1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,520 Welcome to Judaism Demystified, a podcast for the perplexed. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,320 Join us as we explore some of the most fascinating Jewish and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Torah related topics with our esteemed guests. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,560 By tackling some of the biggest questions you likely won't find 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,000 addressed elsewhere, we aim to shed light on important issues 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,600 and inspire a return to the fundamentals. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Enjoy the show. Thank you for joining the 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Judaism Demystified podcast. We are joined by Ramosha 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,560 Lichtman. Thank you so much for joining. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,240 Welcome. Thank you for having me. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,440 And before we begin, we usually ask our guests if you could just 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,720 tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got to 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,720 translating the book we're going to be discussing today. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:57,080 OK, in a nutshell, I was born and bred in Elizabeth, NJ Went 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,920 to the JC. That's the, you know, local 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,080 yeshiva there. And I would say a typical modern 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Orthodox kid, basketball was my life in high school, you know, 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,800 that kind of thing, you know, and then I went for my year in 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,920 Israel and that's where my life changed. 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,920 Like, like I would say most kids today, their lives change when 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,400 they come to the year in Israel. Mind changed in an interesting 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,960 way. I did get a little bit into the 23 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:30,160 learning, but it was more that I got into Eretz Israel. 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,120 I literally fell in love with Israel from, I wouldn't say from 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,720 the very beginning, but at a certain point in the year I, I 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,520 said, this is it. This is where I'm living and 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,320 that changed my whole trajectory of life. 28 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:47,000 This is my goal. My goal is to get back to 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,120 Israel. And it, you know, it, it, it is 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,360 why I went into hinoch as opposed to I was going to be a 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,640 doctor and then a dentist. I decided to go into Hino, stay 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 in Israel. You know, to make a Long story 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,200 short, I was back in America for a little bit. 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:09,160 I finished college and I did college NYU and and then I spent 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:15,160 four years learning in Israel in different, different Shivot and 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,280 had to go back to America and find my wife Bharat Hashem found 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,920 her right away. We were back within two years, 38 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:25,560 we were back in Israel. And really, I guess my, my 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,640 career as a translator slash writer started there, started 40 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:34,440 in, when, when we came back and officially made aliyah, which 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,640 now is 35 years ago. I, I, I learned in a Colo called 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,280 the merits Colo and Mevaceretzione. 43 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,080 I mean, that's where also there's a, there's an American 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,840 yeshiva there called Yeshiva Shari Nevaceretzione. 45 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,200 And I worked there for a few years. 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,400 It's interesting. We're getting, we're coming up 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,120 to shovel out, right? So I remember the shovel out 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,800 before we made aliyah, you know, and shovel out night. 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,400 It's hard to keep it, to stay awake. 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,320 You have to find something that's interesting, that's 51 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,680 exciting. So I remember my year in Israel. 52 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,920 You know, there's this thing in Israel, it's book week in June, 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,240 June time around. Now there's a book week where 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,760 they set up a book stands all over the country. 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,600 And then all the bookstores have discounts. 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,600 And I remember going and I was told someone pointed to a book, 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,360 a blue and white book called Emma Banim Smeha. 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,640 And I was told, I was told you gotta get, you gotta buy that 59 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,360 book. You know, I'm a Zionist, so you 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,760 have to buy that book. Funny thing is, I also bought 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,480 another book there, which I also ended up translating one day. 62 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,680 So at some point over the years before this, I tried to read 63 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,800 Emma Banim Smeha and it was, it did not go well. 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,480 It was hard because I started with the introduction, not his 65 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,840 introduction, the publishers introduction, which is not easy. 66 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,400 It's very Israeli Hebrew. So I had a hard time with it. 67 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,920 I put it down and then this shovel world comes and I say, 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,520 you know what, I got to learn something. 69 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,040 I want something exciting. Let me start, Let me try the 70 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,920 book again. And I said this time I'm going 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,600 to skip the introduction, go straight to the book. 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,360 And then that was life changing. I mean, if you've ever learned 73 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,120 everybody, I mean, usually I get interviewed about that book. 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,400 It is the one of the most powerful books ever written. 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,600 The whole story about this Gullah B Israel who was anti 76 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,880 Zionistic and he changed his mind during the Holocaust. 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,160 Without going into too much detail. 78 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,760 So I get I get to Israel and I finished the book while cause 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,480 not just a few months later we made aliyah and I finished the 80 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,600 book when I was in Israel. And I noticed in the 81 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,400 introduction that it thanked A Rav Uri Cohen. 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,840 And my Roche Kolel in the Vassar was of Uri Cohen. 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,040 Does this have anything to do with you? 84 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,600 He said, yeah, my son is the publisher. 85 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,480 So I go to his son, who lives across the street, and I say 86 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,200 this book has to be translated into English. 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,280 He says, yeah, I know Bharu Hashem, we have somebody. 88 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:07,080 It's already been translated. We're just, we're just editing 89 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,640 it. I have a few guys working on the 90 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,760 editing. And then I, I said to him, you 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,240 know what, if you don't mind, I'll just take a look at it. 92 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,920 I'm, I had no intention of being a translator. 93 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,040 I just wanted to see it. I wanted, I was so excited that 94 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,200 it's going to be in English. He showed it to me and it was 95 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,960 worse than awful. It was such a bad translation. 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,320 I said to him immediately, stop. I said I've never done this 97 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,840 before, but I will try my best to edit the existing translation 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 after one chapter. After one chapter, I realized 99 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,560 that I have to start from scratch and that really started 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,720 my whole translating career. I came up with that book. 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,840 I worked on it for about 3 years and came out with it. 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,680 I then did a book on Ruff Cook's life. 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,640 It's called Malachin Kivna Adam in English, it's called An Angel 104 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,240 among Men, the beautiful, beautiful biography. 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,160 I'm Ruff Cook with beautiful stories and also his philosophy. 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,040 And then we're getting to our book, right, A Question of 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,080 redemption. Then the next book on my list to 108 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,000 do was a book called Ayalata Shakar by Raviako Philber. 109 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,480 I don't know if you're familiar with that book. 110 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,480 So it's a classic, classic, classic and religious Zionist 111 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,880 philosophy. Ayalata Shakar, he's a student 112 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,120 of Ruf kuk, Ruf Tuihuda. He's one of the greatest experts 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,320 in Ruf Kuk, the father's writings and it's really a 114 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,800 beautiful safer goes through the various different topics related 115 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,640 to the whole religious Zionist issue. 116 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,560 And I even contacted the author and said I want to translate. 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,880 He said great. And then in the big Midrash 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,400 shows up a book. That's the way they sell books a 119 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,280 lot. A lot of authors, you know, who 120 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:59,440 don't have publishers and don't have the money to to really 121 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,800 invest. They they publish it self 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,680 publish, get somebody to bring it to all the different Yoshi 123 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,040 vote and they distribute it that way. 124 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,280 You pay 20 shackle for the book, a few a few dollars and then you 125 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:10,840 get a book. So there was a book called 126 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,760 Hamadi nahi Udith. Actually, you probably never saw 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,160 it in Hebrew. This is the this is the original 128 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,120 Hebrew one, Hamadi nahi udit. OK, you know that that's the 129 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,200 name of Herzl's book, right? Judenstat, right, Hamidi nahi 130 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,680 udit. But of course he's looking at it 131 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,800 from a much different perspective. 132 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,120 So anyway, that book was for sale. 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,600 I said sure, you know, I, I always buy books that have to do 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,320 with that. I mean, the night Israel, I 135 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,720 wrote Israel, I read it and I said forget about Ayela de 136 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Shakar for now or Philber's book, End of the story is that 137 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,760 15 years later I did Ayala Shakar. 138 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,000 That was my most recent book. A few years ago I came out with 139 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,080 that also. But it was so great. 140 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,920 This Medina you Hadid was so on the ball, so perfect the 141 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,200 answering the questions that everyone was asking. 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 I said I have to translate this right away. 143 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,040 This has got to be my next project. 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,400 And, and then that's, that's basically what I did. 145 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,440 And that, that is a question of redemption. 146 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,720 It became my third translation. And since then I've done others. 147 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Maybe as we go on, we'll talk about some of the other books 148 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,040 that I've written. But you know, this one really, 149 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,040 really caught my eye And, you know, it sold out right away. 150 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,120 The, the, the Hebrew edition, like it was very, very popular 151 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,240 cause, you know, there's a lot of sperm out there, but he 152 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,360 really puts everything together into, into logical, you know, 153 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,159 topics, subtopics, and he answers the questions with such 154 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,880 precision and, you know, shorten to the point it's Mamash and 155 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,720 it's really a great book. So by the way, by the way, 156 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,920 before you, I want to just thank you guys for, for being the 157 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,920 catalyst to make me review the book. 158 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,160 It's been I don't know how many years. 159 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,720 And I look at the thing, it was put out of 5764. 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,040 That's 22 years ago. I translated it. 161 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,040 I'm not saying I have read parts of it since then, but I 162 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,040 literally the last few weeks I've been reading it from from 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,280 beginning to end. And that's thanks to you because 164 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,680 I wanted to make sure that I was on the ball and I remembered, I 165 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,680 remembered everything. So yeah. 166 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Absolutely. And I so, so we came across, I 167 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:23,280 came across the book. So my niece, my niece Odelia was 168 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,240 married to Josh Aziz, who you know, shout out to them for, 169 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,320 for, for, for recommending you and the book. 170 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,200 And exactly the way you said it is the way I felt it as I was 171 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,080 reading the book. It, I loved how it was not so 172 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,920 much philosophy. It wasn't like, you know, 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,280 overly, you know it. It was to the point, very 174 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,240 straightforward within, within the text Tana Gemara, like, you 175 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,320 know, just here you go. And it was just, there was a, 176 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,800 there was a powerful, it was, it felt very powerful When you read 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 it, a lot of times people like, you know, you'll, you'll read a 178 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,720 book and it goes into like heavy philosophy and it starts, you 179 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,200 know, going. And this was like, OK, here's 180 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,000 the question. And it's a, and it's a real 181 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,120 question. It's an important question. 182 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,080 It's something we have to deal with. 183 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,040 Let's go see what actually it says in Tana. 184 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Let's go see what it says in the Gemara. 185 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Let's go. And and it was just is the eye 186 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,720 opener going through it. So, so we're, we're happy and 187 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,400 excited to to go through the book right now. 188 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,640 Gosh. OK, So just for for the first 189 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,520 question, since we brought up Theodore Herzl, there's a common 190 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,720 misconception regarding Zionism that it started, it all started 191 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,600 with Theodore Herzl. And you point out in your 192 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,320 introduction that it actually started 64 years before Herzl in 193 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,560 the form of a stimulated ideological debate. 194 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,880 Who are some of the rabbis who were for Zionism? 195 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,600 And what was the primary motive of those who opposed it? 196 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,400 And are those motives still pervasive today? 197 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Obviously, today we know Zionism is a big topic of conversation. 198 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,080 It's extremely relevant, more than ever before because many 199 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,320 Jews are maybe indifferent to the idea, or maybe they don't 200 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,040 see the connection, you know, as as some type of a biblical 201 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,920 prophecy coming to life. So I think it's extremely 202 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,960 important to have this conversation now more than ever. 203 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,600 So without further ado. Sure. 204 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,560 So it's interesting. I know he, I know the author 205 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,200 wrote, you know, started 64 years before and he said 206 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,120 Zionism, but Zionism actually really didn't. 207 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,120 The Zionism, that actual term really, really does start with 208 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Herzl. The ones who started the 209 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,560 movement to come back to Eretzi surreal were mostly religious 210 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:29,520 Jews, mostly big rabbis, who I'll give the names in a second. 211 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,320 And their movement was more called the Kovavetzion, like the 212 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,840 lovers of Zion, right? And, you know, the political 213 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,320 Zionism started more or less with Herzl. 