Nobody knows how to swim that day.
You gotta be born their gills. Fastened to your ribs and the
watery placenta of Neptune, you only dream when you are awake.
Everything. So ancient, it is happening in
the future to survive. On this Earth, we escaping to
ourselves. Hide in plain sight, finding
Solace and vice and lovers. No Light, No Air.
No need all. This is a dream anyway,
Mysteries, only the ancestors know how to swim to the bottom
of bioluminescence is deep sea melanin, flashing, wisdom in
your own skin Sparks of Cosmos in the depth of your watery
dark. When an ancestor is coming back
to the Earth, old lady's, dream of fish swimming through Lakes
of remember and forget, and they catch the babies like
fisherwomen. On the Starlit sea of Sankofa.
That was Pisces season read by janata.
Petrus from her book, The Stars in the Blackness between them.
Hello, my name is, Renee Sills, I'm the host of embodied.
Astrology and janata. Petrus is my guest for this
episode janata is a creative activist writer.
Playwright and multi-dimensional performance artist her work
centers around black wildness. Futurism ancestral.
Healing sweetness. A spectacle and Shimmer.
She is the author of The Stars in the Blackness between them,
winner of the 2020 Coretta. Scott King honor, book award and
a forthcoming illustrated book. Can we please give the police
department to the grandmothers? Ginetta is also facilitating an
upcoming series of workshops with embodied astrology that
centers on Creative, exploration and development with the
supportive astrological inspiration of the mutable
signs, this series of meetings takes place with the New moons
of the mutable season's over? 47 days.
This year, on February 19th for Pisces season.
June 18th, for Gemini, season September 17th for Virgo season
and December 17th for Sagittarius.
Season in this series, we will have space to play.
And he'll in our work through artistic activations, inspired
by the mutable quartet. You are invited to devote your
participation to the initiation of a new project to the
refinement of a Project, you've already been working on or to
drop into any or all sessions and energize, your creative
practice with astrological imagination, you can find more
information on jannat, has Workshop series, artistic,
Alchemy engaging, in the magical, wisdom of the mutable
signs for A Soulful and meaningful artistic practice and
life in the show notes or at embodied astrology.com in the
workshop section. In today's conversation, janata
and I talked about her journey with astrology.
And its importance in shaping her writing and characters.
She shares about her upcoming Workshop series with embodied
astrology and the inspiration. She finds through the mutable
signs and we explore some ideas about what Saturn's form
building and shape, making influence, might bring during
its transit in Pisces 2023 through 2026.
I always have such a good time talking to janata and I'm
excited to share this conversation with you.
Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoy.
Not a, thank you for coming back onto the embodied astrology
podcast. It's such a joy to be able to
talk to you again. Oh my gosh, you know, I love
you, Renee your mind will only open ee.
Oo, boo! We first connected around
astrology on the Instagram, and our connection felt exciting
right away, especially r on our shared love of astrology.
But I realize I've never asked you how you got into astrology
and what has kept you interested in it.
Like, what is this? Journey been about for you with
the stars and the planets. Well, I kind of like, think the
first time I ever stumbled upon astrology was actually, I have
an older older, my aunt, my mom's sister, who, when I was, I
don't know. I think I was about nine.
If she hadn't astrology book knows a very kind of basic
astrology book, you know, like just giving the 12 signs and
kind of breaking them all down. And I Remember Loving the, or
Our and Beauty and the layered - of how things were described and
I remember be like, oh my birthday is in this cancer room,
you know where the cancer kind of date.
And that's just the first time, I remember just kind of be
holding it and contemplating and this is my aunt.
Who's an Aries? Who's always been kind of like
the free kind of wild Spirit of my mom's siblings, you know?
And you know He's a very sort of grounded actually person in
another way, like, she's an accountant and or she just got
retired, but how she represented in my youth was as an example of
a wild adult who did things that were free and juicy and she had
a gap like me and, you know, all of my mom's sisters laugh like
so big and loud. And I just, there's something
about just seeing her Gap in like, I like this, the He's
laughs, you know. So when I think of astrology I
definitely connected with this particular arms and you know,
like I think in high school is when I really started to be
interested in reading more about it, reading about my sign, my
friends is signs. And then again, I think my
relationship with it shifted again, when I was in Americorps
and this like hippy, homie and Americorps did my whole chart
and that's when I was like, oh, there's levels to this shit.
It's not just your sun sign, but it's your all of these things,
you know. So I think for me, astrology has
always been sort of a way that I could feel connected to Spirit
and connected to inspiration and kind of this otherworldly cosmic
space that was always kind of talking to me.
Like, whether it was like me gazing at the moon or like, you
know, feeling like into the cosmos and stars, like as a kid,
or I wanted to be an astronaut as a kid.
Like, I think that's also connected to my astrology
Legacy. So yeah, I feel like that's one
of many ways. I think astrology barfed me and
connected me to myself and my relationship with the Stars.
I love that God. I love your enthusiasm for it
and how much you weave it in to your life.
I mean, we talk about it all the time but also your book, The
Stars in the Blackness between them has such a strong current
of astrology. And in some ways it seems like
it's kind And of shaped around astrology, you have the diagonal
poems throughout the book, you do poems for all 12 signs that
are amazing. And then this character that you
have Aqua is an astrologer. And I was curious as you're
developing his character and his interest in astrology.
What was happening for you, as you were thinking into that
relationship for him and what inspired you to write his
character as an astrologer? And and as a teacher in some
ways also of of maple, I think. Yeah, I love that question
because I do think that for me once he became an astrologer, he
was grounded in limitlessness even though he was incarcerated
character and I think a lot of how we think of folks who are
incarcerated, it's kind of like they just don't exist almost you
know and our society absence them from our life and they're
very much present in their life and also present in the lives of
those who love them. Even In this like complicated
ambiguous absence, you know. And so for me also a lot of my
politicization as a young person was through Reading Memoirs of
incarcerated, black people, activists and whatnot.
And I wanted there to be a spiritual conversation with
essentially this young black queer, girl and this man on
death row and the conversation was about existential reality,
you know, like what is it to be? A black and embodied in a
universe that or a world that isn't able to see our Divinity,
even though it absorbs, every drop of it.
And I think particularly the time I was writing the book was
right around when BLM was really starting to Blossom and the
collective Consciousness and I was thinking about Blackness and
its sacredness and it's Divinity.
And I think how could I hold that within these characters
having This kind of dialogue and conversation that spiritual and
also between, you know, a sick body and the astrology as far as
my process with writing the book, it was like, I would work
through the characters and like the pros and the chapters.
And then, when I couldn't go anymore, I would write poetry,
I'd right astrology poetry and make collages actually
astrology, black astrology, ancestor collages that allows
Allowed me to sort of be like, oh yeah, I'm in this world with
these spirits. And I think a lot of the poems
themselves felt like channeled conversations with spirit and,
you know, black ancestors and how did we live in astrology?
