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Welcome to Judaism Demystified, 
a podcast for the perplexed. 

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We are joined by Frank Mink. 
Frank Mink is probably one of 

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the most interesting people I've
ever met in my life and truly an

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inspiration. 
I don't want to give away too 

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much in the intro. 
You're going to find out 

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everything you need to know 
about his life, but it's really 

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the ultimate redemption story 
and so inspiring. 

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You're really going to enjoy it.
He is a. 

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Former Neo Nazi gang member who 
spent time in prison and 

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basically discovered his Jewish 
roots. 

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I'm not going to give it away 
right now, but many believe his 

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story influenced Edward Norton's
character in American History X 

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and I really think you guys will
appreciate this episode. 

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It's a little different than 
what we usually do, but 

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sometimes you just need a good 
story. 

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Without further ado, Frank Mink,
thank you for joining the 

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Judaism Demystified podcast. 
We are honored to have Frank 

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Mink, who is a ex Skinhead and 
his story is unbelievable. 

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So before we get into it, I just
wanna I wanted to thank you. 

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You've personally inspired me a 
lot. 

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I've watched your story on a few
channels and I'm like, I gotta 

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have this guy on. 
So if you can just tell the 

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audience just how everything 
started with you, your whole 

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beginning of your journey. 
Yeah. 

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Well, thank you. 
Thank you for having me on and 

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thank you for asking me. 
I'm honored. 

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I'm always honored to to get a 
chance to to talk and share my 

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story and share what I'm up to 
today, so. 

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Because I obviously I. 
Have a purpose and I'm doing 

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things for a purpose. 
So the start off with my story 

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is I wasn't raised Jewish at 
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In fact didn't even know I was 
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Was raised in an Irish Catholic 
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Was raised believing I was just 
Irish and Italian which was for 

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South Philly. 
That's kind of the perfect mix 

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in where I grew up. 
My mom and my my my mom rebelled

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from her Irish Catholic family 
and later went and got with an 

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Italian guy who was like a Rocky
Balboa in the 70s. 

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So you know, Rocky Balboa. 
My dad was kind of like a Rocky 

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Balboa superstar, guy of the 
neighborhood, tough fighter, all

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that good stuff, you know, sell 
drugs and my mom like the bad 

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boy. 
And that's how I came to be. 

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Those two didn't last very long.
Not at all. 

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In fact, you know, I my mom 
probably moved out from him, his

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house and where they his 
neighborhood probably when I was

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about 2:00-ish, maybe three. 
And we moved in with my 

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grandparents back in the Irish 
Catholic neighborhood. 

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And anyway, my mom, me and my 
mom wound up moving in on our 

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own and my mom struggled at 
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I remember being on food stamps 
as a child. 

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I remember having food stamps, 
like literally being on welfare 

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and having food stamps and being
knowing that that was like, for 

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the poor people. 
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I mean, that's my thought. 
You know, it's for the poor 

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people. 
And I was embarrassed, you know,

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I wasn't ashamed of my mom, but 
I was just kind of embarrassed 

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of our situation sometimes. 
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the best she could. 
Like even back then I knew she 

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was doing the best she could. 
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And so my mom wound up getting 
remarried to a man who was not a

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good man to me. 
You know, he, he did not like 

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that I was Italian. 
He didn't like anything about 

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me. 
I mean, moved in my mom's house.

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He's now taking over the house. 
And here's this little scrappy 

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young guy. 
I was maybe 9 going on 10 when 

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he moved in my home and just not
not a nice man to me. 

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And I basically lived in a house
with a bully who liked to bully 

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me around and and punish me and 
beat me and just not wasn't 

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good. 
That's all I could say. 

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I don't want to, you know, can't
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story. 
But I was a child and I hated 

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going home every day. 
I hated going home so badly that

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I wish sometimes I would get hit
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come home from school and I only
had two blocks from my school to

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my house. 
You know, it's in South Philly 

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little, you know, little 
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But my school was only two 
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And I wish some days it was 2 
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So I'd just hate nothing to walk
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from a school right home. 
And I would try to get hit by 

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cars because I was like, if I 
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was a kid, I didn't want to die.
I just wanted to get hit by a 

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car so I can go to a hospital 
for the day instead of going 

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home like I thought that would 
be nicer. 

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And. 
I'd be kinder. 

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And everyone in South Philly 
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Like that's just the thing to 
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You live in a little small and 
narrow streets. 

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Everyone's zooming around, 
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So you're always getting run 
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cousin can't sue anybody. 
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You just get hit by a car and 
you shut your mouth and and I'm 

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the one kid that wants to get 
hit by a car and it just doesn't

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happen. 
And anyway, eventually I got in 

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trouble at school. 
I was 13 and I walked home from 

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school and my step dad was 
waiting for me and beat the 

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living crap out of me. 
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crap out of me, he told me to 
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I was going to move with my dad 
and my dad lived in a rough 

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neighborhood even way more 
rougher neighborhood than my 

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mom's. 
But it was rough. 

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And I just remember I was happy.
Like I was happy. 

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I was at least not going to go 
home to him anymore. 

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I knew I was going to go to a 
rougher neighborhood and I knew 

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things were not going to be 
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But I was like, so long as I 
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anymore, I'm cool and so. 
But I was sad, you know what I 

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mean? 
My mom gave me up, man. 

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She gave me up for this guy. 
Like she wanted this 

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relationship with him, this work
so bad. 

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She was willing to to throw me 
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And. 
And that's what I knew. 

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So anyway, that was he also 
abusing the mom? 

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No, no, no. 
My mom's a tough cookie, man. 

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My mom was a my mom was a 
drinker and a brawler. 

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You, you, she she she she would 
hit him sometimes. 

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Not about me, just about, you 
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My mom, he didn't abuse my mom. 
My mom, my mom was a tough 

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little cookie. 
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her in in a way. 
And they were both into drinking

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and drugs really bad. 
But I I never seen him hit my 

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mom ever. 
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him a few times when she was lit
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So, you know, so yeah, she he he
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That's just the way it was. 
So anyway, that's that year and 

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middle of the school year I had 
to go move to my dad's 

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neighborhood. 
My dad lives up in southwest 

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West Philly. 
Some of you guys, if you ever 

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seen the show, Fresh Prince of 
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Will Smith thinks about West 
Philly, born and raised on a 

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playground where I spent most of
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That's my dad's neighborhood. 
So my white butt moved into that

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neighborhood that he moved out 
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And so I had to go to an all 
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My dad had a little bar, like a 
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lived at all the time. 
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And I just went to the school in
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black school and and as a new 
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school year, all along I was 
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punk rocker, athlete. 
I'm a, you know, born and bred 

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athlete and I've always played 
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Even I was like a little punk 
rock kid always succeeded in 

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sports, always set records, 
whatever, you know, not talking 

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ego stuff, just the truth. 
I was a really, really good 

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athlete. 
It's in my, it's in my dad's 

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family's blood. 
They're All Star athletes and it

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was in me too. 
So anyway, I get to this new 

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school man, where I'm, you know,
start fist fighting with black 

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kids all the time. 
My other school I went to before

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this, my mom's neighborhood, 
like it was a very diverse 

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school. 
And we all kind of got along for

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the most part because it's 
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It was white, it was it's Irish,
it was Italian, it was 

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Cambodian, it was Puerto Rican. 
Now I move and it's 20 white 

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kids and not 20%. 
There was just twenty of us that

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went to that school and it was 
tough. 

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And I would come home from 
school and I could have a black 

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eye or I can have a trophy in my
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And my parents, neither my 
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gonna say, huh, how'd you get 
that son? 

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It's just, it wasn't wasn't 
parenting, parenting style. 

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And anyway, I start cutting 
school. 

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Tell you a real quick funny 
story about that is I started 

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cutting school every day and it 
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So I would take the train down 
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And when I would go down to 
Center City, I would always like

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sneak in the museums and you 
know, there's a lot of. 

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Historical stuff, you know I. 
Mean we have the most famous 

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crack in all the world, crack in
the Liberty Bell. 

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So everyone comes from all over 
the world to see our crack. 

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But anyway, I loved the city of 
Philly and I loved the 

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historical part of it and I used
to go sneak into Ben Franklin's 

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house every day like I used to 
go down there almost every day 

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and I would he was one of the 
main exhibits, I would always 

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sneak him and cause all the 
school kids that were there for 

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school class trips, they would 
be coming out of there and 

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they'd come out the back door. 
And you know a big long line of 

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them, 'cause they were went 
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And I wait until the door open. 
I pop in, I'd run in there and 

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go hang out all day and do all 
the exhibits and learn 

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everything about Ben Franklin. 
Fast forward before I'm going to

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tell you, is when I get into 
this group. 

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But the next year I went back to
school for a very brief moment. 

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And The funny thing was I went 
back to school for a very brief 

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moment. 
Then following year and when I 

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was there, the school goes, hey,
we're going to Ben Franklin's 

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house for a class trip. 
And I'm telling everyone in my 

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class, I'm like, man, I sneak in
that place. 

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I'll tell you it's all about it.
I'll show you all the exhibits. 

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I'll show you how this works. 
That works. 

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I'm, you know, bragging. 
I'm kidding. 

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You know, just did this for a 
year, you know, a couple of 

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months I snuck in this guy's 
house. 

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So anyhow, they we. 
What happened was we go down for

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the class trip, and as we go 
into the class trip, pull up in 

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the front door. 
Now again, I'm bragging, 

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everybody. 
Hey, I sneak in here. 

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I sneak in here. 
Well, soon you pull up in the 

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front door. 
I've never been through the 

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front door. 
There's a big sign. 

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We get off the school bus. 
There's a big sign says free 

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emissions. 
So, and I'll tell you this, I 

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mean, I just tell you that story
just to tell you what's wrong 

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with my brain. 
Because when I was stealing the 

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knowledge, I could tell you 
everything about Ben Franklin. 

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As soon as I found out it was 
free, I would. 

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They're stupid, you know what I 
mean? 

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Like just crazy, you know, so 
that's that's that was my life 

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in an eggshell right there. 
Well, let's go back now. 

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So what happens is that summer I
got to get out of the city, my 

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uncle who moved up to the 
Lancaster, PA area, not 

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Lancaster, PA, but the 
Lancaster, PA area. 

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And if any of you guys have ever
been through that area or know 

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that area, it's all Amish 
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So my aunt and uncle, they moved
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civilians and they moved up in 
that area and they brought their

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kids with them. 
And my cousins hated it when 

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they first moved up there. 
They hated living up there. 

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I mean, they went from living 
right around the corner from all

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of their cousins and literally 
we all lived right around the 

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corner from each other to now 
being up in farm lands with 

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Amish people. 
So my uncle used to come get us 

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younger cousins to come hang out
with those cousin UPS there. 

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They're trying to, you know, 
ease it out a little bit, you 

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know what I mean? 
Police bring some of the home up

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to them. 
And so my uncle used to always 

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come get me because I didn't 
have my, you know, always being 

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passing forth between my mom and
dad. 

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I really kind of lost. 
And my uncle would always say, 

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and me and my cousins that lived
up there were very, very good 

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friends. 
I mean, I loved hanging out with

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my cousins up there, so. 
And it was for me, it was a 

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great, I loved it. 
They hated it. 

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I loved it. 
I mean seeing, you know, Amish 

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people and horse and buggies and
seeing cows and pigs and 

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chickens and I don't know if you
know it like Amish people like 

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really turn butter for like, 
they don't do it because they're

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reacting, reacting it, you know,
re enacting it. 

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They really just turn butter. 
And that stuff to me was like 

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fascinating. 
So I loved it up there. 

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And anyway, I go up there for 
the summer, this summer. 

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I spent the summer before up 
there, so I that's when I became

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a skateboarder punk rock kid 
with that same cousin. 

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We got a reel in the punk rock, 
reel in the skateboarding. 

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So I go up that summer, this 
summer now, and he I walk into 

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his room and he's got like a 
swastika flag. 

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He's got like a Confederate 
flag. 

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He's got stuff about like neo 
Nazis on this wall, like 

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newspaper articles. 
Then my cousin comes home and 

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when he comes home they as they 
come home, he was Shay bald and 

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the year before, man, he was, 
you know, mohawked out and punk 

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rocked out. 
And now he's like Shay bald, 

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gets nicely cropped, pants on, 
nice jacket on and you know, 

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just looks different, looks 
cleaner, looks neater. 

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And we start talking about, you 
know, we start talking about 

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what he's into and he starts 
telling me about how he's into 

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this new thing, these Neo Nazi 
groups and how he's, you know, 

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they're for the white race. 
And I'm like, all right, 

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whatever. 
And how how old were you at the 

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time? 
13 I'm 13, going on 14 years 

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old, right this summer. 
It's like, yeah, I I went up 

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there right in the beginning of 
May and I was turning about to 

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turn 14, so and I go up there. 
Why do they shave their heads? 

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It's an old English thing. 
It's from England. 

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It was the old working class 
English thing. 

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Skinheads ain't racist. 
They didn't start out neo Nazis.

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They started out in England, you
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70s, mid 60s, you know, into the
70s. 

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And they were English working 
style, you know, working class 

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kids. 
And that was just the kind of 

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the thing to do. 
They were like all English 

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working, working clothing and 
Doc Martins were like the 

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English working boots. 
So it's all about like the 

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working class style and some of 
you know, and some of the, if 

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you look at some of the old 
historical stuff, some of the 

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old Skinhead said because 
they're always fighting, even in

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England, even though they 
weren't like, again, they 

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weren't like a racist group to 
start with. 

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They were like kind of political
in a way. 

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And they were, you know, but 
they weren't. 

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There was black skinheads and 
white skinheads back then. 

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And Jim, they were very into 
like the Jamaican music. 

