Gary, tell John how old you are. 71.
Some It's all right. Listen, that's the most
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Welcome to splendored spirits. I'm your host, Gary, along with
my nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal.
Today's guest is a pioneering engineer and inventor whose work
quite literally changed the way the paranormal field
investigates the unknown. After the heartbreaking loss of
his oldest daughter, Melissa, Gary Galka turned an
unimaginable grief into a mission to understand, document,
and maybe even bridge the gap between this world and whatever
comes next through technology and instrumental
transcommunication. Out of that journey came devices
that are now staples and ghost hunting around the world, the
Mel meter that bears his daughter's name, the PSB series
of Spirit boxes, and the original Rempod tools you have
seen on countless investigations, Tik Toks, and in
Teams kits everywhere. As you'll hear, these aren't
just gadgets, they're the result of a father's love, a
disciplined engineer's mind, and a relentless drive to apply real
science to one of life's biggest questions.
In this episode, we talked with Gary about Melissa's ongoing
impact on his life, how his key inventions became ubiquitous in
the paranormal community, and what his decades of research
suggests about consciousness beyond physical death.
Let's dive into the conversation.
Gary, welcome. Thank you for joining Splintered
Spirits. Hey, Gary, nice to see you
again. And John, you as well.
Gary, thank you. Yeah, so you have one of the
most fascinating backgrounds, Gary, and you are certainly one
of the I can't, you know, there's not a ghost hunter out
there who shouldn't be thanking you for, for, you know, I, I
think they deem themselves a ghost hunter because of the tech
they're using that you've created.
So I want to sort of get to where you how you got to where
you are now. And I'm wondering if you could
take us back a little bit to your early engineering days and
how DAS distribution first came to life in 1983?
OK, sure. Well, you know, just like anyone
else, let's let's go back to let's go back to that 1983 time
period. I had been working for some high
tech companies in Boston, working with things that
ultrasound, CAT scanners, you know, hospital related
equipment. Test and measurement was always
my Forte, something that I was very interested in, especially
combining sensors with the technology in order to
accomplish a particular task. So I worked for a leading
company that that made that type of equipment.
That's the field I've always been in.
And after, after I did that, I decided that the information
that I obtained through the workplace and through my career,
I just felt it would be better suited for me to apply myself to
best benefit myself and my family.
So it was right around that time period that I started my own
company. I left after four years with
this particular high tech company and I, and I went out
and started my, my new business. And it was just a fledgling
company. I mean, my wife and I had just
gotten married. We didn't have any children yet.
And, you know, I, I put everything in.
I gave myself six months to try to make a new business work.
So I started with nothing. I think I had a few $1000 in the
bank. That was it.
I had a mortgage, all the bills that go with it and so I I work
my butt off and and. What were you trying to do?
What was that? What was the initial thing?
What was that business model? Then well.
What I do is I took everything that I learned in the my
previous employment and I decided to combine the sensors
and technology, but I wanted to go out and show other companies
how I could improve their productivity, their efficiency,
their quality. So I was more of a consultant,
an engineering consultant for an abundance of companies.
I'd get on the phone, give them, give them a call, try to reach
the engineering department, try to reach the quality department,
basically cold calling these companies and allowing me to
walk through the facility and learn everything about their
products, how it's made. I did work for Gillette, I did
work for Titleist, I did work for BIC.
I did work for so many companies, even people like
Pepperidge Farm. So I would go in there and say,
OK, well let's see, you've got razor blades here.
How are you determining whether or not the quality of those
razor blades are any good? So I'd go in and I would show
them how I can make sure that the parallelism of two razor
blades inside that housing could be matched to perfection using a
vision system. And these people never thought
of these ideas, but I would give them and promote ideas that
could make their product better. So that's kind of like the
premise in the umbrella of what my company was.
And I grew, I actually grew. And by the end of six months, I
broke even. I think my first paycheck was
$39.00 and I went out and I bought myself a nice vinyl golf
bag and I treated myself to something really special.
And to me that that was an achievement.
That was a goal that I that I felt like I broke even and I
should reward myself. So that's kind of like how I
started and. So and clearly then your
engineering degree and what you did sort of that that idea of
precision and measurement and reliability was something that
was important to you and your clients that you kept and
continue to move forward, right? That's pretty much it.
You know, it just kind of evolved in that direction
because it felt natural and it was something I was really good
at. So I could look at at a process
and I could find all the faults within that process and try to
figure out ways of making it better for them, whether it be
faster. Like I said, efficiency is
really important, improving the quality while doing it faster.
You know, I work companies like Lego, just on and on and on.
So the big companies that I worked with, it was really
important. And from there I evolved into
what is referred to as a manufacturer's Rep.
So I worked with high tech companies.
They would sell through me these these products which combined
all kinds of sensors into them. Some of them I applied in engine
test cells for Pratt and Whitney where I'd go in, I'd be
measuring all kinds of temperatures and pressures and
torques and all you name it. And we would set these up in
their, in their facilities and you know, to in order to provide
a better quality product. In this case it was a jet
engine. So these are things that that I
did, I really did acquire so much knowledge and experience
over the years. And like I said, I've been in
business since the early 80s and I'm still doing it.
But my life took a twist and set me on a different path.
Well, I want to we're about to touch on that for a second.
Really quickly though I just want to ask, is there a fan or
snow like a an air blower somewhere going off on one of
you? Guys, yeah, my laptop fan is
going right now. Oh wow, that thing is burning
up. Let me unplug, Let me unplug it
and see if that helps a lot. I'm sorry, is that interfering?
It's it's it's got it just got extremely loud.
Like, OK, literally like there's a fan blowing on it.
You know what's weird? I can't hear it.
Oh yeah, I can hear it well, because you don't have
headphones on, you just have your your aunt.
But I, I'll fix it later, then I'll fix it in post.
I'll try to take it out. So look, but yeah, and and I
don't want to break up the story you're about to tell here, Gary,
because I know it's hard and you and obviously share as much as
you feel comfortable sharing. But when did, when did things
take a turn here in your life with your family in in the
direction that your business went and your personal life
went? Well, it's been a long time now,
Gary, I'll tell you, you know, it's, it's been over 20 years,
but you know, when I reached a point with my career and my
business that I felt I could begin a family, you know, we, we
did, it wasn't easy. It didn't just happen, OK.
There was a lot of, a lot of effort put in into having a
child for us. And we, Melissa, our, we, our
first child was a daughter, her name, we named her Melissa.
And that was in 871987. And so since then, we had two
other daughters, but you know, having that young family and
growing up with them, we grew up like any other family in a
neighborhood environment, you know, and it was, it was
something in my whole life. I, it's something that I've
always wanted. I mean, to me, family was very
important, having a solid relationship with my spouse,
with my wife and, and just by the way, we've been married
almost 44 years. So it's amazing.
So it's, it's one of those things that, you know, we, we
planned and, and, and. You're talking to two, you're
talking to two girl dads as well.
So we get it. You know, my daughter's my
oldest, she's set. Mine's 17 now.
John's is still young, but we get, you know, I know that
feeling. It changes everything.
Yeah, it's very special. And so Melissa was born and and
I, after she was born, we, you know, we just had a normal
family love. Everything was was great.
Everything was as it should be. But in the summer of the fall of
O4, we were on vacation and had a great, It was a great summer.
It was a great fall. Our daughter Melissa was 17 at
that time and we, she had just started school and it was in
September as a senior. And So what ended up happening
was one night she went, she was out with her friends.
And right around midnight, just about, I got this really uneasy
feeling and I got out of bed and I got dressed, got dressed, and
I went to the window which faces the street and the driveway.
And I'm waiting for her to come home.
And a car comes down the street, turns up the driveway.
And I felt relief and I went to get back in bed.
And then there was pounding on the door and I ran downstairs
and it was one of her very good friends that lives in the same
neighborhood as us. And she said Melissa was in an
accident just down the street from the house.
And I jumped in the car, woke up my wife got there and Melissa
had hit a tree head on and I went up to the car and held her
hand and she was still somewhat conscious.
And so I I held her hand and I assured her everything would be
OK. And she was following her
boyfriend, she was following a friend.
And she was on a very busy Rd. Not a busy Rd. but I should say
it's a it's a very narrow windy Rd.
Where? Where are you?
Where are you living at this time?
Well, this was in Connecticut, but you know, I now live in New
Hampshire and there's trees. I mean, there's, there's trees
everywhere. And we don't really know the
circumstances, what, what had happened to her, but she was, I
got there and then the police arrived and then fire department
arrived and they took her by ambulance to hospital.
And the thing about it was as she was going to hospital, she
was able to give them her complete name, you know, date of
birth, all the details. So when I heard that, I, I was
very hopeful that she could pull through it.
But what she sustained a very serious brain injury from the
impact, you know, you're going fast and your brain, you know,
just accelerates and it gets knocked around.
So she ended up with a really bad brain injury.
And after being on life support for three, 3 1/2, four days,
because that happened on September 24th and then 28th, we
had a disconnector from life support.
Oh. My God.
And so it was my wife and myself, our daughter Jennifer,
our daughter Heather, we're all with her.
