1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,560 Welcome to Judaism Demystified, a podcast for the perplexed. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,320 Join us as we explore some of the most fascinating Jewish and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Torah related topics with our esteemed guests. 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,560 By tackling some of the biggest questions you likely won't find 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,000 addressed elsewhere, we aim to shed light on important issues 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,600 and inspire a return to the fundamentals. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,320 Enjoy the show. Thank you for joining the 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Judaism Demystified podcast. It is a pleasure to have Rabbi 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Leap tag with us. It is such an honor and we 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,120 appreciate you making the time we wanted to. 11 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,920 Before we begin talking about the Gusanach method, a topic 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,560 that we've discussed a few times on the podcast, we'd like you to 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,840 first introduce yourself. Tell the audience a little bit 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,280 about yourself and your background. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,360 So I want to begin with a question because what you just 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,800 asked me, I always ask my students, because Passover is 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,160 coming up, you know, Pasa and I asked my students, pretend you 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,280 were never a Seder, but you read the Bible and it was your job to 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,960 tell the story, the Exodus to a group of people when you had 10 20 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,200 minutes. So where would you start the 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,840 story and where would you end this story? 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Again, pretend you were never a seder. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,680 And you asked your students to think for a minute. 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,320 I mean, it's not easy for some of them. 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,680 And to think for a minute, based on what you remember from your 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,480 Bible study, from studying Tanakhra, Yeah. 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,560 Or your Jewish education, how would you tell the story of the 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Exodus? Where would you begin and where 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,400 would and where would you end? Personally, I would begin with 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 the story of Yosef, like getting sold into slavery and that whole 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:34,760 that whole story. OK. 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,280 And where would you begin to? Be fair, I I would have I would 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,320 have just started with them already being in Egypt, and then 34 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,760 I would have just started from from the beginning of schmot 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,760 with Moshe's birth until until. There's both legitimate 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,320 opinions. I can start with the birth of 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Moshe. I can start with the birth of. 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,320 I mean, I think well. You said I had 10 minutes. 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,320 That's why I said that. Yeah. 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Yeah. OK. 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,920 If I have 10 minutes, I'm probably just going to start 42 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,080 with Moshe. 'S birth, that's how. 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,440 What's that movie called? Prince of Egypt. 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,320 Yeah. It's also Davie Moses. 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,800 I can start with the burning Bush. 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,120 I can start with the new Pharaoh. 47 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,200 I can start with Dako with the wagons. 48 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,320 I can start with Yostf and his brothers, Right? 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,360 Yep. I can start, but I wouldn't 50 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,480 start with Craig. Like, but I was born in Akron, 51 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,720 OH, that's that's where I was born. 52 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,000 So your introduction depends on now where would you end this 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,920 story? The Exodus? 54 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 It's a tough one. You can end. 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,680 After entering the land. You can end after Yamsuf. 56 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,480 You can end my Mother Sinai. Yeah. 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,240 But then if you have 10 minutes, again, I'm I'm taking the 10 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,680 minutes. OK, I'll give you 15 minutes. 59 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,080 OK, 15 minutes if I have 15. Minutes. 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,160 Burning in the desert and then end and then ending up in the 61 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,440 land. I think I would end there. 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,000 OK, you can end up getting to the land of Israel. 63 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,880 Yes, you end up in Harsenai and you can end up getting out of 64 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,040 Egypt. You're splitting the sea. 65 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,560 That's the answer is you always hear no, those 3 answers, I'd 66 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,600 like to associate them with three different Yamahas are 67 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:09,480 people. So if you're if your audience, 68 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,360 if they're keep pastor God people, you know these kind of 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,600 people, you know everything. It's about the land of Israel. 70 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Of course, the story ends with we get the land of Israel. 71 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,240 If you're I called would call, I would say black Yamaka, but more 72 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,720 more in the Karidi world, you answer Harcena, because that's 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,360 why we came out of Egypt to get to the Torah. 74 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,360 That's the essence of Judaism. And if you bring no keeper, you 75 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,080 know, if you're a secular Jew or a non what we call a secular 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,120 Jew, you'd end with freedom splitting in the sea. 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Now it's called is it freedom from? 78 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Is it freedom 4 or freedom 2. Now all three answers are 79 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,640 correct. There's a value in freedom in 80 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,280 itself because no one should be oppressed. 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,600 But freedom 4 is more of the biblical theme. 82 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,280 There's a reason why God took you out of Egypt was to become 83 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,640 his people to keep the Torah. But God doesn't want his people. 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,200 He wants a nation keeping Torah to be a nation in either land. 85 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,360 So again, all three are correct, but you, it goes into freedom 86 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,520 from freedom 4, freedom 2. But, but, but when you ask that 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,360 question, that's where you're teaching methodology. 88 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,399 But the question is when you read Torah, it's what message 89 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:22,760 you're getting out of it. We'll discuss the methodology. 90 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,320 You're going to ask me about Kush methodology, but I'm going 91 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,080 to give you an example of it. I still have to tell you where 92 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,800 I'm from. Where would you begin? 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,640 That's more important. That's another thing. 94 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,760 So I was born in Akron, OH, but I'm not going to start there. 95 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,840 And my father was a show rabbi in a small little town. 96 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,280 So I went to the public school for I've been with my father. 97 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:47,760 That was a big advantage. I wasn't stuck in the luck. 98 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,560 I didn't go through the yeshiva system. 99 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:55,600 Most, most, most big, I mean most people who like have an 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,000 impact, who are people who didn't go through the regular 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,040 system and people who didn't. And because they see it better 102 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,760 from the outside. Anyway, that went away to high 103 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 school to Baltimore. And everyone else was going to 0 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,160 for after 12th grade. And I was starting Fathom back 105 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,880 in the 70s. So I got I went to Israel for a 106 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,600 year and got brainwashed and then and I stayed, they did, I 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,360 went to Cal, I did Hess there and then I went to Goshen. 108 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,520 They got stuck there. Pretty much. 109 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,120 There wasn't really a plan. Careers just happened by chance 110 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 kind of thing. So we'll get that in a minute. 111 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Now, just for the fun, I'll start with the Exodus. 112 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:34,640 It no one in their mind, no one would have started with Lovan. 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,160 No one started with Tara, correct? 114 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,520 No one and and. And. 115 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,920 But that's what we do. But it's over the place, isn't 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,200 it? We start with we are slaves in 117 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,880 Egypt and then we jump something about Tarak and we jump about 118 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,680 love on. We never mentioned Moshe. 119 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,720 We didn't mention Yosef and his brothers, but but we our Seder 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,160 is so complicated. But no, if you take a step back 121 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,280 and study it where it's coming from, I'm going to give you an 122 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,840 example of gush methodology there. 123 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,400 There's got to be logic to it. But the the key in in instead of 124 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,840 the standard. There's always, you know, I'll 125 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:11,920 give you another one more question. 126 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Now we'll get to where I'm coming from. 127 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,720 What word is going to be most found in in NAGID? 128 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,960 But what word are you going to see more than any other word? 129 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,320 Just take a wild guess. You're telling the story, the 130 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,400 axis. What word do you think is going 131 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,920 to come up a lot? Avadim. 132 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,720 Yeah, if that that makes a lot of sense, maybe Egypt, something 133 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,200 like that. So, but the answer Shinet Amar. 134 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,360 No, he's quoting, Yeah. Always every other line you're 135 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,040 coding a verse. Now what's our custom Shinamar 136 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 you quote the verse and you you're in a Zimmer mode. 137 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,480 You know, you just read the verse and I guess must mean 138 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,520 something and my goal is to read the text because this is ancient 139 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,880 texts. I have to read the Haggadah, but 140 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,360 but because I want you to do is look up that verse. 141 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,760 There's a reason they're quoting it, the step behind it and and 142 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,880 if I can give example of the gush methodology, if because I 143 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,800 were quoting a pussy, they're assuming that just you know, the 144 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,520 plastic, you read it, you know it's context. 145 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Everybody they could say give Clemist as much respect as you 146 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,680 give the newspaper, because when you read newspaper article 147 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,000 you're assuming now we the sentences make sense, but 148 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,000 there's a flow from sentence to sentence. 149 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,280 An internal logic. Yeah, it's called, it's called 150 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,720 the Davar de Boralphanavo. It's called Satoshi Micra. 151 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Now that doesn't mean there's, there's deeper messages, but 152 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,280 the, the, the first thing you need to do is study the text. 153 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,040 We call it objective analysis. Now the question is, what's your 154 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,880 underlying assumption when you study the text? 155 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,400 It was what, what text you mean? What, why was it? 156 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,360 But what's the purpose? Why was it written? 157 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,280 So I'll give you like a quick example from creation. 