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Welcome to Fucking Candy Land, 
hosted by Rampage and Gemini. 

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Welcome back to Candyland. 
We have a very special guest 

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tonight and of course my 
beautiful Co host Gemini. 

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And we're so excited to bring in
this guest in this perspective 

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of a previous episode that we 
recorded called Home Girl. 

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So if you haven't listened to 
Home Girl, go listen to Home 

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Girl before listening to this 
Gemini. 

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When people usually first find 
our podcast, like I'm telling 

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people about the podcast, I'm 
always like you should go and 

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listen to the episode Home Girl 
because I feel like that's where

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we met and where we like really 
started having like our own 

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dynamic and relationship. 
And then we I met Juber on that 

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trip too and it like it's like 
she Co signed on our love. 

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We had a good time with you. 
Honestly, I'm really glad that 

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the crazy girl home girl. 
We looked all that up because 

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let's throw it all the way back 
to a woman that we knew through 

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our communities. 
We'll just call her home girl. 

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She had the intentions of 
bringing us out to Utah and kept

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asking. 
It's not like we go around and 

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ask strangers, hey, you live in 
Utah? 

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I really want to go there. 
Can I come there? 

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It's not like I do that. 
It's when people are like, Oh my

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gosh, we do so much fun stuff 
here. 

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I mean, like we go out in the 
desert, we ride ATVs, we have 

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fun. 
We. 

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We look at stars, we can look at
the full moon. 

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You know, all these these things
that trigger me and I'm like, 

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these are my happy places. 
Like let's go and out of nowhere

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they bring you out to their home
state and act like a literal 

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psycho. 
But then meanwhile they brought 

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your Co host to your best friend
and your other best friend to 

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the same place, Gemini Juber 
Juber. 

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How do you feel about this? 
I just want to know, Gemini, are

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you triggered by the word ATV? 
No. 

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But as as Paige was talking 
about like, oh like, oh, we do 

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all this type of stuff out here.
You should come out here. 

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I just Remember Me being like, 
saying, you know how to do that.

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I love that you know how to do 
that. 

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And then when she finally lost 
her shit, she was like, and I 

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hate that you say I know how to 
do stuff here. 

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I don't know how to do stuff. 
But the whole time she's telling

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us how she was raised. 
And the tiny, like, Moab is not 

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a big town in Utah. 
That's where we were away from 

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like airports and everything 
else. 

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And like, bitch, you organized 
the fucking trip. 

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So what do you mean you're mad 
because I'm over here like, oh, 

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you know how to do all of this 
stuff that's like, outside of 

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our comfort zone and it's a 
fucking compliment. 

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It's not like I was like being 
rude. 

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It was actually, I thought, 
really cool because like 

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obviously we grew up around like
farms and trees and not any of 

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that. 
I was excited for someone to 

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like, invite me and my best 
friend and then surprise me with

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Gemini, which. 
If you haven't seen the video, 

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you can Scroll down on my 
Instagram and there's a reel of 

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me and you literally shocked. 
Like we have jaws, the same 

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reaction. 
We have the same reaction which 

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is just sealed how close me and 
her are because we were 

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literally shocked when you were 
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When I woke up and the girl woke
me up like it was Christmas 

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morning, y'all like it felt 
wholesome. 

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It was like she was like, hey, 
what are you all doing? 

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I was like sleeping and then we 
just and then she was like. 

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We're cooking or I'm cooking 
breakfast. 

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And I said, OK, I'll be down a 
little bit. 

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She said, I kind of need you to 
come down there now. 

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And I and then we were like, you
want us to come now? 

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And she was like, yeah, so we 
just both got up Like, I was 

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like, OK, we're at someone's 
house and they're telling us to 

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get up. 
I mean, I wasn't sure. 

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And we came downstairs and you 
were there. 

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I was literally shocked. 
I felt like there was something 

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sketchy about waking up in the 
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Like she like it felt rushed and
pushed. 

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Like I need your asses up now. 
But I was like, maybe she's just

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excited that we're here and she 
wants to hang out now, so you 

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know she's being pushy. 
And then I walked down those 

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stairs and I saw your red hair 
and I knew who you were. 

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Not my mouth just dropped. 
I was like, how the fuck is she 

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here right now? 
So I have two things to say 

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about about this so far where we
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So first of all, when I got 
there, when when we got from the

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airport, she told me you guys 
were sleeping and I'm texting 

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Brian and Brians like, you need 
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Like you're going to a state 
that you don't know and you're 

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just being told that your friend
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And so in my mind, I'm thinking 
of like my true crime self. 

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And so I'm like, I wanted to see
you sleep just to make sure 

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that, like, you weren't a 
corpse. 

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And so when she was like, yeah, 
like we can. 

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I was like, I was like, oh, 
they're in this room right here.

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And she's like, yeah. 
And she's like, you can check in

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on them. 
So I opened the door. 

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Both of you were fucking passed 
the fuck out out. 

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And you're like little, like 
whatever sports thing you were 

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wearing or whatever. 
And your mouths are wide the 

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fuck open. 
And I just put on her page was 

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like a fucking cracking with her
mouth open. 

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And I was like, oh, and I closed
the door and went downstairs and

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it was a good like 15 or 20 
minutes that she's like, I don't

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know what we should do. 
And I was like, they can sleep. 

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And she's like, I don't know 
what we should do. 

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And the second thing I wanted to
say is that for you, Juber, I 

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think that what was so fucking 
dope is that you and Paige 

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already, like, had this 
friendship and like, you make 

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plans when you're going to be 
going on a trip and like, the 

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things that you're going to do 
and the bonding time that you're

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going to have. 
And there was not one point on 

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that trip that I felt like I had
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planned together, or that there 
was like a damn, like, I wish 

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Gemini hadn't just, like, popped
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Like we could have planned this.
It was literally like meeting 

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it. 
It felt like we had been 

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establishing a friendship just 
as much as me and Paige had, 

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even though we didn't know each 
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Yeah. 
No, it was immediate connection.

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Immediate like bonding. 
We're here to have a good time. 

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And we were like one person that
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and it wasn't any of us. 
So I need to know, from your 

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guys's perspective again, now 
that we're talking about this 

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again, what type of trip did you
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Like when Home Girl was like, 
y'all are going to be coming out

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here to Utah? 
What was the vibe? 

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What were you expecting? 
I just want to say not that, but

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like the complete opposite of 
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I was expecting more nature, 
more nature, less arguing and 

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drinking. 
I was expecting no drinking 

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actually. 
And I'm not like a hypocrite 

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y'all like I'll drink a little 
wine or a Margarita, but I don't

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go on a trip and think, let's go
to the liquor store. 

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I don't ever go to the liquor 
store like if I neither. 

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He came with it, packed in her 
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That's what I'm saying, though, 
that she's on vacation. 

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She's at the crib. 
She's she's doing her thing. 

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So I think that I didn't expect 
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And that was where a lot of the 
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Not for the reason being, like, 
when you drink, you're not 

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motivated to go on a hike at 
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going to catch like a sunset, a 
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I thought we were like going to 
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desert. 
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do more like journeying and like
show and tell of like this is. 

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Utah, because I've been on trips
before with people that I did 

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not know before that trip and 
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And this girl Amber showed me 
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We went like every direction, 
like 3 hours away from her house

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in two different directions. 
She showed me a lot of really 

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cool stuff. 
We went hiking like we had a 

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good time, you know what I mean?
So my expectation was that this 

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was going to be a really good 
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Someone was inviting me to their
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And this would be like the third
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like that met of a female that 
I've been Facetiming, snapping, 

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talking to non-stop. 
I mean, me and home girl had 

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like 150 days Snapchat streak. 
If I can, you and I have never 

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had a Snapchat. 
Streak a Snapchat, She's streak 

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with her too. 
She had a Snapchat streak with 

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her because we use Snapchat, so 
everybody thinks Snapchat's a 

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red flag can fuck off. 
Because I like Snapchat and 

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that's all I got to say about 
Snapchat. 

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But we both had streaks with 
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Both were talking to her. 
During a group chat, like, we 

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had like all this momentum of 
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Like, I wasn't talking to you 
about it, which is weird. 

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You know that you were coming, 
but I wasn't talking to you 

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about it at all. 
But then you and her also had a 

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thing going where you talked all
the time and she was all excited

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on both ends. 
So, like, I did not expect her 

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to flip out like that. 
And alcohol has to be the reason

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I keep trying to think about, 
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And when I think about it, like,
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before this, I made the joke 
that, like, I put makeup on 

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because last time that I was 
with you fucking hoes, I was set

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up to look like a homeless bum. 
And that's because when Home 

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Girl was having me plan it. 
Like, obviously I'm not talking 

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to you about anything. 
So I'm not like, oh, you're 

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packing 43 fucking outfits and 
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Wow, I better step my game up. 
Like none of this shit was even 

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in mind. 
So she tells me it's a spiritual

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retreat to bring jeans, a hoodie
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hiking boots and let's go. 
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And then knowing that we're 
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and I'm thinking headaches, I 
buy these like obnoxiously 

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fucking bug eye sunglasses and 
they're awful. 

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And all of the pictures, I'm 
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you guys are hella cute and I'm 
like, oh, the only thing I can 

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have to hide up the fact that, 
like, I look like this is these 

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big ass sunglasses that just 
look worse. 

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And then afterwards when I, 
like, say something to Paige, 

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she's like, Oh yeah, I should 
have told you those were not a 

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vibe. 
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Didn't want to be mean and be 
like I had just met you in real 

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life. 
I didn't know you were going to 

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be there. 
You think I'm going to be like 

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the sunglasses? 
You are ugly. 

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I hope so. 
I hope that you're like you took

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me to the. 
We went to the store together. 

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You should have been like baby 
girl, these things cannot be on 

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your face. 
We went to the grocery store and

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know they have sunglasses and 
you could have been like Jim. 

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You need to get a pair of these 
bitches. 

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You can't be walking around. 
I I got that. 

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You weren't embarrassed. 
It's so cool. 

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I know. 
Exactly. 

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What you're talking about, we 
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because, you know, and she's 
rocking a contrary cherry 

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beanie. 
I mean, this woman was acting 

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like a covenant sweater. 
She's got a Covenant Rejects 

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sweatshirt on. 
She's got multiple beanies on. 

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We're all wearing them at one 
point, like we're having a good 

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time. 
Y'all like we're. 

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I think we're being inclusive. 
I brought her presents, I 

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brought her a pair of house 
shoes, All kinds of stuff like. 

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I was very grateful to be there 
and I just thought it was going 

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to be a lot different. 
Like I've never had a grown 

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woman in her mid 30s invite me 
to their home and not be on 

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point when I got there. 
I've had other mid 30 year old 

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woman like friends and people 
like visited and it's been fun. 

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But like if we needed to get our
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have been spoken on. 
If we needed to do all of these,

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things like that should have 
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that. 
She didn't know how to host. 

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She maybe knew how to plan, but 
like the acting it out like less

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planning and more hosting and 
she was just like Buck Wild you 

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all like she was like mad that 
me and Jackie were our clothes 

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were matching or something. 
One day. 

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I don't even remember what it 
was. 

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So let's go. 
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everybody, listening and like, 
for Juba too, for like, 

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recalling things. 
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So we get there. 
We have that moment where, like,

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you guys come downstairs, you 
see me. 

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Uber was just as shocked. 
And I remember being in that 

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moment, like, why is she so 
surprised? 

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She looks excited to see me. 
I don't know who that is. 

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And then so we all like, we pack
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Everything's so good. 
We stop by her friend's house 

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real quick. 
We're all in the car. 

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She goes in to say hi. 
Everything is so good. 

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Her friend comes out and meets 
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She's so excited. 
We're all on our drive down 

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there. 
I don't remember being a single 

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issue. 
I remembered my first red flag 

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was when we were pulling into 
Utah or into Moab. 

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And she made the comments of 
like, we're probably going to 

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see her exes while we're down 
there. 

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Everything that happens on the 
trip, don't be telling her 

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husband when we go back to the 
house. 

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And that's like, that's my first
red flag. 

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What about for you guys? 
That was definitely a road flag.

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What also like also happened on 
the way is when she asked me to 

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drive, yeah. 
She asked me to drive, or she 

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asked. 
She said she was tired of 

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driving and started saying how 
tired she was. 

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You know, she didn't sleep at 
all. 

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She worked a full shift. 
So then it started becoming 

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like, look at all this stuff I'm
doing for you. 

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I'm so tired and like, I'm a I'm
a solver. 

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Like I'm a fixer. 
If you're telling me there's a 

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problem, I'm gonna show you how 
to fix that problem. 

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And then we're gonna move on and
we're not playing victim anymore

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over the problem. 
We're gonna establish new 

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frequency. 
And like, everybody sitting here

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knows that. 
And that's why Jim and I look at

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her. 
My protege, the the queen of the

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cult. 
She's over here popping her 

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shit, But whenever she first got
that reading, I gave her real 

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things that she could work 
through and look at her now. 

