1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 What do you want to do next? What's the next big thing you 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,400 want? The next thing I really want to 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,280 start is my the windows. I need to replace all the 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,120 windows. Yeah, it's it's 130 year old 5 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:14,080 windows and they're wooden framed and a lot of them just 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,760 are like need replaced I. Thought you were going to say 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,000 something like we were to turn the basement into a dungeon of 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,880 some kind. No, no, no, I just keep. 9 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,720 The windows assessed dunge it where people get shot. 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Hey everybody, do us a quick favor and hit follow and smash 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,160 that like or Subscribe button wherever you're listening right 12 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:45,320 now. It'll help us keep getting great 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,200 guests and make it so you don't miss the next episode. 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Now out with the show. Welcome to splintered spirits. 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 I'm your host, Gary, along with my nephew John Santa from Santa 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Paranormal. And today we're checking into 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,880 one of the most famously haunted places in America, the Shanley 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,240 Hotel. This place has lived several 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,280 lives, built in the 1800s, burned to the ground in 1895, 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,040 rebuilt in six months, then reborn under the Shanley family 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,440 with a little Irish Mafia lore baked into the walls. 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,800 It's been a boarding house, a bar, a brothel, and a second 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,040 home for generations of locals, prison guards, and now ghost 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,160 hunters. Inside there, more than fifty 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,200 reported spirits, a child named Rosie who loves teachers, ladies 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,080 of the evening Anna and Maddie with very specific types. 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,120 One of them likes John's beard, a bouncer named Frank who 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,040 sometimes goes for the Throat, and a ghost cat called Sweet 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Thing who still prowls the halls. 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,920 Guests capture disembodied voices, screams, full body 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,120 apparitions and Evps while ITC sessions spit out card values, 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,440 dice rolls, and critique boring guests. 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Our guest is the person who couldn't stay away. 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,560 Kelly Hammerling first walked into the Shanley in 2011 just as 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,400 a guest, felt instantly at home and never really left. 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,600 After the previous owner passed, she stepped in, took over, and 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,200 now lives there full time as its caretaker, historian, and 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,800 adopted family member of the spirits that call it home. 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,520 From portal rooms and a scrying closet to bury treasure rumors, 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,480 and a mysterious missing Ledger that might tie back to mob 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,280 secrets, the Shanley is less a single haunting and more a 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,600 living, breathing eco system of afterlife consciousness. 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,600 In this episode, we talk about what it means to share your 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,600 everyday life with the dead, how intelligent these haunts really 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,560 are when you start playing games with them, and why this boutique 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,400 hotel in small town New York might be a beacon on the Ley 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,640 lines for whatever spirits are. Let's check into the Shanley 48 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:41,600 Hotel. Hey, everybody, do us a quick 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,360 favor and hit follow and smash that like or subscribe button 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,880 wherever you're listening right now. 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,480 It'll help us keep getting great guests and make it so you don't 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,200 miss the next episode. Now on with the show. 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,080 Kelly, welcome to Splendored Spirits. 54 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:58,760 Thank you. Thanks for coming in and showing 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,840 everybody support and we appreciate it. 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,520 Well, thank you for doing this. I'd appreciate it. 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,280 And I don't like cameras. And she'd rather be with ghosts 58 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,160 in a haunted hotel than a camera with the living. 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,240 We're going to get in all that Kelly, because it's your story 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,720 is a fascinating 1 to me. And look, for anybody who was 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,680 watching this, they're probably fans of the paranormal and 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,520 they've certainly heard of the Shanley hotel. 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,480 I mean, it's you've had multiple guests there from the O GS like 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,520 Jason Hawes to the young hot influencers like Sam and Colby. 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,480 Been through there for anybody listening who or watching who 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,760 doesn't know what it is what is the what's the 90 the 60 to 92nd 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 version or pitch in the Shanley what is the history of this 68 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,640 place quickly. The history how do you sell it? 69 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,200 Original hotel was built in 1845, burned to the ground in 70 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,720 1895, rebuilt in six months and it got started Getting his 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,960 notoriety from the Shanley family. 72 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,640 The Shanley's took over in 19 O 6 and a little bit of Irish 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Mafia involved in that and always a hotel, though always a 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,400 boarding house, always that transient energy. 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,160 Back in the 90s, nineteen 90's, the house went dormant went the 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,000 bar that was there went out of business and it sat on 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,000 unattended and vacant for a close to 15 years. 78 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:32,880 And then the former owner, Salad Salvatore Nicosia, purchased the 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,720 hotel at a tax auction. And he always said the building 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,320 called to him and the place was destroyed. 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,280 It was just gutted and destroyed. 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,080 He had a lot of work ahead of him. 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,440 And I started coming to the hotel in 2011 as a guest and I 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,080 guess I never left. And then Sal passed away in 85 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,920 2015. I stepped away for a couple 86 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,640 years after he passed and the place went back up for tax 87 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,360 auction. And I ended up getting the the 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,280 Long story short, I ended up getting the hotel from the 89 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:11,960 person who bought it at tax auction. 90 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,560 And I there this the spirits have become my second family. 91 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,480 And that's my second home. Now it's my first home because I 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,800 live here. But it's it's always calls to 93 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,080 you. There's a lot of people that 94 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 come back a time and time and time again that feel like it's 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,160 home. Wow. 96 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Do you remember that first time you walked in? 97 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,480 Did did you get AI mean in terms of the sense of any sort of 98 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,600 feeling or in the building? Yeah, I did. 99 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,760 The very first time I came, I came as a guest, not a non 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,240 sleep. It was a non sleepover. 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,440 I just came by myself and they had an event going on and I just 102 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,120 walked in and went, this is this feels like home, you know? 103 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,000 And I met Sal the time and I just kept coming back. 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,640 I was hooked. I was hooked. 105 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,040 What do you think kept pulling you back weekend after weekend? 106 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,600 I don't know the energy, the energy just spirits and were. 107 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,120 You an investigator? Were you like doing that kind of 108 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,080 thing or were you? Just I always had the, I always 109 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,920 had the pull, you know, to go paranormal or I always like 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 spooky stuff. I always was into all that 111 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,760 stuff. I always had an interest in it, 112 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,720 but it was the first time I ever, ever really did a parallel 113 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,040 investigation was that night in 2011. 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,120 And did you? Get anything good? 115 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,040 Yeah, I mean, I was just observing. 116 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,680 I was just watching everybody else doing this stuff. 117 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,240 I didn't have any equipment, you know? 118 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,000 I just, you know, it's an event that psychic mediums were there 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,360 and a lot of people had equipment, but some really cool 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,200 stuff had happened. But, you know, I was hooked. 121 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,160 I kept coming back again and again and. 122 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,280 You didn't get freaked out. Nothing scared you. 123 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:01,280 You're just like, that's great. Well, I lie, there was something 124 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:05,200 in the very, very end before I left at 2O clock in the morning. 125 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,320 Just it was just me and one of the investigators and we had 126 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,880 gone up, up to the upper level and into one of what they call 127 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,400 the portal rooms. And something really, really 128 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,120 strange happened up there. And I was like, OK, I'm out of 129 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,000 here. Was that the room when we first 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 walked up in there and I told Brian, I'm like, don't enter 131 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 that room? There is. 132 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,600 The second one is a different one, yeah. 133 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,400 But yeah, it's some really creepy stuff happened. 