Hello and welcome to Embodied Astrology, a podcast in learning
community where we explore the growing edges of astrology and
its intersections with healing arts, activism, relationships
and personal growth. In this week's special episode,
we're releasing a segment of one of our recent workshops,
Collective Tides and Self Actualization Somatic Skills for
Saturn and Neptune and Aries, which was Co facilitated by
myself, Renee Sills with my colleague Aziz Bizance, a
somatic therapist, cultural worker, organizer, performer and
astrologer. We offered this workshop on
February 20th, 2026, the day that Saturn and Neptune
perfected their era defining conjunction, the influences of
which extends throughout 2026 and beyond.
If you're interested in working more deeply with this important
astrology, you can access the full recording of our workshop
or consider joining our new monthly series, An Initiation
into Spiritual Warriorship, facilitated by Aziz, with guest
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resistance around the world. With the support of astrological
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Cultivating deeper intuitive and divinatory awareness.
Dreaming into and weaving new webs and worlds.
Sustaining fierce, steadfast and irresistible revolution.
Grounding into protection, dispelling curses, and allowing
outdated protective structures to die so that we may step into
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embodiedastrology.com. Welcome everybody.
Thanks for being here, thanks for arriving, and thanks to all
of those in that that has brought you here into this
moment of arriving. What a blessing and opportunity
to be here together today, on this day, just minutes now after
Saturn and Neptune conjoined. We've been waiting for it and
now it's happened and happening. The exact moment was about 10
minutes ago here. We are welcome.
If you're new to the embodied astrology spaces, my name is
Renee or Wren. I'm here with Aziz, my Co host
today. Before we begin, I want to take
a moment and just offer a digital land acknowledgement,
since we are here on the Internet and the Internet is
also housed in warehouses, in big facilities on land, and it
lives in our minds and bodies as well.
So let's take a moment to consider the legacies of
colonization embedded within technology and structures and
ways of thinking that we're using every day.
This equipment and Internet that allows us to gather is not
available in many places and to many communities.
So even these technologies that are central to so much of what
we are able to make and create and how we're able to connect
leave significant carbon footprints contributing to
changing climates that disproportionately affect
Indigenous people and poor people worldwide.
And so I want to invite us all just to acknowledge this as well
as our shared responsibility to make good use of this time and
this opportunity to gather and for each of us to consider our
roles in reconciliation and decolonization and allyship.
And I want to offer thanks to Adrian Wong for that statement
and inspiration to offer that. So here we are in one of the
embodied astrology Zoom rooms. And EA is a Co LED emergent
space that centers astrology and its intersections and
applications across many modalities, especially those
based in embodied, somatic, healing, creative and activist
practices. And we are very much a space
that is in evolution into a co-authored Co LED space.
And in 2026, we are emerging as a collective and new
practitioner space. To learn more about embodied
astrology, you can always visit our website and definitely sign
up for our membership if you haven't already and attend our
events because they're happening all the time.
Workshops like this weekly chart reading study groups with
today's workshop is actually a kick off for a monthly series
that Aziz is going to be facilitating starting on
Tuesdays next month, March 24th. That's Mars's day and Aziz will
be working with Aries and Saturn and Neptune and Aries throughout
this year and I'm going to pass it off to Aziz now.
Hey everybody, it's so good to see all of you and wow,
Minneapolis, MN represent so excited that many of you are
here and just all of you, yay, thank you for coming.
You, you may know that 0 Aries are the point that Saturn and
Neptune are conjoining today is the point of the spring equinox,
right? And so it's a natural threshold
in terms of how we think about the seasons and have things
shift and change in our daily lives.
So just begin by noticing our guides for this practice, Saturn
and Neptune. Begin to feel them as the
ancestors that they are for supporting us and guiding us
through the process and practice of moving from one life, one
expression of an experience through a liminal, unknown space
of transformation and shape shifting to an unknown,
undetermined experience. A shape that is not yet seen, An
experience that is not yet known.