And the doctor said there was really no hope, you know, and
that was, you know, that's pretty much how she passed.
So I don't, we're sleeping in the in the hospital for, you
know, for those four days we wouldn't leave her bedside.
And, you know, you keep thinking, you keep thinking and
praying and you've got all this hope for a miracle.
Even when the doctors tell you there's no hope and she'll never
wake up again. You know, you're still saying
there's got to be a miracle waiting for you, You know, So
we, Cindy and I, my wife and I and our two daughters, we sat
down, comforted each other and we said we have to let her go
and, and we just held on to her when she passed away.
So that that was the turning point for us because you have to
understand that you know everything.
You know, you have a normal family.
You like to think that you're doing OK.
You know, we started up our family and we were always doing
things together like any other family would.
I mean, it's, you know, we're very close.
The girls would always confide in us with things.
We had a very open relationship with the kids to the point that
they they could confide in us and talk to us if they had
problems. And this was one of the problems
that I didn't know how to fix. You know, I mean, my first
thought when when the doctor said there was no hope is how do
you tell your children? That old are your other girls
again? How old were the other girls of
this? Time, well, at that time 1 was
10/10, almost 11 and the other one was 15.
So you're out of stage where, you know, the only thought,
Gary, the only thought that I had was how do I hold the family
together and how's that going to affect their life moving
forward? You know, I mean, really.
Yeah, it's it is an unthinkable, horrible thing.
And it's I, I tell you because, and I say this only because I
can't leave a tender moment alone and I'm immature and I
can't handle and process this. But I'll just to try to make you
smile here for a minute. Gary, if I will, after sharing
that incredible story is I remember when my son was born
and he was healthy and everything came out great.
And I and I immediately decided that I was going to get a
vasectomy because. And the doctor asked me he's
like, well, what if something happens to your kids?
I go doc, if anything happens to these kids, I will never want to
go through that kind of loss again and put a thing up.
So let's go. That's it.
I am going all in and I So yeah, I it's a weird way to say a
thing about thinking the thought of what you live through is is
it is the terrifying thing for all parents, right.
And it's you have to do that is. Yeah.
How do you move on? How do you move on?
And but see, I was, I was also in, I don't want to bring your
audience down with the things I'm talking about because you
know, this is something that happens to a lot of people.
And I, I don't think I think the most important part is surviving
A tragedy like that. And how you decide to live your
life from that point on is really the most important thing,
not only for yourself, OK, but to set an example for your
children and those around you. You know, it's really important
to be able to carry on your life in a way that in this case, I
wanted Melissa to see that her dad was strong enough, okay, to
survive, to survive this tragedy, and to still be the
support mechanism for my kids as they grew up.
That was really the most important part.
I mean, you go through a phase afterwards.
I think I wasn't really quite the same for like 5 years.
So there's five years that disappeared from my life.
You're probably never going to be the same.
No one's ever going to be the same after that.
The same. You're you're the, you aren't
you're that's this is who you are now.
But that's it. A you know.
Gary, what was it? What was it?
One of those things where you're so busy worrying about your wife
and your daughters throughout this entire tragedy that you
kind of forgot to take care of yourself mentally.
Was it like one of those like were you in that five years in
that five year period, were you just concentrating on keeping
the family together and pushing through and.
Well, yeah, I mean that that's really an essential part of of
who I am. I mean, the important part was
mental health for my kids. That came first.
You know, you have to seek counseling for them to make sure
they're OK. You, you have to go to group
sessions. You have to make sure that, that
you are still thinking clearly despite the fact that your mind
is in a haze for a while. There is just so much there.
And, you know, I would go to the doctor for, for a physical.
And what really bothered me about that was my doctor was
quick. To offer me stuff, OK, To offer
me drugs, OK, to help me get through it.
And I don't I don't take anything.
I don't even take aspirin, OK, so here, you know, you know my
age. I told you how old I was.
I mean, I don't take anything. I don't even take the vitamin,
OK, I so I take nothing. I wake up in the morning and I
have nothing, OK, but the, that's just who I am.
I, I, I firmly believe that, you know, when, when you go to the
doctor and you say, OK, I want to do my blood work because, you
know, I want to make sure that, that everything is cool, you
know, and, and so let's get this done.
Whether it would be a colonoscopy or whether it be
blood work or anything else you got to do, you know, you just go
through with your life because you still appreciate the life
you've been given. All right, You've got to take
care of yourself. So let's talk about now this
next phase, right? Because the story doesn't end
here. You know, you, you get through
it and you go. When did you first get a sort of
communication with Mel? Yeah, well, that's OK.
So that, that, that's the next thing.
That's the that's the part, Gary, that changed our lives.
I'm not going to say just my life.
I mean, it changed the life of of everyone in the family.
So I have we're coming back from the hospital and I was holding
my daughter Heather's hand and Jennifer was with my wife and I
opened the garage door. The Jennifer's your wife or your
daughter's Jennifer? Daughter Jennifer.
Daughter for Jennifer's. Cindy's, Cindy's, my wife got
it. So Cindy and Jennifer were
together and Heather and I walked into the garage first.
As soon as we got into the garage, Heather's Heather
stopped walking and she says to me, Daddy, I smell Melissa and I
said I do too. I said, she's here.
She's actually here. I can smell, you know, I'm
saying encouraging thanks. I I smelled her, her.
It was a a sweet vanilla smell. Now, keep in mind I'm walking to
the garage. The garage is filled with trash
bags, the, you know, cars, gas tanks, everything else.
And here this overwhelming smell of sweet vanilla is permeating
all around us, and you're just inhaling it.
And we both smelled it very strongly.
So I said, you know, to my daughter, I make her feel good.
I said, Melissa's here. I'm pretty sure I, I do smell
it. And I, I'm pretty sure Melissa's
going to stick around us for a while.
And so I wanted to acknowledge what I also smelled to her.
Well, as soon as we got into the house and we were settling down,
the doorbell started ringing. So we're in the house and we
hear Ding Ding and we're looking at each other in the kitchen.
And was that the doorbell? We've been in this house 15
years. That's the doorbell going off.
Ding, Ding, doorbells going off again.
So I'm like, what's going on here?
You know, why is this happening? Then all of a sudden I hear
talking, talking, TV comes on. So now we're in the house.
We just got back from the hospital.
We're we have a bunch of electronic phenomena happening
all around us in the house. And now we're all talking about
it in the kitchen. You know that this is Melissa
and she's letting us know she's still with us.
She's OK. But wait, so you're, you're, I
mean, look, you're an engineer, but, but your first instinct
when all this went off was not something like what's going on.
It was really you're, you're sort of separated yourself right
away. That's how prevalent it was.
No, it was when you, you know when you smell at first, when
you smell something as strong as you smell it and there's two of
you doing it. You understand, Like I said, the
garage, it it's not a nice clean smelling place, OK?
And it just hit you like a wall and and then all of a sudden the
doorbell is going off. Now the doorbell, something
triggered in my mind. I just became like very
sensitized just to things that are happening and that
connection. It was almost as though all
right, why would the TV come on? Why would the doorbell be
ringing? Hey, Gary, I'm sorry to cut you
off. Was it a wired doorbell or was
it a wireless doorbell? No, it was a wired doorbell.
It was so it's an old school wired doorbell with the two
Watt. OK.
Yeah, exactly so. So I'm I'm three things happen
now within 20 minutes. What are the odds of that,
Carrie? OK.
And, and then, you know, so we took it one step at a time, but
things started to unfold as time went on.
I mean, incredible things started happening.
So and those things happened immediately.
You just got home and then OK, this happens.
It's it's and it's nice, it's comforting, which is it's, it's
amazing. And that's when you need it the
most. And then OK, so then continue
like what was like the next moment or how often did things
start to happen? Well, that.
Let's just say that, you know, because I, I, if I start putting
things in sequential order by day or week, it would, it would
just be, it just started unfolding and it was like a
waterfall of after death communications.
ADC's are, are not unusual. I think a lot has to do with the
person receiving the ADC or after death communication and
whether or not you're receptive to that.
Have you ever received an ADC before your daughter's passing?
Yes, I have, yeah. Going back to when I was a
child, like 6 years old, I would, you know, if you want to
reflect back, Gary and, and say, OK, there's, there are things
that happened in my life that that kind of transformed me a
little bit. You know, I mean, I, I didn't
really pay a lot of attention to it because I always thought
there was an explanation for it. So as a child, I can, I can tell
you that I've had spirits speak to me and tell me what to do in
order to save my life. I mean, I've had some situations
that were pretty dire. I'll give you an example.
All right, so when I was about 6 years old, I would hang out with
the neighborhood kids and and the we would climb trees to see
how who could get to the closest to the top of a tree.
Some of them were 50 feet tall. Classic, classic kid move.
Classic kid move. OK, so these kids dared me to
climb this group of this pine tree, and I got up within 15
feet of the top and I went up a little bit too high and a branch
snapped. Now I'm up about, I don't know,
40 feet, four stories. And I started falling feet first
just falling freefall as I'm falling straight down.
