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Let us help you escape your 
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All right, folks. 
Welcome back to Mike and 

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Maurice's mind Escape. 
We have episode number 273 

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tonight. 
We're going to be discussing 

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ancient and esoteric, 
psychedelic, use with our buddy 

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PD Newman, AKA Danny Newman and 
he's been on the show a couple 

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times before. 
After we're done, I'll add the 

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links to the previous episodes 
down below. 

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We did the first episode on his 
book, alchemically Stone, which 

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will discuss a little bit. 
It and then I think, like, last 

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year we did an episode on his 
book that came out called angels

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and Vermillion, which I have 
right here and I don't know what

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else you sent me something else 
to. 

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I don't know what this is. 
I haven't even read it yet. 

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By the way, either, to be honest
with you, that's the the tool 

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Journal of the American 
rosicrucian society and I sent 

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it to you because I've got a 
couple of papers in there, one 

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of them on the role of 
entheogenic mushrooms and early 

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rosicrucian Practice. 
Okay. 

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Yeah. 
So I'm looking forward to 

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checking this out, then I still 
I just found it when I was going

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through. 
And after I read I have a whole 

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stack of books on my shelf here 
next to me, you can't see I'm 

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like oh what's this little 
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And say a little pamphlet, I got
to go through there and read 

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that but I forgot you sent it. 
But yeah. 

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So we're going to talk about all
that you can check out PD's 

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books. 
I have the link down below at 

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the bottom. 
I've also let's see here. 

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What else do we have? 
Or PD. 

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He's got a Facebook group. 
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All the links are there down 
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Just click on them and yeah you 
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Old vet Symposium. 
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We appreciate it. 
So without further Ado, welcome 

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back on the show, Danny how are 
Now, I'm great. 

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Thanks, thanks for having me 
again. 

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I always love talking to you 
guys. 

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Oh, of course, of course. 
So yeah, I think last time we 

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discussed angels and Vermillion 
about John D and the 

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Philosopher's Stone and all that
stuff. 

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But why don't you give people a 
little bit of your background 

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that haven't seen you on the 
show before you're the author of

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alchemically stoned and you also
are a Freemason Just give, you 

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know, give us a little bit of a 
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you got into this, what you're 
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Sure. 
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My my entry to, you know, 
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whole domain was really through,
psychedelics through taking 

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mushrooms LSD. 
I started at a pretty young age.

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I think the first the first time
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a love affair. 
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And it was due to actually 
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taking as teenagers when our 
dose is started, increasing, we 

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started experimenting more with 
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And we started having 
experiences where I had. 

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I mean, as a Westerner raised 
Southern Baptist and you know, 

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Tennessee and Mississippi. 
I had absolutely no frame of 

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reference for what we're 
experiencing and that's Stuff 

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aside for a little while and 
said that I was going to pursue 

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a legitimate system of 
initiation and in the faith that

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somebody knew what was going on 
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If not with mushrooms, at least 
with the territories, we were 

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encroaching upon by taking. 
Those mushrooms, said 2030. 

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Is that dried grams or is that 
what dried G? 

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Yeah, well, that's a yeah, yeah,
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It's steadily. 
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that we would just, we were 
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20 G most I've done like 10 or 
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insane. 
I don't know what I'd be gone 

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forever. 
There's a caveat you got to keep

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in mind. 
These are filled cabs that we're

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picking our self and nature 
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something like penis envy. 
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would get to that place with 
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taking. 
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like but that's what that's the 
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And it was I mean, I think the 
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with my wife and college wasn't 
my wife yet, but I snuck her 

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into my dorm room and we had 
picked all these mushrooms and 

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dry them out in the oven. 
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basically eat them to you, don't
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eating them. 
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them with between chips, like a 
little sandwich, a mushroom 

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between chips. 
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It's a, the flavor is, I've 
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Oh, dude. 
That that smell in that taste. 

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I mean, you can smell like the 
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I don't know. 
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I don't know what you can smell 
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And especially, I mean, look, 
the The more in the past when 

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I've masticated and just chewed 
on them, let them dissolve in my

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cheeks, those have been the best
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thing to leave them in there. 
It's like, oh yeah, I have to 

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say that there hasn't been a 
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that I have not vomited until I 
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you grind them up in and in 
drink orange juice with them 

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lemon there. 
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Man juice. 
And that's what I did. 

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That's the only way I can not 
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I vomit every time I do to I'm a
puker, I get that rocks in the 

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belly feeling, once I exceed 10,
grams and it's, I'm gonna puke 

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every time I try to hold it down
long enough to get it in my 

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system, but you end up puking 
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brown gray. 
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Like like you're an alien. 
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But it was from those 
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try and get involved with 
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And what I turn to was 
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visible here in the South and it
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where I encountered, the famous 
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So humble that we this placed at
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the candidate. 
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this ritual. 
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couple of years earlier 
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DNT from Acacia. 
So I had all these bells going 

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off and whistles and thinking, 
you know, this is impossible. 

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There's no this has nothing to 
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This is just put it out of your 
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I couldn't shake that intuition,
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it. 
And so I just started reading 

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every different version of the 
Masonic degrees I could find. 

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There's not just one version, 
you know, there's they change 

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over time, they change by state 
their different rights that have

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their own varieties of these 
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So I read everything and nothing
seemed to give me any any, any 

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kind of leeway in the end, what 
was going on or if there was 

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anything going on with this. 
But finally, One winter. 

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I think it was in the winter of 
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We were, I was, I was reading 
count cagliostro's Egyptian, 

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right? 
It's called the Masonic 

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magician, the life and death of 
count cagliostro and his 

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Egyptian Rite of Freemasonry And
then there was the first time it

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was over, spelled out that says 
they know that they're drinking 

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Acacia in this, in this Elixir 
and the effect, which he says 

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should result from it is. 
And this is 18th centuries. 

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They have to keep in mind the 
language they have access to, 

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how would they would Express 
this? 

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But he says, so that it will 
raise your Consciousness to 

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understand what he's going to 
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So he's literally saying 
something about expansion of 

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consciousness. and, And that was
it, once I found that I said, I 

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said there's got to be more out 
there that I can find. 

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And, and it was at first, you 
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reference, but when I brought 
that reference that's two grand 

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archivist and Grand historian of
the Scottish Rite, a man named 

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Arturo de Hoyos? 
Absolutely brilliant researcher.

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And I said art, man. 
I think I think they were 

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tripping on DMT at least in 
cagliostro's, right? 

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You know, but I can't tell if 
this was going on in regular 

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masonry and at first he was kind
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going on. 
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that he was in the process of 
translating a masonic. 

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Right? 
From Russia called the right of 

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Nella. 
See? 

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No, my Latino was actually 
cagliostro's contact when he 

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went to Russia. 
So they knew one another and in 

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this ritual he Is basically the 
same thing that the acacia is 

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the Prima Materia or Primal 
matter of alchemy. 

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And from it, you can produce 
this Philosopher's Stone that 

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causes visions and he Compares 
it to the burning coal in the 

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book of Isaiah, which is, when 
Angel places this coal to his 

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lips, like, as if he's smoking 
and and he said, look, I think I

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found something. 
That corroborates what you're 

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saying? 
So I think you're onto something

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and I said, well, then I'm going
to publish and he gave me 

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permission to publish the bit 
from the middle C. 

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Know, right. 
Which had been published yet, it

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was eventually published by the 
What's called the Grand College 

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of Rights, a Masonic 
organization that publishes 

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defunct, Masonic rites and 
rituals. 

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And that's about the time I 
published Alchemically stoned 

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now and now chemically stoned. 
I couldn't do any more than 

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point a finger at the Moon. 
I couldn't do any more than just

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say these guys were doing. 
DMT, I couldn't say how they 

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came to do it, how The Acacia 
got in Freemasonry, or what 

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happened after them, and it 
wasn't until a couple of years 

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later. 
I kind of exhausted the Masonic 

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domain, and these terms and I 
had to take a step back and look

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at it as an alchemical problem. 
Now, The Masonic problem because

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these two people who are you, 
even though they're Masons and 

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they're writing these Masonic 
rituals their Alchemists and 

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they're describing it in 
alchemical turns. 

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So there was a huge learning 
curve there. 

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I had to buy a bought 
everything, that's some print, 

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every alchemical texts 
manuscript commentary and that's

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when it finally clicked that how
it found its way in there. 

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And that's what this is. 
What it angels in Vermillion is 

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about how How this was actually 
something that the Royal Society

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was preoccupied with, they were 
on this mad search for drugs 

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because they they wanted to talk
to angels is as strange as that 

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sounds was a member of the Royal
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Who this man named a sigh 
Coulier who became the third 

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Grand Master of the Premier 
Grand Lodge in London and he's 

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one who rewrote the Master Mason
degree in but that sprig of 

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Acacia in their prior to that 
acacia. 

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Mentioned anywhere in masonry it
was they mentioned something 

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called cassia and its 
significance isn't. 

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But that it Cynthia genic back 
then it was that Cassie has an 

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ingredient that is used in 
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what was happening to the 
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degree, wasn't the future. 
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wasn't it like an olive branch 
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And then it became, it was half 
Sia, Yep. 

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Say that the Myrtle branch is is
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type of the same symbol. 
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the immortality of the soul and 
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degree. 
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innocence and they get that from
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Acacia means Means Thorn. 
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Cortese is Greek physician gave 
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defining characteristic are 
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But the progenitors of masonic 
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meant that they tried to 
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false etymology a cocky owes or 
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immortality of the Soul, which I
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fascinating because it's 
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interpretation. 
This, this drug that causes what

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has many times been described as
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Yeah, no super interesting. 
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there's so many different types 
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I know there's a lot of acacia 
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I know people bring up like 
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and I don't know if this is true
that the acacia trees and near 

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Egypt by like the Giza plateau 
and stuff do not contain DMT. 

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I don't know if that's true or 
not. 

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No, it's not. 
Okay. 

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Mean that claim is not true. 
They. 

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Okay. 
And that was from an academic. 

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Yeah. 
That was from an academic by the

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way. 
So I just that's why I was talk.

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I want to talk to you about that
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little bit more of an in-depth 
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So the the first, the first time
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The word. 
Alchemy is with this men names, 

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all Samosa. 
Pena Palace, who was a? 

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He was a made statues for 
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animated statues. 
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Contrivance has, I mean, they 
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Soul. 
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his job, but he was in 
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he called out kamiya, that he 
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woman named Maria Prophet Isa 
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Maria, the prophetess He 
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that will first, I'll back up, 
he's got a student named Theo 

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Sabia. 
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astrology. 
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she will, she brings them 
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their gods. 
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teaching her astrology. 
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priesthood, number one, they're 
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worshiping fallen angels, and 
he's got to keep in mind is also

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most Has and Gnostic Christian. 
So, he's got this idea of fallen

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angels and he tells her that 
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they're actually giving them to 
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And furthermore, he says, 
astrology is the the mechanism, 

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by which these Fallen Angels 
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Fetters of matter. 
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It's a mechanism of Fate. 
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you're wrong because they're 
teaching me She calls propitious

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astrology, meaning how to do 
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do certain actions and he says, 
elections are not if you use 

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astrology and follow follow, 
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just a meshing yourself further 
and fate. 

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But he says, I have this 
technique of extracting, the 

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soul from matter of separating 
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that's what Alchemy is. 
So, she says she says, I'll I'll

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bite. 
I'll take you. 

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Up on it. 
I'll go and learn from you and 

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see what you have to offer and 
he starts teaching her about 

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Cinnabar. 
Cinnabar is already in. 

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China is an alchemical symbol. 
They used it to teach cosmology,

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how Cinnabar is composed of 
sulfur and Mercury. 

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So they would put it through a 
process and extract the sulfur 

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and mercury, and show how you 
get to from one. 

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They're showing how we get from 
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all of this stuff here. 
And on this plane, we don't know

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where he encountered this or 
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he's using the almost identical 
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about this Cinnabar saying that 
from it. 

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He can extract a certain 
substance and that with this 

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substance is this this 
Philosopher's Stone, you know. 

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And he says things like LED from
Cinnabar. 

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He says lead from copper and 
copper is the same situation. 

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That's what he's doing is 
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the roots the occasion, he was 
working with is this Rich 

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Vermillion color. 
So he's choosing something that 

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is symbol is similar to it. 
And even says this in the letter

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when he she finally says, I 
don't understand what Cinnabar, 

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what these metals have to do 
with freeing my soul. 

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And he says, well, It's not 
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And he tells her that we hide 
this science under the language 

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of Metallurgy because the the 
processes the techniques of 

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Metallurgy are very similar to 
the techniques that we're 

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smelting is very similar to do. 
What we're about to do to 

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extract this Stone from this 
acacia. 

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And The Acacia he's working with
he he he learned from this Maria

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Prophet Isa mama and she she 
didn't leave any writings but he

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quotes some things from her and 
she says to Mary gum with gum 

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and this is how you get the 
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sought-after substance. 
And she says that this, these 

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gums come from the white plant 
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that region and the mountains. 
And Jerusalem, especially which 

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is where she was allegedly from.
They call hearse Maria, the 

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jewess is another name and it 
was thought that that name was 

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given to her because she was 
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but that confusion is part of 
the reason. 

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And will we see that into 
European Alchemy where Moses 

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himself becomes an alchemist for
example in the turbo 

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philosophorum, the oldest out, 
chemical text that made it to 

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Europe. 
So this with the white plant The

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Acacia that grows there is 
called a case shall be de 

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meaning, white Acacia and it's 
covered in these these long 

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flowers tube kind of like 
cylinder flowers that are white.

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And when they when it's In Bloom
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snow. 
That's all you see. 

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Is this white? 
But it's active. 

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It has. 
It has an Indian tea in the 

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roots and that's what Are 
working with, he's constantly 

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talking about the root of this 
substance and later in European 

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Alchemy. 
We have a man, pop-up, who was a

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student of Edward Kelly. 
Whom we talked about in a 

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previous episode. 
Yeah, his name is Jaime Coon 

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wrath. 
Well, Kelly was just so people 

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know, it was Dee's partner. 
Right. 

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He's decent personal scryer and 
he was using this red powder in 

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order to see and communicate 
with angels. 

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Well, he had a student that came
and stayed with him for a little

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while that was also, I believe 
he was for a Time learned under 

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paracelsus or they learn, they, 
they, I think he learned under 

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paracelsus. 
It's, um, Some University but he

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eventually went to stay with 
Kelly and even when Kelly 

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eventually became Rudolph's of 
Rudolf of Prague word off the 

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second, some his personal 
Alchemist as they called it the 

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projector he was there. 
Projector ever, watched 

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kellyanne episode, I did on the 
Codex gigas and psychedelics. 

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No I didn't. 
Okay so I I took the image the 

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first ever known image of the 
devil, which looks an awful lot 

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like DMT entities and I compared
them to the heyoka personal, 

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like art of people that have 
done DMT, you know, report and 

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stuff like that. 
And there's a lot of crossover. 

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So, yeah, I made that guy. 
Did that whole episode. 

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Actually, I found a lot of 
connections between all that 

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stuff. 
Check it out. 

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I'm fascinated by that 
manuscript. 

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But anyways, I want to sing 
cause you brought up Rudolph. 

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He was said to have been so 
enamored by the Codex gigas that

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he wore that one page out with 
the the devil. 

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Like he was fascinated with 
that. 

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So obviously you know you're 
talking about these people being

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familiar with DMT at that time. 
Well, maybe that's why he was so

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enamored by it because maybe he 
had experienced something 

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similar in one of these realms. 
This or something like that. 

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That's fascinating. 
Yeah, I didn't. 

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I didn't know about that 
relationship with the gigas. 

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That's that's interesting 
because it does kind of have 

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that theory, anthropomorphic, 
kind of man. 

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Beast thing that that you see in
Barrett's the Magus. 

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It's what it reminded me of the 
first time I saw it or those 

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demons in the maggots, if you've
seen those. 

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Yeah, there's supposedly, you 
know, there's a lot of other 

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stuff like that or the The guy, 
the hermit, supposedly wrote it,

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I forget his name, something, 
the hermit, I can't remember his

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name anyways, supposedly he had 
written it in one night, but I'm

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thinking, I mean, and actually 
the calligraphy and all the 

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stuff that they've matched up, 
it would take like a lot of 

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years for, well, somebody's 
whole life. 

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But supposedly, he wrote this 
one night. 

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My thought, is he, maybe wrote 
it before and then offered it up

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in something, like, just watch 
the episode. 

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I make a lot of connections. 
Has to stuff. 

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But yeah, I mean that that's 
kind of it's weird because it's 

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kind of going along with kind of
the stuff you're saying right 

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now. 
So yeah, that's really 

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fascinating. 
He so he became the court 

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projector. 
And when Kelly was arrested, 

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Coon wrath took his place as 
this as The Hired Hand of 

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Rudolph. 
So he, it's very probable that 

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he knew the secret of this red 
powder. 

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This Acacia powder and he names 
Acacia also by name. 

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He says that You gotta remember,
Maria said that. 

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There's one plant that to gums 
come from a red gum and a white 

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gum. 
And he says that the white gum 

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is Arabic gum, which is gum 
Acacia. 

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He and then he says, and it's 
the red gum, that is the 

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transformative substance. 
And like I said, Maria says 

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these gums come from one white 
tree as with a white plant so 

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it's very likely that he got 
this from Kelly. 

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And the there, there's another 
Acacia in that region. 

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It'll come to me in a minute but
it's got DMT and the aerial 

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Parts, but it doesn't seem like 
he's talking about that. 

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It seems like zasa most from Saw
cymose on, they seem to be 

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referring to a variety of that's
active in the roots and I think 

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melodicas were active in The 
Roots. 

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That's the famous Egyptian. 
Acacia, that tends to be 

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depicted in art and different 
mythological scenes. 

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Means you see bastet chasing a 
pep into that Acacia. 

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There's one great image of an 
acacia tree with arms. 

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Holding a platter and a picture.
And there are two Egyptian 

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worshippers hold their hands 
out. 

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Drinking the water being poured 
from this Acacia and there's a 

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dzasta MOS. 
He was eventually confused with 

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a Christian. 
Hermit. 

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So it is also most The Hermit 
assist is confused with is also 

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mus The Hermit ends awesome. 
It was from this confusion, that

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one story about dzasta. 
Moses was preserved, we probably

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wouldn't have it. 
If they didn't mistake it for 

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this guy, but he talks about how
he went into this cave with an 

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angel. 
Took him into a cave and they 

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sat down at a tree and they 
drink water from its roots and 

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talked about how sweet that 
water was. 

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And how was the food of angels 
and this idea of the food of 

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angels is Central to this Kelley
claimed that the manuscript that

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he got all this from, is this 
what he called? 

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The book of Dunstan named after 
the Archbishop of Canterbury, he

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was a blacksmith and an 
alchemist and subject to visions

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and he claimed it had been taken
from his grave and there's one 

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00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,300
text attributed to done. 
The survives we don't, he 

446
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,600
probably didn't write it. 
But in it, he's constantly 

447
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,600
calling he's talking about this 
substance, he calls Angels food,

448
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,200
and this Angels food. 
He says allows you to see into 

449
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,500
the future, it allows do to see 
incredible distances. 

450
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600
He said it allows you to 
understand the language of the 

451
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,700
birds which as you probably 
know. 

452
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,300
That's that's a old alchemical 
idea. 

453
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,700
Alchemy is written in the 
language of the birds they I say

454
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,500
also known as the green language
of the birds. 

455
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:14,200
What about? 
So actually we have a question 

456
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,700
here but give me one second. 
I won't get to your question. 

457
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,100
I'll let Shane ask it. 
But I used to follow actually an

458
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:23,500
account on Twitter called zou 
samosas Annapolis. 

459
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,900
And this, I don't know if it was
obviously it was somebody in the

460
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,700
Alchemy and stuff like that. 
But yeah, it's kind of a Rare 

461
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:40,700
that you even hear anybody talk 
about those mous Central to 

462
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,200
Alchemy. 
He if he's, where we got the 

463
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,100
word and you have plenty of 
people Alchemists, and people 

464
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,000
interested in alchemy will say 
that there's not one solution. 

465
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,600
There are different schools of 
alchemy and that's true. 

466
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,500
But in the beginning, there 
weren't there was his school of 

467
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,000
alchemy and he was working with 
Acacia. 

468
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000
So from the beginning, this is 
in entheogenic. 

469
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:09,000
Titian. 
So as far so just to clarify 

470
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,700
though there are DMT Rich Acacia
strands in Egypt and really, 

471
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,900
okay? 
So like I said, I was I forget 

472
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:20,900
who I was talking, I think it 
was Matthew Clark who wrote 

473
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,100
Botanical ecstasies, you know, 
the Ayahuasca analog manuscript 

474
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:32,600
on for Soma Like for me, you 
have those two competing ideas 

475
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,900
of Chris Bennett, who's all 
about? 

476
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,300
Cannabis we've had him on. 
We did it. 

477
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,300
What was so much part 1 with 
them or is Clark is he's his 

478
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,900
claim. 
Is that an Indian variety of 

479
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,800
Acacia, right? 
Was something like like 

480
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,100
Ayahuasca? 
Yeah. 

481
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,900
And I'm say, I was asking about 
the Egyptian because like, 

482
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,300
here's the thing, the, the story
of Osiris the mythology is very 

483
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,900
shamanic being taken to the 
underworld. 

484
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:05,700
Being disassembled then be put 
back together, very archetypal, 

485
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:06,800
shamanic. 
Something. 

486
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,700
You might even see like South 
America and stuff like that. 

487
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:14,200
So I would just say number one 
is very shamanic. 

488
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,500
Yeah. 
Even the, even the motif of 

489
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,200
being chopped up and thrown in 
the Nile, that's almost like 

490
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400
instructions for what you have 
to do to extract the root bark. 

491
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,500
Remember the god, he's trapped 
in the tree. 

492
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,300
And so, the tree is chopped up 
and put in water. 

493
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,600
And you see this on a lot? 
Lots of alchemical manuscript so

494
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,200
where they're standing at this 
tree and there will be a crown 

495
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,800
at the roots. 
One of them, the whole bottom is

496
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,200
covered in water and either 
standing in water. 

497
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,700
So this the roots are submerged 
and it seems like there's 

498
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,200
something to that. 
It's not just accidental, you 

499
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,400
know, if it's possible. 
That is also, most was just 

500
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,800
taking this symbol and saying we
could use this, of course, 

501
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Acacia was already present in 
religion and mythology and 

502
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:03,200
Egypt, but it I mean it's 
entirely possible that this was 

503
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,700
encoded in it from the 
beginning. 

