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Hello and welcome to Embodied 
Astrology, a podcast in learning

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community where we explore the 
growing edges of astrology and 

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its intersections with healing 
arts, activism, relationships 

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and personal growth. 
In this week's special episode, 

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we're releasing a segment of one
of our recent workshops, 

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Collective Tides and Self 
Actualization Somatic Skills for

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Saturn and Neptune and Aries, 
which was Co facilitated by 

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myself, Renee Sills with my 
colleague Aziz Bizance, a 

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somatic therapist, cultural 
worker, organizer, performer and

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astrologer. 
We offered this workshop on 

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February 20th, 2026, the day 
that Saturn and Neptune 

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perfected their era defining 
conjunction, the influences of 

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which extends throughout 2026 
and beyond. 

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If you're interested in working 
more deeply with this important 

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astrology, you can access the 
full recording of our workshop 

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or consider joining our new 
monthly series, An Initiation 

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into Spiritual Warriorship, 
facilitated by Aziz, with guest 

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facilitators from Minneapolis, 
Palestine, and other sites of 

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resistance around the world. 
With the support of astrological

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archetypes and stories, this 
series will explore rituals, 

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spells and rites of passage that
support our bodies in rooting 

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into ancestral memory and 
guidance. 

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Cultivating deeper intuitive and
divinatory awareness. 

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Dreaming into and weaving new 
webs and worlds. 

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Sustaining fierce, steadfast and
irresistible revolution. 

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Grounding into protection, 
dispelling curses, and allowing 

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outdated protective structures 
to die so that we may step into 

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the fire of our times with 
conviction and heart centered 

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determination. 
The series begins on Tuesday, 

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March 24th and continues monthly
throughout the year. 

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You can drop in for a single 
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whole series. 
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Find more information in the 
show notes or at 

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embodiedastrology.com. 
Welcome everybody. 

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Thanks for being here, thanks 
for arriving, and thanks to all 

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of those in that that has 
brought you here into this 

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moment of arriving. 
What a blessing and opportunity 

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to be here together today, on 
this day, just minutes now after

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Saturn and Neptune conjoined. 
We've been waiting for it and 

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now it's happened and happening.
The exact moment was about 10 

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minutes ago here. 
We are welcome. 

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If you're new to the embodied 
astrology spaces, my name is 

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Renee or Wren. 
I'm here with Aziz, my Co host 

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today. 
Before we begin, I want to take 

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a moment and just offer a 
digital land acknowledgement, 

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since we are here on the 
Internet and the Internet is 

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also housed in warehouses, in 
big facilities on land, and it 

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lives in our minds and bodies as
well. 

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So let's take a moment to 
consider the legacies of 

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colonization embedded within 
technology and structures and 

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ways of thinking that we're 
using every day. 

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This equipment and Internet that
allows us to gather is not 

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available in many places and to 
many communities. 

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So even these technologies that 
are central to so much of what 

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we are able to make and create 
and how we're able to connect 

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leave significant carbon 
footprints contributing to 

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changing climates that 
disproportionately affect 

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Indigenous people and poor 
people worldwide. 

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And so I want to invite us all 
just to acknowledge this as well

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as our shared responsibility to 
make good use of this time and 

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this opportunity to gather and 
for each of us to consider our 

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roles in reconciliation and 
decolonization and allyship. 

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And I want to offer thanks to 
Adrian Wong for that statement 

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and inspiration to offer that. 
So here we are in one of the 

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embodied astrology Zoom rooms. 
And EA is a Co LED emergent 

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space that centers astrology and
its intersections and 

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applications across many 
modalities, especially those 

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based in embodied, somatic, 
healing, creative and activist 

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practices. 
And we are very much a space 

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that is in evolution into a 
co-authored Co LED space. 