134 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Well, we were running a spirit box. 135 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,760 We were running an SP7 spirit box. 136 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,720 And then just two of us standing there, He also had a millimeter. 137 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,720 And that is when there's a digital readout of temperature 138 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,520 and your EMF. And the temperature was holding 139 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,520 at about 72 when we were up there. 140 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:04,280 And all of a sudden, through the spirit box, this voice came 141 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,240 through and and it was a good four or five sentences. 142 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,440 And I can only tell you it sounded like Klingon. 143 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Yeah, it was in a tongue, that deep, deep voice. 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,400 And I'm like, what the hell was that? 145 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,520 And the investigator goes, I never heard that voice before. 146 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 And he goes, who's here? It happened again. 147 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 And he goes, OK, I said, I'm out. 148 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,960 I'm out. I'm down the hallway, and when 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 we got to the end of the hallway, he said. 150 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Well, I didn't want to tell you. Just as that voice was coming 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,680 through, the temperature gauge went from 70 something to 666. 152 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,240 Wow, 60. 666 point. Six, I assumed. 153 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,760 I assumed you didn't burn up. That's. 154 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Big ups for the Star Trek. That's I think that that now 155 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Kelly, have you have. You. 156 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,800 I can do it, but it hurts my throat. 157 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,560 Have you ever? Heard. 158 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,280 You know what? Imitate what I heard. 159 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,760 It was not not fun. Have you ever heard that again? 160 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,400 That room does. That room does throw off some 161 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,960 really weird energy. There's people that go in there 162 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,720 and feel nauseous immediately. There's people that go in there 163 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 and feel fine. It depends on the night. 164 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Have you ever heard that voice again since or? 165 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,120 No, no, have not. And is that a room? 166 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Guest has even tried actually. Oh wow. 167 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Gone back there with that it was and tried to go, hey, you back. 168 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Wow, we're getting. Sad again? 169 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,640 Now that was a little scary. That was that was different. 170 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,400 Is that a room that guests can sleep in? 171 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,040 No, no. OK, Yeah. 172 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Do you think that the entity that you heard may have been 173 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,480 something you later identified here? 174 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:03,280 I don't think so. I've never, this was not a void, 175 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:08,600 a language that I knew like it was Klingon or, or, you know, 176 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,480 like that, you know, or. Talking in tongues or something 177 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,080 Weird, right? Yeah. 178 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,320 So yeah, it was a tongue that it just, it was, I didn't like it. 179 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,640 Now that's amazing because this. Was using the SP. 7SP7 you. 180 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Know for obviously for the most you know the SP7 that's the you 181 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,600 know off FM and AM radio so to hear. 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,560 Yeah, and it was not human. It it was just not 2 words. 183 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:37,480 It was a full two or three sentences each time. 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,800 And I'm like, no, no, I'm out. And that's when I went back down 185 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,360 the hallway, but it's, I've been in that, that room after that, 186 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,600 obviously, but and I, I felt like heaviness and I felt chest 187 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,960 pains and were really bad headaches sometimes, but nothing 188 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,680 I didn't, I don't run equipment in there. 189 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,480 I just get in and out when I have to and. 190 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,560 You still went and bought this place, which is, which is, I 191 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,000 mean, it's amazing to me. Yeah, well, most of the spirits 192 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,880 here, we have what we call an intelligent haunt. 193 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,120 Most of the spirits here, it's not residual energy. 194 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,960 They have their own characters, their own personalities. 195 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Most of them I would follow. My second family. 196 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,040 Well, I seem to miss. Tell me, tell me the main cast, 197 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,040 who are the main characters in this in this family? 198 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,960 There's so many little Rosie, she's three years old. 199 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,320 We have ladies of the evening, Anna and Maddie. 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,680 We have Frank the bouncer who likes to strangle me sometimes 201 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,200 and I he says I like it. Wait a second. 202 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,360 Let's stop. Let's stop, he said. 203 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,760 He, he strangles you sometimes. You feel you, you you're 204 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,720 telling. Are you saying? 205 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,440 Are you saying you physically feel? 206 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,440 I do. I feel like Tom's on my Adam's 207 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,800 apple. Yeah. 208 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,880 And but I, I was explaining it one night and I do have the the 209 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,840 evidence on that. I, I was explaining that to one 210 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,760 of my guests. I said, yeah, Frank's the 211 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,360 bouncer. He doesn't like the women, and 212 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,600 he's actually. With the chair upstairs. 213 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,880 Right at that, with permission with the Frank is up in the 214 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,680 brothel. Up in the brothel, all the those 215 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,000 sheriff's upstairs is Joe. Yes, yes, yes. 216 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,560 OK. But he he right through the 217 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:28,760 machine. I said yes. 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,480 And Frank has strangled me a couple times and he goes, well, 219 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,120 you liked it and the the guest goes, you liked it. 220 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,800 And I get, I joke about, I guess, I guess I talk about it a 221 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,160 lot. So he thinks I do, you know, but 222 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,200 it's not, it's not, that's not scary to me. 223 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,360 That's an experience. I've gotten scratched a couple 224 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,280 times. And that's I think a little bit 225 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,240 of a warning, like don't get too cocky. 226 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,360 You don't own the place. We do type of thing that I that 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,520 that this is their, this is their home. 228 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,680 I'm the caretaker and I remind people as they come in as 229 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:10,680 guests, you're walking into their territory, you're walking 230 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:12,680 into their home. Just respect that. 231 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,000 From the history of this building, as you said it was 232 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,240 built in the mid 1800s and there was a fire in the in the late 233 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,520 1800s, what parts of the early history do you feel most 234 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,880 directly connect to the current hauntings? 235 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,040 I've gotten some of the spirits saying 1855, so that was the 236 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,080 original building. But most of them I would say is 237 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,800 the 1895 of, you know, there was a lot going on. 238 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,640 I believe that when you're dealing with mafia secrets, 239 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,920 there's probably not a lot that can be even validated. 240 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,200 But what we get is incredible stuff. 241 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,840 You know, you're never not going to know. 242 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,160 You're never going to know the real stories behind a lot of 243 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,560 that stuff that goes on. Yeah, yeah. 244 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,160 Where do you feel, where in the building do you feel the story 245 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,560 of the Shanleys the most 'cause they had some personal tragedies 246 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,320 correct with? Their they did. 247 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 They're all, I mean, nobody's locked in a room. 248 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,520 They can go anywhere. So, you know, the Shanleys, 249 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,960 Beatrice and James are here. Absolutely, absolutely. 250 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,840 Are they here all the time? I don't know we don't hear of 251 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,160 them every night. Are they observing? 252 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,760 Are they watching over their their their home? 253 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Probably, you know it's and we have over 50 spirits, you know, 254 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,880 known to us, you know, common commoners that you know we. 255 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:50,720 That's our being modest. We had spirits come and go, 256 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,280 we'll hear a new name, get their little bit of a story, and 257 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,640 they'll hang around for three or four days and then we never hear 258 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,400 from them again. Now, whether they just get 259 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,080 pushed to the side, you know, and they're just still here and 260 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,880 observing, I don't know. I guess we'll never know. 261 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Who's the most active? Which spirit? 262 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Ends on the night. It depends on the night. 263 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Yeah, we have Adam, who? Who claims to be a serial 264 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,920 killer. Adam's not his real name, but we 265 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,240 have Frank, We have Anna. Is there something happening 266 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,080 though, that might bring out a particular spirit when they're 267 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:27,880 there? Or is it? 268 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,720 I think it's the energy of the guests. 