Welcome back to another episode of Look at Like a Lollipop, the
podcast. This week I have an amazing
guest. Her name is Baneful Bell, and I
am so grateful that you're here with me today.
How are you doing? Good, good.
Having a good day so far. So you originally popped up on
my explore page and it was like this beautiful altar that you
had outside in your garage, I assume?
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do all my witchcraft work in
the garage, actually. It's just more like fire safe
and we just need the room 'cause we have a lot of clients.
We work with a lot of different people and we like to do group
spell work essentially, which is like, I think a lot of
practitioners do it, but they're kind of scared to like show that
because there's a lot of like Sigma and Biasy around it.
But I like to be like as transparent and open as possible
with my clients. So we just made the garage an
entire work area in the house. Yes.
And when you speak on fire safe, I have had my issues.
Like I have my office, which was the room I was doing all my
spell work in. And then I literally almost
caught it on fire one day. And I realized that like there
just wasn't enough room for the flames to like breathe or like
for the flames to be able to like do their own thing.
So I started doing it in my kitchen and I had there was this
lady, she's no longer doing spell work.
She actually denounced her whole practice, but she would make
these like layered candles where she would like roll them.
She would take a chime candle and she'd roll it in like an
oil, and then she would dress it with herbs and then take another
chime candle and seal it in, picking it up.
And I thought like, oh, you know, this is fine.
I'm gonna put it in a metal dish.
Well, I didn't realize the metal dish was so circular that it
created like a flame portal. Like it created like a whole
thing. And.
Yes, it was very scary though. It was so very like have had
several close calls with like glass breaking or just issues
overall like I get. To I've had to like rush spells
out to like a porch before cuz I'm like, oh, this is too out of
control. It's always whenever I've done
like a group spell, whenever I've done more than one candle,
then, you know, I just like to add a lot of herbs and make it
really pretty. And it just sometimes, sometimes
spells that look super aesthetic and pretty, you better have a
fire extinguisher nearby because.
Seriously, like I was looking in my office the other day and I
did not realize from the day that that spell went crazy that
the smoke detector was like working overtime, that there's
like black on the smoke detector.
Like it was bad. Like it was scary.
Honestly, I don't try. I try not to use a lot of herbs
in the scale itself. Like I don't create a bowl with
like herbs as the base anymore because I've done that and
that's scary. It gets scary.
We take our herbs and we mix it in a blender and we make mixes
for our base. So we have our love spell base
because when you mince it up, it creates less of like a fire
safety as well too. So you're still using the same
ingredients, but it's like minced down, if that kind of
makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
They add like stuff to like customize the spell work, like
we customize everyone's spell work, obviously, but we have
like the base herb for it and we do it that way.
And that, yeah, we, we take fire safety really seriously because
we all have had really close calls with fire.
We all have practice fire. I think like every witch, even
if they don't want to admit it, has practiced something that's
like been not fire safe, you know, and that's how we learned.
OK, wait, hold on. I need to make sure that I'm.
Yes. Like I found this brass, like
it's a really cool thing that I do.
It's on my altar. It's basically just like a big
brass kind of like plate. And it has some elevation to it
so it doesn't set directly on the wood or whatever you're
setting it on. And it has been such a godsend
because if it's in that, I feel safe to know like it's not going
to break, it's not going to burn through.
But I had something that I thought was fire safe and it got
so hot on the bottom that it literally burned a ring on my
previous altar. I always go in the cooking
section. That's where I got my trays
from. The cooking section in Dollar
Tree actually is where we get those cute little silver trays
that we use for our clients. Yeah, I saw those.
So when you say we, I saw that you have a business partner.
So you 2 do everything together. I do we now we have 3 different
witches that work full time at my business and we live
together. So we have we have Vespertine
and then blue is our like baby witch.
So they're new to witchcraft. They're learning.
So they're kind of just like our assistant slash like they're
just learning under us right now, if that kind of makes
sense. Vespertine has been was
originally my mentor. She's been studying witchcraft
for like over 20 years. So it's been really cool
experience, like learning from her, but we were friends.
We met on TikTok and then we became friends.
We'd FaceTime all the time. And then like three years later
down the line, she was like, come move to Santa Barbara.
I was like not in a good place. So I was like, I just need a
change of scenery. So I kind of took like a leap a
bit and moved down there and then our business started
growing like crazy together. I think we kind of like bounced
off of each other's energy. We're both like very strong
manifestors. So I think like combined
together, we just kind of we grew exponentially overnight.
Yeah. And I can tell because like just
from watching your page for like the last few months, I've
noticed the growth that you've had just in a few months.
Like I really do believe that when you're in alignment,
nothing will stop you from being able to bring in what you need,
the clients, the whatever it is, you know, like whatever people
think that they're seeking, it will really come to you from a
space of alignment. I totally agree.
I feel like because there's a lot of people in the community
that will even try to like cast on me because they're jealous of
like the amount of clients I get.
And I'm like, there's enough clients for everyone.
There's enough, there's enough people interested in
spirituality and witchcraft for everyone.
Instead of using and wasting your time to like cast on other
practitioners or try to bring down other practitioners, learn
better skills like do a money spell.
Like, I don't know what to do a money spell.
Focus on yourself, focus on how you're treating your clients,
you know, focus on your marketing.
Like cuz really a lot of these people, I'm like, you could be
successful, but you're spending so much time and energy being
negative casting on other people instead of like putting that
energy into your business. And I'm like, that's your
problem right there. Like that.
You're not going to be successful with that kind of
mentality or mindset, you know? Well, I think especially women
were just taught to compete with everyone.
And then I really noticed how many people gate keep in the
spiritual arena, which my previous business partner that
was on the podcast, she was really big on witch talk when
she was at her prime of her business and amount of drama
that was on witch talk made me really glad that I never ever
made it over there. Like I never ever made it over
there. I don't know.
I stay out of it, but I get if you go to my Instagram, my hate
comments are atrocious. I rarely ever go into the
comments section because it's just, it is a minefield.
It is a minefield. But honestly, I'm glad because I
used to be really sensitive to that kind of stuff.
And I feel like this year it exposed me.
I got, I got on the wrong sides of like, like I got onto like
atheists talk on accident, Christian talk on accident.
So I had a lot of people who just like hate witches coming
across my page. And I think like, it was really
difficult for me because for a while, for good two years, I was
in like a little bubble of like, oh, everyone loves witch crap.
And then I'm like, Oh my gosh, no, actually a lot of people
don't. And I think it kind of just
taught me to like, OK, I don't need to like not give validation
from others, if that kind of makes sense.
Yeah, I know for sure. So I view hate comments now.
They don't bother me anymore. I'm like, OK, you know, I'm
doing something. I saw.
And she said like they were like, what is your like one
advice you have for someone who wants to be successful?
And she's like, if people aren't hating on you, you're not doing
something right. And I was like, Yep, I'm taking
it because I, I do agree. I think like if you're anything,
regardless of who you are, if you're doing something right on
social media, you're going to have people who love your
content, you're going to have people who hate your content.
And that's just part of the game.
Yeah, and I think that's really a unique place to be of.
Like, I'm not trying to impress you all.
And I also don't care what you think either because that gives
you such a way of creative freedom that I don't think a lot
of people get to experience. Because when the money's coming
in, the opportunities are flowing, nothing anyone can say
is going to affect you. It's when your money's blocked
and your opportunities are blocked or, you know, like you
said, you're sending out that negativity or you're sending out
that vibration. So what type of advice would you
have for people who are wanting to start a business but are
afraid of like judgement or hate comments?
