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Welcome everyone. 
It's so nice to be here with 

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you. 
It's wonderful to see your faces

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and the little zoom rooms. 
I also just want to call in the 

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presence of Janata Petrus, who's
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team and she is traveling right 
now in Zanzibar with her chosen 

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family and having a wonderful 
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So we here and wasn't able to 
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we're definitely going to 
presence her when we share about

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what's upcoming and when we send
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going to be sharing a recording 
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So this feels like an incredible
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big turning point. 
Embodied astrology is going to 

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be 10 years old in 2024. 
Yeah, thank you. 

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It started in 2014 as a total 
curiosity project for me. 

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I'm a second generation 
astrologer. 

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My mother was an astrologer and 
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practitioner. 
So I really grew up with this 

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language In my late teens and 
early 20s. 

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I became obsessed in my own 
right. 

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A lot of my childhood. 
I was like mom, you know, she 

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was like, you're like that way 
because of your moon sign. 

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And I was like, whatever. 
But then, you know, life 

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happened and I was like, why are
people, why are people? 

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You know, like, why are people 
peepling? 

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I was in a confusing 
relationship, as I'm sure other 

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people have had that experience.
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astrology and then it's like, oh
oh, there's some of the 

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confusion. 
And I felt so supported in that 

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experience that it totally drew 
me in. 

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And at that time in my life, I 
was very deeply diving into 

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studies in mysticism and 
esoterics and somatic healing 

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through the lineages of Ayurveda
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course are completely braided 
with astrology. 

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Astrology has been a big part of
many elemental medicine 

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practices. 
So about 10 years after that, I 

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started. 
EA. 

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Totally. 
As a curiosity project, just how

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do these things come together? 
Can I play with them? 

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The podcast started just as a 
like, OK, this is fun. 

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I'm going to put something out 
like my, you know? 

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Group of four. 
Friends or something are going 

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to listen to it. 
That'll be that. 

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And 10 years later, here we are.
This project has really changed 

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me. 
It has brought so much abundance

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into my life in so many ways. 
Working with astrology, 

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especially working with 
astrology as an embodied 

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practice, has been enormously 
healing for me personally, in my

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own you know, traumas and upsets
and flailing and failing, you 

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know, in the human. 
Experience. 

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Astrology just continues to be 
such a a support space for me 

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and. 
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Couple of years ago in 2020, at 
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and everything that happened in 
that year, EA was already 

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starting to branch out 
virtually. 

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And it it was really intuitive 
for me at that point to start 

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inviting other facilitators to 
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And my instinct has always been 
to look for the application and 

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synthesis of astrology. 
Where does astrology come in 

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with other things? 
As a semantics practitioner and 

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an artist and a writer and a 
theater nerd, you know Astro 

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fits in perfectly with all of 
those things that really made 

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sense to me. 
To apply it there, I'm very 

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interested in alternative 
healing and so a lot of my first

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guests were people who were 
thinking about multi dimensional

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pathways into healing. 
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learning in the realms of world 
making and activism and social 

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and environmental justice. 
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people or where in our people 
who are really grounded in those

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worlds and leaders there. 
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educators and social movers of 
all kinds that have been guests 

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at EA and. 
Four of those people. 

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Are joining me now for a new 
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And for me this is something 
that has been known internally 

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for the last couple of years, 
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been trying to figure out how to
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happening currently in 
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next year or two, three years, 
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power and share leadership. 
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believe we've already moved out 
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leadership. 
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top down power models anymore. 
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me to figure out how to move 
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creative baby of mine, of 
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working on and it was like my 
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turn that into actually a 
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about community building. 
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Alicia came on as our community 
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with me and with the embodied 
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with tech platforms that 
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sometimes don't, trying to 
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cyberspace and also in our real 
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how do we Co create something 
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And so our, our, our team GABS, 
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been facilitating at EA now for 
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relationships and creating 
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And I was so honored and excited
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the invitation to come in as Co 
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what embodied astrology is going
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And so over the last couple of 
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emergent process around 
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What does a program look like 
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embodied astrology program that 
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areas of life and that will 
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deepen their own research and 
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We invited folks to come in with
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research directions and to 
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skills, what they've been 
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interests to the realms of 
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what astrology can be. 
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of have you know our version of 
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like that, an emergent space 
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a container, but a lot can get 
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Played with here. 
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is also to have Co leadership 
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Createspace where we are all 
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update the language of 
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Astrology like any philosophy or
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people feel it a spiritual 
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Like any language, it needs to 
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It has to meet the times and the
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Most of us are practitioners of 
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astrology, which has developed 
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Western world. 
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by colonial mindsets, by 
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perspectives, by empire and 
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and white supremacy, Eurocentric
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capitalism. 
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updating the language and 
approaching it with critical 

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analysis, allowing symbolism to 
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forms, researching more deeply 
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and symbols, reclaiming and 
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symbolic mythic cosmologies and 
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have been appropriated, erased, 
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of tropical astrology. 
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with other astrological forms. 
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We're all like, this is a 
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archetype and intuition. 
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emergent space and we're 
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to start with the astrological 
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So there's no rush to like start
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We're looking at the next couple
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program to continue to build. 
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wanting to share with you all 
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And we're also really wanting to
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with passions, with longings. 
We're interested in how you are 

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wanting to use and be with and 
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We're interested in what you're 
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community spaces that are doing 
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work. 
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aligned with the astrology of 
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And I've been meditating with 
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weeks as I've been starting to 
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head readings. 
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I've been looking at for the 
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And I've had conversations with 
everybody on this team about it,

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where we're all looking ahead at
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whoa bro, what's coming? 
Like this is a big shift in 

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2025. 
All the outer planets are gonna 

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change signs. 
We are looking at a coordination

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of outer planet energies in the 
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There's a lot of symbolism here 
that could go in so many 

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different directions. 
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human consciousness does. 
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opportunities for incredible 
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and innovation. 
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to experience the technological 
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powers. 
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we can learn in times of extreme
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and how I think many of us 
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actually not what the dominant 
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that it's all about self 
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other. 
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Orient towards survival through 
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and community work and creating 
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decentralized power and creative
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perspectives leading. 
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are committed to and curious 
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astrology into the conversation 
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So I think I'll. 
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more prompts for me and and I'll
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That's great. 
Thank you very much. 

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I would love to hear from each 
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has been bringing up for each of
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thinking about your offerings 
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years. 
Ramon, out of our group usually 

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go first. 
I'm seeing you. 

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I think my starting point for 
these coming years and one of my

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starting points in the study and
work with astrology is is really

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around the outer planets. 
In my own chart I've got a 

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Neptune conjunct Sun and a 
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node pretty close to Pluto. 
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the energy of the outer planets 
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yeah, I almost, I almost have to
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Like I I think I tend to live a 
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sort of like the collective big 
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typical Sagittarius big picture 
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So that's that's what I've been 
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I think I really started to 
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in 2011 and it's station direct.
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the very night that's when 
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And after that I was like wow, I
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something and and not only do I 
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outer planets and astrology in 
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think what I'm I'm really 
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working with and like using the 
the changes as moments to 

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initiate certain types of 
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So the phrase that came to me 
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thinking of astrology as a 
calendar for coordinated, 

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simultaneous, dispersed, 
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And that's a mouthful. 
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when certain alignments happen 
like get with your people and 

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like check the theme out and 
then do something with it and 

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and that that could look a lot 
of different ways that could be 

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interpreted a lot of different 
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But I I'm really thinking about 
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to to initiate certain types of 
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So that'll make more sense in a 
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Am I going to the right 
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going and kind of spell out 
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equity and the the take that I'm
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that is going to be kind of 
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outer planets. 
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energies that are arranging 
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artificial intelligence, 
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language of historical People's 
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What does it mean that people 

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are developing the capacity to 
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billions of dollars to try to 
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outthink us? 
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grips on those kinds of powers 
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same consciousness organizing 
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organizing tools of historical 
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how are we going to encounter 
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whole new layer of, you know, 
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Adrian Molina or Molina speaks. 
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storyteller, rapper and he had a
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an itchy conscience about it. 
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that is the Uranus and Jupiter 
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Neptune Jupiter conjunction in 
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take place in physical space at 
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I see some students and 
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on the line. 
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physical, and it's also going to
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embodied astrology. 
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through working with astrology 
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Afrofuturism and ancestral 
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the Electric Black Earth 
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blah. 
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is like, you know, how do we 
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from from big corporates who are
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all that kind of stuff? 
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embodied, futures that that work
with our ancestral wisdom, 