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People don't take their advice 
and like, run with it. 

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This first red flag for me was 
when she planned this trip with 

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us 75 days ago, but about 15 
days ago got married and didn't 

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know the man 75 days ago. 
And at this point I've got like 

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a 75. 
They streak with her, which went

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all the way up to like 150, 
which was like several months at

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this point that we planned this 
trip. 

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And you know, I I really 
appreciated the surprise because

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I would only do something that 
extensive for someone I really 

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care about. 
Like I would do that for Jackie 

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or you or like someone that is 
close to me in a way that like, 

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I think they deserve something 
like that. 

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But because I would like, you 
know, I like to send that energy

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out, but at the same time, like 
I would have never done all that

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stuff that she had done. 
There were people I didn't know.

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So that was a little red flag 
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after I, you know, not that I 
was upset, but I was just 

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thinking like why does she, she 
started going in and out of 

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waves that next morning, like in
not being like as friendly as I 

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felt like she was in the 
beginning. 

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So I was like this, this girl 
seems a little bossy or 

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something, but I was just going 
with it and just like whatever. 

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But like when she asked me or 
asked somebody to drive and I 

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volunteered because you were 
like, well, I don't want to 

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drive. 
Jackie didn't need to drive so. 

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So I basically had went ahead 
and, like, volunteered, and then

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she didn't even mention that. 
In Utah, they just don't fix the

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roads and I'm dead ass. 
If you all think we have 

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potholes here, you need to go to
Utah or New Orleans because both

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of them motherfuckers have the 
worst roads you've ever been on.

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This literally said broken 
pavement. 

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They put a sign up that said 
Mother Earth had cracked. 

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They're not fixing it. 
And it was a huge crack. 

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It wasn't just like we're 
driving over roads. 

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Still, this was a crack. 
Really through the road. 

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It was piece of Rd. missing out 
like a chunk missing, and had we

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looked that we would have either
the car could have flipped 

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because that tire would have 
gotten stuck inside of the 

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thing, or the very least we 
would have popped the front and 

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the back tires and fucked her 
car. 

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Not to mention you're driving a 
stranger's car. 

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In a strange place that I I've 
drove in Utah 'cause I had been 

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to Utah the year prior and I 
love Utah and I'll totally go 

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back. 
But this was a totally different

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ball game. 
When she takes you out in the 

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middle of the desert where it 
isn't city roads and it isn't 

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like population a lot and the 
roads are fucked like Mother 

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Earth is just like, well there's
no Rd. here, There's a mountain 

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and it drive over it. 
If you want, you need to have a 

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Jeep, you need to have something
big, you need to have big S Rs. 

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Of course she just drives. 
Like what? 

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I don't know, like a Kia 
something. 

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SUVI don't know it was something
like that, Not sure. 

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I just know it wasn't a big 
truck and I felt like she didn't

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even warn me that the roads 
could be like that. 

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She wasn't even like, OK, well, 
the roads are different out in 

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the desert or yeah, but it 
wasn't, it wasn't the lack of 

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warning, it was the fact that 
when you came up to that spot 

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and you swerved the car, By the 
way, I didn't feel in danger for

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my life. 
Did you feel in danger for your 

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life, Huber? 
No, Not with Paige driving. 

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No, I didn't feel in danger when
but the way that home girl 

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reacted. 
Home Girl's reaction was like 

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you had almost just wrecked her 
fucking car because you are a 

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reckless bitch and how dare you 
be drifting around the mountain.

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She was very passive aggressive 
at that point, I would say, but 

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well, she did snap at you. 
That was like the first time, 

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yeah. 
Another great point that I 

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remember is when me and Huber 
said we had to pee and she was 

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like, we're not going to stop. 
Oh yeah, I remember that. 

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Damn, that's so crazy. 
Because like I forget all of 

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these little details. 
Like I forget that our drive 

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there, the 2nd we got in the car
is when she started commenting. 

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You remember Huber, how she said
that she paid like all this 

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money for the vape pen that she 
had like given me or whatever. 

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And Paige was asking her 
questions and she's like like 30

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bucks. 
And she's like, no, it was more.

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And Paige is eventually up to 
like 70 fucking bucks. 

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And the broad's like, yeah, it 
was around there and I'm sitting

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back here like 70 fucking bucks.
You got me a like. 

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In Michigan, they're 10 for 100 
if anybody's listening. 

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I I was just like Dang friend, 
like you could have hooked me 

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up. 
I'm the only one in here getting

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down. 
You could have made it a good 

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adventure. 
So anyways that's I remember 

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that and I also remember that he
kept on wanting. 

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He kept on saying that he would 
pay for the gas and Paige would 

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be like, no, like we're going to
cash back you right now and so 

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the three of us amongst each 
other would have to like cash 

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back. 
We also one I. 

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Did too, because I wasn't 
letting anybody. 

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We also bought all of her drinks
and snacks like Paige and I or 

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you, like all of us would go in 
and we would go in and buy her 

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whatever snacks and drinks she 
wanted the whole time. 

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She was like, really passive 
aggressive about money and kept 

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saying that we would add it up 
at the end. 

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And I was like, absolutely not. 
I pay for stuff and I like to 

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pay people's way. 
If you get around me, I'll be 

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like, we're going on a trip next
April. 

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They're like where I'm like Bali
and they're and they're like, I 

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can't. 
And I'm like, it's paid for. 

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I'm trying to get Gemini to do 
all kinds of stuff and she's a 

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mommy, so I can't. 
I can't get her to do as much, 

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but you know what you all this 
was like a once in a lifetime 

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thing. 
Us coming together, like in the 

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sense of like a woman we do not 
know brought us together and 

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then we get there and she's 
acting like Texas Chainsaw 

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Massacre driver and she's like 
basically like, I'll wreck this 

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whole motherfucker right now. 
So we we get there right, we go 

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to the grocery store. 
I thought that the grocery she 

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kept branching off and doing her
own thing and she didn't have 

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patience for us. 
The groceries was 222 total as 

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well. 
There was, and then we went to 

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go to the Airbnb and it was a 
fucking tiny house. 

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And I it was a tiny house. 
I was thinking about how. 

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Sorry, no, go ahead. 
See, you just talked about how 

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there was a hot tub and all this
shit like at the house and how 

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like we had fire pit access and 
so then we get there. 

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And the fire pit is just a 
little fucking circle fire pit 

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that got brought up to the porch
that wasn't even there when we 

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got there. 
And the hot tub is like a 

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communal, like apartment complex
hot tub and pool. 

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And I was like, you made me pay 
extra for that. 

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Like I'm not going to go and 
soak in there. 

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And every night she wanted to go
to the hot tub. 

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And I was like, listen. 
I like you guys, Do what you 

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want, but I'm not marinating in 
all those people's juices. 

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I've seen DIY cleanings on 
TikTok. 

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I know they don't fucking clean 
the hot tub. 

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Absolutely. 
No, I I'm not getting in that 

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hot tub where all these random 
people in this tiny little 

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camping community are staying. 
When, especially when next door,

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they had like 30 people packed 
in this one next to us, that I 

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have no feel where people are 
even standing. 

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I forgot about that, getting in 
that hot tub. 

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And I was so mad that we. 
Yeah, that we paid extra for. 

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I'm sorry, what? 
That we? 

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Paid extra for hot tub access 
and we paid extra for the fire 

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pit. 
And we got reminded every single

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fucking night to use that fire 
pit. 

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And we're the only motherfuckers
that used it. 

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She would never sit out there 
with us at all. 

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She'd be like, it's freezing, 
it's cold. 

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It was like, it's basically like
a a crisp kind of spring morning

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or whatever. 
It would heat up, but it wasn't 

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like cold, cold, especially with
the fire pit. 

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It was chill, like with a 
blanket. 

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She'd be out there like I'm 
freezing, I'm going in and then 

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just like constantly hitting her
vape, constantly whining about 

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something, constantly bringing 
up the fact that I don't know. 

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Pretty much anything that she 
was driving, that she was doing 

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all the work that she'd been 
doing, all this. 

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So then Jim and I starts cooking
for everybody because Jim and I 

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likes to cook. 
Her family owns a food truck. 

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She's popping her shit and I was
loving it. 

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I love to be treated like a 
child and be able to like 

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someone cook and and make my 
plate and bring it over and like

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just be really nice. 
It was great. 

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I felt like you were mothering 
all of us. 

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I was having a good time. 
I was enjoying it. 

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Well then she's like. 
Next thing you know, they're 

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upstairs in the loft where 
Gemini and her were sleeping. 

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Keep in mind, there happened to 
be a random butcher knife by 

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Gemini's bed that was under the 
bed that she discovered later. 

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So I don't really know what the 
energy of this case was, but 

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let's just say that that's extra
detail that no one knows. 

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That's a secret detail. 
So there was this knife up there

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anyways. 
But then one night she's like 

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yelling. 
At Gemini because Gemini is 

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serving us and treating me like 
a child or a baby or treating me

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this way and and she doesn't 
understand why I like Gemini's 

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doing all this work and now 
she's been doing all this work 

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and like Gemini's like I'm 
making food for everyone. 

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Like she's justifying She's 
like, you know, no we're having 

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a good time. 
Like we want you to have a good 

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time. 
Like she's trying to defuse this

445
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,600
lady. 
She's all hell bent on vodka, 

446
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,600
acting a fucking fool. 
And then we hear her all of a 

447
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,880
sudden yelling loudly upstairs. 
So then Jim and I start yelling 

448
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,800
instantly, and then like, now 
she's yelling. 

449
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480
So me and Jackie wake up and 
she's like, are they fighting? 

450
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,400
And I'm like, I think so. 
So I opened the door. 

451
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,680
We hear it. 
The girl runs out, leaves, gets 

452
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,720
in her car and just bounces. 
So then of course, Gemini comes 

453
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,600
down. 
She's like, are you all up? 

454
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,800
And we're like, hell, yeah, 
like, that was loud as hell. 

455
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600
And we all laid in our bed 
because me and Juber were 

456
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,840
sharing a bed. 
And, like, she was mad that 

457
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,240
we're we're sharing a bed. 
But The thing is, like, me and 

458
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,760
Juber are the only people that 
knew each other. 

459
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,440
And, like, we've slept in the 
bed together several times, so 

460
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,160
it'd be different. 
Like, there's only three beds in

461
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,960
this motherfucker, you know what
I mean? 

462
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:03,080
Like there's a photo. 
She and I weren't sharing the 

463
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,840
same bed, but we're sharing the 
loft. 

464
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,200
There's only one bed. 
Somebody, one of you was 

465
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,120
supposed to sleep on the small 
little couch instead of sleeping

466
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,200
in a bed. 
Like, what do you mean? 

467
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,480
It was set up as a two person 
room, you guys. 

468
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,560
Absolutely. 
I didn't feel any kind of way 

469
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,560
about it. 
I didn't feel left out any time 

470
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,680
that I wanted to just come on 
into your room. 

471
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080
I come on into your room. 
I think that. 

472
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,520
She did have a personality, 
though, where like, I was very 

473
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880
like, I am just a comfortable 
person of being like, we're 

474
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,440
friends. 
So I'm walking in this bitch and

475
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,800
like, I'm about to see what 
you're doing. 

476
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:40,560
And maybe for her, like, she 
just didn't have the capability.

477
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,360
I think of like, making those 
connections, maybe because she 

478
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,320
was drunk and she was judging 
herself, but she didn't put 

479
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,440
herself into positions of like, 
I'm going to force my friendship

480
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,240
upon you and you know, when you 
feel uncomfortable, yelling 

481
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,640
isn't the solution. 
The next thing, though, is like,

482
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,320
when she came back from all that
and we didn't know she was even 

483
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,480
coming back. 
So, like, Gemini starts calling 

484
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,840
her husband and telling him and 
he's like, well, I could drive 

485
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,720
and come get you all. 
Like I told you, you shouldn't 

486
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,080
go. 
This is bad. 

487
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,840
I knew this girl was crazy. 
Then she discovers there's a 

488
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,280
knife beside her bed and I'm 
like, OK, the universe is like, 

489
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,640
there's something going on here.
I'm like, I'm working through, 

490
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,240
like we're working through big 
stuff right here, Like, you 

491
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,440
know, and I think that is what 
solidified our friendship. 

492
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,360
We can't. 
We went into a survival mode of 

493
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,080
like this girl could leave us. 
US in the desert, in in Moab, 

494
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,240
Utah. 
The only place to get a rental 

495
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640
is for an ATV or for a Jeep. 
And that's it. 

496
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,120
Like, you can't rent a car and 
drive it out of the desert. 

497
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,200
Like you rent something, you 
return it, That's it. 

498
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920
Like, there's no, like, other 
option in the desert. 

499
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,360
And that was fucked up because 
that wasn't just like we could 

500
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,920
get an Uber and like, we can get
out of this situation. 

501
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,080
It was like, Nah, there's no 
Uber, there's no cab, there's no

502
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,440
one driving you out of this 
desert right now. 