214 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,400 So, you know, I forget who said it. 215 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,520 I think maybe it must have been a rough cuckoo said, you know, 216 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,800 you know, Zionism has become a bad word, unfortunately, in many 217 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,800 circles. But if you really think about 218 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,400 it, God is a Zionist because it says Ki bachar hashembicion IVA 219 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,240 le MO shavlou. I mean, we there's a bumper 220 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,560 sticker. Someone saw that someone wrote 221 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,720 that on it. God is a religious Zionist, 222 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,760 right? You know, it's God chose Zion. 223 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,960 He's the one who chose it. He's the one who desires it. 224 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,280 We say it every day in the Avenue Ivano Shavlou. 225 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,200 He desires it to be his dwelling place. 226 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:19,360 So these rabbis just I mean, what caused it? 227 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Probably a lot of different factors caused this idea to be 228 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,920 to be woken up in their in their minds, probably. 229 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,720 I mean, maybe we'll touch on this a little later, but you 230 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:39,360 know, probably divinely inspired to a certain degree that, you 231 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,280 know, why all of a sudden, you know, for thousands of years 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,560 Jews have been persecuted. It's not that the the Holocaust 233 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:49,040 or the the anti-Semitism that started prior to the Holocaust. 234 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,600 You know, it was nothing new. It was, you know, it was like 235 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,000 that all throughout history. So why was it that never before 236 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,840 did the Jews say, you know what, enough with this. 237 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Let's just pick up and let's go back to Israel and, you know, 238 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,400 reconquer our country or, you know, however we do it 239 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,240 politically, you know, by by asking, begging them to give us 240 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,520 back the land, etcetera. However we do it. 241 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,680 Why didn't that that ever happened before? 242 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,440 Because God didn't want it to happen before. 243 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,200 He's the one who who brought this idea up in the Jewish 244 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,160 collective mind to think about the possibility of, you know, 245 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,200 what anti-Semitism is just getting to the point where you 246 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,960 know, there's no future for us here. 247 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,280 So therefore many great rabbis and like he discusses in the 248 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,840 beginning, Rev Sihersh Kalischer, Ravihuda Alkali, 249 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Ravilio Guttmacher, very famous. You know, Jouavetzione, right? 250 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Zionists is like whether they were Zionists, they probably 251 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,600 were Zionists also, but not in the negative sense, obviously 252 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,440 not in the secular Zionist sense. 253 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,800 Similar to like with RAF Takhtal, the name of my name is 254 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,080 Mekhas. So people say he became a 255 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,720 Zionist. He did not become a Zionist, he 256 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:04,600 became a a lover of Zion. And well, I guess all true Tami 257 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,520 Dekh Hamim have to be a lover of Zion. 258 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,040 But you know, in a practical sense, he believed that it 259 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,960 became something that we have to do. 260 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,960 So you know, these great rabbis that I've mentioned that he 261 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,680 mentions in the introduction, but there are so many others, 262 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,640 so, so many others, I mean mentioned in various different 263 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,960 Svarim quoted, you know, there's a safer, I don't know if you 264 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,080 know this safer. It's called chivaccion. 265 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,360 I actually have a copy of it here. 266 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,400 For a long time it was out of print. 267 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,640 It was far to get safer called chivaccion. 268 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,920 OK, people have told me I have to translate it into English. 269 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,680 Well, I'm not so sure. It's a little. 270 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,200 This is the problem of living in America, but besides the problem 271 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 of not being in LTSO, we also don't get access to this Sony 272 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,560 amazing swarim. Right, right. 273 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,840 So this is a safe error by an Abraham Yakov Slutsky. 274 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,600 He lived. Let's see if it says when 275 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,480 exactly. Oh, it was first printed in 276 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,120 Warsaw in Tough Reish Nunbet. Somebody do the math for me? 277 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Tough Reish Nunbet Toughshenko, 130, No 100 and yeah, about 130 278 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,320 years ago, something like that, 150 years ago. 279 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,240 And that was when the whole question was becoming, you know, 280 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,560 a big issue of go back to Israel or not, you know, Zionism or 281 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,440 not. And he decided to write letters 282 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,280 to all the condolence of the generation and ask their opinion 283 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,640 on the issue. And there are just letter after 284 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,760 letter after letter that he got back from some of the biggest 285 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,200 names that you've that we all know of and also some people who 286 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,920 we're not so familiar with. But judging by the ones whose 287 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,880 name we do know, I assume the other ones are pretty big of 288 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:45,480 them. Also. 289 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,720 He wasn't just writing it to, you know, Joe Schmoe's. 290 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,440 He was writing it to big, big Rebunion. 291 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,320 And I mean, some of the rebunion are, you know, the Nitsieve 292 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,880 Remeer Simhov Devinsk right there, or Samayak Mesha Hochma, 293 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Rabi Oshua Kuttner, who was a big postsaic of the time, Rabi 294 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,640 Yitzko Hunt, Inspector Reitz. And Yu is named after him, which 295 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,760 I never really understood why, but but I do know, I do know 296 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,320 that he was literally the biggest postsaic in Europe. 297 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,440 Like he was #1 everyone would go to him for the biggest 298 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,320 questions. And of course, the Malbim. 299 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,880 The Malbim also wrote a letter here, a beautiful letter and, 300 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,280 and, and others like Rep Schmo Alivar, who was known to be, you 301 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,080 know, one of the biggest religious Zionists ever. 302 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:36,760 So, so there are many, many Gadolin who were pro, which 303 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,360 we'll maybe get to a touch upon a little bit more later on. 304 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,280 But you know, you asked what the, you know, what the, what 305 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160 were the reasons why they were opponents? 306 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Why did the opponents oppose it? So, you know, mainly I think it 307 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:59,400 was because they saw redemption as being a totally divinely 308 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,520 inspired, sort of like Mila Mala Mila Mata, you know, from heaven 309 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,040 to here, not, not something that we have to take part in, you 310 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:13,920 know, and to tell you the truth, that is really probably the most 311 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,160 plausible way it could have happened. 312 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,000 If you think about it, before the state of Israel, before the 313 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,800 whole Zionist and provocation, you would have asked, am I, 314 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,160 what's the most plausible way of Mashiach coming? 315 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,920 They'll say, well, from the heavens, like, you know, 316 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,240 miraculously, they'll say that we're going to we're going to 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,840 start a political movement and get control of our land from the 318 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,600 Turks or whoever They would say, are you out of your mind? 319 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,320 It's more, it's more possible that it's going to happen by 320 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760 miracles than it's going to happen in other ways. 321 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,240 So therefore they, they were like, and that's the way Jews 322 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,800 thought for hundreds of years, not thousands of years. 323 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,640 So therefore they were just against the whole idea of, you 324 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,760 know, we have to go and do something about it. 325 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,160 No, we have to sit back and we have to just pray and do Torah 326 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,200 mitzvot and the rest we leave up to God. 327 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,640 It's sort of it's. Sort of like a reflection of how 328 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 out of reach the concept and the idea was for them. 329 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,240 It just seemed so absurd that such a thing can happen that it 330 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,160 just like got relegated into, you know, let let ashram take 331 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,640 care of it type of situation. I understand. 332 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,960 Well, that is interesting because I understand what you're 333 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,400 saying. However, Fast forward, Fast 334 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,160 forward of roughly 50 years after that, that that book or 335 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,640 something like that, We did manage to re establish Art 336 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Israel yet and even today that same type of thinking is still 337 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,800 being employed. Right. 338 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,240 Correct, correct. You know, you want my opinion on 339 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,160 it. I think it's like hiding your 340 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,520 head, your head in the sand. I mean, we'll probably get to 341 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,040 the issues, but you know, it's because it was done by secular 342 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Jews and. We're going. 343 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,760 To get it can't, right? We'll get into that. 344 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:00,000 It's like, it can't be like if it was done by, by, from Jews 345 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,360 by, by the Dolehatdoor, I assume 99% of the Jewish world would be 346 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,240 on board. But since it wasn't, and so 347 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,440 that's a, you know, it's two things. 348 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Number one, that it was done by our own, you know, our own 349 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,200 hands. We, we were the ones who, who 350 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,160 made it happen seemingly, right? And which, which again is, is 351 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,960 sin number one, according to some people. 352 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,200 And #2 that it was done by secular Jews. 353 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Like, come on, how could that possibly be? 354 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,960 But there were other issues. There were, you know, practical 355 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,320 issues of like, you know why? And, and it's connected to what 356 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,680 we just said. Like, why put this crazy idea in 357 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,880 people's minds when it's never gonna happen, it's never gonna 358 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,720 come to fruition. And you're gonna take all of 359 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,520 these resources that we have and money donations and you're going 360 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,120 to, you know, send it towards that, which is not practical. 361 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Let's worry about our communities in in the diaspora 362 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,160 and not, you know, get us all excited about something that's 363 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,000 never going to happen. I mean, you know, there are 364 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,160 other issues, but you know, those were the main, I think the 365 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,560 main issues that caused people to be against. 366 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,480 Fair enough, Fair enough. OK, so let's let's get into the 367 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,480 second question as it touches upon what we actually just 368 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,880 brought up right now. So a common argument of those 369 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,240 who oppose religious Zionism is that the founders of Zionism and 370 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,000 the state of Israel are people who did not fulfill God's 371 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,080 commandments in their eyes. How can the ultimate redemption 372 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,080 begin with those who are not beholden to Allah? 373 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,480 It seems incomprehensible. Your book, the book begins with 374 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,480 the book begins with this question, as well as the 375 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,320 question of what value can there be in establishing the land 376 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,120 without to Hamid's vote and the idea that the redemption can be 377 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,000 brought about by secular Jews. We wanted to ask you to share 378 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,760 your insights into these matters. 379 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:44,600 OK so first we have to understand this is what he does 380 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,360 in the 1st chapter is it's not like this is a big finish. 381 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,360 It's not like this has never happened before in Jewish 382 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,280 history. There are plenty of precedents 383 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,960 where redemption came about even though the Jewish people were 384 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,240 not worthy, even though we were not on the proper level. 385 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,080 I mean, the, the 1st and most obvious example is, is is 386 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,480 Yitzhak Mitzrayim. I mean, we left Egypt, we were 387 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,680 on the 49th level of Tuma. How, how did God redeem us? 388 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,560 The answer is what? Because God promised that he 389 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,480 would. He said you're going to be in 390 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Egypt for 400 years. And, and when that time came, we 391 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040 have to be redeemed whether we deserve it or not. 392 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040 So, you know, the famous Rashi brings that Hashem gave us 2 393 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,360 mitzvot, Dam Mila and Dam Corbin Pesach, something that we could 394 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,080 show that we're doing something, you know, good something, some 395 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,040 kind of mitzvah for Hashem to give us some credit so we can 396 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,120 deserve it. So yeah. 397 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,880 So, so you know, that's that's number one. 398 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,000 And again, a precedent if we really actually even go before 399 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,440 that. No, no, I'm sorry, not before 400 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Egypt, but but another issue and that is that we find that 401 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,440 throughout the whole redemptive process, things happen in ways 402 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,440 that I guess most people would not have expected it to happen, 403 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,840 right? The the Davidic dynasty, which 404 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,960 is of course, the ultimate, you know, Kingdom of, of AMI Israel, 405 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,120 the Mesiach will eventually be a descendant of David had a lot of 406 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,720 problems, a lot of problems to say the very least. 407 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,280 And you start with and his the incest with his daughters that 408 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,760 created Moab and Amoan, of course. 409 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,360 And then from Moab came Root. And then on David's side, on the 410 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:35,880 on the Jewish side, you had Hudan Tamar, very problematic 411 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,520 story. And then from them came Peretz 412 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,040 eventually came Boaz. And now Boaz marries this root, 413 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,080 who's a descendant of getting to shovel out, right. 414 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,240 This is an important, you know, topic to talk about before 415 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,120 shovel out. And, you know, no one in their 416 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:55,000 right mind would have thought that such a holy the, the the 417 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,640 holy Messianic king is going to come from all these problematic 418 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,120 relationships. And nonetheless, who has his own 419 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,240 reasoning. We'll get to that in this in a 420 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,120 second. Why? 421 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,800 But we, so we find that these kind of things happen in the, in 422 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,080 the redemptive process, getting back to historical precedents. 