1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,560 Welcome to Judaism Demystified, a podcast for the perplexed. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,320 Join us as we explore some of the most fascinating Jewish and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Torah related topics with our esteemed guests. 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,560 By tackling some of the biggest questions you likely won't find 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,000 addressed elsewhere, we aim to shed light on important issues 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,600 and inspire a return to the fundamentals. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:28,880 Enjoy the show. Thank you for joining the 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,480 Judaism Demystified podcast. This is a very challenging time 9 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:37,000 in Jewish history, so we appreciate you making the time 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,840 to discuss something that's very sensitive and important. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,280 And we'll just begin with this. The attacks on October 7th were 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,160 traumatic and and transformative for Jews worldwide, particularly 13 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,640 those in Israel. Following these events, you have 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,600 been more vocal on social media about issues within the Haredi 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 community, concerns that you were previously more hesitant to 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,880 express. It is strikingly apparent now 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,600 how, for the most part, religious leadership has failed 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,160 to contribute meaningful insights, reflections and ideas 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,320 to guide us through these times and beyond. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,840 In fact, it's the everyday people like the influencers who 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,440 have taken the role of leadership and advocacy. 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,600 How did the events of of October 7th influence your decision to 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,720 speak out more openly, and why do you believe this moment has 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,240 changed your approach? OK, so, and, and first of all, 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,600 thank you for for inviting me to this podcast. 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,480 I'm, I'm actually, I appreciate the opportunity to reach out to 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,560 your audience. And, and I think that question 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,880 is an important question and, and I'd like to unpack it 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,080 because it's, it's a bit complex, right? 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,760 But there is this idea that many Jews have had for the last few 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,120 decades and especially since the Six Day War, because in the 6th 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,080 Day War, the state of Israel was really in a more sense of mortal 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,360 danger. There was a sense of mortal 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,400 danger in the country and people were preparing for the worst and 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,800 nothing bad happened. Thank God they were miracles. 36 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,960 And not only that, but we actually expanded the land of 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Israel and we conquered Yoda, Beshebron, the Golan, the Sinai 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,000 Desert. So because of that experience 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 and similar experiences over the course of the history, the 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,080 modern history of the modern state of Israel, there's been 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,040 this kind of like attitude. Nothing bad can really happen. 42 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,760 God is protecting us, which which is all true. 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,880 And then lawyer Numa loyal Shantrum. 44 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,320 But he says, of course, I believe that. 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:41,880 I still believe that. But here's the thing, what 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:48,760 October 7th showed us and I will explain in some detail, is that 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,720 yes, God protects us from our enemies, but God does not 48 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,040 protect us from our stupidity. And it's important to understand 49 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:06,440 that meaning and and God does so many miracles for but I think it 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,800 was Haram Bam, who said that if a person acts in a stupid way, 51 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,000 but then there'll be consequences to acting in a 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,080 stupid way. So all the miracles in the world 53 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,000 are great and they're wonderful. And yet we can still screw it 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,840 up. And when I say screw it up, and 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,840 I want to read you a verse from Yeshaya, because this really 56 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,440 goes to what I was feeling after October 7th. 57 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,920 This is chapter 29 in the in the in the book of Isaiah, the Basuk 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,960 says hit Mahamehu Utmahhu. Now Isaiah is describing a 59 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,840 calamity, contemporary calamity that was taking place in his 60 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,600 days, namely the king of Assyria. 61 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Samhariv was coming to Jerusalem and he's describing some 62 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,480 calamity where Samhariv is about to conquer Jerusalem. 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,160 Some people say it's talking about that. 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,960 That's a consensus. Other people say no, it's 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,640 talking about the future Gogo Magog. 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,800 OK, but what he says, what Yeshaya says this calamity is 67 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:18,040 taking place, stop and ponder and then he says utmau. 68 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,160 And if you ponder you will be shocked because you will be 69 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,640 thinking and you will understand what happened. 70 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,600 And then he starts here. He starts rule means you will 71 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,280 wake up the show and then you have an obligation to wake up 72 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:44,200 others. I was pondering about October 73 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:52,120 7th and it shook me to the core and I woke up and I want to wake 74 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,400 up others and let me tell you what I was thinking about South. 75 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Going back to that idea, nothing bad can happen to the Jewish 76 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,960 people. We're in Israel, there's 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,120 miracles happening. And I realized we were wrong and 78 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,800 it shocked me, right? Because it means that we can 79 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,280 really mess it up. Meaning we messed up so badly on 80 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:16,400 October 7th and God forbid if we don't learn the lesson, we can 81 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 mess up again. Now when you think about it, 82 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,040 what happened, what led to October 7th was this series of 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,280 historical mistakes by Amir Israel, by our leaders. 84 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Let, let me, let me look at this from a logical perspective and 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,440 then from a religious theological perspective. 86 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,120 And I think it's important to do that. 87 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,120 Think about Oslo. The premise of Oslo was that the 88 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,920 Jewish people we will bring into the land of Israel, This is in 89 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,000 the 90s, right, 1994. So we bring into the land of 90 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Israel terrorists who murdered Jews. 91 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,800 Yassin Arafat, he was the number one terrorist. 92 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,800 He was already in exile. He was in Tunisia. 93 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,600 Let's bring him back, let's bring him to Israel. 94 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Let's forgive him for all the murders of the Jews. 95 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,160 Let's give him weapons, let's give him land. 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,120 And somehow everything will work out. 97 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,760 It'll all be good. That was Oslo 1994. 98 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,960 And then there was a series of other similar events. 99 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,360 That was Oslo 2. Then there was the finally, the 100 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,840 culmination was when we in 2005, the disengage, disengagement 101 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,840 from Gaza, where again, this time we just ran away from Gaza 102 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:41,320 and said everything will be great, this will work out, there 103 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,440 will finally be peace. So here we see a series of 104 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,080 historical events. So let's ponder about that. 105 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,880 That's what I did. So you're ready to ponder. 106 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:57,480 OK, let's say a person, he sees a purse, there's a purse on the 107 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,240 table, doesn't belong to him that has money in it. 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,880 So now he wants the money. Is it moral to take the money? 109 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,760 No. Now as a rabbi, from a 110 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,520 theological perspective, I believe that if he takes the 111 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,920 money, no benefit will come from taking the money. 112 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Meaning if you do an evil act, no good will come to the people, 113 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 to the person, or to people who do evil, right? 114 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,920 But you think about it, this person may not have a 115 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,040 theological or moral compass. And he said, you know, I want 116 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,080 the money. I know that if I take the money, 117 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,440 it'll be in my hand. I have it. 118 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,880 So logically speaking, he just took the money. 119 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,560 He has the money, let's say $100, and it's here. 120 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,200 Don't bring theology to me. OK, So that so this person is 121 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,480 conflicted. There is the morality of action. 122 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,320 He doesn't care about it, but he does care about the logical 123 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:02,120 aspect is I just got the money, so I can't excuse that. 124 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,440 But I can understand that people do bad things and people don't 125 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,240 always act in accordance with morality and in accordance with 126 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,080 theology. People do bad things. 127 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 And I believe nobody gets away with anything always. 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,320 I believe that a bad act will never bring good on to a person. 129 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:28,400 OK let's think about Oslo. Jews were getting murdered. 130 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:37,400 Arafat murdered thousands of Jews in cold blood in 1974. 131 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,360 For those of you who don't know, just to give you a little 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,480 history, his hench men took over a school in northern Israel and 133 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,960 alot they massacred 23 school children. 134 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,920 I'm just bringing this because it's so horrific and I want 135 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:57,440 people to understand this is a really bad person now from a 136 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,720 theological perspective. Now, let's Fast forward from 137 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,720 1974 and over the 1970s. There were many terrorist 138 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,520 incidents and eventually was exiled to Tunisia, as I said. 139 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,200 But let's think of this from a theological perspective. 140 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:17,280 Who thinks that rewarding Arafat for the murder of thousands of 141 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Jews will bring a blessing upon the Jewish people? 142 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:26,160 Who thinks that? Well, I mean, I think you have 143 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,080 to be godless to believe that, right? 144 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,400 I mean, anybody who thinks that, oh, yeah, we, we'll bring out of 145 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,040 this is a great idea. Let's bring this murderer. 146 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,840 Let's bring him and his hench men who were exiled from. 147 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,760 They were thrown out of Jordan. They were thrown out of Lebanon. 148 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,720 Nobody wanted them. They were thrown out of Lebanon, 149 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,520 right? Nobody wanted them because 150 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,240 wherever they want, they made trouble, right? 151 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,280 They murdered thousands of Jews. Ruthless brutality, right? 152 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Who thinks in his right mind, hey, great idea, let's reward 153 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,040 him by making him the head of the Palestinian Authority, 154 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,000 giving him a Nobel priest prize, giving him weapons, giving him 155 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 money, giving him international legitimacy, bring him into 156 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Israel. It's all going to be great. 157 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,240 So from a theological perspective, as a rabbi, I found 158 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:20,000 this to be an abomination. But here's the thing, I dare 159 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:29,280 keep my mouth shut because many rabbis far greater than me said 160 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:34,880 no, no, this is great. There was a rabbi in Shadecion. 161 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,600 Rabbi Heck. He eventually lost his job. 162 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,560 He was thrown out of the synagogue because he was against 163 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,360 as well, because he saw the abomination for what it was. 164 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Other rabbis turned against him from Israel, from the Shahs 165 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:53,320 party. And I keep asking myself, who 166 00:10:53,320 --> 00:11:01,160 are these religious figures that don't understand that committing 167 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:07,160 an immoral act, committing a travesty, forgiving the death of 168 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:13,240 thousands of Jews, forgiving the death of those 23 children is a 169 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,240 travesty. And they thought that this will 170 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,960 be great. OK, put the theological on the 171 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,000 side. I said, I want to examine this 172 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,160 from a logical perspective. OK, let's go back to that 173 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,840 robber. When that robber robbed the 174 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,680 money, what happened? He had $100 in his hand. 175 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,720 He said, I don't believe in God. I don't believe in morality. 