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Welcome to Judaism Demystified, 
a podcast for the perplexed. 

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Join us as we explore some of 
the most fascinating Jewish and 

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Torah related topics with our 
esteemed guests. 

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By tackling some of the biggest 
questions you likely won't find 

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addressed elsewhere, we aim to 
shed light on important issues 

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and inspire a return to the 
fundamentals. 

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Enjoy the show. 
Thank you, Jaquan Faur for 

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joining us once again on the 
Judaism Demystified podcast. 

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This is your third appearance 
and I apologize for last time. 

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I didn't properly plug you. 
I wanted to tell everyone where 

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they can find you, which is on 
Turat and the Loose, which is on

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YouTube. 
So that's how they can find you.

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And is there anything else you 
would like to plug before we 

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start the podcast? 
No, that's Torah. 

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Tandelus on YouTube is where I 
teach Torah, and I have too many

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Torah classes both in IBR and in
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And on Instagram Rabbi ATV is 
where I have more political 

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content for those who like 
hearing about politics. 

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I try to keep it separate. 
All right, it's very good. 

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So in the previous podcast we 
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and how there's no mitzvah to 
learn Torah all day, nor is this

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the point of the mitzvah. 
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what exactly for audience? 
What exactly is the mitzvah of 

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Limu Torah and how are we to 
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So it's it's an interesting 
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discussed in the Gemara. 
So there's a Gemara in my second

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bed, I thought where Rabishi 
Mumbai and there will be Ishmael

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to Great Naim. 
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perspective on the following 
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One has to work, we have to make
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We need to go out to the field, 
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We need to to see the field. 
We need to to to eventually 

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harvest the bounty. 
So will it be Shimomo? 

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Your high says no, that doesn't 
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So if we're always working in 
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study? 
We won't be able to study. 

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So he says one should study Tara
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That's his opinion and that's 
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his son Libia Azad. 
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time in the Maada and he was in 
the opinion that that's what you

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need to do. 
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want to tell you what the Bishop
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because many people bring the 
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Montvanerhai as a suppose it's 
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where the Kole lifestyle says 
all I'm going to do is tell it 

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all the time, I'm not going to 
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And here you see the Bishim on 
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So it's. 
They bring him as the ideal. 

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They bring him as the ideal. 
Exactly, he's the ideal, 

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correct? 
So I I just want to before we 

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even continue. 
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receive a monthly stipend from 
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one should do so. 
Meaning the Bishop on your 

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highest point does not live off 
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beg people for money and then, 
you know, come to from Israel to

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New York on LL flights and, you 
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different synagogues and then go
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That's incorrect. 
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Bishop moment your high said. 
He never said that. 

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What the Gamala says is this is 
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Dafle Medima that a Bishop 
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The Cave and a miracle of sorts 
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He lived off a carrot tree and 
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He drunk water. 
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that. 
That's how we live, right? 

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So, so the notion I want to I 
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understands we're not talking 
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The question that it be Shimon 
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one work or should one rely on 
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life of poverty and rely on 
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fine. 
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love life of poverty or or he 
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he says essentially rely on a 
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for him indeed. 
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He had the carrot tree and he 
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didn't need anything else And 
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The beach melon, The Gemara says
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And if it's time to harvest the 
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And if it's time to see the 
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you need to do to make up on 
NASA and study Torah and combine

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the two. 
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Usually the Gemara, it has many,
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always conduct an experiment for
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disputes. 
This is one of the interesting 

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cases in the Gemara where they 
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do an experiment, let's do an 
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Let's see who's correct. 
And the Gemara says that I'm 

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going to read it for you. 
It's in Masehat Tera hota 

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lamidar amoud bed. 
And I'm just give me a moment 

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just to find it. 
Masehat Tera hot. 

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I'm on safari you now and I'm 
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it be OK if, would it make sense
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share? 
OK, so let me see if I can share

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it. 
Give me a moment. 

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Share. 
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I just just give you access to 
share so. 

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Thank you. 
And this is share. 

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OK, now I'm sharing now the 
mission I thought up, but that's

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not what I want to share. 
I just switched. 

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Do you see the camera now or do 
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thought up? 
No. 

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We see the camera. 
We see the camera. 

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OK, perfect. 
So look what it says. 

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It says I'm I'm pointing it Amar
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generations of course, after the
B Ishmael and rabishim on Barrio

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High and he says he was the Rosa
Shiva from Bedita and he says as

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follows are there as who could 
be Ishmael be Aleta be a then 

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get a bishim on Barrio High and 
many people did follow the model

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of the Ishmael and it worked. 
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Adam, what is it going to be Ali
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It means the Torah they studied 
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bishim on your hide, many people
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Now, when the bishim on by your 
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It worked. 
He had a special zahu. 

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I'm not sure what it was 
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I don't know. 
Knowledge, kedusha, whatever you

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want to attribute it to. 
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did it himself, it worked. 
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follow him as a model, it didn't
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What does it mean it didn't 
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It means the Torah didn't work. 
Meaning when you have an 

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unlimited amount of time to 
study number one and #2 you have

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no financial responsibilities 
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fill it up and do nothing but 
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It didn't work right now. 
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also the, he was a, he was a 
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was also the, the Roshi Shiva of
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And he says the following 
Bematuta Minaiku, please, I'm 

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asking you, do me a favor. 
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The Omeni son of Yometti Shreye 
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I'm asking. 
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the yeshiva. 
Please don't appear in the 

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yeshiva in the month of Nissan. 
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the month of Tishre Latif 
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Don't be in my presence. 
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these seasons agricultural work 
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And if you come to the yeshiva 
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to be the whole year. 
You're going to be worried about

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panasa. 
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Padmasa. 
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you're worried about Padmasa. 
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consideration, meaning I spoke 
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have all day to do nothing and 
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you have no financial 
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work obligations. 
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It doesn't stimulate the mind. 
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is when a person lives in 
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He has I have to pay the 
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I have to pay the the rent. 
I have to buy food for my 

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children. 
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want you coming to the yeshiva 
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work because otherwise it would 
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NASA. 
I want you out of the Yeshiva, 

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right. 
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read to you this statement. 
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I'm not about to be or Hannah. 
Be sure to be with other to be I

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but would look how. 
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generations are not meeting the 
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earlier generations. 
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the earlier generations, they 
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I'm going to explain what keva 
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Keva means something permanent. 
M lahtam adai. 

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Adai means something less 
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I will explain that. 
Zuba zuna time abedam. 

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They were successful at work. 
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The latter generations, for 
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the work. 
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Torah time adai. 
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And they didn't succeed neither 
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So, so that's what that's what 
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So the Gemana discusses this 
the, the matter. 

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And basically what you see here,
I'm just going to do stop, 

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share, OK. 
What you see in that latter 

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discussion was everybody worked,
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Meaning the dolota is surely 
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The dolota I don't even work. 
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is Keva and the malacha, the 
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the malacha is keva and the 
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keva and the Melaka Arai. 
So my father, Alaba Shalom, he 

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explained to me, what does it 
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the Torah is Arai or vice versa.
So he said when you study Torah,

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what's the main thing you want 
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You want to study Torah. 
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Meaning you feel if, if, if, if,
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didn't work, you don't say, Oh 
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You don't say that, right? 
But if you didn't study Torah 

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that day, meaning usually you 
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didn't study Torah, I said, Oh 
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what I'm supposed to do today. 
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If in your mind you're saying 
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no way I'm not studying Torah 
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I am studying Torah today. 
Come hell or high water, I'm 

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studying Torah because if I 
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of a day. 
You don't say that at that work.

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You're OK. 
I got a day off. 

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This is amazing. 
Let's go to the beach, right? 

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You understand? 
So that's what it means. 

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Keva versus versus Ally. 
I want to read to you. 

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And actually, I want to have a 
conversation with you. 

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Let me. 
Let me, let me talk to you about

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this. 
I think there's a psychological 

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element here. 
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when a person has 
responsibilities, he needs to 

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think about what he's going to 
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He has children who he needs to 
feed, he has a wife, he has a 

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house, he has responsibilities. 
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help the individual mature, 
become serious and be more 

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focused. 
When a person has nothing to do 

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all day. 
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this, I used to go to the the 
the Kolel. 

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I used to study in the Kolel. 
I didn't get paid, but the 

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people around me did. 
It's OK. 

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I'm not in Godfred. 
I'm not criticizing the people I

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studied with, but that's the way
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OK? 
So they they, they, they got 

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their monthly stipend and, and, 
and that's fine. 

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But I noticed I was between 
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I had one year to study. 
OK, in that one year, I did what

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usually takes four years. 
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because I'm brilliant. 
I knew I just have one year to 

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study, right? 
I better, really. 

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So I used to come into the place
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they'd be a tetna Emma newspaper
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OK, well, they want to eat 
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I'm not saying this to to be 
disrespectful. 

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I'd come into the place and I'd 
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text because this is the time I 
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it and I finished a whole lot of
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that are Banu that normally take
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I did it in one year. 
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and studying Torah is not only, 
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it's not something I think it's 
a very good thing. 

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I think people who work and 
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work and they do better with the
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And that's what the Gemala said.
That's what the Gemala says. 

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I want to finish just with 
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permission when Adam Baum writes
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And then I will let you, I will 
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questions. 
So let's do share, OK. 

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And where is Adam Bam? 
Here it is. 

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I'm going to read it for you 
here. 

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I'm not coming. 
No, no. 

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Here it is. 
This is a hotel Mutura peregy 

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man, Alec Aleve Maala Gedola. 
He let me show me Panespi 

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Masiata. 
This is a great thing. 

