1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Hello and welcome to The Brentwood Buzz, a podcast 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,960 celebrating all that's good about the people and places of 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,640 Brentwood, Essex. I'm Kay Bellwood. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,000 This week we're in Pilgrim's Hatch where Doctor of 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Chiropractic Grayson Nolan has one of his two the chiropractic 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,560 centres. The other is in Billericay. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Grayson is a passionate advocate of chiropractic. 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,120 If you're aching and wincing, he and his team can adjust you so 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,600 everything is aligned properly and then give you advice on how 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,320 to keep it. So the Brentwood bus has been to 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,600 meet Grayson at the chiropractic centre to find out what he's 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,600 doing in Brentwood. So originally I started my 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,160 journey in New Zealand. People might pick up from my 14 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,720 accent. I came from a whole family of 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,200 chiropractors. I think at the moment we've got 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,840 10 in my family. Many of them graduated. 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,840 In fact, all of them, I think at the time I graduated from the 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,520 United States, from a place called Palmer College of 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,160 Chiropractic. And some of them actually 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,640 actually not thinking about it, graduated from the New Zealand 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,040 school, which is actually where I went originally. 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,880 I think it was in the third year of that class. 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,400 It's been five years and I had a few. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,360 Well, I had a degree in pharmacology, Physiology, a 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,040 double major that I'd done at the university and we were 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,840 studying chiropractic simultaneously. 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,960 But I wanted the best school in the world. 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,600 So I applied to a number of schools and I proceeded to spend 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,960 4 years of my life travelling the world, living in America, 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,880 going through colleges, going through schools. 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,280 And of all those schools in the world, I ended up in England. 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,880 The funny thing was when I was 16 years old, I applied to all 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,120 these schools in the world and I thought that's the last place 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,600 I'm going to go. And it was actually the place I 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,600 ended up. So I went to Bournemouth, I 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,440 completed my degree there. I ended up spending four years 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,760 in university studying a Doctor of Chiropractic degree and then 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,720 I graduated in 2007. So having done all that in life, 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,840 I ended up coming through a friend into Brentwood and 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Brentwood I went to a clinic and I was just really impressed on 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,160 how many people they were helping. 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,840 It was just as phenomenal. It just stood out like I saw 43 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,440 some how amazing it was and it was and it started to grow in 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,120 time to be one of the busiest clinics in Essex, in fact 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,640 probably one of the busiest in the country. 46 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,400 And then we ended up with 28 people in time. 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,840 We had ships going from 7:00 in the morning to 8:00 at night 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 split three ways with half hour gaps. 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,840 But one of the things that I came away from, it was for me, I 50 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,560 wanted to have that connection with the patients, a deeper 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,200 connection. I, I'm not a person who's an 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,520 ivory tower Dr. As we say, I want to connect with people and 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,080 it's taking care of patients to me is more than, you know, 54 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,480 pushing on someone's back, so to speak. 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,640 It does sound like although you come from a family of 56 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,560 chiropractors, it does sound like it's a real calling. 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,720 It's not like you've gone, Oh yeah, my dad did it, my mum did 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,080 it, my aunts and uncles and whatever did it, so I might as 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,720 well. It's it sounds like you have a 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,240 passion there that you just want to be the best. 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,720 Yeah, that's what a lot of my patients say too. 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,600 And they and my friends actually with chiropractors, they get a 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,480 little bit annoyed because all I've ever talked about is 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,000 chiropractic on my holidays. I talk about chiropractic when I 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,600 go on a holiday. I actually go and visit 66 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:25,160 chiropractic clinics. But but what I like to do is I 67 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,240 like to take the good and the bad and I like to see how people 68 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,440 can improve. And one of the things that I've 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,400 learned, my father did a little bit of it, but I learned 70 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,760 probably through my predecessors and my peers, was making 71 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,080 people's lives better. It's not just chiropractic, it's 72 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,160 digging deeper. You know, what can you do to 73 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,840 improve someone's life and be a better person in the process? 