176 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,640 I got this $100. Well, that's what he thought, 177 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,120 right? So I want to ask a question. 178 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Let's think about this logically. 179 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Adafat killed thousands of Jews. He was in Jordan, he fermented a 180 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,600 revolution there, they kicked him out. 181 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,400 He was in Lebanon, he fermented. I don't know about that. 182 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,120 They kicked him out. Wherever he went, fermented 183 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,520 problems. Who actually thinks that? 184 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Taking a terrorist that has a record of murdering Jews, giving 185 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,160 him guns, giving him money, Who actually thought logically, not 186 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,200 the old put, put the theology on the side, put put godless people 187 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,520 on the side. Just logically this is going to 188 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,480 bring peace. The disengagement from Gaza. 189 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,440 Who logically thought that leaving Gaza in the hands of 190 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,440 Hamas and and that very day they were burning down the Jewish 191 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,720 synagogues and burning down the Jewish houses and and burning 192 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,280 down the greenhouses that the Jew that Israel gave him all 193 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,840 these agricultural, agricultural technology, everything was burnt 194 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,400 down that very day and he started shooting rockets into 195 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,640 Israel. Who logically thought that this 196 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,320 is going to be good? Well, the answer is a lot of 197 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:53,520 people, a lot, a lot of people thought this is. 198 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,760 Yeah, Well, of course, don't you dare speak against it. 199 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,680 We'll cancel you if you speak against it. 200 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,760 So. So I'm going back to this verse 201 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,400 in Isaiah, which says wake up. And when you wake, I want no, 202 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,000 First it says think, stop and think. 203 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,400 And when you stop and think, you'll be shocked. 204 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,600 And I'm shocked, and I was against Oslo and I was against 205 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,920 the disengagement. But I'm shocked because I'm 206 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,160 thinking about it. What's going on, what, what 207 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,280 happened? And the verse ends that I want 208 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,720 to read to you. The end of the verse, Shahrou, 209 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,360 the loyain, there are people, this is literally the 210 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,720 continuation of that same verse. There are people who are drunk 211 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,560 even though they did not drink any wine. 212 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Now, Oh, there are people who sway and act in an irrational 213 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,760 fashion, like as a fellow, they're inebriated with alcohol, 214 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,240 but they didn't drink any alcohol, right? 215 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,640 So there was a madness that took over the Jewish people, 216 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,400 including our religious leadership. 217 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,400 Not all of it, not all of it. But I want to share with you a 218 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,200 story just to show you how dramatic it was. 219 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,800 This is before the disengagement in Gaza, a well known religious 220 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 figure, a political religious figure. 221 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,720 And it wasn't from Shas this time. 222 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,560 It was from the national religious, more moderate Nam 223 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Khalidi. He was invited to my synagogue. 224 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,400 I used to pray in a Moroccan synagogue. 225 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,760 And he stood up there because there was some opposition to the 226 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,360 disengagement. There were some people like me 227 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,840 who thought, oh, it might be bad to give Hamas Gaza. 228 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,640 Right? Like, you're right. 229 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Brilliant on my part to figure that out. 230 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,080 Anyway, so this rabbi is there and he's actually preaching to 231 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,760 the synagogue. How dare we go against the 232 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,760 government, the government of Israel? 233 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,600 Everyone has to accept the rule of law and the government 234 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,400 establishes the law and we have no right to speak out. 235 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,400 I'm like, I'm listening to this and I'm like, I mean, what are 236 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,240 you talking about? Isn't that exactly what the 237 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Nazis said? We were just following orders. 238 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,760 So the rabbi is going on how every soldier has to follow the 239 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,320 orders he is given by his commanders to evacuate Jews from 240 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,320 their houses, even if they don't want to get out. 241 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,120 And that's what happened. And that's what happened, right? 242 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,600 They literally went out and they took the Jews out of their 243 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,360 houses. They kick Jews out of their 244 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,040 houses. And if a soldier refused to do 245 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,400 it, he was terrified. I feel bad for these soldiers, 246 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,000 by the way. I don't blame the soldiers. 247 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,120 God forbid. My son, by the way, is a combat 248 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,200 soldier. I don't know what he would have 249 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,640 done and what I would have done if they told him go and kick 250 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,640 that jewel out of his house. It would have been a horrible 251 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,280 feeling. I would have told him to go to 252 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,600 jail. But it's not so easy to tell 253 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,200 somebody to lose their Army career and to really, I mean, 254 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,360 it's it's devastating to one's life, right. 255 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,320 So, you know, I'm like, I speak. Oh, yeah. 256 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,240 But I told him to go to jail. But it sounds such a simple 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,920 thing. But the fact is, I don't blame 258 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,080 the soldiers. I blame the the, the leadership 259 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,680 and a lot of the religious leadership supported this 260 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:53,200 horrible, immoral travesty which had no logical support. 261 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,520 So it had no support at the theological level. 262 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,720 It had no support at the logical level. 263 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:03,400 So what are you doing? And we come to October 7th. 264 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,800 Who would have thought that this would have happened? 265 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:14,600 So at this point I realized it's time to speak up and to say the 266 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,200 truth. All I can do is I can say the 267 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,880 truth. I can provide information. 268 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,920 People will reach whatever conclusion they want to reach. 269 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,920 I was shocked thinking this whole thing, and I hope that 270 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,480 some of the people hearing this are shocked when they find out 271 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,080 what actually happened. What led to October 7th that 272 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,360 will complete failure of leadership, secular religious, 273 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,240 all the I mean and there was of course many people who are good. 274 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,800 God forbid I'm not I have to say this, but maybe I can just take 275 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,480 a step back. God forbid that I should indict 276 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,280 all everyone. No, there was there were many 277 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,880 people who were against also there were many people who are 278 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,440 against the disengagement, but the majority would shut up the 279 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,600 minority and tell them you have no right to speak. 280 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,760 And that's really devastating. So I want to just piggyback on 281 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,440 something you just said before. First of all, the mistakes of 282 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,640 the nation as a whole. The the Korban according to the 283 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Rambam occurred. The destruction of the Bethamic 284 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,040 dash occurred because people were involved in magical 285 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,599 thinking and astrology and all these nonsensical things instead 286 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,280 of actually being prepared like a normal civilization would be. 287 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,840 The other part is that I think people would, would have a, an 288 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,520 issue with is saying that how can our leaders, especially 289 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,920 rabbinic leaders make these kinds of mistakes? 290 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,920 But we see a precedent for that even in, you know, the, the 291 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Torah with, with Kohen Gadol bringing the korban Qatat for 292 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,240 the mistakes of leadership, right? 293 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,880 Leaders can make mistakes. And I think that's also, you 294 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,520 know, an important point to make, that not only can our 295 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,080 nation make mistakes, but also our leaders can make mistakes, 296 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,400 even the rabbis. 100% Now, Moshe Albano was not politically 297 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 involved. He wasn't a politician. 298 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,760 He was truly a man of God. And yet he did make a mistake, 299 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,240 right when he sent them in a gleam. 300 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,560 He made a mistake. It was a political mistake. 301 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,520 It wasn't a moral mistake. I don't compare his mistake to 302 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,080 the rabbis who supported Oslo or to the rabbis who supported the 303 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,320 disengagement. Of course not. 304 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,920 That was just evil stupidity. OK, so I, I, I need to, I'm not 305 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,720 going to be gentle about this. That was actual evil stupidity 306 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,080 as Jews are getting murdered because before the disengagement 307 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,240 in 2005, the Jews were getting murdered on a daily basis by 308 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,520 these Hamas terrorists to whom they gave the Gaza Strip. 309 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,240 I mean, it's just remarkable evil, but OK. 310 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,640 But let's. But to your point, you are 311 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,600 correct in Jewish thinking, there is no such thing as a St. 312 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,680 You want a St. Christians have Saints. 313 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,960 We don't have Saints, we have hakamim. 314 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,160 The hakamim are fallible. They can make a mistake. 315 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,480 God can get angry at them for their mistake. 316 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,200 And the greatest man that ever lived and ever shall live musher 317 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,280 abenu. He did make a mistake and 318 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,720 sending the meta gleam, he shouldn't have done it. 319 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,440 It was a political mistake and he paid dearly for that mistake 320 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,880 because that's why ultimately that was the beginning of the 321 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,600 end for him, right? So in terms of not entering the 322 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:29,720 land of Israel. Yeah. 323 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,520 So one of one of the parts that I wanted you to maybe expand on 324 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,840 a little bit is I'm wondering, I'm curious to, to know what you 325 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,360 think about this. We at this moment in time, we, 326 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,440 we kind of, we're kind of desperate for leadership. 327 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,520 There isn't that voice that is kind of like a leading us 328 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,400 through this period to tell us like about ideas and 329 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,080 perspectives and how do we go about the future of Judaism. 330 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,800 I'm finding that we're, you know, the rabbi's aren't really 331 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,680 stepping up. Maybe I'm wrong. 332 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,280 I'm finding that it's more of the influencers on social media 333 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,320 who are really like the the everyday people and we have. 334 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,000 Unfortunately, clownish kind of rabbits going on social media 335 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,840 and going on these these shows on the news and debating people 336 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,480 and calling themselves America's rabbi and all these kinds of 337 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,760 things. Why do you think it is today 338 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,120 that we we're lacking this kind of these these religious voices 339 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,040 that can lead us? I'm sure that they exist. 340 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,920 I'm you're one of them, but they're kind of, you know, not 341 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,080 so in the forefront. People are turning to the 342 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,960 everyday people for leadership. Yeah, look, authentic Torah 343 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Judaism is very different from Western world thinking. 344 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:51,000 The Western world's thought processes is based upon Greek 345 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,920 civilization and Greek metaphysics. 346 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Judaism proposes a completely different process, a completely 347 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,560 different approach to understanding the world. 348 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,760 And these two approaches, one side the Western world, the 349 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,040 other side Torah. And I'll give you an example of 350 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,520 some of the differences. Hey, I'm an American. 