I mean, even the attitude towards this haunted, this
haunted horror show of the house is amazing to me.
Like first of all, I mean, I don't even know that's like I
said, if I bought the house, I'm burning it down.
That's going to happen to build a new.
House. So therefore you're not allowed
to buy the house. Welcome to Splintered Spirits,
the podcast where we explore what lingers after the lights go
out, memories, energy, and the mysteries that refuse to be
buried. I'm your host, Gary here at my
nephew John Santa from Santa Paranormal, and today's episode
is a story not just about haunting, but about survival.
If you've seen The Conjuring, you know the broad strokes of
what happened to the parent family inside that Rhode Island
farmhouse. But what few people talk about
is what came after. How do you move forward once
your childhood becomes one of the most infamous haunting cases
in modern history? How do you reclaim your own
story after the world has turned it into folklore?
Our guest Andrea Perrin lived through it and then spent
decades trying to understand it. Through retrospection, writing,
and acceptance, she's turned something that could have
destroyed her into something profoundly meaningful.
And now she's facing a new battle.
Brain tumors with the same grace and courage that carried her
through her childhood. Haunting.
Today, she joins us to talk about survival in every sense of
the word, The long road of processing those early years,
how her understanding of spirit has deepened, and what has LED
her to a new mission to preserve the farmhouse that started it
all through a GoFundMe campaign. Believe me, I would have burned
that place down a long time ago. This isn't a ghost story.
It's a story of healing, perspective, and the quiet
resilience it takes to live with the past.
And as Annie so emotionally puts it, still keep moving toward the
light. Let's dive into the
conversation. When I'm there, I mean, they're,
they're in it, I mean. They're in, yeah.
And, and I've got a doctor that told me, don't you worry honey,
I've got your back. There you go.
All I needed to hear. Good.
That is, that is so, so good to hear.
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, Andrew, you
are a survivor on many levels, that is for sure.
Yeah, it's true. It's it's.
This is true. Well, first of all, I can't
thank you enough for taking the time to sit down with us here on
Splintered spirits. It's it's an honor for us to
have you. It's but you know, I, I would
say in this paranormal space that John's been in for a while,
but I'm very new to you are an absolute legend.
I mean for, for, for numerous reasons, just as someone who's
experienced probably the worst there is of it, your books, the
stories you've told, everything in, in your, in your approach to
the space. Now for us on this, this thing
is about me and my sort of understanding of what the
paranormal is and what John does and what spirits are.
So you for, for anyone that's going to be listening to this
who doesn't know who you are, listen, go buy her fucking books
and read the stories. And you're going to find a link
to those books in my link tree because we're here.
I mean, you should know this woman by now.
It, it's, it's, it's from, it's the woman who lived in The
Conjuring house, for Christ's sake.
So I don't want to waste a lot of time on doing another thing
about What's the difference between your story and the
movie? Yeah, most everybody knows that
now, I think. They should know it.
They should know. They should know it.
But you know, what I want to know is, so you moved into that
house when you were 12 and you were there for 10 years.
Yes. At what point did you start to
understand what it really was that you were dealing with?
Within 5 minutes. So in 5 minutes as a 12 year old
you're like, that's a ghost. That's a ghost.
Well, no, I didn't think he was because he appeared absolutely
solid to me. I mean absolutely solid.
Like I could have walked up to him just like you put my hand on
his arm, greeted him. I greeted him as I walked
through the dining room and. And he did not.
He stared right through me like he didn't see me, like I was an
invisible ghost. And he was completely fixated on
Mr. Kenyon packing the last of his wife's China out of his
corner hutch cabinet in the dining room.
And it was freezing cold and there was a swirling ice storm
going on. But you know, when you're a
swamp Yankee and it's moving day, you move.
You just put everything in the truck and you move.
And so we did, very slowly up into the woods to our place in
the country. And within 5 minutes, I walked
in with a box marked kitchen for my mother.
She was already in the kitchen with my baby sister, April.
And then the other four of us were big and strong enough to be
able to carry boxes marked kitchen.
And when I walked in and I saw him, I thought, well, that is a
very oddly dressed man because he was not wearing clothes that
I was in any way familiar with as a child.
Everything looked like it was handmade.
It was hand stitched, including the little fluffy hat that he
had on. And he had his arms crossed and
he had his leg mounted up against the wall and a quirky
grin on his face. And he was just staring at Mr.
Kenyon, just staring lovingly at him.
So. Then and then my Sister Nancy.
And no. And then Christine comes in and
she walks into the kitchen and she's like, who's that man with
Mr. Kenyon? He's dressed funny, you know,
so. Everybody saw it.
Everybody saw him. And you were the eldest, so they
were even younger than you. So they were than me and they.
And they didn't know what it was.
So when did you realize? When then, then Nancy, then,
then Cindy came in and she was the youngest.
April was already in the kitchen.
So Cindy was #4 and she came in the kitchen and she said to my
mother, Mom, who's that man with Mr. Kenyon?
And Mom said, there's nobody with Mr. Kenyon.
His son is on the way. He's not here yet.
And so I'm sure that we as children assumed that a neighbor
had stopped by and that he was just shy and he did not want to
interact with little girls coming in with boxes.
And then my Sister Nancy, walks into the kitchen, and she leans
over to Cindy and she says, sin, Did you see that man with Mr.
Kenyon? I did, but he just disappeared.
And boom, there it was. So.
So when when you when you said lovingly looking at looking at
him, so you think that he was looking at him from a place of
affection and admiration. Yes.
And then when did you sort of so, OK, he disappeared.
That makes you think as a 12 year old, that's a ghost.
But what was it? How old were you?
Or what was the moment where you really started to look into what
are these ghosts? What is happening?
5 minutes after we moved into the house.
So OK, so then you're you're like we have ghosts.
Instantaneous for me. OK.
Instantaneous For me. I knew that we were not living
alone. I knew immediately that we were
not living alone. I knew that this was very, very
different from the house that we had just come from and that
nothing was ever going to be the same.
So what? What changed for you from what
you thought a ghost was in that moment in those 5 minutes versus
what you think the spirit is now, if at all?
The same. It's the same.
So what is that? What is the Spirit the.
Spirit is OK. I'm going to give you my most
famous quotation now that's written on all of my coffee
mugs. Because you know, when you're a
superstar, you have your own coffee mugs.
And because coffee is the nectar of the gods, I have a coffee mug
that says this to be touched by. All right, let me get it right.
To be touched by spirit is not a curse, but a blessing It is.
That rare glimpse into the realm from which we come, and we'll
all inevitably return. Be not afraid.
Be the light you seek. Wow, wow, I'm.
Sorry. I don't mean to be emotional,
but I am a very. Emotional.
Person and I cry during every interview and everybody knows it
so. Take a moment, take a moment.
I'm going to do my best to try to make you laugh.
That's kind of how I operate because I'm very uncomfortable
around. Already just my suggestion.
