1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,600 Welcome to Judaism demystified a podcast for the perplexed. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,700 We are joined by Rabbi Amin Levy. 3 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:16,300 I believe he is a practiced educator Rabbi author and 4 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:19,700 academic administrator. He has devoted his career to 5 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:22,400 teaching and preserving Sephardic, culture, law and 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,000 philosophical worldview. He is the founder and director 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,200 of The maimonides Heritage Center based in TV area, Israel 8 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:33,200 and new Ork, he authored four books, the most recent of which 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,700 is titled the mysticism of Andalusia exploring her embalms 10 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:41,700 mystical tradition, he edited two books and published numerous 11 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:45,300 articles in Jewish law, biblical exegesis and Sephardic 12 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:49,900 philosophy and Jewish mysticism without further Ado, Rabbi Amin 13 00:00:49,900 --> 00:01:00,300 Levy, thank you for joining the Judaism demystified podcasts. 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,400 We have the pleasure of having Rabbi Amin levy on the podcast. 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,300 And we want to talk about your new book, The mysticism of 16 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:14,200 Andalusia, and we wanted to know what, what it is that made? 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,300 You want to write this book and also what is the book about? 18 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:18,900 Okay, good. Thank you. 19 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:21,400 Thank you for having me on your podcast. 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,300 I appreciate it. The title of the book is the 21 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:31,100 mysticism of Andalusia exploring Haram, bombs mystical tradition 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,600 and to answer your question, what led me to publish it? 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,100 To write this book? It's 30 years of teaching, her 24 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:48,400 rambam and primarily the guide of the perplexed and what's 25 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:55,000 always been most perplexing to me, is, How? 26 00:01:56,900 --> 00:02:03,000 The guide has just been miss understood by so many very smart 27 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,100 people. That's the real truth. 28 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:15,300 How rambam himself States loud and clear that the purpose of 29 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:20,300 his more, a Honey bohème La lat Al. 30 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:28,400 Hi Reena is to teach mysticism to Each explain my sibber, a 31 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,400 sheet and my similar Cava he doesn't get more clear than 32 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,300 that. Look at his introduction to the 33 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:35,800 guy. Look at the introduction to 34 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:43,100 kralik three of the Guide chapter section to chapter 17 or 35 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:45,100 18. He says it explicitly. 36 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,000 He begins his mishneh Torah with four chapters. 37 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 The first two, explaining my simmer cover, and the next tube 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,200 explaining my cimber a sheet. Now, having said Said that and 39 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,800 and of course the world of Academia knows that the first 40 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,300 four chapters of the mishneh Torah are massive. 41 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:11,500 My calves and my saber, a sheet and yet they insist on this idea 42 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:16,400 that it's just natural sciences. That's what the rambam wants us 43 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:26,100 to know. and, I'm getting old and I said to myself, I have to 44 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:30,300 put this in writing now, I do want to say before I tell you 45 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:32,500 what, the thesis of the book is that, I'm an orphan. 46 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:37,500 That's the real truth. I'm an orphan because among my 47 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:49,600 rabbinic colleagues, I'm a provocateur and on the fringes 48 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,300 of religion and among my academic colleagues, I'm just 49 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,300 the rabbi, try to be a rabbi, you didn't say. 50 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:02,200 So the thesis, the primary Theses of my book and this is 51 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:09,200 what I've been teaching since my eyes were really open. 52 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,300 To what the guide is about that. I'm grateful to my teachers. 53 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:20,300 Qasim, you're safe for hours with Colonel Ibaka, Professor 54 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:29,000 David Blumenthal from Emory University as well as Professor 55 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,400 a rabbi is the door twerski of Harvard University. 56 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:39,300 And I do have to, you know, Express words of gratitude to 57 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:45,000 Robert Joseph, Sullivan, chick of Yeshiva, University who had 58 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,900 while not as explicit as the way I put it in my book, but 59 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:59,600 certainly understood how rambam, as you know, work of great, 60 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:07,300 great profound spiritual worth. So the Theses of my book are 61 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:11,800 threefold thesis number One, which is very important. 62 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,500 Aarambam was not an innovator. My good friend Micah Goodman in 63 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:22,700 Israel. Wrote a book called the book 64 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:26,600 that changed Judaism. Yeah, we're ready. 65 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,400 He's very upset with me because I take him to task all the time. 66 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:40,100 He's wrong flat and plain he's wrong. 67 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,100 The Marais and they became did not change Judaism. 68 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:48,000 The marina for him is an expression of a judaism's about 69 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,900 How rambam was a transmitter of the rabbinic and gonna kick 70 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,700 tradition of Judaism? There is no Source. 71 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,800 I'm sorry. This get so passionate but there 72 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:11,900 is no source. In the early to late medieval. 73 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Great Scholars. That is more authentic and a 74 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:21,800 better representation of what Judaism rabbinic Judaism is 75 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,400 about. There's no doubt with regards to 76 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,700 what I'm saying so how rambam was a transmitter? 77 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,500 And I have a new book that's coming out Biz right that shame 78 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:39,800 it's called the fathers of Andalusia and I'm tracing Rabbi 79 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,700 said. Yeah go on through. 80 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:47,400 Somali been T-Bone. Now it's a direct link of 81 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:55,300 tradition. Of a Judaism that is both. 82 00:06:57,100 --> 00:07:04,100 Profoundly mystical. discipline philosophically and rational 83 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:08,900 Csis. Number two. 84 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:23,100 Is that Haram bum, maimonides? Ruby Moshe Ben me mon Was a 85 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:28,600 great Mystic. And I know the academic world 86 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:33,200 wants to, you know, put me out in the fringes and follower in 87 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,400 the fringes. All these are just rabbis 88 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,000 talking, of course, they want to make him a Mystic. 89 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:45,700 He was an eel Aristotelian, that's what, how they want to 90 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:49,400 frame her rambam. Of course, aarambam, studied 91 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:52,900 philosophy that he had access to in the Middle. 92 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:55,700 Ages, there's no question. We do that, too. 93 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,200 But to say that he was just, you know, spitting out, you know, 94 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:04,800 Greek philosophy is nonsense and silly. 95 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:11,100 Absolutely silly what her rambam did do and my good friend 96 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,400 Professor Menachem calendar agrees with me on this is that 97 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:23,800 he utilized the language of philosophy to better explicate 98 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:27,100 Judaism. And that's what we do today. 99 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:32,700 A good Rabbi a good teacher of Judaism. 