351 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,360 I was raised in America. I was born in America. 352 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,400 I watch American TV shows, I watch American movies. 353 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 What do you think is going to be more attractive to me as a 354 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,320 person, a rabbi who represents Greek metaphysics or a rabbi 355 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,680 represents authentic Torah Judaism? 356 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,320 What do you think is going to talk to me more as a person? 357 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,480 The Greek. OK, well, right. 358 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,720 So, so I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. 359 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,200 You know, in Judaism, in in Greek civilization, there's an 360 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,680 emphasis on the visual, right? So if you read the stories, if 361 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,120 you read the poetry, if you read the mythology, they always 362 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:56,120 describe things in great visual detail. 363 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,120 Right now, Greek philosophy, Platonic metaphysics, is based 364 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,320 on the shapes of things, and there's a perfect shape, and the 365 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,920 visual represents the truth and the absolute truth. 366 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,760 OK, so this is in Greek thinking. 367 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,880 Now let's look at Torah thinking. 368 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,960 What did Abraham Abinu look like? 369 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,480 What about Yzlak? What about Yakov? 370 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,840 What about Moshe? Then Moshe then look like 371 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,320 Charlton Heston. Or maybe he looked like Woody 372 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,680 Allen, God forbid. What did he look like? 373 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,800 I I don't know. The Torah never tells us Sarah, 374 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,160 men, we know she was beautiful, doesn't tell us how she was 375 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,480 beautiful. We just know she was beautiful 376 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,280 because we need to understand the story. 377 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Why it is a parole. And then Abimele kidnapped her, 378 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,760 right? But other than that, we would 379 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,840 not have known a thing about Sarah, right? 380 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,080 So the Torah has zero visual details unless it's pertinent to 381 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,400 the story and to understanding the story. 382 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,200 So what is important to Jewish thinking? 383 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,320 So we're more interested in words, in the words that are 384 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,640 spoken. Is there truth in these words, 385 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,720 right? Or words that are written text? 386 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,640 We're very interested in text, right? 387 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520 So we have different types of a different type of text. 388 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,520 We have Tolacheva al Pair, Tolacheva, Taleman, Tolacheva. 389 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,080 We have different categories. We have different categories. 390 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,520 But this whole idea is it's completely foreign to the 391 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Western mind, right? So now I am a simple Jew, raised 392 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,520 in America. The rabbi walks in with the 393 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,320 beard, very handsome and tall. And then he starts, starts 394 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600 speaking about the Kabbalah. And listen, I'm an empty, 395 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,880 vacuous person. He's talking to me about 396 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,560 mysticism, right? And it's, it's very exciting. 397 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,120 It's very intriguing. I mean, it has nothing to do 398 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,560 with authentic Jewish Kabbalah, obviously, right? 399 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Because authentic Jewish Kabbalah cannot be taught to a 400 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,600 person who is ignorant of Judaism. 401 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,440 But it doesn't matter because it's a type of magic. 402 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,840 And it's kind of exciting, right? 403 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:14,160 So the challenge is, are people willing to give up their Western 404 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,600 thought patterns in favor of Jewish blood patterns? 405 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,240 And if they're not willing to do that, there will be 406 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,920 consequences. Well said. 407 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Yeah. Do you have anything to add or 408 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,280 I? Think I was just well said, 409 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:40,160 nothing to add there. Very well said. 410 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,680 OK, so let's let's did you, did you finish to say everything you 411 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,280 wanted to say regarding our first question? 412 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000 I mean, you know, I think the first question was why did I 413 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,280 decide to speak out? And you know, what was it? 414 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560 So I think that verse in Isaiah really it just the verse in 415 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,800 Isaiah actually spoke to. Me and. 416 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120 It really was where I just said, you know, we have to. 417 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,760 This was shocking. I'm shocked. 418 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,200 You know, this idea there was a rabbi in the 80s was very 419 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040 familiar with me and my father in Jerusalem. 420 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080 And when I was young, I said, come on, what do you say? 421 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,200 But I was young, whatever. And he used to say, this is back 422 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,160 in the 80s. I don't know that the state of 423 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,320 Israel will exist forever, meaning that this return of the 424 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,400 Jews to the land of Israel will be permanent. 425 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200 And in my mind, I said, well, this guy's a little. 426 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,640 I mean, he was, you know, I like, I was young. 427 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,160 I had that idea. Nothing bad can happen to the 428 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Jews. We all say never again. 429 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,880 Write that whole idea, right? And I was wrong. 430 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,960 I don't know that that's the case. 431 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,920 I think we can really mess things up. 432 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,720 Do I believe that this is the return of the Jews to Israel? 433 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,200 Yes. Do I believe that this is the 434 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,480 end of God? Yes. 435 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Do I believe that this will eventually lead to the Messianic 436 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,760 era? Yes. 437 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,560 What will happen between then and now? 438 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,400 How many people will be killed? How many people will be raped? 439 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,800 How many people will be whatever? 440 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,080 And that's where I'm concerned. You know your point regarding 441 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:17,000 this session with visuals, you know, it's even even in the in 442 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,760 the Swarim, like you go to a bookstore like the the Swarim. 443 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,160 It's, it's more like, you know, they make sure to give like 444 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,760 beautiful covers and beautiful like, you know, especially when 445 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,600 you have like the, the books that talk about like Rabaim, you 446 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,160 know, you know, the and, and some of them are, are good, but 447 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,160 like even the one with the Murano, what a, what a covered 448 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,160 it, you know, and it's almost like, and I'm guilty of this 449 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,400 growing up, I'm guilty of this. So that's why I came to my mind. 450 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,040 There's almost like this feeling like the beauty that they put 451 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,320 into the book. When you start to read it, you 452 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,440 think everything there is going to be true in a, in a, in a 453 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,920 weird way. I don't know how to explain to 454 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,520 you what I mean. It's, it's almost like it's, 455 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,680 it's, it's doing something, you know what I mean? 456 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,800 But we we've lost connection to, you know, content and critical 457 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,760 thinking and to be able to really understand wisdom without 458 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,880 the, the, the cover, you know what I mean? 459 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,960 OK. Well, let, let me just address 460 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,800 that. And I, I don't mean to suggest 461 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,880 that there's no nothing the visual has to do with the 462 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,480 imaginative faculty art art. There's some beautiful artworks. 463 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520 I don't mean to come off as saying that it's valueless, 464 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000 right? Because we know, for example, 465 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,240 the Quan Gadol had beautiful clothing and we say they have a 466 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,040 good divided. So it's not valueless, right? 467 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,280 But the point is, a Jewish person is less interested in 468 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,560 what he looks like, and he's more interested in the words 469 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,800 that come out of his mouth and the intelligence of the person. 470 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,120 Now let's look at the Quan gadol. 471 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,120 The Quan Gadol can be an unbelievably beautiful horsen in 472 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,520 his medal, in his character traits and his behavior. 473 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,760 He could be a a leader who really inspires people, and part 474 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,000 of that is the way he looks. Fair enough. 475 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,760 But you can have a Koengadol who looks beautiful, who wears the 476 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,080 same clothing, who was very handsome, and the answers to 477 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,520 Kalashima, as he did in the days of Baicheni, were practically 478 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,240 every year they had to change the Koengadol. 479 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,960 There was Yahanan Koengadol. He was 80 years. 480 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,880 It was Shimana Sidiq was 40 years. 481 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680 It was Ishmael Ben would get died. 482 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,960 It was, I think 12 years. There were a few koanim that 483 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,040 lasted for a long time, but the majority of the koanim gaddolim, 484 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720 they died that year. So they were beautiful, but they 485 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,440 entered the Kodashim and they were not worthy to enter the 486 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,520 Kodashim and they died. So I'm not rejecting beauty. 487 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,520 I'm rejecting beauty as the criteria through which to judge. 488 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520 And that's where Judaism is unique. 489 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840 You can go to the Art Museum if you need to and enjoy it. 490 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Nothing wrong with it. But understand that's de Mayo, 491 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800 that's imagination. That is not the way to judge the 492 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,640 reality of the situation. Very good. 493 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,520 OK, so one of the most contentious issues between the 494 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,960 Haredi community and the state of Israel has been military 495 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,160 service. While some Khalidim volunteered 496 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,560 for the army after the attacks, the majority did not, and many 497 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Kharidi leaders continue to oppose any involvement with the 498 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,120 IDF for the state, even during wartime, yet continue to benefit 499 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,760 from its resources. Some leaders, like the Chief 500 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,680 Rabbi Ravitra Joseph, have suggested that if Kharidim were 501 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760 drafted, they should all leave the country. 502 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,520 What is your response to Kharidi leaders who reject any 503 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,400 connection with the Army or any type of national service? 504 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,440 How do you respond to the use of arguments such as Chevy Levy did 505 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,360 not go out to war or our tourist study protects protects us to 506 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,760 justify their stance? And before you get into your 507 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,440 answer, maybe you can give us kind of a broad understanding of 508 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440 what the Khairidi situation in Israel with the extreme poverty 509 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,880 rates, the lack of, you know, education, the tax burden they 510 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,240 pose in society, just just to give people a perspective. 511 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,680 It it all, Yeah, this all, you know. 512 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,240 OK. So, so first let me give you 513 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,720 just kind of the background, you know, and then we can kind of 514 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,560 get into the other issues. So, yeah, so the background is 515 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,280 that let's say you have a Hadid living in Maybrock. 516 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:45,160 The general lifestyle is where we have to go to Kolel Kolel as 517 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000 a Kolel person, he will get a particular monthly stipend. 518 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,240 It's not going to, it's not going to be enough to live on 519 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,480 whatever the stipend is. I don't know what it is, but I'm 520 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,440 just throwing a number. Let's say it's 2000 check outs 521 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,240 or 3000, I don't know. Let's say about $1000 a month 522 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,600 about. So he's, he's not going to make 523 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,640 the, he's not going to make the month. 524 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600 It's not going to work for him. His wife is going to be working 525 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,040 full time. Probably. 