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Nobody knows how to swim that 
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You gotta be born their gills. 
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watery placenta of Neptune, you 
only dream when you are awake. 

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Everything. 
So ancient, it is happening in 

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the future to survive. 
On this Earth, we escaping to 

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ourselves. 
Hide in plain sight, finding 

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Solace and vice and lovers. 
No Light, No Air. 

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No need all. 
This is a dream anyway, 

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Mysteries, only the ancestors 
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of bioluminescence is deep sea 
melanin, flashing, wisdom in 

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your own skin Sparks of Cosmos 
in the depth of your watery 

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dark. 
When an ancestor is coming back 

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to the Earth, old lady's, dream 
of fish swimming through Lakes 

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of remember and forget, and they
catch the babies like 

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fisherwomen. 
On the Starlit sea of Sankofa. 

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That was Pisces season read by 
janata. 

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Petrus from her book, The Stars 
in the Blackness between them. 

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Hello, my name is, Renee Sills, 
I'm the host of embodied. 

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Astrology and janata. 
Petrus is my guest for this 

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episode janata is a creative 
activist writer. 

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Playwright and multi-dimensional
performance artist her work 

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centers around black wildness. 
Futurism ancestral. 

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Healing sweetness. 
A spectacle and Shimmer. 

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She is the author of The Stars 
in the Blackness between them, 

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winner of the 2020 Coretta. 
Scott King honor, book award and

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a forthcoming illustrated book. 
Can we please give the police 

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department to the grandmothers? 
Ginetta is also facilitating an 

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upcoming series of workshops 
with embodied astrology that 

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centers on Creative, exploration
and development with the 

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supportive astrological 
inspiration of the mutable 

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signs, this series of meetings 
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of the mutable season's over? 
47 days. 

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This year, on February 19th for 
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June 18th, for Gemini, season 
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Season in this series, we will 
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And he'll in our work through 
artistic activations, inspired 

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by the mutable quartet. 
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participation to the initiation 
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refinement of a Project, you've 
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drop into any or all sessions 
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practice with astrological 
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information on jannat, has 
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Alchemy engaging, in the 
magical, wisdom of the mutable 

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signs for A Soulful and 
meaningful artistic practice and

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life in the show notes or at 
embodied astrology.com in the 

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workshop section. 
In today's conversation, janata 

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and I talked about her journey 
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And its importance in shaping 
her writing and characters. 

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She shares about her upcoming 
Workshop series with embodied 

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astrology and the inspiration. 
She finds through the mutable 

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signs and we explore some ideas 
about what Saturn's form 

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building and shape, making 
influence, might bring during 

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its transit in Pisces 2023 
through 2026. 

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I always have such a good time 
talking to janata and I'm 

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excited to share this 
conversation with you. 

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Thanks for listening, I hope you
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Not a, thank you for coming back
onto the embodied astrology 

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podcast. 
It's such a joy to be able to 

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talk to you again. 
Oh my gosh, you know, I love 

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you, Renee your mind will only 
open ee. 

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Oo, boo! 
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astrology on the Instagram, and 
our connection felt exciting 

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right away, especially r on our 
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But I realize I've never asked 
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and what has kept you interested
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Like, what is this? 
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the stars and the planets. 
Well, I kind of like, think the 

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first time I ever stumbled upon 
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an older older, my aunt, my 
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don't know. 
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If she hadn't astrology book 
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astrology book, you know, like 
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kind of breaking them all down. 
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Our and Beauty and the layered -
of how things were described and

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I remember be like, oh my 
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you know where the cancer kind 
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holding it and contemplating and
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Who's an Aries? 
Who's always been kind of like 

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the free kind of wild Spirit of 
my mom's siblings, you know? 

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another way, like, she's an 
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retired, but how she represented
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a wild adult who did things that
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a gap like me and, you know, all
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so big and loud. 
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about just seeing her Gap in 
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definitely connected with this 
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like I think in high school is 
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interested in reading more about
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friends is signs. 
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relationship with it shifted 
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and this like hippy, homie and 
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and that's when I was like, oh, 
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It's not just your sun sign, but
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you know. 
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and connected to inspiration and
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space that was always kind of 
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know, feeling like into the 
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Legacy. 
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connected me to myself and my 
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I love that God. 
I love your enthusiasm for it 

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and how much you weave it in to 
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I mean, we talk about it all the
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Stars in the Blackness between 
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of astrology. 
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it's kind And of shaped around 
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poems throughout the book, you 
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are amazing. 
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have Aqua is an astrologer. 
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developing his character and his
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What was happening for you, as 
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relationship for him and what 
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character as an astrologer? 
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ways also of of maple, I think. 
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because I do think that for me 
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was grounded in limitlessness 
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character and I think a lot of 
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incarcerated, it's kind of like 
they just don't exist almost you

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know and our society absence 
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very much present in their life 
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those who love them. 
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ambiguous absence, you know. 
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politicization as a young person
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incarcerated, black people, 
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essentially this young black 
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death row and the conversation 
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you know, like what is it to be?
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universe that or a world that 
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even though it absorbs, every 
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right around when BLM was really
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collective Consciousness and I 
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its sacredness and it's 
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having This kind of dialogue and
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also between, you know, a sick 
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my process with writing the 
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through the characters and like 
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I'd right astrology poetry and 
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astrology, black astrology, 
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Allowed me to sort of be like, 
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these spirits. 
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themselves felt like channeled 
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you know, black ancestors and 
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let my brain do all. 
And also I'm neurodivergent, you

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know, so I feel like for me to 
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whole bunch of different place. 
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go a whole bunch of different 
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in the way the book is told and 
also lives in some of these 

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layers and I think astrology is 
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thought and such a beautiful 
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because it does let you be 
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Like there's as you know as an 
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every single thing and then 
somebody's like, but have you 

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heard of this asteroid? 
That's actually really the one 

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fucking yo shit out. 
You don't I mean, not like, no, 

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no. 
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a very beautiful container of 
limitlessness that also was a 

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container for the process of 
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I felt so inspired when I was 

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reading your book in the ways 
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really in a devotional practice 
sometimes with astrology and how

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you uplifted the signs and every
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felt to me. 
Like I learned a lot about that 

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energy and In, I don't remember.
Now, if all of them were like 

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this but in some of them, the 
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were talking about different 
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aunties or, you know, different 
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felt like, I learned so much 
about astrology, reading your 

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book. 
And I was wondering if you did 

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to, if writing off was character
and writing those poems taught 

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you about astrology and how you 
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that felt. 
Yeah, it's interesting because 

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you and I, you know, actually 
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conference in Seattle, the 
norweb and there I learned about

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Astro drama, you know. 
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personify identify kind of 
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like theatrical embodiments of 
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And I think now, looking back, 
even though I wrote the book 

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three years before, I feel like 
that's definitely part of the 

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experience that I had in writing
those poems and kind of living 

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into the Characters that are 
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know, like I think it was a way 
for me to acknowledge that a lot

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of how I live in astrology is 
this embodied kind of intuitive 

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way? 
And I sometimes struggle with 

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two dimensional charts, you 
know, like I'm still growing and

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learning that but I think once I
live in the embodiment of it and

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the sort of spirits and souls 
that live in that energy and 

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archetypes, like you said, it's 
just I get it, you know, a lot 

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more. 
I think it was interesting 

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because also like you know I 
found a embodied astrology after

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I put my book out most like oh 
this is kind of the energy in 

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the space in which I feel like 
astrology can make sense to me 

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and I think this all started to 
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You know it's like if we're all 
learning a thing in a very sort 

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of specific structure of 
knowledge or knowledge 

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absorption and we don't 
acknowledge that some of us 

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learn more easier from our 
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Space and you know feeling the 
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breeze and listening to it. 
So yeah like I feel that I 

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really did learn from this book 
process that astrology isn't a 

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thing that's like just 
psychological or just like on 

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this paper of, you know, lines 
and you know, circles but it's 

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actually like, oh like it's in 
the energy of a lover and how 

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you can't stop thinking about 
them and they seemed The center 

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of the universe because they're 
a Leo and everybody's obsessed 

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with them. 
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kind of live in that and I do 
feel like a lot of the poems are

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accumulated from all of the 
people I've met in my life and 

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the way that I've experienced 
them astrologically, as well as 

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you know, soulfully in their 
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astrology is an ancestral. 
Remembering what? 