And asking that our ancestor Saturn is the holder of
limitations and boundaries and steadfastness support us with
that wisdom. Asking about the ancestor
Neptune support us with this capacity to bring in
transformation, pushing beyond boundaries and borders that are
not supportive to us, imagining futures that break the binaries
and the boundaries of what is possible.
So as you do that, as you feel the presence of these ancestors,
I invite you to also notice if there is other support at your
back, if there is other support beneath you and around you.
Ancestors of blood and bone, elemental kin, water, earth,
fire, air of culture, creature, king, anybody who's here to be
with you and support you through this transition.
And as they arrive, or maybe you call them in, you ask them to be
with you. Notice what it's like to really
receive that relationship. Receive that connection, that
support that kinship. So I just wanted to offer last
two centuries, little glimpses into the previous conjunctions
of Saturn and Neptune as you take them in, just noticing what
the signs are, what the times are and what comes up for you.
Maybe something's there, maybe not.
So these are some pervading themes across Saturn, Neptune,
conjunctions. And this is a little bit of a
distillation from the Astrology Podcast episode 483, which is
like 9 1/2 hours long. It's really epic offering from
that crew across time and space. Saturn, Neptune conjunctions
bring recurrent themes forward, and these themes in a lot of
ways have to do with endings and beginnings happening at the same
time. And Neptune and Saturn in many
ways represent opposing forces. Saturn is, as Sheri Taylor, one
of our Saturnian guides and embodied astrology says.
Saturn is a guardian of the birth chart itself.
Embodied existence, earthly existence.
And on Earth we experience life through form, our bodies, our
identities. Inside of earthly existence
there's always change, and inside of ongoing change there
are multitudes of realities. And inside of the multitudinous
realities that we are part of and made of, there's often a
very dreamlike feeling, an unreality that pervades reality.
And so when Saturn and Neptune come together, often what we
have are unrealities becoming more real and reality starting
to feel very unreal. These are times when the strange
is beyond what we can imagine, stranger than strange.
These are times that really stretch our conception.
What could be Neptune is a symbol of imagination and
dreams, and Saturn symbolizes formation and implementation and
integration. And so these are also world
building times. And new worlds have been built
over and over and over again inside of a human experience and
inside of an earthly experience. And when new worlds are being
built, old worlds are also dying and being dissolved and
sometimes being actively eradicated.
And so the ending and beginning of worlds are really important
themes inside of Saturn, Neptune, conjunctions.
And then for us and our human bodies and our identities and
families and nationalities, etcetera, the concepts of who we
are go through profound shifts of what is real and what is
unreal. And this is something that
happens anyway, just being alive and aging, right?
We're always shifting and changing and how we conceive of
ourselves. But living through these periods
of time really brings home the reality that we are not
separate, isolated beings unaffected by what's happening
in the world around us. And so as the collective
realities and unrealities morph and shift and become
increasingly strange and new worlds are born and dying, so
are we. That's happening inside of us in
the ways that we conceive of who we are and who we get to be.
So in what is being Offered and the Astrology Podcast, for
example, there is a lot of focus on certain themes, particularly
Northern Hemisphere, Western themes.
Aziz and I wanted to focus in places that we felt compelled to
focus. And astrology, of course, is
vast and it is a study of time and cycles.
And so you can take this research into any area where you
might be interested. And what we're offering here is
a light skimming of a surface, right?
These are just ideas. So take what works, leave the
rest, get curious about what's being presented here, and then
bring it into your own inquiry. As we contemplated Saturn
Neptune conjunctions across time, we were compelled by
people's uprisings and independence movements, anti
colonial movements, labor movements.
Across the Saturn Neptune conjunctions and those eras.
There are examples of people coming together and uniting,
often across certain kinds of differences that may have been
sharp enough in identity concepts to keep people apart
for a while, but then something happens that dissolves those
differences enough that people feel a unity.