Honestly, maybe this sounds a little tone deaf.
You have to just suck it up. I was terrified.
I grew up getting bullied.
Like I understand how difficult it is to put yourself out there
and it's going to feel so awkward when you first do it.
It's going to feel awkward. It's going to feel real.
And the first few videos you're going to post, you're probably
not going to go viral. You're going to have videos that
flop. I still to this day have videos
that flop. I think even a video I posted
yesterday flopped. That's just part of the game.
And like, that doesn't mean you're a bad creator.
That doesn't mean that you can't make it.
That's just like you need to fail and flop a few different
times before you're going to be successful.
You have to just be consistent and you have to want that for
yourself. You know, I personally like to
do stuff that like, if I feel afraid to do something, I'm
going to go do it. Because ultimately, at the end
of the day, fear will keep you complacent.
Fear will keep you comfortable. And it's like if you want to
grow and expand, you have to be afraid and you have to do stuff
that you're going to be afraid of doing.
But then once you do it, you're less afraid.
You're you get less and less afraid to post.
You get less and less afraid of people's opinions.
The more and more you do it, the more, the less.
And the more and more you do it, the less and less it bothers
you. Yeah, that's how it was like
whenever, like five years ago when I got onto TikTok.
There really wasn't a lot of, like people on TikTok at that
time. So there wasn't a lot of like,
overload of content. So like you would put something
out and it would get 15,000 likes, like easy because there
wasn't a bunch of a content on there.
But I was reading something talking about like statistically
millions of things are being uploaded every hour across these
platforms. And it's very competitive now.
I mean, I started my TikTok back in like 2022.
So mine was after everyone had already started being on TikTok,
there was already a lot of huge creators.
So it was really scary. And I did like have a lot of
negative mindsets when I first got into it where I would see a
creator being big. And I'm like, why are they big?
My content's better. And I just like, I had to like
ego check myself. I didn't take a step back and
I'm like, OK, why am I feeling this way?
Like towards their success? Because ultimately at the end of
the day, them being successful, that has no impact on me.
Like, you know what I'm saying? And I need to instead see it as
like, OK, if I think that my services are better, then why am
I feeling threatened by this other person?
You know what I'm saying? So it's like it's I just had to
like ego check myself. But I think we all fall into it.
I think just a lot of people don't like to admit it, but we
all have an ego, We all have an ego.
We all feel some type of way, especially as a content creator
sometimes. And that's something that you
have to work through or you're not gonna grow, you know,
viewing everyone as a competition.
It didn't work well for me. You know, I think I'm like
blowing crazy this year because I started collaborating with
other people. Like if I was overly jealous and
if I didn't check my ego, I wouldn't have started working
with Fespertine and I wouldn't have been able to grow my
business to where it is right now, you know?
And I think it's really beautiful doing something like
that you 2 are doing that's very authentic and like pure because
you can tell in your like alters or like your setups.
Like it's really meticulously planned out, like all the herbs,
the the candle placements, like everything's really beautiful.
And I think so many people underestimate what you can get
at the dollar store to like shift your whole life, like you
said earlier, like do a fucking money spell or do something for
yourself. Like, so many people don't
realize, like, putting makeup on is glamour magic or getting your
hair done or the reason you feel so good when you get your hair
done or when you get like, today was my eyebrow day.
So they're really dark today. But like, in two days, they'll
be perfect, you know? So it's like the universe puts
things into your path to make you feel good.
But so many people stay in lack, like lack of mindset, lack of
energy, lack of confidence. And I really do think that's how
this system around us operates the way that it did.
Because if everyone was confident enough to like, chase
their dreams, quit their day job and move across the country, we
would have a lot less people working for the system, like for
the matrix system itself. So I really do admire the
collaboration context because I have found that a lot of people
want to come into my circle because they think they can
benefit from something, not really because they want to
collaborate or like be my friend, you know?
So like I'm trying to navigate like being a spiritual person
and staying open and not being like closed off from new
connection. But I have a lot of like really
high profile clients, people that are on TV and music and all
these things. So I think a lot of people think
they're going to use me to like get closer to someone or like
step stone. Right, and I mean that's you
just need to protect your clients at that point.
You know, I, I work with like some high profile clients as
well too, but that's not I'm not going to give off their
information. I privacy is like our number one
concern at my company. I always make sure whenever I, I
have thousands of reviews that I do post, but I always make sure,
you know, it's completely anonymous.
I always ask before I post reviews to just make sure it's
OK. I keep all information as
private as possible, you know, and I think that you should have
that kind of mindset if you're going to run a spiritual or
witchcraft business like you. These are people's lives.
They're coming to you. And usually they're coming to
you because they have something that's going on in their life.
Like they're not in the best place, you know?
So like for me, like that would be really icky.
Like I'm not here to take advantage of people.
I'm here to help. And I'm not going to exploit my
kind of clients, you know, So, but that's definitely tricky.
I definitely think like not everyone has good intentions for
you, you know, but I think for me a lot, I, I just don't like
viewing other women as competition.
You know, I try to just, I just, I think a lot of people like
it's an unpacked misogyny where I think like women from birth
were taught that other women are, are competitors.
When in reality, when we can work together, we create really
beautiful things. Yeah, And, you know, I was just
talking to someone that was speaking on community spaces and
how much like community was always centered in healing.
Like that was like the forefront of healing and the the, you
know, medicine women and medicine man and history and
beyond. Like community was at the center
of the energy. Like we as a collective or as a
society have really been driven apart from community.
And they keep us very exiled and keep us very indifferent to one
another. And I really do think that's by
design. I really think if like, women
came together, the world would be like, what the fuck?
Like, you know what I mean? Like if women came together and
we're no longer centering men or centering relationships or
centering these patriarchy, patriarchy ideas, everything
would work better. Like they say that women are too
emotional to like be in government.
But like, look at what the fuck we have here.
You know, like, I'm sorry, we're literally like a reality show.
That is our life. That is the government right
now. So like, don't tell me that
women are too emotional for that.
Is run by women like most of the people in power in Sweden are
women and I never see anything negative about Sweden on the
news. They're mining, they're mining.
They're actually I think it might be Switzerland.
There's a couple different countries that have women in
leadership and you know what they have free health care.
They have great benefits overall like they are doing they have
high education levels the happy level.
I don't know if it's like a happy meter, I guess, which is
debatable on how you can like if you can really measure
happiness, you know. But overall people have higher
life expectancies, higher quality of life in a lot of
these countries and surprise, a lot of them are run by women.
I think like matriarchal societies function better like
they. It makes more sense to center
women and children for me personally.
You know we all came from a woman.
Like I was going to say, like women are a portal.
We're the closest thing to the spiritual realm.
Like no one can do what a woman can do.
And we're sustaining this whole population, you know, like we're
sustaining everyone. I don't understand hating a
woman because we all came from 1:00.
We all came from 1:00. But a lot of women hate other
women. And it's, it's so heartbreaking
to see because I think like a lot of us were raised to have a
certain mindset, you know, And I think even me for like a big
part of my life, I was not the best girls girl, you know, I
definitely viewed women as competition.
And it wasn't even something that I was like actively doing.
It was like very unconscious, you know, But I really, like,
just sat with that uncomfortability and was like,
why am I feeling this way? Why am I viewing?
And it's not just women. I viewed men as competition, but
it's mostly women that I feel like I've caught myself viewing
as competition, comparing myself.