But yeah. So I think it was really fun to
let my brain do all. And also I'm neurodivergent, you
know, so I feel like for me to complete a novel, I had to go a
whole bunch of different place. Is within the universe of it but
go a whole bunch of different places and I feel like it lives
in the way the book is told and also lives in some of these
layers and I think astrology is such a good constellation of
thought and such a beautiful kind of spiritual technology
because it does let you be Limitless.
Like there's as you know as an astrologer like you could study
every single thing and then somebody's like, but have you
heard of this asteroid? That's actually really the one
fucking yo shit out. You don't I mean, not like, no,
no. So I feel like that's felt like
a very beautiful container of limitlessness that also was a
container for the process of working on this book.
Hmm. I felt so inspired when I was
reading your book in the ways that you, it felt like you were
really in a devotional practice sometimes with astrology and how
you uplifted the signs and every one of those, a Diet Coke poems
felt to me. Like I learned a lot about that
energy and In, I don't remember. Now, if all of them were like
this but in some of them, the sign was personified and you
were talking about different characters or ways of being or
aunties or, you know, different archetypal embodiments and yeah,
felt like, I learned so much about astrology, reading your
book. And I was wondering if you did
to, if writing off was character and writing those poems taught
you about astrology and how you learned from yourself and how
that felt. Yeah, it's interesting because
you and I, you know, actually really bonded at the astrology
conference in Seattle, the norweb and there I learned about
Astro drama, you know. So where you could kind of like
personify identify kind of traits and embodiments almost
like theatrical embodiments of the signs.
And I think now, looking back, even though I wrote the book
three years before, I feel like that's definitely part of the
experience that I had in writing those poems and kind of living
into the Characters that are part of the book in general, you
know, like I think it was a way for me to acknowledge that a lot
of how I live in astrology is this embodied kind of intuitive
way? And I sometimes struggle with
two dimensional charts, you know, like I'm still growing and
learning that but I think once I live in the embodiment of it and
the sort of spirits and souls that live in that energy and
archetypes, like you said, it's just I get it, you know, a lot
more. I think it was interesting
because also like you know I found a embodied astrology after
I put my book out most like oh this is kind of the energy in
the space in which I feel like astrology can make sense to me
and I think this all started to do with no Divergence.
You know it's like if we're all learning a thing in a very sort
of specific structure of knowledge or knowledge
absorption and we don't acknowledge that some of us
learn more easier from our elbows moving through.
Space and you know feeling the Earth or acknowledging the
breeze and listening to it. So yeah like I feel that I
really did learn from this book process that astrology isn't a
thing that's like just psychological or just like on
this paper of, you know, lines and you know, circles but it's
actually like, oh like it's in the energy of a lover and how
you can't stop thinking about them and they seemed The center
of the universe because they're a Leo and everybody's obsessed
with them. And, you know, like how do you
kind of live in that and I do feel like a lot of the poems are
accumulated from all of the people I've met in my life and
the way that I've experienced them astrologically, as well as
you know, soulfully in their existence.
Mhm. Yeah.
I mean, thinking about what you were saying earlier, I feel like
astrology is an ancestral. Remembering what?
Of the time and that its technology has branched into so
many different iterations and they're iterations of it that
are super scientific that have a lot of rules and then iterations
that feel a lot more organic and intuitive.
And I feel like a lot of the conversations you and I have had
has explored kind of the space between those two ends of a
spectrum and it you in how you are and how you inhabit your
life. And then in how you write it
really feels to me like there's a channel that kind of gets The
end up for you. That yeah, feels like it really
grounds me in the essence of astrology, you know, and in the
lived expression of it. And it's interesting to hear
that the process of Astro, drummer something with something
that you encountered later, it is in a lot of ways, I think a
very intuitive practice because astrology is so dramatic.
I mean these these characters, these planetary is diagonal
characters and their aspects. I've noticed this all the time
when I'm interpreting Charts or what?
I'm talking to people, we jump so quickly into the drama.
It's like, oh my God, I'm going to get a square from Saturn
fuck, you know. And it's like, oh no and a lot
of times those energies are quite subtle or their nuance and
they take their time, they're not sometimes.
As dramatic as we imagine, they might be, but I think playing
them out and really living into them makes astrology make sense.
So deeply and I was wondering how is astrology inspired you
and your creative. Before you learned that the
techniques are the names of the techniques, you know, I think
it's been one of your creative tools or your allies for a long
time. Like have you been working with
astrology and your other creative projects before stars
in the Blackness between them or after?
I'm trying to think of before really?
I think like through the stars and Blackness between them.
I got you really go all out and really be like give myself
permission to be like, yeah, there's an astrologer character
in Here. So that means you got to
research his study, a lot of astrology Shucks, you know what
I mean? So it really allowed me to just
go in and let myself run wild with astrology and the
intersections with my creativity and definitely since then you
know I feel like even my future books.
My children's book that's coming out.
Like, you know, I talked about, you know, astrological signs and
also with writing other characters and Other Stories,
like it is fun to think of them as stro dramatically.
Because the other thing about astrology is it allows its
dramatic, but it and subtle like you said, and it's also so
multi-dimensional and intersecting.
Right? And I don't know, have you not
talked about internal family systems?
Yeah. I feel like astrology is, like,
in also Legacy and relationship with that kind of aspect where
there's different parts of yourself.
So for people who aren't familiar with internal family
systems, it's essentially acknowledging that you know,
we're made of several. Different kinds of cells and
that some of these cells will protect parts of you that they
will, you know be exiled within you and multiple different
elements of yourself and since I've been going through this
kind of therapeutic process with my therapist and like you know
acknowledging the different selves of me like there's a part
of myself that you know feels very like I want to present the
best version and I don't want to seem like I'm fucked up in any
way. Rising.
I'm pretty sure that's my Virgo Rising, right?
There's another part of myself. That's like the exiled kind of
like, you know, emo like, you know, nobody cares about how
heavy my spirit is and how much I have to hold.
And I do feel like that's definitely my cancer Sun
potentially but also I you know I feel like there's some other
stuff going on like we're some of my things are like the
certain houses certain things are in for example.
So anyways, like I think it's been interesting like The
astrology of it all even Tara like you know is another
practice of mine like really thinking around how with each
tarot card. There's so much stories or so
much density and interpretations with each tarot card.
And I think I love having some of these containers and
Technologies for lack of a better words and spiritual
practices to kind of create a foundation for what I'm writing
from. Because I think as artists both,
like really in an ancestral sense, it was very Much all of
these roots and tendrils that were, like, wrapped up in like,
is channeling through us, you know, through time, through all
of these, other entities, you know, both human and
otherworldly. I think, you know, we're in
communication with on an embodied, kind of conscious
unconscious level. And I think the stars in the
Blackness between them, a the process of making it and really
giving myself that support through the astrology and stuff
like that, too. To show up for myself.