And that's something that we can feel happening currently inside
of accelerating economic injustice and wealth imbalance,
kind of the billionaire and now trillionaire class, like Elon
Musk, who's about to become a trillionaire, as the majority of
human beings on Earth don't actually have enough resource at
all. It's also something that as the
environmental and climate crisis accelerates, will be and already
is a very unifying kind of thing.
And so it's an equalizer, right? There's there's a way that
Saturn, Neptune conjunctions really bring us into experiences
of being in it together. And as we come together, we also
have increasing power and agency to take part in ending cycles
and ending worlds. We can be death doulas of old
worlds as well as creators of new worlds.
Across these cycles, particularly in the last two
centuries, there's also been really notable movements of what
I'm going to say is like gender awakening and like progressive
orientations towards gender, including women's rights.
Before, you know, there was even a concept of feminism, proto
feminism, kind of early suffrage movements, which in and of
themselves take so much from civil rights movements, queer
rights, gender roles, how we Orient towards love, right and
orientation have been very big themes across Saturn, Neptune
conjunctions. And so these conjunctions are
bringing us to the threshold of our identities in many ways.
And many of the common recurrent themes are themes that really
filter into identity. So whether it's like
colonization or religious oppression or people's movements
and uprisings or things like this, it's all landing in our
bodies and our bodies are the sites for what is happening.
And gender based violence and oppression of women has been at
the root of so many supremacist ideologies.
And that filters into so many examples of the ways that human
beings also separate ourselves from Earth and and from what we
are part of in the more than human realms.
So these are just some kind of general themes.
I think a couple things just to say are these conjunctions are
there's there's like a dynamic unfolding that is part of this
process. It's not clean or necessarily
clear. And there may be things
occurring that are like, for example, we've got the
dissolution of borders occurring, but we've also got
the formation of boundaries of borders, right?
And so we've got these seemingly opposite experiences that are
dancing with one another. And you might be feeling that in
your body and your nervous system through this.
Like you might be noticing almost like these broadening
capacities inside of us to experience more, right?
Each, each end of the spectrum, like just kind of widens when I
think we're being asked to grapple with like some of these
scenes, what's true, what's not true, something being created,
something being destroyed, often visual means of some kind that
will come out of current events that will then become a story or
a mythology of the time. So I'm going to give an example
of that. So I, I wanted to focus on
Palestine and Gaza because we have a lot of intersecting
themes both with what's happening now in Gaza and the
West Bank, but also we've got a number of themes throughout
these Saturn Neptune conjunctions where Palestine was
being deeply impacted or where there was stronger levels of
resistance and uprising. So, you know, I won't go into
too much of the history, but basically not the first time
that, you know, Western Power is attempted to destroy Gazo was in
1917, which was kind of part of a larger World War One effort.
And during that time, there was an immense amount of
destruction, and that was during the Saturn, Neptune conjunction
in Leo. This basically set in motion,
you know, some of the larger dissolution of what was known as
the Ottoman Empire during that time.
And yeah, I mean, I think something that's interesting
about this is that, you know, and I've heard others say it's
like when we think about what it means to be like in the long
game of watching these different points in history, when a place
has been impacted, it's like Gaza has been nearly destroyed
but rebuilt, right, many times. And so we think about the long
game in the long history of that.
Additionally, the 1987 to 93 Saturn Neptune conjunction
coincided with the first Intifada in Palestine, so I
won't say too much more about that, but just inviting you to
notice these links with Saturn and Upto and Palestine.
I also won't say enough about any of these because there's a
lot to say about the Berlin Wall falling in 1989, which was the
last time that Saturn and Upto were conjunct.
You probably know some of the basic stuff about the Berlin
Wall falling. I asked some friends of mine
like, what was it like? You know, what was it like to be
there? What, what did it feel like?
Because like, what did the bodies say?
You know, what did people say? And, you know, these are just
some things that I heard. Surreal, you know, big surges of
hope followed by later the sense that a lot of that hope was
actually delusion, things like that.
You know, those are some of the things that I heard.
I like this example. This is Tank man.
I don't know if you can see Tank man.