Everything was a blur and a man said to me, put your arms out
now. So I put my arms out and boop
stopped and I had a branch under my right arm and a branch under
my left armpit. Didn't hurt it just stopped me
cold right near. And I was able to climb back
onto one of the trees and climb back down.
And the kids looked at me like I was a ghost, like, like you
almost died. You know, another time back in
the 70s, I used to fly hang gliders and I, I used to jump
off 500 foot cliffs with hang gliders.
Now you're, you're in California.
So, you know, it's pretty prevalent sport in, in
California. So I went off this Cliff in
Avon, CT, and I was flying and the wind was coming from the
West, hitting the side of the sheer Cliff and giving me plenty
of lift. And you know, you go straight up
like an elevator. So I hit AI, hit a spot of air,
and it caused me to lose my airspeed and I went into a
spiral. So I had no airspeed.
I wasn't moving forward. It was like a cartwheel just
spinning. So I was up at that point.
I was up about 650 feet and I was fall now falling in a free
fall. And during that time period I
didn't get nervous. A calm came, came over me.
And while I'm holding on to the trapeze bar, I tried grabbing
one of the wires that went to the, the, the wing that was
straight up in the air to pull it down to try to level out the,
the kite. And I couldn't do it.
And I'm looking down and I see all the chunks of rock that
broke off the Cliff and I know I'm going to hit him and I'll
probably die because I, it's like a parachute without the
opening, you know, So I was spinning and spiraling and I
tried at least twice, you know, to bring the kite down.
And at that point I just sat back and held on to the bar.
And a man's voice came and told me try again.
He just said try again. So I went up and I grabbed the
wire and Gary, I didn't even have to put pressure on and the
wing came down. The kite leveled.
And then wind came and I lifted up and I flew about 1/4 of a
mile and landed in a ball field. And everybody I was flying with,
six, maybe seven other guys and everybody in the ground came up
to me and said, Gary, we've never seen anybody pull up a
stall like that before. And.
How old were you when this happened, Gary?
Let's see, I started when I was 19.
That was around 2020. One, just to remind the
audience, Gary is 93 years old. He doesn't look.
No, he's he's in his 70's. The guy has lived a life.
Wait, wait, how old is he? Gary, tell John how old you are.
71. Some it's.
I listen. That's the most unbelievable
part of the story. That's this.
You're dude, you look amazing. It's amazing.
Thank you. Listen, so Gary, all right,
these happen when you were young, these incidents, and I'm
going to come back to this in a second.
And then you start, you know, you start focusing on career
engine and and oddly enough, a science based career work.
This happened, this tragedy happens to you.
It's like a is it a reawakening or with that or something now
you'd felt you had to start paying attention with.
And I guess my question, my second part of that question is
when did you say to yourself, I need to study this
systematically to get to what you're creating now?
All right, so. There were a number there, an
abundance of of these after death communications that
started to occur within the house between my wife and myself
and the 2 girls. I mean, Jennifer actually had a
visit from Mel one night. She was in her room and she told
us the next morning she was in her room and she heard Melissa
calling out her name it in fact she mentioned it actually scared
her a little bit. Melissa explained where she was,
how much she liked where she was, how much she was going to
miss us and but she said she would always be around.
She mentioned how much she missed her boyfriend, how much
she loved us. She said where she was was like
here, like where we are today. But she said hundreds of time,
hundreds of times better, OK. She said it was so much better.
And so that that got me thinking a lot.
And from that point, even our youngest daughter started seeing
apparitions, manifestations of Melissa in the house.
And we had situations where Heather would come home from
school, she'd come through the mud room, Cindy and I'd be in
the kitchen and we'd tell Heather, OK, you got to go up
and do your homework. You can't go out and play, get
your homework done, pick up your room, make sure your fish is
fed, whatever you got to do in about 45 minutes later, an hour
later, she'd come bebop and down the stairs and she goes, OK, I,
you know, I did all my homework. You know, I fed the fish, I
cleaned my room. I'm going to go out and play
with Rachel now. And she was.
Oh, yeah, I saw Melissa brushing her hair in the bathroom again.
And Cindy and I just look each other like what?
You know, So Heather had this thing where she would actually
see her, her sister in a room and she didn't think it was any
didn't think it was a big deal, you know, So she in fact, one
one story she told us, she said Melissa came into her room, sat
on the edge of the bed, rubbed her back, held her hand and told
her that she would always be around and everything will be
fine. And she said how much she loved
her. And Heather was so excited.
She said, Melissa, you can't leave.
She goes, she goes, I have to, you have to come with me to see
mommy and daddy. They're not going to believe
that you were here. And Melissa made it very clear.
She goes, Heather, I'm here for you tonight.
I'm not here for mommy and daddy right now.
I'm here for you. So Melissa took such great care
to extend whatever ability she had to make sure that both of
her sisters were OK and accepted her passing.
We had another episode. My daughter Jennifer's
boyfriend, he was a military police officer in Guantanamo.
And also he he was here in in Connecticut and at the sub base.
And he came to stay with us in Connecticut for a weekend.
So we're all watching TV. You saw him run upstairs, take a
shower. He goes upstairs or watch we're
watching something on the on the TV and he comes back down.
He sits down and I look at him. He had a blank look on his face
and he didn't say a word, didn't say a word to us.
But later on, after he after he absorbed what actually happened,
he end up telling us that he went up take a shower and when
he went past Melissa's bedroom, she was standing in the bedroom
looking at him and he stopped and looked right at her.
He told us what she was wearing for clothing and he said, I
thought she was, I didn't know who it was.
She she just looked at me and he goes, I, I was actually, he was
in a state of shock is what it was.
So he couldn't speak about it when he came downstairs.
So that was that was actually featured in one of the episodes,
the episode that we did for our family, but with Mike there.
And Mike has since passed away. So there's a lot of stuff there
that that showed me credible evidence.
And I think it would be a bit disrespectful and ignorant of me
to ignore all these incredible things that that Mel has tried
to do for us. And I, if I ever ignored them or
brushed them off, you know, it, it would just seem so
inappropriate because she was making every effort there was
and the things were solid. I mean, these are incredible
things and I just wanted to embrace.
So then how do you, what's the first move?
What's the first prototype? What do you think?
You don't know how you don't know what you're trying to
capture. So what is it that you felt you
had to create in order to capture whatever it is that you
thought it might be trying to capture?
You know what I mean? Yeah, so I think the next step
was I became fascinated with the paranormal and I started
watching TV shows. I think the first one I watched
was Ghost Hunting Ghost Hunters. Sure, of course.
You know, like everybody else. And I was watching them and I'm
like these guys, these guys are missing a point here that they,
they don't even have good equipment.
So I said, you know, they're using, I think the, the most
technical piece of equipment they're using was AK 2M.
And I'm like, you know, I can, I can do something better, you
know, I can do something better that could help them get more
information or more evidence. So your consulting brain comes
on first. You're looking at what they're
using, right? And you're like.
How can I fix this? How do I how do I fix it?
How do I improve it? How do I make them more
efficient? How do I improve the quality of
the results that they're getting?
But tell me. But tell me, what is AK-2 meter
exactly? Tell me and probably most of our
audience knows, but I'm the noob here.
I I. Yeah, AK 2 2 meter is, is just a
very simple EMF meter that detects a any, any time you have
current flowing through it through a wire, it's going to
generate, you know, a signal or a field.
So it's an electromagnetic field detector.
Yeah. So I mean it, it wasn't designed
for that purpose. It was designed for just basic,
you know, just checking circuits to make sure things are on or
off, you know, just basic stuff. And, and K2 Meter.
I was very good friends with the president and founder of K2.
And over the years I developed a rapport with him that was very
nice. He's since retired and moved on,
did a smart thing. I think when you get to be our
age, you want to kind of clear your minds a little bit and just
move on, have fun. But so I, I decided to create a
device called A and I named it the Mel meter.
And, and I, I had the model number was 87 O four.
So the year she was born in the year that she transitioned
spirit, that's where the the model number comes from.
And so I combined temperature and I combined EMF together.
That was the foundation for a series of products that I I
started creating around that initial design or prototype, so.
But but before, before we jump ahead, because this is where
sort of the whole point of what we, John and I are doing here,
which is this idea of we're trying to find out what are
spirits, right? Like, what are they now?
You create a divide. You're watching this show.
They're using an EMF detector as one piece of equipment.
Maybe spirits are energy. What made you think that that
was the right direction? Plus temperature?
Like what do I mean, Garrett? What do you think spirits are?
I OK, let's let's talk about. In order to in order to detect
them. What do you think they are?
Yeah, well, let's let's go back to what?
What I, I knew nothing about it. I still, you know, I'm still
naive. I, I really don't understand it.
Keep in mind, this is all new to me.
So, but I would watch that K2 meter blink OK on TV and I'm
like, there's got to be something more to it.
All right? We experienced, you know, the
electronic phenomena, the doorbell, the, the television,
you know, Cindy and I would be in bed in the middle of the
night and the TV would come on 50 feet down the hallway in the
bonus room. And it would do that.
And we, we couldn't understand why.
