Welcome to a special edition of The News Navigators with me,
Jeremy Deacon. And me, Jonathan Sterling, I'm.
Going to introduce our guests in a minute, but this is the second
podcast we've done on social media and screen time.
We did one a few weeks ago where we had four people on board
giving their opinions and then subsequently came across Una
Walsh Taylor and Mike Walsh, who have had a bit of publicity for
their group that they founded, Smartphone Free Childhood
Bermuda. Thank you very much, both of you
for joining us today. Hopefully it'll be an
enlightening conversation. Thank you so much for having us.
Yeah. Glad to be here.
Thanks very much. I mean, it's a fascinating
conversation. I, I was in the UK for three
months recently and this was top of the agenda on the news or
the, or the talk shows almost every day.
I mean. So why did you found Smartphone
Free Childhood Bermudrin and what do you hope to get from it?
What's your aim? So I basically saw the UK
movement, I think it started almost two years ago at this
point. And around the same time as a
book came out called The Anxious Generation.
And I saw that it went from a WhatsApp group between two mums
and over a weekend became almost a viral sensation and insane.
Yeah, like it's a full global movement.
And, and so I kind of put feelers out within my daughter's
class. So I just have one daughter and
she's 7 going on 8. And at that time they were 5
going on 6. So a lot of the parents were
like, this is not something we need to think about right now.
That I was coming from a viewpoint of this is something
we need to think about for the future rather than sleepwalking
into getting our kids phones at some point.
So this year, really, we got off the ground because I set up the
website, we had a few meetings with other interested parents,
Mike came on board and yeah, then we got some, I guess
traction and we're in the media and stuff.
And I have to say, selfishly, I set it up for my daughter,
right? But I would hope this will be an
island wide community where people help each other out and
see that they're not alone in wanting to keep phones away from
their kids for a little bit longer than kind of has become
the norm. Is that, is that the aim of your
group then just to try and delay?
People call it a ban? It's not a ban, it's.
A It's not absolutely not a ban. We're not anti tech.
It's not a ban. It's the mission basically is to
delay smartphones until at least age 14 and social media until
16. And it's a shared symbolic
parent pact. So parents go on our website,
they sign a pact, It's not legally binding.
They can pull out at any point. They can change their mind.
So it's more of a community kind of grassroots type thing among
parents. And I think just to just to add
to that then, so like, you know, I'm a I'm a father, I'm a
parent. We're not related by the way,
our surnames are similar, but that's just coincidence.
So I'm the father of a 10 year old son and a eight-year old
daughter. And I became interested in this
after reading that book that Una Una mentioned by Jonathan Haidt,
who's an American social psychologist.
And the book goes into a lot of data in terms of the impact that
smartphones and social media have on children in a number of
ways, which I think we'll touch upon in a moment.
And, and it really opened my mind in terms of, you know, what
I need to be thinking about as a parent.
And so when I heard what Una was doing with this group, I, I, I
wanted to get involved. And I think really just to add
to what Una said, you know, the group's been established to
address a real concern that many parents have and which is
supported by data and that's that smartphones and social
media are having negative impacts on children.
And the three things I've just called out right off the bat,
and then we can go into more detail later, is firstly,
academic performance. So studies have shown that
concentration, memory and various other things, sleep as
well, which is important for academic performance, are all
being impacted by smartphones and social media.
The second one is mental health. You know, rates of anxiety,
depression, self harm and suicide have all gone up
significantly since 2010. And I know that's been covered
in some of your other podcasts with the likes of Dan Kavanagh
and and Sandy De Silva. And then and the third one then
is exposure to harmful content. There's some pretty shocking
data out there in terms of what children, teenagers in
particular, have been exposed to through their smartphones and
social media. And it's not the sort of thing
that I think any parent would want their want their children
seeing. So when you, when you think
about all of these things and then the opportunity cost as
well, which is that the time that children are spending on
smartphones and social media is time that they're not spending
with their friends playing outdoors, reading, you know,
that opportunity cost is real as well.
So we add that all together. There's there's quite a
significant impact on children. My, my children are grown up
there, 23 and 20. And, and I'm very glad that they
missed, I pretty much missed the, the smartphone social media
sort of thing. But what we found was
smartphones in particular was almost the children's currency.
You know, that's what they value.
That's how they communicated with each other.
And we caved because of that reason more than anything else.
And just to play devil's advocate, there's part of me
that thinks that denying children's smartphones and
social media, or at least limiting screen time, actually
takes them away from their friends.
And it has. It has a significant impact that
way as well. Yeah.
So I think that's that's definitely been the case in the
past. And I think what we, what we
know now wasn't known sort of 15 years ago when smartphones were
first introduced. And it's taken some time for the
data to come through. But I think if, if what Una and
the group are trying to achieve is successful, then that
currency piece will start to fall away for younger children
at least, because social pressure won't be there.