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Of the time and that its 
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many different iterations and 
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are super scientific that have a
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that feel a lot more organic and
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really feels to me like there's 
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end up for you. 
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grounds me in the essence of 
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lived expression of it. 
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that the process of Astro, 
drummer something with something

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that you encountered later, it 
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characters and their aspects. 
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when I'm interpreting Charts or 
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I'm talking to people, we jump 
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fuck, you know. 
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So deeply and I was wondering 
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and your creative. 
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techniques are the names of the 
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it's been one of your creative 
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astrology and your other 
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in the Blackness between them or
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I'm trying to think of before 
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I think like through the stars 
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I got you really go all out and 
really be like give myself 

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permission to be like, yeah, 
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in Here. 
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research his study, a lot of 
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intersections with my creativity
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know I feel like even my future 
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My children's book that's coming
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like it is fun to think of them 
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dramatic, but it and subtle like
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multi-dimensional and 
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talked about internal family 
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that some of these cells will 
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will, you know be exiled within 
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elements of yourself and since 
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acknowledging the different 
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of myself that you know feels 
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best version and I don't want to
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Rising. 

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I'm pretty sure that's my Virgo 
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There's another part of myself. 
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like, you know, emo like, you 
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heavy my spirit is and how much 
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potentially but also I you know 
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astrology of it all even Tara 
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practice of mine like really 
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tarot card. 
There's so much stories or so 

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much density and interpretations
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Technologies for lack of a 
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practices to kind of create a 
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from. 
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like really in an ancestral 
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these roots and tendrils that 
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is channeling through us, you 
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of these, other entities, you 
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otherworldly. 
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communication with on an 
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unconscious level. 
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Blackness between them, a the 
process of making it and really 

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giving myself that support 
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like that, too. 
To show up for myself. 

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But it's also, I think makes it 
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what I'm saying. 
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like have hit me up and been 
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young people are, like reading 
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myself and curious about myself,
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And it's not like I set out to 
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spiritual book, but it's like, I
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to be in a spiritual 
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it's been beautiful to see how 
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wasn't even consciously trying 
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to make meaning and live into it
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astrology really invites us into
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going deeper, and like you said,
there's this Limitless quality 

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to it, where as we learn about 
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I think the self-concept, It and
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self is also constructed within 
the larger self or a larger hole

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of what's represented in an 
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whole solar system. 
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want to go or how far out you 
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system that is designed to bring
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And in that way, it feels like 
there's infinite amount of 

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creativity and not a lot of 
limitations on where you could 

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go with it. 
You're about to start a series 

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with embodied astrology. 
I love the title of it. 

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Artistic Alchemy engaging the 
magic of the mutable signs for A

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Soulful and meaningful artistic 
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I would love to hear you talk a 
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how you're thinking about it and
what you want to explore within 

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it. 
And yeah, how you're holding 

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astrology, also as a container 
for group, Process and mutual 

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support or collaboration? 
Yeah, I feel like, oh, thank you

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for asking me about that. 
And actually had a great 

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conversation with my friends 
last night. 

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Telling them about this class, 
actually, cuz I think, for me, I

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think somewhere, somebody said, 
like, you know, to really learn 

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something, you must teach it. 
You know, don't know where the 

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quote is from, don't at me but I
feel that, you know, this 

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particularly this class and even
just this Relation around my 

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experience of writing a book 
astrologically and wanting to 

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give the container of astrology 
to folks and know that there's 

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so much limitlessness within 
this structure that we all love 

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to play in which is astrology. 
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mutable sign of Pisces and I'll 
Pisces, oh my gosh, people tell 

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me talk junk about, I don't talk
John. 

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First of all, I never talked 
about any sign, but I love me 

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some Pisces energy and it feels 
so juicy to just be like, yeah, 

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we're starting off juicy as 
artists because that's where it 

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comes from. 
Anyway, comes from the juiciness

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everybody wants to be in that 
super feet conned and succulent 

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space of possibility. 
You know? 

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And also there's dreaminess, you
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all connected. 
We're all one. 

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We're all a part of this, you 
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and insight and wisdom. 
And And and all of the things, 

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right? 
I think like Pisces is a good 

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place for us as artists to be 
centered and reminded and 

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actually makes me think of the 
body is a chart you know that 

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you have and how you start with 
Pisces before you go into Aries 

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because I do think there's a 
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that grounding because I think 
carries energy, that's Mars 

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centered, it's very like spring.
Yeah, spring is when it's 

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popping when And Pisces is like,
no other so much deeper shit 

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happen in here. 
Y'all. 

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It's so deep. 
It's so underground. 

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And in the feels like this is 
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shit, you know, and I want to 
give people in that first class 

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permission to really sort of 
live in all of that luminous 

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liminality, you know, and, you 
know, allow what wants to come 

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through them, come through them 
and make ritual, and make, you 

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know, sort of Place to catch it.
You know, like I think Pisces 

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energy is very ancestral energy.
So we start off in Pisces and 

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then we're going to move into 
Gemini season which to me is 

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kind of like we're moving. 
We're growing were addicted 

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recipient. 
What do you want to know the 

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Curiosity to create a city? 
Where here, there everywhere it 

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could be anything and I always 
say, like Gemini's the sign of 

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the rapper, you know? 
I mean like I mean, first of 

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all, there's so many brilliant 
and complicated rappers who are 

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Gemini like, you know, Kanye are
boy, Kanye We have Kendrick 

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Lamar and I don't think he's 
complicated. 

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Just Kanye Kendrick Lamar's 
amazing, obviously Lauryn Hill. 

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Andre 3000, we have Prince is a 
Gemini and these are obviously 

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the sons, their sons. 
So I don't know where Jim I live

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in everybody else's Chardon, 
Gemini is, you know, prominent 

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in my chart with the Mercury and
Mars and the 10th House of 

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Gemini with a Virgo Rising Um, 
so I just think, like, Gemini's 

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permission to me like, yeah, 
y'all. 

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Let's just start all at the wall
recklessly, you know, like I've 

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ever Pisces kind of like, juicy 
delicious Gatherings and we're 

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floating, and we're dipping and 
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Now. 
Oh, where are jellyfish over 

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alien-like Gemini's. 
Like, you know why I like, okay,

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cool, let's go there then let's 
we aliens now. 

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Okay. 
So what's this universe? 

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Like, okay, you know, like I 
think Gemini is going to really 

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Ali. 
Just go off somewhere and then 

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we have Virgo season, you know, 
this next mutable sign that's 

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getting to be like, okay, we've 
had our fun and we're still 

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going to have fun. 
Stop thinking. 

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I'm not fun. 
Okay. 

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I'm a Virgo and I'm ready to 
actually hone in on like well 

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what is it? 
That I'm really wanting to make 

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this thing. 
We've spent all this time, 

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exploring and feeling this thing
out and now I'm using that 

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intuition and that alignment and
that Precision to really get 

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clear about How this thing will 
be shaped and thinking about, I 

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don't know, there needs to be 
another word. 

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But editing like, I like to 
think of it almost as a shaping 

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into something like however, be 
shaping this into the world, you

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know like I think a Virgo energy
as you know sort of like okay 

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this you know here we have this 
delicious tree that comes from 

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the earth. 
Here, we have all these 

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beautiful flowers like how are 
we actually understanding that a

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sunflower has these kinds of 
seeds in these kinds of petals 

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and of There can be gazillions 
kinds of some flowers, but we're

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also kind of just getting clear 
about what the shape and the 

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thing of it is, yeah, it's just 
thinking about that craft and 

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like medicinal quality of Virgo,
synthesizing something to its 

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elements of use. 
Yeah, I love this, keep going. 

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I'm so Sagittarius I think 
Sagittarius is like, okay you 

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done made something or you done 
been with something for a while.

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Where do you see this in the 
world? 

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How do you want to live with 
this in existence? 

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You know like I think 
Sagittarian Miss is very much 

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like, you know, You're dipping 
with your thick ass horse legs 

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and you got your bow and arrow 
on your like shit. 

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00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,400
I can really just pop this shit 
anywhere but I'm saying like and

446
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,100
I think I want people to feel 
that sort of levity kind of move

447
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,000
forth - and like you know. 
So what does it look like okay. 

448
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,500
Maybe you've been working on a 
dance this whole time, you know 

449
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,600
and you're like okay maybe I 
want to share this in a house 

450
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,100
concert you know and invite this
friend of play some records 

451
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,900
while I dance this out and 
invite people or maybe I'm 

452
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:13,800
Created this menu, you know what
I mean? 

453
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,300
And I like really thought about 
all these different. 

454
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,300
Like, I really want it to be a 
thing where, you know, people 

455
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:22,400
could think of all of his 
magical stuff that they've done 

456
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,600
whatever their art practices and
be like, okay? 

457
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,300
And now how am I going to share?
How is it going to move forth in

458
00:27:28,308 --> 00:27:30,900
the world? 
How is it going to, you know, 

459
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,900
lift the light into the world, 
you know? 