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futures that don't lose the 
intelligence that we've gained 

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from the various people's 
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years, You know, and futures 
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exclusively Eurocentric 
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stuff and they'll be sort of 
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and other things that will be 
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the day. 
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kind of going to be working on 
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it's a conversation that we hope
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then see if a if a project 
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strategic visioning. 
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creating some type of document 
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major astrological transits 
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say, OK, next 25 years, what are
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how might we kind of use those 
in relationship to liberation 

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movements? 
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So if we've got like right now 
the transit that's coming up in 

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the fall or excuse me in the 
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what I get to thinking about 
there is food justice, food 

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sovereignty. 
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Uranus and Taurus, excuse me, 
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attention towards things of the 
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and trying to create a sort of, 
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don't know, like informational 
prompts for people who were 

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involved in social movements. 
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back at 2020 and the the outer 
planet transits that happened 

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there. 
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other kind of proof that 
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at 2020 and if and if that's any
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collective's moving, we should 
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dispersed knowledge of the major
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happening in the next 25 years. 
So that's a project that we're 

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all going to start this year. 
I we're I'm inviting, we're 

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inviting each other to start. 
I don't want to speak for you 

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all. 
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to kind of initiate that 
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aligned up with any major 
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again and myself will be hosting
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embodied Astrology Retreat and 
that's going to be also in 

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Colorado at the Eco Dharma 
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They'll have, their website will
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information about that retreat 
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embodied astrology and also in 
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to say to Ecodarma's, they're 
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that is really looking at how to
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methods of Zen, particularly 
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like Zen Peacemaker order and 
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based in to questions of of of 
of sustainability and 

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environmental justice. 
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they hold it and the retreat 
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going to be a sort of 
fundamentals I think and 

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embodied astrology. 
But also how do we take some of 

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what we're learning about our 
charts and this historical 

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moment and apply it to try to 
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to say. 
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any level of astrological 
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foundational deal that is 
October 24th through 27th and 

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then the last thing we're last 
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We'll do another podcast on 
November 23rd or 24th as Pluto 

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reenters, It's going to 
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and then reenter Aquarius, and 
that's going to continue on this

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theme of AI, artificial 
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psychedelics and the resurgence 
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are now legal for personal 
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and therapeutic usage. 
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similar types of legalizations 
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So, you know, I, I, I'm like, 
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psychedelics about to just spray
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I think we should talk about 
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So we'll do another podcast 
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haven't quite picked the dates 
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about the potential of astrology
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It's like it's a complex system.
It's not a binary system. 

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It's not saying you're right, 
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organization and there are these
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How could we use, let's say, if 
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how could we use the birth chart
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some potential embedded 
conflicts? 

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How could we look at the like 
different parties who are 

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involved in their birth charts 
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How do we take a problem and 
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it out there as a as a as a kind
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You know who's the Saturn in the
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Who's holding the the the 
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Who's the unpredictable Uranus 
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Where's the initiative and the 
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Where's the Mars at, right. 
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What are those energies in 
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This is all work in progress, 
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overview sketch and I think I 
will stop there unless there's 

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any questions. 
Gabs, I would love to to ask you

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the same. 
I know there are so many 

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exciting things that you've been
thinking into for for next year,

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and I think people would love to
hear them all. 

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Thank you, Alicia. 
Yeah, I think a lot. 

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So I've been thinking a lot in 
many different things. 

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I think it's my son Mercury 
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house. 
I think one of the first things 

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that I'm interested is as Ramon 
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everyone that is tuned into the 
transit is the transit of Pluto 

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and Aquarius and how this is 
affecting us collectively, 

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especially in new technologies. 
I'm also an art visual artist 

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and photographer, and this year 
I started this research on 

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artificial intelligence around 
gender dissidences. 

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So I work a lot with trends and 
gender nonconforming people and 

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I have a photography project 
where I interview and photograph

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trans folks. 
So I started this other project,

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kind of like trying to 
investigate what AI understand 

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of like transgender, the wording
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Assuming that this is, this is 
what is stored in the collective

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cautious, but also after some 
time I started using AI for 

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other reasons and I'm taking 
artist residency this next year 

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in Sao Paulo. 
I'm from Brazil and in the very 

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South of Brazil, So I'm going to
Sao Paulo this year for this 

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artist residency there. 
And I'll be investigating a 

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project that I feel is something
that I want to share at embodied

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astrology. 
Like I want to link the the two 

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things that I'm doing with 
astrology and this artistic 

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research that is pretty much. 
It's very complex for me to 

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explain. 
But I'm wondering, like, through

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this lens of like, gender, I 
started questioning like the 

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fiction about this reality. 
Thinking about like, you know, 

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like how baby showers are 
revealing the expectations that 

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are falling on a child even 
before they are born. 

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And this discussions with AI, 
what makes us human, the age of 

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disinformation, fake news, and 
all of this relationship with 

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archival photography. 
So I started questioning like 

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the limits of post truth, where 
is true. 

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I have like I'm going to read 
some keywords and phrases 

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because I have to take notes of 
them, otherwise I just I lose 

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them in my mind. 
So I just want to say that this 

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is very linked to some things 
that I'm reading today, which is

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also feeling that we are so 
rushed and that we need to have 

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to like spam time. 
So queer timing and I can 

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explain this a bit later. 
What is real post truth set a 

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container around time, The past 
is ongoing and the future is 

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now. 
What happens when we are 

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witnessed by something? 
What happens when something is 

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witnessed? 
Time traveling. 

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The dissolving of self 
photography as a way of 

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questioning realities 
daydreaming micro movements, 

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space to be dream lab in slash 
sanity Co created experiences. 

455
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,800
What is time the water is about 
to break the last breath before 

456
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,880
birth turning into a self. 
But how can we think about the 

457
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,440
opposite of this self dissolving
as a way of turning into a self 

458
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,720
labour already started 
dilatation is happening before 

459
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360
crowning. 
Push away and reach for it is OK

460
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440
to move to a new thing. 
Birth as trauma. 

461
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,520
How the self has been 
constructed in a modern society.

462
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
A goal of not conclusion. 
Time travelling together. 

463
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Merging shift, shifter, 
transness across time. 

464
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Other words, words are possible.
They have existed and do exist. 

465
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,840
Fluidity. 
Counterproductive time. 

466
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Anyway, the list goes on and on 
and I can share somewhere this 

467
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,800
list, but I feel the main things
that I'm working are like time 

468
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,120
and time travelling, post truth 
and reality, collective futurism

469
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,160
and the solving of self, Hospice
and modernity, daydreaming, 

470
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,760
memory, identity and 
contradiction. 

471
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,800
And the the piece of 
contradiction is something that 

472
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,880
I feel it relates a lot to my 
chart. 

473
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,240
I have many oppositions, 
including a Neptune moon 

474
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:11,760
opposition that made me feel 
through my life, that I always 

475
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,240
had to choose between one 
another. 

476
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,640
And as a good Gemini, I've been 
realizing that I can actually 

477
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,680
hold both and more. 
So this is kind of like what I'm

478
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,480
trying to do this year, create 
something together. 

479
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,360
There's this thing about 
photography too that we are in. 

480
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,520
This S Paul B Prasad who says 
like the cyber surveillance era 

481
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,280
where we are self-serve. 
I don't know the name, the word 

482
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,320
for this English, but we are the
the surveillance is like us 

483
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680
applying to ourselves. 
So we have our phones always 

484
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:05,400
with us and we are releasing 
this data for this, who knows 

485
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:11,159
what you know? 
And I'm like, how can I talk 

486
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:17,400
about like Hospice and modernity
and like building a new future 

487
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,679
and criticizing this and at the 
same time was using all of this 

488
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,719
technology, using a camera. 
And I feel this is kind of like 

489
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,920
the contradiction to that I want
to hold this year I offered a 

490
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:39,199
workshop one year that was about
self partiture. 

491
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,080
And I'm seeing some people that 
took this workshop, self 

492
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,120
partiture, using the the angles 
of a birth chart. 

493
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,600
So the AC, the Ascendant 
descendant, human quality and 

494
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,320
with heaven. 
And it was really fun. 

495
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,800
It was like really, really, 
really fun. 

496
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:06,080
And I wanted to offer something 
that could use photography, but 

497
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,360
I wanted to cooperate together 
because I've been feeling more 

498
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,400
and more that I I just want to 
gather and and you know, like 

499
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,280
listen to other people. 
And really I think that the 

500
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600
piece of time is very important 
to me. 

