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I am joined by Edward Crowe. 21 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,040 He is the manager for the rapper Yelawolf, A visionary 22 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,720 photographer, and the founder of Murder Cigars. 23 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160 But beyond the music in the business, Edward has carved a 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,600 unique path that blends artistry, ritual, and 25 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,840 consciousness. If you would like to support 26 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,480 him, please click the link down below. 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,160 We're going to dive into the world where hip hop meets 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,200 ceremony, exploring how sacred mushroom use, creative 29 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,840 discipline and authenticity shapes not just the art we make, 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,600 but the lives that we live. This one's about the alchemy of 31 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,560 creation, the courage to evolve and finding meaning in the 32 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840 modern ritual. Let's dive in. 33 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,440 All right, welcome to mind escape, new telos. 34 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Edward, how are you? I'm doing wonderful. 35 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,240 How are you, Mike? Great, great. 36 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,920 I love having new people on the show trying to diversify a 37 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:40,160 little bit in terms of topics and guests and things like that. 38 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Why don't you give us a little bit of your back story on how 39 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,680 you got into the psychedelic stuff and the the the path that 40 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,400 led you there? So growing up, I was a magician 41 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,600 like a like a performing magician. 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,680 I did close up and stage magic. I was some bigger magician's 43 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,320 assistants. So I've always had this, this 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,360 love for magic and like the mystical, my grandmother used to 45 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,880 read me HP Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce and a lot of esoteric 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,680 occult leaning literature that sparked my interest very, very 47 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,080 young. So all through my life I kind of 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,120 had this love for, for mystery. And as I got older, I stopped 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,120 doing magic shows and started becoming more interested in 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,880 mystery schools and, you know, the occult, you know, esoteric 51 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,720 teachings and, and things like that. 52 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,160 And then that led to one time I thought I bought a couple pounds 53 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,160 of mushroom from somebody in my full intention was to was to 54 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,280 make money and that's it. I didn't know anything about 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,760 them, had no context of the background. 56 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,800 I bought them and realized real quick, people buy mushrooms one 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,480 time and then that's about it. You know, I mean, for a while. 58 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,280 So I got stuck with like a pound of them. 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,320 So I just started eating them. No, no real knowledge of what's 60 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,240 going to happen or, or what they stand for. 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600 And I figured out, I'd say we took me and a friend of mine 62 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,080 split an ounce one night and we took that in some tea. 63 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,240 And I had an experience in the bathroom. 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,840 I got sick. And then when I went to wash my 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,920 hands, I turn around to look in this, this like translucent hole 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,320 in reality opens up. And it was this Indian goddess. 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,240 We've all seen her. She had her hands like this. 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,040 I don't know which one she was. She had all these hands behind 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,200 her. And I was fascinated. 70 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,000 And it was very, very seductive, not sexually seductive, but 71 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,760 like, you know, trance like seductive. 72 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,880 And it was pulling me in. And the more that I I wanted to 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,680 go in, something told me, if you come here, you die there. 74 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,920 And I felt this fear come over me and then it vanished and 75 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,480 didn't come back for the rest of the trip. 76 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,120 I've had a couple other crazy experiences where things 77 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,040 actually happen like that. But that's the very first time 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,920 that it made sense to me that this thing is more, you know, I 79 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,120 didn't realize at the point that it was like a sacrament, you 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,160 know what I mean? I had no knowledge of the tribes 81 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,760 and, you know, people that did this in other countries, and I 82 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,280 didn't really understand any of that yet. 83 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,320 But I kept doing it, kept doing it, kept upping the dose, 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,000 started taking it out in nature. And all of a sudden it was like 85 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,680 the mushroom. Just let me know, you know what 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,360 I mean? Like this is before this whole 87 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,840 psychedelic renaissance, you know, whatever's going on right 88 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,040 now, I've been doing this a long, long time and I still 89 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,760 don't do it. Like these days, I won't do it 90 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,120 with more than two people. You know what I mean? 91 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,560 It's we don't do a bunch of people. 92 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,840 I don't advertise. I don't, it's not a retreat. 93 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,920 It's just one of those things when somebody needs it and they, 94 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,000 they want to come, then I'll, I'll facilitate, Right. 95 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,720 But it's all, there's no cost involved. 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,880 There's nothing like that. But this all, that's how it led 97 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 to my, my interest in psychedelics. 98 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:58,640 Interesting. So when you do these ceremonies, 99 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,440 or is that what you call them ceremonies? 100 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Yeah, I call them ceremonies or journeys. 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Yeah. Journeys where do you, do you 102 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,000 have a a special place? Is it out in the woods? 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Is it, you know, like where do you do it? 104 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,240 I do. I used to do it inside and, and 105 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:20,680 this is pride 6-7 years ago now and I had like a, a, a strange 106 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,640 long bathroom. It was like kind of kind of thin 107 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,040 and long. And I would do it in there for, 108 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,720 I mean, a couple years man, I would just lay next to the 109 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,560 toilet with a small air mattress. 110 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,400 And I mean, cause the doses that I was taking are high doses, 9g 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,680 and up. And back then it was, it was 112 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,960 more around 12 to 14. Now I stay about 9. 113 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,440 I found a good mushroom I like it's potent enough. 114 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:49,640 But and now I've moved outside, I haven't done it inside in over 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,440 2 years, but I have a a piece of property, 11 acres and it's 116 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,560 mostly forest and I have an abandoned building that a friend 117 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,320 of mine came to town a a really well known visual artist and he 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,480 painted his beautiful mural after we had an experience and 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,280 it's called we are the hands of our ancestors. 120 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:12,600 But we we have one spot on my land and I purposely go there 121 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,920 and meditate and bless the lamb. We built a fire pit. 122 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,120 I know this is deep, but my mother passed away a couple 123 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,920 years. It was a big supporter of, of my 124 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,160 journey and my my love for mushrooms. 125 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,840 She she definitely would partake and understood the benefits. 126 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,280 So on Christmas morning at sunrise, I put some ashes of 127 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,280 hers at this sacred spot and covered it with crystal she gave 128 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,200 me. And that crystal is forever 129 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,960 there. We form a triangle out of the 130 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,360 crystals and it's like a place of protection. 131 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,920 So I mean, we take it really, really serious. 132 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,720 It's, you know, there's a prayer that said in advance, it's more 133 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,520 of an intention setting thing. It's definitely not in relation 134 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,520 to any religious activity or anything like that, but it's, 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,520 it's like an intention setting, man. 136 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,080 And I find it that really preparing and being conscious, 137 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,640 having respect for the mushroom and going in the right way 138 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,240 really, really determines the success of AI. 139 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,600 Haven't had a bad trip in a long time, Very, very long time. 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,200 Maybe a couple years, and I don't anticipate ever having one 141 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,000 again, but I have no problem navigating through darkness, you 142 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,840 know what I mean? Or uncomfortable places. 143 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,680 But yeah, to answer your question, only in nature and 144 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,000 specifically in one spot, unless I have the opportunity to go to 145 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,880 another country or Hawaii or something like that. 146 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,360 I've been to Jamaica and did a outside sunrise ceremony on the 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,720 coast on top of a fossilized coral reef. 148 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,200 So yeah, I prefer nature. Interesting. 149 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Yeah. I've been camping my whole life 150 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,320 and obviously did a lot of experimenting in the woods. 151 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,000 I did just read an article not that long ago, I think like last 152 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,160 week where like 3 guys were hiking on a mountain and they 153 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,040 all, yeah. And then they had to be like 154 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,320 brought back by the DNR or the Rangers or whatever. 155 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,600 So, yeah, I mean, knowing you're set and setting, yeah, I mean, 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,600 you can if you're, if you're an experienced psycho now you can 157 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,800 probably push the boundaries a little bit, you know. 158 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,040 But if you're not, you know, to your point though, too, with the 159 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,840 high dose, I mean, sometimes you get out there and you're just 160 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,520 completely disconnected from, you know, that whole realm too. 161 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,280 So yeah, knowing your, your zones and everything super 162 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,600 important. Yeah, I've had some pretty weird 163 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,360 experiences and I, I personally don't love doing, you know, 164 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,080 anything like that anymore with anybody else. 165 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,680 I've just seen people like get weird and yeah, I don't know, 166 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,040 I've had some weird experiences where people get like 167 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,080 territorial or I don't even know how to explain it. 168 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,880 Just like they turn on you. Yeah, yeah. 169 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,320 I've just. And even growing up, like in 170 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,960 high school, when we would do it in the days of not having the 171 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,640 reverence for the compounds and everything like that, you look 172 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,480 at people as like opposition or that guy's not really my friend 173 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,840 or I see right through this shit, you know, or whatever the 174 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:27,280 case may be. So I absolutely, I'm, I'm a solo 175 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,520 guy. If I do it at this point, which 176 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,080 I've, you know, done it enough to know like similar to what 177 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640 you're saying, like, you know, what to expect. 178 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,760 There's probably not going to be any negative fallout or anything 179 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,800 like that. But yeah, I mean, has anything 180 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,400 crazy ever happened out there with anybody or. 181 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,840 Yeah, man, actually it has on a couple occasions. 182 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,240 I mean, I always figure out a way to keep it under control 183 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,640 because I know what I signed up for, you know what I mean? 184 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,640 And I understand that these things take people into places 185 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,240 they might not even know existed in their mind. 186 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,520 A couple people have have shit their parents, you know what I 187 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,240 mean? It's it's not uncommon. 188 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,400 You know, they're usually embarrassed, but I told them, I 189 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,960 told them, you earned that, you know what I mean? 190 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,160 Like that's like a black belt psychedelics, you know what I 191 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,960 mean? Like if you get to that point, 192 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,120 you know, you want to clean up quick. 193 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,440 But yeah, it's like the purge is a part of it, man. 194 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,520 When you put your nervous system through that heavy of a push, 195 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,000 you know what I mean? It's like I've actually looked 196 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,200 up the similarities between when a person dies and they, you 197 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,160 know, use the bathroom in their pants or, you know, they throw 198 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,000 up the minute their, their, their body dies, right? 199 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,520 And I've looked up the similarities and they're 200 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,520 similar, but it's more like your nervous system on high dose 201 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,120 psilocybin. It's like your nervous system 202 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,680 can't handle it. When you die, your nervous 203 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,400 system shuts down, you know? We had been a lot of people on 204 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,280 ayahuasca purge, they barf, shit, everything. 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,600 So yeah, that's not super uncommon for getting, you know, 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,240 into those higher states of consciousness. 207 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Right. And it's, I mean it's a, you 208 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,280 know, it's an electric field, man. 209 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,960 It's like it's it's I'm sure you can relate to this, but there's 210 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,120 times when like someone who's not really familiar with these, 211 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,920 these places might say, oh man, I don't really feel it anymore. 212 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,840 And then it's almost like automation, you know what I 213 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,360 mean? It's like it'll crank back up on 214 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,600 you and play with you. And you know, so it's definitely 215 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 not something to play with, man. But I lock up all phones in a, 216 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,560 in a safe, right? I mean, of course, no weapons, 217 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,840 no weapons of any kind. We put all the keys in the safe 218 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,960 to the cars. You know, by the time you get on 219 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,240 9 grams, you can't figure out how to open the safe. 220 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,800 So you're fine. There's no cars to drive the 221 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,040 gates locks. Like I take it really, really 222 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,200 serious and I'm very, very careful and think of safety for 223 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,480 the people involved as the highest priority and 2nd respect 224 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,480 for the mushroom, you know, and knowing how to go about that 225 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,920 because that that's my thing. I don't really micro dose. 226 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 I play with it. Occasionally I'll, I'll take a 227 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,920 little piece or something, but I can't get it right for some 228 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,720 reason. You know, it'll, it'll, it's 229 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,760 either I don't feel anything at all, which is kind of where you 230 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,880 want to be. I want to be in an elevated 231 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 mood. But then sometimes I'll take it. 232 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,520 I'll mess up my whole day. And I'm a music executive, so I 233 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,000 have to communicate all day long. 234 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,800 So if I have a day where I get knocked sideways, it's going to 235 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,040 ruin everything, you know what I mean? 236 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,280 So. Yeah, let's. 237 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,920 I don't think we mentioned that you are the manager for Yelawolf 238 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,600 and you also have a cigar company called Murder Cigars and 239 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,880 you are also a professional photographer. 