460
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:36,100
So I think the journey like I 
it's a thing where people could 

461
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:39,700
come in for obviously each 
section and or all of it, you 

462
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,400
know? 
I think they shouldn't you 

463
00:27:42,408 --> 00:27:46,200
should bring like if you have no
art idea at all for a project 

464
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,500
right now, pull up. 
If you're like I have a fucking 

465
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:54,000
book the deadline and I'm like I
hate writing, I literally hate 

466
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,500
writing, pull up. 
I got something for you. 

467
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600
You know what I'm saying? 
Like it's really going to be a 

468
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
generative and fun and juicy 
space. 

469
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,900
And yeah, I do think the 
mutability of it is like yeah 

470
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:09,200
we're just going to kind of like
stay in constant movement. 

471
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,900
You know, whether it's like a 
rocking by Whether it's a 

472
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:16,900
shimmy, whether it's a like, you
know, Sprint, you know, whether 

473
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:19,900
it's a float, you know. 
It's like we're just going to 

474
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:25,400
stay in movement and stay Supple
and know that from us being in 

475
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
that space. 
We could like, you know, give 

476
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000
birth, you know, from softness 
and softness in the world is a 

477
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,600
good thing. 
Oh, so yeah. 

478
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,700
I feel like, I feel like the 
immutable energies are so 

479
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,000
they're so intelligent. 
No, it's this. 

480
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,300
Exquisite intelligence of change
and transformation. 

481
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,100
And turning. 
One thing into another thing, 

482
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,900
and all the mutable signs are 
following the fixed signs moving

483
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,000
towards the Cardinal. 
It's like, how do we take 

484
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,200
something that is a form? 
Break it down, reconfigure it 

485
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800
and then reimagine and rebirth 
it. 

486
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,800
And when we've been talking 
about this series, I know I've 

487
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,700
been personally really excited 
because I feel like I have so 

488
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,300
many creative projects that I 
haven't been. 

489
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,800
Able to focus on and I don't, 
I've been having a lot of 

490
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,800
trouble over the last few years,
giving myself a container like a

491
00:29:19,808 --> 00:29:25,400
creative container and it feels 
necessary for me right now, I 

492
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000
think in a lot of ways to have 
somebody else, hold that. 

493
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,000
And so first of all, just thank 
you for holding this creative 

494
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,200
container per diem for anybody 
else that comes along on the 

495
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,900
journey. 
And then, yeah, secondly, thank 

496
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,300
you for letting this mutable 
energy flow through you. 

497
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:47,200
This container, you're such a 
mutable magic Mama Like Your 

498
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Chart is just so informed by 
mutability. 

499
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,000
And I'm wondering how you feel 
mutability or what's magical 

500
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,900
about it in your life in general
and how you resonate with with 

501
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:03,500
mutability as a theme? 
Yeah, I think. 

502
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Um, yeah, so I have a Virgo 
rising and I have mercury and 

503
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,500
Mars in Gemini. 
So, So Mercury rules, my chart, 

504
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,800
which is was kind of interesting
to me because I think I've 

505
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,100
always been like, oh cancers 
some you know. 

506
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:23,100
So I feel like me and the Moon 
is like this son, but I think 

507
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:28,200
when I really have started to 
contemplate Mercury and sort of 

508
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,700
that interest in like Limitless 
curiosity, I think that's always

509
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:39,600
been such a part of my identity 
is just I'm freaking curious as 

510
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:46,000
fuck, you know what I mean? 
And I think it allows me to 

511
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,300
experience so many magical 
things in life because I am 

512
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:55,900
never fully satiated on an 
intellectual Soul spiritual 

513
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:59,100
level. 
Like, I always want to feel all 

514
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:06,800
of the dimensions of the things,
and I think that I've really 

515
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,200
grown to understand more so that
Gemini in my chart, as of 

516
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,900
recently. 
And again, with this, This Astro

517
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,600
drama component where I'm like, 
wow. 

518
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,300
Like that's in my fucking 10th 
house, like that shit. 

519
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,600
Is in the brightness. 
Like, this is my most sort of 

520
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,000
like, you know, important kind 
of offering to the world lives 

521
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,600
in this aspect of me and some 
ways that feels also, like the 

522
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,300
most wild and Reckless and 
untenable part of myself is my 

523
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,900
Gemini placements, you know, 
where I feel like, wow, 

524
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,200
sometimes my brain is an 
overdrive with the Curiosity and

525
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,100
the thinking and the And having 
Mercury and Mars there in 

526
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,300
particular, I'm like, yo, 
Mercury's out here. 

527
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,700
Chirping Mars is like, okay. 
I got stuff to do. 

528
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:53,700
I have mad ideas and and Mercury
is over here like spasm because 

529
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,000
it's just like, whoa, there's 
just so many possibilities and 

530
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,800
to determine and just looking, 
right? 

531
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,300
And I think that's also been 
good about the therapeutic. 

532
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:04,200
Aspect of my life is like, oh 
dealing with internal family 

533
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,500
systems. 
If you like oh there's these 

534
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,200
parts of me that like some parts
of me. 

535
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Feel extremely driven. 
And I also think the Mercury and

536
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Mars component can make my mouth
kind of quick. 

537
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,900
Like, I love words, I love 
playing with words, I love being

538
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,400
kind of sassy in a way that's 
like unexpected, you know, like,

539
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600
I think that's where the rapper 
component of it is. 

540
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,900
It's like, oh, yeah. 
Like I love a good freestyle. 

541
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,400
Like, I'm a freestyle in a 
while, but I had a little like 

542
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
phase where I was freestyling, I
think freestyling is very Gemini

543
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,800
energy. 
You know, it's like you kind of 

544
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,600
gotta just let that they're kind
of take over your brain. 

545
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,100
So yeah. 
Like I think I'm, it's, it does 

546
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:47,000
also leave to my restlessness, 
and I think that's the Virgo 

547
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,400
aspect to. 
Like, I think Virgo can be 

548
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,900
extremely Restless because 
there's always a way of thing 

549
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:56,800
could be more perfect and more, 
you know, and then when you get 

550
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,400
that Perfection, then you get 
fixated on another Perfection or

551
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,400
and maybe Perfection isn't the 
word all the time. 

552
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Because I think that ends up 
making it seem very surface 

553
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,800
because it's like, yeah, like, 
what is Right is, it's a 

554
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:15,300
perception of a thing, not 
having a plot, but when I think 

555
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,800
of what we're going wants, like 
Virgo, wants it to feel right. 

556
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,500
Once it to feel like, okay, it's
almost like kind of, you know, 

557
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:29,800
lives into the ways that Virgo 
and Libra, I think, are similar 

558
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200
where it's like, okay, there's a
way that if things were this 

559
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,100
thing than everything could be 
good. 

560
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,300
I mean, think about Beyonce, 
like I am, I'm about to buy 

561
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:40,800
tickets to go see, Beyonce. 
And, you know, she's a Virgo and

562
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800
I think she's, you know, I know 
she has a lot of Libra in her 

563
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,100
chart to and I have a lot of 
Labor in my chart, but I think 

564
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,500
the Virgo aspect is that, you 
know, when you see the thing, 

565
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,500
the thing would be the best 
opportunity of observing the 

566
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,400
thing possible that could ever 
be iterated into existence. 

567
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,900
You know, I think that's Virgo 
energy and I don't I think it 

568
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:04,900
shouldn't feel like a slavery 
either. 

569
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:07,700
Like, I think that's what I love
about Renaissance and it's like 

570
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:12,000
being very dance and breathe I 
am very like, you know, like 

571
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,000
Virgos can be kind of freaky, 
like, like kind of being like, 

572
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,800
Oh I'm definitely going to get 
into the absolute sort of. 

573
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,900
Like, I'm going. 
I'm going to want to study the 

574
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,000
pleasure to serve you in 
whatever way that makes you. 

575
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,800
So I also feel like that aspect 
of service could also be kinky 

576
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
with Virgo, and I think that's 
also a thing I'm exploring where

577
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,000
I'm like, oh wow, like actually 
some of my restraints and some 

578
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,600
of my curiosity and some of my 
hide being and some of my life 

579
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,199
total of fixation and obsession 
is actually part of my kinkiness

580
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,800
that lives both sexually and 
creatively. 

581
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:53,500
So yeah, so I feel like Gemini's
very much like oh yeah, like I'm

582
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,800
kind of like, you know, both 
Gemini and Virgo kind of have 

583
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,200
that like, freaky kinky curious.
Like I want to make the things 

584
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,700
and thing that feels so like why
chefs case? 

585
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,300
So hmm. 
Do you think how do you think 

586
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,000
all of the mutability lives in 
my existence as a challenger and

587
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,200
homie? 
Well, you know, I remember the 

588
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,200
first time I looked at your 
chart, I was really struck by 

589
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,300
the placement of Vesta an 
asteroid, exactly conjunct your 

590
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:33,100
Virgo ascendant and that you 
know you were just talking about

591
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:39,000
Virgo as a perfectionist energy 
and Virgo in service and I think

592
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:44,200
Ink a Vesta. 
As you know, really a symbol of 

593
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,800
the divine feminine and the 
quality of devotion in all of us

594
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,500
when it comes to tending, what 
is life-giving, and what is 

595
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:59,100
vital? 
And I've certainly experienced 

596
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,900
your or parts of your 
perfectionism. 

