All right, here we go. So my name is Gary, and I'm here
talking to my nephew Johnny. Gotta speak.
Let's try it again. Welcome to Splintered Spirits, a
podcast hosted by me, Gary, and my nephew Johnny, where I'll be
documenting Johnny as he tries to prove his theory about what
ghosts are. You heard me right, ghosts.
But that's not how this podcast started out.
I've been in the entertainment business for years kicking and
clawing for those rare wins. Meanwhile, Johnny's out there
making a killing on TikTok by talking to the dead.
With the state of the entertainment industry the way
it is. The idea behind this podcast
started out as traditional media creator me trying to get some
insight into the social media world.
I mean his at Santa paranormal TikTok feed at the time of this
recording has over 900,000 followers.
His success has made me question all of my life choices, which
I'm sure you don't want to hear about and are thinking.
Thanks pal. Just put the in the bag.
But over the course of this interview, what started as
professional fascination and includes Johnny's haunted
beginnings turns into something more proactive and fun.
And the idea of a podcast about the differences in media, which
was probably boring and stupid to begin with, might become a
fun investigative series into the unknown.
And Oh yeah, you're going to hear ghosts too.
So let's dive into the conversation and see where it
takes us. Hey, everybody, my name is Gary.
I'm talking to my nephew Johnny. Say hello.
What's? Going on, John.
And I'm wanting to talk to my nephew today because what he
does for a living is unlike anybody or anything I've ever
heard. He is a TikTok phenom.
He has over seven 750,000 followers.
And it's not because he does dance moves or his makeup tips
or his healthy recipes. He's on there because he talks
to the dead. Do I have that right?
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, listen, I tried makeup,
I tried dance moves. It just wasn't for me, so.
This is what clicked so you can find him on TikTok at Santa
Paranormal and he's got a really, you know, and we're
going to get into it because I want to talk to him how he got
there, how he found out that he had this skill.
And hopefully at the end of this, maybe we'll try we'll
we'll actually have a conversation with some of these
spirits that he talks to. But first, Johnny, you got to
tell me, man, when was your first paranormal experience?
So my first paranormal experience, where I was old
enough to gauge what was actually happening, was actually
right across the street from where I'm at right now.
And that's an old Firehouse that was built in the 1800s.
I used to be a parliamentary officer for the company I was
in, and I was doing some secretary work late at night
because I'm a night owl naturally.
And I saw somebody staring at me through the parlor doors,
peeking through the window. And there's normal, normally
there's nobody there late at night.
And when I got up to investigate it, there was nobody there.
This was happening to me repeatedly while I was sitting
there at the computer and doing doing some work, and I actually
launched my first very improv investigation to see if I could
communicate with the entity at the time this is going what?
Did you see, Do you remember exactly what you saw?
Oh, I remember exactly what I saw.
I saw an older man in, you know, 7075 years old approximately,
and he was a little short, little hunched and just very
curious as to what I was doing. Now, my first initial
investigation didn't yield much, but from talking to other people
in the fire department, I ended up finding out that he is an
entity that is always seen there by multiple people and he was a
janitor and he was a janitor there for decades.
So and you know, unfortunately I didn't get to speak to the
Spirit. But so you were just sitting,
you're sitting at a computer in the Firehouse.
Yep. And you sort of, you know, you
felt something or you. Where I was sitting like let's
say this is the the setup and where, you know, where this
phone is right now is exactly where it is.
I'm literally sitting at the computer and you know, you're at
a computer, especially with the big screens back in the day, you
know, you lean over a little bit like this to see what's in front
of you. And naturally.
And that's when I spotted the entity staring at me from like
down at least at least 20 feet down because the room was a big
parlour room. Did you shit yourself at all?
No, at first I was like, at first I was like, who the hell
spying on me, You know, See if I was he.
Was in the room. Oh yeah.
Did you get up and walk over there and go like, what the hell
like. What, twice, Twice.
Initially twice I thought it was just somebody, you know, either
somebody was drinking or somebody was just curious of
what I was doing. I thought somebody was messing
with me at first. I had a lot of thoughts going
through my mind. You know, this is a Firehouse
that has over 300 volunteers at the time, so it could have been
a number of anybody in there, but nobody was there.
OK, so that's your first paranormal experience.
You see this? Ghost as an adult As an adult.
And then you, you know, you're sitting there and you're like,
OK, you wanted to find out more. And then is that when did you
start investigating the Firehouse?
And what does that mean investigating the Firehouse?
What did you do? So this is going back, this is,
this is 2002 and we, you know, we didn't have much to, you
know, to use back then to investigate.
So I set up a camcorder trying to capture the entity.
I had a voice recorder trying to capture the entity speaking and
I, what else was I doing then? I think that was it.
That's all. That's all I really had at my
disposal at the time, so. And nothing came through.
You couldn't get. Anything.
Nothing. Nothing.
Couldn't get anything. So, OK, so where do you go from
there? What's the next phase in this
becoming, you know, Santa paranormal like from, you know,
that's 2002. That's 2002.
So then after that I did other, I started getting into it more
and more and I started investigating old speakeasies
and places where people are like, hey, John, this is
haunted, come check it out. And I and I'd go check it out.
What's wrong? Baby cats?
Just me out at the wall. Maybe she sees the spirit.
So I'm doing, you know, speakeasies, haunted dorms, you
know, people's houses, things of that nature.
And then by 2009, I started branching out, actually going to
businesses and, and, you know, places that were reporting
activity that weren't even in my hometown.
So what was the first? Where was the first time that
you actually spoke to a spirit? So the first time I actually
spoke to a spirit was at a place that doesn't exist anymore.