240 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,000 So kind of like a a polymath here. 241 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,880 That's right. That's right. 242 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,560 Yeah, I'm doing a little bit, I'm doing some real estate right 243 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:53,320 now. We're, we just launched my 244 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,200 website, cleaned up the website to be more on brand with what's 245 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,480 going on now. Yeah, we got a lot of cool stuff 246 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,120 going on, man. I got a great team and I work 247 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,200 with a couple of really good artists, really incredible 248 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,000 artists. Yelawolf being the main 1, you 249 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,800 know, and he's, he's extremely supportive of everything I got 250 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,000 going on. That's awesome. 251 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,480 And so when you do these excursions and things like that, 252 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,440 do you ever use that to help kind of fuel your creativity? 253 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Or is it more of like a spiritual seeking adventure kind 254 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,240 of a thing or what's going on there? 255 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Great question great question So I've been business for the last 256 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,240 decade and my mother, before she passed, she always used to 257 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,920 remind me to be creative because I originally came up I went to 258 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,160 magnet school for theater arts. I went to another magnet school 259 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,160 for visual arts was in a Memphis College of Art. 260 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,000 I'm, I'm an artist at heart, visual, but so yeah, I mean, as 261 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,080 far as mushrooms and psychedelics in general, but 262 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 most mostly psilocybin. It brought me back to who I was 263 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,520 as a child and I'm very, very thankful. 264 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 They've inspired me to be more creative and creativity as 265 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,400 therapy, you know what I mean? So in turn, in effect, they've 266 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,760 allowed me to be less stressed. I used to drink a lot. 267 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,040 I didn't think I had a drinking problem at the time, but I was 268 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,920 partying with all the artists I work with and I also wasn't 269 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,520 running anything. I was the merch guy. 270 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,080 I was the lowest guy on the totem pole, took 1/2 an ounce 271 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,800 one time. And my intention was to figure 272 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,320 out how to get the drinking and check because I wouldn't drink 273 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,640 every day. But I was the guy that would get 274 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,960 in trouble every time he did drink, right? 275 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,880 So the mushrooms. I swear after that trip I didn't 276 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,360 even like to taste anymore. But I'm also not a sober person. 277 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,120 I'll, I'll gladly have a glass of wine with you, a Margarita if 278 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,080 we need to, you know what I mean? 279 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,400 But it's interesting how it shifted everything. 280 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,040 And then after that, I was able to rise through, you know, the 281 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,520 different things in the business because I wasn't drunk all the 282 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,320 time, you know what I mean? But. 283 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Oh yeah, you don't have to convince me, man. 284 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,480 I, I, I'm not a fan of alcohol at all. 285 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,320 And not just because obviously, you know, I've known a lot of 286 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,200 people and people, my family and stuff that I've had either 287 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,320 issues or pass away, but just the fact that doesn't do 288 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,080 anything for me. I think psychedelics, cannabis, 289 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,400 things like that, or for me have always, you know, I like to 290 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,800 learn when I, when I get in those zones, I like to learn 291 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:32,480 something or figure out a problem or, you know, get, get 292 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,640 out there. You know, philosophically, I 293 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,200 don't love the idea of like, numbing myself, if that makes 294 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,520 sense. I'm the same way brother. 295 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,840 I'm the same way and I feel like the longer I've stayed away from 296 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,320 it, not to get too far out there, but like things where you 297 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,200 start to realize you can drive your reality and you focus and 298 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,440 you study, you know, and, and then things start to fall into 299 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,320 place. You know, life's going good. 300 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,240 I've noticed it. The, the more I hone in on that 301 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,079 superpower when I drink, I drink so, so rarely that when I do 302 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,119 drink, it takes me a couple days to get back to my mojo. 303 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,560 You know what I mean? Like it's not, it's not as as 304 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,119 relevant until I get that out of my system. 305 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,400 So I, I do everything I can to stay away from, if there's 306 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,440 something celebratory, I'll toast or, you know, enjoy a 307 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,760 drink or whatever. But yeah, mushrooms have done 308 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760 that. But also like you said, I mean, 309 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,920 creativity for sure. But also, man, mushrooms keep me 310 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,080 sane. And I know that sounds crazy 311 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,120 that you do something that makes people crazy or think they're 312 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:37,040 crazy to stay sane. But I do several different 313 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,240 businesses. As we mentioned, I deal with a 314 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,600 lot of different personalities. And I have to turn from, you 315 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,000 know, the guy that's straightening this guy out to 316 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,880 the guy that's lifting this dude up or helping this lady out. 317 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 And you know, we're talking about merch one minute, the next 318 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,080 minute we're talking about mushrooms or photography. 319 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,440 We're switching lanes constantly all day long. 320 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,200 And that's, and that's tough, right? 321 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,440 But when we go on tour, you're dealing with a bunch of 322 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,120 different personalities. Lot of them are really good, but 323 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,120 they're different. Some of them are bad, you know 324 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,760 what I mean? Like life, but a lot more of it, 325 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,080 more frequently. And I always take a big dose 326 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,000 ceremony before I go on the road, no matter what I have to 327 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,400 do. I'd rather go with one pair of 328 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,920 clothes and make sure I get that ceremony in, you know what I 329 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,920 mean? And then when I get home, same 330 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,960 thing to wash it all off. It's like a soul shower, you 331 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,240 know? And everybody around me will 332 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,880 tell me, I mean, they've gotten used to it and say, like, dude, 333 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,240 you need to trip mushrooms. You need to go take that, take 334 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,000 care of that, you know? So it's become such a part of my 335 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,680 life. And people around me are aware 336 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,440 of that as well. Yeah, and I was going to ask you 337 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,480 too. So being involved in like hip 338 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,320 hop hop and having artists and stuff like that, You know, I, 339 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,760 I'm a musician myself. I'm more into like jam bands, 340 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,920 jazz rock, that kind of, you know, fusion stuff, you know, 341 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,960 the the psychedelic stuff has always been kind of tied to like 342 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,200 hippies, like Grateful Dead Fish, that kind of stuff. 343 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,640 Is hip hop culture starting to embrace psychedelics or is that, 344 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,240 you know, is there there always been an underbelly? 345 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,360 I feel like it's, you know, if if there's a connection there, 346 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:18,120 it's probably somewhat more recent based on. 347 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Just observation, Yeah, I think, I mean, you're right. 348 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 You're definitely right. A lot of a lot of the hip hop 349 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,200 community from my experience, seems to be, you know, 350 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,880 suspicious of it or, or nervous about it. 351 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,640 You know what I mean? And I tell him I'm nervous every 352 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,880 time. You know what I mean? 353 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,320 I'm usually I'm nervous right now about the next time, right? 354 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,800 That's that's not a reason not to. 355 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,200 There's other reasons, but I would say Andre 3000, in my in 356 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,720 my opinion, I think he he might have dabbled, you know what I 357 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,160 mean, just just based on pry the same reasons you would think so. 358 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,120 And there was an obvious shift that I can relate to in his 359 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,600 career. And I think it was incredible 360 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,760 and beautiful. A$AP Rocky I think is 1, you 361 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,280 know, and there's a, there's a handful of man, I think it, I 362 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,880 think it has its place. I've heard Kevin Gates talk 363 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,080 about using psilocybin. But no, it's definitely not as 364 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,680 relevant as like a hippie community or, or rock'n'roll or 365 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,160 something like that. But even the world in general, I 366 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,680 hear a lot about micro dosing and chocolates, you know, and I 367 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,120 don't hear as much about the fruits and the and the sacred 368 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,400 aspect of these. These things right, but. 369 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,640 Yeah, it's the the, the reverence thing. 370 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,480 I mean, look, I mean, when I was in high school and stuff and 371 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,920 look, I've always had this like subconscious wanting to explore 372 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,280 more. So I've never just been like, 373 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080 oh, let me just take this or whatever. 374 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,440 Like it's never been like, oh, I'm just going to take these 375 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,320 compounds and, you know, trip out, man, or anything like that. 376 00:20:55,360 --> 00:21:00,480 You know, there's always been some reason or intention or I've 377 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,200 done it at concerts. I've done it at a lot of 378 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,160 concerts. But yeah, in terms of that, I 379 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,400 think the the idea of it is people like, oh, I just want to 380 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,480 see colors and patterns or I just want to, you know, get out 381 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,880 of this mind space that I'm in or whatever the case may be, 382 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,080 party whatever. Anyhow, especially like, you 383 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,200 know, MDMA and stuff, I mean, those are pretty heavy in the 384 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,240 party scene. But when you look at like 385 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,600 psilocybin, I mean, I I think that there's some there is 386 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,760 something magical to it that even the first few times when I 387 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,520 was younger and didn't really know a lot kind of set me on 388 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,440 that path. But you have to be receptive to 389 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,920 it too, if that makes sense. Like if again, if you're just, I 390 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,600 know people that same did at the same time, same way as whatever 391 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,560 in their life went way off the rails, you know, So it's not 392 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:03,280 like it's a cure all or a, a panacea that's going to fix your 393 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,720 mind or your problems or anything like that. 394 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,880 But I do think having, like you said, that you were always 395 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,440 interested in mysteries and things like that, I think 396 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,840 knowing that there's more to life and using it as a tool to 397 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,600 kind of investigate that, I think that's kind of where I've 398 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,360 landed on in my later years where I don't need to do it 399 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960 hardly at all. If you know, right now. 400 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,520 I got a lot of stuff going on in my life. 401 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,440 There's been times where I did it a lot. 402 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,680 There's been times where I've done it a little, you know, so 403 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,120 it's there if you need it and you don't always need to do it, 404 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,200 if that makes sense. The 100% and I'm, I'm big on 405 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,400 again, safety, you know, I don't like to promote high dose and 406 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,200 all this stuff without making it crystal clear that I know and 407 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,960 understand that that can be very dangerous. 408 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240 And there's a certain protocol that you have to take to do 409 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,360 that, you know, as safe as possible. 410 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,520 Can't even say safely, as safe as possible, right? 411 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,440 But I tend to use mushrooms. And again, this is not something 412 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,120 for someone who's new to this, but I mean, when I'm at my 413 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,720 worst, when the world is all over me and I'm stressed out, 414 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,960 you know, what happens to all of us. 415 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,720 I don't mean it's, you know, too crucial. 416 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,920 But when I'm in a place where I can't stop complaining, you 417 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,080 know, there's certain things going on and I'm angry I have to 418 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800 go out to that circle and eat 9 grams. 419 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,320 And the reason I eat 9 grams, I've taken an eighth before. 420 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,240 And man, I have all these thoughts, all these ideas, all 421 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,760 these things go through my mind and I, it doesn't make me sick. 422 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,440 I know that sounds crazy to people who don't know. 423 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280 I know you get what I'm saying. But you know, some people don't 424 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,120 understand that if I don't get that out of me, sometimes I've 425 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:43,640 been worse off after the trip then I was before. 