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And in 2026, we are emerging as 
a collective and new 

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practitioner space. 
To learn more about embodied 

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astrology, you can always visit 
our website and definitely sign 

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up for our membership if you 
haven't already and attend our 

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events because they're happening
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Workshops like this weekly chart
reading study groups with 

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today's workshop is actually a 
kick off for a monthly series 

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that Aziz is going to be 
facilitating starting on 

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Tuesdays next month, March 24th.
That's Mars's day and Aziz will 

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be working with Aries and Saturn
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this year and I'm going to pass 
it off to Aziz now. 

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Hey everybody, it's so good to 
see all of you and wow, 

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Minneapolis, MN represent so 
excited that many of you are 

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here and just all of you, yay, 
thank you for coming. 

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You, you may know that 0 Aries 
are the point that Saturn and 

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Neptune are conjoining today is 
the point of the spring equinox,

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right? 
And so it's a natural threshold 

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in terms of how we think about 
the seasons and have things 

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shift and change in our daily 
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So just begin by noticing our 
guides for this practice, Saturn

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and Neptune. 
Begin to feel them as the 

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ancestors that they are for 
supporting us and guiding us 

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through the process and practice
of moving from one life, one 

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expression of an experience 
through a liminal, unknown space

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of transformation and shape 
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undetermined experience. 
A shape that is not yet seen, An

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experience that is not yet 
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And asking that our ancestor 
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limitations and boundaries and 
steadfastness support us with 

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that wisdom. 
Asking about the ancestor 

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Neptune support us with this 
capacity to bring in 

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transformation, pushing beyond 
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not supportive to us, imagining 
futures that break the binaries 

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and the boundaries of what is 
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So as you do that, as you feel 
the presence of these ancestors,

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I invite you to also notice if 
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back, if there is other support 
beneath you and around you. 

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Ancestors of blood and bone, 
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fire, air of culture, creature, 
king, anybody who's here to be 

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with you and support you through
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And as they arrive, or maybe you
call them in, you ask them to be

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with you. 
Notice what it's like to really 

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receive that relationship. 
Receive that connection, that 

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support that kinship. 
So I just wanted to offer last 

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two centuries, little glimpses 
into the previous conjunctions 

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of Saturn and Neptune as you 
take them in, just noticing what

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the signs are, what the times 
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Maybe something's there, maybe 
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So these are some pervading 
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conjunctions. 
And this is a little bit of a 

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distillation from the Astrology 
Podcast episode 483, which is 

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like 9 1/2 hours long. 
It's really epic offering from 

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that crew across time and space.
Saturn, Neptune conjunctions 

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bring recurrent themes forward, 
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ways have to do with endings and
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time. 
And Neptune and Saturn in many 

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ways represent opposing forces. 
Saturn is, as Sheri Taylor, one 

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of our Saturnian guides and 
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Saturn is a guardian of the 
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Embodied existence, earthly 
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And on Earth we experience life 
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identities. 
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there's always change, and 
inside of ongoing change there 

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are multitudes of realities. 
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realities that we are part of 
and made of, there's often a 

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very dreamlike feeling, an 
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And so when Saturn and Neptune 
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have are unrealities becoming 
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to feel very unreal. 
These are times when the strange

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is beyond what we can imagine, 
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These are times that really 
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What could be Neptune is a 
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dreams, and Saturn symbolizes 
formation and implementation and

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integration. 
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building times. 
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over and over and over again 
inside of a human experience and

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inside of an earthly experience.
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built, old worlds are also dying
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sometimes being actively 
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And so the ending and beginning 
of worlds are really important 

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themes inside of Saturn, 
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And then for us and our human 
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families and nationalities, 
etcetera, the concepts of who we

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are go through profound shifts 
of what is real and what is 

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unreal. 
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happens anyway, just being alive
and aging, right? 