It was called Smalley's Inn in Carmel, NY and the story goes
hold on one second. Hey, come on bossy, you got to
stop baby. Come here.
Come on. I just want attention.
Come here. You're very distracting when you
start getting like that. So the first place, the 1st
place I went to was Smalley's Inn in Carmel, NY.
And the story with that place was that there was a, he was
like the sheriff, the coroner, the everything in this small
town. And he had a daughter that had
Down syndrome, you know, back in the 1800s.
They, you know, those things were handled very differently.
He unfortunately kept her locked up in in the basement for about
10-11 years and then decided to do a mercy killing, as he called
it, and he drowned her. They found her gravestone
actually in the basement. They buried her in the basement
and actually gave her a headstone and everything.
And when they were doing construction, they uncovered
this headstone and then the activity just boomed in this
place. I learned a lot of things from
this place, which is why I'm bringing it up.
So tell yeah, tell me. I want to hear all about it.
So this is the you knew this story before going there, so
that's why you went there. Well, I heard the place was
haunted. I didn't know any of this.
We learned all this when we got there, OK?
We just heard it was a very haunted spot.
And so I go there, I find out all this about the little girl.
I see that the headstone itself and then again I bust out I had
two at this point now 2009, I had two forms of communication.
I had an FMM radio that I manipulated myself by removing
the tab so it would constantly scan and go and scan through
radio waves. And I had my, you know, my
recorder. But at this point it was
digital. It was no longer on a cassette
tape. Now we're, you know, now we're
rocking with digital. So my first conversation I had
was actually with this little girl was with this little girl
and she, you know, very soft spoken, sounded like a 1011 year
old girl talking about how she loves her dad, but her dad
doesn't like her, how she never gets to go outside.
You know, all these hey, what is wrong with you?
I hold on. It's all right.
I don't know. What What is wrong with you,
girl? It's OK.
It's just my big doctor. Oh, man, She gets like this
sometimes. Special needs cat.
Yeah. You're lucky I rescued you
anyway. So.
Yeah. So.
So I'm having this this this conversation with her.
She's talking about how her father, you know, doesn't let
her outside. And she loves her father so much
her mother barely talks to her. You can tell that, you know, it
was, you know, of course back then it wasn't considered abuse.
But now in today's times, that would be horrific.
But that's how they handled people like this back in the
day, unfortunately. So she's telling us all this in,
in, in, in the way a little a little girl, a troubled little
girl would, you know? And, and the order, I wish I
still had it. This is going all the way back.
I just remember how broken up it sounded like.
You can tell you were speaking to somebody who had a handicap.
So at the same location, we also caught a video on a on a Cam
recorder of an entity. You saw it had a top hat, a
face, and then it zoomed right by us.
And we also caught that too, which was pretty wild.
And then came the greatest lesson of all with the
paranormal and why I am 90% skeptic.
The people who own this place were also messing with us.
They were the entire time flipping off the light switches.
They had a three-way light switch so they could control
lights from the top, you know the first floor to the basement.
They were flipping them on and off.
I have a little knowledge of electrical, so I was able to
tell by the wiring just by looking at it.
Rudimentary BX wiring. I'm like wait a minute, that's a
three-way, you know, flipping them on and off.
They were throwing stuff at us in the basement.
They would never let us in the basement all together.
There was two sides to this basement and two stairways that
went down, and I wanted to split the team up and go 1/2 here, 1/2
there. They wouldn't let us do it.
They kept us all on one side and every time we were there they
were messing with us, throwing plates through the wall, all
sorts of things. And I learned a valuable lesson
that even in places that are extremely haunted, you still
can't trump trust the human element that people will
embellish and people will lie, especially when it comes to
money in business. So that's actually one of the
main reasons why I'm actually, I like, I like to say 90% skeptic.
I'm 10% a believer. It takes a lot.
And this is my success on TikTok has to do with the fact that
instead of putting the bar here, I put the bar all the way up.
Yeah, I put the bar high. And there are many things that
other people would consider evidence that I dismiss, that I
want absolutely nothing to do with because it's just not, you
know? You don't buy it.
I don't buy it. So OK, that's your first time
you start having a conversation with the spirit.
Yes. Is this little girl?
Is this little girl and and and then does it start to happen to
you more frequently or did you have to create?
No, after, after smallies, you know, you know, life, life took
place. You know, I end up starting
having children, you know, you know, work, you know everything.
And investigation slowed down. I really didn't do much.
I tried it again a little bit in 2015 and then just realized I
wouldn't have the time to dedicate to, you know, actually
doing this. And then it wasn't until COVID.
It wasn't until COVID that I lost my job like so many other
people. And I said and, and, and the
place where I lived is extremely haunted and I knew this and I
ended up having to take the supers job of this of this
building which put me in the. Basement real quick tell tell us
about your your apartment building.
So my apartment building the the original structure down in the
basement goes back to the 1700s. It was an outpost.
It used in the expansion of Saw Pit, which is what this area was
called. And it was one of the one of
three outposts that was built. And by the Revolutionary War,
the British came to, Saw Pit and steamrolled everything.
It wasn't until the Battle of White Plains that George
Washington stood ground. Everything up until Salt Pit was
wiped out and the outpost itself was taken, was destroyed.
All that was left was a couple of walls, and that's it.
By 1860, a very wealthy man named Edward ended up building
on the outpost his retirement home.
And he wasn't. He was a very evil man himself,
So, and he did a lot of like, a lot of horrible things that
unfortunately you really can't find, you know, in newspapers or
in the news back in the day because the rich and powerful,
they still cover things up. But back then it was even easier
for him. So this man had this place.
He ends up dying, and then it becomes a temporary hospital
during the Spanish flu. This is where people start
dropping like flies. Maybe you know, you know, a
couple of a month when Edward was there.