426 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,920 And I was searching peace, you know, I was looking to be 427 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,240 chilled out a little bit. So I stick to my 9 grams because 428 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,320 it gets the job done. I get sick every time. 429 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,920 Again, I know that's not, doesn't sound pleasant, but I 430 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,360 feel so much lighter, you know what I mean? 431 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:04,240 And I feel incredible and I spread that incredible, the best 432 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720 of my ability to everyone that I come in contact with. 433 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,760 And that's my goal is to just wash off any sharpness, any 434 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,080 acidic vibe that I might have and get myself back on the 435 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:21,440 frequency that I'm proud of. Absolutely, yeah. 436 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:27,240 And you know, do you the, the, I prefer the macro obviously, too. 437 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,880 I know microdosing is kind of like a big trend, but I've 438 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,640 always been a macro guy in the sense that when you do one of 439 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,560 those large doses, you don't want to do it for a while. 440 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,160 You want to marinate on the things that you learned about 441 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,040 yourself and the insights and things like that. 442 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,760 When you do the the 9 grams, like how, how often would you 443 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,600 say time? How many times a year do you 444 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,640 think that you even do it? Probably not that many. 445 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,960 Man, when I have it, when I have it my way and I'm not gone next 446 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,160 week, I got to go to New Zealand and I'm back on tour in 447 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,680 November. So it's like it's hard for me 448 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,120 right now and it's about to be cold. 449 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,120 But if I have it my way every two weeks, every 14 days, and, 450 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,920 and again, it's, it's very regulated, it's under super 451 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,000 control. There's a couple people who 452 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760 aren't present who know that I'm here and know what I'm doing. 453 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,360 You know what I mean? I take every single precaution, 454 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,720 but I also need that two weeks for one, for any kind of 455 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240 tolerance. You know, you don't want to get 456 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 into some tolerance thing. You don't want to overwhelm your 457 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,240 system, right? And you also need time to 458 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,400 integrate. You know, I personally take a 459 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,920 lot of lessons from the mushroom. 460 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,680 It's definitely not just colors and waves and things like that. 461 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,640 It's lessons and it's not easy. You know what I I know you're me 462 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240 and you were on the same page. You, I know you're understand 463 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,240 what I'm saying, but it's like, it's not easy, you know what I 464 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,040 mean? But it's worth it, you know, 465 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,400 It's like you got to have the courage to walk through that, 466 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,280 understand that, get those lessons. 467 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,360 I don't want to come back to the mushroom unless I properly 468 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,880 integrated and practiced what I promised I would practice, you 469 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,760 know what I mean? There's things in that moment 470 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,000 that are so you can feel them in your bones, you know what I 471 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200 mean? It's like the most serious thing 472 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,760 ever in your entire life. And I take those things very 473 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,360 seriously. And integration is maybe the 474 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,480 most important part of the process, you know, proving to 475 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,040 this, whatever it is, whether it's within me, I don't claim to 476 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,000 know. I don't know if it's within me 477 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,320 or if it's something without me. Definitely feels like it's 478 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,120 something without me. But again, I can't claim to 479 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,160 know, you know what I mean? But I do know that I get those 480 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,080 lessons and it's important to implement them in real life. 481 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,880 Oh, for sure, yeah. And you know, it's. 482 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,840 I was talking about this, I forget who with who, maybe I 483 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,160 think Matthew Paddle Mary a couple of episodes ago, but we 484 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,440 were talking about it's almost like a dream sometimes when you 485 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,280 come out of it. I started writing things down 486 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,200 while I'm in those zones because it's like I said, I, I don't do 487 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,080 it often anymore, but when I do silent darkness meditation, it's 488 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,200 almost like a fact or I say fact finding mission, not a fact 489 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,640 finding mission, but just like a mission to explore my creativity 490 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,400 and, and, and really kind of explore my mind and things that 491 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200 I've been thinking about philosophically and things like 492 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440 that. So if I come up with an idea or 493 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,080 an insight or whatever, I write it down. 494 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080 Sometimes you come out of it and you're like, even though you 495 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,000 just wrote it down, you're like, I don't, that doesn't make 496 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,240 sense. It's not, that doesn't make 497 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,200 sense, but it does. It's not like, Oh, that's not as 498 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,920 big of a breakthrough as it was when I was in there because I 499 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,040 think that when you're in those states, there's other things 500 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,720 happening. Your mind is operating on a 501 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600 different plane. So things that are clear to you 502 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,320 in that moment are not clear when you come out. 503 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,840 Like I said, almost like a dream. 504 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,120 So I think it's important, you know, that, you know, maybe, 505 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,720 maybe there is a disadvantage to me writing things down too, but 506 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,680 I've also gained some stuff out of it too. 507 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,160 So I think it's. It could be, could go either 508 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760 way. I think that's incredible, man. 509 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,360 It's all it's something I've I've done through the years. 510 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,240 I'm working on a book with my fiance called Hello from another 511 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600 lifetime psychedelic archaeology or psycho spiritual 512 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,360 understanding. And it's it's exactly what 513 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,880 you're saying. But she'll know when to wait to 514 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,680 the right point where you know, you can be in a spot in your, in 515 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800 your trip where it's not OK to talk, you know what I mean? 516 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,000 So we kind of figured out a way to get where she knew when to 517 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 talk to me. We would come up with topics, 518 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,200 ideas to explore, almost like she was asking a Ouija board or 519 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520 something, you know what I mean? Would ask me in that space. 520 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480 And then she would write it down and we would record it. 521 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,520 And then the next couple days, part of my integration, I would 522 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,760 journal and just riff on those topics and see what came out 523 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,400 right. A buddy of my Danny Newman, told 524 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600 me that we don't really come down from this frequency the 525 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,320 next day. You know what I mean? 526 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,800 I found it really interesting. It's like is any Newman. 527 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,000 Like PD Newman. Absolutely, yeah. 528 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,800 PD. Newman. 529 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,160 I've had him on the show probably 8 times. 530 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,480 That's my boy, man, that's crazy. 531 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400 I don't. Know I love, I love PD, yeah. 532 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320 Yeah, yeah. No, that's my brother right 533 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,360 there. In fact, I've been trying to get 534 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,680 him back on the show to discuss his books Ghosts. 535 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,320 But yeah, we'll get we'll we'll figure that out soon. 536 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,440 But yeah, he's a he's a good dude. 537 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,160 He's actually in the documentary we made too, as within So 538 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,640 without from UFOs to DMT. Yeah, he's a really good dude. 539 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Oh yeah. No, he is a great dude. 540 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480 But actually it's it's small world because that's not even 541 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,480 who connected us. Actually, Dennis Walker Micro 542 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640 AKA Micropreneur is the one that connected us. 543 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240 Then it's another solid dude. Man. 544 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 That's my boy too. Good guy. 545 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Hell yeah, Hell yeah. So when you're you're so you 546 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640 said you, you mentioned you're making, you're writing a book 547 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,520 with your fiance. Do you have like a release date 548 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840 of mine or are you still just in the midst of the creating of it? 549 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 We're in the midst of creating it and we've been working on it. 550 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,880 And obviously it only happens when I'm on the trip. 551 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Only when I'm on the trip. Like I said, I'll riff on it a 552 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,760 day or two after. But the the main archaeology 553 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,920 comes from the trip, right? And we don't have a release date 554 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640 right now because we're so concerned with it being 555 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,800 absolutely incredible. You know what I mean? 556 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,880 I don't want to make content. I don't want to use AI. 557 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,800 It's all coming from the mushroom. 558 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,200 I'm listening to mushroom as the third author, you know what I 559 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,520 mean? Because I, I got tripped out one 560 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080 night and I said I don't feel right. 561 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,760 I wasn't even going to put the book together because I didn't 562 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,520 feel right. I felt like it wasn't my work. 563 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,120 You know what I mean? It's I've looked back over it in 564 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,400 the last couple of years and was really pretty blown away. 565 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,400 But it's just stuff coming from the mushroom coming from the 566 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,320 trip, you know, and I'm, and I'm honored that that we're able to 567 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,960 get it. For sure. 568 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,320 That's awesome. So have you done is have you 569 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,480 only done psilocybin or have you tried other compounds and this 570 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,000 is psilocybin is just your favorite one or? 571 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920 I've tried other compounds. I've done ayahuasca 2 separate 572 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,480 occasions. Both times. 573 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480 One time was two nights in a row, one time was just one 574 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,160 night. It was cool It I don't I think 575 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120 that the shaman might have went a little light on me. 576 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880 I asked him not to, but there was a lot of people in there who 577 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,480 had never done any hallucinogens. 578 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520 So I get it. I understand. 579 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000 I mean, people were going crazy, losing their mind, getting sick. 580 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200 I felt a little different, but it didn't affect me the same. 581 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,120 And maybe because, you know, just something I do, but I tried 582 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960 that. I've definitely smoked DMTI. 583 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,040 Enjoy it. I don't take as many lessons 584 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,680 from it, you know what I mean? It's, it's, it's more like a, a 585 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,320 roller coaster ride than, than class. 586 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,720 You know what I mean? Psilocybin mushrooms are just 587 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,160 like, and I mean, it's metaphorically, not literally, 588 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,480 but like church, you know, I mean, it's more like it's 589 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,440 mystical, it's spiritual, it's nature, you know what I mean? 590 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,280 It's you still. Kind of there too. 591 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,960 Even at a high dose, you're still, yeah, you might be out 592 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,080 there a little bit, but you're still there too, you know, like 593 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,080 you're not so far gone or so far in a different realm where like, 594 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480 you still have a foot in this reality. 595 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,400 Right. Absolutely. 596 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,680 No, you're right. And it's yeah, man. 597 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,720 Yeah, no, I, I, I, I it's a it's weird, right? 598 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240 I mean, just to think about, there's this ancient thing and 599 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,280 most people don't even realize we're actually closer in the the 600 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,360 lineage of evolution to mushrooms than we are, like 601 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560 plants and trees and things like that. 602 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,600 That's incredible. And, and I feel like I've always 603 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,880 said the, you know how there's a mycelial network below ground. 604 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,400 I feel like there's this like psychic invisible mycelial 605 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600 network above ground. You know what I mean? 606 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080 It we're, we're all on this frequency, as you mentioned, 607 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,760 like a couple people we've got in common. 608 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,480 You know, it's like, I just keep bumping into these people and 609 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,000 finding these people through this. 610 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040 It's like web of mycelium above ground. 611 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,960 It's invisible, you know, I know it's sounds crazy, but I don't 612 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,280 know what seems to keep happening. 613 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,640 But as far as other psychedelics like I, I, I bounced it around. 614 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960 Of course, I've tried a ton of LSD growing up. 615 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,400 I'm just, I don't want to be, I've seen people get burned out 616 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,080 on it. You know, I don't want to be 617 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,040 really careful of that because I don't feel that psilocybin will 618 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720 do you that way. And I still, I would use it once 619 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320 a year or something like that. I don't, I don't, I don't visit 620 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200 LSD very often. But other than that, man, 621 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960 psilocybin just speaks to my soul, you know what I mean? 622 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,120 And not everything does, you know, there, there's enjoyment 623 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,560 in all those things, but but I can't take it as serious. 624 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,960 It's not a sacrament in my world, you know. 625 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,400 Oh, for sure. I mean, psilocybin is by far my 626 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,719 favorite compound too. And it was one of the four. 627 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,199 Other than like cannabis, it was like one of the first 628 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,040 psychoactive compounds I really got into. 629 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,320 And I mean, oddly enough, later on in my life, I mean, I have 630 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,800 really bad OCD and anxiety. And that was the one thing that 631 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,360 helped me kind of get out of this like mind loop that I was 632 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,880 in that kind of. And I had already had obviously 633 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,239 a relationship with it and understood and then started 634 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:49,639 seeing literature, you know, anxiety and mental health stuff 635 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,920 and, you know, starting to do things like that. 636 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,320 So, you know, I was like, why not, you know, revisit this old 637 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,600 friend and yeah, it's been super beneficial and helping me 638 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,960 understand myself in my mind a lot more. 639 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,120 And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of data and research to to fall 640 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040 back on now with all that. But at the time it was, I mean, 641 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,280 I'm 41, you know, we're talking over like, you know, like 25 642 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,160 years ago or something crazy, you know, So but yeah, I know 643 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,880 it's fun to see where it's all kind of going. 