1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,200 Gary, tell John how old you are. 71. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,680 Some It's all right. Listen, that's the most 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 unbelievable part of the story. That's the you're dude, you look 4 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Welcome to splendored spirits. I'm your host, Gary, along with 5 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,440 my nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal. 6 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,160 Today's guest is a pioneering engineer and inventor whose work 7 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,680 quite literally changed the way the paranormal field 8 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,520 investigates the unknown. After the heartbreaking loss of 9 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,040 his oldest daughter, Melissa, Gary Galka turned an 10 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,880 unimaginable grief into a mission to understand, document, 11 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,160 and maybe even bridge the gap between this world and whatever 12 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,800 comes next through technology and instrumental 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,680 transcommunication. Out of that journey came devices 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,640 that are now staples and ghost hunting around the world, the 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Mel meter that bears his daughter's name, the PSB series 16 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,920 of Spirit boxes, and the original Rempod tools you have 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,200 seen on countless investigations, Tik Toks, and in 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,120 Teams kits everywhere. As you'll hear, these aren't 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,320 just gadgets, they're the result of a father's love, a 20 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:33,000 disciplined engineer's mind, and a relentless drive to apply real 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,960 science to one of life's biggest questions. 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,440 In this episode, we talked with Gary about Melissa's ongoing 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,240 impact on his life, how his key inventions became ubiquitous in 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,560 the paranormal community, and what his decades of research 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,520 suggests about consciousness beyond physical death. 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Let's dive into the conversation. 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,600 Gary, welcome. Thank you for joining Splintered 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Spirits. Hey, Gary, nice to see you 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,160 again. And John, you as well. 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Gary, thank you. Yeah, so you have one of the 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,440 most fascinating backgrounds, Gary, and you are certainly one 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,840 of the I can't, you know, there's not a ghost hunter out 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,040 there who shouldn't be thanking you for, for, you know, I, I 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,400 think they deem themselves a ghost hunter because of the tech 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,720 they're using that you've created. 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,600 So I want to sort of get to where you how you got to where 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,760 you are now. And I'm wondering if you could 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,920 take us back a little bit to your early engineering days and 39 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:32,840 how DAS distribution first came to life in 1983? 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,480 OK, sure. Well, you know, just like anyone 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,000 else, let's let's go back to let's go back to that 1983 time 42 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 period. I had been working for some high 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,640 tech companies in Boston, working with things that 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,560 ultrasound, CAT scanners, you know, hospital related 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,440 equipment. Test and measurement was always 46 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,520 my Forte, something that I was very interested in, especially 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,160 combining sensors with the technology in order to 48 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,800 accomplish a particular task. So I worked for a leading 49 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,680 company that that made that type of equipment. 50 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,280 That's the field I've always been in. 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,920 And after, after I did that, I decided that the information 52 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,400 that I obtained through the workplace and through my career, 53 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,000 I just felt it would be better suited for me to apply myself to 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,640 best benefit myself and my family. 55 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:39,120 So it was right around that time period that I started my own 56 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,920 company. I left after four years with 57 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,000 this particular high tech company and I, and I went out 58 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,360 and started my, my new business. And it was just a fledgling 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,800 company. I mean, my wife and I had just 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,920 gotten married. We didn't have any children yet. 61 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,640 And, you know, I, I put everything in. 62 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,080 I gave myself six months to try to make a new business work. 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,640 So I started with nothing. I think I had a few $1000 in the 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,720 bank. That was it. 65 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,240 I had a mortgage, all the bills that go with it and so I I work 66 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,880 my butt off and and. What were you trying to do? 67 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,440 What was that? What was the initial thing? 68 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,200 What was that business model? Then well. 69 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,480 What I do is I took everything that I learned in the my 70 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,760 previous employment and I decided to combine the sensors 71 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,000 and technology, but I wanted to go out and show other companies 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,680 how I could improve their productivity, their efficiency, 73 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,440 their quality. So I was more of a consultant, 74 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,880 an engineering consultant for an abundance of companies. 75 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,200 I'd get on the phone, give them, give them a call, try to reach 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,760 the engineering department, try to reach the quality department, 77 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,920 basically cold calling these companies and allowing me to 78 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,600 walk through the facility and learn everything about their 79 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,960 products, how it's made. I did work for Gillette, I did 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,480 work for Titleist, I did work for BIC. 81 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,960 I did work for so many companies, even people like 82 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Pepperidge Farm. So I would go in there and say, 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,520 OK, well let's see, you've got razor blades here. 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,040 How are you determining whether or not the quality of those 85 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,640 razor blades are any good? So I'd go in and I would show 86 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,040 them how I can make sure that the parallelism of two razor 87 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,720 blades inside that housing could be matched to perfection using a 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,680 vision system. And these people never thought 89 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,360 of these ideas, but I would give them and promote ideas that 90 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,240 could make their product better. So that's kind of like the 91 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,320 premise in the umbrella of what my company was. 92 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,120 And I grew, I actually grew. And by the end of six months, I 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,560 broke even. I think my first paycheck was 94 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,000 $39.00 and I went out and I bought myself a nice vinyl golf 95 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,680 bag and I treated myself to something really special. 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,640 And to me that that was an achievement. 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,480 That was a goal that I that I felt like I broke even and I 98 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,960 should reward myself. So that's kind of like how I 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,400 started and. So and clearly then your 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,360 engineering degree and what you did sort of that that idea of 101 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:22,480 precision and measurement and reliability was something that 102 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,280 was important to you and your clients that you kept and 103 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,960 continue to move forward, right? That's pretty much it. 104 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,040 You know, it just kind of evolved in that direction 105 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,360 because it felt natural and it was something I was really good 106 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,520 at. So I could look at at a process 107 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,720 and I could find all the faults within that process and try to 108 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,480 figure out ways of making it better for them, whether it be 109 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,400 faster. Like I said, efficiency is 110 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,640 really important, improving the quality while doing it faster. 111 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,920 You know, I work companies like Lego, just on and on and on. 112 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,600 So the big companies that I worked with, it was really 113 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,720 important. And from there I evolved into 114 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,520 what is referred to as a manufacturer's Rep. 115 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,760 So I worked with high tech companies. 116 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,200 They would sell through me these these products which combined 117 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,200 all kinds of sensors into them. Some of them I applied in engine 118 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,720 test cells for Pratt and Whitney where I'd go in, I'd be 119 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,720 measuring all kinds of temperatures and pressures and 120 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,640 torques and all you name it. And we would set these up in 121 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,600 their, in their facilities and you know, to in order to provide 122 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,920 a better quality product. In this case it was a jet 123 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,960 engine. So these are things that that I 124 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,040 did, I really did acquire so much knowledge and experience 125 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,200 over the years. And like I said, I've been in 126 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,720 business since the early 80s and I'm still doing it. 127 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,800 But my life took a twist and set me on a different path. 128 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Well, I want to we're about to touch on that for a second. 129 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Really quickly though I just want to ask, is there a fan or 130 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,800 snow like a an air blower somewhere going off on one of 131 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,480 you? Guys, yeah, my laptop fan is 132 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,960 going right now. Oh wow, that thing is burning 133 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,560 up. Let me unplug, Let me unplug it 134 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,160 and see if that helps a lot. I'm sorry, is that interfering? 135 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,480 It's it's it's got it just got extremely loud. 136 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,720 Like, OK, literally like there's a fan blowing on it. 137 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,480 You know what's weird? I can't hear it. 138 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Oh yeah, I can hear it well, because you don't have 139 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,360 headphones on, you just have your your aunt. 140 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,280 But I, I'll fix it later, then I'll fix it in post. 141 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,919 I'll try to take it out. So look, but yeah, and and I 142 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,800 don't want to break up the story you're about to tell here, Gary, 143 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,120 because I know it's hard and you and obviously share as much as 144 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,920 you feel comfortable sharing. But when did, when did things 145 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,120 take a turn here in your life with your family in in the 146 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,560 direction that your business went and your personal life 147 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,400 went? Well, it's been a long time now, 148 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Gary, I'll tell you, you know, it's, it's been over 20 years, 149 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:07,880 but you know, when I reached a point with my career and my 150 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:16,720 business that I felt I could begin a family, you know, we, we 151 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,320 did, it wasn't easy. It didn't just happen, OK. 152 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,360 There was a lot of, a lot of effort put in into having a 153 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:33,120 child for us. And we, Melissa, our, we, our 154 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,000 first child was a daughter, her name, we named her Melissa. 155 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:46,520 And that was in 871987. And so since then, we had two 156 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,920 other daughters, but you know, having that young family and 157 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:58,040 growing up with them, we grew up like any other family in a 158 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,920 neighborhood environment, you know, and it was, it was 159 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,720 something in my whole life. I, it's something that I've 160 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,440 always wanted. I mean, to me, family was very 161 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,760 important, having a solid relationship with my spouse, 162 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,320 with my wife and, and just by the way, we've been married 163 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,840 almost 44 years. So it's amazing. 164 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,400 So it's, it's one of those things that, you know, we, we 165 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,640 planned and, and, and. You're talking to two, you're 166 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,080 talking to two girl dads as well. 167 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,760 So we get it. You know, my daughter's my 168 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,120 oldest, she's set. Mine's 17 now. 169 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,280 John's is still young, but we get, you know, I know that 170 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,600 feeling. It changes everything. 171 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,240 Yeah, it's very special. And so Melissa was born and and 172 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,240 I, after she was born, we, you know, we just had a normal 173 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400 family love. Everything was was great. 174 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:56,480 Everything was as it should be. But in the summer of the fall of 175 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,480 O4, we were on vacation and had a great, It was a great summer. 176 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:11,400 It was a great fall. Our daughter Melissa was 17 at 177 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,160 that time and we, she had just started school and it was in 178 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:22,560 September as a senior. And So what ended up happening 179 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:26,840 was one night she went, she was out with her friends. 180 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:34,240 And right around midnight, just about, I got this really uneasy 181 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:40,760 feeling and I got out of bed and I got dressed, got dressed, and 182 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:46,680 I went to the window which faces the street and the driveway. 183 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,720 And I'm waiting for her to come home. 184 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,200 And a car comes down the street, turns up the driveway. 185 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,640 And I felt relief and I went to get back in bed. 186 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,200 And then there was pounding on the door and I ran downstairs 187 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,600 and it was one of her very good friends that lives in the same 188 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,880 neighborhood as us. And she said Melissa was in an 189 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,680 accident just down the street from the house. 190 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:20,080 And I jumped in the car, woke up my wife got there and Melissa 191 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:28,120 had hit a tree head on and I went up to the car and held her 192 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,840 hand and she was still somewhat conscious. 193 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,480 And so I I held her hand and I assured her everything would be 194 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,560 OK. And she was following her 195 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,040 boyfriend, she was following a friend. 196 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,120 And she was on a very busy Rd. Not a busy Rd. but I should say 197 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 it's a it's a very narrow windy Rd. 198 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:52,920 Where? Where are you? 199 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,000 Where are you living at this time? 200 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,720 Well, this was in Connecticut, but you know, I now live in New 201 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Hampshire and there's trees. I mean, there's, there's trees 202 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,600 everywhere. And we don't really know the 203 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:13,600 circumstances, what, what had happened to her, but she was, I 204 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,200 got there and then the police arrived and then fire department 205 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,240 arrived and they took her by ambulance to hospital. 206 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,920 And the thing about it was as she was going to hospital, she 207 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,360 was able to give them her complete name, you know, date of 208 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,280 birth, all the details. So when I heard that, I, I was 209 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,560 very hopeful that she could pull through it. 210 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,920 But what she sustained a very serious brain injury from the 211 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:49,600 impact, you know, you're going fast and your brain, you know, 212 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,200 just accelerates and it gets knocked around. 213 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,960 So she ended up with a really bad brain injury. 214 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,960 And after being on life support for three, 3 1/2, four days, 215 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 because that happened on September 24th and then 28th, we 216 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,160 had a disconnector from life support. 