501
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,320
I don't know at the same time 
that I think about the future. 

502
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,040
The future doesn't exist. 
The only thing that exists is 

503
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,440
now. 
So it's kind of like this thing 

504
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,600
that I'm that I want to create a
container for. 

505
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,440
And so during this workshop one 
of the people that were there 

506
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,720
created the self portraits that 
I that has stayed with me in my 

507
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:51,160
heart and my mind that was like 
a self parted as the the clock 

508
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:57,120
on the bed table and it was a 
video like time lapse and it was

509
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,640
so beautiful and they invited 
this question of the witnessing 

510
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,760
of like how non human objects 
and things witness us. 

511
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,400
And I feel this is something 
that I also want to work this 

512
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,160
year anyway. 
And I'm interested also 

513
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,400
something that caught my 
attention is that we are 

514
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,280
entering this year, you know, 
not the astrological calendar, 

515
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,640
but we are entering this year 
with the Mercury stationing 

516
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:38,120
direct at 22 sage and Mercury 
will be I think at 18 or 19° 

517
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:46,400
sage at the beginning of 2025. 
And although you know times of 

518
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
creation. 
So we are just celebrating 

519
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,120
something that someone said this
is the beginning of a new year. 

520
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,600
I also feel there's lots of 
potential to this because so 

521
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,560
many minds are tuned and 
thinking about like the future 

522
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,080
together and like setting 
tensions for the future. 

523
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,440
And I've been wondering what, 
you know, like this degree 

524
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,840
means. 
And I feel like that beginning 

525
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
and ending the year with all of 
the transitions that are 

526
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,600
happening and kind of like with 
mercury almost at the same place

527
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,080
feels like suspending the time. 
It's like we are living a whole 

528
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:38,120
instant in a whole year. 
And when I was reading about the

529
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Sabian symbol for Sagittarius, 
the 22°, it's the 23rd degree. 

530
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,240
The keynote is cautiously 
accepting the ways of a new 

531
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:56,240
stage of experience and 
readiness for the opportunities 

532
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,280
it will present. 
And it talks about that we find 

533
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,160
ourselves in a period of 
transition and in the inside 

534
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,840
degree there is like the 
mentioning of like innovative 

535
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,840
paths, cellular awakening, 
needing to know just how it 

536
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:18,840
feels at the micro levels. 
And I talked a lot and I and I'm

537
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,480
coming to like I think probably 
the most important piece of like

538
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,320
why am I thinking about all of 
this, which is the Neptune 

539
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,920
transit through the interactive 
degree of Pisces, which is the 

540
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,640
last degree of Pisces. 
So Neptune is going to stay 

541
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:43,120
there for I think 5 months 
during 2024, and since I'm 

542
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,200
reading the Sabian symbol, just 
gonna grab here. 

543
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:55,360
So then Rudyard says that I see 
30° is a majestic rock formation

544
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,760
resembling a face idealized by a
boy who takes it as his ideal of

545
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,640
greatness and as he grows up, 
begins to look like it. 

546
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,880
So it's about starting a new 
universe, the latent power in 

547
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,440
all the seeds, so the power to 
produce and guide the growth, 

548
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,760
the capacity of self 
transformation. 

549
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:29,480
And we are discussing a lot in 
our meetings together about this

550
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,280
dissolving of self. 
And one of the things that I 

551
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,400
read from my keywords and 
phrases was like how can we 

552
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:42,320
think about the opposite of 
turning into a self? 

553
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,720
Like using the self dissolving 
as a way of turning into a self.

554
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Anyway, I've I really want to 
work with all of these energies 

555
00:39:53,720 --> 00:40:01,280
and I have some dates that may 
change, but for now I will start

556
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,440
this conversation in May at the 
beginning of May, May 4th. 

557
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,280
Because of May 2nd, Pluto goes 
retrograde and then we'll have 

558
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,840
some gatherings on July, 
September, October and November.

559
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,680
And I feel like we'll really use
images and photography but also 

560
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,960
like writing at the end. 
I really want us to build a 

561
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,320
collective Zing together and I'm
very excited for this. 

562
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,720
I feel this was something that I
wanted to have done in my last 

563
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:40,560
workshop because we had such 
amazing not only images, but 

564
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,360
like people are like really like
really attuned to their 

565
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,720
discoveries and like reading 
images and imagining the birth 

566
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:59,720
chart. 
So yeah, there's a lot. 

567
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Thank you, Gabs. 
Yeah, if anyone hasn't checked 

568
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520
out that series, I learned so 
much about myself through the 

569
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,960
cardinal angles. 
It was incredible. 

570
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,280
I just want to reply to the I 
can expand more on queer time. 

571
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:24,400
I feel like Sherry should talk a
bit about about your offering 

572
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,920
and then and if you have more, 
we have more time, I will expend

573
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,640
more. 
Otherwise I think it is because 

574
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,160
I as a Gemini I I go and I go 
and I talk a lot and I feel 

575
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:44,840
sometimes Renee can filter a bit
more and I feel that Renee was 

576
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,640
the one that came up with the 
term query time. 

577
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,360
So I'm also happy if Renee can 
want to explain more about this 

578
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,720
later. 
I don't think I came up with 

579
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:02,440
that term, 'cause I know I've 
heard it and I feel like any 

580
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,760
queer person. 
And when I say that, like, 

581
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,640
welcome to queer, to queerness. 
I don't know how people are 

582
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,280
defining that these days, but I 
think that to queer something is

583
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,040
to. 
Melt its form and let it be 

584
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,120
organic and natural and 
multiplicitous, multi 

585
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,680
dimensional and sometimes 
contradictory. 

586
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:36,320
And Gabs and I had a really 
stimulating meeting this past 

587
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,320
week. 
Yes, all queers kind of 

588
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,360
instinctively know what queer 
time is, I think, because 

589
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,800
querying something is pushing 
back on the conceptually imposed

590
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,000
limits that human beings have 
come up with. 

591
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,360
And human beings have come up 
with all kinds of limits for our

592
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,680
experiences, limits on gender, 
sexuality, love, limits on time.

593
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,160
And as we do the work in our own
cohort of breaking away from 

594
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,960
calendar time, from the 
Gregorian calendar time, like we

595
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,440
are also in it, You know, like 
we, I I'll speak for myself. 

596
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680
I had like a whole anxiety 
moment. 

597
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,920
That I I pulled Alicia. 
Into right and I was like. 

598
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Oh my God, it's the end of 2023.
Like, we have to let people know

599
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,480
what's going on for next year. 
But then everybody's retrograde.

600
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,520
Nobody's ready. 
We are very much in an emergent 

601
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
process. 
And then I was like, oh LOL, 

602
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,560
we're not working on astral time
like we're not on planetary 

603
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,200
time, but we are astral 
travellers and planetary 

604
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,800
devotees, so of course nobody is
ready. 

605
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,640
And Gabs and I had a 
conversation this past week with

606
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,680
a a a new friend that we're 
really excited to bring into the

607
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,840
EA space for a conversation at 
some point over the year. 

608
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,360
Who studies time? 
And who studies the way that 

609
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,040
time has been mapped and 
encapsulated and thought of in 

610
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,920
many different cultures, 
paradigms and planetarily. 

611
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,880
There's so many ways to map 
time. 

612
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,480
In Western culture, we map time 
on the Gregorian calendar. 

613
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,120
There's timing that can be 
mapped to the sun, timing that 

614
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,440
can be mapped to the moon, 
timing that can be mapped to 

615
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Venus and Mercury and Mars and 
Jupiter and the visible planets,

616
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,400
timing that can be mapped to 
cycles of growth. 

617
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,640
And when we're thinking about 
querying time, I think one of 

618
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
the things that we're thinking 
of is expanding time and also 

619
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,920
collapsing time. 
And Gabs was mentioning these 

620
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,640
two different outer planet 
cycles, Pluto and Neptune, over 

621
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,000
the course of 2024, hanging out 
at the last degrees of their 

622
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,480
signs, the 29th degree or 30th 
degree, depending on how you 

623
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,360
count. 
Which can also be queered, but 

624
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,320
it's called the anoretic degree 
and a lot of their keywords were

625
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,120
in this in between space. 
I I think probably folks heard 

626
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:22,440
it like this morphing mutating 
space that especially as we push

627
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,760
into 2025 that. 
Last degree between Pisces and 

628
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Aries is getting real stimulated
and there are new concepts of 

629
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,440
selfhood and individuality 
emerging in collective 

630
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,000
consciousness and in societal 
consciousness right now. 