But it's also, I think makes it so that there's more meaning and
what I'm saying. Like there's so many people who
like have hit me up and been like y'all and particularly
young people are, like reading this book made me think of
myself and curious about myself, spiritually, you know.
And it's not like I set out to write, like, I want to write a
spiritual book, but it's like, I got very clear that like, I had
to be in a spiritual relationship, if making it and
it's been beautiful to see how People have found meaning that I
wasn't even consciously trying to put in a thing, but they get
to make meaning and live into it in another way.
So yeah, I love thinking about the the ways that I feel like
astrology really invites us into iteration after iteration and
going deeper, and like you said, there's this Limitless quality
to it, where as we learn about it, it really expands.
I think the self-concept, It and helps us understand how how the
self is also constructed within the larger self or a larger hole
of what's represented in an astrological chart, which is the
whole solar system. And I don't know how far out you
want to go or how far out you want to think, but it is a
system that is designed to bring us into those relationships.
And in that way, it feels like there's infinite amount of
creativity and not a lot of limitations on where you could
go with it. You're about to start a series
with embodied astrology. I love the title of it.
Artistic Alchemy engaging the magic of the mutable signs for A
Soulful and meaningful artistic practice, and life.
I would love to hear you talk a little bit about the series and
how you're thinking about it and what you want to explore within
it. And yeah, how you're holding
astrology, also as a container for group, Process and mutual
support or collaboration? Yeah, I feel like, oh, thank you
for asking me about that. And actually had a great
conversation with my friends last night.
Telling them about this class, actually, cuz I think, for me, I
think somewhere, somebody said, like, you know, to really learn
something, you must teach it. You know, don't know where the
quote is from, don't at me but I feel that, you know, this
particularly this class and even just this Relation around my
experience of writing a book astrologically and wanting to
give the container of astrology to folks and know that there's
so much limitlessness within this structure that we all love
to play in which is astrology. So the first classes within the
mutable sign of Pisces and I'll Pisces, oh my gosh, people tell
me talk junk about, I don't talk John.
First of all, I never talked about any sign, but I love me
some Pisces energy and it feels so juicy to just be like, yeah,
we're starting off juicy as artists because that's where it
comes from. Anyway, comes from the juiciness
everybody wants to be in that super feet conned and succulent
space of possibility. You know?
And also there's dreaminess, you know, this like sort of we're
all connected. We're all one.
We're all a part of this, you know, genius pool of possibility
and insight and wisdom. And And and all of the things,
right? I think like Pisces is a good
place for us as artists to be centered and reminded and
actually makes me think of the body is a chart you know that
you have and how you start with Pisces before you go into Aries
because I do think there's a sort of nice little pivot with
that grounding because I think carries energy, that's Mars
centered, it's very like spring. Yeah, spring is when it's
popping when And Pisces is like, no other so much deeper shit
happen in here. Y'all.
It's so deep. It's so underground.
And in the feels like this is where we can understand some
shit, you know, and I want to give people in that first class
permission to really sort of live in all of that luminous
liminality, you know, and, you know, allow what wants to come
through them, come through them and make ritual, and make, you
know, sort of Place to catch it. You know, like I think Pisces
energy is very ancestral energy. So we start off in Pisces and
then we're going to move into Gemini season which to me is
kind of like we're moving. We're growing were addicted
recipient. What do you want to know the
Curiosity to create a city? Where here, there everywhere it
could be anything and I always say, like Gemini's the sign of
the rapper, you know? I mean like I mean, first of
all, there's so many brilliant and complicated rappers who are
Gemini like, you know, Kanye are boy, Kanye We have Kendrick
Lamar and I don't think he's complicated.
Just Kanye Kendrick Lamar's amazing, obviously Lauryn Hill.
Andre 3000, we have Prince is a Gemini and these are obviously
the sons, their sons. So I don't know where Jim I live
in everybody else's Chardon, Gemini is, you know, prominent
in my chart with the Mercury and Mars and the 10th House of
Gemini with a Virgo Rising Um, so I just think, like, Gemini's
permission to me like, yeah, y'all.
Let's just start all at the wall recklessly, you know, like I've
ever Pisces kind of like, juicy delicious Gatherings and we're
floating, and we're dipping and Diving and over in the cosmos.
Now. Oh, where are jellyfish over
alien-like Gemini's. Like, you know why I like, okay,
cool, let's go there then let's we aliens now.
Okay. So what's this universe?
Like, okay, you know, like I think Gemini is going to really
Ali. Just go off somewhere and then
we have Virgo season, you know, this next mutable sign that's
getting to be like, okay, we've had our fun and we're still
going to have fun. Stop thinking.
I'm not fun. Okay.
I'm a Virgo and I'm ready to actually hone in on like well
what is it? That I'm really wanting to make
this thing. We've spent all this time,
exploring and feeling this thing out and now I'm using that
intuition and that alignment and that Precision to really get
clear about How this thing will be shaped and thinking about, I
don't know, there needs to be another word.
But editing like, I like to think of it almost as a shaping
into something like however, be shaping this into the world, you
know like I think a Virgo energy as you know sort of like okay
this you know here we have this delicious tree that comes from
the earth. Here, we have all these
beautiful flowers like how are we actually understanding that a
sunflower has these kinds of seeds in these kinds of petals
and of There can be gazillions kinds of some flowers, but we're
also kind of just getting clear about what the shape and the
thing of it is, yeah, it's just thinking about that craft and
like medicinal quality of Virgo, synthesizing something to its
elements of use. Yeah, I love this, keep going.
I'm so Sagittarius I think Sagittarius is like, okay you
done made something or you done been with something for a while.
Where do you see this in the world?
How do you want to live with this in existence?
You know like I think Sagittarian Miss is very much
like, you know, You're dipping with your thick ass horse legs
and you got your bow and arrow on your like shit.
I can really just pop this shit anywhere but I'm saying like and
I think I want people to feel that sort of levity kind of move
forth - and like you know. So what does it look like okay.
Maybe you've been working on a dance this whole time, you know
and you're like okay maybe I want to share this in a house
concert you know and invite this friend of play some records
while I dance this out and invite people or maybe I'm
Created this menu, you know what I mean?
And I like really thought about all these different.
Like, I really want it to be a thing where, you know, people
could think of all of his magical stuff that they've done
whatever their art practices and be like, okay?
And now how am I going to share? How is it going to move forth in
the world? How is it going to, you know,
lift the light into the world, you know?
So I think the journey like I it's a thing where people could
come in for obviously each section and or all of it, you
know? I think they shouldn't you
should bring like if you have no art idea at all for a project
right now, pull up. If you're like I have a fucking
book the deadline and I'm like I hate writing, I literally hate
writing, pull up. I got something for you.