423 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,280 So we have Egypt and we have also within Egypt, by the way, 424 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,240 the 4/5 of the Jewish people died, 4/5 were not even 425 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,240 deserving to, to come out of Egypt, which definitely shows 426 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,160 that we were not on the level that we deserved redemption. 427 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760 And of course, Biocheni is the best example in general. 428 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,960 I mean, the, the similarities between what happened in the 429 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,080 time of the Second Commonwealth and what's happening today are, 430 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,200 are uncanny. Like really, if you really think 431 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,160 about it, there's Cyrus's declaration, there's the Balfour 432 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,760 declaration, there's the fact that Ezra, you know, calls Jews 433 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,880 to come back. And many, many, many of them, 434 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,080 vast majority don't come back. Only 42,360 Jews follow Ezra. 435 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,280 Ezra was the God of adore. I mean, the the elder Kumaran 436 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,120 Sanhedra, I think it is, says that had the Torah not been 437 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,520 given to Moshe Arbena, would it would have been given to Ezra. 438 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,480 Ezra's calling the Jews to come back. 439 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,400 The 70 years of Golu was up. We knew, everyone knew After the 440 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,120 first temple was destroyed, the prophet said explicitly, it's 441 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,040 going to be 70 years. And then when that 70 years 442 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,000 came, it was like everything made sense. 443 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,560 Cyrus is saying, OK, Jews come back. 444 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,400 Ezra is calling the Jews to come back and rebuild the temple. 445 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,040 And most of the Jews don't listen to him. 446 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,640 Who comes up with Ezra? The, the lowlifes, the ones who 447 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,800 are intermarried, the ones who are Mahalo Shabbos, the ones who 448 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120 are, you know, doing all types of different sins. 449 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,520 And Ezra just accepts them. He just takes them with him. 450 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,280 And they are the ones who eventually built the Second 451 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Temple. And the whole, you know, the 452 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,440 whole link, the lineage of, of Torah Shabalpad, the whole, you 453 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,160 know, handing down of Torah Shabalpad, the Mesura, right, is 454 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,320 through these people 'cause they eventually Ezra was able to 455 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480 bring them back to Torah. But it's all, it's very similar. 456 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,640 I mean, today we had a declaration. 457 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,760 The nations of the world said you can come back. 458 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,640 And the people who came back were not the firmest. 459 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,560 It's, there's so many similarities. 460 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,000 But anyway, the point being here that that that didn't stop God 461 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,520 from redeeming the Jewish people and, and, and allowing them to 462 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,960 build the Second Temple, even though they were not the firmest 463 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,240 people. And in fact, I think, you know, 464 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560 if you read the book, remember I have one quote which I think is 465 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560 like so beautiful from the Nitsivami Valajan, which is 466 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,160 actually this is from that book that I was telling you about 467 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,720 before. The Shivat Sion is a bunch of 468 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,680 letters, bunch of letters from the Nitsivami Valajan. 469 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,000 And this is one of them. He says we must not speculate 470 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080 that this great matter, meaning the resettlement of Eretic 471 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,280 shall, should have occurred differently as people visualize 472 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,960 in their mind's eye. Indeed, one must not express his 473 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,720 opinion to God. Who are you to tell God how he 474 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,320 should do things? That's not up to us. 475 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:14,960 As the prophet Yeshio says, My thoughts are not your thoughts, 476 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,800 Your ways are not my ways, says Hashem. 477 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920 You can't understand me. We must not be overly wise and 478 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,600 say that it has to happen in a different way. 479 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,400 And then he says about the Second Temple. 480 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,360 Ezra the scribe gathered a few thousand Jews in Babylonia, all 481 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,280 types of people. Some of them were great Torah 482 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,000 scholars, God fearing individuals, and also men who 483 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,960 had foreign wives, people who regularly violated the Sabbath, 484 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,520 and those who had no Torah knowledge whatsoever. 485 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,400 These people work together and prepare the land for settlement 486 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000 until it was eventually filled with its children. 487 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,920 We too says that it's Eve. This is the whole of a teal, 488 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,640 right? We must awaken to the sound of 489 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,040 God's desire, which resonates from one end of the earth to the 490 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,320 other, et cetera, et cetera. In other words, we've, you know, 491 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,800 we've, we've been through this before. 492 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000 It's not a new idea. That's number one. 493 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Number two, I would I would also point out, I mean, he in the 2nd 494 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,120 chapter talks about also the fact that the leaders can be 495 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,280 not, you know, can be sinners. We know that from Omri. 496 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,760 We know that from Yerevan the second and so many other 497 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,320 examples. Someone who? 498 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,920 Huh? Yeah, Menasha was probably the 499 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,040 worst, you know, 55. Years, right, right, right. 500 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,360 And and all these people had certain, you know, situations 501 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:31,120 where Hashem helped them and Hashem brought salvation to the 502 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,800 Jewish people. And one of my favorite examples 503 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,400 is the whole story. Wasn't so long ago we read the 504 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Haftorah of Parsha Tasri and Mitsorah where the four lepers, 505 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,200 right with the whole story with Elisha. 506 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,680 And then there was a famine. And he said tomorrow they'll be 507 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,040 enough grain that it'll be the prices will drop drastically. 508 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,680 And and who is the one who actually discovered all that 509 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,240 grain in the in the camp of Aram that was, you know, fighting 510 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,960 against us? It was the four lepers. 511 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,200 And who were the four lepers? It was Gekhazi and his three 512 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,200 sons. Gekhazi. 513 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,880 He was considered a rush. He's one of the people doesn't 514 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,480 have a Heinleich and Olamba, but Hashem sometimes brings Ghula 515 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560 through those who are capable and willing and able at the 516 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,840 time. Hashem doesn't look at a 517 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520 person's, you know, sitkus necessarily when he wants to 518 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,120 redeem the Jewish people. When the time comes, it's it's 519 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,800 time and Hashem will do it. However, however it's possible. 520 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,440 So that's, that's that I, I don't know if you want to get 521 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,440 into the whole question of why you know, that's, that's the, if 522 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,160 it's possible. Clearly it's possible. 523 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,360 It's happened so many times in history that redemption can come 524 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:40,120 through secular or even anti religious shoes. 525 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960 We can get into the right? If you have thoughts about the 526 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400 why, we'd love to hear. Yeah, so I, I don't know if you 527 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,120 remember chapter 6, but chapter 6 is like the most beautiful 528 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,560 chapter of the whole book where he gives 10 explanations from 529 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,400 various different acronium where he explains why Hashem would do 530 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,560 it this way. But the most important part of 531 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,880 Chapter 6 is the introduction where he basically says to the 532 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,640 reader, what hutzpah to even ask such a question. 533 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360 What hutzpah like again, like we just said, the native quote, 534 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,160 Lomax, you're going to tell me I don't believe this is the gula 535 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 because it's not happening the way I thought it should happen. 536 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,840 We have to look at is the facts, the facts, and hopefully we'll 537 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,160 get that a little later. The facts are that there's no 538 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,640 question that we are in very deep into the the gula process. 539 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,160 But to ask and to deny it because it doesn't fit our way 540 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,480 of thinking well, we expected our expectations is like such 541 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,080 unbelievable hotspot. But then he goes on to say that 542 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,080 nonetheless, people are curious and people want to know and, 543 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,800 but, but he says, he says, really, you could skip this 544 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,520 chapter because this is really not necessary to to for the main 545 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280 point of the book, which is to prove that, as it says on the 546 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,200 cover, can the modern state of Israel be the beginning of 547 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,320 redemption? The answer is, it certainly can 548 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,480 based on sources. Why would Hashem do it this way 549 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320 as opposed to another way? That's that's a, that's a 550 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,960 theological question that we really shouldn't be asking 551 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,720 against God. But nonetheless, since you know, 552 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,040 many Gadolin throughout the generations have given answers. 553 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,480 So he he shares a few now there, there are 10 answers here. 554 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,960 I'm certainly not going to go through them all. 555 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,960 I'll just pick you really like pick one that you. 556 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Really like two or three quick. I'll, I'll do it quickly. 557 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,240 But first of all, it's really what we said before that 558 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,680 sometimes Hashem at a time of trouble, Hashem will redeem the 559 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Jewish people with whoever is available at the time. 560 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,640 By the way, the first 3 answers are given by the cite Eliezer. 561 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,360 So the cite Eliezer, you know, the Ezer Waldenberg was no, you 562 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,240 know, keep us through God wearing the Jew. 563 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,080 He was not America's robnik. He lived in Maisha and he was 564 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,440 one of the biggest postgame of of the previous generation and 565 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,400 he has a beautiful Chuvo all about there. 566 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,160 It's Israel the not the Israel issues and like the first answer 567 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,120 he gives is we find especially the story of Eurovam. 568 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,400 The second, the second Eurovam who there was a terrible Jews 569 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,640 were in terrible trouble and Hashem, it says explicitly 570 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,480 Hashem save them through Eurovam. 571 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,640 And then the, the, the Sicilia goes to say that it's very 572 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,640 possible that after the Holocaust, the Jews desperately 573 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,160 needed salvation. And Hashem said, I love my 574 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,400 people and I'm going to save them. 575 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Now let me look around to see who's, who's capable of doing 576 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720 this, who's capable of, you know, establishing a state. 577 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,720 And he looks in the religious sector cause of course he'd 578 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400 rather do it through religious Jews. 579 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,240 But there's no one there. There's no one even, you know, 580 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,040 even close because they've been, you know, staying far away ever 581 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,800 since, you know, Herzl and the irreligious got involved. 582 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,360 So it's like, OK, who's available right now? 583 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880 It's the secular Jews. I'm going to do it through them. 584 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,840 I think one of my favourite answers, also given by the Sis 585 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Eliezer, is that he did it that way to make sure we understand 586 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,600 that it's a miracle. We understand that it's Hashem 587 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920 bringing about the redemption. I know it sounds. 588 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600 It's flipping it on its head. It's flipping it on its head. 589 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Flipping it on its head because of follows. 590 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Because let's say that it would have been done through totally 591 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,480 religious means, like all the Gadolin would have said. 592 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,080 Let's all everyone should come back there and see, Sir. 593 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,840 Oh, we should. No one would necessarily have 594 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080 thought that this is Hashem bringing about the redemption. 595 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,560 Maybe they'd say, you know, from Jews always knew that Eritrea is 596 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,600 where the Jewish people belong, is where we can reach our 597 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 fullest potential. And they want us to come back to 598 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,800 Eritrea, not not related to any kind of redemption. 599 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,560 And then no one would have thought would have seen it as as 600 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,400 abnormal. But now that secular Jews who 601 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000 have almost totally lost, especially Herzl, he literally 602 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,840 was the most assimilated person you can imagine. 603 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,480 And those type of people all of a sudden are going to become 604 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,840 excited about this idea to rebuild a Jewish state in the 605 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520 whole in inheritance Israel, and not for religious reasons at 606 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,280 all. I mean, that just shows that it 607 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560 obviously came from Hashem. Who else? 608 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,320 How else can you explain why a secular Jew would want to do 609 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,040 that? He would want to just, you know, 610 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,400 live it up and have a good time and forget about Judaism. 611 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400 So there's those and many other many other answers. 612 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,800 I'll, I'll, I'll say it this way. 613 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720 Whoever wants to you should read the book and it's. 614 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,040 There are eight other beautiful answers that are given here. 615 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,280 Yeah, I mean, I think it it's, I think we can look at the famous 616 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,160 idea that that Mashiach could come riding a chariot from the 617 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,160 heavens or riding on a donkey. And this could be potentially 618 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,800 like the the birth pangs of Mashiach happened through this 619 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,280 process. But I actually want to get into, 620 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,560 if you don't mind the the anti Zionist argument from the 621 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400 Kharedim, let's say, who oppose Zionism. 622 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,160 And they they're not just it's not just about, you know, the 623 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,720 them opposing, you know, secular Jews who built the land, But 624 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,800 they're they're actually relying on sources that they feel are 625 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,720 like, for example, the three oaths and and I got like the 626 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,120 bedtime industrial come from the heavens. 