74 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,560 Yeah, so. So when do people come to you? 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,600 Is it, is it that, oh, I've got a bit of an ache, I'll go and 76 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,880 see a chiropractor or would they see an osteopath? 77 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Would they see a physiotherapist? 78 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,720 How do you know when we need you? 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Yeah, I'd say chiropractors, physios, osteopaths. 80 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,560 They're in the same frame of health, they work very similar 81 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,800 but through different processes. You know, I wouldn't want to 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,320 give an opinion on an osteopath, would be best to ask them the 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,360 same with the physio. But from a training perspective, 84 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,360 chiropractors and osteopaths probably most similar. 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,120 The thing that chiropractors can do is we can take X-rays. 86 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,920 We can actually write those X-rays up and some chiropractors 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,480 have X-ray machines and are registered to take X-rays. 88 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,760 In addition to that, we can refer out for MRI's. 89 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,000 Interesting enough, I like to educate my patients as well. 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,160 So they, they're really informed. 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,760 So they go back to the doctor and they say, well, I understand 92 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,360 this and people say, how do you know that? 93 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Are you in a medical field? Said no, I'm a chiropractor, 94 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,040 told me from their rights, legal rights, medico legal notes. 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,520 I inform them about those kind of things. 96 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,720 But for example, the thing I love is that we have connections 97 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,720 with a local chiropractor. We used to have an X-ray. 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,880 We don't at the moment, I can refer somebody literally within 99 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,440 a day or two straight in for an X-ray, sometimes the same day 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,080 and they've got an X-ray and it's under £100 if they need 101 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,960 that and and that's it. Yeah, we have the option of NHS 102 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,360 which is fantastic. We find, like I said, NHS is 103 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,680 brilliant when it comes to emergency care. 104 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 But the challenge that we are seeing now with systems all 105 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,000 being strapped to capacity is times, time frames expanding. 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,920 And the thing I always say to people or your chiropractor, and 107 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,040 it doesn't have to be us, you know, this is the thing, you 108 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,440 know, or an osteopath or a physio, we call these people up 109 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,200 and ask them, you know, what's my options? 110 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,960 One of the things that I think is really important in a 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,160 practice is giving people the opportunity to talk with you and 112 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,360 without the burden of financial concern. 113 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,880 So one of the things that we introduced years ago was we do a 114 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,640 free 10 minute complimentary check. 115 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Sometimes we can speak to people on the phone and to be honest, I 116 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,360 normally spend more than 10 minutes talking on the phone to 117 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,480 just get their side of things and to give them some general 118 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,920 advice on what can be done. And we don't charge for that. 119 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,000 And then we extrapolate that used to be under sixteens, it's 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,120 now extrapolated to everybody. So anybody can give us a call, 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,640 we can book them in, we can give them some good general advice, 122 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,040 which, you know, for a person who's, I mean, I've had the 123 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,280 pleasure of doing nine years in university, that's pretty cool. 124 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,480 And people may say, well, you know, why would you do that? 125 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Why not? It's 10 minutes. 126 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 It doesn't take long and it empowers people. 127 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,040 I've had some amazing cases over the years. 128 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,040 Amazing. And not people that needed 129 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,760 chiropractor right then. And then I had one particular 130 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,120 chap and he'd come in and he had the experience he had. 131 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,120 He'd come in and he'd attempted to overdose and he'd take in a 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,200 lot of medication and he hadn't told anyone, his family. 133 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,880 And I realized that the most important thing this person 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,360 needed right then was not me adjusting his pack for a little 135 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 bit back pain he may have had. It was him getting the right 136 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,360 care, the right advice. And so we talked to him and, you 137 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,440 know, a few days later, both his sister and his mum came and gave 138 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,640 me a big hug and they were just really appreciative. 139 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,520 And that made my day. And it's one of those things 140 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,880 that are always stay with me. So that's why we do the free 141 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,480 check. So what do people come to you 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,360 with most? Is it backs? 143 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,480 Is it knees? Is it? 144 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,880 What is it? It's a lot of that. 145 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,920 The reality is a chiropractor is defined by the World Health 146 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,040 Organization as a neuromusculoskeletal specialist, 147 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,560 I think was the words of that health association. 