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We're always shifting and 
changing and how we conceive of 

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ourselves. 
But living through these periods

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of time really brings home the 
reality that we are not 

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separate, isolated beings 
unaffected by what's happening 

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in the world around us. 
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realities and unrealities morph 
and shift and become 

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increasingly strange and new 
worlds are born and dying, so 

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are we. 
That's happening inside of us in

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the ways that we conceive of who
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So in what is being Offered and 
the Astrology Podcast, for 

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example, there is a lot of focus
on certain themes, particularly 

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Northern Hemisphere, Western 
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Aziz and I wanted to focus in 
places that we felt compelled to

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focus. 
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vast and it is a study of time 
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And so you can take this 
research into any area where you

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might be interested. 
And what we're offering here is 

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a light skimming of a surface, 
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These are just ideas. 
So take what works, leave the 

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rest, get curious about what's 
being presented here, and then 

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bring it into your own inquiry. 
As we contemplated Saturn 

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Neptune conjunctions across 
time, we were compelled by 

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people's uprisings and 
independence movements, anti 

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colonial movements, labor 
movements. 

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Across the Saturn Neptune 
conjunctions and those eras. 

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There are examples of people 
coming together and uniting, 

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often across certain kinds of 
differences that may have been 

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sharp enough in identity 
concepts to keep people apart 

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for a while, but then something 
happens that dissolves those 

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differences enough that people 
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And that's something that we can
feel happening currently inside 

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of accelerating economic 
injustice and wealth imbalance, 

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kind of the billionaire and now 
trillionaire class, like Elon 

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Musk, who's about to become a 
trillionaire, as the majority of

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human beings on Earth don't 
actually have enough resource at

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all. 
It's also something that as the 

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environmental and climate crisis
accelerates, will be and already

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is a very unifying kind of 
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And so it's an equalizer, right?
There's there's a way that 

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Saturn, Neptune conjunctions 
really bring us into experiences

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of being in it together. 
And as we come together, we also

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have increasing power and agency
to take part in ending cycles 

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and ending worlds. 
We can be death doulas of old 

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worlds as well as creators of 
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Across these cycles, 
particularly in the last two 

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centuries, there's also been 
really notable movements of what

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I'm going to say is like gender 
awakening and like progressive 

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orientations towards gender, 
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Before, you know, there was even
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feminism, kind of early suffrage
movements, which in and of 

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themselves take so much from 
civil rights movements, queer 

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rights, gender roles, how we 
Orient towards love, right and 

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orientation have been very big 
themes across Saturn, Neptune 

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conjunctions. 
And so these conjunctions are 

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bringing us to the threshold of 
our identities in many ways. 

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And many of the common recurrent
themes are themes that really 

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filter into identity. 
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colonization or religious 
oppression or people's movements

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and uprisings or things like 
this, it's all landing in our 

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bodies and our bodies are the 
sites for what is happening. 

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And gender based violence and 
oppression of women has been at 

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the root of so many supremacist 
ideologies. 

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And that filters into so many 
examples of the ways that human 

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beings also separate ourselves 
from Earth and and from what we 

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are part of in the more than 
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So these are just some kind of 
general themes. 

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I think a couple things just to 
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there's there's like a dynamic 
unfolding that is part of this 

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It's not clean or necessarily 

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clear. 
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occurring that are like, for 
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dissolution of borders 
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the formation of boundaries of 
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dancing with one another. 
And you might be feeling that in

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your body and your nervous 
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almost like these broadening 

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capacities inside of us to 
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Each, each end of the spectrum, 
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think we're being asked to 
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scenes, what's true, what's not 
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something being destroyed, often
visual means of some kind that 

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will come out of current events 
that will then become a story or

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a mythology of the time. 
So I'm going to give an example 

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of that. 
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Palestine and Gaza because we 
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themes both with what's 
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West Bank, but also we've got a 
number of themes throughout 

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these Saturn Neptune 
conjunctions where Palestine was

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being deeply impacted or where 
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resistance and uprising. 
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too much of the history, but 
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that, you know, Western Power is
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1917, which was kind of part of 
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destruction, and that was during
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in Leo. 
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you know, some of the larger 
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the Ottoman Empire during that 
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And yeah, I mean, I think 
something that's interesting 

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about this is that, you know, 
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like when we think about what it
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game of watching these different
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has been impacted, it's like 
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but rebuilt, right, many times. 
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game in the long history of 
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coincided with the first 
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won't say too much more about 
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notice these links with Saturn 
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I also won't say enough about 
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lot to say about the Berlin Wall
falling in 1989, which was the 

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last time that Saturn and Upto 
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You probably know some of the 
basic stuff about the Berlin 

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Wall falling. 
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like, what was it like? 
You know, what was it like to be

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You know, what did people say? 
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some things that I heard. 
Surreal, you know, big surges of

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hope followed by later the sense
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actually delusion, things like 
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You know, those are some of the 
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I like this example. 
This is Tank man. 