217 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Oh. My God. 218 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:15,960 And so it was my wife and myself, our daughter Jennifer, 219 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,680 our daughter Heather, we're all with her. 220 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,360 And the doctor said there was really no hope, you know, and 221 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,560 that was, you know, that's pretty much how she passed. 222 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:36,520 So I don't, we're sleeping in the in the hospital for, you 223 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,640 know, for those four days we wouldn't leave her bedside. 224 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,560 And, you know, you keep thinking, you keep thinking and 225 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:52,960 praying and you've got all this hope for a miracle. 226 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Even when the doctors tell you there's no hope and she'll never 227 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,240 wake up again. You know, you're still saying 228 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,240 there's got to be a miracle waiting for you, You know, So 229 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:13,320 we, Cindy and I, my wife and I and our two daughters, we sat 230 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,040 down, comforted each other and we said we have to let her go 231 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,320 and, and we just held on to her when she passed away. 232 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:29,920 So that that was the turning point for us because you have to 233 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,320 understand that you know everything. 234 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,800 You know, you have a normal family. 235 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,680 You like to think that you're doing OK. 236 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:44,640 You know, we started up our family and we were always doing 237 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,840 things together like any other family would. 238 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,040 I mean, it's, you know, we're very close. 239 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,120 The girls would always confide in us with things. 240 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 We had a very open relationship with the kids to the point that 241 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,600 they they could confide in us and talk to us if they had 242 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,920 problems. And this was one of the problems 243 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,160 that I didn't know how to fix. You know, I mean, my first 244 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,280 thought when when the doctor said there was no hope is how do 245 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,400 you tell your children? That old are your other girls 246 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,400 again? How old were the other girls of 247 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,680 this? Time, well, at that time 1 was 248 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,080 10/10, almost 11 and the other one was 15. 249 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,280 So you're out of stage where, you know, the only thought, 250 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Gary, the only thought that I had was how do I hold the family 251 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,120 together and how's that going to affect their life moving 252 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,120 forward? You know, I mean, really. 253 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,880 Yeah, it's it is an unthinkable, horrible thing. 254 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,760 And it's I, I tell you because, and I say this only because I 255 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 can't leave a tender moment alone and I'm immature and I 256 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,360 can't handle and process this. But I'll just to try to make you 257 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,720 smile here for a minute. Gary, if I will, after sharing 258 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,280 that incredible story is I remember when my son was born 259 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,200 and he was healthy and everything came out great. 260 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,119 And I and I immediately decided that I was going to get a 261 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,720 vasectomy because. And the doctor asked me he's 262 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,839 like, well, what if something happens to your kids? 263 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:21,880 I go doc, if anything happens to these kids, I will never want to 264 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,400 go through that kind of loss again and put a thing up. 265 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,680 So let's go. That's it. 266 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,840 I am going all in and I So yeah, I it's a weird way to say a 267 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,520 thing about thinking the thought of what you live through is is 268 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,680 it is the terrifying thing for all parents, right. 269 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,800 And it's you have to do that is. Yeah. 270 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,200 How do you move on? How do you move on? 271 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,320 And but see, I was, I was also in, I don't want to bring your 272 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,960 audience down with the things I'm talking about because you 273 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,680 know, this is something that happens to a lot of people. 274 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:04,360 And I, I don't think I think the most important part is surviving 275 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,920 A tragedy like that. And how you decide to live your 276 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,680 life from that point on is really the most important thing, 277 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,080 not only for yourself, OK, but to set an example for your 278 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,440 children and those around you. You know, it's really important 279 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,960 to be able to carry on your life in a way that in this case, I 280 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,160 wanted Melissa to see that her dad was strong enough, okay, to 281 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:36,560 survive, to survive this tragedy, and to still be the 282 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,440 support mechanism for my kids as they grew up. 283 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,640 That was really the most important part. 284 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:45,200 I mean, you go through a phase afterwards. 285 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,760 I think I wasn't really quite the same for like 5 years. 286 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,160 So there's five years that disappeared from my life. 287 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,040 You're probably never going to be the same. 288 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,040 No one's ever going to be the same after that. 289 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:58,240 The same. You're you're the, you aren't 290 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,280 you're that's this is who you are now. 291 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,560 But that's it. A you know. 292 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,120 Gary, what was it? What was it? 293 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,960 One of those things where you're so busy worrying about your wife 294 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,000 and your daughters throughout this entire tragedy that you 295 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,080 kind of forgot to take care of yourself mentally. 296 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Was it like one of those like were you in that five years in 297 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,200 that five year period, were you just concentrating on keeping 298 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,480 the family together and pushing through and. 299 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,480 Well, yeah, I mean that that's really an essential part of of 300 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,320 who I am. I mean, the important part was 301 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,680 mental health for my kids. That came first. 302 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,920 You know, you have to seek counseling for them to make sure 303 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,040 they're OK. You, you have to go to group 304 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,440 sessions. You have to make sure that, that 305 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,920 you are still thinking clearly despite the fact that your mind 306 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,640 is in a haze for a while. There is just so much there. 307 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,200 And, you know, I would go to the doctor for, for a physical. 308 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:02,600 And what really bothered me about that was my doctor was 309 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,360 quick. To offer me stuff, OK, To offer 310 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,680 me drugs, OK, to help me get through it. 311 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,760 And I don't I don't take anything. 312 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,400 I don't even take aspirin, OK, so here, you know, you know my 313 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,000 age. I told you how old I was. 314 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,840 I mean, I don't take anything. I don't even take the vitamin, 315 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,240 OK, I so I take nothing. I wake up in the morning and I 316 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,320 have nothing, OK, but the, that's just who I am. 317 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,600 I, I, I firmly believe that, you know, when, when you go to the 318 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 doctor and you say, OK, I want to do my blood work because, you 319 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,280 know, I want to make sure that, that everything is cool, you 320 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,160 know, and, and so let's get this done. 321 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,760 Whether it would be a colonoscopy or whether it be 322 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,440 blood work or anything else you got to do, you know, you just go 323 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,280 through with your life because you still appreciate the life 324 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,160 you've been given. All right, You've got to take 325 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 care of yourself. So let's talk about now this 326 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,920 next phase, right? Because the story doesn't end 327 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,680 here. You know, you, you get through 328 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,600 it and you go. When did you first get a sort of 329 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,240 communication with Mel? Yeah, well, that's OK. 330 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,400 So that, that, that's the next thing. 331 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,880 That's the that's the part, Gary, that changed our lives. 332 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,360 I'm not going to say just my life. 333 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,840 I mean, it changed the life of of everyone in the family. 334 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:33,400 So I have we're coming back from the hospital and I was holding 335 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:39,440 my daughter Heather's hand and Jennifer was with my wife and I 336 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,160 opened the garage door. The Jennifer's your wife or your 337 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,360 daughter's Jennifer? Daughter Jennifer. 338 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,560 Daughter for Jennifer's. Cindy's, Cindy's, my wife got 339 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,320 it. So Cindy and Jennifer were 340 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,400 together and Heather and I walked into the garage first. 341 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,680 As soon as we got into the garage, Heather's Heather 342 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:03,920 stopped walking and she says to me, Daddy, I smell Melissa and I 343 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,440 said I do too. I said, she's here. 344 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,680 She's actually here. I can smell, you know, I'm 345 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,200 saying encouraging thanks. I I smelled her, her. 346 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,040 It was a a sweet vanilla smell. Now, keep in mind I'm walking to 347 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,160 the garage. The garage is filled with trash 348 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,680 bags, the, you know, cars, gas tanks, everything else. 349 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,440 And here this overwhelming smell of sweet vanilla is permeating 350 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,680 all around us, and you're just inhaling it. 351 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440 And we both smelled it very strongly. 352 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,920 So I said, you know, to my daughter, I make her feel good. 353 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480 I said, Melissa's here. I'm pretty sure I, I do smell 354 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,200 it. And I, I'm pretty sure Melissa's 355 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,640 going to stick around us for a while. 356 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,560 And so I wanted to acknowledge what I also smelled to her. 357 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Well, as soon as we got into the house and we were settling down, 358 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:02,160 the doorbell started ringing. So we're in the house and we 359 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,640 hear Ding Ding and we're looking at each other in the kitchen. 360 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,080 And was that the doorbell? We've been in this house 15 361 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,840 years. That's the doorbell going off. 362 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Ding, Ding, doorbells going off again. 363 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,440 So I'm like, what's going on here? 364 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760 You know, why is this happening? Then all of a sudden I hear 365 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:32,000 talking, talking, TV comes on. So now we're in the house. 366 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,600 We just got back from the hospital. 367 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,520 We're we have a bunch of electronic phenomena happening 368 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:43,880 all around us in the house. And now we're all talking about 369 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,400 it in the kitchen. You know that this is Melissa 370 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,680 and she's letting us know she's still with us. 371 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560 She's OK. But wait, so you're, you're, I 372 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,000 mean, look, you're an engineer, but, but your first instinct 373 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,160 when all this went off was not something like what's going on. 374 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,120 It was really you're, you're sort of separated yourself right 375 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,720 away. That's how prevalent it was. 376 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,480 No, it was when you, you know when you smell at first, when 377 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,440 you smell something as strong as you smell it and there's two of 378 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,480 you doing it. You understand, Like I said, the 379 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,400 garage, it it's not a nice clean smelling place, OK? 380 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,120 And it just hit you like a wall and and then all of a sudden the 381 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,080 doorbell is going off. Now the doorbell, something 382 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,480 triggered in my mind. I just became like very 383 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,840 sensitized just to things that are happening and that 384 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,160 connection. It was almost as though all 385 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,920 right, why would the TV come on? Why would the doorbell be 386 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,240 ringing? Hey, Gary, I'm sorry to cut you 387 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,240 off. Was it a wired doorbell or was 388 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,080 it a wireless doorbell? No, it was a wired doorbell. 389 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,160 It was so it's an old school wired doorbell with the two 390 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,720 Watt. OK. 391 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Yeah, exactly so. So I'm I'm three things happen 392 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,600 now within 20 minutes. What are the odds of that, 393 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Carrie? OK. 394 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,400 And, and then, you know, so we took it one step at a time, but 395 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560 things started to unfold as time went on. 396 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080 I mean, incredible things started happening. 397 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,040 So and those things happened immediately. 398 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,080 You just got home and then OK, this happens. 399 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,200 It's it's and it's nice, it's comforting, which is it's, it's 400 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,920 amazing. And that's when you need it the 401 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840 most. And then OK, so then continue 402 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,520 like what was like the next moment or how often did things 403 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560 start to happen? Well, that. 404 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,120 Let's just say that, you know, because I, I, if I start putting 405 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,320 things in sequential order by day or week, it would, it would 406 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280 just be, it just started unfolding and it was like a 407 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,120 waterfall of after death communications. 408 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:59,280 ADC's are, are not unusual. I think a lot has to do with the 409 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,760 person receiving the ADC or after death communication and 410 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,880 whether or not you're receptive to that. 411 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:10,000 Have you ever received an ADC before your daughter's passing? 412 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,720 Yes, I have, yeah. Going back to when I was a 413 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,600 child, like 6 years old, I would, you know, if you want to 414 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,360 reflect back, Gary and, and say, OK, there's, there are things 415 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,240 that happened in my life that that kind of transformed me a 416 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,160 little bit. You know, I mean, I, I didn't 417 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,120 really pay a lot of attention to it because I always thought 418 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:41,560 there was an explanation for it. So as a child, I can, I can tell 419 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:48,280 you that I've had spirits speak to me and tell me what to do in 420 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,880 order to save my life. I mean, I've had some situations 421 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560 that were pretty dire. I'll give you an example. 422 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,040 All right, so when I was about 6 years old, I would hang out with 423 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,160 the neighborhood kids and and the we would climb trees to see 424 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,640 how who could get to the closest to the top of a tree. 425 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,360 Some of them were 50 feet tall. Classic, classic kid move. 426 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,240 Classic kid move. OK, so these kids dared me to 427 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,760 climb this group of this pine tree, and I got up within 15 428 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,800 feet of the top and I went up a little bit too high and a branch 429 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200 snapped. Now I'm up about, I don't know, 430 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,160 40 feet, four stories. And I started falling feet first 431 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:39,040 just falling freefall as I'm falling straight down. 432 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,680 Everything was a blur and a man said to me, put your arms out 433 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,280 now. So I put my arms out and boop 434 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,280 stopped and I had a branch under my right arm and a branch under 435 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,200 my left armpit. Didn't hurt it just stopped me 436 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,480 cold right near. And I was able to climb back 437 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,800 onto one of the trees and climb back down. 438 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,520 And the kids looked at me like I was a ghost, like, like you 439 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:16,000 almost died. You know, another time back in 440 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,320 the 70s, I used to fly hang gliders and I, I used to jump 441 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,680 off 500 foot cliffs with hang gliders. 