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And so it was a little 
different. 

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But a lot of them like to shave 
their head because you couldn't 

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pull their pull their hair in a 
fight because a lot of it's 

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about fighting. 
So yeah, so you can't. 

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And it takes one less weapon 
away from the people you're 

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fighting with. 
So that was, you know, one of 

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the rumors and I I kind of agree
with that. 

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So. 
So all these other Neo Nazis 

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used to come over my cousin's 
house at night. 

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And when they would come over, 
you know, they, they were older 

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guys. 
They were, you know, 1617 year 

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olds. 
They had cars. 

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They sometimes would bring one 
or two girls over with them. 

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They always brought beer and to 
me, man, they were just totally 

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cool. 
They just were. 

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And they'd swastika tattoos and 
whatever, you know, I don't 

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know, I think it's cool. 
But when these guys start 

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sitting around, they start 
talking about multiracial 

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society don't work. 
Now they're talking amongst 

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themselves. 
You know, they're 16 and 17 year

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olds and they start talking 
about like black people. 

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I can tell like these people 
ain't been around black people 

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before, you know what I mean? 
Like, they live in, they live in

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the the farms, they live around 
Amish people, not black people. 

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So when they start talking about
like multiracial society don't 

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work, I don't know what that 
means. 

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But once they start talking 
about blacks and whites not 

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getting along, I start kind of 
like, even my cousin would say, 

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yo, you just understand. 
Like, my cousin over here, like,

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really lives in one of those 
neighborhoods you all talk 

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about. 
So I would, they would always 

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ask me, like, what's it like? 
What's it like being around 

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there? 
What's it like being around 

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black people? 
What's it like? 

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Is it really this rough? 
Is it really? 

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And for me, that was someone 
asking me, how's my day? 

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You know what I mean? 
Like, someone was asking me, 

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how's my life? 
Because my parents didn't ask 

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me. 
My parents never asked me. 

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How'd you get that black guy? 
How'd you get the. 

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They just didn't. 
I didn't. 

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They didn't have time for me. 
And that's just the truth. 

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And now here's these guys would 
sit around and drink and be 

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like, so what's it really like? 
And to me that was someone 

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going, yo, how's your day? 
How's your life Frank? 

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Are you OK? 
And I got to tell these guys 

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like, no. 
Like I'm it's hard where I live 

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it's really hard. 
So the crazy thing was when I 

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would go and I was trying to go 
in and hanging out with them and

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they would go to nightclubs and 
they would go to like concerts 

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and punk rock shows and I would 
go with them and I still had my 

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little skater haircut, but they 
all were shade bald and they 

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were all together. 
And other Neo Nazis would show 

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up and they were shade bald and 
and they would all get together 

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and they were cool. 
And I what I noticed was when 

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they would stand outside at 
nightclubs, everyone was afraid 

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of them. 
You know what I mean? 

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Everyone was scared of them. 
Are they the teenagers? 

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A lot of them are teenagers or. 
Yeah, they're all teenagers. 

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They're all teenagers. 
They're all all teen, all 1617, 

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so maybe 18 at the most year old
kids. 

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So sorry. 
So what happened was when I 

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noticed that people were scared.
Of them. 

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I love that, you know, up until 
that point in my life, I can 

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look back on it now. 
I didn't know it then but I look

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back on it now like you know I 
was a scared little boy and at 

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at 14 I was still a 14 year old 
kid. 

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But I was probably I probably 
stopped mentally growing from 

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when my step dad moved in so 
probably 8 or 9. 

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And I feared everything. 
I feared my parents, I feared my

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step parents. 
I feared my school. 

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I feared if I was gonna have 
enough food to eat. 

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Some days now, people fear me. 
All right. 

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I like this. 
So let's. 

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So they asked me to shave my 
head. 

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And later on that night and I 
remember they shaved my head. 

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And you know there was something
else that I had happened in my 

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neighborhood that I heard a lot.
I would hear people always say 

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things like my uncles and 
cousins and different people in 

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the neighborhood. 
They'd always say if you picked 

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up a penny, what are you, a Jew?
Everyone laughed. 

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Picked up a penny. 
Where if Johnny didn't bring you

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back the right change. 
If Johnny didn't bring you give 

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you the right change of the 
story, the first thing you can 

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say is, well, you know, it's go 
to Johnny always trying to Jew 

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somebody. 
And everybody laughed. 

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It was just, and look, my 
neighborhood had ethnic jokes 

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for everybody, right? 
I mean, joked about the blacks, 

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you joked about the Latinos, you
joked about the Italians. 

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And those all groups did the 
same thing about us, right? 

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I mean, it was just the nature 
of the beast of living in a, you

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know, metro area like that. 
But I remember not, I remember 

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not getting why they would say 
these racist jokes and why that 

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was so funny, right. 
I would ask my uncle, like, why 

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is that funny? 
Like when you would say Johnny 

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Juju today and he goes to tell 
me one day when I was probably 

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about 10 years old, this was 
years before this was happening.

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I said, why is that so funny 
When you say Johnny tried to Jew

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you and he goes, well, see 
Frank, the Jews, they're 

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notorious for money. 
And you know what? 

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You'll get the joke when you're 
older. 

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It's a funny joke. 
You'll get it when you're older.

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Well, I can tell you that when I
went to my first Neo Nazi rally,

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my first little get together or 
first little group where I was 

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going to go sit with these guys 
in there because I shaved my 

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head. 
I'm not part of this group. 

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I'm sitting in this as a Bible 
studies. 

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They taught how to hate through 
the Bible and it's his Bible 

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studies. 
And there's this man, the guy 

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who's in his, you know, manhood 
to me. 

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He's probably in his mid 20s. 
He's preaching to all of us and 

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he starts talking about that. 
He goes, you know the Jews 

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secretly funnel money from the 
Federal Reserve and they, you 

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know, distribute it throughout 
all the Jews in the world and in

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Israel. 
And what happened to me while he

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was saying this stuff? 
For one I'm 14 years old. 

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I don't know what the federal 
I'm 48. 

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I don't still don't know what 
the Federal Reserve does. 

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You know what I mean? 
It's always bad stuff, you know.

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But now he's like the Federal 
Reserve is controlled by the 

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Jews. 
And what we call back then ZOG, 

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and that was the name of the 
the. 

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When they talk about the deep 
state, you hear people talk 

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about deep state today. 
Well, we actually had a name for

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it wasn't just, it was called 
ZOG, Zionist Occupational 

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Government. 
And it's the secret Jewish 

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government that runs the world 
and runs America and runs out of

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everything. 
And so they would say ZOG is 

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secretly taking money out of the
Federal Reserve and da da, da, 

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da, da. 
And as he's explaining it, all I

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remember as I sat in that 
meeting was I get my uncle's 

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joke. 
I get the joke. 

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I must be older. 
I must be older now. 

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I got the joke and my uncle said
when I'm older I will get it. 

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I must be older and I want to be
older. 

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I want to be adult. 
The adults in my life left me to

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fend for myself. 
And so I want to know what they 

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know. 
So I was in man. 

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Like I I was like, wow, I'm 
gonna learn. 

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I'm learning the secrets of the 
world. 

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These guys are real. 
And that thing and that movement

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became my life from that point 
on. 

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Can you can you explain just one
thing you mentioned was that 

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they would teach hate through 
the Bible. 

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Oh yeah. 
So I'm assuming this means like 

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the verses in the New Testament 
that are like anti Jewish or 

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seemingly anti Jewish or. 
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 

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No, you're gonna. 
Oh, the Torah. 

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Oh, yes. 
Yeah, you want to you already 

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want to hear a good story. 
Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna 

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love it. 
And and then I'm. 

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I'm gonna tell you the story and
then I'm gonna show you how 

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factually this is what they 
really believed. 

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You know you're going to, it's 
going to blow your mind because 

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the stuff that you've probably 
heard before. 

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So they say that when Adam and 
Eve and Hava was going to, when 

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the serpent man comes to to Eve 
to to partake of this fruit of 

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knowledge and this this tree 
that that's not what really 

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happened. 
They say, come on now, you got 

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to read between the lines. 
Why wouldn't they be able to 

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take from one tree? 
The thing is that they never had

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sex before. 
So what happens is the serpent 

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man comes to her and he gets to 
have some action with her and he

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impregnates her with king. 
So what she does is once she 

447
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,840
does this one deed, now she has 
this, this knowledge of this, 

448
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,000
this deed. 
OK, so now she goes back and she

449
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
knows that she's pregnant. 
So she runs back to Adam. 

450
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,440
That's why she tricks him and 
says, hey, you have to do this 

451
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,040
with me. 
And it's not eating a piece of 

452
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,760
fruit. 
It's not partaking of the fruit,

453
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,760
it's partaking of her And that 
now she's going to lie to him 

454
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,800
and say the Kane, this first 
baby in her is his. 

455
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,680
So now we got the first Maury 
Povich episode going on. 

456
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,400
OK, right. 
But let me just get even gets 

457
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,840
even more weirder. 
So now that Satan or the demons 

458
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:46,320
and this demon snake person in 
the story, he since he 

459
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,600
impregnates her with Cain. 
Cain later on kills Abel, Cain 

460
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,440
is banished and Cain is the 
first real evil Jew on the 

461
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,480
planet. 
So you will hear this. 

462
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Now, just so you know, when next
time you ever look up or 

463
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,520
research any of these groups, 
these Christian Identity, these 

464
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,600
hardcore Christian conservative 
groups, and they and you look up

465
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,720
where they say things like the 
Jews are the seed of Satan. 

466
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,040
I don't know if you've ever 
heard it's a saying the Jews are

467
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,720
the seed of Satan. 
It goes back to that story. 

468
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,120
It's from that story. 
Or you you hear like lizard, 

469
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,960
lizard or or or what is it 
called serpent. 

470
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,560
You hear these kind of, yeah, 
they they they say these kind of

471
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,640
things. 
Yeah, yeah. 

472
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,200
Reptilian, you know. 
Shapeshitter, you know. 

473
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,280
Yeah, yeah. 
So, so that's that's, I mean, 

474
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,520
and when and when I would hear 
that stuff now I was born and 

475
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,800
raised again. 
I wasn't, you know, I didn't 

476
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,240
know I was Jewish until later, 
much, much later on. 

477
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,120
So what's funny is I was born 
and raised Irish Catholic. 

478
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,680
And I had, you know, was just 
born and raised Catholic. 

479
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,800
So I went to catechism. 
I went and I learned, you know, 

480
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,880
that Bible. 
And I never heard Father Wassell

481
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,640
or Sister Mary Agnes, the nuns. 
They never taught me that story 

482
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,400
that these guys were teaching 
me, you know, 'cause. 

483
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,600
And so it was always again. 
It was always like unlocking 

484
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,640
something. 
Something's new, something's 

485
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,000
deeper. 
Something's this way. 

486
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,600
So one second turn on the light 
here. 

487
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,320
Sorry, guys. 
I'm gonna turn on the light. 

488
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,960
That's OK. 
Yeah, that should run better. 

489
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200
Sorry. 
It might edit that out. 

490
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,760
So I'm gonna try and leave these
lights on. 

491
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,200
So any so anyhow, you know, so 
that was just some of the 

492
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,080
stories I mean. 
And then you know all people 

493
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,520
other than the Jews who are from
the Satan, all everyone else's 

494
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,440
beasts of the fields. 
If you can't get blood in the 

495
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,200
face. 
That's this this theory. 

496
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Even though that we know and I 
know now that Jewish people 

497
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,160
blush everyone, a lot of people 
blush. 

498
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,320
Even light skinned black people 
blush. 

499
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,240
Even black people can blush. 
But there's even a a theory and 

500
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,800
a saying called Blood in the 
face. 

501
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,800
If they can't get Blood in the 
face, usually meaning European, 

502
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,520
then you're not white and you're
not. 

503
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,120
You means you don't have a 
conscience and that only God 

504
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,480
gave the people that blush A 
conscience. 

505
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Wow. 
Crazy. 

506
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Yeah. 
And now we need to pick up arms 

507
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,280
because the in the in their New 
Testament and then you know at 

508
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:33,080
one just one part, just one part
JC said or Jesus says Jesus says

509
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,440
sell your cloak and buy a sword 
and to them that means arm 

510
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,160
yourself to the gills with guns 
because of that one little part 

511
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,000
in the book like they take that 
and they run with it like that's

512
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000
why they stockpile weapons 
because one time this person in 

513
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,600
that book said sell your sell 
your cloak and bias word and to 

514
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,640
them that means ARS Mac. 10s. 
Whatever. 

515
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,400
So just just so you know what 
you're dealing with here. 

516
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,040
And that's what I'm running. 
Do you feel any like connection 

517
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,480
to like the the Christianity or 
you were like a spiritual person

518
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,400
at that point? 
You're just being told you're 

519
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,280
just being taught this stuff and
you're not really like, 

520
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480
connecting to anything, are you?
Yeah, no. 

521
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480
I mean, there was no, there was 
no peace. 

522
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
There was no connection. 
There was no, you know, there 

523
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,200
was nothing working on a 
relationship with with with 

524
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Hashem. 
There's no working of relation. 

525
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,960
No, it's. 
I wanna bleed this stuff so I 

526
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,280
can ram it down your throat and 
tell you that you're wrong in 

527
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,120
them. 
I'm right. 

528
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,040
That's it. 
That's all I learned it for. 

529
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:41,520
I learned it's why ammunition in
an argument, you know, so so 

530
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,680
yeah, I mean and a lot of the 
groups. 

531
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,000
That run in these neo Nazi 
worlds are are. 

532
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,880
Religious like that. 
So now, guys, I just, I mean, I 

533
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,320
fully get involved. 
I go back to the city of 

534
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,880
Philadelphia because I can't 
live up in the farms the whole 

535
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,240
summer. 
Obvious. 