So. So there was a lot of stuff
happening. And then there was one instance
where Cindy and I were going to bed and when we were pulling the
covers down on the bed, she was on one side and I was on the
other side. Music, music filled our bedroom.
Now catch this music filled the bedroom all around us and we're
looking each other and we both hear it and we're like, where's
this music coming from? We don't have speakers in the
ceilings. We don't.
It's just a bedroom with a television.
And it was like music I've never heard before.
It was like a portal opened up in that bedroom and all of a
sudden musical tones and, and a man's voice was emerging from
some, I don't know, some unknown source within the space that
we're walking through. Gary, what would you, what would
you describe the the music as? Bear with me here.
Is it almost like when you hear an electric car go by and like
it's got those weird harmonics, but.
Like from a distance, those musical tones with you, almost
like musical instrumentation. And then a man's voice was
talking through it. And here's the thing on on that,
John, when, when that happened, it was enveloped within a space
within the room. It started above our bed and
then it started floating the the music.
It went from our bedroom to the door.
And my wife and I are are actually able to track the
position of it and then we're walking next to it and then it
went into the hallway. And you're following this at
the. Following the music in the man's
voice and we're following it all the way down the hallway, 50
feet into the bonus room and then it dissipates and goes away
are. Is it the same man who told you
to open your arms? I don't know.
Fell out of that tree. I have no idea.
Yeah, that's I, you know, I can tell you this much, Gary.
You know, I'm just skimming the surface on the stuff that's
happening. I mean, I started having out of
body experiences. I started having astral travel.
Melissa would literally come and take me from my dream and and
the next thing I would know, I'd be in in a the most beautiful
place in the world and in some dimension that I can't even tell
you where I was, except it felt like heaven, you know, and it
looked like heaven. So I mean, I, I don't want to
get scattered in in, in my thoughts with you right now,
but. No, no, no, we already, we
already got way off base of like what?
What do you think spirits are that you can detect them.
So let's try to get back on. Let's try to get back on that.
Track real easy that yeah get off I.
Know it is it's why I mean, you're a great storyteller too.
These these these experiences you've had are are so
fascinating to hear. So yeah, what what was it?
What did you think you were? What do you think spirits are
that you tried to you were trying to detect at first?
Well, OK, so, so all I know, you know, is that that, you know,
people are saying that spirits were EMF and that they're
causing or spirits were generating EMF, they're causing
the K2 to function. But but what I believe it is
now, and and I didn't know what it was, but I believe it is, is,
you know, spirits are energy. There's no doubt about it.
But you know it, it is a a fully condensed kernel of
consciousness, which you know, when we pass, you've got your
soul and it's a it, a spirit is really comprised of soul and
consciousness. And I've had spirits tell me
that through my ITC devices, because I asked him, I said, you
know what, what are you comprised of?
Is, is, is it, are you part soul and consciousness or, you know,
do some of your heart and feelings combined with that?
And they, and they basically broke it down for me and said,
you know, you're, you're on the right track, Gary.
You know soul and consciousness are part of the same thing You
basically have. You know that going for you now,
are you? Defining soul from a religious
perspective? Did you grow up religious, Gary?
Or are you saying soul is a euphemism for energy here?
No. All right, let's let's backtrack
a little bit. OK.
So, you know, I I grew up Catholic, OK?
And I yeah, I used to go to church.
My mom would take us to church. I went to CCDI, went to
catechism. You know, I I did all that
stuff. You know, I got my confirmation.
All those things I went through. OK, when the kids are growing
up, our kids are growing up. I, I gave them a choice they
could do, they could follow whatever beliefs were important
to them. Now, we instilled specific
beliefs into our kids so that they would have a path to
follow, but we didn't force the kids to do anything that they
didn't want to do. In that case, I think 2 two of
the kids went to CCD and I can't remember if Melissa did or not.
If she if she was confirmed, I don't think she was.
For those that don't know, CCD is like Catholic school for kids
that go to public school and stuff if they don't go, so it
teaches them how to do it. John and I both went to a
Catholic elementary school, so we didn't.
So you're not all the. CCD, all the CCD kids would come
in on Thursdays and we would have half days.
You know, that was how it broke down.
So I, you know, I mean, I would go to CCD and, you know, I'd
have a nun there. And if I did something wrong,
you know, they would slap you with a ruler on on the back of
the hand. I mean, that's how it was.
And, and I didn't care for that. You know, let's get at least,
you know, I don't care for that and I still don't care for that.
And I don't go to church, but it doesn't mean that I don't have
religion in my heart and it certainly doesn't mean that I
does. I, I don't believe in a higher
power or an infinite light. I do believe in that.
So getting back on track with the male meter and why I came up
with that, that whole idea. And as far as what I believe the
spirit is spirit is energy. But but when I was in the
hereafter, when I was able to visit with Melissa's help and
she showed me around, everything there seemed so perfect, as she
had explained to Jennifer. I mean, one time I I I got there
and she grabbed me by the hand. She says, Daddy, I want to show
you around. We literally Gary, we literally
flew together hand in hand and she showed me the landscape
animals, the green, the waterfalls, I mean, and then
that I don't know how long it lasted, but when it was ending,
it always ends the same way for me.
I feel a pull. I feel that something is
happening and I'm going to be taken back to my dream state.
And I always tell her I don't want to go.
You know that I, the euphoric feeling that you have is
something you don't want to let go of.
And and then, you know, I, when I said to her last thing, I
while we're flying over these animals, it was just gorgeous.
They're looking up at us and everything.
And I'm like, I don't want to leave now.
I want to stay with you. She just squeezed my hand and
released it and I saw a light and it went from a big white
light to a pinpoint. And then I woke up in bed.
And that seems to be how my astral travel occur, how those
things, how I interact with that.
It's really a blessing. I I don't have any of the way of
explaining how it works, but. So all right, so then you you've
got this prototype for the Mel meter right now.
When how did it? How did its first sort of
moments go for you? Did you feel you were on like
this isn't right, This is working.
You're, you're on to something like what was the, what was the
progression of that? OK so so I created the first.
Article like data, like real hard data of what you're
experiencing. How did that you know?
Well, you know, there's a lot. There's a lot.
I love both sides of your brain here.
Like it's just so. Fascinating to there's a lot,
there's a lot that goes, goes into that and, and, you know,
obviously there's the design aspect, but more importantly,
you're, you're doing something. And I mean, an EMF meter is
nothing out of the ordinary. It's not that hard to create
something that, that can detect a field change.
But when, when you design a product and you have it and you
use it as, As for testing, how do you actually test it?
You know, in a, from a spiritual connectivity point of view?
I mean, you really can't. So the only thing I can say is
you during my test process and validation process, you know,
there's a lot. I did repeatability studies.
You can only do so much from from a spiritual kind of thing.
But my instinct there was getting the meter into the hands
of the professional investigators that could best
utilize something more effectively in in some of these
locations than I ever could. So I had to make sure that the
meter ended up in the hands of people who could benefit through
the use of that device. I started giving them away.
I started giving away to, I mean, I went to events, I was
invited when I created, went to events.
I made sure that Ghost Hunters had the device, that some of the
people were using the device. And then I would observe their
interactions with it on television or in talking with
them, you know, or they would call me up all excited, you
know, saying that, you know, the things spiked out or this
happened or that happened. I can remember with Zach using
it on one of of his episodes in Europe somewhere and watching an
anomaly of of a white orb come and enter literally high speed,
enter into the coil section of the Mel meter and all of a
sudden watch the display blow out.
Literally just go out and they acknowledge that and they ended
up sending it back to me. There's actual damage to the
meter and I was trying to understand, comprehend what I
had actually seen, and it was mind boggling that something
like that could happen. So the learning curve for me to
pick up on all of these incredible interactions was
something that I obtained over a long period of time.
So you felt that capturing an electromagnetic field change and
a temperature change was definite, like for, you know, a
definite sign of some sort of activity, spiritual activity.
At this point, with this device that you've created, you now
have confirmation after field tests with other people.
This is where you're at. Yeah, I would say, yeah, I would
say that that was important. But more importantly, there I
had in watching some of these shows, I'd recognize that a lot
of people say, do you feel this cold spot over here?
There's a cold spot. It's no, it's over here, you
know, that kind of stuff. I'm like, what are they talking
about? You know, and then they, they
came up with the, the premise that, well, you know, when, when
there's manifestation, they're absorbing surrounding energy
and, and they're creating a void and it's a cold spot.
And I'm like, none of that makes sense to me, you know, And I
mean that it sounded kind of silly, you know?
And so I'm like art. So if I put a, a min Max or if
I'm capable of detecting a rapid change.
So I had a setting on the millimeter that could read 10
times faster than any of the meter.
So now I can do 1010 samples per second.
So now I can capture the peak min or the peak Max.
So if there was a transient cold temperature that occurred within
a spot and you're holding the meter and that enters into one
of these cold spots, if you have it adjusted properly, you're
going to capture that and be able to show the other members
of your group. Here's what I just experienced
physically. And here's the empirical data
that shows that I captured that and you show it to the camera on
TV. OK, so I was looking for ways of
of not only them talking about what they're experiencing, but I
wanted them to prove it to their audience by showing them what
they had physically felt. So how do you do that?