And ultimately, at the end of the day, what I learned was
there's always gonna be someone that could be more
conventionally attractive than you.
There's always going to be someone that has more followers
than you. There's always going to be
someone who maybe is doing better than you in one area or
another, but there's always someone who may be doing worse
and like it. There's no point in measuring
your success by other people, by what other people are doing.
That's not going to get you anywhere.
You just have to think everyday, am I taking a step in a
direction that's bettering me in my life?
Am I becoming a better version of myself today?
That's all you have to worry about.
You won't have to worry about whether you're doing better than
Sally. You don't have to worry.
You know what I'm like? It doesn't.
It doesn't fucking matter. And at the end of the day, you
have no idea what that woman's going through.
You can think that they're more successful than you.
You have no idea what they're struggling with.
You have no idea what their day-to-day life is like.
You have no fucking idea. There's so many rich people that
have huge mental health problems, huge mental health
problems that. Was, you know, like you never
know. You have no idea.
Going through no idea. You don't know these people.
You're seeing what they want you to see on social media.
You know they're not posting their bad moments.
Do you do mediumship? Is that something that you're?
Are you also a medium? I do yes.
I talked to, I've been, I talked to spirits when I was like a kid
and I didn't even know like what I was doing.
But like my grandma passed away when I was 3 and my parents
would come in my room all the time and they'd be like, who are
you talking to? And I'm like grandma, I'm like
having full on conversations. I'd write her letters and like,
I'd put them in balloons and send them up to heaven because I
grew up in a Christian household.
So like when I was 3, obviously I thought that was just like how
the world worked. So I would like send her
messages up, but I was always talking to her.
And then as like a teenager, I would like talk to, I would use
a candle actually to talk to spirits.
And then one flicker would be yes, two flickers would be no.
And I would ask yes or no questions.
Like I didn't even realize what I was really doing.
I wasn't really even like spiritual at that point in my
life. I was pretty agnostic, but like,
I've always kind of talked to spirits.
And then when I found spirituality, I was like, oh,
OK, this is like an actual thing that people do.
Cool. And kind of like open myself up
to it a bit and yeah, I talk to spirits.
I. My experience is very similar to
yours. Like when I was a kid, I just
thought that I was weird. I would always be making like
potions and spells. I would do spells as a kid.
I was constantly in like my fairy era.
Like, I didn't realize that that's who I was outside working
with was like with the fairies in the fae realm.
But OK. I absolutely love how almost
every medium or psychic that I've come across is like, oh,
yeah, I was, I was when I was a kid, I already knew because when
I was a kid, we would do seances around candles and like pray and
we would like, you know, like the craft.
We would do like the light as a feather stuff as a board thing.
We would do seances. My friend had a Ouija board.
Like we would do a lot of stuff. And I remember like, I think I
blocked it out, but something happened with the Ouija board
that scared me. And I was like, oh, I can't have
those. I can't be around those.
And then now I have like a full of them.
I have like 10 of them. But like back then I was just
like so scared of it. And I really do think that with
like new age spirituality and people coming into their own
authentic power, it has really empowered so many people like
you said earlier, like baby, which is people who want to
explore, they're feeling more comfortable in like coming out.
And like one of my friends wrote me earlier and she's a big
TikTok creator that works around conspiracy theories.
And she texted me earlier and she said I'm in my witchy era
and sent me this like book she bought because I told her I was
like, you're a fucking witch. I don't know if you know this,
but like the way you connect with spirit is unique to you
because she's doing it in a way that connects to the mainstream.
You know, because everybody in the spiritual realm, like can
see through Hollywood. Like I'm sorry, like once you've
reached a certain level of awareness, your third eye, like
you can see, like you said, just cuz they have money and they're
showing you this. I can see the pain in their
eyes, or I can see that they are, you know, not not happy.
Right near LA and all I'll say is there's a lot more people
doing witchcraft than I think people realize.
And a lot of the people who are successful, they don't talk
about it because we get shamed if we talk about doing
witchcraft. But there is a lot of people who
practice, but they keep it very secret.
They keep it very, very secret. But there's some of your
favorite celebrities have probably done some witchy shit
at some point in their life, and that's all.
That's all I'll say because I'm not going to expose LA, but
yeah. Like with music being a ritual,
you know, like when you go to a concert and everyone's singing
the same song, it's a fucking ritual.
It's a spell. And I honestly do believe that's
how Taylor Swift got where the fuck she is because of the way
that she is so enchanting. Like enchanting with what she
says and how she says it. That girl is a witch.
And I know I'm sure you've seen the girl from the Satanic church
that looks just like her. Have you ever seen that?
Oh no. How to look it up?
The daughter of the person who founded the Satanic church is
identical and I don't mean like just a little bit.
I'm talking like copy paste Taylor's eyebrows, cheekbones,
everything. And so they say that she
reincarnated or she, you know, transferred her spirit or
however, I don't know, I don't know how it works.
I. Mean.
She asked over and then. And then Taylor came to.
OK, interesting. Yeah, I haven't heard that
before. I'm like really deep into like
conspiracies, not because I like go down the rabbit hole and like
get really worked up over it, but I'm really good at picking
up on patterns. Like, you know, he talked about
like previously on other episodes, like Marilyn Monroe
was kind of like the blueprint, but they got rid of her.
You know, like there's different things in history.
If you look around people that don't play the game, all of a
sudden you're mysteriously plane crash or like mysteriously over
here and like it's just, it's crazy how like you said, so many
people are using witchcraft and so many people are doing
rituals, even like beauty rituals that they don't realize
is a ritual or they don't realize is glamour magic.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, witchcraft is just a
manipulation of energy. It doesn't mean you're sitting
around with a pentacle on a bunch of candles.
Like they're, there's so many even just blowing out a birthday
candle and making a wish that's technically witchcraft.
Like that literally falls under the umbrella of witchcraft.
Blowing a dandelion that's comes from witchcraft.
Like that's literally Alexa stop, sorry.
Yeah, no, what you said, I recently got a book on the fairy
like the fae, and it was talking about a dandelion is in
connection with them and how that's like an earth spirit and
that you should ask the dandelion if you can pick it
before you pick it. And I was like, oh, OK.
And they're like, don't pick it from the root.
Like there was all these like, rules.
But you know, there's so many things in our reality that were
here to help us that have been hidden from us.
So what's something that has been like revealed to you
through spirituality that you never saw before?
Well, for one thing, herbalism, like Speaking of dandelions,
it's great for your health. You can pick the dandelions
we're told to like hate these weeds, get rid of them.
They're actually so good for your physical health.
They're so good for your heart. They're so good for your skin.
You can take it and you can make like a body butter and it's
really good for you. It actually like benefits you.
It has physical benefits to it, you know, and it's also just
like, I think witchcraft. For me, it was just re grabbing
my power, not as just like an individual, but also just as a
woman, because I feel like for a long period of my life, I didn't
feel like I was powerful. I didn't feel like I was in
control. I felt like things, bad things
just happened to me. And that's just my life and it's
out of my control, you know, And that wasn't necessarily the
reality. There is stuff that I, it was my
mindset was definitely part of it, but my mindset was leading
to like me making toxic life decisions that were also leading
me down a lot of these paths. And just like learning how to
like deconstruct that a bit, it was like a huge game changer for
me. I started off with like
manifestation. That's what I started off with
was like manifestation tarot. And I started with money magic
and I'm really good at money magic.
My money magic comes to me really, really fast, really,
really easy. That was like the first kind of
witchcraft I learned. But really, just, like,
manifesting was like a huge game changer for me.