269 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,120 I think it's whatever attracts them. 270 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,240 They're like, oh, this person's interesting. 271 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,880 John, for instance. It's. 272 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Interesting, somebody who's a fan of his already. 273 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,280 Already from the second. Who's? 274 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,680 The fan from the second John walked in. 275 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Who's this over there in? That corner, No. 276 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,880 There's not far for I am Anna. I am Anna. 277 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Holy shit. Hi, Anna. 278 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,560 Hi, Anna. Dude, Anna. 279 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,080 I said SEC. The second John walked in, I 280 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,800 said Anna's going to love you. Yeah, and she was. 281 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Kelly was 100%. She couldn't be more correct. 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,920 John is handsome. Oh dude, is that Anna just said 283 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,360 John is handsome. So wait, so Anna is one of the 284 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,000 ladies of the evening you mentioned earlier? 285 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Yes, but she worked here. She was a a call girl in the 286 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,760 brothel here. Yep, and she's. 287 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Right. She wants Judd. 288 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Did you tell her you have money or something? 289 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Like, what is she? You know what's going. 290 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,760 It's just that, listen, it's that spiritual risk. 291 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,960 I get it. I. 292 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Got it everywhere I go, you know? 293 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,640 That's true. Now, Kelly, you said you told 294 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,880 them ahead of time. How did you? 295 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,920 Why did you think that was going to happen? 296 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,480 I just know they're per type. You know, beard is one thing. 297 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Facial hair is an absolute. Like you have to have facial 298 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,160 hair for her to to cap an attraction and you know they 299 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,280 don't. And she'll say, she'll say right 300 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,400 through like the Estes meth and we stuff. 301 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,800 The man will hear. I like your beard, you know? 302 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,400 So yeah. And then Maddie's the opposite. 303 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,319 Maddie likes the younger clean cut guys. 304 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:22,480 So yeah, yeah, they all have their types, I said. 305 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Their personalities shine. I know their voices. 306 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,960 You know when you've been here so long and they become part of 307 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,840 you or part of your family? And that's, and that's one of 308 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,280 the things I find so interesting, Kelly, is you've 309 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,120 been here for a while, even before you own the place you 310 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,520 were here and you have such an amazing rapport with these 311 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,280 spirits. You know, you, you really do. 312 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,080 And I find that very interesting. 313 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,240 And just touch on something else that she said about this place 314 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,400 drawing people. I've already been doing this my 315 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,800 third time in what, in less than two months is my third time 316 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,560 back. And I'm going to keep coming 317 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,000 back. So it's true. 318 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,840 There is this, you get drawn here and, and every time I've 319 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,800 come here so far, it's been a different experience. 320 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,880 So, and I guarantee tonight's not going to be any different. 321 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,840 I'm gonna have a completely different experience than I did 322 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,320 the first two times. So Kelly, you know, have you 323 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,600 ever been surprised by anything with in terms of like the 324 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,560 behavior, as in the consistency of the behavior? 325 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,280 You said now you know, Anna likes guys with beards. 326 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,360 That's pretty consistent. You can call on it. 327 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,680 Have you made any of other discoveries like that with some 328 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,880 of the other regulars or secondary spirits? 329 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,120 That you've Rosie loves, loves, loves teachers. 330 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,200 We can have four or five people in a room and all of a sudden 331 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,160 she'll come through and I'm like, none of you are teachers 332 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,880 are you? And, you know, two of them will 333 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,680 be, you know, she's just drawn to that energy or it doesn't 334 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,600 even have to be teacher. That's just working with 335 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,240 children, whether it's, you know, kindergarten teacher or, 336 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:10,880 you know, working in a social, social children with children, 337 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,880 you know, nursery school, something like that. 338 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,000 Yeah, she's really very drawn to that. 339 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,920 We also have because I guess it's because it's Irish mafias. 340 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:27,360 A lot of the spirits are very aware when somebody walks in and 341 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,840 is a police officer or law enforcement. 342 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,520 Yeah, it's they call them out. I mean, I'll have 20 people in A 343 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,800 room, don't know anybody. You know, it's a public event. 344 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,760 And all of a sudden through the machine you'll go, he's a cop. 345 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:48,280 And I'm like, that was weird. And they'll just keep saying it 346 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,640 and I'll go, OK, who is the police officer or security 347 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,720 guard? It doesn't have to be in police 348 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,200 officer. It could be security guard. 349 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,880 You know, anything that with that official and one guy will. 350 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,560 I am. How did they know that? 351 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,680 And I'm like, they just know. They just know. 352 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,160 And yeah, it's, it's crazy. They'll know. 353 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,040 And we, the one guy asked one night, they called him out and 354 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,560 he's like, how do you know that I'm a police officer? 355 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,520 They responded. It's your vibe. 356 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,280 It's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. 357 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,960 So it's. That's that it. 358 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,080 That explain you know, the stuff that has happened. 359 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:36,920 We've had many times loved ones come through for our guests that 360 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,920 just, it's crazy the stuff that has come through. 361 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,640 I've had and I don't want to get into it too much, but I had one 362 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,960 time a group of ladies that came that their community had been 363 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:57,480 affected by TWA Flight 1 of OK. Yeah, yeah. 364 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,320 The one that exploded in the city. 365 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,320 OK, yes, correct. Yeah. 366 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,560 So that, that, that wasn't a really amazing experience. 367 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,760 It was very moving. So it that was, it's incredible 368 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,920 stuff. Is there is there a area within 369 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,040 the hotel where the personal experiences happened? 370 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,240 Seance Room. I was about to and I was just 371 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,760 about to say I don't say. Why? 372 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,720 Maybe it's because that was their formal dining room when 373 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,320 the Shanleys opened it and it was destroyed and undone for. 374 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Most of the entertaining happened in the. 375 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,880 But I just renovated that a couple of years ago because it 376 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,280 was just all storage. Sal Houston Park is riding lawn 377 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,560 mower in there. It was bad and I redid the whole 378 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,840 thing and now it's called our SEANCE room. 379 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,480 And maybe it's because I designated the SEANCE room, or 380 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,880 it's just a general meeting area for people to get together 381 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,640 because it was their formal dining room. 382 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,360 They probably had dancing and musicians in there. 383 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,320 Yeah, that's where most of the personal experiences come 384 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,640 through. Where what did you get the most 385 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,960 of in the hotel? Is it EVPITC or is it through 386 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 mediumship? Like where is the most evidence 387 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,880 usually generate? I would say ITC, but EVP, we 388 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:34,240 have phenomenal EBTEVPS the the Shanley is known for EVP S but I 389 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,000 and I encourage anybody who comes here, even though it's 390 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,240 like a public event, I said it's their event and it's their 391 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,360 investigation. And but we have a lot of people 392 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,320 that are newbies that have never done this before. 393 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,720 But we asked people, you know, our hint is before you come, 394 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,320 make sure you have a recording device, whether it's your phone 395 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,720 or a digital recorder. And I tell them while they're 396 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,680 here, do not, do not stop recording. 397 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,520 Maybe break it up a little bit so it's easier to listen to 398 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,320 later on. But I said, you never know when 399 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,200 they're talking to you. We've had people go home, go 400 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,400 out. It was quiet, Nothing happened. 