536
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,080
I mean, for the summer I did. 
Now I had to go back down. 

537
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,920
And then I just started 
recruiting people. 

538
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,360
It was very, very easy in my in 
my dad's neighborhood and in my 

539
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,040
mom's neighborhood, because my 
dad's neighborhood had a little 

540
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,240
alcove of white people. 
And in my mom's neighborhood, 

541
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,720
obviously, was Irish. 
And there was. 

542
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Italian kids up on the other end
and you know, it was very easy 

543
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,040
because it was what you do, man.
It's now I don't know that I'm 

544
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,560
pulling the greatest bait and 
switch of all time on people. 

545
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,040
I don't. 
Know that I think I'm really 

546
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,400
doing what I'm supposed to be 
doing, and that is defending the

547
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960
white race 'cause look at what 
the blacks are doing. 

548
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:33,480
But the truth is, the greatest 
bait and switch ever pulled is 

549
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,160
this. 
Someone says, man, I wouldn't be

550
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,520
proud of MyHeritage. 
How come whenever I say I'm 

551
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,440
going to be proud to be white, 
then everyone screams I'm a 

552
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760
racist, but black people can say
and this is real arguments guys,

553
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,680
I'm I'm using word for word 
arguments that people said so 

554
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,040
they would say, but if I say I'm
proud to be white, then I'm a 

555
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,640
racist. 
But if they say they're proud to

556
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,920
be black, oh, that's OK And I 
say yeah, yeah, that's right. 

557
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,000
And they say yeah, I have they 
had BET. 

558
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,800
But we don't have, you know, 
white entertainment television, 

559
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,000
not knowing at the time that all
television to white Internet, 

560
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,200
you know, there wasn't many 
black people and friends, you 

561
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,680
know, I mean, you know, so let's
be real. 

562
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,360
Well, when I would hear guys 
like that say that, I would 

563
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:25,920
always say, OK, well, so I want 
to believe that stuff too, man. 

564
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Like I I believe in our 
heritage. 

565
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,760
So if you want to say you're 
proud to be white, man, come 

566
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,400
join my group because that's 
what we're all about. 

567
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Well, when we would go and you 
would come to our meetings, we 

568
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,720
never talked about being proud 
of our heritage. 

569
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920
We always talked about their 
heritage and how come they're 

570
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480
messing everything up and 
they're always treading and 

571
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,800
they're bad. 
Like you never talked about our 

572
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,320
heritage in a good way. 
We only talked about other 

573
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,480
people. 
So the greatest baits and 

574
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,960
switches, these people want to 
have pride in this race, but 

575
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,720
when they come join our group, 
it's all about hate. 

576
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840
It's all about look at what 
they're doing. 

577
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,440
They're destroying everything. 
So it's this. 

578
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Huge bait and switch, man. 
And and I participated in that 

579
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
for years. 
And again, guys, just so you 

580
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,840
know, 'cause you probably think 
like I I didn't think I was 

581
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,760
evil. 
I didn't think I was bad. 

582
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,920
I thought I was really trying to
defend the white race of America

583
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,560
and that you know that other no 
one else in the world understood

584
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,040
what we understood. 
You know, like you're really, I 

585
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,000
mean, you know it's a 
brainwashing in a way. 

586
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,120
It's A and and it's, you know, 
it's very, very prevalent today.

587
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,040
It's huge today in this country.
You know, it's just changed. 

588
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Forms a little bit. 
But it's still there. 

589
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,280
It's the same thing. 
So anyway guys, as I was in the 

590
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,800
movement, I just, you know, was 
very violent, very violent, 

591
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Kidman. 
And I mean 15/16/17, I'm I'm, 

592
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,800
I'm making a name for myself in 
this movement. 

593
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,800
I'm recruiting. 
I'm making big crews. 

594
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Everywhere. 
I'm I'm I'm harming people I'm 

595
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,680
like torturing antifa's you guys
have probably all heard of the 

596
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,480
group Antifa and you know the 
anti fascist movement well that 

597
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,520
was our biggest enemy that's our
that's our enemy that's our 

598
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,480
sworn enemy and so we'd fight 
with them and plot and scheme 

599
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960
against them and they plot and 
scheme against us and. 

600
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320
I used to. 
Kidnap them and hold them for 

601
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,160
ransom and it was a ongoing war 
and so and I know with other 

602
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,360
groups and and obviously spray 
painting a synagogue was nothing

603
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,640
that was a a Friday night. 
You know those weren't sought 

604
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,840
out things. 
We just did them. 

605
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,480
It was horrible and and that's 
just what we did guys. 

606
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,720
I mean it's just the truth. 
I got to be honest. 

607
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
So you people can get the truth 
about what these groups are 

608
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,920
like. 
You were meeting at this point, 

609
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,320
like the higher ups because you 
were moving up the ranks, kind 

610
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,640
of, yeah. 
We reported people in the 

611
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,720
movement. 
Yeah, no, I was. 

612
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,160
I was considered. 
And I don't mean to sound 

613
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,360
egotistical because it's not 
about my ego today, but yeah, I 

614
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600
mean, I was started running TV 
shows now. 

615
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
It's so funny. 
Hopefully you take this the 

616
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,440
right way. 
But what was funny is I even in 

617
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,920
the movement, I was the guy who 
worked in television. 

618
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,640
Again, I don't know I'm Jewish, 
but I'm acting pretty Jewish. 

619
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,000
Like I'm working in TV in our 
movement, right. 

620
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,960
So like, I have this whole thing
going on and like, I'm like the 

621
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,800
promoter. 
I'm like, I'm just the 

622
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
recruiter. 
I'm, I'm working in television. 

623
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,520
I'm the one getting the shows 
out there, you know, so very 

624
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,600
active in that, very active in 
that. 

625
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
And so I'm working with some of 
the high UPS all around the 

626
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
country. 
David Duke, who, you know, David

627
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Duke was one of the guys we 
worked with, Tom Metzger, you 

628
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
know, just your name that we 
were, we were doing things with 

629
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,640
those types of people. 
And you know, one of the things 

630
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
that you know and this is 
what's, you know, kind of scary 

631
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,440
is and the truth is. 
Is that a lot of? 

632
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Us in that movement were told 
like, 'cause I happened to get a

633
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320
big swastik on my neck early on.
When I was about 15, I got a big

634
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,160
swastika tattooed on my neck. 
And a lot of the older guys in 

635
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640
the the David Duke Ish. 
And not David Duke didn't say 

636
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600
this to me personally, but his 
type of people were saying to 

637
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,040
me, like, dude, don't get those 
type of tattoos. 

638
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,400
We need you guys to get in the 
military. 

639
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600
We need you guys to become cops.
Like come home, become cops. 

640
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
You know, that's where we're 
going to do the real damage to 

641
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,160
these other communities. 
You know, the black community, 

642
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Latino community, this is where 
we'll do the most damage. 

643
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,320
So don't be getting these type 
of tattoos. 

644
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840
Keep them covered up. 
Keep your, you know, keep your 

645
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,000
beliefs low. 
And of course I was so far on 

646
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,880
the other end where. 
I was like. 

647
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,680
No, we're foot soldiers in a 
race war. 

648
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,360
No way. 
So anyhow guys, I wound up like 

649
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,280
kidnapping a guy in in out in 
Springfield, IL, an Antifa guy 

650
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,000
and let him go and he eventually
told the cops about the 

651
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,640
torturing and the the beating 
and the the kidnapping. 

652
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,320
And so I went to prison and I 
was in prison and and I was 17 

653
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040
years old. 
They charged me as an adult and 

654
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,320
I wound up going to big boy 
prison. 

655
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,640
Well, I was, I was in the same 
prison with John Wayne Gacy. 

656
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,120
I don't know if you guys ever 
studied serial killers or 

657
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,320
anything. 
I mean, I was in the same prison

658
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,480
with that guy. 
That's how phrasing my life was 

659
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,960
at 717 years old. 
They charged me as an adult and 

660
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,080
I deserved it. 
I'm not one of these people 

661
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,080
that's about abolishing prisons 
or anything. 

662
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760
I I deserve to be there and 
there's other men that deserve 

663
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,760
to be there. 
I don't think our prison system 

664
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,360
is run right and I think there's
too many people in there that 

665
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,280
don't need to be there. 
But anyway, that's a whole 

666
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,520
another topic we can get into. 
But the truth is, I went in 

667
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,080
there and I deserved to be in 
there while I was in there 

668
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,800
because I was one of the 
youngest kids in a prison. 

669
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,320
Before I got sent up to prison, 
I had to do time in the county 

670
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,000
jail waiting for my trial. 
You know, that's how it works. 

671
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,360
And while I was in there, I made
some friends with some black 

672
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640
kids just because I had to wait 
like 5 months to get my trial, 

673
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,080
you know, up. 
And I wound up taking a plea 

674
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,480
bargain. 
But about five months up in the 

675
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
county jail, there's a couple of
black kids I was kind of cool 

676
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:06,600
with, played cards with and 
watch TV with, played basketball

677
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Wicks. 
We had a little bit. 

678
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,280
They see they they would see 
your swastika that wouldn't like

679
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,600
kind of cause an issue over 
there or not really. 

680
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,199
Yeah, you're in prison. 
A lot of them are part of the 

681
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,400
Nation of Islam. 
A lot of them are part of black 

682
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000
gangs that, you know, done bad 
things to white people. 

683
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,800
You know what I mean? 
So it's we're just kids and 

684
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,239
they're trying to do time. 
You know what I mean? 

685
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,600
They, they. 
And. 

686
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600
And if they've done any other 
prison time before this, you go 

687
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,040
upstate prison, man. 
There's tons of Aryan gangs of 

688
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,040
white racist gangs to them. 
I saw. 

689
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,159
I was just one of those. 
I was just one of those gang 

690
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,040
members. 
You know what I mean to them and

691
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,679
I you know, so. 
And when you're in the county 

692
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,600
jail, man, you got to keep it 
cool because you're you're 

693
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,239
coming up on trial. 
You know what I mean? 

694
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,159
So you keep. 
You know, you might get a lot of

695
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,760
the times, man. 
You know, you always hear a lot 

696
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,360
of people say, well, where'd you
find God at? 

697
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Well, I found him in the county 
jail. 

698
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,880
It's like, yeah, when you have a
public defender, you need God. 

699
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840
So you know, everyone's being 
real cool. 

700
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,560
In the county jail with each 
other. 

701
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,640
And so we, you know, they were 
they were young kids. 

702
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640
I was young kids. 
We we played cards together. 

703
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,200
They didn't care that swastik on
my neck. 

704
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,640
I mean there's, you know at 
least I was open about my 

705
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,040
racism. 
You know, it's the other people 

706
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,320
that aren't open about the 
racism they're worried about. 

707
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:25,520
So, so now, so yeah, now I'm up 
in the state prison and I get 

708
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,080
sent up state. 
And some of those kids from the 

709
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,960
county jail, black kids, they 
wound up getting sent up state 

710
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,240
too. 
And I wound up running back into

711
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,640
them. 
But while I was up in the state 

712
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,440
prison, I'm running with my 
Aryan gangs. 

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,320
I'm doing all the things I'm 
supposed to be doing. 

714
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,360
You know, I do all my gang stuff
and but when I play basketball 

715
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,320
and football with some of the 
Aryan gangs, you know, these are

716
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,680
bikers from southern central 
Illinois. 

717
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Like they don't know how to 
dribble a basketball. 

718
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,480
They don't. 
I'm not knocking them. 

719
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,200
They can fix your transmission 
at two years old. 

720
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,280
They're bikers, You know, 
they're Harley riders, and they 

721
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,040
can fix your bike and your 
motorcycle and your car at a 

722
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,360
young age. 
They don't practice dribbling a 

723
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,040
basketball. 
They don't practice, you know, 

724
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,640
prey doing a football the right 
way. 

725
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,840
So I did. 
And so when I started playing 

726
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,160
with those guys, they, they were
horrible at sports. 

727
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Just, they just weren't. 
And basketball was a joke. 

728
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,880
I mean, they would just pick up 
the ball and run. 

729
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,160
They didn't dribble. 
And I just got tired of it, you 

730
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,280
know? 
And so I've seen some of the 

731
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,440
black kids I came up in the 
county jail with, who I played 

732
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,040
basketball with in the county 
jail. 

733
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
So they knew I was good. 
They knew I could dish the rock 

734
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,840
off to anybody. 
I was a great passer. 

735
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,040
I'm a little one of these 
little, great little white, you 

736
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,760
know, point guards who can, you 
know, pass the ball between your

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880
legs to another person. 
I mean, I was just one of those 

738
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,800
guys. 
And so one day the black kids 

739
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,360
asked me to play. 
Actually one of the first sports

740
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,920
I had me play was football 
because I was, and I was always 

741
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,760
very, very, very well trained 
and good football player as a 

742
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080
kid growing up. 
So get a couple first in them, 

743
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,440
kicks off, kick off returns, 
man. 

744
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,400
And you're the only white kid on
this, on the team. 

745
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,720
And a lot on both teams and 
other teams, all black kids are 

746
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,040
going to rip your head off. 
They're black guys. 

747
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,640
They're going to rip your head 
off when they catch you. 

748
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,080
And I'm doing a kick off return.
You ain't catching me. 

749
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Like I'm that fast. 
You know what I mean? 

750
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,000
I'm gone. 
I'm going to hit that hole. 

751
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,040
I'm like 1. 
If you ever watch the NFL, I'm 

752
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,280
like one of them little white 
football kick off return guys, 

753
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,400
man, I just get that ball and 
I'm just gone. 

754
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,720
And so a lot of the black kids 
seen, it was good. 