100 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:39,600 Today, we'll use contemporary modern language, that explains 101 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:45,700 and and makes clear. Ideas that are ancient and that 102 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:49,700 our own are that are our own? Does it mean that I'm buying 103 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:54,400 into you know the culture that created these Concepts or ideas 104 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,100 or refine these Concepts or ideas the opposite? 105 00:08:57,300 --> 00:09:00,800 There I'm utilizing them appropriately and responsibly 106 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,400 and that's exactly what a Haram bomb did. 107 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,800 And the third piece is in this book. 108 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,700 And and trust me when I tell you It was very hard. 109 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:19,000 To finally decide to include Those portions in my book. 110 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:26,100 They're very provocative and they're so contrary to the kind 111 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:35,300 of Judaism, we're living today. This idea that There is a 112 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:40,800 Judaism that is authentic and deeply spiritual and mystical. 113 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,500 That is not kabbalistic and is not superstitious and is not 114 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:53,400 third giuk, and is not magical, and is not full of charms, and, 115 00:09:53,400 --> 00:10:03,100 and ideas that Are not rooted in Judaism and I urge your readers 116 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:06,700 or listeners to read the chapter. 117 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:11,200 I wrote on good magic, and bad Magic. 118 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,400 Those that I have read the book telling you that that is the 119 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,600 most one of the most important chapters in the book. 120 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,100 Because two days Judaism is full of magic. 121 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,200 There will be a vote all the magic that happened in the bit 122 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:30,600 that make Dash correct that there was never a fly around the 123 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,100 meat, and on deemed through FEMA mushtaq Ravine River him, they 124 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:37,800 would stand all crowded. But then when they would bow, 125 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,500 there was plenty of Miracles happening Day and Night Magic. 126 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:46,100 And so why not other kinds of magic? 127 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:53,700 And what I show in my book is that the popular English 128 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:58,000 translations of the talmud I don't want to mention names. 129 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,900 You. I think you all know what I'm 130 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:04,300 talking about. Misread misunderstand. 131 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:12,100 Basic, get my robot to this fact, basic basic, get marooned. 132 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,900 And there's one text one time, you like text that I discussed 133 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:18,200 there, that is completely misinterpreted, and 134 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:25,900 mistranslated by the famous, popular helmet translators of 135 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:29,700 Our Generation. And so, those are the three 136 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:33,100 Theses, I don't. And I say in mind, Traduction. 137 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,200 I don't mean to divide at all, my goal really is to unify but I 138 00:11:39,208 --> 00:11:45,000 want to create a movement of those who are like-minded, who 139 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,900 want to bring at our alyoshina to bring back Judaism, to what 140 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:56,900 it originally was and what it's about, That really resonates 141 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:59,300 with us because we feel like we're trying to do the same 142 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:02,200 thing. And I think what you're doing is 143 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,600 amazing, very courageous, because obviously, you can get 144 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,700 yourself in hot water. These days, we know ourselves 145 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:13,500 when you talk about these topics but actually want to go kind of 146 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,400 one by owner. Start from the first point that 147 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,200 you made about rambam being the transmitter and of tradition and 148 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:20,900 not a dot. Yeah. 149 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:25,500 He'd so I understand why his detractors or maybe The from the 150 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:28,300 capitalistic side would want to say that. 151 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:31,500 He is like an original thinker and he's a rebel and all that. 152 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:36,900 But why is it that even some my monody ins like make a Goodman 153 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:42,000 are presenting it this way you want to add to that? 154 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:46,400 I do want to add to that. Also, that you also mentioned 155 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:50,800 the transmission. But when it comes to the Rumba 156 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,700 thumbs mysticism and the doctrine of the third Relic, he 157 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:57,100 actually He says that what he says was not a matter of 158 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:01,200 tradition and that he is on, he is basically trying to 159 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,500 understand mrs. Chisholm to the best of his own 160 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:07,100 ability, okay? So let me I have to answer that 161 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:11,100 very important point where yeah, that's that's, that's, that's 162 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:17,200 unfortunate and, you know, you need a teacher to understand 163 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,400 when you're reading these texts in the guide. 164 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:21,200 So I want, I want, I want to explain that. 165 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,400 If you mind, then you let me start with that point. 166 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Yeah, sure. All right. 167 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,400 This is very important and and you're absolutely right then see 168 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,100 on that. Her rambam says this at the end 169 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:36,500 towards the end of Kayla Kimmo but her rambam also Begins. 170 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:40,200 The marina never came with a letter to his student. 171 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,400 It's people don't even realize it's there. 172 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:49,100 The there is a preamble to his introduction of the guide and 173 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:54,300 it's a short 450 word letter to a student-run. 174 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:58,300 Student. And he says, to the student, I 175 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:03,900 found that you are worthy, we studied together and you're so 176 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:09,400 passionate about wanting to learn the secrets of the profits 177 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,800 and you're very good in logic and Mathematics and the sciences 178 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,000 and we've parted ways and being that we've parted ways. 179 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,600 I decided I'm going to put this in writing and he says the last 180 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:34,100 line of that letter is and each chapter will reach you wherever 181 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:40,100 you may be. And so, in my book, I asked the 182 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:42,600 question and I learned this from camphor. 183 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:46,600 And it actually appears also, you know, similar development in 184 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,700 his book, homo mysticus, what's this letter doing here? 185 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:58,100 Now, the academics like to, you know, talk about how the mesh 186 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:01,500 nine my second hockey, God says, you're only allowed to teach the 187 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,500 secrets of Judaism to one person at a time. 188 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,200 You know I'm saying my sibber, a sheet and my sin make about one 189 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,200 or two students at a time. So here Harem bomb is finding 190 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,100 like this, you know, strategy. I wrote this book for one 191 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:20,100 student so I'm not violating any Jewish law or any Mission a 192 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:23,700 clock. Please her and Bob knew he was 193 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:25,500 publishing this book. It was gonna be read by 194 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:28,300 thousands of people. What is Haram bomb doing in this 195 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:33,400 letter is very, very important. Aarambam tells us Fancy on that. 196 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,900 Jewish mysticism is lost. There is no such thing as the 197 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,900 written record of Jewish mysticism. 198 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:51,100 You can And why can't you because there is no language 199 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,200 that is appropriate to express a mystical experience. 