631
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,520
And I think a lot of those 
concepts will be very influenced

632
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,560
by time, ancestral time, 
Ancestral future, time life 

633
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:54,040
cycle time, time of the era. 
So yeah, I would, I can. 

634
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,480
I also have multiple Gemini, 
Sagittarius placements and we'll

635
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,960
talk for two hours about 
queering time. 

636
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,760
So I'll just leave it there and 
pass it on to Sherry, because I 

637
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520
think Sherry's going to pick up 
these things too. 

638
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,600
Hello. 
So as I'm sitting here I just 

639
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,360
think I'm so excited the every 
time we meet there's like a 

640
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,960
series of synchronicities and 
I'm just like sometimes I feel 

641
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:28,120
like I'm watching something 
constellate and it makes me so 

642
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,200
excited. 
We really wanted to create an 

643
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,800
emergent space, so I have my 
notes here, but I want to read 

644
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,400
you my keywords first because 
Gabs and I got together one day 

645
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:48,080
and just like keyworded out, my 
keywords are dissolve, Decay, 

646
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,280
Dissipate, Disperse, Collapse, 
Commune, Conjoin, Chaos, 

647
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Creation, Alchemy, Deluge, 
Nurture, Krone, Primordial, 

648
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Ripening, Deep Time, Big 
history, Kenosis, gnosis, 

649
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,720
dreams, prophecy, solitude, 
grandmother, cynics, Bone, 

650
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,880
mother. 
And then some of the themes that

651
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,400
I have that have been bubbling 
up. 

652
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,600
I don't even want to say I've 
been thinking because I in the 

653
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,600
process of creating this, I just
got to tell Y'all I've been 

654
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,600
revisited by dreams that I've 
had like years ago. 

655
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
And again, just these little 
synchronicities that make it 

656
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:45,200
feel like I just get to be a 
host for whatever wants to 

657
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,640
happen. 
And that maybe that's a segue 

658
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,920
into. 
That's really the approach that 

659
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:58,240
I I want to hold this year is 
one of being a host, providing 

660
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:06,240
enough invisible structure so 
that the collective that gathers

661
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,520
the third entity that gets 
created whenever a group gets 

662
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,920
together can just have space to 
move as it sees fit. 

663
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
And with that said, we're not 
done with Saturn. 

664
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,240
I'm not done with Saturn. 
Saturn's not done with me. 

665
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:26,080
Saturn's not done with us. 
Saturn is still in Pisces, And 

666
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,320
so I recently left a message for
Renee. 

667
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,600
I was like, I feel like Saturn 
is asking us to prepare our 

668
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,640
vessels. 
And that led me to really like 

669
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,720
again this idea of time and the 
future and really querying that,

670
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,640
but also realizing that queer 
time is the time of the universe

671
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,160
because the universe is changed,
the universe is processed, 

672
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,160
consciousness is process. 
I am consciousness. 

673
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,760
The self is something greater 
than any of us can actually 

674
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,120
fathom and we make up these 
stories, right. 

675
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,360
So having said that, my offering
has gone through several 

676
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,160
transitions I would like for one
day. 

677
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,680
I'll maybe I'll post this, but 
it involves, of course, this is 

678
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,560
the Virgo in me, a braided 
calendar involving teddy bear, 

679
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,280
emojis and all kinds of things. 
Maybe I'll I'm I'm going to keep

680
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,520
artifacts of my process, I 
think. 

681
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,960
But I actually wanted to start 
this by really acknowledging the

682
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,600
lineages of my teachers, in no 
particular order. 

683
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,680
Jessica Murray, Juanita 
Benedicto, Jessica Deruzza, 

684
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Diana Rose Bear River. 
Richard Tarnas, Ray Sapp, Austin

685
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Kabak, Renee Stills. 
And, you know, the the community

686
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,360
at EA. 
I feel like I learned so much by

687
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,120
following conversations, by kind
of really thinking, coming to 

688
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,880
the tee times. 
It's really kind of expanded and

689
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,760
transformed my own way of 
understanding, you know, kind of

690
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,040
again, where I see myself as an 
astrologer. 

691
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,920
And I think again, all of us are
astrologers. 

692
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,440
And I, before I kind of really 
get into what I'm hoping to do, 

693
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,160
I want to situate myself. 
So I spent a lot of years doing 

694
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,920
a lot of formalized education 
and I got really clear a number 

695
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,200
of years ago that I'm absolutely
not interested in that anymore. 

696
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,800
I'm a Mystic. 
I'm a contemplative. 

697
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,080
I want to learn via direct 
knowledge. 

698
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,520
And it's not that I don't 
appreciate right tradition, I 

699
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,680
do. 
You know, we all got a Saturn. 

700
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:57,480
I I appreciate tradition. 
I appreciate appreciate lineage 

701
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,640
in that way. 
And as I think part of what 

702
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:08,480
everyone has been saying like we
evolve astrology, right. 

703
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,960
And so a quote from Claire 
Martin and it it kind of started

704
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,040
me on something and it's in from
the book it's called mapping the

705
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,840
psyche. 
Claire writes it is some 

706
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,080
sometimes said that the planets 
have stopped speaking to us 

707
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,160
because we have stopped 
listening to them. 

708
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:35,920
And so my invitation is last 
year Saturn in Pisces, it was so

709
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,440
much information, it was a lot 
of breadth, right. 

710
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,800
This year Saturn is telling me 
to go deeper. 

711
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:54,240
So this year is going to be 
depth oriented practice with 

712
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:59,920
Saturn within the container of 
the Saturn retrograde cycle. 

713
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:06,880
So it's going to really expand 
for the entire astrological 

714
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:16,720
year, but be grouped more or 
less in sort of three, you can 

715
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,320
call them. 
I'm referring to them as 

716
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,760
devotional periods because, 
again, I have learned a lot from

717
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,440
astronomancers, you know, 
astrological magicians. 

718
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:35,080
And it is about developing a 
very personal relationship, 

719
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:41,960
right, To really see the face of
Saturn, you know, that you're 

720
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,960
working with, because that's the
other thing, right? 

721
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,880
We talk about archetypes, as 
Renee was saying, the archetypes

722
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,800
that we have for understanding 
any of the planets have evolved 

723
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,880
under patriarchy. 
You know what I mean? 

724
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,360
So that's that's and we, you 
know, it's up to us to break 

725
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,760
them free actually, right. 
They need us to break them free 

726
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,720
and that is at the heart of a 
participatory universe, right. 

727
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:17,280
So, So yes. 
So it's going to launch, fingers

728
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:25,560
crossed, March the 23rd when 
Saturn enters the pre retrograde

729
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:33,080
shadow at 12° of Pisces. 
And here's the other thread. 

730
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,480
And here's why. 
Here's why. 

731
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,400
Because the other thread that I 
I got really kind of entranced 

732
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,280
by, especially with this idea of
futures, is, you know, spooky 

733
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,200
action at a distance, quantum 
entanglement. 

734
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,640
All of this is with an eye to 
August the 20, August the 20th, 

735
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:02,160
2025, when there is going to be 
what's called a Talent Triangle 

736
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:09,360
between Neptune and Saturn are 
going to be conjunct and Uranus 

737
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,960
and Pluto are going to be 
sextile. 

738
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,880
Neptune and Saturn and trying 
each other. 

739
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:24,920
That is a major moment. 
I feel for something to come in 

740
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,320
to existence. 
You know, Neptune and Pisces is 

741
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:37,320
the ultimate generative energy. 
Saturn, the meeting of spirit 

742
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:43,520
and matter, energized by the 
electricity and innovation of 

743
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,040
Uranus and the transformative 
power of Pluto. 

744
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,720
Catch you while you can, is what
I'm saying. 

745
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,760
But we gotta. 
But you can't. 

746
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,680
You know that's a lot of energy.
So and Saturn as a 

747
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:03,000
representation of material 
reality, our physical bodies 

748
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:10,280
our, you know, our ego quote 
really like how can we engage in

749
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,800
a practice that is so personal 
and granular. 

750
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,080
So this is it, right. 
So this is, you know, I'm where 

751
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,480
it's a grand experiment in 
quantum entanglement with that 

752
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,000
moment in time, right. 
How what we're doing right now 

753
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:29,840
can actually shape what will 
occur. 

754
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:35,360
What's possible not for us. 
But also those are all right the

755
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:40,440
outer planets like that's the 
collective and it feels like a 

756
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,320
it's just an experiment. 
I don't know. 