He's very small. And he's meant to look like a
small, powerful figure that is like confronting these tanks
during the 1989. So this same New York Tiananmen
Square protests and you know, Neptune can sometimes be about
the creation of culture through image, even like the
mimification or I was saying before, like the mythologizing
of something. And this is a, this is an
example of something that became very mythologized in the culture
during that time, just even like the rhetoric around how
different people felt about the government and about the
protests. For example, some people were
saying, like people who lived in China at the time were saying,
like this image depicted the military as more powerful than
it was. And others would say it was
depicting the military as less powerful than it was.
So there was kind of these like dissenting perceptions of what
this did, but there was kind of this full cultural story that
was created just from this one image.
So I thought that was cool. And I was thinking about it also
with the way that that connects even to to some of what's
happening now in terms of this one person's bravery against
this. Like huge, massive machine was
really personified in this photo.
And I think we've got some examples of that happening right
now. Renee Goode and Alex Pretty's
murders. We've had some examples of that,
like sort of that one like brave person up against this huge
machine, even as we know it's not one person, it's a huge
collective of people. But what it does to have that
representative of somebody who did something really powerful.
So yeah, just just looking at some current expressions of
this, which I'm sure you're feeling and very aware of, but
noticing like since May of 2025 when this conjunction when
Saturn and Neptune both made their first ingress into Aries,
the budget for ice has severely increased since that time,
really making it sort of what once was certainly a terrible
organization, really into like a full blown terrorist
organization. And just obviously, we know the
quality of that being like, totally delusional and
unchecked, which could be expressions of Neptune and
Saturn. Yeah.
I mean, I think some things that I've felt, I don't know, a lot
of, you know, some of you are here with me, but I live in
Minneapolis. I live in South Minneapolis, one
of the places heavily impacted by the current occupation.
And I've also noticed, you know, it's sort of this just a much
more deeply woven decentralization of resistance
against authoritarianism. And so that is like happening in
my neighborhood every day. It's very clear.
I feel it in my body. All my neighbors feel it in
different ways. And that's probable.
There's a lot more to say, but I think I'm gonna gonna end there.
Cease. Do you mind if I make some
things in regards to the photo of Tank Man and then kind of
what, please? Yeah.
What's coming in, in general in these themes and definitely now
construction of reality is, you know, something that's really
pervasive with Saturn, Neptune themes.
So Saturn, keyword construction, unreality or unreality, you
know, what we perceive to be real.
And Neptune, when you kind of study astrological cycles and
generational cycles of the outer planets, Neptune has ages, you
know, of particular types of music or film or arts or
aesthetic and how culture is being shaped by imagery.
And so this piece that Aziz brought in, right, like the
mythologizing of something that happens with a single image.
And I'm sure that everybody here can recall certain images that
have just like, stuck in your mind probably for your whole
life at some point. You saw them somewhere, right?
And I'm thinking about, I think it was in in 2020, after George
Floyd was murdered, there was a similar image, and I don't
remember her name, a young black woman in a beautiful dress
holding a flower, you know, to the this row of just like
heavily armed militarized police and like full riot gear.
And like these kinds of images that get into our hearts and
souls and spirits. And like what Aziz is talking
about, like they represent the possibility of an individual to
encapsulate a collective movement.
And then they inspire us to become part of those movements
is really important. And the flip side of that is
propaganda, right? And like the way that imagery
and ideas and language are used to control us and, and control a
narrative or to manipulate and distort ideas of, of what's
happening. And this is also very much
happening in the suppression of particular types of images,
right? This tiny child like throwing a
rock at a tank. Amazing.
And, and you can feel it like viscerally, like when I look at
that image in my entire body, just like has this surge of, of
energy and love and compassion, I feel so moved, right?
And so this kind of construction of reality through what's
possible with images and ideas and arts at these times, like
poetry, anthem, novels that come out, films that come out,
etcetera. You know, it's worth noting that
even in this time of really intense escalating violence and
fascism, we had the Super Bowl halftime show that we did with
Bad Bunny and all these artists at the Grammys were saying fuck
ice. I mean, that's, that's really
notable that that's happening inside of culture.