But now that it's a temporary hospital for the Spanish flu,
people are dying left and right in this place.
Then nobody wanted anything to do with with the estate after
the Spanish flu except for one investor bought it and turned it
into an actual hospital. And that hospital was called
Regent Hill Hospital because it looked over Regent Street and
that didn't go well. They ended up building United
Hospital, which was built in the 30s, and then that became an
apartment building. And it's still an apartment
building and I live there now. So that's basically.
And you found a lot of activity in your own basement, is that
correct? Yes, yes, an insane amount from
visually and everything from audio.
It's a visual happens in that. So I want to know this, when did
you really start to have conversations?
When was the first moment? Was it here in this building in
in the basement where we like now I've got a device that
helped me get to have conversation when when did that
and what was the first that's. Exactly.
That's exactly what happened. I realized how haunted the
basement was and I said, you know what?
I'm not working right now. Other than being the Super of
this place. It's only 20 apartments.
So it's not a crazy, crazy job. A lot of downtime.
So I'm like, look, you know, let's see what the technology's
like and then realize that from when I last did it, everything
changed. They now have EMF readers.
They now have built devices. You don't have to make your own.
They now have portal boxes. They now have apps based off the
magno meter on your phone. Everything was different.
I dove right in, I fired them up and they just started talking.
And then I find out that other people are using the same
equipment and getting nowhere near the same results that I am.
And then? Why do you think that is dude?
Why do you think you are connected to the spirits in a
way that they want to talk to you?
What is it? I firmly believe that it has to
do with my magnetic field. I I believe that each and every
one of us, we we all have a magnetic field.
That's science. That this isn't hocus pocus.
That's what you know, what's it called?
Not EKG. The, I forgot what side.
I can't think off the top of my head right now.
What scientific medical equipment monitors your magnetic
field for your heart? Oh, yeah.
It is an EKG, the EKG machine, you know, that tests your heart.
What they're actually testing is your magnetic field.
And if you're back, if there's something wrong with your heart,
your magnetic field is going to show that because your magnetic
field is produced by the active current by your heart, your
blood pumping through your body. So I think that some of us, for
whatever reason, have a magnetic field that's a little different,
where it attracts spirits, it makes them talk, you know,
things of such nature. And I think it's a scientific
thing. I don't think it's a gift from
God or some other being or aliens.
I think it's just a human based attribute.
And that's what made. OK, so all right, so you
something about you, yeah, you feel gives off the energy that
when you're using all these things because anybody could buy
this stuff. That's what made that's what
makes it like you have this certain connection and you have
these conversations with them. Well, that's bananas.
I mean, it's absolutely crazy because you're doing, I mean,
I've seen it, I've seen the videos.
When did you get into? All right, so now you're doing
this. You're primarily doing it in
your basement. When did you start going out in
the field with this stuff and really start, you know, I know
you do, you know, with grave and all the other things like how
did you make that move in that transition?
This basement, unfortunately, is very toxic.
It was toxic to me. It was toxic to my followers.
People were being affected. People were being affected by
the place. What do you mean affected?
Like some would have physical issues while other people would
just become completely nasty and disgusting.
We're talking about like people that have been watching me for
months that were completely fine, and then all the sudden
you start to hear from like their family members, hey,
there's been a real mental decline in this person since
they started watching you. We're not going to have them
watch you anymore. You know, we're intervening,
which isn't good. If you're running a social media
community based platform, you need that.
And it was literally destroying my community that I was
building. As I'm documenting, you're
saying good for me. Either So I'm clear you believe
that by highlighting and having conversations in your basement,
whatever the spirits that were manifesting themselves there to
you was then affecting not only you but your listeners and
watchers. So it, it, it wasn't the fact
that I was having the conversations with what I was
doing was leaving the camera rolling after I went to bed.
And there would be almost like 24 hour streams happening where
people where hundreds of people are sitting there at their homes
watching either like the fireplace room, which is a room
in the building, or the abandoned side, which is another
wing of the building that's now abandoned.
And it was the constant hours these people were putting into
this that were actually mentally and physically affecting them.
I, I had to make a change, but I still wanted to document.
So I thought to myself, where else would spirits speak to me?
And in large abundance? Well, let's try a cemetery.
And I went to a cemetery and something that no one even in
the paranormal field ever thought like, hey, there's not
spirits at a cemetery. It's just stone, marble, granite
and dirt. No, there's something about a
quantum connection to a final resting place or a memorial that
will tether some memories at location.
And thus was born in the cemetery walks.
Obviously that's a big part of your talk is to these cemeteries
and your cleaning graves and volunteering and having
conversations. Do you have?
So all right, so now you do this a lot.
Do you have repeat spirits? Do you have any like spirits
that constantly want to connect with you?
So. And why do you think that is?
I wouldn't. I wouldn't use the words
connecting with me because the way I like to, the way I like to
do it is I like to go to location and just document
what's coming through. I don't even speak to the
spirits most of the time. I speak to my audience.
And then if something comes through and speaks and I feel
that it's actually speaking to us, and then I'll engage it.
Most of the time I'll just ignore it.
Now, to answer your question about repeat spirits, yes,
there's no guarantee they're going to come through, but I've
had repeat conversations with the same spirit over and over.
What do you now? What is your explanation?
Like most people think of ghosts and stuff that are spirits that
are still floating around that they have unfinished business
and they're. Not traveling.
What do you? What's your theory on all this?
So, so the whole unfinished business 3 AMI like to call that
the romantic paranormal nonsense.
It's actually all that is, is all, all reasons why no one
takes this field seriously. I believe there's a scientific
reason for it. As you know, energy can't be
created nor destroyed. It can only be transferred.