757
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,360
But it's coming to me like that.
So spooky spooky action at a 

758
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,280
distance. 
Quantum entanglement. 

759
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,080
So yes. 
So it's it's going to talk. 

760
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,800
We're gonna have a period 
through each. 

761
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,520
Each devotional period is going 
to be broken up into reflection,

762
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:06,600
which is a real deepening into 
you what what do you have? 

763
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,360
You know, like what's going on 
with you and Saturn? 

764
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,560
What's going on, you know, in 
Pisces, you know, and just kind 

765
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,560
of really cultivating that 
coming up with a question in 

766
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,120
allyship. 
Sometimes you create a petition 

767
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,960
to a planetary body, you know, 
to ask you like, how do for me, 

768
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,920
like themes have been coming up 
about how do I mature my 

769
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,960
capacity to offer care to myself
and to other people. 

770
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,680
Saturn, Saturn can help with 
that, right? 

771
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
You know, themes of 
vulnerability, compassion, 

772
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,280
belonging, wisdom, right? 
We all have the capacity to be 

773
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,440
wise, right? 
That's it has nothing to do with

774
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,640
age. 
So some of the things we're 

775
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,080
going to explore, we'll wait, 
no. 

776
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,640
So there will be a reflective 
period. 

777
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,440
Then there's going to be a 
curated experience of release. 

778
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,680
And I've thought about 
everything from inviting friends

779
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,360
in to offer, you know, sound 
baths, writing deep listening, 

780
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,480
just let's let's get in, let's 
get in there right and start to 

781
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,320
release. 
Right. 

782
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,080
And that's the process of 
kinosis, a kind of self 

783
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,040
emptying. 
And that is timed with the 

784
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,520
balsamic moon, which is not the 
new moon, but the dark moon, the

785
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,760
fertile moon, the moon where the
seed is in the dark, right in 

786
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,080
the earth, doing its thing, 
incubating, having its own 

787
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,840
conversation with the soil. 
So there'll be reflection, 

788
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,760
release and then rest. 
Then we're going to rest and 

789
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,720
that those are going to be 
moments of communion, right 

790
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,120
Again, some of them. 
And it'll just be like, I've 

791
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,960
thought about everything. 
And we talked to Renee, like, 

792
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,360
maybe it'll be a community meal 
where we just come and eat 

793
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,440
together sometimes. 
Maybe it'll be a movie night. 

794
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,160
I have a lot of movies that I 
could show you know about the 

795
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,800
the planets actually and just to
have those conversations to 

796
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,840
really start to build some 
connective, build the connective

797
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:32,080
tissue right of the larger body.
OK. 

798
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:38,320
So rest, I mean reflection 
release and rest and each each 

799
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,320
period is just going to proceed 
just like that until you know so

800
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:51,040
from March to March, March 2024 
to March 2025 explorer 

801
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,120
alchemical process archetypes 
deep time. 

802
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:02,280
I have invited some folks 
astronomers right who's think 

803
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,720
about deep time and think about 
the space-time continuum you 

804
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,120
know and and really sort of like
to plant us more firmly in the 

805
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:16,440
universe right. 
You know, it's this cosmic clock

806
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,920
that we're all kind of a part 
of. 

807
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,880
What is it like? 
The whole, the whole of 

808
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,880
everything anyone knows about 
human history, if it was put in 

809
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,640
a year, is the last 10 seconds 
of December the 31st, right? 

810
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,160
That's all of human history. 
The cosmos is so much bigger. 

811
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,560
And I just wonder what happens 
when we Orient to, to 

812
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:46,240
understanding ourselves in that 
way in time, across time, right.

813
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,920
And you know, also I've been 
studying things about paradigm 

814
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,840
shifts, right? 
And the fact that it's, it's 

815
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,880
less about figuring out the 
future versus discovering the 

816
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,200
future, right? 
It's already here. 

817
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:08,600
It's already here, right? 
And then then finally, you know 

818
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,920
again from the perspective of 
deep time and cosmology, looking

819
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:19,240
at what are from astrophysicists
and and whatnot, the cosmic 

820
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,440
powers of the universe, of which
things like seamlessness, 

821
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,800
centration, my, a favorite of 
mine, allurement, right? 

822
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,200
Beauty is actually a cosmic 
power of the universe that 

823
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,240
attracts right, attracts 
communities together with, you 

824
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,520
know, like let's put it in 
perspective, right. 

825
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:45,000
That is the cosmos. 
Emergence homeostasis. 

826
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,840
Cataclysm, right. 
Cataclysm. 

827
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,240
You know, the universe has 
completely undone itself like 

828
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,880
five times. 
Why do we think that we, why do 

829
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,440
we think it's going to be any 
different for us, you know like,

830
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,720
but how can we like be together 
in the midst of like cataclysmic

831
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:07,520
changes and do it, you know, do 
so with Grace and again more 

832
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:12,440
care anyway synergy, 
transmutation, transformation, 

833
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:18,440
interrelatedness and radiance. 
So we'll be exploring a lot 

834
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:24,840
within the a limbic of Saturn's 
retrograde, but with an eye to a

835
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,120
moment that hasn't happened yet,
but that we, you know, are are 

836
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,400
cultivating right now. 
So I'm hoping to see you all 

837
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,720
there. 
I could say more but I'm going 

838
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,880
to be quiet because I too am a 
mercury ruled person and can can

839
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,840
carry on. 
But right now, the tentative 

840
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,640
title for it is Solvay ET 
Coagula, which is Dissolve and 

841
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,920
Congeal. 
Oh wait, I have to finish with a

842
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,360
quote from somebody, because I 
think it really sums up what I'm

843
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,560
trying to say here. 
And this is from Jessica de 

844
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,760
Rouza. 
And, Jessica writes, I guess the

845
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,280
one last thing I want to say is 
the task of the role of humans 

846
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,240
right now in this cosmic love 
affair of Saturn and Neptune is 

847
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,240
finding ways for us to begin to 
align with spirit and matter 

848
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,560
coming together in their 
reunion. 

849
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,240
It's a love affair that 
transcends each one of our 

850
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,760
individual existences, and it's 
going to happen irrespective of 

851
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,800
whether we help it or not. 
So we can align ourselves in 

852
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,360
this teleological unfolding that
the cosmos is going through, and

853
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,960
we can become the vessels of 
embodiment, of incarnating the 

854
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,360
Divine through how we live 
moment to moment and most 

855
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,960
importantly, in our 
relationships to one another. 

856
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,360
Or we can remain unconscious and
it will happen anyway. 

857
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,360
So, you know, thank you. 
I'm excited. 

858
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:03,320
Thank you, Sherry, Sam says. 
Wow, largest mic drop indeed. 

859
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,200
I'll turn it over to Renee, not 
only to speak to their 

860
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,840
offerings, but also Janata's as 
Janata Petrus wasn't able to be 

861
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,000
here, but is very much a part of
the team. 

862
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,600
She's currently in Zanzibar and 
Africa, but we'll be back soon. 

863
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,120
So, Renee, I'll, I'll let you 
speak to some of what Janata's 

864
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,080
thinking about as well. 
Thank you, Alicia. 

865
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,600
Thank you, Sherry. 
Thank you, Gabs. 

866
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,400
Thank you, Ramon. 
Thank you, Michelle. 

867
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,640
Nice to see you there. 
As folks were talking, I was 

868
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,080
having a thought, which I have 
not had before, is a new thought

869
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,720
to me. 
But it seems kind of obvious now

870
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,200
that it has occurred in my mind,
which is that I think a lot of 

871
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,000
what we're doing here is 
creating a kind of contemporary 

872
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,440
mystery school. 
There is a tradition of mystery 

873
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:59,960
schools all over the world. 
Affiliations, programs, ideas, 

874
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:07,080
processes to help US evolve and 
facilitate rites of passage. 

875
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Rites of passage processes are 
about going into the unknown and

876
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,000
leaving behind what's familiar. 
And I have so much reverence and

877
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,320
respect for my astrological 
teachers and for for the for the

878
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,320
teachers in the past and for the
contemporary teachers. 

879
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,720
And I really value what is being
offered through programs like 

880
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:37,360
Kepler or Astrology University. 
Lots of astrologers have 

881
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,040
programs that they're offering 
right now. 

882
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,320
But what I can say about the 
embodied astrology space is that

883
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,880
we are not practicing fidelity 
to form. 