I wanted to invite us to feel and think into some of the key
dates and timing for what is coming and what is in this
liminal and in this transition and, and cycle that we're in
with Saturn and Neptune. And so again, take what works,
leave the rest. What I'm offering here is just
like feelings. It's just sensations and it's
also coming through my own consciousness.
So Saturn and Neptune really started their conjunction in
2023 in some ways, when Saturn first entered Pisces and they
began to be Co present in the same sign.
But as of February 2025, they were within a 10° orb of one
another. For astrologers, 10° is a pretty
significant orb of influence and that's when you really start to
feel something happening. There was a little touch into a
10° orb in 2024 as well. It was only for about a month,
but maybe we think of this as the last, you know, year to 2
1/2 years or so that we've been in.
What I'm going to say is phase one of the Saturn Neptune
conjunction and this is disillusion moving to the
threshold. Pisces is the last sign of the
Zodiac and Pisces and Neptune are actually very resonant with
each other symbolically and energetically.
Neptune is considered to be a quote UN quote modern planet, a
transpersonal planet. It's discovery happened
millennia after the visible planets had been worked with in
classical and traditional astrology for for that long.
And so the meaning that we're making out of Neptune
accompanies modernity in some ways, Neptune and Pisces, and
I'll say Jupiter is the traditional ruler of Pisces.
But Neptune and Pisces both share associations with the
unconscious and like ideas of the unconscious as well as
psychic and intuitive and etheric or energetic realms.
And so as Saturn comes with an orb of Neptune, this kind of
like psychic plane, etheric plane or energetic plane starts
to really resonate and hum with the completion of a major cycle.
They are coming together now in the very last sign of the
Zodiac. Saturn is commonly associated
with aging and and be an oldness.
And so in 2025, there was a critical moment when Saturn
entered Pisces, when the debate happened between Biden and
Trump, where it really became obvious that Biden was too old
to hold that position anymore. And so there is this kind of
feeling of the institutions, the government, the leaders, the
ideas or the ideologies that we're working with being old,
being too old, and they're no longer viable.
And they are full of weaknesses. And in those weaknesses, cracks
begin to emerge. And then what comes through the
cracks is a kind of chaos. But chaos is very creative and
chaos is also very cathartic. And so in the blurring, there's
all this new energy that can start to emerge.
And uprisings are emerging and grief is emerging and a sense of
confusion is emerging. And then in March and May,
they're the first entries last year of Neptune and Saturn into
Aries. So both of them just made it
into the 1st 2° of the sign. They both stationed retrograde
in July. They both moved back into Pisces
by the end of the year. But there's this kind of
intensification then as Saturn and Neptune move out of the last
sign of the Zodiac and into the 1st that brings the state of
dissolve into a more catalytic kind of force.
And this is Aries. And so the, the pressure of the
dissolve and the structural failures really begins to land
on and in bodies. Things are falling apart.
People are losing access to resources, they're losing their
housing, they're losing their medical support.
All these systems are, are falling away.
And there's a lot of panic and, and like fear, but motivation
also and ideas of, you know, I think many of us, and I say us
kind of including a very large swath of, of like potential
perspectives have known that this ending is coming for a
really long time. And so we might have our own
ideas about what else can happen, right?
And the technocrats have their ideas and the progressives have
their ideas and the queers have our ideas or whatever
astrologers have certain ideas. But there is this kind of moment
also of opportunity. And so the do something urgency
that in many ways has been accelerating, I'm going to say
for the last decade, definitely the last five or six years since
2020. And the Saturn Pluto conjunction
that happened then in Capricorn is reaching this critical
threshold. And there is an increased sense
of readiness also to meet the moment, in part because of the
disillusion that's been happening.
So people are experiencing breakdown and confusion and
grief. And that is creating the
circumstances that requires looking for alternatives or
learning or reaching out into community.
The The state of confusion is profoundly productive in a lot
of ways because it opens people up to new potentials.