627 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,800 All these ideas that they believe in. 628 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400 How do you address those kind of questions that they have? 629 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,480 Most, most of the sources, I, I put it this, I think they, they 630 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,880 choose certain sources and everyone know, like you said, 631 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600 the three oaths and there's the, you have the Gamara, the not 632 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,800 even Gamara, the, the Rashi and Tosa that say that it's going to 633 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,800 come from the heavens, all those kind of things. 634 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:35,120 They focus on a few sources that seem to indicate, you know, that 635 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,639 it can't happen any other way but. 636 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,920 What it's selective? Selective, it's selective. 637 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,560 It's also it's like, you know, the whole thing with the three 638 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,440 oaths was barely came up before the Sama Rebbe. 639 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960 I mean, he's the one who, you know, really, really made it 640 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,520 popular, so to say. And I mean, the answers to it 641 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,440 are so much better than the question, you know? 642 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,400 Do you know the? Well, I, I think, I think the 643 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520 third oath is the easiest one. It's so obvious that the nations 644 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480 will oppress us so much. And then so like, that's it. 645 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,800 They broke they broke their deal that we. 646 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,800 Clearly that happened so. You know, right, Right. 647 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,200 No. So I don't know if you know, Rev 648 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,080 Avinir put it out. You know, Rev Vinir, Rev 649 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,000 Shalvir, of course. So he put out a pamphlet called 650 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,320 Shaloya Lubahoma, which is the first in the main, the main oath 651 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,440 that the Sotmer quote. And he has 13 answers to it. 652 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,400 And each answer is based on sources and he goes into detail 653 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,160 to explain them all. I think you, you, you pointed 654 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,280 out that one, that answer, but the real answer is that Rashi 655 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,840 says very clearly, Yahad Biyarhazaka, that the, the 656 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,360 definition of Bahoma is that we're going to go up forcibly 657 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,080 and conquer the land. No one went up forcibly to 658 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,880 conquer the land. We got permission from first the 659 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,320 British Mandate, who was in control of the land at the time. 660 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,880 Then we got permission from the League of Nations, right, 'cause 661 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,800 the League of Nations ratified the Balfour Declaration into, 662 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,440 into official international law. I mean, it was, it's very nice 663 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,400 that the British said that. But, you know, when the League 664 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,720 of Nations was established in 1920, they had the big 665 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,040 conference in San Remo. They said, yes, we agree. 666 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,040 That's, you know, this is gonna be the, a Jewish state. 667 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,760 And then, of course, in the 1947, you know, vote in the, in 668 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,200 the United Nations, which took over for the League of Nations 669 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,680 right in in every one of these cases, they gave us permission. 670 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,680 They gave it to us. The nations of the world gave it 671 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,440 to us. You know, there's a famous 672 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,080 statement of Rep Salvage who says, you know, I don't believe. 673 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,600 I believe that. There is almost nothing you can 674 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:43,240 point to that the United Nations has done significantly besides 675 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,480 the recognition of, you know, the state of Israel. 676 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,720 And he says, and he says he believes that that's the whole 677 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,640 purpose of its creation was for it to give the Jewish people, 678 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,800 the land of Israel back after so many years. 679 00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:00,560 And, you know, that's not what the Gemara was against. 680 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,400 The Gemara was against in the middle of let's say in in the 681 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560 1200s, we're sick of anti-Semitism. 682 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960 So all the Jews get together and say let's let's rent or buy 683 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,360 boats and let's buy, you know, swords and bows and arrows and 684 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,520 we're going to go and we're going to take over the land of 685 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,080 Israel. That was probably not not 686 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,800 allowed according to this Gemara, right? 687 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,720 But we didn't do that now after the fact. 688 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,400 That we received it, then the fighting. 689 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520 We received it and then they'd start attacking us and we were 690 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,360 that's self-defense. And you know what I realized 691 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,720 just the other day, I realized this. 692 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,640 We said before how there's so many parallels between the 693 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,640 Second Temple, Ezra, etcetera, and what's happening today that 694 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,320 also, you know, Cyrus gave them permission to come back to Eretz 695 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,960 Israel and then he, he rescinded it, but it was too late. 696 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,080 We didn't say, oh, they didn't allow us anymore. 697 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920 We have to go back to Bavel. No, they said we're here 698 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,480 already. We're ready. 699 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,560 In the middle of the start is we started building the temple. 700 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,800 All of that's it. You can't you can't take it 701 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,760 back. And then we started right there. 702 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960 The Tanakh says that they were with one hand, you know, 703 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200 building and the other hand having a sword in their hand to 704 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,520 protect. I mean, that's just the nature 705 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,760 of the beast. That's the way it works. 706 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120 The nations of the world, for some reason, they had this 707 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,480 divine inspiration to allow us to have our land back and then 708 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,200 they retracted it. But that's maybe God's, you 709 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,600 know, God's plan and he wants us to sacrifice for it. 710 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,160 Who knows why? But that's that doesn't mean we 711 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560 can't do it. Even even the first conquest of 712 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,400 the land of the Yoshio bin Noon, like we had a whole generation 713 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,320 before who were not, they were kind of regretting, you know, 714 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,360 leaving Egypt and not wanting to go in. 715 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,720 And God, right, he, he, he wants them to have faith and fight, 716 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,240 but it's not like God is fighting the battles for them. 717 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,760 He said there's no miracle that, you know, there's no temple 718 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,280 falling from the heavens. They actually had to fight. 719 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,120 They had to scout the terrain, you know, of, of Yuriko and see 720 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,640 like how they could like it's they're using, you know, 721 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,720 military strategy. It wasn't just walking in there 722 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,840 and God's going to do all the work. 723 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,120 All right, all right. So. 724 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200 So why do we think it's going to be different in the end of days? 725 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,680 I mean, really, we all know the famous Gemara in Sanhedrin. 726 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,400 Correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's Sadie bad. 727 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,000 It might be it's somewhere in the Saudis there. 728 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,520 OK, where the Gemara says that brings a stereo between the 729 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,120 same, actually within the same pasukuni shayo, the parekh 730 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,840 parekh samak B ITA akhishena, right? 731 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,520 The parekh ends with B ITA akhishena in it's time, I will 732 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,320 hasten it. And the Gemara views that as a 733 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,520 internal contradiction. Hashem, we're talking about 734 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,080 Google, all right. He says B ITA in it's time, I 735 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,080 will hasten it. Those are two different things. 736 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,200 In it's time means it's a set time, I will hasten it means 737 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,120 I'll bring it earlier. And then the Gemara asks the 738 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,280 same question about that, that that mashiach will come like the 739 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,760 clouds of heaven. And on the other hand, it'll be, 740 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,640 it'll come riding on a donkey, right? 741 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,000 A neither a poor man riding on a donkey, which you know, clouds 742 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,480 of heaven are fast, are quick and and the riding a donkey is 743 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480 very slow. So the Gemara answers both of 744 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880 those contradictions with the same answer. 745 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,280 Zahu Akrishana, if we deserve it, it'll come quicker. 746 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,760 Then it'll be in its time. And that's what we said before 747 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,360 also, you know, at the end of the 400 years, whenever that 400 748 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520 years started, you know, it was time for us to be redeemed. 749 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,120 We were redeemed whether we deserved it or not, if we don't 750 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,560 deserve it. So it's going to be painful and 751 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,040 it's going to be a slow process. And the same thing happened the 752 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,360 second temple in the same thing is happening now. 753 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,640 Especially when you would consider that the, as you say, 754 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,120 why is now in its time? Well, first of all, because 755 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,640 obviously things are just happening. 756 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,520 That shows that obviously this is God's time. 757 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,240 But besides the fact history is running out, the famous Gemara, 758 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,360 that the world as we know it will exist for 6000 years, 759 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,440 People mistakenly think that that means that in the year 760 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,880 5999, Meshiach's going to come. That's BE TA, that's his time. 761 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,320 That can't possibly be because it has to be a whole tufa, a 762 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,320 whole era of Mashiach, A messianic era where all the 763 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520 prophecies are going to come true. 764 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,840 Because don't forget the Gemara thinking Bracho says that that 765 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,000 all the prophecies are all about you, Mashiach. 766 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600 But Olomaba, I am Laura Tazulati Leukem, right? 767 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,400 No one has ever seen, you know, the prophets don't even talk 768 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,160 about Olomaba. That's like beyond, we don't 769 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,320 even, we can't even describe it. But all the prophecies, the good 770 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,520 prophecies are about the, the, the era of Mashiach. 771 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,920 That means there's got to be a significant amount of time 772 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,320 beforehand that we're going to have a messianic king and 773 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,840 there's going to be World Peace, Loya Segoeil, Goycherev, Loya 774 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,600 Muduod Milhama. So it just makes sense that, you 775 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,520 know, 250 years approximately before, you know, the end of 776 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,080 time, things started moving because that's the bita, that's 777 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,760 it's time. So getting back to our question, 778 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,600 there's no question that yes, gula can happen miraculously, 779 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,840 but I think we'd have to be quite foolish to believe that 780 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640 really that's the way it's gonna happen, unfortunately. 781 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,160 Look though, we'll look at the, the standing of world jewelry 782 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,280 today. We're so far from Tora mitzvot 783 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,920 and we're still so far from Akhtus and so many other things 784 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,480 that Hashem has to redeem us, and he will, because the Itai 785 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,560 has come, but that it's gonna be miraculous. 786 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,480 It's very hard to believe there. Also also, it's how you define 787 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,800 what a miracle is, because I would say even the miracles that 788 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,720 always occurred were always happening through nature. 789 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:31,280 You know, like the man, the man growing except for me trying. 790 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,120 But even that there are people who can interpret that to be 791 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,760 through the like nothing. The unicorns weren't flying from 792 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,360 the heavens and and things weren't happening. 793 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,960 It's all within the natural order of things and it's even 794 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,200 the splitting of you. You have documentaries on The 795 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,240 History Channel explaining how these things could happen in the 796 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,480 natural manner. It's not so insane to say, you 797 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,840 know, like these. It is, I would say like the Iron 798 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,520 Dome is miraculous. You know, like to me, like the, 799 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,800 the, it's, it's so obvious. But I actually wanted to bring 800 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,480 up another thing. I think one of the arguments you 801 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,960 hear from people is that, you know, OK, you can, you can make 802 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,480 the, we can make the case that Hanukkah is a holiday that, you 803 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,200 know, the, the Hashmana aim didn't accept the reality of 804 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,000 losing sovereignty and they fought back and they took back 805 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,240 the land. But they would argue, the 806 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,560 opponents would argue and say, well, there's still, you know, 807 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,240 Sanhedrin and they're still like, there's a, there's a Navi, 808 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,280 whatever. They can make an excuse. 809 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,080 But what about Rabi Akiva? Rabi Akiva is already Barkholo 810 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,440 rebel. He ended up being wrong about 811 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,560 him, but barn occupiers were ruling the land and he decided 812 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,480 that we're going to fight and we're going to take it back. 813 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,080 What on what authority? Who's where's the Navi at the 814 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600 time? So the fact is, and he ended up 815 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,840 being wrong about our cocoa. But the point is, is that there 816 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640 is a precedent for this even from that religious standpoint 817 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,800 that we don't need to wait for a new Navid to come and tell us to 818 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,320 fulfill a prophecy that Moshe already gave us the prophecy. 819 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,000 I don't need a new prophet, right? 820 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,240 Right, right, right. So so I, I don't know if we're 821 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,560 getting into that question now if you want me to, but but 822 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,960 that's that is so I'll tell you 33 ideas. 823 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,880 Number 1 is a story. Have you ever heard of a Rav 824 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,120 Benny Eisner? You ever heard of a Betty Eisner 825 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,920 in all yours? OK, He was a Rebbe in BMT, you 826 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,360 know, back when that was one of the famous, one of the first the 827 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,080 American yeshivot. He was my Rebbe and he was many 828 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,040 people's Rebbies. And he was really, really very 829 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,080 influential. He was a student of RT who to 830 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,320 cook. So anyway, the story goes like 831 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,800 this. He was very friendly with my 832 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,920 wife's family. So when my brother-in-law got 833 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,880 married, he came in from Israel to for the for the wedding. 834 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,960 So it was the Shabbos ofraf, and we're diving in the shul that 835 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,200 my, my, my inlaws went to. And in that shul they say the 836 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,680 prayer for MIDI na Israel, but they skip the words Rashid 837 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,200 Smihagu Latino. They say, you know, I'm sorry. 