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Welcome to Judaism Demystified, 
a podcast for the perplexed. 

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Join us as we explore some of 
the most fascinating Jewish and 

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Torah related topics with our 
esteemed guests. 

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By tackling some of the biggest 
questions you likely won't find 

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addressed elsewhere, we aim to 
shed light on important issues 

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and inspire a return to the 
fundamentals. 

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Enjoy the show. 
Thank you for joining the 

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Judaism Demystified podcast. 
We are honored to have AMI 

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Kozak, comedian and host of the 
AMI's House podcast, Am I 

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Correct? 
Correct. 

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So that is a really, really 
funny and enlightening podcast. 

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And you are a personal hero of 
ours because of your nuanced, 

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thoughtful, courageous takes, 
and also just being somebody who

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stands up for our people in such
a such a pleasant and elegant 

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way. 
And it's really just an honor to

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have you on. 
Oh, thanks guys. 

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I appreciate it. 
I look forward to demystifying. 

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All right, off to a good start. 
So I mean, I've watched a bunch 

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of your episodes and you know, 
we're we we see you often on all

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these different channels like 
Candace Owens and and other 

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celebrity kind of podcast. 
We never we never really get a 

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chance to hear about AMI Kozak. 
Like what drew you to comedy 

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initially and how did you decide
to pursue this career in comedy?

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So it goes back to the roots of 
my creative endeavors were 

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actually music. 
I'm a musician, professional 

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musician. 
I've been doing music for 15 

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plus years. 
I've been saying 15 plus years 

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for a while. 
So it's probably longer than 

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that, but maybe I'm just 
forgetting my age. 

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But anyway, I'm a professional 
musician. 

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I studied music at the Berkeley 
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I have a band called Distant 
Cousins and we've done a lot of 

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original music albums. 
Music for film and television. 

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I've composed for television 
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My band has done work for 
DreamWorks and Netflix and we've

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had a lot of songs and 
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And we recently actually are 
doing our first hybrid Hebrew 

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English album. 
The two other members have are 

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pretty big names in the Jewish 
world, Dov Rosenblatt and David 

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Swarski. 
Dov used to be in a band called 

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Blue Fringe. 
Divid is in a band called 

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Moshav, and the three of us 
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moved there back in 2011. 
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I've been very active on the 
music scene. 

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And recently there was sort of 
the neglected child of mine, 

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which was comedy. 
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did socially. 
It was a part of my personality,

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but it wasn't really anything I 
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long time, mainly because there 
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You know, in the entertainment 
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are sort of siloed off. 
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can pursue, but they don't 
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So I was really head on in the 
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professionally, doing it full 
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Comedy was always something I 
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it wasn't until I started taking
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and then eventually YouTube and 
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But back when TikTok was sort of
fairly new, I sort of took the 

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opportunity to approach it 
slightly differently than I had 

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used social media before 
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And I mainly used it as a 
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for the band to try to announce 
when shows were happening or 

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things like that. 
But all the creative stuff I was

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doing was outside of social 
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So I decided to look into social
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than a promotional tool and the 
easiest thing I could do. 

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After experimenting with a 
little and doing some musical 

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stuff, I started doing 
impressions on a daily basis and

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showcasing that skill I'd always
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outlet for. 
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consistently, eventually several
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people got to see that whole 
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that I had neglected, which was 
comedy started to get attention.

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And yeah, built up a nice 
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during COVID when a lot of stuff
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the live performance side shut 
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Things were all recalibrating. 
Built up in a really a nice 

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organic following on TikTok, 
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to YouTube and Instagram till 
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So once I once COVID ended and I
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longer, I started doing more 
stand up and then moved to New 

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York and dove head first into 
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And then of course with the 
Jewish community, there's only a

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few people out there who can do 
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comedy. 
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take advantage of my intimate 
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community and knowing that world
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Jew, started the J sketch comedy
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And then post October 7th, 
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full on onto the Jewish stuff. 
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front and center approach where 
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about these issues with regard 
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But that was more of a recent 
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But in any event, that's sort of
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podcast. 
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extension of allowing me to 
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of everything that I'm doing. 
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story of my. 
Is music still like 1A or is it?

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Has it moved kind of behind? 
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know you for your comedy. 
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it's, it's, it's not moved. 
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It's made room, you know, and I 
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the power of social media. 
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Social media with comedy was a 
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complimentary because the video 
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product of what I'm trying to do
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Often you're making records and 
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writing and then you have to 
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eyes it into a video creation 
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With comedy, those things are 
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So it was always a little bit 
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It's like a solo thing that I'm 
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but also the what I'm doing in 
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some kind of thing like a video,
the impression that is the 

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social media post where as a 
song performance, you know, that

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exists outside of the video of 
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So I think a lot of bands 
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that reason because a lot of the
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writing, recording, performing, 
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So learning that craft is, is 
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on social media. 
So always working at that and 

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posting about it. 
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there's some nice overlap as 
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you know, it's funny. 
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lot longer. 
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attention that's garnered a lot 
more recently is the is the 

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shtick, which is great. 
It's all good. 

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Who would you say are your 
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I really like, you know, I mean 
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type comedians, guys who like 
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purpose in terms of their skill 
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comedy itself isn't my 
necessarily my style, but like a

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Bo Burnham or a Reggie Watts or 
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Jamie Foxx Him does impressions,
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He he he's an actor. 
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With Bo Burnham, yeah. 
Yeah, he can do anything and not

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in that way really well. 
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when I see Jamie Foxx able to do
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seamlessly, it's pretty 
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Stand up wise as I mean, I love 
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Burr, Louis CK, Patrice O'Neal 
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like Gaffigan. 
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most as a commentator of comedy.
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things. 
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about comedy. 
Trying to think of who else. 

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I always feel like I missed the 
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But comedically, yeah, there's, 
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different stand ups, the roast 
comics, Andrew Schultz, Tony 

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Hinchcliffe. 
So I'm I'm sure you're into like

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then I actually recently saw 
Shane Gillis. 

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I saw Louis CK at MSG last year.
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that was a pop bucket list. 
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I like guys who are pretty like,
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Manos. 
Picalco's are really, yeah, I 

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really love Sebastian. 
I love a lot of that stuff. 

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So I'd say the stuff that isn't 
my style, I appreciate the 

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writing of it, but like the 
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to Nate Bargatzi, those kind of 
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Stylistically, it's not my 
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appreciate it. 
But the the more mellow stuff, I

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like the bigger bombastic stuff 
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Or like the real cutting or 
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saw Jim Gaffigan live more 
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just incredible. 
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are just like alpha at their 
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the game, it's it's really cool 
to watch Mark Mark Normand is 

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another one Mark. 
Normand he's great comedy. 

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Yeah, he's one. 
Of the comedy. 

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Get mystified. 
Got to get mysty mystified. 

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It's getting gross. 
OK, comedy. 

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Yeah. 
One, one of my favorite Jewish 

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comedians is Gary Goleman. 
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He's he's he's fantastic. 
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Orthodox, I think it's just like
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Am I missing anybody really in 
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You got Modi, you got up and 
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who's a colleague. 
And he does your skits, he does 

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the. 
Skits, skits with me Dovey. 

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Neuberger's up and coming. 
You'll you'll be seeing more of 

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him. 
He was on mislabeled for a 

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while, that guy he. 
Was on his label, yeah. 

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You guys, are you on a game with
mislabel impressions or is that 

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gonna get you in trouble? 
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we're gonna get to the 
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So he's. 
On yeah, Dovey and Mikey and all

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the guys in sort of a there's a 
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There's like, you know, I think 
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unapologetically Jewish now and 
it's not uncool anymore. 