And like, everyone in my life noticed like a complete 180.
Everyone around me was like, there's something just different
about your energy. Like people who aren't even
spiritual were like, no, you've changed.
Like, I can tell. Like there's a certain vibe that
you're kind of giving off now. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, like
I've been doing some manifestation and they're like,
oh, I don't know about any of that woo woo shit.
But then, you know, a month later they're like, hey, so how
are you achieving this? How are you achieving this?
And I'm like, OK, do you want to learn my woo woo shit now?
Like I used manifestations in order to like, completely cut
out recreational drugs and alcohol from my life.
Like, I envisioned a place in my world where I didn't need to
numb things out, where I didn't need to run from things, where I
wasn't afraid of my shadows or my demons.
And really working with like plant medicine, which I guess
would fall into herbalism, it really did help me snap out of
like the numbing energy that I was in.
I really do think I've found a theme of like a lot of spiritual
people either go down a really toxic relationship path or a
toxic substance abuse path, or they're in a toxic religion
path, or, you know, like there's so many different paths that
lead us back to our power, lead us back to our self.
And I really do think it's such a beautiful thing to watch
people like yourself teach others about it because there
are so many gatekeepers. And it drives me crazy because
spirit, my guides are always telling me like if you have
something, share it with the world.
Don't hold on to it. You will be rewarded for it.
Release it out into the world. Like even if someone takes your
idea and makes a movie out of it, like it, it doesn't matter.
Like just share the information. It'll go where it needs to go.
And that has been a game changer for me because it helped me
Start Stop seeing competition everywhere.
And that's like with the podcast now being a solo project, I'm
able to collaborate with people like yourself and other amazing
creators that have so much to share with me and in the
audience and just really the world.
So, you know, I'm very, very grateful to like, just have some
of your time and like appreciate you with your money Rituals.
Do you do rituals for yourself? Like on the 1st of the month, do
you do like the cinnamon and the money bowl or is that something
of the past? For you, I used to.
Now I just kind of, I think I've done so much money magic to the
point where now I just kind of have to maintain stuff.
We do have a money bowl that we add to, but really I just
manifested and I just do, I do like I just do personal spell
work for myself, but I don't really necessarily do it during
like a certain time or a day. I used to have like a level of
rigidity, but now I just kind of do when I feel called to do kind
of certain things, if that kind of makes sense.
So yeah, I used 'cause I used to be really strict about it.
We're like every Thursday I would do money magic.
Every Friday I would do love magic every this day I would do
this. And like, I still do try to,
like sometimes it just happens to fall on that day, but I just
go based off of like my energy where I'm at in the day, you
know, 'cause there's some days where like I do wake up and I'm
just feeling really negative. And I'm like, you know, I don't
need to do witchcraft today. I don't need to do witchcraft
today. I don't need to do anything
spiritual. I need to, I need to, you know,
maybe sleep in or I need to maybe just like go outside and
go to the beach or I just need to go do this or do that, you
know, to take care of my mental health.
So that's kind of how I've navigated it a bit just because
I do have like a lot of I have like BPD.
So some days I wake up and I just, I'm not in a mood magic
and I'm like, no, I'm in too much of a negative headspace.
I need to like focus on grounding today.
I need to focus on just like getting myself into a calm or
better state, you know? So I kind of just like I've kind
of found like a flow a little bit and I kind of just go along
with my own flow instead of forcing it and kind of just
doing what I feel called to every day, if that kind of makes
sense. I love that.
I love that so much because I have known people that went full
time into their business, into their spiritual business and
they got burned out, which is why like I've continued to keep
my day job, which is like my career.
I've done it for 10 years. Like I'm really good at it.
So like I didn't ever plan on leaving that.
Like Spirit used to tell me that I needed to prepare because
there were big changes. But the whole time I realized
that that change was within myself, not necessarily my
environment or what I was doing. I was within myself.
And so it's funny because I used to get anxious like, Oh my gosh,
like one day I'm going to have to choose.
But then like, I was in a deep meditative state earlier in this
year and I was just really on a healing journey and I was in
silence. It was winter and Spirit came to
me. And they were like, now your
decision to take a step back from your business won't stress
you out. And I was able to take like 3
months off of like public content or just like bookings
from my website. Like, I still had my Patreon in
my private clients, but it was like no new energy.
And there was something so sacred about that reset that I
really realized that that workaholic tendency that I have
as a Taurus who's very grounded and earth centered on material
and foundation and success. And I was like, wait, this isn't
doesn't sound fun anymore. Like I'm not having fun doing
witchcraft. I'm not having fun doing spells
for other people. I'm not even doing things for
myself anymore. And I really felt like I lost
myself and like the giving, giving, giving motion.
So I took a step back and I raised my prices.
And now I feel so much centered and grounded.
It's just like, oh, OK, look, that's what I needed.
You know, I just needed to take a step back.
I kind of went through that too, where I was getting to a point
where I was like, this is not fun anymore.
I'm, I'm prioritizing my clients to the point where like, I'm not
even prioritizing myself. You know, I'm not even doing
witchcraft for myself. And I, I really just had to like
it got to a point where I just had a breakdown and then I was
like, OK, this is not healthy. Like it's better for me to take
a day off then like keep working, working, working to the
point where now I have to take a month off of work, you know,
instead of just finding some balance and just taking some
days off. And you know, any clients that
have freaked out about that refund, you're not the right
client for me. You're this isn't a good fit.
You know, ultimately, at the end of the day, I'm not going to
like sacrifice, but I used to, I really used to.
But I'm not going to sacrifice myself for like a sale or for a
client because I don't need to. I don't need to, you know?
You first get into a business. You're just like, wow, someone
wants to pay me for this. OK, OK.
And then like it keeps getting more.
And then I would have clients who would book a reading and
think that that meant that they got like a follow up call every
30 days to like talk about it. And I mean, it was so bad that I
had to like delete messenger and like delete certain apps for a
while because it felt like I was constantly being bombarded with
questions. But now when people that I'm
cool with are friends with are like, hey, how much would you
charge for this? I'm like, I'll just tell you how
to do it. I'm not just going to tell you
how to do it because like I don't even right now, like I'll
just tell you how to do it and it's nothing personal.
It's just like you can do the spell or I could do the spell,
but I think that you're so passionate about it.
Like you're the one ready to let this person go or you're the one
ready to move forward. You should do it.
Like that's where I think I've turned a new leaf of, like you
said, like there's enough clients for everyone, There's
enough energy, there's enough people interested and I don't
need to drain my well or my reservoir to constantly pour
out. Like, that was the whole reason
I started this journey in the beginning was to reclaim myself.
So it's easy to get lost when people are like, oh, yeah, I
want to give you money. And you're like, Oh my gosh, you
want to pay me? And it just snowballs, you know?
Yes, definitely. I, I appreciate, I love all of
my clients and I do have most of my clients I do talk to like
every day. I answer my DMS within like 24
hours of them reaching out and stuff like that.
But it's not like a drain for me personally cuz I, I like talking
to people. I really, I really don't mind
and like a lot of these people are most people who are coming
to a witch are not in a good place.
Most people are not coming because everything's going well
in their life. They're going through something
that they need help with that they're really struggling with.
And it's something that I likely have struggled with or can like
at least understand to a certain extent.
So I don't really, I don't mind. I let my I'm a pretty open book.
I let my clients like come to me, but I am like, I do have
clients who are like, I need my Rd. opener done today and I'm
like, well, I'm not doing it today.