158 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Did God tell us the story of creation to know that he 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,280 created, to know how he created, to know why he created or to 160 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,760 understand why we're chosen? No, when I'm, when I'm reading 161 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,760 Stephen Brasheed, I'm I'm reading a history book, a an 162 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,320 authentic history of here's how creation happened and getting 163 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,400 the facts what it is. Or am I getting a book that was 164 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,720 written to explain to the Jewish people why they're chosen? 165 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,520 It's two different approaches. So if I'm assuming divine 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 authorship, that's of course our assumption. 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,000 Again, how God, how God transmits it. 168 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,400 That's a technicality. No, you would have certain 169 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,600 assumptions you're making, but the main, the most important 170 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,000 belief is that there's a God. We we know that he is, we know 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,360 what he is, but there's a God and we take that for granted. 172 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,120 And he chose us to be his people. 173 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,960 It only makes sense that if God's choosing a people, he 174 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,320 would give us a book to understand why we're chosen. 175 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,080 So when I receive Rashid, I'm reading a book that God gave us. 176 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,240 My assumption is, I think Rashid goes, that that it was given to 177 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,680 us in preparation for our Sinai. The book was written for a 178 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,800 nation that went through slavery, just came out of Egypt. 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,960 It's on this roller coaster of history going to these amazing 180 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,440 events. It's been suffering as slavery, 181 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,040 witnessing great miracles. They're about to become a 182 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,760 nation. They need a book to understand 183 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,440 where they're coming from, where they're going to why they're 184 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,880 chosen. How come there's 12 tribes who 185 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,000 this God is? What's our relationship with 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,640 other nations? Now, when you read the book that 187 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,080 way, how you read the book, how you interpret the book is very 188 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,920 different than I'm reading a book of history or a book of 189 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,840 theology or book about how not to bring up a family. 190 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,920 If you understand my joke, there's someone's looking for a 191 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,680 book, how to bring up a family. Don't read, don't read, don't 192 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,800 give them a punish. But if you're if you don't like 193 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,680 to understand what's the meaning of chosenness and what's the 194 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,040 meaning of what's the meaning of why God chose you and wise 195 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,920 they're Jewish people. Then you read saturation. 196 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Now I can learn family values from the book, but the book 197 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,040 wasn't written to teach you, you know, family values. 198 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,200 I can learn it from it, but that's not the goal of the book. 199 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,440 So that's if you want the approach. 200 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,880 That's pretty much the approach that I that I, my main Rebbe is 201 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,320 rebel banoon. I'm sure you've heard him quote 202 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:17,320 all the time. He's and then there's a whole 203 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,880 all the people that quote. There's like, there's so many 204 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,520 amazing teachers, but there is no one defined gush methodology. 205 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,280 There's no Gush approach because we argue left, We argue with 206 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,080 each other all day long. And that's the Jewish approach, 207 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,800 we argue. I love the the videos where 208 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,960 sitting down on like the, I don't know, it seems like a 209 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,880 little like orchard or garden. I don't know where they're 210 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,760 sitting. And then I'll see like, you 211 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,880 know, Rahman Bazak and Armadan and you know, they're like 212 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,160 arguing with each other, but with the biggest smile on their 213 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,160 faces. It's just so it's just a, it's 214 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,800 a, it's a, it's a very refreshing, beautiful thing. 215 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,680 So our Jewish tradition is to argue in search of understanding 216 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,080 that there is no one, that that's the beauty of the Torah. 217 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,960 No ego, no ego arguments. It's open. 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,680 It's open for, it's, it's intentionally open. 219 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,400 God wants us to argue and and it's through that argument. 220 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,560 I'll give you one example. Like the Arcada story, this 221 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:22,640 happened. Of course they must have a 222 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,280 message, but it's almost impossible. 223 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Did Album do the right thing, do the wrong thing? 224 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,080 Could he? Was it possible? 225 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,800 Was a test? You could possibly test that, 226 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,880 but but the study of the story, this story becomes a catalyst 227 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,280 that creates a discussion of what happens when you have 228 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,880 conflict between basic morality and divine command because you 229 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,840 follow divine command, but you have to follow your, your 230 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,360 conscience and your, your moral compass. 231 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,880 What do you do when they conflict or that no, that's, 232 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,240 that's a life challenge, isn't it? 233 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,880 So the Akita story sparks a discussion of how to deal with 234 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:08,560 that conflict and and the what what the beauty of hommesis is 235 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:11,800 that through that discussion of the conflict, that's how you 236 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,280 build your your understanding. How do you deal with the 237 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,360 conflict? You argue about it and you see 238 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,120 the different sides of it. But the the message of the Al 239 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,200 Qaeda story is our discussion of it because it's taking two 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,880 values putting against each other and it's not questioned 241 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,000 out from do the right thing, the wrong thing. 242 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,360 We're not sitting back and judging, but the biblical 243 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,640 characters. That's not our goal. 244 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,520 Our goal is what do I learn from the story? 245 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,360 Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy that that let 246 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,360 God judge that God's giving a story study because it's through 247 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,400 that study and discussion of who's the right thing in the 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,080 wrong thing. I'll give you an example from 249 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,000 you know, you mentioned Bazaq and you know, and she's one of 250 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,680 my best friends and we she moves all the time. 251 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:58,280 I. Absolutely love her when? 252 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 I'm Bazaq, love him. So there's there's the Tanakhi 253 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Mayun in Ghosh every summer. So one year by chance, he and 254 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Rafsanit. You must have, you've heard of 255 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,200 Ekman and Salmon also. He's like, it's a pedagogue, 256 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,800 both of them. They probably, they're such good 257 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,840 teachers. They're they're they're like, 258 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,280 and their approach is solid, but they they're really good. 259 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,440 They both thought the story of Schem and, you know, Dina with 260 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,840 Nadine. Yeah, Dina and Shimbunumavi. 261 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,200 Oh, I know this. So what did we learn from this 262 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,240 story? Now there's a theory that maybe 263 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,080 people's political understanding might affect how they interpret 264 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,240 things just by chance the but what's both are unshaped shot 265 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,680 like Shutoshamicra. Rob Standard reaches the 266 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,040 conclusion that Shimon or maybe did the right thing because they 267 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,640 get the last word in and he does a beautiful analysis of the text 268 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,040 of the story, proving that that they're right follow and more 269 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,600 exactly the wrong. But Bazaq does the same literary 270 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,000 analysis the point and proves that they were wrong and it's 271 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,240 what they did was a disaster because Yahoo got the last word 272 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,800 in. Now who's right? 273 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,000 No, that I bring as an example. God wanted there to be an 274 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,640 argument between Rabba, Zak and Rasam, because sometimes you 275 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 need Shimon and Levy, and sometimes it's disaster for 276 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Shimon and Levy. It all depends on where they 277 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,320 argue over how How necessary was it to wipe out the City of 278 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,440 Scheme? How big was the City of Scheme? 279 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,480 How innocent? Or how everyone has to put 280 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,520 details into the story to figure out to do the right thing or the 281 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,560 wrong thing. You don't kill. 282 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,840 You don't kill innocent people, but you have to say you're 283 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Israel today is cutting the same dilemma. 284 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,320 You have to defend yourself. You have to save your sister, 285 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,440 and you have to take military action. 286 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,080 But how do you balance the need to take military action and the 287 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,480 need to, you know, respect human life and not punish someone 288 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,680 who's not deserving a punishment? 289 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,560 OK. However, however, though both 290 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,960 Bazak and Samet, I, I remember actually reading this, I don't 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,360 remember the details anymore, but I've I've seen this back and 292 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:13,960 forth in in in one of the books, they both in order to arrive at 293 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,120 their conclusion. And this is an interesting point 294 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,920 here. They're analyzing the text, like 295 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,320 you said, Chuto Shalmicre in a very high level. 296 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,000 So my question to you is, so you're so part of what I'm 297 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,440 getting from what you're saying is, is that the text is in a 298 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,200 sense open-ended towards our voices to come in and to in a 299 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:44,800 sense engage in the, in the, in this, in this tension, tension, 300 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,760 yes, thank you tension that the text brings out, however. 301 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:55,360 On the other hand. That would seemingly imply to 302 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,720 me, while you were saying that, that Bazak would have a certain 303 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,640 position. Bazak has a certain position 304 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,240 externally about this tension and then he's reading it into 305 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,200 the text. And then you would have Sam, or 306 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,400 if Sammeth has a certain position and he's reading it. 307 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,800 But that's not what they are doing. 308 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,760 No, no, I, I So I'm getting off. You got my question. 309 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Yeah, yeah, I got OK. What I do with teacher training 310 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,360 is that you have to differentiate between objective 311 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,360 analysis and subjective interpretation. 312 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,200 Students get mixed up all the time. 313 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,000 The first step in anything is objective analysis. 