But see, that's my thought, you know, So that's.
Right. Yeah.
So I started adding sound to it. OK, if so.
So now I have hot, I created my ATDD, which is ambient
temperature deviation detection circuit.
So I created a new circuit. I said, OK, people on TV can't
feel what you're feeling. So if I create this and I create
a one octave tone step for each degree, and you have a cold spot
and the temperature goes DDDDD and now other people can realize
what you're experiencing and you can't fool it.
So I want other people who are watching the show to hear those
tones going off and you're saying that there's a cold spot.
So that's my thought process. You know, I wanted people to
prove what they're actually saying that they're doing, and I
wanted to find ways of doing it that could not be tricked, OK,
or fooled. That was important to me.
Sure. So oh, sorry.
No, no, that's that's pretty much what I wanted to talk about
with. No, no, it's great.
You know, I love, I love hearing that.
I mean, it is. I love hearing the progression
of it. So Gary, I, I have a question
for you. Sure.
Do you feel, do you feel that when these devices go off that
they're picking up on an actual entity or a by product of an
entity, whether you know it's coming into this reality or you
know manifesting in some way that maybe we can't see or hear
but the device picks up or both? Do you think it's a possibility
of both? Yeah.
OK. Well, first, from, from my
experience and what I know to be true for me, OK, is that there
are a lot of spirits that are earthbound spirits, OK, and a
lot of negative spirits too. And when people are doing
investigation, there are indeed spirits, different forms of
spirits. I'm sure you being Investigator
John, you've experienced shadow entities, you've experienced,
you know, voice phenomena, you've experienced all those
things. Well, those are those are
spiritual, spiritual energies that that are comprised of of
almost like different compositions to me.
You know, the the spirit that is talking through a spirit box may
not necessarily be in the location.
It could be separated by a thin veil of another realm, but
they're spirits that have not crossed over mostly.
At least that's what I've learned.
It doesn't mean that you're not going to talk to a spirit that
has crossed over because I've got many audio files in which
I've had communication for up to 20 minutes talking to my family
members with some of my research platforms that I've created,
which I don't, I don't sell. So, and I posted a lot of that
stuff on my YouTube. But I, I think that spirits in
general have, have the capacity to take different forms and
interact with us in different ways.
A negative entity will take it upon themselves to interfere
with you and your space and your persona, your consciousness.
Whether it's a pain in the side of the head, whether it's an
earring, a ringing in the ear. They have the capacity to read
your thoughts. They have the capacity to mimic
your thoughts and repeat things that you know, they know you're
thinking about before you even say them.
I've, I've experienced all that stuff, you know, So I know for a
fact that all the times I've spoken to Melissa, she has
altered my state of consciousness and everything
that occurs between us is through telepathy.
Everything. It's my voice, but I'm not
talking with my mouth. It's her voice.
I have no idea how she does it. It's not something that I turn
on or off. It may be because I have the
sensitivity to, to feel and sense it, but it's something
that she turns on and off and connects with me.
And same way when you go out and all of a sudden you have a
headache or you feel dizzy or off balance or sick to your
stomach. I've experienced all those
things. They have the capacity to alter
you. And if they're really nasty,
they have the capacity to change your life in some pretty bad
ways. So I don't know if that answered
your question precisely, but I think that there's so much
unknown. I, you know, I can remember when
I first started off, I only thought that spirits, spirit,
because of all the beautiful things that happened between
Melissa and our family, that everything was good and that I
was immune to, you know, extraneous interferences from
other sources of spirits. But you know, when you're going
through a bereavement process or you're feeling grief, negative
energy is naturally attracted to you because they want to abuse
and take advantage of your weaknesses.
So that was a natural magnetic attraction for negative entity
entities to come around us knowing that we had a loving
connection with the hereafter and with our loved ones to try
to abuse that and take advantage of certain situations.
And it's not just me. They do that with a lot of
people, so. Did you ever try to create
something to block that? A negative, you can't.
And if you have an attachment, there's no way that you're going
to get rid of it unless you're, you have the capacity and the
capability of building up your own internal immune system.
And, and I've had attachments, OK, so I know how they act.
I know how they behave and my attachment.
Gary, did you just say a fancy word for intent?
Is that? What?
You meant by that that that your your own, your own internal
immune system, spiritual immune system.
Is that intent John John recall John calls that intent like he
tells people you have to have a very.
Strong, I might have to steal that from you, Gary.
As opposed to you called it, you called it your, you called it
your internal immune system, spiritual immune system.
Yeah, that's that's I like that. OK, well, I guess what I'm
trying to reflect is, is that if something happens to you and you
know you have an attachment that starts interfering with your
life, most people don't recognize it, OK?
And because they're very subtle, subtle ways in which they can
interfere with with what you do. I mean, John, I don't know if
you've ever experienced negative energy before or any of you, but
but basically, they can cause your mind to drift.
They can you could have brain farts you, you could lose your
focus so easily. You know, if you're, if you're
not strong enough to be able to stay on in, in a particular
zone, they can cause you to just, you know, space out.
And not only that, but they can also cause you to have bad
thoughts and most, and they can cause you to harm yourself or
other people in serious attacks. I mean, a full blown psychic
attack isn't a bad spirit or a bad person in spirit form.
That is a group and they're like a mob, OK?
They will literally saturate you to the extent that you can't
sleep, you can't eat, you can't think, you know, there's so many
different things. And when I say this, I'm I'm not
saying it as as, as something that I'm just pulling out of
thin air. These are actual experiences
that I've been through in my life.
So and, and they're horrendous. And if you don't have a good
support mechanism around you, loving family, a wife that
understands, you know, it can get really difficult.
It becomes a very challenging and a lot of people don't really
understand that for whatever reason it it does happen.
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen, I've been, I've
been documenting spirits for almost five years now on social
media. And that's just social media and
watching other people that do this.
I've watched the decline of many people that are into anything
that has to do with spirits just slowly decline.
And you could just, I mean, you could just the way they deal
with their audience, the way they deal with personal things
around them, you just watch them decline.
And you know, I have one big thing I always speak about is
mental health. And it's like, Hey, if I go live
and I'm doing my thing and I go, hey, tonight we're going to take
it easy. It's not because, you know, I'm
bored. It's not because this is
because, hey, too much of this is too much time to dial it back
a little bit laugh, a little bit smile.
But I've watched the decline. I and, and I say it all the
time. I think some, but some people
that are declining to have attachments and they just, they
just can't tell. They have no idea because almost
becomes like part of their nature.
Well, you know if. Brain fog is a is part of
attachment, John. Then I'm going to have somebody
go do an exorcism on you, bro, just to get you because I fight
this guy on brain fog all the time.
But we just don't know that. Was my stroke, though That was a
stroke that had nothing to do with that, not to do with
spirits. Your comment, John, is really
well taken because you can, you can see, you can feel and sense
just by some of the content that people post.
OK. And I've seen that happen where
somebody would write a remote like a an e-mail or a post the
end. They're just going in different
directions. And yeah, I mean, they're, they
don't have any focus. They're angry at something, but
they don't understand what that anger where it derives from.
And so really, you know, when I, when I say to you that you have
to build up, you know, your own resistance to that, that's
something that you have to work on as an individual.
That's an individual. Yeah, you can't get, you know,
and I'll tell you what. There's no one formula.
There's no hey, do this. It's it's each, each person is
different. Sure, there's similarities, but
each person is different. And it needs to be your own
personal truth and exploration that, you know, defines that.
Yeah, no, I agree 100%. I've had a lot of, I've had a
lot of people try to like if when I had a really bad
attachment, this goes back 15 years ago.
I've had people try to help me. And I mean, I've had, you know,
leading people in the in this field from demonologist to
mediums, you name, you could name some very popular names and
they try to help me where I've met with them.
In some cases, I've flown, you know, to Chicago to try to meet
with people that could help me, and nothing worked.
At all. Nothing.
Gary, I, I, I have a question. After all these years of you, of
you being in this field, does does Melissa still visit you?
Oh, that's awesome. That is, that is.
Awesome. Well, and, and I, I, I want to,
I want to bring this up to what this is a good segue here to
talk about this, John, because you went from detection in your
inventions to communication. And, you know, look, the PS-7 or
the PSB 7, the PSB 11, the, these things are ubiquitous.
There's not a ghost hunter out there.
And it's not doesn't have I got one of those.
I mean, these things are, you know, what, what was your design
philosophy behind these boxes? When did you decide?
Like how did you go from that to this, this form of, you know,
detection to communication? OK, so, so that's really, I'm,
I'm really happy you brought that up, Gary, because what
happened was somebody approached me and they, they explained that
you could talk or hear spirits through a sweep radio.
I didn't know what they're talking about.
And I certainly didn't believe that was possible.
In fact, I was kind of like making fun of it, you know,
because, you know, they're radio stations to me.
And again, you have to, I have to have something tangible to
have to hold it at, to hear it, at see it, you know, those are
all things that that are just part of my logical mind.
But somebody gave me a hack, a RadioShack hack box.
