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Hello beautiful humans, and 
welcome to the Mental Wellness 

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Wake Up Show, a weekly podcast 
where growthminded, creative 

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people come to learn best 
practices from both spirituality

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and psychology that create 
lasting wellbeing. 

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I am your host, mental Wellness 
expert, improvised acting 

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teacher, therapist, and coach 
Dawn McMillan. 

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Let's get to it. 
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Thanks for coming around. 
So we are in the midst of an 

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Enniogram series. 
Enniogram is a wisdom system 

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with 9 primary points and is 
normally used as a personality 

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typing system. 
So if you're here for the first 

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time, go ahead and hop on back, 
catch up with us. 

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We are now on Enniogram 3, which
shockingly is not the third one 

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because we actually started 
elsewhere on the cycle. 

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So let's jump right in. 
And for those of you who are 

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leaving, come on back and join 
us on Enneagram 3. 

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So as you'll recall, the 
Enneagram is a circle with 9 

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points on it that are 
interrelated by lines and the 

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enneagrams 2-3 and four are 
clustered together. 

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And what we call the heart 
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these are people who are 
motivated by and kind of lead 

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with how they feel. 
Not like that sort of gut body 

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feeling, but more like that 
emotional feeling. 

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So what does that mean for our 
enneogram threes? 

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So what do we call the enneogram
threes? 

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Oh, and I will be shuffling 
papers around And my keyboard, I

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have a cool gamer keyboard 
because I'm cool like that. 

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I am not cool. 
So what do we call the 

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Enneograms? 
Enneogram 3 are the achiever, 

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the motivator, the role model, 
the paragon, the communicator, 

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the status seeker, the best. 
If the enniogram three was a 

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country, it would be the United 
States. 

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When I think of the Enniogram 3,
I'm thinking about someone like 

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Tony Robbins. 
I'm thinking about that that 

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that, that personal trainer, 
that inspirational speaker, that

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person who really has that, I 
don't know, like like you would 

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that leadership thing where 
you're like, I will follow you. 

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So threes at their best, are 
optimistic, confident, 

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industrious, efficient, 
selfpropelled, energetic, 

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practical, shadow side, because 
everybody's got one. 

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Threes at their worst are 
deceptive, narcissistic, 

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pretentious, vain, superficial, 
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Threes are motivated by the need
to be productive, achieve 

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success and avoid failure, and 
avoid failure and avoid failure.

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So threes are very much 
interested not just in being 

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successful, but being perceived 
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They like for their success to 
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So let's talk a little bit more 
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So the basic, the the threes 
basic fear is of being worthless

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without value, being worthless 
or without value apart from 

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their achievements. 
So remember we said that twos, 

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threes and fours are the feeling
center and they're they can be 

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seen as being characterized by 
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So the way that threes deal with
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they're worthless or unlovable 
in some way is to achieve is to 

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achieve. 
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were raised in an environment 
where they only got validated by

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their environment for being 
really good at sports or getting

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good grades or being pretty or, 
you know, it's their 

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achievements are what matter, 
not who they are as a person. 

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So I don't want to get too much 
into how people become the way 

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that they are, because honestly,
the answer really is just 

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because it's nature. 
It's nurture, it's biological, 

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it's social, bio psycho, it's 
psychological. 

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But so the basic fear behind the
personality type of three is of 

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being worthless and people not 
valuing them for anything other 

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than their achievements. 
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worthwhile, accepted, and 
desirable. 

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And what it's not listed in this
Reso Hudson little blurb is to 

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be to feel worthwhile, accepted 
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not for what they have 
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They're super ego message you 
are good or okay as long as you 

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are successful and others think 
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So you can see the trap there. 
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because as long as others think 
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So for a three who's you know in
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personality type of this 
archetype, it's not enough to be

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successful. 
That success has to be known. 

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Other people also have to think 
well of you. 

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And so a three is going to be 
drawn to a high high prestige 

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careers. 
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work quietly behind the scenes 
changing the world. 

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They're going to be out front 
changing the world. 