You know what I'm saying? Like it's really going to be a
generative and fun and juicy space.
And yeah, I do think the mutability of it is like yeah
we're just going to kind of like stay in constant movement.
You know, whether it's like a rocking by Whether it's a
shimmy, whether it's a like, you know, Sprint, you know, whether
it's a float, you know. It's like we're just going to
stay in movement and stay Supple and know that from us being in
that space. We could like, you know, give
birth, you know, from softness and softness in the world is a
good thing. Oh, so yeah.
I feel like, I feel like the immutable energies are so
they're so intelligent. No, it's this.
Exquisite intelligence of change and transformation.
And turning. One thing into another thing,
and all the mutable signs are following the fixed signs moving
towards the Cardinal. It's like, how do we take
something that is a form? Break it down, reconfigure it
and then reimagine and rebirth it.
And when we've been talking about this series, I know I've
been personally really excited because I feel like I have so
many creative projects that I haven't been.
Able to focus on and I don't, I've been having a lot of
trouble over the last few years, giving myself a container like a
creative container and it feels necessary for me right now, I
think in a lot of ways to have somebody else, hold that.
And so first of all, just thank you for holding this creative
container per diem for anybody else that comes along on the
journey. And then, yeah, secondly, thank
you for letting this mutable energy flow through you.
This container, you're such a mutable magic Mama Like Your
Chart is just so informed by mutability.
And I'm wondering how you feel mutability or what's magical
about it in your life in general and how you resonate with with
mutability as a theme? Yeah, I think.
Um, yeah, so I have a Virgo rising and I have mercury and
Mars in Gemini. So, So Mercury rules, my chart,
which is was kind of interesting to me because I think I've
always been like, oh cancers some you know.
So I feel like me and the Moon is like this son, but I think
when I really have started to contemplate Mercury and sort of
that interest in like Limitless curiosity, I think that's always
been such a part of my identity is just I'm freaking curious as
fuck, you know what I mean? And I think it allows me to
experience so many magical things in life because I am
never fully satiated on an intellectual Soul spiritual
level. Like, I always want to feel all
of the dimensions of the things, and I think that I've really
grown to understand more so that Gemini in my chart, as of
recently. And again, with this, This Astro
drama component where I'm like, wow.
Like that's in my fucking 10th house, like that shit.
Is in the brightness. Like, this is my most sort of
like, you know, important kind of offering to the world lives
in this aspect of me and some ways that feels also, like the
most wild and Reckless and untenable part of myself is my
Gemini placements, you know, where I feel like, wow,
sometimes my brain is an overdrive with the Curiosity and
the thinking and the And having Mercury and Mars there in
particular, I'm like, yo, Mercury's out here.
Chirping Mars is like, okay. I got stuff to do.
I have mad ideas and and Mercury is over here like spasm because
it's just like, whoa, there's just so many possibilities and
to determine and just looking, right?
And I think that's also been good about the therapeutic.
Aspect of my life is like, oh dealing with internal family
systems. If you like oh there's these
parts of me that like some parts of me.
Feel extremely driven. And I also think the Mercury and
Mars component can make my mouth kind of quick.
Like, I love words, I love playing with words, I love being
kind of sassy in a way that's like unexpected, you know, like,
I think that's where the rapper component of it is.
It's like, oh, yeah. Like I love a good freestyle.
Like, I'm a freestyle in a while, but I had a little like
phase where I was freestyling, I think freestyling is very Gemini
energy. You know, it's like you kind of
gotta just let that they're kind of take over your brain.
So yeah. Like I think I'm, it's, it does
also leave to my restlessness, and I think that's the Virgo
aspect to. Like, I think Virgo can be
extremely Restless because there's always a way of thing
could be more perfect and more, you know, and then when you get
that Perfection, then you get fixated on another Perfection or
and maybe Perfection isn't the word all the time.
Because I think that ends up making it seem very surface
because it's like, yeah, like, what is Right is, it's a
perception of a thing, not having a plot, but when I think
of what we're going wants, like Virgo, wants it to feel right.
Once it to feel like, okay, it's almost like kind of, you know,
lives into the ways that Virgo and Libra, I think, are similar
where it's like, okay, there's a way that if things were this
thing than everything could be good.
I mean, think about Beyonce, like I am, I'm about to buy
tickets to go see, Beyonce. And, you know, she's a Virgo and
I think she's, you know, I know she has a lot of Libra in her
chart to and I have a lot of Labor in my chart, but I think
the Virgo aspect is that, you know, when you see the thing,
the thing would be the best opportunity of observing the
thing possible that could ever be iterated into existence.
You know, I think that's Virgo energy and I don't I think it
shouldn't feel like a slavery either.
Like, I think that's what I love about Renaissance and it's like
being very dance and breathe I am very like, you know, like
Virgos can be kind of freaky, like, like kind of being like,
Oh I'm definitely going to get into the absolute sort of.
Like, I'm going. I'm going to want to study the
pleasure to serve you in whatever way that makes you.
So I also feel like that aspect of service could also be kinky
with Virgo, and I think that's also a thing I'm exploring where
I'm like, oh wow, like actually some of my restraints and some
of my curiosity and some of my hide being and some of my life
total of fixation and obsession is actually part of my kinkiness
that lives both sexually and creatively.
So yeah, so I feel like Gemini's very much like oh yeah, like I'm
kind of like, you know, both Gemini and Virgo kind of have
that like, freaky kinky curious. Like I want to make the things
and thing that feels so like why chefs case?
So hmm. Do you think how do you think
all of the mutability lives in my existence as a challenger and
homie? Well, you know, I remember the
first time I looked at your chart, I was really struck by
the placement of Vesta an asteroid, exactly conjunct your
Virgo ascendant and that you know you were just talking about
Virgo as a perfectionist energy and Virgo in service and I think
Ink a Vesta. As you know, really a symbol of
the divine feminine and the quality of devotion in all of us
when it comes to tending, what is life-giving, and what is
vital? And I've certainly experienced
your or parts of your perfectionism.
You know, we've talked about it and it's I definitely feel the
kind of constant churning, you know that it's It's happening
and you around like, what's next?
And how is this going to be better?
And what am I going to do with this?
I feel really inspired by that. And you also, by the way but I
also feel this very consistent thread in the in the way that
you approach not just your work but your life, you know.
And I think that's the ascendant sign with a question of of what
is this in service to you know? And I see you constantly
bringing the part of you that is devotional and like showing up
to conversations no matter who they're with.
With with a kind of yeah like devotional effect.
You know where your uplifting you're looking for?
