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I mean, even the attitude 
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haunted horror show of the house
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Like first of all, I mean, I 
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said, if I bought the house, I'm
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That's going to happen to build 
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House. 
So therefore you're not allowed 

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to buy the house. 
Welcome to Splintered Spirits, 

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the podcast where we explore 
what lingers after the lights go

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out, memories, energy, and the 
mysteries that refuse to be 

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buried. 
I'm your host, Gary here at my 

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nephew John Santa from Santa 
Paranormal, and today's episode 

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is a story not just about 
haunting, but about survival. 

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If you've seen The Conjuring, 
you know the broad strokes of 

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what happened to the parent 
family inside that Rhode Island 

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farmhouse. 
But what few people talk about 

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is what came after. 
How do you move forward once 

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your childhood becomes one of 
the most infamous haunting cases

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in modern history? 
How do you reclaim your own 

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story after the world has turned
it into folklore? 

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Our guest Andrea Perrin lived 
through it and then spent 

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decades trying to understand it.
Through retrospection, writing, 

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and acceptance, she's turned 
something that could have 

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destroyed her into something 
profoundly meaningful. 

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And now she's facing a new 
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Brain tumors with the same grace
and courage that carried her 

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through her childhood. 
Haunting. 

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Today, she joins us to talk 
about survival in every sense of

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the word, The long road of 
processing those early years, 

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how her understanding of spirit 
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her to a new mission to preserve
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all through a GoFundMe campaign.
Believe me, I would have burned 

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that place down a long time ago.
This isn't a ghost story. 

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It's a story of healing, 
perspective, and the quiet 

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resilience it takes to live with
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And as Annie so emotionally puts
it, still keep moving toward the

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light. 
Let's dive into the 

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conversation. 
When I'm there, I mean, they're,

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they're in it, I mean. 
They're in, yeah. 

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And, and I've got a doctor that 
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I've got your back. 
There you go. 

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All I needed to hear. 
Good. 

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That is, that is so, so good to 
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Yeah. 
Well, yeah, I mean, Andrew, you 

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are a survivor on many levels, 
that is for sure. 

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Yeah, it's true. 
It's it's. 

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This is true. 
Well, first of all, I can't 

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thank you enough for taking the 
time to sit down with us here on

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Splintered spirits. 
It's it's an honor for us to 

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have you. 
It's but you know, I, I would 

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say in this paranormal space 
that John's been in for a while,

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but I'm very new to you are an 
absolute legend. 

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I mean for, for, for numerous 
reasons, just as someone who's 

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experienced probably the worst 
there is of it, your books, the 

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stories you've told, everything 
in, in your, in your approach to

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the space. 
Now for us on this, this thing 

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is about me and my sort of 
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paranormal is and what John does
and what spirits are. 

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So you for, for anyone that's 
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who doesn't know who you are, 
listen, go buy her fucking books

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and read the stories. 
And you're going to find a link 

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to those books in my link tree 
because we're here. 

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I mean, you should know this 
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It, it's, it's, it's from, it's 
the woman who lived in The 

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Conjuring house, for Christ's 
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So I don't want to waste a lot 
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about What's the difference 
between your story and the 

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movie? 
Yeah, most everybody knows that 

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now, I think. 
They should know it. 

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They should know. 
They should know it. 

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But you know, what I want to 
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house when you were 12 and you 
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Yes. 
At what point did you start to 

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understand what it really was 
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Within 5 minutes. 
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you're like, that's a ghost. 
That's a ghost. 

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Well, no, I didn't think he was 
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solid to me. 
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Like I could have walked up to 
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his arm, greeted him. 
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through the dining room and. 
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He stared right through me like 
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invisible ghost. 
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Mr. Kenyon packing the last of 
his wife's China out of his 

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corner hutch cabinet in the 
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And it was freezing cold and 
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going on. 
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swamp Yankee and it's moving 
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You just put everything in the 
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And so we did, very slowly up 
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the country. 
And within 5 minutes, I walked 

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in with a box marked kitchen for
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She was already in the kitchen 
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And then the other four of us 
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able to carry boxes marked 
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And when I walked in and I saw 
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very oddly dressed man because 
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I was in any way familiar with 
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Everything looked like it was 
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It was hand stitched, including 
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he had his leg mounted up 
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grin on his face. 
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Kenyon, just staring lovingly at
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And no. 
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she walks into the kitchen and 
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Mr. Kenyon? 
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so. 
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Everybody saw him. 
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were even younger than you. 
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So when did you realize? 
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then Cindy came in and she was 
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April was already in the 
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So Cindy was #4 and she came in 
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mother, Mom, who's that man with
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And Mom said, there's nobody 
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His son is on the way. 
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And so I'm sure that we as 
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had stopped by and that he was 
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interact with little girls 
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And then my Sister Nancy, walks 
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over to Cindy and she says, sin,
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Kenyon? 
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And boom, there it was. 
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So when when you when you said 
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him, so you think that he was 
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affection and admiration. 
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And then when did you sort of 
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That makes you think as a 12 
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Or what was the moment where you
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are these ghosts? 
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5 minutes after we moved into 
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So OK, so then you're you're 
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Instantaneous for me. 
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Instantaneous For me. 
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alone. 
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not living alone. 
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different from the house that we
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nothing was ever going to be the
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So what? 
What changed for you from what 

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you thought a ghost was in that 
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what you think the spirit is 
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The same. 
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So what is that? 
What is the Spirit the. 

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Spirit is OK. 
I'm going to give you my most 

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famous quotation now that's 
written on all of my coffee 

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mugs. 
Because you know, when you're a 

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superstar, you have your own 
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And because coffee is the nectar
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that says this to be touched by.
All right, let me get it right. 

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To be touched by spirit is not a
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That rare glimpse into the realm
from which we come, and we'll 

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all inevitably return. 
Be not afraid. 

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Be the light you seek. 
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Sorry. 
I don't mean to be emotional, 

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but I am a very. 
Emotional. 

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Person and I cry during every 
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so. 
Take a moment, take a moment. 

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I'm going to do my best to try 
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That's kind of how I operate 
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around. 
Already just my suggestion. 

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Mere suggestion. 
I can laugh just that fast. 

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OK, good. 
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that, do you look at spirit from
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or, you know, in terms of what, 
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Yes, OK, You asked me a very 
important pre question the other

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day when we were talking before 
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You asked me a very important 
pre question and then you told 

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me to stop talking because you 
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spill all my good stuff and it 
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Be ready for you, I want you to 
save it for the show. 

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I know. 
OK, so I didn't have to save it 

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because it is literally 
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It is a part of me. 
I participate in my own healing.

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I believe that all human beings 
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I believe in Jesus Christ. 
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just going to just read this to 
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I'm just going to read what I 
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Gary, I cared enough to make 
some notes. 

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I never make notes. 
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But I want you. 
I want you to hear this. 

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Let's hear it. 
I choose to participate. 

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In my own healing I am totally 
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of who I am at my core in my 
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Good is my mission and God is my
champion. 

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And all faith is essentially 
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We believe in Jesus Christ. 
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this planet believe in a higher 
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They believe in cosmic 
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They believe that there is a 
divine creator. 

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Most people on this planet have 
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Even if your belief system is 
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that is still a belief system. 
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mind and powers the soul. 
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beings is love. 
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we get there, when we understand
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realization of Oneness, that we 
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are all beloved and that we are 
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In in a special way, in each one
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our even when our cells split 
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there's still something that is 
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loving each other and being a 
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And that's what's happening now.
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that with my diagnosis 15 months
ago and all the upheaval around 

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the farm and everything that's 
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that it would be me getting a 
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congeal and coalesce an entire 
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very eclectic individuals in the
paranormal world? 

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I mean, John, you've got to 
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Some of us believe in the Celts 
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this, and some of us believe in 
the witches and some of us 

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believe in the, you know, and 
we're all, but we're all 

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involved in spirit. 
We are completely, utterly, 

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totally surrounded by spirit at 
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And I learned that as a very 
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And then here's the delve. 
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I needed to know. 
I needed to understand what was 

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happening and what we were 
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And because I was a very 
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intellectually advanced from my 
age, I started reading Ralph 

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Waldo Emerson. 
Henry. 

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David Thoreau, Walt Whitman, 
Nathaniel Hawthorne, all of the 

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metaphysicians. 
I wanted to read what they had 

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to say. 
What is this? 

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What is the House of Seven 
Gables? 

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What is going on in that house 
that draws people from all over 

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the world to feel the energy of 
that house? 

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That is exactly the same thing 
that's happening at the farm. 

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The farm is. 
Alive with death, the farm is. 

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Alive with spirits. 
The farm is absolutely alive 

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with the power and the glory, 
and some of them are cranky sons

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of bitches, and some of them are
just as helpful and benevolent 

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and kind and good as they could 
be. 

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I take, for example, Missus John
Arnold, who her name is Abigail.

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She and her husband John are the
caretakers of that house. 

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They know all the spirits and 
they know that things were led 

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into that house in the last year
that should never have been 

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allowed into that house. 
And it is time to get John 

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Zappos's ass up there and clear 
that house. 

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All he's got to do is drive for 
a couple of hours from 

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Connecticut and he can be at the
farm and he can clear the house.

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And we are going to, we're going
to move mountains. 

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We are moving mountains. 
We are this coalescence that is 

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happening, this momentum, this 
this motivation that is 

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happening to save the farm, not 
just for its historical 

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integrity. 
I mean, as an original colonial 

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home, it is one of the most 
outstanding pieces of 

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architecture that's even left in
the United States. 