884
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:52,400
And that's actually our strength
that you know, we we are devoted

885
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,280
students and we will be bringing
in technique and lineage and 

886
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,840
method. 
But more than that, what we're 

887
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:07,120
inviting is experiential, 
playful, transformative process 

888
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,960
with this work. 
And in that way it is a very 

889
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,720
queer space. 
And Sherry and I have had a lot 

890
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,600
of conversations about planetary
devotional practices, planetary 

891
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:27,800
allyship, and in my practice 
over the course of of my own 

892
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
evolution with it. 
I've gone from being a student 

893
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,080
that really wants to learn the 
math, the method, how is this 

894
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,400
working? 
Like give me the give me the 

895
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,280
fundamental components and 
details of it to a practitioner 

896
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,040
that I could take it or leave 
it. 

897
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,440
A lot of the time, I trust that 
the chart is a body and that it 

898
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,840
is a portal, and actually that 
we are all deeply intuitive, 

899
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,520
psychic perhaps, and that 
astrology is one way that we can

900
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,400
access that field and that that 
field is expansive. 

901
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,120
It doesn't, actually. 
It's not contained in linear 

902
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,480
time. 
And this, this lineage, this 

903
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:16,280
practice of astrology is as old 
as human civilization, and all 

904
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,600
of the ancestors of this work 
played with it. 

905
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:25,160
And part of the trauma, I think,
of Western modernity is loss of 

906
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:32,280
playfulness and a real 
allegiance to like authorship 

907
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,320
and knowing and answering right 
and having a kind of formalized 

908
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,440
way and across the board. 
Everybody at EA is not 

909
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,040
interested in investing more in 
that and I just feel really 

910
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,880
grateful to be held in a 
community of cosmonauts and and 

911
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,600
embodied explorers. 
And I'm really calling that in 

912
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,800
terms of who's going to 
participate with us, that 

913
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,120
that's, you know, we are 
inviting you to come in and feel

914
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,200
with us and explore and imagine 
and let these practices 

915
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,920
stimulate you into your own 
transformation and meaning 

916
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:14,600
making. 
And I think that's a great segue

917
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,480
to talk about Janata Petras, who
has studied astrology since she 

918
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,680
was a teenager. 
She's in her 40s now. 

919
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,720
It has really shaped her 
perspective. 

920
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,560
She and I have had a lot of 
conversations about astrology 

921
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,880
and how it supported us, 
especially for our adolescence 

922
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,560
and young adulthoods. 
Some of you might be familiar 

923
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:44,280
with Janata's book The Stars and
the blackness between them. 

924
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,080
If anybody is looking for an 
amazing young adult fiction 

925
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,840
book, I highly recommend 
reading. 

926
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:58,320
This book was super healing for 
my inner adolescent self in in 

927
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,360
what in so many of what the 
examples were that should not 

928
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,960
have brought forward in terms of
liberated love, communal love, 

929
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,200
romantic love, friend love, 
family love. 

930
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,520
And throughout that book she 
weaves in astrology and that was

931
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,120
actually where we first 
connected. 

932
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,479
We found each other on the 
Internet and we were like you. 

933
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,160
And since then our conversations
have unfolded. 

934
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,840
So last year in 2023, Janata 
facilitated a four part series 

935
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:32,479
called Artistic Alchemy. 
Mutable the The Mutable Magic 

936
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,560
Magic of the Mutable Science for
Social, Creative and Satisfying 

937
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,600
Artistic Process in Life or 
something like that is a long, 

938
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:48,640
very mercurial title. 
And so we met near the new Moon 

939
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,319
in every mutable season and 
Junata invited us into the 

940
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,000
mutable placements and immutable
intelligences in our chart. 

941
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:01,319
We got to be inspired by her 
playlist and her chart examples 

942
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,840
and the artist that she brought 
in to really consider how 

943
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,279
mutability can support us in our
creative world, making and 

944
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:17,439
explorations and also practices.
I was so inspired by those 

945
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,080
sessions with her, and I know a 
lot of people also were. 

946
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,200
They were very deep community 
spaces. 

947
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,840
I felt like they were big 
support spaces for a lot of us, 

948
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,240
kind of working through our own,
you know, creative process, 

949
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,880
which sometimes can be a block, 
sometimes can feel really 

950
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,319
overwhelming, sometimes can be 
isolating. 

951
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,640
So that was a chance to really 
come together and share space in

952
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,800
very generative ways. 
So this year we're really 

953
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,840
excited to be welcoming Janata 
back, and Sherry's going to be 

954
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,000
holding the dark moon and 
Janata's going to be holding the

955
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,560
full moon spaces. 
And so somewhere around the full

956
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:04,240
moon, Janata will be joining us 
and she is interested in 

957
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:08,720
bringing in a couple different 
themes into her gatherings. 

958
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,360
And like all of us, what what's 
coming through her is emerging 

959
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,200
now. 
So we're very much in a in 

960
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,480
process moment of presenting to 
you what what we're going to be 

961
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,280
doing or the kind of directions 
we're headed. 

962
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,600
So as of right now, what we know
that Janata is really interested

963
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,200
in working with is continuing 
creative support space. 

964
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:37,400
So you in your creative process 
and life are invited to bring 

965
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,960
your projects, your curiosities,
your questions. 

966
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,040
And she wants to have support 
space for for creatives, for 

967
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,600
creative making, but also for 
creative beingness. 

968
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:53,240
Janata's also been talking a lot
about bringing in astrology to 

969
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,880
support relationships and to be 
thinking about the different 

970
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,960
forms that relationships take. 
Relationship to self, 

971
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,800
relationship to family, parent, 
child relationship, teacher, 

972
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:10,240
student relationship, and inside
of love and inside of queerness.

973
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:17,400
How do we navigate relationship?
Monogamy, polyamory, asexuality,

974
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,040
multi Emory. 
You know, there are so many 

975
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:26,920
different ways that people love 
and care for one another and are

976
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,200
responsible to each other and 
accountable to each other. 

977
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:36,560
And astrology is enormously 
supportive for relationship 

978
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:42,600
mapping. 
And she's interested as well in 

979
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,760
exploring different ages and so 
using astrology to jump through 

980
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:53,320
time and especially to be in 
conversation with our child 

981
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,600
selves, adolescent selves. 
She's been talking about 

982
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,680
rewilding as a practice and 
process. 

983
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:08,840
And there may be more. 
We, all of us are also in 

984
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,240
conversation with people outside
of EA. 

985
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,880
So Sherry mentioned bringing in 
some astronomer guests. 

986
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,400
I mentioned the potential guest 
Gabs and I might bring in the 

987
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,680
time. 
Researcher Janata has talked 

988
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,200
about guests that she's bringing
in. 

989
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:28,800
Ramona and Michelle are going to
be working with Adrian, so we're

990
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,720
excited to be braiding and 
weaving together inside of EA 

991
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,720
and outside of EA. 
So when we share the recording 

992
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,840
for today, we'll also share a 
video that Janata shared with us

993
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:49,000
and her ideations at the moment.
And then hopefully we'll also be

994
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,440
having another open house 
sometime in January. 

995
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,760
Right now our idea is to have 
our launch and kind of 

996
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,840
registration open by the end of 
January and most of our programs

997
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,120
beginning most of the program 
beginning in March and April. 

998
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,880
To clarify also in case folks 
are wondering, we're really into

999
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,200
options, if you if you haven't 
already picked that up, we're 

1000
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,960
really into options. 
And so there are going to be 

1001
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,240
options to drop into individual 
sessions for a lot of us. 

1002
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,040
Some of us are going to be 
grouping our sessions into 

1003
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,920
different segments like Sherry 
was talking about these 

1004
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:35,880
different kind of groupings of I
forget how you termed that in my

1005
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,160
mind right now, Sherry, But and 
there will also be an option for

1006
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,720
folks who really want to dive in
with us to do the whole program.

1007
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:52,320
And the whole program will 
probably be something around 

1008
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:57,160
twice a week offerings once 
everything is is collected 

1009
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,360
somewhere between one, one and 
two times per week, multiple 

1010
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,080
times a month that you can, 
yeah, navigate. 

1011
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,320
Our course constellations. 
We're all weaving with each 

1012
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,240
other. 
So even though everybody has 

1013
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:16,160
their own interests and quite 
different offerings, we're 

1014
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,840
definitely in conversation with 
each other and thinking about 

1015
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,560
how does this create a coherent 
gestalt. 

1016
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:29,280
So with that, I'll talk a little
bit about my direction this 

1017
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,720
year. 
I am really excited to be 

1018
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:39,840
returning to bodywork and 
somatic practice as an emphasis.