They sent it to me. They sent it to me.
And that's. What I used to use, I used to,
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And, and so I, I was living in Connecticut and I put it down on
the table and I turned it on and Cindy's doing the dishes and I'm
sitting there listening to this. I'm like shaking my head.
I'm like, I hear radio stations. I hear every single radio
station I can hear. And then all of a sudden I hear
F you, you know, going through it.
And I'm like, whoa, sin, did you hear that?
Like. No FCC right?
That's not radio right there. FCC guidelines, I swear.
To I swear I just heard him say that on the radio.
I said, so whoa, OK, boom. Bells and whistles and smoke
coming out of my head. This isn't right, you know?
So, so then so that kind of like got me thinking, all right, so
now we got a hack box. How are these guys doing this?
So they're buying RadioShack hack box boxes, hacking into
them just to make them sweep. And then after using it for, I
don't know, I went to the Queen Mary and I brought it with me
and I was in my little bunk room, part of an event or
something and I turned it on and I had a voice say my name and
I'm like, that did it. OK, something, there's something
more here. I have to explore this.
And so I set off and I started creating my own FM circuit and
my own tuner, and I started experimenting with different
frequency speeds, sweep speeds. And I said, OK, if I'm going to
do this, how could it again? How could I improve it, make it
better, more efficient? So I came up with AP-SP7 and the
P-SP7. I could sweep and you could
adjust the different sweep speeds on the fly.
You could adjust it was small that could fit into your shirt
pocket. All right.
And if you want to, you could, I came out with a speaker output
with a little more powers, like 250 milliwatts of power and then
17 milliwatts of power for earbuds.
And you know, I just added some bells and whistles, backlit
display and turn on and off. Just different, little different
changes that would improve somebody's use of the product,
which, you know, I think I did it for myself, you know, because
I wanted to learn more about it at that point.
So that was the infancy stage. And yes, you know, we've been
selling that product for 15 years.
And yes, there's hundreds of thousands of those all over the
world. But my, my thought process on
that was if I make a standard product that anybody could buy,
think about the data that could be shared with all these people
now using a standard off the shelf device.
Think of all the posts and all the communication and all the
links of people talking. Now we can add more credibility
to some of these responses that are coming through.
And you know, that was my premise for, for coming out with
the P-SP7 when I first turned on my prototype.
And this is, I think it has, I don't know how many hundreds of
thousands of views, 250,000 views or something.
The first thing that came through it was, hi, it's me,
love you, just like that. And it was Mel's voice.
And that was my first Test of the device.
And that's got some really very, a lot of people have listened to
that over the past 15 years. That's incredible.
Is that is that cool? And then from there, from there,
you know, you start and I was giving my way.
I'd give like I, I say, OK, you know, guess the frequency on my
on my, on my Twitter, on my X account.
And, and I said, OK, I, I tuned it into a frequency.
Guess the frequency and the first one to guess gets, you
know, I'll send you all an SP7, you know, or I started handing
him out. That's when Zach started using
it all the time on his his show and Chris Fleming was using it
and a lot of people started using it and getting incredible
results. And everybody uses it.
There's not a guy, there's nobody.
It is the device. Well, I was disappointed because
I was watching John and he was using an app while he was
cleaning those headstones. John knows he has used the SP
but the SP 7 is out. Loud.
I come from AI, come from a time when I first started doing this.
We were modifying our own radios, the RadioShack radios we
So the sound drives me nuts, brings me back to a different
place, right? So that's my whole thing.
So I come from that time. So when I got back into the
paranormal, it started documenting spirits.
All the sudden there's this SP 7 and I'm like, where the hell was
this thing, you know, back in early 2000?
Where was this thing in 2001, 2002, when I was doing this?
You know, it didn't exist at the time.
So what, it's just, you know, a little funny thing.
But yeah, so I use, I use the apps and you know, that's just I
love but. For for for social, for social
media purposes, though, Gary, it's a little bit easier with
the apps be just because first to hear them sonically like he
would to use the SB-7 is more gear for him as he's out there,
right. So it's like he's got to have a
separate speaker set up. He's got to have more battery
power. He's got to have a little bit.
More the only, the only thing, the only thing that the apps
don't have, and I stress this all the time on my live streams,
is it's not their actual voices. When you use the SP7 or device
like it, whether it's an old, you know, old one that you
modified yourself or you get, you know, the SP7, you get a
chance to hear the actual voice of the, you know, the spirit as
as Gary said, you know, he heard his daughter's voice.
Like, no, that's, that's my daughter.
That's her voice. I know her voice, so that's
cool. It's just that sound.
But you know, it doesn't matter when you use those types of
devices, that's what you get. It drives me nuts with my ADHD.
Brown for now, so. For now, Uh oh.
Is this the, is this the, is this what we were talking about
before me, Dave? You're trying to get me excited,
man. Yeah, well, you know, you're,
you're the times are changing, right?
I mean, I've already found ways I sell little devices that
eliminate the sweep noise, right?
I sell I have the my ANC mini, I've got the APFD processor,
which you can rewind and re listen to stuff.
I'm on the fly all the time. But I do have a you know, and I
do have the P dash PSB 7 pro and I do have a an evolution of that
that that I've been right. No, the 11 is actually older
product, but the PSB 7 Pro is my latest and now I've got another
PSB seven. I'm not going to say what the
what the name is going to be called, but I'm working on that
product. And I was just playing with the
circuit just before we got on and my dad came through.
And the only thing I can tell you is, is, is limiting the
noise during the sweep. And I'm kind of curious, do you
think, Gary, do you think that you could hear?
What if I play something with my dad's voice coming through?
Do you think you'd be able to hear it?
I think so, yeah. All right.
Well, you see you got some clear audio there, right?
If not, you can e-mail to me afterwards and I'll add it in.
Well, yeah, let's just let me just play this for you.
Hold on. See if you hear this.
Let me go back. So right there you probably
can't hear it, but this is the the noise level now.
So what my dad is saying is I love you.
And what I've done is I've already figured out how to
remove the sweep noise and just allow spirit voices to come
through. That's something that was really
important because what I'm trying to do is address the next
generation of people who are interested in ITC instrumental
trans communication. And you know, a lot of time has
gone by since the SB7P-SB-7 was introduced.
And then I came out with the SB11, as you mentioned, the SB11
with noise control built into it.
That's a, a simultaneous dual channel dual sweep device.
So you can sweep AM and FM simultaneously.
You can sweep at different speeds.
You can 2/1 at 100 milliseconds, one at 200 milliseconds in FM
and you could also tune out the sweep noise simultaneously and
you get some really cool responses with that.
Well, one of the things, one of the faults that most people go
through today is being able to hear clearly.
And John, you know with all your experience that it takes time to
decipher and train your brain, OK, to hear those subtle
responses that most people just, you know, chalk off as being
noise or just, you know, whatever it is.
But there are things they are clearly that a seasoned
professional like yourself would have developed over time that
you can use in order to communicate fluently with spirit
right in a bi directional fashion.
So that you're talking, they're talking and you're talking back.
Your that's true ITC when you're getting multiple responses and
you're able to keep up with what they're saying.
And here's here's something else I've learned.
Not only are you rewarded by by getting additional communication
with spirits, they recognize that you're capable.
You're capable, capable person who can decipher and translate
in real time. And So what they do is they
reward you with more content and more communication.
The average person can't do that.
And it takes sometimes years for somebody to learn how to do
that. What I'm trying to do now is
make it so that the average person, for whatever reason,
whether they lost a spouse, a partner, a daughter, a a son, a
brother, whatever it is, it doesn't matter.
Give them the opportunity. Find a way to give them the
opportunity to be able to decipher and hear clearly enough
so that they can find that inner peace that allows them to live
their life. And continue on in in a way that
is meaningful to them. You know, a lot of people don't,
a lot of people end up going into a state of depression after
losing a spouse or a child or whatever.
And it's the recovery time for that is just ridiculous.
But but if you hear the voice of your loved one come through and
they say I love you, or they say you know I'm here or anything,
just any simple greeting, your heart is lifted in ways that no
medicine could ever do. I mean the healing properties
from just a very simple comment from your loved one and you
recognize that sound of their voice is the difference between
moving on in a fulfilling manner, you know, or?
I love that as a a motivation of yours of of creating this stuff,
we would be remiss if we don't talk about one more device that
is just as ubiquitous as the P-SB-7, which is the R.E.M.
Pod. Oh, the R.E.M. pod.
Yeah, the R.E.M. Pod is everywhere and you know,
I mean. Not only is the R.E.M.
Pod everywhere. I mean there's tons of proximity
sensor versions that came after of it.
You know, everyone, it's so funny.
Literally people get like I had a custom one made and and I tell
people it's a proximity sensor and they're like, oh, it's a
R.E.M. pod and I'm like no, R.E.M. pod is an actual brand.
You know Kleenex to nose tissue. You know, R.E.M.
Pod, it's everywhere. So what?
What led you to now?
You went from detection on one level communication and then the
the R.E.M. pod and a a sort of a different form of detection.
What's the where was the process there?