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And I'm and I'm glad to see 
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it's hierarchical to be who you 
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It used to be especially for 
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We're such a people that we 
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like, we don't want to be too 
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they we want them to like us. 
And I I really in a post October

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7th world, it's like we have to 
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And, and, and there, there 
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obviously you mentioned 
Seinfeld. 

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He's just stepped it up like in 
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But people like Jon Lovitz have 
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and, and his pride of being 
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And it's so inspiring. 
And, and you know that that to 

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me is just has been a revelation
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happening. 
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Think even like for even the 
from Jews, I, I, I credit guys 

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like Ben Shapiro who's rocking 
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It's like, you know, there's 
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even the most religious Jews, 
you know, it's, it's best kept 

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secret. 
By the way, did you know he's 

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Orthodox? 
So I think those days not 

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judging anyone, but like I, I 
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people feel that like, hey, I'm 
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I'm not going to violate Shabbos
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Shabbos or tour and I'm always 
going to keep kosher, but it's 

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just something people know about
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And I think certainly post 
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been a bit of a enthusiasm 
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Jewish, whatever form that is. 
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which have been them, because 
the Orthodox Jew sort of has the

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most to sort of have to contend 
with in terms of compromise and,

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and things that come at odds 
with practice that you have to 

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negotiate and whatever. 
So, you know, I grew up in the 

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generation where you didn't wear
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know, you never compromised 
anything. 

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But you know, Yamaha to where 
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faces. 
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know, today it's sort of like, I
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little bit. 
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positive thing. 
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defend those people, obviously, 
I think it, you feel like when 

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you wear a keeper, it comes with
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And maybe you don't feel like 
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especially if you have a voice 
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they're they're you're, you feel
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So you have to be even more 
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So like, you know, if you're, if
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Talmid Hassan, you shouldn't be,
you know, saying what you want 

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to say. 
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correct. 
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saying is absolutely true. 
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the positives that has come out 
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Yeah. 
And it's a complicated thing 

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because in theory that sounds 
right, but then what are we 

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really saying? 
We're saying we're all not just 

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going to act up to this 
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should look internally and say 
maybe, maybe as a community, we 

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can leave a little room for 
people of different stripes to 

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still be connected to still 
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judgment that needs to be 

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tweaked, or our own 
judgmentalism. 

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Yes, absolutely. 
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And, and obviously, you know, 
like we know this, that there's 

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so many different labels put on 
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just from ourselves what we put 
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Just like, you know, there's the
the rationalist and the, and the

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Mystic and the hussid. 
And these are just ridiculous 

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labels. 
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this is being addressed finally.
Perhaps it's perhaps it's not 

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the the fact of wearing a 
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about what might happen is 
really being worried about the 

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community's judgement upon thee 
and upon oneself. 

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And maybe the community needs to
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Not to say we shouldn't have 
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needs to chill so that way more 
people can wear a Yamaka proudly

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without fear of misstep, you 
know? 

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Well said. 
And so, so why do you think 

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there's been like a 
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historically disproportionate 
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how has your Jewish identity 
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and like material? 
Certainly a history of pain and 

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suffering necessitates coping 
mechanisms in humor is a coping 

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mechanism to deal with the 
tragedies of life. 

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So when you're a historically 
oppressed people, you develop 

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good mechanisms for lifting each
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times, you know, So that is 
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Immigrant populations with large
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Italians are probably pretty 
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You know, anyone who's got a big
family, you know, knows that you

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got to develop thick skin, and 
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attacks from siblings and hold 
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And if you have a lot of younger
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younger, down you go. 
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the younger siblings have to be 
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attention. 
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little more stoic. 
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on responsibility, but the 
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funny one. 
I'm the youngest child, so I 

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think that's a part of it. 
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communities that are cohesive 
and close knit allows for people

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to be comfortable and people to 
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each other so that one can be, 
you know, the whole riffing and 

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roasting and being able to take 
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characteristic I think is a 
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communities that have made it 
through the ages when a lot of 

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people have sought to do harm to
those communities. 

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So art is a lot of times born 
out of suffering. 

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Comedy as well, and learning how
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I mean, humor and charm and 
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Jews have had to use in order to
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over time. 
Combined with robust education 

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and being informed, which humor 
requires, as well as a certain 

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sort of basic level of 
intelligence and insight. 

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The combination of scholarship, 
social adaptability, to be able 

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to survive in various 
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That's just a hunch of as to why
we've cultivated such a strong, 

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sharp sense of humor. 
And then when you're raised in 

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that culture that values that 
you tend to lean into the things

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that your community values. 
So the competition to be funny 

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or to be able to hold your own 
verbally has probably developed 

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a that's probably one of the 
been the contributed factors. 

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These are all just kind of 
insights, I'm not like basing 

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this on. 
Deep. 

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Deep scholastic research, but it
seems to be the case that, you 

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know, I don't know, I remember, 
you know, you're growing up and 

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even for my own story, you got a
bunch of grandparents around 

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and, and they just basically sit
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That's like all they do or they 
play cards and, and, and, and 

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when you do that, like, what are
you doing to keep each other 

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entertained? 
You're joking around and they're

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doing it in Yiddish. 
And then that translates. 

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And then the, the, the sort of 
admiration for comedy, for 

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skills I used to have to, I'd 
be, I would constantly be 

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summoned to do impressions for 
my parents, friends and things 

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like that. 
So that's culturally encouraged 

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too. 
And then you have the whole, you

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know, the Jewish sort of impact 
on building up Hollywood and 

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entertainment and the arts and 
things like that. 

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So, you know, it's all those 
things that sort of foster a 

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culture that brews comedy. 
That really brings to mind, you 

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know, one, one of my favorite 
movies, which I think every 

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generation can relate to and 
every culture can relate to is 

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My Big Fat Greek Wedding. 
And you, you can, you can see 

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them as like a Sparty family, an
Italian family, Greek. 

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And like you said it, it has a 
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from a culture that has its 
value of like a family unit. 

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That's such an important part of
it. 

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And it's just like it. 
The message is, you know, 

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universally felt by everybody. 
Yeah, So absolutely. 

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Let me ask you, have you had any
challenges being an Orthodox Jew

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in that comedic culture and 
world in? 

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What sense like because things 
get like dirty or raunchy or 

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stuff like that. 
No more. 

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Maybe like more like 
anti-Semitism or just people 

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making like uncomfortable 
comments to you or just the fact

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that you're loud and proud Jew 
in that world, because there is 

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that fine line. 
Yeah, you're taking you have to 

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take a joke. 
But at the same time sometimes 

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like is this personal? 
Is it? 

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Anti-Semitism is not a problem 
in comedy. 

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You know, that's where 
everything is OK, because people

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are joking around and people 
aren't being serious. 

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So it's when it's when people 
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problem. 
You know, Chappelle, Chappelle's

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Holocaust jokes or first couple 
of jokes in his monologue about 

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Rosh Hashanah. 
It's Shanna tomorrow I want to, 

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I want to take off. 
You know, those were funny. 

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Like those Jewish jokes he was 
making were funny. 

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They were jokes. 
It's when he got serious about 

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halfway through the monologue 
that things got very disturbing.

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You know, it's all the sudden 
when, when someone's not joking 

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and they're just making a point.
And there's no punchline that 

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you become suspect. 
Like, what's that supposed to 

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mean? 
Like, you know. 

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Well, he's kind of like a 
philosopher slash social 

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commentator. 
Also, it's like his jokes to me 

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at least they don't he he makes 
you think. 

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It's like George Carlin kind of 
you're not you're you're he's 

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when he speaks, he he he's not 
just a comedian. 

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So I think sometimes. 
That yeah, yeah. 