That's science, basic science. We know that.
We've been learning that since we were children.
The energy in our brains that that whoever you want to say
it's a charge of +70 millivolts of sodium and potassium
switching in the myelin sheath, causing our movements, causing
our thoughts, all of that, that charge, that electrical charge
that can't be destroyed once we die, it goes against the laws of
physics. It has to go somewhere.
And what is it? What exactly is that?
Well, think of it like this. You know how some people when
they get blood transfusions constantly or they receive an
organ from a donor, they begin to get attributes from the organ
Donor memories, feelings, new food cravings, new hobbies,
interest in music. There's even been reports going
as extreme as being able to play an instrument that their donor
was able to play. It's the same concept.
It's those memories. It's what makes us, us.
Not only can they be transferred per human, but when we die, they
don't disappear. They connect with matter.
At least I personally believe, you know, this is all
theoretical, but I believe that's what that's what explains
it. So when I'm speaking to a
spirit, it's the spirits of memory.
It's the actual memories of the spirit.
Got it. What would you say?
All right. And then.
And then I want to see if we could try to talk to see if we
can get any. But what do you, you know, look,
I, I'm sure there's other people who try to do what you do or
they're critics of what you do. What are your biggest critics?
And these first tell me about what the critics say.
And then tell me about the copycats and what you think
makes you stand out. So first tell me about show.
There's there's there's two, there's two types of critics,
right? There are the critics that are
in my field that do what I do, that don't get the same
responses, don't get the same conversations.
They think I'm using, you know, a sound board and pushing
buttons and whatnot. Even though in my video,
especially when I'm cleaning graves, you could clearly tell
none of that is happening. Then there's the critics,
obviously, that have nothing to do with the paranormal.
They don't believe in it and they speak from, you know, oh,
it's recordings. Oh, it's just randomness and
he's just lucky. You know, all Allstate, they
give me all sorts of, you know, explanations.
I would agree with half of that as far as the randomness goes,
because there's always that chance.
However, how many times is lightning going to strike?
That's my thing. Like, oh, OK, I get getting
lucky once. OK, I get getting lucky.
In the beginning of this video, you said, oh, I had, I had over
750 follower, 1000 followers. Now it's close to 820,000 and
that's because three days. Dude, yeah, it's like days,
yeah. 3-3 days ago I had another two viral videos that just
popped off, you know, and, and one of the videos I'm cleaning a
grave and I'm showing my audience that my drill brush,
you know, isn't going to hurt the grave.
It won't even hurt my hand. And, and a child goes, are you
OK? As I'm drilling into my hand
with the brush, you know I mean a.
Spirit child. A spirit child?
Yeah. Yeah, spirit child.
And I had to explain to this spirit, this child, that no, I'm
fine, you know I'm not her if you don't believe me.
The palm of my hand, my DB. Are you OK?
Yeah, I'm OK, child. I'm sorry, I was just showing
people something. I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK. 40 Yeah,
it's. Jerry making.
Much of A difference. Nothing.
A smaller impression here. Nooks and crums.
Are you scared? No, not scared at all.
And I hope you're not. It's hard.
So that's my whole thing. How many times is lightning
going to strike? Because he keeps striking for me
if that's the case. Right.
And I'm not that lucky and I'm
not that lucky, you know. Sure, sure.
You've got right, it is definitely working whatever it
is you're doing from a social media perspective as.
Far as as far as the copycats, the copycats listen.
Copying somebody is the greatest form of flattery.
The only thing that bothers me is how disrespectful some people
can be, especially when in these places like like this was
somebody's loved one. Regardless, at one point in
time, somebody loved this person.
If the spirit says, hey, I don't want to talk to you, don't stand
there and go, why don't you want to talk to me?
Just walk away. Walk away.
It's that simple. Walk away respectfully, thank
you, spirit. Sorry to bother you and just
keep it moving. So that's my big thing with the
copycats. None of them do that.
None of them do that at all. They just sit there and push and
hound and I'm not about that. It's amazing.
All right, listen, I want to see if we can talk, if we can get
some voices. OK, give me one second.
Yeah, I'm going to grab. I'll grab.
What's it called? Grab whatever he needs.
Let's see who's around, if any, who's around.
And tell me about your office. Because there's a reason why you
have to get voices in your office, right?
Well, yeah. Well, this, so this factory goes
back to the 1900s and felt in 19-O2.
I have communicated with various spirits here, one named Walter,
one named Peter, one named Mary. A little child recently named
Sarah has been coming through like crazy.
It's a mixed bag of nuts here because of the history.
It goes all the way back to 19-O2.
It's still in operation today. Most of it is now private
businesses, but there's just so much happening here.
Because it's why it's and also just to be clear for anybody you
know, you, you do this live. This is not edited later, you're
doing live streams. For yeah, there's.
Your basement or the graves and and it just happened.
It's all everything is. Everything is live.
And how often do you go to videos?
How many times a week do you go live?
Oh, I go live about between 20 and 30 times a week.
Oh wow, yeah, between one and two hour sessions, so sometimes
up to 30 times, depending on the community.
You know, goals we hit this, that and the other.
They want me. They, they can get me as much as
they want me as long as they, you know, keep hitting the goals
and, you know, supporting, supporting what I'm doing so.
Got it. It's amazing.
All right, so. Let's see and tell me about your
process here. What's what are we doing to set
ourselves up to hopefully? We're going to go, we're going
to go super basic, super basic. What we are going to use is an
app that samples radio waves and then the spirits with their
vibration and their frequency affect the magnometer in the
phone, which then will change the bits and pieces of radio to
form their voice and to say their words.
So as as all the apps, it's actually the most simple because
there's no word bank, there's no sound bank and it's all, you
know, bits and pieces of radio. Got it.