503
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,800
And so for Geminas. 
Husband to be close and actually

504
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,920
care, and we didn't have to call
no one back home. 

505
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,760
I was like, it's a good trip and
now I'm feeling safer. 

506
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,080
So then I felt ultimately safer,
Right, Jackie? 

507
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,440
Oh, I felt so much safer. 
OK, so. 

508
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,920
I just, I'm like kind of 
giggling at like going back down

509
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,680
memory lane because I feel like 
that like that argument was like

510
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,560
what caused the trauma on the 
trip for me the most. 

511
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,560
And it was because. 
I so there's so many points to 

512
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,840
this. 
So first of all, I was shocked 

513
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600
that he even started yelling 
because I thought that he was 

514
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,680
sad. 
So when she was upstairs she was

515
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,280
like texting and she was really 
quiet and I thought that she was

516
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,120
sad and so I was trying to ask 
her like, what was wrong. 

517
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,560
And then she just starts going 
off about how, you know, we look

518
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,840
like bad bitches online. 
But then here I am cooking and 

519
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,200
here we are cleaning. 
And so I remember being like, 

520
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,000
bad bitches don't cook and 
clean. 

521
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,800
And that for her was like she 
she probably had this like whole

522
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,120
speech in her mind. 
And then when I was sarcastic in

523
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,000
response, instead of being like,
please don't be upset with me. 

524
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:10,360
She like didn't know how I think
to respond, but I. 

525
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,240
When she had left the first time
because she went out the first 

526
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,560
time and we came downstairs and 
I talked to you guys and that 

527
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,920
was when she was like talking 
shit. 

528
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,080
Her thing was that I was like 
cooking and whatever, and you 

529
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,080
guys wore matching outfits and 
you guys packed super cute and 

530
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,920
she didn't pack cute. 
And we're excluding her because 

531
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,400
we're, I'm making dinner and I'm
serving Paige and I'm like, I'm 

532
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000
making dinner for everybody. 
So. 

533
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
So when she left that first 
time, I came downstairs and I 

534
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,000
talked to you guys. 
But then I called Brian and I 

535
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,160
was talking to him because at 
that point, like, it had already

536
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,760
been like we had yelled at each 
other to the point that, like, I

537
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,600
wanted to fight her at that 
point. 

538
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,240
So then she left right before 
she got her ass beat, which is 

539
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280
what always happens. 
And then so I'm talking to Brian

540
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120
and I'm like, yeah, I'm just 
like, I just can't fall asleep. 

541
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,680
Like that's just so much 
adrenaline. 

542
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Like I'm uncomfortable. 
I don't know if she's coming 

543
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,880
back tonight. 
I don't want to be asleep if she

544
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,120
comes back tonight. 
And so then when she came back, 

545
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,120
it had been a couple of hours, I
didn't say anything. 

546
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,960
I was just laying there and I 
was talking to Brian on the 

547
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,040
phone and she comes upstairs and
she just says like you fucking 

548
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,160
waited up for me and. 
Then I hear so like now I'm mad,

549
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,880
I'm hearing her. 
And then I hear Brian, am I on 

550
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200
speaker? 
Tell her this is a bad idea, she

551
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
should go to bed. 
Just go to sleep. 

552
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Lady like this is not going to 
end. 

553
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,080
And like, so Brian's over here 
in my ear talking to her when 

554
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,720
she's not on speakerphone trying
to de escalate the situation and

555
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,480
now I'm yelling at her. 
And so then when she left again,

556
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,400
she took her fucking keys with 
her. 

557
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
And so all of us were like, what
do we do? 

558
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
And I think she said, like, you 
guys can find your own way home 

559
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,760
or something like that. 
And we were like, what do we do?

560
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,280
When she left and said that, my 
mind was actually blown. 

561
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,920
I was like, you're going to 
invite people across the country

562
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,400
to come stay with you and you're
going to up and leave us? 

563
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,800
It was intense because that's 
when it became real for me. 

564
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Whenever I like, looked at like 
the options we had and there 

565
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,280
wasn't any. 
And I was like, I don't have 

566
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,200
anyone who's willing to drive or
fly across the country all the 

567
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,160
way to Utah and rent a car and 
drive 3 hours out into the 

568
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920
desert from the airport, the 
nearest airport, and come get. 

569
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,160
Me said he would bail me out. 
We talked about that that night,

570
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,680
too. 
These these conversations that 

571
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,680
escalated from like, just a a 
trip that was supposed to just 

572
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,960
be me and Juber. 
And like, I was really glad Jim 

573
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280
and I was there because she was 
making it a lot easier to like, 

574
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,400
like, meditate and understand, 
'cause it was like, well, we 

575
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200
have a backup plan, bitch, and 
I'll punch you in the face. 

576
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,160
And me and Juber were just kind 
of like Jim and I just taking 

577
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760
the lead on this one. 
So then I got on Airbnb, 'cause 

578
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680
these two were freaking out 
about where are we going to 

579
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,520
stay? 
And I just booked. 

580
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Because we had a few days to go 
back to her house after being at

581
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,480
the tiny house. 
So the first night we flew in it

582
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,840
was super late. 
It was probably like 11:30 when 

583
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,880
we landed because our flight got
delayed and then we landed and I

584
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200
guess I don't know what time she
picked Gemini up, but it was 

585
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,000
early, right? 
It. 

586
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Was like 630. 
So she had to drive because she 

587
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,400
doesn't live near the airport. 
Like she said. 

588
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,040
She lives like an hour from the 
airport and we. 

589
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,080
Had to commute back to her 
house. 

590
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Our flight was late. 
She had started a new job. 

591
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,600
She'd met a guy like two months 
ago and married him, like, after

592
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,520
knowing him so that there was 
some red flags in her personal 

593
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,120
life more than like anything. 
And I think that, you know, as 

594
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120
women that are growing and 
things, it is harder to make 

595
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,840
friends. 
So I try to give people the 

596
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,160
benefit of the doubt that like, 
they know what's best for their 

597
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600
own life. 
And if I don't need to get 

598
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
involved, like, you know, I'm 
not going to encourage bad 

599
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,520
behavior. 
But I really didn't know this 

600
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,520
girl well enough to be like, 
wow, Boo. 

601
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,200
That's crazy. 
Like if I don't know where Juber

602
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,720
was, like, I'm marrying this guy
I met 3 weeks ago, then yeah, 

603
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760
I'd probably have to get a lot 
of detector tests. 

604
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,640
But at the same time, like, I 
just felt like, OK, you know, 

605
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
she knows what's best for her. 
I'm not really sure what that 

606
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040
is, but I'm just going to let 
her do her thing. 

607
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,240
And you know, at the same time, 
I think that there was a lot of 

608
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,400
energy with him at home all of a
sudden that, like before, the 

609
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,320
trip wasn't planned. 
Or he hadn't been planned, but 

610
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,600
the trip had been planned. 
The trip had more thought than 

611
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,400
this marriage. 
Oh yeah. 

612
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720
I'd be shocked if they're still 
together and I say that in good 

613
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720
faith, like I don't wish bad. 
Hopefully they're madly in love 

614
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,520
and living their best life. 
But the way that she acted about

615
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160
him was even weirder. 
Like, don't tell my husband 

616
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,600
anything that happens on this 
trip. 

617
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Instantly went and saw a dude 
and was like, yeah, I used to 

618
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,640
fuck him like girl sis, I don't 
care baby, you're like. 35 years

619
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560
old, and that's tacky. 
I do not care. 

620
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Like, I I don't care unless I'm 
hollering at Dude while we're in

621
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Moab and I'm like, wow, he's so 
hot. 

622
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Yeah, that's when you can throw 
in half of him. 

623
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Dude was not cute. 
Very scary. 

624
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Weird. 
I'm not sure. 

625
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Not cute at all. 
See, I never met her husband in 

626
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,040
person, but. 
I saw him on FaceTime like 

627
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,000
because her and I Facetimed and 
I heard like, when she would 

628
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
call him in the car, and I even 
overheard like when she would 

629
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
have him on speaker and she'd be
complaining to him during the 

630
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,720
trip or whatever. 
And he was never anything but 

631
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,320
like nice. 
Like, I just thought that he 

632
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,600
sounded like a really nice 
person and I thought he was 

633
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,320
really respectful, whatever, He 
wanted to support her and her 

634
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,040
things and. 
That's the way that, like, it 

635
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,200
came across. 
So my issue it wasn't even with 

636
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,440
her husband, even though she 
came and she just started saying

637
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,680
the most random stuff about 
their relationship one morning. 

638
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
And was like, like she was 
trying to be open with us. 

639
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360
And that might have been the 
morning after the argument, like

640
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,560
when everybody started. 
Like, no, it was the morning 

641
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,560
after we first got there. 
Do you remember that morning? 

642
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,880
We all kind of talked and we 
were like, you seemed really 

643
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,560
upset last night, like the 
moment, the day that we arrived 

644
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,160
and she's like, I've been so 
tired. 

645
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680
And then? 
We're all sitting there and she 

646
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,920
talked about how they're trying 
to get pregnant and she was 

647
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,320
talking about how her husband 
does all these drug runs for 

648
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,840
motorcycle gangs and like all 
this shit and how his name is 

649
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Dirt and she's Dirt's old lady. 
Dirt's old lady. 

650
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Let's just say that this lady 
definitely. 

651
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,560
Needs therapy on a deep level 
scale and out of all the energy 

652
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,040
and like connection that we had,
she really came in through 

653
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,679
Gemini's podcast. 
And what I think is funny is she

654
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:18,719
said she found Gemini on TikTok 
which led her to me which led 

655
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,800
her to Bunny. 
And I thought that was a crazy 

656
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,120
sequence because then she became
a super Jelly roll and Bunny fan

657
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,880
during all of this. 
And I thought for sure the fact 

658
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440
that she went and got VIP and 
did the mean Gree at Jelly 

659
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Roll's concert that like she. 
He had been around or like 

660
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
actually like liked Jelly Roll 
prior to this. 

661
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,760
So that was something else. 
Maybe that we were bonding on, 

662
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
but no. 
Later, while we were there, she 

663
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,199
tells me that she found Gemini 
on TikTok, which led her to me, 

664
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,679
which led her to Bunny and Jelly
Roll and I thought that was 

665
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:55,480
crazy. 
All I know is I think I still 

666
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,720
got PTSD. 
Didn't you get yelled at one 

667
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:00,680
morning? 
Juber? 

668
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880
Is this for when she said I was 
being too nice? 

669
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Yeah, you fucking nice little 
bitch. 

670
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Never in my life has anybody 
told me that I'm annoyed and 

671
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,800
you're too nice. 
And you're not even fake nice 

672
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,040
like like your your sincerity is
there. 

673
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,400
I mean, I just thought we were 
there to have a good time and I 

674
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,000
was trying to have a good time 
and she wouldn't let any of us 

675
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,760
have a good time. 
That was the most controlling 

676
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,640
that I've ever felt on a trip. 
I felt so controlled. 

677
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:47,760
I felt like I was like 16 and I 
have rules and she made the 

678
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,400
rules and it was that 
everybody's going to be in a 

679
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,520
shit mood. 
Well, no, we weren't in a ship 

680
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,360
mood, though. 
She wanted us to be in a ship 

681
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,000
mood. 
At the time that she would snap,

682
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:07,480
we created a text thread called 
Survivors and this is insider 

683
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,480
information and we're still 
surviving and. 

684
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,320
We're still using it because 
once you bond over death, 

685
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480
because we haven't even got to 
the real near death experiences,

686
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,960
because all of this has happened
already, right? 

687
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,640
All of this has already 
happened. 

688
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,080
And then? 
One day we wake up and she said 

689
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,920
today's the day we're going on 
the ATVI, talked to my dad, I 

690
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,320
talked to my dad and we're going
on the ATV today. 

691
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,360
It's only $300.00 a person and 
we're getting to go for free. 

692
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,520
So you know me like, I'm like, 
yeah, I'm trying to go like 

693
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,600
something that's normally 300. 
I'm definitely trying to go. 

694
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
So basically I decided I'm we're
going. 

695
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,840
And Jim and I was like, I'll 
stay here, I don't want to go. 

696
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,240
You know, it's it's just not for
me. 

697
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,720
It's not working. 
I don't even like things like 

698
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,680
this. 
And so then the lady after 

699
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,560
yelling at us for two days, it's
our last night day at the cabin,

700
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640
the last night at the cabin. 
And then we have like one night 

701
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,840
at her house or something. 
They know it's two nights. 

702
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,880
It was several nights. 
We had the Airbnb for two. 

703
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,440
So it's two more nights that we 
were supposed to go back and 

704
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
stay at her house. 
Three nights at the cabin and 

705
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,640
then the one night of transport,
which Jim and I didn't really 

706
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,120
get, that night of transport 
that we got, but. 

707
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,600
Thank Goddess. 
Needless to say, it was a whole 

708
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,200
mackerel of events and then on 
that third day of Christmas, she

709
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,720
said. 
We're going to go on this ATV. 