What's vital? You're not bypassing or like
ignoring what's, what might not be something that we want to
devote ourselves to? It's like you can speak your
mind and you have that kind of quickness that you were talking
about with that Mars Mercury in Gemini, but it just feels like
you're a priestess, you know, in your work and a lot of What
you're doing a lot of the time is channeling and you have that
mutable T Square in your chart, you know, with your all your
Cardinal angles, your ascendant descendant.
Midheaven I see are in the mutable signs and then, yeah,
just feel your, you have Neptune in sad, right?
At the base of your chart opposing that Mars and Mercury
and Gemini. So, When like when you're having
a million ideas, it also feels deeply grounded in something
that does seem spiritual. You know, as it's coming through
you and it does feel deeply ancestral and Limitless in that
ancestral resonance. Like, I've heard you talk about
your connection with the more than human realm.
And so many different kinds of humanness, and it feels like you
and your awareness of yourself are so expansive, and And that I
really feel that in your mutability for sure.
Wow. Thank you, friend.
I love that. I love it.
So it's always so wonderful to hear your readings because, of
course, I listen to your horoscopes all the time, several
times a month, but it's fun when I get to have you look at my
chart and reflect some things that because, you know, it's
always like, oh, that does make sense because I guess I never
think about my neck. In Sagittarius in the fourth
house and I'm like, oh yeah. Because I'm always thinking
about all of the Gemini should and Mercury Mars or Venus in
Leo, kind of not, you know, I'm also you know, sometimes
thinking about my North know like there's sometimes I'm
thinking about parts of my chart and I'm kind of really thinking
about it and reflecting on it, but Neptune in Sagittarius, and
the fourth house because I never think of myself as having
anything in Sagittarius, but I'm like, nah.
I fucking do and it's not tuned in my house of like family home
ancestral. You know, aspect so yeah, yeah,
I find not with all Virgo, Rising charts, of course.
But Sagittarius in the fourth house is often, you know, people
who have really diverse families that they come from.
I know your family comes from multiple different places and
you know you've grown up with Like awareness of being an
immigrant to, and like, having streams from many different
places you traveled a lot. It's like, I feel like you speak
a lot of different languages within English, you know, you
speak the language of playwriting and freestyling and,
you know, a political activist and author and a parent and your
you just switch between them so fluently.
And I think you've had to, you know, in your life like you've
been required. To hold a lot of different
perspectives and awarenesses and languages.
Yeah, that's it is really so much as well.
I know it's interesting and thinking about it in writing and
thinking about multilingual Leti within Blackness and people will
call it cold switching which I feel like cold switching.
Feels like you're kind of I don't know Cole switching feels
like Oreo which I've also been real mad like, okay.
So the Oreo it's like black on the outside white on the inside,
you know, is this idea that like you know, it's a thing that I
often would be told when I was a kid because I'd be like, oh, I
sounded White. Right?
And there's certain spaces like with my family, where I sound
more West Indian, but then I also sound more Yankee to them.
Then West Indian and then I sound, you know, the kids in my
community who were black kids from more.
So black American migrants spaces like to me, you know, I
just I sounded West Indian black but also from the hood but also
like em, you know, just like oh that's an Oreo.
But also like Oreos are such good cookies, you know what
they're delicious. And I've literally was just
like, writing a poem recently and I was like, my fucking
Orioles are delicious. Why did I feel so much shame and
being an Oreo? You know, and I'm not white on
the inside, but I am creamy, I am soft.
I am sweet on the inside, you know, it's like so, what they
made the cream white. The cream could have been any
other color, but whatever. But I'm still soft and sweet and
creamy on the inside and I think that's part of my life healing
work, you know. But yeah definitely feeling like
There's so many people who according to where I'm at, you
know, like my being in my expression, feels a reflection
of, you know, my existence and you know like how do I as a
writer kind of speak. Like I said to this you know
black multilingual ality that. I think a lot of black folks
move into different spaces. Like you know, I got a homie
Malaika who's from LA and she used to be married to a trini
and she do a better job. For me accent than I do.
You know, and also is a comedian and a rapper and super freaking
smart, you know. Like I think there's just all of
the different ways that I see her comedic intelligence in her
speaking. And yeah, I have a lot of
friends, you know, I think about my friend Val and Aquarius like
is a Libra. So that's all are assigned
energy. Anyways, I love you friends.
But like, Cho, just the ways that people can be E in
multi-lingual ality with themselves and particularly
black folks. Like I do think there's like the
hip-hop tongue, the like diasporic black tongue.
Yeah. So I do think about that
especially within this like Neptune and Sagittarius, like,
you know, how so much of us are from recent migratory, kind of
experiences like whether it's like, you know, a lot of the
kids who I grew up with four black kids from Chicago, like
almost all of them. Like, I was like the only kid
not from Chicago, and I was devastated because I was like
like these kids are flyer than me.
They're Cooler Than Me. They talk more than that, in a
way. That like, I feel, Anyway, I
might be nothing but like, you know, I do get curious as a
writer. Like, how do you hold how black
folks? You know, we're so
multi-dimensional and time traveling in our speech and how
we use language and the ways, our ancestors spoke in the
places we grew up in the certain things that were into and I
really love going into that as a writer.
So yeah, I mean that that feels like Like magic.
And I think that mutability definitely feels like part of
that, and it brings me back to talking earlier, about how you
got into astrology and, like, your approach with it and this
sense of mutability, picking up a little bit of this and a
little bit of that and like, I'll take some from here and
I'll take some from there. And then, what can I maybe
sometimes intentionally, what can I do with this?
Or I'm picking up some of this, I'm picking up some of that and
this is now, huh. I'm experiencing it and
expressing it and it's going to This braiding together of
different languages, different influences, Etc.
And to me that feels like Advanced neural networks.
You know, that feels like mycelial intelligence of
recognizing that one language is never going to be sufficient you
know for the entire Globe to converse.
We need multilingual ality biodiversity is what creates
life and so that yeah like both ancestral, remember?
Whirring. But also lived experience within
society that you're talking about for black folks to exist
in feels like it demands that kind of mutable magic.
You know and ability to remember make sense of create new
language for and recreate within systems that are not designed to
give that kind of Vitality but to find the essence in them that
is vital. Yeah, I love, you know, I love
you so much for bringing up the shrooms over at all.
Overall life. Yeah, no definitely.
And I definitely feel that even in my recent like familial
history like I was born in Minneapolis Minnesota, the
middle of the Cold Lake. We have had negative degrees
this week friend. It's like just violently
disrespectfully cold up in here but I was born here in the
Midwest around. No ocean.
So many lakes though around so many freshwater lakes but no
oceans. When my parents talked about
being by the water, they're talking ocean, they're talking.
You know, Trinidad, st. Croix.
You know they're talking about these whole other ecologies and
universes that like they're born from like, that's their
existence, and they're raising me from that sort of emotional
and psychological and spiritual and ancestral, interiority.