So we're going to go with that and we will see exactly what is
said. All right, let me know if I have
to turn on the Bluetooth speaker.
OK. Let me know if you have any
trouble hearing them when they start talking.
OK, that's far. What's while you're setting that
up? What has been your biggest, most
successful viral video thus far? Though my biggest one is the one
of Mary, 5 year old little girl cleaning a 5 year old little
girl's grave. It has over 20 million views
now. Wow, cleaning.
My grave. That's it, that's it.
We're cleaning your grave. That's it, little Mary.
It's unknown what is your name. My name is John Mary.
Seems like you're having trouble obtaining that.
Information since. You're one of those.
That's OK baby, I won't forget. You wow, now we're starting.
I'm I'm hearing a little couple of sounds in the background.
Yep, those are that's that's it's starting.
Can you hear it clear? Should I put on the Bluetooth
speaker? Well, it's hard.
It's hard to say just yet because I don't know what else.
If you're hearing more than me, maybe we should throw the
speaker on just in case to see if you make it.
Oh. Gotto Gotto come on, activate
battery good, it connected. Gotto it connected but don't
turn it off now. And this is how you would
normally run like your TikTok, right?
You'd have this on. You'd be talking to your your
list, your followers and then just hopefully hear something.
Who can we see? How do you see if you know
someone's around? How would you do that?
If you wanted someone specific like who's did you have any
regulars in your office? Yes, yeah, they definitely come
through in my office. If we're doing this like I'm
doing it live, I wouldn't even engage the spirits.
I would literally talk to you. We'll just keep talking and then
when I start to hear something that makes me go, oh, wait,
something's paying attention to us, then, then we engage the
Spirit. So.
I'm curious if they if they can hear me and if they want to say
normally your audience doesn't want to talk to them.
Yeah, Joel, I can hear you. Your what?
You're what that? Sounded like hear what?
Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me.
Yeah, I can hear you. And that's.
Crazy, right? It sounded like a woman's voice
that said hear what? Yep.
Well, this place is predominantly a lot of women
because of what it was back in the day.
It was a T-shirt factory. I don't want to know.
So I've been listening. You hear that spirit just said
I've been listening. Let me ask you a question.
Spirits, Spirits, can you hear Gary right now?
Generate. Can you confirm that you can
hear Gary through the through the screen?
See a lot of what's coming through right now.
I can. OK, so I just heard through the
screen. Yeah, that I did hear.
But a lot of everything else was inaudible to me, so I didn't
ignore it. I just said a child.
Just said let him out. I can't.
He's not trapped in the phone. Probably a child that has no
idea what what this is, Sir. Yeah, there's definitely a child
here too. That's a little freaking me out,
dude. How do you not get freaked out
by that? Yeah.
Honestly, I this, it's, this stuff amazes me.
You know, it's part of the documentation.
It amazes me the fact that they're all around constantly,
you know now. Have you ever?
I would. I mean, first of all, I'd love
to see your mother talk to these spirits or your father.
Even better. What?
What is? Which would be?
What did my? Did my mother ever tell you what
happened? No, tell me.
No, Tell me what happened. OK, so we were down in the
basement in the fire of your. Of your apartment.
Of my apartment and oh I just heard get away spirits remember
this is my office I'm not going anywhere so.
Maybe she's telling me to get away.
She could be, but then again, you're my uncle and my guest, so
he's not going anywhere either. So we're down there and, you
know, in the way that my mother originally thought this was a
big joke. Like when we came down there,
she asked me like where, you know, where everything was, all
the sounds were coming from recorded wise.
And I said it's not. I said it's, it's literally
coming from here. You know it's coming from here.
From your phone, right? We're sitting there and all of a
sudden, and you know, my mother, she wears a lot of her emotions
on her face. She turns her head and she looks
and she sees something and she grabs me and she turns white as
a ghost, no pun intended, white as a ghost.
And she starts freaking out. And I had to be like, what did I
tell you before we went live? I said if you see something,
fear will feed some of these entities here, you can't get
scared or you have to go back upstairs.
And she's like, no, I'm fine, I'm fine.
I just want to draw what I saw. And then she drew what she saw
and it looked a lot like one of the spirits.
That's that always comes through down there that I've seen
pictures of Gates. Wow, I got to find out a decent
All right, what is Have we ever tried to ask these spirits for
lottery? Numbers.
So interesting enough. I, I, I, I turned, I turned the
box off for a minute. If you want, I could fire it
back. You tell me when you want it
back on and I'll fire it back up.
No, it's fine. It's fine.
But I'm asking you like, have you ever asked for a job?
Think of. It like that.
Everybody views the spirit as some omniscient entity that when
you die you get all the answers. Who says who came up with that?
That's BS. That's not what happens when you
die. You literally die with the
knowledge you died with, and that's it.
You might have the ability to learn new knowledge afterwards,
but it's not like an instant download where you know the
secrets of the universe, let alone Lotto numbers or anything.
You know? That's funny, yeah, but it's,
you know, but it's the truth. It's the truth and, and, and
it's one of those things where, and I get it a lot.
I get a lot of people that are like, oh, ask the spirit if my
husband's cheating on me and I go, Nah, the Spirit's thank you
to know that information, but statistically he's cheating on
you. You know what I'm saying?
Like. That's pretty funny, man.
If you're, if you're, if you're watching me asking that
question, he's probably cheating on you, you know, go talk to
your husband, you know? What do you find?
What do you get out of it? Like, other than, you know, I
know, look, but what what have you?
Here's the question. What have you learned from all
this? The more you talk to spirits,
what do you learn from it all? To be a good person.
Why? Why is being?