I'm sorry you're going to have to wait a few days because I'm
not in the mindset to do it today.
Because I'm like, if I do your spell work today, I'm going to
botch it. It's not, I'm not going to be in
the right energy. So I'm like, it would be better.
Like I, I personally, if you're going to buy services from like
a spiritual practitioner, I wouldn't recommend rushing them
because even if you do get your spell done quicker, you might
get it done while they're not in the right headspace, you know?
So at that point, if you need spell work done faster than what
I can give you, you need to either expedite with me or you
just need to find another practitioner that has a smaller
client load. You just need to find someone
else. And that's kind of what I tell
them where I'm like, maybe this isn't the best fit for you
because this is how I run my business.
You know, I have my wait times listed on there on my website
when you book it. If you're not OK with my wait
times, find someone else. I'm OK with you going and
finding someone else. I'm like, I, I know plenty of
practitioners I can recommend to you that have smaller client
loads. You know, I don't mind telling
my clients go somewhere else if needed because it's their at the
end of the day, it's their journey.
It's their journey. And I'm not going to tell them
if you need a road opener done today, OK, I respect that that's
your journey. But I might not be able to
accommodate that. And that's OK too.
You know, not everyone a good fit for you.
Not everyone is like a good client for you.
And I think it's like important to like, have your boundaries,
you know, and the right people will find you and the wrong
people will find people who are right for them.
Because you. Might not be a good fit for
them. And energetically, I have pretty
much set up like a ward that like if someone's coming into my
space, they have to meet all these criterias.
Like I don't want someone coming to me with their last 50 to $100
thinking that I'm going to be able to do all of this by the
1st so they can pay rent. You know, like I would much
rather you take that $50, put some gas in your car and go
DoorDash. Please, you know, like make an
initiative here. Don't spend your last fifty with
me. I feel like really try to help
everyone or be accommodating for everyone or have a level
available for everyone's budget. And that was something that was
really draining me. And I think that, like you said,
when people are booking, not rushing the practitioner is so
important because my delivery time used to be 72 hours on any
spiritual service like spell work or greetings.
And, and I'm like, who the fuck are you working for?
Like you can make this two weeks.
Like who says it's got to be 72 hours?
Like I just saw where my people pleasing and like my Venusian,
like Libra moon was like, please help, please stay.
I love you. I want to help you.
You know, it was just like I was giving way too much and like
trying to be way too accommodating.
And and like, of course, like I talk to most of my clients and
texts, like most people they've been in my life for years on
end, but it's like the one offs that come in with us, like I
said. Their last $50.00 for their name
and think you're gonna be able to like work 20 miracles for
them in the next 72 hours and it's like.
I'm like, look, good luck, good luck, good luck about.
That if you're. At that point in your life, I
think you just need to learn witchcraft yourself at that
point. At that point, I think this is a
sign that maybe you just need to to work to do it yourself.
Because if you're going into that mindset, you're probably
just going to get scammed. Honestly, someone's just going
to take the $50 from you and they're going to give you empty
promises because most practitioners that are actually
legit are going to tell you they're going to be realistic
with you, and they're going to tell you $50 is not going to get
you 20 different spells. Someone who's giving you 20
different spells for $50, they're probably not doing your
spell work. They're probably not doing your
spell work. Because at that point, if they
are, they're losing money. They're losing money, you know,
So, But yeah, I always, I have a free giveaway.
So I always tell people I'm like, you can enter the free
giveaway. We do free winners every month.
So if you can't afford my services, I understand.
But we do offer payment plans and you know, you can join the
free giveaway if needed. And if it's really meant for
you, then we, we randomly pick the people.
We randomly pick a number through one through 100, for
example, if there's one through 100 people that sign up for the
giveaway, we pick numbers through that pretty randomly to
just like what we feel called to, if that kind of makes sense.
And those clients are always so aligned to it's so funny.
Those clients are like, I was like, I'll be like 86 and I'll
look up the client's name. I'll be like, Oh, that was the
exact person I really wanted to win and there and that's it.
And then their spell work, it always like lands like that.
So I'm like, it was so perfect and so like meant to be where
like they really truly did need my help and they couldn't afford
my services and it still worked out for them and it makes it
does make me really happy. I do like do free services where
I feel called to, you know, but but for a while I think I felt
bad even charging at all. I used to have my prices so, so
low. I used to do tarot readings for
literally $5, love spells for $20.
Like just because I felt so bad and guilty about charging
people. And I kind of just was like,
this is not fair to me. Like I'm overextending myself to
the point where I, I'm not able to like, help them out of people
that I would be able to help if I like actually just adequately
priced myself, you know? And that was kind of what I
realized too, because I get a lot of people that are like,
well, if you love it so much, why don't you do it for free?
Pastors don't charge. And I'm like, OK, but pastors
have a salary they don't pay. Taxes they.
Don't pay taxes. Pastors are still getting paid
and like I did for a long time, do witchcraft for people for
free. But I realized that if I charge,
I can actually help a lot more people because I can make it my
full time job. My full time priority now is
helping people. And I wouldn't be able to do
that if I was. I couldn't do that for free.
I wouldn't be able to help this many people on this large of a
scale if I was doing all of that for free or for next to nothing,
you know? What pisses me off about people
looking at the spiritual practitioners, healers, which is
whoever and thinking that just because it's a gift that they
possess that it should be shared freely to like everyone because
I also like the first year I established my LLC, which was in
2021. I did free readings for a whole
year. Spirit told me they were like,
look, if you do this, we will, we will show you the light.
And I was like, OK, bet. I was like, I'm just going to
set up the website. I'm going to invest money.
I'm going to do it. So if you wanted a book, it was
like a 30 minute free video chat reading and people would book
them and I would plan my day around it and then they would
ghost. They wouldn't show, not always,
but a lot like 50 or 50% of the time, people would just cancel
last minute, get scared, not show up, whatever.
So then whenever I introduced pricing and started doing that,
I instantly got an offer to come on to the Dumb Blonde podcast,
which is a massive, probably one of the biggest podcasts now.
So cool. I've been on there twice.
So I am actually Bunny's resident psychic and so I do a
lot of stuff for her and her team.
But this was like years ago, like this way before they were
really, really big. And at that time that was like
the door, like spirit was like, okay, look, you did the work.
You showed us that you would make sacrifices, that you would
do this. And then as soon as that year
was up, somehow I got connected with Bunny and she was just
like, come to Nashville tomorrow.
I want to meet you and we're going to do it a podcast.
And I was like, because I've been close to Nashville, like 3
hours away. So I was like what?
I was like she sent me the address.
She was like, here's my managers name and and contact.
So Long story short, like that opened the floodgates of people.
Like you can imagine going on a platform like that, like people
were rushing in and I was doing the same thing you were doing,
doing readings for five and $10, doing spells for 30 or $33 or
whatever, right? I just was really just blessed
that people wanted to book with me because in the past I was
doing it for free. So I was just like, wow, you
want to give me money? So I was like doing all these
free like upgrades or flash readings and like it worked for
about 3 years until the point I reached a breaking point and I'm
like, why am I sick all the time?
Why am I drained? And then in February I did a
Valentine's Day event in person and the reason I did it is
because there was no booth fee and no percentage.
So if I went to this event I could basically just run the
check all day and keep all the money.
So I was like cool. When I do in person events
though, I always feel weird about charging people more than
like $30.00. I don't know why it because I'll
straight charge you $100 on the Internet all day.
But in person I don't know, I just I get weird about it.