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It's a tremendous maala. 
That's what he says and he 

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didn't make this up. 
This is from the guy we read the

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game about our last week, I 
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And also the right, this is the,
this is the real Hasid. 

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You want to know. 
You want to know what a Hasid 

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hard. 
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he also studies last week. 
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something negative is anti 
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The Christians, they used to 
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belonged to this world. 
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monasteries and the people in 
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work. 
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talking about, we're talking 
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From the perspective of Judaism,
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There's nothing nicer than an 
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And then at the end of the day 
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study Torah, or the beginning of
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whenever you call the AI team, 
make those permanent times for 

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Tammu Torah. 
That's how you make the misfah 

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of Tammu Torah it. 
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what work does for a person is 
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you have to have discipline and 
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that carries over. 
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Torah, that's exactly what's 
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going to make your learning 
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you study with Torah, you you 
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vice versa, right? 
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each other. 
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of the Torah into action. 
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Kalama Avatano, when we talk 
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the Kayem is called the verte 
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The goal of the Torah is to be 
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our daily lives. 
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nothing but study and, and, and 
he doesn't go out into the, into

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the world and he interacts with,
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other things. 
So that person is missing out on

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the ability to implement the 
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fulfill the Torah in the real 
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So when you go outside, you say,
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you're kind with people, right? 
You try to bring some good to 

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the world. 
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right? 
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for proper behavior. 
So, but you need to go out to 

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the world and interact in order 
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When did this start? 
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mindset or implementation? 
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How did we get here? 
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things. 
I know that in the days of Adam 

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Baum, there were some people who
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because he writes about it in a 
very, very he he's usually not 

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ferocious when he writes things.
In this case, he's ferocious. 

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He says these people that they 
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they're extinguishing Mekhabeim 
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extinguishing the light of our 
law, right? 

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Meaning the Torah is brings 
light to the world and these 

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people, they extinguish life. 
He's really ferocious. 

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I've never seen Adam bomb 
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other cases where he's so 
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Isn't because he have no share 
in the world to come also? 

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Yeah, I mean, he sent me a mere 
estimate to video, right? 

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Of course. 
Correct. 

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Correct. 
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don't want to get into the 
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just as follows, I think there 
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My own opinion. 
I'm not going to support that 

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opinion other than to say that 
in Judaism, in the Gemara, we 

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didn't have it. 
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were exposed to Christian 
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Can I prove it? 
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but that's my own. 
That's that's my own instinct. 

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But nevertheless, we are here 
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expects of us and we know the 
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And it's great if you can work 
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good money and and bring 
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your hard work. 
What a tremendous it is as a Jew

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to do so. 
Absolutely. 

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Thank you for that. 
Thank you for that. 

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So this question is going to 
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your father. 
I love a Shalom horizontal 

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society. 
We're going to ask it in context

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of the concept of of da Torah 
and Ghidulim, which has which 

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has pretty much become the norm 
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read the question. 
The influence of Haredi leaders 

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often hinges on the concepts of 
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that Torah scholars have the 
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matters, even beyond. 
Do you believe these concepts 

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are consistent with Torah 
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What are your thoughts on the 
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ideas within the Haredi 
community? 

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And if you could also tie this 
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and work of your father 
horizontal society, which is 

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really goes hand in hand with 
this question. 

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Yeah. 
Let me start with the first part

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of the question. 
In Judaism, the ultimate source 

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of authority as a Jew, as Jews, 
we know that Musharra Benou was 

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the Shalia of Hakados, Peru. 
He was God's representative to 

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the Jewish people and he was the
representative of the Jewish 

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people to God. 
And we know that God spoke the 

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Torah to Moshella Bennu. 
We know this not because 

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somebody told us. 
We know this not because we we 

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we made some sort of inductive 
or deductive reasoning. 

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We know this because when a 
kadosh who spoke to Moshella 

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Bennu, we experienced that 
speech right. 

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The pasuk says in the Anoki BA E
lecha de AAB he anan BA Abu ish 

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maharam. 
This is the ultimate, ultimate 

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pasuk in defining the source of 
authority, says God to Musharra 

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Beno. 
I am now going to appear to you 

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in the thick fog or cloud. 
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just appear. 
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right? 
The Ahmud Anani, the Bel Alam we

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know other Nadeem have. 
There's a hoot where the Shakina

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descended and it came in the 
form of an Anand because you 

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can't see the Shakina in that 
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Why am I doing this by Abu 
Ishmael Ambedaberima? 

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I want the Jewish people to hear
when I speak with you. 

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I want them to experience me 
speaking with you and, and, and 

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why they run the high because 
when they experience this, they 

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would have had a direct 
experience of God speaking to 

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Moshe and therefore they have no
doubt, we have no doubt the 

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nation as a nation experience 
God speaking to Moshe Lebanon. 

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So the ultimate source of 
authority is Moshe. 

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Only Moshe and no one else but 
Moshe has the right to speak in 

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the name of God and say these 
are the tally yag Missvault. 

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These are the 613 Missvault. 
You may never subtract and you 

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may never add and you may never 
modify the Missvault as a 

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representative of God, meaning 
of God. 

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You can't say, oh, you know, 
until now we were praying once a

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day. 
God told me that from now on we 

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have to be praying the rice 
today. 

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You can't do that. 
You cannot modify the Torah 

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because the Torah was given to 
Moshe Albanu. 

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We experience God speaking to 
Moshe Albanu and any the Oraital

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law comes exclusively and solely
from Moshe Albanu. 

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This is the foundation of all of
Judaism. 

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So any authority other than 
Moscherabenu is a secondary 

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authority. 
What does that mean by secondary

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authority? 
We mean as follows. 

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That one Moscherabenu gave us 
the oraital laws, right? 

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Hananbam refers to this as the 
Usul in Arabic uses the word 

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usul like the it's like you have
a tree and the tree has it's the

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the trunk, it's a stable. 
It never changes, but the trunk 

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has many branches. 
That's called the furrow. 

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The furrow is like the the, the 
offshoots of the tree. 

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So the the soul comes from Moshe
Abedo. 

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That never changes. 
And nobody can give us another 

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soul. 
Nobody can come and say, you 

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know what? 
God spoke to me. 

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I had a dream. 
I'm an Avi. 

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An Angel spoke to me. 
We don't care, we don't get, I 

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mean, it's nice if somebody has 
a dream. 

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It's great. 
I have dreams all the time. 

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And I mean, I don't mean that 
facetiously. 

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I have dreams of Tala all the 
time. 

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As much as I love these dreams 
and I'm very enamored of myself 

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having these dreams, I, I 
recognize that this is not a 

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source of law, right? 
Meaning I'm not going to wake up

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in the morning and tell my wife,
honey, you have to pray four 

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times a day. 
I just saw that in the dream. 

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Well, it's, it's, it's 
meaningless from the perspective

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of authority, of meaning, me 
becoming an authority as to what

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the Torah says or doesn't say, 
my dreams, you know, my 

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intuition, my greatness or 
somebody else's dreams or 

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somebody else's greatness is not
relevant to the question of 

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authority. 
So there was primaries. 

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Primary authority lies with 
Moshe Rodeno, secondary 

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authority that lies with the 
judicial and legislative body of

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the Jewish people, which is 
known as the Sanhedrin or the 

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Bettina Gadol. 
We don't always have a sunny 

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dream of 71. 
That was in the Lishkatta Gazeet

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in the Beta Mikdash. 
Later on the Beta Mikdash was 

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destroyed, so we had a Bettina 
Gadol. 

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And this authority is a 
secondary authority. 

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It is created by the Torah in 
Parachatra Petim, explicitly not

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assuming. 
So they have authority, but that

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authority derives from the 613 
Mesotha Musharraf. 

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Then who gave us, right? 
So nobody reaches the level of 

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Moshe Raven. 
Now, if the Sun Hadrian or the 

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Bettina Gadol makes a pesa 
calaja, they can make a gezera, 

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a decree, a takana. 
They can make minhag. 

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They can. 
There's many things that Bettina

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Gadol can do. 
Of course, they cannot undo 

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anything that Moshe Raven gave 
us. 

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But, but, but in the furu, in 
the branches, they can make new 

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rules. 
I'll give you an example. 

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I'll give you an example just so
you see where I'm coming from. 

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The Moschella Benaltova Zahole 
Thomas about the cut the show. 

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OK, Remember the Shabbat or or 
declare usually Zahollan in in 

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Jewish thinking is to say 
something, right? 

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To make a declaration about a 
past event, right. 

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So make a declaration Al 
Khameem, say Dohrejo Alayan. 

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They can do that. 
They have the authority. 

444
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,840
They have the authority to 
interpret the whole that was 

445
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,200
given to us by Musharra Banu. 
Musharra Banu didn't give us too

446
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,120
much, too many details as to how
we make that declaration. 

447
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,000
The hakami said we want to 
explain this. 

448
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,640
That's called the Dean Mufla. 
You're going to be making that 

449
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000
declaration on a cup of wine. 
OK, they can do that. 

450
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,800
You understand? 
Now, as far as individuals, do 

451
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,920
individuals have any authority 
as such? 

452
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,680
The answer is an individual has 
authority to the extent that 

453
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,320
he's telling you what the Allah 
is, meaning no individual has 

454
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,320
the right to make up laws. 
No individual can say, you know 

455
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,160
the Allah Isaac did because I 
said so, because I'm greater 

456
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,480
than you, because I'm smarter 
than you. 

457
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,080
That's not the way Judaism 
works. 

458
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,920
We love smart people. 
We love great people. 