To be to be a good person and not to not to try to get into
some some heavenly abode so that when you die you are filled with
good memories. Interesting.
So that when you die, you're, you're there's actually, you
know, if you do scatter and transfer to all sorts of things,
at least every part of you in your life, you can sit back and
go, oh, you know what? I did some good there.
Oh, I help that person out there.
I'll give you a prime example of this.
At the cemetery I always go to, I found two infant graves and I
found them because an old Co worker of mine, his girlfriend
always walks her dog over there and she's like John, you ever
see the 2 little infant graves that people always leave gifts
at? And I'm like no come to find out
it was in a section of the cemetery I never go.
So I was like I'm going to go check it out.
And I went and I saw literally as these two old graves from the
1800s, two infants, a boy and a girl.
And I said, you know what? So many people come over to here
and do so much. I'm like, I'm going to surprise
them. I'm going to clean the graves.
So I cleaned the graves up, told my my friend and his girlfriend,
hey, whatever you do, don't tell these people that I did this.
I don't want them to know that I cleaned these graves up.
I don't want to thank you. I didn't do that for, for that I
did it, you know, for me and the kindness of my heart to do a
good deed without looking for something in return, especially
gratification. Sure.
So come to find out that they weren't the little, they weren't
the infant graves of a little boy and a little girl.
They were the infant graves of two boys.
And everybody that was visiting just assumed it was a boy or a
girl, but in reality it was 2 boys.
And, you know, and they, they're searching like they act.
They actively went to the cemetery office and said, Hey,
we want to thank the person who cleaned this grave and
management there was like, he doesn't want to be known.
He doesn't. We're not telling you where to
find them. We're not, you know, So it's
only, I know it's only a matter of time before they see me at
the cemetery cleaning, you know, but maybe they won't.
So. And you feel that this has you
did that because of what you what you do normally, because
you just what you're seeing and what you're but are you finding?
Are you finding spirits that are angry and with bad memories that
you're like, oh, I don't want to be like this.
This this is. Exactly.
And and A and a lot. There's a lot of them.
Yeah, there's a lot of them. And but I find spirits that have
good memories too that are pleasant and happy.
Let's turn the box back on. Let's see.
Let's see if we can get a couple more before we got it.
Let's see if we can get some more voices here.
Let's see what they can say, can they?
Get them. I'm going to turn on two
different ones. OK.
And do you find, do you think they can sense good or bad in
people? Yeah, definitely, definitely and
not and not because of the polarization of good or bad and
the and the human, you know, notations for that.
No, not at all. I think it's more of a it's,
it's, it's the same reasons, the same way you can look at
somebody and go, yeah, I know, I know that there's something up
with that dude. Something's not right.
I'm going to keep my distance. We all get those feelings, and I
think the spirits can navigate that a lot better than we can.
And I think that all ties into our magnetic fields, to be
honest with you. OK, now see I'm not in the room.
So then the magnetic field theory.
They might be able to hear me, but they can't feel me.
They can't feel you. They wouldn't be able to feel
you. Nope.
Now there is a theoretical process called QDE as the
empires, and that is when. No, no, You said something about
touching something. I.
I felt like it said to me, like I said, what's he want?
Is that so? QDE stands for quantum device
entanglement. That's when I have a theoretical
spirit particle, OK, that is everywhere.
These spirit particles are everywhere.
They might be other particles that change due to the the
presence of spirits, but the spirit particles are everywhere
and they react quantumly. So the fact that I'm here and
you're there and we have this device connecting us, the
spirits can use that to affect the spirit particles where
you're at just said maybe where where you're at and vice versa.
And I call that quantum device entanglement.
And there's been a lot, I have a lot of data on that, like people
getting sick, people having spirits in their home already
and then watching me and then their spirits act up even more,
you know, all sorts of things. It's a warehouse, so.
That's it? That's a warehouse.
Yeah, that's is that what did you hear that too?
Yeah, yeah, It said that's a warehouse.
Yep. And there was, you know,
sections of this place that, you know, were a warehouse, so.
Has any of what was the what? What did you hear?
Has you ever heard or how do I ask this?
Have you ever heard anything that truly freaked you out?
Not that truly freaks me out. I have heard things that made me
raise a brow. You know, like like like one
time I was, you know, one time I was at a cemetery.
I say spirit, may we have a conversation and the spirit
goes, you got a shovel just like that.
I have that video posted. Spirit straight up, you have a
shovel. Another time I was talking to a
spirit. This is my home.
This is your home. Well you shouldn't be living
where you work unless you work like a dog.
So I've had a spirit one time in response to me saying for it to
calm down like it was acting up and I'm like spirit, relax, calm
down. It said what I shit you not.
The first thing it said was how about I shit on the floor and
I'm like, how'd you get a shit on the floor?
You're dead. And then it goes, you're right,
I'll just shit in a cup then. And I went, that makes no sense.
And as long as you're not spamming shitting in the cup,
shitting in a cup mean there could be nuts.
But it was a tangible conversation.
It was an, it was a, you know, it wasn't like a the spirit was
responding to me, but wacky, you know, So I was like, all right,
so I hear things like that that make me go holy shit.
Who's a Who's a regular? Who's a regular in your office?
So in my office there's Peter Show.
Mary and Sarah are are the regulars.
Sarah is a nine year old girl but we're not sure how old.
Peter, Mary and Joe are there but they they all worked here so
it seems crazy. You ever try to call them and
where they show up when you call them or no?
No, no they don't. They'll just show up.
And what's crazy is Joe is the most recent one.
He kept saying 19/19/10 191019101914 smoke giving us all
these dates and come to find out one session we're wandering the
factory, I'm in the freight elevator, it's going up and I'm
looking at writings on the brick over the years.