314 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,560 What's the text? Now the books are begging 315 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,960 subjective interpretation. Based on that objective 316 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,920 analysis, understand. But I can't undertake, I can't 317 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,960 suggest a subjective interpretation if I didn't do 318 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,280 the analysis first. So you can argue maturely over 319 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,200 the objective analysis, but that is objective. 320 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,240 You should be able to reach a conclusion that everyone agrees 321 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,040 on. Now, what's the meaning of that 322 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,680 text? What's what's the 323 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,000 interpretation? No, it's what message is behind 324 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,840 the text that we argue on. And that's our tradition, but 325 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,280 partially argued left and right. Did Adam do the right thing 326 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,840 going down to Egypt? Remember, there's a time of 327 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,960 famine. So there's one approach. 328 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,079 The whole reason that we have to go down to Egypt as a nation and 329 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,800 suffer for hundreds of years is because Adam didn't have a muna. 330 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,119 He should have stayed in everything. 331 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,920 So he left the famine. You know what your kids have to 332 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,560 suffer and go down to Egypt. That's approach. 333 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:19,400 That's a famous approach. Is that shot? 334 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,280 Maybe I can learn from the story. 335 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,480 Then when there's a famine, you have to be, you know, logical. 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,520 And no, you can't. So make you can't so make 337 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,800 holidays. You can't depend on a miracle. 338 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,320 And you should go down to Egypt. Should you lie about your wife? 339 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Shouldn't you lie about your wife? 340 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,720 You know, is that the right thing or the wrong thing? 341 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,800 But what I learned from Avram Vino, I'm not sure, but we 342 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,040 discussed that issue. But that story sparks a 343 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,560 discussion. But the overriding message is, 344 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,520 you know, what's your what's the right thing to do? 345 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,560 I think how much calls it la Soti Hashem. 346 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,480 You want to do what's right in God's eyes, but what's right in 347 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,520 God's eyes. So there's a beautiful Ramban 348 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,320 that's I think it's like the most important, like Ramban to 349 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,560 ever learn in the varying chapter 6. 350 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:13,080 That's where we're right after the SHMA in in verses 16 and 17 351 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,960 and 18, he says, you know, Shmorti Shmuel and called me 352 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,600 Soto Hashem. And then first keep all these 353 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,800 laws who accomplished without and then Vasita yasha Ben 354 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,440 Hashem. So is that Yasha Ben Hashem is 355 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,840 equal to the mitzvot or in addition is an equal sign or a 356 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,240 plus sign between them? And Raban says beautifully, 357 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,280 there's no way you can write a book to explain to you what to 358 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,040 do 24/7. But what can Kummish give you 359 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,360 and give you? I call dots on a graph and give 360 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:42,760 you basic ideas and I have to extrapolate that the goal of 361 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,280 studying Kummish is not keeping the laws, studying the laws and 362 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,000 applying them to new situations and always asking yourself what 363 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 would God want me to do in any situation? 364 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 And I'd build that Hashkafai, build my understanding based on 365 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,600 studying the stories and their deeper meaning. 366 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,200 But I'm in search of doing what would God want me to do but to 367 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 make it alive and applicable in every generation. 368 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,160 I'm always searching as a servant of God, what would God 369 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,360 want me do in any situation. And the mega themes in Flemish 370 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,400 of your nation chosen to serve God, your nation that represents 371 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,360 God by how it behaves. You're a model nation. 372 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,000 You don't tell the people what to do. 373 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,880 You act in a way that other people can learn from. 374 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,040 And then you have to strive your best to do what's right in the 375 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,720 eyes of God. That requires study and self 376 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,760 introspection and and and healthy argument. 377 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,080 And you achieve that through arguing maturely with each 378 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,320 other. And, and there can be 12 tribes. 379 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,360 It doesn't be one only one path. There are many paths. 380 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,360 The umbrella that keeps everyone together as we we're in, we're 381 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:45,280 God's people, and we've tried our best to sanctify God in the 382 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,880 way we run our lives. Beautiful. 383 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Yeah, I was going to. I was just going to ask about 384 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,160 there. There are obviously critiques of 385 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,320 the method. What are some common critiques 386 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,440 that you get, you know, that you find to be a challenge perhaps, 387 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,640 or even you find to be just silly, but people just persist 388 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:04,360 with these? Questions. 389 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:07,280 So here, here's the problem. If clinic is a book to study, 390 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,200 not just read that. I'll give you an example how I 391 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,800 prove that to my students. It's a when you study creation, 392 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,600 so beautiful story. You know, day one, day 2, day 393 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,680 three. And there's a pattern to it, 394 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,760 like in in the gush method, you study the the structure of the 395 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,120 story. So every story begins with by 396 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,040 your mayor Lukim with the command, followed by an 397 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,240 execution, followed by evaluation and Brahua Marvier 398 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,080 who Silva via mode. It's God's commanding God's 399 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,520 doing and God evaluates, you know, day by day. 400 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,240 And then you take a look. So what is it that God makes 401 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080 every day? So day one, he makes light. 402 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Remember day 2, the the, the shaman up there and the strip 403 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,600 pace of water. Now it's you know, it's a story 404 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,720 of creation, but when you study it, what do you notice that day 405 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,080 one is parallel to day 4? I'm sure you're aware of that, 406 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,520 right? Day one is our day three, the 407 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,920 road. You know, when did God make day 408 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,240 and night? That's a great that that proves 409 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,440 a story. You can't take it literally. 410 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,920 Day 2 God takes to be in heaven the waters above and the waters 411 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,400 below. Day 5 is going to be the fish in 412 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,000 the sea and the birds up in the sky, and day three God mixed 413 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,640 land and day six and mixed land animals. 414 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,760 You can't miss the parallel. But clinicians didn't say look 415 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,200 at the parallel, but there's no doubt there's a parallel there. 416 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,720 The fact that there's a parallel that is to ask about literary 417 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840 structure. The fact that there's a parallel 418 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,120 and there's a match, that's begging interpretation. 419 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,680 Now how do you interpret it? We argue about that. 420 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,640 We try our best to understand what could be the meaning and 421 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,000 it's through that argument we try to understand the meaning of 422 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,560 the. So what's like really 423 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 interesting in creation is that on day three, instead of one act 424 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,480 of creation, there's two acts of creation. 425 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,480 That's why there's two evaluations. 426 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Everyone knows pomain Quito, but that's because there's first God 427 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,520 makes land and sees that's good, and then he makes the better 428 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,000 life. He starts with vegetation, 429 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,440 what's called bird praise and bird pia de ma. 430 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,560 But there's two stages of creation that related to each 431 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,880 other, but the two separate acts. 432 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,040 On day six, he makes animals, evaluates, and then he has 433 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,960 another act of creation making men So so that jump from from 434 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,920 land to life that would like that there's a quantum leap in 435 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,480 creation. There's a similar jump from 436 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,360 animal to men. No, but why is God setting that 437 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,000 up? Knows what? 438 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,160 What can I learn from the fact that day three and day 6 have 439 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,560 two acts of creation instead of 1? 440 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,000 And so on day three, you know, there's a big jump from land to 441 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,000 vegetation wool. That's a quantum leap in in in 442 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,120 development. And is this is there a similar 443 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,120 leap between God making animals and men? 444 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,440 One of the key points I think of Telenole King is that man's 445 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,640 different than animal, even though he's similar to animal. 446 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,120 So what do you do with the fact that you're part of the animal 447 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,640 Kingdom, you're part of nature, you have animal instincts. 448 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Are are we a super duper ape or we have Telenole came? 449 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,160 Are we a is there something godly about us? 450 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,920 Why did God give us our ability to be creative? 451 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,160 And what does it mean to be the image of God? 452 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,920 You know, we can also think and do things and evaluate and do 453 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160 them. So this week we read Parsha 454 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,280 picude. So what what happened? 455 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,680 Truman said that God commands Vasita, Vasita, Vasita. 456 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,560 And what do we do? We do we become partners with 457 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,160 God in creation. Now, instead of God commanding 458 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,080 and God doing, God commands and where's people that we do it? 459 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,240 The part of that actually is, you know, what Benti was just 460 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,280 bringing up before that it's a we engage with the text, with 461 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,000 this methodology obviously very much so that we find these 462 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920 classic structures and these literary motifs and 463 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,960 parallelisms, everything. And naturally we find we, we 464 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,480 come across our own Hindu Shim. That's what just happens. 465 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,520 We, we have aha moments. The the difficulty that might 466 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,600 the challenges that you'll get maybe from certain pockets of 467 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,200 the religious world will be like, well, you know, who are 468 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160 you to to come up with? Subjective who? 469 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,440 Who? Who has license? 470 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,680 Does everyone has the obligation to do objective analysis? 471 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,400 Who has the license to suggest subjective interpretation? 472 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,920 And and to follow. Yeah, question. 