442 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,120 Now you're, you're in California. 443 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,320 So, you know, it's pretty prevalent sport in, in 444 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,120 California. So I went off this Cliff in 445 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:38,000 Avon, CT, and I was flying and the wind was coming from the 446 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,440 West, hitting the side of the sheer Cliff and giving me plenty 447 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,400 of lift. And you know, you go straight up 448 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:49,920 like an elevator. So I hit AI, hit a spot of air, 449 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,360 and it caused me to lose my airspeed and I went into a 450 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,320 spiral. So I had no airspeed. 451 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640 I wasn't moving forward. It was like a cartwheel just 452 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,400 spinning. So I was up at that point. 453 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,800 I was up about 650 feet and I was fall now falling in a free 454 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,280 fall. And during that time period I 455 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,720 didn't get nervous. A calm came, came over me. 456 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,080 And while I'm holding on to the trapeze bar, I tried grabbing 457 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,280 one of the wires that went to the, the, the wing that was 458 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,840 straight up in the air to pull it down to try to level out the, 459 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480 the kite. And I couldn't do it. 460 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,880 And I'm looking down and I see all the chunks of rock that 461 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880 broke off the Cliff and I know I'm going to hit him and I'll 462 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,200 probably die because I, it's like a parachute without the 463 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,840 opening, you know, So I was spinning and spiraling and I 464 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720 tried at least twice, you know, to bring the kite down. 465 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,520 And at that point I just sat back and held on to the bar. 466 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,560 And a man's voice came and told me try again. 467 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:08,440 He just said try again. So I went up and I grabbed the 468 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,760 wire and Gary, I didn't even have to put pressure on and the 469 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,880 wing came down. The kite leveled. 470 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,400 And then wind came and I lifted up and I flew about 1/4 of a 471 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,160 mile and landed in a ball field. And everybody I was flying with, 472 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,560 six, maybe seven other guys and everybody in the ground came up 473 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,000 to me and said, Gary, we've never seen anybody pull up a 474 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,200 stall like that before. And. 475 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,920 How old were you when this happened, Gary? 476 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,280 Let's see, I started when I was 19. 477 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,080 That was around 2020. One, just to remind the 478 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640 audience, Gary is 93 years old. He doesn't look. 479 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080 No, he's he's in his 70's. The guy has lived a life. 480 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,560 Wait, wait, how old is he? Gary, tell John how old you are. 481 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,800 71. Some it's. 482 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400 I listen. That's the most unbelievable 483 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,680 part of the story. That's this. 484 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,680 You're dude, you look amazing. It's amazing. 485 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Thank you. Listen, so Gary, all right, 486 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640 these happen when you were young, these incidents, and I'm 487 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,080 going to come back to this in a second. 488 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,240 And then you start, you know, you start focusing on career 489 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,000 engine and and oddly enough, a science based career work. 490 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,480 This happened, this tragedy happens to you. 491 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,640 It's like a is it a reawakening or with that or something now 492 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,960 you'd felt you had to start paying attention with. 493 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,120 And I guess my question, my second part of that question is 494 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,360 when did you say to yourself, I need to study this 495 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,720 systematically to get to what you're creating now? 496 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,880 All right, so. There were a number there, an 497 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,360 abundance of of these after death communications that 498 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,400 started to occur within the house between my wife and myself 499 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,720 and the 2 girls. I mean, Jennifer actually had a 500 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:09,440 visit from Mel one night. She was in her room and she told 501 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640 us the next morning she was in her room and she heard Melissa 502 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,040 calling out her name it in fact she mentioned it actually scared 503 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,920 her a little bit. Melissa explained where she was, 504 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840 how much she liked where she was, how much she was going to 505 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,040 miss us and but she said she would always be around. 506 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,400 She mentioned how much she missed her boyfriend, how much 507 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,800 she loved us. She said where she was was like 508 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,680 here, like where we are today. But she said hundreds of time, 509 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,920 hundreds of times better, OK. She said it was so much better. 510 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,120 And so that that got me thinking a lot. 511 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,640 And from that point, even our youngest daughter started seeing 512 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,600 apparitions, manifestations of Melissa in the house. 513 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,560 And we had situations where Heather would come home from 514 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,000 school, she'd come through the mud room, Cindy and I'd be in 515 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600 the kitchen and we'd tell Heather, OK, you got to go up 516 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,800 and do your homework. You can't go out and play, get 517 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,160 your homework done, pick up your room, make sure your fish is 518 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,320 fed, whatever you got to do in about 45 minutes later, an hour 519 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,560 later, she'd come bebop and down the stairs and she goes, OK, I, 520 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000 you know, I did all my homework. You know, I fed the fish, I 521 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,520 cleaned my room. I'm going to go out and play 522 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,400 with Rachel now. And she was. 523 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360 Oh, yeah, I saw Melissa brushing her hair in the bathroom again. 524 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,560 And Cindy and I just look each other like what? 525 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,200 You know, So Heather had this thing where she would actually 526 00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:01,320 see her, her sister in a room and she didn't think it was any 527 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,240 didn't think it was a big deal, you know, So she in fact, one 528 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,040 one story she told us, she said Melissa came into her room, sat 529 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:18,320 on the edge of the bed, rubbed her back, held her hand and told 530 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,000 her that she would always be around and everything will be 531 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,360 fine. And she said how much she loved 532 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,600 her. And Heather was so excited. 533 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,320 She said, Melissa, you can't leave. 534 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,199 She goes, she goes, I have to, you have to come with me to see 535 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,760 mommy and daddy. They're not going to believe 536 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,239 that you were here. And Melissa made it very clear. 537 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,159 She goes, Heather, I'm here for you tonight. 538 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,760 I'm not here for mommy and daddy right now. 539 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,520 I'm here for you. So Melissa took such great care 540 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,960 to extend whatever ability she had to make sure that both of 541 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,760 her sisters were OK and accepted her passing. 542 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,920 We had another episode. My daughter Jennifer's 543 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,680 boyfriend, he was a military police officer in Guantanamo. 544 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:20,160 And also he he was here in in Connecticut and at the sub base. 545 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,120 And he came to stay with us in Connecticut for a weekend. 546 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,520 So we're all watching TV. You saw him run upstairs, take a 547 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,800 shower. He goes upstairs or watch we're 548 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,840 watching something on the on the TV and he comes back down. 549 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,240 He sits down and I look at him. He had a blank look on his face 550 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,120 and he didn't say a word, didn't say a word to us. 551 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,800 But later on, after he after he absorbed what actually happened, 552 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080 he end up telling us that he went up take a shower and when 553 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,960 he went past Melissa's bedroom, she was standing in the bedroom 554 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,800 looking at him and he stopped and looked right at her. 555 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,880 He told us what she was wearing for clothing and he said, I 556 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,480 thought she was, I didn't know who it was. 557 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,880 She she just looked at me and he goes, I, I was actually, he was 558 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,160 in a state of shock is what it was. 559 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,920 So he couldn't speak about it when he came downstairs. 560 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,960 So that was that was actually featured in one of the episodes, 561 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,240 the episode that we did for our family, but with Mike there. 562 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:44,200 And Mike has since passed away. So there's a lot of stuff there 563 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,080 that that showed me credible evidence. 564 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,480 And I think it would be a bit disrespectful and ignorant of me 565 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,480 to ignore all these incredible things that that Mel has tried 566 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,200 to do for us. And I, if I ever ignored them or 567 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,440 brushed them off, you know, it, it would just seem so 568 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,520 inappropriate because she was making every effort there was 569 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,640 and the things were solid. I mean, these are incredible 570 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,160 things and I just wanted to embrace. 571 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920 So then how do you, what's the first move? 572 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,720 What's the first prototype? What do you think? 573 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,360 You don't know how you don't know what you're trying to 574 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,240 capture. So what is it that you felt you 575 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,560 had to create in order to capture whatever it is that you 576 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,600 thought it might be trying to capture? 577 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000 You know what I mean? Yeah, so I think the next step 578 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,680 was I became fascinated with the paranormal and I started 579 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,800 watching TV shows. I think the first one I watched 580 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,080 was Ghost Hunting Ghost Hunters. Sure, of course. 581 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080 You know, like everybody else. And I was watching them and I'm 582 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,040 like these guys, these guys are missing a point here that they, 583 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,000 they don't even have good equipment. 584 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,280 So I said, you know, they're using, I think the, the most 585 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,960 technical piece of equipment they're using was AK 2M. 586 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,280 And I'm like, you know, I can, I can do something better, you 587 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,000 know, I can do something better that could help them get more 588 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,480 information or more evidence. So your consulting brain comes 589 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,160 on first. You're looking at what they're 590 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,000 using, right? And you're like. 591 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160 How can I fix this? How do I how do I fix it? 592 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,440 How do I improve it? How do I make them more 593 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,480 efficient? How do I improve the quality of 594 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,680 the results that they're getting? 595 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,080 But tell me. But tell me, what is AK-2 meter 596 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,280 exactly? Tell me and probably most of our 597 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,600 audience knows, but I'm the noob here. 598 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,840 I I. Yeah, AK 2 2 meter is, is just a 599 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:46,400 very simple EMF meter that detects a any, any time you have 600 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,160 current flowing through it through a wire, it's going to 601 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,480 generate, you know, a signal or a field. 602 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,120 So it's an electromagnetic field detector. 603 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,080 Yeah. So I mean it, it wasn't designed 604 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,000 for that purpose. It was designed for just basic, 605 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,040 you know, just checking circuits to make sure things are on or 606 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,800 off, you know, just basic stuff. And, and K2 Meter. 607 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,640 I was very good friends with the president and founder of K2. 608 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,800 And over the years I developed a rapport with him that was very 609 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000 nice. He's since retired and moved on, 610 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,840 did a smart thing. I think when you get to be our 611 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,440 age, you want to kind of clear your minds a little bit and just 612 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,160 move on, have fun. But so I, I decided to create a 613 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,440 device called A and I named it the Mel meter. 614 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,880 And, and I, I had the model number was 87 O four. 615 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,360 So the year she was born in the year that she transitioned 616 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,960 spirit, that's where the the model number comes from. 617 00:39:53,600 --> 00:40:00,200 And so I combined temperature and I combined EMF together. 618 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,160 That was the foundation for a series of products that I I 619 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:12,000 started creating around that initial design or prototype, so. 620 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,760 But but before, before we jump ahead, because this is where 621 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,120 sort of the whole point of what we, John and I are doing here, 622 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,400 which is this idea of we're trying to find out what are 623 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200 spirits, right? Like, what are they now? 624 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,120 You create a divide. You're watching this show. 625 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,360 They're using an EMF detector as one piece of equipment. 626 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,720 Maybe spirits are energy. What made you think that that 627 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,240 was the right direction? Plus temperature? 628 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,440 Like what do I mean, Garrett? What do you think spirits are? 629 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,600 I OK, let's let's talk about. In order to in order to detect 630 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,120 them. What do you think they are? 631 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920 Yeah, well, let's let's go back to what? 632 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,320 What I, I knew nothing about it. I still, you know, I'm still 633 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,400 naive. I, I really don't understand it. 634 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,920 Keep in mind, this is all new to me. 635 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:02,400 So, but I would watch that K2 meter blink OK on TV and I'm 636 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,080 like, there's got to be something more to it. 637 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,800 All right? We experienced, you know, the 638 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,440 electronic phenomena, the doorbell, the, the television, 639 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640 you know, Cindy and I would be in bed in the middle of the 640 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:22,240 night and the TV would come on 50 feet down the hallway in the 641 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,400 bonus room. And it would do that. 642 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,600 And we, we couldn't understand why. 643 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440 So. So there was a lot of stuff 644 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,720 happening. And then there was one instance 645 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,800 where Cindy and I were going to bed and when we were pulling the 646 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,560 covers down on the bed, she was on one side and I was on the 647 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,560 other side. Music, music filled our bedroom. 648 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:54,760 Now catch this music filled the bedroom all around us and we're 649 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,280 looking each other and we both hear it and we're like, where's 650 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,600 this music coming from? We don't have speakers in the 651 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,640 ceilings. We don't. 652 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,640 It's just a bedroom with a television. 