644 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960 And it's fun to see the path that even like cannabis, you 645 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,400 know, it's, I live outside of Detroit. 646 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,840 And before that I lived in Chicago. 647 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,240 I grew up in outside of Detroit, moved to Chicago, you know, 648 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,280 after college and then moved back here just recently. 649 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,880 And yeah, I think that it's just seeing how cannabis has kind of 650 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,120 evolved in both places, the Detroit area and Chicago. 651 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,920 And yeah, it's, it's, it's, I would have never thought if you 652 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960 would have told me that when I was younger, 'cause like you 653 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,960 said, these things used to be super legal, super regulated, 654 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,360 super, you know, hush, hush, you know, if you even talked about 655 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,880 this kind of stuff, it was like, Oh my God, you know, But at the 656 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,600 same time, like I said, I grew up on Grateful Dead Fish, that 657 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,240 kind of stuff. Was going to see those shows 658 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:24,600 when I was 15/16/17. And there's a whole underbelly 659 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,560 culture with that, with all the, the compounds and everything and 660 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,440 that and literature and like electric kool-aid acid test and 661 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,480 on the road. And yeah, man, I mean, it's, 662 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,520 it's good times. It's, it's, it's fun to see 663 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,960 where it's all going now when you do these, you know, 664 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,640 ceremonies and things like that. Do you have a specific ritual or 665 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,240 is it just kind of get up in the woods and get out? 666 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,200 I know you mentioned the crystals and things like that, 667 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,480 but. Yeah, So it's yeah, that my bad. 668 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,600 I didn't even interrupt you. But yeah, there's there's 669 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,320 definitely, there's a I'd actually, I'll share it with 670 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,160 you. I'll send it to you. 671 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920 I don't, I don't share it publicly because I I feel it's 672 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,560 very private and it's very meaningful. 673 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,400 But I have a the only thing I can come up with is like a 674 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,280 passage or a prayer. Like I said, it's not, there's 675 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,080 nothing religious about it, it's just that's kind of the 676 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,480 reverence involved, you know, and it's, it's thanking the 677 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080 mushroom and giving respect and intention to the mushroom. 678 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,400 I have that. I meditate with whoever I'm 679 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,840 going in with. If it's someone who's never done 680 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,920 it or never went big, I usually just sit for them and I, I've 681 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,880 faced the other direction. I'll smoke a little bit and I'll 682 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,520 meditate. I'll keep the fire going. 683 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,720 I don't even look at them, you know, I tell them I'm not going 684 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,520 to talk to you unless you desire my conversation. 685 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,320 If you don't initiate the conversation and keep it going, 686 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120 I'm just going to say yes, you know, are you OK? 687 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,240 OK, You know what I mean? I keep it very brief. 688 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,560 And you know why, you know, But it's a, it's a ancient, as you 689 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,880 mentioned earlier. It's very ancient and I believe 690 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,920 very futuristic at the same time, you know, and the ritual, 691 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,400 as far as the ritual, it's the meditation, the practice. 692 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,400 Man, I'm always nervous when I'm making the tea. 693 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,840 Like if another person's over here, I've noticed I don't look 694 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,640 them in the eye when I'm in the kitchen. 695 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400 I'm real, like I'm real spastic and kind of all over. 696 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,360 And for a while I was like, man, why am I like that? 697 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,240 And I was like, well, hell, I guess because I'm about to eat 9 698 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,680 grams of mushrooms and my body knows it, you know? 699 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,960 But I'm literally in the kitchen when I'm making the tea. 700 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,880 I'm very nervous because I. Get that way after after I 701 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,360 ingested I'm like what the hell? Did I just. 702 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,640 Oh, yeah, yeah. When it's this, Wait, listen, 703 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,880 you had the baby. But yeah, it's all. 704 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,320 And then we do the meditation. The meditation is super, super 705 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,440 important to me. You know what I mean to clear 706 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,720 your mind, kind of get your get your thoughts situated. 707 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,240 I take air mattresses like camping air mattresses, you 708 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,360 know, the one person gets there as I get mine. 709 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,360 I have my same spot every time we take toilet paper, water, you 710 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,200 know that type of thing. Like I mentioned, lock up the 711 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,960 phones, no weapons, everything is locked. 712 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,480 The how you can't even get in the house. 713 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,920 You're so far from the house in the woods. 714 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,440 All you could do is get lost in the woods and you don't want to 715 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,720 do that, so you just stay on your float, right? 716 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,200 And then were you in Tennessee? Yeah, I'm in Tennessee. 717 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,920 Yeah, you got. Bears, you got. 718 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,720 Mountain lions you got. What's one of my only fears out 719 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,840 there? I went out there alone one 720 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,200 night. It took me till 2:30 in the 721 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,360 morning to get the courage to go out by myself. 722 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640 Mainly because of the wild animals, not the mushrooms, you 723 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,840 know, but it's, and then like I said, the crystals, you know, 724 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960 that's a, that's a part I've just kind of integrated into it. 725 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,920 They're mentioned in the passage in the prayer, and then zero 726 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,960 music, you know what I mean? It's just just the forest, just 727 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,200 the sounds of the animals, the birds, the bugs and the fire, 728 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,360 you know, And I've had a couple people come out there and say, 729 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,160 is there any music or is it, what are we going to do? 730 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,160 I said, just give it a minute, you'll figure it out. 731 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,880 You know what I mean? Once, once those nine hit, 732 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,480 you're not thinking about music. The nature provides the music. 733 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,600 That's right. That's right. 734 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,240 And actually, you know, the, if you've got it, you said you, you 735 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,360 did, you say you have like a campfire and stuff going. 736 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,680 One of my most transformative experiences was camping and in 737 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960 front of a campfire and seeing these crazy. 738 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,520 And I, I still won't go into it because it's private. 739 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,320 As you mentioned, you got to, you know, there's some things 740 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,400 you keep close to the, the vest here. 741 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:34,080 But that being said, yeah, one of my most crazy experiences was 742 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,240 seeing visions in a in a big fire while I was camping. 743 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,760 So, yeah, I mean, I think that you're you're on the right track 744 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,080 in terms of like the setup for, you know, having these 745 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,640 experiences for sure. Well, and thank you for saying 746 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,000 it. And I've also, and, you know, 747 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,760 again, a lot of these things you can't really back by science. 748 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,680 So you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt. 749 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,600 If it's within me, if it's without me, cool. 750 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,480 I come out happier, a better person. 751 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,520 I want to be nicer to people. And I'm doing better in my 752 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,720 regular life. So whatever the hell is going 753 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,480 on, it's working. But I feel like sometimes, man, 754 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520 you know, you'll make a good point once you're to the point 755 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,320 where you are talking and it's like there's certain animals out 756 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,840 there, certain birds, it'll like kind of say, yeah, yeah, what he 757 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,080 said. You know, I mean, like a bird 758 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,920 will chirp and he'll only chirp when you made a good point and 759 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,160 then we crack up about that. But being in that same place all 760 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,680 the time and caring for that place. 761 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,280 I left after one trip and, and when I left, I locked the gate 762 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,880 and I was leaving and then I went to come back from locking 763 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,560 the gate and I just dropped to my knees and was like, thank 764 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,560 you, You know, and I, I mean, I'm not a necessarily a 765 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,280 religious person or anything like that. 766 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,200 Just something about the forest made me feel like I had to thank 767 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,800 you, you know what I mean? I wasn't going to be back for a 768 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,040 month. I was going on tour. 769 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920 There's just a lot of a lot of love and respect out here on 770 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,200 this land in this forest, you know what I mean? 771 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,720 And it's all I feel I have. I have some, some native enemies 772 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,320 on my father's side. I don't know him. 773 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,920 So I don't know how much or any details, but I feel a very 774 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,600 Native American approach, you know what I mean? 775 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120 I feel like I have a relationship with the land, a 776 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,320 relationship with the mushroom. And that sounds outlandish to 777 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,480 some people, but it's, it's been a thing longer than it wasn't, 778 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,960 you know what I mean? So I mean, all these cultures 779 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040 from other sides of the world are right here in our own 780 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,160 country and you know, South America, everywhere. 781 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,280 It's like this has been kind of what they did. 782 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,640 It was just now that is not. So to tap back into it. 783 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,480 I mean, I don't, I don't know what got me to that point. 784 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,720 Probably interest and things like that and the mushrooms. 785 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,560 But I'm very thankful, extremely thankful. 786 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,480 Yeah, that's awesome, man. Yeah, we've done this thing. 787 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,120 I go on this camping trip. Well, I haven't the last few 788 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,680 years. Actually. 789 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,840 I haven't since before COVID. But before that I had been every 790 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,720 single year. I mean, because during COVID we 791 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,240 had our son and, you know, there's just a lot of stuff 792 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,360 going on. But before that I got every 793 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,360 single year since I was like 5 years old. 794 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,800 And then when you become of age, you go off, you do, you know, 795 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,840 you go in the woods, you have fun, you know, whatever 796 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,800 experiment. And then when we became, you 797 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,240 know, high school, college, you know, obviously you're doing 798 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,720 different things. And yeah, I mean, the the woods 799 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,720 of northern Michigan have been very kind to to me and my 800 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,000 insights. And are you in the near the 801 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,040 Smoky Mountains or just? I'm I'm in route to the Smokies. 802 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,240 OK, keep going. You if you left Nashville, I'm 803 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,040 on the way to the Smokies. Oddly enough, I've oh, go ahead, 804 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,400 sorry. No, no, you go ahead. 805 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600 You go ahead. I was to say, oddly enough, one 806 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,160 year we went to Bonnaroo after we graduated high school. 807 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120 That was when it was still all jam bands playing there. 808 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,440 And I think it's Manchester, TN, but we stopped off in the 809 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,240 Smokies and had a couple experiences there and yeah, 810 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,520 super amazing woods there. And I know my former Co host of 811 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,120 my cousin, he's spent a lot of time hiking those mountains too. 812 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,520 And was it Klingman's Dome or something like that? 813 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520 He always talked about the. Hiking my language bro. 814 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440 How about in the Mount Lecant? Probably. 815 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,240 Yeah, something like that. But yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm all 816 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,200 about that. I love all that stuff so. 817 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,680 Mount Lacan is one that I probably went to 15 years in a 818 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,000 row and I probably tripped seven of those. 819 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,760 And we would go up there and I've taken a lot of good 820 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,680 friends. There's some crazy stuff 821 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,520 happened up on that trail, but it's 5 miles up, five miles. 822 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,240 Stuff happens in that area in general. 823 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,920 I know like two people that have been permanently banned from 824 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,800 Gatlinburg, which is weird that like neither of these two people 825 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440 are even from Tennessee so. Damn. 826 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,040 Yeah. That's crazy. 827 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Yeah. No, I love it up there, man. 828 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,040 Smoky Mountains are really beautiful. 829 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,640 Oh, for sure, man. I I love, I love nature in 830 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,400 general. But yeah, the Smoky Mountains 831 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,120 are specifically very beautiful range. 832 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,800 So when you when you come back from tour, do you feel like it's 833 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,120 almost like a, a, a necessity to do one of these ceremonies? 834 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,640 Is that kind of like a like decompress process? 835 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000 It's the first thing I do, it's the first thing I do. 836 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,960 Like, you know, I'll get home, rest, but I mean, the next day 837 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,000 everybody knows I'm going to the woods and I'm going to reset. 838 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,480 And I think it's in everybody's best interest. 839 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920 You know, it's inspired me to, I've told this a couple times, 840 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,240 but we've had a wolf, had a friend, Yellow Wolf had a friend 841 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:44,040 named Pooh Bear, who he introduced me to at some point. 842 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,360 And Pooh Bear had this thing where he was just really good 843 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,320 positive guy. And instead of saying hello, he 844 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,920 would just always say happy birthday. 