148 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,960 I prefer not to use the word specialist because under GCC 149 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,800 there's certain regulations, but I do have a special interest in 150 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,120 fields. My personal one is pediatric 151 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,320 chiropractic. So I have some amazing stories 152 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,160 with that. And we put this on our YouTube, 153 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,240 by the way, at the Cairo. I'm putting that plug in at that 154 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Cairo centre. But the most common one people 155 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,800 go to a chiropractor for would be low back pain. 156 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Others there was a called the Bromford report was published a 157 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,880 number of years ago because there was a lot of misleading 158 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 information of actually what was happening and what could 159 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,840 chiropractors say. And it's also under the ASA 160 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,560 standards I believe as well on what can be said. 161 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,560 But the Bromford report came out and it created a lot of interest 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,560 around things such as cervicogenic headaches. 163 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,840 So headaches can be caused by a number of things. 164 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,120 And one of the other things carburets do is to identify is 165 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,880 it in their realm, can they help? 166 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,000 So is it caused by joints in the neck that are pinching on nerves 167 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,720 that are giving the headache, or is it something maybe more 168 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 concerning? And so we identify that and if 169 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,000 we don't think we can help, we also refer out to the 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,320 appropriate person. And so you're not waiting 171 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,000 around. So I like to refer people where 172 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,559 possible directly to consultants. 173 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,159 It saves time. If necessary, they go back to 174 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,039 the GP. That is an option, you know. 175 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,720 So, but yeah, we could say Bax is the most common one. 176 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,800 I like to get away from the element there and say 177 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,960 chiropractor really is about making your body function 178 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,880 better. When you take pressure off 179 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,840 nerves, nerves go everywhere throughout your body and it 180 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,000 changes the function of what those nerves do. 181 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,000 And so we have some amazing results, but the most common 182 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,400 research back to what we call evidence based medicine comes 183 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,160 from mechanical low back pain. That is the reality. 184 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,680 What are we doing wrong then, as people that all of them were not 185 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,280 many of us are popping along to you going I've got low back 186 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,960 pain. Are we not walking enough? 187 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,600 Are we sitting too much? Are we not exercising in the 188 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:23,960 right? What? 189 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,440 What can we? What are we doing so wrong that 190 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,040 we need you? So this is an interesting thing 191 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,160 when you, I like to say this is really important because you 192 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,240 know, if people listen to everything I said, I probably 193 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,280 would not be in practice because a lot of this is it's 194 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,440 self-directed by the, the person. 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,800 In fact, the, the general chiropractic counsel says this 196 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,360 and I fully agree 100%. So important is it's patient 197 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,720 centered care, right? So it's down to the patient to 198 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,520 actually take charge. So we can get joints moving, but 199 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,520 we're advising stretchers and exercises. 200 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,280 So it's a two way kind of street. 201 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,360 So you're not doing that. That's not really going to help 202 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,280 you get to where you want, right? 203 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,360 So it's about meeting patient expectations. 204 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,440 And in fact, before I take anybody on board, we have the 205 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,160 right not to take people on board because we have a duty of 206 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,400 care, just like the hospital. So I take on board people I know 207 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,280 I can help. And if I don't believe I can 208 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,280 help meet their expectations, we won't take them on board because 209 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,680 we can't, right? What can we do? 210 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,120 Well, the reality of back pain, it's endemic. 211 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,520 It's been there since time began. 212 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,640 In fact, there was some, I remember years ago watching them 213 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,840 on TV, they showed a Homo erectus person who just, you 214 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,560 know, starting to stand up a million years ago and they had 215 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:44,440 degenerative joint disease and L5 in the lumbar spine. 216 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,040 And then it's the most common thing we see as people go 217 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,560 through life. They're getting in that low 218 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:50,840 back. So it's always been there. 