200 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:03,500 The closest we have is shear has she ream which would be a Kiva 201 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,200 called kodesh qodeshim. Why? 202 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:14,500 Because she has Shirin is Poetic and a poetic attempt at 203 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:20,900 describing a profoundly deep mystical experience, Union with 204 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,200 the Divine, that's what she or has. 205 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,300 She Rheem is when it's studied correctly. 206 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,200 And if you guys want to studied with me one day, I'll blow your 207 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,400 minds terms of what she Reshiram is. 208 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:33,900 But you have to be prepared to go into a deep meditation and 209 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:39,100 really Extract the experiential element of what Shearer has 210 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,700 Shirin. As I know I'm going a little bit 211 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,900 far out for your listeners but I apologize for not at all. 212 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:47,200 How rambam is very clear language? 213 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,900 Cannot describe? Mysticism is a discipline that 214 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:56,200 is lost. So how do we access it number 215 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,500 one, every student who embarks on this process Has an 216 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:09,000 independent venue access point and so on how rambam tells his 217 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,300 student. At the end of that letter, these 218 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:13,900 chapters will reach you wherever you are. 219 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 He's not talking about a geographic location. 220 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,099 He's talking about. Each chapter will reach you at 221 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:26,800 your appropriate stage in the trajectory of Spiritual 222 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,400 Development, wherever you are. Be beshear, who sham where you 223 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,600 are at in your Spiritual Development. 224 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,500 And I experienced this all the time. 225 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:41,700 I could read chapters over and over again chapters that I read 226 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:45,900 five years ago or two years ago, a year ago and I experience it 227 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,300 differently. Completely very true. 228 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:55,300 That's what he means. now, what he's saying at the end of the 229 00:17:55,300 --> 00:18:02,500 guide Is that you have to access the spiritual, the mystical 230 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:08,800 experience individually? He saying there is II can't 231 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,900 write a book. Like, I mean, have not provided 232 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:17,700 us with Books on what the mystical expansion but it is 233 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:22,400 accessible. And if you ask me the right 234 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:29,500 questions, I'll go bring you to that but it is accessible. 235 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:38,800 You induce the experience. And I, you know, where my good 236 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,400 friend. I don't know if you read the 237 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,700 back of, you know, Professor Menachem calendars. 238 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Endorsement of my book. He says and, and my friends, 239 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,100 everybody said to me, you know, he had so many other good 240 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:51,800 endorsements. Why did you put this one? 241 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:56,500 I said, because I'm honest, he disagrees with a fundamental 242 00:18:56,500 --> 00:19:00,300 point of mine. The point he disagrees with is 243 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:08,000 that there's such a thing is Union with the divine There is 244 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:15,800 and it in my money didn't in Haram bombs economy of ideas. 245 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:22,100 The ribono Shel, Olam is transcendent which means distant 246 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:28,900 but also imminent very imminent. And can be fully experience. 247 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,200 So how could these two contradictions exist they do. 248 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:35,600 And all one has to do is look into the world of quantum, 249 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,900 physics, contradictions, and quantum physics exists all the 250 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:41,100 time. We all learned that in school 251 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:46,000 is, is light particles or waves. How could it be both? 252 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,700 It is both in Judaism. In the world of the spirit, we 253 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:53,900 have the same thing. Hashem is both Transcendent and 254 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:59,000 imminent at the same time. We have to access those points 255 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:06,600 and it's not in my quote but it's something I teach on a 256 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,300 regular basis and if you go to the Cobra, I gave a class. 257 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,300 I only allowed them to post one of my classes on mysticism. 258 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:21,300 My other classes I felt was just too far out, but for me the 259 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:27,900 point, Mysticism, is that point where we recognize? 260 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,600 How infinitesimally small we are in the scheme of the grand 261 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,200 universe. That I could just borrow who 262 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:42,800 created, but at the same time, how magnificently Grand human 263 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:49,400 consciousness is an incredible Miracle of human consciousness. 264 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:55,800 It's that point where these two meet We're mysticism in the 265 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,800 mystical experience takes place. I'm talking too much. 266 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,700 Ask me another. I hope I answered your question. 267 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,500 Hi, I'm Angie. What was your question? 268 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,700 We can go back to my original question later because now we're 269 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:22,400 on our way. 270 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,500 Um, world is still built into the structure of our physical 271 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,800 universe. So the physical universe is not 272 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,000 God the physically, right? I just want to clear that up for 273 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 people that I think the clear, you're absolutely right. 274 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,000 So let me clarify, right? Let me clarify. 275 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,100 The atomic Universe, which began. 276 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000 And I'm not a physicist. I just wanted to put that out 277 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,100 there again, 14 billion years ago, with the big bang right? 278 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:05,400 Is Masa Beret sheet. My similar Cava is going beyond 279 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:10,000 the atomic Universe. It's accessing something that's 280 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:17,800 beyond time and space now. Aarambam repeatedly says. the 281 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:27,000 first stage to knowing Hashem and accessing, imminence with 282 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Hashem is knowing knowing in order to induce this is very 283 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:43,900 important knowing in order to induce a sense of profound love, 284 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,700 and all of God, That's what it's about. 285 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,400 And so it's certainly not God. Absolutely not. 286 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,500 But it's the access point. You heard of c.s. 287 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,400 Lewis the author of the writer. Yes, yes. 288 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:05,700 So see if Louis has this fantastic little image where he 289 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:10,700 says, when you're training your dog, to fetch a stick, right? 290 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,300 So you throw your stick out into the field and you point to it. 291 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:19,200 And the dog sniffs your finger, the dog things up, you know, you 292 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,600 want him to sniff your finger. He thinks that's what's 293 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,300 important and you're trying to tell him know my fingers 294 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:27,600 pointing at something more important. 295 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:29,900 It's that stick. I want you to get. 296 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:38,200 So basically, when the universe Is pointing at is the access 297 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,200 point. It's pointing at something much 298 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,000 greater. There's another chapter in and I 299 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,200 mean I'm going to get back to you in a minute. 300 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,600 There's another chapter in the guide in the morning over cream. 