838 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,400 So we go, hello, but Rekhet Midihad Israel, I get a letter 839 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,960 back. They don't say Rashid Smihagu 840 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,440 Latino. So Benny Eisner is not the type 841 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,480 to just be silent when he sees something that he doesn't agree 842 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,080 with. So he waved. 843 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480 Thank God, he waited till after davening. 844 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960 He went over to the rabbi and the rabbi is a very famous 845 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,080 rabbi. I won't say who it is. 846 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,760 He said to rabbi, I don't understand why don't why doesn't 847 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,560 Joshua say Rasheed Smihad do Latino? 848 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,120 So the rabbi said we don't have profits today to tell us that 849 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,000 this is the the beginning of the redemption without skipping a 850 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,360 beat of Benny, Eisner said, last I checked, Yeshayo Yermi, Yahoo, 851 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,600 Yezkel, Amos, Hoshea, blah, blah, blah, blah, we're all 852 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,760 naveen. They already told us what it's 853 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,000 going to be like and all their words are coming to to to 854 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,360 fruition in our own days. Why do we need a Navi today to 855 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,000 tell us what the naveen already told us? 856 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,280 They already told us it's partial. 857 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,800 Exactly. That's, that's number one. 858 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,920 And, and, and it's, it's extremely important because I, I 859 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,840 really believe it's, it's more of a, it's an excuse. 860 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,240 It's like, oh, we don't have anything in today where who says 861 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,400 we need a nuvi? Where does it ever say we're 862 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160 certainly going to need a nuvi for certain things like, you 863 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,720 know, how to build a maiden Mcdosh? 864 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,720 Exactly. OK, we're not talking about, 865 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,680 we're talking about the Ithalta, the Gula, the beginning of the 866 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,720 process. There's no question. 867 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,560 You know, I never counted, but I once read somewhere there's 868 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,560 close to 40 prophecies about the in gathering of the Exiles. 869 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,640 If anybody could look at what's happening today in terms of 870 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,960 Kibbutz Galiot and not understand that we are 871 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,360 witnessing Kibbutz Galiot and there's something seriously, 872 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,080 seriously problematic. They're just simply so blinded 873 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,240 by their opposition and by their one or two Gamaras again that 874 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,000 say, you know, we cannot let it come back forcibly. 875 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,120 And therefore, it can't possibly be that this is the real 876 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,600 redemption because we did it against, you know, God's will. 877 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,800 OK, So what are you gonna do about the facts that are on the 878 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880 ground, the things that are happening that are clearly 879 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:05,280 fulfillments of prophecy? I mean, just a few numbers. 880 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160 I mean, keep what's just in terms of keep what's there. 881 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,280 There's so many other issues, but I, this is the one I really 882 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,080 like talking about most because it's the one that's most 883 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,080 undeniable In we talked about the Balfour Declaration, right? 884 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,200 So there's a statistic that I read that at the time of the 885 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,920 Balfour Declaration there was 56,000 Jews in Israel. 886 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,720 By the way, if you go back to late 1800s when the whole thing 887 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,400 just started, I would assume that means there were maybe 888 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,800 10,000 Jews in Israel, maybe 56,000 in 1917 when the Balfour 889 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,200 Declaration happened. And then by 48 there was already 890 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,120 600,000. By 671967 there were two and a 891 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,640 half million. Today we're at 7.5 million Jews 892 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,120 living in Eric Israel. I mean, that's like, in my 893 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840 opinion, that's like end of discussion. 894 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,960 There's nothing more to talk about. 895 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,520 How can you deny that this is kibbutzgalia? 896 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,120 What else could it possibly be? Give me some other explanation. 897 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,920 Are we're going to be gathered and we're going to be kicked out 898 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,040 again? Doesn't say anywhere in the FEMA 899 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,080 that's going to ever happen. Never do we find a prophecy that 900 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,920 half the Jewish people are going to come back to Israel. 901 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,000 They're going to be destroyed again. 902 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,800 They're going to be. An excellent point. 903 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800 That's an. Excellent point. 904 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that seems. Significant enough that if it 905 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,360 were to actually be there would be some sort of prophecy to to 906 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,080 to point to that because that that that's a very significant, 907 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,680 you know, 7.5 million Jews in Israel, you know out and back in 908 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,680 like it that that just it's it's. 909 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,640 Way too many. I always give a following. 910 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,920 Mushal. OK, this is mine. 911 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,840 It's not. It's not in the book. 912 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,160 But I really hope by this I'm gonna describe for you an 913 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,360 animal. OK? 914 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,720 And I want you at the end to tell me what animal I'm 915 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,120 describing. It's extremely large, weighing 916 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,800 several tons. It has a very rough Gray, 917 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,520 grayish color skin. It has four legs that are like 918 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,160 tree trunks. Each one it has a long nose that 919 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,400 it uses to pick things up etcetera, etcetera, and it has 920 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,880 small little ears. What did I just describe? 921 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,920 An. Elephant. 922 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,560 Well, the elephant doesn't have small ears. 923 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:20,720 It doesn't answer, you're right. I don't know. 924 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,160 Use your your intuition. It's an elephant. 925 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,480 It might be a deformed elephant, but to call it anything but an 926 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,040 elephant because it has one 5% of it is not elephant. 927 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,480 Like shows that you're, you're being ridiculous. 928 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,720 Like let's say those ears are very, very similar to monkey 929 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:42,960 ears. And then someone would say 930 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,640 that's a monkey. Why 'cause 5% of it is, is 931 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,040 monkey ears. That's the most ridiculous thing 932 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,880 ever. So when you look at the 933 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,120 prophecies, when you look at the prophets, when you look at the 934 00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,440 signs of redemption that have come true, it is, it is 95% of 935 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,880 it. It's like the main aspects of 936 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,920 ghulah have already come to fruition. 937 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560 I agree. It's a little bit of a strange, 938 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,400 a little bit of a deformed elephant, because why did it 939 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,360 have my way of secular Jews? Why is it not miraculous? 940 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,000 Why, you know, a million different questions, but that's 941 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,240 such a small amount when you talk about the big picture of 942 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,480 the fulfillment of so many different prophecies. 943 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,520 We didn't get into the fact that every Tisarel is rejuvenated 944 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,440 with Jabara Saudi. Imagine Salihad on the bed. 945 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,680 Rabi Alva, right? Ain't look like Kate Smegulemi's 946 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,160 there. There's no clearer sign of the 947 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,320 end than when Erezischal starts giving forth his fruits once 948 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,960 again, right? I mean, the clearest signs of 949 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,640 Gulen, the nearest clearest 1. So like, how could you deny all 950 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,880 that? And then not I'll I'll give you 951 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,560 another, I'll give you another examples because it just 952 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520 happened, right? We just, we just had Yomi 953 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,480 Ushalayim. So I I give this year on Yomi 954 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,960 Ushalim that happened to have given it last week like 4 times 955 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,600 in different, different institutions where I where I 956 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,640 show the Sama Rebbe what he wrote about the six day war, 957 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:04,880 right? He wrote a whole book about it 958 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960 and it was all Masa SATA and there was no miracles According 959 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,320 to him, you know, Kidarco Bakodesh. 960 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,280 And then there was another safer of Menachem and Lukash or 961 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,320 Hatkufa Hagdola, the great era that came out also right after 962 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,080 the six day war where he says the exact opposite. 963 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,440 There's so many miracles, etcetera. 964 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,760 Excuse me. So I, I gave that to you. 965 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,960 I didn't even realize that someone recorded it and put it 966 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,280 up on Wyutora. The next day I get a, I get a, 967 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,920 an e-mail from this guy who clearly is in the summer camp 968 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,320 and he gives me this whole explanation about how come there 969 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680 was not a single, no miracles whatsoever. 970 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,760 Everyone knew that Israel was going to win, win the war in 67. 971 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,360 There was nothing, absolutely nothing and whatever went on and 972 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,480 on and on and on. OK. 973 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000 And honestly, I was, it was, it was painful. 974 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,440 It, it really hurt me because he was giving, he was really 975 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,840 bringing proofs. He said, you know, the, it 976 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,640 wasn't just, you know, made-up stuff. 977 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,440 It was the, you know, Egypt knew that it wasn't going to win. 978 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,320 They were just they were just flexing their muscles. 979 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,600 They weren't really going to attack. 980 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,280 And Israel attacked like all these things. 981 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,640 OK. So I turned to one of my Rabaim 982 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,120 who was here in the Six Day War. And I remembered that and and I 983 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,000 said to him, what what do I, how do you answer this? 984 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,320 And he said something so beautiful. 985 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:24,760 He said the very nature of a nistar is that it depends on a 986 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,640 muna. It's based on a muna. 987 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,560 You have to have a belief, you have to believe it. 988 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,560 It's not provable. You can't prove it either way. 989 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,440 So and then he said, but don't worry, you know, you're 990 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,040 certainly in the right because all of the gadolin, he wrote in 991 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,160 big letters all. And by the way, he's very, he's 992 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,200 more on the haredi side, but he's also somewhat, you know, 993 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,120 Zionist. He said all of the Gadolin of 994 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960 the generation here that were here in Eretz he saw all the 995 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,280 time saw it as clear miracles from a Kurdish Baruchu. 996 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,440 So it's well, I'm bringing this up because those who it goes 997 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,400 against their their philosophy, they will do anything in the 998 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,680 world to to explain things in other ways in order to deny 999 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,600 Hashem has to deny Hashem's miracles and deny the 1000 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,040 fulfillment of so many of the different of the different 1001 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,120 prophecies that are being fulfilled in our very in our 1002 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,000 very days. So it's it's illogical. 1003 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000 In my humble opinion, it's illogical. 1004 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,960 It's the same thing. See what you want to see? 1005 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560 Yeah, see what you want to see. It's the it's the same thing 1006 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,600 that, you know, they do with like they lean on an obscure 1007 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,080 agada over clear explicit prophecy in Tanakh. 1008 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,320 And the Agada could be interpreted many ways aside from 1009 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,200 the fact that agador, we have a long tradition that agadora are 1010 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,040 not literal things that we have to, you know, it's, it's, it's, 1011 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,160 it's it. There's many reasons we can get 1012 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,640 into over there, but that's not the point. 1013 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,080 But I wanted to point out that, you know, much of the prophecies 1014 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,800 that we see are a call to action in the Torah where they says 1015 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,680 like if, if you if you do XYZ, if you fulfill the means, well 1016 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,160 then you will get this right. So why would it be any different 1017 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,320 with this like the the the redemption should also be a call 1018 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,440 to action. Hashem is telling us to come to 1019 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,080 the land again, right to we have to I'll take care of it. 1020 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,520 We have yes, exactly. We have to actually do the our 1021 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,320 part and then Hashem will be our partner. 1022 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,920 And I think that that's one of those things that our people 1023 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,360 don't pay attention to. On the on the point of not being 1024 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,480 able to see the miracles, it just reminded me I think. 1025 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,080 I don't have the I don't know the quote off the top of my 1026 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:33,440 head, but I know that says that that they did not believe that 1027 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,360 that it was not because of the miracles that they believed in 1028 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,680 Mushebenu because miracles a person can you know, you can, 1029 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,960 you can explain things away, right. 1030 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,200 So it's just when you were saying that it, it just came to 1031 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,600 my head that that in reality, people see what they want to 1032 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,440 see. And so if you're going to ground 1033 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,920 something on a miracle, a miracle is always can be 1034 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,160 disputed, right. Of course, if we're talking 1035 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,360 about like, like you would like like the example of a Unicorn 1036 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,880 flying around, of course. OK, the but, but in terms of 1037 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,160 miracles, in terms of the realistic way of being able to 1038 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,600 see God's hand in what is happening, right? 1039 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,160 And to see that things are beyond just, you know, a regular 1040 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,720 pattern, right? People see what they want to 1041 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:11,760 see. So it just, it just goes to to. 1042 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,600 I just wanted to support what you were saying with that. 1043 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880 Right, right. Just one thing I remembered is 1044 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,440 that the the very fact that Hazal have so much to say about 1045 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,960 these signs, they give us signs. If they didn't expect us to do 1046 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,800 anything with those signs, why would they tell it to us? 1047 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,360 Like what's so, so irrelevant? You know this is going to happen 1048 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,880 and therefore, you know this is going to happen before Mashiach, 1049 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,440 right? So what obviously Hazal are 1050 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,400 telling us this so that we should know. 1051 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,880 If we see that, we should, like you said, spring into action and 1052 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,800 realize that the time has now come and like the best answer, 1053 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,680 By the way, the best best best answer to the Shalo Shavuot is 1054 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,360 what's the passok, the three time repeated passok in 1055 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,840 Shirashirim that those 3 oaths is based on, right? 