219 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,640 What's made worse is in this day and age out, what are we doing? 220 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 We're sedentary. You know, you go back 100,000 221 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,720 years, we're working the fields, we're moving our bodies and 222 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,720 there's a thing called Wolf's Law and it's basically if you 223 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,280 don't use it, you lose it. So if you don't move correctly, 224 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,680 movement is really important and it's also good for emotions. 225 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,360 So I say this to people, think of this, if you've got a day 226 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,440 when you're a bit down, you know, the weather's a bit DRAM, 227 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,800 put on some music, dance around the room and you will find you 228 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,920 can't help but smile and feel better. 229 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,760 You know, there's endorphins, there's things being released in 230 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,480 your bloodstream. So movement is really important 231 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,440 to our emotions and how we feel. And with chiropractic, when we 232 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 get joints moving, if you think about the person can function 233 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,080 and move better. A lot of people find in my 234 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,960 experience, this is in not evidence based, but well, 235 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,720 evidence from what I've experienced, people feel better 236 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,640 in themselves, they have better relationships in general. 237 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,280 They just feel better, you know, because they can move better. 238 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Do you deal with women who are going through or have gone 239 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,880 through the menopause? Because that seems to be a point 240 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,080 where suddenly things that used to work stop working. 241 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Things that didn't used to ache start aching. 242 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,320 Yes. So there's elements of things 243 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,320 that change as we get older. These are natural progressions. 244 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,400 So for example, it's more common as somebody gets older to have 245 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,560 wear and tear than they did when they're younger. 246 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,920 It's like a car wears out. Hormones change as we get older, 247 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,480 bone density changes as we get older. 248 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,240 So a lot of these things that are natural, you know, they're 249 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,160 not unnatural for them to occur. And also there's a genetic 250 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,680 element. Some people are more prone than 251 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,640 others, right? But coming back to a 252 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,200 chiropractic is not about its origins, are not about treating 253 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,840 a single condition such as back pain. 254 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,080 It is about making your body function better. 255 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,400 If a joint is restricted and you get that moving and you're 256 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,120 taking pressure out of that area and your body is functioning 257 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,280 better, a lot of these kind of subtle conditions that we see, 258 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,240 in addition to the chemical pain can improve. 259 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,240 People find changes with regards to menopause. 260 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,240 I would not say chiropractic is going to change menopause. 261 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,520 You know, that is an element that there's, as far as I've 262 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,840 seen, I've not seen evidence for that. 263 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,960 I wouldn't make that call. But from a musculoskeletal and 264 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 how you move, it's really important. 265 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 So for example, I have people with rheumatoid arthritis, I 266 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,880 have people with osteoarthritis. I'm not treating those 267 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,080 conditions, but people that have those conditions also have 268 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,880 mechanical pain from the lack of movement that's associated with 269 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,000 those conditions. And when you address that 270 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,840 component, they can feel a little bit better in themselves 271 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,760 that they can move better from the musculoskeletal component. 272 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,080 So what do you do to people because some people say, right, 273 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,320 I'm I'm going to get my vaccine, so I'm going to have my back 274 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,560 cracked or I'm going to, you know, are you a back cracker or 275 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,200 is there something, is that the osteopaths that we're not going 276 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,160 to talk about today? No. 277 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,880 Well, most people will. And unfortunately they'll go on 278 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,320 a YouTube video or go on a TikTok and they'll see it. 279 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,600 And let's say I know there's people out there, there's people 280 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,600 in all different professions that will push that and certain 281 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,720 countries in the world will be more OK with it than others. 282 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,600 I don't go down that Ave. and I haven't purely because I think 283 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,040 there's a lot of people that don't like that. 284 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,000 There's some people that love it, but it draws away from the 285 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,600 focus of what chiropractic's about. 286 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,640 It's about improving your function. 287 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,520 It's not sensationalism. I want to get a pop click. 