710
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,440
It's normally 1200 and we're 
going to go. 

711
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,360
I've been doing this my whole 
life. 

712
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,440
I grew up. 
I had birth on an ATVI, brought 

713
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,480
my 7 year old and I brought my 7
year old and when he was on 

714
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,560
there I would never put my kid 
in danger. 

715
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
I've been doing this. 
This is my dad's company. 

716
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,000
You're going to get to meet my 
dad. 

717
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,880
Her dad was super nice by the 
way. 

718
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,280
Her dad was really cool. 
Daddy was. 

719
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Cool, shout out Daddy. 
It was one of those things and a

720
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,280
little old thing and we did the 
thing and it wasn't. 

721
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,480
It wasn't. 
It wasn't. 

722
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Go ahead. 
I'll let y'all talk about it 

723
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,680
because I, Jackie, got up front.
I mean, honestly, you said PTSD 

724
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,280
earlier. 
I have two moments that I think 

725
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,440
I have PTSD from that trip, and 
that is one of them. 

726
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,000
One out of two right there. 
I mean, I was so honestly, when 

727
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,440
I'm not scared, sometimes all I 
can do is giggle through it and 

728
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,280
you, Jim and I were in the back 
seat giving the fucking best 

729
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,240
commentary I've ever heard in my
entire life. 

730
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,440
That just kept me giggling even 
more. 

731
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,040
So I just, like, laughed through
my fear, because that's all I 

732
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,280
could do at the point in the 
front seat. 

733
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,440
But the fact that we were 
driving, I felt like I was in my

734
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,000
own personal nightmare. 
But yeah, I mean. 

735
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,680
How he didn't die, I don't know.
OK, poor God. 

736
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,840
I'm going to tell the story the 
right way for y'all spill the 

737
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960
beans on the on the climax. 
We're on this. 

738
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
And I'm telling you all you're 
on the side of the mountain. 

739
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,520
You should look it up on 
YouTube. 

740
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,160
It's called the Hell's Gates. 
And there's the Devil's Hot. 

741
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Revenge. 
Hell's Revenge, and there's 

742
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,480
something called the Hell's 
Gates there. 

743
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,440
There's something called the 
Devil's Hot Tub there, and 

744
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,080
there's also something called. 
Now I went, but I'll think of 

745
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,240
it, there's another trail there 
that you can also look up, but 

746
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:32,120
you just look up Moab Utah 
Trails ATV on YouTube and it's 

747
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,720
going to pull up this trail 
because it's like the massive 

748
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,000
main trail he's on. 
And so at the same time that 

749
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,000
there is all of this going on, 
we have a tour guide, but she's 

750
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,040
like. 
Oh no, you don't need the 

751
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,960
goggles. 
Take a blanket. 

752
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,480
You could get some gloves if you
want. 

753
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,520
I'm not getting any. 
I'm wearing sunglasses. 

754
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Like they're basically trying to
give us all this gear that you 

755
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
need. 
You very well fucking need. 

756
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,480
And I should have known better 
to think that I could use, you 

757
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,600
know? 
Sunglasses when you're out in a 

758
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160
fucking dusty, rocky, losing eye
trail. 

759
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,360
I don't know why the fuck I 
believed like that after at this

760
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
point, but at the same time when
you hear someone talking about 

761
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,120
like I literally took my 7 year 
old son on this. 

762
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,520
I've been doing my thing my 
whole life. 

763
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,920
I've never not done this. 
She act like she basically owned

764
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,680
an ATV, but like I know she's 
never owned one, so her dad and 

765
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,440
her uncle own the Tour Company 
in Moab. 

766
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,440
So, like, her people really do 
do it like this. 

767
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Like if her dad was driving, it 
probably would have been 

768
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,280
different, but she had probably 
not drove one in fucking years, 

769
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Y'all. 
And she literally acted like it 

770
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,480
was muscle memory. 
Like she knew this, like the 

771
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,800
back of her hand and the whole 
fucking trail. 

772
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880
I kept looking at the people in 
front of us, 'cause we were in 

773
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,040
the back, so the tour guide 
couldn't see us. 

774
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,880
And these trails, like if you 
swing off to the left too far, 

775
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,680
to the right too far, you're 
dead, period. 

776
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,840
There's not a lot of wiggle room
and there's definitely a level 

777
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,080
of, I would think, expertise, 
but they rent these to anyone 

778
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,360
who has that $300.00. 
These kids in front of us acted 

779
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,600
like they knew what they were 
doing. 

780
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,160
They at least knew their life 
was on the line and they at 

781
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,720
least look like they knew, like 
somewhat. 

782
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,440
But when I found out we got off 
and we took a break that they 

783
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,240
had never drove them before, 
ever. 

784
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,560
I was like, why are we sliding 
everywhere? 

785
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,960
They look like spider monkeys 
and I swear we're sliding 

786
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,920
backwards. 
At one point we slid all the way

787
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,960
down a hill, which was scary as 
fuck. 

788
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,160
And this which had us in two 
wheel drive when you damn well 

789
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,400
need 4 wheel drive and that is 
what you're supposed to have. 

790
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,160
And this which had us in two 
wheel drive for this entire 

791
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,520
fucking trail and this trail 
gets talked about like on like 

792
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,080
the most daredevil podcast, like
the sports, extreme sports. 

793
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,840
This is what the fuck this shit 
is. 

794
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,840
I'm shocked that anyone in their
right mind gives these people 

795
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,400
insurance to allow strangers 
from wherever the fuck drive 

796
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,560
these with a safety waiver. 
Whoever their lawyer is 

797
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,920
definitely like was OJ Simpson's
lawyer, because what the fuck 

798
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,480
that shit is not like just like,
oh, I'm just going to pop my 

799
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,000
shit and do this. 
Like I would have been scared 

800
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
shitless if we would have got 
back there and we would have 

801
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,760
went up that first hill. 
There's nowhere to turn around 

802
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,640
once you're on it. 
It's one way, There's one way in

803
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
it and one way out of it. 
And I think that's what's scary.

804
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,680
That's what really scared me. 
And then when we got to the top 

805
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,320
and literally you can, you're up
in the clouds and we're at the 

806
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
top of these mountains and I'm 
thinking, how the fuck did we 

807
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,440
get up here? 
I was just like literally like, 

808
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,760
I really wish there's a bathroom
up here, 'cause I'm fucking 

809
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,080
scared. 
You're forgetting to mention the

810
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,880
part that it was fucking dark. 
So, so, OK, bitch. 

811
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,880
I didn't want to go on this 
fucking trip. 

812
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,200
I told you guys, I kept looking 
up YouTube videos, The people 

813
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,160
who own the coffee company that 
sponsor me, it's literally named

814
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,640
after Extreme Trail. 
Like it's Lost Trail, it's Lost 

815
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Trail Coffee. 
And they're so they have a 

816
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,040
flavor called Hell's Revenge. 
It is named after that So. 

817
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,120
And one of them used to be a 
tour guide. 

818
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,040
For Jeeping. 
And so I contacted them about 

819
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,720
this thing and they're like, do 
not go on this trail. 

820
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,440
So I'm trying to tell you guys 
like, it's. 

821
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,760
I was like I kept showing you 
YouTube videos and she kept on 

822
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,200
arguing. 
Anybody can go on these. 

823
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680
They let anybody go on these 
like it whatever. 

824
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,920
And so we go there to Pages 
Point, like they're trying to 

825
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,280
give us helmets and goggles and 
gloves, and they're telling us 

826
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,120
to make sure we've got our 
blankets and our coats. 

827
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,840
And she's like, you don't need 
goggles. 

828
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,840
You don't need gloves at one 
point, I don't think she wore a 

829
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,440
helmet. 
She didn't have her helmet. 

830
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,960
And we start on the trail and 
like it was literally the sun 

831
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,480
was going down and she like, 
you're not exaggerating. 

832
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,920
I mean you are about her giving 
birth on the ATV. 

833
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,400
But she is saying like her 
speech to all of us is how, Like

834
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,200
she had her son on these and 
she's like getting annoyed that 

835
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,400
I'm panicking in the back. 
And, like, literally sweat 

836
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,320
through the gloves. 
And I say, me, 'cause, like, I 

837
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,080
understand that you guys had 
your own fears, But in an 

838
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,360
outside perspective, you guys 
looked like you were just ready 

839
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,400
for the adventure, you were 
ready to have fun. 

840
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,560
And I think that everybody was 
handling the traumatic event 

841
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,320
differently. 
And like, you guys were like, 

842
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,520
just along for the ride and 
you're going to just enjoy it, 

843
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
'cause if you're dying, you're 
going to die with a smile. 

844
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,280
And my thing was like. 
You have my life in your hands 

845
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,440
and I want you to think that 
you're the baddest bitch and 

846
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,320
like, be so proud of yourself 
and be doing a good job. 

847
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,280
So I'm in the back seat just 
like you Fucking go Glen Coco. 

848
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Like I'm freaking out back 
there, man. 

849
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,080
It was scary. 
And like honestly, when I tell 

850
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,760
people to look up these trails, 
they're like, holy fuck, that's 

851
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,240
scary as fuck. 
But literally like, there is a 

852
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,760
little bit of everything going 
on and I would have probably 

853
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,600
felt safer inside of a Jeep 
being inside of an ATV, was not 

854
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,600
it? 
I kept like mentally preparing, 

855
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,240
like I kept imagining rolling 
down the side and like mentally 

856
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,800
preparing for, like if that 
happened, like where to like 

857
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,720
hang on to or whatever inside 
because I was. 

858
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120
I was so scared, like these 
rocks were. 

859
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,560
I'm like shaking talking about 
it. 

860
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,200
These rocks were straight up and
down. 

861
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,680
And this was our final night, so
we already knew that she was 

862
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,680
drinking during the day and at 
night, and there'd already been 

863
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,040
that argument. 
And it was just like the only 

864
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,440
reason that I said yes to 
finally going is because it was 

865
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,720
the only way for her to not be 
unhinged with everybody. 

866
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,320
Yeah, she was definitely popping
her shit, but I didn't think 

867
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,320
that it would be like how it was
because she had us in two wheel 

868
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,360
drive and it would have been 
better and safer if we would 

869
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,120
have been in 4 wheel drive. 
So all I can really think about 

870
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,520
is not only did this bitch drink
vodka, she put us in two wheel 

871
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,360
drive and acted like a fucking 
crazy bitch. 

872
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,160
And then afterwards literally 
was like I don't even want to 

873
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,480
tell you all. 
And then after we got back he 

874
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,120
told everyone to take it out of 
four wheel drive and put it back

875
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,960
in 2 wheel drive. 
And then that's when she 

876
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,440
realized she even through all 
the bullshit, she hadn't drove 

877
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,280
one in so long she didn't even 
look at the switch to see if it 

878
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,800
was on or off. 
And obviously none of us have 

879
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Acds or have grown up around 
ATVs. 

880
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,840
I'm speaking for everyone 
because I just assume that they 

881
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,720
gave us an older one because we 
weren't paying and that it was 

882
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,440
slipping like the transmission 
and it was slipping which was 

883
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,720
causing us to slip around. 
That's what I assumed. 

884
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,040
Which would make sense because 
if you rip a transmission out of

885
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,160
something, it's not going to 
pull a boat or like really fuck 

886
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,640
around and pull weight like it 
should, like a truck or 

887
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,600
something. 
So I'm smart with cars and 

888
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,440
that's just what I assumed. 
I was definitely not even 

889
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,800
considering that she had us in 
two wheel drive the whole time 

890
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,360
because I literally thought to 
myself, like, why is this like 

891
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,400
this? 
Because they were slinging up 

892
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,520
that hill and we were falling 
backwards down this really steep

893
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,000
hill. 
Y'all. 

894
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,160
And it's not just a hill. 
You're like on the side of a 

895
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,000
mountain. 
And they're like, oh, these 

896
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,640
things are like, you know, 
they're born to do this. 

897
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,760
That's what they do. 
That's that's all they do, you 

898
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,680
know, That's what she kept 
saying. 

899
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,480
And like, she really gaslight 
us. 

900
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,720
There was rocks. 
Like when I say boulders, I mean

901
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,680
fucking boulders and you're 
expected to go over and under 

902
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,560
and like between and like do all
this crazy stuff and they go 

903
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,080
back there when it's raining 
like it's some scary shit she 

904
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,840
was talking about. 
They go out there under the full

905
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,520
moon and drive out there in dark
time and drink and then come 

906
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,480
back out, which is nuts to me. 
She was telling me how many 

907
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,240
people do, how much like 
partying back there and they 

908
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,880
have parties. 
Remember when she was saying all

909
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,400
that, like trying to say like 
it's safe, like we're out here 

910
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,080
at Pitch Black, Like act like 
she was out there every weekend 

911
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,440
or something. 
And like what's crazy is she had

912
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,400
met that guy and I think brought
him out to Moab, like in between

913
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,520
our trip there. 
So it was like she went back 

914
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,880
there and I just don't think she
really wanted to go again. 