597
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:06,100
You know, we've talked about it 
and it's I definitely feel the 

598
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,800
kind of constant churning, you 
know that it's It's happening 

599
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
and you around like, what's 
next? 

600
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,700
And how is this going to be 
better? 

601
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,100
And what am I going to do with 
this? 

602
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,400
I feel really inspired by that. 
And you also, by the way but I 

603
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,000
also feel this very consistent 
thread in the in the way that 

604
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,300
you approach not just your work 
but your life, you know. 

605
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:29,700
And I think that's the ascendant
sign with a question of of what 

606
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,800
is this in service to you know? 
And I see you constantly 

607
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,300
bringing the part of you that is
devotional and like showing up 

608
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,000
to conversations no matter who 
they're with. 

609
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:44,600
With with a kind of yeah like 
devotional effect. 

610
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
You know where your uplifting 
you're looking for? 

611
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,700
What's vital? 
You're not bypassing or like 

612
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,600
ignoring what's, what might not 
be something that we want to 

613
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,700
devote ourselves to? 
It's like you can speak your 

614
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,800
mind and you have that kind of 
quickness that you were talking 

615
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,500
about with that Mars Mercury in 
Gemini, but it just feels like 

616
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,300
you're a priestess, you know, in
your work and a lot of What 

617
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:13,400
you're doing a lot of the time 
is channeling and you have that 

618
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,800
mutable T Square in your chart, 
you know, with your all your 

619
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Cardinal angles, your ascendant 
descendant. 

620
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:27,100
Midheaven I see are in the 
mutable signs and then, yeah, 

621
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,600
just feel your, you have Neptune
in sad, right? 

622
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,000
At the base of your chart 
opposing that Mars and Mercury 

623
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,800
and Gemini. 
So, When like when you're having

624
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,900
a million ideas, it also feels 
deeply grounded in something 

625
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,800
that does seem spiritual. 
You know, as it's coming through

626
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,300
you and it does feel deeply 
ancestral and Limitless in that 

627
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,000
ancestral resonance. 
Like, I've heard you talk about 

628
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,300
your connection with the more 
than human realm. 

629
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,100
And so many different kinds of 
humanness, and it feels like you

630
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:06,400
and your awareness of yourself 
are so expansive, and And that I

631
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,700
really feel that in your 
mutability for sure. 

632
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,100
Wow. 
Thank you, friend. 

633
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,400
I love that. 
I love it. 

634
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,000
So it's always so wonderful to 
hear your readings because, of 

635
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,400
course, I listen to your 
horoscopes all the time, several

636
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,600
times a month, but it's fun when
I get to have you look at my 

637
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,100
chart and reflect some things 
that because, you know, it's 

638
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,000
always like, oh, that does make 
sense because I guess I never 

639
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,600
think about my neck. 
In Sagittarius in the fourth 

640
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:41,100
house and I'm like, oh yeah. 
Because I'm always thinking 

641
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:45,200
about all of the Gemini should 
and Mercury Mars or Venus in 

642
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,900
Leo, kind of not, you know, I'm 
also you know, sometimes 

643
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,200
thinking about my North know 
like there's sometimes I'm 

644
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,200
thinking about parts of my chart
and I'm kind of really thinking 

645
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,100
about it and reflecting on it, 
but Neptune in Sagittarius, and 

646
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,800
the fourth house because I never
think of myself as having 

647
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,600
anything in Sagittarius, but I'm
like, nah. 

648
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,800
I fucking do and it's not tuned 
in my house of like family home 

649
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:17,700
ancestral. 
You know, aspect so yeah, yeah, 

650
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,900
I find not with all Virgo, 
Rising charts, of course. 

651
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,700
But Sagittarius in the fourth 
house is often, you know, people

652
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,900
who have really diverse families
that they come from. 

653
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,900
I know your family comes from 
multiple different places and 

654
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,100
you know you've grown up with 
Like awareness of being an 

655
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,200
immigrant to, and like, having 
streams from many different 

656
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,700
places you traveled a lot. 
It's like, I feel like you speak

657
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,600
a lot of different languages 
within English, you know, you 

658
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,600
speak the language of 
playwriting and freestyling and,

659
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:55,900
you know, a political activist 
and author and a parent and your

660
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:58,200
you just switch between them so 
fluently. 

661
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:03,000
And I think you've had to, you 
know, in your life like you've 

662
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,200
been required. 
To hold a lot of different 

663
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,500
perspectives and awarenesses and
languages. 

664
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,700
Yeah, that's it is really so 
much as well. 

665
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:17,200
I know it's interesting and 
thinking about it in writing and

666
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,300
thinking about multilingual Leti
within Blackness and people will

667
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,600
call it cold switching which I 
feel like cold switching. 

668
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,600
Feels like you're kind of I 
don't know Cole switching feels 

669
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,400
like Oreo which I've also been 
real mad like, okay. 

670
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,200
So the Oreo it's like black on 
the outside white on the inside,

671
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:36,400
you know, is this idea that like
you know, it's a thing that I 

672
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,500
often would be told when I was a
kid because I'd be like, oh, I 

673
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:40,600
sounded White. 
Right? 

674
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,400
And there's certain spaces like 
with my family, where I sound 

675
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,000
more West Indian, but then I 
also sound more Yankee to them. 

676
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,900
Then West Indian and then I 
sound, you know, the kids in my 

677
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,900
community who were black kids 
from more. 

678
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,400
So black American migrants 
spaces like to me, you know, I 

679
00:40:59,408 --> 00:41:04,600
just I sounded West Indian black
but also from the hood but also 

680
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,900
like em, you know, just like oh 
that's an Oreo. 

681
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,300
But also like Oreos are such 
good cookies, you know what 

682
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,100
they're delicious. 
And I've literally was just 

683
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,300
like, writing a poem recently 
and I was like, my fucking 

684
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:19,100
Orioles are delicious. 
Why did I feel so much shame and

685
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,600
being an Oreo? 
You know, and I'm not white on 

686
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,800
the inside, but I am creamy, I 
am soft. 

687
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,800
I am sweet on the inside, you 
know, it's like so, what they 

688
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
made the cream white. 
The cream could have been any 

689
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,900
other color, but whatever. 
But I'm still soft and sweet and

690
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:37,500
creamy on the inside and I think
that's part of my life healing 

691
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,100
work, you know. 
But yeah definitely feeling like

692
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,700
There's so many people who 
according to where I'm at, you 

693
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:50,800
know, like my being in my 
expression, feels a reflection 

694
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,900
of, you know, my existence and 
you know like how do I as a 

695
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,100
writer kind of speak. 
Like I said to this you know 

696
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,000
black multilingual ality that. 
I think a lot of black folks 

697
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,800
move into different spaces. 
Like you know, I got a homie 

698
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:09,100
Malaika who's from LA and she 
used to be married to a trini 

699
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,000
and she do a better job. 
For me accent than I do. 

700
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:18,100
You know, and also is a comedian
and a rapper and super freaking 

701
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,900
smart, you know. 
Like I think there's just all of

702
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:25,800
the different ways that I see 
her comedic intelligence in her 

703
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,700
speaking. 
And yeah, I have a lot of 

704
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:33,300
friends, you know, I think about
my friend Val and Aquarius like 

705
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,000
is a Libra. 
So that's all are assigned 

706
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,500
energy. 
Anyways, I love you friends. 

707
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,600
But like, Cho, just the ways 
that people can be E in 

708
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,000
multi-lingual ality with 
themselves and particularly 

709
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
black folks. 
Like I do think there's like the

710
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,800
hip-hop tongue, the like 
diasporic black tongue. 

711
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:53,600
Yeah. 
So I do think about that 

712
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:59,500
especially within this like 
Neptune and Sagittarius, like, 

713
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:04,000
you know, how so much of us are 
from recent migratory, kind of 

714
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400
experiences like whether it's 
like, you know, a lot of the 

715
00:43:06,408 --> 00:43:09,400
kids who I grew up with four 
black kids from Chicago, like 

716
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,400
almost all of them. 
Like, I was like the only kid 

717
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,600
not from Chicago, and I was 
devastated because I was like 

718
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,800
like these kids are flyer than 
me. 