301 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,900 It's section to chapter 14, I believe we're how rambam starts 302 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,100 talking about the dimensions of the universe. 303 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:58,700 You remember those chapters and he spends so much ink on telling 304 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:04,200 us that it's 800,000 Mill, this way, thousands of meal this way. 305 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:09,900 and I like to think to myself, imagine if her rambam had access 306 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:15,500 to the James Webb Telescope, if I run bomb, could really 307 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:20,700 understand what it means that see a star that is 13 billion 308 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,700 years away. So why did her rambam write 309 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:29,700 those chapters for his student, in order to induce the sense of 310 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,900 all awesomeness? That's where we have to be 311 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:40,300 inducing in ourselves, the arm of God. 312 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,500 So why don't you go ahead? And I can go on and on. 313 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,800 I hear your point and I actually think that when you say 314 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,300 Eminence, you know, sometimes people might maybe relate that 315 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,200 to the kabalistic version of eminence, but what you're really 316 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,200 trying to say is that there's no access point between man and God 317 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,200 literally it and what I just want to clear that up because 318 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,100 absolutely right. That think that's the, that's 319 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:07,900 the that's the word event is kind of a harem bomb in chapter 320 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:14,800 154, a chapter that if I when I teach the guys, I usually begin 321 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:22,800 with that chapter 154, he says that only music Arab a new Was 322 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,300 given that kind of access we're talking about. 323 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,700 But through hashem's attributes and actions. 324 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,100 We can induce and really come as close. 325 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,200 It's a trajectory of closeness. Everybody her album speaks of 326 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,300 flashes of lightning in a dark night and so the beginner 327 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,800 student gets a Flash and she's a little bit the more advanced 328 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,600 students have more access more flashes of light mascara Bane or 329 00:25:57,608 --> 00:26:01,900 not Rama V new had full daylight all the time. 330 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,800 Which was a function also of the way they lived the Providence 331 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,100 that has got experience on an ongoing basis. 332 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,000 That's the way they went on their day-to-day. 333 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,400 He in his grave he bypassed the post rational imagination. 334 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Basically, he got somewhere where no one else really ever 335 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,300 got. Okay good. 336 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,800 That's that's fellow Korean language. 337 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,200 Thank you. Yes, beautiful. 338 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:26,800 I saw that. So what I want to understand 339 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,400 actually now that we're on the topic of more in a bikini 340 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,400 because I think a lot of confusion is that we know that 341 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,200 mysticism wasn't written down, right? 342 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,700 Like you said, it was lost and there was only Russia preki not 343 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,400 lost. It could it can language that be 344 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,500 written, right? Yes. 345 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,900 There is no language that can exactly. 346 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,400 It can't be articulated, it can't be expressed and it can't 347 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,800 be written, right? So if that's the case, because I 348 00:26:51,808 --> 00:26:55,100 think a lot of confusion is for a lot of people is that people 349 00:26:55,100 --> 00:27:00,200 think that the marina became is actually massive, it's actually 350 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,300 the Moss and recover. But in reality it's just 351 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,800 pointing to its the chapter headings or mesh. 352 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,500 Yeah, shape hurricane. That's correct. 353 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,400 He says that her about that's what our mom says and that's how 354 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:15,800 you have to understand that. A letter to his student in 355 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:26,000 saying these are these are various chapters and points of 356 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:32,700 what word am I looking for of inspiration at certain points? 357 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:36,100 Your I'm saying it opens Gates, it opens venues. 358 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:41,200 And as we mature as we mature intellectually spiritually, We 359 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,300 Begin understanding these chapters, In different ways. 360 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:49,300 So, I actually had a conversation with, you know, you 361 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,800 mentioned in your book, actually, as Evie slabin for 362 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,700 David slave in from Sears, what wine for him in my book. 363 00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:01,500 I promise that one was in contact with him, because he was 364 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:06,300 asking about the opinions and approaches, because I think a 365 00:28:06,308 --> 00:28:08,800 lot of mistakes because I heard one of his presentations and he 366 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,100 mentioned Menachem Kellner and he was saying that and it's not 367 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,000 just him. There's a lot of like academics 368 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,700 who will say that Menachem Kellner Or denies that 369 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,900 maimonides in the Mystic, but when we had him on our podcast, 370 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,000 he cleared all that up. He said, of course, he is a 371 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,900 Mystic. It's just how you Define 372 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,400 mysticism that matters. So last night? 373 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,700 Yeah, go ahead. I want to hear what you have to 374 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:38,200 say about. Told me I shouldn't speak for 375 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,200 him, but You know, he regrets the title of his book. 376 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,300 People people coerced him into that title of he said that on 377 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,100 our podcast as we did say that I'm glad he's dead it good. 378 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:55,900 Because and I, you know, I was happy about that because there's 379 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,300 no doubt our rambam was a mistake, there's no doubt and 380 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:04,600 and there's no doubt that authentic Jewish mysticism is 381 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,800 grounded in. Rationalism, the first step. 382 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,600 In. Mystical Ambitions is to purge 383 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,800 the mind. Of the nonsense. 384 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,600 What? Yeah, her album talks about 385 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,100 this. He, I mean, he frames it as - 386 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,300 theology the, you know, the academics love that, you know, 387 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,000 the Greeks, came up with that - Theology, of course, who can 388 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,000 anybody, who's intelligent knows. 389 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,000 There's such a thing as negative theology because you can't, you 390 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,500 have to purge the mind. You have to clean, you have to, 391 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:47,300 you have to make your brain, tahor, the minute you start 392 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:51,900 introducing corporeality. Leti or, or any form of giving 393 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:57,500 God any form of emotions or physicality, you know, in Haram 394 00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:01,400 bombs image of the palace you're facing the wrong direction. 395 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,000 You're not even facing the palace yet, you know, you're in 396 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,400 the opposite direction. And so, the process begins with 397 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,800 that. Now, there's an interesting 398 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,500 difference between Islam and Judaism. 399 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:23,200 You know, even Cena and even rouged in these great you know 400 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,500 Islamic philosophers who were also purists in terms of 401 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,600 rationalism and philosophical Precision suggest. 