755
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,400
And then they made me a wide 
receiver. 

756
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,480
And then my nickname changed in 
the prison. 

757
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,840
They used to call me Aryan Boy, 
Skinhead boy, Philly Boy, 

758
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,440
because I had a really hard 
Philly accent. 

759
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,440
I was in the Chicago prison 
system. 

760
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,400
And then this all started 
calling me Steve for this guy 

761
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,040
named Steve Largent. 
I don't know if you ever 

762
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,440
remember, he was a little white 
wide receiver for the Seattle 

763
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,240
Seahawks. 
And they all call me Steve all 

764
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,440
the time. 
And that was just like my name. 

765
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,160
It just stuck. 
Like, everyone call me Steve. 

766
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,240
And I was like, whatever, I'm 
not going to correct them. 

767
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,800
So I really didn't give a crap 
what you called me, you know, as

768
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,840
long as we're in starting 
trouble. 

769
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,480
So guys, I'm in prison. 
I'm getting along with, again, 

770
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480
people like, well, didn't your 
Aryans care? 

771
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,480
No. 
I was one of the most educated 

772
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560
racist they'd ever met. 
And I'm not joking. 

773
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000
And I'll give you a quick story.
In prison are men that dress 

774
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040
like women. 
That's just the way they live 

775
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,200
their life. 
So be it. 

776
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
That's the way life is for them.
I'm not judging. 

777
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,520
But in there, then we call them 
the Queens. 

778
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,760
Well, one day, this one queen 
was trying to talk to me. 

779
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,320
For whatever reason, this black 
queen was trying to talk to me 

780
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,840
about something, and I blew her 
off. 

781
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,520
It's like, whatever, it's a man 
dressed like a woman, just to 

782
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,880
give you the details of the 
story. 

783
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,000
And so she walked on. 
Well, later on that night she 

784
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
seen me again, but I was 
standing with all the Aryans who

785
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,360
were trying to introduce. 
Themselves to me. 

786
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Again, I'm the neo Nazi who had 
ATV show and kidnapped an 

787
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,440
Antifa. 
I'm, I'm royalty. 

788
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,160
I'm like considered royalty in 
there. 

789
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,120
And the guys love taking care of
me. 

790
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,800
They knew that I knew all the 
literature. 

791
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,960
I knew every, you know, I knew 
way more than any of the bikers 

792
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
who just got into prison, 'cause
they and, you know, and they got

793
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,520
in there and realized they're 
outnumbered and they better join

794
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,360
a gang. 
I'm guy that was on the outside 

795
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,320
with a swastik on my neck, So 
they all liked me. 

796
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,520
So when this one queen comes 
walking by me in front of all 

797
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,400
these other Aryans and she's 
like, being rude, she's like, 

798
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,200
hey, what's up? 
And she's like, waving to me. 

799
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,560
What's up? 
I was looking at her, you know, 

800
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,080
And I and I, she embarrassed me.
It was embarrassing. 

801
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
I mean, it just was. 
It was an embarrassing moment in

802
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,240
my life. 
And I'm standing in front of his

803
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,480
Ary and she's like, hey, what's 
going on? 

804
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,720
And so you know what I mean? 
So it was just an embarrassing 

805
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,400
moment. 
So one of the Aryans at the time

806
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,800
trying to show off to me, he 
goes, yo, Frank, how about that?

807
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,640
When that when the master race 
takes over, he's getting shot 

808
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,080
twice, he's black and he's gay 
and everyone's like, yeah, 

809
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,480
what's up, Duck? 
What's up? 

810
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,880
And I was like, I turn around. 
I was like, Nah, man, I was 

811
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,360
like, no, guys, if he's black 
and he's gay, he's not going to 

812
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,280
be with a woman. 
He's not going to reproduce his 

813
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,480
race. 
That's what we need. 

814
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,000
And they were all like, yo, 
that's great. 

815
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
That's deep, man. 
Oh my God. 

816
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Wow. 
Well, that's some deep stuff 

817
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,800
right there. 
Like I was the most intelligent 

818
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,880
racist they'd ever met. 
So when I went and played 

819
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,720
football with black kids, they 
weren't like, oh, this guy's 

820
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,960
changing and I didn't feel like 
I was changing. 

821
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,040
I just won the competition. 
I really just, I was a 17 year 

822
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,680
old kid who wanted to run, who's
a very well trained and and 

823
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,520
athletic kid. 
So I just wanted to run and and 

824
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,600
and I did like showing off to 
the black kids, you know what I 

825
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,920
mean? 
I I was good enough that I could

826
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,440
talk trash, get up, take hits, 
all that good stuff. 

827
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,000
So. 
Anyhow. 

828
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,960
I I'm getting released from 
prison guys and I'm kind of cool

829
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,760
with everybody and just them, I 
mean, and I'm not, not. 

830
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Being what? 
How long was it? 

831
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,040
I did AI did a year, upstate the
year. 

832
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,280
So I get upstate, I do a year 
and I'm getting out and my 

833
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,600
anniversary. 
Actually 30 years ago, a week 

834
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,320
ago, I I got out of jail. 30 
years and one week. 

835
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,480
Ago. 
That's when I got. 

836
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,560
Out. 
So that's how long ago this 

837
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,240
story all happened, right? 
Well, what happens is I'm 

838
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,400
getting released from prison and
again, I'm. 

839
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
I'm still in Neo Nazi. 
Is this an American instructor? 

840
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Like I change or there was a 
change in there like I didn't 

841
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,560
change yet. 
So I get out from prison and I 

842
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,640
go back to Philly and when I 
when I got from Illinois back to

843
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Philly my crew back home is 
gigantic. 

844
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,400
I started that crew. 
I mean literally the crew that 

845
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,760
is going I started and and now 
it's gigantic. 

846
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,880
And so when people are coming to
hang out with me these are like 

847
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,840
new guys and they're I'm like A 
and I'm I I I please hope that I

848
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,760
I'm I, know I'm it sounds 
egotistical but I'm just trying 

849
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,680
to be for real. 
I was like a legend. 

850
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
I just got home from prison for 
kidnapping an Antifa member, our

851
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,040
arch rival. 
Now I'm coming home and and then

852
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,440
I did big boy prison time. 
So I come home and my ego is 

853
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,640
big. 
I have a big ego. 

854
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,080
That's all I live off is my ego.
At the time, of course. 

855
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
And I don't know if you ever 
guys ever heard a saying, but 

856
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,160
you know what ego means, right? 
Ego. 

857
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Ego stands for easing God out. 
So I had no God. 

858
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,280
I just had all my ego. 
And now I'm home. 

859
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,080
I'm trying to get this thing 
going. 

860
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,200
I get back with my Neo Nazi crew
and I'm hearing these new guys 

861
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,120
come around and they're saying 
things like all black people are

862
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960
like this, all black people are 
all Latino. 

863
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,360
And I just had had enough 
experience in prison where I was

864
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
like cool enough with some 
people where I wasn't standing 

865
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,960
up at a meeting of of of Neo 
Nazis and going come on guys, 

866
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
not all that way. 
I mean, I didn't, I didn't feel,

867
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,520
I was just, but I felt it 
inside. 

868
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,080
You know what I mean? 
Where I was and when they would 

869
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,160
say these things, I just 
thought, man, that sounds so 

870
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,320
stupid. 
And then I started thinking 

871
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,440
about how I used to say exactly 
what he's saying back when I 

872
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,360
first got in and I thought I 
sounded brilliant and funny and 

873
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,680
I was like, did I sound that 
stupid? 

874
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,440
Wow. 
So I'm starting to have this 

875
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,840
little bit of change where I'm 
like, man, this is I was like, 

876
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,240
you know what? 
On the I and I may I've, I'll 

877
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,080
never forget this day. 
I'm taking the train up from 

878
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,560
South Philly up to Northeast 
Philly and I'm on this train and

879
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,400
I'm on the train. 
I actually got talking to some 

880
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480
black dude for about something 
and I'm going to go meet up with

881
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,280
all my Neo Nazi friends and me 
and this black dude talk very 

882
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,680
brief conversation But I 
remember I had a conversation 

883
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,520
with a black dude about prisons 
we he gets off and he's like, 

884
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,040
all right see you later. 
I shall only see you later. 

885
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,520
And as I'm sitting on a train 
I'm about to get off pretty soon

886
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,200
I started thinking to myself I 
was like you know what man? 

887
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,280
I'm not going to I'm not going 
to preach against black people 

888
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,320
anymore or Latino people 
anymore. 

889
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Like I I I can admit that we're 
all equal. 

890
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,800
Like, I got this. 
Like, I like, like we're kind of

891
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,840
all screwed here in this country
in the way it's set up. 

892
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,880
You know, that's I'm like, if 
you're poor, whatever, it's not,

893
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,680
it's not, it doesn't work good 
for us. 

894
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,280
So I'm like, I'm not going to 
talk about them anymore, but I'm

895
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,120
still going to. 
I have to stay part of this 

896
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880
group. 
I mean, this is my everything. 

897
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,920
This is where I get clap. 
This is where I get all my 

898
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,960
criminal activity. 
This is where everything comes 

899
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,840
from for me. 
My ego is filled here. 

900
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,760
So I'm just going to talk 
against Jews. 

901
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,280
Like, I know I have all of the 
literature. 

902
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,560
I have all of everything down. 
I mean just so you know and and 

903
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560
you you you treat here to this 
day. 

904
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
It's the craziest thing when 
you're talking with someone 

905
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,000
who's anti-Semitic and then you 
start proving them wrong with 

906
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,040
facts and figures and you're 
like blah blah blah, blah, blah,

907
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,800
What's the one out? 
Every time they won out that's a

908
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Jewish conspiracy and that's it.
Argument's over. 

909
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,040
That's it. 
They're done. 

910
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,360
And so I always had that. 
Well, what happened is I am 

911
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,040
going and I'm like, I'm just 
going to keep on preaching 

912
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,440
against the Jews then and not to
stay part of this thing. 

913
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Well, Hashem has total different
plan for me. 

914
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,280
I just don't know what the plan 
is yet. 

915
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,400
No idea. 
So I'm looking for work, like 

916
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,360
regular work. 
I'm trying to get a job. 

917
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
I just got out of prison, I got 
a big swastika tattooed on my 

918
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,960
neck and I got Skinhead written 
on my knuckles and aggravated 

919
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,000
kidnapping already on my record 
for life. 

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,840
Permanent felony. 
These ain't good people skills, 

921
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,720
you know what I mean? 
Their HR departments aren't 

922
00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:00,840
like, oh, swastika management. 
Definitely swastika. 

923
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,720
So ridiculous. 
So what happens is, man, a buddy

924
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,240
of mine comes to me and says, 
hey, I can, I can get you a job 

925
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,760
doing antique furniture in the 
Cherry Hill, NJ mall just for 

926
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,880
the weekend. 
He just needs weekend workers. 

927
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,520
Would you be interested in doing
that? 

928
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,520
And I was like, yeah, I don't 
care, you know, take 100 bucks a

929
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,600
day for three days. 
I had no other work. 

930
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Options I was like. 
Let's do it. 

931
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,800
So what he did was as soon as I 
said I'll take the job, my buddy

932
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,200
goes, you know the dude. 
I said I'll take the job. 

933
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,840
Yeah, he goes, well, I got to 
tell you, the dude owns the 

934
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,720
company. 
He's a Jew. 

935
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640
He still wants the job. 
And I was just like. 

936
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,280
Man, I need to work, man. 
I don't care. 

937
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,520
I was like, I don't have to talk
to this guy, do I? 

938
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,640
And he said, Nope, you don't got
to talk to him. 

939
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,280
And I said, did you tell him 
about me? 

940
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,360
He said, Yep, I told him all 
about you. 

941
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,800
I said, what, what did this 
Jewish guy say about me? 

942
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,280
And he said he doesn't give a 
rat's butt what you believe, 

943
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,480
just don't break his furniture. 
And I showed up and I worked for

944
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,080
this man and worked for him all 
weekend long and very decent 

945
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,800
man, very nice man, huge 
Philadelphia Flyers fan. 

946
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,880
I'm a huge Philadelphia Flyers 
fan. 

947
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,880
So whenever we had them awkward 
moments around each other, you 

948
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
know, working, I'd say, hey, how
about them draft picks? 

949
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,160
You know what I mean Almost like
how about the weather type 

950
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,520
scenario like how about them 
draft picks? 

951
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Yeah good draft picks. 
Flyers going to do good this 

952
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160
year Cup this year a cup this. 
You know we still never won the 

953
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,480
cup by the way Flyers never won 
the cup since the day I was 

954
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,000
born. 
So just so you know resentment, 

955
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,880
I like keeping everything, you 
know. 

956
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Anyhow, we get done and he has 
to pay me my money. 

957
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:46,040
And you know, we all do this not
be anti-Semitic, but we all do 

958
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,680
this no matter. 
Unless you're so spiritual, 

959
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,800
you'll float right off the 
planet. 

960
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
But we all do that thing where 
sometimes people at work might 

961
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,080
bother you. 
So you drive into work and you 

962
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,680
plan the argument out in your 
head. 

963
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,760
You know what I mean? 
Where you're like, you know 

964
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,440
what? 
So and so is going to say this 

965
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,640
and I'm going to say that to 
him. 

966
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,440
And I know he's a stupid Dallas 
Cowboys fan. 

967
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,240
You plan out a whole big 
argument with somebody, You know

968
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,080
what I mean? 
We do it. 

969
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,440
We all do it. 
Well, I did it with this man 

970
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,960
thinking he's not going to pay 
me my money. 

971
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,080
He's going to Jew me. 
He's not going to give me the 

972
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,640
$300. 
He's going to tell you. 