1056 00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,480 Hizhbati of trem Binotji rushalayim Imtahiru. 1057 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:10,560 One second I skip the part I have made you swear by the by 1058 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,920 the deer in the Hinds of the field Imtahiru that you will not 1059 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,120 awaken the Imtahuuru you will not also awaken is another way 1060 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,760 of saying awaken. ETA Ahava, the love. 1061 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,000 You're not allowed to awaken the love before it's time. 1062 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,600 I check techpots until it desires. 1063 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,640 Meaning everyone agrees that there's going to be an end to 1064 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,240 that isser of, you know, of, of getting involved in trying to 1065 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,400 bring the Gula. And that is the time of tekpats. 1066 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,920 What Hashem wants it. So there are people out there 1067 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,680 who are just waiting for Hashem to officially, you know, call 1068 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040 them on the phone and say, OK, it is officially time now It's 1069 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,320 tekpat now I want it. So now you can get up. 1070 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,040 What do you think has been happening in the last 150 years? 1071 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,040 Who, who else has been bringing the Jewish people back to the 1072 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,080 land? Who else has been allowing the 1073 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:03,320 land to flourish after so many Millennium of desolation, right? 1074 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,040 It's the famous muscle of the guy drowning, right? 1075 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,840 And he prays to God to save him and the boat passes by, right? 1076 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,440 And he says, no, no, God's gonna save me. 1077 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,320 And in a helicopter, right? And he dies, he goes up to 1078 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,120 Hashem and he says, why didn't you save me? 1079 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,160 He said, who do you think sent the boat in the in the 1080 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,720 helicopter? You know, Hashem doesn't do 1081 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,720 things like that. If you're waiting for Hashem to 1082 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,360 knock on your door and or call you and say it's time, then 1083 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,600 you're gonna be waiting a long time. 1084 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,160 That's what Hashem has been doing. 1085 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,560 The Acha tech parts already happened, just think otherwise 1086 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120 is absolutely ridiculous. Beautiful. 1087 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,680 Well said. Do we have time for so? 1088 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,640 So we wanted to get into the contention that the Zionists are 1089 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,280 guilty of causing thousands of Jews to abandon their faith. 1090 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,760 So how can we call this a state of redemption to the point where 1091 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240 many say Hallel over the founding of the state? 1092 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,000 This question really gets to me also like this is a question 1093 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,600 that that that that's hard to it's, it's hard to discuss in a 1094 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800 way, it's tough. Right. 1095 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,480 It is tough. It is tough there. 1096 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,480 There's no one that's gonna that's gonna deny that some 1097 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,280 Zionist leaders did some terrible things. 1098 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,440 No one's gonna deny that. But first of all, what he says 1099 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,920 here in the book is and, and very correctly is, it's not 1100 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,560 Zionism is not the cause of Jews going off the Derek. 1101 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,120 It was the Enlightenment that happened way before Zionism. 1102 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,000 These Jews were already enlightened, were already 1103 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,000 secularized, and if anything, Zionism kept them in the fold, 1104 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,640 kept them somewhat Jewish. How many, how many people went 1105 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,040 to The Who didn't get involved in Zionism just you know, or 1106 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,280 forgotten? They're not part of the Jewish 1107 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,800 people anymore. They're descendants are all non 1108 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,960 Jews. These people, if anything, got 1109 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,640 involved in Zionism and that saved them. 1110 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,800 Now that doesn't change the fact that some of them were so anti 1111 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,440 religious that they wanted to make everyone else anti not 1112 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,480 religious. And then when the Tamanim came 1113 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,520 over to to Israel, they cut off their pay oath and there's no 1114 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,440 question about it. And that's a terrible, terrible 1115 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,400 thing. But if you really think about 1116 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,640 it, whose fault is that? Whose fault is that? 1117 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,720 Obviously it's the people who did it, but isn't it Also, can't 1118 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:22,160 we say that the religious community has to really be 1119 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,520 honest about itself? And they say that we can't just 1120 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:31,920 wash our hands and say because there were many Gadolin before 1121 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,160 Zionism that called for a return to Eretz Israel and everyone 1122 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,120 ignored it. Most religious Jews totally 1123 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,320 ignored it. Had we been in power, had 1124 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,280 hundreds of thousands, if not, you know, more Jews come, 1125 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,960 religious Jews come to Eretz Israel. 1126 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,560 So we would have been in charge. It's the same question as today. 1127 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,280 You have all the complaints you want about the the government of 1128 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,720 Israel. You know, I'm not gonna get into 1129 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,560 the whole army thing. But like, let's say you're 1130 00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,080 against the fact that they're forcing the Lum de Torre to, to 1131 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,720 go into the army. So therefore, what are you gonna 1132 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,240 do with the answer? Stay in Khotzlarz if you really 1133 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,320 believe that's such an important thing. 1134 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:10,760 So come to our answer, Israel, increase the number of religious 1135 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,760 Jews here and therefore vote, vote in a government that will, 1136 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640 you know, will do things the way you think things should be done. 1137 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,880 So. How did the religious come at 1138 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,560 the time in large numbers this those things never would have 1139 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,040 happened. That's a fantastic point. 1140 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,560 You can't negate. You can't, you can't negate the 1141 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,400 idea of the state of Israel and then complain that the state of 1142 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,080 Israel is lacking in religiosity. 1143 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,040 It's, it's just, it's a ridiculous point. 1144 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,720 It's like, you know, we don't let, we don't want a religious 1145 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,200 presence in this state of Israel. 1146 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,520 How can there be a state of Israel when there's no religious 1147 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,400 presence? It's like you're you're causing 1148 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,720 your own. Playing both sides of there. 1149 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,280 Exactly they do. That right, so, so that's a 1150 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,320 that's a very important point. We're talking about this and and 1151 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,280 in terms of, you know, how can we say hollow? 1152 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,240 There's so much bad. It's true. 1153 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,120 There's a lot of bad, but I don't know anybody who, when he 1154 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,920 says hollow on Yomatsmoud or Yomi Urshalayim, is thinking 1155 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,200 about, thank you Hashem, that the secular Zionists cut off the 1156 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,240 payout of the Tamani. No, we're thinking Hashem that 1157 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320 we have our own country. We're thinking Hashem that it's 1158 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,480 been a, you know, a, a haven for Jews throughout the world, that 1159 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,800 we ourselves can, you know, serve you better here in 1160 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,560 Aritiza. One of my Sheeran that I give on 1161 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,760 Yomat's mood is called Simhashel mitzvah. 1162 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,520 But the real reason we're supposed that we are happy on 1163 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,720 Yomat's mood is because once again, we are able to fulfill 1164 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,640 first of all, the mitzvah of Yusuvaritz Israel, which was out 1165 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,120 of reach for thousands of years besides a small handful of Jews. 1166 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,600 Now millions can come back. And that mitzvah, it is one of 1167 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,800 the greatest mitzvah in the Torah, one of one of the seven 1168 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,080 that has, I'll say are equal to all the rest. 1169 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,440 I have a student who who went to Bar Ilan after learning in 1170 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,640 yeshiva and he, he was involved in trying to get different 1171 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,760 speakers to come and speak to the Heva there. 1172 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,240 So we got rid of Usherweis to speak there once you know where 1173 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,640 Usher Weis, Yes, yes, yes. Musher Weis is another one of 1174 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:12,520 the Gadolia Dorna, so he got him to speak there, and he started 1175 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,560 this year as follows. Today we are going to speak 1176 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,320 about the most important mitzvah in the Torah, the most, not one 1177 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,240 of the most important myths in the Torah. 1178 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,360 And the whole show was about Yushuvarati Sarah. 1179 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,160 That's Ravashi Weiss, who was a Hasidic Haredi rabbi. 1180 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,760 OK, we have the opportunity to fulfill the mitzvah of 1181 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,120 Yushuvarati Sarah and all of our mitzvah are not such a higher 1182 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,760 level when when kept in Eretz Israel. 1183 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,560 I mean, I have another book, another book that I wrote is 1184 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,920 called The Drop in the Ocean, 365 sources on the importance of 1185 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,160 living in Israel, a daily dose. It's called a daily dose of 1186 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,280 Eretz Israel. So I have a whole chapter about 1187 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,360 there's so many sources, about 30 sources on the fact that our 1188 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,360 mitzvah are meant to be kept in Eretz Israel. 1189 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,880 So every mitzvah that a Jew does in Eretz Israel is so much 1190 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,600 greater. So that's what I'm saying hollow 1191 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,800 for when I come to you know, when I say hollow on Yeoman 1192 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,680 smooth, it's not for the bad things. 1193 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,000 There's a time to mourn the bad and that's called Tish above. 1194 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,600 And there are other times, but there's also a time to say thank 1195 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,000 you. And he brings here a very 1196 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,040 beautiful idea that you know, when a when a person die, when a 1197 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,160 person's father dies and he was extremely rich and therefore 1198 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:25,400 with his death, you the, the son gets a tremendous Gurusha right 1199 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,040 inheritance. So the halacha says, the halacha 1200 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,160 says you have to say 2 Brahas, say Barotha and Ahmed because 1201 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,880 his father died and he's like Hatovami thief or a chef Yanu, 1202 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,520 depending on who, you know, what kind of who's getting benefit 1203 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:39,960 from the money that he's going to get. 1204 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,000 He said, well, how could that be? 1205 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,640 How could that be two things at the same time? 1206 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,880 And the answer is yes. That's, that's the nature of, 1207 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,720 of, of the world. There's happy things and there's 1208 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,680 good things and there's bad things. 1209 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,200 And we have to say, Diana, I meant I'm the bad and, and thank 1210 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,200 gosh, I'm for the good. So obviously we're thinking 1211 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,040 Hashem for the good when we're talking about the Saint Haala 1212 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,760 and Yeomat's vote and and Yeomi Rushai, knowing that there's bad 1213 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,440 and trying our best to try to fix it and do whatever we can to 1214 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,200 make things better. Yep, 100%. 1215 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:12,920 And regarding this is OK. So regarding the idea that most, 1216 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,480 most of the Gidolim or most of most of the, the, the, the, the, 1217 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,360 the rabbis oppose Zionism, right. 1218 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,480 And the fact that, you know, roof cook kind of has this image 1219 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,040 of being standing alone in this in, in the matter, which is, you 1220 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:34,480 know, it's, it's an argument that it's an argument that, that 1221 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,440 it's hard for people to, to get across that argument. 1222 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:45,800 What would you say for it? First of all, it's a very it. 1223 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,040 It's a very unprovable point to say that most gadolin are 1224 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,160 against it for many reasons. First of all, who has actually 1225 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,480 gotten up and counted the gadolin and said to get these 1226 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,880 amount of these gadolin say one way and the other gadolin say 1227 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,880 another way? First we have to know who is a 1228 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,520 gadol. Who are we including? 1229 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,240 But isn't that sort of subjective as well? 1230 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,000 Right. It's very subjective. 1231 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,480 So then it's very just really picking in. 1232 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,320 The whole idea, the whole idea of Akharira Bhimlatot is only in 1233 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,320 the Sanhedrin. You have a Sanhedrin of 70s 1234 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,040 sitting together and discussing an issue and then voting. 1235 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,400 So you have to go by the majority. 1236 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,040 But if you have camps that each one won't even look at the 1237 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,760 other, won't even, certainly won't discuss the issues with 1238 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,200 the other. So then you don't go by 1239 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,040 majority. There's no such thing as going 1240 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,560 by majority. You go by who's you're ready. 1241 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,360 By the way, is that what I like a lot about this safe area is 1242 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,920 that he says it's in the beginning. 