459
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Of course, Needless to say, but 
the Jewish system works as 

460
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,920
follows. 
You either are founded on the 

461
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,240
primary authority of Moshe 
Abedne, with the secondary 

462
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,040
authority of the Sunny Dream, 
acting as a legislative and 

463
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,280
judicial body of the Jewish 
people. 

464
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,360
But there's no authority. 
So, for example, in my opinion, 

465
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,720
we shouldn't have we shouldn't 
have fish and and chips. 

466
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,080
I think fish and chips shouldn't
go together. 1 is negative 

467
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,680
energy, the other is positive 
energy. 

468
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,840
The fish is fried in oil and the
chips is fried in oil. 

469
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,640
OK, it's a nice idea that we 
have mixed the negative and the 

470
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,680
positive and you destroy the 
world. 

471
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,680
OK, maybe I'm right. 
Maybe the world will get 

472
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,120
destroyed. 
But I have no authority as an 

473
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,720
individual to create a law that 
wasn't given to us either by the

474
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160
Sunny Dream or by Michelle 
Abeno, Right. 

475
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,480
So and even if I'm great, even 
if I'm the greatest person 

476
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,360
alive, I'm the smartest person, 
the greatest person alive. 

477
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,160
I can stick a needle through the
town load. 

478
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,920
And I'll tell you exactly stop 
the needle. 

479
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,280
OK? 
You know the word Imam now? 

480
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,920
And you open it up and there it 
is right there, the word Imam. 

481
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920
That's what the needle stop. 
That's very impressive. 

482
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,640
But that's not the basis for 
authority, you understand? 

483
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,920
So this is this is an important 
point. 

484
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,080
I think I don't need to say more
on that particular topic unless 

485
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,120
you want me to address it. 
There's there's a other second 

486
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,720
part of the question. 
Before I get to the second part 

487
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,920
of the question, I just want to 
see whether you have any 

488
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,280
follow-ups. 
Of course what? 

489
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,680
People will say today is that 
like you mentioned the 

490
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,280
individual, but what people will
say is, well, the majority today

491
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,240
think a certain way and the 
majority rules is no longer 

492
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960
applicable. 
So, so I think that's something 

493
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,520
that needs to be kind of 
clarified. 

494
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,240
Meaning if the entire if if the 
entire religious Jewish world 

495
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:22,200
have embraced this way of of of 
hierarchy or way of doing 

496
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,280
things. 
The Das Torah. 

497
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Das Torah and then, then, then, 
who are we to come in now, you 

498
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000
know? 
Yeah, we're we're just the 

499
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,920
minority opinions. 
How could we say how could you 

500
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,720
say this? 
How? 

501
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,680
How could the how could have 
not? 

502
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320
I'm not going to say a name, but
let's say how can this Godola 

503
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,560
not known what you're saying 
right now? 

504
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,480
Right, OK, I mean, let's, let's 
let's unpack it in in a few 

505
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,440
different directions. 
So first of all, on the fact 

506
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,600
that everybody says something or
everybody does something is 

507
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,640
irrelevant. 
It's either conforms with the 

508
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,080
halacha or it doesn't conform 
with halacha, the basis for 

509
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Jewish law and for Jewish 
behavior. 

510
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520
It's what Allah Khan says. 
It's not what everyone does. 

511
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,320
There is no basis for the idea 
that because everybody says 

512
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280
something, we must do it. 
The Pasuka Harera Dimlehat talk 

513
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800
means very simply that when you 
have the son and dream, there 

514
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,720
could be a disagreement in the 
son and they're going to have a 

515
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,160
vote and they're going to do a 
majority vote. 

516
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560
It doesn't mean that if you have
a lot of 35 ameha artists who 

517
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,960
don't know that they all think 
that we have to turn the back to

518
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,480
the that we have to turn the 
back to the, I mean, that's just

519
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,120
ignorance, right? 
So I'll give you a great example

520
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,720
in halacha and Amban brings the 
following law and he brings the 

521
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,120
law. 
This is a great example. 

522
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Actually, I like this example. 
So let's say the halacha is that

523
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040
somebody has to leave power. 
This is actually pereshot Ki 

524
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480
Tessa, right? 
This this week's pereshot 

525
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,600
brought the law power, OK? 
It brought the law power in the 

526
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,760
case of actually trees, but OK, 
and pereshot Kiloshim. 

527
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
It brings a law of pay as well 
in the context of the field. 

528
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,960
So it says like this, the law of
pay is every the anime go in and

529
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,880
they get to harvest a particular
portion of the field. 

530
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
That's the way it works. 
So if I'm a big guy and I'm 

531
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720
strong, I'd probably get more 
than that person over there. 

532
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Maybe he's small and he's weak, 
but that's the way the law 

533
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,240
works. 
Now let's say there's A10 anime.

534
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,800
Obama was the following case. 
There's 10 poor people and none 

535
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,520
of them say, you know what, 
guys, this isn't nice. 

536
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,360
We're going to go into the 
field. 

537
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,760
We're all going to be fighting. 
Everybody's going to be trying 

538
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200
to get more than the other. 
How about we have the following 

539
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,680
idea. 
Let's all go in together. 

540
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,600
We'll divide everything equally.
Steven even. 

541
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,200
And the one on, he says, no, 
that's not. 

542
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
I don't want to do it that way. 
Who do we listen to, Donnie? 

543
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Don't we listen to that one, 
honey? 

544
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,560
Because the pursuit says lottier
Haderabim let out the same 

545
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,280
pursuit that says, says lottier 
Haderabim let out. 

546
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,600
You do not follow the mistaken 
view of the majority. 

547
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,360
So this is the majority does 
something is, is a complete 

548
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520
irrelevancy. 
I mean, there is a, we're not a,

549
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
we're not a democracy. 
You know, you want to work. 

550
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Since when the Jewish law does 
not depend on the democratic 

551
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,960
will of the people. 
I mean, with all due respect, 

552
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,840
that that's nonsensical. 
With the Rob's permission, can I

553
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,840
can I just go a little bit more 
into that for a second if 

554
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,120
possible? 
Yeah. 

555
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,640
And I'm basing this off of 
discussions that I've had with 

556
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,320
many people, people who want to 
serve God properly. 

557
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,880
They mean well and they want to 
understand. 

558
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Of course my assumption is 
everybody does wants to do so I.

559
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Agree. 
Yes, Yeah, I'm just, I'm just 

560
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
saying if we're just for the for
the audience. 

561
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,280
Of course. 
I think that the problem that a 

562
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:55,840
lot of people have is that to 
them, if the overwhelming or the

563
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,720
prevailing system of das rang 
dulim is basically the 

564
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,120
prevailing system, to them, if 
this is a incorrect system, then

565
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,600
in their minds, what's going on?
And I, and this is coming from a

566
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,200
little bit of a they think, 
well, how could have Hashem 

567
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:22,320
allowed for such a grave error 
to essentially take over for 

568
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,480
hundreds of years now where like
to them, it's like, why would 

569
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,160
Hashem steer us so wrong? 
I mean, all we're trying to do 

570
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,280
is follow the great rabbis and, 
and so we can serve Hashem if 

571
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,640
the system is, is incorrect and 
we've been LED astray, you know,

572
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,400
with not on purpose necessarily,
but from, from just the 

573
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
incorrect system, why would 
Hashem allow that? 

574
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Why would Hashem allow such a 
situation to exist? 

575
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
From my conversations with 
people, some of them say it 

576
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,400
outright, some of them don't say
it outright. 

577
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,320
But my feeling is that this is 
the this is really what's going 

578
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200
on inside them that that's 
giving them a hard time 

579
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:10,360
understanding this. 
Yeah, I mean, let me let me say 

580
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,199
the following The Messiah didn't
come yet, did he? 

581
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,360
No. 
So the the notion that there's 

582
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,719
nothing we can do to improve 
ourselves, one might say it's a 

583
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,199
bit arrogant. 
Since when did God said? 

584
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,080
When did God tell Jeremiah, I 
know you're all making a 

585
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,960
mistake, That's really my fault?
I shouldn't be letting you do 

586
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,199
that. 
Is that the way Judaism works? 

587
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,360
I, I thought the way it works is
we, we do a lot of bad things 

588
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,199
and that's what God sends the 
Naveen. 

589
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
We finally decided to kill off 
the Naveen and God said, you 

590
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,320
know what, enough of that, 
right? 

591
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160
As long as we didn't kill them 
all, though, God kept sending 

592
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,600
more and more and more naveen to
try to like, tell us guys, 

593
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,400
you're, you're doing this wrong.
This isn't, this isn't what I 

594
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,840
want, right? 
That's all God can do, right? 

595
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,240
I mean, God doesn't the idea of 
the hit off of sheet, and this 

596
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:15,040
is one of the foundations of 
Judaism, is that we choose and 

597
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,200
we can choose to do bad things. 
And many times we do very bad 

598
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,560
things. 
That's not going to interfere in

599
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,320
our lives, the consequences of 
what we do. 

600
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,720
Yeah, he might punish us. 
I didn't say not going to punish

601
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:32,080
us or reward us, right. 
But the notion that somehow, you

602
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
know, why would God let us do 
something wrong? 

603
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,920
God's not letting us do 
something wrong. 

604
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,920
God gave us some small God gave 
us and all the great Hakamin who

605
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,240
are teaching us Torah and, and 
now we're going to blame God for

606
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:48,400
our fault. 
Why didn't God teach us? 