401 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,040 And then they'll listen to their evidence and they'll say, I was 402 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,040 walking down the hallway by myself and you hear right behind 403 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,760 you, you know, So you just never know. 404 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Well, we had a little. Experience before I started 405 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,320 streaming when I was setting everything up I remember I think 406 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,240 it wasn't here at the table right? 407 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,480 Did that happen where something was like, oh, we might need to 408 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,520 check the cameras I. Can't remember. 409 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Can't remember. I think it was the second time I 410 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,760 was here. OK. 411 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,480 Yeah, we had. So I wasn't streaming yet, so, 412 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,120 you know, nothing was recording or what not, right. 413 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Like, I was actually firing everything up or I was showing 414 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,120 you what I was using that even I can't remember exactly, but it 415 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,840 was something, you know, it was like, yeah. 416 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,760 You never know. You never know talking to you. 417 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,160 So you know we, we have disembodied voices, we have 418 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,000 screams, we have, we have the gamut. 419 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:05,240 Full body preparations. Is it, does the room sort of 420 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,600 dictate the experience? I know you said a lot of things 421 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,960 happen in this seance room, but are there other rooms where 422 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,560 you're more apt to get a certain type of thing or a certain you 423 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,680 know that it might be scarier here or it might be this there 424 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,960 because. Of yeah, the upper floor, upper 425 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,920 floor is a little scarier. I feel that's the where the more 426 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:30,360 the darker energies lurk. The basement is a little is, you 427 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,720 know, the basement. I'll go down the basement and 428 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,360 there's kids down there. There's a lot of times there's 429 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,720 the kids down there, whether they're hiding or they're 430 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,640 playing. I don't you know, but it's 431 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,520 crazy. We have a we have at least 432 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,640 probably 7 or 8 children spirits here. 433 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,240 Why the hell are they in the basement? 434 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,880 What were these kids doing in the basement? 435 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,160 About a lot of times we're getting an EVPS, what are you 436 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,480 doing? And I will ask what are you 437 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,120 doing here? We're hiding, so there is a 438 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,280 character couple character spirits here that they may be 439 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,720 hiding. Has anyone asked what are you 440 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,720 hiding from? Yeah, well, we have we have a 441 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,800 couple darker energies. So I and we have James Shanley 442 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,920 we feel is like they call them pops, the spirits, the kids 443 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,520 spirits call them Pops. So and he says he protects the 444 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,880 children. So because he he had tragedy 445 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,520 both of his own, he lost. Do people get experiences here 446 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,760 from outside the spirits that are there? 447 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,640 Like do people get their family coming in when they do seances 448 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 in this hotel or is it mainly they're communicating? 449 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,920 In the dining room, the seance room, we get a lot of personal 450 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,880 experiences, but their own loved ones coming through have. 451 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,720 You ever had a? Have you ever had a shut a 452 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,680 session down? Set we had. 453 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,400 I'm sorry, Mike, what was it? Have you ever had to shut a 454 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,200 session down like things were getting too intense or you're 455 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,600 worried about your guests? No, not really. 456 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,040 There's been a couple times that we've had guests affected that 457 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,160 we took them out of the room, you know, personally, but we 458 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480 haven't actually shut the session down. 459 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,240 Well, we probably have taught a couple short. 460 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,280 We said OK, that's enough. You know, let's matter of fact 461 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,840 that happened the other other night that I wasn't in the room, 462 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,480 but it was in the basement and we had some teenage girls and 463 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240 there was some stuff coming through the equipment that was 464 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,040 starting to get inappropriate. And she just said, OK, we're not 465 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,680 dealing with that, you know, and then cut, cut, cut it short. 466 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,600 All right, look, the Shanley's been featured on on a lot of 467 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,960 shows as well, not just the ghost hunters coming through for 468 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,880 their own YouTube channels, but like ghost hunters, ghost labs, 469 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,680 right? It's a, it's a, it is a state a, 470 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,520 a, a real stop for, for ghost hunters and investigations are 471 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,440 there. What do you think those 472 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,120 portrayals get right? Have they ever missed anything? 473 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,840 Have they ever have? When you've watched the 474 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,240 portrayal of your hotel on TV, is there anything they're 475 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:13,560 missing or they're not saying? No, you know, they they've told 476 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,600 their experiences here, you know, and not, and not every 477 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,560 night is really active. I mean, some nights we have 478 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,040 quiet nights that are like, come on guys, please come out. 479 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,000 You know, the whole film cruise here, come on, don't get camera 480 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 shy now. But there's times that, you 481 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,880 know, it's like you don't get much. 482 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280 You never they're they're intelligent haunts. 483 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400 I always tell people when they come in, it's not like ATV show, 484 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480 it's not that you're filming here for an entire week. 485 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,440 We're trying to cram that in just a few hours and you might 486 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,240 not get much. But you know, we just say they 487 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,680 don't have to talk to us. They they don't have to say 488 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,160 anything. It's their home. 489 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,440 They don't they don't feel like talking to us. 490 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,920 And I always tell people their good energy, their good vibes 491 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,600 coming in, good questions, intelligent questions. 492 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,680 You know, we've had, we've heard through the devices boring 493 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,240 guests like they're done with them. 494 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,280 Everybody's a critic. Could you imagine? 495 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,360 It's like you're sitting there trying to do a ghost hunt, and 496 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,720 the ghost is like, this guy's putting me to sleep and I've 497 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,680 been dead for 100 years. Like could you help? 498 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,680 Me, they, they had listen, they it's incredible what they'll 499 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,000 come up with. It's just dry humor. 500 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,720 I can't believe that just can happen. 501 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,040 I've done this since 2011. People go, don't you get bored? 502 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,600 And I'm like, well, some nights, you know, I feel like I have to 503 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,120 get out my tap shoes and entertain the guests because 504 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,760 they're not. But you know. 505 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,640 Some people are boring. It's it's just the way it goes. 506 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,560 I get it. But I, I, it's, it's whatever 507 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,440 they want to put to us, you know, and I always tell people, 508 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,920 the more you put into the investigation, the more you're 509 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000 probably going to get out of it. If you sit over there in the 510 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,760 corner on your phone and you expect them to engage with you, 511 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280 They're not. They're not, you know? 512 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Kelly, what are the locals think about the hotel? 513 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,640 Some of them. Some of them, you know, think 514 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,080 it's haunted, some of them don't. 515 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,520 But not too many of them actually have been in the hotel, 516 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320 unless they're the old timers from the 70s and 80s. 517 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,160 I call them old timers, but that's my age. 518 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,440 But, you know, it was a bar. But back in the 70s and 80s, it 519 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,560 was a big bar. You know, this was just the 520 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,840 hangout and. Have you ever heard any stories 521 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,800 from when it was a bar? Yeah, I've heard quite a few 522 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,520 stories of, you know, people sitting at the bar and seeing 523 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640 the lady in the white walking down the hallway. 524 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Oh. That's awesome. 525 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,280 And like, but some of them never believe I I never saw anything 526 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,520 while I'm there. Well, we don't see anything 527 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560 every night. So, you know, there's a lot of 528 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,920 you got to you're not in a loud environment, you're not 529 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,680 recording, you're not doing this. 530 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,040 You know, they're not a lot of times they're not going to come 531 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,760 out and go Boo, you know, You know, so it, I, we have a lot of 532 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,400 people that love the hotel from, from the people that live here, 533 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760 because it's a cornerstone of the community. 