504
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:09,800
I mean, we know that they, you 
know, had blue lotus cannabis 

505
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:16,900
opium, you know, probably even 
some tro pains even if they were

506
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:21,300
taking mushrooms even mushrooms.
I found that glyph from the 

507
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,400
Temple of hathor on the outside 
where they're holding the little

508
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,500
thing with the mushrooms hanging
off at the little clusters there

509
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,200
their pots, they're growing 
mushrooms. 

510
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:34,500
Um did so they they've got, you 
know, they've got some kind of 

511
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:39,300
end and there's no denying the 
way those mushrooms are drawn. 

512
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,300
There are only a few mushrooms 
that grow like that, that have 

513
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,700
that that's very particular 
psilocybin. 

514
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:52,200
Kind of angle to them. 
That all from one point, they 

515
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
look very much like a 
psychedelic mushroom now. 

516
00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,700
I mean, lots of people think 
that's what it is, but Just as 

517
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:02,300
many people who think, that's 
not what it is. 

518
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,400
They're mushrooms, but it 
doesn't mean their psychedelic, 

519
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:10,300
their vote door Hannah graph. 
He and went supposedly, though, 

520
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,800
they would only let the 
Pharaohs. 

521
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,500
Eat mushrooms. 
It was like a, not like a 

522
00:33:13,508 --> 00:33:19,400
delicacy, but it was like almost
like a special occasion that you

523
00:33:19,408 --> 00:33:21,100
would eat mushrooms. 
I haven't heard that, I didn't 

524
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:27,100
hear that, I know, and like, in 
the laws of Manu, you weren't 

525
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,200
allowed to touch mushrooms, they
were, they're awful. 

526
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,900
Emmett, so anything that's 
taboo. 

527
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,100
It's, there's a good chance that
there's something to it. 

528
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,000
Yeah, the pharaohs. 
Like I. 

529
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,100
Hey, this technology. 
I'm only one touching this 

530
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:46,300
technology, you know, right. 
And they pharaohs in the 

531
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,800
beginning. 
They were the only ones who 

532
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,200
were, who got to go through the 
duat, an end, to become a knock,

533
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,900
and go into the with the plate 
in this eventually called The 

534
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,800
noetic Realm, the realm of the 
fixed Stars, where they became a

535
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,900
star, like a constellation, kind
of But they were the only ones 

536
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:10,600
that could do that. 
It was very private eventually 

537
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,199
they it started being extended 
to the Pharaohs family and then 

538
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:21,400
later to nobility and at first, 
they would but it would be read 

539
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,100
aloud to the to the deceased as 
they were being mummified. 

540
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,400
But eventually it started being 
carved in the pyramids were like

541
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,000
with the Pyramid of una's, the 
directions are carved on the 

542
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800
walls and if you if you're 
reading them and you Oh them at 

543
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,100
leads. 
You out up into this, this 

544
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:45,199
angular chamber to and the 
direction of the sky where 

545
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,800
they're this portal is to get on
the what they call the street of

546
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,100
stars which is the Milky Way. 
But once that tomb was raided 

547
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:57,800
and people were able to see that
and read it they wrote it down 

548
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,200
of course so they could do it 
and then it started being it was

549
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,900
still secret. 
They weren't supposed to do it 

550
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:06,000
so they would paint it on the 
inside of coffins. 

551
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,700
And that's when the pyramid 
texts become the coffin texts. 

552
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,800
And there are stairs variations 
in these coffin taxes. 

553
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,300
Anything has very variations 
over time, but eventually these 

554
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,700
get codified into what we know 
as the Egyptian Book of the Dead

555
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,600
like the Papyrus of ani, but it 
starts with just the Pharaohs, 

556
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,000
being able to do this. 
Interesting Shane. 

557
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,500
I know you're the question. 
Go ahead. 

558
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,900
How did the principles of 
alchemy and Freemasonry shape 

559
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,200
each other as they interacted? 
That's a good question. 

560
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,000
So in the beginning masonry was 
a builder's. 

561
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,500
Guild, What that means is, they 
were building houses. 

562
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:57,100
They were building Cathedrals 
and it was very, it was still 

563
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,800
initiatory because everything, 
in ancient times, there were 

564
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,300
rights of Passage to enter you 
into something because you're 

565
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,100
leaving your old life behind and
taking on this new life. 

566
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:11,100
And so, there were already 
initiations in place for people 

567
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:15,300
becoming Masons and they had 
these moral teachings, about 

568
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,500
what the working tools, 
symbolize how to use them in 

569
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:25,100
your character and things. 
But people started claiming they

570
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:29,700
were Masons and they'd say I can
build, I'll build this Cathedral

571
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,100
for you cheaper than that guy. 
And then the cathedral would 

572
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:38,100
collapse on the inhabitants. 
Because of this happening, they 

573
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,900
may and masonry. 
These people are called Cowan's 

574
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,100
and eavesdroppers. 
But because this started 

575
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,400
happening King James, who was a 
mason. 

576
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,300
Gave the Masons the Masonic 
fraternity to the right to meet 

577
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,500
in secret. 
At that time, the only people 

578
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,000
who could meet in secret where 
the church and the king. 

579
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200
So, the Masons now have this, 
right? 

580
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,500
And that made the Masonic Lodge,
become a hotbed for ideas that 

581
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:09,100
you couldn't necessarily say out
loud in public and some of those

582
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:15,400
ideas were things about esoteric
teachings, occult teachings, and

583
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:23,800
we know that the Like, even once
once masonry became speculative,

584
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,100
it was no longer operative. 
They started letting in people 

585
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,500
who had nothing to do with 
building. 

586
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,400
Like Elias a schmoll who was an 
antiquary. 

587
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,600
They let in. 
I believe Sir Robert Murray, I 

588
00:37:38,607 --> 00:37:41,800
believe he got into, he's an 
alchemist with with the Royal 

589
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Society. 
He was the court projector at 

590
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,700
Whitehall, but they started 
letting in these hermetic types.

591
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,800
And this is when Alchemy starts 
creeping in now, or not. 

592
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:56,500
In and around the same time, 
there was something written 

593
00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:02,200
called the Shah statutes kind of
like a code for Mason's to it to

594
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,800
live by. 
An analysis was performed of 

595
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,800
this Shaw statutes with the 
rules for, for rosicrucians, for

596
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
how they should behave in. 
I believe it's in Sigmund. 

597
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Richter's true and perfect, 
preparation. 

598
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,800
It's there are very nearly 
identical. 

599
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Clearly one was copying off the 
other and the one that predates,

600
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600
it is the rules for the 
rosicrucians. 

601
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
And, of course, rosicrucians 
have always been into Alchemy 

602
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
been predefined, predisposed to 
Alchemy. 

603
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:42,400
So it came in that way for sure.
Now, when when psychedelic 

604
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,700
Alchemy started getting into 
masonry, if you read my book 

605
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:50,400
angels in Vermillion you'll see 
a Schmo Liz is involved with 

606
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,600
this red powder. 
He didn't call it a psychedelic,

607
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,500
but he's involved with this red 
powder, trying to talk to angels

608
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:59,800
Robert Boyle, the first chemist 
who invented Boyle's Law. 

609
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,300
I mean, he's looking for this 
red powder. 

610
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:05,700
We got to remember. 
Isaac Newton as a member this 

611
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,000
time, probably the smartest man 
to ever live is a member at this

612
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
time and they're all preoccupied
with drugs if because because of

613
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,700
this red powder and Sir Isaac 
Newton's. 

614
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:20,500
Research assistant was this de 
ceglie, a who became the third 

615
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:23,100
Grand Master of the Premier 
Grand Lodge in London. 

616
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,900
He was also in charge of 
demonstrations alchemical, 

617
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,700
demonstrated, how chemical 
scientific demonstrations at the

618
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,400
Royal Society. 
And so he was a practicing 

619
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,500
Alchemist and he rewrote that 
Master Mason degree to make it 

620
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,300
very reflective of the Osiris 
myth, a my opinion, and the 

621
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,300
opinion of a lot of different 
Scholars. 

622
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:55,400
And from there Alchemy Changed 
it. 

623
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,900
I mean, it the way it looked 
changed the penalties, for 

624
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,300
example, and masonry. 
When we take our, our Oaths were

625
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,800
given penalties that are 
gruesome. 

626
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,800
And of course, they're not taken
seriously, because you're not 

627
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,700
saying that it's going to happen
to you, it's more like you're 

628
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:19,000
inviting this thing upon 
yourself, should you betray your

629
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,500
obligation, but Timothy Hogan. 
He was the first person I know 

630
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:31,900
to to decode those penalties and
show that step by step, it is a 

631
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
process for alchemical 
extraction and those those 

632
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,000
penalties seem To today some of 
this out chemical activities. 

633
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,700
So they they influenced one 
another after de Segovia, got 

634
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:50,100
into the lodge, but gradually 
Alchemy became something 

635
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:53,900
different became, you know, 
people looking for a way to 

636
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:57,100
transmute base Metals into gold.
Now, that that Trope had been 

637
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,800
there very early on, but for 
them, and I believe this for 

638
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,600
them, it was a metaphor for 
transmitting Baseline. 

639
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Consciousness into illuminated 
consciousness Us or the way they

640
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,700
would have said it, making a man
a God, but that that that's how 

641
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,300
how it got there. 
It was a very honest process. 

642
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,800
It. 
Organic process. 

643
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:28,600
Interesting. 
When we're talking about all 

644
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,400
these the symbolism and esoteric
stuff. 

645
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,300
So like now we know through 
science, they can take metals 

646
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:40,900
and transmute them on very tiny 
scale into gold like because 

647
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,000
that's what most people think of
when they think of Philosopher's

648
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,700
Stone. 
Oh, it's there's some 

649
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:50,400
ingredients or some sort of 
compound that will turn anything

650
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,100
into gold or whatever. 
For now we can do that with 

651
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,500
science on like a very tiny 
scale, right? 

652
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,300
But I think it's clear for 
anybody that studies like 

653
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:04,200
Alchemy and these mystery 
schools and spirituality and 

654
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,400
stuff like that that most likely
what was happening is they were 

655
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,900
transmuting via like you're 
saying like a psychedelic 

656
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:15,500
experience, you know, it's 
that's really, you know, being 

657
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,400
able to know that there's 
something more to life, I think 

658
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:25,300
is far more. 
Valuable than just gold, right, 

659
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:31,400
right, right. 
And, you know, that's a, that's 

660
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,700
a classic technique with 
initiatory Traditions to dangle,

661
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:40,200
the carrot, you know, that gold 
is the carrot that that would 

662
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:47,700
bring in the lowest scoundrel. 
And and possibly transmute him 

663
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,100
into something more. 
I think that's part of the gold 

664
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:56,200
thing is 222, a lure people to 
it in the first place. 

665
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,500
And then once you get involved, 
you know, young thought it was 

666
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:04,600
just about projection for 
psychological projection that 

667
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,700
the because this, there's a 
Trope and alchemy that along 

668
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,200
with, you know, it's a 
laboratory process and along 

669
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,800
with the Perfection and creation
of the Philosopher's Stone. 

670
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,600
The Alchemist himself is 
perfected, like they happen at 

671
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,600
the same time. 
Well, it's a lab process because

672
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,100
they're making drugs and it 
happens at the same time because

673
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:25,800
they get to use the drug when 
they're done. 

674
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,000
They put it in their body, but 
young thought it was simply 

675
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,800
psychological projection that 
these changes are happening in 

676
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,700
them by watching, something 
happen in nature. 

677
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,600
There's no doubt that projection
is absolutely a thing, but I 

678
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,500
don't think that's what's going 
on with Alchemy. 

679
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,200
I think Young's interpretation 
as much as I love you. 

680
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,200
Young and think he's verges on a
prophet. 

681
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:51,700
I don't think he did Alchemy and
incredible service outside of 

682
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:55,800
collating, a bunch of references
and quotes that you really can't

683
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,100
find. 
He did the same thing with UFOs.

684
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,200
I mean, I love his book on UFOs,
but he didn't come to a 

685
00:44:01,207 --> 00:44:04,400
conclusion, like their physical 
or non-physical. 

686
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,800
They're just a manifestation of 
everything that was else that 

687
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600
was going on in the world and 
kind of like a mirror of our own

688
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,000
anxiety, but he doesn't actually
say these are physical things or

689
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
not. 
Physical things or, you know, 

690
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,100
anything like that. 
So, it's kind of similar to what

691
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:22,300
you're saying. 
If you've seen a UFO, it's 

692
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,400
pretty freaking up. 
Close, you know, if you've seen 

693
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,800
one within 50 to 100 yards away,
it's pretty obvious. 

694
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,700
It's a thing. 
It's not a hallucination for 

695
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:37,600
anyone, who's hallucinated as 
regularly as I have, you know, 

696
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,100
and I'm not saying I see UFOs 
all the time but I've had one 

697
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:46,000
experience that was absolutely 
inexplicable and It was an it 

698
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,300
was an object, you know, I 
didn't I didn't see anybody in 

699
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:50,700
it. 
Like there were windows. 

700
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,500
I didn't see any, you know, 
quote, unquote aliens. 

701
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:57,700
But there was a thing that was 
absolutely unexplainable. 

702
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,600
You know, and Young's mind 
because it's a saucer because it

703
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,900
is Ram, it's a symbol of the 
self because the circle is in 

704
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:10,700
his system is the indicative of 
the self archetype which is the 

705
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,100
when you have Incorporated, all 
of your projections and kind of 

706
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Not identified with any one of 
them, but sort of transcended, 

707
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,600
all of them into this round. 
Consciousness, but he completely

708
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,000
ignores. 
The, the early ones were 

709
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,900
cylindrical. 
Like the one I saw was 

710
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,000
cylindrical. 
Looks like a long metal hot dog 

711
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,400
or something. 
Like a Tic Tac no longer longer 

712
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,600
than a Tic. 
Tac couple. 

713
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Tic Tacs. 
Yeah, the whole thing about 

714
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,500
young to is that I take, I take 
it a little, I take what he 

715
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,700
wrote and said, and I've applied
it to my own philosophies. 

716
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,700
I think there's a good 
possibility that What we're 

717
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:56,000
seeing when we see these things.
They are symbols or symbolic and

718
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,000
our perceptions are just not 
evolved or our Consciousness is 

719
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,200
not evolved to understand 
whatever that actually is. 

720
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,500
So we assign a value to it as of
something. 

721
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Yeah, as opposed to what he's 
saying, which is he doesn't, it 

722
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800
could be, there could be not 
there, you know, like, I think 

723
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,600
we take it a step further and 
say, Obviously people are seeing

724
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,500
these things do. 
Now, is that thing? 

725
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,000
You know, maybe it's, maybe if 
we're talking dimensional thing,

726
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200
maybe we're only seeing a 
sliver, maybe that's why they 

727
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,500
look different and there's 
different shapes and stuff like 

728
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:29,000
that. 
We're seeing different aspects 

729
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,900
of different crafts from 
different dimensions. 

730
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:34,200
Things like that. 
But just the, the idea that 

731
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,900
we're assigning symbols to 
things that people have been 

732
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,700
experiencing for a long time, I 
think just makes sense to me. 

733
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,800
I'll take it a step further. 
There's nothing gonna go ahead. 

734
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,700
I'll say that UFOs. 
Are assigning the symbols to us 

735
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,500
there. 
They're the ones doing that. 

736
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Now this is a topic that I like 
an overlay talks about that. 

737
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:59,800
You have the lady talks about 
that that like fairies all these

738
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
different symbols throughout 
history that were key to getting

739
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,900
their being assigned to I mean 
they know what we like. 

740
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,900
So when we see I'm just like my 
actually brings me to my 

741
00:47:07,908 --> 00:47:13,700
question intersection between 
Freemasonry ancient knowledge 

742
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,600
and possible. 
Like mac. 

743
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,400
I should say ancient knowledge 
from non-human intelligences. 

744
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,700
Have you ever heard or read 
anything about that? 

745
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:30,300
You mean like like the sitchin 
hypothesis and that kind of 

746
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:31,900
thing. 
I don't know what that is, but 

747
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:36,000
go with that. 
Yeah, I think Shane's just 

748
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,200
saying is there any evidence and
kind of like what you've 

749
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,600
researched for UFOs? 
UAP, is that correct? 

750
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,800
Is that what you're saying? 
They've come across Knowledge 

751
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:47,900
from something that we would 
call abnormal along the line, 

752
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,800
not necessarily UFOs and we can 
apply that to anything. 

753
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,500
I'm saying paranormal in any way
like they have you ever come 

754
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:56,700
across anything like that? 
Like you would say almost a 

755
00:47:56,707 --> 00:47:59,600
religious experience per se. 
You know what I mean? 

756
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:03,300
I'm not sure I follow something 
in. 

757
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,900
The past that that is comparable
to a UFO like a problem. 

758
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,700
As you research, have you come 
across anything. 

759
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,200
That's kind of, you know, with 
the ancient knowledge that with 

760
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,900
Freemasonry comes across, you 
know, there's a lot of that in 

761
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:18,000
there. 
Is there anything ever about 

762
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:20,400
that? 
They've got this knowledge from 

763
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,100
other places? 
That maybe if you're the normal,

764
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,600
do you need what I mean? 
Not a masonry. 

765
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,400
Now, you know, you'll get people
who will lock in on like the Ark

766
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,000
of the Covenant that shows up in
the Royal Arch degree. 

767
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,200
And but no, no, it's the, the 
anything and masonry is pretty 

768
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,200
predicated upon. 
It came from God, basically. 

769
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,600
You know, it's a masonry 
purports to go back all the way 

770
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,300
to Adam and he was the first 
Mason with the Fig Leaf was the 

771
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,700
first Masonic apron that 
Anything that being said, okay, 

772
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,400
let me get a little bit more in 
depth on it then because for me,

773
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,600
those are the two same things 
God, that whatever. 

774
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
So let me ask this, are there 
any in Freemasonry symbols 

775
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,300
things that you talked about do 
related to that? 

776
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,900
That aren't in the judeo, 
Christian Bible per se like 

777
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:19,800
experiences with a angel you 
know, because I understand what 

778
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,500
you're saying. 
It's a Christian thing, right? 

779
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:25,500
So I'm asking our anything 
that's outside yesterday receive

780
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:27,600
knowledge. 
He actually your aren't you? 

781
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,800
Not a Loud to be Catholic or 
Christian if you're a Freemason.

782
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,700
Is that true? 
No, that's your. 

783
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,200
If you're Catholic, you can't be
a Freemason, right? 

784
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,700
You'll get excommunicated but 
right masonry is open to Men of 

785
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,800
but they want you to believe in 
a higher power, right? 

786
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Like it's nice you yeah, the 
Ulster, the grand architect of 

787
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,400
the universe or something along 
those lines. 

788
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Your you have to profess a 
belief in a Supreme Being what 

789
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,900
you think or say that Supreme 
Being is Masonry. 

790
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:00,700
Care less. 
Are you allowed to tell us? 

791
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,300
Why not? 
Why are you not allowed to be 

792
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:04,200
Catholic? 
Is that? 

793
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Or is that like a secret? 
You can be Catholic and be a 

794
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,700
Freemason, can't be a Freemason 
to be Catholic Church. 

795
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,600
Will indicate you got you got 
you. 

796
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,900
All right with there's no 
religion rejected in know you 

797
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:21,700
masonry accepts Buddhist which 
it's arguable especially 

798
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:27,400
theravada Buddhism that it's 
largely atheistic, but but it 

799
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,400
still Do you know why the 
Catholic Church doesn't allow is

800
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,800
because it's they think it's 
like a heresy or something. 

801
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,900
There's a there's a, there's an 
official edict, you can read 

802
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,300
that. 
The pope wrote against 

803
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:43,900
Freemasonry, I can get you a 
copy, the Scottish Rite has 

804
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,900
pamphlets of it just so we can 
educate ourselves on what their 

805
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,900
claims are. 
But it looks like that 

806
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,500
Freemasonry was lumped in with 
Alchemy and the Alchemy, the 

807
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:58,600
pope spoke out. 
Alchemy to you. 

808
00:50:58,607 --> 00:51:02,100
Can't be an alchemist to be 
Catholic and it was largely 

809
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,300
because of the crimes of coining
Edward. 

810
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:09,100
Kelly had his ears cropped for 
this crime of coining, which is 

811
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:15,100
passing off adulterated Metals, 
as pure Metals being able to 

812
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,700
make something look like it's 
gold when it's really not. 

813
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,300
And this was the, this problem 
goes way back to our committees.

814
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:27,100
This getting in the bath water, 
didn't seem the displacement 

815
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,700
over reasoning. 
It was that was a big deal. 

816
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,200
That Eureka thing was a big deal
was because they couldn't figure

817
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,300
out if this gold was real or 
not. 

818
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:39,500
So that's a problem that goes 
goes way back and that was 

819
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:43,100
wrapped up with this. 
Now Shane to answer your 

820
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:47,400
question about masonry. 
No I don't think masonry has 

821
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,400
what you're looking for, but in 
the rosicrucian society, that's 

822
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,000
another story and the 
rosicrucian society. 

823
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,900
There are direct references to 
what they call the holy ones. 

824
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:06,100
Us and talking about about being
able to initiate communication 

825
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:12,200
with them, things like that. 
I can write that down. 

826
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,300
Thank you very much. 
That's you answer my question. 

827
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,200
That's something I want to look 
up. 

828
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,800
It's it's fascinating the 
rituals. 

829
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,400
I don't know if the find them 
published anywhere. 

830
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,900
I can't tell you what's in the 
rituals themselves, but I can 

831
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:33,400
tell you that, I mean, there's a
there's a prayer that's that I 

832
00:52:33,408 --> 00:52:38,200
can say for certain where it's 
you're praying for the 

833
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,100
possibility that you'll get to 
communicate with the The holy 

834
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:46,400
ones. 
Sounds sounds like Shane's got a

835
00:52:46,408 --> 00:52:49,200
little project here. 
Actually, I just looked it up. 

836
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,000
I'm going to enjoy this if 
you're if you're in here 

837
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,700
watching right now, you need to 
look this up. 

838
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:59,600
You like UFOs. 
So yeah, this whole thing is 

839
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,600
absolutely fascinating because I
mean for a long time I've 

840
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,400
believed that psychedelic use 
and Altered States Of 

841
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,500
Consciousness. 
Consciousness are at the root of

842
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,800
all metaphysics. 
Like, I don't know how people 

843
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,000
would have come. 
Up with metaphysical ideas 

844
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,300
without the help of an altered 
state. 

845
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:20,500
Because if you think about it 
walking around in your 

846
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:24,400
day-to-day Consciousness, you're
not really on that level, right?