973
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,000
I know you made $600 in tips, so
here's 100 bucks here you or you

974
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,440
should give me money for letting
you work here. 

975
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,640
You know, like I'm running 
through all the scenarios in my 

976
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,560
head. 
Sorry and sorry guys. 

977
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,520
The edit. 
That part. 

978
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,920
There you go. 
So now this, this Jewish man is 

979
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,520
is coming up to pay me and I'm, 
I'm sitting there and I'm so 

980
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,720
angry. 
You know, I'm just like, 

981
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,040
thinking he's not going to pay 
me. 

982
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,760
And he comes up to me and he 
says I owe you money. 

983
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,000
And I'm like, yeah, you do. 
How much do I owe you? 

984
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,120
You know, And I'm like, you owe 
me. 

985
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120
You owe me $300.00. 
He's like, Oh yeah, I trade 100 

986
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,040
bucks a day. 
Here you go. 

987
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360
He pulls out a lot of money. 
Did really well with the antique

988
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,800
show, so he had good money. 
So here's 1-2, here's 300 and 

989
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,360
he's. 
Like, you know what? 

990
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,240
Here's 100. 
Bucks. 

991
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,120
You're extra 100 bucks, man, 
you're a good worker. 

992
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,720
So now I got to get $1000 from 
the 400 plus the 600 and tips 

993
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,840
and all I thought about in my 
head. 

994
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Was you son of a gun? 
You've ruined it. 

995
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,800
I had a fight waiting for you. 
I had a argument waiting for 

996
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,760
you. 
I set out landmines so you would

997
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,440
step on these arguments to go at
it, You know, because that's how

998
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,280
I think, man, I want resentments
again, I'm not right in the 

999
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,720
head. 
If you're Neo Nazi, you're not 

1000
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,000
right in the head. 
I mean, just so you guys know, 

1001
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,960
also throughout my whole time 
with my Neo Nazi, they mention 

1002
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,520
us. 
I'm a full blown alcoholic. 

1003
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,800
Like I've been drinking. 
It's come up where I came up. 

1004
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,200
It's just part of who I was, 
part of my family, make up, 

1005
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,720
whatever. 
I'm a full blown alcohol and 

1006
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:51,920
Alcoholics like resentments. 
Well what happens is he gives me

1007
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,200
a ride back to South Philly from
from Cherry Hill, NJ and when he

1008
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,000
gives me a ride back he says, 
hey, what do you do for a 

1009
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,920
living? 
I told him I don't do anything. 

1010
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840
I have a swastika on my neck. 
I don't do anything. 

1011
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,040
And he said, well why don't you 
come work for me? 

1012
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,600
And I went and I worked for this
man for about 6 months and he 

1013
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,040
was just one of the most 
kindest, nicest men to be in my 

1014
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,720
life. 
He said good things about me. 

1015
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,960
He I would say things like like 
a lot of kids that are messed up

1016
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,080
like me, I would mess up or 
break something. 

1017
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,720
My first thing is, man, I'm so 
stupid. 

1018
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,400
I'm so stupid. 
And he one day gripped me up. 

1019
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,600
I broke something and he and I 
said, man, I'm so stupid. 

1020
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,840
Keith, I'm so sorry. 
And keep being this little 

1021
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,160
stocky Jewish dude, you know? 
And you say, hey, what do you, 

1022
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,840
what do you do with my brother? 
Why do you do that just like 

1023
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,800
that total up E Upper East Coast
guy and he come over, man. 

1024
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,800
He grabbed me by the back of my 
neck and he said stop saying 

1025
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,600
you're stupid, you idiot. 
Clean it up and let's go. 

1026
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,720
And so I clean up my mess the 
one day and I'm driving in the 

1027
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,680
truck. 
We're coming from from upstate 

1028
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,040
New Jersey, you know, down the 
Turnpike, down the Jersey 

1029
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,800
Turnpike, then back in the 
Philly. 

1030
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,680
And man, he's just. 
Unloading on me. 

1031
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,280
He's like, I hate when you say 
you're stupid. 

1032
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,280
He's like I. 
I you're one of the smartest 

1033
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,200
guys I know. 
Why would you say you're stupid 

1034
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,160
and we're going back and forth 
And he's like, you remember when

1035
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,040
you figured this out? 
And you remember when I was 

1036
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,800
telling you and I had this 
problem and you were like, well,

1037
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,120
why don't you try this? 
Like, that's brilliant, Good 

1038
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,280
street, smart stuff, Frank. 
He's like, people can't pay for 

1039
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,000
the knowledge you got in your 
head. 

1040
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Stop saying you're stupid. 
And as we're driving, he says, 

1041
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,240
And here's the other thing. 
And then and this is the life 

1042
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,280
lesson that that man taught me 
that I know to this day, which 

1043
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,080
keeps me moving in the the way 
that I move, the way that I 

1044
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,720
work, he said, Frank, smart 
people can fake being dumb, but 

1045
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,920
dumb people can't fake being 
smart. 

1046
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
You're just smart. 
Get over it. 

1047
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,040
And I just looked at this man 
and I'm now I'm shade, bald Leo,

1048
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,040
Nazi boots on, swastika blazing 
at this guy. 

1049
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,160
And I'm just like, thank you for
this man in my life. 

1050
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,640
My God. 
Like, thank you. 

1051
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,720
I should, you know, thank you. 
Like, wow, this is. 

1052
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,120
You know, he was just such a 
good. 

1053
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,760
Man to me, and he always said 
good things or he joked with the

1054
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,520
right times. 
He never put me down. 

1055
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,400
And so he let me out. 
He drove me back in Philly. 

1056
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,760
He dropped me off. 
I walked back to my mom's house,

1057
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,200
man, and as I was walking back 
to my mom's. 

1058
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,680
House I was just like. 
I ain't done. 

1059
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,800
I ain't done like I'm I'm, I'm 
beating my head against. 

1060
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,280
The wall now to believe this 
stuff. 

1061
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,720
And what I got tired of and this
is so much of what you see in. 

1062
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,920
America, right now, this is so 
much what you. 

1063
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,760
See. 
And it's it's in every community

1064
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,520
where you hear people say I hate
all black people and and I can 

1065
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,880
substitute whatever words you 
want. 

1066
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,000
I hate all of those people 
except for the ones I know from 

1067
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,160
work and the ones that I'm cool 
with and the ones I went to 

1068
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
school with and the ones I 
talked with and the ones I'm 

1069
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,680
friends with on social media. 
They're good, they're OK. 

1070
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
But all the rest of them, you 
know, just to give it a a 

1071
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,800
strong, you know, I hate all 
black people except for Jamal 

1072
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880
and Craig and Michael's. 
Michael's great, guy, man. 

1073
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,280
He works just like. 
Me, he's kids my age, man. 

1074
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,800
We're good peoples, but all the 
rest of them, they're all, you 

1075
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,440
know, that way. 
I hate all that, you know 

1076
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,080
people. 
They're all this way except for 

1077
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,200
Juan. 
Juan's like who? 

1078
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,760
And John. 
John's a great guy. 

1079
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,320
Oh, and and Carlos me and Carlos
me. 

1080
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,600
You know, me and him like we 
spend time together. 

1081
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,400
His kids are the same age as my.
You're a great guy, but all the 

1082
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,760
rest of them are this way. 
It's so stupid. 

1083
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,320
And that's the way I thought. 
And here for one more time, 

1084
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,960
God's putting someone in my 
life. 

1085
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,720
To be like. 
Who? 

1086
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,840
Are you the judge? 
Are you out of your mind like 

1087
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,360
you're I'm the worst dude I'm. 
Kidnapping people. 

1088
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,360
I'm selling stolen guns all 
around the country, promoting 

1089
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,480
hate. 
And now I'm gonna judge. 

1090
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,640
I'm judging people now. 
So anyhow, you're. 

1091
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,400
Curious about a friend who set 
you up with this Jewish guy? 

1092
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Like like, is that something 
that happens? 

1093
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Oh, I have a Jewish guy who I 
know, you know, you should work 

1094
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,960
for him. 
Like it seems like kind of goes 

1095
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,040
against what they believe he Was
he as invested in the Nazi 

1096
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,560
movement as as you were, or was 
it just like a good? 

1097
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,320
Question. 
Yeah. 

1098
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
No, no, my friend was yeah, he 
was here. 

1099
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,440
Here's the other thing. 
Keith had hired other Neo Nazis 

1100
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,120
before. 
There were so many in our area 

1101
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,800
that he had hired other ones 
before like he just did. 

1102
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,480
He was like, I don't care. 
I don't care what you believe, 

1103
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,720
just don't break my friend. 
Just show up on time and be who 

1104
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,480
come to work. 
So Mike, the guy who offered me 

1105
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,520
the job for Keith? 
The one who offered me the job 

1106
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,920
was also a Neo Nazi at one time.
So he just Keith. 

1107
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,840
Keith was Keith. 
His name's Keith Brookstein. 

1108
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,080
He's just this amazing guy who's
like whatever, you know you, you

1109
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,320
do you in the world. 
I'm just gonna keep doing me so.

1110
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
And do you think he had an 
effect on those other people as 

1111
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360
well, Keith? 
I think so. 

1112
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,400
I mean, I would hope so. 
I mean, I know that. 

1113
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,520
I know for a fact that they all.
Enjoyed and liked Keith. 

1114
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760
They would make fun of Keith a 
little bit 'cause he was a kind 

1115
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,360
of a high strung. 
I, my God, God, what are you 

1116
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,040
doing? 
You know that. 

1117
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,400
So they would make fun of that 
sometimes, you know? 

1118
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,800
But I know that he always 
treated them with love and 

1119
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,760
respect and always paid them on 
time and he never jewed anybody.

1120
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,800
He always, you know, in fact, he
would, you know, if you needed 

1121
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,800
extra money, he'd give you extra
money. 

1122
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,360
You know, he was a good dude. 
So what's that? 

1123
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,400
You know, it's actually a 
commandment that you have to pay

1124
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,440
the wages on time in the Torah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that 

1125
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,840
now. 
Yeah, and it's it's it's just to

1126
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,480
see how that interplay worked is
just incredible in a way. 

1127
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Yeah, and Keith wasn't religious
at all. 

1128
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,280
Keith was not his. 
His father was very religious 

1129
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,640
and he came from a religious. 
Background and was not religious

1130
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,280
at all. 
I mean he believed in God, but. 

1131
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,640
He didn't have any, you know. 
He didn't have any. 

1132
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,840
He didn't, you know, go to club.
He didn't do anything. 

1133
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,440
He he just was him. 
He was just him. 

1134
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,520
But. 
But it's in the it's in the DNA 

1135
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,720
to do the right thing. 
I believe it's in the DNA as I 

1136
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,240
come to find out later on. 
So guys, look, I got out like I 

1137
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,800
just got out. 
People say how I just got out. 

1138
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,800
I stopped going around them. 
I stopped doing what they were 

1139
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,280
doing. 
I stopped doing all that stuff. 

1140
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,920
So I get out. 
And then the Oklahoma City 

1141
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,320
bombing happens. 
I'm so sorry to interrupt. 

1142
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,400
No, Greg. 
Was getting out a hard thing to 

1143
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,040
do? 
Like was there any threats? 

1144
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,680
Or, like you know, is it that 
simple to just get out? 

1145
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,320
No. 
Oh, no. 

1146
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,680
I lost all my friends. 
I lost every friend I had, every

1147
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,160
support group, everything I had 
gone. 

1148
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,960
And there was people that were 
like, yeah, we find Frank, we're

1149
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,520
gonna kill him. 
If we find Frank, we're. 

1150
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,200
Gonna do this to him. 
And they did. 

1151
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,120
They got they. 
Found me at a see I'm not one of

1152
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,360
these type of people that are 
like hey. 

1153
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,320
Come get jumped out of the gang.
Get out. 

1154
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,640
Got kidding me? 
You better catch me. 

1155
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,560
I ain't. 
I ain't walking to get my butt 

1156
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,720
beat from nobody. 
You know what I mean? 

1157
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,760
It wasn't going to fight back. 
But they jumped me at a funeral 

1158
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,760
one time, so yeah, I mean, there
was. 

1159
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,760
Yeah, there was. 
And I mean, there's still 

1160
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,400
threats on my life to this day, 
which is crazy, you know what I 

1161
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:06,720
mean? 
I'm. 

1162
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,640
I'm still threats on my life to 
this day. 

1163
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,560
But whatever. 
I don't, you know, destroy the 

1164
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,360
plans of those who seek to do me
harm. 

1165
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,080
They really defeat their aims 
and their purpose, You know what

1166
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:17,960
I mean? 
I don't. 

1167
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,200
I don't. 
I don't worry about it at all. 

1168
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,440
So guys, that was in 1994. 
I got out. 

1169
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,680
That's how long ago, 1994. 
And I went to the Oklahoma City 

1170
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,520
after the Oklahoma City bombing,
man. 

1171
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,680
I went to the FBI and I said, 
hey, here's my story, here's who

1172
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,400
I am. 
And I told him, told the FBI 

1173
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,120
everything. 
Just told him everything. 

1174
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,680
And I didn't put no one in 
prison. 

1175
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,320
No one went to jail for anything
I said. 

1176
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,080
I just told him everything about
me. 

1177
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,800
And then they I went to the the 
ADL, the Anti Defamation League,

1178
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,120
and they had me speak around 
some schools and with some 

1179
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,120
people. 
And I felt really good. 

1180
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,240
I felt like I was. 
Getting in my karma, I got a 

1181
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,880
karma score. 
You know I and now again I don't

1182
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,760
know anything about my DNA 
breakdown and you know it was 

1183
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,920
just DNA was just kind of coming
around with the OJ Simpson trial

1184
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,640
that we even know of, but 
learning what your DNA was or 

1185
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,200
something in foreign. 
But anyhow, I just. 