534 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,280 It's like one of the last big, you know, buildings around that 535 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560 were from the original, original 1800s. 536 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000 What do you do on Halloween? Do you like paying out candy to 537 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,480 kids? They come by and knock. 538 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,720 And are you the lady who owns the haunted hotel? 539 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Are they afraid of you? Yeah, some night that we we turn 540 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,680 off the lights a little early because a lot of nights on 541 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440 Halloween night we have our own event. 542 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,600 But, you know, I do, we do set a bowl out there and the kids come 543 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,280 up and, you know, if we are opening the door, they're 544 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280 peeking in like, Oh my God. Right. 545 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,840 Well, that's a that's a big thing, the events you guys host 546 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,480 a lot of events a lot like from. Can you tell us so? 547 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,640 So we have just basically when you can rent it the hotel as a 548 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560 private, so you can have the whole hotel to yourselves. 549 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,560 There's no other guests. Or you can rent it at, during a 550 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160 room at our public events. Because we have public events 551 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160 though you book an individual room, you come in, there's other 552 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,400 guests you don't know because everybody's booked an individual 553 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520 room. And we, we do a full paranormal 554 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,520 investigation from 8 PM to 12 midnight. 555 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120 And then after that it's free time where they can, they don't 556 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,720 have to go to bed. They can wander around all 557 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,040 night, not in everybody's room, but you know, in the open areas 558 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,040 that we leave open for investigation. 559 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,320 And that's our public ghost hunts. 560 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,720 And then we have special events. We have Scotty, the New Jersey 561 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Medium coming in with Cindy Casa in July that they're going to do 562 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240 a medium event and do a ghost hunt dinner with us. 563 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120 And then we just had My Bloody Valentine event that we, you 564 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,800 know, they're exclusive small events that we only book 5 rooms 565 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520 and we do a little dinner and, you know, a little bit of, you 566 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,280 know, investigating and some special activities. 567 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,600 So we have special events throughout the year that we do 568 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,640 with celebrities and our own stuff. 569 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,480 Got it. If you had unlimited funding for 570 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,600 for one major project in the on the chandelier, what would you 571 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,040 do first? There's so much I I have Patreon 572 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120 memberships because that's goes directly to repairs. 573 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,760 I just in the last two years I have probably repaired 2 side 574 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,280 porches, some signing the roof. I've probably done over $300,000 575 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,480 in repairs here in the last just four or five years. 576 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160 What do you want to do next? What's the next big thing you 577 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,440 want? A repair I have 3 stormers that 578 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,240 dormers need repairs. But the the next thing I really 579 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,400 want to start is my the windows I need to replace all the 580 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,240 windfows. Yeah, it's it's 30 year old 581 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200 windows and they're wooden framed and a lot of them just 582 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880 are like need replaced. I thought you were going to say 583 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080 something like we were to turn the basement into a dungeon of 584 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800 some kind. No, no, no, I just keep. 585 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Replace the windows. A cess dungeon where people get 586 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,920 shown it's a brothel for Christ. I know he's like, I'd really 587 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,400 like to get the brothel going. Again. 588 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,320 You know what? I mean. 589 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,880 We want to get that brothel up and running. 590 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,320 I need to hire some girls and like, no, what does she say? 591 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920 The windows. I want to read you the windows. 592 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,320 Well. I. 593 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,080 She's thinking like a businessman. 594 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,520 I know. I know, yeah. 595 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,880 Yeah, yeah, I'll be. The place is huge, by the way. 596 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080 My it's $900 every 10 days. So yeah, yeah. 597 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,800 But the big project I did was the the SEANCE room that was 598 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,880 from gutted. No heat, no electric, just 599 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,840 broken lath and plaster to. I'm pretty proud of the way it 600 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,200 has. $900 every 10 days. Yeah, I put in that waiver. 601 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,960 You're going to freeze your ass, so I'll bring a jacket. 602 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,760 I do say some of the places do become chilly. 603 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,520 I would have the whole place chilly. 604 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,800 But I also like, I would think, I would think like, you know 605 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,199 what, I'd like to put fixed rig cameras in all the public rooms 606 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,159 right to always. Cut. 607 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,159 I have. I already have security cameras 608 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,920 on in all the public areas. Like you could have this place 609 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,960 like a subscription, right, To just like live like, oh, you do 610 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,280 do that. So like John, remember how you 611 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,199 used to have it where you would have the camera and if you want 612 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,280 to watch the basement, like you could always log into the 613 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,960 Shandley and watch and see if you see or hear anything. 614 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,239 So that's that's what my Patreon is. 615 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,159 We do do live streaming from the security cameras and we also 616 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,159 have virtual ghost hunts where my Tracy and I will go around 617 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,320 and do a live. OK, tell everybody the link real 618 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,440 quick because I'll put it up when I. 619 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,480 Well we have Patreon is the Haunted Chandling Hotel through 620 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,960 Patreon, we have TikTok, the Haunted Chandling Hotel, we have 621 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,600 Facebook, the Haunted Chandling Hotel. 622 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,680 But Patreon is rarely where it starts at $2.00 a month and it's 623 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,480 just you get a lot of perks. You get a discount on any 624 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,680 purchases you get. We do a prize wheel every week 625 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,520 so they can win it like a Rampod one week or digital recorder the 626 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,880 next week. So we do a spin of a giveaways 627 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,080 for our Patreon members to get on a prize wheel depending on 628 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,560 the level, how many entries they get and all that money. 629 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,600 Like I said, we have security cameras where I can say, OK, 630 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,080 Patreon, we're having we sending you a link and you can watch the 631 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,320 basement all night and I'll set up some equipment, you know. 632 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,320 That's cool, that's very cool, smart. 633 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,920 That's really cool. All right, if I had never been 634 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,720 there and from everything you said, I doubt I'll ever go there 635 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,200 because it sounds terrifying, but it's terrifying. 636 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200 I mean, it's you know, the odds of me I'll be doing it during 637 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,400 the day with an army if. All things happen during the 638 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920 day. Great. 639 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,240 All right, so if you're going to give the when when you tell 640 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,480 guests like, OK, like we're going to do the Estes method 641 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,200 here or something, or you know, what room would you choose to 642 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,800 someone who's never been there before? 643 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,040 It's like, OK, you're going to you. 644 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,240 This is the This is the room you're going to do this in for 645 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,160 your first time here. We do the Estes method a lot in 646 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,840 the SEANCE room with like two or three people and the yeah, the 647 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,040 Bend basement. We have one area that we put 648 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,480 them down this lone tunnel by themselves in the dark and. 649 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,520 With the children. With the children, the. 650 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,080 Hiding children. You know, by themselves, we call 651 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120 it the portal down there and. Why do you call it the portal? 652 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,200 Yeah. And we have people who say, no, 653 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,400 not going down there, no. And we go, well, you did sign a 654 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,000 waiver. We can do anything we want. 655 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,320 I know a lot of people. A lot of people are good sports 656 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080 about it and they will try it. Why do you call it the portal, 657 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,520 Kelly? The energies, we've had many, 658 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,080 many mediums come through and say you've got portals in this 659 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,040 hotel and we have, we know at least we probably have 4 660 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,960 portals, meaning like a vortex where there's a like a doorway. 661 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,600 I can only just say, you know, it's like experience can come 662 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,320 and go. I don't know that. 663 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,080 I mean, that's the only way I can explain it because. 664 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,280 No, no, I get it. I get it. 665 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560 Side. No, no, I totally. 