845 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,000 And I, I loved it, but he was so eclectic and like, I just didn't 846 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,440 have it in me to, to do that. I got it and I wanted to do it. 847 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,840 And then just like last year, year and a half ago, we were on 848 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,560 tour with me and Wolf and it was a late night and he was like, 849 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,400 man, we should start doing the happy birthday. 850 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,880 You know, I mean, just, let's just do it. 851 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,800 So we started doing the happy birthday and then we took it a 852 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,080 step up and I would get, you know, they have riders in the 853 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,720 green room where you get whatever the artist wants. 854 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,320 And on the rider, I will put a birthday cake every single show. 855 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,240 And at the end of the show, I get everybody involved from 856 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960 everybody on the crew, the people in the hallway, the 857 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,480 security guards, everybody bring them in, sing happy birthday. 858 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,240 When it's time to say who it is, you let everybody say their 859 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,640 names and it is good luck to take a bite. 860 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,800 So, you know, we're just taking this stuff, man, and trying to 861 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,480 be positive, like even as adults, remembering to step 862 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,320 outside of any hypnosis that may have a hold of you and remember 863 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,200 where you come from. You know what I mean? 864 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,400 That's important for me at this point in my life. 865 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,480 Remember the child within, They say the creative adult is a 866 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,280 child who survived. I love that quote. 867 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,840 I don't know who it belongs to, but it's so important for me to 868 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,560 use that as like a mantra and understand creativity is therapy 869 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920 and don't get caught up in, you know, the things that everyone 870 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640 wants you to get caught up in, you know what I mean? 871 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,240 It's important to clean that off and kind of calibrate. 872 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,520 For sure. Oh, yeah. 873 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,960 I mean, there's been plenty of times where I've had heavy 874 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,200 things happen where it's nice to just kind of, you know, doe sit 875 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,440 down and kind of navigate from there. 876 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,600 So I can, I can totally understand your need to to go 877 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,720 through that process. What about like creativity? 878 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,080 So like, you know, you're a photographer, you know, you, 879 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,920 you're involved with music and, and artists and things like 880 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,000 that. Do you think that these 881 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280 experiences are essential to those processes or do you how do 882 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,720 you, like implement things that you learn in those realms into 883 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,320 your creative processes? So that's something I'll say 884 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,320 about DMTDMT is really inspired my creativity. 885 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,240 I don't really take too many life lessons away from DMT, but 886 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,520 it inspires me to be creative. I was doing DMT on the coast of 887 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,360 Hawaii at a place called 7 Sacred Pools off the road to 888 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,880 Hana. I can't remember the name of the 889 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,040 town but it's off the road to Hana and it's outside of Maui. 890 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,560 Anyway, after I did that trip, I mean, as I was in the trip of a 891 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,080 wave machine, I sleep to and I was in this DMT zone and I 892 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,040 thought as I was coming to, I thought I was at my house in my 893 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,200 bed and I thought the waves crashing on the shore where my 894 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,600 wave machine. Then I came to and all of a 895 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,560 sudden I was taking pictures. I was just shooting random 896 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,880 landscapes and nature and stuff like that. 897 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,040 It's only reason I had the camera. 898 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,600 And then all of a sudden I had this idea. 899 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,280 It is, it's easy to say like take a picture, flip it, mirror 900 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,840 it, and then you get this entity in the middle, right? 901 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,600 But getting creative with that and using that in nature, like 902 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,640 you could go take a picture of a path on the woods, just a 903 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,920 straight up picture and then split it down the middle, flip 904 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,160 it and mirror it, you know, symmetrical and you get like 905 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,240 this weird entity. We, you know, we know what that 906 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,040 is. But I started getting really 907 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,440 creative with that idea and doing it with fire and doing it 908 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,280 with different kinds of stones and rocks and imagining how it's 909 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,480 going to look ahead of time. I'm working on another 910 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,400 photography book. These things all can take a 911 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,840 couple years. It's not any rush. 912 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,480 It's called Entities Patterns based on what I'm telling you 913 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,760 right now. And it all started from that DMT 914 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,160 trip on the coast of Seven Sacred Pools. 915 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,760 So there's that. Psilocybin just inspires me to 916 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,240 to, to spend my moments wisely and remember that this time is 917 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,880 passing currently and to live in the moment and living in the 918 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,080 moment, you know, I need something to inspire me to do 919 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,840 that. And creativity is that 920 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,600 inspiration. That's that tool. 921 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,800 That's that therapy, you know. And as I mentioned Rhyme earlier 922 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,640 when he came to town, this is a crazy story, but my mother used 923 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,360 to always tell me be creative, be creative. 924 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,800 And I was like, yeah, I got you. But I'm good at this business 925 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,320 and that's what pays the bills. So I'm doing it. 926 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,800 I'm doing it. Rhyme is a really well known guy 927 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,800 was introduced by my buddy Dax and he called one day and he 928 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,320 said Ryan told me he wants to come see you. 929 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,600 Now about two years before that they were doing like a 930 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,040 psychedelic road trip and then we're going to stop by my place. 931 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,720 But they never made it to Tennessee and I just never 932 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,000 talked to him since then. And they called me randomly like 933 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800 Ryan wants to come see you. It was a weird call. 934 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,800 I don't really know what's going on. 935 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,400 I was like, alright, cool. So so he comes to the land, he 936 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,600 takes me on some DMT ceremonies. We were we were in his own all 937 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,720 day. We played music, we played 938 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,080 drums, we played singing bowls. He's throwing notebooks at me 939 00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,720 and markers and like, draw, right? 940 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,800 Let me hear you. You know what I mean? 941 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,480 Like, he doesn't even understand at this point. 942 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,040 I don't think what it is he's taking a part in and didn't even 943 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,920 have the knowledge of. And he said at one point we're 944 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,440 just both sitting on the porch, like, you know, tripped out 945 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,040 smoking DMT. And we're like, I don't even 946 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,760 know why I came. And then he told me about an 947 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,400 hour later, he said I figured it out. 948 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,200 I said, what's that? He said I know why I'm here. 949 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,720 I said why? He said to remind you to be 950 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,160 creative. And by the time he left, I mean, 951 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,360 like I said, we had been playing instruments and drawing and 952 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,040 writing poetry and it wasn't all the the best shit ever, you know 953 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,840 what I mean? But it was, it was the act, you 954 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,280 know what I mean? The act of doing it, remembering 955 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,480 to do it and making yourself do it, not worrying about if it's 956 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,000 good or bad. Some of the stuff we made, 957 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,040 played and created was incredible. 958 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,440 But that's not the point. The point is the act of it, the 959 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200 therapy of it. And he said to me, I know why I 960 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,360 came now. I said why? 961 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,600 He said to remind you to be creative. 962 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,640 And I told him that my mom used to tell me that all the time. 963 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,960 What are the chances of you just showing up? 964 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,600 And then the next day I took him on a psilocybin trip and I have 965 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,640 my little rules and regulations. I rolled up two joints 966 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,200 beforehand and I said you smoke, you want a joint. 967 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,880 He said, how many did you roll? I said two. 968 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,000 He said I'm on the same program as you. 969 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,600 He said everything you do to the T, I'm following your lead. 970 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,680 And then that night I got lost in the woods and he said I was 971 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,160 there for about 3 hours. He searched the whole house. 972 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,800 We ended up having a great. It was kind of like, he's a real 973 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,680 psychonaut and I'm a real psychonaut. 974 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,080 So it was like playing ball with somebody who could play, you 975 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,120 know what I mean? And we had an incredible 976 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,880 journey, man. I can't wait till he comes back 977 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,800 because it's always fun to let you know. 978 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,720 You got to be careful when you're doing this with someone 979 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:47,320 who's not really that season because things can go let, they 980 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,240 can go left when you're not, but they can really go left, you 981 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:53,160 know what I mean? Like when you don't know what 982 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160 you're doing, you haven't had enough experiences. 983 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,720 I have one. It's been about a month ago now. 984 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,040 Last journey I did was with a friend of mine and and she 985 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,680 started feeling like she was dying. 986 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,000 She was like I'm it was about 5 hours in she was like I'm dying 987 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,800 I keep coming back I'm dying I keep coming back. 988 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,720 And something allowed me I ate just as much as she did. 989 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,080 Something allowed me to come back long enough to go over 990 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,880 there and be calm and I wasn't bothered by it. 991 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,680 I wasn't freaked out. I had everything in me to tell 992 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,000 her my my advice was definitely tripped out because she was 993 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,680 like, I'm dying and coming back. Am I OK? 994 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,320 Help me talk to me. Breathe. 995 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,760 And I just got to breathe right. And I said, I said just keep 996 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,520 dying, just continue to die. And then she's I'm dying, I'm 997 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,480 coming back, I'm dying to come. Just talk. 998 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,600 I said, die again, please die again. 999 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,560 And then the moon, it was a full moon that night. 1000 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,680 The moon was shining on her. And I said intuitively, I said, 1001 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,360 now bask in the light of the full moon and please be reborn. 1002 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,960 And you know, I'm again, this is metaphorical, right? 1003 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,520 Like you can. Sounds like something that's 1004 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,080 like inscribed on an Egyptian temple or something. 1005 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,360 It felt like something that would be inscribed on Egyptian 1006 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,200 Temple Man. It was it was the craziest. 1007 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,200 What felt like an initiation, you know what I mean? 1008 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,640 It was like, but I was able to step outside of that zone. 1009 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,920 And I'll tell you something else that I think is really 1010 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,040 interesting about that mushroom specifically. 1011 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,760 So my fiance knew about a buddy of mine gave me a a bag a while 1012 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,080 ago and I ate on those for a couple months and I loved them. 1013 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,160 They were really healing. They just, they were just the 1014 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,360 most incredible mushroom I've ever experienced. 1015 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,160 I ran out. The guy who gave them to me 1016 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,800 couldn't get a hold of them. I was like, man, I had other 1017 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,000 mushrooms coming in and they were great. 1018 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,480 They did what mushrooms do, but it just wasn't mystical. 1019 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480 It didn't, it didn't hit like sacred, you know what I mean? 1020 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:51,040 And, and I was at this festival, walking through the festival in 1021 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040 the, in the population with the, with the people. 1022 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,680 My artist Yelawolf was performing and someone walks up 1023 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,800 to me. And I mean, they, it wasn't 1024 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,240 super random. I mean, a lot of times he'll put 1025 00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:03,120 the people he works with on a social media. 1026 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,800 They knew who I was via him, right? 1027 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,040 But I'm walking through the crowd and I'm teaching my nephew 1028 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,720 how to shoot. I'm teaching him how to shoot 1029 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,240 photography and how to use the camera and giving him things to 1030 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,360 shoot, trying to help. And right about that moment 1031 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,600 we're working on the camera, someone says, hey, are you 1032 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,360 Edward Crowe? I said I am. 1033 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,600 I said, how are you? What's your name? 1034 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,000 I went to introduce myself and they said, man, I was giving his 1035 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,760 bag of mushrooms and told it was very important to get it to you. 1036 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,040 I said, well, that's incredible. I was like, you know what, I owe 1037 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,040 you. He said, you don't owe me 1038 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,160 nothing. It was just important. 1039 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,560 I give it to you. I take these back and they are 1040 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,960 the exact mushroom that I've been telling my fiance I have to 1041 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,720 have this mushroom. If I don't, I don't know what 1042 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,840 I'm going to do. They were the exact mushroom. 1043 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,760 I took them home and guess what told you I do 9 grams usually 1044 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,680 with one person. There was 18.5g enough to try to 1045 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,760 clone right and enough for two doses. 1046 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,160 And at the end of that trip, it was almost like the mushroom 1047 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,040 found me after hearing me talk about it so much, you know, 1048 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,760 again, I'm speculating. I'm, I'm, you know, whatever it 1049 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,720 is, what it is. But at the end of the trip, I 1050 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,400 was cleaning up the mess and we had brought firewood that was 1051 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,840 wrapped in like cellophane or Saran wrap. 1052 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,920 And I was cleaning that up to I was going to come back and clean 1053 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,920 everything else up in the morning. 