653 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,720 And it was like music I've never heard before. 654 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:09,280 It was like a portal opened up in that bedroom and all of a 655 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,440 sudden musical tones and, and a man's voice was emerging from 656 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,920 some, I don't know, some unknown source within the space that 657 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,800 we're walking through. Gary, what would you, what would 658 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,720 you describe the the music as? Bear with me here. 659 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,600 Is it almost like when you hear an electric car go by and like 660 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,800 it's got those weird harmonics, but. 661 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,480 Like from a distance, those musical tones with you, almost 662 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,560 like musical instrumentation. And then a man's voice was 663 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,040 talking through it. And here's the thing on on that, 664 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,880 John, when, when that happened, it was enveloped within a space 665 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,800 within the room. It started above our bed and 666 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,280 then it started floating the the music. 667 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,920 It went from our bedroom to the door. 668 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,440 And my wife and I are are actually able to track the 669 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,680 position of it and then we're walking next to it and then it 670 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,960 went into the hallway. And you're following this at 671 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,280 the. Following the music in the man's 672 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,000 voice and we're following it all the way down the hallway, 50 673 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,760 feet into the bonus room and then it dissipates and goes away 674 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,160 are. Is it the same man who told you 675 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,720 to open your arms? I don't know. 676 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,840 Fell out of that tree. I have no idea. 677 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,880 Yeah, that's I, you know, I can tell you this much, Gary. 678 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,440 You know, I'm just skimming the surface on the stuff that's 679 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,160 happening. I mean, I started having out of 680 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,760 body experiences. I started having astral travel. 681 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:58,640 Melissa would literally come and take me from my dream and and 682 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080 the next thing I would know, I'd be in in a the most beautiful 683 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,640 place in the world and in some dimension that I can't even tell 684 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,960 you where I was, except it felt like heaven, you know, and it 685 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400 looked like heaven. So I mean, I, I don't want to 686 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,920 get scattered in in, in my thoughts with you right now, 687 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,240 but. No, no, no, we already, we 688 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,760 already got way off base of like what? 689 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,600 What do you think spirits are that you can detect them. 690 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,680 So let's try to get back on. Let's try to get back on that. 691 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,720 Track real easy that yeah get off I. 692 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,760 Know it is it's why I mean, you're a great storyteller too. 693 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,960 These these these experiences you've had are are so 694 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,640 fascinating to hear. So yeah, what what was it? 695 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,360 What did you think you were? What do you think spirits are 696 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,520 that you tried to you were trying to detect at first? 697 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,480 Well, OK, so, so all I know, you know, is that that, you know, 698 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,880 people are saying that spirits were EMF and that they're 699 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,280 causing or spirits were generating EMF, they're causing 700 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,320 the K2 to function. But but what I believe it is 701 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,080 now, and and I didn't know what it was, but I believe it is, is, 702 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,880 you know, spirits are energy. There's no doubt about it. 703 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,760 But you know it, it is a a fully condensed kernel of 704 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,800 consciousness, which you know, when we pass, you've got your 705 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:19,560 soul and it's a it, a spirit is really comprised of soul and 706 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,120 consciousness. And I've had spirits tell me 707 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,880 that through my ITC devices, because I asked him, I said, you 708 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,200 know what, what are you comprised of? 709 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,480 Is, is, is it, are you part soul and consciousness or, you know, 710 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,720 do some of your heart and feelings combined with that? 711 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,120 And they, and they basically broke it down for me and said, 712 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,560 you know, you're, you're on the right track, Gary. 713 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,080 You know soul and consciousness are part of the same thing You 714 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,560 basically have. You know that going for you now, 715 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,840 are you? Defining soul from a religious 716 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,960 perspective? Did you grow up religious, Gary? 717 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,200 Or are you saying soul is a euphemism for energy here? 718 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,600 No. All right, let's let's backtrack 719 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,200 a little bit. OK. 720 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,000 So, you know, I I grew up Catholic, OK? 721 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,560 And I yeah, I used to go to church. 722 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,240 My mom would take us to church. I went to CCDI, went to 723 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:16,600 catechism. You know, I I did all that 724 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,800 stuff. You know, I got my confirmation. 725 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:26,640 All those things I went through. OK, when the kids are growing 726 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,480 up, our kids are growing up. I, I gave them a choice they 727 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,080 could do, they could follow whatever beliefs were important 728 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,320 to them. Now, we instilled specific 729 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,000 beliefs into our kids so that they would have a path to 730 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,440 follow, but we didn't force the kids to do anything that they 731 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:52,280 didn't want to do. In that case, I think 2 two of 732 00:46:52,280 --> 00:47:02,800 the kids went to CCD and I can't remember if Melissa did or not. 733 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,280 If she if she was confirmed, I don't think she was. 734 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,560 For those that don't know, CCD is like Catholic school for kids 735 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,120 that go to public school and stuff if they don't go, so it 736 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000 teaches them how to do it. John and I both went to a 737 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,720 Catholic elementary school, so we didn't. 738 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,520 So you're not all the. CCD, all the CCD kids would come 739 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,280 in on Thursdays and we would have half days. 740 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,240 You know, that was how it broke down. 741 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,360 So I, you know, I mean, I would go to CCD and, you know, I'd 742 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160 have a nun there. And if I did something wrong, 743 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,200 you know, they would slap you with a ruler on on the back of 744 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,720 the hand. I mean, that's how it was. 745 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,520 And, and I didn't care for that. You know, let's get at least, 746 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080 you know, I don't care for that and I still don't care for that. 747 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,400 And I don't go to church, but it doesn't mean that I don't have 748 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,800 religion in my heart and it certainly doesn't mean that I 749 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,720 does. I, I don't believe in a higher 750 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,560 power or an infinite light. I do believe in that. 751 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,120 So getting back on track with the male meter and why I came up 752 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,680 with that, that whole idea. And as far as what I believe the 753 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,560 spirit is spirit is energy. But but when I was in the 754 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,760 hereafter, when I was able to visit with Melissa's help and 755 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,600 she showed me around, everything there seemed so perfect, as she 756 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:29,720 had explained to Jennifer. I mean, one time I I I got there 757 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,200 and she grabbed me by the hand. She says, Daddy, I want to show 758 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,360 you around. We literally Gary, we literally 759 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,960 flew together hand in hand and she showed me the landscape 760 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,280 animals, the green, the waterfalls, I mean, and then 761 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,880 that I don't know how long it lasted, but when it was ending, 762 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,600 it always ends the same way for me. 763 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,880 I feel a pull. I feel that something is 764 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,360 happening and I'm going to be taken back to my dream state. 765 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,000 And I always tell her I don't want to go. 766 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,280 You know that I, the euphoric feeling that you have is 767 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,120 something you don't want to let go of. 768 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:12,920 And and then, you know, I, when I said to her last thing, I 769 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,840 while we're flying over these animals, it was just gorgeous. 770 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,640 They're looking up at us and everything. 771 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,440 And I'm like, I don't want to leave now. 772 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,000 I want to stay with you. She just squeezed my hand and 773 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,800 released it and I saw a light and it went from a big white 774 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,320 light to a pinpoint. And then I woke up in bed. 775 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:38,400 And that seems to be how my astral travel occur, how those 776 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,880 things, how I interact with that. 777 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,720 It's really a blessing. I I don't have any of the way of 778 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,120 explaining how it works, but. So all right, so then you you've 779 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,040 got this prototype for the Mel meter right now. 780 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,320 When how did it? How did its first sort of 781 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,880 moments go for you? Did you feel you were on like 782 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,480 this isn't right, This is working. 783 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,840 You're, you're on to something like what was the, what was the 784 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,360 progression of that? OK so so I created the first. 785 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,520 Article like data, like real hard data of what you're 786 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,840 experiencing. How did that you know? 787 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,440 Well, you know, there's a lot. There's a lot. 788 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,080 I love both sides of your brain here. 789 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,600 Like it's just so. Fascinating to there's a lot, 790 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,760 there's a lot that goes, goes into that and, and, you know, 791 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,360 obviously there's the design aspect, but more importantly, 792 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,000 you're, you're doing something. And I mean, an EMF meter is 793 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,400 nothing out of the ordinary. It's not that hard to create 794 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,480 something that, that can detect a field change. 795 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,360 But when, when you design a product and you have it and you 796 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,880 use it as, As for testing, how do you actually test it? 797 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,840 You know, in a, from a spiritual connectivity point of view? 798 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,960 I mean, you really can't. So the only thing I can say is 799 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:03,080 you during my test process and validation process, you know, 800 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,560 there's a lot. I did repeatability studies. 801 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,920 You can only do so much from from a spiritual kind of thing. 802 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:15,400 But my instinct there was getting the meter into the hands 803 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,760 of the professional investigators that could best 804 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,360 utilize something more effectively in in some of these 805 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,480 locations than I ever could. So I had to make sure that the 806 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,520 meter ended up in the hands of people who could benefit through 807 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,480 the use of that device. I started giving them away. 808 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,640 I started giving away to, I mean, I went to events, I was 809 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,520 invited when I created, went to events. 810 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,240 I made sure that Ghost Hunters had the device, that some of the 811 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:57,400 people were using the device. And then I would observe their 812 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,320 interactions with it on television or in talking with 813 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,800 them, you know, or they would call me up all excited, you 814 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,520 know, saying that, you know, the things spiked out or this 815 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,360 happened or that happened. I can remember with Zach using 816 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,960 it on one of of his episodes in Europe somewhere and watching an 817 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:25,360 anomaly of of a white orb come and enter literally high speed, 818 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,640 enter into the coil section of the Mel meter and all of a 819 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,320 sudden watch the display blow out. 820 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:38,520 Literally just go out and they acknowledge that and they ended 821 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,320 up sending it back to me. There's actual damage to the 822 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:47,440 meter and I was trying to understand, comprehend what I 823 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,120 had actually seen, and it was mind boggling that something 824 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,400 like that could happen. So the learning curve for me to 825 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,520 pick up on all of these incredible interactions was 826 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,840 something that I obtained over a long period of time. 827 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,320 So you felt that capturing an electromagnetic field change and 828 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,240 a temperature change was definite, like for, you know, a 829 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,760 definite sign of some sort of activity, spiritual activity. 830 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,600 At this point, with this device that you've created, you now 831 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,720 have confirmation after field tests with other people. 832 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,560 This is where you're at. Yeah, I would say, yeah, I would 833 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,360 say that that was important. But more importantly, there I 834 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,600 had in watching some of these shows, I'd recognize that a lot 835 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,360 of people say, do you feel this cold spot over here? 836 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,680 There's a cold spot. It's no, it's over here, you 837 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,160 know, that kind of stuff. I'm like, what are they talking 838 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,800 about? You know, and then they, they 839 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,520 came up with the, the premise that, well, you know, when, when 840 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,880 there's manifestation, they're absorbing surrounding energy 841 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,520 and, and they're creating a void and it's a cold spot. 842 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,280 And I'm like, none of that makes sense to me, you know, And I 843 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040 mean that it sounded kind of silly, you know? 844 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,160 And so I'm like art. So if I put a, a min Max or if 845 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,600 I'm capable of detecting a rapid change. 846 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:10,440 So I had a setting on the millimeter that could read 10 847 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,160 times faster than any of the meter. 848 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,000 So now I can do 1010 samples per second. 849 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,400 So now I can capture the peak min or the peak Max. 850 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,680 So if there was a transient cold temperature that occurred within 851 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,320 a spot and you're holding the meter and that enters into one 852 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,280 of these cold spots, if you have it adjusted properly, you're 853 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,320 going to capture that and be able to show the other members 854 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,320 of your group. Here's what I just experienced 855 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,960 physically. And here's the empirical data 856 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,400 that shows that I captured that and you show it to the camera on 857 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,640 TV. OK, so I was looking for ways of 858 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,720 of not only them talking about what they're experiencing, but I 859 00:54:55,720 --> 00:55:00,520 wanted them to prove it to their audience by showing them what 860 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,720 they had physically felt. So how do you do that? 861 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,400 But see, that's my thought, you know, So that's. 862 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,640 Right. Yeah. 863 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,520 So I started adding sound to it. OK, if so. 864 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,560 So now I have hot, I created my ATDD, which is ambient 865 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,680 temperature deviation detection circuit. 