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And it needs to be preserved and
protected and defended and 

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rescued and salvage and 
repaired. 

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And all of that needs to happen.
And I'm telling everybody, 

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please, if you care at all about
this magnificent edifice, 5 

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bucks. 5 bucks to a GoFundMe 
page. 

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We've already raised close to 
$200,000. 

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We're going to we're going to 
we're going to put that link up 

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there for you, Annie, for sure. 
And and I want to get into this.

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You know, I was going to get 
into this in a bit, but since 

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you're, since we're talking 
about it, you know, a lot of 

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dark stuff happened in that 
house too. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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So a lot of good stuff happened 
too. 

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It wasn't all doom and gloom. 
It was darkness and it was 

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light. 
And the title of your book. 

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And yes, I don't give a fuck. 
But look, from my perspective 

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though, is it, do you feel? 
Because here's the thing, like, 

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I know a lot of rodeo clowns and
a lot of great a assholes I'd 

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love to give that house to, 
right. 

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You know what I mean? 
And I'm just sort of sometimes, 

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like when I hear you talk about 
it, it's almost like, and I hate

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to say it, but like, you know, a
little Stockholm syndrome or a 

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battered wife syndrome where 
it's like, yeah, he slapped me 

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around, but the flowers really 
brighten up the room that he 

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bought me afterwards. 
Yeah. 

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And it's like, yeah, there's no 
shortage of assholes in the 

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world, But and, and, and we've 
had no, I mean like no shortage.

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Honest to God I could point them
out just walking in front of 

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this house. 
So why do you want to save the 

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house? 
Like, you know what I mean? 

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Like your connection to this 
house? 

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I mean, I know there's good 
stuff in it, but the you know 

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what I'm do you see what I'm 
saying? 

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It's. 
Like, no, I do no Gary 

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understand this. 
I was 12 years old. 

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I just turned 67 years old. 
I've had time to think about 

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this, to process this to to 
purge whatever needed to be 

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purged. 
I've had time to heal and to 

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know that what my mother went 
through in that house and what 

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my sister Cindy went through and
what my sister Christine went 

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through and what my Sister Nancy
went through and what my sister 

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April went through was nothing 
in comparison. 

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What I went through is nothing 
in comparison to what they did. 

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I had, for lack of a better 
word, a a multi dimensional 

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relationship with the spirits. 
I know that sounds bizarre. 

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I am not sitting on your show 
trying to no it. 

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Doesn't no, it doesn't. 
I so I I speak about this all 

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the time, inter dimensional 
stuff with my documentation. 

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So please speak your mind and 
speak your truth. 

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What? 
We'd love to hear it. 

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Well, I'll tell you this is 
there's been faith. 

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All right, I'm going to quote 
Kahil Gibran. 

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Faith is a knowledge within the 
heart beyond. 

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Reach of proof. 
There is no proof, and we've got

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evidence of the yin Yang. 
Oh my God. 

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I mean, thousands of hours of 
evidence that has been collected

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in that house and years and 
years and years of people 

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getting Evps that are like class
AEVPS and all kinds of stuff 

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coming back through computers 
and the echo box and the spirit 

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box and the this box and the 
that box. 

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I don't need a box. 
I am the box. 

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They just come to me and they 
talk to me and they interact 

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with me. 
And whenever I walk in that 

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house, it doesn't matter what 
group of people is in that 

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house. 
Every one of their dinky little 

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light shiny devices light up 
like Christmas trees as soon as 

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I walk in the house and I greet 
the spirits and they hear my 

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voice. 
I do tours of that house with 

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groups or I used to over the 
phone and all they had to do was

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put it on speakerphone and all I
had to do was greet my spirits 

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and the whole entire house would
come alive and everybody's ooing

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and eyeing and and crying and 
clapping and unbelievable 

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emotional response to being 
actually present with spirit and

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allowing them to allow us to 
interact with them. 

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They are real. 
Spirit is real, Spirit is true 

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and anybody that is touched by 
it, you cannot be untouched. 

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Once you have been touched by 
spirit, that is a permanent 

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condition. 
There's no fixing it. 

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There's no going back. 
You can turn your back on it on 

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that open door, but eventually 
something is going to come 

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through and tap you on the 
shoulder and say I'm right here 

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and I've been here all along and
I. 

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Think we, we, we, we agree with 
you for sure. 

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We're not, we're not debunkers 
here. 

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We're we're on the believe first
sort of place. 

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Well, good, because belief first
is the best way to go. 

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Because you know what Gary, we, 
it's all we've got. 

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All we've got is hope. 
That's all we've got. 

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And, and for us to be able to be
in a position now 

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technologically, but also 
spiritually, to be able to 

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determine what, what spirit is 
active around us. 

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To be able to feel the presence 
of my mother after she passed 

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away last year, to know that she
is right here with me. 

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To know that my sister is right 
here with me. 

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To know that they gave Christmas
gifts to the dogs. 

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They gave Christmas gifts to the
dogs. 

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That were under the tree. 
We don't know where they came 

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from. 
Two years ago, before my mother 

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passed away, April brought 
Christmas gifts to her dog and 

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put them under our Christmas 
tree. 

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They were not there when we left
for the family gathering. 

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They were there when we came 
home and no one was in this 

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house except April. 
You know, this is when I tell 

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you the power that they possess 
to be able to manipulate 

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objects, to be able to literally
work in outside of 3D, outside 

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of 4D, even maybe into 5D and 
beyond. 

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We live in a multi dimensional 
universe. 

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We only think that we live in 
our little 3D shell. 

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OK, We have to Peck our way out 
of that and find our way to the 

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truth, and the truth will set. 
I want to ask you because you 

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know, you talked about it took 
you years to process and based 

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on what you just said, you know 
this, you know, the, the, the 

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multidimensional self, when did 
that conclusion come to you that

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that was not a 12 year old 
within 5 minutes saying we're 

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living in multiple dimensions? 
So when did you? 

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No, I was about 15 and I was 
reading Emerson. 

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I was reading the his essay 
circles and it made sense to me.

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It resonated with me and on 
Hawthorne resonated with me too.

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So you'd. 
Already been living in the house

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for three years. 
You start reading, you're a 

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teenager, you start reading 
these books on right and with 

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the metaphysical and and that 
sort of puts you in this space 

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to sort of really take a grasp 
on on this outlook on life. 

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And did any of that, has that 
evolved or changed at all that 

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worldview versus metaphysical 
versus spirituality as as you've

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progressed and learned more 
about yourself in the house? 

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Well, keep in mind that I was 
thrown out of the Catholic 

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Church for asking too many 
provocative questions. 

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That's fine by us. 
Yeah, completely fine. 

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Both John and I went to Catholic
school and we are totally like 

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anti Catholic Church, the 
church, you know? 

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Well I love Pope Leo, I'm 
totally cool with Pope Leo, I'm 

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all down with Pope Leo, but I am
never going to a self identify 

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as any specific religion. 
I mean I come from an ancient 

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sect. 
My mother, my father, is pure 

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French from the Alsace Lorraine 
area. 

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Their family emigrated to Canada
in 1518 and then came down into 

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New England. 
My mother is Scottish and 

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Cherokee Indian. 
She was Welsh and Irish and 

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English and a real Heinz 57 mix.
But she was also part of of the 

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pact. 
She went back to her lineage 

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when we did. 
Her ancestry went back to the 

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Vikings. 
So my mother was a one of when 

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she was alive, was one of nine 
women left on Earth that had the

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mitochondrial DNA of a Viking 
queen. 

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Wow. 
So I come from good stock. 

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Sure. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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So that defined, that's sort of 
what you walked in with, that 

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sort of belief system. 
And then it slowly changed as a 

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teenager and then afterwards, 
surreal. 

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Did you ever look back and say, 
I thought this was this then? 

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But now that I've, can you give 
us a specific example of what 

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you thought it was then and when
you were living through it 

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versus how you look at that 
spirit or entity now and what 

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you think it really was or is? 
Our first Easter in the house 

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Our first Easter in the house. 
We all went to our new parish, 

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which was Saint Patrick's in 
Harrisville, and we had been in 

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the house for several months. 
Everybody knew what was 

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happening except my father, who 
was king of denial, who's like, 

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no, no, no, it's all your, you 
know, I mean, all you hysterical

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females. 
They're like, fuck that noise, 

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you know, there was nothing 
hysterical about any of us. 

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And he didn't believe us because
he was scared shitless. 

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And that's the fact. 
And you know what? 

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He's just going to have to deal 
with that and live with that. 

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He's 90 years old. 
I think he's come to terms with 

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the fact that he was scared 
shitless, that he had moved his 

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entire family into a house that 
he had absolutely 0 control 

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over. 
So we all go to church on Easter

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Sunday and my sister, we filled 
our own Pew because there were 

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seven of us. 
And at the very end of mass, the

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priest said, and the Father and 
the Son and the Holy Ghost and 

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April turned and looked at my 
mother and at the top of her, 

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her little girl voice, she was 
only 6 years old. 

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And at the top of her voice she 
said, see mommy, God's got 

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ghosts just like we do. 
And every head in that church 

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turned. 
And the priest followed my 

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father out with our family. 
And he said, Mr. Perrin, I would

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appreciate it if you would take 
your family and worship 

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elsewhere. 
And that's what the Catholic, 

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Catholic, their rituals and 
their seances and their 

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expulsions and their exorcisms, 
that he was as scared as anybody

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else. 
He didn't want to lose his 

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flock. 
He didn't want the weird family 

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that had just moved in coming 
into his church. 