So I did like 25 or $30 readings.
I think I did 20 of them. Girl I flew for like 7 days.
I had never been so sick after that and it was because I chose
to go make a quick little $400.00 when I could have just
said at home, booked 3 readings and said I did 20, you know what
I mean? For the same amount of money.
And I really do just want to help people.
It's never been about the money, which is why I have a whole last
day job so I don't have to depend on my gifts or my clients
for my full income, right? And like, it was just such a
hard pill to swallow that like, even if you want to help
everyone, you can't. No, you can't.
And that's it's hard. I think that's like your people
pleasing tendency. You know, I don't want to speak
for you, but I'm like, I think the in person events it's more
difficult, you know, because it's it's it's easier, I feel
like to say no over a screen than like when you're face to
face with someone. It's very, very difficult to be
like no and set boundaries. Like it's, it's already very
difficult for people pleasing with setting boundaries in
general, but especially like face to face.
It's like, oh God, okay, you know, I'm so sorry here, Levy.
And you just, but you have to get out of that mindset because
otherwise you're going to be everyone's doormat.
Everyone doormat, it's not going to benefit them.
It's not going to benefit you. I realized for the longest time
my people pleasing tendencies, we're actually enabling people
and we're actually like keeping them complacent and incredibly
toxic habits and they're treating me like shit.
It's hurting me, but they're also not growing.
So it's not benefiting anyone. It doesn't be people pleasing
ultimately. Like long term does not benefit
anyone. Yeah.
And like, earlier in the year is when I realized that.
And that is literally when multiple people, business
partners, friends, family, just like exited my life.
Like the moment I was just like, wait, why am I letting you
benefit from me doing all the work?
Why am I letting you ride my way?
You know what I mean? Like, why am I giving you the
torch when I'm doing all the work?
And so yeah, that's something that I've learned because so
many people will stick around waiting for their free handout,
but they don't support you and they're not growing on their
own. And that is such a tough pill to
swallow because I really am such like a lover girl.
Like I just want everyone to like be in harmony and like, I,
I totally feel like like in Atlantis or wherever the fuck I
was, we didn't live like this. Like we didn't live in
competition. We didn't live in fear.
We didn't live in all this. So it's like coming back here
and I'm like, wait, what do you mean everyone hates each other?
What? What do you mean?
Like it's so disheartening. Right.
Yeah, it is, It is. I lost I, I had like a 12 house
year last year. So I'm in my first house here
now, but I had my 12 house here. Do you know much about like
astrology? Hey, yeah, so I took a whole
college astrology course under the sky named Night Light
Astrology. So he teaches like an online
it's basically a college course like his own program.
But I did that in 2020 and 2021 and I use Astro gold like the.
I use Astro Cafe. Gotcha, so Astro gold is
something you actually pay for download onto your computer?
Oh, cool. OK.
Really cool because you can do a progression chart on that.
You can do a transit chart on that.
Like there's so many things you can do.
But I read whole sign houses so I know some people do Like what
is it like Platycus or whatever is the other one.
I have AI have like a private astrologer who actually we work
with them now. So we have our sinistry reports
are done by our astrologer that does all of my personal
astrology's. They've been doing astrology
readings for I think about 15 plus years.
And my friend was like, get an astrology report and I was like,
what all is going to be said? And like the way that they can
read me to Phil based off of my birth chart.
I, I was blown away. And I'm like a very spiritually
open person. But even then I was like, what
do you mean? You can tell by my chart that
like this week, I'm more likely to get like a cut or a bruise or
like, like the stuff that they picked up on and read was so
crazy, so crazy. I was like, I didn't even know
you could. I didn't even.
It was so accurate it it blew my mind.
It blew my mind. So I, I got my year ahead from
them and all of it was so accurate.
It was very, very and it was good information to know, you
know, it was very good information to know.
And so far everything that they've predicted with it has
come true. But yeah, I had a 12 house year
and that was, that was my first, that was when I first like, that
was my first time learning about houses and house years.
So I didn't even know that was like a thing.
I didn't know what I was buckling up for.
But for those of you that are listening that don't know what
12th house year is, it's the year of endings basically.
Yeah, it's a shadow year. It's like it's been a.
Year, I lost so many of my friends.
I moved two different times. I moved.
I moved from Reno to Vegas to California.
My partner of one year passed away.
Everything that could have, everything that was like, not
meant in my life went away. Like it was like the rug got
completely pulled off from under me.
And it was probably one of the roughest years I've had in a
long, long, long, long long time.
But it did open the doors for new opportunities.
My business did start like growing exponentially after
these people, places, things that weren't meant for me left
my life. I did like it opened.
It opened up the door for so many new opportunities.
My business started booming like right after that.
But really it was like my biggest fears, my biggest things
that I never wanted to have to deal with, I had to deal with
last year. And it was, it was rough.
It was really, really hard, but I grew from it a lot.
So it's like, I'm thankful for it.
And I'm, yeah, I have mixed feelings about it.
I'm like, it sucks that I had to go through everything I went
through last year, but like, on some level I'm grateful for it
because at least I like, I'm like, let me try to at least get
something out of this. Let me at least try to grow from
this and learn from this, you know, so I get something out of
this. Last year was just fucking hard.
Like I had been on a celibacy journey and I had sex one time
and I got pregnant and like thank God I had a miscarriage.
Thank God I love spirit, I love babies.
I would love to be a mom, but this was not the right person,
not the right time, not a good time.
And it was literally like on 4th of July, I just hooked up with
like my high school boyfriend. We had sex one time.
We didn't speak again for three weeks.
And for those next three weeks I was like, I'm fucking pregnant.
I can tell. I know I'm pregnant.
I'm so scared. I know I'm pregnant and I'm 33
years old. So like at the time I was just
like you're you're, you're tripping and you're not
pregnant. I took a test before I even
could put it down. It said pregnant on it.
Like, Oh my God. It was immediately the black
line and you're like. It was, it was like 8 weeks of
hell. Because honestly, I am normally
a very positive person. I'm a very grounded person.
I'm a very just a glass half full person.
But something about being pregnant as a female in this
world and in this current state of things, But I was so scared.
I have never been so scared. Now I see why moms live in fear.
Like now I see and understand the term of like watching your
heart walk around outside your body.
And I'm like, whoa, like financially secure, my
foundation good to go. My mental went fucking AWOL.
And I'm telling you, it was such a transformational thing because
you're sitting here and you're thinking about this life that's
about to happen. And then it kind of like the rug
got ripped out. And then I was like, I sat in
the grief and I sat in like the anger, but it was more so such a
humbling experience that really all it does take is one time
they were not lying about that, you know, like the one time
thing actually is real. So I was just like, wow.
Like, it really helped me activate and connect deeper to
my like, dark goddess. And like, the internal part of
me that has rage and anger and like is fucking pissed off at
men and like wants to just uproot a lot of people from this
earth, you know? Like, I really tapped into that.
And I was like connecting with the Hindu goddess Durga, which
is like a destroyer goddess. And I was just really feeling
like how all these old versions of me were being destroyed.
And now I've been back on my celibacy journey for a year.
But now it's like, you really are going to have to like come
to the goddess with an offering or you just don't even have
access. Like there's no more like half
in half out energy in my life. And I do think that it does take
traumatic ass shit to teach you things that help you grow and
help you be the best version. And I know like when I bring up
the miscarriage, some people are like, oh, no, I'm so sorry.
And I'm like, no, it was the best thing ever.