And there you see it, Joe 1910 And I was like, oh shit.
And it's it's technically he was saying Joe C 1910 as in the name
Joe last name C 1910. And there it was written on,
it's written right there plain as day.
So. I freaked you out a little bit.
What? How do you know it's them when
they're back? How do they, how do they let you
know that it's those people? So that's actually a great
question. And it can get really confusing.
Like it's one of those things where even if they come through,
I'll they'll be like, hey, John and I'll be like, OK, that
sounds like Joe. I'm like, hey, Joe.
And then I'll ignore Joe until he said something else.
And then once I could confirm, OK, that's Joe, then I'll talk
to Joe like as if he was here. So.
But I won't. But a lot of the times, I-11 or
two things won't make me go, oh, they're here.
You know, I'll wait till they come in nice and strong.
That's my whole idea on it. Yeah, they're strong enough to
come through. They're going to come through
multiple times, not just once, you know, Retaliate for what?
Get out. Uh oh, we got some nasty ones.
How often are you told to get out?
That's like. Amityville bar all the time is
the I'm told all the time to get out and I literally say the same
thing, especially here in an office that I pay, you know, a
large amount of money for Hey, this is my office.
You get the, you know, like. I've never said it's like I
would have loved it. Like if they if you had moved
into the Amityville house and they were like, the movie
wouldn't have happened. It would have been a lot less
scary. Oh yeah.
Oh, well, that huge. So so surgery was funny.
We get a lot of of residual hospital and that's because
there used to be a hospital on the other side of the block that
got knocked down years ago back in the 30s.
So interesting enough about that.
That's the other thing I do with the paranormal, especially with
social media. It's a it's it fear sells.
Yeah, fear sells. Sure.
I turn around and I remove the element of fear when I do this.
I completely remove it when the spirits like get out.
I'm like, go, like get out, you know, like I get funny with it,
you know, like I, I don't do the fear thing and I don't sell
fear. And my evidence shines a lot
more because of that, because it's not, you know, I'm not here
to scare people into giving me money.
I'm here to being, hey, I'm documenting.
This is what I'm doing. If you want to support what I
do, Thank you. I appreciate it now.
Oh my God, what's happening now, you know?
Right, right. A lot of green lights like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Which, which, which is the the big issue and, and think about
it like this too, longevity wise.
If I want to do this for the rest of my Life, OK, If I want
to do this for the rest of my life, I can lie to my audience
or I can be true blue to the equipment and to myself and to
my followers and keep it going, you know, and just keep doing
this until I can't anymore until I don't want to, right?
But with TikTok, it's not like that.
If you have a personality and you can engage your audience,
you don't need to do that, right?
So I take fear completely out. And that's another thing too,
people, All they talk about are demons, demons, demons, demons,
demons. I'm an atheist.
I mean, listen, you know, no
disrespect to everybody in the world, but there's so much
knowledge out there now. The fact that the whole world
isn't 8, you know, had that visible blows my mind.
But besides the point, people screaming about all these
demonic entities and it's like that's not the case now.
It could be an interdimensional entity.
That's something completely different that falls into the
realm of science. There could be beings that live
in a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th dimensions that we
have no concept of because we can't see past our 3D relevance.
You know it's a possibility, but demonic, you know it's, it's
it's it's. Where do you see?
And let's let's we can end this on this question, I think.
And then you know, but what is where do you see you?
Where do you see this going? Where how do you want this to
progress? What what is your ideal next
step? You know what I mean?
Like what? What, What in this world of
talking to spirits, do you want to try that you haven't tried?
And where do you want it to go? So I'll actually, I can answer
that with my documentation. 1 spirit that I've actually grown
very fond of is a man named Mr. Churchwell.
OK, Mr. Church Churchwell. And I didn't know any of this
about Mr. Churchwell. I, I go up to his grave, all I
can see is his name. Churchwell.
I can't even see his first name, just Churchwell, because his
grave is so dirty and covered with Moss and and, you know, all
outdoor filth. All right, I start talking to
the spirit. Yeah.
Tell me about yourself. Churchwell.
Oh, I was in the army. Oh, cool.
Thank you for your service, Mr. Churchwell.
What'd you do in the army? Oh, it was it was it was 3 days
of hell. 3 days of hell. And I'm like, wow.
I was like, were you in a war? What war were you in?
He was like fire and blood everywhere.
That's what this spirit says to me.
So 3 days of hell, fire and blood everywhere.
Then I finally asked him did you die in this war and he said no.
I died 2 days later due to his injuries.
He flat out says this to us, but he also gets into other details
about how heavy his equipment was and how tired and hungry he
was and how he was having breathing problems from all the
smoke, like all these details he's given us.
So I still know nothing about him.
This is just what he's saying. So a year later, I decided to
clean his grave. I go, I clean his grave.
All of a sudden I see his name, Joseph.
So now I know. OK, your first name is Joseph.
OK, Joseph Churchwell. And then all of a sudden, all
this little writing appears that you couldn't see before because
it was covered with filth and it says died.
It says succumbed to his injuries in the Battle of the
wilderness. 19 years old. And I went, holy shit, you were
a baby. You know, I'm like, that's
insane. So I look up the battle of the
Wilderness, Battle of the Wilderness, the bloodiest battle
of the Civil War. It was described as blood and
fire, blood, fire and smoke. They, they burned troops.
They lit fires on the on the, the grassy plains that were bone
dry to destroy, you know, to destroy the troops, everything.
It was a horrible, disgusting, brutal battle, even worse than
Gettysburg. Everything that Mister
Churchwell talked about, the three days of hell, the battle
lasted for three days. Everything that he spoke about,
the first encounter I had with him was true blue.