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And my mother and my father got 
in the car. 

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And my father was livid, 
furious. 

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My father had been born and 
raised in the Catholic 

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tradition. 
He attended parochial school. 

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He was an altar boy for most of 
his youth. 

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He joined the Navy right out of 
high school. 

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And then he met my mother and 
married her, and he was going to

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come back after the Navy and go 
into the seminary to become a 

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priest. 
That is how serious my father 

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was about his Roman Catholic 
upbringing and to be shunned and

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discarded as though we had 
absolutely no value at all in 

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that parish as a new family 
moving into the town. 

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He got in the car. 
I could see I was sitting in the

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backseat and I could see his, I 
mean, he was just grinding his 

451
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,520
teeth. 
And my mother turned and she 

452
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,080
looked over into the back seat 
and she said, girls, if you want

453
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,000
to know God. 
Go to the woods, go to the 

454
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,840
woods. 
And we did. 

455
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200
So if we are pagans, then we are
pagans. 

456
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,160
But we went to the woods, and 
there I found God. 

457
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,680
So I was actually going to ask a
question about that. 

458
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,080
There's always so much talk 
about the farm, but there's so 

459
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080
much woods on the property and I
didn't. 

460
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,200
And when I was, you know, just 
doing some deep dives, I never 

461
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,280
heard much about it. 
And now you're speaking. 

462
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,920
About the woods I would. 
Love to hear about the woods if 

463
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,320
you would like to share just a 
little bit. 

464
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,800
April had an experience in the 
woods that I think is the most 

465
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,520
compelling. 
I think it's in volume. 

466
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,440
No, Nancy too. 
Nancy had a very compelling 

467
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,160
experience in the woods. 
But April went down into, we had

468
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,360
200 acres and she was about 10 
years old and she went down into

469
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Pine Forest Grove that we had 
back on the acreage and she saw 

470
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,360
children. 
She saw at least ten children 

471
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,200
and it was right across. 
It was like a half a mile away, 

472
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,120
not even a half a mile away from
the Nipmuc River, which flooded 

473
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720
occasionally, like really badly 
flooded. 

474
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,920
And so she was walking through 
the pine forest and she could 

475
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,400
see little children dressed as 
Indians. 

476
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,960
She said they had the moccasins 
and they had the little, they 

477
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,880
had the little coats and they 
were and it was springtime and 

478
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,840
they were stepping over lady 
slippers that were in the pine 

479
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,480
forest and they all died 
together in a flood 200 years 

480
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:46,600
before all those children were 
swept away by a flash flood. 

481
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,400
You're not making me want to 
keep this house. 

482
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,280
You're not making me want to 
keep this house. 

483
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Andy, I'm telling you right now,
I don't know what we're talking.

484
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,400
About Oh, but it's brilliant, 
Gary, it's brilliant. 

485
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,080
Can you imagine? 
They were in real time. 

486
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,840
They were in real time in enough
pine forest that did not exist 

487
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240
when they lived. 
It was not there. 

488
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
What is going? 
What do you think after all 

489
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,920
these years? 
What do you? 

490
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,520
What is it about the place 
versus the spirit? 

491
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Is it? 
Is it? 

492
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,160
Is it a place? 
Is it a time? 

493
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Is it a spirit? 
What is the connection? 

494
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,880
Why there? 
What do you think it is? 

495
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680
What's going on? 
I think that it's a portal or a 

496
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,520
vortex of some kind. 
I think that there are 

497
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,880
extraterrestrials that are 
definitely involved and that 

498
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
might make some of your 
listeners head spin right off. 

499
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
But I am very tight with our 
galactic family. 

500
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960
We are not alone in the universe
and that is just a fact. 

501
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160
And nobody has to believe me. 
I don't care who I don't. 

502
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,040
I really don't give a shit who 
believes me. 

503
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400
No, that's right. 
I want to know about your. 

504
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Connection listen, as I stated 
before, the viewers that are 

505
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
going to listen to this I 
document interdimensional 

506
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,560
entities all the time all the 
time, all the time. 

507
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,840
So you. 
You do have, yes. 

508
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Your reputation precedes you for
that, John. 

509
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,320
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

510
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,440
What is so how? 
How do you connect 

511
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,880
extraterrestrials to spirits? 
I think that everything is the 

512
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760
same thing. 
I think that everything is 

513
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880
energy. 
I think that if anybody wants to

514
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,200
know what's really going on, 
that they need to read Einstein 

515
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,840
and they need to read Tesla, 
because these were two of the 

516
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,560
greatest scientific minds of 
this or any generation. 

517
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,160
And both of them were deeply 
faithful people. 

518
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,640
And Einstein came to it later in
life, but he understood that MC 

519
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,120
squared E equals MC squared is 
divine and he understands that. 

520
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,160
And it's just the titular point 
of us understanding our 

521
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,560
universe. 
But we live in a multi 

522
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,200
dimensional universe, which is 
why in the 1940s when we started

523
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,840
exploding atomic and hydrogen 
bombs on this planet, they came.

524
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040
If they could get here, they 
came. 

525
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000
And the reason that they came 
was because not only were we 

526
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,960
destroying our own planet, we 
were also doing damage elsewhere

527
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040
in the universe. 
And that is why we have had the 

528
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,080
influx of technology and we have
had the influx of sightings and 

529
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,000
we have had the influx, although
you do not hear of visitations 

530
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,720
or abductions very much anymore.
And there's a reason for that 

531
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,080
because the Federation called an
end to it. 

532
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680
That just has to stop. 
They have to understand that 

533
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,640
even if they're just partially 
humanoid and partially AI, that 

534
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
we have feelings and do. 
You believe in? 

535
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,480
Do you believe in past life 
aggression? 

536
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,720
I don't know. 
I've never had it done and I 

537
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,960
don't think that I've been here 
before. 

538
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,800
And I had a very, very famous, 
world famous hypnotist that 

539
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,640
literally threw a check back at 
me and said I can't hypnotize 

540
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,840
you. 
You're not from here. 

541
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,400
Get out of my office. 
Well, it's that's. 

542
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,360
That's awesome by the way. 
I find that. 

543
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Well I cried. 
I went to the God damn parking 

544
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,520
deck at the building and sat 
there and cried for 1/2 an hour 

545
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600
because I didn't under. 
I was only in my 20s and I 

546
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,840
didn't understand what he was 
saying to me. 

547
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Well, the one thing I so I I did
a an interview with a QHHT 

548
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,360
therapist, right? 
Quantum hypnosis, healing 

549
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,600
therapy and past life regression
and the past life. 

550
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600
What I've come to learn about 
it, what many of them believe 

551
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,040
in, is that it is not. 
It's saying past the life is a 

552
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,200
misnomer. 
It's more of a Everything 

553
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Everywhere all at once. 
Thank you very much. 

554
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
I now am am madly in love with 
you. 

555
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,160
I'm madly in love with you. 
Luckily you are on the other 

556
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,000
side of the country and you 
can't deal with this crazy woman

557
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,120
person to person. 
But that is exactly right. 

558
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,840
You are exactly right. 
What you're talking about with 

559
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,720
energy and dimensions and other,
you know, and there's a, there's

560
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,000
aliens and, you know, 
extraterrestrials rather I 

561
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,680
should say. 
And the connection between that 

562
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
energy is all something that 
they believe in wholeheartedly 

563
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,800
because it's less about what you
were before, but it's what that 

564
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,040
timeline of you is. 
That's right. 

565
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,040
And it's what you are becoming. 
It is what you are becoming. 

566
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,320
We are in a rapid evolution of 
human consciousness. 

567
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,480
We are in that right now, and I 
call it the paradigm shift. 

568
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,960
And it's very simple to explain.
The paradigm shift is what 

569
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,040
happens when everything changes 
and nothing is ever the same 

570
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,920
again and we have a complete new
open opportunity to examine our 

571
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520
universe in a completely 
different way. 

572
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,000
I wrote I wrote a little piece, 
a treatise as part of one of my 

573
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,120
books a few years ago and it's 
called The Chicken and the Egg 

574
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,920
and One night. 
Excuse me, just a second. 

575
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,240
I don't know what came first. 
If you're about to ask you what 

576
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,840
came first, please don't. 
I don't. 

577
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Have no I have your answer for 
you all. 

578
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Right, let's hear it. 
I went outside while I was 

579
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,080
working on a screenplay 
actually. 

580
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,199
And, and I used to get pushed 
around quite a bit in the middle

581
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,600
of the night. 
I still do. 

582
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,560
I'm usually out at about 3:00 in
the morning every morning 

583
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,440
talking to my galactic family 
and the skylights up and they 

584
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920
are beautiful and nobody's 
around to see. 

585
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,280
And so it's very, very personal.
And I bring the dogs because the

586
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,760
dogs are not afraid of them 
except up close. 

587
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,360
They don't like the, the 
distance is fine, but not up 

588
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,600
close. 
But I went outside because I got

589
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,960
pushed in my bed. 
I had already closed down the 

590
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,239
computer and I went to bed and 
it was about 3:00 in the morning

591
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,440
and I got pushed while I was in 
bed. 

592
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,199
Well, I was in Florida and it 
was winter, which meant that I 

593
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,280
had to put slippers and a robe 
on to go outside. 