1019
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:49,040
I taught movement for for 20 
years, almost 15 years, 

1020
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,960
facilitating what some people 
could call yoga. 

1021
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,360
Sometimes I called it yoga, 
sometimes I called it other 

1022
01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,560
things. 
I worked a lot in my training, 

1023
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,560
with accessibility and adaptable
practices, working with folks 

1024
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,720
coming from all different kinds 
of body experiences. 

1025
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,520
My interest was how do we find 
healing, liberation, and 

1026
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,720
spiritual communion in our 
bodies, regardless of their 

1027
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,280
shape, their size, their 
momentary capabilities, 

1028
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,960
etcetera? 
That work brought me into the 

1029
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,400
realms of social justice. 
Doing work with with many 

1030
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:39,400
different bodies quickly, you 
know, provoked me to ask the 

1031
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,520
questions of like what are, what
are other forms of access that 

1032
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,480
people have, and what are the 
larger structures that are 

1033
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,760
creating conditions for bodies 
to be emerging and evolving 

1034
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,560
inside of. 
And as a person who is deeply 

1035
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,480
invested in my own path of 
liberation, I have to be 

1036
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:03,520
invested in yours and in ours. 
And I think that this is kind of

1037
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,000
like the timeless seeking that 
many of us feel ourselves 

1038
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,120
invested in, that we are deeply 
desiring our own freedom and our

1039
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,800
own happiness. 
And understanding that freedom 

1040
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,040
and happiness for anyone is 
absolutely intertwined with 

1041
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,840
freedom and happiness for all 
and the interrelationships and 

1042
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,600
reciprocity that humans have 
with the more than human realm 

1043
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,520
and our environmental components
that are not separate from our 

1044
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,240
bodies. 
Now over the last 10 years 

1045
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:44,960
building EA, my focus has been a
lot on astrology and studying 

1046
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,760
astrology, teaching astrology, 
mapping astrology. 

1047
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,000
And in that time I found myself 
getting more heady than I like 

1048
01:16:52,000 --> 01:17:01,080
to feel. 
And last year I started a new 

1049
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,480
class that in Pisces season of 
2023 called Somatic Space. 

1050
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:11,280
Some of you may have encountered
that weekly class where my 

1051
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,960
practice has been to explore 
astrology as a somatic score, 

1052
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,680
which is something that I've 
thought a lot about as a 

1053
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,200
concept. 
But to really kind of put that 

1054
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,000
into practice, like how do we 
navigate astrology through 

1055
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,880
movement, through visualization,
through meditation? 

1056
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,200
And how could I, as a 
facilitator, create a space 

1057
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:39,400
where bodies are welcome 
regardless of their ability, 

1058
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,360
social location, physical 
location, etcetera? 

1059
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,440
How do these practices translate
across distance and difference? 

1060
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,360
That's a question I'm still 
asking. 

1061
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,640
Definitely not one that I have 
any kind of solid answer for, 

1062
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,160
but a real curiosity. 
So in 2024, I'm excited to 

1063
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,440
continue with somatic space just
as a weekly class. 

1064
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:02,400
It's a drop in class. 
Anybody can come anytime. 

1065
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,400
If you sign up for the full 
program, you'll get access to 

1066
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,880
that. 
I'll also be continuing Tea 

1067
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,000
Time, which is a monthly 
gathering where we get together 

1068
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,040
and just talk about astrology. 
In the current moment in 2024, 

1069
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,560
the space will change a little 
bit. 

1070
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,720
Over the last few years it has 
been a space where we've done 

1071
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,360
chart work with the group and 
have invited folks to share 

1072
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,080
their charts and kind of feel 
into what's happening for 

1073
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,720
individuals. 
In 2024, we're going to shift a 

1074
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,680
little bit and let it be a space
where we can gather and explore 

1075
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,520
collective astrology more so 
than individual astrology. 

1076
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,640
And it will be a a kind of spill
out for my monthly horoscope 

1077
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,640
spaces. 
And I'm just curious in 

1078
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,960
astrological research, like, how
is this feeling for you all? 

1079
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:54,680
What are people noticing and 
following the news, right? 

1080
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,960
Following our own personal 
lives, our relational 

1081
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,320
experiences. 
Astrology is working all the 

1082
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,560
time, and Tea Time is a place 
where we get to share how it's 

1083
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,160
working in our lives and explore
how it might be described and 

1084
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:15,280
worked with. 
A couple years ago I offered an 

1085
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:22,400
intensive, I believe in 2021 
called Your Chart is a Body, and

1086
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:28,560
that was my first attempt at 
conveying astrology in the way 

1087
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,520
that it makes sense to me. 
And how it makes sense to me is 

1088
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,960
hard to articulate because I 
identify as a clairsentient, 

1089
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,840
intuitive. 
And so folks might be familiar 

1090
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,720
with the Claire's like 
clairaudience, clairvoyance, 

1091
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,120
these are psychic channels that 
everybody has. 

1092
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,320
I believe that all beings are 
connected with each other on the

1093
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:57,320
Psychic Friends Network. 
Whether our connection is stable

1094
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:02,320
or expansive has a lot to do 
with, I think, our innate 

1095
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,200
beingness, our charts. 
But definitely with. 

1096
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,400
The ways that we've been raised 
and what we have been encouraged

1097
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,640
to know about ourselves, and we 
do not live in a world where 

1098
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:18,880
intuition is thing is the thing 
that you know, dominant culture 

1099
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,160
believes in. 
And we're certainly not 

1100
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,640
encouraged to cultivate 
intuitive sensitivity with 

1101
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:32,240
ourselves or with one another. 
Being raised by a somatic 

1102
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:37,240
astrologer who was a therapist 
was such a gift. 

1103
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,480
And I give thanks to my mother, 
Dee Moulton, and the work that 

1104
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:47,400
she did as a human being and 
practitioner and parent to allow

1105
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:52,320
me to really develop my own 
intuitive practices. 

1106
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,720
And I've had many other teachers
that have been part of of that 

1107
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,400
evolution for me. 
But the way that I read charts 

1108
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:07,320
is highly intuitive and most of 
my chart readings and that 

1109
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,120
includes the horoscopes that I 
do as well as private clients or

1110
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:16,240
when I work with groups. 
Most of my chart readings, I 

1111
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:21,200
don't actually start with the 
meaning making of astrology. 

1112
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,520
I don't look at a chart and go, 
OK, who's the chart ruler? 

1113
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,880
Where is it? 
What are the aspects go into 

1114
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,240
essential dignity or anything 
like that, which is a lot of 

1115
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,600
what you'll learn when you learn
traditional astrology. 

1116
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,360
That is not my approach or my 
practice. 

1117
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,040
What occurs for me is bodily 
sensation. 

1118
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,640
I look at a chart. 
I feel into the chart shape, the

1119
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,920
the planets start to stimulate 
my body parts. 

1120
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:51,240
I become overwhelmed by 
sensation. 

1121
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,240
And then I talk about the 
sensation. 

1122
01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:00,120
And I've experienced repeatedly 
and consistently that what I'm 

1123
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,960
saying is resonating for people 
and I often have no idea. 

1124
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,720
As I'm saying at what I'm 
talking about, I'm like, whoa. 

1125
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,560
OK, this is what I'm feeling. 
I'm just going to give voice to 

1126
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:16,120
it and it's like, here you go. 
And then I hear people's 

1127
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,960
stories. 
I hear what they were, what is 

1128
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,600
being stimulated for them. 
I learned at the beginning of my

1129
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:28,640
client practice that if I spend 
time preparing before I go to 

1130
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,560
meet a client and I get in my 
own head about, oh, this thing 

1131
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,680
or that thing, I'll start making
up stories. 

1132
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,920
I'll be like, oh, yeah, you 
know, they did this and then 

1133
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,400
they did that, and then this 
thing is happening, and then 

1134
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,520
I'll meet them. 
And none of that is what's going

1135
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,800
on. 
My practice is about preparing 

1136
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,880
my vessel. 
I study astrology every single 

1137
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,040
day. 
I'm constantly reading about it.

1138
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,040
I'm learning techniques and 
methods. 

1139
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,400
I really value them. 
But when I come to do the work 

1140
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,480
of astrology, what is most 
impacting and important for me 

1141
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,880
is presence. 
And cultivating embodied 

1142
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,840
presence is a practice. 
So your chart is a body was my 

1143
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,480
first attempt to to teach this 
as an approach and as a method. 