847
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,500
Yeah, you can meditate but 
that's an altered state of 

848
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,000
consciousness. 
Yeah, you can dream. 

849
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,300
That's an altered state of 
consciousness. 

850
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:32,600
You know what I'm saying? 
So it's like for me, it just 

851
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,500
makes sense that all these 
things, whether it's 

852
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,200
metaphysical stories from the 
Bible or esoteric works or 

853
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,300
you're talking about Freemasonry
and all the The the symbolism 

854
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,300
and stuff like that, I think it 
just really all just makes 

855
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:51,800
sense. 
I don't know to go back to 

856
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:58,900
yelling a little bit. 
Mids meds aren't created by men 

857
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:00,900
who say I'm going to sit down 
and write a religion. 

858
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:05,600
If they do that, it's not going 
to work the way they think. 

859
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,600
It's going to work mids, thrust 
themselves upon, man. 

860
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,500
We don't possess them. 
They possess us when a myth 

861
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:18,600
emerges, It's all, it's all 
that. 

862
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,900
Can be true. 
That makes sense. 

863
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,900
Even though, even the Christ 
myth, the Christ's teachings, 

864
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,400
what would what most people 
would call a myth? 

865
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:33,500
For the people who participated 
in that when that was emerging 

866
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,400
it wasn't like oh maybe this is 
true. 

867
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,200
Oh maybe I could believe this it
thrust itself upon them to such 

868
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,300
a degree that they couldn't deny
it and all real mids work that 

869
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:54,500
way and I think, you know, to 
call to call UFOs. 

870
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,400
A modern myth, I think is 
problematic because number one 

871
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,400
More than one person sees UFOs 
at a time they're filmed. 

872
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,800
We have yet to catch a myth on 
film, you know, there's 

873
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,300
something else going on with 
those. 

874
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:15,300
I I just I have difficulty 
putting them in the same bracket

875
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:17,600
you know? 
Yeah. 

876
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,500
I mean it's definitely a whole 
different thing and I think 

877
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:26,200
that's why it's so fascinating 
and why we're all kind of waking

878
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,700
up to all these different 
things. 

879
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:30,900
From trying to understand what 
Consciousness is to try to 

880
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:33,500
understand the Psychedelic 
experience to try and understand

881
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:35,500
the UFO. 
UAP experience. 

882
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,600
You know, these are all are you 
know, you say modern myth, but 

883
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,100
they're more modern Mysteries. 
Those are the things right now 

884
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,900
that we are like on the 
precipice of trying to figure 

885
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:46,900
out that will catapult us into 
the next. 

886
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:52,600
Paradigm time period where we 
maybe get more information and 

887
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,100
live with these ideas and save 
them a little bit more and that 

888
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:59,500
kind of figure out what the next
batch is after that. 

889
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:04,400
So this this coming, you know, 
coming from the sky is a fairly 

890
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,600
new idea is especially like in 
Greek culture, nobody was going 

891
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,900
up. 
Everybody was going down into 

892
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:19,100
the underworld at that time. 
The gods lived on Mount Olympus 

893
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,800
man, lived in the middle and the
spirits of the Dead lived in the

894
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,500
Underworld. 
You the kabiri. 

895
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,300
You have there. 
Those are dead to rights and 

896
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,700
It's, it's a mystery tradition, 
but but the they were underworld

897
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,700
figures like they came out of 
stones and out of caves, right? 

898
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,900
But you know you look at 
Parmenides, you look at 

899
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:49,400
Pythagoras empedocles all these 
early pre-socratic free 

900
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,800
Play-Doh. 
People are going to the 

901
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,100
underworld, it isn't until Plato
comes and allegorize. 

902
00:56:56,100 --> 00:57:00,100
Has that trip to the underworld 
and says no, We actually fall 

903
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:04,800
from up there and that fall that
we have fallen to Hades. 

904
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,400
This is Hades. 
There's no further going down. 

905
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:10,200
We're at the bottom. 
So the only way to go is up, 

906
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,200
that's a platonic idea in the 
west before that everybody was 

907
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,600
going into the underworld. 
And that's true. 

908
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:25,800
Even in Native American. 
But so that's why you have the 

909
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,000
with the Lusitania Mysteries and
Demeter, and Persephone. 

910
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,600
That's why that's pre Plato. 
So, that's why you have them 

911
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,300
descending into the underworld 
with, you know, right. 

912
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:38,500
The Agrarian colds and the 
symbolism and every goes back to

913
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:41,800
Ishtar and ancient Babylon 
Ishtar. 

914
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:47,000
She's the planet Venus and Venus
because it's, it's an internal 

915
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,900
Planet. 
Like Mercury, it doesn't have a 

916
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,700
regular orbit like the other 
planets to where they rise in. 

917
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,300
The east, go over the ecliptic 
and set in the west, Venus rises

918
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:59,300
in the East, and then dips down 
and disappears in the Underworld

919
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,900
and then rises in the west and 
dips down. 

920
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,900
So she creates these horns, 
which is the the bull horns, 

921
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:10,200
which is one of our symbols but 
Ishtar is the myth of this. 

922
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,200
She descends into the underworld
in order to use trying to take 

923
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,500
the throne from her sister, a 
reached a gal she fails 

924
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:23,000
miserably but she gets back out 
and that's the Nobody gets back 

925
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,100
out. 
That's why you have to have a 

926
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:30,400
psychopomp to get in and out 
there, which is the role of babo

927
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,900
Hecate e and the Ellison, Ian 
Mysteries. 

928
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,200
She's the one who can get 
Persephone out of the 

929
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,500
underworld. 
But yeah, everybody's going down

930
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,900
in the Native American 
traditions. 

931
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:46,700
There's only a couple of tribes 
that I know of that claimed to 

932
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:51,700
have come from the stars, the 
skies, I think the Ojibwe, or 

933
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,100
None of them but the rest of 
them all emerged from the middle

934
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:57,800
of the Earth. 
They came out of caves here in 

935
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,200
Mississippi, there's not any way
a cave, which is where the 

936
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,000
creek, the Choctaw, the 
Chickasaw, they claim to have 

937
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,500
them when they emerge, they came
out of this cave and I find that

938
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:15,600
more fascinating than the than 
the tension motifs. 

939
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:21,400
Going going down. 
The they would represent this 

940
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,100
trip white by what we would 
recognize as swastikas these 

941
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:30,100
file thought crosses her up all 
over Mississippi and iconography

942
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:35,200
and the they represent 
whirlpools the way to go down. 

943
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,800
And when they tested these, 
these vessels with mass spec 

944
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:46,400
tompa, spekt spective homages 
spectrometers Spectrometry. 

945
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,400
When they when they did those 
tests, they tested positive for 

946
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,100
debt Tura. 
Probably one of the most potent 

947
00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:00,200
underworld drugs, its associated
with the Moon. 

948
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,700
It looks like the moon, they 
bloom under the moon and for 

949
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,200
ancient Americans, North 
Americans, particularly in the 

950
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,300
Southeast, they had this idea 
that the sky turns like the 

951
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:16,700
whole thing turns. 
So, Oh, Underground, when it's 

952
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:21,500
day time, all of the stars are 
under us and the moon as under 

953
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:23,900
us. 
But when nighttime happens, they

954
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:28,400
flip and the underworld comes on
top. 

955
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:35,200
So anything at night is the 
underworld emerged come out And 

956
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,400
that's what they were using. 
This stuff for the same, the 

957
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,200
same descent purposes there. 
These two hero twins that show 

958
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,300
up a lot and they same hero 
twins show up in the popol vuh 

959
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:51,600
and, and Mexicans, and Central 
American religion. 

960
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:58,200
But they, they're their father 
is the god of the above World, 

961
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,600
kind of like Zeus. 
And he goes to battle with these

962
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,100
underworld. 
Basically, the Titans and the 

963
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:12,900
Titans win, the there's version,
the Titans beat him cut his head

964
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,700
off and bury his head. 
Beneath this, this ball court. 

965
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:19,100
It's not a kind of like the 
Mayan ball game, but it's not a 

966
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:21,300
ball, they used and North 
America. 

967
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:23,600
It was kind of, it's something 
called a disco Idol. 

968
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,300
It's a disc Stone disc that they
would roll like a wheel and 

969
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:31,600
throw spear Rosetta called 
chunky sticks. 

970
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,300
But his head was buried beneath 
this. 

971
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,500
And you'll see lots of images of
people carrying, severed, heads,

972
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,800
and in the iconography of the 
mississippians, there's this 

973
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,800
man, Birdman one of the, the 
prime figures you see from 

974
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,500
Cahokia shows up in Etowah, but 
it's this bird man with a beak 

975
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:58,200
and he's holding a severed head.
Well, archaeologists are finding

976
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,400
these these head pots. 
These head human head, Effigy 

977
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:07,200
pots. 
And when they tested the, this 

978
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,200
one recently that I just read 
about, I think it was found in 

979
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,900
the central Arkansas Valley, I 
think it tested positive for 

980
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:22,500
d'etre. 
So it's like that head in the 

981
01:02:22,508 --> 01:02:25,500
ground and the underworld, 
putting your head in the 

982
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:30,100
Underworld with this debt Tura, 
very prevalent and the book I 

983
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:33,000
have I've got I've got two books
coming out with inner 

984
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,700
Traditions. 
The second one is on this 

985
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:42,200
Native, American Shamanism, 
particularly in the Mississippi 

986
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,000
Valley. 
You're familiar with burial 

987
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,100
mounds. 
Yeah. 

988
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:52,100
The burial made a whole slide 
show up, so with dr. 

989
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:55,500
Gregory little, or he walked us 
through pretty much all the main

990
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:58,700
ones in the u.s. 
Yeah, that. 

991
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:02,900
Well, the these burial, mounds 
and Effigy Mounds were built by 

992
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:08,100
the earlier Hopewell and Edina, 
and Poverty Point cultures, but 

993
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,400
they would be abandoned and then
re-established by different 

994
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,700
groups of people and eventually,
what we call the Mississippian 

995
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:20,700
culture came and Started turning
them into something more. 

996
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,900
They started turning them into 
these big platform. 

997
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,800
Mounds that look like like 
truncated pyramids and they 

998
01:03:26,808 --> 01:03:30,300
really, are they have four sides
to them flat top. 

999
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:39,400
And the Monks Mound, it's called
in in Cahokia, is actually the 

1000
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,800
same dimensions as the Great 
Pyramid of Giza, and its larger 

1001
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,600
than the than the pyramid t0t 
will con. 

1002
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:56,500
And Co, but they're basically 
these pyramid structures. and, I

1003
01:03:56,500 --> 01:04:00,700
got to I got so I got my hands 
on some archaeological reports. 

1004
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:04,200
Some of them weren't published 
and it was these unpublished 

1005
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:10,000
ones that really Blew my mind 
with this stuff, but they 

1006
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,600
recovered Botanical assemblages 
that when they broke them down 

1007
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,100
and started studying them. 
There's, of course, there's 

1008
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,700
plenty that are foods, you know,
that they're eating, but there 

1009
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:24,100
are lots of plants that are 
drugs and these plants tend to 

1010
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:28,400
be all in the same locations. 
And these drugs are nicotiana 

1011
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,900
Rustica which is a very potent 
form of tobacco. 

1012
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:35,600
It's about 9 to 13 times more 
potent than a commercial. 

1013
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:41,700
Backhoe. 
They would have datura black 

1014
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:47,100
Nightshade which is solanum tyke
Anthem which contains 

1015
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:52,400
Scopolamine just like datura and
they would have morning, glory 

1016
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:58,400
seeds morning, glory seeds have 
LSA and they don't make it. 

1017
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,000
The plant doesn't produce it 
naturally. 

1018
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,600
There's this ancient symbiotic 
relationship between a clavis 

1019
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,900
Epps type fungus. 
And two strains of Morning. 

1020
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:13,300
Glory the Heavenly blue string 
in which is I put me a tricolor 

1021
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:20,300
and then the Quorum Bosa, Rivera
Rivera, what the Mexicans 

1022
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:21,300
called. 
Oh Luke. 

1023
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:25,400
We Richard Evans Schultz, wrote 
a book on that and identified it

1024
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,100
as this other species of 
psychedelic Morning Glory. 

1025
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,200
But they had these seeds of 
morning glory and there's at 

1026
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,200
least two different Scholars 
that believe, they were 

1027
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,700
combining all of them and to 
this one really psychedelic Brew

1028
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,100
Ooh, because they find them 
together all the time. 

1029
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,700
But what one, one of the things 
that no archaeologist has noted,

1030
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,600
and I think it's because they 
don't know this. 

1031
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:56,500
Is that they appear to be using 
an Ayahuasca analog. 

1032
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,400
Now Ayahuasca is of course, 
South American Beverage made 

1033
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,400
from two different plants, 
containing one contains DMT when

1034
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,000
containing monoamine oxidase 
inhibitor to cause a very, very 

1035
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,600
intense, visually Rich 
psychedelic experience. 

1036
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,900
Well two of the plants that they
keep recovering from these areas

1037
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,300
are good. 
Did see a tree acanthus which is

1038
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,800
also known as Acacia. 
Americana the acanthus that 

1039
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,500
akka. 
And there actually is a case. 

1040
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:35,700
It's a it's a conjugation of 
acacia tree acanthus. 

1041
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:41,200
So those are present and it's 
only. 

1042
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,400
There's only been one person to 
save this that I know of, it's a

1043
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,400
keeper of the trout. 
Keeper trout and Keeper of the 

1044
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,200
child, you'll see people write 
it different, but he wrote a 

1045
01:06:51,207 --> 01:06:53,600
book on. 
I think it's called some, yes, 

1046
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,300
some simple tryptamines where he
has saved. 

1047
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:59,300
All these different plants 
trying to find out if they had 

1048
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:01,900
DMT in them or not in other 
drugs. 

1049
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:06,400
But this tree came up positive, 
and it was from reading that 

1050
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,500
that we started experimenting 
with that tree. 

1051
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:14,800
And sure, enough it is 
incredibly potent and alongside 

1052
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:20,500
it are assemblages of passion 
flower passiflora incarnata, 

1053
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,200
which is our native source of 
MAOI, you combine them. 

1054
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,500
And like I said, there's already
two Scholars that think they are

1055
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:31,700
combining all of them, but if 
you combine them, the result is 

1056
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:36,200
what I call Miss Alaska, I call 
it the Miss Ahoskie hypothesis 

1057
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,700
it. 
Incredible increasingly probable

1058
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:45,800
that they were doing this and 
even if let's say they weren't 

1059
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,800
biting with passion, Which the 
past flowers there. 

1060
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,500
So they probably were, but they,
they have this beverage that 

1061
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,400
drink called black drink, that's
made from your pain, your pain 

1062
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,700
Holly, it's ilex vomitoria. 
When when desoto's people 

1063
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:06,800
arrived in Florida, they 
observed the natives every other

1064
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,000
day or every two days they would
have this ritual where the women

1065
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,800
would Brew up, the leaves from a
Yaupon tree into this thick. 

1066
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:22,700
Black tea that they would, then 
fill these massive lightning 

1067
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:27,300
whelk, shelves, with from the 
Gulf of Mexico and use this as a

1068
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:30,000
ceremonial cup. 
The shill for them is a symbol 

1069
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,600
of the Underworld, the 
underworld God brought them 

1070
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,700
shells as a gift along with 
copper. 

1071
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:38,800
So they drink this out of these 
shells. 

1072
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,600
And vomit over and over. 
Drink it and vomit. 

1073
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,399
Drink it and vomit. 
Well, that's so it was because 

1074
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,700
of this description that 
botanists. 

1075
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:54,600
Gave it the name ilex vomitoria,
the ilex that makes you vomit. 

1076
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,600
We found specify the only grows 
in like one place in the whole 

1077
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,500
country and it's right here 
where I live. 

1078
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,100
And so we got the leaves, we 
roasted them. 

1079
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:08,700
And we were like, let's see. 
What's, what the deal is with 

1080
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:11,700
this. 
It got us so wired that we 

1081
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:14,600
couldn't believe how strong was 
it's full of caffeine. 

1082
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,000
It's the only native Source. 
What is this is passionflower. 

1083
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,300
The Nitto ilex vomitoria gone? 
Okay. 

1084
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:26,600
Y'all pain Holland. 
So the it's it's related to 

1085
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,899
Yerba mate in South America. 
Yeah, those that's what the 

1086
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:32,800
football or soccer whatever you 
want to call. 

1087
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:35,600
It players, drink they drink it,
like during the middle of 

1088
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,399
matches, they have these little 
cups with, like, a little, like,

1089
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,399
metal straw metal straw? 
Yeah. 

1090
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,300
Yep. 
Yesterday, these guys were 

1091
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:46,700
drinking it out of Welsh elk 
shells. 

1092
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,000
Well, we drank and drank and 
drank and we couldn't make 

1093
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,800
ourselves vomit. 
We were expecting. 

1094
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,200
We were ready and we had our 
buckets and nothing. 

1095
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,800
So I thought, man that well, 
they're wrong about this. 

1096
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,900
There's got to be something else
that they're In there and of 

1097
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:09,400
course Ayahuasca is not one of 
its epithets is La purga, The 

1098
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,500
Purge because it makes you vomit
over and over when you drink it 

1099
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,900
and it's noted in like two or 
three different ethnological 

1100
01:10:17,900 --> 01:10:22,800
reports that there are secret 
plants that are unknown to white

1101
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,300
men that they put in this black 
drink. 

1102
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,900
I think this is that. 
So secret plants. 

1103
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:32,700
I think it's this blend of or 
either individual datura. 

1104
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:39,300
Ha Nightshade morning, glory 
seeds, tobacco, and then this 

1105
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:42,100
missile fosca. 
Now even if like I said, even if

1106
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:46,800
they weren't using the passion 
flower tobacco works as an MAOI.

1107
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,400
A lot of people don't know that 
they'd be like, well, a cheetah 

1108
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,900
any tobacco or like wild 
tobacco? 

1109
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:58,300
Well, I don't know if commercial
tobacco is strong enough as is. 

1110
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,200
I don't know if the compounds in
it, that work is monoamine. 

1111
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,500
Oxidase inhibitors. 
Are concentrated enough and 

1112
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,100
Commercial tobacco as a 
somebody. 

1113
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:09,800
What about like, st. 
John's Wort to st. 

1114
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,300
John's Wort is not an MAOI. 
It's the see reports that say it

1115
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:15,300
is. 
No, it's not and it cannot be 

1116
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:18,600
mixed with an MAOI. 
So if you're listening, don't 

1117
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,300
take those things together. 
Don't take passion flower and 

1118
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:23,200
st. 
John's Wort your brain, will 

1119
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:28,000
hate you for it, but they have 
the. 

1120
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,200
So, the tobacco works as a 
monoamine, oxidase inhibitor and

1121
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:38,400
recent Publication showed that 
ilex vomitoria has monoamine 

1122
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:45,200
oxidase inhibitor. 
And so, if they were putting the

1123
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,400
acacia Americana in this at all,
which it looks like they were, 

1124
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,100
it's not a good wood to build 
with. 

1125
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:56,000
It's covered in Thorns, big 
patches that can hear I got 

1126
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:01,900
here. 
This is a this is just one Thorn

1127
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:06,100
and they say this is one from. 
They stick out in clusters you 

1128
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:09,400
can barely touch the truth. 
He looks like you've really hurt

1129
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,300
you. 
Yeah, the pot on it is a 

1130
01:12:12,308 --> 01:12:15,400
passionflower positive. 
Just kind of where's the passion

1131
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,500
flower indigenous to Here it 
goes all over it. 

1132
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:24,300
So every yeah, believe where the
United States is it Different 

1133
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,300
species, grow all over. 
But okay, once we get here 

1134
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:30,600
growing, they're growing like 
every fence line out in the 

1135
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,000
country. 
Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia,

1136
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:38,800
Florida, the grow in Alabama. 
I was gonna ask you to what 

1137
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,500
about doing like an MAOI with 
psilocybin. 

1138
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:45,600
Would that do anything? 
Oh, yeah, oh yeah. 

1139
01:12:45,608 --> 01:12:52,600
Oh yeah, but in my experience 
MAOI, at least triples the 

1140
01:12:52,608 --> 01:12:55,800
effects of psilocybin. 
You can take 2 G and it will be 

1141
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,500
like, you took six or seven 
grams the caveat though, for me,

1142
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:07,600
is that it's up for some reason,
it cuts off the visuals, I don't

1143
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,700
get I don't get visuals when I 
mix them, but I but my head 

1144
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:16,100
space is so much. 
'And what I'm usually 

1145
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:22,600
comfortable with the first time 
I did peganum harmala with 

1146
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,700
psilocybin mushrooms, I was 
living in Tupelo, Mississippi in

1147
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:31,600
an apartment. 
And I don't usually talk about 

1148
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,300
my experience as I don't, but 
I'll tell you this one, my 

1149
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:40,700
ceiling opened up and there were
I couldn't see them but I knew 

1150
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:44,000
they were there. 
There were these twelve gods 

1151
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,500
made out of stone that were kind
of leaned over. 

1152
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,900
They were looking at me and I 
knew in that moment that I was 

1153
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:53,900
being judged that they were 
trying to determine whether or 

1154
01:13:53,907 --> 01:14:00,200
not I could be whether or not it
would be a good idea to put me 

1155
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,100
in a position to where I could 
help other people as funny as 

1156
01:14:03,108 --> 01:14:05,000
that sounds are. 
Like we don't know you got to 

1157
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,400
figure out if we can even use 
you and it was So overwhelming. 

1158
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,800
I was I couldn't move. 
I mean I was crushed under the 

1159
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,500
weight of these Gods but it's 
it, it definitely works. 

1160
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:25,300
The passion flower alone. 
Just like, just like peganum 

1161
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:28,200
harmala, it's active. 
If you take enough of it, my 

1162
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,300
wife and I was first experience 
with passion flower. 

1163
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:34,000
We read about it. 
Found out that it was a MAOI and

1164
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,400
we were driving and saw it all 
over this fence post. 

1165
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,100
We're on our way. 
Go have dinner at this tire 

1166
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,000
restaurant. 
So I picked all these flowers 

1167
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,700
and stuffed them in my pockets 
and we went in there. 

1168
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:48,100
And we're sitting here waiting 
on our food and I pulled the 

1169
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:51,200
flowers out and we just were 
like, okay, let's try it. 

1170
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,400
So we started eating id-1 and 
cheating. 

1171
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:58,000
I didn't want you to go and I 
don't remember how many we ate, 

1172
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,600
but eventually, by the time, our
food came, both of us were 

1173
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,300
asleep. 
The Harvest sleep on the table. 