607
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,400
He did teach us. 
So the problem and the problem 

608
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,640
is, and really what this really 
stems from is from when, from 

609
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,680
when people are in yeshiva 
early, early on, the concept 

610
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,200
that is being drilled, 
especially when they're young 

611
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,640
into their minds is Hashka 
pratit. 

612
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,160
And when we say Ashka pratit and
you Shiva, it's not Ashka 

613
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:12,000
pratit. 
You know, with the mood Eun. 

614
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,520
And what exactly that entails 
doesn't entail you, you read and

615
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,240
you don't have to go to the rum,
but you don't have to go to 

616
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:19,120
Haram Bam, you can go to all the
Rishonim. 

617
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,960
All the Rishonim have a hard 
time getting to the bottom of 

618
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,400
Ashka pratit. 
It's not a simple concept, but 

619
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,840
what's happening is, is that 
this concept is being thrown out

620
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,840
there. 
Oversimplification, 

621
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
oversimplification, thank you. 
Oversimplification. 

622
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,040
And it's being etched in their 
mind so that it's very difficult

623
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,920
for them to see anything outside
of, well, if Hashem wanted to 

624
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
happen, it happens. 
This is what's happened. 

625
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,960
No, it's it's caval and I'm 
lamenting it, but it is what's 

626
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
going on. 
They're putting the onus on God,

627
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,080
that's the problem. 
This is the root of the problem 

628
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,480
that this this 
oversimplification and not a no 

629
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,920
no rigor. 
In but here's here's here's I 

630
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,720
think. 
He's important if I can. 

631
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,840
If I can maybe get into a little
bit more than that, I apologize.

632
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,160
I think, I think the issue that 
they, they're having in the, in 

633
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,520
the Das Toro world is that 
they've put kind of, it's not 

634
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,760
about putting the onus on God, 
but they kind of, I, I hate to 

635
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,360
say it, but you know, kind of 
deification of the rabbis where 

636
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,400
the rabbi cannot make a mistake.
So if the rabbi is in the place 

637
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,560
of, kind of like, if he's in a 
place of, he's a spokesperson 

638
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,280
for God, how can we question 
whether or not like, who am I to

639
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
say anything? 
Are you, are you the Benny 

640
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,520
Schrei? 
Are you the, you know, that's 

641
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,200
always what they throw at you. 
And, and if you dare challenge 

642
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,400
such a notion, you know, you're,
you're ostracized. 

643
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,840
So I think that's really I, I, I
don't know. 

644
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,840
Yeah, there is that notion. 
It it, it comes from 

645
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Christianity, of course, because
in Judaism and and one of the 

646
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,400
fundamental was what in Judaism 
is Taurasi Balano, Moshe 

647
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Morasaki, Latya club. 
We teach our children the Torah,

648
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,240
we teach them the Torah about 
that. 

649
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,320
We teach them the Torah. 
We teach them how to read. 

650
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,520
We teach them how to connect 
letters and part of being a Jew.

651
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,560
And every Jew has an obligation 
to study Torah and to understand

652
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,160
the laws in the Torah. 
This is not a law that applies 

653
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,040
to the so-called Gadolim, right?
Every individual has an 

654
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,480
obligation to study. 
Now we have an entire massifet 

655
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,120
in the gamma light called 
Massacre Torayo. 

656
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,960
What happens if the holiest 
person in AMI Slayel, the Kohen 

657
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Gadol, makes a mistake? 
Did you just say the Kohen 

658
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,320
Gadol? 
Isn't he the one who goes into 

659
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,440
the college? 
College team war? 

660
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Who are you? 
Who are you to speak about the 

661
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,480
Kohengadol? 
Well, I mean, if you make some 

662
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,720
mistake, you made a mistake, 
right? 

663
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,680
And we have a Torah. 
The Torah is a very you know, 

664
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,160
it's an equal standard to all, 
right? 

665
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,400
It applies the same to the 
Kohengadol as it applies to a 

666
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,960
simple pauper, a harvesting 
field in the in the wheat. 

667
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,600
I'm sorry, harvesting wheat in 
the field, right. 

668
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,040
It doesn't matter who it is now 
also deals with another 

669
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600
situation. 
What if the political authority 

670
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,560
makes a mistake because there's 
people who have ideological 

671
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,880
concepts about the leader or 
whether it's the head of the 

672
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Communist Party or whether. 
Well, I don't want to talk about

673
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,840
contemporary politics, but I 
think you all know what I was 

674
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,160
about to say. 
Doesn't matter. 

675
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,720
The point is people, they have 
an irrational feeling about 

676
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,360
leaders who can't make mistakes.
So are you saying the king can 

677
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,840
make a mistake? 
Well, yes, According to my 

678
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,760
Secretary Royote, he can. 
It's a right. 

679
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,960
OK, but what about the dailing? 
Oh, my Secretary Royote also 

680
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,440
deals with the greatest doyline 
with the Jewish people. 

681
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,520
They're sitting in the sunny 
dream, right? 

682
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,520
These doyline. 
What happens if they make a 

683
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,560
mistake? 
How can we say that? 

684
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,520
So how can we say this? 
The answer is we're not 

685
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,600
Christians. 
That's all very simple. 

686
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,040
You wanted a question 
epistemology and say, yes, we 

687
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,800
are. 
We are we, we have Saints. 

688
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
We have, you know, we can't make
a mistake. 

689
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
No problem. 
I mean, you know, fair, fair 

690
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,520
enough. 
Choose your religion and then go

691
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,360
accordingly. 
You want Christianity? 

692
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,360
You have Saints, you have, you 
want Judaism, you have people or

693
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,680
human beings will be Akiva 
supported by Kukva. 

694
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,800
It looks like he might have been
wrong about that. 

695
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,920
I mean, I think the 90% of the 
Jewish population of Judea that 

696
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,800
was massacred by the Romans 
might say that the be Akiva, who

697
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,440
by the way, I've considered it 
to be maybe one of the greatest 

698
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,840
Talaim ever, simply one of the 
great like it's was. 

699
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,680
If it wasn't for it to be Akiba,
I don't know where we would be 

700
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,840
today because he's the one who 
started this whole organization 

701
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,760
of the Tarasaba Alpet that 
eventually was completed by the 

702
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Benoit Kadosh put that on the 
side. 

703
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,560
I think the 90% of the Jews that
were massacred by the Romans 

704
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,680
pursuant to the 90% of the Jews 
in Judea that were massacred by 

705
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,200
the Romans pursuant to the 
Barucha Revolution might think 

706
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,840
that he made a mistake in 
supporting Barucha. 

707
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,160
So this whole notion is 
completely questioned and far 

708
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,520
into Judaism. 
I mean, you don't see anything 

709
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
like this in the Gemara. 
You don't see this in the Sifra,

710
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,800
the Sifred, the Makita. 
Did you ever hear anybody say 

711
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680
anything like who are you and 
where do you see that? 

712
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,280
I think that's the most 
beautiful thing about the the 

713
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Tanakh is that it's just a 
recording. 

714
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,000
All of our mistakes, our 
leaders, our, our holy ones, us,

715
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
everybody, we're just even 
Moshe, even Davi, they're, 

716
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,000
they're constantly making 
mistakes. 

717
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,960
And, and that's the whole point.
The, the whole point of it is 

718
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
that like we are allowed to make
mistakes. 

719
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,400
We're expected to make mistakes.
And all of a sudden today 

720
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,520
there's a different, it's a 
different structure. 

721
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,440
It's like a, it's like a 
dynastic leadership. 

722
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600
You know, a father passes away 
and his son becomes the leader. 

723
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,200
And that, that wasn't the way it
was. 

724
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,760
So like this, this is what we're
dealing with today. 

725
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
It's very difficult to have 
these kinds of conversations 

726
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,880
because you can kind of get 
quote UN quote cancelled. 

727
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,080
And I, and I want to make clear 
because it's a sensitive topic 

728
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,160
and this is not about in any way
to demean or to, you know, it's 

729
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440
not about that. 
It's, it's a, it's a problem 

730
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:18,240
which which we want to 
contribute towards getting to a 

731
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,320
healthier place overall for the 
redeem for ourselves, for 

732
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,320
everyone. 
It's not about putting anyone 

733
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,200
down. 
It's not about disrespecting 

734
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,320
Khastra Khalila. 
It's not, it's, it's about 

735
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:33,840
identifying a problem and seeing
how we can go about and and 

736
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,600
fixing it. 
That's all it is right now. 

737
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Yeah, of course I I agree. 
I think the people are 

738
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,880
misinformed. 
I think we discussed in the last

739
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,840
podcast, because we live in a 
Western society, Western norms 

740
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,400
are more attractive to us. 
And therefore I speak about 

741
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Christianity, the idea that we 
somehow live in Christian 

742
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,760
countries and we wouldn't get 
affected by them. 

743
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,720
I mean, well, you know, my 
father, that's one of the things

744
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,160
he discusses in the Shadow of 
History. 

745
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,840
He shows a clear relationship 
between some of the trends in 

746
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,000
some parts of Spain and some 
parts of Germany and some parts 

747
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,400
of France and Christian trends 
that were taking place and that 

748
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,160
which which eventually led to 
the Athena against Halam bomb, 

749
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,160
right in Barcelona and other 
places. 

750
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,920
So why would we think that we 
are immune from mental 

751
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,160
assimilation to Christian values
where we see that we're actually

752
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,120
imitating the Christians in 
their view of sainthood? 

753
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,960
I mean, it's, it's very obvious 
what's happening. 

754
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,360
But this is far into Judaism. 
This is foreign to the Torah. 

755
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Again, we have an entire Maseta 
based on the end of parasha by 

756
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,960
Ikla Ashel Nasiya Haita, and 
that's a king. 