402 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:39,100 Even Cena says that this is good for the educated men but the 403 00:30:39,108 --> 00:30:42,100 women and children, okay? Let them have a little bit of 404 00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:44,700 corporeality, let them have a little bit of that. 405 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,000 Her rambam. Baxter of Saadia gaon. 406 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,600 And I mean, this is traces back. Absolutely, not the children and 407 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,200 the women have to have pure of mind as well. 408 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:02,700 Have to cleanse their minds in their soul and their Spirit of 409 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,000 the again. I am sorry to use derivative 410 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:13,000 terms of the nonsense of that, which really fills the mind with 411 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,200 the, the, the yeast of of the fermented bread. 412 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,900 I'm saying we got in the eve of Passover. 413 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,000 You know, cleanse, the spirit of that I was So sad and I this 414 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,700 past week, you know, member member of our larger Community 415 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:39,500 called to tell me that his wife was diagnosed with cancer and 416 00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,500 he's been getting so many phone calls from people change your 417 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:48,600 mezuzot, the house, you know, recite certain tehillim every 418 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,100 day and he says to me Rabbi Levy. 419 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:55,400 Well what do I make of that? And so how do you respond to 420 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,900 someone like his? He's heartbroken get him saying 421 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,700 to you, he's struggling, he's suffering. 422 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,300 And believe me, if I felt that changing his who thought would 423 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,800 help even a little bit? I would say, of course, go 424 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 change your mrs. Oh, but it doesn't. 425 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,700 That is what I call really the cancer of the Soul. 426 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:24,400 It, it makes you dumber it weakens, you spiritually. 427 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:31,000 If I'm saying to you guys again, I remember I know all about this 428 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,800 is it's a horrible, horrible that, you know, and I quote in 429 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,400 my book. How in Eastern Europe? 430 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,300 Whenever a plague would hit the Jewish Community, the rabbi's 431 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,500 would do this investigation of checking people's mezuzot and if 432 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,600 a mezuzah was wrong or false, they would blame that family for 433 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,700 the plague. Oh my God. 434 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,900 And this is historically documented and you say what kind 435 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:13,200 of Judaism is that? First of all, it's so foreign to 436 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,600 rabbinic Judaism. But how could you ethically? 437 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:25,300 Morally. Even introduce something like 438 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,600 that. I'm sorry. 439 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,300 I'm talking so much. Go ahead. 440 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,700 So I actually wanted to say just for our listeners, who don't 441 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,800 know what - theology is or apophatic knowledge. 442 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:41,800 It's basically the idea that you can't you can't say, well, God 443 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,700 is but only what God is not. That's that's the way to come to 444 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:50,600 understanding of the Divine. So for for the sake of the 445 00:33:50,608 --> 00:33:53,900 conversation that we're having right now the nonsense that were 446 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:58,700 discussing is that people often project their own Own ideas of 447 00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:03,100 what God ought to be unto God and say that God is this and God 448 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:07,700 is there and he functions in this way, which will actually be 449 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,900 a great segue to our the topic of Kabbalah, which does that 450 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,400 often. But I wanted to before we move 451 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,500 ahead, I wanted to go back to our original question to you so 452 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,000 that we don't forget about that and then we can move on to the 453 00:34:19,007 --> 00:34:24,199 topic of Kabbalah which is which is why people like my mom and 454 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,100 Ians come to the conclusion. That rambam was a You know that 455 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,000 you're an innovator and you know he's kind of string from 456 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,900 tradition. Where does that come from? 457 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:40,199 That's a good question. It comes from a complete lack of 458 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:47,199 sensitivity to the historical process, you know saying you 459 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,000 know to history, that's the real truth. 460 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:55,199 And so let me explain after the destruction of the second beta 461 00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:08,700 make Dash Jews moved. moved in various directions and in the 462 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:15,000 Early Middle Ages talking very early Middle Ages with the, you 463 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:23,300 know, with the with the birth of Islam throughout North Africa, 464 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:30,500 Central Asia, as far as you know, Iraq and Iran, and then 465 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,900 it's movement into Europe, southern Spain. 466 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,800 The Jewish people. Found a society. 467 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,000 That. Embraced, many of rabbinic 468 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,900 Judaism values. Primarily the value of Education 469 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,900 of knowledge of the pursuit of knowledge. 470 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:05,600 Of of how to read a text. I have a chapter in my book, 471 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:14,100 called literally reading, and reading, literally, And this was 472 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,200 an enlightened period in history. 473 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,700 Many of our Sciences mathematics were born. 474 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,000 You know, all of your bra is the etymology of the word algebra is 475 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,300 Arabic. Algorithm is Arabic the 476 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:34,100 etymology of the word algorithm while this was taking place. 477 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Europe, was in the Dark Ages. It was run by the Catholic 478 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,500 church that denied people access to knowledge to thinking to 479 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:57,800 philosophy. and, If? Any culture changed Judaism. 480 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,500 And I say this with respect, Michael Goodman is my friend as 481 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,000 are many in that Haver in that group. 482 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,000 It's the ballet to Sephora. That's the Europeans who 483 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,800 introduced so many foreign ideas. 484 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:25,200 Into Judaism. Now again we're all one people. 485 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:33,300 I want to be clear and time and evolution of our religion and of 486 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:39,200 our culture has created a large, net around many different 487 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,000 Groups, and, and, and, and, and, and, and practitioners. 488 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:56,000 But her rambam opens, his mishneh Torah with a chain of 489 00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:04,100 the mascara of the tradition and he does that For a very clear 490 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,900 purpose. He's not the first to do that. 491 00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,400 Rough Saadia gaon did it, but hopefully gone did it all? 492 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,000 So this was very important to them to put out there. 493 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,100 You're going to read my Torah. I just want you to know. 494 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,000 I'm not inventing it. I'm the next Link in the chain 495 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:31,300 from You know, that preceded me the catalonian Spanish Community 496 00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:36,800 culture tradition that came in after the rambam is time, which 497 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,500 was influenced by the franco-german, kind of schools. 