915
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,120
I think she was so anxious to 
take us there, 'cause she hadn't

916
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,720
been there for a while, but then
she takes her husband there to, 

917
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,400
like, show everybody she got 
married. 

918
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Like, that's what I like. 
Another red flag when I'm when 

919
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,120
we're talking about this in 
analytical way. 

920
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,520
Because like, why would you say 
like, I just took brought my 

921
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,520
husband out here and introduced 
him to my dad and all these 

922
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,920
people, but don't tell him any 
of my old friends that we visit 

923
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,240
while I'm here. 
Well, yeah. 

924
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,400
And the people that she 
introduced us to all seemed 

925
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,200
normal, like her dad seemed 
really nice. 

926
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Her friends that owned that 
restaurant were so sweet and 

927
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,360
their restaurant was so 
beautiful and I loved it so much

928
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,440
and I forget the name of it. 
I. 

929
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,320
Got the name of it too, but it 
had the best. 

930
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,560
I gave them a review. 
I did too. 

931
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,880
They were in the restaurant was 
incredible and the food was so 

932
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,360
good and her. 
Dad was really nice. 

933
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,360
Had her dad been driving us? 
Yeah. 

934
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,200
They seem so nice. 
She was just a broken soul. 

935
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,440
What is your theory about what 
happened the night that? 

936
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,760
Fuck. 
What was it? 

937
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,200
I feel like there was something 
with like counterfeit money. 

938
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,760
Yeah, well, she we go in there, 
but she had counterfeit money 

939
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,920
and. 
That's what I thought. 

940
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,320
She's just fucking weird. 
I don't know why she did the 

941
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,800
things she did y'all like it 
just kept getting weirder when 

942
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,880
she had to go make random trips 
to go see her friends. 

943
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,200
And then I was like this is just
doing. 

944
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,560
That's what it was. 
That's what it was with a fake 

945
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,000
$100 bill and said that we fit 
to her and I'm like, no one gave

946
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,400
that you that and then she's 
like, yeah, you did and it's 

947
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,080
fine. 
I'll just take care of it and. 

948
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,560
She went there twice because she
went there and was like, I'm 

949
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,560
going to get a picture of this 
fake, you know, that's what it 

950
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,360
was, was she used $100, gave 
$100 to her friend. 

951
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,160
And then that had been money 
that had been given to her for 

952
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,120
like, groceries or whatever when
we split it. 

953
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,480
And so then she was accusing of 
giving fake money and she just 

954
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,880
wanted to get the picture. 
And then she wanted to come back

955
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,080
and then be like, Nope, I'm 
going to go back there and take 

956
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,440
care of it. 
And I'm like if you're going to 

957
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,960
cheat on your husband, just say 
that. 

958
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,720
Yeah, that's what I feel like. 
I feel like she made that whole 

959
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,960
story up and so she could come 
back and be madder at us and 

960
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,240
have a reason to storm off and 
leave again. 

961
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Y'all every single night this 
girl would storm off and leave 

962
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,520
and then the place that we were 
staying was like a cabin place 

963
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,080
and it was like these little 8 
frame cabins. 

964
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,480
Like they were cute. 
Like they were big enough for 

965
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,520
like 2-3 people comfortably. 
And if two people are having 

966
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,400
sex, they'd be more comfortable 
because like it was like a space

967
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,920
where it was like a couple and 
some kids. 

968
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,920
It wasn't like, you know what I 
mean, though? 

969
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,600
Like two people who were 
together. 

970
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,640
That's what I meant. 
Like a relationship. 

971
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Not like a friend trip. 
This wasn't like. 

972
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,840
You're going to hear everything.
If people are bringing it out in

973
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,640
that little cabin, you're going 
to hear everything. 

974
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Why does it have to be loud? 
It could just be a little Dun to

975
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Dun because. 
It was made of wood. 

976
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,960
It's going to be like, like it 
wasn't like that. 

977
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,480
It was new. 
It was newer. 

978
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,280
It wasn't old. 
It was just like one of those 

979
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:20,040
things that was totally like not
big enough for for grown people 

980
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,200
who don't know each other 
really. 

981
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,960
The kitchen was like 1/2 a limb 
and you know, Jim and I was 

982
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,840
trying to cook like 5 star meals
and stuffed mushrooms and do all

983
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,160
kinds of cool stuff and like we 
were having a good time. 

984
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,640
I thought everybody was having a
good time. 

985
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
So to hear that she wasn't 
having a good time and then 

986
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,200
continue to project that for the
next couple days, I wasn't 

987
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,680
letting it fuck up like my trip,
but she definitely was being 

988
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,880
extra where she was like making 
her presents like the main 

989
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
dominant, like everything's 
about me. 

990
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,640
So then we're we're all walking 
on egg shells because we know 

991
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,720
damn well she can leave us in 
here, but we need her to take 

992
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,720
her, us with her and we can 
leave from her house or we can 

993
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,880
leave from wherever. 
So then we'll go into. 

994
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:03,240
I went ahead and got an Airbnb 
because these were tripping and 

995
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,000
I was like, hell no, I'm just 
going to find one. 

996
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
I'm just going to book it now. 
When we leave here, don't even 

997
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,120
worry about us having to go back
to her house because that was 

998
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,640
both of Y'all's fears. 
Like, Oh my God, we'll have to 

999
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,240
go back to her house if we don't
have somewhere to go. 

1000
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,240
So I was just like, whatever. 
So for about a day and a half 

1001
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,760
before the ATV ride, I knew that
we already had an Airbnb, but I 

1002
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,640
kept it on the lowdown and we 
didn't tell her. 

1003
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,840
And then we went on the ATV and 
she tried to kill us. 

1004
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,280
And then we came back and I was 
like, the last thing I need her 

1005
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,320
to know is like, we got this 
Airbnb tomorrow, like when we 

1006
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,240
leave here that we can check in 
there and that we need her to 

1007
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,880
take us and drop us off. 
Like it was like maybe 30 

1008
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,720
minutes away from her house, but
close to the airport and like 

1009
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,400
not right on top of the airport.
So we could still get some, 

1010
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,600
like, Salt Lake City vibes. 
So basically, I get this Airbnb 

1011
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,000
and on the way, like on the 
like, the next morning we're 

1012
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,360
literally packing up the car and
she thinks we're going back to 

1013
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,240
her house with her for two days.
Like, that's what's really weird

1014
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,600
is that she was about to try to 
take us back to her house with 

1015
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,680
her for two more days and still 
think we're relying on her to go

1016
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,120
to the airport. 
We're about to meet her husband 

1017
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,120
and her son, who's like 11 or 12
years old. 

1018
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Like, that's weird to me. 
Like, you're literally thinking,

1019
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,840
we're going back to your house 
with you. 

1020
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,600
So then that next morning, we 
don't know how to tell her, but 

1021
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,080
we didn't want to wait until we 
got in the car because of how 

1022
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,720
mad she got last time in the 
car. 

1023
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,120
So I was like, we're not going 
to tell her yet. 

1024
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,760
But then Jim and I was like, 
well, like, you know, whatever. 

1025
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,640
What? 
Like, we didn't know what to do.

1026
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,600
So I was just like, everybody 
kind of was doing their thing. 

1027
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,360
And I just walked outside. 
I was like, hey, can I talk to 

1028
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,400
you? 
And just like, hey, I just want 

1029
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,320
you to know that, like, we need,
we're, we need to be dropped 

1030
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,200
off, like at our Airbnb, like 
we're not going to your house 

1031
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,840
with you. 
And she was like, what? 

1032
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,760
You mean I bought all those 
groceries and then, like, went 

1033
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,480
into this whole thing about 
groceries and, like, all this. 

1034
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,760
And I was just like, yeah, you 
know, I was like, I just feel 

1035
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,880
like, you know, we don't want to
be in your, like, we don't want 

1036
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,400
to, you know, upset you anymore 
and we don't want to, like, take

1037
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,680
up all your time. 
We know that you felt like we 

1038
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,800
were, like, wearing you out. 
You know, I know you have the 

1039
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
next two days off work. 
I just want you to, like, be 

1040
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,960
able to rest. 
And, like, I thought that, like,

1041
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,680
it would diffuse because, like, 
why would you want us to go back

1042
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,080
to your house when you in three 
days have told us you were going

1043
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,120
to leave us every single day? 
Then you took us out in the 

1044
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,320
middle of the desert on ATV and 
acted like this was your literal

1045
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:31,400
like like writing with your hand
or reading for you, and you 

1046
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,720
almost fucking kill us. 
And you think you've done fine 

1047
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,400
because we lived, but we 
literally could have just spun 

1048
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,200
off the side, 'cause we are not 
in 4 wheel drive. 

1049
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,360
We're on pavement. 
We're on like Pavement was like,

1050
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,160
no, we're, we're. 
On fucking rocks. 

1051
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,960
Yeah, it was so bad. 
And then fuck, what was it? 

1052
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,400
It was. 
Our plan was for us to still, 

1053
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,000
like, if she still wanted to get
together while we were there, 

1054
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,720
like we all were, like, you 
know, if you want to hang out 

1055
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,760
and do something, that's fine. 
We're just not going to stay at 

1056
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,160
your house. 
Like, we don't want to have to 

1057
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,320
rely on you or we're just going 
to figure it out. 

1058
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,320
We don't want to be like a 
burden anymore. 

1059
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,440
I think, like to me, I thought 
maybe we'll still, like go do 

1060
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,400
dinner with you. 
But then, like, we have, you 

1061
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,440
know, we Uber back to the house 
or whatever. 

1062
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,280
And so when we went out, we all 
went out to breakfast. 

1063
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,880
And at this point, she already 
knew that. 

1064
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,720
You know, we're going to have an
Airbnb. 

1065
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,840
We're all having breakfast. 
I felt like pressure's off. 

1066
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,000
I don't have to go back home 
with you. 

1067
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,240
Now. 
I can just hang out because I'm 

1068
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,320
not feeling uncomfortable. 
And so we were all, like, being 

1069
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,880
nice and just having a good time
and not being weird anymore. 

1070
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,280
And that, like, really upset 
her. 

1071
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,640
And she took that as, like, 
being really fake. 

1072
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,480
And I remember that she waited, 
I think you and I went to the 

1073
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,880
bathroom and then she got upset 
with Paige at breakfast. 

1074
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,400
Yeah. 
She waited till we went to the 

1075
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,040
bathroom. 
To That's what I thought. 

1076
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,040
And then when she she kept 
going, her problem was with you,

1077
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,240
Paige. 
And I think that Juba and I were

1078
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,440
just collateral damage in that. 
I think that she really, she 

1079
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,800
really had a problem with you, 
which is so weird because, like,

1080
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,040
you're the one that invited me 
out here. 

1081
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,960
I'm the one that basically 
insinuated this whole trip. 

1082
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Like if if it wouldn't have been
for me, you wouldn't have been 

1083
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,600
there. 
You know, like you said before, 

1084
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,280
you would have never went there 
if she just invited you to come 

1085
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,720
hang out with her. 
But she was literally like 

1086
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,560
buying all this Coven of Rejects
stuff. 

1087
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,200
She bought several beanies from 
me, but she never booked a 

1088
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,160
reading with me. 
Did she ever book a reading with

1089
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
you? 
I think I got. 

1090
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160
I think, no, I don't. 
I don't remember. 

1091
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,600
I don't think that she ever did.
Actually. 

1092
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,160
I think that she only ever 
bought merch. 

1093
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:41,040
See. 
Like, that's what's weird to me,

1094
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,640
is like, it was like the 
weirdest energy from her 

1095
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,880
because, like, I never actually 
tapped into her energy. 

1096
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Or never really like. 
Asked about any of that. 

1097
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,320
And I thought that was weird, 
'cause it was like, I don't know

1098
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,280
what her deal is or what, like 
what it was. 

1099
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,960
And honestly, like, I mean, I 
invited you, Bert, and then she 

1100
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,720
invited you only because I was 
coming. 

1101
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,640
So it was like, maybe because 
she made the trip all about me, 

1102
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,840
that when I got there she was 
jealous or like feeling some 

1103
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,160
type of way. 
So the invite, the invite came 

1104
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,360
from you and from her. 
So like you guys coordinated 

1105
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,360
this trip or whatever, And then 
both of you invited me to come 

1106
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,520
out there and I told you I'm not
going to be able to make it 

1107
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,280
work. 
And I told her absolutely don't 

1108
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,680
tell Paige. 
Oh, so she didn't plan that? 

1109
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,880
She I'm the one who planned to 
come out and surprise you, but 

1110
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,560
she didn't plan that. 
But she had to, like, organize 

1111
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640
getting me from the airport 
behind the scenes and keep a 

1112
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,200
secret. 
Well, I just always like that. 

1113
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Makes a little more sense, 
'cause I always wondered, like, 

1114
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,960
why did this strange woman want 
to surprise me like that? 

1115
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Like, why did she go out of her 
way? 

1116
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,280
So now it makes sense that you 
asked to do it as a surprise 

1117
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,400
because she invited you to. 
That makes sense. 