Mere suggestion. I can laugh just that fast.
OK, good. So when I hear a quote like
that, do you look at spirit from a as a, from a religious place
or, you know, in terms of what, what spirit is inside of us?
Yes, OK, You asked me a very important pre question the other
day when we were talking before we did this interview.
You asked me a very important pre question and then you told
me to stop talking because you were afraid that I was going to
spill all my good stuff and it wouldn't.
Be ready for you, I want you to save it for the show.
I know. OK, so I didn't have to save it
because it is literally ingrained in me.
It is a part of me. I participate in my own healing.
I believe that all human beings need to be healed.
I believe in Jesus Christ. And I also know, all right, I'm
just going to just read this to you.
I'm just going to read what I wrote down for you because,
Gary, I cared enough to make some notes.
I never make notes. I always shoot from the hip.
But I want you. I want you to hear this.
Let's hear it. I choose to participate.
In my own healing I am totally in on spiritual warrior aspect
of who I am at my core in my soul.
Good is my mission and God is my champion.
And all faith is essentially paranormal in nature.
We believe in Jesus Christ. The vast majority of people on
this planet believe in a higher power.
They believe in cosmic consciousness.
They believe that there is a divine creator.
Most people on this planet have a belief system.
Even if your belief system is that you don't believe in God,
that is still a belief system. And belief is what fires the
mind and powers the soul. And our superpower as human
beings is love. And when we tap into that, when
we get there, when we understand that all of this is 1 singular
realization of Oneness, that we are one human race and that we
are all beloved and that we are all created.
In in a special way, in each one of us, so individual, even when
our even when our cells split and we have an identical twin,
there's still something that is different.
It is 2 individuals who are interacting with each other and
loving each other and being a family.
And that's what's happening now. And who would have ever thought
that with my diagnosis 15 months ago and all the upheaval around
the farm and everything that's been happening in all the drama,
that it would be me getting a deadly disease that would
congeal and coalesce an entire community, a very disparate,
very eclectic individuals in the paranormal world?
I mean, John, you've got to know, we're all so different.
Some of us believe in the Celts and some of us believe in the
this, and some of us believe in the witches and some of us
believe in the, you know, and we're all, but we're all
involved in spirit. We are completely, utterly,
totally surrounded by spirit at all times.
And I learned that as a very young child.
And then here's the delve. And here's the deep delve.
I needed to know. I needed to understand what was
happening and what we were seeing in that house.
And because I was a very precocious child and I was
intellectually advanced from my age, I started reading Ralph
Waldo Emerson. Henry.
David Thoreau, Walt Whitman, Nathaniel Hawthorne, all of the
metaphysicians. I wanted to read what they had
to say. What is this?
What is the House of Seven Gables?
What is going on in that house that draws people from all over
the world to feel the energy of that house?
That is exactly the same thing that's happening at the farm.
The farm is. Alive with death, the farm is.
Alive with spirits. The farm is absolutely alive
with the power and the glory, and some of them are cranky sons
of bitches, and some of them are just as helpful and benevolent
and kind and good as they could be.
I take, for example, Missus John Arnold, who her name is Abigail.
She and her husband John are the caretakers of that house.
They know all the spirits and they know that things were led
into that house in the last year that should never have been
allowed into that house. And it is time to get John
Zappos's ass up there and clear that house.
All he's got to do is drive for a couple of hours from
Connecticut and he can be at the farm and he can clear the house.
And we are going to, we're going to move mountains.
We are moving mountains. We are this coalescence that is
happening, this momentum, this this motivation that is
happening to save the farm, not just for its historical
integrity. I mean, as an original colonial
home, it is one of the most outstanding pieces of
architecture that's even left in the United States.
And it needs to be preserved and protected and defended and
rescued and salvage and repaired.
And all of that needs to happen. And I'm telling everybody,
please, if you care at all about this magnificent edifice, 5
bucks. 5 bucks to a GoFundMe page.
We've already raised close to $200,000.
We're going to we're going to we're going to put that link up
there for you, Annie, for sure. And and I want to get into this.
You know, I was going to get into this in a bit, but since
you're, since we're talking about it, you know, a lot of
dark stuff happened in that house too.
Yes. Yeah.
So a lot of good stuff happened too.
It wasn't all doom and gloom. It was darkness and it was
light. And the title of your book.
And yes, I don't give a fuck. But look, from my perspective
though, is it, do you feel? Because here's the thing, like,
I know a lot of rodeo clowns and a lot of great a assholes I'd
love to give that house to, right.
You know what I mean? And I'm just sort of sometimes,
like when I hear you talk about it, it's almost like, and I hate
to say it, but like, you know, a little Stockholm syndrome or a
battered wife syndrome where it's like, yeah, he slapped me
around, but the flowers really brighten up the room that he
bought me afterwards. Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, there's no shortage of assholes in the
world, But and, and, and we've had no, I mean like no shortage.
Honest to God I could point them out just walking in front of
this house. So why do you want to save the
house? Like, you know what I mean?
Like your connection to this house?
I mean, I know there's good stuff in it, but the you know
what I'm do you see what I'm saying?
It's. Like, no, I do no Gary
understand this. I was 12 years old.
I just turned 67 years old. I've had time to think about
this, to process this to to purge whatever needed to be
purged. I've had time to heal and to
know that what my mother went through in that house and what
my sister Cindy went through and what my sister Christine went
through and what my Sister Nancy went through and what my sister
April went through was nothing in comparison.
What I went through is nothing in comparison to what they did.
I had, for lack of a better word, a a multi dimensional
relationship with the spirits. I know that sounds bizarre.
I am not sitting on your show trying to no it.
Doesn't no, it doesn't. I so I I speak about this all
the time, inter dimensional stuff with my documentation.
So please speak your mind and speak your truth.
What? We'd love to hear it.
Well, I'll tell you this is there's been faith.
All right, I'm going to quote Kahil Gibran.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart beyond.
Reach of proof. There is no proof, and we've got
evidence of the yin Yang. Oh my God.
I mean, thousands of hours of evidence that has been collected
in that house and years and years and years of people
getting Evps that are like class AEVPS and all kinds of stuff
coming back through computers and the echo box and the spirit
box and the this box and the that box.
I don't need a box. I am the box.
They just come to me and they talk to me and they interact
with me. And whenever I walk in that
house, it doesn't matter what group of people is in that
house. Every one of their dinky little
light shiny devices light up like Christmas trees as soon as
I walk in the house and I greet the spirits and they hear my
voice. I do tours of that house with
groups or I used to over the phone and all they had to do was
put it on speakerphone and all I had to do was greet my spirits
and the whole entire house would come alive and everybody's ooing
and eyeing and and crying and clapping and unbelievable
emotional response to being actually present with spirit and
allowing them to allow us to interact with them.
They are real. Spirit is real, Spirit is true
and anybody that is touched by it, you cannot be untouched.