498 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,000 And like you said, Christianity, I didn't say that. 499 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,900 You said that, but oftentimes, yeah. 500 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:49,000 But that's that's obviously we were more influenced by Islamic 501 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600 culture and they were more influenced by Christian culture, 502 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:57,300 And when I don't think they were influence, I think we found a a 503 00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:04,100 cultural society that resonated with with our values or is 504 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,100 rabbinic values. The the one, the example I use 505 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,600 to make this point very clearly is the tragedy of Revenue 506 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,000 avraham Ibanez, ra He went North, he went to Christian 507 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Spain, and he couldn't find the place. 508 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:28,700 He had to go from town to town, from City to City, because he 509 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:33,500 couldn't find a community that embraced his Andalusian 510 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:39,700 traditions. Well, that's his time. 511 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,900 I mean, the, the Ashkenazi jewry was extremely minimal, right? 512 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,300 It was like less than ten percent, I think of all World 513 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,100 jewelry at the time. I don't know those that this. 514 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:52,800 Yeah, there's he went from wherever he went. 515 00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,900 So my question is this because the rambam has pointed out the 516 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,600 connection between, you know, the go Nick tradition and 517 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,900 delusion, which is, I think it was a remote Chicano, right? 518 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:14,300 And and and it kind of, you know, it kind of makes it 519 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,700 interesting from the catalonian kind of perspective. 520 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,100 What is their chain of Missoura, in terms of connecting to the 521 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,700 groaning, besides starting their works. 522 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,500 Like do they have a direct line and same. 523 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,600 Chin. I don't think I do. 524 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,300 Or is that too controversial to ask? 525 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,000 Yeah, it's not just controversial to ask. 526 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:39,000 I don't want to presume myself to be a historian to that 527 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,300 degree. I just, I don't see it. 528 00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,700 I don't see a linkage, I don't see a connection, that's the 529 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,200 real truth. So, that it's the way. 530 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,000 And I point this out, in my book, the difference, in terms 531 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,600 of the way European jury, read text and the way the eundel 532 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,900 overseeing tradition or are Relationship to the text. 533 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,700 So radically different do, radically different II. 534 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,600 Yeah. Can we can we Circle back to 535 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,800 something that I want to get a little vacation on? 536 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:25,100 So the goal of mysticism, in end illusion and delusion thinking 537 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:28,400 is, you know, mystica, as you said, right? 538 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,400 I want to Define terms. What does that mean? 539 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:38,200 What does that mean? That there's a union with God? 540 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,700 What, what is the nature of that? 541 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:44,500 In, we Define the terms because I think that, when someone hears 542 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:49,000 that they can interpret that in many ways, a hundred ways, I 543 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,300 bought the big hoot, that's correct. 544 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:56,500 And so the truth of the matter is There's more than one way of 545 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:59,100 interpreting that there is no doubt about it. 546 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,400 And and, and, and, you know, I could leave it with that. 547 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800 But I'll just say the following or at least within the 548 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,000 Andalusian. I kinda, I mean. 549 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,200 Yeah. According to her, rambam, 550 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,400 straight out Andalusia in Tradition. 551 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:14,100 Yes, prophecy is real. Prophecy exists. 552 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,800 And no apologetics here, I'm saying to you, call it prophecy 553 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:30,300 exist. There's a beautiful passuk in 554 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,500 the Democrat and a sharpness, all most Arab a new is. 555 00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:48,300 Saurabh a new is, the mission is complete and the grammatical 556 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:53,700 structure of the word. Is. 557 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,900 That mascara, been you could hear. 558 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:03,200 By God is speaking to himself by dubbed by the bear. 559 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,500 A love Hashem in the. And the grammatical structure of 560 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,700 the word is that Andrea? She brings it out that God is 561 00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:15,500 speaking to God self and most terrible news Hearing in on the 562 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,100 conversation. Uh-huh, I'm sure he's. 563 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,400 Okay, I'm saying to you. And so another element of 564 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:29,400 mystical Union is just being clued in to the knowledge and 565 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,600 wisdom. That is, I'm going to use again, 566 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,800 you know, new age, terms in the universe. 567 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:47,400 Mystical Union means when I become wiser, I live on a plane 568 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:55,600 of higher consciousness. Who's spiritually? 569 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,700 You know, the that. Is deepened. 570 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,100 And one it's transformative completely transformative. 571 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,900 And so yes, that term means many, many things. 572 00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:19,300 And Depending on where one is in the trajectory of spiritual 573 00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:27,100 growth. And so and so, you know, my 574 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:30,400 friend Rabbi Professor calendar says no, you know, there's no 575 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,500 such thing, you can't, you can't. 576 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,200 Have a union with the infinite and I'll argue that. 577 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,500 It means a lot of things. And I believe that you can, I 578 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:47,500 believe that you can and I've encountered people that have and 579 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,100 our tradition is based on the fact that there were such a 580 00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,600 thing as profits in the VM who did. 581 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:08,100 I'm wondering if perhaps this, this difference between 582 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:12,800 Professor Kellner, and you is more semantic than actual could 583 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,800 be, might be because because it could be, that Professor 584 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,000 calendar is just stating an actual fact. 585 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,600 We cannot you cannot connect with God. 586 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,800 God is, you know, transcended that I do. 587 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,700 I don't think you would even deny that. 588 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,700 But I think you would say that even Though there is you know, 589 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,100 God's Transcendence and you know, we can't know, literally, 590 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:38,800 let's call it, you know, connect with God and like, you know, the 591 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,500 way like I connect to, you know, you another human being because 592 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,900 you can course not Jim and that I do. 593 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,700 But you're saying that there is such a thing as a mystical 594 00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:52,300 experience, however, part of this to Define that, but there 595 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,100 is a way for men to elevate from within himself and which are 596 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,500 clear Consciousness and absolutely, I actually don't 597 00:45:58,500 --> 00:45:59,600 think he would probably argue with that. 598 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,800 But yeah, I And I understand what you're saying. 