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But but even Carlin, even the 
commentary stuff, it is, is, is 

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revealing kind of truthful 
elements. 

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But they they are, they are and 
they're provocative. 

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But like, that's different than 
that's different than like just 

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making a serious point Stump, 
like just making a serious 

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point, you know, so you don't 
see it when you're a comedian 

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and people make Jewish jokes 
that even if they're like 

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disparaging or making fun of 
Jews, that they're making fun. 

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That's the point. 
Like you're trying to make fun 

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of each other for and then it's,
you know, ascribing malicious 

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intention. 
Malice has to do with intention 

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and not what people are saying, 
but what they what their 

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intentions are. 
You know, if somebody in a club,

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you know, called me a money grub
and Hebe as a joke, it might I 

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might laugh because it might be 
funny. 

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Lisa Nunpinelli had a set where 
she made fun of everybody in the

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crowd, including the money grub 
and heebs. 

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But it was hilarious because she
had this whole like, what's the 

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worst thing I could say about 
each group kind of thing? 

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And that's a nasty line. 
And that's what's funny about it

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because it's like trying to 
think of creatively the worst 

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versions of what people could 
say. 

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But they're not. 
I don't come from a place of 

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hate or malice. 
They come from a place of humor.

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So that's what sometimes makes 
you go, oh, because you reveal 

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certain truths about the world, 
but your intentions are to make 

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people laugh about them. 
But comedy has to have tensions 

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of truth. 
So stereotype jokes, racist 

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jokes, you know, racial jokes, I
should say, not racist jokes, 

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racial jokes, Holocaust jokes, 
you know, jokes about death, 

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jokes about life, jokes about 
kids, jokes about the worst 

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elements of society and the best
things. 

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They're all jokes. 
And that's the point. 

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I'm so I don't experience that 
in the from comedians 

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necessarily. 
Now in the entertainment 

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business as a whole, you one 
could argue that like the on the

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industry side of things, less so
the creative. 

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But you know, post October 7th 
it gets more complicated. 

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I have seen obviously you have 
your like pro Palestinian 

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comedians who are annoying and 
who, you know, I've lost some 

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respect for, for some of the 
views I've seen people take, but

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like not because they've made 
bad jokes, but because they have

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bad takes and bad positions 
outside of their comedy in the 

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industry as a whole. 
The general apathy and 

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spinelessness and moral 
confusion or cowardice of the 

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general apparatus has been 
really disappointing and kind of

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pathetic to see so many people 
thinking that it's complicated 

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or brave or courageous to speak 
out against anti-Semitism, as if

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that takes some sort of bravery 
sort of as indicative of like 

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what is wrong with the general 
like culture and sort of 

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entertainment And, and outside 
of it, like the fact that there 

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are certain only few people you 
can pick out of a handful that 

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would that are willing to say 
anything. 

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So that's disappointing. 
But that's less about like being

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a comic and being around other 
comedians. 

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I mean, comedians also want to 
be able to say what they want. 

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So they value free speech. 
They value things that really 

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don't fall on the whole woke 
left agenda. 

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It doesn't comport so well 
because the people who I think 

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are the most anti humor right 
now in our society politically 

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is probably the woke left. 
Some on the far right sure, but 

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woke left ideas are much more 
ascendant in the culture. 

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And who is the most? 
Where is the place where humor 

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goes to diets to me in wokeness,
where speech is violence and 

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violence is resistance. 
So. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's often viewed 
as the comedy is often viewed as

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like one of the last bastions of
free speech. 

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So you have an important role to
play in society. 

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I think comedians today have a 
very unique role in society, 

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like people like Bill Maher and 
and, you know, others like that.

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Yeah, I mean, Bill Maher's also 
kind of toes the line between 

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comedian and and like a 
commentator. 

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I mean, you know, I I actually 
like his show. 

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I've been fan for a long time, 
watching for many years. 

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His comedy is just like, but I 
don't, I'll wait till you laugh,

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you know, I don't know, you 
know, like they're just kind of 

447
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,920
his takes. 
But I appreciate the format, you

448
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,760
know, so yeah, yeah, I 
appreciate that format. 

449
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,480
It was sort of podcasting before
there was podcasting is what the

450
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,400
real time is. 
You know, it's a little before 

451
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,800
it's time, but I always 
appreciate the format. 

452
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,440
So your plan, I'm assuming your 
plan was not initially to get 

453
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,320
into politics at all, but 
because of October 7th that kind

454
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,640
of catapulted you into this, you
know, this world of, of let's 

455
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,600
say, get it going on podcast 
like Daily Wire, Candace Owens. 

456
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,560
Is that something that like you 
wanted to do early on your 

457
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,240
career, Like I, I want to become
kind of like a social 

458
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,040
commentator or was it just 
something that just happened 

459
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120
naturally? 
Not really. 

460
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,640
Yeah. 
I mean, I always had a polit. 

461
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,960
I always had opinions amongst, 
you know, friends and I I always

462
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,720
liked ideas. 
And I was a hobbyist about 

463
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,720
economics and politics, but that
wasn't what I wanted to do from 

464
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880
an entertainment standpoint or 
to build an audience around. 

465
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,720
And I find that sometimes, no 
matter which side of the aisle 

466
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,520
you're on, when you create a 
whole audience around those 

467
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,840
ideas, you really become trapped
by your confirmation biases and 

468
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,480
your audience capture very 
easily because people want you 

469
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080
to retain and hold certain 
positions, which makes you 

470
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,840
inflexible to listen or to be 
open to anything other than the 

471
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,640
ideas that reinforce your 
audience. 

472
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,720
So it's a tricky game. 
Today, as I started doing more 

473
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,160
podcasting and building up that 
audience, I was able to expand 

474
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,360
more and talk about more ideas. 
And, you know, it's, it's a 

475
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,400
little more of a range of things
that can go deeper on particular

476
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,120
issues. 
But yeah, I, I don't, I still 

477
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:31,840
don't consider myself really 
political. 

478
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,240
I'm not going to, I don't, I 
don't feel compelled to go on 

479
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,520
and talk about JD Vance 
necessarily or an abortion bill 

480
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,000
or whatever. 
That's not really what my public

481
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,120
persona aims to do. 
But after I told her 7th, it was

482
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,760
a, it wasn't a political stance,
it was a moral stance. 

483
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000
It was like, you can't exist in 
the world of entertainment or 

484
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,680
content creation that doesn't 
respect basic morality and basic

485
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,720
humanity. 
And if people couldn't see what 

486
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,640
happened on October 7th clearly 
as a battle between good and 

487
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
evil, you know, I felt like 
comedy's days were numbered. 

488
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
And I'm not going to not do 
comedy, but I felt the need to 

489
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,640
speak out about it. 
And obviously it's close to 

490
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,200
home. 
So this was my issue as opposed 

491
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,720
to other issues that may have 
been politically charged that 

492
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,920
weren't close to home. 
Everyone's entitled to have 

493
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,760
particular issues that resonate 
with them in a different way, 

494
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,760
you know? 
And I'm sure if I was, if I was 

495
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,000
a Uyghur Muslim and I would have
spoken out about that on my 

496
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,560
comedy channel earlier or 
something, just because I would 

497
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,880
have been closer to that issue. 
Or if on a whole whole host of 

498
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,800
issues, if something hit close 
to home, maybe I would have 

499
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,520
drawn that line there. 
But again, yeah, post October 

500
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,440
7th to me just seemed like a 
real earth shattering moment of 

501
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,160
not just the event itself being 
so horrific, but the world's 

502
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040
reaction to it, both in apathy 
and support. 