526 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,080 Maybe he'll do a night time Kolel. 527 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Maybe he'll do a Kolel in the daytime and a night time Kolel. 528 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,480 He might work a job on the side, but he wouldn't want people to 529 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,640 know that he's working because working is considered like it's 530 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,600 it's it's considered an embarrassment. 531 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,960 You can't let people know you're working. 532 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440 That's like, right, because working is bad. 533 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,480 Only starting to lie is good. Working is bad. 534 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120 So he might work at night on another job or he might go to a 535 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760 second call L if he gets accept accepted to a second call L. 536 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,040 And it's going to be a very difficult lifestyle, one of one 537 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,400 of poverty, right? The kids probably will go to 538 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,760 some one of the religious schools in the area. 539 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360 The education is not the best, at least not in terms of 540 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880 mathematics. And, you know, just basic 541 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,920 fundamental knowledge in the Sephardic world. 542 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,360 We've always emphasized how a complete person has to have 543 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,320 Hochman has to have no things. That's a no mathematics, it's a 544 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760 no astronomy, it's a no physics, it's a no chemistry, biology, 545 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,880 etcetera, etcetera. Has to not understand the world, 546 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,440 but OK, but they don't have that. 547 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,680 And but here's the thing, and this is the way it works. 548 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,560 So and when somebody came to me and told me this, that's how I 549 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040 know this. You know, I lived in Israel. 550 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,840 Honestly, it wasn't the easiest place in the world to live. 551 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,920 There's an old joke that if if you want to have $1,000,000 in 552 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680 Israel, you should come with $10 million and then little bit, 553 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,800 little bit with a whittle it down to a million. 554 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,200 OK. So I live there. 555 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280 So once somebody came to me and he says, listen, he was a rabbi, 556 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560 says listen, you're very, you know, you're a good speaker. 557 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Why don't you start at Koilo? This is OK. 558 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,320 Like, what do you was? I was curious. 559 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680 He intrigued me. Listen, the way it works is as 560 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,240 follows. Your students are going to get a 561 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,600 monthly stipend from the government. 562 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,400 But the way it works is the Roshi Shiva gets the key, a high 563 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,040 percentage of that monthly stipend. 564 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,080 So let's say the stipend again, I'm I'm probably off on the 565 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,560 numbers, but let's say the stipend is like 4000 checkers. 566 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,600 So you'll take 1500 per student leaving in with 2500. 567 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,920 They'll live in poverty, but you will have a great lifestyle 568 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560 because they've got like 20 students and now it's like 569 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,800 30,000 shekels a month and each one of them is getting 2500 570 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,440 shekels a month. So it's true they live in 571 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280 poverty, but you can make good money this way. 572 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800 I, I chose not to do this. OK, I, I made that personal 573 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,640 choice. Wow. 574 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120 I feel like I have to take a shower just talking about that 575 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,760 honestly. I didn't know this, I had to 576 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,640 forget that how it goes. Right. 577 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,000 Wow. So there is that, there is that 578 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720 and it's a problem. It's it's a problem. 579 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,600 OK, so I think we and, and of course, doing the Army is very 580 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,880 bad. You can't do the Army. 581 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,880 The reason in my opinion, they don't want anybody doing the 582 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,440 Army is because once you do the Army, you get out into the real 583 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800 world. There's job opportunities. 584 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,520 You may decide, hey, I can get a job, I can work. 585 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,159 Once you work and get a job, you don't necessarily need to vote 586 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,080 for Shas or De la Torra because you don't need them to support 587 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,679 you because now you're kind of like working. 588 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,639 So you don't need the monthly stipend that you would get right 589 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,159 when they're in power, right? So there's something happening 590 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,560 here that I would consider to be. 591 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,760 A little nature. Well, yeah, OK, we can. 592 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,239 We can use different adjectives to describe it, but I think. 593 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,199 How did they get around? How did they get around the 594 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,880 Halaqta, You know, according to the Rambama, where, you know, a 595 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,040 person cannot just rely on this kind of charity for, you know, 596 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,400 learning Torah for they might come to, let's say, steal, 597 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,880 right? That that's the whole idea, the 598 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,080 warning about that. And not only that, we have the 599 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,719 famous Agada of Rabishon by Yochai in The Cave, the whole 600 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,480 there are many agada, but that particularly stands out because 601 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640 he comes out of it and he's punished because he doesn't 602 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,480 understand that the world is not just about learning. 603 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,080 It's it's about doing. So how, how do they get around 604 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,640 these? Like what? 605 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160 What is the justification? Just so we understand the the 606 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560 mindset all. Right. 607 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:19,440 So how do I put this? OK, let's let me let me say this 608 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720 from the perspective of Jewish law of Allah. 609 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,600 There is no justification. OK, I'll think even further from 610 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,360 the perspective of Jewish law, for a person to say I don't want 611 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,600 to work is not a good thing. It's an Avon, right? 612 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:49,880 The Gemara that states explicitly in a for those who 613 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,840 want to check it out, it brings a pasuk. 614 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,160 The pasuk says a person. This is a pasuk in Taylim which 615 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:07,240 says that if a person works hard and he and he eats the food that 616 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:13,040 is the fruit of his own labor, you're a fortunate person, the 617 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480 tovlak, and this is really good for you. 618 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,720 This is the pasuka taylim. On that pasuka taylim, the 619 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,200 Gemara myself, Belahot, says, this is great. 620 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,480 You're fortunate that in this world you can enjoy eating the 621 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:38,440 food that you worked for, but the real reward for working is 622 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,480 in the world to come. So the Gemara says Gadol and 623 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,760 nehenen Mia riya kapav Mia reshammain, right? 624 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,240 That a person who works hard is actually a higher mother of God 625 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,520 than a person who has hiracha mine. 626 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,640 It's hyperbole up, but the point is very clear that from the 627 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,480 perspective of Judaism, of Torah Judaism, right? 628 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,720 Of course, it's a misvah to work and to support yourself and not 629 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,160 to live off charity, right? Of course. 630 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,600 I mean, this is explicit, right? In Bnei Barack today, if you 631 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,800 want your daughter to get married, so you're going to go 632 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,400 to Shah Khanit, right? Marriage. 633 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,080 I don't know. You said in English, right? 634 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,200 The matchmaker, right? Matchmaker. 635 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,760 Matchmaker. Make me a match, right? 636 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,160 So match. OK, so you go to Shah Khanit. 637 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440 Now you got to put the resume. She's another matchmaker is 638 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,760 going to give you somebody. He studies in the coil half a 639 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,800 day and he works half a day. Oh my gosh. 640 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,640 What type of person are you giving my daughter? 641 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,840 A person who works, meaning you, you would try to hide that fact. 642 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,560 If you were the father of the potential groom, you wouldn't 643 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,320 put it on the resume that he works. 644 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,200 That's considered like an embarrassment, right? 645 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,480 So from a societal perspective, this is complete lunacy, right? 646 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880 You understand that, right? I mean, of course it's lunacy, 647 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,760 but from a Torah perspective, it's an now what makes it a 648 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,080 it's, it's a double avera. OK, let me explain to you why 649 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,760 it's a double avera. The avera is you don't want to 650 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,720 work when the Torah says you should work, right? 651 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,440 But it's a double avera because, look, there are people who live 652 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,640 in moral rot. It happens. 653 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,480 What are you going to do? Humanity ain't perfect. 654 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200 I got it. People make mistakes. 655 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520 They don't want to work. I don't know. 656 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,280 They want to do jobs that are bad jobs. 657 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,160 Dishonesty. There's a lot of moral rot in 658 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,640 the world. I have one thing I want to say 659 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,960 about moral rot and people who live in moral rot. 660 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,880 If you're going to do it, don't impute your moral rot on the 661 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,640 Torah. That is the biggest havon 662 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,440 possible. You are desecrating the Torah 663 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,000 when you say, yeah, I live in moral wrath, I'm a parasite, but 664 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,680 it's OK. This is what the Torah wants me 665 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080 to do. You have just done a double of 666 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,640 on because had you just said I don't want to work, OK, I got to 667 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,480 listen. I know there are people who for 668 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,920 some reason some people have psychological issues, they can't 669 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,840 work. It's OK. 670 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,600 I'm actually sympathetic to people's weaknesses. 671 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,120 I'm kind of liberal in that way. I'm not liberal when it comes to 672 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,840 desecrating the Torah. I'm not liberal when it comes to 673 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,360 desecrating God's name. And that's what these people are 674 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:38,400 doing. They are causing in Israel a 675 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,880 terrible rift in society where people see those individuals and 676 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,280 they say, oh, look at the Torah. According to the Torah, they can 677 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,440 live like that and they end up hating the Torah. 678 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,360 That's a real problem. There's a lot of hatred in 679 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080 Israel today. But I was there as a religious 680 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,440 person and my son goes to the army and he works and I worked 681 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,400 and, and, but they saw me with a keypad and you can tell when 682 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,880 they dislike you. This is a very big problem. 683 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,560 Now, with your permission, I want to bring to your attention. 684 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,640 They always bring up this thing. Torato Umanuto. 685 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,920 Oh, this is Shiva boy. Torato Umanuto. 686 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,080 Torato Umanuto means his. His Torah is his work. 687 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,040 And they will say, oh, Torato umanuto, don't you hear that all 688 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,000 the time? All that. 689 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:37,520 But the level of ignorance among the religious authorities in 690 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,800 Israel, the rabbi's, is simply staggering. 691 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,040 OK, let me tell you what Torato Umanuto actually means. 692 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,920 This is from the Gemara. It is explicit in the Gemara. 693 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,640 It's in Massacre Shabbat. Daf yod aleph ahmud aleph. 694 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,560 I actually printed out the Gemara with your permission. 695 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:03,440 I want to read it. Hold on one second, Torato 696 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,400 Umanuto, there's a there's a Mishnah in Massacre Shabbat that 697 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,240 deals with. The question is, do you have to 698 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:17,440 stop what you're doing if it's a time for Tefilat Minha and let's 699 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,960 say maybe you're taking a haircut. 700 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640 Maybe you're you're doing something that you're not 701 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,320 supposed to do before Minha. You're having a meal. 702 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,960 And then the gamana says, well, you shouldn't start doing that 703 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,520 before Minha. They meet Hilo and Mexican. 