594
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,040
And I didn't want to go outside.
And I said, no, not tonight, 

595
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,520
leave me alone. 
Nope. 

596
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,800
I got pushed again. 
I got up, I put my robe, I put 

597
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,160
my slippers on. 
I went out into our expansive 

598
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,040
driveway and I looked up at the 
sky and I said, what is it? 

599
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,320
I was aggravated. 
I was tired, I was depleted, and

600
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760
I just wanted to go to bed. 
What is it? 

601
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,000
And instead of seeing a flash in
the sky or seeing an arc of 

602
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,360
golden light or a green streak 
that literally traced the 

603
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,920
circular circumference of the 
world, because sometimes they're

604
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,480
far enough out that when they're
flying that fast, you can 

605
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,840
literally see the arc of the 
world. 

606
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,840
I didn't see that that night, 
Gary. 

607
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,880
What I saw was a flash of light 
that was so bright that it 

608
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,280
almost knocked me back in the 
driveway. 

609
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,360
And in that split second. 
I was 12 years old again. 

610
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,040
I was 12 years old and we had 
just gone to the chicken farm. 

611
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,960
And because my parents wanted to
be gentlemen and and gentlelady 

612
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,680
farmers and they wanted their 
kids to have good fresh eggs. 

613
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,400
And so they took us across the 
border to Connecticut to a 

614
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,200
chicken. 
Farm. 

615
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,000
And there were all the chickens 
and there were the farmer, the 

616
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,720
farmer and his wife and the the 
farmer's wife took my mother and

617
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,760
all five of us into the, I think
they call it the Candler shop, 

618
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,920
where they've got all the little
eggs set up in incubators. 

619
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,080
And my father was talking to the
farmer and, and when we went in 

620
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000
there, one of the eggs started 
to move. 

621
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,240
And I got so excited. 
I was just a little kid and I 

622
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,520
got so excited and I wanted to 
hold the baby chicken so bad. 

623
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000
And I reached over and I put my 
hand on that egg and I started 

624
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,720
to crack the shell. 
And my mother pulled my hand 

625
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,640
back and she said, no honey, if 
you crack the shell, the baby 

626
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,160
will die. 
I was mortified. 

627
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Mortified. 
And what she was trying to tell 

628
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,480
me was the amount of energy that
it took for that chicken to Peck

629
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,240
its way out of its own 
encasement, out of its own egg, 

630
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,400
was exactly equivalent to the 
amount of energy that and 

631
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,280
stamina that would require to 
live outside the egg. 

632
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,480
And so all of a sudden, the 
chicken and the egg took on 

633
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,040
completely new meaning for me. 
And I understood that the reason

634
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,640
why I never had that memory 
again was because I learned my 

635
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,880
lesson that day as a 12 year 
old. 

636
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,280
Do not crack the egg. 
If the egg does not crack from 

637
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,880
the inside out, the chicken will
perish. 

638
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,480
And that is true of us. 
It is true of every single one 

639
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,160
of us. 
We have to find our way through 

640
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,800
our own spiritual evolution. 
And it is not. 

641
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,200
It's not vertical, it's not 
horizontal. 

642
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,760
It's all over the place and it's
every single one of us. 

643
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,680
Every day is confronted with 
1000 different things that we 

644
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,360
need to make a decision about. 
And how do we want to live? 

645
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,040
And every morning when we wake 
up, we wake up to a new day. 

646
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,280
And every morning we decide 
whether consciously or 

647
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,640
subconsciously, how do we want 
this day to be. 

648
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,720
And I choose to live in the 
light, and nothing dark can 

649
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,760
touch me, not even cancer. 
I'm feeling a little guilty 

650
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,600
about eating scrambled eggs this
morning, I'll tell you that. 

651
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,480
After Well, you should because 
you know what? 

652
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,160
I had them yesterday morning and
I felt guilty too. 

653
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
But I have to eat something 
because I've lost so much 

654
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,240
frigging weight so fast. 
I got to tell you, your energy 

655
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,280
is top shelf. 
I can't. 

656
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,680
I mean, if you didn't tell, if 
you didn't tell us you were 

657
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,440
battling cancer right now, I 
would never have. 

658
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,800
I would never. 
Guess it I would have. 

659
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Never truthfully. 
Because I'm not putting up with 

660
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,200
this bullshit. 
OK, now that I know, I mean, you

661
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,160
started this show with a fuck. 
OK, so so I'm going to tell you 

662
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,320
my daily mantra. 
My daily mantra is get the fuck 

663
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,240
out of my big fat fluffy temple.
Now you rotten son of a bitch, 

664
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,640
go back and live with your 
father the devil. 

665
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,240
Amen. 
That is my mantra. 

666
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,080
That's intent. 
That is intent. 

667
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560
That is intent. 
I speak of intent all the time. 

668
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,400
That is intent, and it's strong.
Andy, how do you Andy, how do 

669
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,960
you tell people or do people 
come to you and ask you like, 

670
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,880
what do I do with this ghost in 
my house or what do I do with 

671
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,280
this? 
What? 

672
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,640
How do you? 
I thought you were about to ask 

673
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,720
her how does she like her 
scramble eggs? 

674
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,920
No, no. 
Sauce with cheese sauce. 

675
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,040
I love it with cheese. 
Little corn. 

676
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,640
Peas. 
Yeah, with the corned beef, a 

677
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,640
little hash. 
Beef. 

678
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Oh yeah. 
Corned beef? 

679
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,360
Never. 
We're going to have to chow 

680
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:46,920
down. 
I'm. 

681
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Telling we're going to have to 
definitely. 

682
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Gary, I don't know. 
I don't know if he can handle it

683
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,720
or not. 
I'm a kid. 

684
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,760
No, I'm not a corned beef 
either. 

685
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Not a chance. 
Not for me. 

686
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,040
Certain things I won't touch. 
I can go through the rest of my 

687
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
life without ever having it. 
But it's when you have such a 

688
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,400
strong outlook on it. 
But not everybody is. 

689
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,200
I'm gonna say there's no, not 
everybody's as strong as you 

690
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,280
are, I'll tell you that right 
now. 

691
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,880
We've even some of the people 
we've met and dealt with. 

692
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,920
So what is the? 
How do you, what kind of advice 

693
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,640
do you give? 
People want to identify with 

694
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,280
what they're dealing with, how 
to process what they're dealing 

695
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,800
with and how to live with or 
leave that situation. 

696
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,280
All right, I'm going to say 
something now that is going to 

697
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,680
be difficult to hear. 
A lot of these people have 

698
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,240
mental illness issues. 
A lot of people, I say it all 

699
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,400
the time. 
I say it all the time. 

700
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,720
Yeah, I mean, when I I do not do
home investigations, I've never 

701
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,760
done investigations. 
Why would I need to investigate 

702
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,360
Jack shit? 
You know, I'm going and looking 

703
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,160
for something I already know 
exists. 

704
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,920
That's ridiculous. 
But I know a lot of people that 

705
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,680
do home investigations and they 
will walk into a House of 

706
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,040
squalor and screaming babies and
dirty diapers and dishes in the 

707
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,040
sink and pets that have not been
cared for. 

708
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,240
And then they walk in and they 
say, you know, what can we do to

709
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,320
help you? 
And the woman says, I have a 

710
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
demon in my house. 
She's the demon. 

711
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,600
She's the demon. 
I don't believe in demons. 

712
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,840
I've never seen a demon. 
I don't know what a demon is. 

713
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
I know that there is evil in the
world. 

714
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,960
All you have to do is turn the 
news on and on any given night 

715
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
and you can watch all the evil 
that you could possibly want to 

716
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,400
say. 
The proof is, you know, I mean, 

717
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,240
good and evil exist in this 
world, and that's just how it 

718
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,520
is. 
But she is the one that's 

719
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,200
attached. 
She is the one that's 

720
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,080
struggling. 
She is the one that is scared. 

721
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,400
Excuse me. 
I'm so sorry my. 

722
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,720
Throat take your. 
Time orange juice. 

723
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Go. 
It's the good stuff. 

724
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,960
It's vodka. 
OK. 

725
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,200
And and this happens sadly much 
more than you might think that 

726
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,320
it does. 
But there are actual cases of 

727
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,480
infestation and there are actual
cases where I believe that an 

728
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,880
exorcist is a necessary fixture 
in the placement of it and and 

729
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Lorraine Warren dealt with some 
of that themselves. 

730
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,000
And I have had some personal 
experience with it as well. 

731
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,120
Not for me personally, but from 
a very, very close friend of 

732
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,840
mine who was invited to assist 
on an exorcism. 

733
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:40,200
And the the woman in the room 
earned him and told him things 

734
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,360
about his childhood that she 
could not possibly have known. 

735
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,400
And he was completely and 
totally freaked out and he had 

736
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
to leave the exorcism and he had
to leave the house. 

737
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,920
And he's never looked back. 
It feels, let me ask you this, 

738
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,800
because when I hear about 
exorcisms in that sense, which 

739
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,000
is a very religious ceremony. 
Yeah, it is. 

740
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,840
Is it a bit performative? 
Is it more just a way to show? 

741
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Yeah, it is right. 
It is OK. 

742
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
And that's very unfortunate. 
You know, there was number 

743
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,480
exorcism in our house. 
My mother was not. 

744
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,760
My mother was not possessed. 
My mother was attacked by 

745
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,400
something that Lorraine Warren's
spiritual medium invited into 

746
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,160
the house during a seance that 
my father did not want to 

747
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,960
happen. 
And within 5 minutes, Gary, I am

748
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320
telling you, I'm looking 
directly into your eyes. 