503
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,360
Which led me to understand in a 
very kind of dark way, but 

504
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,720
crystallizing way how, how, how,
how the Holocaust itself was 

505
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,720
justified and happened. 
All you have to do is tweak the 

506
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,200
language and tweak the purse 
tweet and confuse people enough 

507
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,040
to think that evil is good and 
good is evil and everything was 

508
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000
backwards and convince them that
they're doing something virtuous

509
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520
by supporting Camas or and 
calling it resistance. 

510
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,520
So it just felt like we all kind
of woke up in a in a world we 

511
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000
suspected may have been there, 
but certainly realized was worse

512
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,760
than we thought. 
No matter what side of the 

513
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,120
political spectrum you're on. 
Certainly the Jews left the 

514
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,520
center had a massive wake up 
call. 

515
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Those are the right kind of had 
a told you some moment. 

516
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,760
But I think it's it was even 
worse and more shocking than any

517
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,880
of us could have imagined to see
people in the streets of New 

518
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080
York City or across Europe or 
the West or our universities 

519
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,520
praising October 7th and Hamas 
as a glorious day of resistance,

520
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,480
which we saw so explicitly that 
how could, how could anyone not 

521
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,920
say anything was was something 
you could not, you could not 

522
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,920
avoid. 
The the scary part is, is that 

523
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880
there is there are intelligent 
people that are taking these 

524
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
lines. 
You, you went on with Candace 

525
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Owens, you know, she she's an 
intelligent person, you know, 

526
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,480
and it's hard to understand how 
things got here. 

527
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,240
You know what I mean? 
Like it kind of, I guess, I 

528
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,840
guess the keen observer can can 
see the, the build up to this. 

529
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,480
But like if you're just looking 
at it, it just seems like all 

530
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
this just happens. 
It's it's weird. 

531
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,640
Yeah, I mean, we take for 
granted how close we are to the 

532
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,280
issue in a sense. 
And there's a lot of informed 

533
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000
knowledge and there's a lot of 
stuff that you've come to 

534
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,080
understand is propaganda and, 
and the perversion of language 

535
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,760
that to a complete lay person 
who's totally ignorant on the 

536
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,240
region, the history, you know, 
if you look at it like another 

537
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Russia, Ukraine and you think 
Israel's Russia or vice versa, 

538
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
You know, when Russia, Ukraine 
happened, I remember thinking to

539
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,120
myself, oh, so everyone's just 
putting up Ukrainian flags now 

540
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,960
because it seems very obvious 
who the good guys and the bad 

541
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640
guys are. 
And I'm not taking a position on

542
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,200
this, but I remember seeing 
that. 

543
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,840
It seemed very clear to me, but 
I know that there were people 

544
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,480
who were like, and as time went 
on, people were like more 

545
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,040
sympathetic to Russia. 
And there were people who were 

546
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120
like, no, no, no, you don't 
really understand what's going 

547
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,200
on here. 
Now, I'm not taking a position 

548
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520
because I'm not that informed on
the issue or what led up to 

549
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Russia invading. 
And it seemed very clear to me 

550
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
that Russia was invading a 
sovereign country. 

551
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,360
But I think people were 
mindlessly throwing up Ukrainian

552
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680
flags in the same way they're 
mindlessly throwing up 

553
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Palestinian flags. 
I'm only equating the fact that 

554
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920
people are taking positions 
publicly with very little 

555
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800
knowledge of an issue. 
And Candace is very, very 

556
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800
uninformed on the issue. 
And that was very. 

557
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,120
Passionate about? 
She's very passionate about 

558
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,240
something she's not informed 
about. 

559
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Well, no, she's, she's very, 
she's very passionate about not 

560
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,480
being pressured into believing 
something that or, or agreeing 

561
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080
with something that she doesn't 
know much about. 

562
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560
So it's really, and I'm not 
defending, I'm explaining it's 

563
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,760
that if, if you are in an 
environment that's telling you 

564
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,120
that, that there's a consensus 
around. 

565
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,000
I think a lot of her in, in her 
case, there was a, it's more of 

566
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,720
an issue of temperament and 
ignorance. 

567
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,040
So if she feels a certain 
pressure and then lacks a 

568
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,200
certain understanding of the 
issue, she gets very reactive. 

569
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,640
And then if she gets attacked 
for the wrong reaction, gets 

570
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,640
very defensive and it's sort of 
spirals and then gets more 

571
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,960
provocative and then double s 
down. 

572
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
So I called her out for a very 
ignorant tweet. 

573
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,840
And then she invited me on. 
And then we continued the 

574
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,680
conversation, which I thought 
was at least, you know, the 

575
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,520
first time we spoke was a pretty
constructive one. 

576
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,200
And most people thought like, 
oh, you know, they tried to give

577
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,040
me the win like you, you know, 
for, for winning the 

578
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,120
conversation. 
But I didn't, I didn't actually 

579
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,120
take it that way because most of
the time to my points on our 

580
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,480
first conversation, she just 
said, oh, oh, I, I didn't, I 

581
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,800
didn't know that. 
I didn't think about that. 

582
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,160
And if you watch the 
conversations, it often times is

583
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,280
very much drawn out that, you 
know, where when I'm engaging 

584
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720
with someone like her, you know,
there we have two ways to 

585
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,840
approach objectionable speech. 
You know, we can go into our 

586
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,920
siloed corners in the Jewish 
community, write a smear 

587
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,320
article, pat ourselves on the 
back and say, haha, called her 

588
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
out. 
Or we can have the intellectual 

589
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,560
strength and fortitude and 
confidence to either engage with

590
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
these people directly but not be
afraid of objectionable speech. 

591
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
It doesn't make it less 
objectionable, less wrong. 

592
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,920
But how can we do it? 
Can we go in our corners, give 

593
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640
ourselves high fives and try to 
run away or whatever? 

594
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,760
I mean, there's obviously I draw
the line at certain points and 

595
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,760
there's certain people I 
wouldn't engage with who are 

596
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,920
just purely malicious and purely
hateful. 

597
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200
But when we hear objectionable 
speech, to engage with it, 

598
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120
challenge it, is not to condone 
it. 

599
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,400
It's the opposite. 
And I think it's, you know, we 

600
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,600
have two ways you can go about 
it. 

601
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520
What do you think is going to do
more harm or more, more good? 

602
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Like what makes what makes a 
better case? 

603
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,720
Did the idea stand on their own?
We we shouldn't be afraid. 

604
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560
And are we, are we so fragile 
that if we see something like, 

605
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,280
oh, even something as like silly
as some Holocaust minimization, 

606
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,360
which is atrocious and terrible 
to do. 

607
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,160
But if it comes from a place of 
ignorance and not hate, maybe 

608
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960
it's easier to fix by by 
addressing and engaging it. 

609
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,800
Because hate is harder to fix 
than ignorance. 

610
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,880
And I've maintained for a while 
that a lot of it is rooted in a 

611
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,000
lack of understanding and lack 
of awareness, and certainly an 

612
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,840
insensitivity. 
But if you scream at that and 

613
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,120
then write hit pieces and don't 
agree and and don't engage, then

614
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,000
you may just make the problem 
worse, not better. 

615
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,880
I don't know. 
I can't say definitive 

616
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,680
definitively, but we've seen 
both approaches, so you tell me.

617
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,600
I think the flip side of the 
whole woke culture is kind of 

618
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,560
this red pill culture on the 
right, which is like where I 

619
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,800
feel like, especially after, you
know, COVID, there's there's 

620
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,480
this feeling of like, Oh, well, 
one conspiracy turned out to be 

621
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,600
maybe true. 
So now that leads you into kind 

622
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680
of believing in every single 
conspiracy. 