866 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,160 So I created a new circuit. I said, OK, people on TV can't 867 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,520 feel what you're feeling. So if I create this and I create 868 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:33,040 a one octave tone step for each degree, and you have a cold spot 869 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,920 and the temperature goes DDDDD and now other people can realize 870 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,680 what you're experiencing and you can't fool it. 871 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,480 So I want other people who are watching the show to hear those 872 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,120 tones going off and you're saying that there's a cold spot. 873 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,440 So that's my thought process. You know, I wanted people to 874 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,400 prove what they're actually saying that they're doing, and I 875 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,000 wanted to find ways of doing it that could not be tricked, OK, 876 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,360 or fooled. That was important to me. 877 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,760 Sure. So oh, sorry. 878 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,680 No, no, that's that's pretty much what I wanted to talk about 879 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,960 with. No, no, it's great. 880 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,440 You know, I love, I love hearing that. 881 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,040 I mean, it is. I love hearing the progression 882 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,240 of it. So Gary, I, I have a question 883 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,240 for you. Sure. 884 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:27,160 Do you feel, do you feel that when these devices go off that 885 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:33,400 they're picking up on an actual entity or a by product of an 886 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,720 entity, whether you know it's coming into this reality or you 887 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,080 know manifesting in some way that maybe we can't see or hear 888 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,760 but the device picks up or both? Do you think it's a possibility 889 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,920 of both? Yeah. 890 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,480 OK. Well, first, from, from my 891 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:57,400 experience and what I know to be true for me, OK, is that there 892 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:06,240 are a lot of spirits that are earthbound spirits, OK, and a 893 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,760 lot of negative spirits too. And when people are doing 894 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,240 investigation, there are indeed spirits, different forms of 895 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,960 spirits. I'm sure you being Investigator 896 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:26,520 John, you've experienced shadow entities, you've experienced, 897 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,680 you know, voice phenomena, you've experienced all those 898 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,600 things. Well, those are those are 899 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:38,600 spiritual, spiritual energies that that are comprised of of 900 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,480 almost like different compositions to me. 901 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,760 You know, the the spirit that is talking through a spirit box may 902 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,720 not necessarily be in the location. 903 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:55,480 It could be separated by a thin veil of another realm, but 904 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,240 they're spirits that have not crossed over mostly. 905 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,880 At least that's what I've learned. 906 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,360 It doesn't mean that you're not going to talk to a spirit that 907 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,520 has crossed over because I've got many audio files in which 908 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,680 I've had communication for up to 20 minutes talking to my family 909 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,000 members with some of my research platforms that I've created, 910 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000 which I don't, I don't sell. So, and I posted a lot of that 911 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,920 stuff on my YouTube. But I, I think that spirits in 912 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,720 general have, have the capacity to take different forms and 913 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080 interact with us in different ways. 914 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,920 A negative entity will take it upon themselves to interfere 915 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,560 with you and your space and your persona, your consciousness. 916 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,840 Whether it's a pain in the side of the head, whether it's an 917 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:55,720 earring, a ringing in the ear. They have the capacity to read 918 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,640 your thoughts. They have the capacity to mimic 919 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,120 your thoughts and repeat things that you know, they know you're 920 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,120 thinking about before you even say them. 921 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:12,840 I've, I've experienced all that stuff, you know, So I know for a 922 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,920 fact that all the times I've spoken to Melissa, she has 923 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,720 altered my state of consciousness and everything 924 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,240 that occurs between us is through telepathy. 925 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,480 Everything. It's my voice, but I'm not 926 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,800 talking with my mouth. It's her voice. 927 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,640 I have no idea how she does it. It's not something that I turn 928 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,880 on or off. It may be because I have the 929 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,160 sensitivity to, to feel and sense it, but it's something 930 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,080 that she turns on and off and connects with me. 931 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,360 And same way when you go out and all of a sudden you have a 932 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:54,560 headache or you feel dizzy or off balance or sick to your 933 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,360 stomach. I've experienced all those 934 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,840 things. They have the capacity to alter 935 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,120 you. And if they're really nasty, 936 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:08,800 they have the capacity to change your life in some pretty bad 937 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,880 ways. So I don't know if that answered 938 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:17,840 your question precisely, but I think that there's so much 939 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,560 unknown. I, you know, I can remember when 940 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,160 I first started off, I only thought that spirits, spirit, 941 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,600 because of all the beautiful things that happened between 942 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,600 Melissa and our family, that everything was good and that I 943 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,760 was immune to, you know, extraneous interferences from 944 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,040 other sources of spirits. But you know, when you're going 945 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,520 through a bereavement process or you're feeling grief, negative 946 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,000 energy is naturally attracted to you because they want to abuse 947 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,400 and take advantage of your weaknesses. 948 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:59,240 So that was a natural magnetic attraction for negative entity 949 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:05,840 entities to come around us knowing that we had a loving 950 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,560 connection with the hereafter and with our loved ones to try 951 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,200 to abuse that and take advantage of certain situations. 952 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,760 And it's not just me. They do that with a lot of 953 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,120 people, so. Did you ever try to create 954 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,800 something to block that? A negative, you can't. 955 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,680 And if you have an attachment, there's no way that you're going 956 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,360 to get rid of it unless you're, you have the capacity and the 957 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,800 capability of building up your own internal immune system. 958 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,520 And, and I've had attachments, OK, so I know how they act. 959 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,880 I know how they behave and my attachment. 960 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,320 Gary, did you just say a fancy word for intent? 961 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:49,320 Is that? What? 962 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,560 You meant by that that that your your own, your own internal 963 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,760 immune system, spiritual immune system. 964 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,520 Is that intent John John recall John calls that intent like he 965 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,320 tells people you have to have a very. 966 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,680 Strong, I might have to steal that from you, Gary. 967 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,200 As opposed to you called it, you called it your, you called it 968 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,880 your internal immune system, spiritual immune system. 969 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,280 Yeah, that's that's I like that. OK, well, I guess what I'm 970 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:20,680 trying to reflect is, is that if something happens to you and you 971 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,120 know you have an attachment that starts interfering with your 972 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,360 life, most people don't recognize it, OK? 973 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,600 And because they're very subtle, subtle ways in which they can 974 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,440 interfere with with what you do. I mean, John, I don't know if 975 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,520 you've ever experienced negative energy before or any of you, but 976 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,640 but basically, they can cause your mind to drift. 977 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,400 They can you could have brain farts you, you could lose your 978 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,920 focus so easily. You know, if you're, if you're 979 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,920 not strong enough to be able to stay on in, in a particular 980 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,960 zone, they can cause you to just, you know, space out. 981 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,640 And not only that, but they can also cause you to have bad 982 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,360 thoughts and most, and they can cause you to harm yourself or 983 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,720 other people in serious attacks. I mean, a full blown psychic 984 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,880 attack isn't a bad spirit or a bad person in spirit form. 985 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,680 That is a group and they're like a mob, OK? 986 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,440 They will literally saturate you to the extent that you can't 987 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:40,680 sleep, you can't eat, you can't think, you know, there's so many 988 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,680 different things. And when I say this, I'm I'm not 989 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,760 saying it as as, as something that I'm just pulling out of 990 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,400 thin air. These are actual experiences 991 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,200 that I've been through in my life. 992 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,920 So and, and they're horrendous. And if you don't have a good 993 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,480 support mechanism around you, loving family, a wife that 994 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,840 understands, you know, it can get really difficult. 995 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,920 It becomes a very challenging and a lot of people don't really 996 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,560 understand that for whatever reason it it does happen. 997 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,680 Yeah. Yeah, I've seen, I've been, I've 998 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,000 been documenting spirits for almost five years now on social 999 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,800 media. And that's just social media and 1000 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,560 watching other people that do this. 1001 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:31,000 I've watched the decline of many people that are into anything 1002 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,280 that has to do with spirits just slowly decline. 1003 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,920 And you could just, I mean, you could just the way they deal 1004 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,000 with their audience, the way they deal with personal things 1005 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,240 around them, you just watch them decline. 1006 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,080 And you know, I have one big thing I always speak about is 1007 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,080 mental health. And it's like, Hey, if I go live 1008 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,480 and I'm doing my thing and I go, hey, tonight we're going to take 1009 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,440 it easy. It's not because, you know, I'm 1010 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,880 bored. It's not because this is 1011 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,920 because, hey, too much of this is too much time to dial it back 1012 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,320 a little bit laugh, a little bit smile. 1013 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,800 But I've watched the decline. I and, and I say it all the 1014 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,760 time. I think some, but some people 1015 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,200 that are declining to have attachments and they just, they 1016 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,680 just can't tell. They have no idea because almost 1017 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,040 becomes like part of their nature. 1018 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,120 Well, you know if. Brain fog is a is part of 1019 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,920 attachment, John. Then I'm going to have somebody 1020 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,440 go do an exorcism on you, bro, just to get you because I fight 1021 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,160 this guy on brain fog all the time. 1022 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,960 But we just don't know that. Was my stroke, though That was a 1023 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,760 stroke that had nothing to do with that, not to do with 1024 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,040 spirits. Your comment, John, is really 1025 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,640 well taken because you can, you can see, you can feel and sense 1026 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,640 just by some of the content that people post. 1027 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,440 OK. And I've seen that happen where 1028 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,000 somebody would write a remote like a an e-mail or a post the 1029 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,440 end. They're just going in different 1030 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,280 directions. And yeah, I mean, they're, they 1031 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,480 don't have any focus. They're angry at something, but 1032 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,160 they don't understand what that anger where it derives from. 1033 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,320 And so really, you know, when I, when I say to you that you have 1034 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,080 to build up, you know, your own resistance to that, that's 1035 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,880 something that you have to work on as an individual. 1036 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,080 That's an individual. Yeah, you can't get, you know, 1037 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,040 and I'll tell you what. There's no one formula. 1038 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,800 There's no hey, do this. It's it's each, each person is 1039 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,120 different. Sure, there's similarities, but 1040 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,720 each person is different. And it needs to be your own 1041 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:40,160 personal truth and exploration that, you know, defines that. 1042 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,080 Yeah, no, I agree 100%. I've had a lot of, I've had a 1043 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,800 lot of people try to like if when I had a really bad 1044 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,560 attachment, this goes back 15 years ago. 1045 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,840 I've had people try to help me. And I mean, I've had, you know, 1046 01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,040 leading people in the in this field from demonologist to 1047 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,520 mediums, you name, you could name some very popular names and 1048 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,000 they try to help me where I've met with them. 1049 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,280 In some cases, I've flown, you know, to Chicago to try to meet 1050 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,320 with people that could help me, and nothing worked. 1051 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,840 At all. Nothing. 1052 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,000 Gary, I, I, I have a question. After all these years of you, of 1053 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,320 you being in this field, does does Melissa still visit you? 1054 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,800 Oh, that's awesome. That is, that is. 1055 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,240 Awesome. Well, and, and I, I, I want to, 1056 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,800 I want to bring this up to what this is a good segue here to 1057 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,880 talk about this, John, because you went from detection in your 1058 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:47,720 inventions to communication. And, you know, look, the PS-7 or 1059 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,840 the PSB 7, the PSB 11, the, these things are ubiquitous. 1060 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,880 There's not a ghost hunter out there. 1061 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,680 And it's not doesn't have I got one of those. 1062 01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,720 I mean, these things are, you know, what, what was your design 1063 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,560 philosophy behind these boxes? When did you decide? 1064 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,760 Like how did you go from that to this, this form of, you know, 1065 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:14,400 detection to communication? OK, so, so that's really, I'm, 1066 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,080 I'm really happy you brought that up, Gary, because what 1067 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:22,840 happened was somebody approached me and they, they explained that 1068 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,960 you could talk or hear spirits through a sweep radio. 1069 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:29,760 I didn't know what they're talking about. 1070 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,840 And I certainly didn't believe that was possible. 1071 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:38,000 In fact, I was kind of like making fun of it, you know, 1072 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,200 because, you know, they're radio stations to me. 1073 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:46,880 And again, you have to, I have to have something tangible to 1074 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,920 have to hold it at, to hear it, at see it, you know, those are 1075 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,200 all things that that are just part of my logical mind. 1076 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:59,760 But somebody gave me a hack, a RadioShack hack box. 1077 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,680 They sent it to me. They sent it to me. 1078 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,640 And that's. What I used to use, I used to, 1079 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,720 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1080 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:11,279 And, and so I, I was living in Connecticut and I put it down on 1081 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:15,960 the table and I turned it on and Cindy's doing the dishes and I'm 1082 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,439 sitting there listening to this. I'm like shaking my head. 1083 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,439 I'm like, I hear radio stations. I hear every single radio 1084 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,880 station I can hear. And then all of a sudden I hear 1085 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,240 F you, you know, going through it. 1086 01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,120 And I'm like, whoa, sin, did you hear that? 1087 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,080 Like. No FCC right? 