

988
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,800
to. 
Actually, I kind of have you 

989
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,480
tried it? 
I came across, remember that 

990
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,040
spirit Edward I was talking 
about? 

991
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Yes, I went to his grave and 
it's a whole family flop and a 

992
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,040
child came through claiming to 
be Edward. 

993
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,760
The child claimed to be. 
The spirit that I've cursed out 

994
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,400
and has cursed me out for years 
now as a child, but and and they

995
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,520
didn't know me. 
Hi, John. 

996
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,920
Nice to meet you. 
John. 

997
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,720
My Mama called me and, you know,
being like being like a child 

998
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,000
saying, oh, I want to be friends
with you. 

999
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Can I be your best friend? 
All these things it was saying 

1000
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,720
to me. 
And I'm like, wait a minute. 

1001
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:35,360
This isn't the Edwards that I've
spoken to, so I'm actually in 

1002
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,200
the middle of documenting him 
still. 

1003
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,000
I plan on going back this week, 
and that's what I do. 

1004
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,240
I go a bunch of times, compile 
the data, and then I make a 

1005
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,920
decision based on everything 
that I caught. 

1006
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,000
OK, shit. 
This is the child version of 

1007
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Edward. 
If it if it ends up being Edward

1008
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:58,880
and the child version of him 
that proves the whole memory 

1009
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,720
theory when it comes to spirits.
And honestly, I know even if I 

1010
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,240
prove this and I have tons of 
data on it and and you know, 

1011
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,440
logically even get people of 
like the scientific community to

1012
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,080
go, Oh wow, you know, this is 
pretty cool. 

1013
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,760
The world isn't ready for it. 
People still think sky daddy is 

1014
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,520
looking down at them and praying
to their angels. 

1015
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,280
You know what I mean? 
You're. 

1016
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,200
Not going to change anything, 
but it's still pretty wild. 

1017
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,520
I feel like, you know, people 
are going to want you to talk to

1018
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,440
their loved ones. 
And I and I. 

1019
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:41,720
In their memories to see. 
I highly, highly do not promote 

1020
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,080
that at all. 
You want to know why? 

1021
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,400
Yeah, I do. 
So there's two reasons behind it

1022
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,400
#1 if let's say I go to a 
cemetery and it's a new grave, 

1023
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,960
somebody died in 2019. 
Let's say his name is David. 

1024
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,280
OK, go to David's grave. 
Hey, David, let's have a 

1025
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,360
conversation. 
What? 

1026
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Not just me. 
Anybody. 

1027
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Let's say David's daughter 
decides to do it. 

1028
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,520
Hey, let's have a you know, let 
me, let's talk. 

1029
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,520
Dad, I want to talk to you. 
There is nothing stopping 

1030
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,680
another spirit from coming 
through pretending to be David. 

1031
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,840
And if that woman gets 
emotionally attached to, to, to 

1032
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160
the spirit of her father, she's 
really going to invite and let 

1033
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,840
in this other spirit pretending 
to be dape. 

1034
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,400
And it's an easy way to get an 
attachment or a possession. 

1035
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,800
It's a real easy way for 
something like that to happen. 

1036
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,920
And then the second reason, The 
second reason is we might not be

1037
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,440
mentally ready for that. 
Imagine this. 

1038
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,840
Imagine this. 
Yeah, we're going to use Love 

1039
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,640
her to death. 
We're going to use Grandma 

1040
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,880
Gracie as an example. 
OK, She'll. 

1041
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,680
She'll yell at all of us all. 
Right. 

1042
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,240
She'll yell at all of us. 
Tickling gives you worms, you 

1043
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,960
know the works. 
OK, the works. 

1044
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,920
But imagine. 
If you put a wood spoon by the 

1045
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,680
grave, she'll know what. 
It is, yeah. 

1046
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,360
Yeah. 
Imagine going to her grave and 

1047
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,960
speaking to her and actually 
speaking to a 15 year old 

1048
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,680
version of her. 
We wouldn't know what we were 

1049
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
speaking to. 
That's not the version of Gracie

1050
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,240
we know, No. 
So imagine that as a loved one. 

1051
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,240
Imagine that as you know, you 
don't know what you're at the 

1052
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,840
end of the day. 
You just don't know what you're 

1053
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,840
speaking to. 
You don't know if you're 

1054
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,840
speaking to a younger version of
the spirit. 

1055
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,400
That's that, You know the 
memories of that spirit when 

1056
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,520
they were 1520. 
And that's what I tell people. 

1057
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,400
It's like, oh, you want to go 
talk to your grandma? 

1058
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,920
Yo, your grandma had a whole 
life without you in it, Right, 

1059
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,280
Right. 
Right. 

1060
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,560
I like, I mean, you have a very 
clear perspective on all of it, 

1061
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,320
which is a really, it really is 
interesting, you know, to hear 

1062
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,200
and a passion for it. 
All right, dude, I mean, this 

1063
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,240
is, you know, again, you got to 
check out Santa paranormal on 

1064
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,480
TikTok and you'll see it for 
yourself and believe it for 

1065
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,760
yourself or not, but it is 
really it is something 

1066
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:23,040
different, you know, and when 
you see it and all right, look, 

1067
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,800
we're going to keep talking 
because I think there's ways to 

1068
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,800
go here and I want to know more 
information and I want to this 

1069
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,560
sort of memory idea and this 
memory capture. 

1070
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:38,600
I want to see what we find in 
terms of sort of connections 

1071
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:44,040
and, you know, that sort of 
idea, you know the one thing 

1072
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,400
about memories, right? 
Like this idea that those who 

1073
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,280
don't, you know, remember the 
past are doomed to relive it 

1074
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,720
kind of thing. 
So there must be not the word 

1075
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,640
advice, but just some sort of 
point to it all, if you will, 

1076
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,720
which is kind of bananas to me 
anyway. 

1077
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,200
But if it works for you, then it
works for you. 

1078
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,160
You know what I mean? 
If what they say comes through, 

1079
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,680
then it comes through. 
And while I don't believe in 

1080
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,600
ghosts yet, I do believe in my 
nephew's passion, expertise, and

1081
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,720
drive. 
Together, we'll talk to the dead

1082
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,360
in haunted houses, graveyards, 
and anywhere else these 

1083
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,480
splintered spirits of the past 
might be hiding. 

1084
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,320
We might find a piece of a ghost
at their childhood home and 

1085
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,040
another version of that same 
ghost haunting their favorite 

1086
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,320
dive bar. 
I mean, that is to say, he will.

1087
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,680
I'm going to stay a safe 
distance away from all of that 

1088
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,600
creepy shit. 
Thanks for listening. 

1089
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,320
And in the next episode, the 
conversations begin.