1243 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,280 He's not trying to convince Khraitum to become Dhati Lumi. 1244 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,320 He's if anything, trying to show people in our world of that 1245 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,400 ilumi world, in the religious Zionist world, that we have a, 1246 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,800 a, a quite a leg to stand on. Don't feel, you know, don't feel 1247 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,680 you're rude. How do you say it? 1248 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,920 Don't, don't feel, you know, less hush over, you know, that 1249 01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,360 we have less of a, of a, of a of a leg to stand on than the other 1250 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,760 side. He shows through sources that we 1251 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,320 have just as much to to rely on. And we have Rabin, we have 1252 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,960 Gadolin who agreed with us and continue to agree with us. 1253 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,080 And it's not just Ruff Cook and Ruff Cook was not a loner at 1254 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,040 all. The book that I translated on 1255 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,880 his life. I mean, you see some, so many 1256 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,040 unbelievable Gadolin that were that agreed with him, that were 1257 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,320 on his side. You know, no one was on his 1258 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,600 level and no one was able to, you know, go as deep as he was. 1259 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,280 But you know, people still stayed with him and and and and 1260 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,240 went along with him. Can it also be, can it also be 1261 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:36,040 by the way, that some ghidolim might might privately agree, but 1262 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,120 because of the politics of the situation, can't really say it 1263 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,240 in a way A. 100% that's one of the, the points he makes that 1264 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,160 there are so many Gadolin who are, you know, like you said, 1265 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,120 like more like just sitting on the sidelines and they secretly 1266 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,640 harbour, you know, good feelings towards the religious Zionists 1267 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,920 and, and the whole, the whole, their whole philosophy. 1268 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,040 But they're not going to come out and say anything about it. 1269 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,480 I mean, one of the one of the great examples, First of all, 1270 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,400 Somos Al Manorvac is the biggest example because he was, you 1271 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,920 know, the Gadol adore in in the Haredi world. 1272 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:16,800 But he was very, very positive to religious Zionist, you know, 1273 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,920 philosophy. First of all, he himself learned 1274 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,120 by Ruf Cook. You know, there's a there's a 1275 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,800 story, there's actually two stories about him and Ruf Cook. 1276 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,280 He his first book, right, MO Rea Ish, I think it's called his 1277 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,920 first book that he wrote when he was 17 about hashmal and 1278 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:30,800 Halacha. You know that. 1279 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:31,600 Yeah, of course. Yeah. 1280 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,280 Yeah. Very important. 1281 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,760 So so it got a Hashcama from Ruf Cook. 1282 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,560 Oh wow. And later on, many, many, many 1283 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,920 years after the Rav Cook had died, someone they have to 1284 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,640 reprint and someone said, you know, maybe we should take that 1285 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600 husqvamma out. Ravsomozaman said, if you take 1286 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,240 that husqva out, you take all the Husqvas out. 1287 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,800 Absolutely not Like Rav Cook gave me a husk. 1288 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,840 I'm not going to take it out. That's, that's story number one. 1289 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,840 That's a well known story. Well known story. 1290 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,440 Fact, fact. It's not like, you know, made-up 1291 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,520 story #2HE used to go, oh, right. 1292 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,040 He he he once said to his students, he said, I think it 1293 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,680 might have been like towards the end of his life. 1294 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,680 And he said to his students, he said, I am, I am really worried 1295 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,200 that I'm not going to get Ola Mahaba and I'm not going to 1296 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,720 really get a, a portion on Obama. 1297 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,200 They said, what are you talking about, Rebbe? 1298 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,800 You know, you're you're so great. 1299 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,960 You're such a tonic. Like what does that mean? 1300 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,760 He said, when I was younger, I used to go on Shala Shuttis. 1301 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,160 I used to go to Ruff Cook's Yeshiva and I used to hear his 1302 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,920 dress out at shala shutis. That was me in Ola Mabba, and 1303 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,560 I'm not sure that I might have already gotten my own Mahaba in 1304 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:46,000 this world by hearing Ruff Cook. Yeah, I think another another 1305 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,479 point to make is that we have to also consider that some of the 1306 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,840 opponents of of Zionism or religious Zionism, they they 1307 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,880 could have been wrong. That's another thing, you know, 1308 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,319 like Rabbi Akiva got it wrong with Robert Kochba. 1309 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,720 So I think one of the signs that they were wrong was that you 1310 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,200 mentioned that Emma Banim Simeka as an example of somebody who 1311 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,040 realized as things were happening. 1312 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,279 Within that. Context and then you have those 1313 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,080 who told people no, it's OK, you could stay and and everything 1314 01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,200 will be fine and they ended up perishing and it happened a lot 1315 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,840 a lot of them. So I think we have to also look 1316 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,279 at it that way like yes, someone is that got told doesn't mean 1317 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:26,760 they're infallible a. 100 percent, 100%. 1318 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,880 And another point he also makes, I'm going to get back to that in 1319 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,520 one second. Another point he also makes is, 1320 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,760 you know, especially today, we are so free in using that word 1321 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,040 God all like anybody who like, you know, give some shoe and you 1322 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,800 know, knows a decent man. I tell right, he's already a 1323 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,560 God. All he says history is when we 1324 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,399 we really will know. In other words, as years go by 1325 01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,399 as as as Millennium or not. It's not Millennium, you know, 1326 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,439 decades, decades go by after a person dies. 1327 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,720 Then you know, whether he's really a lasting God all he's 1328 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,160 somebody like he's one of those people in, you know, Jewish 1329 01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,440 history. He's the perfect exam. 1330 01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,600 He says the Rambam during his lifetime, they burnt his books. 1331 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,560 Is anybody not going to deny that the Rambam today is one of 1332 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,640 the doleag doleem right of all time just because somebody, 1333 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,320 everyone looks up to them? You know, this Rabbi, you know, 1334 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,200 he's the greatest. Maybe in his time he was he's 1335 01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,840 the greatest. And yeah, I definitely ask him 1336 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,200 how Chiles. But because he's against doesn't 1337 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,920 necessarily mean that that's, you know, that you when you're 1338 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,640 counting the Dolem, you count him as one of those who was, you 1339 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,800 know, naked. Not necessarily. 1340 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,320 He was not necessarily on the same level as so many of the 1341 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,440 others. The other point you made, I had 1342 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,040 to get back to that. Oh, what was the point you made? 1343 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,120 I'm sorry. Thank you too much. 1344 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,720 We're talking about, well, we're talking about that they're, 1345 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,200 they're not in foul. Oh, they're making mistakes. 1346 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:39,960 Make mistakes. I'm sorry. 1347 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,080 All right, If the Dolan can make mistakes, which is obvious, 1348 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,480 right? But especially on the issue of 1349 01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:49,200 Eretz Israel, we know, you know, we just read by midbar this 1350 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,800 Balotra Nassau Schlach. OK, my favorite partial Schlach 1351 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,960 parsha Chlak is all about Kulama nashim Rasheb and Israel Hema 10 1352 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,280 of the Gadola Adore made a major mistake about Eretz Israel. 1353 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:08,800 Major mistake and it's not unheard of, especially on this 1354 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,800 issue. Sometimes supposed you know 1355 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,640 Gadolin make mistakes on this issue, especially this. 1356 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,160 It's interesting that they made a mistake specifically regarding 1357 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,880 the land as well in Karshakhtala. 1358 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,720 So I'm talking. About yeah, yeah, if we go out. 1359 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,120 Of the land, that's where the. Yeatsahara. 1360 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,320 The Yeatsahara fights most about this issue because he knows once 1361 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,240 we get into that's it, he knows once the Gula happens, he's 1362 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,360 gone. Yeatsahara Satan, whatever you 1363 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,320 want to call it is out of business. 1364 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,320 So he tries his hardest. This by the way, the grud talks 1365 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:47,240 about in his famous Colatur Colatur and and and others that 1366 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,920 that this is something that I it's it's very hard for me to 1367 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,760 say it and I know like when people hear this like, oh, who 1368 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,880 are you chutzpah? How could you say such a thing? 1369 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,520 I remember there was a another podcast, you know, not as famous 1370 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,680 as yours, of course, but there's another podcast that had that 1371 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,800 had this debate between an American rabbi and a guy here in 1372 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,640 Israel who they called him a rabbi. 1373 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,720 He's really not a rabbi. He's just a guy who who's very 1374 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,560 gotten very interrogative. He's puts out these videos that, 1375 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,440 you know, really bashing American jewelry for not making 1376 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:21,320 aliyah, etcetera, etcetera. He does a very good job by the 1377 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,760 way. He let a lot of it is come comes 1378 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,160 from my books. He bought all my books and he 1379 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,040 loves my books and he just used all the sources that have in my 1380 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,960 books. So they had them Tiano on 1381 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,080 together and they were debating, you know, why is American 1382 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,920 jewelry not making aliyah? And they they brought back and 1383 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,960 forth, you know, arguments back and forth until it finally came 1384 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,600 to the point where this rabbi from America, who's also very 1385 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,920 well known, he's very he's very articulate and he knows he knows 1386 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,120 how to how to play the game. And he said, you know, but our 1387 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,040 Gadolin to say that we don't have to pick up right now. 1388 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,280 And you know, it's too dangerous in certain ways for the the 1389 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,720 Neshamas of our kids. They're gonna go off the Derek, 1390 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,000 you know, as if everyone in Israel is off the Derek. 1391 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,680 But but whatever. And I like was sitting and and 1392 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,600 my friend, the other guy was not he didn't answer well enough. 1393 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,520 He didn't he really didn't. And, and I was thinking 1394 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,720 afterwards how I would answer and I would have answered 1395 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:18,080 Miraglim mamish, just because some Ghodolim are saying that we 1396 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,400 shouldn't go back to Eriticia. Remember the partial of The 1397 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,840 Mirage. I'm not saying hostage. 1398 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,360 I'm not going to say that Rabbi is a mirage. 1399 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,080 That rabbi is a mirage. I'm not going to say that, but 1400 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,040 I'm just going to say it's, it's food for thought. 1401 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,960 Keep in mind that the majority of Ghodolim at that time said we 1402 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,600 shouldn't go into Eriticia. And they were wrong. 1403 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,240 They were dead wrong. So we have to be very careful. 1404 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,560 It's the Yates star, really, really works overtime to get us 1405 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,360 to to not come back there. It's Israel. 1406 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,840 Do we have time for one more? Do we have time for one more? 1407 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,800 I I have a little time. Whatever, it's up to you. 1408 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,200 I want it to be too long. No, no, no. 1409 01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:01,160 So, So I just wanted to, to get your take on like the, the 1410 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,720 current state of Israel, is it a fulfillment of the words of the 1411 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,560 prophets? How exactly can we be sure that 1412 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,840 the messianic process has begun, meaning the, to align the, the, 1413 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,200 the prophets with, with the current state And, and how can 1414 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,360 we, how can we see those, the, the markings, the connections 1415 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,880 and the markings being so? And I know you brought it up in 1416 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,480 the beginning and I wanted to also come full circle and close 1417 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:21,080 it over there. Right. 1418 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,320 So we talked about before. It's funny. 1419 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,840 I'm glad. I'm glad you got back to it 1420 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,920 because I said I told the story of my, of my Rebbe or Rabini 1421 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,880 that, you know, the prophets of old were the prophets and they 1422 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,160 already told us what it's gonna be like. 1423 01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:32,640 But there were two other if you remember. 1424 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,640 Then I said there's three, three things I wanna say and I forgot 1425 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,520 the other two. So in the book here he quotes 2 1426 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,040 beautiful ideas. Number one is from the mayor 1427 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,920 Simchavdinsk, the OR Somach Mesha Hoffman, who says, first 1428 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,280 of all, he said this is a famous letter where he wrote after the 1429 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,960 San Remo conference in 1920, he wrote and since the fear of the 1430 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,560 oaths has faded away and we now act with the permission of the 1431 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,880 kings, the Mitsuvarez Israel, Yesuvarez Israel has returned to 1432 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,280 its place. So that's number one. 1433 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,320 That's quoted all the time against the Satmarshita that, 1434 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960 you know, the the oaths are, you know, so important. 1435 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,920 Mayor Simcha here is even like to a certain degree, like making 1436 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,000 fun of it like this. The fear of the oath is like a 1437 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,400 fear people have that we have to be afraid of themselves, right? 1438 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,880 But even if, even if you don't, even if he's saying it 1439 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,440 seriously, which he probably was, but he's saying that that 1440 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,400 doesn't exist anymore. Once the nations gave us 1441 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,320 permission, that's gone. You don't have to worry about 1442 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,320 that anymore. That's number one. 1443 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,200 But then the next paragraph he says, granted at that time the 1444 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,480 prophets encourage them with divine prophecy, Now they say 1445 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,400 ah, but then they have prophecy. How about now we don't have 1446 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,360 prophecy. How do we know? 1447 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,080 But who knows? Perhaps just as the destruction 1448 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,000 of the second temple took place without prophecy, so to the 1449 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,960 cornerstone laying of the third temple will take place without 1450 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,240 prophets. Its restoration being similar to 1451 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,440 its removal means like a heckish. 1452 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,120 If the second temple was destroyed without Naveen, then 1453 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,880 the last Naveen were Hagai Sahari Malaki. 1454 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,560 At the beginning of the second temple, the end, the second, 1455 01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,760 there was no nerval anymore. No one said, OK, the, the, the 1456 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,880 temple's going to be destroyed. Like your meow at the end of the 1457 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,440 first was telling them it's going to be destroyed. 1458 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:19,320 You better, you better repent. That didn't happen at the time 1459 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,760 of the second. So maybe it's the same thing's 1460 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,640 going to happen when it's at least the cornerstone laying is 1461 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,680 going to be also be done without profits. 