1088 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,479 That's not radio right there. FCC guidelines, I swear. 1089 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,000 To I swear I just heard him say that on the radio. 1090 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,319 I said, so whoa, OK, boom. Bells and whistles and smoke 1091 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,680 coming out of my head. This isn't right, you know? 1092 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,640 So, so then so that kind of like got me thinking, all right, so 1093 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,480 now we got a hack box. How are these guys doing this? 1094 01:09:55,480 --> 01:10:00,120 So they're buying RadioShack hack box boxes, hacking into 1095 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,080 them just to make them sweep. And then after using it for, I 1096 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,040 don't know, I went to the Queen Mary and I brought it with me 1097 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,080 and I was in my little bunk room, part of an event or 1098 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:17,520 something and I turned it on and I had a voice say my name and 1099 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,080 I'm like, that did it. OK, something, there's something 1100 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,760 more here. I have to explore this. 1101 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:29,560 And so I set off and I started creating my own FM circuit and 1102 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,680 my own tuner, and I started experimenting with different 1103 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:39,840 frequency speeds, sweep speeds. And I said, OK, if I'm going to 1104 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,600 do this, how could it again? How could I improve it, make it 1105 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,440 better, more efficient? So I came up with AP-SP7 and the 1106 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,680 P-SP7. I could sweep and you could 1107 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,320 adjust the different sweep speeds on the fly. 1108 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,320 You could adjust it was small that could fit into your shirt 1109 01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,800 pocket. All right. 1110 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,760 And if you want to, you could, I came out with a speaker output 1111 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,520 with a little more powers, like 250 milliwatts of power and then 1112 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,200 17 milliwatts of power for earbuds. 1113 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,480 And you know, I just added some bells and whistles, backlit 1114 01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:17,280 display and turn on and off. Just different, little different 1115 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,840 changes that would improve somebody's use of the product, 1116 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,760 which, you know, I think I did it for myself, you know, because 1117 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,960 I wanted to learn more about it at that point. 1118 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,640 So that was the infancy stage. And yes, you know, we've been 1119 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,600 selling that product for 15 years. 1120 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,240 And yes, there's hundreds of thousands of those all over the 1121 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,440 world. But my, my thought process on 1122 01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:43,480 that was if I make a standard product that anybody could buy, 1123 01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:48,840 think about the data that could be shared with all these people 1124 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,360 now using a standard off the shelf device. 1125 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,200 Think of all the posts and all the communication and all the 1126 01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,080 links of people talking. Now we can add more credibility 1127 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,480 to some of these responses that are coming through. 1128 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,480 And you know, that was my premise for, for coming out with 1129 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,920 the P-SP7 when I first turned on my prototype. 1130 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,840 And this is, I think it has, I don't know how many hundreds of 1131 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,960 thousands of views, 250,000 views or something. 1132 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,760 The first thing that came through it was, hi, it's me, 1133 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,560 love you, just like that. And it was Mel's voice. 1134 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,920 And that was my first Test of the device. 1135 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,600 And that's got some really very, a lot of people have listened to 1136 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,720 that over the past 15 years. That's incredible. 1137 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,520 Is that is that cool? And then from there, from there, 1138 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,360 you know, you start and I was giving my way. 1139 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,240 I'd give like I, I say, OK, you know, guess the frequency on my 1140 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,560 on my, on my Twitter, on my X account. 1141 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,240 And, and I said, OK, I, I tuned it into a frequency. 1142 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,360 Guess the frequency and the first one to guess gets, you 1143 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,520 know, I'll send you all an SP7, you know, or I started handing 1144 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,360 him out. That's when Zach started using 1145 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,600 it all the time on his his show and Chris Fleming was using it 1146 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,840 and a lot of people started using it and getting incredible 1147 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,920 results. And everybody uses it. 1148 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,480 There's not a guy, there's nobody. 1149 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:23,400 It is the device. Well, I was disappointed because 1150 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,160 I was watching John and he was using an app while he was 1151 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,560 cleaning those headstones. John knows he has used the SP 1152 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,760 but the SP 7 is out. Loud. 1153 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,640 I come from AI, come from a time when I first started doing this. 1154 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,280 We were modifying our own radios, the RadioShack radios we 1155 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:47,160 So the sound drives me nuts, brings me back to a different 1156 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,120 place, right? So that's my whole thing. 1157 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,320 So I come from that time. So when I got back into the 1158 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,120 paranormal, it started documenting spirits. 1159 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,920 All the sudden there's this SP 7 and I'm like, where the hell was 1160 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,040 this thing, you know, back in early 2000? 1161 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,840 Where was this thing in 2001, 2002, when I was doing this? 1162 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,240 You know, it didn't exist at the time. 1163 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,760 So what, it's just, you know, a little funny thing. 1164 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:20,920 But yeah, so I use, I use the apps and you know, that's just I 1165 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,080 love but. For for for social, for social 1166 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,280 media purposes, though, Gary, it's a little bit easier with 1167 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,480 the apps be just because first to hear them sonically like he 1168 01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:33,600 would to use the SB-7 is more gear for him as he's out there, 1169 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:34,840 right. So it's like he's got to have a 1170 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,200 separate speaker set up. He's got to have more battery 1171 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,440 power. He's got to have a little bit. 1172 01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:41,120 More the only, the only thing, the only thing that the apps 1173 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,920 don't have, and I stress this all the time on my live streams, 1174 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,520 is it's not their actual voices. When you use the SP7 or device 1175 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,120 like it, whether it's an old, you know, old one that you 1176 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,040 modified yourself or you get, you know, the SP7, you get a 1177 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:59,720 chance to hear the actual voice of the, you know, the spirit as 1178 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,880 as Gary said, you know, he heard his daughter's voice. 1179 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,520 Like, no, that's, that's my daughter. 1180 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,000 That's her voice. I know her voice, so that's 1181 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,320 cool. It's just that sound. 1182 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,760 But you know, it doesn't matter when you use those types of 1183 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,520 devices, that's what you get. It drives me nuts with my ADHD. 1184 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,080 Brown for now, so. For now, Uh oh. 1185 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,840 Is this the, is this the, is this what we were talking about 1186 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,400 before me, Dave? You're trying to get me excited, 1187 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,280 man. Yeah, well, you know, you're, 1188 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,600 you're the times are changing, right? 1189 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,920 I mean, I've already found ways I sell little devices that 1190 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,200 eliminate the sweep noise, right? 1191 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,200 I sell I have the my ANC mini, I've got the APFD processor, 1192 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,760 which you can rewind and re listen to stuff. 1193 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,320 I'm on the fly all the time. But I do have a you know, and I 1194 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:53,960 do have the P dash PSB 7 pro and I do have a an evolution of that 1195 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,240 that that I've been right. No, the 11 is actually older 1196 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:04,120 product, but the PSB 7 Pro is my latest and now I've got another 1197 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,160 PSB seven. I'm not going to say what the 1198 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,040 what the name is going to be called, but I'm working on that 1199 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,000 product. And I was just playing with the 1200 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:16,240 circuit just before we got on and my dad came through. 1201 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,120 And the only thing I can tell you is, is, is limiting the 1202 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,360 noise during the sweep. And I'm kind of curious, do you 1203 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,640 think, Gary, do you think that you could hear? 1204 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,440 What if I play something with my dad's voice coming through? 1205 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,440 Do you think you'd be able to hear it? 1206 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,040 I think so, yeah. All right. 1207 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,880 Well, you see you got some clear audio there, right? 1208 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,320 If not, you can e-mail to me afterwards and I'll add it in. 1209 01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:41,840 Well, yeah, let's just let me just play this for you. 1210 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,200 Hold on. See if you hear this. 1211 01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:56,820 Let me go back. So right there you probably 1212 01:16:56,820 --> 01:17:00,260 can't hear it, but this is the the noise level now. 1213 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:10,120 So what my dad is saying is I love you. 1214 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:17,160 And what I've done is I've already figured out how to 1215 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,960 remove the sweep noise and just allow spirit voices to come 1216 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,440 through. That's something that was really 1217 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:28,240 important because what I'm trying to do is address the next 1218 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:33,440 generation of people who are interested in ITC instrumental 1219 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:38,000 trans communication. And you know, a lot of time has 1220 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,640 gone by since the SB7P-SB-7 was introduced. 1221 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,400 And then I came out with the SB11, as you mentioned, the SB11 1222 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,200 with noise control built into it. 1223 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:52,600 That's a, a simultaneous dual channel dual sweep device. 1224 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,960 So you can sweep AM and FM simultaneously. 1225 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,360 You can sweep at different speeds. 1226 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,560 You can 2/1 at 100 milliseconds, one at 200 milliseconds in FM 1227 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:09,440 and you could also tune out the sweep noise simultaneously and 1228 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,440 you get some really cool responses with that. 1229 01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:17,600 Well, one of the things, one of the faults that most people go 1230 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,120 through today is being able to hear clearly. 1231 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,920 And John, you know with all your experience that it takes time to 1232 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:32,720 decipher and train your brain, OK, to hear those subtle 1233 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,680 responses that most people just, you know, chalk off as being 1234 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,000 noise or just, you know, whatever it is. 1235 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,440 But there are things they are clearly that a seasoned 1236 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:48,240 professional like yourself would have developed over time that 1237 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,800 you can use in order to communicate fluently with spirit 1238 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,000 right in a bi directional fashion. 1239 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,280 So that you're talking, they're talking and you're talking back. 1240 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,960 Your that's true ITC when you're getting multiple responses and 1241 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,240 you're able to keep up with what they're saying. 1242 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:11,400 And here's here's something else I've learned. 1243 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:18,480 Not only are you rewarded by by getting additional communication 1244 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,400 with spirits, they recognize that you're capable. 1245 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:27,360 You're capable, capable person who can decipher and translate 1246 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,600 in real time. And So what they do is they 1247 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,040 reward you with more content and more communication. 1248 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,320 The average person can't do that. 1249 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,000 And it takes sometimes years for somebody to learn how to do 1250 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,960 that. What I'm trying to do now is 1251 01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:52,520 make it so that the average person, for whatever reason, 1252 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,960 whether they lost a spouse, a partner, a daughter, a a son, a 1253 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,680 brother, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. 1254 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,800 Give them the opportunity. Find a way to give them the 1255 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,520 opportunity to be able to decipher and hear clearly enough 1256 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:14,120 so that they can find that inner peace that allows them to live 1257 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,680 their life. And continue on in in a way that 1258 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,880 is meaningful to them. You know, a lot of people don't, 1259 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,000 a lot of people end up going into a state of depression after 1260 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,960 losing a spouse or a child or whatever. 1261 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,960 And it's the recovery time for that is just ridiculous. 1262 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:37,160 But but if you hear the voice of your loved one come through and 1263 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:43,600 they say I love you, or they say you know I'm here or anything, 1264 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:49,960 just any simple greeting, your heart is lifted in ways that no 1265 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,200 medicine could ever do. I mean the healing properties 1266 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,840 from just a very simple comment from your loved one and you 1267 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,400 recognize that sound of their voice is the difference between 1268 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,120 moving on in a fulfilling manner, you know, or? 1269 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:10,200 I love that as a a motivation of yours of of creating this stuff, 1270 01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,920 we would be remiss if we don't talk about one more device that 1271 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,520 is just as ubiquitous as the P-SB-7, which is the R.E.M. 1272 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,160 Pod. Oh, the R.E.M. pod. 1273 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,920 Yeah, the R.E.M. Pod is everywhere and you know, 1274 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:26,320 I mean. Not only is the R.E.M. 1275 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,120 Pod everywhere. I mean there's tons of proximity 1276 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,680 sensor versions that came after of it. 1277 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,360 You know, everyone, it's so funny. 1278 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,920 Literally people get like I had a custom one made and and I tell 1279 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,120 people it's a proximity sensor and they're like, oh, it's a 1280 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,960 R.E.M. pod and I'm like no, R.E.M. pod is an actual brand. 1281 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,680 You know Kleenex to nose tissue. You know, R.E.M. 1282 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,960 Pod, it's everywhere. So what? 1283 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,680 So what? What led you to now? 1284 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,800 You went from detection on one level communication and then the 1285 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:03,000 the R.E.M. pod and a a sort of a different form of detection. 1286 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,360 What's the where was the process there? 1287 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,840 OK, so. So there's a couple of things I 1288 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,240 want to address. The for the first thing is the 1289 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,760 R.E.M. pod. The the R.E.M. 1290 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:21,320 Pod is a specialized capacitive circuit, OK, And it does 1291 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,240 generate an electromagnetic magnetic field. 1292 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,720 The reason I came up with a RAMPOD is I wanted something 1293 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,880 that could compete and do better than the K2 Meter. 