This spirit remained coming to me every time I went to his
grave. Hey, Mr. Churchwell, how you
doing? He would either say hello, John.
Hi, John, or he would say hello to the chat.
He'd be like, hello chat, hi everybody.
And people would be like, Oh my God, that's a judge.
Well, and and up until recently, he would come through and then
all of a sudden he stopped. I haven't now I haven't heard
from him in three months. And every time I go to his
grave, nothing comes through. So where I would like to take my
next steps in with my documentation is starting to
test my theories out. I believe that it is memory that
we're speaking to. And if that's the case, then I
should be able to speak to a version of Mr. Churchwell at his
family home. I should be able to speak to a
version of Mr. Churchwell at that battlefield.
Oh, that's interesting. So that is what I want to do
next. I want to start going to these
places with these spirits that I've already spoken to and I've
documented and have hours and hours of, you know, video
footage on and start seeing if I can speak to them in other
places. Now I theorize that if I do
this, like, for example, the energy of Mr. Churchwell, the
memories of Churchwell that's at that battlefield, should not
know who I am. He shouldn't.
He never met me.
He met me after the fact, after he died.
That energy, that Church well, shouldn't know me.
If I can find him there. He shouldn't know who I am.
Interesting. Theoretically he shouldn't,
unless somehow it connects quantumly.
But I can't, you know, I can't prove that right now, right?
So. That's kind of a fun.
That's clever. That's a fun thing to test, and
you haven't done that yet with any of the people you've spoken
to. Actually, I kind of have you
tried it? I came across, remember that
spirit Edward I was talking about?
Yes, I went to his grave and it's a whole family flop and a
child came through claiming to be Edward.
The child claimed to be. The spirit that I've cursed out
and has cursed me out for years now as a child, but and and they
didn't know me. Hi, John.
Nice to meet you. John.
My Mama called me and, you know, being like being like a child
saying, oh, I want to be friends with you.
Can I be your best friend? All these things it was saying
to me. And I'm like, wait a minute.
This isn't the Edwards that I've spoken to, so I'm actually in
the middle of documenting him still.
I plan on going back this week, and that's what I do.
I go a bunch of times, compile the data, and then I make a
decision based on everything that I caught.
OK, shit. This is the child version of
Edward. If it if it ends up being Edward
and the child version of him that proves the whole memory
theory when it comes to spirits. And honestly, I know even if I
prove this and I have tons of data on it and and you know,
logically even get people of like the scientific community to
go, Oh wow, you know, this is pretty cool.
The world isn't ready for it. People still think sky daddy is
looking down at them and praying to their angels.
You know what I mean? You're.
Not going to change anything, but it's still pretty wild.
I feel like, you know, people are going to want you to talk to
their loved ones. And I and I.
In their memories to see. I highly, highly do not promote
that at all. You want to know why?
Yeah, I do. So there's two reasons behind it
#1 if let's say I go to a cemetery and it's a new grave,
somebody died in 2019. Let's say his name is David.
OK, go to David's grave. Hey, David, let's have a
conversation. What?
Not just me. Anybody.
Let's say David's daughter decides to do it.
Hey, let's have a you know, let me, let's talk.
Dad, I want to talk to you. There is nothing stopping
another spirit from coming through pretending to be David.
And if that woman gets emotionally attached to, to, to
the spirit of her father, she's really going to invite and let
in this other spirit pretending to be dape.
And it's an easy way to get an attachment or a possession.
It's a real easy way for something like that to happen.
And then the second reason, The second reason is we might not be
mentally ready for that. Imagine this.
Yeah, we're going to use Love
her to death. We're going to use Grandma
Gracie as an example. OK, She'll.
She'll yell at all of us all. Right.
She'll yell at all of us. Tickling gives you worms, you
know the works. OK, the works.
But imagine. If you put a wood spoon by the
grave, she'll know what. It is, yeah.
Yeah. Imagine going to her grave and
speaking to her and actually speaking to a 15 year old
version of her. We wouldn't know what we were
speaking to. That's not the version of Gracie
we know, No. So imagine that as a loved one.
Imagine that as you know, you don't know what you're at the
end of the day. You just don't know what you're
speaking to. You don't know if you're
speaking to a younger version of the spirit.
That's that, You know the memories of that spirit when
they were 1520. And that's what I tell people.
It's like, oh, you want to go talk to your grandma?
Yo, your grandma had a whole life without you in it, Right,
Right. Right.
I like, I mean, you have a very clear perspective on all of it,
which is a really, it really is interesting, you know, to hear
and a passion for it. All right, dude, I mean, this
is, you know, again, you got to check out Santa paranormal on
TikTok and you'll see it for yourself and believe it for
yourself or not, but it is really it is something
different, you know, and when you see it and all right, look,
we're going to keep talking because I think there's ways to
go here and I want to know more information and I want to this
sort of memory idea and this memory capture.
I want to see what we find in terms of sort of connections
and, you know, that sort of idea, you know the one thing
about memories, right? Like this idea that those who
don't, you know, remember the past are doomed to relive it
kind of thing. So there must be not the word
advice, but just some sort of point to it all, if you will,
which is kind of bananas to me anyway.
But if it works for you, then it works for you.
You know what I mean? If what they say comes through,
then it comes through. And while I don't believe in
ghosts yet, I do believe in my nephew's passion, expertise, and
drive. Together, we'll talk to the dead
in haunted houses, graveyards, and anywhere else these
splintered spirits of the past might be hiding.
We might find a piece of a ghost at their childhood home and
another version of that same ghost haunting their favorite
dive bar. I mean, that is to say, he will.
I'm going to stay a safe distance away from all of that
creepy shit. Thanks for listening.
And in the next episode, the conversations begin.