1118
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,320
I mean, she just like weirded me
the fuck out. 

1119
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,280
And like after like the first 
time when we tried to defuse the

1120
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,680
situation, after she yelled at 
everyone before the ATV, before 

1121
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,760
the trip really got going. 
And we all sat there that next 

1122
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,200
like afternoon or morning. 
And we're like, how can we have 

1123
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,600
a good day today? 
Like we just woke up and she 

1124
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,120
literally looked at Jackie and 
told her she didn't like how 

1125
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,720
nice she was and was like just 
being really mean to Jackie. 

1126
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,960
So then I got kind of like, 
like, you know, defensive or 

1127
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,480
whatever. 
And it just became like 

1128
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,360
animosity because she never 
really wanted to make it work. 

1129
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,320
It was like she wanted to come 
there and try to divide up our 

1130
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,920
friendship. 
Like she wanted to come there 

1131
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,400
and put us under all this, like,
hostile stress environment to 

1132
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,640
like, break up friendships. 
And like, only women who are 

1133
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,280
miserable do that. 
And we've had several of those 

1134
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,160
women in our life this year, and
they're always, always late 30s,

1135
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,840
early 40s and 50s. 
And I'm sorry, but like, even 

1136
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,160
when I'm 4050 sixty and got 
wrinkles and bags and whatever 

1137
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,600
the fuck I got, I'm still going 
to be a bad bitch. 

1138
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,600
And I'm definitely not going to 
start drama with bitches who 

1139
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,880
have more going on than me. 
I'm going to take some fucking 

1140
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,880
notes, because if my old ass can
be showed up at this point, then

1141
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,360
you need to be humble yourself. 
And a lot of these women, like, 

1142
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,960
have this weird animosity 
because they're like, they start

1143
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,840
out as fans and then they want 
to become friends. 

1144
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,160
Like they're just buying Merge 
or they're doing this or doing 

1145
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,480
that. 
Like, you're not even a client 

1146
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,760
at this point, You're a fan. 
And then you want to act weird 

1147
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,320
and like, honestly, I don't know
what it is, but like a lot of 

1148
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,440
people start getting, like oddly
obsessed with Bunny and they're 

1149
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,360
obsessed with the fact that, 
like, I know Bunny and it's 

1150
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,360
like, it makes them feel like 
because they actually physically

1151
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,760
talk to someone who, you know, 
has her phone number, she 

1152
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,160
actually accepted my friend 
request on her personal page. 

1153
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,080
So fuck all y'all hoes. 
And the next thing is like, that

1154
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,680
was today. 
So it's kind of monumental. 

1155
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,520
But the moral of this story is 
like, I never use that for Cloud

1156
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,680
and I never even ask her for 
anything. 

1157
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,720
So the fact that people, like 
idolize certain situations, it's

1158
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,960
like creates weird animosity. 
And like, never once do I make 

1159
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,440
anyone think that I feel like 
I'm better than them. 

1160
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Like, I'm all about giving 
people the exact tools and 

1161
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,600
resources I used and watching 
you do your thing with them. 

1162
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Because just cause like I did 
this with them doesn't mean I'm 

1163
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,760
going to gatekeep it and think 
that you shouldn't get to do 

1164
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,240
that with your own skills or 
your own potential. 

1165
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,640
So if you know me. 
And you've been around me like, 

1166
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,440
you know that for sure. 
Like I say all the time, Jim and

1167
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,560
I straight doubled my Tick Tock 
followers. 

1168
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,160
And I give zero fucks. 
Like I give zero energy to Tick 

1169
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,840
Tock where that used to be like 
my main thing. 

1170
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,720
But at the same time, like if I 
don't feel it, I don't feel it. 

1171
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,360
I'm not here competing with 
people. 

1172
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,800
They don't get my content if I 
don't feel like making content. 

1173
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,280
So it's like, at the same time, 
a lot of people have lost sight 

1174
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,200
of, like, what it is to be a 
content creator and a fucking 

1175
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,760
human person. 
So like, you can idolize who 

1176
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,120
people are and then meet them 
and be like, OK, they're not for

1177
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,280
me, but you probably shouldn't 
literally invite them out to 

1178
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,680
your home and like, let them be 
across the country from where 

1179
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,200
they live. 
Or you drive your happy ugly ass

1180
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,120
across the country to come visit
and then start shit. 

1181
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,440
Because it's not just one 
person, It's been a lot of 

1182
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,520
people. 
And that's weird to me because 

1183
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,880
I'm, you know, for a fact, like 
a lot of these people were 

1184
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,520
acting like they were having the
time of their fucking life 

1185
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,200
planning this, organizing this. 
Oh, it's no problem. 

1186
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,720
It's great. 
I'm going to drive 19 hours. 

1187
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,400
I'm going to, you know, take you
to Ruth, Chris, You know, those 

1188
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,840
bitches, they say dumb shit. 
But at the same time, it's like 

1189
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,800
why? 
Like you could literally save 

1190
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,400
all your time and energy not 
doing that, not trying to make 

1191
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,560
fake ass bonds. 
This isn't high school. 

1192
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Like you don't fly grown ass 
women to a circle and then be 

1193
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,200
like it's going to be a 
spiritual retreat with vodka and

1194
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,160
like know that they don't drink 
or know that you've watched 

1195
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,800
their Instagram and they always 
are this certain person or you. 

1196
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,640
You know what I mean? 
Like, you need to, like, really 

1197
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,920
think about the expectations 
that you're putting on to a 

1198
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,280
fucking stranger. 
But I do think that it was a 

1199
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,000
really great way for me and Jim 
and I to, like, really lock in 

1200
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,640
our friendship. 
Because after that roller 

1201
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,960
coaster we've had many roller 
coasters we've rode at the same 

1202
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,320
time together with different 
people. 

1203
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,680
And then them saying two stories
to each of us as well. 

1204
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,440
You know, like, I think that's 
what's really cool about that is

1205
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,760
we've already had someone try to
play us like a fiddle together 

1206
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,560
in person like you. 
Internet hoes don't stand a 

1207
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,920
chance. 
Like, I will not give that much 

1208
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,880
energy to this bitch. 
In a way of like, I thank her 

1209
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,640
for that. 
Because now I see how crazy it 

1210
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,960
was that like, she's the third 
woman that I've flown to their 

1211
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,560
hometown. 
The other two were great. 

1212
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,960
Like, I had the tour of New 
Orleans, I had the tour of 

1213
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,520
Phoenix and all of Arizona. 
Like I got to do some cool 

1214
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,400
stuff. 
But some people definitely have 

1215
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,320
I'll intentions and they only 
can be cool with one person at 

1216
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,720
one time. 
Like they don't know how to 

1217
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,840
coexist in healthy friend groups
where multiple people have bonds

1218
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,800
and connections and there's not 
drama. 

1219
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Yeah. 
Did I? 

1220
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,120
Did I seem different from your 
perspective in person versus 

1221
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,200
like who I am? 
You're so you're so much more 

1222
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,720
chill and like, really easy 
going in person. 

1223
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,880
Not that you're not easy going. 
I just think that like, you kind

1224
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,640
of give the world this, like, 
rowdy version of you and then in

1225
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,000
person you're just like, so 
chill and like just like really 

1226
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,080
inviting and mothering and like,
nurturing and like all those 

1227
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,720
things. 
It's like, I don't know, like, 

1228
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,520
we went shopping and I was like,
dressing you. 

1229
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,040
I had like, such a good time 
doing that. 

1230
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,280
I was like, this is so cute. 
And then you were like, Oh my 

1231
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,040
God, I would never wear these. 
And then you're like, those are 

1232
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,760
my favorite thing. 
So, like, I think that was cool.

1233
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,760
Like, I don't know. 
I just think you're a lot more 

1234
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,400
easygoing in person than 
probably people assume about 

1235
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,440
you. 
Because like, although you were 

1236
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,480
willing to, like knock a bitch 
out, that wasn't your first 

1237
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,120
like, reaction. 
And I think some people would 

1238
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,600
think that's your first reaction
versus like you trying to, like,

1239
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,240
work through it. 
Like, once we got to the point 

1240
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,800
where it was like, no, fuck this
bitch you were really, we were 

1241
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,080
all trying to make it work. 
Like we all were trying to like 

1242
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,920
team build and all that. 
And then it just became me and 

1243
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,080
Juber outside, like, what the 
fuck do we do? 

1244
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,640
Like we're we're trying to be as
nonchalant. 

1245
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,080
And really, at that point she 
stopped communicating with me 

1246
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,960
and Juber and only was talking 
to you, the good and the bad. 

1247
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,760
Yeah, I don't know. 
I don't. 

1248
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,800
I don't know if it's like, she 
communicated to me because she 

1249
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,240
needed to keep me like on like 
making it feel like it was on 

1250
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,080
her side. 
Because like, I'm the person 

1251
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,920
that she would have had a 
confrontation with that she had 

1252
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
a confrontation with anybody. 
And I think that's like why she 

1253
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,160
doesn't. 
When she wanted to be direct to 

1254
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,280
you, she wouldn't do it when we 
were there. 

1255
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,440
Because the same way that you 
are with Juber, where you're 

1256
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,640
like, oh, you're not going to 
talk to my girl like that. 

1257
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,040
I feel like over the whole 
situation I was like, just give 

1258
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,160
me a reason. 
So she didn't want to confront 

1259
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,920
me in front of you because she 
thought that you would do 

1260
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,760
something. 
I that I that's kind of my thing

1261
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,760
is like I think that's why I 
also am the only person that she

1262
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,160
really communicated to when we 
were there. 

1263
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,560
Is like that like keep your 
friends close and your enemies 

1264
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:23,560
closer thing? 
Well, I think that it really put

1265
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,960
a lot into perspective for me 
that like, there are people who 

1266
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,600
need to just stay in the like 
Internet arena or like the fan 

1267
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,200
zone. 
And I don't really call people 

1268
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,000
fans, but like being a weird 
supporter with weird jealousy 

1269
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,960
and animosity, giving someone 
money. 

1270
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,960
So then later you can be like, 
oh, I spent $30.00 on this 

1271
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,080
stupid hoodie or whatever. 
Like I'm not really trying to 

1272
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,800
hear it like that. 
Seems very like I wish I had my 

1273
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,560
own clothing. 
Brand.com Instead of like, I'm 

1274
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,160
going to actually take 
initiative and like build 

1275
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:59,680
something from the ground up and
understand my cats are doing. 

1276
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,840
I think you're so. 
You're so sweet that you didn't 

1277
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,600
block her number. 
As soon as we got out of that 

1278
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,920
fucking car at that Airbnb, I 
blocked her number. 

1279
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,480
Well, I just thought that she 
might apologize. 

1280
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,920
But she never apologized. 
Like, she never, like actually, 

1281
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,680
like, thought it through. 
She kind of wrote like a guilt 

1282
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,480
weird message. 
I don't remember. 

1283
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,160
Did she? 
Did she text it to me and say 

1284
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,920
some weird like? 
Yeah, she well she texted you 

1285
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,320
that same day after she got back
or whatever. 

1286
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,040
She group texted you in juber 
and was like Jim and I blocked 

1287
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,480
my number and I was like fuck 
yeah, I blocked your number you 

1288
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,880
crazy bitch. 
Like I didn't want to. 

1289
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,480
Like I'm never going to see you 
again. 

1290
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,400
I swear to God that if you are 
not new to the podcast, you know

1291
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:47,280
I'm very block happy. 
I don't like confrontation. 

1292
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,880
I like it. 
It makes me shake. 

1293
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,480
It makes me uncomfortable and 
not shake because like, I'm 

1294
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,320
scared about it. 
But shake, shake like I get 

1295
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,720
anxiety and all of a sudden like
I have to be keeping myself in 

1296
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,560
composure so that I don't 
respond and act a fool and like 

1297
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,080
match you on your crazy ass 
energy level. 

1298
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:13,560
And I like resolution to 
problems I don't like having to 

1299
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,600
like. 
Pop off about things. 

1300
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,960
And I don't like people feeling 
left out either. 

1301
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,880
And so I know that was a huge 
thing for all of us. 

1302
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,560
Who was like, oh, you like when 
she was yelling at me, We're 

1303
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,000
like, you know, the next 
morning, OK, well, you must 

1304
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,120
just, like, feel uncomfortable, 
like, feel like you're not 

1305
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,600
included. 
How can you make you feel 

1306
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,840
included? 
What are the things that are 

1307
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,800
making you feel this way? 
And then the response is that 

1308
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,480
you're too nice and it's like. 
So that doesn't make any sense. 

1309
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,920
You feel unwelcome because 
someone's making you feel so 

1310
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,320
welcome. 
How did you feel about that 

1311
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,280
Juver? 
I just feel like it made no 

1312
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,120
sense, but I don't know what to 
do with that. 

1313
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,120
What do you? 
So you want me to be mean to 

1314
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,120
you? 
You're being too nice, but I'm 

1315
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,600
not having a good time already. 
Exactly. 