749
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,320
I am telling you within 5 
minutes, my mother was 

750
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,320
levitating in a chair and was 
tossed 20 feet from the middle 

751
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,600
of our dining room into the 
middle of our parlor. 

752
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,720
And when her head struck the 
floor that night, I blamed the 

753
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,760
warrants. 
And when when hers head struck 

754
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,000
the floor that night, everyone 
that was present in that house 

755
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
thought they had just watched my
mother die. 

756
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
So I know about childhood 
trauma. 

757
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,360
And that was of everything that 
I have ever had to deal with in 

758
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,880
my entire life, that was the 
worst moment of my life. 

759
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Watching my mother fly was the 
worst moment of my life. 

760
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,680
And she was out of it. 
She was completely like, like 

761
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,520
not comatose, but catatonic. 
She never knew I right till the 

762
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,040
day she died. 
She never had any memory of that

763
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960
night. 
But everybody else that was 

764
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,680
present in that house that 
night, including Ed Warren, that

765
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,800
took a punch right directly in 
the face from my father because 

766
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,880
he tried to stop my father from 
going to my mother. 

767
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,960
And that was a big mistake. 
I mean, that was a big mistake. 

768
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
Like Marie Antoinette saying let
them eat cake. 

769
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000
That could be cake, except that 
she made a bigger mistake. 

770
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,880
And what she said after that was
that cost her her head was never

771
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,120
party with peasants. 
Party with the fucking peasants.

772
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,520
OK, Party with the peasants. 
You want to party? 

773
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,440
Party with the peasants. 
Poverty made her uncomfortable. 

774
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Poverty made her uncomfortable. 
I got it. 

775
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,320
Yeah, I guess it did. 
I'm sure. 

776
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,920
But you know, just as an aside, 
because, you know, you know, my 

777
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,360
mother always said that I was 
the queen of high strangeness. 

778
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,120
And she always said that I row 
with one oar in the river of 

779
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,040
consciousness and go in circles 
and circles and circles. 

780
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,760
But you know what? 
Here's the thing about the River

781
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,720
of consciousness, the river of 
life. 

782
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,720
When we're little kids and we 
see this incredible body of 

783
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,480
water spread out in front of us,
our life ahead of us, we're 

784
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,960
excited and we might actually 
toe dabble and we might go sit 

785
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,160
on the on the Bank of the shore 
and let the water run over our 

786
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,880
toes. 
But it's scary because it's so 

787
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,760
fast and it's so powerful. 
And then we get older and we get

788
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,600
older, and then we get older, 
and then we start to crave 

789
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,720
jumping into that life body of 
water. 

790
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,000
And then we think that what we 
want is up around the corner, 

791
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,960
around the bend, and we can't 
see it, but we jump into this 

792
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,120
raging body of water and we 
start swimming against the 

793
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,840
current because we think what we
want is someplace that we can't 

794
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,080
see it when it's right in front 
of us. 

795
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,200
And when your lungs are on fire 
and your arms are burning and 

796
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,560
you have got nothing left, 
nothing left to expend, flip 

797
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,240
over. 
And float. 

798
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:32,440
The universe knows the way. 
I mean, grace, that is a that's 

799
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,640
a wildly powerful way to think 
about how to just get through 

800
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,560
any tough time. 
Flip over and float, baby. 

801
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,000
People pay, people panic. 
Roll with it. 

802
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,000
Roll with. 
It and then they. 

803
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Drown. 
They drown in their own despair 

804
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,040
and they drown in their own 
struggling, and they drown 

805
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,400
looking for faith that was right
there with them all along. 

806
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,120
But is that, is that an advice 
tip for someone who might be 

807
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,200
going through a similar 
experience, experience of what 

808
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,240
you were going through? 
It's like, look, get on your 

809
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,120
back and roll with these these 
things around you. 

810
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,560
I have had, I have been through 
this last eight days, I have had

811
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:19,720
three PET scans, 3 MRI's, 
infusions, building a mask for 

812
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,200
radiation for the five tumors 
that they have discovered in my 

813
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,800
brain and it has absolutely 
nothing. 

814
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,360
I'm sure that you can tell from 
my conversation with you that 5 

815
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,320
little tumors in my brain, a 
couple of lesions and a couple 

816
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,240
of little tumors are not in any 
way impacting me negatively. 

817
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:42,800
I am not putting up with this. 
Get out of my fluffy temple now.

818
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,400
Now, do you? 
Do you feel that there is a 

819
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,720
possibility that what you're 
experiencing now is due to your 

820
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:57,920
exposure to these 
interdimensional energies and 

821
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
powers? 
No, no, no. 

822
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,960
I think that I'm supposed to 
have this cancer so that I can 

823
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,360
heal from this cancer, so that I
can write a book and tell other 

824
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,040
people how to heal from cancer. 
I think that that's exactly 

825
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,200
what's happening in that it's 
part of my mission. 

826
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,160
It's part of my journey and I 
embrace it. 

827
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,760
I embrace it not as a perversion
because of this cancer. 

828
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
We're going to get the farmhouse
back and we're going to save 

829
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,800
that farmhouse because people 
care so much about me and I am 

830
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,880
so deeply grateful and I am so 
humbled. 

831
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:36,400
And, and the I, I can't even 
tell you the outreach for me 

832
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,400
for, for Jason Hawes to be able 
to fulfill my greatest wish, 

833
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,680
which would be my greatest 
legacy. 

834
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,120
It would be my greatest legacy 
to be any part of a pivotal part

835
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,400
of of changing the outcome in 
the history of this House and 

836
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,720
giving the. 
Future well, I think your, I 

837
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,440
think your positivity. 
Yeah. 

838
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Towards what's your affliction 
right now is amazing and there I

839
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,800
think so many people are hearing
your words about that subject. 

840
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,240
You probably do a lot of good 
helping a lot of people, so 

841
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,240
that's awesome. 
Your attitude is incredible. 

842
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,880
I mean, I mean, even the 
attitude towards this haunted 

843
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,160
this this haunted horror show of
the house is amazing to me. 

844
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,360
Like, first of all, I mean, I 
don't even know. 

845
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,760
That's like I said, if I bought 
the house, I'm burning it down. 

846
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,200
That's what's going to happen to
build a new. 

847
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,920
House. 
So therefore you're not allowed 

848
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,840
to buy the house. 
No, no, you don't want me to 

849
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,040
have it. 
Now I'll support, I'll support 

850
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,200
whoever. 
But So what do you want to see? 

851
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,160
What is the? 
Why do you want it to be bought 

852
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,880
and what do you want it to be in
10 years from now? 

853
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,080
It's bought by somebody you you 
respect. 

854
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080
They bought it. 
What is happening there? 

855
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,680
What is happening is that we are
making films and we are making 

856
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,120
documentaries and we are 
documenting evidence that is 

857
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,280
irrefutable evidence. 
And we are capturing and 

858
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,320
capturing and capturing more and
more and more. 

859
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,880
And what we are doing is we are 
letting people into the house to

860
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,200
feel the fire of this house, to 
feel the energy of this house, 

861
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,920
to feel the blessed, burning 
sacred Bush of this house. 

862
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Is there any fear, Is there 
anything in that house that's 

863
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,800
off limits that you wouldn't 
want people to go near or 

864
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,160
experience just even though what
you lived through and seen know 

865
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,120
what your mother went through? 
No, there should be No Fear. 

866
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,320
As soon as I walk in that house,
as soon as I'm associated with 

867
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,480
that house, everything is calm. 
Everybody steps forward. 

868
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Everybody has whatever they have
to say. 

869
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,800
You know, I've worked with Cody 
and Satori in the house. 

870
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,360
They are absolutely brilliant. 
They practice pneumonism, which 

871
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,200
is a very rare spiritual art, 
and they are brilliant at it. 

872
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,840
And I don't care what anybody 
ever has to say about Cody and 

873
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Satori. 
Cody and Satori are my children.

874
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,680
They are my adopted children. 
Thankfully, Jason Hawes is kind 

875
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,520
enough to share his daughter 
with me. 

876
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Cody's parents are totally fine 
if I just take them come, you 

877
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,440
know, take him completely off 
their hands and and you know, 

878
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,760
and these are my people and this
is my tribe. 

879
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,760
And Friday night when I do my 
show, I have a podcast called 

880
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,560
the World awakening on. 
Well, it's everywhere. 

881
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,320
It's just kind of everywhere 
KGRA radio, but it's a multi 

882
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,000
cast all over the world. 
And on Friday night I'm going to

883
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,560
have the entire team of 
caretakers from the farm and all

884
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,120
of our plans and everything that
we want to do. 

885
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,760
And I will be there and I will 
be taking my friends and I will 

886
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,280
find a way to get on a plane and
I will find a way to bring my 

887
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,560
agent with me so that if I need 
any help, I will have the 

888
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,880
assistance that I need. 
My Greta, my dear Greta Reefer, 

889
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,240
who's my agent and my dear, dear
friend. 

890
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,560
And, and I will go to the farm 
and, and we will welcome and 

891
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,840
embrace everybody because that's
the thing. 

892
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,200
This farm is for the community. 
This isn't Jason's farm. 

893
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,000
This isn't Cody and Satori's 
farm. 

894
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,720
It doesn't belong to anyone. 
It belongs to everyone. 

895
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,480
He just has to facilitate the 
sale. 