704 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,880 But if you started doing it, OK, continue the meal, continue the 705 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560 haircut, OK. And then the Mishna says, but 706 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,600 you do start for the gamana, says Tanya. 707 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,360 I'm reading it now. Tamila Hakami, more sitting 708 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:51,360 down, studying Torah. Mapsi keen likhli akhima. 709 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,680 If it's time for Kari akhima, they have to stop. 710 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,280 They have to stop studying Torah. 711 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,720 And that's basically akhima, meaning Kari akhima is more 712 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,680 important than Talmud Torah. OK, simple. 713 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,480 The end. Mapsi keen la tefella. 714 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,520 But if they're studying Torah and it's time to pray, they 715 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,960 don't have to stop for Tepilla. They can continue studying Torah 716 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,760 even though it's time to pray. Why? 717 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,680 Because the Talmud Torah is the oraita. 718 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,120 And the times, the times of the prayer are so we can pray later. 719 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,720 All right, now, here's here's the magic word. 720 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,640 You remember, you hear that every single time there's a 721 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,680 dialogue about whether they should or shouldn't serve in the 722 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,280 army. OK, I'm going to be Ohana. 723 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,120 He examines his belata. He says, Los Chanu, when do we 724 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,160 say that if a person is studying Torah or studying Torah, that 725 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:54,640 they don't have to stop If it's time to pray, they have to stop 726 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:01,840 for they don't have to stop for prayer. 727 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,760 The Bishop on, but you're high and the people who follow the 728 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,120 Bishop on, but you're high who they study Torah all day. 729 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:14,960 These are the greatest Tanaim in Jewish history, right? 730 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,480 They when they study Torah, he's in the Miata with his son 731 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,920 studying Torah, this fire around them. 732 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,400 And we say, you know, you don't have to stop for, for Tefila 733 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,920 because you're this fire of Torah around you. 734 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,720 So don't stop, continue. It's beautiful. 735 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,680 Avale Kevon Anu, the bio hanan who was one of the greatest 736 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040 semorahim ever. No, we didn't reach that level. 737 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,920 We didn't reach that level. It's a joke. 738 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,640 It's a joke. I'm sorry, it's a joke. 739 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,040 I'm nothing against the yeshiva buckers. 740 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,160 Beautiful. They have a thing where recently 741 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,080 they saw all of them went to a soccer game and and and and they 742 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,800 brought it in a derogatory fashion. 743 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,320 I want them to go see soccer. It's OK. 744 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,520 They should see soccer games. But please, Toratan Umanutan. 745 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,240 Are you joking? All of the hakamim of the gamana 746 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,160 say no, no, we're not at that level. 747 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,200 That was the tanayim. And not all the tanayim. 748 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,880 But you're high. OK. 749 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,280 All right, so whatever we come, whatever comes out of this 750 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:25,440 podcast, can people stop using the term Tora Tor umanuto, 751 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,360 please? I'm begging you. 752 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,200 It's it doesn't make any sense. That's all. 753 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,080 We can stop the podcast. That's where we can continue. 754 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,000 It's up to you. My, my, my issue is like, I 755 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,360 think maybe 100 years ago they were expecting, OK, a Rafa 756 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,880 Vaidya type of person. That guy maybe should be, you 757 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,520 know, studying all day the once in a generation kind of mind, 758 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,800 but an entire society that is that is built off of this 759 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,080 mentality. It's it's bound to go haywire 760 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,480 And it's it's almost like, you know, they they'll also use as a 761 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,160 car as a balloon thing. But The thing is the taxpayers 762 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,840 are supporting you have a gun to their head. 763 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,120 They don't have a choice in the matter. 764 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:07,960 This is not the same comparison. So I think this is a very, very 765 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,280 deep problem, but I I wanted to get into Rav Ravitzak Yosef's 766 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,480 comments before we get to the next segment because that was. 767 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,200 Like, wait, hold on, can I interject for one second? 768 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,760 You just said. I'm still processing what you 769 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,160 said before. Incredible. 770 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,080 But OK, yeah, go on. OK, the BSF Catholic to your 771 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,600 point about however, they all say OK, great. 772 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,200 They're they're they're they're geniuses and we should have a 773 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000 community scholarship. I really believe that the same 774 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040 we have scholarships for universities and people going to 775 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,640 university and we give them a scholarship. 776 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,560 IA 100% believe we should have scholarships for students to 777 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,000 study. Voila, but that's the study 778 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,600 Torah and then go out to the world and do whatever it is you 779 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,840 want to do. You want to become a teacher, 780 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680 you want to become a mohair, you want to become a Sofair. 781 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680 You want to contribute however it is you want to contribute. 782 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,040 No problem. I'm not against scholarships. 783 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,720 I support scholarship. I personally believe that would 784 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,920 love to give money to a good scholarship to have Tamidaka 785 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,280 Kamim studying Torah. It would be my pleasure to do 786 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,800 that. I think I'm also did that. 787 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,160 I'm not against that. I'm against the idea that you're 788 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,960 not going to work and in the working, all you're going to do 789 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,800 is study Torah and that's it. Now, if you won motto, oh, go 790 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,640 for it, go for it, do it, love it, right? 791 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,720 That that's that's one thing right now. 792 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,680 He was in, he came from Yemen. He wanted to study. 793 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,360 They said, no problem, we'll take care of you. 794 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440 But he didn't like it. But he had to take the money. 795 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,800 He paid back every single penny. He worked after he finished and 796 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,360 he paid back. I think he was, I believe he was 797 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,480 a silversmith. I believe, I, I believe he, he 798 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,960 made things with metal OK. He worked and he paid back every 799 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,440 penny. Now, nobody tell me that because 800 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,800 of the BSF Kafk worked that somehow we didn't really, he 801 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,800 didn't reach the level of some of these yeshiva buffers in 802 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,800 Pennyrak. Please don't, don't say that I 803 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,680 mean this. The BSF Kafk was OK, he paid 804 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,600 back every penny. That was to your point. 805 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,120 Now I know you had another question. 806 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,120 I'm willing. To there's these two problematic 807 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,000 statements which I don't think are accurate, but it's the idea 808 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040 of first of all telling everyone they should leave the country if 809 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,280 if we're drafted, that's number one. 810 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,440 Number two is Chevy Levy did not go to war using that as the 811 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,240 justification, which is also not true. 812 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,760 And the our Torah protects all right. 813 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,800 Torah itself is a is a protection, right? 814 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,760 Let me. OK, So let me deal for us with 815 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,040 the statement of the Chief Rabbi. 816 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,960 You know, I just remember Chief Rabbis. 817 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,880 They were unifying figures who exuded leadership and love and, 818 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,360 and, and when they spoke, there was a certain wisdom in their 819 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,560 words and the wisdom was appreciated by everyone. 820 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,240 There were people who were less religious. 821 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,680 Maybe they didn't care so much for it, but there was nothing. 822 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,400 You can, you know, it, it, it, it, it was a unifying moment 823 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,600 when you you would hear the chief Rabbi speaking. 824 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,800 So he would get on the radio and there and he would, he would, he 825 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,360 would speak. It was, it was a beautiful 826 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,640 moment in the bus or in the taxi or the house where the radio was 827 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,840 on and they would be listening to his words. 828 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,920 I miss those days. I really do. 829 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,520 You know, there's a certain, there's a certain callousness 830 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640 when a chief rabbi, let's say you believe, let's say you 831 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,440 believe that the yeshiva students are at a higher level 832 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,200 than the soldiers who are getting killed. 833 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,960 Right, Right. Let's say you believe that. 834 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,960 You don't have to say that because there's parents who 835 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,880 actually lost their children. So when you as a chief rabbi 836 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,200 say, yeah, him lose a who these people, they didn't, they don't 837 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,160 have the merits that we have, right. 838 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,760 So the parents of the soldiers who died in the battle or the 839 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,560 parents of the soldiers who are in the Gaza Strip and they're 840 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,240 afraid for their children and the rabbi is saying they don't 841 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,880 have the real merit. You know what the merit is? 842 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,960 The Yeshiva Bachar is in Beninbach and Punovich in 843 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,640 Jerusalem. It, it's it's a bit callous, 844 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,040 isn't it, For lack of a better word. 845 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,640 I, I I really miss the days when chief rabbis would, would open 846 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,640 their mouths and they would be, you know, you would feel 847 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,200 inspired. You would feel loved. 848 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,320 You would feel a sense of, you know, Yeah. 849 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,400 We're all part of army style. We're going to leave the country 850 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,440 if they force us to be in the army. 851 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,520 Why does anybody need to force you to be in the army? 852 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,200 It's a misvah. It's a there's no mahaloquet. 853 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,320 Somethings is mahaloquet, right? There's a lot of things that's 854 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,560 mahaloquet to Judaism. This isn't one of them. 855 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,880 If there's a Muhammad misvah, which is defined by Jewish law 856 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,240 as a Muhammad for the survival of the country where they want 857 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,760 to kill Jews and, and you need to like defend yourself and the 858 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,640 people who want to kill you. Let's call the Muhammad misvah. 859 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,880 One of the ideas of Muhammad misvah. 860 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,600 Everybody has to go to the Muhammad misvah. 861 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,920 So what does it mean if they force us to serve? 862 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,240 But you're the chief rabbi. You know what the halacha is. 863 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,360 Why should anybody have to force you to serve that? 864 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,160 You're threatening that they force us to serve. 865 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,200 We're going to leave the country. 866 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,840 Oh, I mean, I don't know. I want to show you this book. 867 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,840 This book was written by Harapsulo Mogorin. 868 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,760 It is. It's a beautiful book. 869 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:45,080 It is autobiography. I really like the book and 870 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,080 introduced me to the Ashkenazid and I, you know, it was, it was 871 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,080 good for me. It was good for me to read about 872 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,400 him. So he describes his life coming 873 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,000 to Israel and how they were safe from the Holocaust. 874 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,720 He describes the war of independence in Israel. 