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Hello, beautiful humans and 
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Wake up, show a weekly podcast 
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therapist and Coach, Don 
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If you're new around here, 
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So, our main topic of today's 
Enneagram. 

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What? 
What? 

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Whoop. 
Something that's been on my 

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mind. 
A lot is the ways in which in 

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our desire for certainty, we 
like to limit ourselves, we like

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to Define ourselves and we will 
take advantage of any tool we 

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can find to do. 
So for example, the Enneagram 

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which is e and any a gr am is a 
personality system. 

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Or at least that's how it's most
often used. 

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It's actually a whole wisdom 
system that subdivides people 

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into nine primary personality 
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Nine primary ways of showing up 
in the world that's at its most 

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basic. 
It goes way deeper than that. 

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It is a whole wisdom system that
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changing and integrating. 
But for the most part, the way, 

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At its used in our culture is as
a personality typing system. 

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And what I notice about the 
Enneagram or astrology or the 

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Myers-Briggs or the Big Five 
personality traits or the what 

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color, whatever system that you 
personally find Value in, what I

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notice is that, we really, 
really want to shrink ourselves 

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down to say. 
Oh, I'm like this, because I'm 

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like this, because Like this 
because I have an Aquarian Moon 

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Rising. 
I'm like this because I'm an 

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Enneagram 3. 
I'm like this because of the 

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specific kind of childhood 
trauma. 

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I had when I was a time like 
this because What I would love 

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to do is I would love to embrace
the Enneagram because I think 

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it's a really fantastic system, 
a way of thinking, about the 

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world, a way of learning about 
ourselves. 

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So I'd like to embrace it and I 
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it from a different point of 
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I would like us to take a look 
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Not only as a wisdom system 
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system but also as a map of the 
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So what do I mean by that? 
So much of what we have come to 

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believe as let's see. 
Um so much of what we've come to

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believe is, as systems of this 
is how things are are metaphors.

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They're metaphors, their 
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describing human nature. 
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as some sort of authority on 
types of humans, but rather, as 

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a way of describing, the nature 
of the human psyche, then we can

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start to look at it as, okay. 
Let's say I am primarily in any 

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A gram to what that's going to 
show me is here are my 

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Tendencies. 
Here are some of the ways that I

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relate to myself in the world? 
Here are some of the ways that I

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behave or tend to behave when 
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resource here is some of the 
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I'm feeling weak or challenged 
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So that's great. 
That is a great start but it is 

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only the start because 
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primary personality type is, 
your zodiac sign, your, what 

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year you were born in your, 
whatever system that you're 

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using human design. 
Regardless of what your primary 

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way of being is, it does not 
have to be your destiny. 

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We are being called in this time
and the space to stop trying to 

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Define ourselves and rather to 
create ourselves. 

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If you want to know the answer 
to why you are the Way You Are. 

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I've got it for you ready? 
Because You are the way you are,

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because something in your 
biology met with something in 

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your psychology that met with 
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were brought up. 
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community with other people and 
now you are the way you are. 

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The more interesting question 
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How would I like to move through
space, what version of myself 

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would? 
I be most proud of When I'm 

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breathing that last breath of 
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And I look back on my life, what
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What do I want to have 
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What do I want to know about 
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in it? 
That's a way more interesting. 

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And helpful question then. 
Why am I the way that I am? 

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And it's also way more helpful 
and interesting than giving 

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ourselves that I'm this way. 
Because, oh, I can't help it. 

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I'm just such a Leo. 
I can't help it. 

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Well, If you could. 
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What If instead of being? 
Like I'm just sewing a g 3 or my

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mom, she's such an intj. 
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now. 
What if instead of doing that we

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realized that we are all 
everything you are a sinner and 

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a saint. 
You are the highest and the 

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lowest tier of the left in the 
right. 

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You are the middle. 
You are the center your the 

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circumference human beings are 
so vast. 

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So interesting. 
So X that it is impossible to 

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confine you to a single 
anything. 

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So I'm going to take a look at 
the end of your Gram and we're 

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going to go through the types 
and we're going to do it. 

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So that those people who are 
those primary types will know a 

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little bit more of the operating
manual for how to thrive in 

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their current state of 
evolution. 