1174
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:09,700
It was so dreamy. 
And just And that's with a 

1175
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:14,600
slight nausea, it's like kind of
sickness to it but peganum, 

1176
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,200
harmala does that to me too. 
I think it's just the nature of 

1177
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,600
the harm lean alkaline. 
See, they do something rough on 

1178
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,800
your stomach but it's but the 
passion flower, you know, we 

1179
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:28,900
took to making Chango with it 
changa, they call it some 

1180
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:31,900
places. 
That's what my friend Kelly all 

1181
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:34,100
calls it. 
Shout out to Khalil and 

1182
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:37,000
Australia wearing your shirt. 
Khalil. 

1183
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:42,000
They call it changa, we in a 
sippy call it changa, but we 

1184
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,700
would make it with passion 
flower, and it's a great smoking

1185
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:48,100
herb. 
And I think it's got a history 

1186
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:50,800
of being a smoking Herb in 
Mexico. 

1187
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:55,800
Yeah, no, that's, that's super 
fascinating. 

1188
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,700
Yeah, no, I was just curious. 
I've never mixed that I've mixed

1189
01:15:59,700 --> 01:16:03,700
obviously psilocybin with other 
psychoactive compounds, but I 

1190
01:16:03,708 --> 01:16:06,900
was just curious of the effects.
And to your point, though, you 

1191
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,900
know, what's weird is and the 
past? 

1192
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:11,300
I mean, I've done psilocybin a 
lot, especially when I was 

1193
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:15,700
younger. 
But the, when I would smoke 

1194
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:20,600
cannabis, or VAP, or whatever it
would also take away my visuals,

1195
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,400
but then sometimes it would like
reignite. 

1196
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,900
Item 2. 
It's like a weird thing where it

1197
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:26,800
could either help or hurt the 
situation. 

1198
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,300
But I'll tell you. 
One thing, alcohol will take 

1199
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:34,200
away the effects of psilocybin 
100% that I have observed. 

1200
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,900
Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that to
alcohol. 

1201
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,800
It doesn't seem to do anything 
to LSD, but mushrooms it 

1202
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,500
absolutely quills. 
The effect. 

1203
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,900
I've heard it does with peyote 
to you see, two different 

1204
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:55,100
factions. 
Of natives that use peyote. 

1205
01:16:55,200 --> 01:17:01,800
One faction will say that that 
the Peyote Spirit loves alcohol 

1206
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,200
and it only works with us so 
long as we drink beer or liquor 

1207
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,500
because it's trying to get the 
beer and liquor. 

1208
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,600
That threw us. 
There's another faction that 

1209
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,100
says that's absolutely wrong. 
You do not mix. 

1210
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:21,500
The two, they are two different 
paths, you know, and I know I've

1211
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,700
got a friend in North Carolina, 
that likes to mix MAOI with 

1212
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:29,300
mescaline and he claims it's 
it's one of the most incredibly 

1213
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:34,000
beautiful experiences. 
Interesting. 

1214
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,700
He makes his of a San Pedro. 
Yeah, yeah it's something I 

1215
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:44,000
definitely probably sometime in 
the future, give a whirl. 

1216
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,500
But yeah, so I mean as far as 
the Mao is you would have to 

1217
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:53,900
probably go with like a peganum 
harmala, or Syrian Rue or 

1218
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:59,800
passionflower we did. 
So we to when I make Miss of 

1219
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:06,100
laska Which I was making this 
before, I knew about the burial 

1220
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:09,800
mounds thing so that it just 
kind of Dove tailed. 

1221
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:15,700
But when we make it, we find 
that 10 to 12 grams of glad it, 

1222
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:21,000
see a tree account, those root 
bark and 25 to 30 grams of 

1223
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
passion, flower is, is right 
about The Sweet Spot. 

1224
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:33,100
Yeah, that's interesting. 
So did you ever do anything with

1225
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:35,300
the thing? 
I sent you that paper about 

1226
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,500
because you remember the all the
reports of like that Pompey 

1227
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:44,100
site, that was featured in 
mortality key than some of those

1228
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:47,600
other sites. 
Had lizard tails and those Vats 

1229
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,200
with all those empty engines and
I sent you that paper about how 

1230
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,300
lizard Tails have psychoactive 
compounds in them and you're 

1231
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:58,500
doing that whole thing with, is 
it heck Cot or Hecate or 

1232
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,600
whatever? 
Rickety, yeah I could see from. 

1233
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:08,000
So we were talking about 
animated statues earlier, one of

1234
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,700
the most famous examples of 
statue animation is from the 

1235
01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:15,400
neo-platonist pro class, who is 
able to animate a Hecate statue 

1236
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,700
that he made smile and torches 
light up behind her. 

1237
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,000
But remember these things happen
in Visions, Visions not actually

1238
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,600
happening and a good, she tells 
us this and that In the county 

1239
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,600
and oracle's, which is a kind of
like a Bible for the 

1240
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,300
neo-platonist. 
It's a text that was received by

1241
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:39,000
this father-son team called the 
Giuliani, and they claim to have

1242
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:40,800
received it from the spirit of 
Plato. 

1243
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,600
So, Plato's Soul comes to them, 
dictates to them. 

1244
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:51,400
This message from Hecate e and 
from Apollo, I think, one claim 

1245
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,000
is an Apollo was involved, which
these are the two main Gods of 

1246
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:00,200
Divination in ancient Greece. 
The very last fragment of the 

1247
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,200
Chaldean oracle's fragment to 
24, I think is instruction on 

1248
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,700
how to animate a heck of t 
statue, and it's the very first 

1249
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:11,200
thing. 
It says, is you have to 

1250
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:18,100
construct the statue using 
Savage Rue now, Savage Rue goes 

1251
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:22,000
back to planning the elder. 
He calls The Savage rooooar, 

1252
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,700
while Drew and his natural 
history and he's commenting on. 

1253
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:29,600
The difference in common ruin 
Savage room. 

1254
01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:33,500
Common roux is what we know Ruta
graviola pne's it's what's used 

1255
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:35,900
it one point it was used to 
fling. 

1256
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:39,200
Holy water in the Catholic 
church it's a bit has a bit 

1257
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,100
addictive. 
Kind of are about it. 

1258
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,200
The Romans would add it to wine 
for two to increase the bouquet.

1259
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:52,700
But he says that that Savage 
ruin common, we were the same 

1260
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:54,700
thing. 
The only difference is we've 

1261
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:58,400
cultivated it to this point, 
it's useful, but he says the 

1262
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,800
Savage Rue is even though it's 
used as a medicine and it helps 

1263
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,100
with Melancholy, he says, that 
it causes sweating opens the 

1264
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:11,000
pores and that if you take too 
much of it, it's a poison and 

1265
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:17,800
you'll die. 
And it's it's been agreed sense.

1266
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:24,600
Since the 1615 1600s is, when 
they start saying that Savage 

1267
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,700
ruis Pagan from Allah, 
identifying it as peganum 

1268
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:32,800
harmala. 
And she's saying to construct 

1269
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,900
her statue using this and then 
she says to decorate the statue 

1270
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,900
with lizards that you find about
the house. 

1271
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:46,800
Meaning, I guess house geckos. 
But there there's a report you 

1272
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,900
can find. 
Look up lizard, intoxication and

1273
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:54,800
India and there's this report of
a man who is addicted to these 

1274
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,000
10 to 20 lizards a day. 
He smokes and eats he catches 

1275
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,500
them, and he's an opiate addict.
Claims it makes the Opium so 

1276
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:07,200
much stronger when he takes the 
lizards and the report is a 

1277
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,700
medical report they're saying 
they don't understand what's in 

1278
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:13,000
there. 
But whenever you're talking 

1279
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:19,700
about in and it's in Italy, 
where they discovered these. 

1280
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:24,200
Let's go doli. 
These big Vats of wine that were

1281
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:27,100
in a temple of Persephone Hecate
and Demeter. 

1282
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:33,000
IE andalus Indian style Temple. 
And when they tested the 

1283
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:39,700
residues, they found that it had
opium and there. 

1284
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,800
And they found evidence of, I 
believe Pagan, mhm, Allah, 

1285
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,800
harmala alkaloids, but even if 
they had enough, they next to 

1286
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:56,000
the vet was this huge pile of 
lizard remains bones and from 

1287
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,500
these lizards that they 
apparently were adding to this 

1288
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:03,100
potion. 
Now, there's a king named, 

1289
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:09,200
Mithra, Oddities, and he was 
obsessed with these elixirs of 

1290
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,900
long life. 
And he had this one Elixir that 

1291
01:23:11,900 --> 01:23:17,000
he took that, he was named after
him, the pronunciation and the 

1292
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,400
spelling is escaping me at 
something, like me throughout at

1293
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:25,300
a mm or something like that, but
they found a recipe for this, 

1294
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:31,500
the ingredients and it called 
for Specifically said set 

1295
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:35,800
average Rue in it, which again 
would be peganum harmala now, we

1296
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,100
know like the bufo, it's no 
longer bufo alvarius. 

1297
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:42,300
It's been reclassified. 
But the Colorado, Colorado River

1298
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:45,200
to River toe that produces 5 m, 
EO D Mt. 

1299
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,700
I mean, those things exist. 
They don't exist anywhere 

1300
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:55,700
outside of the Colorado River in
that region, but that doesn't, 

1301
01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:57,700
doesn't mean there wasn't one at
one time. 

1302
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,500
You can bufo alvarius. 
Isn't is endangered right now. 

1303
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:05,000
Due to, you know, people say 
overharvesting it's not 

1304
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,400
overharvesting. 
It's due to us completely taking

1305
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,600
over their habitat building 
roads and things like that. 

1306
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:13,400
And there were no, there's no 
shortage of roads in Rome. 

1307
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:19,000
So I mean if something like that
can affect the population to a 

1308
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,100
point of Extinction I could see 
how there was probably some kind

1309
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:25,700
of European toad or lizard that 
was possessed of. 

1310
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:28,200
What about pastas me? 
T. 

1311
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:33,200
What about the Act that lizard 
tails, you know, regrow, there 

1312
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:38,100
could be some sort of a 
biological thing that has 

1313
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:40,000
something new to tied to that 
mechanism. 

1314
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,500
How, you know, these things can 
reproduce that? 

1315
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:45,200
I mean, that there's obviously a
lot of weird endogenous things 

1316
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,800
happening at that point that 
maybe some lizards have Scat 

1317
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:53,700
Cat, Catherine. 
I think it's called Kathy on the

1318
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:58,900
same thing that's in in You 
needles. 

1319
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:03,000
Yeah, you were innocent lie. 
It's that that indeed guy. 

1320
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,800
I think I read that to the the, 
it was like a spiny lizard or 

1321
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,300
something. 
It was like a desert lizard. 

1322
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:11,100
It was the guy that your tiny 
tail, lizard. 

1323
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:12,900
Yeah. 
But there they'll find them in 

1324
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:14,400
the house. 
Okay. 

1325
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:19,400
It's okay. 
That's in the recipe. 

1326
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:24,600
It says, lizards found about the
house and in the India report it

1327
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,900
says spiny-tailed lizards that 
are common in the houses 

1328
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:31,100
people's houses. 
Yeah, it's fast. 

1329
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:34,700
So it's it's very fascinating, 
you know, I think there's 

1330
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:37,700
something to it. 
I wanted to bring and I wanted 

1331
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:39,000
to bring something to your 
attention. 

1332
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,100
So we were doing like a Twitter 
space, a while ago. 

1333
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:42,800
It was like a UFO, Twitter, 
space. 

1334
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,800
And this lady, she was from 
Greece and we were talking. 

1335
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,800
I was joking around. 
I'm like, oh, you know, you guys

1336
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,800
know about psychedelics over 
there with the loose, any 

1337
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,200
Mysteries. 
And she's like, yeah, she's 

1338
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,900
like, we've been doing that 
forever and then we started 

1339
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:58,900
talking and I mean, she's she's,
you know, she lives there, she's

1340
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:00,200
from there. 
She knows all about it. 

1341
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:05,000
I said something like, oh, so do
you think it was, you know, our 

1342
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,400
God or clavis up spur pay or 
whatever. 

1343
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,300
And she goes, no, she goes, it 
was mushrooms. 

1344
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:11,100
I go. 
What do you mean? 

1345
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:16,200
She goes, the the ancient Greek 
word for one grape or single 

1346
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,500
grape is the same as mushroom. 
I'm like, oh that's interesting.

1347
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:23,600
I haven't really done too much 
research to follow up on that 

1348
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,100
but mushrooms grow everywhere. 
I don't see why that couldn't be

1349
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:29,200
the case. 
Yeah. 

1350
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,700
Have you read Karl AP rux book? 
Sacred mushrooms of the Goddess.

1351
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,500
Yeah, I've read rocks. 
I've read that, I've read road 

1352
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:42,200
to a lusus and the immortality, 
their different conclusions, you

1353
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:42,800
know? 
Right. 

1354
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:47,100
Releases or guy conclusion, but 
in sacred mushrooms, he's 

1355
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:52,800
proposing that it was was 
probably Amanita muscaria or 

1356
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,900
some some psilocybin mushroom. 
And Matthew Clark thinks it's an

1357
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,600
Ayahuasca and analog as well. 
Lucius. 

1358
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:04,700
Yeah, because I mean, peganum 
harmala is prevalent that whole 

1359
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:06,900
area. 
So bright. 

1360
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:08,700
I mean you're familiar with 
Benny. 

1361
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:13,700
Shannon's speculative hypothesis
right biblical entheogens. 

1362
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,500
Oh yeah. 
Yeah that Rabbi guy, that's 

1363
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,500
researching, he's not a rabbi, 
he's always not professor of 

1364
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:23,000
psychology at Hebrew University 
in Israel. 

1365
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:25,000
Okay? 
Now I know you're totally yeah. 

1366
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,100
Who proposed? 
Yeah, there's peganum. 

1367
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:32,700
Harmala grows there and Against 
the earlier person's claims who 

1368
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:35,500
you said, said there were no 
active occations out there. 

1369
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:38,900
Acacia Senegal is out there and 
there's another one that's out 

1370
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:41,300
there that many should know 
mentions in the paper that are 

1371
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:43,900
active. 
And he's basically saying that 

1372
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:48,400
Moses could have combined these 
two things, but he doesn't have 

1373
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,900
any real proof. 
I'd first time, I read that 

1374
01:27:50,900 --> 01:27:52,600
paper, I thought this is 
ridiculous. 

1375
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,600
I'm going to rebut this, but as 
soon as I started trying, I 

1376
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:03,000
realized he he doesn't He goes 
very, very light into it. 

1377
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,800
I don't know how deep he pursued
his speculative hypothesis, but 

1378
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:15,900
when I started looking at it, 
Moses, his first experience with

1379
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:18,200
the burning bush, and that's 
what he claims. 

1380
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:22,100
The Burning Bush was, it was 
some kind of either was a vision

1381
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:25,800
from the psychedelics or this 
bush was the Psychedelic and 

1382
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,100
that's what he hints at. 
And so I started pursuing that 

1383
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:36,800
the the burning bush correlation
Well, the word in the Hebrew 

1384
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,000
text. 
And obviously isn't burning 

1385
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,300
bush. 
It's labor, Sana. 

1386
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,300
And these two words appear 
nowhere else in the Bible. 

1387
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,600
They're unique to this one 
verse. 

1388
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:54,900
He saw labor. 
Sana, Leba means in sold. 

1389
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,400
Just like I said, animated it 
means like it's glowing from a 

1390
01:28:58,407 --> 01:29:01,300
life inside of it. 
A light is inside of it. 

1391
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:07,900
Sana. 
There are two definitions for 

1392
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:12,700
Santa. 
One is a Keysha this is you can 

1393
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:15,700
look at Biblical Hebrew 
dictionaries. 

1394
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:18,400
Look up Santa it says it's 
Acacia. 

1395
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:22,800
The second definition is a 
Tamarisk, a rock Thorn which is 

1396
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,600
a thorny small plant that looks 
like a geisha but in miniature 

1397
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,400
form. 
So he saw an insult Acacia, I 

1398
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:35,600
thought well that that's very 
significant so I Start to a 

1399
01:29:35,608 --> 01:29:38,800
rabbi and Memphis that that I'm 
friends with. 

1400
01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:41,500
And that's what do you think 
about this? 

1401
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:44,600
And he said, well, the word 
Leba, you know, if we have this 

1402
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,000
problem, we go to the etymology 
of the word and try and see 

1403
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,400
where the end of the earlier, 
the root of the word shows up 

1404
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,500
and he says, the route of Labor 
is Lee Bob. 

1405
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:03,100
Which means? 
Thorn means a sharp point on 

1406
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:04,900
something like a thorn or a 
spear. 

1407
01:30:05,300 --> 01:30:11,200
I thought, what you know, how is
this possible that this he's 

1408
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,400
right? 
And he said in sent and Santa he

1409
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:22,900
said that the that from ancient 
rabbinical tradition Senna is is

1410
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:26,700
seen as a phonetic and a gram of
Sinai. 

1411
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:29,200
They're not spelled the same but
they're almost pronounced the 

1412
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,700
same. 
So he says the fire on the bush 

1413
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:34,600
is the same as the Fire on the 
Mountain. 

1414
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:40,800
That Moses viewed. 
So it's very possible. 

1415
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,100
You know, that this is what's 
being said in this kind of 

1416
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:50,200
encoded form. 
Now when Moses What up, on 

1417
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,100
Sinai? 
The children of Israel. 

1418
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:55,800
The first thing they did was 
said he's not coming back at 

1419
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,600
called his brother, Aaron. 
They said Aaron, he's not coming

1420
01:30:58,600 --> 01:30:59,900
back, he's been up there for 
days. 

1421
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,800
Do us a favor? 
Take all of our gold and melt it

1422
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,700
down and form it into a bull for
us. 

1423
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:12,400
Make us a calf. 
We can worship and he does this,

1424
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:14,300
right? 
I already do this. 

1425
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:18,100
I mean, if he's already invested
in what Moses is doing, but does

1426
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:23,100
it? 
And when Moses comes back down 

1427
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:29,000
from the mountain and sees this,
do you remember what happens at 

1428
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,100
this point? 
What he made them do with the 

1429
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:32,400
calf. 
Yeah, Dad. 

1430
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,000
I mean, he made them throw it 
away. 

1431
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,600
Mean they were all like 
debauchery heiress and didn't 

1432
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,300
they take? 
He made him destroy it or 

1433
01:31:39,308 --> 01:31:41,500
something. 
He made them grind. 

1434
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:45,400
It into a powder. 
Mix it with water and drink it 

1435
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:50,300
interesting. 
He made them drink it yet. 

1436
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:53,300
As we said earlier, about 
animated statues, right? 

1437
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:55,900
Well, I was the same way with 
the whole burning bush thing. 

1438
01:31:55,900 --> 01:32:01,200
I mean, I've talked to a few 
people, the idea of it burning 

1439
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,100
and then inhaling it or whatever
and getting high off the DMT, 

1440
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:06,100
obviously is not. 
That's, there's no way. 

1441
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:09,200
There's it's not potent enough 
to create that kind of effect, 

1442
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:13,300
so it would have to be you 
already in that state seen a 

1443
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:15,900
bush burning, right? 
Like, that's the misconception 

1444
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:18,400
with that whole idea. 
I think you have, you know, like

1445
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,300
Rogan and a couple other people 
talk about. 

1446
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,800
Out. 
You know, they were literally 

1447
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,500
like smoking the bush or the 
Bush was smoking or what you 

1448
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:26,400
know whatever. 
But it's actually they were 

1449
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,000
already. 
Yeah I think he got in that 

1450
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,300
state. 
Because he was Egyptian he grew 

1451
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:41,400
up in Egyptian circles he was 
close to royalty now and ancient

1452
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,200
Egypt, like you said, a Cyrus 
gets reassembled at the Osiris 

1453
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:49,700
Festival. 
They would bake body parts like 

1454
01:32:49,700 --> 01:32:53,200
bread and the shape of body 
parts these cakes and hide them 

1455
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,900
and people would really find 
them and reassemble them and 

1456
01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:59,200
then eat it in a feast. 
But the priests they didn't 

1457
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,000
participate in this, they had 
their own form of bread, that 

1458
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,500
was in this in and send the 
exact shape of the hieroglyph 

1459
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:08,400
for Thorne. 
Says they look like triangles. 

1460
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:14,500
And they would keep it in this 
big box that in even in budge. 

1461
01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:17,400
He says it's a box of some kind 
of Redwood. 

1462
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:22,800
Now, this box has poles that run
on each side and during the 

1463
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,900
festival, they carry it around 
and say that God is in this box 

1464
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:29,600
that the we're parading around 
Osiris the deity. 

1465
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,100
That's the Ark of the Covenant. 
That's the same way. 

1466
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:34,600
The Ark of the Covenant is 
built. 

1467
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,500
There's even a, an image of the 
deity is on top of the box. 

1468
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:42,700
When Moses gives them the 
instruction about the Ark of the

1469
01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:44,200
Covenant. 
He says, you have to make it 

1470
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,900
from Acacia. 
You have to make the polls from 

1471
01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:49,200
Acacia. 
That's the only way to do this, 

1472
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,100
then he says you have to house 
it out in the desert. 

1473
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,200
We got to make this cool place, 
we got a cool box. 

1474
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,300
Now we need a cool place to keep
it and they keep create the 

1475
01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:01,300
Tabernacle out there and it's 
made out of Acacia with 

1476
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:03,800
everything about it is made out 
of Acacia and then he says, 

1477
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:09,000
cover the acacia and gold 
remember that golden calf form. 

1478
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,200
And you don't pop a mean. 
He it says he heated it and then

1479
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,100
powdered it grounded into a 
powder. 

1480
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:19,700
My suspicion is that these are 
solar signatures and Alchemy 

1481
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:22,100
have something called signatures
wear. 

1482
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:25,500
Like, gold has the signature of 
the sun Acacia has the signature

1483
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:28,800
of the Sun. 
The Thorns are the light, the 

1484
01:34:28,900 --> 01:34:35,200
Rays coming off. 
What they're doing is making an 

1485
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:40,000
animated, statute is what I 
believe, the Golden Bull, the 

1486
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:45,000
golden calf, isn't they didn't 
just make this up, that's an 

1487
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,900
ancient Egyptian deity. 
It's a the apis bull. 

1488
01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:51,500
It goes back to its the oldest 
deity. 

1489
01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:56,900
Worshipped in Memphis whenever 
Osiris became the main deity 

1490
01:34:56,900 --> 01:35:00,400
worshipped, he was still called 
apis Osiris. 