875 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,720 And he describes how the Khalidim and now Shahrim and the 876 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,920 other yeshiva, they all joined the war. 877 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,520 What happened to our yeshiva Bakwas and we can't fight in the 878 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,640 war, but what happened? No, no, read the book. 879 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,560 It's all in here where he talks about the 1948 war, war of 880 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,960 independence in Israel. He describes how well the 881 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,480 Kharadim went and they joined the army. 882 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,880 Of course. I mean, well, why? 883 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,240 Why should that even be surprising? 884 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,400 I mean, the fact that we think it's surprising means that 885 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,280 we're, is there something crazy happening? 886 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,880 And I mean, no, they're coming to kill you, but you should be 887 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,360 in the yeshiva studying Toyota. Where where did we ever see that 888 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,720 Moshella then? I think he was kind of, you 889 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,520 know, at the age of 120, he was a Tolas scholar. 890 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,720 Some, some would make that argument, right? 891 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,120 He went to war personally. He personally went to war. 892 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,280 He wasn't maybe he didn't reach the level of level of Onavich. 893 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,480 I get it. But he still, we could say it 894 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,200 was the Yeshiva Bahar, right? He went to war. 895 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,000 What? Where does it say in the Torah? 896 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,440 Who was exempt from the army? Where does it say that? 897 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,880 Now this thing that they love quoting about Chevit Levy. 898 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,840 OK, let's put the law of Chevit Levy on the side. 899 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,080 I will explain the law in a moment. 900 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,320 Are they Levine? So you said because I'm studying 901 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,440 Torah, but I'm Chevit Levy. OK, so let me ask you a 902 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560 question, Missus Chevit Levy. Since you're Chevit Levy. 903 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,080 OK, good. You're going to get married. 904 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,680 Now you can have a first born. You're actually Israel before 905 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,040 you started starting today, Israel. 906 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,120 Now you're Levy. Are you going to do pidon on 907 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,480 your band? Levy doesn't have to do pidon de 908 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,320 holot on the band, does he? On his son. 909 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,360 Are you going to do it? You're Shabbat Levy, you don't 910 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,880 have to do pidon de holot. I guess right when the when the 911 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640 Mashiach comes here, they give you Marseille because you're 912 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,040 starting to. I mean, this is complete 913 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,800 lunatic. Nobody, nobody, no intelligent 914 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,360 Torres scholar will make that argument. 915 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,680 It is a ludicrous. It is not a serious argument. 916 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,000 It's just not serious. Now, there is a law that when 917 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,920 there's a Muhammad Mizvah, everybody has to go to the 918 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,440 Muhammad Mizvah. Adambam says let me see if I can 919 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,280 find the halacha in Adambam. It's at the end of Give me a 920 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,000 moment. It's at the end of the very, 921 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,200 very last paragraph. Hold on one second. 922 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,000 Yeah, give me a moment. I'm just opening up Adambam. 923 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:42,400 I'm opening up the mishnet Torah sepher Zerahim. 924 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,240 OK, here it is. Vishnet Torah sepher Zerahim. 925 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,680 I'm sorry for the delay. No worries. 926 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,200 Here it is. OK. 927 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,120 I want to read it to you so you hear what he says. 928 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,760 He says and and it and it and it. 929 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,960 And it really is important when you read Alaka, when you read 930 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,880 Torah, to be made that. Yet I said earlier there were 931 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,920 people of words and text, right? So you have to be sensitive to 932 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,280 what the Alaqa says here. It does speak about Shevit Levy, 933 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,400 and it says that when Shevit Levy is in the war, they go to 934 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,520 the war. But it says that Shevit Levy 935 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,280 doesn't have a right to the war booty. 936 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,520 They're excluded from that. It says Shevit Levy is not going 937 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,880 to get a nahala, a piece of land in Israel, because they got the 938 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,160 adehal veheem. So we don't give that to them. 939 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:42,840 And then and he explains why and then it says lo, orehin milhama 940 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,600 kheshali sell. And the LO orehin, the word is 941 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,840 orehin milhama kheshali sell. So what does it mean? 942 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,640 Orehin milhana, what does that word mean? 943 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,560 Doesn't say lo. You'll see in the milhama. 944 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,760 It can't say that because throughout Jewish history, 945 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,240 Levine did go out to the war. He went to the word Migyan, 946 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,840 right and over and over again we saw over and over again Levine 947 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,640 mentioned in the Tanakh who were out in the war. 948 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,440 So what does that mean? La Aror means to prepare 949 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,920 something. So let me explain to you. 950 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,720 So for example, in the book of Shemu El, during that first 951 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:23,080 battle between the Israelites and the Philistines, there was 952 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,840 they were on their respective hills. 953 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,400 The Jewish people are were in heaven ISM and the Philistines 954 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,560 were in Atheca. So that's where the Mahadev was. 955 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,960 That's where the military base was. 956 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,000 Now, once you see the military base, you begin to plan how 957 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,680 you're going to be doing the battle. 958 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,960 So it's kind of like when you're in football, you see the 959 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,480 formation of the other side. So you huddle together and you 960 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,120 say you're going to go here, you're going to go do this. 961 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,960 You're making the plan for the next move. 962 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,320 Lot of the female Hamas, the Levine, are not involved in the 963 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,760 tactical aspects of the warfare, right? 964 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,160 Why? I think it makes sense. 965 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,640 I'm a rabbi. I think about Torah. 966 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,720 I have a certain logical thought pattern, I hope. 967 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,280 Right. And and, and and and. 968 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,280 Sometimes for war, that type of thought pattern doesn't work. 969 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,080 You need to have people who are more shrewd, more cunning. 970 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,240 Oh, wait, go there. They're going to chase you 971 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:14,120 there. And then we're going to come 972 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,680 from the other side, whatever, whatever it is. 973 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,120 So it doesn't say Loyosin Lorekin Mehama. 974 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,520 OK. But again, the whole discussion 975 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,520 is obviated by the fact that in reality they are not Levim. 976 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,000 And in reality, Levim do have to go to Muhammad Assad just like 977 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,920 everybody else. And the laws of Livia do not 978 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,400 apply of of the levy don't don't apply today in Israel, Right? 979 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,000 I mean, that's that's that's the truth. 980 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,800 When the mushiya comes, you'll have to decide what to do with 981 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,240 the Levim and how to deploy us. But yeah, OK. 982 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,160 So actually Rabbi Sachs had a quote, I'm not going to remember 983 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,280 it, but he there was something along the lines of the fact that 984 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,920 today the one of the biggest problems in Judaism is that the, 985 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,000 the pose Kalacha and the community rabbi are completely 986 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,480 like, there's a complete divide between them. 987 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200 Because how do you give Sak if you're not, if you're not, if 988 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,760 you're not aware of the actual problems that are happening in 989 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,400 the community, right? So, so I feel like there's a, 990 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,400 there's a lot of that. That's what's changed from the 991 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,360 time of Rav Rav Goran. I think that there's the, the 992 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,240 disconnect has deepened for some reason. 993 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,840 I don't know why that is. I'm wondering if you have any 994 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:29,000 ideas of why that happened? I, I think people are just in 995 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,880 Israel or in America and Israel. I can talk about Israel. 996 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,040 I, I think, you know, people are just upset. 997 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:41,000 I mean, it's hard to make a look look, OK, why is Israel allowing 998 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,200 Hezbollah to bomb them now since October 8th? 999 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,600 Why now? If you drew a new map of Israel 1000 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,360 today, let's be honest, the map would be truncated. 1001 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,600 You want to have the north of Israel? 1002 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,760 Israel does not have a monopoly of violence, which is how Thomas 1003 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,760 Hobbes and Leviathan define sovereignty. 1004 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,960 And that definition of sovereignty is, is is applicable 1005 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,720 today. Israel does not have a monopoly 1006 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,800 of violence over the northern part of Israel. 1007 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,120 In fact, most of the people who used to live in the northern 1008 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,120 part of Israel, they had the refugees somewhere in the middle 1009 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,400 of the country living in small hotel rooms. 1010 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320 So we lost the north of Israel. So I'd like to ask a question. 1011 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,640 Why do you think that is? Well, we don't have enough 1012 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,360 soldiers. You know, there's so much that 1013 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,760 that the soldiers can do, right? They've been in Gaza now for 1014 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,040 close to a year. You know, God bless all of them. 1015 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,400 My son was was in Gaza for I don't know how many months. 1016 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,960 You know, there's so much these boys can do, right? 1017 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:48,600 As Shemi Shmedemine said in now the Khalidi community, 1018 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,080 theoretically, and I could be all about the numbers here, so I 1019 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,800 apologize, they can be contributing between 12 to 1020 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,000 15,000 soldiers a year. They could have been an extra 1021 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,440 100,000 soldiers easily from the Khalidi community. 1022 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:09,320 So they're taking away some of the tax money so they can study 1023 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,320 in in the coil. They refuse to serve in the 1024 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,840 army. They look down upon the people 1025 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,480 who do pay their salaries and do send their children to the army. 1026 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:29,120 I mean, jeez, I'm like a little concerned that there's civil 1027 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,080 strife in Israel, but I'm not surprised. 1028 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,160 I'm not surprised it. Will be the majority. 1029 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,800 It will be the majority in 2060 I think. 1030 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,160 Something like I think I read a study. 1031 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,560 So you tell me what's going to happen? 1032 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,200 What's going to happen to the state of Israel? 1033 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,600 You're right. They're going to be the majority 1034 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,880 soon. And and they say so and they 1035 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,520 gloat about it. I mean, it's kind of funny, you 1036 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,640 know, it's, it's really funny, like in a very tragic sense, 1037 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,560 because do you understand what you're saying? 1038 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,560 Who's going to be protecting you? 1039 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,560 Who's going to be paying your salaries? 1040 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040 There's going to be no one left. And by the way, I speak to 1041 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,600 people in Israel, I, I, I, I hate saying this, but there's 1042 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,720 people who are trying to leave and, or leaving because they 1043 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,240 realize like this can't go on. It can't. 1044 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,080 So again, God can protect us from our enemies. 1045 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,400 He can't protect us from our stupidity. 1046 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,720 Well said, well said. And how would you, obviously I 1047 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,640 think you touched on it, but just these other part which was 1048 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,440 that Torah study can protect us that where is this idea coming 1049 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,640 from and and how would you educate them about this? 1050 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,720 OK, so first, so let's let's say one thing and then I'll say 1051 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,000 another thing. There was no place you're going 1052 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,120 to see in the Gemara that there was a battle. 