719
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,800
They're Cooler Than Me. 
They talk more than that, in a 

720
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,000
way. 
That like, I feel, Anyway, I 

721
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
might be nothing but like, you 
know, I do get curious as a 

722
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
writer. 
Like, how do you hold how black 

723
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,800
folks? 
You know, we're so 

724
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,900
multi-dimensional and time 
traveling in our speech and how 

725
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,600
we use language and the ways, 
our ancestors spoke in the 

726
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,600
places we grew up in the certain
things that were into and I 

727
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,400
really love going into that as a
writer. 

728
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,200
So yeah, I mean that that feels 
like Like magic. 

729
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,900
And I think that mutability 
definitely feels like part of 

730
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:03,900
that, and it brings me back to 
talking earlier, about how you 

731
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:07,600
got into astrology and, like, 
your approach with it and this 

732
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,100
sense of mutability, picking up 
a little bit of this and a 

733
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,200
little bit of that and like, 
I'll take some from here and 

734
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,200
I'll take some from there. 
And then, what can I maybe 

735
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,300
sometimes intentionally, what 
can I do with this? 

736
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,300
Or I'm picking up some of this, 
I'm picking up some of that and 

737
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,500
this is now, huh. 
I'm experiencing it and 

738
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:28,200
expressing it and it's going to 
This braiding together of 

739
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,700
different languages, different 
influences, Etc. 

740
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,000
And to me that feels like 
Advanced neural networks. 

741
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,600
You know, that feels like 
mycelial intelligence of 

742
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,600
recognizing that one language is
never going to be sufficient you

743
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,000
know for the entire Globe to 
converse. 

744
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,200
We need multilingual ality 
biodiversity is what creates 

745
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,700
life and so that yeah like both 
ancestral, remember? 

746
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,600
Whirring. 
But also lived experience within

747
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,400
society that you're talking 
about for black folks to exist 

748
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:07,100
in feels like it demands that 
kind of mutable magic. 

749
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:11,000
You know and ability to remember
make sense of create new 

750
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,900
language for and recreate within
systems that are not designed to

751
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,100
give that kind of Vitality but 
to find the essence in them that

752
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:22,600
is vital. 
Yeah, I love, you know, I love 

753
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,800
you so much for bringing up the 
shrooms over at all. 

754
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,900
Overall life. 
Yeah, no definitely. 

755
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,000
And I definitely feel that even 
in my recent like familial 

756
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,500
history like I was born in 
Minneapolis Minnesota, the 

757
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,600
middle of the Cold Lake. 
We have had negative degrees 

758
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,000
this week friend. 
It's like just violently 

759
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,900
disrespectfully cold up in here 
but I was born here in the 

760
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,800
Midwest around. 
No ocean. 

761
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,300
So many lakes though around so 
many freshwater lakes but no 

762
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,400
oceans. 
When my parents talked about 

763
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,400
being by the water, they're 
talking ocean, they're talking. 

764
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,400
You know, Trinidad, st. 
Croix. 

765
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,300
You know they're talking about 
these whole other ecologies and 

766
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,700
universes that like they're born
from like, that's their 

767
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:10,700
existence, and they're raising 
me from that sort of emotional 

768
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,500
and psychological and spiritual 
and ancestral, interiority. 

769
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,500
But it's a place that I have no 
knowledge of, like, I don't 

770
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:19,600
know. 
And I think, like, that's 

771
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,900
definitely the stuff. 
A lot of, you know, immigrant 

772
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:25,500
kids talk about is that you're 
living in this song. 

773
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,000
Collapsed space and time, you 
know with your parents like 

774
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
we're in their reality. 
It's only where they're from and

775
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,400
where you're, you're from this 
place and it's the same. 

776
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,700
So yeah. 
Like I feel like so much of when

777
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,900
I really think about what I'm 
trying to make sense of in my 

778
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,300
writing is, you know, just 
making sense of like, wow, like 

779
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,600
us as black folks were really 
borderless, you know, like, I 

780
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
guess that's what I'm trying to 
say, you know, because I want to

781
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,200
be mindful of not, you know. 
Wanting to, like acknowledge the

782
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,700
diversity of Blackness because 
we're so diverse. 

783
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:04,400
And I think we're so flattened 
and our society Blackness is 

784
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,700
even though it's so clear how 
you know multi-dimensional it 

785
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:12,800
is, and that's whatever. 
But I also think that I'm, I'm 

786
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,200
into this understanding of like,
oh wow, like when they snatched 

787
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,000
us all like my wife is from 
Cameroon. 

788
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:26,200
And I went to like the slave 
sort of Stolen castles where 

789
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,700
they took enslave people and you
just saw where they just like, 

790
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:35,900
gathered everybody up and then 
put them in a freaking like 

791
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,500
dungeon and then put them in a 
bowl. 

792
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,000
And some of them both went to 
Jamaica. 

793
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,100
Some of them boats went to 
Trinidad, some of them boats, 

794
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:47,800
went to North America art, the 
u.s. someone to Brazil, a lot 

795
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,100
went to Brazil, you know, you're
just like damn. 

796
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,300
Who the hell are we? 
We're all of it and we're Beyond

797
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,000
it. 
So anyways, friend. 

798
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,100
Well, that actually feels like a
good segue to a question that I 

799
00:48:00,107 --> 00:48:06,000
have for you about Saturn in 
Pisces because Saturn as an 

800
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800
archetype, like all of the 
archetypes is, of course, 

801
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,900
complex and multifaceted but it 
can definitely represent themes 

802
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:20,200
around policing and authority 
and dominant kinds of ways of 

803
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,800
being or oppressive. 
Ways of being that then seek to 

804
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,100
enslave or employ, you know, 
around whatever its objectives 

805
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:29,700
might be. 
And so it represents 

806
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:36,600
restrictions obstacles in a in 
some of its associations. 

807
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,500
It can represent, you know, 
actually like a boss or an 

808
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,300
authority or someone who 
enslaves, but on the other end 

809
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:48,000
of its Spectrum, it brings us 
into eldership and maturation. 

810
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,900
The way that I resonate a lot 
with Saturn is, as a Feminine 

811
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,800
archetype and archetypes. 
That brings us to like the idea 

812
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,400
of the Council of grandmothers 
or the council. 

813
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,300
Grandparents and in your chart, 
Saturn has moved from the 5th 

814
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,800
House of creativity and creative
expression into the sixth house 

815
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,900
of jobs and, you know, kind of 
making things formed in a 

816
00:49:12,908 --> 00:49:16,100
particular way that have 
sometimes something to do with 

817
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:20,700
career and you recently 
published a children's book 

818
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:23,000
based on your Or poem, could we 
please give the police 

819
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,100
departments to the grandmothers 
and that feels like a very 

820
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,700
succinct possibility for Saturn 
in Pisces and this, you know, 

821
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:39,100
this archetypes it wants to be 
reimagined, right? 

822
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:42,200
In a mutable sign, this kind of 
feeling of how do we take one 

823
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,700
thing and turn it into another 
thing? 

824
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,900
And I'm wondering if you could 
talk a little bit, you know, if 

825
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,700
you want, if it inspires you 
about, How you read Saturn's 

826
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:57,000
archetype and how you see the 
role of grandmothers and Elders 

827
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,100
of society as being an antidote 
or alternative or place of 

828
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:05,300
imagination for a transformation
to the roles that police 

829
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,200
currently hold and have held. 
Yeah. 

830
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:11,000
Okay, so I love a, this 
conversation around. 

831
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Saturn and all of the ways that 
your kind of reimagining, Saturn

832
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,000
more. 
So like Crone energy rather than

833
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,200
like you know, scary daddy 
energy. 

834
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:28,400
She and I love especially when I
think of, you know, where does 

835
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,400
safe and magical kind of 
structure and boundaries come 

836
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,800
from. 
And I think of, you know, 

837
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,000
strangely, even though it's a 
children's book, I think about, 

838
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,100
you know, I'm not going to go 
there because I'm just thinking 

839
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,400
about something else. 
But I think, you know, within 

840
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000
this space of this children's 
book like respecting and loving 

841
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,900
this authority of Grandma 
Authority. 

842
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:58,600
That's so Meaning and so deeply 
caring and also wanting to be 

843
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,900
very careful of not assigning 
Elder women. 

844
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:05,500
This role of come save the day, 
particularly black Elder women 

845
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,400
and I also feel like the reason 
that, you know, like I was 

846
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,000
really thinking about how 
particularly black women absorb 

847
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,800
and have had to absorb so much 
of what America sort of won't 

848
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,500
acknowledge about it. 
Emma. 

849
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:24,500
And I think about fibroids. 
But, you know, I've had that are

850
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:28,400
like these non-cancerous growths
in your uterus, you know, and a 

851
00:51:28,408 --> 00:51:34,000
lot of it, a lot of black women 
and black people with uteruses, 

852
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,500
receive an experience this, you 
know, throughout the world. 