666 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,200 Get what's it? What's wild? 667 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,440 I've already done. I've done the s s method three 668 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,320 times here, the two times I've been here and I did the brothel 669 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,160 and I did the stride. I hate that room. 670 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,840 Why do you hate that room? I the energy in there. 671 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,160 I went into a, I mean, I haven't gone back to the live and looked 672 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,320 at it yet. We don't know if it was 40 673 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040 minutes, we don't know if it was over an hour. 674 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,080 But I was under for a long, long time and it was wild. 675 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,360 Like I don't drink coffee, I don't drink coffee. 676 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,400 I came out of there. I came out of there and I downed 677 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,200 all a whole cup of coffee, you know, and, and it was weird. 678 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,720 And was it, it was James that was talking about saying he 679 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,560 wanted coffee and I came out and I had a cup of coffee. 680 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,400 I was like, why don't I just have this? 681 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,560 It was an experience. Yeah, I don't like that room. 682 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920 It's just like a little closet, basically. 683 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,000 With with a mirror. And Sal always said that mirror 684 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,120 was donated to him by two mediums that bought it at a flea 685 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,640 market, and they had it in their own apartment. 686 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,160 And they like, Nope, Nope. Because they kept saying spirits 687 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,440 come in and out. They felt it was like a haunted 688 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,480 portal. And it's funny because we had a 689 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,080 psychic medium. I haven't seen the episode yet, 690 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,520 so I don't want to say anything. But she was talking about this 691 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,560 like a window where they can come in it, like when you look 692 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,080 through. So yeah. 693 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,800 And this is the scrying the room. 694 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600 Frying room and I, I it's a little closet where there's a 695 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,600 chair, there's electric candles and you look so you stare into 696 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,960 the mirror, which is supposedly haunted yeah, I don't like that 697 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,520 room I'll reach in and kind of turn the candles on without 698 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,920 trying to go in at all It's. Very tight too. 699 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,480 It's. Small, yeah. 700 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160 It's very small. And then there's one other room 701 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,960 that I don't like, which is one of our portal rooms up in 702 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,400 Kevin's room. OK, yeah. 703 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280 So that's that's the one. Is that the one upstairs when 704 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,920 you first came? Is that the room you're saying? 705 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600 No, that was a different one. That was a different one. 706 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440 That one, I kind of don't go in either. 707 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480 There's so there's I guess there's 33 rooms I don't like. 708 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,840 What's the other room? What's the basement? 709 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480 And who the hell is Kevin? Kevin. 710 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,600 Oh my gosh. Kevin is a prison guard. 711 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,120 We've, we've gotten Evps that you know, where did you work? 712 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:16,080 And he'll say cellblock 7 and we have a full blown operational 713 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,240 prison right across the street from us, maximum security 714 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:21,720 prison. So. 715 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,400 Is that what that building? Is. 716 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,760 Yeah, yeah, it's. So that is a prison. 717 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,080 That is a prison built in the 1900s. 718 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,640 It was originally like a boys reformatory and then it turned 719 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,000 into a prison in the 1920s or 30s every. 720 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,360 Time I'm out there having a cigarette, meet Brian, look at 721 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,240 each other and I go, Brian, that's got to be a present, 722 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,160 yeah. There's got isn't there a great. 723 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,720 Oh, it's OK. So what's the building across 724 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,000 the? St. building across the street 725 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,800 used to be like a post office and then a Firehouse I think. 726 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,320 Oh. OK, OK, OK. 727 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,680 Isn't there a great movie in this where like like prisoners 728 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,600 escape and then to hide out they pick this house? 729 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,040 Like let's just hide out here and then you know to to while 730 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,840 the cops are looking and then all shit goes bad and like the 731 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,680 ghosts get them or something I feel like. 732 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,920 It's a so when we jump around with the the cause we've kind of 733 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,760 locked down here. When when we're have guests, we 734 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,240 say, you know the door, the door gets locked. 735 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,360 Don't leave the door open because, you know, we have 736 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,600 people 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning trying to get, hey, 737 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,240 let's go into the haunted hotel. You know, so we, we already 738 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,240 allowed the guests in. So when they're in, the door 739 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,000 gets closed and it locks automatically. 740 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,720 But we also joke, you know, Hey, if they're wearing orange 741 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,320 jumpsuit, don't let them in. Oh my goodness. 742 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,520 Yeah, it is a maximum security prison, but that that's where we 743 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,240 think Kevin probably worked because I looked at 1930s and 744 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,200 40s census, New York State census from the Shanley Hotel. 745 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,720 And when you look at the census, they had to write their name, 746 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,960 who was occupying the building at the time. 747 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,400 And then the old census, they'd have to write what their 748 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,240 occupation was. And I found old census that 749 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,160 would say their name and then prison guard, prison guard, 750 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,560 prison garden. So they used to rent rooms to 751 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,120 the prison guards. So when you've when you've 752 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,600 looked at the history of the place, based on what you've 753 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,680 heard in Evps and ITC's here, did anything, does it tend to 754 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,720 match up a lot or have you found things that are giving you more 755 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,840 detail, like where have you ever found a discrepancy or like 756 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,600 something that made you dig deeper? 757 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160 Oh, there's so much stuff that we end up like trying to find 758 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,800 out. Dig deeper. 759 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,760 What has surprised you the most? Like what is something that 760 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,440 you've discovered that was like, Oh my God, that must be what 761 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,800 this means. Well, we've had, we've had 762 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,760 spirit and mediums talk about buried treasure. 763 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,080 So we're, we're still looking into that. 764 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,480 We've had a little bit of a pinpoint of somewhere in the 765 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,480 basement. So at some point we'll probably 766 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,560 dig around a little bit down there. 767 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,680 Every medium that comes through talks about a very important 768 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,720 journal that's hidden somewhere in this hotel and that it's a 769 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,120 big journal or Ledger and all that. 770 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,480 I can think of. It has to do something with 771 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,560 possibly the mafia or something like that. 772 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,160 I don't know but you. Think it's like a Shanley? 773 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,000 You think it was a Shanley journal or? 774 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,560 Like, I think so. I think so. 775 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,560 I don't know. I don't think why would somebody 776 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,200 hide just a journal of guests at entries. 777 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,760 No, I think this was more important and probably. 778 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,880 Boring. It's probably just like, you 779 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,200 know, numbers. Yeah. 780 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,760 Counting. Right. 781 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,160 You know I'm saying. Yeah, right. 782 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,560 Somebody running numbers, you can keep track of numbers woes. 783 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,280 What? You're talking about prohibition 784 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560 maybe, and then like running numbers and and it's from. 785 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,120 Well, James Shanley, James Shanley was a bootlegger. 786 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,960 Even in the in the history book, he was arrested with John 787 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,240 Powers. He was a bootlegger and they're 788 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,160 arrested for bootlegging back in the 1930s. 789 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,240 But it helps to know the Roosevelts. 790 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080 They got off pretty easily. Yeah, no, yeah, knowing the 791 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:26,080 president is pretty good stuff for for seasoned investigators 792 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,480 who think they've seen it all done at all. 793 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,680 What what challenge would you issue when they come to the 794 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,480 Shanley to try, you know, that they might that they might not 795 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,640 have done elsewhere. What should or would you make 796 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,080 sure they try like this is what you. 797 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,880 Well, I like to have them try games. 