Because if enough families have signed up to the pledge and
agreed to delay, not not completely banned, but delay
giving their children smartphones and they won't have
their friends saying to them, well, why?
Why you yield one out not having one here.
And actually, whilst it might seem on the face of it that by
not giving them a smartphone, we're depriving them or
something, actually what we would say is we're actually
giving them something. We're giving them that time and
space to to learn and grow free from the algorithmic content,
the addictive content that's out there, the chance to spend more
time with their friends in person and develop real world
relationships and real world skills that help them transition
into adulthood. Yeah, yeah.
So it's interesting. I remember like probably just 10
years ago when smartphones are really, I mean, I first got my
first smartphone in 2008, but they really kind of took off
about 10 years ago. And like for kids.
And I remember at the time, some of the teachers and education
proponents were saying we need to embrace the cell phones,
smartphones in our education system.
And now we've kind of come full circle.
I mean, obviously we didn't have the full data at the time.
But yeah, I just, I just thought that was interesting.
They, I think they, I think all technology is neutral in a
sense. It's how it's used.
And I definitely think that a lot of the smartphones and Mike,
you mentioned it, the algorithms, they're, they're
designed to be addictive. And I see when when I kind of
took my phone away from like my 3 year old niece who
automatically knows how to operate a phone, blows my mind.
She's like downloading games. I'm like, what?
And I take it away and she's it's like an addict with
withdrawal having a full tantrum.
Well, we had a court case, didn't we, in America where it
was the jury found that the the Facebook algorithm, the
notification, everything were addictive and it cost them a lot
of money. There was another case in, was
it in Mexico? I can't remember now, or
southern US as well, where I think they were fine, something
like 300 million. I mean, it is, I think it is a
statement of fact now that they're addictive, Yeah.
Yeah, our kids are sorry. Come on, how are you now?
Sorry, no. Our kids are up against teams of
engineers and psychologists in Silicon Valley who are making
these things as addictive as possible for adults.
But now the kids are getting phones, so for kids as well,
right? It's a tricky 1, isn't it?
I mean, part of me. I mean, my wife used to go away
on business and I'll, I'll be quite honest, when I was a
single, single dad with two young kids, I was pretty
grateful for a bit of screen time.
I'm not going to lie. You'll help you do the cooking
and the washing and getting them to bed.
You can't really blame parents if they do that, can you?
A. 100%, we're not judging anyone.
We're not, you know, here to sow division amongst people and we
understand everyone has their own like, you know, their own
balance that they're trying to create.
You know, some people have two households, one child moving
between them. Maybe they have a court ordered
device. Some people are working shift
work, couple of jobs. The kids are going home, letting
themselves in and they're going on their devices.
There's absolutely no judgement. And our our kind of thing is the
more of us who sign the pledge, the less it becomes the norm
that all the kids have the smartphone or the social media.
And so it's just, it's kind of bringing down the peer pressure
amongst the kids themselves. And those of us that are signing
up are LED, are kind of communicating with our kids
about why we're doing this. No, it's not just no, you're not
allowed this full stop. It's my rule.
We're kind of letting them know this is knock of your brain,
your brain's still developing. He's got the, you know, the tech
pros have their engineers out to get you.
I mean, I don't make it that, you know, baddie against goodies
or whatever with my child, but I do try and let her know, despite
her just being seven, that this is not good for her.
And I think, sorry, go ahead, you know.
She's 7. She's 7.
How does she? React.
Oh, sorry. You know, she has seen me do a
lot of work on this. She's seen me set up the
website. And so for now, she's fully on
board and she, we have Jonathan Hyde, who wrote The Anxious
Generation, actually brought out another book with Catherine
Price and it's for kids called The Amazing Generation.
And it's, there's, you know, some graphic novel parts to it.
And it's why you don't need a phone and what you're missing
out on when you don't have a phone.
And so she reads that now and again, she'll pick it up and
look at it. And so for now she's on board.
But like I say, she's going on 8 when she's 12/13/14.
It's going to be a very different conversation.
I think as well, it's worth keeping in mind that Steve Jobs
famously said that he wouldn't allow an iPad in his home, let
alone his kids to have one. So, you know, he clearly
understood the negative impact these devices that he had helped
create could have on children. I mean, it's, it's, it's
interesting. I mean, I'm, I'm aging myself
here. We're all probably roughly the
same age. I think I'm a little bit older
than everybody here, frankly. I was being diplomatic.
Thank you very much. But I mean, I, I didn't grow up
with cell phones. I mean, to me, my free time was
reading books or going outside, running around the neighborhood
and fishing. But you know, the current
generation is a whole different lifestyle now and I think.
I think it affects them socially, doesn't it?
As well. These things are very one way,
so there's very little interaction.