Once you have been touched by spirit, that is a permanent
condition. There's no fixing it.
There's no going back. You can turn your back on it on
that open door, but eventually something is going to come
through and tap you on the shoulder and say I'm right here
and I've been here all along and I.
Think we, we, we, we agree with you for sure.
We're not, we're not debunkers here.
We're we're on the believe first sort of place.
Well, good, because belief first is the best way to go.
Because you know what Gary, we, it's all we've got.
All we've got is hope. That's all we've got.
And, and for us to be able to be in a position now
technologically, but also spiritually, to be able to
determine what, what spirit is active around us.
To be able to feel the presence of my mother after she passed
away last year, to know that she is right here with me.
To know that my sister is right here with me.
To know that they gave Christmas gifts to the dogs.
They gave Christmas gifts to the dogs.
That were under the tree. We don't know where they came
from. Two years ago, before my mother
passed away, April brought Christmas gifts to her dog and
put them under our Christmas tree.
They were not there when we left for the family gathering.
They were there when we came home and no one was in this
house except April. You know, this is when I tell
you the power that they possess to be able to manipulate
objects, to be able to literally work in outside of 3D, outside
of 4D, even maybe into 5D and beyond.
We live in a multi dimensional universe.
We only think that we live in our little 3D shell.
OK, We have to Peck our way out of that and find our way to the
truth, and the truth will set. I want to ask you because you
know, you talked about it took you years to process and based
on what you just said, you know this, you know, the, the, the
multidimensional self, when did that conclusion come to you that
that was not a 12 year old within 5 minutes saying we're
living in multiple dimensions? So when did you?
No, I was about 15 and I was reading Emerson.
I was reading the his essay circles and it made sense to me.
It resonated with me and on Hawthorne resonated with me too.
So you'd. Already been living in the house
for three years. You start reading, you're a
teenager, you start reading these books on right and with
the metaphysical and and that sort of puts you in this space
to sort of really take a grasp on on this outlook on life.
And did any of that, has that evolved or changed at all that
worldview versus metaphysical versus spirituality as as you've
progressed and learned more about yourself in the house?
Well, keep in mind that I was thrown out of the Catholic
Church for asking too many provocative questions.
That's fine by us. Yeah, completely fine.
Both John and I went to Catholic school and we are totally like
anti Catholic Church, the church, you know?
Well I love Pope Leo, I'm totally cool with Pope Leo, I'm
all down with Pope Leo, but I am never going to a self identify
as any specific religion. I mean I come from an ancient
sect. My mother, my father, is pure
French from the Alsace Lorraine area.
Their family emigrated to Canada in 1518 and then came down into
New England. My mother is Scottish and
Cherokee Indian. She was Welsh and Irish and
English and a real Heinz 57 mix. But she was also part of of the
pact. She went back to her lineage
when we did. Her ancestry went back to the
Vikings. So my mother was a one of when
she was alive, was one of nine women left on Earth that had the
mitochondrial DNA of a Viking queen.
Wow. So I come from good stock.
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that defined, that's sort of what you walked in with, that
sort of belief system. And then it slowly changed as a
teenager and then afterwards, surreal.
Did you ever look back and say, I thought this was this then?
But now that I've, can you give us a specific example of what
you thought it was then and when you were living through it
versus how you look at that spirit or entity now and what
you think it really was or is? Our first Easter in the house
Our first Easter in the house. We all went to our new parish,
which was Saint Patrick's in Harrisville, and we had been in
the house for several months. Everybody knew what was
happening except my father, who was king of denial, who's like,
no, no, no, it's all your, you know, I mean, all you hysterical
females. They're like, fuck that noise,
you know, there was nothing hysterical about any of us.
And he didn't believe us because he was scared shitless.
And that's the fact. And you know what?
He's just going to have to deal with that and live with that.
He's 90 years old. I think he's come to terms with
the fact that he was scared shitless, that he had moved his
entire family into a house that he had absolutely 0 control
over. So we all go to church on Easter
Sunday and my sister, we filled our own Pew because there were
seven of us. And at the very end of mass, the
priest said, and the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost and
April turned and looked at my mother and at the top of her,
her little girl voice, she was only 6 years old.
And at the top of her voice she said, see mommy, God's got
ghosts just like we do. And every head in that church
turned. And the priest followed my
father out with our family. And he said, Mr. Perrin, I would
appreciate it if you would take your family and worship
elsewhere. And that's what the Catholic,
Catholic, their rituals and their seances and their
expulsions and their exorcisms, that he was as scared as anybody
else. He didn't want to lose his
flock. He didn't want the weird family
that had just moved in coming into his church.
And my mother and my father got in the car.
And my father was livid, furious.
My father had been born and raised in the Catholic
tradition. He attended parochial school.
He was an altar boy for most of his youth.
He joined the Navy right out of high school.
And then he met my mother and married her, and he was going to
come back after the Navy and go into the seminary to become a
priest. That is how serious my father
was about his Roman Catholic upbringing and to be shunned and
discarded as though we had absolutely no value at all in
that parish as a new family moving into the town.
He got in the car. I could see I was sitting in the
backseat and I could see his, I mean, he was just grinding his
teeth. And my mother turned and she
looked over into the back seat and she said, girls, if you want
to know God. Go to the woods, go to the
woods. And we did.
So if we are pagans, then we are pagans.
But we went to the woods, and there I found God.
So I was actually going to ask a question about that.
There's always so much talk about the farm, but there's so
much woods on the property and I didn't.
And when I was, you know, just doing some deep dives, I never
heard much about it. And now you're speaking.
About the woods I would. Love to hear about the woods if
you would like to share just a little bit.
April had an experience in the woods that I think is the most
compelling. I think it's in volume.
No, Nancy too. Nancy had a very compelling
experience in the woods. But April went down into, we had
200 acres and she was about 10 years old and she went down into
Pine Forest Grove that we had back on the acreage and she saw
children. She saw at least ten children
and it was right across. It was like a half a mile away,
not even a half a mile away from the Nipmuc River, which flooded
occasionally, like really badly flooded.
And so she was walking through the pine forest and she could
see little children dressed as Indians.
She said they had the moccasins and they had the little, they
had the little coats and they were and it was springtime and
they were stepping over lady slippers that were in the pine
forest and they all died together in a flood 200 years
before all those children were swept away by a flash flood.
You're not making me want to keep this house.
Andy, I'm telling you right now, I don't know what we're talking.
About Oh, but it's brilliant, Gary, it's brilliant.
Can you imagine? They were in real time.
They were in real time in enough pine forest that did not exist
when they lived. It was not there.
What is going? What do you think after all
these years? What do you?
What is it about the place versus the spirit?
Is it? Is it?
Is it a place? Is it a time?
Is it a spirit? What is the connection?
Why there? What do you think it is?