623
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760
That's why you start hearing 
innuendo from people like like 

624
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,400
Candace Owens about like Francis
and Sabatin's. 

625
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,159
But Oh, I'm not talking about 
Jews, but but I am talking about

626
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,400
Jews, but I'm not saying Jews or
the Rothschilds and all these 

627
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,840
things start, you know, coming 
out into the open as if like, 

628
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,520
like when have you ever met a 
Jew who like says I like George 

629
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,159
Soros, but like that's always 
used against as if he's the 

630
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,280
prototypical Jew. 
And the issue I had with like 

631
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,239
having you on is not only do I 
feel like the her audience is 

632
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,679
kind of dead set on, you know, 
basically conspiratorial 

633
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,520
thinking because the comment 
section just overwhelmingly is 

634
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,600
anti Jew it seems like at least.
Yeah, yeah. 

635
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,320
But she would have someone like,
well, I had my token Jew on, OK,

636
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,600
or some rabbi who's kind of, I'm
not going to say names, but you 

637
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,920
know, the rabbis that she has on
her kind of like clown shows. 

638
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,280
So she has these people like 
kind of set up to lose in a way 

639
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880
or look like fools. 
And then she has a comedian on 

640
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,560
and then Norman Finkelstein. 
So how'd you should bring on 

641
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,400
like Benny Morris or like 
Coleman Hughes? 

642
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Not, not, not, not a obviously 
you did a great job. 

643
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,040
But I'm saying that at first 
when I saw it was like, why is 

644
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,160
she bringing Norman Finkelstein 
and a Jewish comedian and saying

645
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,280
this is like equivalent. 
So to me, it always felt like 

646
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,600
there was a slant over there 
that was very, very there was a 

647
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,920
lot of innuendo. 
There's a lot of, you know, 

648
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,800
conspiratorial kind of messages,
but she gaslights in a way 

649
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,800
where, you know, if you if you 
even question her, she has this 

650
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,640
type of like, you see, Jews are 
so sensitive Jews. 

651
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,320
It's always about anti-Semitism.
And now slowly, slowly it's 

652
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,440
coming out, you know, she's 
putting out these new videos 

653
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,040
mocking Jews and the way they 
talk. 

654
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,080
And it's just like, you know, I 
don't know, is it worth it to to

655
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,200
engage with these people when, 
you know, like the audience is 

656
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,800
kind of set in their ways, you 
know what I mean? 

657
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Yeah, I do. 
I mean, like, I don't do her 

658
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480
booking. 
So yeah, I don't know what, you 

659
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,120
know, you're responding to a 
persona and not a person 

660
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,680
necessarily. 
You know, you see a lot of 

661
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
theater and it's perfectly 
legitimate to react that way. 

662
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
I certainly would if I didn't, 
if I wasn't on the inside. 

663
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,320
As far as like, you know, when 
we see Twitter theater and when 

664
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,720
we see social media theater, 
it's going to give a certain 

665
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,800
impression. 
But what if I told you it's just

666
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,840
like, all right, so let's who 
else can we have on? 

667
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,840
Is there anyone else who's like 
Jewish but pro Palestinian? 

668
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,440
OK, Norman Finkelstein, who's 
the ISO professor. 

669
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,240
OK, let's talk to him. 
OK, what anything else? 

670
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:27,480
Oh, there's this cool story 
about this. 

671
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,400
OK. 
Like a lot of this stuff is a 

672
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,320
little a little less thought out
than you think in terms of 

673
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,880
trying to send a message or 
trying to be so shrewd. 

674
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,200
And my, my understanding is a 
lot of the stuff in the Internet

675
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640
world is, is sort of more 
shooting from the hip and just 

676
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,040
being intellectually curious. 
But like, like, that's a 

677
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,360
gracious way of putting it, but 
I, I think you, you're 

678
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,320
attributing a lot of these 
things. 

679
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,240
Like, we know everything about 
Norman Finkelstein because he's 

680
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,040
old news to us. 
We've watched him debate 

681
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Dershowitz since 2001. 
I don't think Candace did 

682
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,000
necessarily. 
That's my hunch. 

683
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,160
I think she was looking. 
And of course he was willing to 

684
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,240
come on. 
I don't know if Coleman would be

685
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,880
willing to come on. 
I would like to see that. 

686
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,240
Or maybe it's a waste of time 
because maybe it's just too 

687
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,080
theatrical and whatever, but I 
don't care about the tokenism. 

688
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,240
Look, everyone's like, why are 
you platforming her? 

689
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,440
Why are you doing that? 
I didn't build the platform. 

690
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,240
You could talk to other people 
about that. 

691
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
Other people built her platform,
not me, you understand. 

692
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,360
And I don't have to name names 
here, but we all know how that 

693
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
came about. 
So don't talk to me about the 

694
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,320
fact that there's millions and 
millions of people now that take

695
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,960
that are there responding and 
that she's having impact on and 

696
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,040
they're there. 
So it's there. 

697
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,720
So I'm going to go and make a 
case and if I don't feel like 

698
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,440
doing it or I don't feel it's 
going to be constructive, I 

699
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,240
won't do it. 
But you can only assume someone 

700
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,120
has you on in good faith if 
you're actually going to go on. 

701
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Otherwise you're just performing
a conversation. 

702
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,840
If you go there with an agenda 
or to try to see the hidden 

703
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,040
meaning behind things and not 
actually forget about 

704
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
questioner, but ask real 
questions like what's what do 

705
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,880
you, what's really going on? 
If you notice by the end of our 

706
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,040
conversation, she said obviously
like Hamas is terrible and 

707
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,680
obviously like Israel should do 
what it has to do. 

708
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,120
I just like I'm apathetic to it 
because I'm not connected to the

709
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,200
issue. 
Yeah, I remember that. 

710
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,240
Now, she would never say that to
anyone else necessarily. 

711
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,880
She wouldn't make that kind of 
concession necessarily because 

712
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,720
everyone's coming at it from an 
attack position and not a 

713
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,760
conversational position. 
And so the defense mechanisms go

714
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,240
up, but I consider it a success 
and constructive for for her to 

715
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,920
say something like that, which 
she didn't stress for a long 

716
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
enough, which made it better, I 
think, which I think eroded the 

717
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,720
trust with the Jewish community 
in a lot of ways. 

718
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,240
So for her to say that at the 
end of our conversation and sort

719
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,360
of understand where I was coming
from, at least in that moment, 

720
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
it felt constructive. 
What happened since then I can't

721
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,000
speak to. 
And yeah, it's disappointing to 

722
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,840
see obviously exposes about 
Holocaust stuff and Mangala and 

723
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,360
all those things. 
But I think a lot of that stuff 

724
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,520
is also, you know, yeah. 
I mean, I don't control her 

725
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,320
editorials and her booking and 
who she chooses to have on. 

726
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,160
But yeah, skepticism for 
skepticism's sake without 

727
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
critical thinking and evaluation
can lead you to some places. 

728
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,720
But we're big boys here, you 
know, we're big boys and we're 

729
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,440
big girls. 
And we can say that's that's if 

730
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,240
you believe in free speech, it 
doesn't mean you condone by 

731
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,280
engaging. 
And we can call it out and we 

732
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,640
can say, yeah, that's wrong or 
that's incorrect, and here's 

733
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,920
why. 
We've had this conversation 

734
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,600
before, but the audience is 
already there. 

735
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,040
And I didn't build it, so you 
know. 

736
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,640
You did an incredible job. 
It was it was just amazing to 

737
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,920
watch that conversation. 
As a community, we all thank you

738
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,760
because it was it was needed, it
was important and it was time. 