473 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:22,120 And, and just to follow with that by showing that there is a 474 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:26,040 literary structure running throughout the Torah now, it 475 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,280 brings up the question of historicity from the perspective 476 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,200 of if, if everything here is if we're finding parallels and 477 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480 chiasms, so we're getting a literary structure. 478 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,640 So then what does it inform us about what actually happens, 479 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,440 right? So that, in my opinion, does 480 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,520 make a difference. I sometimes get in trouble for 481 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,160 that, but God, I'll tell you how we say it in the Shiva is that 482 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,680 are you studying Mashikatouf or Mashikara? 483 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,240 It's the big argument among our teachers. 484 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,480 The only Grossman, he's the big ex. 485 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,840 He's the big fan of you study mashikatouf lo mashikara, 486 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,240 meaning here's what's written and I get the message from 487 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,880 what's written. Now, some people do the opposite 488 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,640 numbers opposite, but they're on a treasure hunt or, you know, a 489 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,360 like a mystery thing. And I have to figure out what 490 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,040 happened. Reading between the lines, this 491 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,160 must have, this must have happened. 492 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,280 So first I studied the text. I start comparing, you know, 493 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,280 hearing that and I have to make assumptions. 494 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,840 This must have happened. This must have happened. 495 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,120 And then I sort of tried to deduce what actually happened 496 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,440 and I learned from what happened. 497 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,320 Or do I learn from what's written? 498 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,440 You understand the difference. Do I study Mashikatouf or 499 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Mashikara does Do I learn the lesson from what's written? 500 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,120 Oh, there's no listen from what happened. 501 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 It's a it's a total if you follow this from Medan Shurim, 502 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,200 He's always in search of what happened. 503 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,680 He's ingenious of his ability to deduce events to figure out 504 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720 things happen. He's like doing like Charlotte 505 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Holmes on things. But sometimes, you know, that's 506 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,200 what rubber Psych always disagrees with him, he says, but 507 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,800 you know, if you follow the arguments and she'll say, you 508 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,200 know, say, Oh, it's very beautiful, almost a little 509 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Mushika too. You know, it's a nice part. 510 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,360 But now, now it's what the role of Midrash is wonderful because 511 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,560 what's Midrash? Do people miss them? 512 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Midrash in ancient times, no one wrote books or op eds or had 513 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040 podcasts, but people had opinions. 514 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,200 So if you're living in the tender Tanaim, how do you expect 515 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,000 your opinion about life, about your insights as how do you 516 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,920 share your, your, your vetting song, your ashkafah? 517 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,480 So there was a genre called midrash. 518 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,320 You always opened up with a verse or some insight on I'll 519 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,480 give you an example because it's like a week, two weeks before 520 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880 face off. Let's say you want to give a 521 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,600 lesson in differential education of what's called 522 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,640 kanochlinaddafi.co. So I can say, you know, there's 523 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,680 different ways of teaching children give a whole, you know, 524 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,800 the whole thing about how to how to teach advanced kids, you 525 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,880 know, challenge kids whole thing. 526 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000 What's Sumid rush? Do they notice? 527 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,880 There's four times in Komish where a parent answers a child, 528 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,560 three times preceded by a question and one time even 529 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,520 without a question. But there's four times where a 530 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,920 parent answers the child. Now they use that, they they use 531 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,840 that, that, and now they use that realization and associate 532 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 those four times with four different types of children. 533 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Now hummus isn't teaching you this for different types of 534 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,800 children. That's life. 535 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Then there's the there's there's the you know, the kids who the 536 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 goody goody kids, there's kids with the attitude, there's the 537 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760 kids that aren't motivated, the kids who don't have the ability. 538 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,240 There's all different types of kids. 539 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,320 And what the myth is teaching you is that, like when you when 540 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440 you tell the sailor, don't answer the question, answer the 541 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520 child. So that what's the measures 542 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280 beautifully do. It takes the questions from 543 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,000 hummus and and associates each question with the different type 544 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,600 of child. So like the hams question, like 545 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,040 in Flemish, it's wise God giving all the laws and I've got to 546 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,760 change what are the laws? And we said open up a, you know, 547 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,280 open up a second. If he keeps asking what are 548 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,040 laws? He's motivated already. 549 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,080 He wants to learn more. So teach him laws if the kid has 550 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400 an attitude problem. So we take, you know, what's 551 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,880 this to you now in Clemish, those actual questions. 552 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,440 That's not the topic of the questions. 553 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,240 The cops are totally different. But I'm sort of stealing the 554 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480 questions and using what the midrash does isn't coming to 555 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,240 explain Flemish. It's using Clemish as a 556 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680 springboard to give up her a lesson. 557 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,640 That's beautiful. And then that's what the rabbi's 558 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,400 do. But I can't turn that. 559 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Oh, that's why Hemish was written that way. 560 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800 No, it's Hemish didn't have the four sons that these four 561 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,800 questions answers to teach you that there's four different 562 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,240 types of children. I can figure it out on my own, 563 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240 but the Midrash is using that, the fact that there's four 564 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 different types of questions and answers between parents and 565 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,640 children and using that as a springboard to give over a 566 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320 lesson about differential education of kind of another fee 567 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,280 darko. But that's classic Midrash. 568 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,320 But to appreciate the Midrash, you have to understand what 569 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,680 they're doing, But you can't mix that up with. 570 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920 That's what the that's why it's called Midrash and Upshot. 571 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360 Beautiful. And I actually sorry I 572 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,520 interrupted Benji's question. So I think it got skipped over. 573 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,120 I wanted just to go back to that Benji's question regarding the 574 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,840 fact that there's so many new interpretations that are coming 575 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:36,720 out in, in, in, in from Ghosh and critics might say what right 576 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,080 do do. We have to do. 577 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,560 We have to essentially come up with things that, you know, our 578 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,520 greatest, you know, Khazal Rishonim Mahonim. 579 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,680 If not, you know, how do we just come here and just, you know, 580 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,800 open up all these? So what what they always love to 581 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520 quote as the famous rush bomb in the beginning of Pasha Todot, 582 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 where Rush bomb was a young, you know, student finding things 583 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480 about what's elutodot mean. And he respectfully argues with 584 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,040 his grandfather, with Rashi. I'm sure you're familiar. 585 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,320 And Rashi says the the the hamit. 586 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,040 I. Never understand why people 587 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720 never like. Why is that glossed over? 588 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Like, come on. Why? 589 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Because it's super dangerous, because you get what's called an 590 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,480 English nurse Skype. That's true. 591 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,520 The second, the second you open up interpretation to the to the 592 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,000 to the, to the public, you get, you get and you need quality 593 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,640 control. Now, in my opinion, who decides 594 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,080 those? If, if Ramban was told you can't 595 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440 argue with Rashi, we wouldn't have Ramban. 596 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,520 No, it's if, if, if Ramban grew up in the, in the arc called the 597 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,040 Shiva road, right where Rashi's Rokhakodesh. 598 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,880 And you know, that's absolute truth. 599 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,560 And how can you dare question Rashi a we never have Ramban, 600 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,160 right? And, and, but Ramban is awesome. 601 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,520 So Ramban, he always opens now Pearshakuntur. 602 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480 See, he quotes Rashi and respectfully disagrees. 603 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,000 And I think Rashi would want him to disagree. 604 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,720 That's what's called debate. Meet Russia. 605 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640 We argue over what's the deeper meaning of the text. 606 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960 That's what what Parshanim do, right? 607 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,240 That's why I try to teach my students. 608 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,160 If you want to appreciate Parshanim, the commentators, the 609 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560 commentators all did objective analysis. 610 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360 And in light of that, they share with you their subjective 611 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,160 interpretation. But if you didn't do but they 612 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,120 don't share with you the objective analysis, they assume 613 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,200 you did that. See what people get stuck with? 614 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,800 No, when a Rambam writes something, he's assuming you 615 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,720 know the Surya. Same thing in in in the time 616 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440 would also now. If you know the Surya and you 617 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,200 said it, you were bothered by the same problems. 618 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,080 You appreciate their commentary and you can learn from them 619 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 tremendously. If you just read the commentary 620 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,240 without doing the footwork beforehand, you can 621 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,760 misunderstand the commentary. And when you can, you can. 622 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,440 That's something to really appreciate. 623 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760 The, the, the most important part about what you call the 624 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,040 gostera, the objective analysis is simply to appreciate the 625 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Parshani. It's to preach, to be able to 626 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920 understand the Rashi, Ramban and Benezra. 627 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,240 You know, all the class of a three and seven properly. 