1294 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,640 Now the RAMPOD is 13 years, 14 years old too. 1295 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,600 So I mean that goes way back in time. 1296 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,560 So what I ended up doing was. It's very similar to a Thurman, 1297 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,240 right? That was my understanding. 1298 01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,720 On a Rampod, it's basically a Thurman, yeah. 1299 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,200 Let's let's get into that. So So what happened was I 1300 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,080 started, I started doing research. 1301 01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,560 One of my favorite shows as a kid was Lost in space. 1302 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:05,080 Lost in Space they used with Billy Mummy and and Angela 1303 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,440 Cartwright and all those those actors and actresses. 1304 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,320 And one of one of the devices that they use for sound effects 1305 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:18,960 was a theremin device. And so I knew that that using a 1306 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,960 heterodyne principle, I could I could modify some software and 1307 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:29,640 then utilize that to form words. My goal there was to research 1308 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,680 and learn more about creating some kind of verbal interaction 1309 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,080 with spirit. So I started buying off the 1310 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,320 shelf. Theremin's some of the more 1311 01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,000 expensive, and I did a lot of time with it. 1312 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,320 And I'm like, all right, this is going to take me some time to, 1313 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,560 to perfect. So I had to decide whether or 1314 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,360 not I was going to do that or put some time and research into 1315 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,080 my spirit boxes, my sweep radios and stuff like that. 1316 01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:02,000 So I ended up I wanted something to compete with the with the K2, 1317 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,160 but in a different way. So I end up finding, as you 1318 01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,200 mentioned, John, I found this little circuit, a little red 1319 01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,920 circuit called a theremin, A theremin board. 1320 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,280 So I took that, I modified it a little bit and I'm like, OK, so 1321 01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:22,080 the only way to find out if my theory is correct, I have to 1322 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,920 have it out in the field for people to, to play with and see 1323 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,040 what kind of results people get in haunted locations. 1324 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,160 So I took that. I created a product called a 1325 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:38,720 Rampod which is trademarked and registered and I. 1326 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,800 What's the name come from? What's the name come from? 1327 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:43,800 It was just something in my head. 1328 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,520 It was just something that came up and I remember writing down 1329 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:54,080 stuff, all these names down. And what I did was I went to my 1330 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:58,680 local Ace Hardware store and I walked up and down the aisles 1331 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,440 and I'm looking at the plumbers couplings. 1332 01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:05,440 I'm like that, that might be that might be perfect. 1333 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,440 So I bought a three inch plumbers coupling with threads 1334 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,920 on the bottom and I'm like, OK, the next thing, what else do I 1335 01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,520 need? OK, I'm like, all right, how do 1336 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,440 I take this? Can I put the circuit in that? 1337 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,480 So I came up with that. I started creating a cutting 1338 01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:26,080 plastic acrylic plexiglass, if you will, and I started creating 1339 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,000 covers and I started creating a bottom plate. 1340 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:33,360 I started buying a 9 Volt battery coupling and I just 1341 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,560 started building them from scratch and putting the red 1342 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,640 circuit board inside there and like in my mind I see a vision 1343 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:47,360 of of what is that I want and it created this round pod shaped 1344 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,960 device and so I I called it a R.E.M. pod and R.E.M. 1345 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:58,440 Was for radiated EM and obviously I just said pod, you 1346 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:03,960 know, and that's pretty much how the product came to be, except 1347 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,560 once it got out the field you were assembling them. 1348 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,080 I was mixing glow resin. The initial design was glow 1349 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:17,400 resin to where I was literally mixing epoxies and pouring in 1350 01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:23,200 glow powder and pouring that over the LE DS and using a heat 1351 01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,720 gun to take all the bubbles out and make it like glass. 1352 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,000 And I was putting so much time into it. 1353 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:34,400 And the first place that went, I think was to Zach. 1354 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:39,120 And then I started selling them. We had, we only had the capacity 1355 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:43,520 to make five of those a day. I'll never forget that five a 1356 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,200 day. And from that I started seeing 1357 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,640 incredible results in the field. And so I designed a more 1358 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:57,320 elaborate circuit, which then had my own thoughts and in what 1359 01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:01,040 I thought would make it better, which was adjustable 1360 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:06,880 sensitivity, adjustable sound. And now my latest is the Rampod 1361 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,760 Rev 3. I've actually incorporated my 1362 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:10,720 voice. Is that? 1363 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,320 Is that the one with the firmware in it? 1364 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,360 Now what? It's got some sort of. 1365 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:22,560 The Rev Rev 2 had had the capacity to adjust sensitivity 1366 01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,360 in five levels and it had auto 0 built into it. 1367 01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,920 So you had range adjustment, Auto Zero, and you had my ATDD 1368 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,720 temperature with audible tones built into it. 1369 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,840 And then from there, I just created my new R.E.M. 1370 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,640 POD Rev 3, which now gives you full creative control over all 1371 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,360 the sound elements. My voice. 1372 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,960 The tones are more distinctive, so you can now correlate a tone 1373 01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,400 with a particular color in your mind. 1374 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:56,960 So you don't have to be there to look at it. 1375 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,480 It's not a buzzing sound. It's a clear, decisive tone that 1376 01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:05,720 you can hear. And so you know, over time, 1377 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,240 evolution and, and time, you start to create different 1378 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,840 things. But as you mentioned, John, the 1379 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,960 the worst enemy that we had with that product was the knock offs 1380 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,360 from China. They, they bought my product and 1381 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,080 they literally sucked all my software out of it. 1382 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,840 And so that forced me to create the Rampod Rev 3. 1383 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,760 So I can stay one I have to say at least 2 steps ahead of. 1384 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,560 Them one step. Yeah, Yeah, you have to. 1385 01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:35,000 So that's that's pretty much how the Rampod came about. 1386 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,400 Gary, I got a few more questions for you if you've got the time. 1387 01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,400 Because this has been absolutely. 1388 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,440 This is absolutely fascinating for for for me. 1389 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:49,080 So all right, all your devices, right. 1390 01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,400 So for investigators now, and they're going to go out and use 1391 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,240 in the field what, and for all the things you create and even 1392 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,960 some of the things maybe that you've got up and coming that 1393 01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,920 you're hoping for. What, what what are the top 1394 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:03,400 three pieces of of advice that you you they should have and 1395 01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,520 devices and and advice that you would give them when they're in 1396 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,200 the field using your devices? Well, the the biggest thing that 1397 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,640 I learned, this is very important. 1398 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:18,320 The biggest thing that I've learned was after people still 1399 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,480 had so many questions, Gary, you know, like people were trying to 1400 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:26,160 figure out what frequency did the spirit come through with 1401 01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:31,000 that response and nobody knew how to how to do that. 1402 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:38,520 So I created a scientific platform that I call Radio XITC 1403 01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,480 now that is over 2000 software adjustments in it. 1404 01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:50,120 It was a tool for me so that when I develop new ITC devices, 1405 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,440 it will incorporate some of the things I learned with this 1406 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,960 highly technical platform that I created. 1407 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,120 Everybody wanted to buy the when I start posting my research 1408 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:06,800 audio segments. Everybody wanted to buy this 1409 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,280 product and the connection and connectivity with Spirit. 1410 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,560 I can talk to spirits using one frequency. 1411 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,600 So there's no sweep sounds at all. 1412 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,920 Spirits just talk through it. It's like a nap, John. 1413 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,840 OK, Except for you actually hear their voices. 1414 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,160 This is how I've had communication with my mom, with 1415 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,200 Melissa, with my sister, with my dad, with my aunts. 1416 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,000 I've had all of them come through and have conversations 1417 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,880 with them, many of which are posted again on my YouTube 1418 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,840 channel. So the radio X showed me not 1419 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,520 only did it allow me to figure out the frequencies, but to 1420 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,080 disprove and allow people to gain better confidence in what 1421 01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,200 they are hearing. I did. 1422 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,120 I had a feature and I still have the feature that allows me to 1423 01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:02,680 record it and then play back and overlap the actual radio 1424 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:08,000 broadcast with the spirit response in that same segment. 1425 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,240 So if I'm listening and I hear a spirit say I love you, it allows 1426 01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,880 me to go back in real time to that segment of the radio 1427 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:22,000 broadcast and play that and compare it to what the spirit 1428 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,680 said in that same exact spot. So now anyone? 1429 01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,160 So. Wait, wait, I'm trying to get my 1430 01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,160 head around what you said that is so wait, so you're here. 1431 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,920 Wait a minute. You're so if I hear I love you 1432 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,160 come through the the like the, you know, like that comes 1433 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,880 through like a quick blurb. I can go back and listen to a 1434 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,240 non quick blurb of the station at that time. 1435 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,160 Yeah. So it allows me, it allows me 1436 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:57,080 now to be able to take proof. It allows you to prove it again, 1437 01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,600 empirical data. You've got data to substantiate 1438 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:06,240 the response against the actual radio broadcast and, and those 1439 01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:14,240 that allowed me not only to not only be able to show people what 1440 01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,280 was broadcast and then show the spirit response which is 1441 01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:20,840 overlapped within that segment, it's a 10 second window. 1442 01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:26,200 Typically, I can narrow it down to 10 seconds, so I can play 1443 01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:30,240 whatever's been played on that station and then show you and I 1444 01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,840 can go back and forth. So I can and show you how that 1445 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:38,920 was created because my device has special filtering in it and 1446 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,360 it shows you by introducing and changing the signal strength in 1447 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,600 my filtering. And all those little elements, 1448 01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,720 when you combine them together, you're creating. 1449 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,280 It's a window of opportunity for spirits to communicate more 1450 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,880 fluently in that little segment. Wait, which device is? 1451 01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,480 This oh this is my Radio X ITC device. 1452 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,480 This is your radio. But it's not for sale. 1453 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,360 I did this is the one he this. Is your own sort of thing. 1454 01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,480 I love it, it's so cool. I used it. 1455 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:14,280 I used it on 2 television shows. The last one, it was in one was 1456 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,360 at a sanitarium in Illin, where was it? 1457 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,560 Indiana San Sanitarium or something like that. 1458 01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,520 And then the other one was at the Glen Tavern on Ghost 1459 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:29,400 Adventures and in the sanitarium I had a full blown conversation. 1460 01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:34,240 Spirits were telling me where they were, why they were there, 1461 01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,320 they were caught. They called out my name 2 times 1462 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,560 and I'm having a conversation with them. 1463 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,160 It was the most extraordinary thing I've experienced in the 1464 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,960 field. This is like, you know, my my 1465 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,160 segment was lasted 3 hours. I mean, I had cameras all around 1466 01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,800 me. Well, look, I mean now this is 1467 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,480 that is the coolest thing I've heard too. 1468 01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:59,240 That is a wild device. But again, but now that's not 1469 01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,560 for sale. So we we once again taking 1470 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,000 ourselves off the train. What do we tell the guys that 1471 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,800 are out there hunting that don't have the radio? 1472 01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,800 You know, this radio X. What are they? 1473 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,320 What is their your advice to them with your devices in terms 1474 01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:16,160 of you know how they should be approaching these locations with 1475 01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:20,960 your equipment and using them the right way to get a ton of 1476 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,320 data they should be getting? So the the most so from that 1477 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:29,160 radio xitc I created a device called APFD processor. 1478 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,480 The APFD processor takes audio input. 1479 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,760 It could be from an app if you can go through Bluetooth. 1480 01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:45,480 Excuse me, you can go through Bluetooth or you can, you know, 1481 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:48,160 just connect some audio output directly to it. 1482 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:55,520 But the APFD processor allows me to adjust my low and high pass 1483 01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,440 filtering. It allows me to rewind something 1484 01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:02,640 that I hear, but I want to prove to myself I heard it. 1485 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,040 So you can rewind it in 10 second increments. 1486 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,480 If you press it, you press the rewind button one time, you go 1487 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:11,320 back 10 seconds, you press the rewind button, you go back 20 1488 01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:16,160 seconds and so on and so forth. It has the ability of cancelling 1489 01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:20,920 the noise of the sweep, it has a built in speaker and it also has 1490 01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:25,800 a separate audio output so you can a novice. 1491 01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:31,640 And it also has a graphical depiction of the audio profile 1492 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,960 which scrolls by on the screen so you can see the artifact in 1493 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,560 real time as it's been created, the voice and speech has been 1494 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,400 created. So that device combined with 1495 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:51,480 your SB-7, your SB-7 Pro, your SB11, whatever you have, OK, 1496 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:54,840 works with any device. And it's really a research tool 1497 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:59,080 for for people who aren't having difficulties deciphering what 1498 01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,000 they hear. Because in that moment in time 1499 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,720 when that response goes through, it's gone. 1500 01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:09,080 But it's not gone with the APFD. The APFD allows you to play it 1501 01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,560 back slower, to rewind and play it as many times as you want 1502 01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,400 until it sinks in. Up here, once it sinks in, then 1503 01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,960 it gives you a chance to learn how to use the device and learn 1504 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,240 how to decipher what you're hearing from Spirit. 