739
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,120
It was a very important juncture
also in terms of the war and 

740
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080
what she was going through. 
And you know what I mean? 

741
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,400
It was beginning with a breakup 
with, well, it didn't happen 

742
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,080
yet, but at that time, yeah, you
know, a lot was going on in her 

743
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,840
life, too. 
It was like a critical moment. 

744
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440
And it was. 
It was a great interview. 

745
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Yeah, thank you. 
I mean, so where it leads, you 

746
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,120
know, what can I tell you? 
I don't know. 

747
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,760
It was I I certainly know what 
happens if you do nothing or if 

748
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,600
you certainly silo yourself off 
into a corner, pat yourself on 

749
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,800
the back, give your own people 
who already agree with you a 

750
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,840
high five and and completely 
ignore it when there's someone 

751
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,280
who is possibly engageable and 
curious enough to hear you out. 

752
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,320
You know, she had me on the 
show, you know, uninterrupted 

753
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,040
for an hour, unedited. 
I will. 

754
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,080
You know what I mean? 
So. 

755
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,520
With those opportunities coming,
you can actually try to 

756
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,000
understand what's going on, you 
know? 

757
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,680
For the out of curiosity, just 
out of curiosity, have you had 

758
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,680
any follow up kind of 
communication with her sense or 

759
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,120
that was it? 
Oh, she's here? 

760
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840
Yeah. 
Candace, you want to talk to 

761
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,400
her? 
Yeah. 

762
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,120
No, just Pesach, Sater and a 
Finchamus, but otherwise I'm. 

763
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,960
I think I'm going there actually
for Rosh Hashanah. 

764
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,200
No, I no, I was on the show 
twice actually. 

765
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,200
So the first time was November 
and then the second time I had a

766
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,320
debate with another comedian and
we talked about it and then we 

767
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,520
had a Part 2 of that 
conversation was all filmed at 

768
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,400
once. 
But but you know, I do think if 

769
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600
I'm going to say anything like 
she is sort of that like free 

770
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,720
speech absolutist, more speech. 
So she's like willing to talk to

771
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,720
anybody and sometimes to a flaw 
to a fault where like there's 

772
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,920
certain people that just, you 
know, I think in the free speech

773
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,800
and in the response to cancel 
culture and wokeness, sometimes 

774
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,720
the free speech absolutism of 
everybody, just because somebody

775
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,360
can say something legally means 
everything they say has some 

776
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,120
legitimacy. 
I don't think it's true or has 

777
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,640
is worth listening to. 
I don't necessarily think it's 

778
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,440
true. 
So there's confusion there that 

779
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,720
sometimes happens in the circles
of sort of the reactionary 

780
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,200
position to the cancel culture 
where you can't say anything or 

781
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,360
any joke or comment must be 
deemed evil or violent. 

782
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,120
On the opposite extreme of that 
is every single view is 

783
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520
legitimate and must be heard 
out, you know, and that's where 

784
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,960
you sort of get to that 
pendulum. 

785
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,680
But assessing where it things 
are in between and how far 

786
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,000
things are going before they go 
down a full on rabbit hole is 

787
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,040
sort of a, you know, a personal 
choice. 

788
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,480
I get, I get that people don't 
want to that don't find it 

789
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,400
productive or engageable and 
that's that's their prerogative.

790
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
I get it. 
But. 

791
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,440
I think what you're you're what 
you're doing is unbelievable. 

792
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,400
And I think that, you know, we 
live in a unique time where 

793
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,240
people have become like the 
brands and people like 

794
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,840
influencers have a real voice 
like your, your next door 

795
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,520
neighbor's mother, you know, is 
has a 20,000 followers on 

796
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Instagram. 
And those are the voices now you

797
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,160
hear coming out advocating for 
the Jewish people, advocating 

798
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,800
for Israel in a time where we 
kind of feel like we need to. 

799
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,320
Where is this where the rabbis 
who are speaking for us and why 

800
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,520
is that rabbi speaking for us 
who I don't feel represents me? 

801
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
So it's really, it's really 
unique to have, you know, people

802
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,640
like you, you know, have such a 
powerful voice today. 

803
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,160
I just wanted to say that, you 
know, Thanks. 

804
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 
So and the the last thing before

805
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,320
we get to the last, we're going 
to get to the next segment. 

806
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,080
But before we get to the final 
segment, I just wanted to ask 

807
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,160
you what message you have for 
young American Jews and non Jews

808
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,560
during this challenging time of 
rising global anti-Semitism and 

809
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:21,120
anti Zionism. 
Quick Yeah. 

810
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,680
I mean, it's a spooky time 
because you never really know at

811
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,920
what point in the history chart 
you're at. 

812
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,680
Like are you, are we at the 
point where the Jews were like 

813
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,240
comfortable, but things were 
coming in 1938 and they have to 

814
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,120
bounce and they got to leave 
where they're at and leave the 

815
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,120
land that you're comfortable in 
and go to the land that I will 

816
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,000
show you. 
Because this is like happened 

817
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,560
many, many times before in our 
history where anti-Semitism 

818
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,840
reaches the threshold where it's
time to go, like stay in fight 

819
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,680
or time to go stay in fight or 
time to go supposed October 7th.

820
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,080
When you're looking at a world 
like that, what are what are we 

821
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,480
to make of the UK and France and
maybe down the road the United 

822
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,000
States? 
Obviously you don't want to be 

823
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,600
hyperbolic and hysterical and 
everything still feels like, you

824
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,520
know, we live in a world where 
social media sort of exacerbates

825
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:18,880
the sense of of our of like that
that reality is actually, you 

826
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,440
know, a dangerous place for Jews
because Sam Harris like was in 

827
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,880
an interview and said there was 
a poll of Americans recently 

828
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120
done. 
You know, if you want just watch

829
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,520
social media within social 
media, you get one read on like 

830
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,720
the percentage of who supports 
the enemies of Israel and who's 

831
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,080
and the anti-Semitism that's 
rising on Twitter. 

832
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
But then you poll like 70% of 
Americans think Israel should 

833
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,720
destroy Hamas completely and 
should be nothing but 

834
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,400
successful. 
And that we for the most part, 

835
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,400
the majority of Americans 
support the Jewish people and 

836
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
support Israel. 
So we have sort of two different

837
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,960
realities. 
The reality that exists outside 

838
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,000
of the digital world and the 
digital world itself, which 

839
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,480
gives you sort of a false, you 
know, skewed perspective of a 

840
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,920
false read of where things are 
at and everything is 

841
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,800
exaggerated. 
Now, at the same time, it 

842
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,640
doesn't take much in terms of a 
cultural shift for for, you 

843
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,680
know, you can have a majority 
population that feels fine with 

844
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,920
the Jews and then small focus 
minority that doesn't. 

845
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,720
And things can change rather 
quickly if they're active 

846
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,240
enough. 
So you have to keep your 

847
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,040
antennas up. 
I think don't call everything 

848
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,760
anti-Semitic that isn't 
anti-Semitic. 

849
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,080
I think a lot of Jews on the 
left that through their, you 

850
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,720
know, alliances and, and, and 
solidarity with groups that were

851
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,840
calling everything racist when 
it wasn't racist. 

852
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,320
And adjacent to that, calling 
things anti-Semitic that weren't

853
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,920
anti-Semitic, you know, calling 
Whoopi Goldberg and Richard 

854
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Spencer the same thing doesn't 
make any sense. 

855
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,840
And eventually it loses its 
cultural power. 

856
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,960
And in a sense. 
Well, no, it goes both ways 

857
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,160
because they also they called 
Donald Trump a Nazi, but then 

858
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,760
when he gets shot, the 
president, the former president 

859
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,520
is wishing him well. 
Why are you wishing Hitler well?