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I don't know if you can see Tank
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He's very small. 
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small, powerful figure that is 
like confronting these tanks 

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during the 1989. 
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Square protests and you know, 
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the creation of culture through 
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mimification or I was saying 
before, like the mythologizing 

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of something. 
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example of something that became
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during that time, just even like
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different people felt about the 
government and about the 

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protests. 
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saying, like people who lived in
China at the time were saying, 

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like this image depicted the 
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it was. 
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depicting the military as less 
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So there was kind of these like 
dissenting perceptions of what 

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this did, but there was kind of 
this full cultural story that 

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was created just from this one 
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So I thought that was cool. 
And I was thinking about it also

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with the way that that connects 
even to to some of what's 

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happening now in terms of this 
one person's bravery against 

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this. 
Like huge, massive machine was 

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really personified in this 
photo. 

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And I think we've got some 
examples of that happening right

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now. 
Renee Goode and Alex Pretty's 

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murders. 
We've had some examples of that,

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like sort of that one like brave
person up against this huge 

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machine, even as we know it's 
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collective of people. 
But what it does to have that 

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representative of somebody who 
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So yeah, just just looking at 
some current expressions of 

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this, which I'm sure you're 
feeling and very aware of, but 

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noticing like since May of 2025 
when this conjunction when 

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Saturn and Neptune both made 
their first ingress into Aries, 

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the budget for ice has severely 
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really making it sort of what 
once was certainly a terrible 

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organization, really into like a
full blown terrorist 

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organization. 
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quality of that being like, 
totally delusional and 

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unchecked, which could be 
expressions of Neptune and 

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Saturn. 
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I mean, I think some things that
I've felt, I don't know, a lot 

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of, you know, some of you are 
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Minneapolis. 
I live in South Minneapolis, one

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of the places heavily impacted 
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it's sort of this just a much 

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more deeply woven 
decentralization of resistance 

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against authoritarianism. 
And so that is like happening in

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my neighborhood every day. 
It's very clear. 

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I feel it in my body. 
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different ways. 
And that's probable. 

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There's a lot more to say, but I
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Cease. 
Do you mind if I make some 

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things in regards to the photo 
of Tank Man and then kind of 

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what, please? 
Yeah. 

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What's coming in, in general in 
these themes and definitely now 

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construction of reality is, you 
know, something that's really 

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pervasive with Saturn, Neptune 
themes. 

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So Saturn, keyword construction,
unreality or unreality, you 

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know, what we perceive to be 
real. 

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And Neptune, when you kind of 
study astrological cycles and 

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generational cycles of the outer
planets, Neptune has ages, you 

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know, of particular types of 
music or film or arts or 

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aesthetic and how culture is 
being shaped by imagery. 

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And so this piece that Aziz 
brought in, right, like the 

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mythologizing of something that 
happens with a single image. 

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And I'm sure that everybody here
can recall certain images that 

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have just like, stuck in your 
mind probably for your whole 

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life at some point. 
You saw them somewhere, right? 

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And I'm thinking about, I think 
it was in in 2020, after George 

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Floyd was murdered, there was a 
similar image, and I don't 

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remember her name, a young black
woman in a beautiful dress 

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holding a flower, you know, to 
the this row of just like 

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heavily armed militarized police
and like full riot gear. 

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And like these kinds of images 
that get into our hearts and 

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souls and spirits. 
And like what Aziz is talking 

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about, like they represent the 
possibility of an individual to 

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encapsulate a collective 
movement. 