599 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,800 Absolutely. I I put my book out there and I 600 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,400 continue teaching this and those who join me. 601 00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:19,800 You know, for, you know, serious Sephardic Jewish meditation are 602 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:29,100 beneficiaries of what I believe is a profound Jewish mystical 603 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:34,900 experience teachings. So we have about 10, 12 minutes 604 00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:37,100 left. I want, I want one minute to 605 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,700 call you guys out on something. Tell me when I can do that. 606 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,000 We're going absolutely. Now now, okay, so you guys call 607 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,300 your program. Judaism demystify II, believe, 608 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:52,800 Judaism is completely justifies. The means we should. 609 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,000 We should we should clarify that demystified actually just means 610 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,300 making complex, matters simpler. That's really what it means. 611 00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:03,900 Or in reality really is that what it's not that Judaism is 612 00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,900 the, you're not trying to demystify Judaism but we, but I 613 00:47:07,908 --> 00:47:10,800 knew when I, when I came up with this name, that it would be a 614 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200 Something that will, you know, rattle people little bit. 615 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,000 Okay. Yeah, okay. 616 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,300 Good. Because you know, but I think 617 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,500 that I think a little bit more to the point is, is that really, 618 00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:24,700 it's really Kabbalah that that is something that, you know, we 619 00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:28,300 we try to demystify, you understand? 620 00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,600 So we I don't think that Judaism demystified. 621 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,500 I don't think that was meant to mean that there is no such thing 622 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:38,400 as mysticism, but rather popular mysticism, right? 623 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,600 Popular mysticism demystified. I think that I've got a pretty, 624 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,400 but it was the average, you know, Orthodox Jew is not 625 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600 familiar with the mice, a merkava, they understand 626 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,200 mysticism as Kabbalah. Yeah. 627 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:55,900 So that's so that actually is a great segue to the next part. 628 00:47:55,900 --> 00:48:01,500 The last part, which is about your, Feast, the thesis in your 629 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,900 book about mysticism, being vastly different than Pebble. 630 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:09,200 Ah, so if you can give us, please a background about that, 631 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:17,900 okay? Jewish mysticism. 632 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:26,500 Has to be solely focused on God. Kabbalah, on the other hand is 633 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:31,400 focused on. The human being on the person. 634 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,500 On the individual. On the experience I had on on, 635 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,000 you know, how devotional I am and I show how do I show my 636 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:50,300 devotion by you know, if cause I eat of matzah is what the sahami 637 00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,900 mask of Beyond, you know, a ten cuz I hate even saying because 638 00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:57,400 it means that I'm going to have some impact on God or on the 639 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,700 universe and be able to twist God's arm and you know be in his 640 00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:03,900 right. You know, being his good list. 641 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:10,300 People list and how rambam is so clear? 642 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:14,700 I mean to the point where He's so brave. 643 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:21,000 He says clearly if I can pull up my guide, I would read it to you 644 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,300 ten copies everywhere except on this desk how rambam says That. 645 00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:35,500 You're closest to God through knowledge, and he explicitly 646 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:38,700 says not through prayers and fasting. 647 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,800 Now, he doesn't mean that he's against prayer, doesn't mean 648 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,100 that he's against fasting when it's appropriate. 649 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:56,800 But her rambam is teaching us, that the mystical experience is 650 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,300 my movement towards God, not God's movement towards me. 651 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:10,000 And this is where we part ways. Not to mention, not to mention, 652 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,900 the carelessness that beginning with the Zohar. 653 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,900 And through all the kabbalistic, writers, the This with 654 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:26,300 corporeality and God having emotions, and God having Mercy 655 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:29,200 or God being angry, or God, this or God. 656 00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:34,400 It's again, I've had these conversations with cabalists 657 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,800 here and in Israel, of course, I don't believe God has a body. 658 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,800 So why are you using that language? 659 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,600 So there's this carelessness like it just it's okay doesn't 660 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:51,000 it doesn't matter, you know, this idea that you know, Chabad 661 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,700 loves her rambam. But they have big problems with 662 00:50:55,700 --> 00:51:01,000 her rambam. Problem number one is aarambam 663 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,400 believes in being educated and while Chabad. 664 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,200 There are many educated Chabad but in there, yes, she vote. 665 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,300 They don't educate their kids except through the traditional 666 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,400 Chabad. Text problem. 667 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,900 Number two, they have is the soul. 668 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,200 You know, Chabad as well as European jury bought into this. 669 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,500 And I apologize for saying this Christian notion that depending 670 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,900 on who you are is depending the soul, you have. 671 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:37,500 So if you're the Monarch, you have a great Divine Soul, if 672 00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,500 your nobility you have a lower Soul if you're a peasant, you 673 00:51:40,508 --> 00:51:45,200 have a lesser soul and if you're a you know, just a slave, you 674 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,100 have no soul. And so what is Judaism say? 675 00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:55,400 Add promote this notion that the Jewish people have an elevated 676 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,400 soul in the going, have an animal Soul. 677 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,000 How could you be? How could you walk a moral 678 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:08,800 ethical line by believing that? She doesn't make sense. 679 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:14,200 In Haram bombs economy of ideas. All human beings are equal 680 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,300 Jewish. Non Jewish religious, not 681 00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,900 religious. Your relationship with God is a 682 00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:23,300 dependent. Depends on your actions. 683 00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:30,000 Not on the soul, your created with and then, the last problem 684 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:41,000 Chabad has with real pure Jewish mysticism, is that Meets vote 685 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,300 are some sort of reward, you know, I'm saying? 686 00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:46,900 It's like some sort of checklist pending machine. 687 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200 Yeah, exactly. Exactly in this idea of the 688 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,400 mezuzot, or about this, or about that. 689 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,500 That's just the way they operate and that's why they stand on 690 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,400 street corners and say, you put on tefillin for 30 seconds. 691 00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,900 You, you know you've gotta check up in heaven. 692 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,500 The meets offensive. Honestly, it's offensive to 693 00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:10,800 think that way. I'm offended for God. 694 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,800 I'm offended for Hashem. That's the real truth. 695 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:20,200 And so this whole movement is out there that calls itself. 696 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:27,200 Kabbalistic movement has nothing to do with rabbinic Judaism. 697 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:38,000 It's so far from the traditional hamim put forth for us which is 698 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,500 recorded in Haram bombs mishneh Torah and Haram bombs. 