1053 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,440 And some rabbis sat down and started saying to Heli, OK, the 1054 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,960 rabbis. Lavina Malk himself, Lavina Malk 1055 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,520 himself, when his son was his child was sick, he didn't say to 1056 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,760 Helene, right. So these things are these are 1057 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,440 new phenomenon. Right, OK, so now and the 1058 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,880 rabbis, they all went to war against the Romans in the days 1059 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,120 about you. Who's OK now? 1060 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,440 There is a municipal rule which has to do with municipal 1061 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,000 taxation which favors the Tami Dahakamim. 1062 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,040 There are certain things in Jewish law where we give certain 1063 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,880 favoritism to Tami Dahakamim by virtue of the fact that they 1064 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,080 studied. One of these municipal rules is 1065 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,800 that when you have a tax levy on the city, the So you have 1066 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,640 different types of taxes, you know, whatever for, for 1067 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,840 infrastructure. But one of the taxes that he 1068 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,680 established for protection of the city because they would have 1069 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,880 like night Watchmen would go around the city and and protect. 1070 01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,640 So one of the special attacks benefits of Attani Hakam for 1071 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,560 municipal law purposes was that he wouldn't have to pay those 1072 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,280 taxes to protect the city. That is correct, right. 1073 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,920 That is true. That doesn't contradict the law 1074 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,520 that when there was a Muslim against an external enemy that 1075 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,240 every single person must go to a Muslim. 1076 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,160 Just to show you how dramatic the law is that Amban writes. 1077 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,880 And it's based on the get my eyes not making it up. 1078 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:31,880 Athiru Hatan mehrupato, like Allah, even a young groom and a 1079 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,440 bride who just got married, if need be to defend the land of 1080 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,600 Israel, we send them to the battle to defend US against the 1081 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,200 the enemies of the Jews. But again, this shows a certain 1082 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:48,920 type of sloppy thinking, right? Meaning let's say you go to a 1083 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,920 tax lawyer, you know, and the tax lawyer says, you know, you 1084 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,080 have a certain exemption, right? You're exempt from tax because I 1085 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,720 know you were a teacher and as a teacher you got certain 1086 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,480 benefits, you know, say, ah, so if I'm exempt from tax as a 1087 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,720 teacher from, from that, I also don't have to, I don't have to 1088 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,600 pay when I go there's, there's no, you know, there is an 1089 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,120 exemption, correct? Take it. 1090 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,720 It's lovely. Say thank you. 1091 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,520 Nobody's giving you more than the exemption. 1092 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,280 So this whole idea that because there's an exemption for 1093 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,880 municipal taxes, I'm exempt from El Hamit Nisbah, but it doesn't 1094 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,880 say that there is no exemption from El Hamit Nisbah. 1095 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,480 So again, it's it's a type of sloppy thinking. 1096 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,280 It's not serious. No serious Democrat is going to 1097 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,240 speak like this and and actually try to convince other serious 1098 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,360 people of the veracity of what he is saying. 1099 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,840 You know, I was going to go to the third question, but I'm 1100 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,760 thinking based on what you just said, I think we should do the 1101 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,160 4th question 1st. And I'll tell you why because I 1102 01:03:52,160 --> 01:04:00,920 think that part of what the Kharidi leaders or the Kharidi 1103 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,360 world might respond to you here is that what you're saying is 1104 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,600 correct. So long as they would have 1105 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:15,640 actually recognized Israel as Eretisrael, meaning, meaning as 1106 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,880 long as Israel is run by a secular government. 1107 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,560 They're not really they're openly, they openly are anti 1108 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:30,280 zionistical and they don't recognize it as as a as Erit 1109 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,960 Israel within the function of Allah where there were to be a, 1110 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:42,480 a legitimized Erit Israel. But rather they see it as a 1111 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:49,000 secular government has come in and as defiled, defiled the land 1112 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,080 and that in reality that land should not even we shouldn't 1113 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,080 even be in the land in this current state. 1114 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,360 Though I think that what they would say to you when you're 1115 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,920 looking at this is all you're saying is correct. 1116 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,560 Kahama Abraham, everything you're saying is correct except 1117 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:14,360 that you are basing all this off of a off the context that we 1118 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,840 have a fully fledged legitimized Erit Israel with all its 1119 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,440 electric ramifications and everything because it is it is 1120 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,080 it is. You get what I'm trying to say. 1121 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:32,560 And so we wanted to ask you to get into the idea of Zionism, 1122 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,920 anti Zionism. What's going on here? 1123 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,880 And I also wonder if you can tie in the previous points into here 1124 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:49,880 for can they say that because they don't accept Israel as 1125 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,480 being Israel the way it would be relative towards all the hot 1126 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,520 that you're bringing out? And they think that we should 1127 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,080 actually, you know, the government should not be there 1128 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,160 and that they even should hope that, you know, Israel should 1129 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,800 should be abandoned in a way. Yet they live there. 1130 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,920 I know that's the contradiction, but I'm just saying this is how 1131 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,800 they're they don't what you say about. 1132 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,520 That they don't see the I'm not speaking for all of them, but 1133 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,280 I'm sure many of them the anti Zionist paradem. 1134 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,120 They don't see the the the stamp of approval from us, and they 1135 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,760 don't see this as a fulfillment of prophecy. 1136 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,560 I I made a long winded convoluted way of saying it but 1137 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:37,440 but the point I hope was clear. I'm not happy with the the state 1138 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,000 of affairs in Israel. Personally, I I don't like the 1139 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,640 fact that it's secular government. 1140 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,800 I don't like the fact that they're not going to allow 1141 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,120 prayer in Tel Aviv this year outside in the public. 1142 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,520 I don't like a lot of things that are happening there. 1143 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:59,000 So I'm sympathetic to that, to the concerns about that reality. 1144 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:08,200 But again, God can forgive us for making an Avon if we make 1145 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,480 the Shuva. One thing my father writes about 1146 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:16,360 is political teshuva. Political teshuva means if we 1147 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,320 act in a stupid way and we suffer as a result. 1148 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:27,080 As a nation, it's time to reconsider what we did and make 1149 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,400 teshuva as to the mistakes we made. 1150 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,080 I'm going to bring you this book again. 1151 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,160 Thank you for asking the question. 1152 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,120 So I know Slomo Godin says, and I'm probably off here on, you 1153 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,600 know, like the numbers, but he was apparently his parents, they 1154 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,120 wanted to move to Israel. This is before the Holocaust. 1155 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,600 So his father goes to the Revi. They were into that particular 1156 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,480 idea. He asked him for permission to 1157 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,920 move to Israel. The Revi says, why do you want 1158 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,360 to move to Israel? There was a lot of antagonism, 1159 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,520 knowing that many of the people who lived in Israel were 1160 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,840 irreligious, right? So when do you want to move 1161 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,960 there? So basically he said no, OK, He 1162 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,479 was a little upset. He wanted to move to Israel. 1163 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,800 So he came up with an idea, the mom of what I've got and said, 1164 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,479 you know what, let me ask my family's Rebbe and they asked 1165 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,720 her Rebbe, and he says, yes, you can move to Israel, OK. 1166 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,800 They moved to Israel. It was terrible. 1167 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,240 They lived in swamps. There was malaria, there was 1168 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,479 disease, there was infestation. It was horrible. 1169 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,720 He describes it in the book. They had a very large family in, 1170 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,080 I think it was Poland, as I recall, very large family in 1171 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,240 Poland. I know his wife had like maybe 1172 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,479 seven siblings. Maybe his father had that, you 1173 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,359 know, maybe seven siblings. I don't remember the numbers. 1174 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,760 Very large families. And they come to Israel and they 1175 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,720 were all suffering. Everybody was killed in the 1176 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,920 Holocaust. They all died. 1177 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:12,960 They came to Israel. It was secular. 1178 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:19,359 Listen, we can't tell God how to run his world. 1179 01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,160 I would have preferred that Israel was established by 1180 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,960 Sefaradi Tamim, coming from Syria, coming from Turkey, 1181 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:32,399 coming from Morocco, and it'll be all but technic it and they 1182 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,359 that's what I would have liked. Honestly, I would have liked it. 1183 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:41,960 But I got to tell you, I live in America and things don't look 1184 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,040 very good right now. I don't know who's going to win 1185 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,720 the election. I don't know what's going to 1186 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,479 happen. But if I have to go back to 1187 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,479 Israel, I'm going to go back to Israel. 1188 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,439 It's going to be my country. It's going to be the country I 1189 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,080 live in. So this whole idea of, you know, 1190 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,320 Zionism, anti Zionism, I don't know. 1191 01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,480 I mean, you know, figure it out. But understand there's 1192 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:03,040 consequences to stupidity. There's consequences. 1193 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:09,800 OK, Now this whole idea that yes, we would serve in the army 1194 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,280 if it was a religious state. Where do we see this criteria in 1195 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,680 Alaka? Where do we see Aambam saying, 1196 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:20,160 yes, if it's Mohout bed David and he's the maniac, the 1197 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:25,200 financial, then you have to go save the Jewish people because 1198 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:31,560 the enemy wants to kill you. But if he's not maniac and the 1199 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,360 enemy wants to kill you, you don't have to defend yourself. 1200 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,320 Now, if somebody has a functional prefrontal cortex, I 1201 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,800 think they may question that latter argument. 1202 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:47,720 I mean, the whole thing is absurd. 1203 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,360 The Goem want to kill the Jewish people? 1204 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,720 Malo Muvan. What is so mysterious? 1205 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,320 No, but it's a secular government. 1206 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,920 Wow. I mean, this is the level of 1207 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,040 dialogue. Is this. 1208 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,640 Are these serious people? You want to go back to Poland, 1209 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:05,920 Chief Ravan? You want? 1210 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,240 What do you want to go back to? You tell me. 1211 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,800 I don't know. Is there some magical island 1212 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,160 somewhere with unicorns and rainbows and gum drops coming 1213 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,440 out of the sky? Let me know about it. 1214 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,760 You know, I don't know about that place, though. 1215 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,160 So this whole thing is farcical. I mean, the intellectual level 1216 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,640 of debate. Is it a religious or E religious 1217 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,000 or Bibi Netanyahu? Just you know what? 1218 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,600 I don't have time for that. Fair enough. 1219 01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,920 Yeah, fair enough. I mean, you can continue asking 1220 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,480 me questions. I wanted to feel comfortable 1221 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,120 asking me questions within the time limit, you know? 1222 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:43,200 But the point is, honestly, I can't take these types of 1223 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,040 arguments seriously. Of course, and I, I've, I've got 1224 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:50,160 into discussions with anti Zionist Khairidim on online and 1225 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,600 I, I usually stump them with very simple point. 