798 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,360 The intelligence of the spirits. A lot of nights you'll find some 799 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,240 of the spirits willing to play a dice game. 800 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,080 We roll the dice. We actually have. 801 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,720 We play a card game in the gentleman's quarters and we'll 802 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:06,720 have a guest pick a card out of a double deck, not show anybody 803 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,400 the card, only he knows the card. 804 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,920 And then we'll run like FM Spirit Box and ask the spirits, 805 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,440 the gentleman to tell us what that card he's holding. 806 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,480 And there's a high percentage that we get that number and 807 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,680 card. Yeah. 808 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,800 And the other night it was funny. 809 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,160 The other night they kept saying 3333 of clubs. 810 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,360 We all heard it very perfectly clear. 811 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,960 And the guy's like, it's not a three of clubs. 812 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,800 So I said, OK, sometimes they'll just tell us the second card. 813 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,400 So I had the other person pick a second card and normally it is 814 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,360 that second card, but it wasn't. And I'm like oh I'm really 815 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,600 surprised because we all heard it so clearly and they just kept 816 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,640 and then the bell rang 3 times and the one of the guests said 817 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440 why don't we pick a third card? They keep saying three. 818 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,120 I was like all right, just I've never done 3 cards but go ahead, 819 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,280 pick a card. It was the three of clubs 3. 820 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:01,720 Clubs. Wow. 821 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,560 And the other night I had a person under Estes. 822 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,720 Now that person didn't even know he they were in other room with 823 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:13,200 the door closed. And I picked up, I have a dice 824 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,640 in there and I picked up the dye and a second I pick up the dye, 825 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,640 she yells die and everybody goes, oh die. 826 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,240 I said no die like I picked up the dice. 827 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:26,960 They want to. Play. 828 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,880 They wanted to play, so I said, OK, what number am I going to 829 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,800 roll? And the other guy on the Diesta 830 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,440 said 1 and I rolled it and it was a 1. 831 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,480 So you, it happens so often. Sometimes they're rolling, I 832 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,560 mean when they're guessing before you roll it. 833 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,200 I mean, that's, you know, the chances of of that. 834 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,920 Sometimes they won't tell us until we roll it. 835 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,760 Well, you know the fact that you still hear a number even. 836 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,800 That's. That's exactly what I was. 837 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,200 Saying you know what? I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing 838 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,560 that you even hear a number. Sure, it's amazing when they get 839 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,320 it right, but the reality is it's just as good as a guess as 840 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,200 me or you. It's amazing that they're even 841 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,680 saying and umber playing along to the game, which I've 842 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,600 experienced here. In fact, I'm releasing a video 843 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,000 tonight of that so. Well, that sounds fun. 844 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,640 Like that's different, but that's really different. 845 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,600 I have of a lot of the people we talk to like playing games with 846 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,280 the spirits is not something we hear a lot and that's fun. 847 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960 That's really great. The other night we did, we have 848 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,800 a tic Tac toe board that Tracy and my staff said why don't we 849 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,760 number the squares on the tic tac toe? 850 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,560 So we tried that as a as a game on our My Bloody Valentine's Day 851 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,280 event and we said we were running equipment. 852 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,360 What number do you want? What not what square we were 853 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,600 getting numbers. They didn't win, but we were 854 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,560 getting numbers. And I'm like to the everybody 855 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,440 you, you have to say this is it's an intelligent response. 856 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,400 It may not be the right it's response. 857 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,480 So it's intelligent response. Wow. 858 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:01,960 Yeah. And you know, it's it's pretty 859 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,440 wild. I forgot, I forgot to tell you 860 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,520 this. After we played the dice game 861 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,120 here, I went back to the breakfast state. 862 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,960 And now back in the day, I used to play the dice game with the 863 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,560 spirits and a pair of skull dice. 864 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040 Right. And I was just thinking to 865 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,720 myself, wow, you know, I had to play, you know, dice with the 866 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:20,960 spirit. Such a long time. 867 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,640 That was fun. What do you know, I get back? 868 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,320 I'm going through stuff because I'm, you know, still going 869 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,800 through things and moving things around. 870 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,720 And I look in a cat cup and they're the dice. 871 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,160 The dice are just in there. And I went bringing this back 872 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,520 into the fold. You know it literally almost 873 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,320 every night since then we've been playing with. 874 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,840 That's fun. I like that. 875 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,760 That's interesting to me. Kelly, I have to ask you this. 876 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,200 We ask all our guests this question. 877 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,160 What do you think spirits are who? 878 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,040 What do you think is? What do you think is going on 879 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,480 there? I think, I think it could be a 880 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,360 number of things. Now, nobody's an expert. 881 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,680 I always say, you know, if somebody claims to be an expert, 882 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,480 walk away. But it's consciousness. 883 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,560 I feel that we're all connected somehow. 884 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,280 I feel their energy. You know, we were just talking 885 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,000 about this just. When you say, when you, I'm 886 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,600 sorry to interrupt you, when you say energy, I just want to be 887 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,840 for clarity because a lot of people look at energy and they 888 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,840 say in like a woo woo way, like the soul religious way. 889 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,480 Are you saying energy like in a scientific way, you know, like 890 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,760 these synapses in our brains are electric and that's what it is? 891 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,440 Well, you can't kill energy, so I feel that. 892 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:40,400 And I believe we do have souls. I mean that I think, I don't 893 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,240 know. I just, I believe that if some 894 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,960 somebody wants to, we have people that go, well, why would 895 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,880 my loved one be here? I said, they're always with you. 896 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,880 They're, they're, they're, they're connected to you through 897 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,840 consciousness. So, and then we were just 898 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,680 talking about this, you know, is there a heaven? 899 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,920 We don't know, but I think spirit finds their own heavens, 900 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,280 like if, if they loved fishing, they're going to be fishing 901 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,600 every day with a beer in their hand. 902 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,720 You know, if and when their loved ones need them, they're 903 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,480 called on. They're right there, they're 904 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,920 right with you. So I, you know, I truly believe 905 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,400 that in my heart of hearts that, you know, that's why we have 906 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,320 spirits here that I don't know if any of the spirits truly here 907 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,800 at the hotel are stuck. I believe that a lot of them 908 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:40,120 call this their home and or feel like they have to be here for 909 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,600 some reason or another. I'm, you know, we never get the 910 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,760 full story of all of them, but I'm hoping that if they want to 911 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400 leave, they can leave. Well, that's that was that was 912 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,560 my follow up question. It's like, why do you think the 913 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,960 Shanley is that magnet for this, for consciousness you? 914 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,520 Know it's funny because we have a lot of mediums that go. 915 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,440 We feel that the Shanley is like this beacon like, and there's so 916 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,840 many scientific stuff that you could look at. 917 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,360 There's landlines. I don't know if you're familiar 918 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,120 with that. There's energy lines in in the 919 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,160 the ground that all run through here. 920 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,040 We have the Shiwong Gong mountains or crystals. 921 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,560 You know, there's all Shiwong Gong crystals. 922 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,040 I heard that too, by the way. Yeah, I heard that. 923 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,840 What was that? I have no idea, but it sounded 924 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,200 very strange. It was like, yeah. 925 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,080 It almost sounded like it could have been, yeah. 926 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,000 So and then we have an underground stream that runs 927 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,040 through underneath the Shanley. So I think it's this whole 928 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,240 combination to get really weird about it. 929 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,400 I mean, just one minute from here is is Pine Bush. 930 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:58,200 Pine Bush is known for their alien encounters, UFO sightings 931 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,600 and stuff. So but. 932 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,080 What do you think that? Well, all right, let's ride this 933 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,200 wave for a second. When you, when you, when you 934 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,240 bring that up. Ley lines of stuff too. 935 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,200 So what when you, I mean could look, you brought it up. 936 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,360 What do you think there's? What do you think that means 937 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,360 when if you bring up UFOs or aliens in regards to spirit, 938 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,800 would you think there's a connection there? 