And there are many communities that have lived through the
brutal forces of not just Saturn, Neptune conjunctions,
but many astrological conjunctions or aspects in ways
that, you know, brought the force of oppression in the state
directly into them that have been developing resilient
strategies for a very long time. There are many worlds that have
already ended and also regenerated and found new
iterations. And so there are visionaries
amongst us. There are doulas here and now
who are also guiding this time. And so as there's dissolution
and breakdown, there's also a kind of tidal flow of what has
already happened meeting what has yet to come.
OK, so phase one, we are really in it right now, dissolution and
threshold. So from January 26th of 2026
through February 13th of 2026, Neptune and Saturn were entering
Aries again. And now they'll stay in Aries
and they're not going to retrograde back into Pisces.
And so, so over the course of the last three weeks or so,
little more than three weeks, this exact conjunction at the
very first degree of Aries has been strongly applying.
And we are right now in the portal moment and the end of an
old world is happening as the birth of a new world is
happening. The historical precedents are
here of boundary collapse and emergence of these kind of new
orders and new ideas and beliefs of what is possible.
And it is also very embodied and it's energetic.
And so I want to invite everybody, everybody to kind of
like TuneIn and remember some of the themes that have come
through, as well as your own sense of being at a threshold
and maybe some of the qualities and textures of where Aries is
in your chart. And allow yourself to kind of
resonate with what intuitions and impulses have been emerging
for you and where you may have started to feel reactive or the
need to differentiate. There are ways where your
identity may have been dissolving and also making
itself known in new and different ways.
As certain aspects of identity fall away, other aspects of what
might be more actually real and essential to our essence can
come forwards. I also want to invite you to
tune in with somatic resilience. And this means breath presence,
being in the here and the now, and trusting your body as earth,
as universal intelligence to know how to change and know how
to adapt. I also want to encourage you to
feel into the places and circumstances where you're not
into it anymore. Strategic withdrawal is very
much a part of what we're going through right now, and the
clarity and willingness that you have to say no and to let things
go is medicine for this time. Even though at certain times it
might not make sense or it might feel somehow counter to what
your mind or community or family or boss or society is telling
you. Freedom is a praxis.
It's something that we can learn about, that we can study through
freedom movements. It's also something that we need
to embody and really Orient ourselves to again and again.
And freedom is not being able to do whatever we want to do
whenever, however we want to do, however we want to do to whoever
we want to do it to. That is tyranny.
Freedom only exists for human beings inside of interconnection
and interdependency and our embeddedness.
And So what that means then is we have freedom of choice.
And inside of freedom of choice we have to be conscious.
In order to really choose, we have to be conscious.
Unconsciousness is the opposite of freedom.
That's us being in our programming.
And so being able to wake up in a moment and recognize our
choice is also our adaptive courage.
Now we are in the portal moment. Now today is the day Saturn and
Neptune are conjunct at the very first degree of Aries and over
the course of the next two months or so as we move towards
the vernal equinox, towards Aries season, the Sun, Mercury,
Venus and and Mars will all cross the conjunction point and
this is like your ignition switch.
So Venus moves into Aries on March 6th, and Venus is all
about our bodies and our sensory intelligences and what we value
and what we're resourced by. So what we do with our money,
what we do with our time, what we do with our labor, our bodily
sovereignty, our aesthetics, our art, etcetera.
The Sun moves into Aries on March 20th.
That's the day of the vernal equinox.
The Sun is consciousness, it's life force, it's energy.
Mars moves into Aries April 9th. Mars is all about action,
mobilization, confrontation, getting ready, coming to the
battle. And then Mercury moves into
areas on April 14th. And Mercury is consciousness and
cognition. So the internal and external
voices, our narratives, our thoughts, but then also how
thoughts become reality through conversation and what we amplify
and what we choose to learn and how we spread each other's
messages. So from now through the middle
of April, these preparation themes are are themes to be
working with and themes to be bringing into your everyday
however they might make sense for you.