853
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:41,300
And I was just thinking about 
how a lot of that is, just 

854
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:45,500
absorbing kind of bees. 
Toxicities of being in this 

855
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:48,100
culture and having to absorb all
of the violence all of the 

856
00:51:48,107 --> 00:51:53,000
disrespects, you know, and all 
I'll give so much of our magic 

857
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,500
and sweetness, you know. 
So when I think about wanting to

858
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,500
live into this idea of Grandma 
energy, I really think it's a 

859
00:52:01,508 --> 00:52:04,000
thing that all of us could be no
matter our gender, no matter 

860
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,500
race. 
No matter our age that like, if 

861
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,400
we're living in to this 
abolitionist space, this post 

862
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,500
police space. 
We have to learn how to have a 

863
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:18,300
certain soft, and beautiful and 
loving empowerment and way of 

864
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,100
navigating a journey towards 
Collective healing. 

865
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:26,400
And holding for all of the 
multi-dimensional wounds and 

866
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,900
Brokenness and depressions that 
have existed over time. 

867
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,100
And I came up with this acronym,
like yesterday. 

868
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:39,200
So this is like hot on the 
press, the buing on the 

869
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,700
embodied. 
Astrology podcast, the acronym 

870
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,800
of grandma is getting real 
abolitions. 

871
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Now dreams may awaken to me, I'm
like, we could all be Grandma's.

872
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,800
We can all be So like you know, 
getting abolition, you know, how

873
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,400
many times you know, how many 
ways do we need to get 

874
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,400
abolition? 
It's going to be a meditation, 

875
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,800
it's going to be a practice. 
It's going to be like multiple 

876
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,800
Technologies of like healing 
from all of these ways of trying

877
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,900
to overpower and extract from 
each other from nature, from all

878
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:19,900
the other species. 
So I do feel like abolition is 

879
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:23,500
also Well like how do we see 
that? 

880
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:28,100
As part of the environmental 
work is lives in abolition, you 

881
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:32,700
know, and lives and dreaming and
lives and all of it. 

882
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:34,300
Hmm. 
Yeah. 

883
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:40,100
Yeah that really lands. 
I feel like Pisces is so often 

884
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,200
associated with the 12th house 
and these places of that are 

885
00:53:44,207 --> 00:53:48,700
sometimes talked about in such a
carceral way and experience, you

886
00:53:48,707 --> 00:53:51,100
know, where there is a loss of 
self or there? 

887
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:56,400
The kind of enclosure around the
self that doesn't allow for 

888
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,500
interaction or expansion in an 
external way and then asks, for 

889
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,100
the interaction and expansion to
have it internally and 

890
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:07,400
spiritually. 
And like you said in very 

891
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,800
multi-dimensional and spiral, it
can overlapping ways. 

892
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,800
And as you were talking, I was 
writing down some words that to 

893
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,200
me just resonates so deeply with
Pisces, like abolition and 

894
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,800
dreams may awake. 
Aiken, write this kind of sense 

895
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,300
of Pisces being a dreaming State
and Saturn's presence. 

896
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:31,500
They're asking for something 
right to be realized you were 

897
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:36,900
mentioning absorption a bunch 
and you know in society the 

898
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:42,600
absorption that I think yeah 
lands upon the bodies of black 

899
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,800
women and and people who are 
living in the intersections of 

900
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,100
marginalization where there's 
what you said, you know this. 

901
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:56,200
This absorption of so much. 
And then at the same time, need 

902
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,100
to give magic and sweetness like
to do this, alchemical internal 

903
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:03,400
work. 
That then also, like, Pisces is 

904
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,000
depleting, I mean, it takes so 
much and it takes from every 

905
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,400
different level of one's be a. 
And I'm thinking about high seas

906
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,300
as a as an energy that is 
sometimes, channeled through 

907
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,200
Neptune as its planetary, 
representative and Neptune is 

908
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,900
currently in Pisces and Over the
next couple of years is Saturn 

909
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,200
moves into Pisces. 
Saturn is moving towards a 

910
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,700
conjunction with Neptune. 
And with astrology in general, 

911
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,800
like there's a million ways to 
read into that, but if we wanted

912
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:39,000
to read into it around this 
sense of collective dreaming, I 

913
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,000
think that Pisces and Neptune 
can speak to and a generational 

914
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:50,000
longing or a fantasy, right? 
Like oh this is it like this is 

915
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,100
this is the That we're looking 
for and with Pisces and Neptune,

916
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:58,000
it's not quite here, it's not in
a solid form, its intangible, 

917
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,400
but it's a dream, and we feel 
it, and we are immersed in it 

918
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,300
and then Saturn comes in and it 
wants form, right? 

919
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:09,400
And it's doing this work of 
restructuring and, you know, I 

920
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,700
think that this Transit 
potentially has a lot of 

921
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,100
possible support for people who 
are doing abolition work for 

922
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,900
example and I'm wondering, you 
know, for you You in the in the 

923
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,500
place that you hold in your 
life, which branches into so 

924
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,500
many different areas. 
I mean, you are such a prolific 

925
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:30,400
creative genius, but you're also
an activist and you're deeply 

926
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,300
rooted in Minneapolis, and the 
activism has been happening 

927
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:37,100
there for several years. 
Do you think that we can harness

928
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:42,000
this energy for a collective 
push to do the abolition work or

929
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,500
to defund the police and refund 
more social projects? 

930
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:50,900
And what do you imagine that? 
This activism might look like 

931
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,800
Daily lives and in our 
communities, I love that 

932
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,500
question. 
Yeah, I like to think so. 

933
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,500
You know I'm extremely hopeful. 
I love that we're kind of 

934
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:07,900
slowing down and getting curious
about what foundations we need. 

935
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,000
And I think that's happening 
individually. 

936
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,300
And I also think it's because we
are dreaming big, you know it's 

937
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:19,400
like We're Dreaming big. 
So, thus how do we live into 

938
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,500
understanding that? 
There's different foundations 

939
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:30,200
and kind of resources and skill 
sets that we need to have. 

940
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,000
So I love thinking about Neptune
and Saturn in Pisces together, 

941
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Dreamin together and thinking 
about, Neptune, dreaming and 

942
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,800
having all these ideas and then 
Saturn kind of being like a life

943
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,900
coach, you know, almost energy 
like kind of a little naughty 

944
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:49,600
life coach because it's like, 
yeah, like it doesn't have to be

945
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,800
all pay. 
Full. 

946
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:57,000
It can be very like pleasurable.
You know, pleasure identified in

947
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,400
the healing. 
I think that's a part of the 

948
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,400
healing to is like, how do we 
live in two things, feeling? 

949
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Good as you know, metric for 
what it is. 

950
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,800
We're trying to do and I'm 
really excited to think about 

951
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,200
like yeah what I mean. 
So like with this poem you know 

952
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:22,000
that really came from a place of
sadness and like Just like, wow,

953
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,700
man, you know, around the Time 
Michael Brown was murdered. 

954
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:30,300
I was working in a puppet 
parade. / masking puppet Parade 

955
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,500
in Minneapolis called, the May 
Day parade. 

956
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:39,000
And That year, we decided the 
theme was black lives matter and

957
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,700
I decided to create a section 
called black is sacred and 

958
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:45,700
really sort of acknowledging 
that like, wow, you know, for 

959
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:51,400
what Blackness has been to the 
United States, we get to be 

960
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,800
sacred, we got to be protected, 
y'all will go out of your way to

961
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,900
protect a motherfucking Marsh, a
motherfucking household of dogs,

962
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:03,900
which I think is a good thing. 
You know, I didn't mean that. 

963
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,400
People see the Divinity in all 
things except somehow, not the 

964
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,200
sacredness and black people. 
And y'all want to listen to 

965
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:16,100
hip-hop and the, you know, do 
all of the different twerking 

966
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:20,800
and things. 
And so I just feel that that's 

967
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,400
also part of the You know, so 
anyways, that is where the 

968
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,200
grandmother's poem came from was
like, I want to live into the 

969
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,900
sacredness of black people, and 
when Michael Brown was murdered.

970
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:37,400
I thought about how the police 
man. 

971
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,200
I forget his name who killed 
them, like Justified it by like,

972
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,800
oh, he was so terrifying and 
monstrous and had like, Hulk, 

973
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,300
like strength and I just shot 
him dead. 

974
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
And how there's always a good 
reason for shoot, you know, 

975
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,200
murdering a black person and 
people were like, yep, that 

976
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,400
sounds. 
Plausible. 

977
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,800
And I think about when I worked 
in Harlem, at this organization,

978
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,600
the Brotherhood sister soul, 
and, you know, I worked in their

979
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,400
community garden and there were 
all these Elders who had their 

980
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,000
chairs, like, just in front of 
the garden and would greet all 

981
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,900
the kids as they're coming home 
from are coming from school to 

982
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,900
the building for their 
after-school activities and just

983
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:19,600
a model of and presents these 
Elders had and the kids had with

984
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,000
them and even like the teenage, 
you know, boys that were being 

985
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,700
hassled by. 
Cops all the time. 