1186
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,560
I felt like I had a. 
A really bad karma score and I 

1187
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,840
was going to try and replay. 
That score up. 

1188
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,320
And so by doing good, I was. 
Getting a good karma score and I

1189
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,960
was, so I just. 
Did a lot of stuff. 

1190
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,440
I started like speaking and 
helping out, and I started doing

1191
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800
like interventions on neo Nazis,
and I started a hockey program 

1192
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,200
where I got more black kids to 
play the game of hockey. 

1193
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,920
You know, that's. 
You know it's not. 

1194
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,000
Arguably, it is the greatest. 
Game on earth, and I got to 

1195
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,200
teach it to black kids. 
You know the this amazing game. 

1196
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,920
And so I started doing that and 
went on to go do it in Iowa. 

1197
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,600
For a long time. 
We still drink. 

1198
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,320
We still. 
Yeah. 

1199
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,920
I'm, I'm, I'm Yep, great a 
question. 

1200
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:04,240
I I'm by the 19861987198780. 
I'm sorry 19971998. 

1201
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,600
I start trying to get sober. 
I start, you know, having some, 

1202
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,640
you know, going in and out of 
the program, going in and out 

1203
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,480
of. 
Rehabs doing all those. 

1204
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Type of things. 
So I'm around this sobriety 

1205
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,880
thing, but I'm not getting it. 
Like I I didn't get it yet. 

1206
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,440
Really struggled a lot with it, 
and I moved to Iowa trying to 

1207
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
stay sober there, get a job 
working in political talk radio.

1208
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,880
Then I get a job in professional
hockey again, Start working for 

1209
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,280
all these professional hockey 
teams that got maybe three or 

1210
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,320
four years sober. 
Did good, you know, build the 

1211
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,960
career. 
Then I relapsed again, Burned it

1212
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,760
all down in front of everybody. 
Start a new civil rights 

1213
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,560
organization. 
Get two or three years relapse, 

1214
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,640
Burn it all down again in front 
of everybody. 

1215
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Kept doing it, kept doing it. 
And what happened was, and 

1216
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:09,320
that's perfect. 
Read up is. 19 2014 You know, 

1217
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,080
I've had some rough years of my 
life. 

1218
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,600
I grew up being from being 
abused as a step kid, being 

1219
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,720
maximum security prisons. 
But I'll tell you 2014 started 

1220
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,200
the worst five years of my whole
life. 

1221
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,920
My oldest son dies in a car 
accident. 

1222
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,320
Just a simple single car, you 
know. 

1223
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,240
No drugs, no alcohol, just lost 
control of his car. 

1224
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,120
Then my mom dies of a fentanyl 
overdose in 2016. 

1225
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,320
The best man in my wedding 
because I've been married now. 

1226
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,040
I got married and was my wife 
was married and I had kids and 

1227
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,960
living in Iowa with my best man 
in my wedding, who was my cousin

1228
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,560
who was like my brother, He 
kills himself. 

1229
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,240
I mean, like we were tight. 
And then his older brother, who 

1230
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,560
was also like my older brother, 
he kills himself. 

1231
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,840
Then I had a colleague of one of
the civil rights organization I 

1232
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,160
work at stole a bunch of my 
intellectual properties and went

1233
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,320
and sold that. 
He did the work I did for. 

1234
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,440
I did the work for 15 years. 
This guy just started doing the 

1235
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,640
work and then went to a a 
production. 

1236
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,040
Company and ATV. 
Network and said, oh I've been 

1237
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,760
the guy doing all these 
interventions on the 

1238
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,080
interventions on neo Nazis which
and he sold it and it looked 

1239
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,320
like he really was the one. 
It was just and there was other.

1240
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,920
Then I got a divorce and then I 
broken no contact orders, you 

1241
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,800
know again. 
Now I now I'm back to drinking 

1242
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,040
and using again because I'm in 
this really dark, dark place and

1243
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,480
by this time I find that I'm 
Jewish. 

1244
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,080
I found that I was Jewish from a
habad rabbi. 

1245
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,240
Well, he was the first one to 
really bring it to my attention 

1246
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,600
in Des Moines, IA in 2014, right
around the time that all this 

1247
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,080
stuff's going on. 
Before it started, he I was 

1248
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,920
doing a documentary with him 
about religion in Iowa, and he 

1249
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,240
was like, hey, you know, you're 
Jewish. 

1250
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,320
You should go check. 
It out. 

1251
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,960
And and because of my last name,
which actually my last name it 

1252
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,080
Mink isn't my mom's maiden name.
But it actually isn't Jewish. 

1253
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,800
It's but it makes me look deeper
and I put something out on 

1254
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,040
social media. 
I took some of my family members

1255
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,920
and my uncle who years ago when 
I first was becoming a Neo Nazi,

1256
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,120
he's one of these really uncles 
that kind of just. 

1257
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,880
I never really got along with 
him kind of his uncle that 

1258
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,400
always just busted everyone's 
chops, you know he. 

1259
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,600
Just. 
Always from what I always 

1260
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,240
remember as a kid, he was always
thought he was better than 

1261
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,000
everyone else or whatever. 
Just just giving you the example

1262
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,160
of why I didn't believe when he 
came to me when I first became a

1263
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,560
Neo Nazi, he goes, you know, we 
have Jewish in US and I just 

1264
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,280
really thought he was just lying
to me just so I wouldn't be in 

1265
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,360
the like he would just say 
anything just to bust my chop. 

1266
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,520
So I was like whatever. 
So I knew he couldn't say I was 

1267
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,960
black, you know what I mean? 
So he'd just say, oh, we know 

1268
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,600
we're Jewish. 
And I was like, whatever, 

1269
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,440
whatever, whatever. 
So, so I find. 

1270
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,600
So I put out on social media 
after this rabbi comes to me and

1271
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,840
says, yeah, you know, you're 
Jewish. 

1272
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,200
My uncle, that same uncle and a 
couple other aunts all chime in 

1273
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,960
on social media. 
And they're like, yeah, Frank, 

1274
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:05,040
like, you know, Grandma's 
grandma's mom's, mom's mom was. 

1275
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,600
100% Jewish. 
And she married this Irishman 

1276
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,920
in, like, you know, 1890 or 
something something like that. 

1277
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,960
And so they all started. 
Chiming in like, yeah, we're 

1278
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,120
all, we're all part Jewish. 
OK, I'm going to look into this.

1279
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:27,320
And to tell you a crazy story 
was also in that time in about 

1280
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,840
2013, right when I was making 
the first I was making ATV show 

1281
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,880
in 2011 about doing 
interventions on Neo Nazis that 

1282
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,240
was going to be aired on AMC, 
the network. 

1283
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,800
And I was living in LA for a 
brief moment for three months 

1284
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,440
making this television show. 
And I used to. 

1285
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,160
I was in recovery and I was 
struggling in recovery, but I 

1286
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,720
was going to recovery. 
I was going to gatherings that 

1287
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,760
we're supposed to go to. 
And while I was at a gathering 

1288
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:56,480
of recovering people, this man 
came up to me and a little 

1289
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,400
Jewish guy came up to me at this
meeting spot and he came up to 

1290
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,520
me and said. 
Huh. 

1291
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,080
A fellow heave at a meeting and 
I looked at him. 

1292
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,880
Because I knew this one guy that
I was talking to and it doesn't 

1293
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,800
matter. 
This guy comes over to me and 

1294
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,160
says, huh, I felt he but a 
meeting. 

1295
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,520
And I was like, I'm not Jewish. 
I'm actually a former Neo Nazi. 

1296
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,000
I'm making a television show. 
I'm all arrogant. 

1297
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,160
I'm like, I'm making a 
television show right now on 

1298
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,760
doing interventions on neo 
Nazis. 

1299
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,760
I'm not even not. 
Jewish. 

1300
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,400
And he's like, well, you look 
like. 

1301
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,200
He to me and he just walked 
away. 

1302
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,880
And that man I'd stayed in touch
with throughout the years, just 

1303
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,080
off and on. 
Just he lived in LA and when I 

1304
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,560
moved back to Iowa after my TV 
show got cancelled. 

1305
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,240
I just randomly would call this 
man. 

1306
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,360
Once a year. 
Hey, what's up? 

1307
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,440
You know what's up man? 
What's going on? 

1308
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,440
You know, whatever. 
So guys, I'm telling you that 

1309
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,280
the worst five years of my life 
is going on. 

1310
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,400
Me and my wife are getting a 
divorce. 

1311
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,320
Just my life and everything is 
burnt. 

1312
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,640
I was a hockey coach who had won
twelve national championships. 

1313
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,240
I lost my hockey coaching career
due to my divorce due to my my 

1314
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,520
using due to all my own. 
Actions not. 

1315
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,240
So guys, I was in that time. 
I found out I was Jewish like I 

1316
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,280
said. 
So now I'm trying to figure this

1317
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,920
thing out. 
And in the midst of that, I met 

1318
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,680
this one Jewish girl in all of 
Des Moines, IA. 

1319
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,560
There's not many, but I met the 
one, and me and her started 

1320
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,280
dating during my divorce. 
And while I was dating her, I 

1321
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,120
was leaving her house and I was 
in the middle. 

1322
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,720
Of a relapse at the time, and I 
left their house to go back to 

1323
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,520
the house I was. 
Living at I couldn't go back to 

1324
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,560
my house where my wife and 
children were because we were in

1325
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,400
the middle of a divorce and my 
life was spiraling out of 

1326
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,120
control. 
So as I was driving, this lump 

1327
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,520
came in my throat, like I 
couldn't breathe, You know, I I 

1328
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:51,360
wanted to scream and I wanted to
cry and I just was so lost, so 

1329
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,240
and I just, and I'm driving and 
I and I just was like, and I I I

1330
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,120
just wanted to cry so bad and my
eyes were welling up and I 

1331
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:59,400
couldn't see the road because of
my. 

1332
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,200
I was just about to cry again. 
So I just wanted to cry this 

1333
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,160
thing out of me. 
And I pulled over to the side of

1334
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,120
the road, 'cause there was no 
way of me driving anymore. 

1335
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,080
And I just sat on the side of 
the road and I started screaming

1336
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,560
up at God. 
I was like, please kill me. 

1337
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Please. 
Put me out of my misery. 

1338
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,040
I can't take this anymore. 
Like, I can't take any of this 

1339
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,240
pain. 
I, you know, it's all I'm just 

1340
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,080
lost. 
And I'm screaming, please kill 

1341
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,080
me because I don't want to kill 
myself because my cousins all 

1342
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,520
just killed themselves. 
And I seen the devastation that 

1343
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,800
it does to people. 
I know that when you kill 

1344
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,680
someone, when you kill yourself,
you don't take that pain with 

1345
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,000
you. 
You just pass it back down to 

1346
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,040
your children, you know? 
And I'm like, I don't want to do

1347
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,640
that. 
And I was like, please, God, let

1348
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,920
a Mack truck hit me. 
These are my exact words. 

1349
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,200
Please, God, let a Mack truck 
hit me or let a telephone call 

1350
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,800
fall on me. 
Please just Take Me Out of my 

1351
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,240
misery. 
I get it. 

1352
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,640
Why my cousins killed 
themselves. 

1353
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,240
If this is the pain they felt, I
get it. 

1354
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,880
And as I'm screaming up at him, 
please kill me, my phone rings 

1355
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,440
and it's that girl that I've 
been dating. 

1356
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,680
And I pick up the phone in the 
midst of me screaming and crying

1357
01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:59,640
up to God. 
And I was like. 

1358
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:00,920
What? 
What do you want? 

1359
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,880
And she's screaming, crying on 
her phone and she's like, get 

1360
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,360
back to my house right now. 
Get back to my house. 

1361
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,880
And I was like, why? 
Why? 

1362
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,120
And she said, my, I just found 
out my sister just killed 

1363
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,520
herself. 
I need you here with me right 

1364
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,040
now. 
And I yeah. 

1365
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,800
And I just hung up the phone and
and this is my story. 

1366
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,120
I don't, this is my story. 
This is just like it's my God, 

1367
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,400
you know, when I hung up the 
phone. 

1368
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,080
This little voice that just. 
Came to me inside the car and 

1369
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,040
said get to California. 
I have worked for you. 

1370
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,040
And I just remember I can 
picture this. 

1371
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,240
I think about this moment 20 
times a day, sometimes 100 times

1372
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,240
a day. 
I think about this moment 

1373
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,240
because it happened and I just 
looked at my dashboard where the

1374
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,320
voice didn't come from. 
The the voice just came to me 

1375
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,760
and it was not in my own voice. 
That was the one thing. 

1376
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000
It was the most weirdest thing. 
It wasn't my own voice. 

1377
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,840
It was something else that said 
it to me and I just said, OK, 

1378
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,440
I'll listen. 
And with that voice I'd get to 

1379
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,600
California. 
Made called that man who called 

1380
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,600
me a hebe because me and him had
stayed in touch throughout the 

1381
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,720
years and he's this magical. 
I don't want to talk him up too 

1382
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,520
much, but he's a magical man who
knows how to wrestle people's 

1383
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,520
egos out of them with love and 
walk them closer to God. 

1384
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,520
And he's very good at doing it 
and he and he does it. 

1385
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,000
You know he's he was born and 
raised Orthodox. 

1386
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,400
I don't want to tell too much of
his story. 

1387
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,080
He was born and raised Orthodox 
but now he teaches men how to 

1388
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,840
find God through the program of 
recovery. 

1389
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,720
And he's and he he works with a 
lot of big people. 

1390
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,240
Whatever. 
And so like I said and he I had 

1391
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,520
talked to him throughout the 
years where he used to say, 

1392
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,640
Frank, I can help you. 
He's like you're insane. 