What's going on? I think that it's a portal or a
vortex of some kind. I think that there are
extraterrestrials that are definitely involved and that
might make some of your listeners head spin right off.
But I am very tight with our galactic family.
We are not alone in the universe and that is just a fact.
And nobody has to believe me. I don't care who I don't.
I really don't give a shit who believes me.
No, that's right. I want to know about your.
Connection listen, as I stated before, the viewers that are
going to listen to this I document interdimensional
entities all the time all the time, all the time.
So you. You do have, yes.
Your reputation precedes you for that, John.
Yeah. Thank you.
What is so how? How do you connect
extraterrestrials to spirits? I think that everything is the
same thing. I think that everything is
energy. I think that if anybody wants to
know what's really going on, that they need to read Einstein
and they need to read Tesla, because these were two of the
greatest scientific minds of this or any generation.
And both of them were deeply faithful people.
And Einstein came to it later in life, but he understood that MC
squared E equals MC squared is divine and he understands that.
And it's just the titular point of us understanding our
universe. But we live in a multi
dimensional universe, which is why in the 1940s when we started
exploding atomic and hydrogen bombs on this planet, they came.
If they could get here, they came.
And the reason that they came was because not only were we
destroying our own planet, we were also doing damage elsewhere
in the universe. And that is why we have had the
influx of technology and we have had the influx of sightings and
we have had the influx, although you do not hear of visitations
or abductions very much anymore. And there's a reason for that
because the Federation called an end to it.
That just has to stop. They have to understand that
even if they're just partially humanoid and partially AI, that
we have feelings and do. You believe in?
Do you believe in past life aggression?
I don't know. I've never had it done and I
don't think that I've been here before.
And I had a very, very famous, world famous hypnotist that
literally threw a check back at me and said I can't hypnotize
you. You're not from here.
Get out of my office. Well, it's that's.
That's awesome by the way. I find that.
Well I cried. I went to the God damn parking
deck at the building and sat there and cried for 1/2 an hour
because I didn't under. I was only in my 20s and I
didn't understand what he was saying to me.
Well, the one thing I so I I did a an interview with a QHHT
therapist, right? Quantum hypnosis, healing
therapy and past life regression and the past life.
What I've come to learn about it, what many of them believe
in, is that it is not. It's saying past the life is a
misnomer. It's more of a Everything
Everywhere all at once. Thank you very much.
I now am am madly in love with you.
I'm madly in love with you. Luckily you are on the other
side of the country and you can't deal with this crazy woman
person to person. But that is exactly right.
You are exactly right. What you're talking about with
energy and dimensions and other, you know, and there's a, there's
aliens and, you know, extraterrestrials rather I
should say. And the connection between that
energy is all something that they believe in wholeheartedly
because it's less about what you were before, but it's what that
timeline of you is. That's right.
And it's what you are becoming. It is what you are becoming.
We are in a rapid evolution of human consciousness.
We are in that right now, and I call it the paradigm shift.
And it's very simple to explain. The paradigm shift is what
happens when everything changes and nothing is ever the same
again and we have a complete new open opportunity to examine our
universe in a completely different way.
I wrote I wrote a little piece, a treatise as part of one of my
books a few years ago and it's called The Chicken and the Egg
and One night. Excuse me, just a second.
I don't know what came first. If you're about to ask you what
came first, please don't. I don't.
Have no I have your answer for you all.
Right, let's hear it. I went outside while I was
working on a screenplay actually.
And, and I used to get pushed around quite a bit in the middle
of the night. I still do.
I'm usually out at about 3:00 in the morning every morning
talking to my galactic family and the skylights up and they
are beautiful and nobody's around to see.
And so it's very, very personal. And I bring the dogs because the
dogs are not afraid of them except up close.
They don't like the, the distance is fine, but not up
close. But I went outside because I got
pushed in my bed. I had already closed down the
computer and I went to bed and it was about 3:00 in the morning
and I got pushed while I was in bed.
Well, I was in Florida and it was winter, which meant that I
had to put slippers and a robe on to go outside.
And I didn't want to go outside. And I said, no, not tonight,
leave me alone. Nope.
I got pushed again. I got up, I put my robe, I put
my slippers on. I went out into our expansive
driveway and I looked up at the sky and I said, what is it?
I was aggravated. I was tired, I was depleted, and
I just wanted to go to bed. What is it?
And instead of seeing a flash in the sky or seeing an arc of
golden light or a green streak that literally traced the
circular circumference of the world, because sometimes they're
far enough out that when they're flying that fast, you can
literally see the arc of the world.
I didn't see that that night, Gary.
What I saw was a flash of light that was so bright that it
almost knocked me back in the driveway.
And in that split second. I was 12 years old again.
I was 12 years old and we had just gone to the chicken farm.
And because my parents wanted to be gentlemen and and gentlelady
farmers and they wanted their kids to have good fresh eggs.
And so they took us across the border to Connecticut to a
chicken. Farm.
And there were all the chickens and there were the farmer, the
farmer and his wife and the the farmer's wife took my mother and
all five of us into the, I think they call it the Candler shop,
where they've got all the little eggs set up in incubators.
And my father was talking to the farmer and, and when we went in
there, one of the eggs started to move.
And I got so excited. I was just a little kid and I
got so excited and I wanted to hold the baby chicken so bad.
And I reached over and I put my hand on that egg and I started
to crack the shell. And my mother pulled my hand
back and she said, no honey, if you crack the shell, the baby
will die. I was mortified.
Mortified. And what she was trying to tell
me was the amount of energy that it took for that chicken to Peck
its way out of its own encasement, out of its own egg,
was exactly equivalent to the amount of energy that and
stamina that would require to live outside the egg.
And so all of a sudden, the chicken and the egg took on
completely new meaning for me. And I understood that the reason
why I never had that memory again was because I learned my
lesson that day as a 12 year old.
Do not crack the egg. If the egg does not crack from
the inside out, the chicken will perish.
And that is true of us. It is true of every single one
of us. We have to find our way through
our own spiritual evolution. And it is not.
It's not vertical, it's not horizontal.
It's all over the place and it's every single one of us.
Every day is confronted with 1000 different things that we
need to make a decision about. And how do we want to live?
And every morning when we wake up, we wake up to a new day.
And every morning we decide whether consciously or
subconsciously, how do we want this day to be.
And I choose to live in the light, and nothing dark can
touch me, not even cancer. I'm feeling a little guilty
about eating scrambled eggs this morning, I'll tell you that.
After Well, you should because you know what?
I had them yesterday morning and I felt guilty too.
But I have to eat something because I've lost so much
frigging weight so fast. I got to tell you, your energy
is top shelf. I can't.
I mean, if you didn't tell, if you didn't tell us you were
battling cancer right now, I would never have.
I would never. Guess it I would have.