OK, so. So there's a couple of things I
want to address. The for the first thing is the
R.E.M. pod. The the R.E.M.
Pod is a specialized capacitive circuit, OK, And it does
generate an electromagnetic magnetic field.
The reason I came up with a RAMPOD is I wanted something
that could compete and do better than the K2 Meter.
Now the RAMPOD is 13 years, 14 years old too.
So I mean that goes way back in time.
So what I ended up doing was. It's very similar to a Thurman,
right? That was my understanding.
On a Rampod, it's basically a Thurman, yeah.
Let's let's get into that. So So what happened was I
started, I started doing research.
One of my favorite shows as a kid was Lost in space.
Lost in Space they used with Billy Mummy and and Angela
Cartwright and all those those actors and actresses.
And one of one of the devices that they use for sound effects
was a theremin device. And so I knew that that using a
heterodyne principle, I could I could modify some software and
then utilize that to form words. My goal there was to research
and learn more about creating some kind of verbal interaction
with spirit. So I started buying off the
shelf. Theremin's some of the more
expensive, and I did a lot of time with it.
And I'm like, all right, this is going to take me some time to,
to perfect. So I had to decide whether or
not I was going to do that or put some time and research into
my spirit boxes, my sweep radios and stuff like that.
So I ended up I wanted something to compete with the with the K2,
but in a different way. So I end up finding, as you
mentioned, John, I found this little circuit, a little red
circuit called a theremin, A theremin board.
So I took that, I modified it a little bit and I'm like, OK, so
the only way to find out if my theory is correct, I have to
have it out in the field for people to, to play with and see
what kind of results people get in haunted locations.
So I took that. I created a product called a
Rampod which is trademarked and registered and I.
What's the name come from? What's the name come from?
It was just something in my head.
It was just something that came up and I remember writing down
stuff, all these names down. And what I did was I went to my
local Ace Hardware store and I walked up and down the aisles
and I'm looking at the plumbers couplings.
I'm like that, that might be that might be perfect.
So I bought a three inch plumbers coupling with threads
on the bottom and I'm like, OK, the next thing, what else do I
need? OK, I'm like, all right, how do
I take this? Can I put the circuit in that?
So I came up with that. I started creating a cutting
plastic acrylic plexiglass, if you will, and I started creating
covers and I started creating a bottom plate.
I started buying a 9 Volt battery coupling and I just
started building them from scratch and putting the red
circuit board inside there and like in my mind I see a vision
of of what is that I want and it created this round pod shaped
device and so I I called it a R.E.M. pod and R.E.M.
Was for radiated EM and obviously I just said pod, you
know, and that's pretty much how the product came to be, except
once it got out the field you were assembling them.
I was mixing glow resin. The initial design was glow
resin to where I was literally mixing epoxies and pouring in
glow powder and pouring that over the LE DS and using a heat
gun to take all the bubbles out and make it like glass.
And I was putting so much time into it.
And the first place that went, I think was to Zach.
And then I started selling them. We had, we only had the capacity
to make five of those a day. I'll never forget that five a
day. And from that I started seeing
incredible results in the field. And so I designed a more
elaborate circuit, which then had my own thoughts and in what
I thought would make it better, which was adjustable
sensitivity, adjustable sound. And now my latest is the Rampod
Rev 3. I've actually incorporated my
voice. Is that?
Is that the one with the firmware in it?
Now what? It's got some sort of.
The Rev Rev 2 had had the capacity to adjust sensitivity
in five levels and it had auto 0 built into it.
So you had range adjustment, Auto Zero, and you had my ATDD
temperature with audible tones built into it.
And then from there, I just created my new R.E.M.
POD Rev 3, which now gives you full creative control over all
the sound elements. My voice.
The tones are more distinctive, so you can now correlate a tone
with a particular color in your mind.
So you don't have to be there to look at it.
It's not a buzzing sound. It's a clear, decisive tone that
you can hear. And so you know, over time,
evolution and, and time, you start to create different
things. But as you mentioned, John, the
the worst enemy that we had with that product was the knock offs
from China. They, they bought my product and
they literally sucked all my software out of it.
And so that forced me to create the Rampod Rev 3.
So I can stay one I have to say at least 2 steps ahead of.
Them one step. Yeah, Yeah, you have to.
So that's that's pretty much how the Rampod came about.
Gary, I got a few more questions for you if you've got the time.
Because this has been absolutely.
This is absolutely fascinating for for for me.
So all right, all your devices, right.
So for investigators now, and they're going to go out and use
in the field what, and for all the things you create and even
some of the things maybe that you've got up and coming that
you're hoping for. What, what what are the top
three pieces of of advice that you you they should have and
devices and and advice that you would give them when they're in
the field using your devices? Well, the the biggest thing that
I learned, this is very important.
The biggest thing that I've learned was after people still
had so many questions, Gary, you know, like people were trying to
figure out what frequency did the spirit come through with
that response and nobody knew how to how to do that.
So I created a scientific platform that I call Radio XITC
now that is over 2000 software adjustments in it.
It was a tool for me so that when I develop new ITC devices,
it will incorporate some of the things I learned with this
highly technical platform that I created.
Everybody wanted to buy the when I start posting my research
audio segments. Everybody wanted to buy this
product and the connection and connectivity with Spirit.
I can talk to spirits using one frequency.
So there's no sweep sounds at all.
Spirits just talk through it. It's like a nap, John.
OK, Except for you actually hear their voices.
This is how I've had communication with my mom, with
Melissa, with my sister, with my dad, with my aunts.
I've had all of them come through and have conversations
with them, many of which are posted again on my YouTube
channel. So the radio X showed me not
only did it allow me to figure out the frequencies, but to
disprove and allow people to gain better confidence in what
they are hearing. I did.
I had a feature and I still have the feature that allows me to
record it and then play back and overlap the actual radio
broadcast with the spirit response in that same segment.
So if I'm listening and I hear a spirit say I love you, it allows
me to go back in real time to that segment of the radio
broadcast and play that and compare it to what the spirit
said in that same exact spot. So now anyone?
So. Wait, wait, I'm trying to get my
head around what you said that is so wait, so you're here.
Wait a minute. You're so if I hear I love you
come through the the like the, you know, like that comes
through like a quick blurb. I can go back and listen to a
non quick blurb of the station at that time.
Yeah. So it allows me, it allows me
now to be able to take proof. It allows you to prove it again,
empirical data. You've got data to substantiate
the response against the actual radio broadcast and, and those
that allowed me not only to not only be able to show people what
was broadcast and then show the spirit response which is
overlapped within that segment, it's a 10 second window.
Typically, I can narrow it down to 10 seconds, so I can play
whatever's been played on that station and then show you and I
can go back and forth. So I can and show you how that
was created because my device has special filtering in it and
it shows you by introducing and changing the signal strength in
my filtering. And all those little elements,
when you combine them together, you're creating.
It's a window of opportunity for spirits to communicate more
fluently in that little segment. Wait, which device is?
This oh this is my Radio X ITC device.
This is your radio. But it's not for sale.
I did this is the one he this. Is your own sort of thing.
I love it, it's so cool. I used it.
I used it on 2 television shows. The last one, it was in one was
at a sanitarium in Illin, where was it?
Indiana San Sanitarium or something like that.
And then the other one was at the Glen Tavern on Ghost
Adventures and in the sanitarium I had a full blown conversation.
Spirits were telling me where they were, why they were there,
they were caught. They called out my name 2 times
and I'm having a conversation with them.
It was the most extraordinary thing I've experienced in the
field. This is like, you know, my my
segment was lasted 3 hours. I mean, I had cameras all around
me. Well, look, I mean now this is
that is the coolest thing I've heard too.
That is a wild device. But again, but now that's not
for sale. So we we once again taking
ourselves off the train. What do we tell the guys that
are out there hunting that don't have the radio?
You know, this radio X. What are they?
What is their your advice to them with your devices in terms
of you know how they should be approaching these locations with
your equipment and using them the right way to get a ton of
data they should be getting? So the the most so from that
radio xitc I created a device called APFD processor.
The APFD processor takes audio input.
It could be from an app if you can go through Bluetooth.
Excuse me, you can go through Bluetooth or you can, you know,
just connect some audio output directly to it.
But the APFD processor allows me to adjust my low and high pass
filtering. It allows me to rewind something
that I hear, but I want to prove to myself I heard it.
So you can rewind it in 10 second increments.
If you press it, you press the rewind button one time, you go
back 10 seconds, you press the rewind button, you go back 20
seconds and so on and so forth. It has the ability of cancelling
the noise of the sweep, it has a built in speaker and it also has
a separate audio output so you can a novice.
And it also has a graphical depiction of the audio profile
which scrolls by on the screen so you can see the artifact in
real time as it's been created, the voice and speech has been
created. So that device combined with
your SB-7, your SB-7 Pro, your SB11, whatever you have, OK,
works with any device. And it's really a research tool
for for people who aren't having difficulties deciphering what
they hear. Because in that moment in time
when that response goes through, it's gone.