But it's a place that I have no knowledge of, like, I don't
know. And I think, like, that's
definitely the stuff. A lot of, you know, immigrant
kids talk about is that you're living in this song.
Collapsed space and time, you know with your parents like
we're in their reality. It's only where they're from and
where you're, you're from this place and it's the same.
So yeah. Like I feel like so much of when
I really think about what I'm trying to make sense of in my
writing is, you know, just making sense of like, wow, like
us as black folks were really borderless, you know, like, I
guess that's what I'm trying to say, you know, because I want to
be mindful of not, you know. Wanting to, like acknowledge the
diversity of Blackness because we're so diverse.
And I think we're so flattened and our society Blackness is
even though it's so clear how you know multi-dimensional it
is, and that's whatever. But I also think that I'm, I'm
into this understanding of like, oh wow, like when they snatched
us all like my wife is from Cameroon.
And I went to like the slave sort of Stolen castles where
they took enslave people and you just saw where they just like,
gathered everybody up and then put them in a freaking like
dungeon and then put them in a bowl.
And some of them both went to Jamaica.
Some of them boats went to Trinidad, some of them boats,
went to North America art, the u.s. someone to Brazil, a lot
went to Brazil, you know, you're just like damn.
Who the hell are we? We're all of it and we're Beyond
it. So anyways, friend.
Well, that actually feels like a good segue to a question that I
have for you about Saturn in Pisces because Saturn as an
archetype, like all of the archetypes is, of course,
complex and multifaceted but it can definitely represent themes
around policing and authority and dominant kinds of ways of
being or oppressive. Ways of being that then seek to
enslave or employ, you know, around whatever its objectives
might be. And so it represents
restrictions obstacles in a in some of its associations.
It can represent, you know, actually like a boss or an
authority or someone who enslaves, but on the other end
of its Spectrum, it brings us into eldership and maturation.
The way that I resonate a lot with Saturn is, as a Feminine
archetype and archetypes. That brings us to like the idea
of the Council of grandmothers or the council.
Grandparents and in your chart, Saturn has moved from the 5th
House of creativity and creative expression into the sixth house
of jobs and, you know, kind of making things formed in a
particular way that have sometimes something to do with
career and you recently published a children's book
based on your Or poem, could we please give the police
departments to the grandmothers and that feels like a very
succinct possibility for Saturn in Pisces and this, you know,
this archetypes it wants to be reimagined, right?
In a mutable sign, this kind of feeling of how do we take one
thing and turn it into another thing?
And I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit, you know, if
you want, if it inspires you about, How you read Saturn's
archetype and how you see the role of grandmothers and Elders
of society as being an antidote or alternative or place of
imagination for a transformation to the roles that police
currently hold and have held. Yeah.
Okay, so I love a, this conversation around.
Saturn and all of the ways that your kind of reimagining, Saturn
more. So like Crone energy rather than
like you know, scary daddy energy.
She and I love especially when I think of, you know, where does
safe and magical kind of structure and boundaries come
from. And I think of, you know,
strangely, even though it's a children's book, I think about,
you know, I'm not going to go there because I'm just thinking
about something else. But I think, you know, within
this space of this children's book like respecting and loving
this authority of Grandma Authority.
That's so Meaning and so deeply caring and also wanting to be
very careful of not assigning Elder women.
This role of come save the day, particularly black Elder women
and I also feel like the reason that, you know, like I was
really thinking about how particularly black women absorb
and have had to absorb so much of what America sort of won't
acknowledge about it. Emma.
And I think about fibroids. But, you know, I've had that are
like these non-cancerous growths in your uterus, you know, and a
lot of it, a lot of black women and black people with uteruses,
receive an experience this, you know, throughout the world.
And I was just thinking about how a lot of that is, just
absorbing kind of bees. Toxicities of being in this
culture and having to absorb all of the violence all of the
disrespects, you know, and all I'll give so much of our magic
and sweetness, you know. So when I think about wanting to
live into this idea of Grandma energy, I really think it's a
thing that all of us could be no matter our gender, no matter
race. No matter our age that like, if
we're living in to this abolitionist space, this post
police space. We have to learn how to have a
certain soft, and beautiful and loving empowerment and way of
navigating a journey towards Collective healing.
And holding for all of the multi-dimensional wounds and
Brokenness and depressions that have existed over time.
And I came up with this acronym, like yesterday.
So this is like hot on the press, the buing on the
embodied. Astrology podcast, the acronym
of grandma is getting real abolitions.
Now dreams may awaken to me, I'm like, we could all be Grandma's.
We can all be So like you know, getting abolition, you know, how
many times you know, how many ways do we need to get
abolition? It's going to be a meditation,
it's going to be a practice. It's going to be like multiple
Technologies of like healing from all of these ways of trying
to overpower and extract from each other from nature, from all
the other species. So I do feel like abolition is
also Well like how do we see that?
As part of the environmental work is lives in abolition, you
know, and lives and dreaming and lives and all of it.
Hmm. Yeah.
Yeah that really lands. I feel like Pisces is so often
associated with the 12th house and these places of that are
sometimes talked about in such a carceral way and experience, you
know, where there is a loss of self or there?
The kind of enclosure around the self that doesn't allow for
interaction or expansion in an external way and then asks, for
the interaction and expansion to have it internally and
spiritually. And like you said in very
multi-dimensional and spiral, it can overlapping ways.
And as you were talking, I was writing down some words that to
me just resonates so deeply with Pisces, like abolition and
dreams may awake. Aiken, write this kind of sense
of Pisces being a dreaming State and Saturn's presence.
They're asking for something right to be realized you were
mentioning absorption a bunch and you know in society the
absorption that I think yeah lands upon the bodies of black
women and and people who are living in the intersections of
marginalization where there's what you said, you know this.
This absorption of so much. And then at the same time, need
to give magic and sweetness like to do this, alchemical internal
work. That then also, like, Pisces is
depleting, I mean, it takes so much and it takes from every
different level of one's be a. And I'm thinking about high seas
as a as an energy that is sometimes, channeled through
Neptune as its planetary, representative and Neptune is
currently in Pisces and Over the next couple of years is Saturn
moves into Pisces. Saturn is moving towards a
conjunction with Neptune. And with astrology in general,
like there's a million ways to read into that, but if we wanted
to read into it around this sense of collective dreaming, I
think that Pisces and Neptune can speak to and a generational
longing or a fantasy, right? Like oh this is it like this is
this is the That we're looking for and with Pisces and Neptune,
it's not quite here, it's not in a solid form, its intangible,
but it's a dream, and we feel it, and we are immersed in it
and then Saturn comes in and it wants form, right?