1054 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,360 But just out of respect for the land, I was picking up whatever 1055 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,600 trash I could. I picked up one with my left 1056 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,360 hand. I went to pick up another with 1057 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,200 my right and I felt something slimy in my right hand and I was 1058 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,040 like, oh, did I pick up a slug or something? 1059 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,320 I open my hand and there's a fresh white mushroom that I just 1060 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,000 grabbed out of the grass. We took a flashlight and I told 1061 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,880 my friend Pam, I said, if you can find one more of these, I'll 1062 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,880 give you 2 hours and $200. You know what I mean? 1063 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,080 When I tell you, Mike, there was zero. 1064 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040 They were nowhere. It was the craziest thing ever, 1065 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,280 man. It was almost like the mushroom 1066 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,880 was like, you know, like winking at me or something. 1067 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,200 That was crazy. Did you ever find out what 1068 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,240 strain it was? The one that I found, yeah. 1069 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,440 Or you know, you mean the one that. 1070 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,040 The one that you that said it was important that you. 1071 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,760 I was told that it was originally, I was told that it 1072 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,360 was true albino teachers, but I've had some other true albino 1073 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,880 teachers and they just weren't the same. 1074 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,800 You know what I mean? It could have a lot to do with 1075 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,040 genetics and things like that. They weren't built the same. 1076 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,360 They look like two different mushrooms. 1077 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,960 One was short and stout, the other was like airy and fluffy. 1078 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,520 The good one. And yeah, I was told they were 1079 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,320 true albino teachers. I don't know for sure, but I 1080 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,840 know I definitely want to keep them around. 1081 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,080 Yeah, I don't know that's for sure. 1082 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,560 And actually, they've been decriminalized here in Ann 1083 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,560 Arbor, Are you? Serious. 1084 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,480 What? Are you still the side of 1085 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,160 mushrooms? Yeah, where the University of 1086 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,840 Michigan is, and actually there's one I was completely 1087 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,160 thrown. They're called Enigma. 1088 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:56,760 I was completely thrown off and yeah, these things really, you 1089 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,320 know, very, very potent. So yeah, there's a lot of, like, 1090 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,480 cross breeding, you know? You know, you got your penis 1091 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,960 envy, you got your golden teachers, you got your. 1092 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440 Actually, to be honest with you, one of the better podcasts I've 1093 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,320 heard. I don't know. 1094 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,920 Do you know who Hamilton Morris is? 1095 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,640 Yeah. Hamilton Morris did a podcast 1096 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:21,520 with the guy that created basically the penis envy strain. 1097 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:27,080 It was like an abort from the the Amazonian Terrence and 1098 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,520 Dennis McKenna batch. And yeah, it's kind of a crazy 1099 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,000 story. I recommend people go check that 1100 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,160 out if you haven't. Listened to it. 1101 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560 Yeah, really for sure story behind it. 1102 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,360 I've noticed. Like I said, man, I stick I 1103 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,880 stick to the golden teachers and the true albino teachers. 1104 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,400 Golden teachers, I'd have to take a bigger dose just because, 1105 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,960 you know, they're not as potent. But yeah, the true albino 1106 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,040 teachers are are my my thing for sure. 1107 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,680 Yeah, I mean, the the only thing that's ever like below, like 1108 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:04,680 visually, like I remember my buddy and I, so this was, I 1109 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,920 think I was 17. We went to the Group C that it 1110 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,320 was called the other ones. It was the Grateful Dead minus 1111 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,760 Jerry Garcia, obviously. It passed away and we were at 1112 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,240 the Palace of Auburn Hills, which no longer exists, where 1113 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,080 the Pistons used to play. And this, this hippies like you 1114 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,040 guys looking for anything. It was like, it was, I'm not 1115 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,400 joking. It was an acorn cap. 1116 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,480 It was like this big. It was like we split. 1117 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,240 It was 1/4. We like split it in half. 1118 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,280 It was crackle dry, you know, But yeah, no, you know, I'm not 1119 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,600 like huge into like, oh, what strain is it, man? 1120 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,760 Because I think that, you know, they all kind of do similar 1121 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,840 things. But I do think that there are, 1122 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,680 there are certain times where it's like, Oh my gosh, like this 1123 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,720 thing's double or triple the amount of potency that a normal 1124 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,560 cubensis or whatever. And that could be what it is 1125 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,240 too. It could be a potency thing. 1126 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,480 I mean, you know, I hate to. I know, like I said, the 1127 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,640 uninitiated probably think I'm crazy for continuing to talk 1128 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,400 about a purge. But like, there's a difference 1129 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,280 in the true albino teachers when you hear someone really purge on 1130 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,560 those, I mean, it almost sounds like they're speaking another 1131 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,000 language. You know what I mean? 1132 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,040 Like it's, it sounds like another language and a lot of 1133 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,560 the other mushrooms that I've seen, it just sounds like 1134 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,200 they're throwing up. You know what I mean? 1135 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,360 And there's, I don't know, man, it feels like there's something 1136 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,320 to that. You know, again, all this stuff 1137 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,320 is speculative. We can't really prove anything. 1138 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,600 My whole mantra and, and, and take away is just as long as I'm 1139 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,080 doing what I can to be a better version of myself, you know what 1140 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,640 I mean? And and I'm being happier to 1141 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,120 people and I'm finding a better meaning in life, whether it's 1142 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,720 within my own mind or it's something without, it's all just 1143 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,960 as good. Oh, for sure, man, there's no 1144 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,520 doubt to me that can't like, you know, previous, you know, my 1145 01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,640 late 20s and early 30s, cannabis and psychedelics have definitely 1146 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:06,840 made me more introspective, better person, you know, and, 1147 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,080 and you know, I think that there's something like that 1148 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,120 comes with those, like they make you not just evaluate, but it's 1149 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,520 like if you have a high dose psilicide and it's like, I got 1150 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,800 to get my shit together. I'm going to do this, this, 1151 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,840 this, this. And it's, it's important that I 1152 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,280 really do all of these things, you know, as opposed to just 1153 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,080 like making a list and like, Oh, I'm going to knock this out this 1154 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,280 week or whatever. It's there's almost like a pact 1155 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,920 that you have with like the mushroom where you're like, Oh, 1156 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,080 I've got to fulfill these things, you know, that I learned 1157 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,040 kind of a thing. Do you ever feel that? 1158 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,160 100% I love how you set a pact. Like I agree completely. 1159 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,040 And I don't like to go back to the mushroom until I feel like 1160 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,800 I've lived up to the pact, you know what I mean? 1161 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,400 Like until I've done my best at at doing what I was, you know, 1162 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,600 inspired to do, you know what I mean? 1163 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,440 And last time, this last trip I told you about with my friend, 1164 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,960 we both like one of the takeaways. 1165 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,320 I take away a lot is like ideas of death. 1166 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,560 Not not in a way that's like, and I know that's a common 1167 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,040 thing, not in a way that's like like a metaphorical rebirth. 1168 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,080 Like we're all aware we're not speaking, you know, your 1169 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,600 physical body becoming reborn, but a metaphorical, 1170 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:32,000 psychological, spiritual rebirth in adopting some of the ideas 1171 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,440 that we can learn from death, right? 1172 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,720 Death, when death comes, there's no explanation. 1173 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,440 You could have breakfast planned in the morning, dinner tomorrow, 1174 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,000 stuff to do for work. It doesn't matter. 1175 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,880 When death comes, it's time to go, right? 1176 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,760 There's no explanation. So something that you know, when 1177 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,440 you're, when you're busy and handling business and, and a lot 1178 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,200 of people want to explain things. 1179 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,960 I've taken the backseat to allowing people to explain me 1180 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,200 things. You know how I'll very kindly 1181 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,400 explain to them that I can't really. 1182 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,760 If I sat through every explanation throughout the day, 1183 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,200 that's all I would do. So that's one of the things I 1184 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,600 took away is OK, cool. When death happens, there is no 1185 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:12,960 explaining. So I'm going to, I'm going to 1186 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,680 abide by that. Another thing is I've got all 1187 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,720 these things. I don't, not even, I don't mean 1188 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,920 expensive things, just things. We've all got junk drawers, 1189 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,920 batteries and sunglasses and, you know, all kinds of random 1190 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,320 stuff. And I made it a point to this 1191 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,840 last time was like, when you die, what happens? 1192 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,040 They get rid of all your things, They give it away, they sell it, 1193 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,600 they keep a couple sentimental items. 1194 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,400 That's what I'm going to go home and do. 1195 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,000 So that's what I went home and did. 1196 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,520 I put every piece of furniture in my house except for my bed 1197 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,280 and my end tables on Facebook Marketplace for free. 1198 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,000 Had people come pick it all up. I don't want it. 1199 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,560 I don't want the energy attached to it. 1200 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,960 I don't think it'll be bad energy for someone else. 1201 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,680 But the me that wasn't the me today. 1202 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,360 Sat on that couch and thought like I thought before I was me, 1203 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,840 right? And that's a lesson that I take 1204 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,800 from death. Get rid of all that old stuff 1205 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,320 and it's OK if I got to go without for a little while. 1206 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,560 I don't have it where I'm just going to go buy all new stuff. 1207 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,680 It'll just make his way back into my life like it originally 1208 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,200 did, except for it will be attached to new energy. 1209 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,520 You know, my whole new outlook on life. 1210 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,240 That's what I need the objects in my room and in my home to 1211 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,040 reflect. That makes sense. 1212 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,560 And I think that we live in a weird time to where, you know, 1213 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,320 you can have a lot of things, right? 1214 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,920 We're not living in the 1800s or whatever. 1215 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,000 You know, there's Amazon and online shopping and you see 1216 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,520 something and you like something and you know, and you've again, 1217 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,480 we're attached to things like you said, couches, beds, TV's, 1218 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,640 whatever it is desk, you know, And if you felt like that was 1219 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:55,040 important to transition into a new, you know, mode of yourself, 1220 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,760 then you know, you got to do what you got to do. 1221 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,360 I completely understand that. So let's pivot a little bit 1222 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,280 here. And then I don't know if you 1223 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,960 know this, but we do a segment called Mike's Mind Melters where 1224 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,080 I ask you 5 philosophical questions. 1225 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,400 We'll get to that in a little bit, but why don't you tell me a 1226 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,440 little bit about your cigar company? 1227 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,240 I'm not a big cigar guy, but my dad is a huge cigar guy. 1228 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:23,000 Like I bought him some nice cigars for his 60th birthday. 1229 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,120 So what? What's? 1230 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,800 The you out of box of them murder cigars. 1231 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,840 So the reason we called it murder is because my name is 1232 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,120 Edward Crow and A and a group of crows is considered a murder, 1233 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,320 right? I also found out later that 1234 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,560 detectives back in the day would go in and because the crime 1235 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,400 scene wouldn't smell so pleasant, they would smoke 1236 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,720 cigars. That's kind of why you see the 1237 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,920 whole detective smoking cigars in the in the TV shows. 1238 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,520 But anyway, murder cigars. It all started when I got a 1239 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,960 phone call. Someone was offering me a cigar 1240 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,880 brand for Yelawolf. And I called Wolf and I told him 1241 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,760 and he said, I guess the wolf has always got my back and he's 1242 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,560 always true to himself. Like if there's something he 1243 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,440 won't do, he's not going to act like he will. 1244 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,520 So he said, he said, I don't smoke cigars, you do. 1245 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,000 And I was like, all right, cool. So tell him no. 1246 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,840 He was like, no, tell him we want to do one for you. 1247 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,400 And I said, well, that's cool and all, but, you know, you're 1248 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,440 the celebrity. You're the one that they want to 1249 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,520 do this. He basically let me know that 1250 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,240 he's got my back. He was like, Nah, let's do a 1251 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,560 cigar for you. I like the idea. 1252 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,280 So then my other partner, Kyra Wolf, designed the the band and 1253 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,680 the logo. It's evolved. 