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And then they inspire us to 
become part of those movements 

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is really important. 
And the flip side of that is 

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propaganda, right? 
And like the way that imagery 

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and ideas and language are used 
to control us and, and control a

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narrative or to manipulate and 
distort ideas of, of what's 

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happening. 
And this is also very much 

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happening in the suppression of 
particular types of images, 

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right? 
This tiny child like throwing a 

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rock at a tank. 
Amazing. 

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And, and you can feel it like 
viscerally, like when I look at 

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that image in my entire body, 
just like has this surge of, of 

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energy and love and compassion, 
I feel so moved, right? 

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And so this kind of construction
of reality through what's 

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possible with images and ideas 
and arts at these times, like 

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poetry, anthem, novels that come
out, films that come out, 

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etcetera. 
You know, it's worth noting that

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even in this time of really 
intense escalating violence and 

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fascism, we had the Super Bowl 
halftime show that we did with 

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Bad Bunny and all these artists 
at the Grammys were saying fuck 

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ice. 
I mean, that's, that's really 

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notable that that's happening 
inside of culture. 

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I wanted to invite us to feel 
and think into some of the key 

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dates and timing for what is 
coming and what is in this 

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liminal and in this transition 
and, and cycle that we're in 

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with Saturn and Neptune. 
And so again, take what works, 

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leave the rest. 
What I'm offering here is just 

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like feelings. 
It's just sensations and it's 

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also coming through my own 
consciousness. 

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So Saturn and Neptune really 
started their conjunction in 

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2023 in some ways, when Saturn 
first entered Pisces and they 

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began to be Co present in the 
same sign. 

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But as of February 2025, they 
were within a 10° orb of one 

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another. 
For astrologers, 10° is a pretty

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significant orb of influence and
that's when you really start to 

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feel something happening. 
There was a little touch into a 

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10° orb in 2024 as well. 
It was only for about a month, 

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but maybe we think of this as 
the last, you know, year to 2 

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1/2 years or so that we've been 
in. 

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What I'm going to say is phase 
one of the Saturn Neptune 

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conjunction and this is 
disillusion moving to the 

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threshold. 
Pisces is the last sign of the 

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Zodiac and Pisces and Neptune 
are actually very resonant with 

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each other symbolically and 
energetically. 

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Neptune is considered to be a 
quote UN quote modern planet, a 

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transpersonal planet. 
It's discovery happened 

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millennia after the visible 
planets had been worked with in 

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classical and traditional 
astrology for for that long. 

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And so the meaning that we're 
making out of Neptune 

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accompanies modernity in some 
ways, Neptune and Pisces, and 

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I'll say Jupiter is the 
traditional ruler of Pisces. 

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But Neptune and Pisces both 
share associations with the 

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unconscious and like ideas of 
the unconscious as well as 

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psychic and intuitive and 
etheric or energetic realms. 

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And so as Saturn comes with an 
orb of Neptune, this kind of 

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like psychic plane, etheric 
plane or energetic plane starts 

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to really resonate and hum with 
the completion of a major cycle.

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They are coming together now in 
the very last sign of the 

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Zodiac. 
Saturn is commonly associated 

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with aging and and be an 
oldness. 

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And so in 2025, there was a 
critical moment when Saturn 

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entered Pisces, when the debate 
happened between Biden and 

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Trump, where it really became 
obvious that Biden was too old 

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to hold that position anymore. 
And so there is this kind of 

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feeling of the institutions, the
government, the leaders, the 

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ideas or the ideologies that 
we're working with being old, 

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being too old, and they're no 
longer viable. 

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And they are full of weaknesses.
And in those weaknesses, cracks 

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begin to emerge. 
And then what comes through the 

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cracks is a kind of chaos. 
But chaos is very creative and 

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chaos is also very cathartic. 
And so in the blurring, there's 

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all this new energy that can 
start to emerge. 