Because for one, until it happens to you, you don't
realize the depth of what could happen.
And it shocked me back into reality.
I can kind of understand that it sounds horrible, but my partner
passing it set me free because he was not to, like, dig on him
because he's passed, but he was cheating on me really badly.
And I didn't know until after he passed away, you know, and he
was taking advantage of me Like he was, you know, definitely not
a healthy person, not someone who is ready for a relationship.
And I was like, very anxiously attached.
And, you know, when he passed away, it kind of was like, it's
still hard. I still grieve him, obviously,
but on some level I am like, OK, I was set free.
It was kind of like a curse was being lifted a bit because like
my friend was like, it's horrible.
But I'm glad that you at least didn't get pregnant before that
all that happened and all that went down.
You know? I'm glad that you didn't end up
moving in with him before all that happened and all that went
down. And I think like him passing
away, that was when it really clicked with me where I was
like, this was not a healthy relationship.
And like, what am I doing? Why was I, why did I tolerate
this kind of like mistreatment from someone for so long?
Because I tolerated so much mistreatment because I loved him
so deeply. And like, I think it really
clicked with me that like, you need more than just love to have
a healthy relationship with someone.
You can love someone to the end of the earth.
And that doesn't mean that it's a healthy connection for you.
And I think that was like a very hard pill for me to swallow.
It kind of slapped the lover girl out of me a bit.
I'm not gonna lie where I'm like, OK, now I view
relationships and I'm like, no, me just being in love with
someone is not enough for them to be my partner.
Like I, you know, does that kind of make sense?
So it totally makes sense because, like, me and this guy,
we dated when we were 14. So something about your brain
just changes when you date people when you're young.
So, like, he was always, like, a revolving door.
But like, at least if I didn't have real connection, I could
have that nostalgic connection. Right.
And so I get it. Like, that was a curse.
Like, having his baby would have been a curse.
Yeah. Like Spirit Strike came to me
and was like, you broke a generational cycle by healing
from this, by not falling into the trap of the situation.
So no, I completely get it. Like love and attraction is what
we're taught to focus on, but it's like this person is going
to be my emergency contact. Do I trust them enough for that?
Like. You would not have been a good
emergency contact. Yeah, like, do you see those Tik
Toks that float around? And it's like, this is my
emergency contact. And he's like fucking wave
boarding and paddle boarding and like skydiving.
And like, it's just like he's doing all these crazy risky shit
and they're like dot, dot dot. And this is my emergency
contact. Some of them are funny and some
of them I'm like girl. I'm.
Scared for you. Some of them I'm like, this is
not, you know, but women just give a lot of chances to men and
we like let a lot of things slide.
And ultimately you have to think, would a man do that for
you? Probably, probably not.
The lengths that women will go to for a man that they love is
different than the lengths that most men will go for other
women. And that's.
Literally like I'm so brainwashed that when I like
support you, I fucking support you.
Like I am ready to help you. I'm ready to build with you.
Like I'm ready to go to the ends of the earth for you, right?
So I have literally learned so much through that experience
because like not only did it go down the way that it did while
we were having the baby, he was right there the moment that we
weren't having a baby, he goes to me and we have never spoke
like goes to me. That's what's crazy about it
because then like he'll pop up places, but like it's never in
direct contact with me where like in the past I would run
into him in the past, I would see him on social media or like
just in general. And I've been reading a lot
about like the invisible string theory, the red string theory,
like you're not going to meet a person till you're meant to meet
them. And when you learn a lesson with
someone, you will never see them again.
Like you're done. You've you've learned the
lesson. And I think that's so
empowering. Like that's what's healed me
through this because I'm like. Past life connections no longer
entice me if you're not helping me grow in this life.
Like I don't need unresolved past life shit with you coming
up in this life. Like you're distracting me.
I think the biggest lesson I learned was appreciation for
life. I think I was taking a lot of
because this is the first time I had someone young die in my
life. You know, I've had like
grandparents pass before and that's not like that's not a
kicker because it was like he was sick for a very long time.
You know, it was almost for a long time with my grandpa.
I was like almost just being like, I'm so ready for you to
pass because you're just in so much pain and it's just your
time and you're ready to go. When it's a young person that
passes unexpected, it's such a different kind of grief because
it's like, hold on. I wasn't ready for this.
Like this can just happen at any point in time.
And it made me realize like, I'm like, whoa, every single person
in my life, including me, can just be gone like this.
I need to appreciate every moment I have with the people I
love in my life. I'm doing a podcast.
Love you. I agree though, like at the end
of the day, life is so fleeting. Every experience is so fleeting.
And you know, when we go through difficult times or we
breakthrough the walls or the barriers, like it does teach you
a lot about yourself. And you spoke on fear earlier
and I was reading a book or I, I heard this somewhere and it said
that courage is only cultivated in the face of fear.
If you don't ever have any fear in your life, you're never going
to cultivate courage. You're going to cultivate
complacency. And that changed my whole
perspective because so many women go through battles alone.
And I know men do as well, but like, as a woman, we're
supporting women right now. Like we go through silent
battles. So like me being really open
about the things I've went through and you as well help so
many people that like, it's just mind blowing.
Like the especially the silent supporters, the people who have
never booked, the people who never have shown their face to
either one of us are literally cheering us on, rooting for us.
And that changed my perspective on like friendships in general
because I know strangers who want better for me than people
that were in my life. And it's like, you got to go.
You just got to fucking go. It is true, it is true, and it's
just a sad part of life where not everyone has good intentions
and not everyone's a good person.
Everyone's capable of being a good person, but everyone is
also capable of being a horrible person and you have to make the
choice every single day to be a good person.
You have to make that choice every single day.
Yeah, like I have a really bad thing about like I hate when
people litter and I kind of like did a counter curse.
Like if you litter every time you throw something out of your
window, you will lose $100. I don't care where you lose it
from. You will not have $100.00.
So if you throw 10 things out, guess what?
Thousand gone back taxes hitting you fucking pest control at your
door. You know, like whatever it is
like I am really big on like counterbalancing things that
stress me out. Like it really stressed me out
when people litter and I'm very, very much like, you will rot
because you are littering like every day.
I want to just like say some crazy shit on Facebook about
people who litter, but I I refrain because I'm like
energetically, I've already set the intention.
These people will be broke and miserable.
Like that's all they'll be. Well, that's the craziest part
is littering is like you're, it's an act where you're harming
other people, but you're also harming yourself.
Like, you know, we, I don't know, I hate the way we treat
this Earth. Breaks my heart.
It really breaks my heart because I'm like, you guys
realize we only have one Earth, right?
Like we only have one earth. And like we need the Earth more
than the Earth needs us. Yeah.
So what are we doing here? Why are we, why are we treating
our Earth this poorly? It's it's tough.
It's hard. You know, I think like fast
fashion was like a big thing that was like a problem.
And I think that again goes into like just consumerism and just
people, a lot of the fast fashion, I'm like, no, find your
own style. Find a style that you love and
you'll and you'll never go out of style.
You don't need to like be buying $700.00 Sheen carts every month
to feel complete. And if you are, you need to take
a step back because ultimately, like this is filling a gap.
This is filling some sort of gap and it's never going to be
filled. It's never ever going to be
filled. You know, that makes sense.
Yeah, like as someone who has been a consumerist and has
really done exactly what you're saying, not like following
trends, but just feeling like I need to fill a void.
Like I'm very much like a maximalist.
Like every all the way up to my ceiling.
Like there is stuff everywhere but now I'm making.
My room is pretty decor too so I love.