986
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:28,200
When they would come around 
these Elders, the elders gave 

987
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,700
them so much love and presence 
and questions like you coming to

988
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:34,800
the barbecue is, I could you 
come pick this up for me and all

989
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,200
this stuff and it was like, oh 
yeah this is the Ecology of 

990
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,300
love. 
That kids deserve not being 

991
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:44,400
criminalized because you look a 
certain way and you know they do

992
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,000
it to black girls and you know, 
black non-binary, queer kids and

993
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:54,000
all the ways to you know, like 
there's so much Disassociation 

994
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,900
from getting to be ourselves 
because we're always being put 

995
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:04,000
into this fiction of white fear 
and fragility and Fantastical so

996
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,600
I'm very interested. 
I think there's so much magical 

997
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,300
work that's happening and I 
really wanted in this poem I 

998
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:13,700
guess, you know, but the poem is
kind of therapeutic when I wrote

999
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:15,800
it because and it's kind of like
a soft little juicy. 

1000
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:18,400
Kind of like some of my poems 
are more like kind of 

1001
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:22,700
complicated and cerebral or sexy
or emo and this is just A super 

1002
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:26,200
like cotton candy poem almost 
for me like Mark ice cream. 

1003
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,100
Cone is like a delicious freshly
churned ice cream cone of a 

1004
01:01:29,107 --> 01:01:32,500
poem. 
Yeah, so I think like I really 

1005
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:37,800
want to like give this ice cream
cone of possibility, 

1006
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,300
abolitionist, big possibility, 
to the world. 

1007
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,800
And that's kind of how it lived 
in this parade section. 

1008
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,900
Was like, here's this poem, 
about grandmas and everybody, 

1009
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:49,400
let's make a thing. 
We're going to do something 

1010
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,100
similar to that in Minneapolis 
actually for the book launch and

1011
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:56,800
In August, I'm having a book 
launch in April and then another

1012
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,600
like kind of block party with 
the Pillsbury house, where I 

1013
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,700
went to daycare, and I've 
performed out of there, we're 

1014
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:06,700
having a block party inspired by
these grandmas and we're going 

1015
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:10,500
to have all this puppet and, you
know, floats and weird shit. 

1016
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:16,000
So it's yeah. 
So so anyway, so I think I do 

1017
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,700
hope you have alishan. 
Like, I hope it gets like to be.

1018
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:22,000
I hope as we build it, we know 
that it can be. 

1019
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,100
Be also a soft process where we 
don't have to abuse ourselves 

1020
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:30,700
anymore to get Freedom. 
Like I think, hopefully that's 

1021
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:33,500
where the Saturn in Pisces comes
into. 

1022
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:40,400
That is kind of protective. 
And the, Neptune dares, to 

1023
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,300
imagine that we could have a 
soft and protective journey into

1024
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:47,200
abolition. 
Like, I don't, I'm tired of 

1025
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,100
absorbing, this experience of 
like, oh, we have to suffer to 

1026
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:55,300
end suffering. 
So, I'm curious about that, too.

1027
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:00,900
It was a roller coaster answer. 
I don't know, friend. 

1028
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:04,800
Those really beautiful and I, 
yeah, I just, I feel so much 

1029
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,700
love for you and so much 
gratitude for the ways that you 

1030
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,300
Works. 
So creatively to bring just so 

1031
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:16,100
much nourishment to people and 
so much support and to serve 

1032
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,500
your community and sort of black
people and black women, black 

1033
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:22,500
queer people. 
And to take, you know, the huge 

1034
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:26,100
amount of trauma and fucked up, 
shit that you've had to absorb. 

1035
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,900
And to do this mutable magic 
with it, where it's like, you 

1036
01:03:28,908 --> 01:03:32,200
consistently, turn it into art 
and you are in your service. 

1037
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,300
You know that that Vesta 
placement again. 

1038
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:39,400
Yeah, I just have one more 
question for you and when you 

1039
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,700
were talking about I forget, I 
forget the term that you used. 

1040
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:47,600
It was naughty something like 
Saturn can be a naughty like a 

1041
01:03:47,607 --> 01:03:49,800
body life coach. 
I'm not a life coach. 

1042
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,800
Yeah. 
And it made me it reminded me of

1043
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:56,700
a while back, you were talking 
about Virgos being kinky. 

1044
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:01,700
Yeah, because the Virgo solar 
chart like a Virgo Rising chart 

1045
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:04,800
puts Capricorn in the fifth 
house, which is a place of it. 

1046
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,400
Erotic play and you know 
Capricorn and that placement is 

1047
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:15,200
kind of kinky and like working, 
I think creatively and 

1048
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,800
erratically with power is one 
thing that that placement can do

1049
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,500
and you're your chart, you've 
got to, I use a class of this 

1050
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:27,400
house system, not whole science.
So you got Capricorn on the cusp

1051
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,400
in Aquarius, is there and Saturn
has been moving through this 

1052
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,800
place for you for the last few 
years. 

1053
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,000
But now It's coming into your 
sick spouse, and I guess, one 

1054
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:45,600
way that I would feel into that 
Transit is taking a kind of raw 

1055
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:52,900
arrows, like vital, passionate, 
pinky force, and figuring out 

1056
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:56,700
how to have a good time with 
something that then you really 

1057
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,700
bring into practice and and 
bring into Service and bring 

1058
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:04,100
into your labor and your work. 
And so my last question for you 

1059
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,900
is just Cassity about how you 
feel right now in your own life.

1060
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:12,600
With this movement of Saturn, 
the planetary daddy, the naughty

1061
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,500
life, coach for maker. 
Yeah. 

1062
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:18,700
What do you think? 
Saturn might manifest for you in

1063
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,300
Pisces? 
Sees, In This Place of, you 

1064
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,500
know, your sick spouse your 
day-to-day job also moving into 

1065
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,100
a trying with your cancer Sun up
there in the 10th. 

1066
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:29,500
It feels like a really exciting 
time for you. 

1067
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:33,200
Career-wise, what's coming up 
for you or what are you calling 

1068
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,800
in? 
Yeah. 

1069
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,700
Ha ha. 
Um, well this year, I definitely

1070
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:47,400
am interested in how do I 
balance play and curiosity with 

1071
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,400
attention with like being 
present and attentive to the 

1072
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,900
life, I'm living in the moment. 
Like I really want to be greedy 

1073
01:05:54,900 --> 01:06:00,500
with my attention to Nature. 
And I really do want to sort of 

1074
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:06,200
break into this like, You know, 
kind of erotic relationship with

1075
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,800
yeah, life offline. 
I guess, I've been saying I'm 

1076
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,400
having a 90s love affair with 
myself and I feel like that's 

1077
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:19,700
very much the you know, way that
I describe how I don't have, 

1078
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:23,200
like a digital kind of 
colonization on my brain, you 

1079
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,700
know? 
And I think for me creatively 

1080
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:31,200
that's going to allow me to 
just, you know, similarly feel 

1081
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,900
into some of the projects I'm 
holding, right? 

1082
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,100
Right now like well the 
grandmother's book is going to 

1083
01:06:35,107 --> 01:06:39,000
be in the world and it's going 
to be yeah like I think having a

1084
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,800
very interesting conversation of
abolition with all the 

1085
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,200
generations and a very 
beautifully illustrated book 

1086
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,900
that's very you know dynamic and
like you know, speaking to how 

1087
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,900
beautiful and wondrous it can 
be. 

1088
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,700
And I want to be able to hold 
space and whatever way I can 

1089
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:02,400
with how that conversation 
blossoms, especially as we deal 

1090
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,100
with. 
Laughter cycle of, you know, 

1091
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:11,200
police violence and anti 
Blackness and black death to 

1092
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,600
like remind us of this. 
Like North Star. 

1093
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,200
Oh but shit. 
Now we bought this juicy life. 

1094
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:24,100
These all these these like sort 
of, you know, people that are 

1095
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:28,700
brainwashed by white domination 
and white supremacy and power 

1096
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:31,700
that sometimes it's in white 
bodies and sometimes it's in 

1097
01:07:31,707 --> 01:07:34,400
bodies. 
That are the target. 

1098
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,900
You know, that they say that all
of us can absorb this like, you 

1099
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:43,900
know, my State and I would love 
that this book gets to be sort 

1100
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:47,600
of this some light for being 
like, Oh yeah, let's just read 

1101
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,000
this book over and over again 
and then we can think of all the

1102
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,800
little ways you know if that 
serves people and staying 

1103
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:59,400
hopeful because it has been for 
me and I'm working on another 

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young adult novel, black circus.
I'm actually going to be also 

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doing some performance art 
stuff. 