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And uprisings are emerging and 
grief is emerging and a sense of

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confusion is emerging. 
And then in March and May, 

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they're the first entries last 
year of Neptune and Saturn into 

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Aries. 
So both of them just made it 

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into the 1st 2° of the sign. 
They both stationed retrograde 

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in July. 
They both moved back into Pisces

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by the end of the year. 
But there's this kind of 

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intensification then as Saturn 
and Neptune move out of the last

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sign of the Zodiac and into the 
1st that brings the state of 

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dissolve into a more catalytic 
kind of force. 

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And this is Aries. 
And so the, the pressure of the 

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dissolve and the structural 
failures really begins to land 

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on and in bodies. 
Things are falling apart. 

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People are losing access to 
resources, they're losing their 

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housing, they're losing their 
medical support. 

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All these systems are, are 
falling away. 

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And there's a lot of panic and, 
and like fear, but motivation 

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also and ideas of, you know, I 
think many of us, and I say us 

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kind of including a very large 
swath of, of like potential 

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perspectives have known that 
this ending is coming for a 

455
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really long time. 
And so we might have our own 

456
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320
ideas about what else can 
happen, right? 

457
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320
And the technocrats have their 
ideas and the progressives have 

458
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720
their ideas and the queers have 
our ideas or whatever 

459
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,760
astrologers have certain ideas. 
But there is this kind of moment

460
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,400
also of opportunity. 
And so the do something urgency 

461
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,680
that in many ways has been 
accelerating, I'm going to say 

462
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,080
for the last decade, definitely 
the last five or six years since

463
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,440
2020. 
And the Saturn Pluto conjunction

464
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,320
that happened then in Capricorn 
is reaching this critical 

465
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,040
threshold. 
And there is an increased sense 

466
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,600
of readiness also to meet the 
moment, in part because of the 

467
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320
disillusion that's been 
happening. 

468
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,080
So people are experiencing 
breakdown and confusion and 

469
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
grief. 
And that is creating the 

470
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,680
circumstances that requires 
looking for alternatives or 

471
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,520
learning or reaching out into 
community. 

472
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,520
The The state of confusion is 
profoundly productive in a lot 

473
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440
of ways because it opens people 
up to new potentials. 

474
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:09,120
And there are many communities 
that have lived through the 

475
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,760
brutal forces of not just 
Saturn, Neptune conjunctions, 

476
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,760
but many astrological 
conjunctions or aspects in ways 

477
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,760
that, you know, brought the 
force of oppression in the state

478
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
directly into them that have 
been developing resilient 

479
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,160
strategies for a very long time.
There are many worlds that have 

480
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,160
already ended and also 
regenerated and found new 

481
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,240
iterations. 
And so there are visionaries 

482
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
amongst us. 
There are doulas here and now 

483
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,840
who are also guiding this time. 
And so as there's dissolution 

484
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,320
and breakdown, there's also a 
kind of tidal flow of what has 

485
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,480
already happened meeting what 
has yet to come. 

486
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,640
OK, so phase one, we are really 
in it right now, dissolution and

487
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,200
threshold. 
So from January 26th of 2026 

488
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,280
through February 13th of 2026, 
Neptune and Saturn were entering

489
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Aries again. 
And now they'll stay in Aries 

490
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,520
and they're not going to 
retrograde back into Pisces. 

491
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,800
And so, so over the course of 
the last three weeks or so, 

492
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
little more than three weeks, 
this exact conjunction at the 

493
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
very first degree of Aries has 
been strongly applying. 

494
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,920
And we are right now in the 
portal moment and the end of an 

495
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,080
old world is happening as the 
birth of a new world is 

496
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440
happening. 
The historical precedents are 

497
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,200
here of boundary collapse and 
emergence of these kind of new 

498
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
orders and new ideas and beliefs
of what is possible. 

499
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,720
And it is also very embodied and
it's energetic. 