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Let's take a look at some levels
of three so we can know how this

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might operate in our friends, 
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OK, so any anyagram is just all 
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Three groups of three in any 
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It's insane. 
All the ways you can divide the 

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anyagram up into threes. 
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So level 9, a very unhealthy 
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monomaniacal, relentless mono, 
meaning one so unhealthy. 

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Threes feel that there is 
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positive attention of the people
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may lose control of their 
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They may seek revenge on real or
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to bring down whoever they feel 
has rejected them. 

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So this is someone who's given 
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They would desperately want 
approval, but they don't think 

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there's anything that they can 
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So they can be very dangerous. 
Level 8, so we're getting a 

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little bit healthier on level 8.
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duplicitous. 
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opportunistic. 
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so desperate for attention that 
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scheme in order to cover over 
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They do not want anyone to know 
how troubled they are and are 

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willing to go to great lengths 
to keep their emotional illness 

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and misdeeds higged in. 
They're willing to go to great 

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lengths to keep their emotional 
illness and were misdeeds 

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hidden. 
Remember the whole Enron scandal

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where people were lying and 
cheating that you can think of 

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that as sort of a level 8 and 
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K level 7 getting a little 
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The anygram 3 is going to 
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deceptive. 
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failing and that their claims 
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which may be true. 
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begin to deceive themselves and 
others saying whatever will 

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impress people or get them off 
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They feel empty and depressed. 
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any or gram two people pleasing 
instinct or impulse but rather 

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that where that any or gram two 
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this is to be impressive. 
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impressed by them. 
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average. 
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levels are people who are really
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really hurting, and then we get 
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who's you know, making it 
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All right. 
So level 6 in eogram 3 is going 

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to be self promoting and 
grandiose threes are afraid that

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others will not notice them 
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successful or outstanding. 
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themselves and others of the 
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claims. 
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competitive and arrogant as a 
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neediness. 
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Grandiose. 
Are you hearing narcissistic 

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characteristics? 
Yes you are. 

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Sidebar, Stop calling everyone a
narcissist. 

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There are all kinds of ways to 
be self-centered without being a

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narcissist. 
Narcissistic personality 

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disorder is actually very rare. 
OK, and a sidebar. 

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OK, so that's a level 6 self 
promoting grandiose, moving up a

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little bit. 
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level 5, this person's going to 
present as image, image 

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conscious and expedient. 
Threes worry that they will lose

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the positive regard of others, 
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They strive to cultivate what 
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attractive image possible. 
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They want to be admired and 
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They typically have intimacy 
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So in AGRAM, threes in general, 
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to show their success, they're 
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it going on. 
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spends a little at this level, 
who spends a little bit extra on

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the sports car or the luxury 
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want people that even drive by 
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know that they they are 
successful and they're really 

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ambitious. 
They work hard, but secretly 

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they're doubting themselves. 
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our emotional health Level 4 
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So threes begin to fear that 
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accomplishments of others, that 
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them the attention they desire. 
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competitiveness. 
So thus they need to distinguish

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themselves from others by 
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They continually Dr. themselves 
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So right now I'm thinking about 
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Alexander Hamilton in the 
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They describe him as relentless,
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So in order to make sure that 
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they're supposed to be, they 
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They overstrive. 
They continually Dr. themselves 

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to achieve more. 
This is the person with, I don't

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know, the Nobel Prize and a 
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genius grant and gosh, only 
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So these are striving mixed 
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OK, so let's move up a little 
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of this Level 3 archetype. 
So Level 3 and Aagram three. 

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Goal oriented, self improving 
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self-image by developing 
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They are competent, confident 
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exemplary and whatever they do, 
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They are often popular role 
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inspirations to others. 
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are a little healthier. 
They're not driven. 

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They're not continually driven, 
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improve themselves and to 
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They're practicing their 
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They're effective communicators.
You know, these are the people 

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in your organization or in your 
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like, ah, that person's really 
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And a healthy Level 3. 
They they really, they really 

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got it going on. 
They really are using their 

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talents in a way that is visible
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Moving up a level 2. 
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going to present as adaptable 
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Threes are attuned to what 
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themselves to become a person 
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self-image. 
I am outstanding, capable and 

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well adjusted with unlimited 
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So here's a little threes can be
a little chameleon like, right? 