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And we are going to assume 
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I might add that we each have 
asked assets short We each have 

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assets and aspects of each of 
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And when young Ian's talk about 
integrating the shadow about 

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becoming more evolved, Becoming 
psychologically healthy. 

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A lot of what we are looking at 
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embracing the many facets that 
make up you. 

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So for our purposes, the many 
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for a while are going to be 
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Oops. 
Are going to be looked at 

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through the lens of the 
Enneagram that going to be 

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looked at as these are nine 
aspects that make me up in 

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varying degrees. 
And what benefits can I get from

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having all of these parts and 
what shadow parts? 

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What parts of me, and my 
rejecting not acknowledging, or 

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not understanding that? 
Thinking about them as Enneagram

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parts will help me integrate. 
Some of you know that I use ifs 

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sometimes with some clients 
internal family systems and a 

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refreshment internal family 
systems is that it's the notion 

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that every individual is made up
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Every part has a function and 
every part is welcomed every 

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part belongs and family, 
constellations is the same way 

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that internal family systems is 
about the constellation within 

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you family, constellations is 
about the constellation that you

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belong to as a River Community, 
whether it's your family or your

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job or your church. 
Everyone has a place, everyone 

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belongs and so rather than 
Excavating individual Parts like

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six year old artist part, 
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suicidal part, anything like 
that, we're going to work on our

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or internal family system. 
Our internal constellation By 

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integrating the nine, basic 
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So I met throughout the course 
of this little series integrate.

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In some of the work of she was 
such a mean who has a nine part 

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personality typing system that's
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although he's developed another 
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But we're going to, we're just 
going to dig in assuming that 

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every part is a part of you. 
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The point of this is not to get 
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Oh, I get it now, I'm an 
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really important to me to look 
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And to make sure that I have a 
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No, no. 
You're going to notice. 

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Oh, I have a tendency to feel a 
compulsion for towards status. 

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Huh. 
I wonder what that's about. 

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Well, here's what I'm going to 
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And then we start to integrate 
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We are all everything. 
Every part has a purpose and 

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every part belongs. 
So what are these nine parts to 

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the Enneagram e? 
NN e a gr am was popularized in 

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Europe by GE GE if and then 
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Richard Rohr who is a Catholic 
contemplative teacher was able 

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to take the Enneagram and frame 
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internal World from a more. 
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perspective. 
So there's the true true true 

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roots or a known, some people 
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Egyptians some people credit the
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The sufis, maybe we don't really
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when I am using the Enneagram 
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So that's what we're going to 
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We could pick anything. 
We could pick the 12 signs of 

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the zodiac. 
We could pick the 16 

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Myers-Briggs types. 
We could pick all the different 

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iterations, Is of ocean which I 
think is 25. 

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If my math is correct, 25 
different ways, there's the 

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strong survey there's positive 
psychology, but we're going to 

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stick with the Enneagram for 
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For this thought experiment as a
way of becoming more integrated 

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more hole, More complete. 
We're already perfect whole and 

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complete but we want to 
experience ourselves that way 

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and to bring Shadow Parts in. 
So we're going to do a really 

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big overview and if you are 
curious about your Enneagram 

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type or the Enneagram in 
general, go to your search 

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engine of choice, and you will 
find a googolplex of 

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information. 
So there are nine personality 

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types of the Enneagram and they 
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People have different nicknames 
that they give to the different,

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the nine different types. 
This is these are the ones that 

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we're going to use for. 
Now, I'm a May mix them up over 

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time. 
So Enneagram one is the 

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perfectionist. 
And a g 2 is the helper. 

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Enneagram 3 is the achiever. 
Enneagram 4 is the romantic or 

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artist and a g 5 is the 
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And a grim 6 is the questioner. 
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Enneagram 8 is the assert ER Any
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Now, just ask yourself as I was 
reading that perfectionist 

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helper achiever, romantic 
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of surtur Peacemaker. 
If there aren't different times 

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and places in your life where 
you've played those roles. 

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Have you ever laid down on the 
middle of your floor, crying and

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feeling sorry for yourself and 
feeling all of your feelings, 

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really deeply. 
If so you've borrowed a strength

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from the Enneagram for archetype
have you? 

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Ever, busted your bum to get 
straight A's to try to impress 

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someone like a college 
admissions advisor. 