Never truthfully. Because I'm not putting up with
this bullshit. OK, now that I know, I mean, you
started this show with a fuck. OK, so so I'm going to tell you
my daily mantra. My daily mantra is get the fuck
out of my big fat fluffy temple. Now you rotten son of a bitch,
go back and live with your father the devil.
Amen. That is my mantra.
That's intent. That is intent.
I speak of intent all the time.
That is intent, and it's strong. Andy, how do you Andy, how do
you tell people or do people come to you and ask you like,
what do I do with this ghost in my house or what do I do with
this? What?
How do you? I thought you were about to ask
her how does she like her scramble eggs?
No, no. Sauce with cheese sauce.
I love it with cheese. Little corn.
Peas. Yeah, with the corned beef, a
little hash. Beef.
Oh yeah. Corned beef?
Never. We're going to have to chow
down. I'm.
Telling we're going to have to definitely.
Gary, I don't know. I don't know if he can handle it
or not. I'm a kid.
No, I'm not a corned beef either.
Not a chance. Not for me.
Certain things I won't touch. I can go through the rest of my
life without ever having it. But it's when you have such a
strong outlook on it. But not everybody is.
I'm gonna say there's no, not everybody's as strong as you
are, I'll tell you that right now.
We've even some of the people we've met and dealt with.
So what is the? How do you, what kind of advice
do you give? People want to identify with
what they're dealing with, how to process what they're dealing
with and how to live with or leave that situation.
All right, I'm going to say something now that is going to
be difficult to hear. A lot of these people have
mental illness issues. A lot of people, I say it all
the time. I say it all the time.
Yeah, I mean, when I I do not do home investigations, I've never
done investigations. Why would I need to investigate
Jack shit? You know, I'm going and looking
for something I already know exists.
That's ridiculous. But I know a lot of people that
do home investigations and they will walk into a House of
squalor and screaming babies and dirty diapers and dishes in the
sink and pets that have not been cared for.
And then they walk in and they say, you know, what can we do to
help you? And the woman says, I have a
demon in my house. She's the demon.
I don't believe in demons.
I've never seen a demon. I don't know what a demon is.
I know that there is evil in the world.
All you have to do is turn the news on and on any given night
and you can watch all the evil that you could possibly want to
say. The proof is, you know, I mean,
good and evil exist in this world, and that's just how it
is. But she is the one that's
attached. She is the one that's
struggling. She is the one that is scared.
Excuse me. I'm so sorry my.
Throat take your. Time orange juice.
Go. It's the good stuff.
It's vodka. OK.
And and this happens sadly much more than you might think that
it does. But there are actual cases of
infestation and there are actual cases where I believe that an
exorcist is a necessary fixture in the placement of it and and
Lorraine Warren dealt with some of that themselves.
And I have had some personal experience with it as well.
Not for me personally, but from a very, very close friend of
mine who was invited to assist on an exorcism.
And the the woman in the room earned him and told him things
about his childhood that she could not possibly have known.
And he was completely and totally freaked out and he had
to leave the exorcism and he had to leave the house.
And he's never looked back. It feels, let me ask you this,
because when I hear about exorcisms in that sense, which
is a very religious ceremony. Yeah, it is.
Is it a bit performative? Is it more just a way to show?
Yeah, it is right. It is OK.
And that's very unfortunate. You know, there was number
exorcism in our house. My mother was not.
My mother was not possessed. My mother was attacked by
something that Lorraine Warren's spiritual medium invited into
the house during a seance that my father did not want to
happen. And within 5 minutes, Gary, I am
telling you, I'm looking directly into your eyes.
I am telling you within 5 minutes, my mother was
levitating in a chair and was tossed 20 feet from the middle
of our dining room into the middle of our parlor.
And when her head struck the floor that night, I blamed the
warrants. And when when hers head struck
the floor that night, everyone that was present in that house
thought they had just watched my mother die.
So I know about childhood trauma.
And that was of everything that I have ever had to deal with in
my entire life, that was the worst moment of my life.
Watching my mother fly was the worst moment of my life.
And she was out of it. She was completely like, like
not comatose, but catatonic. She never knew I right till the
day she died. She never had any memory of that
night. But everybody else that was
present in that house that night, including Ed Warren, that
took a punch right directly in the face from my father because
he tried to stop my father from going to my mother.
And that was a big mistake. I mean, that was a big mistake.
Like Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake.
That could be cake, except that she made a bigger mistake.
And what she said after that was that cost her her head was never
party with peasants. Party with the fucking peasants.
OK, Party with the peasants. You want to party?
Party with the peasants. Poverty made her uncomfortable.
I got it.
Yeah, I guess it did. I'm sure.
But you know, just as an aside, because, you know, you know, my
mother always said that I was the queen of high strangeness.
And she always said that I row with one oar in the river of
consciousness and go in circles and circles and circles.
But you know what? Here's the thing about the River
of consciousness, the river of life.
When we're little kids and we see this incredible body of
water spread out in front of us, our life ahead of us, we're
excited and we might actually toe dabble and we might go sit
on the on the Bank of the shore and let the water run over our
toes. But it's scary because it's so
fast and it's so powerful. And then we get older and we get
older, and then we get older, and then we start to crave
jumping into that life body of water.
And then we think that what we want is up around the corner,
around the bend, and we can't see it, but we jump into this
raging body of water and we start swimming against the
current because we think what we want is someplace that we can't
see it when it's right in front of us.
And when your lungs are on fire and your arms are burning and
you have got nothing left, nothing left to expend, flip
over. And float.
The universe knows the way. I mean, grace, that is a that's
a wildly powerful way to think about how to just get through
any tough time. Flip over and float, baby.
People pay, people panic. Roll with it.
Roll with. It and then they.
Drown. They drown in their own despair
and they drown in their own struggling, and they drown
looking for faith that was right there with them all along.
But is that, is that an advice tip for someone who might be
going through a similar experience, experience of what
you were going through? It's like, look, get on your
back and roll with these these things around you.
I have had, I have been through this last eight days, I have had
three PET scans, 3 MRI's, infusions, building a mask for
radiation for the five tumors that they have discovered in my
brain and it has absolutely nothing.
I'm sure that you can tell from my conversation with you that 5
little tumors in my brain, a couple of lesions and a couple
of little tumors are not in any way impacting me negatively.
I am not putting up with this. Get out of my fluffy temple now.
Now, do you? Do you feel that there is a
possibility that what you're experiencing now is due to your
exposure to these interdimensional energies and
powers? No, no, no.
I think that I'm supposed to have this cancer so that I can
heal from this cancer, so that I can write a book and tell other
people how to heal from cancer. I think that that's exactly
what's happening in that it's part of my mission.
It's part of my journey and I embrace it.
I embrace it not as a perversion because of this cancer.
We're going to get the farmhouse back and we're going to save
that farmhouse because people care so much about me and I am
so deeply grateful and I am so humbled.
And, and the I, I can't even tell you the outreach for me
for, for Jason Hawes to be able to fulfill my greatest wish,
which would be my greatest legacy.