1316
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,680
So she acted like her problem 
was with juber because she kept 

1317
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,120
trying to pick the weaker link 
and I guess she thought that 

1318
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,640
whenever you were around I was 
too strong. 

1319
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,480
So every time that she would 
like I would be by myself. 

1320
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,160
But like, the weird thing is 
when she went off on me at at 

1321
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,600
dinner or or it was breakfast or
whatever, whatever it was, I 

1322
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:23,880
don't even remember what she 
said. 

1323
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,720
Because when people speak out of
out of turn or over tone, I just

1324
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,399
black out. 
And that's why it's dangerous. 

1325
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,040
Like, that's why it's dangerous 
because now I'm only assessing 

1326
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,120
energy, 'cause I don't hear a 
word you're saying, 'cause I'm 

1327
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,279
like, not going to absorb 
people's programs. 

1328
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,359
I'm not going to let someone 
tell me who I am when I know 

1329
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:46,200
damn well that I'm not this 
person, or I'm not in it for 

1330
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,200
money or I'm not shady, or I'm 
not stingy or a mean girl or any

1331
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,000
of those fucking little gas like
things people want to say. 

1332
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,960
Like I don't intimidate people. 
You're intimidated. 

1333
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,640
There's a difference. 
There's a difference of me 

1334
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,880
intimidating you and me. 
Like, wanting to, You know what 

1335
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,439
I mean? 
Like I'm sorry you're not doing 

1336
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,120
enough. 
I'm sorry you're not happy with 

1337
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,720
yourself. 
I'm sorry that you're drinking 

1338
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,240
every night and letting negative
spirits overtake your body. 

1339
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,040
I'm not sure. 
I'm not sure. 

1340
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,200
But I just know that it was 
Saint Patrick's Day portal and 

1341
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,160
this bitch thought she was going
to try to kill my vibe. 

1342
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,520
And no, you ain't. 
And know the fuck you ain't. 

1343
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,479
And you know what's crazy is 
like, before that, the universe 

1344
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,560
kept like kind of being like, 
Are you sure you want to do that

1345
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,120
kind of thing? 
Like, it wasn't even like, am I 

1346
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,760
sure? 
But I guess, like, I was feeling

1347
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,880
your excitement and unknown 
energy. 

1348
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,160
So then I started feeling like 
something was wrong or like that

1349
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,439
I shouldn't go. 
Almost. 

1350
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,479
It wasn't like I shouldn't go, 
but it was like I just went 

1351
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,520
through that really bad trip in 
February to Detroit, where I 

1352
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,439
almost died. 
You can see the episode around 

1353
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,960
this time last, like earlier 
this year, February, literally 

1354
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,040
like almost got in Detroit, went
to an Airbnb that was a trap 

1355
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,120
house that was like, Miss Lee 
LED like AI photos of the house 

1356
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,400
with hot tubs and everything 
attached. 

1357
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,960
And you know, it was kind of 
like the same thing this girl 

1358
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,360
did, but I just never saw what I
was paying for. 

1359
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,960
I just sent her the money 
because I trust people to do the

1360
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,360
right thing. 
Like, I trust people to, like, 

1361
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,520
be honest because I'm an honest 
person. 

1362
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,120
So like when all this transpired
and it just was like a fucking 

1363
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:26,080
nightmare, there was like no way
that I ever in my life, like was

1364
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,400
taking it personal. 
Like even when she was trying to

1365
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,920
like gaslight me or go off on me
like I was taking this as like, 

1366
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,880
you're miserable, you are 
unhappy, you just married 

1367
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,280
someone that you're in the love 
bombing phase, He has nowhere to

1368
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,160
live now he's living with you. 
Like it makes sense, trust me 

1369
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,280
why this man loves you so much. 
But The thing is, is like, I'm 

1370
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,720
not saying that you can't fall 
in love and like and make it 

1371
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,200
last, but I do feel like some 
people do it for the wrong 

1372
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,200
reasons. 
And some people start getting 

1373
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,760
like, a certain age and think 
that that means they need to, 

1374
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,600
like, settle down before they 
get old or I don't know, 

1375
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,520
whatever the fuck people do. 
So it's like, I don't know what 

1376
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,880
her mixed emotions were, but I 
feel like it was a lot of 

1377
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,920
personal stuff that she was 
going through and she was like 

1378
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,800
projecting all of that. 
And then she like, didn't want 

1379
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,080
to leave her husband because he 
probably fucked someone in their

1380
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:17,480
bed. 
Dirt's old lady. 

1381
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,880
I mean, anybody whose nickname 
is Dirt, Dirt, or my like, we 

1382
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,720
used to know a guy, used to know
a guy that they called him Dirt.

1383
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,240
I just spilt my water, 'cause he
needed to get clean. 

1384
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,880
They called him dirt and he did 
not shower, he did not brush his

1385
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,040
teeth, he looked like dirty, and
that's why they called him dirt.

1386
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,080
So I just can't imagine that 
anybody's whose nickname is Dirt

1387
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,720
in a biker gang that you're 
pulling bitches. 

1388
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,680
You know, I kind of hope he did 
fuck someone in their bed, 

1389
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,000
because at the same time, she 
definitely probably fuck 

1390
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,440
someone. 
She she for sure, at least one 

1391
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,800
person, but I think 2. 
While we were down there, 'cause

1392
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,680
I think that it was the the guy 
who said that he had got 

1393
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,200
counterfeit money, which is just
a fucking lie. 

1394
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:12,760
And then also the guy that she 
saw at the restaurant that used 

1395
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,760
to be her old fling or whatever,
because he texted her, because 

1396
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,200
he told us she told us that 
night that he texted her and was

1397
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,640
talking. 
About I would fucking do this 

1398
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,880
and that to you. 
And she was like, Oh my God, and

1399
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,320
I'm like, bitch, you're married.
Like, what do you mean? 

1400
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,880
And there were multiple times 
when we were on that trip and I 

1401
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,880
remember, like both of you 
making a comment about it to me 

1402
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,480
afterwards, that I'd have to be 
like, you're married. 

1403
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,920
Like we don't do Like, what do 
you mean? 

1404
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,920
I thought that so many times in 
my head too, about her. 

1405
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,880
You're married. 
She didn't act like. 

1406
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,640
So but during all this, so like 
all this, like shit is 

1407
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,520
happening, but at the same time,
like we all really were so good 

1408
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:03,480
at putting that off to the side 
and like having fun anyways. 

1409
01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:06,200
Like that. 
Like like we all had a feelings 

1410
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,600
about that while it was 
happening, but like on the other

1411
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,360
end of that we genuinely had 
such a good fucking time 

1412
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,720
together. 
Yeah, honestly, like I had a 

1413
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,160
really good eye opening 
experience, but I had a good 

1414
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,000
adrenaline experience bonding 
Jim and I was cooking bomb ass 

1415
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,600
food. 
She bought enough seasoning, 

1416
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,480
like the point like she took it 
home in her suitcase, 'cause I 

1417
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:27,040
was like we can't throw all this
away. 

1418
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,120
Like we need all this. 
We spent like $40.00 on 

1419
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,000
seasoning. 
But you know, I think like once 

1420
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,320
we got all the food going and 
then she never really ate. 

1421
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:42,840
She was just like running on 
monsters, cocaine, her vape pen 

1422
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,080
and vodka, maybe a little OJ, 
maybe had once more. 

1423
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,720
Did she make s'mores with us 
that night? 

1424
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,920
I don't think she ever came by 
the fire. 

1425
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,600
She didn't make it, she didn't 
make s'mores. 

1426
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,880
She sat out there for about 5 
minutes that night and then I 

1427
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:05,160
feel like that's when the. 
I got to go because so and so 

1428
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,120
has counterfeit money and that's
when she left. 

1429
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,400
That was that night after she'd 
only been sitting out there like

1430
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,880
5 minutes. 
She definitely went and got her 

1431
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,120
poo Tang. 
Wet, gross. 

1432
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,760
Like a cat and he. 
That's disgusting. 

1433
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,120
I just listen. 
I just feel like that is I can't

1434
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,800
do the knot. 
No loyalty. 

1435
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,680
Didn't have loyalty to friends, 
Don't have loyalty to dirt. 

1436
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:36,240
The fact that she had in her bio
dirts old lady and the fact that

1437
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,720
she took wedding pictures in a 
contrary cherry beanie. 

1438
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,880
You can't erase those memories, 
baby girl. 

1439
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,600
You wore my lime green beanie in
your wedding pics in your 

1440
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,160
afterwards 'cause I think she 
had a dress on, but then didn't 

1441
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,720
she change it? 
I think she wore a dress for 

1442
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,960
like 5 seconds. 
She did a She did a covenant 

1443
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,440
reject sweater and a contrary 
cherry beanie in her wedding 

1444
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,880
photos. 
You're locked in. 

1445
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,320
So it's Old Lady's wedding for 
life. 

1446
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,120
So. 
That's fine. 

1447
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,920
Keep us in your memories, honey,
because you're fucking grained 

1448
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,000
in ours. 
It's scary how people like have 

1449
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,240
no regard for others, especially
grown women who would like just 

1450
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,800
not put themselves in that type 
of position and less basically 

1451
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,200
invited and then kind of, like 
enticed. 

1452
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:22,440
It was just, like, a really 
crazy story that I think 

1453
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:24,200
solidified mine and Jackie's 
friendship. 

1454
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,000
Because at this point, we'd only
been hanging out for like 3 to 

1455
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,240
four or five months, tops. 
Like, we'd known each other 

1456
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,360
longer than that. 
But we started hanging out. 

1457
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,520
Yeah, we just started hanging 
out. 

1458
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,360
Like maybe in October or 
November of last year or 

1459
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,960
somewhere around in there, 
'cause my mom, when we did those

1460
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,720
vision boards, it was like in 
December. 

1461
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,920
And we wouldn't have just done 
that if we hadn't hung out more 

1462
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,240
'cause you met my mom. 
Yeah, we've been hanging out 

1463
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,320
probably like just like a year 
now. 

1464
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,120
And we'd known each other and 
she'd been on the Patreon like 

1465
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,240
all that, But we just bonded. 
And you know, when you do 

1466
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,120
readings for people every month,
and then, like, I could actually

1467
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,760
see her in person and we were 
doing things together, it just 

1468
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,760
kind of really kept our bond 
locked in. 

1469
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,560
So, you know, we had just 
started hanging out like a lot, 

1470
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,800
though. 
That was our first trip 

1471
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,880
together. 
That was the first time. 

1472
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,240
And now we've been on several 
trips. 

1473
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,560
We went to Vegas for her 
birthday. 

1474
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,040
We went to Michigan for my 
birthday. 

1475
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,920
Like it wasn't us. 
It was this home girl two point 

1476
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,360
O. 
And what's crazy though is like 

1477
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,080
that happened in March and then 
in April we had several people 

1478
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,280
go berserk inside of our 
communities. 

1479
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,760
Like really having an all out 
girl war between like old ass 

1480
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,040
people who should be old and out
of these stages. 

1481
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,280
Like once you're over the age of
25, you got to grow the fuck up.

1482
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,560
I don't care who the fuck you 
are. 

1483
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,640
I don't care what your mom did 
to you, your dad did to you. 

1484
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,320
I don't care what happened to 
you at all. 

1485
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,600
I don't. 
Because if you are 25, it's time

1486
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,480
to grow the fuck up. 
You don't get to do drugs all 

1487
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,040
the time, You don't get to drink
all the time. 

1488
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,480
You don't get to act like a 
fucking idiot. 

1489
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,080
So when people are like 
3537424549, I'm like I have 0 

1490
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,280
tolerance for it. 
Like 0. 

1491
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,240
Because like once I hit 30, I'm 
on a whole new scale and I don't

1492
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,120
let people bring trauma into my 
life. 

1493
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,360
When I was in my 20s I didn't 
know any better. 

1494
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,560
But now that I know better, 
you're not going to come fuck 

1495
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,000
with my head. 
And you're definitely not going 

1496
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,720
to hurt myself esteem because I 
feel like that's what she was 

1497
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,120
trying to do. 
She was trying to, like, draw a 

1498
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,760
wedge and make you think I was 
using or that I was doing like 

1499
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,480
all this stuff. 
Meanwhile, she don't even know 

1500
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:21,880
that I didn't paid for an Airbnb
out of my own pocket. 

1501
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,040
So everybody would calm down. 
Yeah. 

1502
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,240
And then tell Jim and I had to 
raise her credit. 

1503
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,920
Now she's got all the credit and
popping her shit. 

1504
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,440
But this girl just wanted to 
start drama. 

1505
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:32,960
When we were over here 
networking. 

1506
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,120
We were we were supposed to make
content. 

1507
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,480
We were supposed to, like, 
record doing this. 

1508
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:38,880
And we didn't get to do none of 
that. 

1509
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,320
We could have recorded the 
podcast in person had it been 

1510
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,880
like a chill environment. 
And it wasn't whatsoever. 