1254 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,800 And, you know, the box took a while and things like that. 1255 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,160 It took a 2 1/2 years to get the tobacco narrowed down and the 1256 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,720 cigar just right. And I'm really, really proud of 1257 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,760 it. It's not just a white labeled 1258 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,560 situation, you know what I mean? It's our cigar and it's a it's a 1259 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,920 really enjoyable cigar. It's a mild like cigar you could 1260 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,600 smoke all day long if you wanted to. 1261 01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:00,120 We launched it at Smokin O Cigar Festival and I think it's Wilkes 1262 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,840 Barre, PA with best cigar prices Laura and Jonas from Blackbird. 1263 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,840 And it was, it was incredible, man, everything that I thought 1264 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,000 that they wouldn't like about us. 1265 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,560 You know, you think about the cigar business kind of like like 1266 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,080 a good old boys network, right? Like there's gatekeepers, you 1267 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,120 know what I mean? There's people who are going to 1268 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,680 regulate whether or not you're allowed in, you know what I 1269 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,040 mean? And I got there and every single 1270 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,200 thing that I thought the packaging was different. 1271 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,920 The packaging doesn't look like they're packaging. 1272 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,680 It looks more modern. You know, it's a little more 1273 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,840 harsh. It's, it's just different. 1274 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,520 All their stuff, like most of the stuff at the festival is 1275 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,840 traditional. And I'm a fan. 1276 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,200 I love that look, right? But I liked it. 1277 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,280 We did something different. Everything that we did different 1278 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,280 is what they came and complimented and they absolutely 1279 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,960 loved us. So we were welcomed with open 1280 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,680 arms and then the product was good on top of that, which is 1281 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,400 most important. You can't smoke the band, you 1282 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,920 know what I mean? So. 1283 01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,840 That's awesome, man. I, I love, yeah, I love the idea 1284 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,320 of that. And I'm, again, I'm not a huge 1285 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,320 cigar guy. I don't really like smoke, 1286 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,680 smoke. I even like, if I do, you know, 1287 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,960 I vape cannabis, whatever. But like I said, my dad smokes. 1288 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,760 I bought him. I think it was like a nice 1289 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,920 anniversary box of padrone. Do you know what that is? 1290 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,760 Padrone, dude, Absolutely. Yeah. 1291 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,720 And I grew up. He's always had like, Cohiba 1292 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,040 shirts and Monte Cristo and you. Know he's a real smoker. 1293 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,200 Yeah, he's always been into like, we, I remember him taking 1294 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,479 me to like the cigar shop where there's like a bunch of old guys 1295 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,319 sitting around smoking cigars, cutting cigars, that kind of 1296 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,080 thing. So. 1297 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's something that I 1298 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:43,560 started to do as a pastime. I love cigars, I smoke cigars. 1299 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,600 I'm definitely not a connoisseur or anything. 1300 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,760 I don't know all the all the terms and all that. 1301 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,359 You know, I'm learning on purpose because we started a 1302 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,080 cigar brand. We need to be informed. 1303 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,800 But I'm really, really thankful that it worked out the way it 1304 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,840 did and it turned more from a side hustle like this would be 1305 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,120 cool. It'll be nice to have this 1306 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,000 little brand to all of a sudden it's selling and people are 1307 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,680 buying it and people are enjoying it. 1308 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,479 Yesterday we did a fundraiser for the Davidson County Drug 1309 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:17,120 Court and we were the only vendor there and we were giving 1310 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,160 away cigars. We weren't, but we were the only 1311 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,880 vendor that was allowed to be there. 1312 01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:24,520 I mean, the Davidson County DA, all the judges, the criminal 1313 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,960 defense attorneys. I'm sitting here thinking, what 1314 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,240 are we doing here with a cigar called murder? 1315 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,080 You know what I mean? Like, it was incredible, man. 1316 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,560 It was so awesome. That's funny that it's more so, 1317 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,279 yeah, it was definitely like a a paradox moment. 1318 01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,200 How do you use like source the Tibet? 1319 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,479 Like so like I, you know, where does I know tobacco? 1320 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,040 Where does it come from? Like Nicaragua? 1321 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:53,359 Cuba, Cuba, Dominican, Ecuador. We do a Dominican filler and an 1322 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,960 Ecuador wrap. OK. 1323 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,080 And it's a Maduro, so it's a darker cigar. 1324 01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:00,760 It's got like cinnamon, some floral notes. 1325 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,040 It's a mild body smoke, you know, it's, it's right in the 1326 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,400 middle, you know what I mean? So it's a good one, man. 1327 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,200 Do you ever use any any of the wraps for for anything else? 1328 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,960 No, no, no, no, no, you can't. Well, it's a real cigar. 1329 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,520 Doesn't. No, I know, I know. 1330 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,000 Well, yeah, I get what you say. Like did you unwrap it or? 1331 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,800 Yeah. I would have tried. 1332 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,320 To get into some blunt wraps or something eventually, like we're 1333 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,040 going to do because murder cigars are only going to be sold 1334 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,680 at like top shelf high end cigar lounges. 1335 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,360 But you know, I have the ability to get in many, many, many gas 1336 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,840 stations, tobacco stores. I don't want to put murder 1337 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,360 cigars in there. They're two top shelf, you know, 1338 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,160 but we do want to have a product like a blunt wrap or, or leaf, 1339 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,360 you know what I mean, something. Or even if you get something in 1340 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,640 the dispensaries, you know. Right, exactly. 1341 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,080 For sure. That's awesome man. 1342 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,960 Congratulations on that. I appreciate that. 1343 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,520 Well, Are you ready to get your mind melted with Mikes mind 1344 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,480 melters? Melt my mind, Mike. 1345 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:26,600 Let's go. All right, Edward, Are you ready 1346 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,480 to get your mind melted? I'm nervous. 1347 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,400 Just so, these are 5 philosophical questions. 1348 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,640 Answer them the best you can. There's no right or wrong 1349 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,080 answer. Some people probably debate 1350 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:46,600 that, but just do your best and let's have fun with it #1 what 1351 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,920 is something you believe in that you know is probably wrong or 1352 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,600 illogical but you are just not being honest with yourself? 1353 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:03,160 Something I believe in. That's a tough one, man. 1354 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:10,200 That's a tough one. Is there any kind of phone or 1355 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,240 friend or or any kind of? No, I would give, I'll give you 1356 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,600 an example. So like somebody that maybe his 1357 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,360 religious or believes in God, but deep down they know that 1358 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,880 maybe there is no God. Not that I believe that or 1359 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,360 anything, but that's just an example. 1360 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:29,720 Right, man, honestly, I don't, I don't know that I do believe in 1361 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,000 anything. Like that's one of the things is 1362 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,040 we can try another question, edit this out. 1363 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,840 But one of my things is is I'm kind of like so open minded. 1364 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,920 I believe everything and don't believe anything. 1365 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,840 No, we don't have we don't have to edit anything. 1366 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,120 That's your answer. That's fine. 1367 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,200 There's look, you know, I've got a wide array, you know, array of 1368 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,040 people that come on the show scientists. 1369 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,320 And I think if you're I'm ominous with myself, but I think 1370 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,040 that there are people that are not honest with themselves that 1371 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,640 are fooling themselves in some way. 1372 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,760 So that question is just to open it up, maybe there's a cognitive 1373 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,000 bias or a blind spot you're not aware of or something like that. 1374 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,480 But yeah, we don't. I'm reaching to say I was 1375 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:14,760 reaching to see, but I think that is my answer is to be so 1376 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,920 open minded that I understand that I will learn forever, 1377 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,640 forever be a student. I will never know everything. 1378 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,880 You know what I mean? And I think there's a beauty in 1379 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,280 that. But no, I don't have anything 1380 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,920 that I can think of that I believe in, that I'm not being 1381 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,200 honest with myself. Well, that's a great perspective 1382 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,240 and actually an ever changing philosophy is a is a great 1383 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:42,800 philosophy #2 Do you think there is an objective purpose for 1384 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:48,120 humanity and if So, what? An objective purpose for 1385 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,320 humanity. Objective meaning like it's on 1386 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,600 purpose or. Objectivism, like for everybody, 1387 01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,440 like it's to all live, you know and and love or so like we all 1388 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:06,720 have one not like yourself, purpose or telos, you know, but 1389 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,120 just. The purpose of all humanity, 1390 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,480 yes. I mean, my answer from my small 1391 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:16,640 perspective in the universe would be, you know, I believe 1392 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,440 the highest frequency is love and good energy and spreading, 1393 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,680 you know, like doing what you can to create a ripple in 1394 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,760 reality that brightens many other people's days, makes many 1395 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,840 other people happy and inspires other people. 1396 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,600 You know, I mean, that's my, my answer to your question is love, 1397 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,160 happiness, smiling, you know what I mean? 1398 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,560 Doing things to literally make people happy, happier, and try 1399 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,720 to create that ripple. Oh for sure, that's awesome. 1400 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:55,720 It's a great answer #3 do you think humans are special or 1401 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,960 separate from the rest of nature? 1402 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,560 If the answer is yes, give me your best example or explanation 1403 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,320 of why. I guess my answer would be on 1404 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,520 the fence because I believe that humans are different. 1405 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,480 And I think it's interesting because we're one-of-a-kind, the 1406 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:16,800 only species on the planet that drives cars and goes to school 1407 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,800 and does all the things we do as humans. 1408 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,280 But are we special? I guess it that has to be 1409 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,000 determined by what we mean by special, Like special. 1410 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,600 If different is special, then yes, but special, no. 1411 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,960 I mean, I think some of nature just sits back and quietly 1412 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,800 watches us, and it's probably just as alive or more than we 1413 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,760 are. You know, some of these things 1414 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,000 are hundreds of thousands of years old. 1415 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,000 So I guess that's my. That's a good answer. 1416 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,880 Melting my mind, Mike, you're melting my mind is working. 1417 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,360 Yeah, the the question is just to, you know, some people think, 1418 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,560 Oh well, we make tools or something like that, but 1419 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,240 actually there are primates that make proto versions of tools. 1420 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,080 You know, the difference would be we make recursive tools, 1421 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,960 which means we make tools that make tools that, you know, so 1422 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,920 like we're, we're on a rapid pace to keep separating 1423 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,440 ourselves from nature. And the reason why I asked that 1424 01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:16,760 question is twofold to just to pick people's brains and see 1425 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:21,280 what they think. And also to basically, you know, 1426 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,200 some people are religious or do think we have some sort of like 1427 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,200 divine thing in us that's separate from the rest of 1428 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,160 nature. And I'm just curious what their 1429 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,600 thoughts on, you know, people that believe that, what, what 1430 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,160 are their thoughts on that? So. 1431 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,360 Well, my, I mean, my main thing is we've discussed throughout 1432 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,480 this podcast episode is, I mean, I, I like to try to tune into 1433 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,320 nature as much as possible. So I guess me personally, I 1434 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,680 don't feel special. I feel connected and a part of 1435 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,560 you know what I mean. And actually, you know, the idea 1436 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,480 of like nature is God. That's a very Spinoza who is a 1437 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,280 famous philosopher. That's his idea. 1438 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,640 And actually, that's what Albert Einstein embraced is kind of his 1439 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:05,320 spirituality too, so #4. What's here? 1440 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,960 What do you think happens when we die? 1441 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,360 Very, very broad, Very broad. But I believe in a couple of 1442 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,080 different ideas. I mean, obviously reincarnation, 1443 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:24,240 you know, plays a role, but I also think that maybe I don't 1444 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:29,200 believe in any specific religious aspect of of what 1445 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,160 happens, you know, that I'm aware of. 1446 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,000 But I think that like your mind state throughout your life, you 1447 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,040 know how you purposely drive your emotions and what you let 1448 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,920 affect you and whether or not you contribute to the ripple. 1449 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,880 You know, the ripple's going to happen regardless, whether it's 1450 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,040 a bad ripple or a good ripple, but you know, whatever that is, 1451 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,320 I feel like whatever state of mind you're in, that might be 1452 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,200 your heaven or your hell, you know what I mean? 1453 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,000 Not that those things are a place, but if you carry that 1454 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,760 mindset into eternity, if it is an eternal thing and we go back 1455 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,480 to being one with whatever this whole thing is, right? 