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Because they threes are are 
often the kind of people who are

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good at a lot of things. 
And because they value being 

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that perception of success, like
they they they really appreciate

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being admired. 
They may lean into those 

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particular talents of the of 
theirs that are the most valued.

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You think about someone who is 
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baseball. 
They might lean into their 

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football career because it's 
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Is that true? 
I guess it depends on where you 

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hang out, but you know what I'm 
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So they may be equally good at 
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And depending on their family of
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biology because their family 
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Something like that and a level 
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So a highly emotionally healthy,
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you're going to see them as 
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So these threes, this archetype 
of the three, let they let go of

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the belief that their value is 
dependent on the positive regard

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of others, thus freeing them to 
discover their true identity and

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their own heart's desire. 
So while all aneograms really 

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get some juice out of being 
admired by other people, like it

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really is like a vital nutrient 
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It's a it's like a vitamin 
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It really feeds them when that 
when a three gets very well 

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nourished and well evolved and 
well integrated, they know they 

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appreciate it. 
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but they know that their value 
is not, that is not their value.

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The positive regard of others 
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So they get their basic desire 
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They feel valuable and 
worthwhile but they're not 

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needing it from other people if 
that makes sense. 

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So they become self accepting, 
genuine and benevolent. 

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So if you know these high 
achievers you probably know and 

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any a gram 3 because they're so 
high achieving right any a gram 

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threes they're like at the 
they're they're at the top of 

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the grade they're they're 
they're they're out there doing 

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the thing very, very visibly. 
They they have Ted talks, right.

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They're out there you see them 
you see their success. 

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They're well dressed, they're 
well dressed. 

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They're well groomed, They're 
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They got the nice car. 
They've they've got all the 

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letters after their name. 
You know, I have one friend that

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I tease like about all the 
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And she's like, that's not even 
all of them. 

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So, you know, any Agram threes 
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And when you're around in any 
Agram 3, there's just that they 

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just have this inner fire that 
that makes you like think, oh, I

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can get out there and do stuff 
right when they're on stage, 

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when they're that inspirational 
speaker, like you know, you're 

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like afterwards like, I'm going 
to go out there and I'm going to

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make stuff happen. 
Super inspiring, super 

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inspiring. 
And when you get a really well 

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integrated and air Gram 3, 
they're so comfortable in their 

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own skin, right? 
Like, so they're just sort of 

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casually wandering around in 
their designer clothes, in their

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mansions. 
If that's the level of the type 

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of success that they're 
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wandering around in their their 
monk's robes, in their sanctuary

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or whatever personal type of 
achievement there at the You get

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it. 
I'm going to stop giving 

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examples. 
And when you're around them, 

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they're so just like, admirable.
They're so admirable that you 

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catch that fire a little bit and
you're like, I can achieve 

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things, I want to achieve 
things, I can achieve things. 

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That seems cool. 
That seems possible. 

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So are any of Gram threes. 
Like, like I said, every every 

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group needs at least one of 
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So your Annagram 3 is going to 
get things done and look good 

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while they're doing it. 
Like the the image that just 

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came to me is like, you know 
that that ballet dancer who's 

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like standing on one leg and 
point, and her other leg is 

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pointing straight up at the sky 
and she just stands there 

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perfectly still for like 5 
minutes and makes it look 

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effortless and graceful and 
easy. 

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That's Annagram 3. 
They make they look good, 

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they're doing well, and they 
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So if you have an anagram 3 in 
your life, model them. 

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Model them. 
How are they doing what they do?

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Because they have figured out 
how to fit into a niche in a way

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that is highly valuable. 
They're, they're they're people 

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to model threes at their best 
are optimistic, confident, 

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industrious, efficient, 
self-propelled, right. 

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You know how all those job 
offers are like? 

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Wanted, Self Starter, BLEB, BLEB
BLEB. 

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We're talking about that 
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They are self-propelled, 
energetic and practical. 

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So one of the things that 
Annagram threes really need to 

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watch out for, give yourself a 
break. 

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It's okay to not be the best at 
everything. 

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And actually, it's okay not to 
be the best at anything. 