896
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,640
So we're talking about money. 
We can raise the money. 

897
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,880
The money's almost raised. 
We're doing. 

898
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,440
We'll be sure to put a link to 
this GoFundMe and the link tree 

899
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,440
in my bio and in this 
description of this and we 

900
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,240
dropped this episode for sure is
there when was there there had 

901
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,200
to be a point of absolutely no 
thank you. 

902
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,360
There's there must have. 
What was the point where you 

903
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,680
realize that even a spirit that 
might have appeared to be 

904
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,600
combative. 
Yeah, now, yeah. 

905
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:41,080
Is not, you know, when did that 
realization click and sort of 

906
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,920
the discovery of that and how 
you classified it? 

907
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,400
Well, my attitude about it was 
knock it off, you know, and I 

908
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,160
had a couple of incidents where 
like some smoky Gray stuff 

909
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,040
started seeping under my door. 
And I'm like, you know, I'm 

910
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,360
busy. 
I'm doing my homework now. 

911
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,920
You're going to have to come 
back another time. 

912
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
That's always just been my 
attitude with them. 

913
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,960
And then, you know, it just 
Smokey seeps away and just goes 

914
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,440
away. 
I mean, I had, I have an ongoing

915
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,840
relationship with the spirits at
the farm. 

916
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,720
I have always had that. 
I will always have that. 

917
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,120
There are members of my family 
that never, my mother never went

918
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,360
back after the day that we left 
that farm. 

919
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,560
She never went back. 
My sister Cindy will never go 

920
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,400
back. 
Christine will never go back. 

921
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Nancy would go back in a 
heartbeat. 

922
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,200
And April is still attached to 
our little Henry Richardson or 

923
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,840
Oliver. 
We don't know if his name was 

924
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,520
Henry or Oliver, but the little 
boy that she met at the farm 

925
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
that she befriended and oh, I 
have. 

926
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,200
I have animals walking, sorry. 
No, we're, we're all about 

927
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,800
especially cats here. 
So you're good. 

928
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,040
You're good. 
Sorry, yeah, I got it. 

929
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,800
I got the Kitty and two doggies,
but they're being good. 

930
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,520
I had to shut down everything so
that they get get get distracted

931
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,880
while I was doing my interview. 
No, it's all right. 

932
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,760
So you know your connection. 
Do you feel, do you feel that 

933
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,120
you have left some of your 
energy in that house? 

934
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,080
Yes. 
Oh my God, yes. 

935
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,720
But it's all positive. 
It's all positive. 

936
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,440
And they know that I love them. 
Even the cranky ones, you know, 

937
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,400
they had hard lives, Gary. 
I mean, these people didn't have

938
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,600
electricity, They didn't have 
running water, they didn't have 

939
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,440
heat unless they cut it down off
their. 

940
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,440
Listen, say no more. 
My idea of my idea of camping is

941
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,880
a Four Seasons where the TV's 
down. 

942
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,400
Yeah, I know. 
It's a total nervous breakdown. 

943
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,280
Oh my God, the cables down, you 
know, really, we have no idea. 

944
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,080
Princess. 
They faced Bathsheba Sherman. 

945
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,560
She lost all of her children 
except one before the age of 4. 

946
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,640
You know what that woman went 
through and they got blamed for?

947
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,880
She didn't do anything wrong. 
Bathsheba didn't do anything 

948
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,200
wrong. 
I know Bathsheba. 

949
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,200
She didn't do anything wrong. 
It was Missus Warren that 

950
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,520
decided to pin everything on her
and and then wrote it up in a 

951
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,680
case file that got made into a 
fictional film. 

952
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,760
You know, real story is so much 
more compelling and so deeply 

953
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,880
spiritual and so filled with 
empathy and compassion. 

954
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,600
You know, these spirits had hard
lives. 

955
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,640
And who knows? 
I mean, think about 200 years 

956
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,480
ago. 
Everybody's all freaked out 

957
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,960
about their religion now. 
OK, Now imagine 200 years ago 

958
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:41,280
when you have decided that it's 
the end of your life and you 

959
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,320
have climbed a ladder and hung 
yourself in the barn. 

960
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,000
OK now do you go to the light? 
Or is that light, fire and 

961
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,800
brimstone of hell everlasting 
because you dared to challenge 

962
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,480
God and take your life, which 
was the predominant belief 

963
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,440
system at the time, so suicide 
was considered the ultimate sin?

964
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,880
Or do you stay where you're 
comfortable? 

965
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,240
Do you stay where you are known,
where the other spirits are, 

966
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,160
where your family and your 
ancestors still are? 

967
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,680
Do you stay comfortably at home 
even though you are free, 

968
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,560
finally, from a body ravaged by 
wounds and pain and age? 

969
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,960
Do you stay home? 
Or do you go to the light? 

970
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,640
And what does that light mean? 
And it is. 

971
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,960
Is that the light of everlasting
salvation, or is it the light of

972
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,200
damnation? 
That's a great point. 

973
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,720
Perspective. 
Go and ask yourself that 

974
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,200
question. 
Right perspective is a great is 

975
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,080
a great. 
What would you? 

976
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,440
Piece of this that you don't 
ask. 

977
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,720
Would you say that, let's say 
you know people, you know people

978
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,480
believe in attachments and 
spirits following them and 

979
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,960
whatnot. 
Would you say if somebody walked

980
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,800
in there with the spirit that 
has never been on the farm, 

981
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,160
would you say that the that the 
farm would have a way of 

982
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,280
elevating or amplifying and. 
Welcoming and welcoming them. 

983
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,520
And I have two. 
Friends, this is a very 

984
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,360
important story and I know we're
running short on time, but this 

985
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,560
is. 
Please take your time and this. 

986
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,200
Take your time. 
I have as much time as you do if

987
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,920
you get tired. 
You've got time. 

988
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,880
Yeah, definitely. 
We've got. 

989
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,640
John, this will particularly 
appeal to you because of your 

990
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,480
research. 
I have two friends. 

991
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,480
One of them has passed away now,
but had two friends. 

992
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,400
One of them had a profound 
hearing loss and one of them was

993
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,120
blind. 
And when they went to the farm, 

994
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,000
their sensory perceptions were 
completely healed for the time 

995
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,000
that they were on that property.
And then when they left the 

996
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,080
property, the impairments 
returned. 

997
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,080
What is that? 
Wow. 

998
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,200
You know, and just I just want 
to point out this is the place 

999
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,240
that the media, you know, in 
Hollywood and everything has 

1000
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,920
turned into, you know, a horror,
a horror. 

1001
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,080
And here's this a beautiful 
story. 

1002
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,480
And that goes into another 
question I was going to ask you,

1003
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600
but you just answered it there. 
What a beautiful story of two 

1004
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,840
people with, you know, going, 
you know, go one's blind, one's 

1005
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,520
deaf and then all the sudden 
having the chance in the 

1006
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,360
experience to hear and see. 
I mean, I that is just amazing. 

1007
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,280
That's that's amazing. 
So, So what do you think that 

1008
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,280
is? 
Why do you think you think it 

1009
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,480
was the spirits there allowing 
them to see and hear? 

1010
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:36,680
Yeah, the house is on Ley lines.
There's rivers and and creeks 

1011
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,480
and water, and it's on the Lost 
River of New Hampshire that was 

1012
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,960
buried during the last Ice Age. 
And that's the well for the 

1013
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,880
house. 
It was 700 feet down when they 

1014
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,200
finally struck water. 
My father had a new well put in 

1015
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,280
and 700 feet down is pretty damn
deep to go. 

1016
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,320
And they found the Lost River of
New Hampshire. 

1017
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,200
You can literally stand on that 
property and you can feel the 

1018
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:07,400
raging river moving 700 feet 
below where you are standing. 

1019
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,520
You can feel the vibration in 
the stone walls. 

1020
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:17,080
You can lay on the bridge 
overneath over above the Nipmuc 

1021
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,080
River and you can feel the 
trembling of the earth. 

1022
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,360
This place is absolutely alive. 
I don't know if you're familiar 

1023
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,280
with Fleur technology, but I 
have a Fleur picture of that 

1024
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
farm that looks like it's on 
fire. 

1025
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,280
It looks it's a nighttime shot 
of a Fleur picture of that farm 

1026
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,520
with energy coming off of it to 
the extent that it looks like 

1027
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,640
it's fully engulfed in flames. 
Was this, was this an aerial 

1028
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,720
shot? 
Was this taken from like a 

1029
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,880
aerial? 
Like a drone. 

1030
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Or it was taken from the ground.
On the ground, wow, that's 

1031
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,320
amazing. 
But this speaks to a lot of what

1032
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,600
a lot of people we've spoken to,
you know, different mediums or 

1033
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,040
even witches or people who have 
experienced when you have this 

1034
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,320
thought of vibration. 
And energy and how everything 

1035
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,720
vibrates and everything is 
connected in that energy. 

1036
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,600
Frequency. 
Yeah, frequency, frequency the 

1037
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,800
other one. 
And let me ask you this here, 

1038
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,600
this is John's theory and like, 
and I tend to sort of lean into 

1039
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,280
it. 
And John, I'm going to speak for

1040
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,800
you. 
I'll articulate it for a second 

1041
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,680
of what spirits are, which is 
sort of our you know, we all 

1042
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,280
have energy within us, right? 
We all have energy. 

1043
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Can't. 
Keep our heart beating. 

1044
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,280
Right, we have a literal 
electric synapses firing at all 

1045
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,400
times. 
At all times. 