1144
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:23,000
And the challenge of it is that 
there is no formal meaning 

1145
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,240
making that I'm doing. 
So I'm not interested in saying,

1146
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:34,520
oh, Mars is about anger. 
What I'm interested in is what 

1147
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,200
does Mars stimulate as 
Physiology? 

1148
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:42,160
And when you feel into the 
archetypes of Mars and the many 

1149
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,040
associations that you may have 
gathered from this symbol, what 

1150
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:51,600
emerges for you from your own 
lived experience and biography 

1151
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,560
in your social location and 
body? 

1152
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,760
How do you get to experience 
Mars? 

1153
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,080
How do you get to experience 
Venus? 

1154
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,080
It's going to change for 
everybody depending on who they 

1155
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,720
are, what their body looks like,
where they were raised, what the

1156
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,240
context are, what age they are 
right, who they're around in 

1157
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:18,400
that given moment. 
So I'm really interested in the 

1158
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:24,280
potentials of what happens when 
we learn new ways of 

1159
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:29,720
communicating and expanding 
curiosity and perception. 

1160
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,400
A very deep question for me as a
human being is how do we expand 

1161
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:40,120
our perceptual awareness? 
And when it comes to the human 

1162
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:46,000
realms, there is such deep lack 
of perceptual awareness so 

1163
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,600
frequently. 
And Ramon was talking about 

1164
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,680
working with conflict mapping, 
which is something that I'm very

1165
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,160
interested in as well. 
I experienced consistently that 

1166
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:03,000
astrology helps expand conflict 
in a productive, helpful, 

1167
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,800
healing way. 
And what I mean by that is that 

1168
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,720
conflict often times collapses 
into polarized binaries. 

1169
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:14,040
People are dug in with their 
heels on their stance, their 

1170
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,640
point of view. 
They think they're right. 

1171
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,160
They they have their own 
experience, and they are right 

1172
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:19,720
about their own experience, 
right? 

1173
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,240
But their own experience is a 
tiny drop in the ocean, and 

1174
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,520
there's so much else that's 
happening. 

1175
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:31,200
And when we have technologies 
and practices that allow us to 

1176
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,160
extend our consciousness in 
different directions, then we 

1177
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:39,040
can build context for what's 
happening. 

1178
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,720
We can come into different 
awareness of other others points

1179
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,800
of view and lived experiences. 
We can expand our own awareness 

1180
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,720
about our own experience, which 
is often, you know, encapsulated

1181
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,160
in a particular moment or fixed 
identity. 

1182
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,920
There's so much creativity that 
then becomes possible in the 

1183
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:06,760
space of differences and that is
something that I'm really 

1184
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,120
curious about, really interested
in and wanting to promote. 

1185
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,360
So in 2024 I'll be continuing 
with your chart as a body. 

1186
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,200
This is the first time since 
2021 that I've picked that work 

1187
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:25,680
up again in a formal way and 
I'll I'll be inviting folks to 

1188
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,760
work with your chart as a body. 
It's a stand alone offering at 

1189
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,280
this point. 
It's a collection of videos, 

1190
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:39,920
guided meditations, worksheets. 
This year I'll be expanding the 

1191
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,960
the worksheets and offering new 
content, but really holding 

1192
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,200
space for us to do the work of 
reading charts together and 

1193
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,760
putting this into practice. 
And so your chart as a body will

1194
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,360
be a monthly meeting space. 
There will be an asynchronous 

1195
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:03,720
virtual component to it. 
And this is where we're going to

1196
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,440
be doing a lot of the work of 
the kind of fundamentals of 

1197
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,440
reading charts. 
I'm not going to be working with

1198
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:14,960
specific transits this year in 
my own self. 

1199
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,200
I'm not going out into like my 
own associations. 

1200
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,400
Like, wow, how are we going to 
work with Mars? 

1201
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:22,480
How are we going to work with 
this? 

1202
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,960
What I want to do is build a 
field where you all can do that 

1203
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:34,480
together, and where we can build
new vocabulary and expand the 

1204
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:38,440
symbolism that we're working 
with and together that we can 

1205
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:46,760
also cultivate and elevate in 
intuitive capacity, build our 

1206
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,760
clearsentience. 
So I'll be doing that weekly 

1207
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,040
with somatic space, monthly with
your chart as a body, and then 

1208
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,400
in another form with tea time, 
where we can come together in in

1209
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,000
conversation. 
Yeah, beyond that I'm really 

1210
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,360
excited, Like, so excited. 
It keeps me awake at night 

1211
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:14,840
thinking about it to be in 
person this We've been virtual 

1212
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,920
for years now and there have 
been like a couple of in person 

1213
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:27,040
moments. 
In 2022 we got to have a brief 

1214
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:33,240
touch in with with Ramon at 
Naropa for the Jupiter Neptune 

1215
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:39,120
Convergence and this year I'm 
excited to go back to Naropa 

1216
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:44,960
back to Boulder in April for the
Uranus Jupiter Convergence. 

1217
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,760
I'm also excited to be 
collaborating with Ramon and 

1218
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,480
Michelle in October at the Eco 
Dharma Retreat. 

1219
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,720
And Sherry and I have talked 
about Co facilitating a retreat 

1220
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,200
on the West Coast sometime in 
the summer or fall. 

1221
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:08,000
And I know how much happens in 
somatic space and in the 

1222
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,040
workshops like we have really 
expansive, transcendent 

1223
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,520
experiences. 
People are elevated in their 

1224
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,120
consciousness. 
It's like something happens in 

1225
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:27,720
those spaces and we're just on 
zoom when we get in person that 

1226
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:32,080
is going to get the volume 
turned up so loud. 

1227
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:41,360
My favorite place to be is in 
workshop intensive retreat space

1228
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,600
with human bodies. 
The frequency that we build 

1229
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:52,160
together is profound, and when 
we get to do this work of a 

1230
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,560
tuning with big archetypal 
collective and planetary 

1231
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,560
energies, so much gets 
channelled in. 

1232
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,120
And so I'm really excited to 
experience that more. 

1233
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:10,920
And I'm also really excited to 
be in communal space with folks 

1234
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:15,240
who I know, like I know a lot of
the people who come to EAA 

1235
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,800
little bit, not a a lot of you. 
I don't know a lot about you, 

1236
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:23,040
but I know a little bit. 
And I know enough to know that 

1237
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,600
the folks who are drawn to EA 
are coming with a lot of 

1238
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:32,000
different kinds of skills and 
wisdoms and intelligences and 

1239
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,560
talents. 
And when we get together, so 

1240
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:40,880
much happens that is really 
deeply integrative and healing 

1241
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:49,720
and educational. 
And yeah, I I just, I'm kind of 

1242
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,640
like anticipating and waiting 
for those spaces because I am 

1243
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,160
longing for them so much in my 
own life. 

1244
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,000
The last thing I'll say is a 
quote that I pulled out from 

1245
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,800
James Burgess, who has done a 
really beautiful work on the 

1246
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,200
Sabian symbols. 
And I believe that this was a 

1247
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,040
quote for, and I could be wrong 
here. 

1248
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,680
So I'm not entirely sure, but I 
believe that this was a quote 

1249
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:22,120
for 10° of Libra, which is one 
of the sites of eclipses in 

1250
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:27,600
2024. 
Knowledge is a living thing, and

1251
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,480
all living things have 
investment in their future. 

1252
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,640
Really loved that knowledge is a
living thing, and all living 

1253
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,560
things have investment in their 
future. 

1254
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:45,280
I really feel myself as a as a 
channel and conduit and deeply 

1255
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:50,560
devoted servant of universal 
force and planetary 

1256
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,280
intelligence. 
It is anything that I would ask 

1257
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:59,200
for, everything that I would ask
for to be made an instrument for

1258
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,840
knowledge to continue to know 
itself. 

1259
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,600
And I think that's what we do 
with astrology. 

1260
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,960
I think that's what we do with 
somatic practice. 

1261
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,280
I think that's what we do with 
art and poetry and mysticism, 

1262
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,520
and I think that's definitely 
what we do with activism and 

1263
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:20,200
community work. 
So yeah, I'll pause there and 

1264
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,680
just say that I'm really hopeful
to be able to spend time with 

1265
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,480
you all and to meet you and 
share space virtually and in 

1266
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:33,920
person. 
And I hope to, you know, be 

1267
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,720
offering things with embodied 
astrology that speak to you and 

1268
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,240
to your interests and longings.