1491
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:04,300
Apis mean honey, bull, honey, 
honey bees, so it's a bull that 

1492
01:35:04,300 --> 01:35:08,100
somehow a honey bee and that 
honey, that's that, that solar 

1493
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:11,400
signature. 
They do the same thing with the 

1494
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:15,600
acacia. 
They these the The Ark of the 

1495
01:35:15,608 --> 01:35:19,600
Covenant, they code it and gold 
and then they hide within it 

1496
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:21,900
Mana. 
You know, I know of at least 

1497
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:25,400
three different interpretations 
of manna that are very, very 

1498
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:31,400
strong arguments that identified
as something psychoactive, but I

1499
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:36,200
think that's yes, it is. 
I think man I do you make the 

1500
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,100
connection of I've heard other 
people talk about like, man on 

1501
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:43,200
mushrooms. 
This idea that they're wandering

1502
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,700
through the desert eating It 
says it grew grows in the ground

1503
01:35:46,700 --> 01:35:49,300
with the morning with the do, 
right? 

1504
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:52,100
With the hoarfrost. 
So they come in the morning and 

1505
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:54,600
the same way that Mushroom 
sprout, and if you don't pick 

1506
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,000
them in time, they breed worms 
and stink. 

1507
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,600
I mean, this classic mushroom 
description. 

1508
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,500
He says that they're the size of
a coriander seed, which is a 

1509
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:10,000
good description of a pen. 
The when they first sprout, but 

1510
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:17,800
then there's another researcher 
that wrote The Mysteries of Mana

1511
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:21,900
mystery of Mana. 
He passed away in 2016. 

1512
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:28,700
Daniel Merkur, Dan Merkur, 
brilliant scholar. 

1513
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:32,300
He argues that it's ergot and he
makes some pretty good arguments

1514
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:37,000
of one of the arguments I put in
My first book, how chemically 

1515
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,500
Stone talking about the 
threshing floor, because the 

1516
01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:42,700
Mason Temple is built on a 
threshing floor. 

1517
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,900
When I read that, I thought, why
don't where do I know that from?

1518
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:50,800
And I knew the threshing floor 
reference from road to a lusus 

1519
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,600
where there's the threshing 
floor of triptolemus where they 

1520
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,400
would ceremoniously separate the
ergot from The Barley, according

1521
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,600
to Ruck Wasson, mmm Hoffman's, 
hypothesis, which I think is 

1522
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:06,300
strong. 
Well, The. 

1523
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,000
King Solomon's Temple was meant 
to be on large-scale. 

1524
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,400
A reproduction of the 
Tabernacle, in the wilderness, 

1525
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,200
it says the specifically, in the
first degree in Freemasonry, but

1526
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,500
modern Scholars agree that the 
Tabernacle probably didn't exist

1527
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:26,200
and it's a projection into the 
past of King Solomon's Temple. 

1528
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:31,700
And Merkur says, so it's very if
it's an exact replica, like they

1529
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:36,400
say that it's very possible that
the, the Tabernacle was built on

1530
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:40,400
a threshing floor. 
If you look at numbers, there's 

1531
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,400
something mercker calls, the 
drought or deal where these two 

1532
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:49,700
women are accused of adultery. 
And the priest take dust from 

1533
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:53,100
the floor of the Tabernacle, mix
it with water, just like with 

1534
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:57,100
that bull and have the woman 
drink it, and they tell her that

1535
01:37:57,100 --> 01:38:01,700
if she's guilty, that she will 
be punished by God and that 

1536
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:04,800
punishment will be. 
That her belly will swell up and

1537
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,800
the Hearth. 
I will rot off like finally 

1538
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,200
gangrene from Erica green, 
right? 

1539
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,500
And Merkur immediately, he said 
this is this is ergot poisoning 

1540
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,200
That they're talking about so 
blue. 

1541
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:22,000
So we have ergot, we have ergot 
all over the place. 

1542
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,000
We have proof from chalices from
the elucidate Mysteries. 

1543
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:31,000
We have, you know, we had dental
calculus of dense dentally on 

1544
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,100
the other night. 
She said, the first recorded 

1545
01:38:34,300 --> 01:38:38,100
thing is from Germany in the 
800s, I believe, 800 ad, 

1546
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:41,400
somewhere around there first 
like, recorded modern 

1547
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:44,900
experience. 
So we have all this her, got how

1548
01:38:44,900 --> 01:38:47,700
do we convert that or How is 
that converted? 

1549
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:52,200
Then I know there's a clip 
online of Terence McKenna. 

1550
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,900
Talking about the elusive need 
Mysteries and you know, he 

1551
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:58,500
thinks it's mushrooms because 
you have the ingredients and 

1552
01:38:58,500 --> 01:39:02,600
it's like barley mint and 
something else and Waters on 

1553
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,700
there and he says, Waters and 
actually an auto gum. 

1554
01:39:04,700 --> 01:39:09,000
It's not really water but you 
would replace that with, you 

1555
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,400
know, the ER, God or the, the 
fungus from the wheat, or The 

1556
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:16,200
Barley or whatever. 
But then, you know, he's talking

1557
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,700
about You know, he again, he 
thinks it's mushrooms, but then 

1558
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:22,400
he's talking about how they 
would like since it's boiling 

1559
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,400
that maybe you sift off some of 
the top or maybe that would get 

1560
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:30,700
rid of some of the neuro toxic 
chemicals and some of the newer 

1561
01:39:30,700 --> 01:39:35,200
editions of road to a looses. 
There's an appendix at the End 

1562
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,100
by. 
I think his name's Peter Webster

1563
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:39,400
where he tries to reproduce 
this. 

1564
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:44,100
It's been so long since I read 
it, but I can't remember if he 

1565
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:46,400
was successful or not. 
That's one place to look. 

1566
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:52,900
I have. 
I have friends working with this

1567
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:57,800
trying to get to the bottom of 
it, and the two methods that 

1568
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:02,700
they think are the most 
promising are a simple cold 

1569
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:07,600
water extraction because the 
others, the - the bad toxins are

1570
01:40:07,900 --> 01:40:12,800
water-soluble that there's 
evidence for that, they haven't 

1571
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,000
tried it yet. 
They're doing all the testing 

1572
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:21,600
first, but the other method that
they mentioned was was oil, 

1573
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:29,300
soaking it in oil and and the 
possibility of the proper stuff,

1574
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:34,300
not floating to the top knot. 
Something like that. 

1575
01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:36,900
I'm not a, I'm not a chemist. 
Yeah. 

1576
01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:39,500
But there are people right now 
working with this, trying to get

1577
01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:43,800
to the bottom of it, Amanda 
Fielding the Countess with 

1578
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,200
Beckley Foundation. 
Oh, I know Amanda feeling. 

1579
01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:49,300
Who else would I got to meet 
her? 

1580
01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:51,200
And we'll shoot trepan their own
head. 

1581
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,600
All right, she's she's one of my
heroes. 

1582
01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:59,100
Hold on, let me pull up a bigger
balls than any man on this 

1583
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:00,100
plane. 
Here we go. 

1584
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:02,700
This is from a lusus. 
Hold on. 

1585
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,800
On a second. 
Let me get these names off your 

1586
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,500
here. 
So here you have the wheat on 

1587
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:11,300
the left what do you think that 
that flower in the middle is 

1588
01:41:11,300 --> 01:41:15,800
symbolizes? 
You know it just it would be 

1589
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,200
purely speculative. 
If I was to even offer 

1590
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:24,300
something, the top kind of 
resembles the nodes on the top 

1591
01:41:24,300 --> 01:41:29,300
of a poppy pod and we do see the
meter or Persephone one. 

1592
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,000
You see you see Scholars 
identify her? 

1593
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:35,900
It is both holding snakes 
poppies. 

1594
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,900
And wheat and of course poppies 
aren't going to induce an 

1595
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:41,800
experience. 
Like what we read in The Old 

1596
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,100
City Mysteries sweating and 
visions and Terror. 

1597
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,700
But the to the right of it does 
look kind of like a vat of right

1598
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:54,800
which way looks like a dull, 
whether the Vats that they would

1599
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:59,500
brew that wine like we talked 
about earlier, dolia Yes, look 

1600
01:41:59,500 --> 01:42:03,500
like that and there's also 
something called the key stay in

1601
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:07,800
the eleusinian Mysteries which 
is they at the culmination of 

1602
01:42:07,808 --> 01:42:09,600
the right? 
They would open this box. 

1603
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,700
Take whatever is inside of it 
out. 

1604
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,100
And then put it back in and 
close it. 

1605
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:19,200
We don't know what nobody ever 
revealed, what that was. 

1606
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,800
So we don't know what was in the
key stay but it's supposed to be

1607
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,800
part and partial to whatever 
this mystery is now. 

1608
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,300
Just because you went through 
the loc ninh, Mysteries didn't 

1609
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:30,500
mean that you knew how to make 
the Kiki on. 

1610
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:33,100
That was the Priestly knowledge 
and know. 

1611
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:34,800
So that was something kept 
secret. 

1612
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:37,600
And the with the women made the 
clothes, the women made the 

1613
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:43,200
Khaki honor of correct. 
It had to be prepared by a woman

1614
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,600
and that's the case. 
With most of these bruises, 

1615
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,100
like, with the black, drink with
Native, Americans you ever touch

1616
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,000
each other? 
Oh, yeah, what? 

1617
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,700
Oh, by the way, what was we just
did the history of psychedelics 

1618
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:55,000
and that was the last one on the
table. 

1619
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,000
The chronological table and I 
knew it was Native American, but

1620
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,800
what is black drink real quick 
before we can. 

1621
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,300
It's that y'all pain Holly. 
So they it's that black tea. 

1622
01:43:05,300 --> 01:43:09,700
They would drink out of shells. 
It's loaded with caffeine but it

1623
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:13,200
won't make you vomit like that. 
Now like I said they drink it 

1624
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,100
out of these shelves. 
Well, it's Spiro Oklahoma which 

1625
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:20,000
is one of the largest 
Mississippian cities. 

1626
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:27,100
They found hundreds of these 
shells buried in all of these 

1627
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:31,900
different areas. 
Sean Lambert, recently led a 

1628
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:37,200
team that did analysis of these 
and the residues were positive 

1629
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:41,800
for datura. 
So they were mixing know, the 

1630
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,500
other alkaloids that they're not
as stable as the debtor 

1631
01:43:45,500 --> 01:43:49,000
alkaloid. 
So the it's questionable, if 

1632
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:54,400
there would even be evidence of 
things, like, DMT or LSA, still 

1633
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,600
present in the cups, but the 
residue for d'etre absolutely 

1634
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:04,100
was present. 
So black drink It looks like the

1635
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:07,000
ilex vomitoria. 
The y'all pain is a base. 

1636
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,600
It's the base that's used in all
the different blends but 

1637
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:14,200
depending on what you want to do
with it, you add different 

1638
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,700
ingredients and there's our 
there's fantastic scholar named 

1639
01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:22,900
f--kin trolley the third. 
He so he says that each of these

1640
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:25,200
different Cups. 
He's they have different images.

1641
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:29,000
Carved on them different icons 
and each of these icons, 

1642
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,800
correspond to different places 
on the Milky Way which the 

1643
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,700
Anyway, just like in Egypt is 
the path called the path of 

1644
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:41,000
souls that the dead person has 
to walk to get to the afterlife.

1645
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:47,400
And there are trials along the 
way these trials are represented

1646
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:52,000
on these cups. 
So he proposes that each the cup

1647
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:56,000
determined what was in it, what 
they were drinking out of it and

1648
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,600
that, that there that these were
like degrees. 

1649
01:44:59,900 --> 01:45:03,400
So, you would go through the 
first degree, excuse me. 

1650
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,600
And you're basically going 
through the path of sold 

1651
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:12,400
nominally ritually. 
By drinking the substance that's

1652
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:17,300
meant to propel you into the 
region where this deity exists, 

1653
01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:19,600
this they don't call them 
deities the archaeology, 

1654
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:20,600
archaeologists like to call 
them. 

1655
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:26,900
Supernaturals are non-human 
entities, but he believes that, 

1656
01:45:26,900 --> 01:45:28,900
it's a different substance for 
each one. 

1657
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:31,400
There's something similar in 
Spyro, we're in the grand 

1658
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,900
Mortuary, it's meant to set up. 
The arch is meant to be the 

1659
01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:38,800
Milky Way and different Flint 
clay. 

1660
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:42,700
Pipes Stone Effigies of pipes of
different. 

1661
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:47,300
Non-human entities are placed in
this in the order that they 

1662
01:45:47,300 --> 01:45:53,700
appear in the Milky Way and the 
same idea is true with this that

1663
01:45:53,700 --> 01:45:58,400
smoking through it. 
A animated, the piece, meaning 

1664
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:04,200
it brought the deity and in your
presence by smoking, pulling 

1665
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:07,100
smoke through it and that there 
were different smokes for each 

1666
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:10,100
one. 
I think there's probably 

1667
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:14,700
something to that. 
They had very complex systems of

1668
01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:16,700
psychedelics. 
They weren't just using plants, 

1669
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:23,000
ethnological reports suggest 
that when we see them drinking 

1670
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,900
the Dutch hero, it's always 
associated with a moth. 

1671
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:31,200
This moth deity. 
They they call it Mothra after 

1672
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:36,900
the Godzilla scene, or they call
it Mothman after the movie, but 

1673
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:41,400
that's what they call this, this
figure and this moth has been 

1674
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:45,900
identified as what's called a 
tobacco moth. 

1675
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:53,200
Manduca sexta is the scientific 
classification. 

1676
01:46:54,500 --> 01:46:59,600
It lays its eggs feeds, only on 
Tobacco, and datura. 

1677
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,300
So they Associated directly with
these. 

1678
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:09,400
Now, nicotine is normally toxic 
for insects and animals, but for

1679
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:13,700
the horn tobacco hornworm. 
When it's a centipede, not when 

1680
01:47:13,700 --> 01:47:18,800
it's a caterpillar, Somehow it 
doesn't hurt it. 

1681
01:47:18,900 --> 01:47:22,000
Not only that, it not only does 
it not kill him when he eats 

1682
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,600
nicotine, he has the ability to 
store it in his body and inject 

1683
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,700
it at will as a defense 
mechanism. 

1684
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:33,700
And there there's an 
ethnological report where 

1685
01:47:33,700 --> 01:47:39,000
they're telling a legend about 
those two twins. 

1686
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,100
I was telling you about earlier 
the Sun, God is trying to 

1687
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:46,100
determine if they're actually 
his twins actually his kids and 

1688
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:49,300
so Not necessarily the sun. 
God, the god of the above world 

1689
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:53,000
will say. 
And as a as a test, he tells 

1690
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:58,000
them that they have to first. 
Go find this caterpillar and 

1691
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:02,000
they he says, you'll recognize 
him because he pukes out blue 

1692
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,100
stuff and he says you each need 
to take one of these and put it 

1693
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:09,700
in your mouth and don't swallow 
the Jews, but spit it out. 

1694
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:11,800
When it happens just like 
chewing tobacco. 

1695
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:16,400
They're letting these 
caterpillars spit up, naked, 

1696
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,500
straight, nicotine and their 
mouths. 

1697
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:21,500
And after they pass this test, 
he says, okay you've passed this

1698
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:23,300
one. 
Now I'm going to give you the, 

1699
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:27,000
the tobacco that kills the 
tobacco, that kills being the 

1700
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,200
other plant, that this small 
fee, it's on the datura, and 

1701
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:34,700
they pack a huge pipe of d'etre 
and smoke it, and it doesn't 

1702
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:36,300
kill them. 
So, he determines these are 

1703
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:40,300
definitely my kids. 
So there's this idea of, if you 

1704
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:46,200
can survive, this, your divine 
I'm in a way but very complex 

1705
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,200
system of initiation systems of 
intoxication and the the one of 

1706
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,300
the pots that tested positive 
for doctoral. 

1707
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:59,200
It's a, it's got a design on it,
that shows up in lots of 

1708
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:03,000
different places but it wasn't 
until they figured out that 

1709
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,300
about this relationship of what 
this small for was that they 

1710
01:49:06,300 --> 01:49:12,200
realize the design on the pot is
the proboscis of the Moss. 

1711
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,200
That it uses to drink the nectar
from doTERRA or tobacco. 

1712
01:49:17,300 --> 01:49:20,300
And there's images of chunky 
players that game. 

1713
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:23,900
We were talking about holding 
these malls, like big ones by 

1714
01:49:23,900 --> 01:49:31,200
their proboscis, holding it up. 
Well when when well when a 

1715
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,700
monarch for example, as a 
caterpillar it feeds on 

1716
01:49:34,700 --> 01:49:37,800
milkweed. 
Milkweed is toxic, it's not 

1717
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,200
toxic for them. 
And what it does is it makes 

1718
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:45,400
them toxic Two other things. 
Even by the time it becomes a 

1719
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:49,500
butterfly it retains those 
toxins and its Constitution. 

1720
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:54,800
It's possible that those mobs 
were psychoactive and that they 

1721
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,300
were maybe eating the malls. 
We don't know. 

1722
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:03,100
But I traveled to Arizona to see
the deer glyph, Deer Hunter, 

1723
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:08,000
glyphs out there. 
The design on these mom's is 

1724
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,100
carved on these rocks. 
I mean, I'll send you the 

1725
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:16,900
pictures so you can see how 
close this is underneath every 

1726
01:50:16,900 --> 01:50:24,200
single pictograph at Deer Park, 
we found growing either datura 

1727
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:28,400
or tobacco obtuse a Folia. 
Now, I thought, what are the 

1728
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,600
odds of this? 
I mean, it must be native. 

1729
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,000
It must just grew all over. 
So Jamie Paul lamb and I we 

1730
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,400
walked to the Some 11 acres 
around this property looking for

1731
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:42,300
a single specimen of either 
plant, we couldn't find one. 

1732
01:50:43,300 --> 01:50:46,900
Now I spoke with a botanist I 
said what are the chances that 

1733
01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:50,300
these plants were planted there 
and just grow back every year 

1734
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,100
and he said, oh that's 
absolutely possible. 

1735
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:54,500
They drop their seeds and they 
grow in the same places over and

1736
01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:56,600
over and over. 
This is very possible. 

1737
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:00,900
They were planted there. 
Well, I started researching this

1738
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:04,800
and I found an article written 
by these archaeologists who were

1739
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:10,500
studying a stretch of 
petroglyphs in New Mexico and 

1740
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:16,500
underneath every it's a specific
like Jagged tooth looking symbol

1741
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:20,300
the same kind of jagged symbol 
that shows up on the moth wings 

1742
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:24,600
and their depictions in the 
Southeast they said under every 

1743
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:30,400
single Petroglyph like that. 
They Found d'etre or tobacco. 

1744
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,600
That I don't think it's a 
coincidence. 

1745
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,000
What about? 
I think we're all this in the 

1746
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:37,500
new book. 
Yeah. 

1747
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:42,300
What about just to go back to 
elusive first second. 

1748
01:51:42,300 --> 01:51:46,700
This is so this is the plutonian
caves found a lusus. 

1749
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,900
You know, looking at this, I had
a psychedelic experience a few 

1750
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:56,900
years ago where I was taken back
through like history and I was 

1751
01:51:56,900 --> 01:52:00,000
kind of like a slideshow of like
psychedelic interactions. 

1752
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,000
Deranged people. 
And I just had this vision of 

1753
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,300
Play-Doh participating in the 
greater Mysteries and then 

1754
01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:09,600
walking over from the Telus 
Terry onto this plutonium cave 

1755
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,600
and then coming up with his 
allegory of the cave. 

1756
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:18,600
I don't know why they came to 
me, but it did and it just kind 

1757
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,200
of made sense. 
I don't know, I don't think urea

1758
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:25,200
SLI things that come to you in 
those States or there's our 

1759
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:29,100
epiphanies, you know, it's not 
to say that. 

1760
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,400
Every every idea that comes to 
you in that state is going to be

1761
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,900
scientifically verifiable or 
demonstrably. 

1762
01:52:34,900 --> 01:52:40,300
But it is saying that there's 
meaning Meaning in it, you're 

1763
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:43,600
finding meaning in it and that's
right I think that's more 

1764
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:47,000
important than scientific 
corroboration right and he's got

1765
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:54,500
that famous quote from the 
phaedo that so yeah, I mean I 

1766
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:58,900
just let me see here. 
I think that's all the cool 

1767
01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:01,100
pictures I have for that. 
I mean, I have, we did a whole 

1768
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:03,000
ancient psychedelic episode 
here. 

1769
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:04,800
Let's go back. 
Wheat up by somebody was asking 

1770
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,700
about that earlier, but let me 
pull up, I think I had one. 

1771
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:11,000
The book I have coming out. 
Oh yeah. 

1772
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,100
What do you think about this? 
The the optical. 

1773
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:17,500
Ooh, and you see the other 
wrist, they have those like 

1774
01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:21,400
flower looking watch things, and
then right, looks like the dude 

1775
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:24,400
holding a cola. 
Now everybody says pine cone but

1776
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,700
from talking with like Chris 
Bennett The tree of life and all

1777
01:53:28,700 --> 01:53:31,500
that kind of stuff. 
It does look like a cannabis 

1778
01:53:31,900 --> 01:53:34,800
plant. 
It could be yep. 

1779
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:38,900
You know everybody interprets 
what they're holding is a basket

1780
01:53:38,900 --> 01:53:41,800
or a bucket, right? 
And it would, that might even be

1781
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:47,100
made out of hemp that little 
that little thing in his hand, 

1782
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:51,200
that little II handbag. 
I'm not certain it's a handbag. 

1783
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:54,700
What do you think it is? 
Look at Pillar 43. 

1784
01:53:54,700 --> 01:53:57,200
It Gobekli Tepe here, I've got 
it, hold on. 

1785
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:00,000
I'll pull it up at the top of 
43. 

1786
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:03,500
Are those what? 
Graham Hancock interprets. 

1787
01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:05,700
Yeah. 
The top headlines. 

1788
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:09,000
He said things. 
These are the same handbags, but

1789
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,700
at the top left, you can see. 
There's a hand holding that 

1790
01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:15,500
edge. 
And it's holding it. 

1791
01:54:17,300 --> 01:54:19,900
Down coming out of these as 
water. 

1792
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,700
This is rain happening, but 
they're demonstrating it the 

1793
01:54:23,700 --> 01:54:25,600
same way. 
It's represented in my anak and 

1794
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:30,000
iconography where they're 
pouring, like a libation turning

1795
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,300
it sideways. 
I think, in some cases, it's not

1796
01:54:33,300 --> 01:54:35,900
a basket. 
I think it's a handled picture 

1797
01:54:36,100 --> 01:54:38,500
that they're pouring a libation 
out from. 