1462 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,520 That's point number one point #2HE quotes the netsieve, which 1463 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,560 is even more more impressive then it see, it says we see that 1464 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,440 the vine Providence has begun to populate the desolate areas of 1465 01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:42,080 the land with its children. He said that's the vine 1466 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,760 Providence. You know, that doesn't just 1467 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,640 happen that the Jewish people start returning to Aristotle and 1468 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,560 repopulating the land since the, and then he said, since this 1469 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,280 idea has stirred the Jewish people from from one end of the 1470 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,960 earth to the other wherever they are scattered. 1471 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,120 And so in other words, it's not like this crazy idea that, you 1472 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,520 know, a bunch of small group of people got into, it's everyone 1473 01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,480 and Zionism took, took off like create like wildfire. 1474 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,760 And again, it makes no sense. Makes no sense that all these 1475 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,480 secular Jews would get so into this Zionistic idea. 1476 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,240 They all want to come and build. I mean, the land was Desa. 1477 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,520 The land was filled with swamps, malaria and everything, and 1478 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,120 people came to build it. He says that shows that it's 1479 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,640 true because it's throughout the, the, the people. 1480 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,520 And then he says, and since the voice of the masses is like the 1481 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,080 voice of the Almighty speaking through his prophets, we must 1482 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,560 follow his voice and trust that Hashem will complete our work. 1483 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,720 In other words, what do you mean there's no prophets? 1484 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,560 What do you think when the Jewish people as a whole, as a 1485 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,120 collective tried to come back there and that, that, that, that 1486 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,800 feeling just just like bubbles up within them and they're just 1487 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:56,800 itching to come back there? It's Israel. 1488 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,840 Who do you think's doing that? That's Hashem's prophecy. 1489 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,240 We're thinking that we're worthy of having a prophet, literally 1490 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,640 having a prophet come and speak to us. 1491 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,680 We're not worthy of that yet, but Hashem speaks to us through, 1492 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,000 through our souls and He makes us want to come back. 1493 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,080 I mentioned this before. You know, throughout history, we 1494 01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,160 never found that. The Jews just decided, let's 1495 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,280 just pick up and come back there. 1496 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,920 It's Israel. Why all of a sudden in the late 1497 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,920 1800s did it happen 'cause that's prophecy. 1498 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,120 That itself is prophecy and, and again, going through all the 1499 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,880 different, the, the different prophecies that have been 1500 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,280 fulfilled, it is so clear. I mean, there's Jewish 1501 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:31,480 sovereignty over the land, right? 1502 01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:33,760 That's the Rambam says the number one, and it's also the 1503 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,000 Gallara. The number one difference 1504 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,240 between Galut and Gu lies when Eretz Israel is once again in 1505 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:45,440 our hands. What is it ain't Bain the Shibud 1506 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,360 Malfiot provided we're no longer Mishima Banten the malfiot. 1507 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,680 We're no longer you know enslaved to the kings of the of 1508 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,480 the world. We are independent and by the 1509 01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:56,200 way we're getting more and more dependent independent. 1510 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,840 I'm sorry. It used to be to say yeah we're 1511 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:02,320 still dependent on America. BB is Barack Hashan is 1512 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,760 disengaging from America no longer dependence on the 1513 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,920 American aid in in war. We're gonna, we're slowly but 1514 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,440 truly getting closer and closer to really being independent. 1515 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,040 And I would also say like people focus too much on how it started 1516 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,040 with the secular Zionists, but nobody really saw the where 1517 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:25,560 religious Zionism would become like so big and so influential 1518 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:30,760 and also that, you know, yeah. But the but the level, the 1519 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,240 amount of of Torah learning today that's going on in the 1520 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,360 land of Israel, whether you're anti Zionist or Zionist, I think 1521 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,840 is unprecedented. I think that we and. 1522 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,080 The quality and. And not just that I would say 1523 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,480 that I think I think the modern state of Israel is the longest, 1524 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,880 you know, running Commonwealth, let's call it in history. 1525 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:56,120 This is like the most successful iteration of of the land of 1526 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,640 Israel. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see I 1527 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,520 don't see that 2. And over 400 years. 1528 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,680 No, but what, what I'm saying is that, that, that we, we have, 1529 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,120 you know, we've, we had the first temple and then we lost 1530 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,720 the temple. I'm saying that this, this 1531 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,960 period that we had, whether even if it's not as long, I think we 1532 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,280 had the longest span of, let's say, non corrupt and non evil 1533 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,440 kings and the kind of things that they had, right? 1534 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:22,120 You understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that this, this, this 1535 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,480 period of success that we've had was not interfered by, you know, 1536 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,760 some, some foreign leadership that came in or some Abu Dhazar 1537 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,800 and all these things. I understand what you're saying. 1538 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean, even though you know 1539 01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,000 some of the leaders, we're not the biggest. 1540 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,200 Sadiq and I wasn't so happy when they won the elections. 1541 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,240 Right. But they're not, they're not no 1542 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,360 one into Yeah. No one comes close to Akhav and 1543 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,880 Yeravam and Menasha and, you know, killing people in the 1544 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,760 streets. I mean, you know, we complain 1545 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,920 about about today's leaders, but, you know, thank God, 1546 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,120 they're, they're not even close to that. 1547 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:51,960 Exactly. Yes. 1548 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:53,520 We should actually try to have someone. 1549 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,520 Karata Tov. Seriously. 1550 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,640 Yeah. Oh, that, that's the main thing, 1551 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:57,600 you know? That's the main thing. 1552 01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,320 You know the famous vort. You know why we're called 1553 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,760 Yudhim? Why not Yusrailim? 1554 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,760 Why is a Jew called the Yudhim? Udi is Yuda is one of the 12 1555 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,040 tribes. Why we called Yuda? 1556 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,760 Because Why is Yuda called Yuda? Because Leia said apam odet 1557 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,560 Hashem, I will give thanks to Hashem. 1558 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,360 That's why you who is from the word hodaya. 1559 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,960 That's what Judaism is all about. 1560 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,080 We have to give thanks and, and, and there are people who going 1561 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,440 back to this, you know, e-mail I got, there are people who will 1562 01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,040 do everything in their power to try to prove that there's 1563 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,640 nothing to thank Hashem for. Nothing happened in the six day 1564 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,240 war. Nothing has happened in, in the 1565 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,320 United Israel. Nothing positive has happened 1566 01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:33,880 that we have any reason to say thank you to Hashem for. 1567 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,840 It's, it's, it's terrible. It's really, it's, it's mind 1568 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,560 boggling. It's, it's, I don't understand 1569 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,760 it. It's sad, very sad. 1570 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,240 Thank you so much. This was incredible. 1571 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,960 I wanna you know the one take away not one there's many 1572 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,600 takeaways, but the the the one take away that that that really 1573 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,560 like. I feel if we could sum up one 1574 01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:01,120 thing that would that would help all Jews come to understand this 1575 01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,320 perspective in a much better way is really just to be more 1576 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,120 mushrash in Tanakh. If Jews really learn Tanakh 1577 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,040 properly and really like even the way the Tanak has learned, 1578 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,960 especially in, in, in some of the, and I'm not saying this 1579 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,520 derogatory, but but it's true. It's, it's almost like they read 1580 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,320 Tanak Midrashiki. And so the the IT, it, it 1581 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,240 doesn't, it doesn't Tanak itself doesn't really speak. 1582 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,880 It's almost like like there's what's the word I'm looking. 1583 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,520 For the reading it through a lens through through, let's say 1584 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,200 even a Talmudic lens in many ways. 1585 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,640 Talmudic lens, but it's basically, it's a, it's a, it's 1586 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,840 a selective version of how to, how to, how to read instead of 1587 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,920 really just reading Tanakh and just, and just letting it speak 1588 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,720 to you, letting it, let it let the ideas and the history and 1589 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,880 the, and the, and the, and the, the wisdom really just come in. 1590 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,520 Because if you do and then you come and we go through all what 1591 01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,360 we went through today. It's very simple and very 1592 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,320 intuitive. There's nothing, you know, we 1593 01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,000 ask questions and we go into Tanakh and we see the answers. 1594 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,360 It's, it's not complicated. It shouldn't be complicated, but 1595 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,400 it's become complicated. So really, you know, we all of 1596 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,400 us, including myself, have to really, you know, be more 1597 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,200 determined in in learning Tanakh. 1598 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,360 And I think if that happens, then naturally all these things 1599 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,800 will will will just kind of put put together by itself. 1600 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,200 And I think that's why many Israelis do understand this, 1601 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,280 because there was an emphasis of learning Tanakh as a, you know, 1602 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,400 it's part of our collective memory. 1603 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,720 It's our history. Even if they didn't believe in 1604 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:33,160 it per SE, it became a part of the, you know, the culture, 1605 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,000 building the culture. Of my father was that he learnt 1606 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,400 in Tikhon in Israel and Tanakh is what he knew and when. 1607 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,680 And if if I went to my dad right now and I'd ask him all these 1608 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,480 questions, he would answer me this from the same points 1609 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,120 because that that's what you know what I mean? 1610 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,960 That's why I always point this out that you, you notice all 1611 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,800 these, all these stories that a lot of them are coming out now 1612 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,680 on all these beautiful podcasts of these converts to Judaism, 1613 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,400 right? All these unbelievable stories. 1614 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,560 And so many of them moved to Israel. 1615 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,800 Why do converts move to Israel Like it's it's a double pursuit 1616 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,480 to them. It's so obvious to them because 1617 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,200 the last thing I say, because I I read Tanak, I read the Hamish. 1618 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,720 It's like so obvious. It's like throughout the Hamish 1619 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,360 and one of my books I didn't met one of the few I didn't mention 1620 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,080 is Eritish on the parish. I have a book about literally 1621 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,240 Eric Disrael is in every single parish in the Hamish. 1622 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,400 And certainly when you go to Tanakh, there's no question 1623 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,920 about it. So, but as opposed to somebody 1624 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,600 who who was brought up from right, he already has all those, 1625 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,320 you know, Hakmalogia to to get a get around it is saying no. 1626 01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:40,760 He's already preprogrammed to see it in a certain way and 1627 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,480 then. They don't see those Kip chuto, 1628 01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:45,960 that's all. Like, you know, using their 1629 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,600 thumbs. They're using too much, too much 1630 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,400 swaras. Just read the text. 1631 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,000 Too much pill pool. Tanakh is not a pill pool. 1632 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,520 Tanakh is is is the word of God. You're supposed to read it and 1633 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,960 it's supposed to speak to you. Naturally, that's what it is. 1634 01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,640 Right. And these commerce just read it 1635 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,720 as Chuto and they don't have that background of pill pool. 1636 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,920 So that's why they just see it and they say, of course we have 1637 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,400 to move to Israel. There's no question about it. 1638 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,680 This is, it's such an important topic and really thank you so 1639 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,080 much for coming on because it's, it's foundational and, and we 1640 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,400 hope that Bezrat Hashem, one day we will be dancing in Israel 1641 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,000 together and, and just, you know, keep doing what you're 1642 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,080 doing and. And before we go, can you tell 1643 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,480 the audience where you they can find? 1644 01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:27,600 You in your books. So good, good. 1645 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,440 Baruch Hashem, this is the first time I can actually finally say 1646 01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:33,000 my books are on Amazon. I worked like for a bunch of 1647 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,200 months and I put it on, you know, print on demand. 1648 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,120 So most of my books, most of my books are on Amazon. 1649 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,280 That's Erzel and the parsha, this book question of 1650 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,320 redemption. They, they, I yelled A shocker, 1651 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,720 which I didn't get to, but you know, that's the one that I 1652 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,400 eventually got back to or Philber's book. 1653 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,680 It's called the Dawn of redemption. 1654 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,560 I think you just look, you have to look up Moshe Lichtman on, on 1655 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,600 Amazon and it'll give him the five books that are there. 1656 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,800 And also everybody in Smake, although I don't sell it, 1657 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,520 someone else sells it on Amazon. So just just get it that way. 1658 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,440 That's the easiest way, unless you're in Israel, if you're in 1659 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:04,720 Israel, so you can get it through me for cheaper. 1660 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:08,480 All right, yeah, I also have a website where all my books are, 1661 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:13,680 but I, I it's called Torad toradsione.com, Torad Zion 1662 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,720 oneword.com. You can read all about the books 1663 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,720 and then and then you can go to Amazon if you live in America 1664 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,680 and buy it on Amazon. Tiscalumitzvot and thank you so 1665 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:22,600 much. We really. 1666 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,080 Appreciate it. Thank you for having me.