628 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,560 You have to do play the same game they did and you can. 629 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,200 It's always the proof they did that objective analysis, but 630 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,880 they don't share that with you. They only share with you their 631 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,120 interpretation. Did they see a literary 632 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,240 structure though? You. 633 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,440 You can. You can. 634 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,320 That's what we talk about all the time. 635 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280 They they don't walk it through it, but you can see from their 636 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,680 interpretation they're onto something. 637 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,040 Yeah, you say that now. You. 638 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,880 Can also see from Khazao there's definitely intertextuality going 639 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,440 on of the rush. Oh, of course, that's because 640 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,840 you have that there. It's, I'll give you an example. 641 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,520 Yeah. What's the right methodology? 642 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,840 So Rabbi Schmo has 13 principles of how to how to, how to do 643 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,200 subjective interpretation. Right. 644 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,400 Kalaprad. Kalaparo now you can argue what 645 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,760 are the principles of interpretation. 646 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,840 Rabbi Kiba is there is every ultra Torah Rabbi smell was 647 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160 different. You have you have you have 648 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,360 different approaches and they're all legitimate, but they all 649 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,600 share the goal of you know what does what what message is God 650 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,920 trying to give to us? I'm I'm maybe a bit more 651 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800 postmodern. I'm claiming that God wants us 652 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,880 to argue that the media is the message. 653 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,000 No, that's global Shami. But if you're striving to do the 654 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,280 right thing and it's through the argument and striving and trying 655 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,240 to understand, that's how you grow. 656 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,680 To be fair, this idea that you bring out that Isham wants us to 657 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,520 like the tension brings out the the the the discussion with 658 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:43,280 which we then, you know, argue or or have a dialogue better 659 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,960 word, right. I think that first of all, Rabbi 660 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,240 Sacks Allah Shalom always spoke about this how how you'll see 661 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,680 like Avraham, even in the Tanakh itself, Hashem wants the naveen 662 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,880 to be arguing with God. Yeah, one could argue that's 663 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,880 what prayer means. There's that. 664 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,080 My joke. I got a joke right here. 665 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,600 That's what is to argue clean. You go to a court. 666 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Now you're not arguing. Oh, I'm right, God, you're 667 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,080 wrong. You're arguing your case. 668 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,159 Listen to Moshe Rabin, but listen to Moshe Rabino and he's 669 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,639 trying to explain God, it's in your interest. 670 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,760 You're more forgiving. Remember when Moshe praise and 671 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,199 and tells God, don't you know, don't break the covenant, bring 672 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,679 the covenant back. But you can't be so strict. 673 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,199 Next time you need to be forgiving. 674 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600 We want to be your people. So it's like a great example of 675 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,520 objective analysis and interpretation. 676 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,480 When you read the flood story, OK, you can't miss the 677 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,560 connection between the flood story and Mount Sinai. 678 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,639 Are you aware of that? There's so many thematic links. 679 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,239 40 days, 40 nights, you know, much like I mean Hashem just 680 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,159 motion on our own. Let me kill everyone else, make 681 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,159 you the only one. You know the the covenant 682 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,560 afterwards by. There's just so many parallels. 683 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,280 Even the entrance to of of Moshe's character coming through 684 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,600 the a little mini arc. Right, tape. 685 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,440 Tape has only those two stories. That's it. 686 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,680 Hamish is screaming. I call wake up and smell the 687 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Hamish that, but it's begging interpretation. 688 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,160 Now. What's the meaning of it? 689 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,160 Go argue. There's something deep going on 690 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560 that that you know, it's about the road of tikkun about, you 691 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,880 know, about fixing. I claim the capitalists are the 692 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960 earliest Bible critics. I mean, their whole point is 693 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,760 don't take it literally, take it seriously. 694 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520 There's something really deep going on with Hamish and they're 695 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,720 giving you deep life lessons. I'm talking about like not the 696 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,000 not the only capitalist, the real capitalist, like the Ramban 697 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,760 type of Kabala Ramban when he says, oh, what do you think we 698 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,240 care about digging wells? When when you say digs wells, 699 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,320 but that represents finding God knows God's hidden have to find 700 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,000 them. You have to dig up. 701 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,560 We have to, you know that I did, Hester. 702 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,880 You can't see God. You can perceive God, but if you 703 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,000 don't look for him, you won't find him. 704 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,960 There's so many deep ideas there and they're on to something 705 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,600 really big. But if you just, you know, if 706 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,800 you, if you misunderstand that, you can go in the wrong 707 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 direction. That's like this approach is 708 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,680 dangerous because it can be misunderstood. 709 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,520 And it is. It's always misunderstood and 710 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,080 then it doesn't mean anything goes. 711 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200 And the fact that you can say anything you want. 712 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,200 You need quality control, but you need that's like you need 713 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,880 humility and respect now. But, but, but I'd like to claim 714 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920 my my, my time. What's the time now complain 715 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,440 about about academia. It to get it to write a paper 716 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,720 master's APHD, you have to come up with a topic that no one ever 717 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,120 heard before. You have to come up with your 718 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200 own fetish, right When you're searching for a fetish, you end 719 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,000 up with, you end up with don't search for fetish because you're 720 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,400 blinded. And briskers who don't 721 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,120 understand the brisker approach make the same mistake. 722 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,240 I have to find like I have to find a Hakira. 723 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640 You don't look, you don't look for Hakira Hakira's. 724 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,760 You know what that is? There's no word for translate it 725 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,280 right. It's got to find you. 726 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,760 Then you study you you, you study for understanding. 727 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,720 In your search for understanding, a light bulb will 728 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,800 go off. I just realize something the the 729 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,440 the Hiddish has to find you, not you looking for Hiddish. 730 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,000 So in in academia, I have to come up with something new. 731 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,000 So you, you got to come up with some and it's usually your goal 732 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,120 is to find something new that no one ever said before. 733 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,920 And your goal isn't to understand the text in, in, in 734 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,360 real Judy, in real study in, in our study is your goal is to 735 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,240 understand the text, understand Devar Hashem. 736 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,040 And in your search of what's Devar Hashem, you might uncover 737 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,760 something that someone else didn't notice before. 738 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,480 And then you share it with your friend. 739 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,040 Now 99% of the time, what you're saying is ridiculous and you 740 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,400 have to recognize that and therefore you test it with your 741 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,680 friends and you discuss it. And that's what the beat Me rush 742 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,680 is about. But you have an idea. 743 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,680 Hey, hey, that makes sense. Oh, that's good. 744 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,360 And then it, it started catching on. 745 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,680 That's, that's, that's our tradition. 746 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,560 That what made Rashi great because Rashi is great and 747 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,280 everyone accepted Rashi now that's yeah and when I. 748 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680 Find that to be so beautiful. By the way, the bit I can just 749 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,200 like envision the bit Midrash where people are learning Hamas 750 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920 and they're learning it critically with, with, with 751 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,480 trying to, to, to, to arrive at, at an understanding of the text. 752 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,560 And then I can see a student having an idea and he bounces it 753 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,280 off, you know, his Havruta or his Rebbe or whoever, you know, 754 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,640 whoever he feels like doing it. And this conversation ensues 755 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,440 about this idea. I can't find a better way to get 756 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,840 people so excited to learn Torah like from I think that's just, 757 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:50,040 it's a, it's a, it's AI feel like especially like I, I went 758 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,800 through somewhat, I went through the Shiva system to a certain 759 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,200 extent, not fully, but you know, it's a little bit of a stifling 760 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,360 atmosphere because you're sort of you, you're, you can't really 761 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,000 ever really grow within your own mind. 762 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,000 You're kind of having to just conform to, to ideas all the 763 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,280 time. Now, of course, that doesn't 764 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,280 mean to just take, you know, just, you know, do whatever you 765 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,080 want, say what I want to think, whatever you want. 766 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Obviously we're not talking like that, right, But like in this 767 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200 type of serious atmosphere, right, where, and especially 768 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840 with homage, because that's it's just, you know, people don't 769 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,120 even learn homage much these days. 770 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,800 It's like, you know? To sit there with. 771 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,800 It's really like, it really bothers me when I hear that OK, 772 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,000 but to, to, to, to sit there and to really like open your mind 773 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,960 while learning homage, but while engaging with it very seriously 774 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,560 and trying to understand it for what it is and then having these 775 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,640 ideas pop into your mind and then bouncing it off with I, I 776 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,480 just think that that's a very healthy, exciting, vibrant 777 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,160 atmosphere. That's why I have. 778 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,640 A four year old. What time? 779 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,520 I have a four year old son. I say this all the time. 780 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,560 Probably the fifth time I said this on the pad pad, I'm 781 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,920 speaking it into existence. My dream is for my 4 year old 782 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,640 son to come to RHC on after after high school was at the 783 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,640 show. That's my dream. 784 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,000 But I really think that it fosters a, a love of Torah, a 785 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,280 love of not just a love of Torah. 786 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,160 I mean love, a love of, of engaging with the Torah. 