1456 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:08,280 I'm a big fan of the time when they refer to God as the 1457 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,120 unspoken word. You know what I mean? 1458 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,600 Because I believe as humans, it's got to be really hard to 1459 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,280 wrap your mind around what the creator must be. 1460 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,680 You know what I mean? And, you know, they made the 1461 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,000 analogy specifically in the Tao, the Dao physics where it's like, 1462 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,560 you know, and we've heard this several times, but the 1463 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:30,160 similarities between our cells in, in the universe or the 1464 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,760 planets revolving around the sun, you know, the sun being a 1465 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,880 nucleus. And so it's all, it's all very, 1466 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,360 there's many different ways to look at it. 1467 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,560 I'd say like, what if we're just a cell in some much larger 1468 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,760 creature's body? You know what I mean? 1469 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,000 Like, and then the only other thing that I would think about 1470 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,640 death, what could potentially happen is reincarnation. 1471 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,440 I had a journey one time real quick. 1472 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:58,000 If this is OK, can I tell you something? 1473 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,040 Take about a minute. Go, go off. 1474 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,960 So the my mother bought me a cabinet from a museum in in 1475 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,560 Carthage, TN. We had no idea. 1476 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,040 We had never heard of this tribe or didn't know what the cabinet 1477 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,360 was. She just knew it was a medicine 1478 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,440 man's cabinet and felt I should have it hand carved from a 1479 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,880 museum. She bought it, brought it to me. 1480 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,480 The little piece of paper with it said Yoruba tribe shaman's 1481 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:23,840 cabinet. So I was leaving for Europe. 1482 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,960 I put my mushrooms in this cabinet. 1483 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,920 When I got in the Uber to go to the airport. 1484 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,200 There's a gentleman driving and he was obviously an African man. 1485 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,240 And when he was driving, we were having small talk. 1486 01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,480 He asked me where I was going and this and that, and I said, 1487 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:41,000 where are you from? And he was driving and he turned 1488 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,520 around and looked at me like I should know. 1489 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,200 He said I'm from a place you may have heard of called Yoruba. 1490 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,680 And he looked at me like that. And I just was like, whoa, 1491 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,160 because I just got this cabinet right. 1492 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,280 And then I go to Europe. He says in my phone, he said it 1493 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,520 to me at first, May God watch over you on your journey in your 1494 01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,320 Reuben language. And I asked him, I said, can I 1495 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,720 please record that? He said absolutely. 1496 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,520 So he said it into my phone. I still have it. 1497 01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,840 And then I went to Europe, came back and I was in my bathroom at 1498 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,120 the time that I was telling you about doing a big dose trip. 1499 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:16,080 And I laid back and man it when I came up, I asked my my lady. 1500 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,960 I said, who is that? And she says just me but I 1501 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,960 didn't see her. I was surrounded by African 1502 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,760 people in tribal gear and it could have been the future, it 1503 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,240 could have been the past. I have no idea if it was the 1504 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,640 future of the past and I was either being born or dying. 1505 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,160 They loved me and I love them and I'm pretty sure I was one of 1506 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,360 them, you know what I mean? And I mean, it felt that strong, 1507 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,760 that potent. And it's ever since then, Yoruba 1508 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,680 keeps coming to me. I went to Cuba and met a Yoruban 1509 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,400 St. and not on purpose. I just bumped into him. 1510 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,320 I was in Cuba and then before this cabinet, I never heard of 1511 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,560 you, but I didn't know what it was or have any idea. 1512 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,160 So anyway that that could be just a psychedelic vision. 1513 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,320 Maybe I'm tapping in with something, maybe it's all in my 1514 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,200 head, maybe it's a past life. So that's my answer. 1515 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,760 Well, I mean the the synchronicity is a real 1516 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,720 synchronicity. It sounds like it's, you know, 1517 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,720 the, you know the. The. 1518 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,280 The weird thing about a synchronicity is I've never 1519 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,840 really heard a good explanation for it. 1520 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:25,200 There is. So I think Carl Jung used to 1521 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:30,920 have these back and forths with this physicist, Wolfgang Polly, 1522 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,520 who worked on the Manhattan Project, and they would go back 1523 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,560 and forth and, you know, give ideas of, you know, what it 1524 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:44,200 could be or whatever. Yeah, I think that when you have 1525 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,720 those moments where things happen like that, you have to 1526 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,200 pay attention and, and listen cause the universe is trying to 1527 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,920 speak to you and connect to you or give you some sort of sign or 1528 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,840 symbol or something. And you, you know, if you're 1529 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,360 there to witness it or you're, you've got an open mind to it, I 1530 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,720 think that there can be benefits to that. 1531 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,320 So that's awesome. Absolutely. 1532 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,640 I'll see. I'll see the, the thing, 1533 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,360 whatever it is, the creator, the God, the universe. 1534 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,160 I think it's, it's kind of like a citizen, another buddy of 1535 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,600 mine's podcast. But it's like you're playing 1536 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,200 with a puppy, right? Like it's like, and the more you 1537 01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,120 throw the thing to fetch, the more it plays back. 1538 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,800 But if you don't throw it, it doesn't play back. 1539 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,720 But in this case, I feel like the puppy, you know what I'm 1540 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,720 saying, just playing back with the universe. 1541 01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,680 And the more that I do that, the more I receive, the more signs, 1542 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:38,600 symbols and synchronicities. Yeah, that that's interesting. 1543 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,240 And I, and I hope there was a time where I was like so deep. 1544 01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,600 When I first started the podcast, like 8 years ago, I was 1545 01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,080 going through like a spiritual awakening. 1546 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,200 My mom had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast 1547 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,240 cancer. She's luckily fine now. 1548 01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,560 She's in remission. But at the time it like really 1549 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,600 shook me up and kind of sent me on this journey to look into all 1550 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,040 these different topics and spirituality. 1551 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,320 I was raised Roman Catholic, but by the time I was 12 or 13, I'm 1552 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,560 like, these people think they're right and nobody, you know, 1553 01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:10,880 nobody else in the world's right. 1554 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,160 Like this doesn't make any sense. 1555 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,960 So and then I revisited it when I got older and started, you 1556 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,160 know, getting into psychoactive compounds and spirituality and 1557 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,600 thinking about like aliens and stuff like that and 1558 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:28,080 contemplating the universe. So, yeah, man, I think that I 1559 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,800 think when, when you're there to witness these things, you know, 1560 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,320 like I said, I think they're the, the universe trying to give 1561 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,640 you a message. However, you got to be careful 1562 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,680 'cause I think you can start to put too many pieces together or 1563 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,920 get too deep in it, where you become, you know, disassociated 1564 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,440 with actual reality. I think you have to like walk 1565 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:53,320 that tightrope between, you know, or this liminal path, you 1566 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,840 know, if that makes sense. Agree, you can definitely go too 1567 01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,640 far down a rabbit hole and it might be hard to come back out. 1568 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,040 Oh, for sure. And I I know those people too. 1569 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,520 So, yeah, that, that, that exists. 1570 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,520 All right, last question. Here's the quote leading into 1571 01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,840 it. 2 possibilities exist. Either we are alone in the 1572 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,760 universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying. 1573 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,200 That is a quote by Arthur C Clarke, one of my favorite 1574 01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,720 quotes. Do you think there is life 1575 01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,680 elsewhere in the universe or do you think we are alone? 1576 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,160 I do, man. I believe that there is, but 1577 01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:34,360 it's hard for me to believe that they're little green guys shaped 1578 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,400 just like us flying in on flying saucers. 1579 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,360 You know what I mean? Like, I believe it could be so 1580 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:40,960 much deeper, you know what I mean? 1581 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,280 It could be multi dimensional. You know, it could be so far 1582 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,800 away that we could never ever be able to comprehend the distance. 1583 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,440 You know, I, I don't know how to quantify it, but I do believe 1584 01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:58,000 that there is intelligent life in some capacity outside of 1585 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,200 planet Earth. You know, again, whether it's 1586 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,920 another dimension or realm or, you know, but it's hard to 1587 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,840 believe in what we are told is an infinite universe, that 1588 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,880 nothing else exists. And we happen to be in this 1589 01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:15,480 Goldilocks zone, you know, of perfection for life, you know. 1590 01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:18,640 And what was the other part when there are second parts of the 1591 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,640 question? No, no, I was just saying 1592 01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,280 either, you know, the quote was either we are alone in the 1593 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,840 universe or not. Both are equally. 1594 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,920 Both are equally terrifying, meaning that, you know, if we're 1595 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,280 not alone, what else is out there? 1596 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,680 You know, like, what could it be? 1597 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,400 And if if we are alone, that's pretty fucking scary too, right? 1598 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,240 Because. Yeah. 1599 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,760 But yeah. Man, I mean, I appreciate you 1600 01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,880 answering all those. I know, you know, the, the goal 1601 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,280 of the questions is to get people to talk about and think 1602 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,760 about things that we kind of put on the back burner in our own 1603 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,840 minds, like death and cognitive biases and, you know, 1604 01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,160 existential questions and things like that. 1605 01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,360 So, you know, I just, I want to ask everybody, whether you're a 1606 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:10,240 scientist or a shaman or, you know, a hip hop manager that 1607 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,360 does ceremonial, you know, mushroom trips, whatever it is, 1608 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,360 I just want to like hear what people have to say, you know? 1609 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,640 Love that. Yeah, I think as far as the the 1610 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,680 life somewhere else, I mean, or it could be something as crazy 1611 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,680 as, you know, you walk by an anthill and never, you would 1612 01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:32,000 never think to pay attention or look down and and say hello to 1613 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,360 the ants, right. I mean, maybe it's something 1614 01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,560 like that, you know, maybe it's something so far past us that 1615 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,800 we're just an Ant hill. There's so many possibilities, 1616 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,200 but I don't think that being alone in the universe is one of 1617 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,760 them in my own mind. Yeah, I mean, the other mind 1618 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,720 melter, if you will, would be what if we were the first 1619 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,840 though, too? So we would be alone. 1620 01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,720 But we're just, we're the beginning of the story or the 1621 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,480 beginning of the journey or something along those lines. 1622 01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,240 And we're the ones about to seed, you know, the universe. 1623 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,080 Although I'm not even convinced that life started here. 1624 01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:13,600 I think that it's possible that, you know, we look at asteroids 1625 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,160 and comets and things and the idea of panspermia and even 1626 01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,600 mushrooms can survive the vacuum of space. 1627 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,440 So who's not to say that you know we're part mushroom? 1628 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,920 Well, I've heard that like I think you said it in the 1629 01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,520 beginning, right? Like we're closer to. 1630 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,560 Well, so like we have a common, yeah, we have a common ancestor 1631 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,520 with mushrooms that goes back 1.6 billion years, I think, you 1632 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,040 know. So we're closer with mushrooms 1633 01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,000 and we are with plants and trees and stuff like that. 1634 01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,400 That's incredible, man. That's really crazy. 1635 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,320 Hell yeah. Well, let's wrap it up, bro. 1636 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,560 I had a fantastic conversation with you and I'd love to have 1637 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,320 you back on sometime in the future. 1638 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,720 Absolutely. It's, it's been a great time 1639 01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,200 chopping it up with you and I, I appreciate you and I enjoyed our 1640 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,040 conversation as well. For sure bro. 1641 01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:07,440 And yeah, shout out again to Dennis, AKA Micropreneur for 1642 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,960 connecting us. And you also know PD Newman, 1643 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,960 which was kind of a, a crazy when you mentioned Danny. 1644 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,320 I'm like, oh shit. So yeah, man, small world. 1645 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:24,560 And you know, all, all the people that you know, are in 1646 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,800 this realm are actually really cool people. 1647 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:31,560 The podcasting author, psychedelics, psychedelia kind 1648 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,880 of stuff. I've, I've met very few turds. 1649 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,320 So yeah, you know. Same. 1650 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,160 Now I've had good experience so and the people that you name, I 1651 01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:41,640 mean Dennis has been instrumental. 1652 01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,280 Big help. Awesome dude. 1653 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,720 He's awesome. You want to talk about positive? 1654 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,840 I've never met somebody so positive in my life that lives 1655 01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,160 half his life in a Speedo. Speedo so. 1656 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,840 Well, no, no, that comedy tracks me up. 1657 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,480 This guy was showing me he's got like flat a bunch of flags on 1658 01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:04,080 different ones and stuff. So, but yeah, listen man, I 1659 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,680 really appreciate it. If anybody's interested, I will 1660 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,920 have Edward's link down below. Check out all of his stuff, his 1661 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,800 photography, Yelawolf murder, cigars, anything else you want 1662 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,480 to plug. Edwardcrow.com. 1663 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,400 Everything is there. 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