And it's doing this work of restructuring and, you know, I
think that this Transit potentially has a lot of
possible support for people who are doing abolition work for
example and I'm wondering, you know, for you You in the in the
place that you hold in your life, which branches into so
many different areas. I mean, you are such a prolific
creative genius, but you're also an activist and you're deeply
rooted in Minneapolis, and the activism has been happening
there for several years. Do you think that we can harness
this energy for a collective push to do the abolition work or
to defund the police and refund more social projects?
And what do you imagine that? This activism might look like
Daily lives and in our communities, I love that
question. Yeah, I like to think so.
You know I'm extremely hopeful. I love that we're kind of
slowing down and getting curious about what foundations we need.
And I think that's happening individually.
And I also think it's because we are dreaming big, you know it's
like We're Dreaming big. So, thus how do we live into
understanding that? There's different foundations
and kind of resources and skill sets that we need to have.
So I love thinking about Neptune and Saturn in Pisces together,
Dreamin together and thinking about, Neptune, dreaming and
having all these ideas and then Saturn kind of being like a life
coach, you know, almost energy like kind of a little naughty
life coach because it's like, yeah, like it doesn't have to be
all pay. Full.
It can be very like pleasurable. You know, pleasure identified in
the healing. I think that's a part of the
healing to is like, how do we live in two things, feeling?
Good as you know, metric for what it is.
We're trying to do and I'm really excited to think about
like yeah what I mean. So like with this poem you know
that really came from a place of sadness and like Just like, wow,
man, you know, around the Time Michael Brown was murdered.
I was working in a puppet parade. / masking puppet Parade
in Minneapolis called, the May Day parade.
And That year, we decided the theme was black lives matter and
I decided to create a section called black is sacred and
really sort of acknowledging that like, wow, you know, for
what Blackness has been to the United States, we get to be
sacred, we got to be protected, y'all will go out of your way to
protect a motherfucking Marsh, a motherfucking household of dogs,
which I think is a good thing. You know, I didn't mean that.
People see the Divinity in all things except somehow, not the
sacredness and black people. And y'all want to listen to
hip-hop and the, you know, do all of the different twerking
and things. And so I just feel that that's
also part of the You know, so anyways, that is where the
grandmother's poem came from was like, I want to live into the
sacredness of black people, and when Michael Brown was murdered.
I thought about how the police man.
I forget his name who killed them, like Justified it by like,
oh, he was so terrifying and monstrous and had like, Hulk,
like strength and I just shot him dead.
And how there's always a good reason for shoot, you know,
murdering a black person and people were like, yep, that
sounds. Plausible.
And I think about when I worked in Harlem, at this organization,
the Brotherhood sister soul, and, you know, I worked in their
community garden and there were all these Elders who had their
chairs, like, just in front of the garden and would greet all
the kids as they're coming home from are coming from school to
the building for their after-school activities and just
a model of and presents these Elders had and the kids had with
them and even like the teenage, you know, boys that were being
hassled by. Cops all the time.
When they would come around these Elders, the elders gave
them so much love and presence and questions like you coming to
the barbecue is, I could you come pick this up for me and all
this stuff and it was like, oh yeah this is the Ecology of
love. That kids deserve not being
criminalized because you look a certain way and you know they do
it to black girls and you know, black non-binary, queer kids and
all the ways to you know, like there's so much Disassociation
from getting to be ourselves because we're always being put
into this fiction of white fear and fragility and Fantastical so
I'm very interested. I think there's so much magical
work that's happening and I really wanted in this poem I
guess, you know, but the poem is kind of therapeutic when I wrote
it because and it's kind of like a soft little juicy.
Kind of like some of my poems are more like kind of
complicated and cerebral or sexy or emo and this is just A super
like cotton candy poem almost for me like Mark ice cream.
Cone is like a delicious freshly churned ice cream cone of a
poem. Yeah, so I think like I really
want to like give this ice cream cone of possibility,
abolitionist, big possibility, to the world.
And that's kind of how it lived in this parade section.
Was like, here's this poem, about grandmas and everybody,
let's make a thing. We're going to do something
similar to that in Minneapolis actually for the book launch and
In August, I'm having a book launch in April and then another
like kind of block party with the Pillsbury house, where I
went to daycare, and I've performed out of there, we're
having a block party inspired by these grandmas and we're going
to have all this puppet and, you know, floats and weird shit.
So it's yeah. So so anyway, so I think I do
hope you have alishan. Like, I hope it gets like to be.
I hope as we build it, we know that it can be.
Be also a soft process where we don't have to abuse ourselves
anymore to get Freedom. Like I think, hopefully that's
where the Saturn in Pisces comes into.
That is kind of protective. And the, Neptune dares, to
imagine that we could have a soft and protective journey into
abolition. Like, I don't, I'm tired of
absorbing, this experience of like, oh, we have to suffer to
end suffering. So, I'm curious about that, too.
It was a roller coaster answer. I don't know, friend.
Those really beautiful and I, yeah, I just, I feel so much
love for you and so much gratitude for the ways that you
Works. So creatively to bring just so
much nourishment to people and so much support and to serve
your community and sort of black people and black women, black
queer people. And to take, you know, the huge
amount of trauma and fucked up, shit that you've had to absorb.
And to do this mutable magic with it, where it's like, you
consistently, turn it into art and you are in your service.
You know that that Vesta placement again.
Yeah, I just have one more question for you and when you
were talking about I forget, I forget the term that you used.
It was naughty something like Saturn can be a naughty like a
body life coach. I'm not a life coach.
Yeah. And it made me it reminded me of
a while back, you were talking about Virgos being kinky.
Yeah, because the Virgo solar chart like a Virgo Rising chart
puts Capricorn in the fifth house, which is a place of it.
Erotic play and you know Capricorn and that placement is
kind of kinky and like working, I think creatively and
erratically with power is one thing that that placement can do
and you're your chart, you've got to, I use a class of this
house system, not whole science. So you got Capricorn on the cusp
in Aquarius, is there and Saturn has been moving through this
place for you for the last few years.
But now It's coming into your sick spouse, and I guess, one
way that I would feel into that Transit is taking a kind of raw
arrows, like vital, passionate, pinky force, and figuring out
how to have a good time with something that then you really
bring into practice and and bring into Service and bring
into your labor and your work. And so my last question for you
is just Cassity about how you feel right now in your own life.
With this movement of Saturn, the planetary daddy, the naughty
life, coach for maker. Yeah.
What do you think? Saturn might manifest for you in
Pisces? Sees, In This Place of, you
know, your sick spouse your day-to-day job also moving into
a trying with your cancer Sun up there in the 10th.
It feels like a really exciting time for you.
Career-wise, what's coming up for you or what are you calling
in? Yeah.