288 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,560 And you'll find a lot of them when you look closely, they'll 289 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,560 put a microphone up really close. 290 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,040 It doesn't sound that loud. They're they're amping up and 291 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,720 then they'll amp the mic up to make it sound. 292 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,800 Oh, and then they'll, you know, it's very sensationalism. 293 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,280 It's like in the news, and possibly one of the reasons I 294 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,560 don't listen to the news that much these days, because you 295 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 don't see many happy things coming out of the news. 296 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,440 And we know that fear and frustration is far more powerful 297 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,000 emotion than love. And so it's utilized in the 298 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,360 media all the time. And I think this is true of 299 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,320 anything that when people don't check in and check the biases 300 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,440 that are associated with anything's coming out, be it 301 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,240 media, be it we won't go into detailed politics or anything 302 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,160 like that. But, but if you don't check it, 303 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,840 and it's including research on chiropractic, if you don't check 304 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,040 where does those papers come from, then you're slipping down 305 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,320 a slope, which is not a good slope. 306 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,400 So always check the biases. You know, same for same for 307 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,400 chiropractors that do research and say this is amazing. 308 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,800 I check the biases. So for for what you do here, you 309 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,160 don't specialize because that's not a word we're allowed to use. 310 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,520 But if a person with a baby comes in here and says the 311 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,160 baby's doing something, what can you do to help a baby? 312 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Because surely they're lovely and bendy and stretching, 313 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,560 There's nothing wrong with them at that stage. 314 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,600 They they haven't degenerated at all, surely? 315 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,760 Sure. So this goes back again to that 316 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,560 simple principle of chiropractic, which is checking 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,240 the spine and make sure it's working well. 318 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,000 So we're all automatically going down this this pathway possibly 319 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,360 that there's something wrong with the baby and that's why 320 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 they're coming in. The reality is I have patients 321 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,880 have been with me a long time. They bring their babies in just 322 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,880 because they want to check the nerve system of their baby and 323 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,000 make sure it's operational maximum capacity. 324 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,280 They have no obvious signs or symptoms or any concerns. 325 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,160 It is about optimizing and checking the nerve system and 326 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,440 making sure it's functioning the best. 327 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,680 And that's the origins of chiropractor and that's where it 328 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,640 always will be with all the technologies and things that 329 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,640 come in that are new, they're great. 330 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,480 But what's worked for now over 120 years still works. 331 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,680 The classic example that I'd say with the babies though, a lot of 332 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,000 mums will typically bring babies to me that are maybe presenting 333 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,040 with signs of colicky kind of symptoms, high pitched 334 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,640 screaming, bringing knees to the chest. 335 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Now, as a chiropractor, I'm not treating the collar. 336 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,840 That's very important. That sounds a bit odd, but hold 337 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,560 on. They're coming with those 338 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 symptoms. They may be, but I'm checking 339 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,960 their spine to see if there's any joints that are maligned and 340 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,240 not moving as they should. And when I moved those joints, 341 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,080 in my clinical experience, I found a lot of improvement mums 342 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,120 have had. There's studies that show mums 343 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,720 and parents, actually this was years ago, about 15 years ago, 344 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,839 slept better when their child went to a chiropractor, you 345 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,800 know, but it didn't help the child. 346 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,720 I mean, the question is, how is it possible that a parent, I 347 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,160 always questioned that one. But in my clinical experience 348 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 with people coming in with babies and, and you can just see 349 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,480 from our YouTube videos with the, which we're actually doing 350 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,480 more on now what mums say and the results are phenomenal 351 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,319 because they're quicker than with an adult. 352 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,280 As to why, my theory is they don't have the stress of having 353 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,280 to pay for a mortgage. I mean, that's one of the 354 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,000 theories, but they just, they bounce back phenomenally fast. 355 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,800 And it is amazing when you, you, you see the change. 356 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,400 You know, the other day I had a baby, wasn't connecting with mom 357 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,680 at all. This is mom's first born coming 358 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,240 out screaming she's concerned. Then there's come seen ourselves 359 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,120 within one session, 8085% improvement. 