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For example, then you've 
borrowed from the Enneagram 

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three. 
Archetype what about the 

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question or the Enneagram 6? 
Have you ever packed for a trip 

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with everything that you could 
possibly might could need 

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welcome to Enneagram 6 captain 
of the worst case scenario 

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planner, what about The 
Peacemaker? 

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When I kissed a calm Inside 
yourself and keep everyone else 

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calm to everyone to do that. 
So we all have we all have 

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everything. 
So each of those parts is a 

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primary feeling tone that drives
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orientation for looking at the 
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And each of them has strengths 
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there are a lot of theories for 
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type that they become. 
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know, for every one that fits 
the type like oh well you became

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an Enneagram to and I really 
relationship focused because you

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had an avoidant type parent and 
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order to get attention. 
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will be like. 
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There's going to be, you know, 
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like that bears. 
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experience so I don't think it 
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I think what matters is we have 
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move through the world that 
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Tendencies both for good and for
Less good and that as each of us

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begin to embrace all of our 
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effective, more, complete, and 
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arrows of Outrageous Fortune. 
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the nine different types, you 
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Begin to get a sense of where 
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So let's do a brief description 
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And for these brief 
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a book called The Enneagram Made
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Elizabeth wiggle, wiggle e, just
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language is very simple. 
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nine types page, five 
perfectionists, Are realistic 

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conscientious and principled. 
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highest ideals. 
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orientation. 
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yourself capital S self in a-- 
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Helpers are warm concerned 
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people's needs. 
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optimistic, self-assured and 
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For Romantics. 
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have sensitive feelings, and are
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Number five, observers Romantics
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their number five. 
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knowledge and are introverted, 
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insightful. 
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trustworthy and value loyalty to
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causes their personalities 
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confrontative. 
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We may have to dig into any G 6,
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I don't know that I buy that 
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I think that used to be true. 
I think that was more true of of

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older Generations. 
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But Enneagram 6 is actually have
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to talk about when we get there,
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their Eric Lively and 
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They also tend to laugh a lot. 
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A surtur's are direct 
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protective any G nines, 
peacemakers are receptive 

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good-natured and supportive. 
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the world around them 
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So these nine types are divided 
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So there's a sense of their 
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Center is going to be twos, 
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challenge is around image. 
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around. 
Shame, two threes and fours, our

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heart or feeling Center, and 
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around image. 
How they want, other people to 

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perceive them and can sometimes 
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Shame, So five sixes and sevens 
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center-right can be very 
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their challenges around fear and
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same family. 
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are in the gut, or the 
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challenge can be around anger. 
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A lot of a lot of the people in 
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and ones are going to be your 
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entered people and they might 
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whether suppressed or expressed 
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divided into groups of three. 
Now the Enneagram can get 

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incredibly complex because 
there's so many other ways to 

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divide it up and that's what I 
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system that can help guide you 
to To and through your Evolution

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for us, we're going to take a 
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We're going to stick primarily 
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Our to sort of influences on 
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And if that sounded like a lot, 
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We're going to jump into it. 
Feel free to type Enneagram test

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into the search engine of your 
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Lots will pop up. 
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And we're going to do this 
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in a map of the psyche, So, take
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about whether it's a wisdom 
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whether it's evidence-based, 
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We're going to do our work to 
look at these nine different 

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parts, how they interact with 
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nurture and nourish those 
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So, I hope you want to come 
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I think it's going to be super 
fun and if you're already an 

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Enneagram fan, that's that's 
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Just stick with it. 
If you already know your 

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Enneagram type, your I got this 
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Come with a beginner's mind 
because no matter where we are 

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in our Evolution, there's always
more expansion available. 

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There's always more peace 
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There's always more joy 
available. 

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There is always a more 
Enlightenment available because 

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even though right here, right 
now, you are whole perfect and 

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complete and you are worthy and 
deserving of a So magnificent, 

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it defies even your own 
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It's good in. 
Okay, to change to both end. 

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It's not either or it's both and
you are both perfect now and 

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there's opportunities to grow 
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So I hope you'll come along for 
this ride, it's going to be fun.

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And with that, you beautiful, 
beautiful, being you Thanks for 

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the next nine weeks ago. 

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