It would be my greatest legacy to be any part of a pivotal part
of of changing the outcome in the history of this House and
giving the. Future well, I think your, I
think your positivity. Yeah.
Towards what's your affliction right now is amazing and there I
think so many people are hearing your words about that subject.
You probably do a lot of good helping a lot of people, so
that's awesome. Your attitude is incredible.
I mean, I mean, even the attitude towards this haunted
this this haunted horror show of the house is amazing to me.
Like, first of all, I mean, I don't even know.
That's like I said, if I bought the house, I'm burning it down.
That's what's going to happen to build a new.
House. So therefore you're not allowed
to buy the house. No, no, you don't want me to
have it. Now I'll support, I'll support
whoever. But So what do you want to see?
What is the? Why do you want it to be bought
and what do you want it to be in 10 years from now?
It's bought by somebody you you respect.
They bought it. What is happening there?
What is happening is that we are making films and we are making
documentaries and we are documenting evidence that is
irrefutable evidence. And we are capturing and
capturing and capturing more and more and more.
And what we are doing is we are letting people into the house to
feel the fire of this house, to feel the energy of this house,
to feel the blessed, burning sacred Bush of this house.
Is there any fear, Is there anything in that house that's
off limits that you wouldn't want people to go near or
experience just even though what you lived through and seen know
what your mother went through? No, there should be No Fear.
As soon as I walk in that house, as soon as I'm associated with
that house, everything is calm. Everybody steps forward.
Everybody has whatever they have to say.
You know, I've worked with Cody and Satori in the house.
They are absolutely brilliant. They practice pneumonism, which
is a very rare spiritual art, and they are brilliant at it.
And I don't care what anybody ever has to say about Cody and
Satori. Cody and Satori are my children.
They are my adopted children. Thankfully, Jason Hawes is kind
enough to share his daughter with me.
Cody's parents are totally fine if I just take them come, you
know, take him completely off their hands and and you know,
and these are my people and this is my tribe.
And Friday night when I do my show, I have a podcast called
the World awakening on. Well, it's everywhere.
It's just kind of everywhere KGRA radio, but it's a multi
cast all over the world. And on Friday night I'm going to
have the entire team of caretakers from the farm and all
of our plans and everything that we want to do.
And I will be there and I will be taking my friends and I will
find a way to get on a plane and I will find a way to bring my
agent with me so that if I need any help, I will have the
assistance that I need. My Greta, my dear Greta Reefer,
who's my agent and my dear, dear friend.
And, and I will go to the farm and, and we will welcome and
embrace everybody because that's the thing.
This farm is for the community. This isn't Jason's farm.
This isn't Cody and Satori's farm.
It doesn't belong to anyone. It belongs to everyone.
He just has to facilitate the sale.
So we're talking about money. We can raise the money.
The money's almost raised. We're doing.
We'll be sure to put a link to this GoFundMe and the link tree
in my bio and in this description of this and we
dropped this episode for sure is there when was there there had
to be a point of absolutely no thank you.
There's there must have. What was the point where you
realize that even a spirit that might have appeared to be
combative. Yeah, now, yeah.
Is not, you know, when did that realization click and sort of
the discovery of that and how you classified it?
Well, my attitude about it was knock it off, you know, and I
had a couple of incidents where like some smoky Gray stuff
started seeping under my door. And I'm like, you know, I'm
busy. I'm doing my homework now.
You're going to have to come back another time.
That's always just been my attitude with them.
And then, you know, it just Smokey seeps away and just goes
away. I mean, I had, I have an ongoing
relationship with the spirits at the farm.
I have always had that. I will always have that.
There are members of my family that never, my mother never went
back after the day that we left that farm.
She never went back. My sister Cindy will never go
back. Christine will never go back.
Nancy would go back in a heartbeat.
And April is still attached to our little Henry Richardson or
Oliver. We don't know if his name was
Henry or Oliver, but the little boy that she met at the farm
that she befriended and oh, I have.
I have animals walking, sorry. No, we're, we're all about
especially cats here. So you're good.
You're good. Sorry, yeah, I got it.
I got the Kitty and two doggies, but they're being good.
I had to shut down everything so that they get get get distracted
while I was doing my interview. No, it's all right.
So you know your connection. Do you feel, do you feel that
you have left some of your energy in that house?
Yes. Oh my God, yes.
But it's all positive. It's all positive.
And they know that I love them. Even the cranky ones, you know,
they had hard lives, Gary. I mean, these people didn't have
electricity, They didn't have running water, they didn't have
heat unless they cut it down off their.
Listen, say no more. My idea of my idea of camping is
a Four Seasons where the TV's down.
Yeah, I know. It's a total nervous breakdown.
Oh my God, the cables down, you know, really, we have no idea.
Princess. They faced Bathsheba Sherman.
She lost all of her children except one before the age of 4.
You know what that woman went through and they got blamed for?
She didn't do anything wrong. Bathsheba didn't do anything
wrong. I know Bathsheba.
She didn't do anything wrong. It was Missus Warren that
decided to pin everything on her and and then wrote it up in a
case file that got made into a fictional film.
You know, real story is so much more compelling and so deeply
spiritual and so filled with empathy and compassion.
You know, these spirits had hard lives.
And who knows? I mean, think about 200 years
ago. Everybody's all freaked out
about their religion now. OK, Now imagine 200 years ago
when you have decided that it's the end of your life and you
have climbed a ladder and hung yourself in the barn.
OK now do you go to the light? Or is that light, fire and
brimstone of hell everlasting because you dared to challenge
God and take your life, which was the predominant belief
system at the time, so suicide was considered the ultimate sin?
Or do you stay where you're comfortable?
Do you stay where you are known, where the other spirits are,
where your family and your ancestors still are?
Do you stay comfortably at home even though you are free,
finally, from a body ravaged by wounds and pain and age?
Do you stay home? Or do you go to the light?
And what does that light mean? And it is.
Is that the light of everlasting salvation, or is it the light of
damnation? That's a great point.
Perspective. Go and ask yourself that
question. Right perspective is a great is
a great. What would you?
Piece of this that you don't ask.
Would you say that, let's say you know people, you know people
believe in attachments and spirits following them and
whatnot. Would you say if somebody walked
in there with the spirit that has never been on the farm,
would you say that the that the farm would have a way of
elevating or amplifying and. Welcoming and welcoming them.
And I have two. Friends, this is a very
important story and I know we're running short on time, but this
is. Please take your time and this.
Take your time. I have as much time as you do if
you get tired. You've got time.
Yeah, definitely. We've got.
John, this will particularly appeal to you because of your
research. I have two friends.
One of them has passed away now, but had two friends.
One of them had a profound hearing loss and one of them was
blind. And when they went to the farm,
their sensory perceptions were completely healed for the time
that they were on that property. And then when they left the
property, the impairments returned.