1046
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,680
And so the belief is that 
spirits are our memories or our 

1047
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,320
consciousness because we really 
don't know what the mind is or 

1048
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,600
what that does attached to that 
energy that gets dissipated when

1049
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,040
we pass. 
Yes, that consciousness. 

1050
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,280
That's kind of what. 
But it doesn't dissipate, it 

1051
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,960
transforms. 
It it it does not. 

1052
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,080
Energy does not be. 
Destroyed and it cannot be 

1053
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,920
created it. 
Transforms. 

1054
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,040
It transfers 100%. 
Yep. 

1055
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,160
Yes. 
So that's kind of how we look at

1056
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,440
what a spirit is. 
You know, it's it's this 

1057
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:09,480
consciousness, this memories of 
ours taking on a new space or 

1058
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,360
what, whatever that may be. 
Do you feel that the house, the 

1059
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,600
farm, is somehow a magnet? 
That might be a bad word for 

1060
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,840
that. 
No, no. 

1061
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,000
It's an excellent word choice. 
And I am magnetized to the farm 

1062
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,800
and the farm is magnetized to me
and, and I have that and, and my

1063
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,280
father has it too. 
And my Sister Nancy has it too. 

1064
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,880
Absolute magnetism. 
My father had a relationship 

1065
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,600
with one of the spirits that was
very problematic with my mother.

1066
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,880
It's like a big chunk of Volume 
2 of the trilogy. 

1067
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,320
And but the third volume was the
hardest to write. 

1068
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,520
And even though it is the 
shortest of the three volumes of

1069
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,240
House of Darkness, House of 
Light, it was also when we left 

1070
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,680
the farm. 
And I thought it would be the 

1071
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,120
easiest to write because OK, 
yada yada. 

1072
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,480
We, you know, did our thing and 
now it's time to leave the farm.

1073
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:10,760
But Oh my God, that's where 
everything opens up in Volume 3.

1074
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,640
That's where everything opens 
up. 

1075
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,800
And we realize there was a 
spirit. 

1076
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,680
My sister refused to move. 
She refused to move. 

1077
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,320
She was so angry at my parents 
for selling the farm. 

1078
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,200
My Sister Nancy. 
And when we left the farm that 

1079
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,800
day, there was an apparition 
standing right behind her. 

1080
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,800
And two days later when we got 
to Georgia and Cindy was waiting

1081
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,760
at the new house in Georgia, 
that same apparition was 

1082
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,360
standing behind the window in 
the new house in Georgia, 1200 

1083
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,400
miles away, two days later. 
And my mother grabbed my hand 

1084
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,720
and she. 
Said this is not over, this will

1085
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,560
never be over, and no truer 
words were ever spoken by a 

1086
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:55,440
mortal soul. 
Wow, wow. 

1087
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,880
I, you know, I look at why do 
you think that your family has 

1088
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,520
that? 
Well, how do I ask this 

1089
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,200
question? 
What? 

1090
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,720
What makes you think that you're
more of a magnet or an 

1091
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,200
attraction for spirit? 
I have absolutely no idea other 

1092
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,680
than I'm not from here. 
I am. 

1093
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,760
I am on the earth, but I am not 
of of this earth, which is why I

1094
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,720
know I can defeat anything that 
comes my way and then I can show

1095
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,480
other people how to do exactly 
the same thing. 

1096
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,600
And that is my mission and that 
is my purpose. 

1097
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,360
And I am here to spread love 
because love is our superpower. 

1098
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,840
Love is everything. 
And when we tap into that 

1099
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,240
frequency, and when that 
resonates with each and every 

1100
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:48,160
one of us, and we understand 
that we are, each and every one 

1101
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,880
of us, a member of 1 Common 
human family, and that we are 

1102
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,280
not alone in the universe and 
that we are loved and that we 

1103
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,960
are protected and that we are 
envisioned to live lives of 

1104
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,040
promise and purpose. 
And I live a life of promise and

1105
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,520
purpose. 
And I don't let anything dark 

1106
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,480
come near me. 
Nothing is allowed to come near 

1107
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,600
me. 
Well, that's for sure. 

1108
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,560
I have no doubt that you're 
going to attack this latest 

1109
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,600
ailment with the same level of 
intent that you. 

1110
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,000
Can. 
Experience at Bay, you know with

1111
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,240
without question. 
Do you consider yourself like a 

1112
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,120
medium of any kind? 
No. 

1113
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,360
Not at all. 
I'm everything. 

1114
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,480
We're all everything. 
I don't put labels. 

1115
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,600
I, I do not. 
I, I manipulate energy, but I 

1116
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,160
don't list myself as a witch. 
I have witchy characteristics. 

1117
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,400
I am able to do things that 
other people cannot do. 

1118
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,800
I am able to leave my body when 
I'm laying on a table and look 

1119
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,400
at myself being, you know, I 
like CT scan. 

1120
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,800
I watched from above and I 
didn't move a muscle because 

1121
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,200
they had to line that mask up 
exactly right. 

1122
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,400
So I didn't move a muscle. 
I laid there like I was looking 

1123
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:10,200
at a dead body on an ice slab. 
And that was 2 days ago in the 

1124
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,480
hospital in the morning. 
I am unaffected, completely 

1125
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,280
unaffected, by anything in this 
realm that challenges me. 

1126
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,080
I will not tolerate conflict, I 
will not tolerate discord. 

1127
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,840
I will not tolerate hatefulness,
and I am all about spreading the

1128
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,880
light and the love. 
There is one message and one 

1129
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,520
message only. 
And I don't care what people do 

1130
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,680
or what they say or how they 
this perversion of faith that 

1131
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,160
has happened around the world. 
Perversion of faith. 

1132
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,560
That's how we got Hamas. 
That's how we got this. 

1133
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,360
That's how we got that. 
You know, I mean, we are in a 

1134
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,960
place now of, of absolute 
revolution and evolution. 

1135
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,520
And the word love is in both of 
those words. 

1136
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,760
The word love is in both of 
those words. 

1137
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,840
I blame social media. 
Your attention on that. 

1138
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,880
I blame social media, even 
though that's. 

1139
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,960
That's terrible to say because 
we have for everything. 

1140
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,320
I mean, we, we unfortunately, 
we're social media babies here, 

1141
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,680
you know, and it's John's, you 
know, that's where he built his,

1142
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,640
his audience. 
That's the sort of the new way 

1143
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,440
of doing things. 
But I truly believe it is an 

1144
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,240
existential threat, certainly to
civility. 

1145
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,280
It's made an. 
Existential threat to civility. 

1146
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,560
And it's, yeah, it's really 
been, you know, people can just 

1147
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,600
say things and they don't think.
About. 

1148
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,920
Consequences. 
And they don't care who. 

1149
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,560
If you got, you got. 
It's like, it's like when I deal

1150
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,720
with, it's like when I deal with
spirits and I tell people 

1151
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,800
everyone's like, oh, it's so 
negative. 

1152
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,600
This is so negative. 
And it's like, no. 

1153
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,640
No, it's not. 
The problem is it's. 

1154
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520
The problem is, is that the 
negative for some odd reason 

1155
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,880
gets is more loud than the 
positive. 

1156
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,240
And it's the same with social 
media. 

1157
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,960
Social media can bring people 
together and bring communities 

1158
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:03,520
together, but at the same time 
it can tear things apart when it

1159
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,160
tears things. 
Apart Enrage. 

1160
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Things louder and but it's not. 
Enragement is engagement. 

1161
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,120
Exclusive, John. 
They're not mutually exclusive. 

1162
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,880
Both can be true at once, I 
agree. 

1163
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,120
That's wherein lies your 
problem. 

1164
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,200
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

1165
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,600
You know, it's wild, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

1166
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,120
What a world we're living. 
What a world we're living. 

1167
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:30,840
What a world, what a world we. 
We have the power to change it. 

1168
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,440
We do. 
We do and I believe that and I 

1169
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,720
will believe that till I draw my
last breath on this earth, I 

1170
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,640
will never stop. 
I will never stop. 

1171
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,560
I want to bring light into 
people's lives. 

1172
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,800
And you know what? 
When I am in a group of people 

1173
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,400
and I'm doing an event and 
people walk up to me and they 

1174
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,720
wrap their arms around me and 
they start to sob. 

1175
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,120
And they tell me things that 
they've never told anyone ever, 

1176
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,040
ever. 
Not their parents, not their 

1177
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:07,080
siblings, not their spouse. 
But they tell me because they 

1178
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,840
know that I'm trustworthy. 
And what they're telling me I 

1179
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,640
can say to them and look in 
their eyes and say I believe 

1180
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,439
you. 
And those 3 words are just as 

1181
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,720
powerful as I love you. 
That is true. 

1182
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,600
That is, that is, that is true. 
When you give somebody a let's 

1183
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,120
let them know and that you're 
listening. 

1184
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,520
Being a listener as opposed to 
talkers is great. 

1185
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,240
And they sob because they've 
been touched by spirit and they 

1186
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,920
don't understand and it's scary 
to them. 

1187
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,439
And I tell them be not afraid. 
There is nothing to be afraid 

1188
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,080
of. 
We are more powerful. 

1189
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,359
When people tell me they're 
having an issue in their house, 

1190
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,600
I'm like sit down and make 2 
cups of tea and put a nice 

1191
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,479
little piece of China on the 
table and have a talk with the 

1192
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,880
spirit that you consider 
offending you. 