860
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,520
You. 
Know so I would say as Jordan 

861
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,200
Peterson said be precise in your
speech and make sure that when 

862
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:14,920
you use intense labels to to to 
identify something it better be 

863
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,600
worth the name. 
And so otherwise you're, you 

864
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,440
know there's the cry wolf 
scenario where we if you call 

865
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,400
everything something we, we 
can't see anything and we can't 

866
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,640
determine what is really a 
problem and what is not if 

867
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,880
you've spent years and years. 
I mean I'm not trying to victim 

868
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,280
blame. 
This is only certain substance 

869
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,160
of the Jewish community that I 
think have have have 

870
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,800
participated in that where they 
use the terms too loosely. 

871
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,880
But save it for people who 
really deserve the term and, and

872
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,120
don't be afraid to speak out. 
Not in a way where you shy away 

873
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,200
from these things or just shun 
them and pretend they don't 

874
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,560
exist. 
But if these things are out 

875
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,640
there and they're gaining 
momentum, then you got to tackle

876
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,040
them. 
And you got to tackle them with 

877
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,120
courage, pride and confidence 
and not with this sort of 

878
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,960
reactionary siloing our 
ourselves away into an echo 

879
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,800
Chamber of people who only agree
with us. 

880
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,760
You have to get a little 
uncomfortable sometimes. 

881
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,160
And in terms of a rising 
anti-Semitism, I think the more 

882
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,520
that the Jewish individual 
asserts his or herself as a 

883
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,760
proud Jew in the same way the 
the Jewish state asserts itself 

884
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,760
as a proud Jewish state, people 
get upset, but they respect it. 

885
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,560
So, you know, it's like any 
relationship with any individual

886
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,840
between individuals. 
People get very resentful when 

887
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,280
you don't let them use you or 
you don't let them abuse you. 

888
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,920
They get upset, but that doesn't
mean they don't respect it. 

889
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,880
So collectively and 
individually, asserting yourself

890
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,480
and being proud and unapologetic
and precise and honest and 

891
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,800
having integrity might not have 
everybody like you, but it will 

892
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,800
have everyone respect you. 
That's a great way of putting 

893
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,360
it. 
And actually to touch on what 

894
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,320
you said about, you know, 70% 
let's say are polled and saying 

895
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,280
that they're pro Israel and 
they're and they want to come 

896
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,520
off to be destroyed. 
But I think what is dangerous 

897
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160
and what we're seeing is like 
through, through, through social

898
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,000
media and through academia, 
they're like in engineering the,

899
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,560
the young generation to, to 
shift. 

900
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,800
And I, I think those polls show 
that there's actually a shift 

901
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,600
going on at least against 
Israel. 

902
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Like there's like, I think it's 
like 5050 right now. 

903
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,960
It was never that to that point.
So that is, that is definitely 

904
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,800
terrifying. 
And when we see what's happening

905
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,600
in France and the UK, it's, it's
terrifying. 

906
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,280
Benci and I, we, we come from, 
you know, the machete Persian 

907
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:35,360
community and our, our ancestors
like a century ago were forced 

908
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,800
converts and they were crypto 
Jews for, for a century. 

909
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,160
They were, they were basically 
outwardly Muslim and they were 

910
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,600
keeping their Judaism in secret.
And, and then, you know, in 

911
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,880
791979 during the rise of the 
Ayatollah and, and the, there 

912
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,360
was a revolution in Iran, a lot 
of people, like you said, they 

913
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,480
thought they were comfortable 
there. 

914
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,960
And then all of a sudden they, 
they had to leave, they had to 

915
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,800
move, not knowing the language. 
So like we're, I feel like 

916
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,000
history has prepared all of us 
to have this like 1 foot out the

917
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,240
door readiness at the same time,
like, like you said, where are 

918
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,880
we on that, on that point? 
Because it's really it's. 

919
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,920
It's hard to know. 
But your dad married an Oski for

920
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,800
sure. 
I mean, look at you. 

921
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,640
There's no way. 
No, you're full on. 

922
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,040
It's a It's a wonder. 
It's a wonder. 

923
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,920
Somebody explained that to me. 
Are you kidding me? 

924
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,320
You had to find out who the 
milkman was? 

925
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,800
I have no idea. 
What is happening? 

926
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Some Eastern European dropped 
into into Tehran or what? 

927
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,880
Machadi is different than 
Tehrani, right? 

928
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,760
We have a lot actually we have 
we have light skin and and red 

929
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,560
hair Machado. 
I thought that was the Syrians 

930
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,840
who were the white passing 
sparred. 

931
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,400
They have some we have. 
We have a bunch of light skin 

932
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040
machetes, so yeah. 
Not a lot, though. 

933
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,360
You're not a lot. 
But we we have a decent amount 

934
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,320
this new generation for sure. 
OK, you fooled me, but yeah. 

935
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,800
So now the last segment we want 
to do just to, you know, just to

936
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,560
end on a funny note, is to to 
showcase your impression skills.

937
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,120
So we want to ask you questions 
in the character of certain 

938
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,920
people you do impressions of. 
So the first one is going to be 

939
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,440
for Jordan Peterson. 
So Mr. Peterson had Doctor 

940
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Peterson. 
How do you think individuals can

941
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,240
find meaning in their lives 
during such chaotic times? 

942
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:34,440
Well, you know, I don't really 
like the way the question is 

943
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,080
formulated. 
You know, it's like, well, you 

944
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,400
know, that's that's that's quite
something. 

945
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,600
You know, there's chaotic times 
and orderly times. 

946
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,720
You know, they exist on a fine 
line that exacerbates the 

947
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,800
anthropological studies that 
beyond human existence that 

948
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,760
leads to a spiritual realm 
between the dimensions of the 

949
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,360
heavens above beneath the abyss 
below. 

950
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,720
So to survive in that 
environment, man, that's going 

951
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,080
to take basically everything you
got. 

952
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,640
So what else are you going to 
bloody do? 

953
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480
That's what I would say. 
Oh my God. 

954
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,920
That was epic. 
Oh my gosh. 

955
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Donald Trump, what's your take 
on the current political climate

956
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,320
in light of the recent attempt 
on your life? 

957
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Well, you know, I don't believe 
in climate change except for one

958
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,320
thing. 
The climate's going to change 

959
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,880
politically because they love 
me. 

960
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,440
They love me so much. 
You know, in, in 2024, we're 

961
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,720
going to have a political 
climate change that's going to 

962
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,400
come in so strongly. 
You know that, right? 

963
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,800
Because they love me, these 
people, they love me. 

964
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,840
They tried to take my ear off, 
but that's OK. 

965
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,800
I grew it back. 
You know, I can regenerate like 

966
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,440
a lizard, even though the 
Democrats are the lizard people.

967
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840
Gavin Newsom, he's a lizard. 
He, it's, it's weird. 

968
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,880
He's weird. 
He's, he's a lizard person. 

969
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,840
So is Kamala. 
She's she talks weird, she talks

970
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,160
in rhyme. 
You know that, right? 

971
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,320
She talks in, she talks in rhyme
like a poetry teacher. 

972
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,440
It's terrible. 
And we're going to come in 

973
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,880
strongly with a huge climate 
change like you've never seen, 

974
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,320
but not the kind of climate, a 
political climate change. 

975
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,240
But we're going to unleash 
American energy. 

976
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,560
We're going to unleash it so 
strongly and we're going to, 

977
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,680
we're going to clean up this 
border. 