757
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,800
The e-mail Ineha Kahala 
established Gaga. 

758
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,560
If they made a mistake, the 
sunny dream, the greatest 

759
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,520
doyline ever. 
What happens if they made a 

760
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,000
mistake? 
So right there in the Torah 

761
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,520
given to us by Moshe. 
Amazing. 

762
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,840
And for Part 2, because your 
father's book, Horizontal 

763
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Society, it's impossible to put 
it in a in a few minutes, but 

764
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,520
we're going to ask you to try 
anyway. 

765
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,240
If you could talk about the 
book, it it does apply to what 

766
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:20,040
we've been talking now with 
Gadolin, but also in general, if

767
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,720
you can talk about horizontal 
society. 

768
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:35,240
OK, Chapter 5, in the middle of 
the chapter, it has a list of 

769
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,760
things, 10 things that were 
created. 

770
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:45,920
Dana Shimashot, Asara devarim 
Nivreu, the idol of Shabbat, 

771
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Dana Shimashot. 10 things were 
created, Meaning after God 

772
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,960
finished the creation there was 
an additional thing, 10 things 

773
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
that were created during the 
twilight, right? 

774
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,640
And then it has a list, 
miraculous things, Pihadis, the 

775
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,440
earth that opened up and 
swallowed Korah, Piabe Air, the 

776
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,520
water that followed the Jewish 
people 40 years through the 

777
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,400
desert, and other things. 
Pihaton the Atom speaks 

778
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,480
beautifully, right? 
Lamaze, Kitani, other things. 

779
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,720
Then towards the end of the 
list, it has the following 

780
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:26,280
towards Hakitav Behemoth. 
Usually the word khetab, 

781
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,320
Milashon nikhdov, it's 
interpreted to mean the letters 

782
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,720
meaning and writing. 
It's not clear that what does 

783
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,080
that mean? 
Letters in writing? 

784
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,240
What's the distinction between 
letters? 

785
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,360
The writing? 
It's not, it's not entirely 

786
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,880
this. 
This concept hasn't been fully 

787
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,000
developed. 
He says the following. 

788
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,960
He associates the Khetab like 
the standard explanation with 

789
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,240
the actual letters. 
But then he says the Mikhailov 

790
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:09,480
is the ability to connect the 
letters and create words. 

791
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,800
Or if I may put it in more 
scientific terms, there is a 

792
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:20,720
mental faculty that allows a 
person to look at letters and 

793
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:25,520
join the letters and recognize 
words which have specific 

794
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,200
meanings. 
So I want to look at this a 

795
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,360
little more deeply. 
And right, this is my father. 

796
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,600
This is all from my father in 
horizontal society. 

797
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,680
OK, so obviously I can credit 
what credit is due, Needless to 

798
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,800
say. 
So Ketab is the it's not just 

799
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:48,600
letters, it's the ability to 
create a visual system of signs.

800
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,880
The signs are letters, but these
signs, they stand for phonetic 

801
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,080
sounds. 
It's very interesting. 

802
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,280
For example, in Egyptian 
hieroglyphics, the signs stand 

803
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,600
for a particular thing out there
in the world, right? 

804
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,160
So maybe something looks like a 
cow. 

805
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,480
A picture of a cow represents 
the cow in the actual world. 

806
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,120
But what's amazing here is that 
you have this Kitab system and 

807
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,240
the Kitab system it's letters. 
And they stand for phonetics. 

808
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,280
OK, But there's something even 
deeper here in the Hebrew 

809
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,480
language, because an American 
in, in, in, in English, rather, 

810
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,960
the letters have vowels. 
So when you look at a word, CA 

811
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,840
is a vowel T. 
So it's you put the letters 

812
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,760
together, right, the ketav, and 
you have the word cat. 

813
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,680
What's interesting is that in 
Jewish writing, the letters 

814
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,680
stand for consonants, right? 
So what you have in Jewish 

815
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,680
writing is an unpronounceable 
phonetic sound. 

816
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,320
That's crazy, right? 
So we have this system, what we 

817
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,880
call the Aleph bet, which are 
actually unpronounceable sounds,

818
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,920
right? 
So when you have a text and you 

819
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,840
open up the Torah and you want 
to read the Torah, what you have

820
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,840
is an unpronounceable sequence 
of letters, each one of these 

821
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
letters standing, but each one 
of these letters a different 

822
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,800
consonant standing for a 
different phonetic sound. 

823
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,840
The now you understand the 
mishap system. 

824
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:40,120
The mishap system is the mental 
process and the apparatus 

825
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:44,400
through which these 
unpronounceable, the consonants 

826
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,480
are synthesized by adding vowels
and then join together to make 

827
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:55,600
readable words. 
So that's the Kitab system and 

828
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,320
the Mitab system. 
It's it's, it's, it's really 

829
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,160
what when, when when the 
Hakamine said, I said it gives 

830
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,520
you all these miracles. 
And then you see Kitab and 

831
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,000
Miktabi say what's so miraculous
about Kitab and Miktab? 

832
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,280
But the fact that our mind can 
create this ketab system, or 

833
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,080
maybe that that was given 
doesn't matter. 

834
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,240
Either way, Armand got it right.
This is an amazing thing. 

835
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,320
Why would anybody? 
I couldn't understand why you 

836
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,600
make hieroglyphics. 
OK, I want to make. 

837
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,760
I'm going to sell my cow. 
I'm going to make a picture of a

838
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,080
cow. 
Cow. 

839
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,200
You know, I give it to you. 
Whatever, right? 

840
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,160
What is this thing about 
letters, right? 

841
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
And unpronounceable letters 
because no vowels in Hebrew. 

842
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,520
In the writing right now, I 
wanted to say this. 

843
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,480
One of the great differences 
between the Torah and the Quran,

844
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,560
for example, is that, as I said,
the Torah has no vowels. 

845
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,360
The reader needs to supply the 
vowels. 

846
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,920
The Quran has a vocalized text. 
It's called the Harakat, right? 

847
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,320
On the other hand, is separate, 
which has vowels. 

848
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,320
Now a Sephora Torah which has 
vowels is Pasu. 

849
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,520
You can't read from it in 
public, right? 

850
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:17,040
So what we see here is that in 
order to generate meaning, in 

851
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,960
order to transform this series 
of non pronounceable phonetic 

852
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:29,600
symbols into something readable 
with meaning, there has to be an

853
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,000
interaction between the reader 
and the text, right? 

854
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:42,640
So when God communicates to the 
Jewish people, he communicates 

855
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,800
to the Jewish people through the
system either the written text. 

856
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:55,520
But when he speaks, the pasuk 
says the whole Haram wrote in 

857
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,520
ETA Kolot. 
You saw the sounds. 

858
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,760
Now these sounds are the 
unpronounceable phonetic, let's 

859
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,920
call it aleph, bed, e-mail, No, 
no, no vowels, right? 

860
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,320
So God is speaking to the a 
people, to a nation who are 

861
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,520
alphabetic and who can take the 
colot and they can hear Anokhi, 

862
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Adonai, Eloheja, Asher, 
Ponsetika, Maeres, Mesrine, the 

863
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,280
dead, Abaddim, no ELEC, 
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 

864
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,920
God is speaking to an alphabetic
people. 

865
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
That's almost miraculous, by the
way, that we have the ability to

866
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:46,360
to do that, right? 
So that's one type of 

867
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,400
intelligence. 
Hebrew intelligence is 

868
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,720
alphabetic intelligence. 
And we spoke last week a little 

869
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,520
about Greek where everything is 
visual. 

870
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,280
There's these things, shapes 
and, and, and Hebrew we're 

871
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,080
hearing and we connect things, 
right? 

872
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,160
So let's look at the other 
world. 

873
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,400
Let's look at what my father 
refers to as an alphabetic 

874
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,800
speech, right? 
So an, an alphabetic speech and 

875
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,960
most people, this is most 
Gentiles, most Jews as well. 

876
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Unfortunately, there is an an 
alphabetic aspect to speech 

877
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,240
which predominates a lot of 
discourse today. 

878
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:35,720
Where there was a there was a 
certain phonetic contour towards

879
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,840
and this phonetic contour 
represents the actual thing, 

880
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,400
right? 
This is this is related to 

881
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,480
metaphysics, where in 
metaphysics you have objective 

882
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,240
truths. 
So the purpose of speech is to 

883
00:52:53,240 --> 00:53:01,400
conjure up that truth. 
Let me read to you. 

884
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:07,240
Let me see if I can find this. 
Let me read to you what Ernst 

885
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,640
Cassiar says. 
He was a prominent figure in the

886
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,920
Neocampian movement, and he 
explored some of these ideas of 

887
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,040
an alphabetic. 
And if you just give me a 

888
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,960
moment, I think I did this 
before. 

889
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,800
Yes, here it is the notion that 
the name meaning the word and 

890
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,920
essence meaning what the word 
signifies. 

891
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:40,440
There are necessary and internal
relation to each other that the 

892
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,800
name does not merely denote, but
actually is the essence of its 

893
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,560
object. 
This is magical thinking. 

894
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:54,640
So abracadabra is from the 
Hebrew word Evra abra Evra 

895
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,640
cadabra as I speak, because in 
an alphabetic speech the word 

896
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,200
contains the essence of the 
thing. 

897
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Now let me ask you a question. 
So if there was a truth out 

898
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:17,880
there that is independent of 
text, let's say, and this truth 

899
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,200
just exists out there, and then 
the word somehow capture this 

900
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,280
truth, who can tell us what that
truth is? 