1505 01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:27,440 So that tool is an essential in anybody's toolbox in my opinion, 1506 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,800 because it takes a novice and helps train that individual to 1507 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,880 be able to hear and learn and, and basically you're modifying 1508 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,320 the way that you hear things audibly, not only. 1509 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,720 They can find that. They can find that on your 1510 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,040 website. Yeah. 1511 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,240 It sounds like a great, great weapon against one of the bangs 1512 01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,000 of the paranormal that I always speak about, which is audio 1513 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,680 pareidolia. Exactly. 1514 01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,840 It would it's a it allows you, John, to analyze things more 1515 01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:01,000 carefully, OK, and make an informed decision what you 1516 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,920 believe you're hearing without guessing. 1517 01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:05,960 All right. And you know, if you're doing a 1518 01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:09,200 live episode and you and I should talk John, because I 1519 01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,960 understand you do a lot of stuff on your, the social media and 1520 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,640 stuff. And if I can help you, if I help 1521 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,480 you advance in that area with some of my equipment, I'd be 1522 01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:25,440 happy to do that for you. So I mean, the APFD processor, I 1523 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:29,680 have an armband that you put on your arm and it connects here. 1524 01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:35,280 So now you have a free hand and then you're holding your SP7 or 1525 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:40,000 whatever device it connects by Bluetooth from the SP7 to this 1526 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,960 device. If you hear something, you can 1527 01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,320 tap the buttons. OK, so you know you've got you 1528 01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,840 want to rewind it, play it back to your listening artist. 1529 01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,240 Do you hear that? Or do it again slow. 1530 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,000 That's cool, John, if you can put the phone through that, 1531 01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,920 that's. Cool, slow it down, speed it up, 1532 01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,720 you know, change the filtering. Wow. 1533 01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,240 So when you hear a spirit response, it's a low tone and 1534 01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,760 you want to elevate that. So we'll do is we let we let the 1535 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,520 higher frequencies pass through to elevated it up, you know, so 1536 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,280 it's you can hear it more clearly. 1537 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:19,080 So those are things for me. It's all about how do I improve 1538 01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,800 the way that you enjoy your investigation? 1539 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:27,960 How do I make it better for you as a person, not just a me too 1540 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,800 product. It's, it's something that I 1541 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,920 benefited from and I learned from through my radio X and then 1542 01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:41,200 there the SB-7 Pro, the features I learned that spirits 1543 01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:47,840 manipulate fragmentated or fragmentation of, of small bits 1544 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:52,480 of radio. OK, So what I did with my PSB 7 1545 01:38:52,480 --> 01:39:00,400 Pro is when, when you use a, a radio, you are are taking steps 1546 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:05,320 in 100 kHz frequencies. So, so it'll go, you know, 98 1547 01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:10,840 point 198.2. What I've done with radio X with 1548 01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:18,720 my SB-7 Pro is I'm taking 10 kHz steps or 20 kHz steps or 40 or 1549 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:24,320 60 or 80 or so you select how many fragments you want to hear 1550 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,880 around the predominant stations. So if you have a strong station, 1551 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,680 the leading and trailing edges of that strong station, you're 1552 01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,600 picking up little bits of radio leading up to the predominant 1553 01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,520 station. And then you're also picking up 1554 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,120 little bits of radio on the trailing edge. 1555 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,440 And they're small splintered pieces. 1556 01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:47,560 And what spirit will do is they'll take those small little 1557 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:53,400 pieces and they will manipulate those frequencies to form more 1558 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,280 words. And in many cases I've had as 1559 01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:00,600 many as 11 word sentences coming out of it, so. 1560 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,320 That's what the process of. Splint splintered spirits. 1561 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,400 Oh, yeah, there you go. That's probably right. 1562 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,320 That's how I'm looking at you. And I'm thinking splinters here, 1563 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,160 splintered, OK. And and so that's allows you to 1564 01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,000 do it now with my newest product that I'm working on right now. 1565 01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,480 And I'll just let you in on a little bit. 1566 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:27,880 What I've done is in the SB-7 Pro, I've taken my separate APFD 1567 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:32,240 processor and I've combined that into the SP7 Pro. 1568 01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:39,560 And I also give you the ability to rewind it okay and record it 1569 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:44,280 in, in my, my device. So and I'm just I'm I'm working 1570 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:50,360 out software bugs right now. So this so this new let's just 1571 01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:54,000 say the new SB-7, right? We don't want the exact name. 1572 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,800 Yeah, the new SB-7 with the with that, that will also have the 1573 01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,600 ability if I wanted to connect to Bluetooth, what let's say a 1574 01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:07,120 random app that I'm using. Well, the the new SB-7 is in 1575 01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:11,840 itself a complete ITC sweep device. 1576 01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,920 It's a radio, OK, and it does have Bluetooth built into it, 1577 01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:22,160 but that Bluetooth is allows you to transmit to a remote speaker 1578 01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,240 or you know. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. 1579 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,360 You want that other John? You want that other thing? 1580 01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:28,600 Do you want the AFB? Do you just want that? 1581 01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:30,120 What? What's it called again? 1582 01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:31,480 The. D process. 1583 01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,440 The APF you want. That yes, yes, yes, that sounds. 1584 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,560 That sounds something that you should play with because if it 1585 01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,240 can, if you could stop, if you could stop and then just go, 1586 01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,680 hey, what was that? And then go boot and then you 1587 01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,880 can go back 10 seconds and then you share it again for your 1588 01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,800 audience when you're live. That's how it works. 1589 01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,840 Yes, it but, but it it to my, my, my whole mindset on it. 1590 01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,320 Gary, I find all this insanely interesting. 1591 01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,120 I'm loving everything I'm hearing, right? 1592 01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:02,080 But like right now what I've been doing, what I've been doing 1593 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,480 lately is running multiple apps, right? 1594 01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:08,640 I'll have this one and that one, I'll have four different ones 1595 01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,600 going each one. And these are, you know, 1596 01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:14,000 competitive companies, right? The ghost tube is better than, 1597 01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,400 you know, transcend theory and Transcend theory is better than 1598 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,440 Necromic. You know, these are all these 1599 01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:20,920 different, you know, they, they're all in competition with 1600 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,280 each other, yet they all work together. 1601 01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,200 Like I'll have the spirit coming through on one of the dispirit 1602 01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,400 coming through on the other. And it's all coherent 1603 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,720 conversation. It's not just like random 1604 01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:37,520 imagine, imagine with that, then being able to incorporate the 1605 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:43,880 basics of the SP7 along with what the other guy was talking 1606 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,800 about that I would love being able to stop and rewind and be 1607 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,040 like, hey, you know, let's go back and listen to that for a 1608 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,120 minute. Hold on, let me isolate this. 1609 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:57,120 This is what this was. Well, yeah, it's it's good. 1610 01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:00,160 It's all deadly, dude. But I mean for like for those 1611 01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:03,120 times, John, when you're walking and you don't have 16 different 1612 01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,320 apps going and you're not clean, like if you just have the one 1613 01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:07,320 app rolling. Well, I only have one going when 1614 01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,320 I'm walking. It's only one when walking, and 1615 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,680 that would be notable, but only one when walking. 1616 01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:16,560 But that that device would be that's like, wait a minute, what 1617 01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:17,640 was that? Because you're always talking, 1618 01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,080 you're always sitting there gabbing away to your audience. 1619 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:21,960 And if you had and you heard something you weren't sure, you 1620 01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:23,240 could be like, wait a minute, did I just hear it? 1621 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,600 And then you could quickly go boop and then you'd hear it 1622 01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,280 again. You can even slow it down. 1623 01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,640 I mean, that's that's that's that's up your alley, bro. 1624 01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,120 We got to talk about this. That's like, yeah, that's some. 1625 01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,760 And it sounds like it's real easy to use and you strap it on. 1626 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,360 It's. Very easy to use and it's it's, 1627 01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,600 it's designed for field, you know, practical use. 1628 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,400 I mean it's designed for the field. 1629 01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:47,560 It's small enough and slight enough and it uses a 1630 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:52,880 rechargeable 9 Volt battery. And you know, I don't know, 1631 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,960 it's, it's something that that for the dynamics of it will 1632 01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,000 allow you to engage better with your audience. 1633 01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:02,840 You know, just. We got to talk about that. 1634 01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,640 We got to get you in. Yeah, I got, I got one more 1635 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,800 question for you. You have given us probably more 1636 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,240 time than anybody and I appreciate it like it is this 1637 01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:12,120 has. Been awesome. 1638 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,160 This has been I. Mean. 1639 01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:15,240 Good. Our whole thing is spirit 1640 01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:16,600 communication. What are spirits? 1641 01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,840 And you're like, you know, the godfather of it all, man. 1642 01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,760 I mean, it's like there's not a single ghost center out there 1643 01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:24,600 who doesn't use your stuff. And your story has been 1644 01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,920 incredible. So I mean, I, I really just want 1645 01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:32,280 to know from you as an engineer and as a father, you know, and, 1646 01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:38,440 and as a spiritual believer here, what's the future of this? 1647 01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,200 Where do you want to see it? What do you think's coming next? 1648 01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:49,600 Well, I, I think I can only look at it from my own perspective 1649 01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:55,680 and the path that I've been on has been more than enlightening 1650 01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:00,560 to me because I have seen myself transform. 1651 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:06,720 So I think that as we grow in this field together, I think 1652 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,560 that we, especially guys like John, myself, anyone who has put 1653 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,960 their heart and soul into learning and gaining knowledge 1654 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:20,720 and wisdom in this field because because you have a, it's almost 1655 01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,760 like a seeded interest. It's, it's part of who you are 1656 01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:28,120 as a person. This is the path I, I should be 1657 01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:31,400 on and this is the path that I'm dedicated to it. 1658 01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,280 For whatever reason. I'm, it's not that I'm trying to 1659 01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:38,560 prove something to other people. It's something that I want from 1660 01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:42,440 within myself. And what I've noticed is the 1661 01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:46,920 future, as we gain more knowledge and as we grow in this 1662 01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:50,520 field, I think certain individuals have become more 1663 01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:57,320 sensitized and gain a more clear insight as to who we are as 1664 01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:59,880 spiritual beings. I mean, I have certain 1665 01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:04,840 sensitivities now, Gary, that I didn't have 20 years ago, all 1666 01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:11,280 from using and using skills that I believe I have inside of me. 1667 01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:17,520 So I think a lot of it is that most people today are too busy 1668 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,920 to notice some of the most important things of who we are 1669 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:25,560 as, as spiritual beings. We are spiritual beings. 1670 01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,520 I mean, I know, I, I, I've been out of body. 1671 01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,280 I mean, I've some of the stuff that I've done. 1672 01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:36,880 I, I, I shocked myself. I can remember feeling my arm 1673 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,000 sitting on the side of the bed and saying in my dead, you know, 1674 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:45,080 and how excited I was when when I first escaped my body. 1675 01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:48,520 And I heard that man say you are in the alpha because you're in 1676 01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:52,760 the alpha state. And hearing A rush of air in my 1677 01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,560 ears and then dislodging from my body the stuff that I've been 1678 01:46:56,560 --> 01:47:01,640 through. Most people can only look at 1679 01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:06,880 with an open mind and then hope that something like that is true 1680 01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,600 and that someday they have that kind of experience. 1681 01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:15,480 Because Gary, I, I, it is, I hope they do too. 1682 01:47:15,480 --> 01:47:17,000 I mean, that's it. That would be, that would change 1683 01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:18,200 the world as we know it for sure. 1684 01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,400 I mean, and I look for, if you're looking for all of the 1685 01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:26,520 gear we talked about, you got to go to proprohyphenmeasure.com. 1686 01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,520 This is Gary's company, the DAS Distribution, Inc, 1687 01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:35,880 prohyphenmeasure.com. I'll put that up, that link up 1688 01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:40,000 and it'll be a link to it in the link tree in our bio here as 1689 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:40,760 well. And everything. 1690 01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,520 Gary and Gary, what's your YouTube channel? 1691 01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,320 It's. Just at Gary Galka. 1692 01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:51,320 At Gary Galka GALKA correct and Gary the best way to spell it 1693 01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:56,920 one R yeah the only way to spell it Gary Galka 134 year old 1694 01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,840 silver fox here with the body of a 40 year old yeah this guy 1695 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,960 when. When's the, when's the, when's 1696 01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,560 the device coming out that siphons energy from the 1697 01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,200 afterlife and regenerate, you know? 1698 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,800 Gives you who? Did you sell your soul to like, 1699 01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:15,080 what's the real figure? What, what deal did you make? 1700 01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,240 Yeah. I when you and I do believe some 1701 01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,480 people do make deals. I have no deals that I'm aware 1702 01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:22,200 of, man. I'll tell you what. 1703 01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,280 This cat looks good. Wait till you watch this 1704 01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,080 episode. If you're listening to it, hop 1705 01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,080 over to if you're listening to it on Spotify, hop over to 1706 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,720 YouTube and look at this guy. It's that's the that's the most 1707 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:32,960 unbelievable part of the whole story. 1708 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:37,200 How old this man is, Gary, This has been absolutely wonderful. 1709 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:38,760 I can't thank you enough for sharing this with us. 1710 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,880 It's really, it really means a lot to us. 1711 01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:43,640 Thank you. Yeah. 1712 01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,000 My pleasure, my pleasure. We should do it again sometime. 1713 01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,080 Well, that's it for another episode of Splintered Spirits. 1714 01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,880 Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to our YouTube 1715 01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,160 channel, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1716 01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,560 Until next time, stay curious.