978
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,120
The borders is terrible. 
We're going to destroy, they're 

979
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,760
going to destroy this country. 
If she wins, if you're a Jewish 

980
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,800
person and you vote for Kamala 
or Biden or any of these people,

981
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,040
you should have your head 
examined because they don't care

982
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,520
about you. 
She doesn't care about her 

983
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,880
husband. 
She beats him every night with a

984
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,680
stick. 
Nobody knows this but Doug, 

985
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Doug, Doug, Doug, what is it, 
Amorph? 

986
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,440
What's his name? 
But he's a bait. 

987
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,560
He's a beta male. 
They call him a beta male. 

988
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,320
She beats him every night with a
little stick. 

989
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,040
I know this because they, I've 
heard from so many people. 

990
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,800
We all know this. 
So that's what's going to 

991
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,080
happen. 
We're going to have a political 

992
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,480
climate change, not the real 
climate change nonsense the 

993
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,680
Democrats are talking about. 
So that's good. 

994
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,520
I need to breathe now. 
So, Douglas Murray, how do you 

995
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,440
perceive the cultural shifts 
occurring in the West, 

996
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:04,400
especially on college campuses? 
Well, I don't really speak 

997
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,200
publicly about it, but so many 
people understand what's going 

998
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,800
on here that on the 
universities, it could come as 

999
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,120
no shock or surprise that the 
fall of the West rests at the 

1000
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,560
hands of these preposterous 
administrators that have been 

1001
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,480
poisoning the minds of young 
people for generations. 

1002
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,320
And I, for one, I'm getting sick
and tired of it. 

1003
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,080
The public is very sick and 
tired of as well. 

1004
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,000
So I think that we're not really
coming on to it and it's not 

1005
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,040
going to continue as long as the
West sees rotten decay and moral

1006
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,280
depravity. 
It's very strange, very strange 

1007
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,960
indeed. 
I don't understand why. 

1008
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,840
Yes and yes. 
Tell me why these faculty who 

1009
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,960
wear nothing but short sleeve 
button down shirts with unkempt 

1010
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,280
hair think they can educate an 
entire population that's going 

1011
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,800
to be completely I'll kept and 
unwell. 

1012
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,960
I'm tired of this ilk of these 
people who think they can run 

1013
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,200
society for us like philosopher 
kings. 

1014
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,760
I for one resent and I think 
most people in the West resented

1015
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,000
as well is. 
Unbelievable. 

1016
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Wow. 
Oh my gosh. 

1017
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,920
All right. 
Rabbi David Bashefskin. 

1018
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,960
Bashefskin, former former guest 
on our show as well. 

1019
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,920
What is the biggest challenge 
facing Shiva buckers today? 

1020
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Well, The thing is dealing with 
Jewish particularities and all 

1021
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,760
of the things that the bucker of
the dealing with. 

1022
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,920
I find that if you're going to 
hold in on the particular issue,

1023
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,760
and you're talking about the 
shop types V in particular and 

1024
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,360
the messianic era in which 
people are striving to find a 

1025
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,080
way to these buckarib are doing 
nothing but pounding chilled 

1026
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,040
every single day. 
They're gaining weight like 

1027
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,200
crazy. 
There's a shit of crisis because

1028
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,000
they don't understand the 
difference in social dynamics 

1029
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,040
between friendships and 
relationships, intimacy, 

1030
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,360
sexuality, particularity, 
unificality, unificality, 

1031
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Asiatic, rabbinic. 
There's all sorts of very added 

1032
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,360
issues and I think tackling that
together as a community, both at

1033
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,840
an institutional and communal 
level, is where we're going to 

1034
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,120
find common ground. 
Oh gosh. 

1035
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,440
Oh, that. 
Was good. 

1036
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,760
OK, well. 
Last started off a little wonky,

1037
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,480
but I found my way. 
Oh. 

1038
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,080
No, you found that was. 
That was probably the best one. 

1039
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,600
OK so label Wiener of 
mislabeled. 

1040
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,280
Who makes better food, 
Ashkenazim or Sephardim? 

1041
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,000
Well, I mean, a lot of people 
think that's why I make so much 

1042
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,640
food, but I don't know why I 
like it so spicy spine. 

1043
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,560
I mean, if there's so much 
spices, I I like the voltage. 

1044
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,120
I like John. 
Like show me a smart pier. 

1045
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,200
You can compare. 
You can compare swarming food 

1046
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,600
and Ashwagi food. 
I don't take Ashwin food every 

1047
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,320
day, every day, only anytime 
anyway. 

1048
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,440
If you can't make a good, then 
you're not like a real Joe, 

1049
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,560
sorry. 
All right, and last one, Prince 

1050
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,920
Harry, how do you think public 
figures can use humour to bridge

1051
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,840
cultural and societal divides? 
Well, I would say that humour 

1052
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,640
can be very helpful. 
So you have to be careful, 

1053
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,640
especially between various 
cultures. 

1054
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,240
You know M and I, I live in a 
multicultural household and any 

1055
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,600
kind of jokes related to my 
family can be very helpful. 

1056
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,840
So we need to stop joking and 
take it very seriously because 

1057
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,720
unconscious bias is there in 
every single joke that I hear 

1058
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,400
and it's very hurtful. 
And I love my brother and I love

1059
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,840
my family, but it's hurtful. 
God, it's so good. 

1060
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,120
You know, you know what I love 
about your impressions And I 

1061
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,320
appreciate certain 
impressionists who not, they 

1062
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,920
don't do the exact impression, 
but they find something in the 

1063
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,600
impression and they kind of like
exaggerate it a little bit. 

1064
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,800
Like I think like Will Sasso, 
for example, he's like an 

1065
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,920
obscure kind of comedian, but he
he does these amazing 

1066
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,160
impressions. 
They're they're like so 

1067
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,400
exaggerated, but they're funnier
because he found something in 

1068
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,920
the in the impression that like 
no one else found, you know what

1069
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,920
I'm saying? 
You know what I'm saying? 

1070
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,960
So I feel like you, you have 
that, which is really amazing. 

1071
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,240
And before we go, if you could 
just tell our audience where 

1072
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:10,080
they can find you. 
Yeah, I love will Sasso too is 

1073
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,040
his adjust event tour is 
incredible. 

1074
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,680
You know, I I used to live in 
the Bomji where I would do you 

1075
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,200
know he's great. 
I had five dogs and 67 catch. 

1076
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,400
Do you know about the Gulf of 
Tonkin? 

1077
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,920
His is better than mine. 
You can find me at AJ dash 

1078
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,440
comedy on Instagram. 
AJ dash comedy on TikTok. 

1079
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Also, AMI Kozik officials names 
are synonymous AJ Dash comedy or

1080
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,000
AMI Kozik official on Instagram,
TikTok and YouTube. 

1081
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
You can follow me on Twitter at 
AMI Kozak. 

1082
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,080
My podcast is called AMI's 
house, the AMI's house pod AMI's

1083
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,920
house on YouTube and my band is 
called Distant Cousins, Distant 

1084
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,240
cousins official on Instagram. 
We're releasing an album 

1085
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,840
actually in August. 
It will be on tour with 

1086
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360
Matisyahu at the end of the 
summer, so stay tuned for that 

1087
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,680
and more stand up shows coming 
up this summer and throughout 

1088
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,320
into the fall. 
Follow on social media for all 

1089
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,480
of your updates. 
I mean, thank you for for 

1090
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,760
bringing joy to people. 
Thank you for standing up for 

1091
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880
our people. 
Thank you for coming on to our 

1092
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,520
humble pod. 
We appreciate everything and 

1093
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,960
just keep growing, keep going, 
keep growing. 

1094
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,600
Amen. 
Thanks boys. 

1095
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Thank you so much. 
Well, Tooth. 

1096
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:33,320
Yeah.