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Again, I'm working on 
Multi-dimensional immersive 

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,200
installation. 
Performance work. 

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01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:21,800
For the end of the year in 
Minneapolis called aerobics of 

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,100
abolition and it's a thing that 
I want to like continue to tour 

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01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,399
and it's you know I have some 
writing and a short film that I 

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01:08:29,407 --> 01:08:32,899
made around it already as a part
of a project I did with the 

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Pillsbury house theater and it 
has been expanding for the last 

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01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,700
three years. 
Like I started it three years 

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01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:45,600
ago and this iteration is going 
to be me like really letting it 

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,899
be an embodied immersive. 
Experience, you know. 

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01:08:48,899 --> 01:08:54,800
So, you know, those are the 
things that I feel like mainly. 

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01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,600
I really do want to let my 
spirit and my mental health be 

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,000
held by nature and now, you 
know, held by softness and 

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01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,300
nerdiness and curiosity, and 
also pleasure, you know, and I'm

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01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,399
grateful for Adrian Marie, Brown
my homie who, really offered us 

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01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:18,100
pleasure as a, you know, 
container for holding such Pain.

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01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:21,399
And I think there's so many of 
us who lived in to that way of 

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being before we kind of again, 
had this sort of space to be 

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,399
like, oh yeah, pleasure 
activism. 

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01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:29,700
And that's definitely like I 
want to like, practice that like

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01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:33,200
I want to like, you know, have 
these pleasure practices of 

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01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:40,399
abolition, both of my mind and, 
you know, my feelings around my 

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01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:45,500
body, what it is and what it can
experience both with pleasure. 

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01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:51,700
And with Karen softness and 
luxury and he could food. 

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01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:55,400
I'm about to Garden this year. 
So yeah, I'm about to really be 

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01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,400
like and learning Trinidadian 
cooking. 

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,200
Actually, I said this year, I 
really want to like study with 

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01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,900
my mother and like become 
because I'm a good Chef actually

1134
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:09,100
but them Trinity things the way 
my mom does Trini at out. 

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01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:11,700
I'm just like man, I don't know 
how to treat me out my food, and

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01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:12,800
that's what I want to learn this
year. 

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01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:22,200
To friends doubles doubles It's 
not a I hope that this Saturn 

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01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,200
Transit through Pisces and all 
the upcoming future transits. 

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01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,100
Just produced so much support 
and so much love, and 

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01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:30,900
nourishment. 
Thank you, friend. 

1141
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:34,200
Thank you, friend. 
It's not. 

1142
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,800
I just want to say thank you so 
much for being part of my life. 

1143
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,700
And for being part of embodied 
astrology for working with us 

1144
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:43,700
this year and for doing the work
that you do and bringing it into

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01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,200
the world. 
So grateful for you, and I know 

1146
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,100
that so many people are my God. 
Yeah, I'm so grateful for you 

1147
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,900
friend and for the embodied 
astrology space. 

1148
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:58,500
And yeah, to get to have these 
kinds of conversations with 

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01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,900
astrologers and really be like, 
okay, yeah, like how do we re 

1150
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:04,900
integrate astrology into all 
facets of life rather than 

1151
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:08,800
keeping it into, you know, 
because very singular spaces or 

1152
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:13,700
but that astrology is life, we 
are invited in it. 

1153
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,400
Yes, definitely. 
Well I will include in the show 

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:19,000
notes. 
Notes. 

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,100
All kinds of information about 
how folks can find you and stay 

1156
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,200
updated with you and come, take 
your class and hang out with you

1157
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,800
at your opening and your book 
tour this year and let's close 

1158
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,500
out with your poem and thank you
again for being here. 

1159
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:40,200
Aw, thank you. 
Boo, anytime Could we please 

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,900
give the police departments to 
the grandmother's. 

1161
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,500
Give them the salaries in the 
pensions and the city vehicles, 

1162
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:50,700
but make them a fleet of 
vintage, Corvettes Jaguars, and 

1163
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:53,900
Cadillac's, with white leather 
interior. 

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01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:58,300
Diamond in the back sunrooftop, 
digging the scene with the 

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01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:01,300
Gangsta Lean, let the cars be 
bad. 

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01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:05,200
As you would hear the old school
jams like Patti, LaBelle and 

1167
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,300
need a baker and Al Green. 
You would Sweet Honey. 

1168
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,700
In the Rock harmonizing on WE 
who believe in Freedom will not 

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01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:15,400
rest, bumping off the speakers. 
Oh, and they got the Bloomin 

1170
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,300
system and if you up to 
Mischief, they will pick you up 

1171
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:22,800
swiftly and they're sweet ride. 
And look at you until you catch.

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,300
Shame and look down at your lap.
She asks, you, if you are hungry

1173
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:31,500
and you say yes and of course 
you are, she got a crown of 

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01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:35,400
dreadlocks and on the dashboard 
you see, brown faces like yours,

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01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:41,400
Shea, buttered and loved. 
And there are no precincts, just

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01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,600
love temples. 
They got spaces to meditate and 

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01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:51,700
eat, delicious food, mangoes, 
blueberries, nectarine 

1178
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:59,200
cornbread, peas and rice fried, 
plantain Fufu, yams greens, okra

1179
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:04,100
pecan, pies salad and lemonade 
things that make your mouth 

1180
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:07,500
water and soul arrive. 
All the huh? 

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,900
Every bellies, no warmth, all 
the children, expect love the 

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01:13:11,907 --> 01:13:13,700
Grandma's. 
Help you with homework, 

1183
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,200
practice, yoga with you, and 
teach you how to make jambalaya 

1184
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:22,200
and coconut cake from scratch 
when you're sleepy. 

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,200
She will start humming and rub 
your back while you drift off. 

1186
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:30,500
A song that she used to have the
record of when she was your age.

1187
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:34,300
She remembers how it felt like 
to be you and be young and not 

1188
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:37,900
know the world that good. 
Grandma is a sacred child 

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01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:42,900
herself who just circled the sun
enough times into the ripest of 

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01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:45,900
her crown Hood. 
She wants your life to be 

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01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:51,200
sweeter when you are wiling out 
because your heart is broke or 

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,400
you don't have what you need, 
the grandmas take your hand and 

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,200
lead you to their Gardens. 
You can lay down amongst the 

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01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:06,100
flowers, her grasses, roses 
dahlias irises Lily's car. 

1195
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,900
Collards kale egg plants. 
Like berries. 

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01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:13,600
She wants you to know that you 
are safe and protected. 

1197
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,500
Universal Limitless, sacred 
sensual, the vine and free. 

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01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:24,500
Grandma is the original Warrior 
a while since birth comfortable 

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01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:29,000
and loving fiercely, she has 
fought so that you don't have to

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01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,100
not in the same ways at least. 
So, give the police department 

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01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:36,500
to the Grandma's. 
They're Fearless classy and 

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01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:40,900
actualized blossomed from love. 
They wear what they want and 

1203
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:44,500
they say what they please 
believe that there wouldn't be 

1204
01:14:44,508 --> 01:14:47,800
noise citations been a Grandma's
ride through our streets, 

1205
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:50,600
blasting. 
Stevie Wonder Nina, some Marvin 

1206
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,100
Gaye, Alice Coltrane Jimi 
Hendrix, Karis one, all that 

1207
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:57,600
good music. 
The kids going to hula hoop to 

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01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,500
it. 
And tell her lemonade made from 

1209
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:02,400
heirloom, pink, lemons and maple
syrup. 

1210
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:06,900
The car is solar powered and 
carbon footprint lists the 

1211
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:10,700
Grandma's designed the 
technology themselves at night. 

1212
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:13,700
They park the cars in a circle, 
so all can sit and done with the

1213
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:16,800
sun roofs down. 
And look at the stars. 

1214
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,500
Talk about astrological signs. 
What to plant Tomorrow based on 

1215
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:25,600
the moon's, mood, and help you, 
memorize audre, Lorde and James 

1216
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,700
Baldwin quotes? 
She always. 

1217
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:30,500
Looks you in the eye and 
acknowledges the light in you 

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01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:35,300
with no hesitation or fear and 
Grandma loves you fiercely 

1219
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,400
forever. 
She sees the pain in our 

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,400
bravado, the confusion and our 
anger. 

1221
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,000
The depth behind our coldness, 
Grandma knows what oppression 

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,800
has done to our souls and is 
going to change it. 

1223
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,700
One love I'll at a time she has 
no fear. 

1224
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,700
Thank you so much for listening 
to this episode of embodied 

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01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:05,000
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information about gennady's 

1226
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,100
upcoming workshops. 
Her books book, tours and other 

1227
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:10,400
offerings, please check out the 
show notes. 

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,300
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01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,500
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01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:55,900
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01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:59,700
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