Ha ha. Um, well this year, I definitely
am interested in how do I balance play and curiosity with
attention with like being present and attentive to the
life, I'm living in the moment. Like I really want to be greedy
with my attention to Nature. And I really do want to sort of
break into this like, You know, kind of erotic relationship with
yeah, life offline. I guess, I've been saying I'm
having a 90s love affair with myself and I feel like that's
very much the you know, way that I describe how I don't have,
like a digital kind of colonization on my brain, you
know? And I think for me creatively
that's going to allow me to just, you know, similarly feel
into some of the projects I'm holding, right?
Right now like well the grandmother's book is going to
be in the world and it's going to be yeah like I think having a
very interesting conversation of abolition with all the
generations and a very beautifully illustrated book
that's very you know dynamic and like you know, speaking to how
beautiful and wondrous it can be.
And I want to be able to hold space and whatever way I can
with how that conversation blossoms, especially as we deal
with. Laughter cycle of, you know,
police violence and anti Blackness and black death to
like remind us of this. Like North Star.
Oh but shit. Now we bought this juicy life.
These all these these like sort of, you know, people that are
brainwashed by white domination and white supremacy and power
that sometimes it's in white bodies and sometimes it's in
bodies. That are the target.
You know, that they say that all of us can absorb this like, you
know, my State and I would love that this book gets to be sort
of this some light for being like, Oh yeah, let's just read
this book over and over again and then we can think of all the
little ways you know if that serves people and staying
hopeful because it has been for me and I'm working on another
young adult novel, black circus. I'm actually going to be also
doing some performance art stuff.
Again, I'm working on Multi-dimensional immersive
installation. Performance work.
For the end of the year in Minneapolis called aerobics of
abolition and it's a thing that I want to like continue to tour
and it's you know I have some writing and a short film that I
made around it already as a part of a project I did with the
Pillsbury house theater and it has been expanding for the last
three years. Like I started it three years
ago and this iteration is going to be me like really letting it
be an embodied immersive. Experience, you know.
So, you know, those are the things that I feel like mainly.
I really do want to let my spirit and my mental health be
held by nature and now, you know, held by softness and
nerdiness and curiosity, and also pleasure, you know, and I'm
grateful for Adrian Marie, Brown my homie who, really offered us
pleasure as a, you know, container for holding such Pain.
And I think there's so many of us who lived in to that way of
being before we kind of again, had this sort of space to be
like, oh yeah, pleasure activism.
And that's definitely like I want to like, practice that like
I want to like, you know, have these pleasure practices of
abolition, both of my mind and, you know, my feelings around my
body, what it is and what it can experience both with pleasure.
And with Karen softness and luxury and he could food.
I'm about to Garden this year. So yeah, I'm about to really be
like and learning Trinidadian cooking.
Actually, I said this year, I really want to like study with
my mother and like become because I'm a good Chef actually
but them Trinity things the way my mom does Trini at out.
I'm just like man, I don't know how to treat me out my food, and
that's what I want to learn this year.
To friends doubles doubles It's not a I hope that this Saturn
Transit through Pisces and all the upcoming future transits.
Just produced so much support and so much love, and
nourishment. Thank you, friend.
It's not.
I just want to say thank you so much for being part of my life.
And for being part of embodied astrology for working with us
this year and for doing the work that you do and bringing it into
the world. So grateful for you, and I know
that so many people are my God. Yeah, I'm so grateful for you
friend and for the embodied astrology space.
And yeah, to get to have these kinds of conversations with
astrologers and really be like, okay, yeah, like how do we re
integrate astrology into all facets of life rather than
keeping it into, you know, because very singular spaces or
but that astrology is life, we are invited in it.
Yes, definitely. Well I will include in the show
notes. Notes.
All kinds of information about how folks can find you and stay
updated with you and come, take your class and hang out with you
at your opening and your book tour this year and let's close
out with your poem and thank you again for being here.
Aw, thank you. Boo, anytime Could we please
give the police departments to the grandmother's.
Give them the salaries in the pensions and the city vehicles,
but make them a fleet of vintage, Corvettes Jaguars, and
Cadillac's, with white leather interior.
Diamond in the back sunrooftop, digging the scene with the
Gangsta Lean, let the cars be bad.
As you would hear the old school jams like Patti, LaBelle and
need a baker and Al Green. You would Sweet Honey.
In the Rock harmonizing on WE who believe in Freedom will not
rest, bumping off the speakers. Oh, and they got the Bloomin
system and if you up to Mischief, they will pick you up
swiftly and they're sweet ride. And look at you until you catch.
Shame and look down at your lap. She asks, you, if you are hungry
and you say yes and of course you are, she got a crown of
dreadlocks and on the dashboard you see, brown faces like yours,
Shea, buttered and loved. And there are no precincts, just
love temples. They got spaces to meditate and
eat, delicious food, mangoes, blueberries, nectarine
cornbread, peas and rice fried, plantain Fufu, yams greens, okra
pecan, pies salad and lemonade things that make your mouth
water and soul arrive. All the huh?
Every bellies, no warmth, all the children, expect love the
Grandma's. Help you with homework,
practice, yoga with you, and teach you how to make jambalaya
and coconut cake from scratch when you're sleepy.
She will start humming and rub your back while you drift off.
A song that she used to have the record of when she was your age.
She remembers how it felt like to be you and be young and not
know the world that good. Grandma is a sacred child
herself who just circled the sun enough times into the ripest of
her crown Hood. She wants your life to be
sweeter when you are wiling out because your heart is broke or
you don't have what you need, the grandmas take your hand and
lead you to their Gardens. You can lay down amongst the
flowers, her grasses, roses dahlias irises Lily's car.
Collards kale egg plants. Like berries.
She wants you to know that you are safe and protected.
Universal Limitless, sacred sensual, the vine and free.
Grandma is the original Warrior a while since birth comfortable
and loving fiercely, she has fought so that you don't have to
not in the same ways at least. So, give the police department
to the Grandma's. They're Fearless classy and
actualized blossomed from love. They wear what they want and
they say what they please believe that there wouldn't be
noise citations been a Grandma's ride through our streets,
blasting. Stevie Wonder Nina, some Marvin
Gaye, Alice Coltrane Jimi Hendrix, Karis one, all that
good music. The kids going to hula hoop to
it. And tell her lemonade made from
heirloom, pink, lemons and maple syrup.
The car is solar powered and carbon footprint lists the
Grandma's designed the technology themselves at night.
They park the cars in a circle, so all can sit and done with the
sun roofs down. And look at the stars.
Talk about astrological signs. What to plant Tomorrow based on
the moon's, mood, and help you, memorize audre, Lorde and James
Baldwin quotes? She always.
Looks you in the eye and acknowledges the light in you
with no hesitation or fear and Grandma loves you fiercely
forever. She sees the pain in our
bravado, the confusion and our anger.
The depth behind our coldness, Grandma knows what oppression
has done to our souls and is going to change it.
One love I'll at a time she has no fear.
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