360 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,160 I think 5-10 minutes. I worked on this baby. 361 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,720 Three days later, eyes connected to mom, Mom's looking directly 362 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,520 into the eyes of a baby. The baby is smiling at mom and 363 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,040 that's just phenomenal. To see how many people even know 364 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,840 that we do this, it's just phenomenal. 365 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,560 I I watch too many reels on Facebook. 366 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,600 I know a lot of what you do, but I'm very not biased. 367 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,640 I'm I'm aware it. I didn't not seeing everything 368 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,840 just. Watch out for the the extreme 369 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,440 kind of extremism that occurs. Because the reality is, I mean, 370 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,400 we've got a technique called. I wonder if I've got it on me 371 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,840 now. Your listeners can't see it. 372 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,760 It's called an activator that. Looks terrifying. 373 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,160 It does to an. Object of torture it. 374 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Does it does? You're right to an adult. 375 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,920 But children love this because when we're young, we're not 376 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,920 covered with all thoughts and what we've learnt. 377 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Right. And if I press on this, so I'm 378 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,800 doing it on myself, You mind if I do it on your knee or your 379 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,160 hand? Nothing so gentle, isn't it? 380 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,480 Yeah. Yeah. 381 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,800 And yet when you see the force that's transmitted, wow. 382 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,640 So that that's. Two pens moving together and 383 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,680 it's like a it's pushed an inch out the way. 384 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,080 Yeah, just by touching one and you'll see, keep the first pen 385 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,720 stationary, hit it, the next pen moves. 386 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,520 But this device and again you can control it with that we may 387 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,320 use on babies. Most of the time we don't. 388 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,920 We just use the weights of the baby itself. 389 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,880 So we just go with the movement of the baby. 390 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,520 It's completely different than an adult. 391 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,240 There's a technique called touch and hold. 392 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,680 It's very gentle technique and some people say, did you do 393 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,840 anything? And yet the interesting thing 394 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,360 is, but the results come, yeah, you know, and like I said, see 395 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,560 the YouTube channel. Would you see what? 396 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,080 Now, I've had a look at your board outside with all the 397 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,960 people that you have working here and there's a lot. 398 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,520 And then, yeah, I won't exactly. You'll be up to 28 before you 399 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,160 even know it. So there seem to be sort of 400 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,920 there's there's people who will deal with dancers, jujitsu, 401 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,960 sports, pregnant women, you know. 402 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,160 So there's a there's a lot of people, people you think, all 403 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,240 right, of course they come in. So do you see many sporty people 404 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,240 kind of limping back after the rugby field? 405 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,960 We see a few. I think for me, my focus is not 406 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,920 just on sports. There are chiropractors that 407 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,080 focus on sports. So if somebody wants to go to a 408 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,440 chiropractor that purely does sports, you will find them out 409 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,760 there. I deem myself as a more all 410 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,240 round family based chiropractor. Once Upon a time, a long, long 411 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,480 time ago, I started out working in the City in Canary Wharf. 412 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,160 And what I found was probably not what I expected. 413 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,320 I thought, oh, glimmering lights, this is where it's at. 414 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,120 London is cracking. And I found people would just 415 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,880 leave their family at home and they'd get adjusted at all. 416 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,200 And then adjustment, by the way, just for the listeners is when 417 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,360 we gently move these joints, take the pressure out of the 418 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:38,480 area, decompress the area and the person feels better, usually 419 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,400 feels better, functions better, moves better. 420 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,640 And they just won't bring the family in. 421 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 So they leave their children at home or the, the, the, the wife 422 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,520 or the husband would be at home. And you're thinking, but if you 423 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,160 feel these benefits, if you know the true benefit of chiropractic 424 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,480 and maintaining your health and you leave your family at home, 425 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,120 it just wasn't right for me and I wanted to be family based 426 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,960 chiropractor. You know, original people. 427 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Yeah. So here you are in Brentwood. 