What is that? Wow.
You know, and just I just want to point out this is the place
that the media, you know, in Hollywood and everything has
turned into, you know, a horror, a horror.
And here's this a beautiful story.
And that goes into another question I was going to ask you,
but you just answered it there. What a beautiful story of two
people with, you know, going, you know, go one's blind, one's
deaf and then all the sudden having the chance in the
experience to hear and see. I mean, I that is just amazing.
That's that's amazing. So, So what do you think that
is? Why do you think you think it
was the spirits there allowing them to see and hear?
Yeah, the house is on Ley lines. There's rivers and and creeks
and water, and it's on the Lost River of New Hampshire that was
buried during the last Ice Age. And that's the well for the
house. It was 700 feet down when they
finally struck water. My father had a new well put in
and 700 feet down is pretty damn deep to go.
And they found the Lost River of New Hampshire.
You can literally stand on that property and you can feel the
raging river moving 700 feet below where you are standing.
You can feel the vibration in the stone walls.
You can lay on the bridge overneath over above the Nipmuc
River and you can feel the trembling of the earth.
This place is absolutely alive. I don't know if you're familiar
with Fleur technology, but I have a Fleur picture of that
farm that looks like it's on fire.
It looks it's a nighttime shot of a Fleur picture of that farm
with energy coming off of it to the extent that it looks like
it's fully engulfed in flames. Was this, was this an aerial
shot? Was this taken from like a
aerial? Like a drone.
Or it was taken from the ground. On the ground, wow, that's
amazing. But this speaks to a lot of what
a lot of people we've spoken to, you know, different mediums or
even witches or people who have experienced when you have this
thought of vibration. And energy and how everything
vibrates and everything is connected in that energy.
Frequency. Yeah, frequency, frequency the
other one. And let me ask you this here,
this is John's theory and like, and I tend to sort of lean into
it. And John, I'm going to speak for
you. I'll articulate it for a second
of what spirits are, which is sort of our you know, we all
have energy within us, right? We all have energy.
Can't. Keep our heart beating.
Right, we have a literal electric synapses firing at all
times. At all times.
And so the belief is that spirits are our memories or our
consciousness because we really don't know what the mind is or
what that does attached to that energy that gets dissipated when
we pass. Yes, that consciousness.
That's kind of what. But it doesn't dissipate, it
transforms. It it it does not.
Energy does not be. Destroyed and it cannot be
created it. Transforms.
It transfers 100%. Yep.
Yes. So that's kind of how we look at
what a spirit is. You know, it's it's this
consciousness, this memories of ours taking on a new space or
what, whatever that may be. Do you feel that the house, the
farm, is somehow a magnet? That might be a bad word for
that. No, no.
It's an excellent word choice. And I am magnetized to the farm
and the farm is magnetized to me and, and I have that and, and my
father has it too. And my Sister Nancy has it too.
Absolute magnetism. My father had a relationship
with one of the spirits that was very problematic with my mother.
It's like a big chunk of Volume 2 of the trilogy.
And but the third volume was the hardest to write.
And even though it is the shortest of the three volumes of
House of Darkness, House of Light, it was also when we left
the farm. And I thought it would be the
easiest to write because OK, yada yada.
We, you know, did our thing and now it's time to leave the farm.
But Oh my God, that's where everything opens up in Volume 3.
That's where everything opens up.
And we realize there was a spirit.
My sister refused to move. She refused to move.
She was so angry at my parents for selling the farm.
My Sister Nancy. And when we left the farm that
day, there was an apparition standing right behind her.
And two days later when we got to Georgia and Cindy was waiting
at the new house in Georgia, that same apparition was
standing behind the window in the new house in Georgia, 1200
miles away, two days later. And my mother grabbed my hand
and she. Said this is not over, this will
never be over, and no truer words were ever spoken by a
mortal soul. Wow, wow.
I, you know, I look at why do you think that your family has
that? Well, how do I ask this
question? What?
What makes you think that you're more of a magnet or an
attraction for spirit? I have absolutely no idea other
than I'm not from here. I am.
I am on the earth, but I am not of of this earth, which is why I
know I can defeat anything that comes my way and then I can show
other people how to do exactly the same thing.
And that is my mission and that is my purpose.
And I am here to spread love because love is our superpower.
Love is everything. And when we tap into that
frequency, and when that resonates with each and every
one of us, and we understand that we are, each and every one
of us, a member of 1 Common human family, and that we are
not alone in the universe and that we are loved and that we
are protected and that we are envisioned to live lives of
promise and purpose. And I live a life of promise and
purpose. And I don't let anything dark
come near me. Nothing is allowed to come near
me. Well, that's for sure.
I have no doubt that you're going to attack this latest
ailment with the same level of intent that you.
Can. Experience at Bay, you know with
without question. Do you consider yourself like a
medium of any kind? No.
Not at all. I'm everything.
We're all everything. I don't put labels.
I, I do not. I, I manipulate energy, but I
don't list myself as a witch. I have witchy characteristics.
I am able to do things that other people cannot do.
I am able to leave my body when I'm laying on a table and look
at myself being, you know, I like CT scan.
I watched from above and I didn't move a muscle because
they had to line that mask up exactly right.
So I didn't move a muscle. I laid there like I was looking
at a dead body on an ice slab. And that was 2 days ago in the
hospital in the morning. I am unaffected, completely
unaffected, by anything in this realm that challenges me.
I will not tolerate conflict, I will not tolerate discord.
I will not tolerate hatefulness, and I am all about spreading the
light and the love. There is one message and one
message only. And I don't care what people do
or what they say or how they this perversion of faith that
has happened around the world. Perversion of faith.
That's how we got Hamas. That's how we got this.
That's how we got that. You know, I mean, we are in a
place now of, of absolute revolution and evolution.
And the word love is in both of those words.
The word love is in both of those words.
I blame social media. Your attention on that.
I blame social media, even though that's.
That's terrible to say because we have for everything.
I mean, we, we unfortunately, we're social media babies here,
you know, and it's John's, you know, that's where he built his,
his audience. That's the sort of the new way
of doing things. But I truly believe it is an
existential threat, certainly to civility.
It's made an. Existential threat to civility.
And it's, yeah, it's really been, you know, people can just
say things and they don't think. About.
Consequences. And they don't care who.
If you got, you got. It's like, it's like when I deal
with, it's like when I deal with spirits and I tell people
everyone's like, oh, it's so negative.
This is so negative. And it's like, no.
No, it's not. The problem is it's.
The problem is, is that the negative for some odd reason
gets is more loud than the positive.
And it's the same with social media.
Social media can bring people together and bring communities
together, but at the same time it can tear things apart when it
tears things. Apart Enrage.
Things louder and but it's not. Enragement is engagement.
Exclusive, John. They're not mutually exclusive.
Both can be true at once, I agree.
That's wherein lies your problem.