500
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,640
And so I want to invite 
everybody, everybody to kind of 

501
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840
like TuneIn and remember some of
the themes that have come 

502
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720
through, as well as your own 
sense of being at a threshold 

503
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,560
and maybe some of the qualities 
and textures of where Aries is 

504
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,880
in your chart. 
And allow yourself to kind of 

505
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,280
resonate with what intuitions 
and impulses have been emerging 

506
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,080
for you and where you may have 
started to feel reactive or the 

507
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,160
need to differentiate. 
There are ways where your 

508
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,920
identity may have been 
dissolving and also making 

509
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,720
itself known in new and 
different ways. 

510
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,800
As certain aspects of identity 
fall away, other aspects of what

511
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,440
might be more actually real and 
essential to our essence can 

512
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,720
come forwards. 
I also want to invite you to 

513
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,640
tune in with somatic resilience.
And this means breath presence, 

514
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,680
being in the here and the now, 
and trusting your body as earth,

515
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,320
as universal intelligence to 
know how to change and know how 

516
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
to adapt. 
I also want to encourage you to 

517
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,320
feel into the places and 
circumstances where you're not 

518
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,000
into it anymore. 
Strategic withdrawal is very 

519
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,640
much a part of what we're going 
through right now, and the 

520
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,400
clarity and willingness that you
have to say no and to let things

521
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,720
go is medicine for this time. 
Even though at certain times it 

522
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,200
might not make sense or it might
feel somehow counter to what 

523
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,679
your mind or community or family
or boss or society is telling 

524
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,360
you. 
Freedom is a praxis. 

525
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,480
It's something that we can learn
about, that we can study through

526
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080
freedom movements. 
It's also something that we need

527
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,120
to embody and really Orient 
ourselves to again and again. 

528
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,840
And freedom is not being able to
do whatever we want to do 

529
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,360
whenever, however we want to do,
however we want to do to whoever

530
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,840
we want to do it to. 
That is tyranny. 

531
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,320
Freedom only exists for human 
beings inside of interconnection

532
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
and interdependency and our 
embeddedness. 

533
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,360
And So what that means then is 
we have freedom of choice. 

534
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,000
And inside of freedom of choice 
we have to be conscious. 

535
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600
In order to really choose, we 
have to be conscious. 

536
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,159
Unconsciousness is the opposite 
of freedom. 

537
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,360
That's us being in our 
programming. 

538
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,840
And so being able to wake up in 
a moment and recognize our 

539
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,440
choice is also our adaptive 
courage. 

540
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,440
Now we are in the portal moment.
Now today is the day Saturn and 

541
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Neptune are conjunct at the very
first degree of Aries and over 

542
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,960
the course of the next two 
months or so as we move towards 

543
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,720
the vernal equinox, towards 
Aries season, the Sun, Mercury, 

544
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,800
Venus and and Mars will all 
cross the conjunction point and 

545
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,960
this is like your ignition 
switch. 

546
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:33,560
So Venus moves into Aries on 
March 6th, and Venus is all 

547
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,440
about our bodies and our sensory
intelligences and what we value 

548
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,920
and what we're resourced by. 
So what we do with our money, 

549
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,640
what we do with our time, what 
we do with our labor, our bodily

550
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,320
sovereignty, our aesthetics, our
art, etcetera. 

551
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,880
The Sun moves into Aries on 
March 20th. 

552
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,440
That's the day of the vernal 
equinox. 

553
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600
The Sun is consciousness, it's 
life force, it's energy. 

554
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,760
Mars moves into Aries April 9th.
Mars is all about action, 

555
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,680
mobilization, confrontation, 
getting ready, coming to the 

556
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,440
battle. 
And then Mercury moves into 

557
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,880
areas on April 14th. 
And Mercury is consciousness and

558
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,400
cognition. 
So the internal and external 

559
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,640
voices, our narratives, our 
thoughts, but then also how 

560
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,680
thoughts become reality through 
conversation and what we amplify

561
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,920
and what we choose to learn and 
how we spread each other's 

562
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,000
messages. 
So from now through the middle 

563
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,640
of April, these preparation 
themes are are themes to be 

564
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,600
working with and themes to be 
bringing into your everyday 

565
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,280
however they might make sense 
for you.