1798
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:42,300
And in this case, I think it's 
meant to indicate rain. 

1799
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:46,500
This pillar. 
This pillar is we find it? 

1800
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:50,900
See if it is one of the most 
m-43 is one of the most 

1801
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:55,900
important ones, mainly for the 
path of souls model. 

1802
01:54:55,900 --> 01:55:01,700
Because it, it shows Scorpio 
sickness scorpion that you can't

1803
01:55:01,700 --> 01:55:05,000
really see them here but there's
a scorpion under that line. 

1804
01:55:05,900 --> 01:55:10,400
And that's what the most most of
the alternative theories on this

1805
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:14,700
is all correlated to some sort 
of comment or asteroid impact, 

1806
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:16,700
like during the younger dries or
Ali. 

1807
01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:19,400
Some sort of astronaut I do a 
lot of interpret it that way. 

1808
01:55:19,500 --> 01:55:23,700
Yeah so you can you can really 
see the hands on this one to 

1809
01:55:23,900 --> 01:55:26,700
holding those pictures turning 
them sideways. 

1810
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:33,100
Yes, somebody said though those 
are actually other and little 

1811
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:36,000
animals up there tight and I've 
looked closely, I forget who is 

1812
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,300
telling me, I can't really 
remember right now, but they're 

1813
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:41,300
saying that there's that's kind 
of cut off. 

1814
01:55:41,300 --> 01:55:43,800
You can, if you look very 
intricately at the top, those 

1815
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:46,400
are actually other little 
animals like a little frog and 

1816
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:47,700
something else. 
I don't know. 

1817
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,300
There is a frog on there. 
I think what we're talking about

1818
01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:53,500
our hands. 
You can even see the fingers. 

1819
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:54,100
Yeah. 
I see. 

1820
01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:55,700
I know what you're talking 
about, but I do think that 

1821
01:55:55,700 --> 01:55:57,700
there's little animals up there,
too, as well. 

1822
01:55:57,700 --> 01:55:59,500
There are there animals. 
Over these things. 

1823
01:55:59,500 --> 01:56:03,400
Yeah. 
But this is significant because 

1824
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:08,700
in the Native American death 
Journey that what they call the 

1825
01:56:08,700 --> 01:56:13,400
path of souls. 
The soul has two and this is, 

1826
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:16,500
this is the main function of 
these platform Mounds. 

1827
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:19,500
They would wait until the right 
time of year to do these funeral

1828
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:22,300
services. 
You couldn't do them just any 

1829
01:56:22,300 --> 01:56:27,700
time because during the summer 
the Great Snake this giant snake

1830
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:29,800
would snatch. 
Your soul out of the air and 

1831
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,500
take you into the underworld, 
that great snake is Scorpio. 

1832
01:56:32,500 --> 01:56:36,300
They saw it as a snake and 
during the winter months, 

1833
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:40,500
Scorpio never arises at night, 
it never rises above the 

1834
01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:42,300
Horizon. 
He stays in the Underworld. 

1835
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:44,900
So they thought, okay. 
This is the time to do funerals 

1836
01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:50,500
because he can't get us so they 
would wait until the winter 

1837
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:53,700
solstice about around the winter
solstice and they would face 

1838
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:57,700
West and the direction of the 
sunset and slightly South which 

1839
01:56:57,700 --> 01:57:07,100
is where O'Reilly Ryan sets, 
Just Before Sunrise and They 

1840
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:10,100
didn't see it as a Ryan. 
Obviously, that's a Greek idea. 

1841
01:57:10,100 --> 01:57:12,800
They saw it as what they call 
the Chiefs hand, or the hand 

1842
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,900
star. 
And what we recognize as Orion's

1843
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,200
Belt, they saw as the wrist of 
this hand start. 

1844
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,100
And in the Palm is at what looks
like an eyeball. 

1845
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:29,200
And I this is a major aspect of 
Mississippi and iconography, it 

1846
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:32,100
shows up all over the place and 
it even shows up in the Hopewell

1847
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:33,400
stuff. 
So it goes back at least to 

1848
01:57:33,407 --> 01:57:36,500
Hopewell. 
But the eye and the Palm is 

1849
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:39,800
actually not an i it's what they
call a noogie or an OG. 

1850
01:57:41,900 --> 01:57:45,300
Which is dr. 
Gregory post those a lot. 

1851
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:52,900
Those, it's meant to be like a 
vaginal vesica piscis like an 

1852
01:57:52,900 --> 01:57:59,500
entry that you go into. 
Um now we know it's not, it's 

1853
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,100
it's actually it's a cowrie 
shell as what's in the hand. 

1854
01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:08,700
In this cowrie shell is Central 
to some of these secret 

1855
01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:11,300
societies and Native Americans 
like the media we won. 

1856
01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:17,400
They shoot these calories into 
themselves and as a to show that

1857
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,500
they're an initiate, they hold 
the cower in the center of their

1858
01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:26,700
open palm and show others in 
what they call the mean, a we 

1859
01:58:26,700 --> 01:58:30,900
gon their Lodge. 
But what it is is that it's the 

1860
01:58:30,900 --> 01:58:33,600
portal that gets you on to the 
path of Souls. 

1861
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,900
And we talked about that chunky 
game where they roll that disc, 

1862
01:58:36,900 --> 01:58:39,500
and they have to throw the staff
at it. 

1863
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:41,900
That's true. 
Name. 

1864
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:44,700
They're training them, how to do
this. 

1865
01:58:44,700 --> 01:58:50,500
Because remember, the sky falls 
at moves, once the sky falls and

1866
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,900
Orion goes under, you can get 
crushed by the falling sky. 

1867
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:58,400
So you have to aim just right at
the right time of the year and 

1868
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,100
they literally say you have to 
shoot your soul like an arrow 

1869
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:06,200
into the palm of that hand and 
that it will carry you through 

1870
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:14,900
the underworld safely. 
That leads you to the Milky Way.

1871
01:59:15,500 --> 01:59:19,200
You have to make this sharp, 
turn to get off the ecliptic and

1872
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:21,400
onto the Milky Way where you 
travel around. 

1873
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:25,900
And once you travel around and 
come back up through the 

1874
01:59:25,900 --> 01:59:28,000
ecliptic on the east side, like 
you're a rock. 

1875
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,100
Like, you're the sun rising. 
You get to the top of the sky, 

1876
01:59:31,100 --> 01:59:36,400
which is where cygnus is, and 
cygnus for the m, is this, it's 

1877
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,800
a vulture and Gobekli, Tepe, 
cygnus is a swan. 

1878
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:43,100
On increase for the Native 
Americans. 

1879
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:47,200
It's a falcon but it's this 
Falcon figure called brain 

1880
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:50,900
Smasher. 
And he lives, right at the fork,

1881
01:59:50,900 --> 01:59:53,800
in the Milky Way, the Milky Way 
has what they call the dark rift

1882
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:58,700
and it's in the direction of 
Sagittarius that dark rift is is

1883
01:59:58,700 --> 02:00:03,300
actually the black hole at the 
center of our galaxy, but it 

1884
02:00:03,300 --> 02:00:08,800
causes a an opening to happen. 
It looks like an opening in the 

1885
02:00:08,808 --> 02:00:12,900
Milky Way, well that Only one 
path keeps going. 

1886
02:00:13,300 --> 02:00:17,000
The other paths. 
It's a dead end and blocking 

1887
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,700
that path. 
Is this is cygnus this vulture. 

1888
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:26,200
That means falcon If he judges 
you favorably, he opens the door

1889
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:31,500
to the long path, and that leads
you to the final resting place, 

1890
02:00:31,500 --> 02:00:33,800
where your ancestors are, if 
they made it this far. 

1891
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,700
If he judges you unfavorably and
you don't know, you just know 

1892
02:00:38,700 --> 02:00:41,300
he's opened the road for you. 
If he does you unfavorable 

1893
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:44,800
favorably, he opens a door to 
the short path and that once you

1894
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,900
go that way, you fall back down 
into the underworld in you 

1895
02:00:47,900 --> 02:00:52,300
either are lost to Oblivion some
traditions say you're reborn 

1896
02:00:52,300 --> 02:00:56,900
reincarnated that kind of thing 
but that's that's what we're 

1897
02:00:56,900 --> 02:00:59,900
seeing. 
I believe on the Gobekli Tepe 

1898
02:00:59,900 --> 02:01:04,100
pillar and of course the first 
thing in any rational person's 

1899
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:06,200
mind is What why would you think
that? 

1900
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,800
I mean ones in turkey and the 
others in North America. 

1901
02:01:09,900 --> 02:01:13,800
It's because the model is 
identical for Egypt. 

1902
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:17,100
And for Babylon, the 
Babylonians, there's this great 

1903
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:21,400
book by George litter. 
Rebecca called visible, Gates, 

1904
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:26,200
and pagans Skies where he's 
describing the same exact thing 

1905
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:29,100
this portal and Orion that you 
go through to get on the Milky 

1906
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:33,900
Way and then it's in here. 
This first half of the book is 

1907
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,900
about Greece. 
The middle is about Egypt, and 

1908
02:01:36,900 --> 02:01:39,900
the last half is about Babylon, 
nobody shows up, I mean, I've 

1909
02:01:39,900 --> 02:01:42,900
never, I've never read the book 
you're talking about, but I know

1910
02:01:42,900 --> 02:01:46,800
the Egyptians. 
So that's like, why like Orion 

1911
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,100
was important or like different 
constellations, because they 

1912
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:52,200
figured when they die, that's 
where they would meet up in the 

1913
02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:56,600
afterlife right, wherever their 
afternoon, Which Constellation, 

1914
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,700
right into and what time to get 
into it and then which direction

1915
02:02:00,700 --> 02:02:02,500
is to go once you've gotten into
it. 

1916
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:07,300
Yeah, that's the secret 
initiatory wisdom of these 

1917
02:02:07,300 --> 02:02:10,100
Traditions, how to get into the 
Afterlife. 

1918
02:02:10,100 --> 02:02:13,400
That was originally the secret 
of the, of the Pharaohs, you 

1919
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,800
know? 
And for the Native Americans, 

1920
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:20,400
particularly in the Southeast, 
it was taught in what they 

1921
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:24,300
called medicine. 
So dalit, he's the me day, we 

1922
02:02:24,300 --> 02:02:29,200
went or the grand medicine 
Society, they, they situate 

1923
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:33,400
their lodges east to west, but 
when someone dies Sighs. 

1924
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:38,100
They situated north to south so 
east to west is the ecliptic. 

1925
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:42,300
The sunrise, the planets move 
north to south is how the Milky 

1926
02:02:42,300 --> 02:02:44,900
Way moves. 
So, they position their Lodge to

1927
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:49,600
the Milky Way and then and then 
they, they have to be the 

1928
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:52,800
psychopomp. 
Then the initiated person is the

1929
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:56,500
psychopomp that can guide, the 
dead person who has not been 

1930
02:02:56,500 --> 02:03:00,800
initiated into the Afterlife, if
they think they're worthy to do 

1931
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:05,600
that, but that's the secret. 
It's the secret wisdom in and 

1932
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:10,600
Plato and neoplatonism. 
If you read, poor free porphyry 

1933
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:18,200
wrote this commentary on Homer 
on the Cave of the nymphs. 

1934
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:20,300
It's called, but it's the same 
thing. 

1935
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:24,900
He says this cave, signifies our
universe, and there are two 

1936
02:03:24,900 --> 02:03:27,600
entrances in this cave. 
One for Mortals, and one for a 

1937
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:31,100
mortal's, the one for Mortals is
the gate RI come in when we're 

1938
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:34,300
born, the one for immortalized. 
Is is the one we go out when 

1939
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:36,900
we've matured enough to this 
place to leave it. 

1940
02:03:38,100 --> 02:03:42,300
Once you go out of it, those 
portals sit on the Milky Way 

1941
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,500
those that. 
So if we imagine the, the Zodiac

1942
02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:49,800
wheel to be one wheel and we 
imagine the Milky Way to be 

1943
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:53,500
another wheel, the two points at
which they intersect are where 

1944
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:57,800
those two portals are. 
That's in Greece, that's in 

1945
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:01,100
Egypt, that's in Sumeria. 
And that's in freaking Native 

1946
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:04,900
America. 
It is a turret and I'm certain. 

1947
02:04:04,900 --> 02:04:07,300
That's what pillar 43 is about 
in Turkey. 

1948
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:12,300
But it's a, it's overwhelming. 
I wouldn't even know about this 

1949
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:15,500
if it weren't for Greg Little, I
mean, oh no. 

1950
02:04:15,500 --> 02:04:18,800
I love dr. 
Greg, he's, he's a wealth of 

1951
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,700
knowledge. 
Obviously, he's got the book on 

1952
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:25,100
Native American Mounds 
encyclopedia and we just see. 

1953
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:28,400
We've had, I've had about like 
five times probably more than 

1954
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:32,200
most guests on our show. 
He's, he's very generous with 

1955
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:37,300
his time. 
He he turned me on to all this 

1956
02:04:37,300 --> 02:04:40,300
stuff I had written my book. 
The book that's going to come up

1957
02:04:40,300 --> 02:04:43,200
before the Native American book 
is on theurgy, theurgy and 

1958
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,700
theory and practice. 
Yeah, dude, who have more books 

1959
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:47,900
now? 
All your posts are. 

1960
02:04:47,900 --> 02:04:50,900
But I read a shitload by the 
way, I'm like where the hell is 

1961
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:52,400
this dude? 
Getting all these fucking books?

1962
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:54,800
I've never even heard of half of
these fucking books. 

1963
02:04:55,600 --> 02:05:00,100
Its most of them are specialized
tax that cost between 100 and 

1964
02:05:00,100 --> 02:05:02,400
250 dollars. 
Its reality crazy. 

1965
02:05:02,500 --> 02:05:06,100
Once once you get into this tier
of literature, you're going to 

1966
02:05:06,100 --> 02:05:11,200
go broke a promise. 
It's very hard. 

1967
02:05:11,300 --> 02:05:13,400
I mean, now I've gotten to the 
point where, if I want to keep 

1968
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:15,200
going, I have to sell the books.
I have. 

1969
02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:18,700
Yeah, I see just to if anybody's
interested follow PD on 

1970
02:05:18,700 --> 02:05:21,300
Instagram or Facebook or 
whatever, he's always posted 

1971
02:05:21,300 --> 02:05:25,000
books that he's trying to sell 
to get new books and further his

1972
02:05:25,300 --> 02:05:27,300
research. 
So yep. 

1973
02:05:27,700 --> 02:05:32,200
Yep. 
Greg he I had read his book yet 

1974
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,600
the book I wrote on theurgy, 
theurgy. 

1975
02:05:35,700 --> 02:05:40,100
This platonic system of ritual. 
That's designed to get your soul

1976
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:43,300
into the regions, where the 
Pharaoh could get basically. 

1977
02:05:44,500 --> 02:05:48,500
But out of all of the platonic 
and neoplatonic text, they 

1978
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:52,000
never, it's never Spilled Out. 
What the ritual is, what is this

1979
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,300
theoretical ritual? 
It's right of elevation, they 

1980
02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:58,500
call it. 
And I finally found one 

1981
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:01,400
description. 
It's and it and it it was in a 

1982
02:06:01,407 --> 02:06:05,500
recently published translation 
of pro classes comment. 

1983
02:06:05,700 --> 02:06:12,000
Terry on Plato's Republic and in
it, he spells out the ritual and

1984
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:16,100
that ritual is a funeral. 
He says that if we take the 

1985
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:23,200
funeral that that Achilles gives
for patrol coalesce in Homer and

1986
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:27,400
do that to a living person, 
that's theurgy and it's about 

1987
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:32,100
the same thing. 
It's about Getting these these 

1988
02:06:32,100 --> 02:06:34,300
portals. 
This it's a ritual way to do. 

1989
02:06:34,300 --> 02:06:37,900
What porphyry was describing. 
Excuse me about those chains. 

1990
02:06:37,900 --> 02:06:41,100
Looking for portals. 
We got to hook this guy up the 

1991
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:45,100
portals there. 
So one, Greek author says, there

1992
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:50,000
are three portals, most of them.
Say there are two, the portals 

1993
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:54,000
exist and the signs of Taurus 
and Scorpio. 

1994
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:58,200
That's where the Milky Way 
touches on each side and those 

1995
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:03,400
signs now porphyry. 
He's Hellenistic his so he's 

1996
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:05,500
using tropical astrology 
meeting. 

1997
02:07:05,500 --> 02:07:08,200
He doesn't care where the 
planets are out there. 

1998
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:13,300
It's always based at 0 degrees, 
Aries is on March, 20 on the 

1999
02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:17,000
Spring Equinox. 
It doesn't move unlike sidereal 

2000
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,300
astrology which takes into 
account, the precession of the 

2001
02:07:19,300 --> 02:07:22,900
equinoxes. 
The fact that every few hundred 

2002
02:07:22,900 --> 02:07:26,500
years, it moves over a degree 
most backwards. 

2003
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:35,100
So He he puts this the, the 
gates and Cancer and Leo and 

2004
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:39,200
cause them, not excuse me, 
cancer and Capricorn, and calls 

2005
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:43,800
them, the gates of the sun, ask 
you, the Gate of the moon and 

2006
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:47,600
the Gate of Saturn, the moon 
rules cancer, Saturn rules rules

2007
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:54,400
Capricorn, he's placed them 
there because 100%, because he's

2008
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:57,800
a helenus and he doesn't care 
where they actually are every 

2009
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,700
other text says. 
No, it's not there ones and 

2010
02:08:00,700 --> 02:08:05,700
Taurus ones in, Scorpio the to 
Rebecca shows, different 

2011
02:08:05,700 --> 02:08:09,800
cylinders carved with the 
Scorpion, God's guarding one 

2012
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:13,600
gate and bull guards guarding, 
the other gate, and they lead to

2013
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:17,600
this giant serpent that you have
to get along that serpent is the

2014
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:19,900
Milky Way. 
It's been this giant. 

2015
02:08:19,900 --> 02:08:24,200
Serpent is represented in both 
some Egyptian imagery and in 

2016
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:31,000
Babylonian, as The Milky Way. 
So that's the portals. 

2017
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:38,500
The two portals one leads to 
remember the the split and the 

2018
02:08:38,500 --> 02:08:42,500
Milky Way. 
Where the, where the yeah black 

2019
02:08:42,500 --> 02:08:45,100
hole really is? 
Yeah, that's one portal. 

2020
02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:45,800
You go. 
That way. 

2021
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:47,400
You don't come back. 
That's the road. 

2022
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:50,300
That is the dead end. 
You ain't getting nowhere. 

2023
02:08:50,300 --> 02:08:54,100
If you go that way, the other 
portal is in the palm of that 

2024
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:57,300
hand. 
And and in the side of Orion, 

2025
02:08:57,700 --> 02:09:01,300
this is the constellation of 
Orion, which is against the sign

2026
02:09:01,300 --> 02:09:05,200
of Taurus. 
There's something that I want to

2027
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:08,100
show you here. 
Well, first off, here's that 

2028
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:11,100
image. 
Let me pull this up here, so 

2029
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:13,800
it's not my ugly mug over it. 
I can't. 

2030
02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:22,100
So here you have on the left. 
You have blue lotus and then on 

2031
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:23,800
the right, you have the 
mushrooms. 

2032
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:25,600
That's what we were talking 
about earlier when we were 

2033
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:31,700
talking about, right? 
Temple of hathor and Hooter 

2034
02:09:31,700 --> 02:09:36,000
Hunter graph. 
He wrote a great book recently 

2035
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,900
on Herman The Hermit ISM. 
If you get a chance to read it, 

2036
02:09:39,300 --> 02:09:43,000
but he did a lecture for Harvard
Divinity School. 

2037
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,600
When they were going through, 
you know, different spiritual 

2038
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:50,900
practices within the engines, 
and he focused on the mithras 

2039
02:09:50,900 --> 02:09:52,600
Liturgy out of the Greek 
magical. 

2040
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:56,600
Papyri, I have a copy of here. 
I'll show you these. 

2041
02:10:01,900 --> 02:10:10,600
Can everybody see this? 
so, the Greek magical papyri 

2042
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:19,200
this is One of the few surviving
Egyptian spell books and it is 

2043
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,400
is something called the mithras 
Liturgy. 

2044
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:24,800
This is it extracted with alone 
commentaries. 

2045
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:28,100
That picture, was that a Scarab 
with horses face on it? 

2046
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,400
Yeah, yeah. 
That's so the Scarab is, he's 

2047
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:34,800
who moves the sun through 
underworld, like a dung beetle, 

2048
02:10:34,900 --> 02:10:40,300
right roles it. 
But in The Matrix liturgy, it's 

2049
02:10:40,300 --> 02:10:42,900
in. 
It's a ritual of a cent where 

2050
02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:48,800
this woman comes through this, 
this priest figure and kind of, 

2051
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:54,400
like, as also most via Sophia 
Sophia Sabia situation, and he 

2052
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:57,600
gives gives her this ritual. 
That's called a ritual of a 

2053
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:00,900
pothana t cymose, which means 
immortalization. 

2054
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:05,000
Now, it's interesting because by
immortalization. 

2055
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:07,200
They don't mean you're going to 
be immortal forever after you do

2056
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:09,600
it. 
I mean when it's happening, 

2057
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:14,100
you're Immortal, you're in the 
place of the Gods and she just 

2058
02:11:14,100 --> 02:11:18,500
sins and she's able to open the 
doors of heaven and see into the

2059
02:11:18,500 --> 02:11:20,700
doors of Heaven. 
Just the same way Parmenides 

2060
02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:23,400
does with the giant doors, but 
it's the Underworld for him. 

2061
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:29,800
But in it, there's a scarab 
beetle that is added to an oil 

2062
02:11:30,900 --> 02:11:33,100
along with a plant. 
We don't know what this plant is

2063
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:35,700
Kendra rytas. 
Some people interpreted as 

2064
02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:42,800
cannabis it's Bribed in the 
commentary here as having red 

2065
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:50,400
Roots, which with the acacia 
stuff, very significant, but 

2066
02:11:51,500 --> 02:11:55,400
Hannah graph interprets, this 
scare of as code for something 

2067
02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:59,600
else, possibly a mushroom, 
because they put it in the soil.

2068
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:02,300
And then they take the oil and 
anoint the face. 

2069
02:12:02,900 --> 02:12:06,100
And it's after this that she's 
able to ascend just like a 

2070
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:08,700
flying ointment. 
We see the the same thing in the

2071
02:12:08,900 --> 02:12:12,000
the earliest Christian rituals, 
you know, when the Christians 

2072
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,400
started they were a secret 
society. 