901
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,240
Now in Jewish alphabetic 
thinking, truth derives from 

902
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,040
text because the text was spoken
to the Jewish people and we have

903
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,360
alphabetic minds and we generate
meaning by interacting with the 

904
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,240
text. 
So the ultimate frame of 

905
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,760
reference for any system from 
any truth is the Torah, right? 

906
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,960
There's two books, actually. 
We have the Torah and we have 

907
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,400
the cosmological book, the 
creation of the universe. 

908
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,360
But let me ask you, in the case 
of metaphysics, in the case of 

909
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,200
an alphabetic thinking, who's 
going to tell me what the truth 

910
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,520
out there is? 
What do you think? 

911
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,960
How can I know? 
Maybe I'm a simple person. 

912
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:10,400
So. 
So the answer is you need what's

913
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,080
called, and I'm probably 
mispronouncing, mispronouncing 

914
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,720
this word, but you need what's 
called the your patient 

915
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,600
mentioned to, which basically is
analogous to the idea of the 

916
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,400
God, though the Europe agent 
mentioned, Tombs is an 

917
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,440
individual who has some sort of 
access to the infinite because 

918
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,880
he's a philosopher and he's been
versed in the philosophies and 

919
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,280
this person will guide us to the
truth. 

920
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,440
I'm a simple person. 
I never studied philosophy. 

921
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,840
I never opened up the book of 
Aristotle. 

922
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,120
I once tried to open up Plato's 
Republic, but I fell asleep 

923
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,320
after about 15 seconds. 
So I need a Europe page. 

924
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,960
You're a patient mention tombs 
to tell me the truth, right? 

925
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,680
Does that sound familiar to to 
anybody here? 

926
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,040
So why am I saying well this? 
So you have these two systems of

927
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,600
truth. 
One is metaphysical where you 

928
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,920
need a Europe patient mention 
tomb like a God go, and the 

929
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,320
other is textual, alphabetic. 
Those are the two systems of 

930
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:16,800
truth in the world. 
As a Jew, I feel that it's our 

931
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:23,680
responsibility to study the text
of the Torah and to use the text

932
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,880
of the Torah as the ultimate 
source for truth. 

933
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,160
And it doesn't mean that I 
exclude other people, Of course 

934
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,400
not. 
But the ultimate criteria for 

935
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,960
truth will be determined by the 
Torah and the authorities that 

936
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,480
the Torah establishes. 
That's in stark contrast to the 

937
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,560
vertical society. 
So in a horizontal society, my 

938
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,120
parents taught me how to read my
father, I love a Shalom brought 

939
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,760
Micky Carey. 
I love a Shalom to my house. 

940
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,160
I know how to read the Torah. 
I know how to read the whole 

941
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,040
Torah from the book of Bereshi 
to the book of the video. 

942
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,160
I mean, I know the rules of 
reading. 

943
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,200
I know the I mean for each book 
I read perfectly. 

944
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Baruch Hashem, my father taught 
me right. 

945
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,360
I read, I know what the I know 
what the words say. 

946
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,240
And furthermore, I studied the 
Torah, Shabar Alphet. 

947
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,880
My father taught me Torah right.
And I studied Torah every single

948
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,520
day of my life. 
There's nothing special about 

949
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,720
me. 
It's not that I have an IQ of 

950
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,760
200, because I had an IQ of 200.
I can tell you something. 

951
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:27,000
No, I just followed the path 
that the Torah tells us all to 

952
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,240
follow. 
Study Torah. 

953
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,800
Learn how to read. 
You have to read properly with 

954
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Tamim and study Torah and study 
every single day of your life. 

955
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,440
Take studying seriously. 
And that's the path. 

956
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,760
So my truth is based on the 
Torah. 

957
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,880
It's an alphabetic truth. 
Now, I know that in some 

958
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,160
yeshivot they deemphasize the 
importance of studying Tanakh. 

959
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,240
And unfortunately I've been in 
yeshivot where people don't know

960
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,680
how to read Tanakh and they 
don't know how to read 

961
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Persecute. 
That's a lot. 

962
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,640
But they're studying in Mara. 
So that tells you that their 

963
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,800
system of truth is a more 
metaphysical system of truth. 

964
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,520
And they would say, so I don't 
think that there's, there's 

965
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,320
there's much dispute as to they 
make a different content to the 

966
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,480
metaphysics that they study, but
they still have these 

967
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,520
metaphysical notions, right? 
And that's why for them they 

968
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,280
need a gun though. 
So there's a horizontal world 

969
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,960
where we're all equal before the
Torah and the Torah stands above

970
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,880
all of us equally, and we study 
the Torah and the Torah is the 

971
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,080
source for everything. 
I need people to tell me 

972
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,440
something. 
There's something that I know in

973
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,080
the Torah. 
I'll go to the hakam. 

974
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,200
Hakam. 
Can you tell me what the Allah 

975
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,080
has in this case? 
I don't know what it is. 

976
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,560
Now. 
He cannot make up things on his 

977
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,680
mind. 
He has to tell me. 

978
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,480
The Torah says this misnet 
Torah. 

979
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,080
They'll call this this says this
and this and this. 

980
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,760
That's all. 
OK, So that's that's a source. 

981
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,920
That's a source. 
Or you have a vertical society. 

982
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,320
In a vertical society, you're 
antiphabetic. 

983
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,320
You need somebody to tell you 
what the truth is. 

984
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,520
And that's why in these 
societies you have das Torah and

985
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:02,200
Doylin, because you don't have 
the right and don't have the 

986
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,560
ability. 
Who are the doylin? 

987
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,800
We'll tell you what the Doylin 
are. 

988
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
You'll you'll know because we're
going to call, we're going to 

989
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,080
have you eat. 
We have a newspaper called, They

990
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,320
have Ted Nehman. 
We're going to say this person 

991
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,840
is a God, though I, I want to 
say just one thing. 

992
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,640
It used to be in the days of 
Aravo de ourself that there was 

993
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,560
Maran, the Shukhana Ruth. 
He used to refer to the Shukhana

994
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Rukhas Maran properly. 
So because we accepted or or in 

995
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,120
the land of Israel, they 
accepted this would abusef Karo 

996
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,600
as the authority and they used 
refer to him as Maran because he

997
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,720
had that special title. 
Then after Aravoday Assef passed

998
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,760
away, he used to refer to 
Shukhana Rukhas Maran. 

999
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,480
Then after he passed away, they 
started referring to Aravoday 

1000
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,280
Assef as Maran. 
Fair enough. 

1001
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,840
OK, I'm I'm not sure what that 
means anymore because Madonna 

1002
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,120
had a very specific meaning. 
I love Harvard, I said. 

1003
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,720
I study his works all the time. 
Please do not misinterpret what 

1004
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:47,560
I'm saying. 
God forbid. 

1005
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,120
I'm not speaking, God forbid 
against Harvard, I said. 

1006
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,440
Of course not. 
But then they started referring 

1007
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,640
to other rabbis as Manans. 
Every rabbi, every time I turn 

1008
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,480
on the radio on in, in his own, 
everybody's Maran. 

1009
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,880
I don't know anymore. 
Like words are. 

1010
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,080
So now we have a lot, a lot, a 
lot of many, many, many Darlene 

1011
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,560
who know what I don't, what we 
don't know. 

1012
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,920
And there's all these Marans up 
there who are going to be now 

1013
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,720
the new authorities for truth 
and and metaphysics, I suppose 

1014
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,040
as well. 
Right. 

1015
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,840
And then you really just summed 
it up really well. 

1016
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,000
I also wanted the audience to 
get a little bit more on the 

1017
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,760
point of being above, like 
nobody's above the law In, in 

1018
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,280
the context of of Tanakh, we see
that if you violate, if a priest

1019
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,360
violates his rule, the rules 
that he has to follow, he loses,

1020
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,920
he loses his position. 
Same thing with the king. 

1021
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,240
And that should apply to 
everyone, even to a rabbi, 

1022
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,520
right? 
Nobody is above the law. 

1023
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,920
I think that's what what you 
were saying in a vertical 

1024
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,480
society, even the person who is 
on top of that food chain and 

1025
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,840
the hierarchy, he's basically 
he's he's not replacing God, but

1026
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,160
he's kind of the mouthpiece of 
God. 

1027
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,560
So you can't really question 
that person, correct? 

1028
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,720
Is that where you're they're? 
Questioning that person because 

1029
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,240
that person, by virtue of having
access to the infinite, he's 

1030
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,760
your patient. 
European mentioned Tombs because

1031
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,040
he has access to the, to the 
infinite and you don't have 

1032
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,240
access to the infant and, and, 
and the way you know you don't 

1033
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,520
have access to the infinite that
he does is because he told 

1034
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,760
yourself and many, many other 
people told yourself. 

1035
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,800
So yes, of course you, you can't
question him. 

1036
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,280
Who are you? 
You don't have the mind. 

1037
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,120
You can't understand things that
he, he wrote. 

1038
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,280
He read all of Plato's Republic 
when he was five years old. 

1039
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880
So of course, who are you to 
question him? 

1040
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,960
Yeah, that's one that's always 
been one of the most frustrating

1041
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
conversations you can have with 
people because when you finally 

1042
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,720
prove them wrong, they just say,
well, you're you're nobody. 

1043
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,160
And that person is somebody. 
So therefore what you say 

1044
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,600
doesn't matter. 
Even if you're right, you're 

1045
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,160
wrong. 
That's the problem. 