787 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,960 Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I sketched. 788 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,040 David Foreman has a great sport. We smooth all the time. 789 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,680 So he's he's amazing. I'm sure you've. 790 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,400 Huge fan. Yeah, yeah. 791 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,520 So David says this new approach, like you guys, we've been doing 792 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000 it for years. It's called a devarthora, right? 793 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,520 Everyone who gives their Torah says something no one ever said 794 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080 before. But usually it's not serious. 795 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,720 You follow. So the accepted approach to 796 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:46,960 saying things, they're just cute. 797 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,600 But like, no one had saying something good. 798 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,960 Oh, that's forbidden. No one said. 799 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400 There's nothing wrong with saying something, you know, say, 800 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680 say, say that. But hey, say hey, that makes 801 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,600 sense. That's the most is that the more 802 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440 correct or the more it makes or the more that it's actually 803 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:11,280 compelling. It's scary to that person. 804 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,560 It's threatening to that person who who who feels like wait, 805 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040 like so. So now I have to rethink my 806 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,360 entire understanding of how I've I've had Hazal pictured in my 807 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,040 head. Do you get what I'm saying? 808 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,800 It's. Yeah, So that, that that's a 809 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,720 chance education. Now, on the flip side, I'm, I'm 810 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,440 a big fan of people who don't like this approach. 811 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,520 And they're probably right because because part of being 812 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,760 Jewish is keeping not changing anything, you know what I'm 813 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,120 saying? And we do what our parents did. 814 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,600 And and you need 99% of people doing that. 815 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,240 No, but you always need, you know, 5% envelope. 816 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,800 OK, you know what's that? But but you need that, that no, 817 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,480 that push back up. I'll share with you something a 818 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,840 little more modern. There's another reason for the 819 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,200 modern approach. It has to do with returning to 820 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,680 Israel for two reasons. One is you're living in the land 821 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,080 of Israel. Everything becomes alive. 822 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,920 You know, you see the places, the way you look at Kummish when 823 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,880 you live in Israel and and that's already something 824 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,040 amazing. Just the land thing. 825 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,280 That Raviel Banuon, that's what I learned from him the most. 826 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,480 You know, you see the places you understand you stand and you 827 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,040 stay your hole and look at you know, the Jordan River Valley 828 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,640 and you reach there for Yeshua on the story of the spies. 829 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:25,880 You know, you know the and you just see the story in front of 830 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,960 you. You see about Moab. 831 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,240 You can picture most of you just picture everything the harder 832 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,800 for the whole thing, but you understand much better when 833 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,080 you're there. But more than that for 2000 834 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,960 years, we're in exile. We don't have sovereignty, We 835 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,600 don't have a state that's so we we we we don't have the idea of 836 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,680 the idea of being a nation in the surface of God. 837 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,480 We're individuals, a community serving God. 838 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,840 They give a nation serving God. How do you serve God a nation? 839 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,920 How do you have an army that represents God that acts in a 840 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,320 way that's how do you have a gut? 841 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,200 How do you run a government? So we have we have we don't have 842 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,080 a missile on that. But all these topics are that's 843 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,000 half of Hamish like all laws of arena of running a nation and 844 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360 and now they become realistic and how to apply them. 845 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,560 So so that's one side of it. The other side is the medic 846 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,680 study of Tanakh was a big boost for Christianity. 847 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,640 Why, because when you study thematically, you can't miss the 848 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,120 importance of nationhood and the land of Israel. 849 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,240 Now one of their proofs that God left you in case you realize 850 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,840 that there's a you know, they start with there's we had old 851 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,400 they stole they hold by the Old Testament. 852 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,920 But God, you know, our covenant with God was broken and God has 853 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,840 a new covenant. That's why it's called a New 854 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,600 Testament. We of course disagree with him 855 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,360 and we hold it. We're still God didn't fire us. 856 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,280 He just, you know, we went through rehab. 857 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,600 The the proof, the proof that it's gone, you know, you know, 858 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,200 was the fact that we have to return to our land. 859 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,720 And that's why, you know, the church and don't it was so much 860 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,360 against the state of Israel, you know, being formed again. 861 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,920 It goes against their their their whole ideology. 862 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,800 But now that we're back, hey, we're back in our land again. 863 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,000 The the, the danger of thematic Bible study is in many ways it 864 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,600 supports it. No, it's so clear the importance 865 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,560 of nation that in the land of Israel that if it's gone for 866 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,680 2000 years, wake up. You know, God left you. 867 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,200 Now that we're back, So that whole that now that we're back, 868 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,440 I can go back to that thematic approach because now it's 869 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,800 supporting our understanding of Judaism because because the 870 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,080 Christians use that approach to prove to you that you're not 871 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,000 chosen that they're right. But now that whole argument, 872 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,600 this is gone. So returning to our land for 873 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,960 many reasons opens up a whole new way of looking at Clemens, 874 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,040 which which was kept by the what was, you know, kept under the 875 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,880 radar because it supported Christianity too much. 876 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,520 Not it's not supporting Christianity, right, but a main 877 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,360 contention of Christianity that God left you because you haven't 878 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,920 returned to your land. But now that we're back in our 879 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,880 land. So, so the danger of that 880 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,400 thematic study is not as like it used to be. 881 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,800 And, and the meaning of that study and its application in 882 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,200 day-to-day life is super important. 883 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,240 So that's why it comes to life, because it's now it's it's I. 884 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,600 Think, I think another thing to just to add to that, I think 885 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,480 there's a few things that the modern, you know, reader and 886 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,480 learner of, of Torres is exposed to is artifactual evidence, 887 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,600 which the Rishonim and all them maybe did not have obviously 888 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,280 have the things that we have and also our answers to questions 889 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,200 have to be a lot more refined today because the challenges are 890 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,760 much greater. We're dealing with biblical 891 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,240 criticism that's forcing us to to be even more meticulous in a 892 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,840 way that they're posing questions that weren't posed 893 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,200 before, so now we have to answer questions that weren't answered 894 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,840 before, so it must be our generation that is engaging. 895 00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,160 It's going to be more sophisticated. 896 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,720 It's not apologetics that they, the Bible critics, they do the 897 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,360 same detective analysis, but the conclusion is multiple 898 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,760 authorship. You follow so and the, Gersher 899 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200 wrote. It's there's, there's, there's 900 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,360 in you find different what's called Buchino. 901 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,840 It's for Breuer's whole beauty approach. 902 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,880 But God does that on purpose to teach you, you know, there's a 903 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,520 very complex understanding of life in our relationship with 904 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,960 God. It's like Sharim, there's a 905 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,760 relationship with God is complex and it's, you know, it's how to 906 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,160 relate to God. Life's complex. 907 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,120 There's all those complexities to appreciate the complexity of 908 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,760 our relationship with God. God uses multiple names to to 909 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,320 help teach us how to do it. That's called the rough 910 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,680 salivations Adam one and Adam 2. Because if you have complex 911 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,880 molecules complex, you know, physical things, you need 912 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,880 complexity equations to to describe them. 913 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040 So the complexity of the Bible when you understand hummus is 914 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,960 being written not to tell you what happened, but to understand 915 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,200 your relationship with God. So the different names of God 916 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,040 all are part of, of the hummus approach or method of teaching 917 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,680 you how to deal with that complexity and how to you know, 918 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,800 so that's, that's that's very deep in the approach. 919 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800 But the danger of that approach is, hey, you might think that 920 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,520 their conclusions are right. So you begin with MO. 921 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,320 Now that that God is allowed to use multiple names to give over 922 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,200 his message. Now the question is what, what 923 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,880 do you learn from the fact that God makes 2 brutal without him? 924 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,160 If he knew one with God's name, you'd give off K, you know, and 925 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,680 one with God's name of the king doesn't mean there's two gods. 926 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,560 It means that's why we scream our Samuel King say it seven 927 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,840 times. I actually happen to think that 928 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,080 the the literary structure, as much as it garners questions and 929 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,440 criticisms, as we spoke about before, one thing I think that 930 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,640 it actually clearly takes away is the question of multiple 931 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,000 authorship. It is very difficult to say that 932 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200 there's multiple authors, yet a. Cohesive. 933 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,480 Cohesive literary structure that's running throughout all of 934 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520 it's very, very difficult. So for all the criticisms that 935 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,160 come about it, I actually think it solves one of the one of the 936 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,520 chief issues that have been raised in the last 200 years. 937 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,120 Besides the fact that Casuto himself, I think he mentions. 