1393
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,520
But you have some gifts and I 
can help you. 

1394
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,360
But you know you have to be 
willing to really want to be 

1395
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,640
helped. 
And what you need for that 

1396
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:53,400
program to work in your life is 
you need God gift of desperation

1397
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,320
that I knew I couldn't live 
another day with the way I was 

1398
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,360
living and the way I think. 
And so I called that man and 

1399
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,120
said, hey, after I heard that 
voice, after I got done helping 

1400
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,320
that girl with her sister's 
death, I was of service to her. 

1401
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,640
And then we kind of just broke 
up and went our separate ways in

1402
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,520
a kind, gentler way. 
We I said, hey, I got to go to 

1403
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,960
California. 
I got to go work with this man 

1404
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,880
because I I can't do this thing.
And I've been with that man now.

1405
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,680
And now that when I stay with 
him, I just mean he's my 

1406
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,120
spiritual guide. 
He's my rabbi in recovery. 

1407
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,800
He's not a, say, rabbi. 
He's, you know, was born and 

1408
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,120
raised Orthodox, but he teaches 
men how to get this thing 

1409
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,000
through recovery and I still 
work with, I talked to him every

1410
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,920
morning, said his day, it's been
4 1/2 years and in that time the

1411
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,200
government and other people have
come to me and now my life is in

1412
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,200
shambles and now the government 
and everyone's coming to me 

1413
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,479
going. 
Hey, we heard you know about a 

1414
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,160
lot of neo Nazi cops and I said 
yeah. 

1415
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,160
And they said, will you come 
testify in front of the United 

1416
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,399
States Congress for us then when
you testify to the names? 

1417
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:55,880
And you know when you tell the. 
Truth. 

1418
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,120
And I said absolutely. 
And so that happened about three

1419
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,359
years ago, 3 1/2, No, almost 
four years ago. 

1420
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:07,240
And I went and I testified and 
my life has changed dramatically

1421
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:13,080
from from that moment. 
And anyway I very active now. 

1422
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,960
I got and when I came here I got
not just in recovery. 

1423
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:23,840
I got very active in Judaism in 
my Judaism and and and you know 

1424
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,560
became part of the temple go to 
tour studies three times a week.

1425
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,640
You know keep a Shabbat in my 
life. 

1426
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,640
Stay kosher. 
Do the 100 blessings a day which

1427
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,439
is one of my favorite things to 
do is 100 blessings a day. 

1428
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:46,080
Pray three times a day. 
And my activism and what I'm 

1429
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,760
what I believe my my God wants 
me to do is to. 

1430
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,520
He doesn't. 
He's not my servitude. 

1431
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,760
Says tells me that he's not very
happy with mass incarceration. 

1432
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,720
He's not very happy with. 
And the imprisonment of the poor

1433
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,280
that we do. 
And a lot of it goes back to 

1434
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,120
policing and traffic stops and 
pulling people out of cars for 

1435
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,840
every little thing. 
And then God's like, I'm going 

1436
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,680
to give you the. 
I'm going to give you some of 

1437
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,600
the answers and you're going to 
go out and you're going to talk 

1438
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,000
about it. 
And that's what I've been doing 

1439
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,600
for the last four years because,
you know, when I read Proverbs, 

1440
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,720
and that's one of the great 
things I love about being Jewish

1441
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,840
now, is that I don't go around 
and try to browbeat people with 

1442
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,680
the proverbs. 
I just try to live them to the 

1443
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,640
best of my ability and I try to 
educate myself on the situations

1444
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,000
God wants me to go out and be of
service to him for and just do 

1445
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,480
my best. 
And so that's that's where I am 

1446
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:42,880
today doing that work. 
So I'm curious to know about 

1447
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:48,240
that that voice that you heard 
in your head or whatever it was.

1448
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,080
Do you Is that voice something 
that, like you're you kind of 

1449
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,600
used as an inspiration? 
Like when you pray, do you feel 

1450
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,960
like you want you're kind of 
trying to get that voice back? 

1451
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,480
Are you? 
Is that is that something that, 

1452
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:04,640
you know, obviously really 
impacted you, but did that your 

1453
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,000
whole outlook on prayer? 
Because you were praying, you 

1454
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,720
were shouting and crying out to 
God and then something happened 

1455
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,880
miraculously, almost. 
And now, as a Jew, as a 

1456
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:18,280
practicing Jew, do you feel like
when you pray, like there's 

1457
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,000
there's actually something on 
the other side that's listening?

1458
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:28,640
I, I, and I just had a yes, yes,
I When people talk about God, if

1459
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Hashem is real, any of that, I I
always go 1,000,000%. 

1460
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,040
I know he's real. 
I know he's real. 

1461
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,440
And because of that moment and 
because not even just because of

1462
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,040
that exact moment, but because 
of me listening to the voice of 

1463
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,840
going to the man that was 
envisioned in my head to go to 

1464
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,000
that man, he's going to help 
you. 

1465
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,600
And the way that he has taught 
me to find and to practice and 

1466
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:56,520
to believe and not only that is 
to rely on to rely on him. 

1467
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,080
And so. 
So because of that moment, it 

1468
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,880
lets me know that it's real. 
Yes. 

1469
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,600
So you're right. 
It's just something is on the 

1470
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,320
other side. 
I love prayer meditation now. 

1471
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,720
I mean, I look for so every 
morning just. 

1472
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,560
You know you do you I do me. 
That's one thing that says love 

1473
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:20,000
the Lord your God, my God. 
I get to do what I want I every 

1474
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,280
morning, since I live out here 
on the West Coast now is I get. 

1475
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,400
I take an hour and a half walk 
every morning and I call it my 

1476
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,400
my God walk is what I call it. 
But. 

1477
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,960
In that walk what I do is. 
I I get to keep saying the word 

1478
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,960
stay, stay like, 'cause I, you 
know, when you're in an hour and

1479
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,000
a half long God walk or a walk 
period, your mind starts to go, 

1480
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,360
oh, why didn't so and so text me
back yesterday? 

1481
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,200
Go. 
They're all about myself. 

1482
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,720
Well, the voice that I have 
inside of me gets to go stay, 

1483
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:53,040
STAY, stop thinking about 
yourself and just think about 

1484
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,120
others. 
Think about all the people that 

1485
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,520
I I help in, in the program, in 
the, you know, I'm very, very 

1486
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,240
active in my recovery. 
Like I help a bunch of other men

1487
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,880
find their way through recovery.
So that doesn't have to be, you 

1488
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,880
know, so they're not Jewish or 
and some are. 

1489
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:13,200
Some, you know, 11 is now with 
all my other guys. 

1490
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,720
They're not. 
But I walk them just as I would 

1491
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,360
walk anyone else to a 
relationship with God by using 

1492
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,960
the, the tenants that are in 
this recovering lifestyle. 

1493
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,800
Again, you have to be anonymous 
about this stuff. 

1494
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,920
So I can't discover, hey, I'm 
part of this one group, you 

1495
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,000
know, that's very, very 
important that we don't do that.

1496
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,440
So that's why I have to tread on
this tradition very lightly. 

1497
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,880
But most people that know about 
the program will know this guy's

1498
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,400
in recovery. 
So the reason why to say that 

1499
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,280
is, you know, that's a huge part
of my, my, also my. 

1500
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,400
Service is to help other men get
out of that life of hell. 

1501
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,760
And it is a life of hell by by 
working the the program. 

1502
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,920
So it's. 
A question. 

1503
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,440
Do you go by also a Hebrew name 
now? 

1504
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:59,760
Not yet. 
Not yet. 

1505
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,160
I'm. 
I want to. 

1506
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,920
I'm. 
One of the things that I've come

1507
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,560
to to every every Shabbat. 
I usually do a lot with King. 

1508
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,040
I love King David, love King 
David. 

1509
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,960
Like that's my that's my guy. 
I just love my favorite my. 

1510
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,280
Favorite. 
I think he's everyone. 

1511
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,560
'S favorite character. 
Really is just, yeah, yeah, he 

1512
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,800
is he 'cause he's he's the the 
perfect. 

1513
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,880
Example of a human being who if 
you do the right to me, what it 

1514
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,600
says to me and I again, I don't 
ever preach I don't preach I. 

1515
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:31,760
Love. 
That's one of the greatest 

1516
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,400
things to do about us. 
We don't get. 

1517
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,440
I don't got to preach for my I 
know I have a personal 

1518
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:39,080
relationship and where I get my 
strength from. 

1519
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,200
But when I look at where, you 
know, when you when we do stuff 

1520
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,400
for ourselves, it's not so. 
I don't say God's against it. 

1521
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,800
It's just not blessed as much as
when you're doing it for the 

1522
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,200
people. 
You're doing it for your tribe 

1523
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,320
or you're doing it for to make 
others, you know, be able to be 

1524
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,360
healthy and better. 
That's when it works better. 

1525
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,960
And it I see that a lot in in 
King David's life, you know, And

1526
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,880
so I try to stick to that. 
And you know, and there's one 

1527
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,680
question I ask every rabbi I 
come across all the time, I 

1528
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,920
always go, why do you think no 
matter what? 

1529
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,360
Why did he grab 5 stones when he
wants? 

1530
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:18,680
To go. 
Five. 

1531
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,680
Shoot. 
Sorry guys. 

1532
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,080
One of my biggest questions I 
always ask people is why did he 

1533
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,520
grab 5 stones when he should 
have just grabbed one? 

1534
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,640
He only needed one, you know, 
and he's loved those type of 

1535
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,120
deep thought thinking for me 
it's a very deep thinking thing 

1536
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,680
is. 
But the last thing I will say, 

1537
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,880
guys, or not the last thing, but
what's very important to me here

1538
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,680
is, Oh my. 
God. 

1539
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,720
Sorry, somebody keeps calling 
in. 

1540
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,400
Sorry about that. 
We don't. 

1541
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,840
We don't hear. 
You can keep going. 

1542
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:58,360
OK. 
Is that in America? 

1543
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:04,960
The truth is that in 50 years 
we're going to be 11. 

1544
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,560
Tribe is molding here. 
It's in 50 years. 

1545
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:12,840
Like that mixed race American. 
Is going to be something that is

1546
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,360
going to be so prevalent and 
then 300 years. 

1547
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,920
Almost almost all of us are 
gonna be the same color. 

1548
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,080
Like that's just the truth. 
And then we're gonna be that 

1549
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,360
tribe for thousands of years, 
thousands of years from now, 

1550
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,440
we're gonna be all one color 
here. 

1551
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:35,120
So when we look back on things 
like mass incarceration, when we

1552
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,680
look back on things where a 
certain community keeps saying, 

1553
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,560
yo, we're being abused by this 
one certain situation and 

1554
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,920
they're telling us we're being 
abused, you know, we're gonna 

1555
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,400
look back and go, oh, we should 
have listened, you know, And I 

1556
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,280
know that right now it's really 
hard for us to say those people 

1557
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,400
or these people are right 
because some right now, some 

1558
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,120
people are really turning their 
backs on us. 

1559
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,760
And I get it, man. 
I get it. 

1560
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,600
But the truth is, if you could 
go back to Martin Luther King, 

1561
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,240
you go back to Malcolm X, you go
back to James Baldwin. 

1562
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:08,720
You go back. 
To all these Great American 

1563
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,960
black leaders, they've all 
talked about police brutality. 

1564
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:16,240
All of them. 
And we have mass incarceration 

1565
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,160
on a scale that never has been 
seen before, and it's mostly off

1566
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,360
of them. 
So what are we gonna do when 

1567
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,360
this tribe starts to more and 
more come together? 

1568
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,040
We're gonna look back on these 
times, just like when we look 

1569
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,920
back on cops singing dogs and 
shooting fire hoses and killing 

1570
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,040
them and we all look back now 
and go, oh why? 

1571
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:35,880
Didn't we see it? 
What? 

1572
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,600
But what is wrong with us? 
We're gonna do the same thing 20

1573
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,680
years from now, 30 years from 
now. 

1574
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,800
We're gonna go. 
Oh yeah. 

1575
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,000
They used to just pull people 
over for any reason just so they

1576
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,600
could rip them out of their car 
and structure cars. 

1577
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,880
That's insane. 
And we have mass incarceration 

1578
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,080
because we didn't stick to the 
Bill of Rights. 

1579
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,600
One of the great things about 
this country isn't the people. 

1580
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,000
Like we got to be real people 
don't come here because 

1581
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,520
Americans are great people. 
They they don't. 

1582
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,880
It's the truth. 
We have some. 

1583
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,320
Serious problems and issues. 
They come here because we have 

1584
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,360
an amazing Bill of Rights and 
the Bill of Rights isn't really 

1585
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,640
given to everybody. 
It's just not. 

1586
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,400
The 4th Amendment isn't 
respected on black people, or 

1587
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,680
people of color or poor whites. 
It's not Cops don't care. 

1588
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,960
Don't rip them out of their cars
in front of their children. 

1589
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,520
Search them. 
And it's something that should 

1590
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,240
not be happening in this 
country. 

1591
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,200
Where we're supposed to? 
How prevalent is this? 

1592
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,440
You you you mentioned that you 
spoke to the FBI. 

1593
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,680
Like. 
And you spoke in Washington? 

1594
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,680
What? 
How how prevalent is this 

1595
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,760
problem with though? 
Like they're infiltrating, you 

1596
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,760
know, our different bodies of 
government and so on and 

1597
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,120
policing. 
Like how? 

1598
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,920
How bad do you think it is? 
It's not that. 

1599
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,320
There's like hard carrying neo 
Nazis anymore. 

1600
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,640
It's not that. 
It is that they're a lot of 

1601
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,400
their unions and their 
membership is very, and I I'm 

1602
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,520
not, I'm for conservatives. 
I'm for. 