1046
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,280
Yes, yes, correct. 
I mean, but again, I I like just

1047
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,600
putting it. 
I, I don't like arguing, I just 

1048
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,080
like presenting. 
And I think when you realize 

1049
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,840
what happened in Europe with, 
with, with Husserl, which I 

1050
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,800
quoted and, and he has a book 
called The Crisis of European 

1051
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,360
Sciences in Transcendental 
Phenomenology. 

1052
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,320
It was published in 1936. 
And there he develops the 

1053
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,480
concept of European humanity, 
which is taught closely to the 

1054
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,760
scientific spirit that is in the
heart of European intellectuals.

1055
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,720
So in, in the Khalidi world, of 
course, it's the Ashkenazi 

1056
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,080
rabbis, the Zephalidi rabbis. 
One of the reasons Zephalidim 

1057
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,560
were, you know, Zephalidim, I 
mean, right, there's a lot of 

1058
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,440
racism against Sapaladi until 
today. 

1059
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,440
If you're a Sapaladi and you 
want to have your daughter go to

1060
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,680
a holiday school, it's, it's, 
it's a problem, right? 

1061
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,840
So the point is, you see, you 
see the parallels, how they have

1062
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,320
the same attitude. 
I mean, it's, it's, it's very 

1063
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,400
obvious what's happening, right?
You don't have to be a brilliant

1064
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,560
historian to understand what the
model is for the governor. 

1065
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,640
And it's fine. 
Go for it. 

1066
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,760
I'm not against it, but just not
what you're doing. 

1067
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,640
This is not Judaism. 
This is something else. 

1068
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,480
So, you know, when the mashiach 
doesn't come and you know, 

1069
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,440
people are wise and the mashiach
my coming, I, you know, well, 

1070
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,680
you know, maybe, you know, maybe
maybe we should choose a Jewish 

1071
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,880
model instead. 
I mean, just as a just as a 

1072
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,440
humble suggestion. 
And I just want to add, it's not

1073
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,320
just the Haredi institutions, 
it's even I went to elementary 

1074
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,360
school of modern Orthodox, 
Ashkenazi elementary school. 

1075
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,760
And I, I and many other Sparta 
kids were there did experience, 

1076
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,960
you know, I guess you can call 
it racism, but it is, it is what

1077
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,520
it is. 
It's something that exists. 

1078
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,400
And unfortunately it, it's 
there. 

1079
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,600
We have to do what we can to 
educate people. 

1080
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,040
And hopefully we're going to get
past all that. 

1081
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,960
So we wanted to get into the 
last part, which is very 

1082
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,520
important to us and to, to you 
obviously about your father. 

1083
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,960
And it's the topic of the 
phenomenon is, is cancel culture

1084
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,360
in society today? 
Your father experienced that he 

1085
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,160
dedicated his life to reviving 
and preserving the traditions of

1086
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,920
Old Spharad, yet he faced 
significant challenges and 

1087
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,120
conflicts from the quote UN 
quote Black Hat community. 

1088
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Can you share some personal 
insights into who your father 

1089
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,040
was, what he stood for, and some
of the difficulties he 

1090
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,760
encountered in his pursuit for a
genuine, pure understanding of 

1091
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,880
tradition? 
And with that in mind, are you 

1092
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,440
hopeful for the future of 
Judaism? 

1093
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,280
Let me just start by saying I'm 
very helpful for the future of 

1094
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,200
Judaism for the reason that I 
know that intelligence 

1095
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:40,680
eventually reigns supreme. 
So I I I I, I am hopeful as far 

1096
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,720
as my father. 
That would be interesting to to 

1097
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,280
maybe discuss separately than 
this podcast. 

1098
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,120
But I do want to give you just a
just a little about a little 

1099
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,960
about my father of some of the 
experiences I had. 

1100
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,880
You know, there's, there's 
there's a Talmudic passage that 

1101
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,080
when one studies Torah in the 
presence of his teacher, he 

1102
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,880
should be shaking in a fear. 
You know, the only person I've 

1103
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,960
seen this with is my father. 
He used to take Tamu Torah so 

1104
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,040
seriously that like we, we would
want to go to silly cloth in the

1105
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,760
morning. 
So high fast summertime Silicoth

1106
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,280
was I don't even know like what 
it was like. 

1107
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,720
I think my mind was, I don't 
know where it was and he would 

1108
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,480
wake me up, but he would make me
wake me up an hour before silly 

1109
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,000
cloth. 
We'd study Torah and you know, 

1110
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,320
I'd better have been awake 
during the double Torah. 

1111
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,640
There was no like, you know, 
there was no lagging off. 

1112
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,560
So literally, he was the epitome
of what a real Hakam is. 

1113
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,240
And I think if he spoke to some 
of my father's other Tami deem, 

1114
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,800
you know, if you came to the 
class and you weren't on your 

1115
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,480
top, if he used to teach Kamala 
privately, you weren't in your 

1116
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,360
top form. 
You didn't remember what he said

1117
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,040
the last Gus, you didn't prepare
properly. 

1118
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,880
You didn't know how to read. 
It really was very frightening. 

1119
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,320
I don't know why you say what's 
frightening. 

1120
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,520
You didn't hit anybody, but you 
just felt such kadusha and such 

1121
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,160
intensity in the study. 
I remember once I was a little 

1122
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,160
boy, like it was three in the 
morning, we're studying Talah. 

1123
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,000
He woke me up and we're studying
talah and this isn't Haifa. 

1124
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,760
Again in my grandparents house 
and this wasp started flying 

1125
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,720
into the room and I'm a little 
kid. 

1126
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,560
I got really naturally scared, 
but I was like, I'm just keeping

1127
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,720
my eye on the text and I'm 
studying and I'm reading and 

1128
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,240
everything was fine. 
Nothing happened to me, of 

1129
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,640
course, because my father was 
there and, you know, nothing 

1130
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,040
would happen when we would study
Tara. 

1131
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,320
So it was very interesting being
raised by my father. 

1132
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,080
There was nothing more important
for my father than the Torah, 

1133
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,760
then Talmud Torah, and he took 
it so seriously and he was so 

1134
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,040
mukhpeed in the traditions of 
our Hakamim. 

1135
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,360
There was no such thing as we're
having a Gemara class. 

1136
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,960
And I misread a word and OK, 
just keep going. 

1137
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,720
Like I want to explain to you 
what it says. 

1138
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,200
No, read it correctly. 
There was this, it was like 0 

1139
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,800
tolerance for any mistakes. 
So he was a very serious Hakam. 

1140
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,800
His knowledge was unbelievable. 
I just want to give you one 

1141
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,040
story. 
It's 11:30 at night. 

1142
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,640
I'm much I'm I'm now, you know, 
married with Hashem kids and I'm

1143
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,360
studying till I'm in Israel. 
I'm in a synagogue by myself 

1144
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,600
late at night and I've come 
across the Suvian Maserati of 

1145
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:26,280
Amalt and is a very difficult. 
There are some chapters there 

1146
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,760
where you literally need these 
diagrams. 

1147
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Have these books like all these 
diagrams, you know, 10 brothers 

1148
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,360
then whatever. 
OK, so I'm studying this really 

1149
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,520
difficult suja and I called my 
father and he answers the phone.

1150
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,160
It's 11:30 at night. 
Just yes. 

1151
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,880
I said I'm look, I'm studying 
this suja and I give him the DAF

1152
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,960
and the safety of AMALT and 
where it is. 

1153
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,480
And he stops me. 
He says, Oh yes, yes, you have 

1154
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,520
this, you're studying this and 
you have this and this problem. 

1155
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,680
Let me tell you the answer. 
And I'm like, I don't know. 

1156
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,080
Like how on earth did he know 
that? 

1157
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,400
Like I'm like, I'm like I was, I
was in shock because I was like 

1158
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,680
sitting there studying for hours
and I'm sweating and I'm trying 

1159
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,120
to understand the sugah. 
And you knew what I was. 

1160
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,360
I didn't tell him what sugah 
was. 

1161
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,320
I just told him the Duff, right.
You saw you're studying this 

1162
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,760
Sugah and here's your problem. 
And he gave me the answer. 

1163
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,359
So so it was it was quite 
something growing up with my 

1164
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:25,200
father and studying taught out 
with my father because of him. 

1165
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:28,960
I know what we'll tell me the 
hakami more. 

1166
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,479
You can't fool me. 
I just want to say that you 

1167
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,880
know, when you when you see 
when, when you experience a 

1168
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,840
real, you know, like one of the 
things that shocked me and I'm 

1169
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,359
just going to put it out here. 
Like when I used to be standing 

1170
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,240
under the Papa sometimes with my
father and then it'd be Allah 

1171
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:53,720
with the Khaliyah, Shalom, 
another special, special. 

1172
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,080
So I remember I used to see him 
and my father discussing David a

1173
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,560
Torah and this and you know, 
back and forth discussions, 

1174
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,680
Biki, oh tremendous Biki out on 
both sides. 

1175
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:08,520
Of course, I remember one of the
things that shocked me is like 

1176
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:13,279
coming to America and seeing 
rabbis, meeting rabbis who 

1177
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,319
didn't have an interest in 
discussing David a Torah. 

1178
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,920
It really, it almost offended 
me. 

1179
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,040
I would be like in a wedding 
with the rabbi and I would kind 

1180
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,319
of want to share a idea in the 
Torah because it's what I was 

1181
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,800
used to. 
This is the world I was in. 

1182
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,359
Of course. 
What do you do when you're with 

1183
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,600
another hakami discussed? 
What do you got to look at your 

1184
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,560
phone? 
And I don't know what the, what 

1185
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,640
happened on Instagram, but I, I 
don't know what people. 