938 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,400 I don't know this from a historical perspective, but I I 939 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,160 trust Kasuto when he says that there's not one ancient, ancient 940 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040 Near East document ever found to have Yeah, yeah, it's a theory 941 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,520 which is not in now we found one. 942 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,760 OK yeah, yeah. But theories in my. 943 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,160 Opinion I'm saying the theories are are they don't hope harder 944 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,480 when when you study in depth. Now if you if your assumption is 945 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,200 it's an historical text right? So you can't you can't miss the 946 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,480 contradictions, but if the contradictions are intentional 947 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,000 to teach you complexity and don't take it literally, take it 948 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,840 seriously. So it's through those it's 949 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,920 through the what's called the throat that I learned from them 950 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,680 that that's one of the days that attorney dress shipment. 951 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,800 No, that that's so that's a much more mature approach, much more 952 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,080 complex approach to it. But it that Broyer always used 953 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,000 to call them the Bob Gracie call them plumbers. 954 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,920 No, they do The Dirty, they do The Dirty work. 955 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,680 You know, they do the they open that. 956 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,440 But but his conclusions are totally different guys. 957 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,560 I wanted to know if you, if you have time just to give her for 958 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,920 the audience a little bit of a taste of your style and your, 959 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:29,520 your, your, your insight. I came across your essay in the 960 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,360 Tormentillon book on who sold Yosef to Mitraim. 961 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,120 It is a it's spectacular. And I wanted to know if you can 962 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,280 give a few minutes so that the audience can get a little bit of 963 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,800 a taste for, for your, your, your approach and the way you go 964 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,920 about certain things within the text. 965 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,240 So I wanted to know if you can give a little bit of a outline 966 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,440 and presentation for your essay of who sold the brother who who 967 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000 sold yourself. Almost everything but called 968 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,440 called. OK Everything I've come up with 969 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,640 was never in search of the hitters, but rather in the 970 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,800 middle of teaching. I teach a lot. 971 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,720 So when people ask me what's the best way to learn a book, I say 972 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,560 find someone to teach you to you learn. 973 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040 You learn something by teaching it because when you teach it, 974 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,560 you have to understand it. We have to explain to somebody 975 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,720 else. That's why I did Haruta learning 976 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,920 also teach something. That's a way to learn something. 977 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,320 I always say teachers for an assignment, don't give them a 978 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680 test. Tell them take what you learned. 979 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,320 Teach it to a parent, teach it to a no to a peer or something. 980 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,240 And then and then share with this what what happened when you 981 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,080 taught it. But when you have to teach it to 982 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,640 somebody else, then it helps to clarify it. 983 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,280 I would say that the class has happened in the students head 984 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,200 you, but they didn't class study. 985 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,760 But in the middle of teaching something, a light bulb goes 986 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,000 off. Oh my gosh, I just noticed 987 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,800 something knows when you teach something, that's when you begin 988 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,440 to notice things because your mind is engaged because when you 989 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,440 have to explain to somebody else, it's got to make sense. 990 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,200 And I think that I think it makes sense to say the 991 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,440 assumption that is supposed to make sense. 992 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,600 But again, beginning what's, what's your assumption? 993 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,800 What's the purpose of the book? But when when you study the when 994 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,920 you study the story done the technicalities of who? 995 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,680 So do you say they'll just look at there's there's a bit of 996 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,200 realism in the story and and the text is there for those. 997 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,680 When you read it carefully, you'll find it. 998 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,760 Now there is an example where if you don't know the topography or 999 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,960 geography of Israel, you wouldn't begin to understand, 1000 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,640 you know, the whole nobody said like lift up the size and they 1001 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760 see when you're on a Tuel and you see the view and you can 1002 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,080 see, you know, Trans Jordan from, you know, from the top of 1003 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,720 the hill and you can see cars coming down the hill from, you 1004 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,920 know, 10 copies. You can't see a person, but you 1005 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,960 can see a caravan. And then you know how long it 1006 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,400 takes to go there and you know, the desert and that, you know, 1007 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,920 there's pitch some in the winter, there's water and then 1008 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,920 in the summer there's no water. And if you want to hide A body, 1009 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,120 you know, I want a place that people aren't going to be there, 1010 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,720 but there's a trade. It just, it's just you put 1011 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:11,800 realism into the story. But I, I didn't look because I 1012 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,840 didn't, I wasn't looking for a new way to read it. 1013 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,680 In the middle of teaching it, it just dawned on me, Oh, that that 1014 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,400 makes sense. And that, and that's some things 1015 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,360 you want to don't look for a fetish to study something and 1016 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,160 teach it and discuss and argue about it. 1017 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,280 And, and that's how you find things. 1018 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,840 And sometimes you do things. And here is what I said, you 1019 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,320 know, that's you argue with yourself a lot of times. 1020 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,400 But what you pray for, and I think on Chavez, is that you 1021 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,920 want to serve Hashem, what's called the Viterra de Bendel of 1022 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,240 Cabinet. So the danger in Bible study, I 1023 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,000 plead guilty sometimes, is that you take your scuff and you read 1024 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,960 it into it. Yeah. 1025 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,200 And that happens too often. In other words, you take the 1026 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560 Bible, you're not looking for what's your. 1027 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,800 I have my political opinion and I read it into. 1028 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,760 I can find my political in any story. 1029 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,200 I can find my political opinion right being your left wing, so 1030 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,280 I'll tell you it's something I'd like to teach us. 1031 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:15,040 Ramban talks about when it says in Pasha Todot AKA Vescher 1032 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,800 Shabbafen Bukhali by Shwarmich Marti, you remember the plastic. 1033 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,000 It's a rich. I always say the Tuki Manrisha 1034 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,880 and the first aliyah people know thanks to Monday and Thursday 1035 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,000 thanks to leaning. So like the amount of commentary 1036 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,440 on the 1st aliyah, it's 10 times more than commentary in the rest 1037 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,760 of the and there's some, there's some sections I call, I call 1038 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,480 Schviez syndrome, where by the time you get to the end of the 1039 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,600 parsha, no one knows it and there's no commentaries either 1040 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,720 because you run out of the steam by then. 1041 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,800 But the so Ramban, the first Ilia. 1042 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080 So he's bothered by what is it says Abraham by smarmish 1043 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,440 Martimis for Thai Remember Abraham kept all these things. 1044 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,200 So the parsha want to know what's each thing referring to. 1045 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,280 So that's the famous Rashi where the about kept the entire Torah, 1046 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,760 you know, the whole the Rashek approach. 1047 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,800 Now every every other person disagrees and I don't think 1048 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,680 Rashi meant it literally either, but that's a different 1049 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,120 discussion. Now the Ramban says what was 1050 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,080 vice mummy Shmarti, how do you watch God's guard? 1051 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,240 So Rahman says no, what did Abram do? 1052 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,960 He looks in Abram's life. Where did Abram watch God's 1053 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,120 guard? So whatever him do, he explained 1054 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,600 the belief in God and argued with idol worshippers. 1055 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,760 That was he was as he defended God publicly, he stood up for 1056 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,160 God. He explained the existence of 1057 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,440 God and he argued with idol worshippers to bring people to 1058 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,280 follow God, you know, and but they argued with, with idol 1059 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,040 worshippers to put them in the right direction. 1060 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,760 And, and that was part of Alpha's greatness. 1061 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,720 Now what? What would an academic person 1062 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:53,400 say? What's Ramban? 1063 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,800 You tell me what's Ramban doing when he's reading the text? 1064 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,920 Why would why would Ramban see Avramavino? 1065 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,680 No, why would interpret by smarmish Bhati watching God's 1066 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,280 guard by arguing with idol worshippers and standing up for 1067 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,720 God. I mean, because he projected his 1068 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,920 own views, his own experiences, maybe on on the text. 1069 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,080 Yeah, what what a famous experience is that? 1070 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,960 The Oh, OK, so the the disputation of. 1071 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,160 Yeah, yeah. OK. 1072 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,680 So what he was saying, academia is what's Rumban doing. 1073 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,960 He's looking for like. He's reading the text looking 1074 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,040 for his own like. He's reading. 1075 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,000 Himself in his life now, but if you know the history behind it, 1076 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,840 Rumban's commentary in Clemish was the disputation was towards 1077 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,120 the end of his life. Nobody got he won, got a free 1078 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,880 one way ticket to Israel afterwards and there's like 6-7 1079 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,640 different changes he made when he got to Israel, including 1080 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,600 that's it. Ramban reinterpreted Commish 1081 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,320 when he found, you know, when he found the coin and reinterpreted 1082 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,360 what's what he called where Kevin Russell is because he 1083 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,920 believed his tour guide. You know what's but but how far 1084 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,360 was it away? When? 1085 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,200 Yeah. How far is Kevin Russell from 1086 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,040 load key brought to arts the boat throughout that Remember? 1087 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,320 So it's key brought to our it's a short distance or long 1088 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,680 distance. And that depends where you put 1089 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,840 Keva Rachel. Anyway, that's all different 1090 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,120 topics. Where where Keva we know where 1091 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,280 Keva Rachel is, where where she's actually buried this 1092 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,280 different story. But that's, you know, that's a 1093 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,440 famous argument among among among commentators. 