2073
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:14,800
We don't know what they were 
doing. 

2074
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:19,400
The first time it was revealed 
what they were doing was when 

2075
02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:24,400
this anti-christian guy, 
Kelsey's wrote this book against

2076
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:27,900
the Christians in it. 
He says what they do is they get

2077
02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:31,400
together and they anoint 
themselves and this what he 

2078
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:34,300
calls the white unguent of the 
Tree of Life. 

2079
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:38,000
And after they do this, they're 
able to leave their body and 

2080
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:39,900
Ascend through the levels of 
heaven. 

2081
02:12:40,100 --> 02:12:43,400
So we know like all the stuff 
really are Aeneas all that kind 

2082
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:45,000
of stuff. 
That's how we know about like 

2083
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:47,100
gnosticism. 
It's all the opposition. 

2084
02:12:47,100 --> 02:12:51,600
It's never we never have the 
actual down. 

2085
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:55,200
This is just Christian, right? 
He didn't say this is Gnostic, 

2086
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:59,200
this is Christian that would 
origin comes along. 

2087
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:02,800
Clement student here. 
Abuts this right. 

2088
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:05,800
So long rebuttal saying he's, 
you know, No, he's wrong. 

2089
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:08,000
These aren't Christians. 
These people are what we call 

2090
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:13,200
ophites their. 
Oh, fight gnostics, but when he 

2091
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:18,300
starts telling what's wrong with
it, he doesn't say that they 

2092
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:20,700
don't do the ritual. 
He doesn't say that they don't 

2093
02:13:20,700 --> 02:13:22,900
anoint themselves in the soil 
and Ascend to Heaven. 

2094
02:13:22,900 --> 02:13:26,300
What he says is there, there 
Heavens are out of order. 

2095
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:29,600
He's mad because they're Heavens
are in the wrong order which is 

2096
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:32,100
Again part of the secret wisdom 
like hat. 

2097
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:33,400
What? 
It actually looks like when you 

2098
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:36,000
get out there. 
Where to go, when you die. 

2099
02:13:37,500 --> 02:13:42,200
So he almost corroborates the 
claim but he just combats the 

2100
02:13:42,900 --> 02:13:47,400
particulars. 
The but generally, it looks like

2101
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:49,200
the early Christians were doing 
the same thing. 

2102
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:52,700
There's another Christian 
Gnostic texts called The Book Of

2103
02:13:52,700 --> 02:13:57,600
Joy or the book of Jude j EU in 
it. 

2104
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:59,900
They have these series of 
baptisms where they place a 

2105
02:13:59,900 --> 02:14:04,200
plant in their mouth while 
they're being, baptized the name

2106
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:06,900
of this plant. 
See, no, cephalon me. 

2107
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:09,700
Ins dog-headed. 
It's anybody's. 

2108
02:14:09,700 --> 02:14:13,000
Guess what that is it could be. 
That could mean Anubis you know 

2109
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:15,300
take you to the underworld 
psychopomp kind of thing. 

2110
02:14:15,300 --> 02:14:18,600
I don't know but that's what 
they call the plant. 

2111
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:22,600
The only other time this plant 
shows up and literature is in 

2112
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:26,700
plenty of the Elder where he's 
saying it was used at one time 

2113
02:14:26,900 --> 02:14:31,300
for necromancy and the soul of 
Homer was called from the 

2114
02:14:31,300 --> 02:14:34,000
underworld using it during a 
ritual. 

2115
02:14:36,100 --> 02:14:39,600
Strange stuff. 
But this, it looks like this 

2116
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:41,900
kind of thing is that the route 
like you said at the beginning, 

2117
02:14:41,900 --> 02:14:45,900
like, it doesn't have to be 
psychedelics, but a Visionary 

2118
02:14:45,900 --> 02:14:52,600
experience is at the beginning 
of every religion, it takes that

2119
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:56,600
State of Consciousness for the, 
for the myth to thrust itself 

2120
02:14:56,600 --> 02:15:02,700
upon you, like to see it 
firsthand and Know that that 

2121
02:15:02,700 --> 02:15:04,800
must be true. 
The way I said that earlier. 

2122
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:08,600
Not guess or say Well it 
wouldn't be, wouldn't it be cool

2123
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,700
if yeah. 
No absolutely. 

2124
02:15:13,700 --> 02:15:15,500
Let's start to kind of wrap it 
up here. 

2125
02:15:15,500 --> 02:15:19,800
Do you have you want to do like 
a like a 10 minute short patreon

2126
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:23,400
on Saint Peter snow-clad 
dealership? 

2127
02:15:23,700 --> 02:15:26,500
I did read that paper. 
You sent me so it starts right? 

2128
02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:29,400
Yeah let's wrap it up here and 
then we'll do that. 

2129
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:31,400
We'll do a short patreon all 
upload it. 

2130
02:15:31,500 --> 02:15:33,800
It later on. 
But I wanted to pull up. 

2131
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:37,000
One thing I found here, I was 
doing an episode on Easter 

2132
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:41,400
Island, you know, the different 
Cults. 

2133
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:46,400
The Motto motto of the Birdman 
called and the moai Builder 

2134
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:50,700
called. 
And I came across, you know, 

2135
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:53,600
there's a lot of like I 
obviously like psychedelic 

2136
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,300
iconography. 
Do you know anything about this 

2137
02:15:56,300 --> 02:15:57,500
Acacia? 
Kevin. 

2138
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:01,400
This is new to me. 
Okay, so this is for this. 

2139
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:04,800
Is actually a tree found on 
Easter Island, its acacia tree, 

2140
02:16:05,700 --> 02:16:09,700
we know that there's 
pre-columbian, South American 

2141
02:16:09,700 --> 02:16:13,000
DNA found within, you know, the 
Rapa Nui. 

2142
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:15,000
People have that. 
So there's people going back and

2143
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:16,400
forth. 
There's Polynesian people going 

2144
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,500
to Easter Island. 
Then you have also, people 

2145
02:16:18,500 --> 02:16:21,200
coming probably from South 
America to Easter Island. 

2146
02:16:21,500 --> 02:16:26,800
And even there's a Yahoo, which 
is the altar that the moai stand

2147
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,200
on. 
There is Allah who that looks 

2148
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:31,400
exactly. 
Like some of the megalithic. 

2149
02:16:31,500 --> 02:16:35,900
Thick stones from sex a woman 
and South America. 

2150
02:16:35,900 --> 02:16:41,000
So, anyway, doesn't know Easter 
Island is off. 

2151
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:43,100
It's part of Chile. 
Now, like it's part of the 

2152
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:47,400
country of Chile, but it's off. 
That's like, it's one of the 

2153
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:50,100
most remote places on Earth. 
But, yeah, it's by like the 

2154
02:16:50,100 --> 02:16:52,400
Marquesas islands, all that kind
of stuff. 

2155
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:55,200
I'll definitely look into the, 
yeah. 

2156
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:58,200
So I wanted to pull this up. 
This is the slide from the 

2157
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,700
Easter Island episode. 
I did it because they What 

2158
02:17:01,700 --> 02:17:05,299
happens is, there's these long 
years versus the short years 

2159
02:17:05,299 --> 02:17:09,500
than the mythology, which 
signifies to anthropologists and

2160
02:17:10,100 --> 02:17:11,700
ethnographers, like Thor 
heyerdahl. 

2161
02:17:11,700 --> 02:17:15,299
I don't know if, you know that 
is that it might have been the 

2162
02:17:15,299 --> 02:17:20,100
South American people going 
against the Polynesian people. 

2163
02:17:20,900 --> 02:17:24,100
And then later on, you have like
cannibalism found on the island 

2164
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:26,000
and stuff like that. 
But so, obviously these people, 

2165
02:17:27,500 --> 02:17:30,400
you know, what were they doing? 
What was all this stuff 

2166
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:34,000
happening? 
And I think that one of them, 

2167
02:17:34,100 --> 02:17:38,100
you know you found they found 
that shamanic FOX NOW pouch and 

2168
02:17:38,100 --> 02:17:43,100
Bolivia 1000 ad. 
Again we know the connections 

2169
02:17:43,100 --> 02:17:46,799
between South America and Easter
Island as well as it had. 

2170
02:17:46,900 --> 02:17:51,900
It had yopo in it and which is 
yopo comes from an ad in in 

2171
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:53,900
therapy peregrina or call. 
Yeah. 

2172
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:57,299
So that's why I'm going to ask 
you to is like, that's an acacia

2173
02:17:57,299 --> 02:17:59,600
basically, right? 
I was going to ask you and 

2174
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:02,799
áanotherá. 
Obviously, a lot of Native 

2175
02:18:02,799 --> 02:18:06,400
American tribes use it, that's 
part of like, you know, you can 

2176
02:18:06,400 --> 02:18:09,799
make snuff out of it, would you 
get the same kind of effects 

2177
02:18:09,799 --> 02:18:12,000
that you would get from like, 
smoking DMT? 

2178
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,000
Or is that not anywhere near 
that? 

2179
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:18,400
Oh, they so in South America, 
they found what they call 

2180
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:22,500
smoking tubes, which is 
basically a Chillum that shows 

2181
02:18:22,500 --> 02:18:27,200
evidence of smoking and at 
Anantara seeds going way back. 

2182
02:18:27,799 --> 02:18:32,400
Have you ever smoked yopo seeds?
No, I still haven't even smoked 

2183
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:37,500
DMT, okay. 
Yo, put so yopo seeds are 

2184
02:18:37,500 --> 02:18:42,900
absolutely active by themselves.
You take the seeds and you gotta

2185
02:18:42,900 --> 02:18:46,600
if you heat them up in a 
skillet, that's how we did it 

2186
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:48,799
and they'll swell up. 
They'll get kind of fat. 

2187
02:18:48,799 --> 02:18:52,400
Once they get fat like that, 
take them off the heat because 

2188
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:55,700
that the thing you can Hamilton 
Morris than episode, we went to 

2189
02:18:55,700 --> 02:18:59,200
Argentina. 
That's the he did it with the 

2190
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:00,799
legit Shaman. 
That guy, he met. 

2191
02:19:00,900 --> 02:19:05,000
Went out of all the episodes, 
Hamilton's done and meets these 

2192
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:07,600
people that claim to be this 
certain kind of thing. 

2193
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:11,000
That guy was the most legitimate
Shaman of ever seen. 

2194
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:12,600
But he didn't have a real 
experience. 

2195
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:14,799
But who's the guy that they were
talking about that wrote the 

2196
02:19:14,799 --> 02:19:18,100
book on doing that, that lived 
with like those tribes for a 

2197
02:19:18,100 --> 02:19:19,900
while? 
I forget, two dudes named. 

2198
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:23,100
I'm not, if it's not schulte's, 
I'm not sure. 

2199
02:19:23,100 --> 02:19:25,100
It's that schulte's. 
And he's a more newer. 

2200
02:19:25,100 --> 02:19:29,400
He's a little bit older but he's
this was really bugging me. 

2201
02:19:29,400 --> 02:19:30,799
Like, I didn't, I forgot to 
look. 

2202
02:19:30,900 --> 02:19:33,700
His name. 
After last episode, he wrote a 

2203
02:19:33,700 --> 02:19:39,100
book on the snuff and bufo, bufo
bufo 13 is that Jesus would 

2204
02:19:39,100 --> 02:19:41,500
pronounce it bouffant in the 
botany. 

2205
02:19:41,500 --> 02:19:47,600
Yes, he wrote a book on the 
seeds and the snuff guy's name. 

2206
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:50,600
He's kind of like a recluse with
the Psychedelic Community but 

2207
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:55,700
very revered and I forget his 
name Brett, who wretch Christian

2208
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:57,800
Ranch? 
No, not Christian reg. 

2209
02:19:57,800 --> 02:20:01,000
This dudes like a big name dude,
I'm telling you you would If 

2210
02:20:04,300 --> 02:20:09,400
pissing me off, I know what 
you're talking about and that 

2211
02:20:09,400 --> 02:20:13,400
episode is is is is available. 
I think you can watch it in full

2212
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:16,600
on YouTube. 
Yeah, many viewers want to 

2213
02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:21,700
explore that, but it's a there's
a very legitimate Shaman there. 

2214
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:27,400
But he creates a snuff out of 
it, I've never snuffed it, but 

2215
02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:30,700
we would heat the seeds up and 
peel the outside. 

2216
02:20:30,900 --> 02:20:32,500
Side off. 
They're covered in this brown 

2217
02:20:32,500 --> 02:20:38,500
film and you can just smoke 
those seeds and you are 

2218
02:20:38,700 --> 02:20:42,500
overwhelmed with every river 
done and I've had to lay down. 

2219
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:45,500
That's how strong it is. 
It's how potent it is. 

2220
02:20:45,500 --> 02:20:47,900
You can just smoke it and get a 
DMT Flash. 

2221
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:57,500
Yeah, that's that's crazy. 
And that was used within, I know

2222
02:20:57,500 --> 02:21:02,600
some indigenous, Mexican tribes 
use the and áanotherá. 

2223
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:05,800
What about any of the American, 
the jewelry and the jewelry 

2224
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:09,600
province of Argentina evidence 
shows that it's been used for 

2225
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:16,300
4,000 years and whenever a sign 
and a lot of people don't know 

2226
02:21:16,300 --> 02:21:18,100
this. 
Christopher Columbus was the 

2227
02:21:18,100 --> 02:21:20,500
first person to document yopo 
use Yeah. 

2228
02:21:20,500 --> 02:21:27,800
Wasn't his one of his priests or
somebody on his team, they watch

2229
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:32,300
them using it and described it 
and later a Von Humboldt the 

2230
02:21:32,308 --> 02:21:35,500
Explorer went to the same region
to try and find the the plant he

2231
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:39,800
found it and called it Acacia 
Neo Pony Oppo after yopo. 

2232
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:44,100
So it was originally classified 
as an acacia and I think that's 

2233
02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:47,400
one, one of the places that the 
Royal Society got that 

2234
02:21:47,400 --> 02:21:51,200
information about The Acacia and
there are Search for drugs 

2235
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:54,700
because one of their concerns 
was cartography and they had 

2236
02:21:54,700 --> 02:22:00,600
Columbus's maps and a bunch of 
maps that and the other source 

2237
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:04,400
is probably the heart, lib 
papers heart, heart lived had a 

2238
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,300
circle of Alchemists. 
It's surrounded him but he 

2239
02:22:07,300 --> 02:22:12,100
interpreted paracelsus has azoth
as Acacia. 

2240
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:16,900
He basically switches out azoth 
for Acacia and quotes paracelsus

2241
02:22:16,900 --> 02:22:23,600
to it tea. shout out to Dean 
McGrath for bringing that to my 

2242
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:28,500
attention and that those papers 
were in the possession of the 

2243
02:22:28,508 --> 02:22:35,200
Royal Society to Yeah, I think 
that Hamilton's do that. 

2244
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:39,600
Do they call it Hitachi or hi? 
Tha, that h8 e AJ. 

2245
02:22:39,900 --> 02:22:46,400
Is that the one that's beyond my
knowledge there. 

2246
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:50,800
Now, that was the one I think 
for the episode from Argentina 

2247
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:54,100
where they were doing the snuff,
I think that's what they call 

2248
02:22:54,100 --> 02:22:57,400
it, you know, I don't think 
Pinna and yopo or the yeah names

2249
02:22:57,400 --> 02:23:06,100
that I'm familiar with But yeah,
I mean this all this stuff again

2250
02:23:06,100 --> 02:23:08,700
there's just so many connections
to all this stuff and I know 

2251
02:23:08,700 --> 02:23:11,400
we're like super nerds and 
nobody really gives a shit the 

2252
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:12,700
real world. 
Right? 

2253
02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:14,300
Like nobody gives a shit about 
this. 

2254
02:23:15,300 --> 02:23:19,800
But I mean, we're talking about 
the Royal Society on a rat rabid

2255
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:23,400
Scramble for drugs and and we're
the only one that's fucking 

2256
02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:26,200
cares. 
Yeah. 

2257
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:30,100
I mean it's that it's the idea 
of all of our ideas of 

2258
02:23:30,100 --> 02:23:32,600
metaphysical things and it's not
to say that they don't exist. 

2259
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:35,800
But I think it's important. 
It's like, if you're going to be

2260
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:37,500
in a religion, don't you think 
it's important? 

2261
02:23:37,500 --> 02:23:40,000
You understand where that like 
religion comes from or those 

2262
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:44,900
ideas behind your philosophies, 
or spirituality come from? 

2263
02:23:44,900 --> 02:23:47,700
You know, like it's just stuff 
like that where it's it just 

2264
02:23:47,700 --> 02:23:53,500
makes me wonder. 
Yeah, it just makes me wonder, I

2265
02:23:53,508 --> 02:23:56,300
don't know, Rona. 
Let's say this one. 

2266
02:23:56,300 --> 02:23:59,500
I give lectures and Masonic 
lodges because there's you know,

2267
02:23:59,500 --> 02:24:02,600
there's there's a lot of Mason's
it don't like what I'm saying. 

2268
02:24:02,700 --> 02:24:06,400
But its history. 
And when he laid out and just do

2269
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:09,600
the show, cite your sources and 
show how this happened. 

2270
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:15,300
I mean, we should be big boys 
and be able to say, oh well, 

2271
02:24:15,300 --> 02:24:20,500
that's that's interesting. 
You know, that this the the the 

2272
02:24:20,500 --> 02:24:25,100
tendency to cover up or hide 
information that's embarrassing 

2273
02:24:25,100 --> 02:24:29,300
or that you didn't expect we 
gotta get over that stuff. 

2274
02:24:29,500 --> 02:24:32,500
You know, we got so much history
that we were. 

2275
02:24:32,700 --> 02:24:37,800
Just starting to scratch the 
surface on on what took place. 

2276
02:24:37,900 --> 02:24:42,200
The next step is to, you know, 
accept it. 

2277
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:47,700
So what what are your two book? 
Can you tell us what your two 

2278
02:24:47,700 --> 02:24:49,900
books are coming up here? 
What they're about? 

2279
02:24:50,500 --> 02:24:55,100
Yeah, so the book that will come
out first, I don't have dates on

2280
02:24:55,100 --> 02:24:57,600
any of them yet but they're both
coming out with inner Traditions

2281
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:02,000
Bearing Company. 
The first one is on the air G 

2282
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:07,200
and theory and practice and it 
looks at the neo-platonist 

2283
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:09,600
themselves they had this 
tendency when they talked about 

2284
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:15,000
theurgy to talk about it in 
homeric terms and so So what the

2285
02:25:15,008 --> 02:25:19,000
book does is it unpacks those 
homeric references, there's 

2286
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:24,100
claim, Theo platonic claims that
homeric theurgy and takes them 

2287
02:25:24,100 --> 02:25:26,700
at their word. 
And, and I'm trying to say, 

2288
02:25:27,300 --> 02:25:32,500
let's let's see what they mean 
by this and in doing that I 

2289
02:25:32,500 --> 02:25:35,700
can't I mean I came to after 
reading book after book after 

2290
02:25:35,700 --> 02:25:39,900
book on theurgy and he'll 
platonism, I came to the the 

2291
02:25:39,900 --> 02:25:44,700
conclusion that This is the only
way to understand theurgy is to 

2292
02:25:44,700 --> 02:25:47,200
take them at their word and go 
back and look at what Homer is 

2293
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:50,300
saying. 
So that's what the book does. 

2294
02:25:50,900 --> 02:25:59,400
And The second book the title 
for it is tripping, the path of 

2295
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:03,800
souls Native American Shamanism,
and the Mississippi Valley. 

2296
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:08,500
And it looks at what we've been 
talking about these Botanical, 

2297
02:26:08,500 --> 02:26:12,600
assemblages that were recovered,
how they use them, and this path

2298
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:18,200
of souls model as steps along 
the afterlife, and then it looks

2299
02:26:18,200 --> 02:26:23,600
at the, my Miss Alaska 
hypothesis, which I think is a 

2300
02:26:23,608 --> 02:26:31,400
very Important. 
If that's true then we have to 

2301
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:36,900
re-evaluate everything and I 
think it is true but the the 

2302
02:26:36,900 --> 02:26:42,000
notion that then an Ayahuasca 
analog was being used in North 

2303
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:45,800
America by Native Americans 
native North Americans. 

2304
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:54,000
It's a game changer and and I'm 
really I'm not, I'm nervous 

2305
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,600
about this book. 
I've never been nervous about 

2306
02:26:56,600 --> 02:27:00,800
even with the my DMT and masonry
books, I wasn't nervous about 

2307
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:02,800
them. 
I had Jonathan Oz. 

2308
02:27:02,900 --> 02:27:04,000
That's the dude. 
Sorry. 

2309
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:06,300
I just had a thought. 
Yeah, Jonathan, that's right. 

2310
02:27:06,300 --> 02:27:10,100
That's who I was trying to think
of that's that's that's 

2311
02:27:10,100 --> 02:27:12,000
brilliant. 
Sorry. 

2312
02:27:13,500 --> 02:27:15,700
No, it's fine. 
I'm glad you remembered because 

2313
02:27:15,700 --> 02:27:19,300
I could remember either. 
Yeah, supposedly. 

2314
02:27:19,300 --> 02:27:25,800
He's like a master at the The 
bufo bufo Janine, bouffant need,

2315
02:27:25,800 --> 02:27:28,600
excuse me before that need 
ceremonies with the and 

2316
02:27:28,600 --> 02:27:30,500
áanotherá seeds and all that 
stuff. 

2317
02:27:30,500 --> 02:27:33,800
So right he wrote a whole book 
on it, I think so. 

2318
02:27:34,900 --> 02:27:37,200
Yeah, I didn't know that. 
I don't have that book. 

2319
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:41,600
I have most of the books. 
I have our Aunt with other 

2320
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:46,500
authors. 
See ya, dude. 

2321
02:27:46,500 --> 02:27:49,600
I'm pumped, I love your work. 
I love dr. 

2322
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,300
Gregory stuff. 
I'm glad you guys are Consulting

2323
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:55,900
and I select this. 
I can't not. 

2324
02:27:55,900 --> 02:28:00,300
Yeah, yeah, so close. 
He's in her documentary as 

2325
02:28:00,300 --> 02:28:03,800
within. 
So, without from UFOs to DMT, 

2326
02:28:03,900 --> 02:28:05,300
I'll play the trailer at the 
end. 

2327
02:28:05,300 --> 02:28:08,300
I asked PD to be in and we had 
some technical difficulties. 

2328
02:28:08,300 --> 02:28:10,500
So he's going to, I'm going to 
have PD, write a little 

2329
02:28:10,500 --> 02:28:14,300
something that will fit in the 
As well too. 