1226 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,480 Do you celebrate Hanukkah? Yes. 1227 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,160 And that's it. There's the answer right there. 1228 01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,400 That's it. How can you say, you know, like 1229 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,240 we there was someone else occupying the land. 1230 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,720 Why did you fight back? Why did we fight back? 1231 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,400 Why are we celebrating fighting back if the gwamer is supposed 1232 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,920 to have it? And according to you, you're 1233 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,760 supposed to wait for the Navi, and you're supposed to wait for 1234 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,160 the fulfillment of the of the of the Nebua. 1235 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,520 So just let it be right. But no. 1236 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,120 And that's another thing. That's another thing. 1237 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,120 So you have this belief that Beto Mcdash will come from the 1238 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:20,960 sky. I'm all for it. 1239 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,520 I would love it. Be the best. 1240 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,000 Wouldn't you be? Just be great. 1241 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,120 Maybe if you have a few unicorns of, you know, flying around, 1242 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,920 it'd be even better. OK, fair enough. 1243 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,640 But the goyim are trying to kill us. 1244 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,160 They want to kill the Jewish people. 1245 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,560 You see the anti-Semitism in Harvard, in Columbia University, 1246 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,560 in Cornell, they are saying we don't like you Mr. Jew, we want 1247 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,600 to kill you in Israel. They are trying to enter Israel 1248 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,240 not because they want to have falafel and deezing off St. 1249 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,840 because they want to kill everyone. 1250 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,200 And you're having an argument. Well, I'm anti Zionist. 1251 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,520 OK, congratulations. Maybe you should read this book 1252 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,040 and see what happened to the people who were anti Zionist. 1253 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,640 Yeah, to be. To be fair, I've I've spoken to 1254 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:09,480 a few Haredim recently and I've noticed I'm talking about from, 1255 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,000 from a from from. I'm not talking about the 1256 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,320 leaders. We're talking about just, you 1257 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,280 know, the regular people, people have mentioned that they are, 1258 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:24,960 they are a little bit even people who are wholeheartedly on 1259 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,800 the, you know, Gadolin train and on the Datura train and on the, 1260 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,680 you know, anti Zionist train. They do say right now like that 1261 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,480 they're extremely tired of the, of the rhetoric that's coming 1262 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:39,360 out. Like it's what's going on in 1263 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,280 Israel. Theoretically, it should 1264 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,880 transcend this type of conversation, which is your 1265 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,280 point, which is exactly what you're saying. 1266 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,480 People are trying to kill us. Like this is not the time for, 1267 01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,520 you know what I mean? Like, you know, Pulim and and 1268 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,200 Zionism, we're saying it's people are trying to kill us 1269 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,360 world Jews, We got to do something. 1270 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:10,200 Even even I think that from from the layman within the Haredi 1271 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,280 world, the the the people who are just, you know, the average, 1272 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,960 you know, good, mean, good meaning person, I think. 1273 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:20,320 There are many of those, by the way. 1274 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,480 I have to say there are many of those, of course. 1275 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:29,840 Of course, and, and I've noticed this kind of like, it's kind of 1276 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,640 like they, they just kind of like, they don't want to say 1277 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,920 like, you know, oh, like, you know, the, the, the leaders are 1278 01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,680 wrong. They don't want to go that far. 1279 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,120 They want to say that, but it's more like, you know, like I 1280 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,360 really just don't want to talk about this. 1281 01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:44,320 Like it's, it's their way of and essentially, essentially 1282 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,240 conceding the points without having to actually say it. 1283 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,480 And I, and I think that this is interesting because because 1284 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,960 we've talked about this in the podcast a few times, how if 1285 01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,040 change is ever gonna change comes from leadership, but 1286 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:05,080 sometimes it has to, it has to come from from the bottom up. 1287 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:11,880 People have to right there. Has to be a grassroots kind of. 1288 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:16,560 Thing yeah, sometimes there's a grassroots type of phenomenon 1289 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,480 that has to happen to to to to give the leaders a reason to 1290 01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:25,200 change their perspective so. I, I, I'd like to address that 1291 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,400 and maybe we should wrap it up with this positive note because 1292 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,080 it's a lot to be positive about. You ask me questions, I answered 1293 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,520 them, but there's a lot to be positive about. 1294 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,280 And I'd like to end with this positive, but not if that's OK 1295 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,480 with you, because it's related to what you just said. 1296 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,840 First of all, I was talking about these structures when I 1297 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,720 refer to the Kharidim. I was talking about the 1298 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,160 institutions and primarily the political institutions. 1299 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,280 There are many wonderful, and the vast majority of Kharidim 1300 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,120 and the vast majority of Khilonim and the vast majority 1301 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,760 of Jews in Israel are wonderful people and I love them. 1302 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,000 They're my brothers, They're our brothers. 1303 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,120 I feel a sense of unity with them at a very deep level. 1304 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,920 So whenever I go to Israel, when I see them, I just feel so, so 1305 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,120 much joy. I'm talking about the 1306 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,640 leadership, whether it's religious, whether it's 1307 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,280 political. I'm talking about the 1308 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:18,560 institutions that caused people to live in poverty while you 1309 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,960 know these people. Well, you you heard the story. 1310 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,040 I don't have to repeat it, but I want to tell you something my 1311 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,000 father used to tell me because my father used Alabama Shalom. 1312 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,000 He was such a great man with such so much knowledge and we 1313 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,160 should talk about it maybe in the future podcast. 1314 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,880 But you know, he taught in Hiloni institution. 1315 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,880 It was a law school, right? It wasn't Hiloni, but it was a 1316 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,560 law school. He was a professor of law. 1317 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,160 He was a professor of Taliban, Barilan University to Talmud, 1318 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,560 Gemara, and he's a professor of law in Natania Law School. 1319 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,720 And he was there for a few years. 1320 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,040 It's a shame he wasn't there for longer because of the people who 1321 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,520 went to his classes. He had hundreds of people in his 1322 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,440 classes. It was the most popular class in 1323 01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:07,720 the law school people. They were Hilonim there and they 1324 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,560 were never before introduced to Judaism. 1325 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,320 And they literally fell in love with my father and his 1326 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,600 teachings. And when my father passed away 1327 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,600 and some of them actually came to the funeral, I don't know 1328 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:22,600 what they were. And they say you don't 1329 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,800 understand what effect your father had on us as people. 1330 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,280 We never understood what the Torah is about. 1331 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,200 We never understood Judaism. And he he told it to us in such 1332 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,800 an intelligent way that we, we, it changed us as people. 1333 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,360 And, and I want to tell you something my father used to tell 1334 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,360 me. He used to tell me AB the 1335 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,080 pursuit, says Emmett Meeres Tismach. 1336 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,280 The truth is going to come from the earth. 1337 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,920 What does that mean? Means you have leadership and 1338 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,360 the leaders often times are corrupt. 1339 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:58,120 But the people, the people are going to wake up and they're 1340 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,280 going to understand that, no, there's something wrong with the 1341 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,600 people up there. There's something wrong with the 1342 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,320 people who impose themselves upon us and tell us things that 1343 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,800 don't make sense in our minds, like, oh, I'm anti Zionist, we 1344 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,160 shouldn't be in the army because we're anti Zionist. 1345 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,040 OK, very good. So admit madesty Smuck means the 1346 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,760 people will wake up, right? God will wake up the people. 1347 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:28,000 And it's actually, you know, we started with a pedic in Yeshaya. 1348 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:35,120 And there's actually Pasuka says that God will wake up the 1349 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,760 people. And maybe that's a nice way to 1350 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,960 end this part. If you give me a moment to find 1351 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,760 that pasuk. Yeah. 1352 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,680 Shya, give me a second. I'm sorry. 1353 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,760 I hate making you wait like this, but it will. 1354 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,080 I will find it here. Let's. 1355 01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,200 What? Should I use safari? 1356 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:50,760 No. Anna. 1357 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,400 Yeshaya in Nikkud. OK, here it is. 1358 01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:59,080 Yeshaya Pedik Cuff Tet. Let's see. 1359 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,920 OK, so you remember that how we started this discussion and we 1360 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,720 said that, you know, Yeshaya is, is telling us we should all wake 1361 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:15,120 up, so to speak. And then the pasuk says that 1362 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:16,920 there's going to be a state of darkness. 1363 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,520 The wise men. The wise men will not have 1364 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,160 wisdom, will be not never, not this Tatar. 1365 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,800 And the intelligent people won't have discernment, right? 1366 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:30,200 It's going to be a terrible, terrible situation, what's 1367 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,080 happening among the Jewish people. 1368 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:38,320 But then it says the shame ubayo mahua hai regime people who are 1369 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:45,520 deaf people who can't hear, they will begin to hear the they will 1370 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,920 be able to understand the words in the book because again, we're 1371 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:54,120 sensitive to words, The wisdom of words ume ofel ume Hoscher 1372 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:59,960 and from the depth of darkness Inet yvrin Terena blind people 1373 01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,760 will begin to see. I think that's that's what my 1374 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,000 father meant by Emmett Ernst is not is it a blind person that's 1375 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,080 he's hopeless. The people above are telling him 1376 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,000 ABC repeat after me ABC. How can you think anything else? 1377 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,880 And yet it will happen, right? The SFU Ana Vimba don't I seem 1378 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,080 find the humble people who knew the truth all along, but they 1379 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,080 have to be quiet and therefore they're very humble. 1380 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:23,920 They're going to be very happy, right? 1381 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,120 The Evione, Adam, Victor and the Poor. 1382 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,680 The people poor, meaning foreign knowledge, suddenly they will 1383 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,040 see the holiness of the God of Israel and they will rejoice in 1384 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,000 this holiness. So I really think it's going to 1385 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,640 happen, right? It's the same pedic in yeshaya. 1386 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,600 It will happen, and I hope we we we see it in our lifetimes. 1387 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,240 Amen. Amen. 1388 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,280 Thank you so much. We hope to do God. 1389 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,840 God willing, we should do it. We'll do Part 2 to, to cover 1390 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,840 some more topics within this subject. 1391 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,520 But as of now, we thank you so much. 1392 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:07,040 This was so important and right things that come from the heart 1393 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,920 and to the heart. And that's, that's what we hope 1394 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:16,000 to accomplish with this because, because Iggy Azman, Iggy Azman. 1395 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,240 And is that the show We should we should, we should see better 1396 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,960 times for for the nation and and for and for the Jewish people? 1397 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,920 Amen. Thank you so much. 1398 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:28,840 All the best.