1094 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,480 But but we know there's like six or seven commentaries that he 1095 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,360 changed afterwards and he wrote them afterwards. 1096 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,520 But his main commentary of how much was written before the 1097 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,960 disputation. So I'd like to tell my students 1098 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,880 Bramban isn't reading his life into Torah. 1099 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,960 Bramban wrote his commentary on how much weighed before then 1100 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,280 Ramban is living his life based on his commentary. 1101 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,480 You understand the difference. It's not that Bramban read into 1102 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,400 our story because of his life experience. 1103 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,840 Abram lived his life based on his Torah study. 1104 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,400 That's that's Bramban interpretora and he was inspired 1105 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,120 by his interpretation and that that's why he stood up to the 1106 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,280 plate. I was willing knows he saw 1107 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,560 that's what Abram did when Abram was Corey Bashem Hashem. 1108 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,880 He stood up for his values and you argue with other people and 1109 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,360 that was his greatness and in light of that understanding, 1110 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,320 Rambam was willing to take that challenge in and defend Judaism 1111 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,240 in front of the church. He. 1112 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,880 Saw it as a call to action. Yeah, as a call, yeah. 1113 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,480 And I think that's and when you see the historicity behind this 1114 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,400 Pirosh that that's that's proper tourist study, you understand 1115 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,080 that that it's that it's not it's not. 1116 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,720 I have my opinion and let me find my opinion and furnish. 1117 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,640 It's striving to study, furnish. What's the right thing to do and 1118 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,240 living your life based on your on your what's called a search 1119 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,560 of what's the benefit to try and search your best ability to 1120 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,160 understand what God wants. But but and not to taint it with 1121 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,200 my with my pen, which isn't so easy to do. 1122 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,360 Of course not. Yeah. 1123 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,400 Yeah, but some people do it, you know, way too often this. 1124 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,760 So we call them partial sheets on, you know, they give out and 1125 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480 true every Friday. So there's every set of 1126 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,800 political approaches. And then let's prove my hush 1127 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,040 Kafa from from this story and that story and therefore right 1128 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,240 right wing, whatever you're going to do. 1129 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,440 But that, that, that becomes, that's even more dangerous. 1130 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,840 But that I try to keep politics out of things for sure, for 1131 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,120 sure. Beautiful love it. 1132 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,080 So we really wanted to thank you once again. 1133 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,920 This was really amazing eye opening. 1134 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:40,080 We urge everybody to read all of the books put out by the Gush 1135 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,680 Yeshiva. You know Magids. 1136 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,440 And I encourage people to argue with them also. 1137 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,120 Argue with them also. And we we love when people 1138 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,160 argue. That's what that's the most 1139 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,320 important thing and and we have to argue with ourselves also. 1140 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,800 But you're in search of the goal isn't to come up with the 1141 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,080 finish. The goal is to understand by 1142 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,680 Hashem. And again, as time changes and, 1143 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,960 and history changes and we have the challenge of starting a 1144 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,680 nation and, and everything becomes alive, but, but to do it 1145 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,800 with truth and search, that's the that's the most important 1146 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,560 thing to do. And, and people who disagree 1147 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,880 with the approach 100%, they're it's a legitimate approach not 1148 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120 to agree with the approach because it's dangerous. 1149 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,400 It's dangerous across the street. 1150 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,120 Also it's. Dangerous. 1151 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,080 It's an approach that has to be taken with your extra mime and 1152 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:30,520 seriousness and honestly, anyone who who really takes the time to 1153 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,960 read the material in gush, see that the the the This is why we 1154 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,720 want to also bring us. We're trying to bring goose 1155 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,200 people on to the podcast so that they could see that the people 1156 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,000 that are bringing all these incredible Hindu Shim have 1157 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,320 you're at Shamim and are very serious and this is not it's not 1158 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,240 like you know that that's part of the reason why we want to 1159 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,520 have you know, you on and and and and groom it. 1160 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,400 By the way, if you can put in a good word for us and I would 1161 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,920 love to have a problem, but Zach, I don't know how his 1162 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,760 English is. But that would be like, you 1163 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:08,880 know, but no, but seriously, the, the, the, the whole team at 1164 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,800 Ghosh, that, that, that whole faculty, it's, it's incredible. 1165 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,000 We're, we're pushing it because we believe in it and it's 1166 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000 inspired us and we wanted to, to inspire others. 1167 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,080 And I know how much time and effort and, and, and passion and 1168 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,560 love that you, that you put into every single idea that's put out 1169 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,280 in those books. And we appreciate everything. 1170 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,880 I'll show you an idea in closing. 1171 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,640 Somebody reminded me that's in Hollywood for Shabbat. 1172 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,000 That's called in residence this weekend. 1173 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,960 And one of my ex students reminded me of something I said 1174 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,280 years ago on a teal or on a Shabbat or whatever it was we 1175 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,080 were. You know, we're in a Shabbat 1176 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,480 somewhere and we're near site and there was a building site 1177 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,640 next next door and there's a sign in Hebrew under 1178 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,280 construction. It says Sakana Kanbunin or that 1179 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,840 means in Hebrew danger. Now here we're building. 1180 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,320 I'm saying it's basically like like every construction site. 1181 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,960 There's like a it says construction site like keep away 1182 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:11,600 or be careful. So by chance it was, I saw that 1183 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,800 sign and I gave him the Sikha about, about the land of Israel 1184 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,200 and it's dangerous in Israel. Goodbye. 1185 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,920 But why is it dangerous? There's second out starting a 1186 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,640 state. Why? 1187 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,200 Because you're building something. 1188 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,560 No, you can't build something without taking without there's 1189 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,720 dangers. So one approach is don't build 1190 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,320 anything. No, if you're worried about the 1191 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,320 building site, so I can say, OK, let's not build or I can build, 1192 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,640 but we're a hard hat. Like protect yourself. 1193 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,600 But if you're going to build something, there's dangers. 1194 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,760 Being aware of the dangers that you can't be careless when 1195 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,440 you're building, you have to take, you know, safety 1196 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,800 precautions, but you have to build. 1197 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,960 And when you build, there's inherent dangers. 1198 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,400 You have to be careful of them, but the, the it's dangerous in 1199 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,200 Israel because we're building, you're building a state, but 1200 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,400 doesn't mean not to build. You have to build something when 1201 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,120 you're, when you're have the approach and you're studying 1202 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,600 Torah, there's dangers in in approach, but that's not a 1203 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,600 reason not to build, but do it carefully and be aware of the 1204 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,680 danger. But that's not a reason. 1205 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,360 The fact that it's a dangerous. So it doesn't mean not to do it, 1206 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,760 but that also means that everyone should be on the 1207 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,160 construction site. And therefore, if there's, it's 1208 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,080 totally legitimate approach, it doesn't like it brings it 1209 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,240 sometimes the dangers that way. It's it's what's called risk 1210 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,440 risk management. Same thing when you said when 1211 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,320 you send a kid to yeshiva, know where do you send them? 1212 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,840 You know, a place that's going to inspire them, a place that's 1213 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,200 going to look, it depends on the child and brokers. 1214 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,480 And there's lots of different, you know, gap year programs and 1215 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,880 you have to pick the one that the student needs that, you 1216 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,320 know, fits his religious needs. But with that idea, I've been 1217 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,800 you guys are building something also, you know, using the 1218 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,440 Internet for good reasons, you know, people listening, but 1219 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,400 hearing different opinions and hearing alternative approaches. 1220 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,240 That's that's that's how we grow, but we have to do it 1221 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,800 respectfully. That's the the I would like I'll 1222 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,480 and one last last line is there's always good reasons for 1223 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,280 Sinatri Nam and got it. There's always reasons for 1224 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,680 baseless hatred. And that's our sometimes our 1225 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,520 biggest national problem. That's and there's no there 1226 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,760 shouldn't. That's exactly there's that's 1227 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,480 what Sinatri Nam is when and and be aware of that all the time. 1228 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,440 That's that that's a real message of the O safe story. 1229 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,600 But that's we have to be careful. 1230 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,960 That's we we have to see each others as partners and argue 1231 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,360 respectfully and and look, tries to understand the other side, 1232 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,640 but also be that the entire side and together that's how we build 1233 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,720 a nation. OK. 1234 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,720 Anyway, thank you so much. This was so important to do. 1235 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,960 This was so important to do. We really appreciate your time. 1236 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,000 Thank you so much. And we have thank Yaakov 1237 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,400 Beasley. It was his idea that I should. 1238 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,480 Wonderful. Now, now that we're on the 1239 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,000 topic, let's let's thank Ravi Yaakov Beasley. 1240 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,360 He he went out of his way, emailed us, tried to get you on 1241 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,080 the podcast and we he was amazing on the podcast as well. 1242 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,440 And we're very thankful and grateful that the network we've 1243 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,080 created also just being even connected to these great rabbis, 1244 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,280 is just such a. Yeah, really, it's an honor. 1245 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,760 It's a real honor, so thank you so much. 1246 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,280 OK, OK. Have a good week. 1247 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:17,920 OK, bye, bye.