2330
02:28:14,300 --> 02:28:18,600
So you can be a part of it. 
I'm glad to be a let's wrap it 

2331
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:23,800
up here and do a short patreon. 
Anybody can just go check out 

2332
02:28:23,800 --> 02:28:26,500
PD's books, I'll chemically 
Stone and angels and Vermillion.

2333
02:28:26,500 --> 02:28:30,300
I have the links down below. 
I have the link to his Facebook 

2334
02:28:30,300 --> 02:28:33,600
group. 
He is on Twitter, I believe, 

2335
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:36,500
what's your Twitter handle? 
It's PD or PID. 

2336
02:28:36,500 --> 02:28:38,500
Underscore D, something like 
that. 

2337
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:39,800
I think. 
That's right. 

2338
02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:42,100
P underscored the, something 
like that. 

2339
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:43,700
I'll add it all at the link at 
the thing. 

2340
02:28:43,700 --> 02:28:46,000
But, yeah, file. 
So terrible, what do you should 

2341
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,400
use Twitter more? 
I think it's more psychedelic 

2342
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:50,900
friendly than any of the other 
em. 

2343
02:28:50,900 --> 02:28:53,700
So yeah, there's a nice sucks. 
Psychedelic Community kick in 

2344
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:58,300
anytime I have posts. 
Yeah, you've got like lots of 

2345
02:28:58,308 --> 02:29:00,800
people prevalent on there. 
You know, you've got your 

2346
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:04,500
andrew.galea Moors and people 
that are, you know, interacting 

2347
02:29:04,500 --> 02:29:06,700
with people on there on a 
regular basis and stuff. 

2348
02:29:06,700 --> 02:29:09,200
So I mean, I like it the best 
out of all of them, but I think 

2349
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,600
it would be. 
It's right up your alley for 

2350
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:13,500
what you're doing to. 
So do that. 

2351
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:18,800
Yep, let's see here. 
Yeah, so just follow PD on all 

2352
02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:21,300
the stuff by his books. 
If you haven't already, shout 

2353
02:29:21,300 --> 02:29:24,700
out to everybody that's been in 
the chat screen name. 

2354
02:29:24,700 --> 02:29:27,500
I know PD, your Danny. 
Your brother is in there for a 

2355
02:29:27,500 --> 02:29:34,000
while Kar to my eBay. 
It's, I don't know, I think 

2356
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:37,400
that's how you pronounce it, OE,
B, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I 

2357
02:29:37,408 --> 02:29:40,100
wouldn't know half the things I 
know if it wasn't for Michael, 

2358
02:29:40,300 --> 02:29:47,600
he was my Partner in crime and 
he was my he's my younger 

2359
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:49,000
brother. 14 months younger than 
me. 

2360
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:53,300
So obviously he was my guinea 
pig for a lot of drugs and he 

2361
02:29:53,300 --> 02:29:56,500
was the first one to do Salvia. 
You know. 

2362
02:29:56,500 --> 02:29:59,300
I would give it to him and watch
how he acted then I'd take it. 

2363
02:30:00,100 --> 02:30:02,200
Have you ever masticated the 
leaves? 

2364
02:30:02,200 --> 02:30:05,300
Or if you only just smoked it, 
I've only smoked it. 

2365
02:30:05,300 --> 02:30:09,300
But I do have. 
So I was sitting back from 

2366
02:30:09,300 --> 02:30:15,100
Australia with a psychedelic, a 
psychoactive meant that I don't 

2367
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:21,500
they call it a sage but he my 
host Khalil drink some of it and

2368
02:30:21,500 --> 02:30:24,800
he said that he got a entered, a
very heady space. 

2369
02:30:25,800 --> 02:30:29,200
It's not Salvia divinorum, but 
it's some kind of a something. 

2370
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:31,500
They're calling a Salvia that's 
in the mint family. 

2371
02:30:31,500 --> 02:30:34,600
And it's psychoactive, that's 
weird that you say that I was 

2372
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:37,700
just going back and forth with 
Sandy who's a friend of the 

2373
02:30:37,700 --> 02:30:40,800
show. 
She's been a guest as well and 

2374
02:30:40,800 --> 02:30:44,000
that's her that's why she thinks
she used just came back from a 

2375
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:45,500
loose Isis. 
Actually, she has tons of 

2376
02:30:45,500 --> 02:30:49,000
pictures of her trip but she's 
talking about how the mint 

2377
02:30:49,100 --> 02:30:52,300
that's on the ingredients list. 
She's talking the safety rules. 

2378
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:55,000
Yes. 
But she's saying that she thinks

2379
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:57,000
that there could have been a 
strain or something, the kind of

2380
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,000
like what you're saying right 
now, that something in the mint 

2381
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:03,400
family or Sage that has solved 
via like properties. 

2382
02:31:04,700 --> 02:31:06,700
It's definitely possible. 
They're there. 

2383
02:31:06,700 --> 02:31:11,600
So the ancient Greece they 
mention a psychoactive IV. 

2384
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:14,700
That we no longer have an IV. 
You can get Own. 

2385
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:19,100
They mentioned celery, a type of
celery, you could get high on. 

2386
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:22,200
There's a great video Even 
though wild lettuce, can get you

2387
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:23,800
to work. 
Well, yeah. 

2388
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:26,100
So there's a lots of different 
strains of wild lettuce, but the

2389
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:31,600
one we get here, it's, they call
it opium lettuce. 

2390
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:36,800
I'm trying to think of the lek. 
Touka virosa is the species, but

2391
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:40,600
it contains high ask, I mean, 
which is also in d'etre and 

2392
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:43,200
black Nightshade. 
So it's in that family. 

2393
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:44,700
Do you like control? 
I paint. 

2394
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:48,700
I'm not a tropane guy. 
I just was nothing for me. 

2395
02:31:48,700 --> 02:31:57,900
Yeah, I prefer to take them in 
comments. 

2396
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:04,600
Okay, this point is I'm having 
trouble. 

2397
02:32:04,600 --> 02:32:05,800
There we go. 
You can see it. 

2398
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:11,900
Yeah, you I prefer it on the 
Comedown of other substances. 

2399
02:32:11,900 --> 02:32:14,400
If I'm coming down from LSD or 
something, I'll put it on my 

2400
02:32:14,400 --> 02:32:18,700
wrist, the back of my neck. 
But if you get enough of it to 

2401
02:32:18,700 --> 02:32:23,300
have what we would call a real 
real psychedelic experience from

2402
02:32:23,300 --> 02:32:28,700
it, it's not pleasant, you know,
you you get severe dry mouth. 

2403
02:32:29,900 --> 02:32:32,900
If it's still one of them but 
like mix in with ayahuasca, 

2404
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:38,200
Brutal ends Brigade. 
See, AA room and see ya Mencia, 

2405
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:40,200
Aria Bergman there's several 
strange. 

2406
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:43,400
I heard those I Wasco. 
Like I've had a couple people on

2407
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:47,900
the shoulder like dude, that's 
not something I would try again.

2408
02:32:47,900 --> 02:32:51,200
It's like bubble level Ayahuasca
shit there. 

2409
02:32:51,300 --> 02:32:55,400
I've had I've had it one time 
and I had a rough rough 

2410
02:32:55,400 --> 02:32:58,900
experience with it. 
They call it toe a like put. 

2411
02:32:58,900 --> 02:33:02,900
They'll just put, like, one 
flower or a couple of leaves. 

2412
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:06,100
And a whole batch and it 
completely changes it. 

2413
02:33:06,100 --> 02:33:11,400
Well and this is for Erica, 
adding biologically not as safe 

2414
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:13,400
obviously is like tryptamines 
and stuff. 

2415
02:33:13,400 --> 02:33:16,800
So right there, they will kill 
you if you take too much. 

2416
02:33:17,100 --> 02:33:21,600
But that being said, they're, 
you know, we think about 

2417
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:24,500
hallucinogens is being 
tryptamines or arga teens, 

2418
02:33:24,500 --> 02:33:27,000
right? 
And engines, for example, is 

2419
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:29,900
right, that that, which 
generates the God within we 

2420
02:33:29,900 --> 02:33:32,900
think of, as those kinds of 
drugs, there's more evidence 

2421
02:33:33,100 --> 02:33:37,000
It's that tropane plants were 
used as entheogen. 

2422
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:40,600
'S then any of the other ones? 
I mean, we know they were using 

2423
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:44,200
that stuff. 
But the problem is, you know, 

2424
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:47,500
half the time, you don't 
remember it, you have complete 

2425
02:33:47,500 --> 02:33:49,500
Amnesia and regard to the 
experience. 

2426
02:33:50,400 --> 02:33:55,200
If you eat enough, it can last 
up to, there's a report of one 

2427
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:59,100
of the first reports in America 
of of Soul, Spanish soldiers, 

2428
02:33:59,100 --> 02:34:02,900
eating it and and he was 
intoxicated 411. 

2429
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:07,100
Days. 
So, that's scary too crazy. 

2430
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:10,400
Yeah, but my got three kids but 
two of them are grown. 

2431
02:34:10,400 --> 02:34:11,700
What I got? 
Ya little kid. 

2432
02:34:11,700 --> 02:34:15,500
You know, yeah, that I can't 
even imagine doing something 

2433
02:34:15,500 --> 02:34:17,900
like that. 
Sounds like that persisting. 

2434
02:34:18,500 --> 02:34:22,100
What's it called? 
HP p d-- uh, PPD. 

2435
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:27,600
But yeah, let's wrap it up here.
Again, check out all of PD's 

2436
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:29,700
links. 
Follow me on social media buys 

2437
02:34:29,700 --> 02:34:33,800
books, if you haven't already 
check, you know, also stay 

2438
02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:37,300
tuned, he's obviously A couple 
books coming out here and we'll 

2439
02:34:37,300 --> 02:34:39,500
have him back on. 
I mean he's welcome on any time.

2440
02:34:39,500 --> 02:34:42,400
You can come on as much or as 
little as you want. 

2441
02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:43,700
So we definitely have you back 
on. 

2442
02:34:43,700 --> 02:34:46,000
I know actually I was talking 
with Alec. 

2443
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:48,200
Maybe we can do one with both 
you and Alec to. 

2444
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:49,400
I think that would be kind of 
cool. 

2445
02:34:49,700 --> 02:34:51,500
Oh yeah. 
That'd be fun Alec and I go way 

2446
02:34:51,500 --> 02:34:54,500
back. 
But yeah, this was awesome. 

2447
02:34:54,500 --> 02:34:56,400
There's obviously a million 
things that we didn't get to 

2448
02:34:56,400 --> 02:34:57,400
that. 
We probably could have talked 

2449
02:34:57,400 --> 02:35:01,300
about to so but yeah, we'll do a
patriotism. 

2450
02:35:01,400 --> 02:35:02,900
Yeah, st. 
Peter snow. 

2451
02:35:03,100 --> 02:35:06,500
And yeah, love nerding out with 
You and I know a lot of our fans

2452
02:35:06,500 --> 02:35:09,100
who are well, read into these 
subjects, really appreciate you 

2453
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:12,300
and your research and a lot of 
great. 

2454
02:35:12,900 --> 02:35:16,900
Yeah, look, I think that when 
people do their homework and 

2455
02:35:16,900 --> 02:35:19,800
their research, the passion 
really comes through and I think

2456
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:22,500
that's what people respond to 
through use like, you're not 

2457
02:35:22,500 --> 02:35:25,200
just nerding out about this 
stuff, too like you know you're 

2458
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:27,700
not out there making millions 
and millions of dollars. 

2459
02:35:27,700 --> 02:35:30,900
You're actually out there for 
this quest for this other thing.

2460
02:35:30,900 --> 02:35:33,900
And I think that that obviously 
is rare that again when people 

2461
02:35:33,900 --> 02:35:37,700
do that. 
It's true and it's it's 

2462
02:35:37,700 --> 02:35:39,800
passionate I think people really
respond to that. 

2463
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:42,700
So, yeah. 
Well I appreciate it. 

2464
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:48,500
That's I have I have a lot of 
gratitude for all my fans and 

2465
02:35:48,500 --> 02:35:51,700
readers. 
Awesome man, anything you want 

2466
02:35:51,700 --> 02:35:54,700
to ask Shane? 
Before we wrap it up here, I 

2467
02:35:54,700 --> 02:35:56,700
appreciate you coming. 
Like I said, a lot of this is me

2468
02:35:56,700 --> 02:35:58,800
learning and you answered a lot 
of my questions to some the 

2469
02:35:58,808 --> 02:36:00,900
stuff that's pertinent to me. 
So thank you very much. 

2470
02:36:00,900 --> 02:36:03,400
I just wanted to also, say you 
guys for watching, check this 

2471
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:05,300
out, check out one. 
A warrior. 

2472
02:36:05,300 --> 02:36:07,100
They saved my life. 
I donate if you can. 

2473
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:09,200
I appreciate that. 
So, thank you very much. 

2474
02:36:09,900 --> 02:36:12,100
Absolutely. 
Thank you, pleasure to meet you 

2475
02:36:12,700 --> 02:36:15,800
pleasure to meet you. 
Thank you Shan for the super 

2476
02:36:15,800 --> 02:36:17,800
chats. 
This guy's single-handedly 

2477
02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:22,000
funding these episodes. 
No, but seriously, dude. 

2478
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:25,000
Love you appreciate. 
And I love when you come on, 

2479
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:29,700
shout out to like I said, 
everybody chat, K re B renamed. 

2480
02:36:30,700 --> 02:36:36,800
Light Hammer, Michael steed. 
Let's see here. 

2481
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:40,000
Who else do we get it here? 
Earlier, Leah was in there for a

2482
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:46,500
while, Alec, Alex Trent, Bob 
Marley. 

2483
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:47,800
I think it's the real Bob 
Marley. 

2484
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:51,400
I'm going to be honest, I don't 
know for a fact but I heard I 

2485
02:36:51,400 --> 02:36:58,200
heard I heard we big engine, I 
heard we definitely called upon 

2486
02:36:58,200 --> 02:37:01,500
the spirit through this the 
spirit of this conversation. 

2487
02:37:01,500 --> 02:37:05,600
So but yeah that's it. 
We're gonna Wrap it up here. 

2488
02:37:05,600 --> 02:37:09,100
We're going to do a short 
patreon segment with PDL upload 

2489
02:37:09,100 --> 02:37:11,100
that probably later tonight or 
tomorrow. 

2490
02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:15,200
And yeah, I just really 
appreciate what he's doing. 

2491
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:16,900
We do have to past episodes with
them. 

2492
02:37:16,900 --> 02:37:19,800
If you want to continue the 
listening Pleasures, we did one 

2493
02:37:19,800 --> 02:37:23,200
on alchemically stoned and more 
recently. 

2494
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,100
We did on one on angels and 
Vermillion, which I'll also add 

2495
02:37:26,100 --> 02:37:28,700
those links to the thing. 
If you want to support mind 

2496
02:37:28,700 --> 02:37:31,000
Escape, all you have to do is 
click the link tree, link down 

2497
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:34,400
below. 
We do have a merch store which I

2498
02:37:34,400 --> 02:37:38,800
have Some psychedelic experience
inspired, you know, designs in 

2499
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:43,200
there, some ancient, you know, 
knowledge type ones. 

2500
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:44,900
Just some really interesting 
ones in general. 

2501
02:37:44,900 --> 02:37:50,000
So check that out. 
I also, yeah, if you want to 

2502
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,200
support the show, the best way 
to do, it's honestly just 

2503
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:56,100
leaving us a nice review on 
Spotify or apple or subscribing 

2504
02:37:56,100 --> 02:37:57,500
to our YouTube channel and 
liking it. 

2505
02:37:57,500 --> 02:38:01,200
We do all of our episodes live 
on YouTube and we are also on 

2506
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:04,300
all audio platforms including 
video episodes on. 

2507
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:09,000
If I and yeah, our documentary 
as within. 

2508
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:13,700
So, without from UFOs to DMT 
premieres, March 10 through 12 

2509
02:38:13,700 --> 02:38:17,800
at the Roswell, UFO Expo, Shane,
and Toby. 

2510
02:38:17,800 --> 02:38:20,800
And I will all be speaking there
as well as you can. 

2511
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:22,500
Check out our other podcasts, 
they do is chain. 

2512
02:38:22,500 --> 02:38:24,600
It's called the Roswell UFO 
Symposium. 

2513
02:38:24,900 --> 02:38:29,000
Maybe we can get PD on there and
talk, straight straight UFOs. 

2514
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:32,100
That would be kind of fun. 
I think it's good that was, 

2515
02:38:32,100 --> 02:38:35,900
don't forget, I'm also on 
witnessed Military Witnesses. 

2516
02:38:35,900 --> 02:38:38,600
UAP my third podcast. 
So check that one out as well. 

2517
02:38:39,200 --> 02:38:41,300
Check Shane out on there and 
actually we just interviewed 

2518
02:38:41,300 --> 02:38:46,600
James Fox who directed and made 
the phenomenon. 

2519
02:38:46,600 --> 02:38:49,900
If you've ever seen that UFO 
documentary. 

2520
02:38:49,900 --> 02:38:51,300
I think it's the best one out 
there. 

2521
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:54,200
He just recently came out with a
new one called moment of contact

2522
02:38:54,200 --> 02:38:59,000
on the Virginia, Brazilian case.
So yeah, that's it. 

2523
02:38:59,100 --> 02:39:02,800
I'm going to play the 
documentary trailer on the way 

2524
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:07,300
out and we love everybody. 
D, stay safe out there and we'll

2525
02:39:07,300 --> 02:39:10,500
catch you next time. 
Peace, thanks guys. 

2526
02:39:20,200 --> 02:39:21,600
Is it real? 
Or is it not? 

2527
02:39:21,700 --> 02:39:26,800
That's what you're asking me. 
I still to this day. 

2528
02:39:26,900 --> 02:39:30,500
Can't find any rational 
explanation for what I saw 

2529
02:39:31,900 --> 02:39:36,800
extremely intelligent. 
Highly Advanced hyper 

2530
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:41,300
technological. 
Be, I think that we just don't 

2531
02:39:41,300 --> 02:39:47,800
look at the perception of 
reality in the right way, yet to

2532
02:39:47,800 --> 02:39:53,700
go very close to the point that 
I can see just one big light and

2533
02:39:53,700 --> 02:39:58,900
then it stopped and then it shot
up in the sky, you know, you 

2534
02:39:58,900 --> 02:40:03,200
know, you're not dreaming but 
you wonder how real any of it 

2535
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:07,200
really is. 
It dawned on me it was real. 

2536
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:10,200
This this took place but then I 
still didn't do anything with 

2537
02:40:10,200 --> 02:40:11,000
it. 
Never said anything. 

2538
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:16,600
Anyway, there is some 
mind-altering aspect to these 

2539
02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:20,000
UFO encounters. 
A lot of people get a sense of 

2540
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:23,300
missing. 
Time, I noticed that these three

2541
02:40:23,300 --> 02:40:24,800
stars were kind of in a 
formation. 

2542
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:29,700
It was a triangular formation 
condensed into entities or 

2543
02:40:29,700 --> 02:40:34,300
beings that you interact with 
who are sentient. 

2544
02:40:35,800 --> 02:40:39,800
The chemicals which are going 
into our brain are making the 

2545
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:47,200
unconscious archetypes cover, 
like how things evolve from pure

2546
02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:51,900
energy to matter. 
Definitely was kind of a 

2547
02:40:51,900 --> 02:40:58,700
paradigm shifting moment. 
As we continue to evolve in our 

2548
02:40:58,700 --> 02:41:01,500
own Consciousness, we will 
perceive of new modes of 

2549
02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:05,400
interpretation, but that may be 
dependent upon how this supposed

2550
02:41:05,400 --> 02:41:14,000
phenomenon reveals itself to us,
and sure why we discredit The 

2551
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,400
Human Experience. 
When it's not in alignment with 

2552
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:23,800
our current belief system, it's 
important to consider that one. 

2553
02:41:23,800 --> 02:41:27,700
We don't really understand what 
I'm Mine's do under the 

2554
02:41:27,700 --> 02:41:32,400
influence of psychedelics. 
They all attached to the reality

2555
02:41:32,400 --> 02:41:35,200
of some other realm. 
Call it the Paranormal, doesn't 

2556
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:38,400
matter what you call it, 
spiritual realm, Supernatural, 

2557
02:41:38,400 --> 02:41:43,300
metaphysical, doesn't matter. 
The fact that we're essentially 

2558
02:41:43,300 --> 02:41:45,700
vibrates and energy in a 
sentence and the when this 

2559
02:41:45,700 --> 02:41:49,200
experience is over, the, that 
particular energy transforms and

2560
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:51,100
doesn't die, because it can't 
die. 

2561
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,400
Fills me with. 
A lot of comfort that there is 

2562
02:41:53,400 --> 02:41:59,200
something else after this 
so-called Here and Now, They 

2563
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:02,400
show you how much of your 
reality is subjective and 

2564
02:42:02,400 --> 02:42:05,800
fragile and capable of being 
influenced by a psychedelic 

2565
02:42:05,800 --> 02:42:09,500
drug. 
It's only from a scientific 

2566
02:42:09,500 --> 02:42:12,200
background. 
You come up with some Asian is 

2567
02:42:12,200 --> 02:42:17,200
that range from geomagnetic to 
Atmosphere to something that's 

2568
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:20,900
physical in nature. 
There's a lot more out there 

2569
02:42:20,900 --> 02:42:23,000
that we don't know than we do 
know. 

2570
02:42:24,900 --> 02:42:28,400
So the entire system the human 
body is effectively a 

2571
02:42:28,400 --> 02:42:34,000
stimulation response machine, I 
think something's here, I don't 

2572
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:36,000
know what it is. 
I don't know where it's from. 

2573
02:42:36,100 --> 02:42:42,600
It could be extraterrestrials 
Tell it made a full rotation and

2574
02:42:42,600 --> 02:42:45,300
then it just hit an insane speed
and just shot up straight into 

2575
02:42:45,300 --> 02:42:49,600
the atmosphere. 
I think that there's compelling 

2576
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:53,700
evidence that psychedelics have 
played a significant role in 

2577
02:42:53,700 --> 02:42:57,100
human evolution over a long 
period of time. 

2578
02:43:00,300 --> 02:43:03,800
The owl view of reality. 
The reality we experience on a 

2579
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:07,000
day-to-day basis seems to be 
this very, very thin slice of a 

2580
02:43:07,008 --> 02:43:09,800
something far, larger is, and 
far more 

2581
02:43:20,500 --> 02:43:26,400
as within. 
So, without From UFOs to DMT.