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Like for real, for real there. 
It's okay not to be the best. 

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It's okay not to be the best. 
It's okay to not drive yourself 

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all the time. 
You don't have to impress people

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all the time. 
You get to enjoy being you. 

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You get to enjoy being you, so 
maybe lighten up a little bit. 

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Lighten up. 
Be kind to yourself. 

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Lean into that authenticity. 
If you are leading into your 

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authenticity, you will do it 
better than everyone else. 

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Because if you're an anagram 3, 
you do everything better than 

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everyone else. 
But yeah, just lighten up. 

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It's okay not to be the best. 
You don't have to be the best at

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everything. 
Because you know what? 

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If you can be vulnerable, if you
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You'll be surprised at how many 
people think you're amazing even

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when you're not perfect, even 
when you're not the best, right?

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You can't. 
You can't. 

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And don't cheat to make it look 
good when you're not actually 

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the best. 
That's another danger for any of

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gram threes. 
So for the rest of us, how can 

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we appreciate the any of gram 
threes in our lives, right? 

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Because they're out there making
it look good, and they may be so

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good at making it look good that
you have no idea how hard 

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they're working. 
So if you have someone who's a 

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striver and a pusher and a 
grinder, maybe the gift you can 

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give them is letting them know 
that your appreciation of them 

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is not about that. 
Your appreciation is not about 

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the car or the award or the 
whatever else it is that they're

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doing to mark their achievement.
You can let them know how much 

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you appreciate them for, I don't
know their sense of humor or the

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great hugs they give or whatever
other values that they have. 

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And then for those of us who 
aren't in here grand threes, how

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can we get that inspirational 
vibe going? 

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How can we be a just a little 
bit more selfpropelled? 

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How can we be a little bit more 
industrious? 

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How can we be a little more 
confident and a little more 

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optimistic? 
How can we bought brought bother

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and don't bother people hard or 
do It's up to you. 

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You're autonomous. 
How can we borrow that any 

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anagram 3 archetype to like go 
out there and do the thing. 

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Go do the thing, go do the 
thing, go do the thing your 

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heart is calling you to do. 
Bonus points if, like in any 

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anagram 3, you can make it look 
good, but the more important 

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thing is to go do the thing and 
know, Like any anagram threes, 

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when you get out there and you 
do the thing, you are quietly, 

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or maybe not so quietly, 
inspiring someone else to do the

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thing too. 
And if you're in any of gram 

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three, we see you, we see you, 
we see you, and we think you're 

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awesome. 
You know who else is awesome? 

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The rest of us. 
Because if there's one thing I 

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hope you're taking away from the
series, it's just how everyone 

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has these beautiful gifts to 
give to each other. 

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And that when we're all in our 
center, when we're all deeply in

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our gifts, we create this 
beautiful spectrum of of 

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perspectives and personality 
strengths that create this 

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gorgeous whole. 
And then, as we ourselves 

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integrate all of these different
types into ourselves, we become 

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the center of the circle, able 
to borrow from, lean into, and 

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express all of these different 
facets of ourselves as the 

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moment requires, while still 
being totally, truly authentic 

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to ourselves. 
And if you're like me, that 

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sounds beautiful, really 
beautiful. 

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Have good news, by the way. 
You are are already beautiful. 

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Wherever you find yourself on 
the anagram, wherever you find 

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yourself on the emotional scale 
of maturity, you are whole, 

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perfect and complete. 
That's who you truly are. 

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That's who you truly are. 
When I read your anagram, type 

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like, I really integrated 
anagram type, blah blah, blah. 

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That's that's the the tip of the
iceberg of who you truly are. 

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And you, right here, right now, 
yesterday and tomorrow, you are 

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worthy and deserving of so much 
peace, so much fulfillment, so 

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much enjoyment, so much freedom,
so much love and so much safety 

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that your mind can't even begin 
to imagine. 

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All right, I'm giving you a hug.
Yeah. 

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Do you feel that? 
Did you feel that that was me 

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giving you a hug? 
All right, until next time, I am

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so honored that you share time 
with me. 

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If you've listened this far, 
then something here was of value

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Would you please be a friend of 

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See you next time.