1511
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,280
We could have went live 
together. 

1512
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,560
We could have made reels. 
We didn't do none of that. 

1513
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,640
Y'all We went into straight 
survival mode. 

1514
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,080
We went into the survivors chat 
on Snapchat so she couldn't see 

1515
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,960
it, so she wouldn't know that we
were texting each other because 

1516
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,240
that's how scary it was. 
Because we thought if she left 

1517
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,960
us now her husband has to come. 
Jim and I's husband has to come 

1518
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,840
from Idaho to like the desert to
come save us. 

1519
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,160
Like that's fucked up. 
My theory is that had I not gone

1520
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,760
on that trip though, I think 
that we would have met anyways 

1521
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,680
because I think that I would 
have had to come and get you 

1522
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,080
guys in Utah. 
Like I don't, I don't think that

1523
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,680
the way that and I mean that 
like I think that either way we 

1524
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,880
were going to end up meeting on 
that trip and it was either 

1525
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,160
going to be like that or it was 
going to be all together. 

1526
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,240
You think that she would have 
got us out there and been really

1527
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:36,520
mad at me and Jackie? 
I think that she would have. 

1528
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,440
Treated you both like your weak 
links and I think that both of 

1529
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,760
you inside of those like 
situations where she was being 

1530
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,080
really confrontational, you guys
were quiet and not that, like 

1531
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,400
that's just your personalities. 
But I think that she would have 

1532
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,840
just thought that she could 
treat you guys however she 

1533
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,160
wanted to. 
And I think that she would have 

1534
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,520
been a lot more unhinged than 
she was, and I think that she 

1535
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,480
wouldn't have had anybody to 
blow up to. 

1536
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,120
Like she did upstairs to me 
about you guys. 

1537
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,720
So she would have just been 
projecting that on to you. 

1538
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,360
And then I think that you would 
have been like, I want to 

1539
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,200
fucking go. 
And if you had told me about any

1540
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,240
of this happening, I'd already 
been on the fucking way. 

1541
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,760
So, and then what was even 
scarier about all of this Y'all 

1542
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,200
is that the person that ran the 
complex that we were renting 

1543
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,480
from was her childhood best 
friend. 

1544
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,720
So, like, even when she would 
act like she was leaving, she 

1545
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,200
would pretend that she was just 
going down to her cabin because 

1546
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,360
she lives there full time. 
So that was even weirder, 'cause

1547
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,800
it wasn't even like we could 
have went to the place and been 

1548
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,760
like, look, we're having issues,
you know, what are the options 

1549
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,840
for transportation? 
Do you all have any emergency 

1550
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,520
like you know, like connections 
for companies or people that 

1551
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,800
will drive, you know, people out
of the desert in need of that 

1552
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,880
information? 
Like there was like, no, even 

1553
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,240
like going there and seeing if 
we could like get another spot. 

1554
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,320
Then she started trying to act 
like she paid extra for certain 

1555
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,760
things that we know. 
We sent her the money that she 

1556
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,480
asked for. 
And it's just like really 

1557
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:06,400
strange to me to be telling 
people you got a discount but 

1558
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,000
not even telling them what you 
paid, but then giving them an 

1559
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,280
amount and then later saying 
it's not enough. 

1560
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,760
It wasn't enough that she paid 
extra. 

1561
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,760
Like what? 
That's a no for me, Bob. 

1562
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,160
There's so much you all, and we 
just want you to know that we're

1563
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,280
not like this, like in person. 
We were all very supportive and 

1564
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,200
just really wanted to, like, 
have a good time. 

1565
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,600
And it had any moment. 
She'd been like, you know, I 

1566
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,000
have been being a bitch. 
I want to be cool. 

1567
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,760
I'm going to try to do this. 
I'm going to quit drinking 

1568
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,120
today. 
Then I think we could have had a

1569
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,320
good time. 
But instead she was like, what's

1570
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,480
the scariest shit that I could 
do with them while we're out 

1571
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:47,200
here that might maybe make them 
reconsider meeting Internet 

1572
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,120
friends? 
Well, like if I had organized 

1573
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,840
something and somebody was like,
I absolutely do not want to do 

1574
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,120
that. 
Miss me with that shit. 

1575
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,200
I want no part of it. 
I wouldn't then be super pissed 

1576
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,520
off at them and be like you've 
you've ruined the entire trip 

1577
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,000
for everybody, like. 
And that's like the reaction 

1578
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,360
that I got. 
And yeah, I'm I'm so grateful 

1579
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,360
that we got time in Salt Lake, 
just us after we got our Airbnb,

1580
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,600
like we went shopping, we had 
lunch. 

1581
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,800
I remember the 2nd that we got 
in the Airbnb. 

1582
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,120
As soon as we got out of her car
and we locked the door behind 

1583
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:29,720
us, I just started crying. 
I was crying. 

1584
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,200
I think I cried too. 
Actually, I can too. 

1585
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,040
Jim and I was in a room crying. 
And then I went in there I was 

1586
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,960
like, are you OK? 
And then you were like, yeah, 

1587
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,320
and she. 
Was OK, Y'all it was like, it 

1588
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,920
traumatized us all. 
And honestly, I think I was 

1589
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,640
handling it. 
When we got the Airbnb, I was 

1590
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,040
like taking care of everything. 
I got like Jackie running the 

1591
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,480
car and we got the the car at 
the airport and like, it was 

1592
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:57,640
just crazy. 
It was like we dropped our stuff

1593
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,280
off at the Airbnb and then took 
a ride to the airport to get the

1594
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,480
car. 
It was just like. 

1595
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,000
We almost didn't even want her 
to know where we were staying, 

1596
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,160
but we were afraid for her to 
like, drop us off at the 

1597
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,520
airport, like with all of our 
bags and us not be actually 

1598
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,640
flying out. 
Because yes, I did bring like a 

1599
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,520
bunch of shoes and a bunch of 
clothes because like, it's 

1600
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,320
vacation. 
Like when I go somewhere I'm not

1601
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,200
thinking I'm coming to your 
house and this is like normal 

1602
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,800
and you want to wear sweatpants 
all day. 

1603
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,800
But like, how do you say you 
don't like me when we both 

1604
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,600
brought the same black craft 
cult? 

1605
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,440
Fucking sweatpants bitch. 
Like, just cause mine are the 

1606
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:29,960
pink ones and yours are the 
green ones. 

1607
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,680
Doesn't mean that like. 
They're not the same fucking 

1608
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,680
brand bitch, you know? 
Like she was just being extra 

1609
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,640
with everything. 
And the more that you point out 

1610
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,640
that she had a problem with me, 
it does make more and more 

1611
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,560
sense. 
Because honestly, like Jackie's 

1612
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,320
my friend, you're only there 
because of me. 

1613
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,840
Who the fuck are you, bitch, 
besides our chauffeur at this 

1614
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,560
point? 
Because you're acting like a 

1615
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,080
psycho. 
And then you wanted us to treat 

1616
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,960
you like the chauffeur so 
fucking bad that we literally 

1617
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,120
had to end up spending about 
another $700.00 collectively 

1618
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,880
that we didn't expect to spend 
because we had to go rent a car 

1619
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,520
for two. 
Today, So we weren't stuck at an

1620
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,200
Airbnb that totally smelled like
old people. 

1621
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,880
Oh my. 
God, it does smell like old 

1622
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,080
people. 
We did like, yeah, that was 

1623
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,560
definitely not our our choice of
like, that's not the way that we

1624
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,920
wanted things to go down. 
And the amount of times that, 

1625
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,160
like, we all had conversations 
of like, how do we fix this? 

1626
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,360
And like, if you're not feeling 
included, what are we doing that

1627
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:27,160
makes you feel that way. 
And I do think that, you know, 

1628
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,560
she was also really more 
concerned about being on her 

1629
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,040
phone with like her husband and 
other people that I think so 

1630
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,360
many bonding experiences 
happened that she just missed 

1631
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,040
out on and she felt some type of
way about that and she was 

1632
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,200
probably, you know, lost in her 
relationship. 

1633
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,400
But yeah. 
Honestly, even through all of 

1634
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,640
that, I have so much gratitude 
for that experience. 

1635
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,720
I still don't wish anything bad 
for her. 

1636
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,280
I hope that she's doing well. 
I don't think that she's still 

1637
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,360
married, but that's up to her. 
I just think she goes in and out

1638
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,560
of like what she likes and 
doesn't like so quickly. 

1639
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,880
You have no fucking clue what's 
coming next. 

1640
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,760
And as a partner, I could not be
with someone who's like that. 

1641
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,160
If you're if people are like 
that in friendships, they're 

1642
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,120
like that in romantic 
relationships too. 

1643
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,600
They're erratic, they're back 
and forth, you know? 

1644
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,440
And I think that just deep down,
she was like longing for 

1645
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,760
connection. 
And friends and the people who 

1646
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,480
need it the most normally don't 
know how to understand, protect 

1647
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:25,320
or interact with true 
connection. 

1648
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,720
They don't know how to, like, 
actually have friends. 

1649
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,360
And that's why they don't. 
So if you're listening to this, 

1650
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,240
just like, you know, understand 
that meeting people like you got

1651
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,600
to meet them where they're at. 
You're not meeting someone that 

1652
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,320
you develop a bond with since 
you were 12. 

1653
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,440
Like you're meeting a literal 
stranger who you don't know. 

1654
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:42,600
And yes, they're going to be 
different than they are on the 

1655
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,320
Internet, but I would say at a 
core. 

1656
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,560
A lot of people are going to 
like, show you who they are 

1657
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,600
early on. 
I just think that like we only 

1658
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,120
interacted with her a certain 
amount. 

1659
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,040
She didn't like post content. 
It wasn't like she does what we 

1660
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,080
do or like any of that. 
So I think like the most 

1661
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,240
shocking is when we have a guest
on who has like a million 

1662
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,080
followers and they're totally 
different person. 

1663
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,040
Or we meet someone, we bring 
them on, and then like, they 

1664
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,160
steal a bunch of ideas from us 
and then ask us how to do stuff.

1665
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,000
And then. 
Are weird, like, about it. 

1666
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,520
You know, like, so I think 
there's like a bunch of 

1667
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,360
different kinds of people where 
you just don't expect it to be 

1668
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,400
like that. 
But then like a lot of the times

1669
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,360
on the Internet, you know, we're
only posting our highlight reel.

1670
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,120
And I think, you know, sometimes
pictures just ain't enough. 

1671
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:28,840
Plain enough. 
Like if you're going to meet 

1672
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,840
somebody, they better be putting
some videos out there because 

1673
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,640
pictures is not a fuck enough. 
Her house was cute. 

1674
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,760
It was clean. 
It was super like nice. 

1675
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,960
I was really shocked on like how
cute and big. 

1676
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,560
Her house was not in any way. 
I just like know Utah's a lot 

1677
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,280
that kind of expensive in the 
city because there is a lot of 

1678
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,320
desert land and so the cities 
are just, that was a beautiful 

1679
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,160
little house. 
Yeah, so I knew when she was 

1680
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,120
letting Dirk's old truck leak 
oil in her driveway that this 

1681
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,400
bitch was settling because. 
When I saw that, I was like just

1682
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,120
taking a mental note. 
I ain't going to say nothing. 

1683
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,400
I'm just going to take a mental 
note. 

1684
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:06,160
This person also works for the 
government, so like it. 

1685
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,200
You know, you got government 
employees out here acting a 

1686
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,160
fucking fool and handling your 
laws and money. 

1687
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,440
But we can talk about that 
another time. 

1688
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,080
This was really enlightening. 
I think a lot of people will 

1689
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,560
realize like. 
What that other episode was and 

1690
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,560
just how traumatized we were, we
never once really talked bad, 

1691
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,120
but we wanted to like bring 
juber on and kind of bring that 

1692
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,320
other perspective in because 
there were some things I forgot 

1693
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,720
about. 
I know a lot of us, like, maybe 

1694
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,440
have blocked out some of that 
trauma, because what else can 

1695
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:39,640
you do at this point? 
Thanks for coming on and 

1696
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,600
reliving that with us, Juber no.
Thank you. 

1697
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,160
We. 
Are in therapy right? 

1698
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,440
So grateful for everyone. 
We're so grateful for this 

1699
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:55,640
platform to be able to express 
all of our ups and downs in 

1700
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:00,280
life, and we hope you all 
enjoyed the clarity and the 

1701
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,800
famous juber coming on and a lot
of people have heard. 

1702
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,480
Word that name. 
And now you get to put a face if

1703
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:10,440
you're on Patreon and a voice if
you're listening to us on all 

1704
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:13,760
streaming platforms. 
We have a new announcement 

1705
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,360
coming up, a real, real, real 
soon of something that's going 

1706
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:22,160
to be launching in January, 
January 11th, exact. 

1707
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,960
So it's going to be exciting. 
We can't wait to tell you all. 

1708
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,920
And Gemini, do you have anything
you want to say? 

1709
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,280
Nope. 
We love you. 

1710
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:32,080
Bye.