1186
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,880
I mean, OK, I know what people 
do. 

1187
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,279
But when you're with a Hakam 
Tamir Hakam, of course, you, you

1188
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,720
discussed Torah. 
You want to hear the Torah from 

1189
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,600
the other side. 
You want to share your Torah. 

1190
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,359
What else is there? 
What can be more important than 

1191
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:47,800
that? 
Like you're standing under the 

1192
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,240
whole pond. 
They have like, oh, like the 

1193
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,000
Syrian weddings. 
They have like an hour, hour and

1194
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,440
a half of like, you know, like 
different musics and the 

1195
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:56,280
marching and you're standing 
under the pop. 

1196
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,320
Of course, you discussed the 
pretora. 

1197
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:03,000
This is what I saw sound like. 
One of the things that shocked 

1198
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,400
me as like, rabbis that are not 
interested in Torah, That's 

1199
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,760
because they're like, it's not 
because they're not friendly. 

1200
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,880
It's just it doesn't interest 
them, you know, like, you know, 

1201
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,640
but not now, like, it's not. 
That's so important. 

1202
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,240
So, yeah, I was raised with my 
father. 

1203
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,760
I know what Torah is. 
I know what Hakam is, and I'll 

1204
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:29,600
say it a second time. 
You can't fool me, that's all. 

1205
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,880
Beautiful, beautiful. 
Well, may his memory be a 

1206
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,040
blessing. 
And I must say, you know, when 

1207
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,240
we were very pleased to discover
very recently that, you know, 

1208
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,720
Ellie Shelby and Joey, if our 
put out this book with corn 

1209
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,800
publishing, which is like 
mainstream, you know, and that 

1210
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,760
that's such a great, amazing 
thing, though, if only your 

1211
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,400
father was able to see that, you
know, amazing. 

1212
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,080
But this is really truly a big 
bracha. 

1213
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,960
And we, we are so excited that, 
you know, his, his, his 

1214
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,560
teachings are going to be, you 
know, in the mainstream, which 

1215
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,560
is unbelievable. 
Yes, yes, I was very happy. 

1216
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,120
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1217
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,680
Joey, my son Joey. 
Joey Farour, Elisha will be a 

1218
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,720
friend of my son Joey. 
They spent a lot, a lot of time 

1219
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,720
editing the works. 
Yeah. 

1220
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,480
And thank God, Hashem, it is 
becoming mainstream. 

1221
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,960
And it's, it's, it's an 
alternative. 

1222
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,480
It's an alternative to a lot of 
the things we've been talking 

1223
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:35,880
about. 
Because, you know, when I say 

1224
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,360
alternative also, I don't mean 
God forbid that we somehow 

1225
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,320
compromise and all that. 
We're not lenient or strict, no,

1226
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,000
we just want to follow the ways 
of the Torah, Haram bomb, the 

1227
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Gemara, the Gionee, right? 
And people are trying other 

1228
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,400
things. 
They've been trying other things

1229
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,040
for centuries. 
And it's not quite leading, you 

1230
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,560
know, not quite leading to 
anything good, I guess, right? 

1231
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,120
So I think my total, the total 
my father is really going to, is

1232
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,120
going to be out there and it's 
going to be a very positive 

1233
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,720
development in ami sale. 
I see. 

1234
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,000
I see it happening. 
Without a doubt, without a 

1235
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,760
doubt. 
I mean, it definitely influenced

1236
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,120
us and we're nowhere near where 
we should be. 

1237
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,560
But, you know, just, I think 
that his works definitely 

1238
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:24,160
trickled down to, you know, the 
little people like us and people

1239
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,640
we know. 
It's, it's just like on a daily 

1240
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,760
basis and many chats that we're 
in, it's it's he's always coming

1241
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,440
up in conversation. 
So he has a profound impact 

1242
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,040
already. 
I think I've in the last 10 

1243
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,800
years he's the most spoken about
probably of all so. 

1244
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,200
I want to share with you one 
story and with this we can 

1245
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,720
finish. 
And my father was Paru Hashem. 

1246
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,360
He was so happy. 
He always felt that God was with

1247
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:54,600
him and he would always say the 
Pasuka Elohim team tells 

1248
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,200
yourself before he passes away. 
God was always with me. 

1249
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:00,880
God was always guiding me. 
He really that's the Alcob. 

1250
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,560
I've even felt that my father 
used to say that all the time. 

1251
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,360
So I just want to share with you
one Passu, which illustrates 

1252
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,840
this guy. 
Saw it so many times with my 

1253
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,440
father. 
And as you know, there's some 

1254
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,920
people who may not have wanted 
to read his works. 

1255
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:18,400
OK, put it that way. 
So he, he moved to Israel in the

1256
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:23,360
mid 90s and he was, you know, he
was an old already older, you 

1257
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,440
know, at the age where many 
professors are beginning to 

1258
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:30,840
retire. 
And yeah, he's, he's in Israel. 

1259
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,880
He wants he wants to work. 
So, so he goes to Bareillon 

1260
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,320
University. 
This is a story. 

1261
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,840
He just goes there. 
He has his resume, CV and he 

1262
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,800
goes in I'm looking for a job in
the Talmud department. 

1263
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,600
So you know him and 5000 other 
people looking for a job in the 

1264
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,520
Talmud department in Barilan 
University. 

1265
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,920
I mean it's, it's impossible to 
get to get any professorship in 

1266
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,840
in Barilan, let alone in the 
Talmud department. 

1267
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,480
They have the best Talmud in the
world of which my father was one

1268
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:06,840
of them, but still he's older. 
So he goes in with his CV and 

1269
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,160
they he says I'm looking for a 
job in the Talmud department. 

1270
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,400
It's the month of September, so 
the term already started. 

1271
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,920
Just just so you understand. 
Now he has phobia tahan and 

1272
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,680
Hashem. 
He has phobia tahan and he knows

1273
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,600
Hashem is with him. 
He knows it, right? 

1274
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,480
The same way you know I'm 
speaking with you. 

1275
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:25,360
Now he knows Hashem is with him,
so it's September. 

1276
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,600
Doesn't matter. 
He knows Hashem is with him. 

1277
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,000
He's sitting. 
He says where do I apply for a 

1278
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,480
job? 
So they said sit down here. 

1279
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:33,440
He's sitting in the waiting 
room. 

1280
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:41,920
He has ACV, somebody comes out. 
Rabbi, what are you doing here? 

1281
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,960
My father looks at this person 
and he recognizes him. 

1282
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,120
My father used to get classes in
Brooklyn. 

1283
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,880
He said hundreds of people come 
to the class, including many 

1284
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,640
Ashkenazim. 
This individual who says, Rabbi,

1285
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,840
what are you doing here? 
That individual used to go to my

1286
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:02,560
father's classes in Brooklyn. 
That individual became the head 

1287
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,160
of hiring in Bar Ilan 
University. 

1288
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,160
So he says, Rabbi, what are you 
doing here? 

1289
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,160
He says, I'm looking for a job 
as a Talmud professor. 

1290
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:18,720
He says just today one of our 
Talmud professors resigned and 

1291
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,080
it's the beginning of the term. 
We need somebody immediately. 

1292
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:32,520
Are you available immediately? 
Wow, Elohim, that was my father 

1293
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,160
felt that he believed that he 
experienced it. 

1294
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:40,800
He was a very happy with the 
constant presence of Torah and 

1295
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,160
of course the constant presence 
of the writer of the Torah, 

1296
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,960
Hakados Barucho. 
And even after his passing, you 

1297
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,760
see that Hashem is with him in 
that the work is starting to get

1298
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:53,040
published in ways which are 
going to go into a lot of 

1299
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,760
people's homes. 
And you know, our podcast, we're

1300
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,160
just trying to do our own small 
part, trying trying to bring 

1301
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,680
more influence. 
And of course, you as a son, as 

1302
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,600
you're doing your part and 
you're giving relentless, she'll

1303
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,200
beam and interviews and 
instagrams and Youtubes and you 

1304
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,160
know, you're you know, and look,
we really, really, really 

1305
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,640
appreciate your time. 
We know that the rough time is 

1306
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,920
is you take your time extremely 
seriously. 

1307
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,200
We appreciate the time that you 
took out to do this with us. 

1308
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:30,880
Honestly, I hope that this is 
not the last time. 

1309
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,400
I would love to do a podcast one
time strictly on your father, 

1310
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,000
you know, just just to, you 
know, like a biography of sorts 

1311
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,080
and to go through because 
there's so much to learn and to 

1312
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:46,600
reflect on. 
His life is just it's it's a 

1313
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,080
life that needs that needs to be
reflected on, needs to be spoken

1314
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,160
about. 
Hopefully, maybe one day down 

1315
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,200
the road, but in the meantime, I
think that the past two podcasts

1316
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,840
that we did together was 
incredible. 

1317
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,040
I hope that the that the 
listener is enjoyed, reflect and

1318
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,680
understand that everything we're
doing over here, everything we 

1319
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were doing together over here, 
because we want to see the best 

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for Claudia Sorel. 
That's it. 

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Yes, of course, of course. 
I love the Jewish people. 

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Nothing will make me happier 
than for Amisrel to get closer 

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to the Torah, closer to Akados 
Paruku. 

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And I absolutely know that once 
we do that, we will bring about 

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the gatewilla ourselves. 
The Gatewilla will come 

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automatically as a result of 
what we do to bring the 

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gatewilla. 
Amen. 

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Thank you so much. 
Thank. 

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You so much. 
Thank you. 

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For. 
The.