939 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,320 I don't know so much there might be a connection on that I but I 940 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,360 believe that these Ley lines can be a connection between why 941 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,520 these energies are are here. I see. 942 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,320 Yeah, I mean, I've heard through my machines though. 943 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,480 I've heard, you know, contact spaceship, you know, and we have 944 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,760 had sightings, not me personally, but residents of the 945 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,200 town have seen a UFO come over top of Main Street. 946 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,160 That was a big article one time, so you know. 947 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,960 I don't even know. It's like I'm trying to get my 948 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,080 head around spirits and it's like I don't know if I am ready. 949 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,680 I don't know if I am ready for adding aliens into the. 950 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,240 What was it? What was it a couple of days 951 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,640 ago, you know, President Obama did an interview, Yeah, he did, 952 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,600 where he straight up dropped the bomb. 953 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,280 He goes, yeah, aliens are real, But, you know, I've never seen 954 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,880 him. And you know, Area 51 doesn't 955 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,200 exist. You know basically what he says. 956 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800 Then the next day he backpedals, right? 957 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,480 And he was like, well, I don't know if aliens are real or 958 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,920 however he worded it, but it's just like, all right, we know 959 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,200 aliens are real at this point. We just don't know what they're 960 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,240 about, right? We that much? 961 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,440 That much we know at this point, right? 962 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,320 They have, they have, they have evidence. 963 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,800 What do you say? Like there's evidence of things, 964 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,040 they don't know how these things. 965 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,200 Put a little plug in for my friend. 966 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,600 He runs the Pinebush UFO and Paranormal Museum in Pine Bush, 967 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,160 NY, and it's a nice little, great little museum that that's 968 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,040 because the Pine Bush is known for that. 969 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,280 So, and we're only 25 minutes from there. 970 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,600 So when they talk about the Ley lines and they talk about why 971 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,560 this area, maybe it's the, you know, the gravity, the gravity 972 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,520 is actually less in this area than some other areas of the, of 973 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,640 the country. Oh, that's interesting. 974 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,320 Yeah, really. So is that that area coming in 975 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,920 like when we when we're driving in here, it is about 2025 976 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,320 minutes. It's it's a beautiful view. 977 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,600 That's OK. So that's what that makes sense. 978 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,600 Oh, it is so big when we're driving, you know, it's on our 979 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,680 left and it's just beautiful. Like it's just a huge open 980 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,160 scenic view. Yeah. 981 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,800 You go over that mountain and you come down in about 25 982 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,160 minutes. You're right into Town of Pine, 983 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,480 yes. OK, that makes sense. 984 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,800 So I could see someone seeing an Elliot over there, you know? 985 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,160 Listen, aliens like a good view just as much as the next person. 986 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,560 They like to relax, right? Yeah, I have. 987 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:52,880 To assume listen, Kelly, this is really fascinating. 988 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,600 I mean, I really appreciate the time you've taken with us here 989 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,320 today. Tell us about your amazing 990 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,000 hotel. You know, it's, it is a cool 991 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,520 spot. I mean, it really is. 992 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,080 And I love I love how specific it is. 993 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:14,040 I love hearing from a person who can speak to something over time 994 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,880 as opposed to we were there for one night and oh boy, did we get 995 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,080 a lot of great stuff. It's like, listen, I've been 996 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,920 here, I know what this is. And you could probably tell the 997 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,880 difference between like, no, no, I just forgot the WD40 that door 998 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,920 versus I don't know what that I'm telling you. 999 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,320 There's so many nights that I know I had great guests and 1000 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,640 they'll come in and they'll get so excited and I'll go. 1001 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120 I hate to tell you this, but you know you. 1002 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,720 Did it for us the night the heat kicked on and it was making a 1003 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,320 bunch of weird noises and I was like, wait, what's going on? 1004 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,960 You know when it happens? And I have to say this, Kelly 1005 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,520 has been so incredibly awesome when it comes to just 1006 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,800 everything. Sure, this is a business, but 1007 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,080 you have a love for the business and it shows. 1008 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,120 The way she takes care of the people that come here though, 1009 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,560 how interactive and how helpful she is with everything, it is 1010 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,000 awesome. I love watching you guys on 1011 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000 TikTok when I. I don't. 1012 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,240 I appreciate that. I appreciate that, but that's 1013 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,560 just, it's just it's. Holy moly. 1014 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,640 That's nothing wildlife tonight. You know what she can, she's in 1015 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,880 the chat and let me tell you something. 1016 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,240 What night, what night we were, we were up in the brothel and 1017 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,240 right it was the brothel. And then all of a sudden that 1018 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,440 what they say, they said sweet thing is here and I went Oh, 1019 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,440 sweet thing was that another girl and I was about to go all 1020 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,240 right, sweet thing, you know what's your. 1021 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,440 I've been as fast as I can. It's the cat. 1022 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,240 It's the cat, jump. It's the damn it. 1023 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,520 And I'll be like, it's the cat. Oh, that's hysterical. 1024 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,000 You love some? Ghost Cat. 1025 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,360 Yeah, the ghost cat, which I see. 1026 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,520 Name is sweet. Which I've seen a picture of 1027 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,080 like I've seen a picture of this cat like it's not like and it's 1028 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,680 not like a smudge. It's not like you're going to 1029 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,400 look Gary when should get if you can send. 1030 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,560 It I can send it. When you see this, you're going 1031 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,800 to go, Oh yeah, that's a cat. Wow. 1032 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:19,200 And it's also there's a clip on YouTube on on YouTube if you 1033 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,640 just type in Shanley ghost cat with with Sal being interviewed 1034 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,920 and they they have a video of the cat in the hallway. 1035 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680 It's a see through cat. It just walks right. 1036 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,720 Through Wow. Yeah. 1037 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,160 This place is. Wild, but it was so funny I 1038 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,520 couldn't type fast enough. It's the. 1039 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:34,240 It's the cat it. Was. 1040 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920 It was. You should have struggled. 1041 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,560 You should have strung them alone for a little bit, yeah. 1042 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,240 Yeah, no, I was about to get. I was about to just go right 1043 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,640 into it and be like, all right, it's got to be one of the girls. 1044 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,200 You know what's? That sweet thing. 1045 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,960 You know, and then I would have got nothing and then and I would 1046 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,400 have got pissed. I have so many inappropriate 1047 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,160 jokes I could make, I just won't. 1048 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,000 I'll just hold on to. That I'm like fine, just going 1049 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,440 there and I'm like Nope. Yeah, I'm like so many about how 1050 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,160 I would have played them up. Listen, this is great. 1051 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,640 I got. I have no other questions, John, 1052 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,080 unless you have any more like Kelly. 1053 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,720 Thank you so much for your time. Yeah. 1054 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,120 Thank you. Thank you for this. 1055 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,960 Awesome so awesome. This place is incredible. 1056 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,160 It's all my like. I'm as long as I am doing this, 1057 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,000 I will keep coming back. Here thank you like it is. 1058 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,000 Support. Yeah, it is just. 1059 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,720 And I appreciate you supporting my documentation. 1060 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,360 Thank you. Well, that's it for another 1061 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,480 episode of Splintered Spirits. Be sure to like, share, and 1062 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,640 subscribe to our YouTube channel, Spotify, or wherever 1063 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,360 you get your podcasts. Until next time, stay curious.