1193
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,439
Andy, what? 
First of all, again, thank you 

1194
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,120
for your time here and I don't 
want to keep you too much 

1195
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,720
longer. 
You've given us a lot of time. 

1196
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,439
Really appreciate it, an amazing
interview. 

1197
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,439
Really, what are some questions 
you? 

1198
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,240
My pleasure you you both. 
You couldn't be more delightful 

1199
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,760
and I will join you anytime. 
I know I'm very, I'm in like 

1200
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,080
really metaphysical headspace 
today. 

1201
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,680
I love it. 
No, no, I love it because what I

1202
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,240
want to know is you have put so 
many pieces together. 

1203
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:26,399
You have made very clear 
decisions of what you have 

1204
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:28,800
experienced. 
You've, you know, categories. 

1205
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,479
What questions do you have still
about what you're you've 

1206
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,279
experienced? 
Are there any, Are there any? 

1207
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,160
No, there's no. 
You have no questions you want 

1208
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,120
left unanswered. 
I wanted to make sure that my 

1209
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,240
mother I wanted. 
I had a friend. 

1210
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,240
I have a friend who's a medium. 
She called me a few months ago 

1211
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,760
when my baby sister April died 
in 2017. 

1212
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,800
She died quite suddenly and 
tragically from a fentanyl 

1213
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:03,080
overdose that was given to her 
by her doctor and she was only 

1214
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,720
51 years old. 
She was two weeks away from her 

1215
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,920
52nd birthday. 
It fucking devastated our 

1216
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,920
family. 
It absolutely lost our baby girl

1217
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:18,240
for no good reason other than a 
really botched prescription. 

1218
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:28,320
And April came to us and before 
she was supposed to go in and 

1219
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,640
have surgery on her neck, she 
came and she brought her little 

1220
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,800
dog Sammy down here so that he 
could stay while she was in the 

1221
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,000
hospital. 
And the next morning when my my 

1222
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,800
niece went to pick her mom up to
take her to the hospital, she 

1223
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:48,720
found her body. 
And it was that was like kind of

1224
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,560
the the beginning of the end, 
you know, because it we were no 

1225
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,960
longer a family of seven. 
And yet we still are. 

1226
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,240
And yet April is there. 
So anyway, my friend Kristen 

1227
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,640
calls me and she's like, you 
have a question for your mother.

1228
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,760
And this is mom passed away in 
June of last year. 

1229
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,080
And she said you have a very 
specific question for your 

1230
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,400
mother. 
And I said, well, let me think 

1231
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,400
because I didn't expect to hear 
from her. 

1232
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,720
And I said yes. 
I need to know if mom and April 

1233
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,160
are together. 
That's all I need to know if mom

1234
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,560
and April are together. 
And she got very quiet and then 

1235
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:34,080
she said most important 
impactful words to me. 

1236
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,680
She said pineapple upside down 
cake. 

1237
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,440
When April came down, she wanted
mom to make her a pineapple 

1238
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:45,120
upside down cake. 
And mom kept putting her off and

1239
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,920
saying I'll do it after your 
surgery. 

1240
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:53,840
But she never came home. 
And and I knew that when Kristen

1241
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,040
said that, that they were 
together because my mother 

1242
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,120
regretted that to the last 
breath, that she never made that

1243
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,800
cake for April. 
And that's all April asked for 

1244
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,960
and it's all she wanted. 
And mom didn't make the cake for

1245
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,680
her because she was going to 
make it when she came home to 

1246
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:16,080
recover from the surgery. 
And I know that they are 

1247
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,000
together. 
And I know, as hard it is as it 

1248
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,320
is not to be able to feel them 
in my arms anymore, I feel them 

1249
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,680
in my heart and I embrace them 
and I feel the healing that's 

1250
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:34,200
coming from them. 
And I am so grateful to you and 

1251
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:39,560
to John and to everybody who is 
being supportive and so kind and

1252
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,800
compassionate and generous of 
spirit. 

1253
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,680
We are all spirit. 
Each and every one of us is a 

1254
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,600
form of spirit. 
We're just having a human 

1255
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:55,240
experience right now, and all we
need to do is breathe and flip 

1256
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:00,360
over and float and find our way 
because the universe knows the 

1257
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:05,160
way home. 
You know, what's top shelf about

1258
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,520
you, Annie, is that I ask you a 
question of like, what is there 

1259
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,000
something you you know that you 
don't want to know? 

1260
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,520
And the story and you say no and
the story you give is so 

1261
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,440
personal and like, I know I got 
it. 

1262
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,560
I'm covered. 
I know my mom's there. 

1263
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,280
I know my sister's there. 
I don't, I don't really. 

1264
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,840
I'm I got it. 
I got all the answers I need and

1265
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,040
that is quite. 
That is quite. 

1266
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,520
I agree. 
I mean, listen, remove, remove 

1267
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,440
all the experiences you had at 
the farm. 

1268
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,320
Remove all of this. 
And Annie, you are such a 

1269
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,760
pleasant person to speak to. 
That is wild. 

1270
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,920
It's you know, this has been an 
amazing interview. 

1271
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,800
So thank you for that. 
Thank you for you know 

1272
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,560
everything. 
We will, of course, we're going 

1273
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,920
to put the go fund me up again. 
That link will be in the 

1274
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,800
description here and in the link
tree in my bio for The Conjuring

1275
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,080
house that they're trying to 
keep it preserved. 

1276
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,360
I think that's being the face of
that is Jason Hawes. 

1277
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,160
You guys would know the OG from 
ghost hunters who spawned a lot 

1278
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,720
of babies here in social media 
and elsewhere to get into ghost 

1279
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,000
hunting. 
I don't realize, I don't know if

1280
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,840
he realizes what he's done to 
the world of the paranormal by 

1281
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,520
doing that show, creating people
like my nephew here to start, 

1282
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,800
you know, but it's I love it. 
It's it's funny, but we'll post 

1283
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,120
that for you. 
I mean, you should you clearly 

1284
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,840
have a passion for it. 
We want to help you out any way 

1285
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,400
we can. 
We we thank you for your time 

1286
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,400
and your story is, is one of 
one. 

1287
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:35,000
I think people I, I want people 
to look at it as, as your story 

1288
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,000
is one of survival on many 
fronts and coping and living 

1289
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,080
with what one would think might 
be the most horrible situation 

1290
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,080
to be in and recognizing you can
easily get through it with 

1291
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,880
understanding education. 
Read a fucking book, learn about

1292
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,760
what this is, understand what 
you're dealing with and you can 

1293
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,360
get through all of it. 
And I really find it your 

1294
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,640
outlook on not only on what 
spirits are, but how to deal 

1295
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,440
with them and how to move past 
it is, is something that is, I 

1296
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:09,760
think, I don't know. 
I hope our audience likes it. 

1297
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,640
I love it. 
It's sort of it, it paints a 

1298
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,480
bigger picture for us in this 
quest of trying to figure out 

1299
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:17,080
what are we dealing with and 
what are all these people 

1300
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,520
talking to on these spirit 
boxes. 

1301
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,400
And I'd love to get you and I 
love getting your perspective, 

1302
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,920
Annie. 
I really appreciate it. 

1303
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,320
I really appreciate your time. 
Yeah. 

1304
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,560
Thank you. 
Thank you so much. 

1305
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,040
I will join you anytime. 
Pick a subject, any subject that

1306
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:36,040
is great because I'm pretty sure
that that Harry and the 

1307
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,960
Hendersons are extra dimensional
beings that just pop in and 

1308
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,520
we're never going to find a 
carcass. 

1309
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,240
It's I'm just, that's all I got 
to say about that. 

1310
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,880
They're just, you know, they're 
visiting. 

1311
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,800
They're just visitors, like so 
many other visitors to the 

1312
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,280
planet. 
And you know, so that's my take 

1313
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,080
on cryptids. 
We can skip that episode and 

1314
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,840
just go right into the 
extraterrestrials the next time 

1315
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,160
because I have friends in my 
places. 

1316
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,280
I would, we would love that as I
would love that. 

1317
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,760
I would love to dive into all 
that. 

1318
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,680
We haven't even we haven't even 
gotten it. 

1319
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,240
I haven't even gotten my head 
around. 

1320
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,520
I got, I'm just, Andy, I'm just 
trying to get a handle on ghosts

1321
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:17,680
now. 
And it's like you're now trying 

1322
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,920
to figure out like skinwalkers 
and shit like that. 

1323
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,040
I mean, you got to be out of 
your mind. 

1324
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
It's like you're going to worry 
about aliens now too. 

1325
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,600
It's like. 
No, there's nothing to worry 

1326
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,160
about. 
You see, we're the danger, not 

1327
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,000
them. 
They pose no danger and no 

1328
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,120
threat to us. 
We're the danger. 

1329
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,840
What I always say is the one 
we're the living I don't want. 

1330
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,160
To hear the living this. 
Yeah. 

1331
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,600
Fear the living, not the dead. 
Fear the living, not dead. 

1332
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,760
If they're a lot, I great get 
all up in this and probe things 

1333
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,520
that I don't necessarily want 
probes. 

1334
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,240
Yeah, you might like it, Gary. 
You might worry. 

1335
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:57,440
About that, yeah. 
I might like it, it's fair 

1336
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,200
enough. 
And, and I did not say that John

1337
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,080
said that. 
I said that OK. 

1338
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,480
That's it for another episode of
Splintered Spirits. 

1339
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,320
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1340
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,560
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1341
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,960
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