428 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,880 Do you? You must get families coming in. 429 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,320 Are most of your, are most of your clients Brentwood based or 430 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,840 are they coming in from elsewhere because you've got a 431 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,360 clinic in Billericay as well? Yeah. 432 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,360 So we're developing Brentwood all the time, expanding it. 433 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,920 Billericay, we've been established a couple of years 434 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,840 longer. We've probably got a more solid 435 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,560 base there. But you know, Brentwood is 436 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,720 growing. I've originated from Brentwood. 437 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,000 We've moved over to Billericay, but we've moved back and forth 438 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,440 between, between the two. I have, and this is interesting. 439 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,400 People say, well, it might be too far for me to travel. 440 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,400 So I have, I've had people come in and they find that 5 minutes 441 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,120 is too far to travel. And I said, well, I don't have 442 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,480 any chiropractor closer than me. I've got 100 yards from your 443 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,800 house, but they're too busy. And then I have a particular 444 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,240 gentleman, John. He travels over an hour and a 445 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,680 half once a month to see me and then he drives an hour and a 446 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,120 half back. He, I said, well, you must see 447 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,760 family. He said no, I just come to see 448 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,080 you for 10 minutes. But he doesn't. 449 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,960 For him, he doesn't trust anybody else. 450 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,560 And that's fair. There's a famous chiropractor, 451 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Gonstead, and I like to always have like a flag in the rock. 452 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,000 So you've got your own value system, right? 453 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,040 And you know where you stand. This guy, Clarence Gonstead, 454 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280 originated in the United States. He had people fly from all over 455 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,840 the world to see him. He built a hotel with 200 rooms. 456 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,320 He had a an airport landing. He had to build the hotel for 457 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,600 people to stay there because they flew from New Zealand, 458 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:33,880 Australia, the UK to America to a tiny little town, Wisconsin, 459 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280 just outside of Wisconsin. And that would stay for two 460 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,880 weeks, get adjusted 2, three times a day. 461 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Sometimes, you know, they've got regularly adjusted. 462 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,360 And so this miscenomer that, oh, I can't see the carpet more for 463 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,280 that. It depends on what you're doing. 464 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,360 So if you're going in with a, you know that more that they're 465 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,200 kind of clicking that we there's probably the higher level of 466 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,280 adjusting to an activator, which is very gentle. 467 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,800 You could obviously be adjusted with an activator probably a bit 468 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,360 more frequently because it's not as much force. 469 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,880 So it's almost like fine tuning an engine. 470 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,120 How often should you get a tune up on your car is the question. 471 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,720 And it's a balance between the time, the cost and also the the 472 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,720 benefit ratio. Somebody who's very sporty and 473 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,440 into athletics, we're maybe getting checked more regularly 474 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,320 because they've got falls. A great example of the benefits 475 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,800 of chiropractic on form and function, not pain, especially 476 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,800 in high level athletes. Usain Bolt and the runner, and 477 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,440 he got the 100 and 200 when he was in the Olympics. 478 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,280 There's a picture 10 minutes before he won those events. 479 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,440 He was getting adjusted with this device by a chiropractor 480 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,160 and not many people have seen that picture. 481 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,960 Now, if you're going to win a gold medal and somebody does 482 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,000 that and they can make you win the gold medal, going to do it. 483 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,200 Great picture. I've got to get it put up in the 484 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,480 wall somewhere. So what's going to keep you in 485 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Brentwood? You know, is it going to be, 486 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,640 you'll get to 28 people in the clinic and you'll go, right, 487 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,360 that's it. I can move on to a hotel 488 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,480 somewhere now. You know what, What do you want 489 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,600 to do when you stay here? Will you move on to somewhere 490 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,120 where there's my space? I would, I would love to stay. 491 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,360 I think the thing that's going to define me staying in 492 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:09,080 Brentwood per SE, is going to be a combination of things. 493 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,040 The existing support of my patients here, which I love, and 494 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,880 the people that come to us and that they want what we're 495 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,320 offering, the level of care that we're offering, and also the 496 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,800 support from the council, the Brentwood Council. 497 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,920 So I will leave it at that, but just, you know, just support, 498 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,560 support from the community as a whole. 499 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Thanks to Grayson for taking part in the Brentwood Buzz and 500 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,720 he can be found at the chiropractic centres in Pilgrims 501 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,440 Hatch and in Billericay. 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