Exactly. Exactly.
You know, it's wild, isn't it? Yeah.
What a world we're living. What a world we're living.
What a world, what a world we. We have the power to change it.
We do. We do and I believe that and I
will believe that till I draw my last breath on this earth, I
will never stop. I will never stop.
I want to bring light into people's lives.
And you know what? When I am in a group of people
and I'm doing an event and people walk up to me and they
wrap their arms around me and they start to sob.
And they tell me things that they've never told anyone ever,
ever. Not their parents, not their
siblings, not their spouse. But they tell me because they
know that I'm trustworthy. And what they're telling me I
can say to them and look in their eyes and say I believe
you. And those 3 words are just as
powerful as I love you. That is true.
That is, that is, that is true. When you give somebody a let's
let them know and that you're listening.
Being a listener as opposed to talkers is great.
And they sob because they've been touched by spirit and they
don't understand and it's scary to them.
And I tell them be not afraid. There is nothing to be afraid
of. We are more powerful.
When people tell me they're having an issue in their house,
I'm like sit down and make 2 cups of tea and put a nice
little piece of China on the table and have a talk with the
spirit that you consider offending you.
Andy, what? First of all, again, thank you
for your time here and I don't want to keep you too much
longer. You've given us a lot of time.
Really appreciate it, an amazing interview.
Really, what are some questions you?
My pleasure you you both. You couldn't be more delightful
and I will join you anytime. I know I'm very, I'm in like
really metaphysical headspace today.
I love it. No, no, I love it because what I
want to know is you have put so many pieces together.
You have made very clear decisions of what you have
experienced. You've, you know, categories.
What questions do you have still about what you're you've
experienced? Are there any, Are there any?
No, there's no. You have no questions you want
left unanswered. I wanted to make sure that my
mother I wanted. I had a friend.
I have a friend who's a medium. She called me a few months ago
when my baby sister April died in 2017.
She died quite suddenly and tragically from a fentanyl
overdose that was given to her by her doctor and she was only
51 years old. She was two weeks away from her
52nd birthday. It fucking devastated our
family. It absolutely lost our baby girl
for no good reason other than a really botched prescription.
And April came to us and before she was supposed to go in and
have surgery on her neck, she came and she brought her little
dog Sammy down here so that he could stay while she was in the
hospital. And the next morning when my my
niece went to pick her mom up to take her to the hospital, she
found her body. And it was that was like kind of
the the beginning of the end, you know, because it we were no
longer a family of seven. And yet we still are.
And yet April is there. So anyway, my friend Kristen
calls me and she's like, you have a question for your mother.
And this is mom passed away in June of last year.
And she said you have a very specific question for your
mother. And I said, well, let me think
because I didn't expect to hear from her.
And I said yes. I need to know if mom and April
are together. That's all I need to know if mom
and April are together. And she got very quiet and then
she said most important impactful words to me.
She said pineapple upside down cake.
When April came down, she wanted mom to make her a pineapple
upside down cake. And mom kept putting her off and
saying I'll do it after your surgery.
But she never came home. And and I knew that when Kristen
said that, that they were together because my mother
regretted that to the last breath, that she never made that
cake for April. And that's all April asked for
and it's all she wanted. And mom didn't make the cake for
her because she was going to make it when she came home to
recover from the surgery. And I know that they are
together. And I know, as hard it is as it
is not to be able to feel them in my arms anymore, I feel them
in my heart and I embrace them and I feel the healing that's
coming from them. And I am so grateful to you and
to John and to everybody who is being supportive and so kind and
compassionate and generous of spirit.
We are all spirit. Each and every one of us is a
form of spirit. We're just having a human
experience right now, and all we need to do is breathe and flip
over and float and find our way because the universe knows the
way home. You know, what's top shelf about
you, Annie, is that I ask you a question of like, what is there
something you you know that you don't want to know?
And the story and you say no and the story you give is so
personal and like, I know I got it.
I'm covered. I know my mom's there.
I know my sister's there. I don't, I don't really.
I'm I got it. I got all the answers I need and
that is quite. That is quite.
I agree. I mean, listen, remove, remove
all the experiences you had at the farm.
Remove all of this. And Annie, you are such a
pleasant person to speak to. That is wild.
It's you know, this has been an amazing interview.
So thank you for that. Thank you for you know
everything. We will, of course, we're going
to put the go fund me up again. That link will be in the
description here and in the link tree in my bio for The Conjuring
house that they're trying to keep it preserved.
I think that's being the face of that is Jason Hawes.
You guys would know the OG from ghost hunters who spawned a lot
of babies here in social media and elsewhere to get into ghost
hunting. I don't realize, I don't know if
he realizes what he's done to the world of the paranormal by
doing that show, creating people like my nephew here to start,
you know, but it's I love it. It's it's funny, but we'll post
that for you. I mean, you should you clearly
have a passion for it. We want to help you out any way
we can. We we thank you for your time
and your story is, is one of one.
I think people I, I want people to look at it as, as your story
is one of survival on many fronts and coping and living
with what one would think might be the most horrible situation
to be in and recognizing you can easily get through it with
understanding education. Read a fucking book, learn about
what this is, understand what you're dealing with and you can
get through all of it. And I really find it your
outlook on not only on what spirits are, but how to deal
with them and how to move past it is, is something that is, I
think, I don't know. I hope our audience likes it.
I love it. It's sort of it, it paints a
bigger picture for us in this quest of trying to figure out
what are we dealing with and what are all these people
talking to on these spirit boxes.
And I'd love to get you and I love getting your perspective,
Annie. I really appreciate it.
I really appreciate your time. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you so much.
I will join you anytime. Pick a subject, any subject that
is great because I'm pretty sure that that Harry and the
Hendersons are extra dimensional beings that just pop in and
we're never going to find a carcass.
It's I'm just, that's all I got to say about that.
They're just, you know, they're visiting.
They're just visitors, like so many other visitors to the
planet. And you know, so that's my take
on cryptids. We can skip that episode and
just go right into the extraterrestrials the next time
because I have friends in my places.
I would, we would love that as I would love that.
I would love to dive into all that.
We haven't even we haven't even gotten it.
I haven't even gotten my head around.
I got, I'm just, Andy, I'm just trying to get a handle on ghosts
now. And it's like you're now trying
to figure out like skinwalkers and shit like that.
I mean, you got to be out of your mind.
It's like you're going to worry about aliens now too.
It's like. No, there's nothing to worry
about. You see, we're the danger, not
them. They pose no danger and no
threat to us. We're the danger.
What I always say is the one we're the living I don't want.
To hear the living this. Yeah.
Fear the living, not the dead. Fear the living, not dead.
If they're a lot, I great get all up in this and probe things
that I don't necessarily want probes.
Yeah, you might like it, Gary. You might worry.
About that, yeah. I might like it, it's fair
enough. And, and I did not say that John
said that. I said that OK.
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