699 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:48,400 Egret Haram bombs hockey demote and Haram bombs more anyhoo him. 700 00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,500 I think I think a lot of the issues you see today is that, 701 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,700 you know, even there's there's also this product you know this 702 00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,700 difference between let's say Jabara other Hasidic groups that 703 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,600 believe in reincarnation and rambam has very clear that 704 00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:13,100 there's finality after death and to them you know it's it leaves 705 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,600 it opens up so many problems just to introduce the idea of 706 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,900 reincarnation especially because it's not rooted in Jewish 707 00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:24,400 tradition. Yeah, it's that's a complicated 708 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,000 issue and that it was a complicated for her rambam. 709 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:34,200 And it's complicated for us and I'd rather leave that they're, 710 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,000 you know, I'm saying because we, we do believe in creating a 711 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,800 team. It's one of our, it's one of our 712 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,000 own bumps 13 principles of Faith, but exactly what that 713 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000 means is that different story altogether. 714 00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:48,300 I just, you know what? I try to do in my book and I 715 00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:54,400 hope your listeners will. You know, at least take a peek 716 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,600 into the book. It's appearing it in many 717 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,800 libraries already, and if it's not in your local library, ask 718 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,900 the library didn't order it. Well, I try to address are many 719 00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:10,200 of these hot points in the kabbalistic. 720 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,400 You know, popular kabbalistic literature. 721 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,800 What is the soul neshama? And nefesh, what is immortality 722 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,900 according to real, you know, according to a Mystical 723 00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,700 tradition. What is, you know, this this 724 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,600 idea, this practice that I called do mia. 725 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:37,400 You know, it's this, it's this conscious silence that is 726 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:43,100 required of us by Dome aharon. His children had just died and 727 00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:47,200 instead of screaming and yelling by domakr on it says, conscious 728 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,300 silence, The Preserves, you know, his His, you know, his 729 00:55:52,300 --> 00:56:02,500 very being and and and in my mind, Indian thought, its likho 730 00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:07,000 do mia tehila, the greatest Praise of God, is this conscious 731 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,300 silence, the ability to just to be inward as opposed to be 732 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,700 outward. And here's another difference, 733 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:19,600 you know, Cabela's. All about outwardness and Jewish 734 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,300 mysticism and Olson is about inwardness. 735 00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,300 So much more much to talk about this. 736 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,400 I'm very excited to be able to start reading it. 737 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,800 This Shabbat and I think that this is an extremely important 738 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,900 thing. I think that rambam is usually 739 00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:44,500 associated with, like, you said Aristotle, rationalism. 740 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:49,300 And there is Of that for sure but I think that there's not 741 00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:56,600 enough people trying to translate rambam is mysticism 742 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,800 for today's today's world. So that books like yours start 743 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,700 the conversation, more on. Well what was the Run bombs 744 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:10,900 understanding of mysticism meditation our our achieving a 745 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,200 higher Consciousness. These conversations are not had 746 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,500 very much and so what you did by writing this book and by coming 747 00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:21,300 on the Pod is extremely important and we hope to 748 00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,100 continue that conversation and if you can plug, if you can plug 749 00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,600 your book where we could find it and where people can reach you, 750 00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,900 thank you. Okay, so people can reach me by 751 00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:33,400 just Googling my name and there's many access points to 752 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,400 getting to me and I'm happy to connect with people. 753 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,900 That's just looking one of my MOS. 754 00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:42,400 I respond to all emails because I love that that that you like 755 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,500 the guy spent good amount of time doing that. 756 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:50,200 My book, this book of mine is available on Amazon that's 757 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,100 called the mysticism of under Lucy. 758 00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,300 Are you just put my name into Amazon and you could get it. 759 00:57:56,500 --> 00:58:03,600 I also have I started a Blog recently in back. 760 00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:07,500 What's it called? Stack substance that stack 761 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:11,800 right? And just a depository of place 762 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,800 where I can put my thoughts, my ideas, some articles. 763 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200 You know, I you know, someone asked me an email, I got 764 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,600 recently is you know, was how was her, rambam really a Mystic. 765 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,200 And so I wrote him this long email and I now I put it into my 766 00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:28,600 little blog here, it's just available for everybody to look 767 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:34,300 at, you know, just some thoughts on pesach that that I put out 768 00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,000 there. It's, you know, it's young and 769 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,400 I'm just gonna try to, you know, just a place where I can put 770 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:48,900 dump material. You know I'm saying, Accessible 771 00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:53,500 to whoever's interested. My really my hope is with you 772 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:57,800 guys help and with help of others like us, you know, the 773 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:04,400 Cobra movement and others, like us really to create a movement 774 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,900 that will bring back Judaism to, to its original Glory, you know, 775 00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:17,200 to a nation of people that pursue New education and said, 776 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,700 said and thinking and God, that's really what it's about. 777 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,100 And that's really what it's about. 778 00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:34,600 And try to really move away from the Mythology, and thought 779 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,100 program. So much that there's just no 780 00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:43,400 redeeming quality to them at all. 781 00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:46,500 I wish there was, I wish there was people tell me, it makes 782 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,800 people religious doesn't speak to me. 783 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,000 Honestly, that doesn't speak to me. 784 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,800 I think people should be religious but, you know, they 785 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,500 have to find the right vent Avenue. 786 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600 You don't frighten them to religion or you don't lie to 787 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,300 them into religion. You have to tell them, you have 788 01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:02,100 to show them what the beauty of religion is. 789 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,400 Amazing it. I met really this was a 790 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,100 wonderful talk and thank you hope to speak soon. 791 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:13,700 Be in touch and hopefully we'll get to join you for one of your 792 01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:18,800 classes or more of a fantastic. I'd love your feedback on the 793 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,200 book. I know Ben you started reading 794 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,200 it eventually I'd love to get you know your input and I'm 795 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,100 going to email you. How many emails will discuss 796 01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:30,500 something? Yeah and send me your email 797 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:34,400 anyway so I can put you onto my blog, you know, Work. 798 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,000 Short shorts. Wonderful gentleman. 799 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,300 Thank you. Shabbat shalom. 800 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,000 Hey guys, thanks so much for tuning in to the Judy's and 801 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000 demystified podcast. 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