Decor. It's like the the teenage poster
wall to the millennial collage wall, the long stretch there.
But yeah, you know, like, I really do think that we're just
taught to fill the void with stuff.
I love material, like, not in a way of like, I think it
completes me. I just love art.
I just love lamps. I love mirrors.
I love ornaments. I love crystals.
Like, I just like those things. But I'm also like Venus and
Taurus sun and Taurus, you know, Moon and Libra like and it's
funny because my mom's a Libra sun and a Taurus moon.
I'm a tourist sign and a Lieberman.
So we're actually day and night opposite like day and night.
And so like I've learned a lot from my moms mistakes of like
racking up debt, buying shit you don't need, buying things that
are going to get repossessed or like foreclosed on.
Like I am so particular about paying off debt.
Like I had my student loans paid off 4 years ago.
Like I will not sit around with debt.
It bothers me, it irks me. I don't like it.
I am like a credit queen. Like my credit score is like
8:30. If I pay something off, it goes
down. It does not go up.
They just dropped my shit four points because I've almost paid
off my house. But with that being said, like
that's what's important to me. Like I like stuff, but only at
the expense that I can actually own it, use it, and appreciate
it. I got away from like just
getting on Sheen and adding things to the cart.
I do have a life hack for all the the people listening.
I go to a website, I create a new account as if I'm a new
user. Even if I bought, I add a shit
ton of stuff to the cart and I leave.
You'll get a 30% coupon by the end of the evening, promise you
just happened. Just did it with Fashion Nova
the other day. Never shop on Fashion Nova, but
I needed a festival shirt and the shirt said good girls go to
heaven, bad girls go backstage. And I was like, this is just
perfect for a festival. And so I was looking.
I added a bunch of stuff to the cart, made sure I was signed in.
Left abandoned cart. 30 minutes later, 30% off.
Not only did they e-mail it, they texted it.
So then I went back and got $45.00 off my order and got what
I wanted. So like I'm really meticulous
about how I do things but add to cart, sign up, abandoned cart
that is this. I never knew that.
I never. Knew it's different I just got
well I got at least once a month will treat myself to something
like a purse or shoes nothing crazy like I bought 2 pairs of
Vans they were $30 each like I'm not going crazy but I I like to
eyeball things and then I manifest them getting cheaper or
on sale so there was like a cherry lamp that was $200 and I
didn't want to pay $200 I got it all the way down to 60 and then
I bought it I think it. My room pretty much besides my
bed was free. I pretty much manifested my
entire room love. That I love that you know, I
literally think that I'm the reason that like cherries came
back into reality because like I the reason I started my business
and named it like contrary cherry is because when I was a
kid I had a sketchbook and I sketched out a whole business
model about cherries like. I was obsessed with cherries.
I had cherry everything in the 1st grade of cherries.
I feel like that Y2K that's coming back, like it's like
thriving in my own inner child's like bubble.
Like my inner world is like thriving.
Like when I was a kid, I like love stickers and I loved wall
art or Lisa Frank stuff or whatever.
And I feel like my house is just like a tribute to my inner
child, which is so healing. No, I love, I love nice decord
houses, you know, that like show off your personality.
Like that is really, really cool.
I don't necessarily I understand a lot of people need to buy from
like Sheen. So I'm not even like shitting on
people who buy from Sheen, but I'm like, if you're buying, if
you're constantly just having to buy stuff to like keep up with
the fashion trends, I'm like, I personally just don't think it's
good for you spiritually. It's not good for the
environment. It's not good for you mentally
because honestly, you can never keep, you can never ever keep
up. Whatever your style is, it's
going to be out of style one day and it'll be back in style a
different day. And that's why like, you just
need to find what works for you. You need to find what works for
you. You need to really, this is your
avatar. Design your avatar the way you
like it. Design yourself the way you want
to see some someone you want to see in the mirror everyday.
And ultimately, who gives a fuck whether you look like everyone
else? What's the point in looking like
everyone else? What's the point of being like
everyone else? Yeah, because it's the unique
people like Prince or like Michael Jackson or people in
their era that stood out, that did something differently, that
are fucking legends, you know what I mean?
Like, you don't become a legend by doing it the way everyone
else is doing it. But one of my friends told me
that her acronym for the word witch is Woman in Total Control
of Herself. Oh, I love that.
Like that is really like resonated with me and it's been
in my head for this episode because I just feel like your
outward energy is so like what I want to say, like rooted and
like supported. It really does feel like even
though your name is like baneful Bell, that like spirits really
unsupportive of like whatever you're doing, you know, 'cause
like I've just connected with people and you see this like
version of them on the Internet and then you get on a call with
them like this and it's like, who the fuck am I talking to?
Like you can't even tell. Like I don't feel like it's the
same person at all. I know I think people probably
think I'm a lot meaner than I am, but I'm, I'm actually, cuz
they're like, oh, you've specialized in hexes and painful
magic and I'm like, yeah, but I'm a sweetheart.
Like I just, I'm more like fuck around and find out kind of
thing. So I'm like, you're doing
horrible, horrible things. I don't feel bad for hexing you
because I'm helping someone else.
I'm helping someone else reclaim their power and reclaim their
justice. And if you think I'm toxic for
that, that's fine, That's chill. I'm not the person for you,
that's OK. That's chill of me.
That's not my problem. I'm not here, you know, I'm
doing what feels good for me and that's, that's my business.
If it's not good for you, that's fine, that's your business.
You don't have to be involved. And that's how I, that's how I
kind of feel. I'm very open and honest about
who I am 'cause I want people who don't feel lying to me to
not be a part of my life. If you don't want to be a part
of my life, that's fine with me. That's fine with me.
I'm not offended at all. I can understand I'm not
everyone's cup of tea. I'm completely OK with that.
I feel like we really are like on a mirrored level of that
because I literally said at the beginning of this year on a
podcast episode that if you are doing me wrong, if you are
sending me evil eye harm in any way, that you need to fucking
strap up your bootstraps and get ready for work because baby, I'm
not playing this year. And so I did a family member
who's just like, harassed me, and I've talked about it a few
times, but I did some spells that basically just kind of
transmute and return a lot of that to her and amplify it.
I'd be damned if a fucking tornado does not hit her
neighborhood the same week that I do that.
And her boyfriend's truck got stolen.
So I'm like, baby girl, please don't fuck with me.
Like I could have ripped your whole house out of the roots,
but I didn't because I decided. I don't.
Like harm people. Like, I don't want to be evil
because I know that powers can be used for good or evil and I
know that in past life's I was evil or I have been evil.
I think we're all evil in somewhere, like some way,
somehow, you know, But it's like if you hurt women, children or
animals. I really.
Like fair game. Yeah, fair.
Happens to you like fair. I love that.
I think so many beautiful people such as yourself are like
helping the world heal. So I just want to thank you so
much for coming on and talking with me today.
Everyone listening, you will be able to find baneful Bell's
website, her booking info, her Instagram, her Tiktok, anything
that you need, you'll be able to find it in the description.
So, Bell, is there a message that you want to leave us with
today? Lord, OK, now I'm put on the
spot. Just be yourself.
I'm like trying to think, oh hold on, I'm on the spot, give
me a second, give me a second. Let me think pressure.
'S off, pressure's off. I know I'm like, I'm like, I'm
being pressured right now. Pressure.
Be yourself. You're not ever.
You can't be everyone's everything.
And if people hate you, you're doing something right.
Amen. I love it.
Thank you all so much. We will see you next time in
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