But it's not gone with the APFD. The APFD allows you to play it
back slower, to rewind and play it as many times as you want
until it sinks in. Up here, once it sinks in, then
it gives you a chance to learn how to use the device and learn
how to decipher what you're hearing from Spirit.
So that tool is an essential in anybody's toolbox in my opinion,
because it takes a novice and helps train that individual to
be able to hear and learn and, and basically you're modifying
the way that you hear things audibly, not only.
They can find that. They can find that on your
website. Yeah.
It sounds like a great, great weapon against one of the bangs
of the paranormal that I always speak about, which is audio
pareidolia. Exactly.
It would it's a it allows you, John, to analyze things more
carefully, OK, and make an informed decision what you
believe you're hearing without guessing.
All right. And you know, if you're doing a
live episode and you and I should talk John, because I
understand you do a lot of stuff on your, the social media and
stuff. And if I can help you, if I help
you advance in that area with some of my equipment, I'd be
happy to do that for you. So I mean, the APFD processor, I
have an armband that you put on your arm and it connects here.
So now you have a free hand and then you're holding your SP7 or
whatever device it connects by Bluetooth from the SP7 to this
device. If you hear something, you can
tap the buttons. OK, so you know you've got you
want to rewind it, play it back to your listening artist.
Do you hear that? Or do it again slow.
That's cool, John, if you can put the phone through that,
that's. Cool, slow it down, speed it up,
you know, change the filtering. Wow.
So when you hear a spirit response, it's a low tone and
you want to elevate that. So we'll do is we let we let the
higher frequencies pass through to elevated it up, you know, so
it's you can hear it more clearly.
So those are things for me. It's all about how do I improve
the way that you enjoy your investigation?
How do I make it better for you as a person, not just a me too
product. It's, it's something that I
benefited from and I learned from through my radio X and then
there the SB-7 Pro, the features I learned that spirits
manipulate fragmentated or fragmentation of, of small bits
of radio. OK, So what I did with my PSB 7
Pro is when, when you use a, a radio, you are are taking steps
in 100 kHz frequencies. So, so it'll go, you know, 98
point 198.2. What I've done with radio X with
my SB-7 Pro is I'm taking 10 kHz steps or 20 kHz steps or 40 or
60 or 80 or so you select how many fragments you want to hear
around the predominant stations. So if you have a strong station,
the leading and trailing edges of that strong station, you're
picking up little bits of radio leading up to the predominant
station. And then you're also picking up
little bits of radio on the trailing edge.
And they're small splintered pieces.
And what spirit will do is they'll take those small little
pieces and they will manipulate those frequencies to form more
words. And in many cases I've had as
many as 11 word sentences coming out of it, so.
That's what the process of. Splint splintered spirits.
Oh, yeah, there you go. That's probably right.
That's how I'm looking at you. And I'm thinking splinters here,
splintered, OK. And and so that's allows you to
do it now with my newest product that I'm working on right now.
And I'll just let you in on a little bit.
What I've done is in the SB-7 Pro, I've taken my separate APFD
processor and I've combined that into the SP7 Pro.
And I also give you the ability to rewind it okay and record it
in, in my, my device. So and I'm just I'm I'm working
out software bugs right now. So this so this new let's just
say the new SB-7, right? We don't want the exact name.
Yeah, the new SB-7 with the with that, that will also have the
ability if I wanted to connect to Bluetooth, what let's say a
random app that I'm using. Well, the the new SB-7 is in
itself a complete ITC sweep device.
It's a radio, OK, and it does have Bluetooth built into it,
but that Bluetooth is allows you to transmit to a remote speaker
or you know. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
You want that other John? You want that other thing?
Do you want the AFB? Do you just want that?
What? What's it called again?
The. D process.
The APF you want. That yes, yes, yes, that sounds.
That sounds something that you should play with because if it
can, if you could stop, if you could stop and then just go,
hey, what was that? And then go boot and then you
can go back 10 seconds and then you share it again for your
audience when you're live. That's how it works.
Yes, it but, but it it to my, my, my whole mindset on it.
Gary, I find all this insanely interesting.
I'm loving everything I'm hearing, right?
But like right now what I've been doing, what I've been doing
lately is running multiple apps, right?
I'll have this one and that one, I'll have four different ones
going each one. And these are, you know,
competitive companies, right? The ghost tube is better than,
you know, transcend theory and Transcend theory is better than
Necromic. You know, these are all these
different, you know, they, they're all in competition with
each other, yet they all work together.
Like I'll have the spirit coming through on one of the dispirit
coming through on the other. And it's all coherent
conversation. It's not just like random
imagine, imagine with that, then being able to incorporate the
basics of the SP7 along with what the other guy was talking
about that I would love being able to stop and rewind and be
like, hey, you know, let's go back and listen to that for a
minute. Hold on, let me isolate this.
This is what this was. Well, yeah, it's it's good.
It's all deadly, dude. But I mean for like for those
times, John, when you're walking and you don't have 16 different
apps going and you're not clean, like if you just have the one
app rolling. Well, I only have one going when
I'm walking. It's only one when walking, and
that would be notable, but only one when walking.
But that that device would be that's like, wait a minute, what
was that? Because you're always talking,
you're always sitting there gabbing away to your audience.
And if you had and you heard something you weren't sure, you
could be like, wait a minute, did I just hear it?
And then you could quickly go boop and then you'd hear it
again. You can even slow it down.
I mean, that's that's that's that's up your alley, bro.
We got to talk about this. That's like, yeah, that's some.
And it sounds like it's real easy to use and you strap it on.
It's. Very easy to use and it's it's,
it's designed for field, you know, practical use.
I mean it's designed for the field.
It's small enough and slight enough and it uses a
rechargeable 9 Volt battery. And you know, I don't know,
it's, it's something that that for the dynamics of it will
allow you to engage better with your audience.
You know, just. We got to talk about that.
We got to get you in. Yeah, I got, I got one more
question for you. You have given us probably more
time than anybody and I appreciate it like it is this
has. Been awesome.
This has been I. Mean.
Good. Our whole thing is spirit
communication. What are spirits?
And you're like, you know, the godfather of it all, man.
I mean, it's like there's not a single ghost center out there
who doesn't use your stuff. And your story has been
incredible. So I mean, I, I really just want
to know from you as an engineer and as a father, you know, and,
and as a spiritual believer here, what's the future of this?
Where do you want to see it? What do you think's coming next?
Well, I, I think I can only look at it from my own perspective
and the path that I've been on has been more than enlightening
to me because I have seen myself transform.
So I think that as we grow in this field together, I think
that we, especially guys like John, myself, anyone who has put
their heart and soul into learning and gaining knowledge
and wisdom in this field because because you have a, it's almost
like a seeded interest. It's, it's part of who you are
as a person. This is the path I, I should be
on and this is the path that I'm dedicated to it.
For whatever reason. I'm, it's not that I'm trying to
prove something to other people. It's something that I want from
within myself. And what I've noticed is the
future, as we gain more knowledge and as we grow in this
field, I think certain individuals have become more
sensitized and gain a more clear insight as to who we are as
spiritual beings. I mean, I have certain
sensitivities now, Gary, that I didn't have 20 years ago, all
from using and using skills that I believe I have inside of me.
So I think a lot of it is that most people today are too busy
to notice some of the most important things of who we are
as, as spiritual beings. We are spiritual beings.
I mean, I know, I, I, I've been out of body.
I mean, I've some of the stuff that I've done.
I, I, I shocked myself. I can remember feeling my arm
sitting on the side of the bed and saying in my dead, you know,
and how excited I was when when I first escaped my body.
And I heard that man say you are in the alpha because you're in
the alpha state. And hearing A rush of air in my
ears and then dislodging from my body the stuff that I've been
through. Most people can only look at
with an open mind and then hope that something like that is true
and that someday they have that kind of experience.
Because Gary, I, I, it is, I hope they do too.
I mean, that's it. That would be, that would change
the world as we know it for sure.
I mean, and I look for, if you're looking for all of the
gear we talked about, you got to go to proprohyphenmeasure.com.
This is Gary's company, the DAS Distribution, Inc,
prohyphenmeasure.com. I'll put that up, that link up
and it'll be a link to it in the link tree in our bio here as
well. And everything.
Gary and Gary, what's your YouTube channel?
It's. Just at Gary Galka.
At Gary Galka GALKA correct and Gary the best way to spell it
one R yeah the only way to spell it Gary Galka 134 year old
silver fox here with the body of a 40 year old yeah this guy
when. When's the, when's the, when's
the device coming out that siphons energy from the
afterlife and regenerate, you know?
Gives you who? Did you sell your soul to like,
what's the real figure? What, what deal did you make?
Yeah. I when you and I do believe some
people do make deals. I have no deals that I'm aware
of, man. I'll tell you what.
This cat looks good. Wait till you watch this
episode. If you're listening to it, hop
over to if you're listening to it on Spotify, hop over to
YouTube and look at this guy. It's that's the that's the most
unbelievable part of the whole story.
How old this man is, Gary, This has been absolutely wonderful.
I can't thank you enough for sharing this with us.
It's really, it really means a lot to us.
Thank you. Yeah.
My pleasure, my pleasure. We should do it again sometime.
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