1603
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,480
People that are conservatives 
I'm talking about. 

1604
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:13,600
Far right extremists are a lot 
in our policing. 

1605
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,720
A lot. 
It's it's part of the police 

1606
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,200
bubble. 
Just go look at their unions, Go

1607
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,560
look at their a lot of what 
their unions do and say it's 

1608
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,600
it's it really is as bad as 
people have been saying it is. 

1609
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,520
So it's not just these white 
supremacists. 

1610
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,160
It's. 
Proud. 

1611
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,960
Boys, there's tons of Proud Boys
that are police. 

1612
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,800
There's tons of Oath Keepers. 
These are all far right wing 

1613
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,200
extremist groups and they're 
become cops. 

1614
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:43,160
And there's a hundreds of them 
and like districts and and all 

1615
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,520
different places and so you know
and and we're not asking and I I

1616
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,240
the people that I work with the 
activists that I work with we're

1617
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,760
not screaming defund we're not 
I'm not for defunding the. 

1618
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,400
Police at all like. 
Fund homicide divisions. 

1619
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:57,640
Fund them. 
Rape divisions. 

1620
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,680
Fund those special units. 
Fund them. 

1621
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,200
But stop funding these little 
tricks of of. 

1622
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:08,120
You know traffic stops and 
pulling people out of cars for 

1623
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,840
every little thing. 
And it's it's not it's not what 

1624
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,800
Imagine Ben Franklin, one of my 
my heroes, one of my biggest 

1625
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,360
heroes in this. 
If you imagine if he would have 

1626
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,720
came back right now and says hey
how's this country how's that 

1627
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:26,640
freedom and liberty we left you.
Oh well you know we have 34% of 

1628
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,840
the world's women's prison. 
Pop you. 

1629
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,040
I will say this again. 
We have 34% of the world's 

1630
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:37,440
women's prison population in a 
country that only has 5% of the 

1631
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:41,520
population of the world. 
Oh, our freedom of liberty isn't

1632
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,960
what we thought it was. 
Like our founding fathers. 

1633
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,760
We horrified that we have mass 
incarceration on the scale we 

1634
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,400
have. 
And just for people that are 

1635
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,320
listening to this think, oh, 
this is some woke liberalism, 

1636
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,240
this we're not talking about 
upstate prisons anymore. 

1637
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,320
We're talking about the growth 
of the American county jails. 

1638
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,600
And that's where they hold 
again. 

1639
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,760
And I'm not at prison 
abolishness. 

1640
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,440
I don't. 
I, I there's people that do 

1641
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:06,960
belong in there. 
But I'm telling you that we're 

1642
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,760
we're going down the wrong track
when they get to do civil 

1643
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,280
forfeitures to people. 
Like there's a lot. 

1644
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,520
There's a bunch of real real, 
real concrete police reforms 

1645
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,880
that we can do to stop what's 
happening to this country. 

1646
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,280
So and and that's my job. 
That's my job today. 

1647
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,040
That's the work that God said, 
hey I'm gonna give you, give the

1648
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,480
work you're you're, I'm gonna 
give you the knowledge. 

1649
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,400
I'm gonna give you the 
information and you're gonna go 

1650
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,560
relay it to people and that's 
what I do. 

1651
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,520
Well, God bless you for 
everything you do. 

1652
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,080
I I personally, I always like 
years ago when you hear things 

1653
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,440
about neo Nazis in America, you 
know, we we don't really 

1654
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:48,960
experience it because also you 
know it's like right wing 

1655
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,800
extremism is not something that 
is culturally accepted. 

1656
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,240
For example an antifa member 
he's gonna get a pat on the 

1657
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,200
back. 
You know by by by the culture 

1658
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,080
because it's you know it's 
there's a lot of liberals in 

1659
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,320
this country and and we we we 
promote certain ideas but with 

1660
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:08,760
right wing extremism you don't 
really they they don't they're 

1661
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,800
kind of underground. 
So there's feeling there's 

1662
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,560
always this feeling like OK, but
it's exaggerated it's not really

1663
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,760
there And now ever since 
especially now since after 

1664
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,360
October 7th, you're starting to 
see like the Country Club anti 

1665
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,720
Semites with their bow tie 
coming on on the news. 

1666
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,240
You're like, oh, I thought they 
were on our side. 

1667
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,760
And. 
And and it's it's actually like 

1668
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,960
the liberals, a lot of them who 
are behind us. 

1669
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,360
And it's not I'm not saying, you
know, I I don't have the 

1670
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,520
statistics but it feels you've 
been duped. 

1671
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,800
You know, like so, so for me, 
now that you're talking about 

1672
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,760
all this right wing 
anti-Semitism, you know, do you,

1673
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:51,520
do you feel like we're heading 
in the right direction with that

1674
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,200
or do you feel like we're just 
spiraling? 

1675
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,360
No. 
And I I don't like being 

1676
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:03,320
alarmist, but you know, you 
know, obviously far right wing 

1677
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,480
extremism in any shape or form, 
no matter where it comes from. 

1678
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:09,320
I'm not for it. 
But what I've watched because 

1679
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,400
now for the last 30 years I've 
been very active in the anti 

1680
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,200
extremist work. 
I mean I've been all over the 

1681
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,880
world. 
I've worked with different 

1682
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,240
organizations. 
I worked with former Jihadist, I

1683
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,120
worked with former Mujaha 
Hamadid, I worked with tons of 

1684
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,760
these people for the last 30 
years. 

1685
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,400
That's what I mean. 
For some reason Hashem has kept 

1686
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,520
me relevant in that world that 
when I finally had the spiritual

1687
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,080
change and I've had the 
spiritual awakening to truly 

1688
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,720
doing this for other people. 
I'll tell you this when I've 

1689
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:39,600
watched now so many Americans 
and it's on both sides that are 

1690
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,600
blinded to the fact that they 
are standing behind and Iran 

1691
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:54,000
backed jihadist movement who 
like we're losing the marketing 

1692
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,800
game here and it's it's it's 
crazy that again we're standing 

1693
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:05,720
behind a group that is backed by
Iran who literally call for the 

1694
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,720
extermination you know and the 
the genocide of us from the 

1695
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:16,360
river to the sea and it's and 
then they call around and say 

1696
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,520
that we're doing genocide like 
we're how how we're losing that 

1697
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,760
marketing war is is crazy but we
are you know it. 

1698
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,560
Debunks it. 
Debunks this whole idea that 

1699
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,560
Jews run the media and all that.
Because if we did, we're we're 

1700
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,200
terrible at it, right 'cause? 
We're terrible at run. 

1701
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,240
And let's let's be honest, 
before October 7th, even then we

1702
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,280
were not good at even running 
Israel. 

1703
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,880
We were always, you know what I 
mean? 

1704
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,000
Like we're always arguing and 
protesting and you know. 

1705
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,520
Like. 
And and it just is what it is. 

1706
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,760
It's not I'm not judging anybody
here. 

1707
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,800
Like we can't even run Israel, 
right? 

1708
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,360
Let alone run the world. 
And I'll tell you that one of 

1709
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,840
the other thing is when I was 
part of the Neo Nazi world and I

1710
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,120
still hear to this day from some
of the groups where I always go,

1711
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:03,760
Oh yeah, it's 10 old Jewish men 
get together and they in a cabal

1712
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,080
and they can roll the world. 
I'm like now that I know the 

1713
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,800
truth because I go to temple and
I've been very active in my 

1714
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,800
community. 
You get 10 old Jewish men 

1715
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,240
together. 
That's thirty different opinions

1716
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,560
on everything we're about to 
talk about. 

1717
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,560
What do you, You know what I 
mean? 

1718
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,960
Like, we can't even choose where
we're going to go to lunch, let 

1719
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,000
alone where we're going to, you 
know, go run the world. 

1720
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,600
Are you out of your mind? 
Like, that's just real. 

1721
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,120
That's just facts. 
And they're just beautiful 

1722
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,360
children of God, you know? 
So. 

1723
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,360
What do you think from your 
unique perspective as somebody 

1724
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:35,760
who wasn't, you know, practicing
Judaism and was anti Jewish? 

1725
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,160
From your point of view, where 
do you see like the root of 

1726
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,960
anti-Semitism in this country? 
Where does it come from? 

1727
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,000
Is it jealousy? 
Is it ignorance? 

1728
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,840
Combination. 
Yeah, it's good. 

1729
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,560
It's, it's it's both. 
Oh OK. 

1730
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,880
I'm about to my phone's about to
go here but so sorry it it's a 

1731
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,000
little bit of both. 
We are and I'm so proud to say 

1732
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:07,920
we just so you know I'm so proud
to say we we are a successful 

1733
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:13,440
minority who has throughout time
been the activist for others and

1734
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:17,320
we can go down the whole list of
the whole civil rights movement 

1735
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:22,160
in 196364 was because two Jewish
men and a black man were killed 

1736
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,480
in Mississippi and that's what 
catapulted the civil rights bill

1737
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:31,360
into effect today or this 
weekend is is Saint Patrick's 

1738
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,680
Day where they eat corned beef 
and cabbage which they didn't 

1739
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,680
really eat that they ate bacon 
and cabbage when they could. 

1740
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,920
The Irish I'm talking about 
until they got close to us in 

1741
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,960
America and the Jew, Jewish 
butchers and bakery shops. 

1742
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,280
And then we started to supply 
them with a very, very cheap 

1743
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,200
meal to keep them alive. 
If the Irish were starving to 

1744
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,720
death. 
And that's corned beef. 

1745
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,000
And now they, it's it's an Irish
tradition because we fed it to 

1746
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,480
them. 
We fed that to them. 

1747
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,120
And I think that's how my 
ancestors even met that, which 

1748
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:08,120
is a great story in itself. 
You know, everywhere we go, we 

1749
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,680
stand up for the others. 
When other people hated them, 

1750
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,320
like people hated the Irish, we 
stood up with them, people hated

1751
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:16,760
the blacks, we stood up with 
them. 

1752
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,160
So we've always been the success
and we've always been successful

1753
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,000
because of the way we're 
basically trained to be. 

1754
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,880
And what I mean by trained to be
is I've come to realize the 

1755
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,600
truth is that it's not that 
we're just the conspiracy, that 

1756
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,520
we're the high UPS in a lot of 
companies and in science and in 

1757
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,520
technology and you name it, you 
name it, we're high UPS in those

1758
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,360
organizations. 
It's not a conspiracy, it's just

1759
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,480
that we have a heritage of 
learning that we live. 

1760
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,520
Proverbs. 
You know what I mean? 

1761
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We just, for 3000 years now, 
we've been studying and learning

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'cause we're always on the move 
and we had to study and learn 

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when other cultures were stuck 
and stagnated. 

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It's just the truth. 
And so now we're really good at 

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that. 
And so wherever we go, we make 

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better. 
But until the people turn their 

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backs on us. 
And so, you know, it's funny, I 

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have. 
AI have a Hebrew name for you 

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that you want to maybe consider.
Go ahead. 

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Natan, it means to give Natan. 
Think about that one. 

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Now think about it. 
And actually, connection. 

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He's the prophet who tells King 
David that you know the whole 

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story about how he's sin and he 
admits his, his, his, his wrong 

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ways, right. 
So actually that's a very good 

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name for for him, not. 
Talking to him, well, that's the

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that's the the the farmer who 
stole the one who stole the the 

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one and loved that story and 
loved that. 

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Story. 
Amazing story. 

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Well, Frank, I know you said 
your phone's gonna die, but this

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was really like a girl. 
Inspiration. 

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And we we hope to stay in touch 
and we really are. 

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So we're just blown away by your
your life story and where you 

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are today. 
And we really wish you all the 

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best and your your inspiration. 
You really are. 

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We we feel like you're an Angel.
So for us, you know, to be just 

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having the honor to speak to you
and to spread your message, it's

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just like it's an amazing 
opportunity for us. 

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So thank you so much. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you for having me. 
It's an honor. 

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Thank you. 
It's an honor for us, Shavuotov.

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Shavuotov Bye guys. 
Hey guys, thanks so much for 

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tuning into the Judas and 
Demystified podcast. 

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We really appreciate all your 
support and your feedback. 

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If you want to help us grow the 
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word. 
Share with your friends, family,

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or whoever you think would be 
interested. 

1797
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We also open to Patreon so you 
can become a patron. 

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01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,840
Contribute any small amount 
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help us grow the show. 
Our Patreon is www.patreon.com 

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slash Judaism Pretty easy to 
remember. 

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Thank you again and we hope to 
keep putting out great shows for

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you guys. 
Before we go, we want to thank 

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our Patreon supporters by name. 
Those are the supporters that 

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are helping make this show 
happen because frankly, Benzie 

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and I are full time workers who 
don't really have so much time 

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on our hands because we have 
families, we have kids, and it's

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01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,680
just a passion project that got 
way bigger than we expected. 

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So we're dedicating more time to
this. 

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And obviously our production 
value up until this point hasn't

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been great considering that we 
film this in Benzie's basement 

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using a green screen and a 
crappy little microphone and not

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01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,080
such great equipment to be 
honest, I'm sure you all realize

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that. 
So we are hoping to up our 

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quality and get better equipment
and part of that process is 

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going to be due to you guys, the
listeners and supporters. 

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If you go to our Patreon page, 
patreon.com/judaism, you will 

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see all the different tiers of 
ways you can help us out. 

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So first of all, we want to 
thank our Super Patron Jordan 

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01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:15,680
Carmilli, our Platinum Patron 
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01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,000
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01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,280
Volkov, Silver Patrons Ellen 
Fleischer, Daniel Maximov, Rabbi

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,520
Penny Rosenthal, and Jeffrey 
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Thank you all for supporting the
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