So you know, it must affect your vocabulary skills, your speaking
skills, your social skills. It must do.
There there's an American and former teacher who's now a, a
psychologist who I, I saw talk very recently on, on YouTube,
ironically. But I saw him talk very recently
and he was presenting to a government committee in the US.
And he was saying that the data that they gather in the US that
have been gathering since 1962 on academic performance is
showing that on many measures, whether it's literacy, numeracy,
abstract thinking, the current generation that's coming through
is the first generation in modern times that is scoring
lower than the previous generation.
And you know, he goes on to say that the use of technology in
schools extensively is being shown to have a negative impact.
Social media is being shown to have a negative impact.
And apparently, according to what he was saying, you can look
at data by States and you can see at what point did they
increase a lot more use of technology in their schools.
It's at that point that the data starts to deteriorate.
So, so to your point, Jeremy, absolutely it's, it's, it is
having an impact on their capabilities.
I think where I always start thinking is, you know, there's
always a moral panic when there's a new technology.
I mean, back in the 80s and 90s, I know the concern was video
games and television and that was rotting the brains of youth.
And I, I think there's good evidence that it does do that.
I, I certainly grew up on a lot of TV and video games and look
at me now. But, but I, I just kind of,
there's a skit, a comedy skit set in the medieval era when
books come out and people like, oh, these young kids reading
books, they're not living life and working in the field.
And I, I just sometimes wonder too much degree.
Is it a moral panic? And how much of it is a real
concern? I mean, the technology is useful
especially for people of different needs, you know,
physically disabled people in particular who cannot otherwise
socially connect. But yeah, it is also this other
issue. There's a class issue.
It used to be, well, only the rich could afford video games
and TV. But now it's only the rich can
afford to go out to do extracurricular activities and
have a, I don't know, a cycle or something.
Yeah. And it's also a case of now the
rich or, you know, have the privilege of saying, no, you
can't have a phone because I have time to bring you places or
to watch you. You know, I'm not offered
another job. So it is.
It's a very nuanced subject. Yeah.
What kind of level of support has your group got so far?
How many how many parents have signed up to the pledge so far?
So far 326 families have signed the pledge and then support
wise, we've got support within the mental health community.
Sandy de Silva, who I know you're familiar with, is very
much on board. And then we've met with Minister
Robin and we've met with Minister Ferbert.
So I think because, particularly because excuse me, of Dan
Kavanagh's research and then the big Up Yourself conference, I
think the Government are very aware that there is an issue
with screen time amongst kids in Bermuda.
And so they are, they're supportive of parents doing
something about it for a start. And then Minister Rabaine is
going to bring back the Cyber Tips program.
I think it was in effect and maybe it had trailed off a
little bit and now they're bringing it back on a full Wham.
So there'll be education for parents and kids in schools as
well as to how to have healthy online habits.
I know they've they've kind of banned phone use in schools
during school hours. Of course, that doesn't help
teach boundaries outside of the school hours.
But yeah. Somewhat helpful I guess.
Yeah, I think so. Just want to remind our
audience, Dan Kavanaugh did a very extensive and very
extensive research into mental health among young people, which
had some pretty shocking results.
And quick plug here, we did do a series with him and all four
episodes are available on the website www.thenewsnets.com, I
think. One, sorry, Jeremy, I was going
to say one more thing. I was just going to say one.
One thing. I know when I was growing up in
the 80s and 90s, there were a lot more community clubs and
community centers. You know, they were like
homework clubs. You would go after school before
your parents finished work and you did your homework type
thing. And those just don't exist
anymore. I mean, there used to be an
arcade. I mean, I could think there is
an arcade now up in Frog and Onion and Dockyard, but it's not
the same. There's not that many free
public spaces, apart from maybe the library.
Yeah. And I'm not sure.
So Jonathan Height writes in his book that a lot of it is parents
became very protective of their kids.
And so kids nowadays are not as independent as we were.
Like, you spoke to how you were out riding your bike.
Most kids are down at National Stadium with their helmet on and
their parent following them, right.
Not as many people. Sure, I do see kids out and
about on bikes, but certainly not like it was in our day.
Like, I hate to be that person, but you know, parenting has
changed a lot. You know what?
How much is that due to the content on things like social
media? I wonder because everything so
much more immediate now, isn't it?
And he gets so much misinformation and no fact
checking and suddenly you can create fear in the community.
I think that's that's definitely contributed.
But the the slide was already under way in the early 90s, at
least in, in parts of the world. And again, Jonathan Haidt talks
about that in, in his book, the fact that there was a lot more
adverts on TV and quite extreme articles in newspapers about
stranger danger and the risk of children getting abducted.
And then there was this change, that change that started then.
But I think social media has definitely amplified that
through these negative stories. Yeah, what was interesting.
Somebody attacked A paediatrician thinking they were
a paedophile. What 1 interesting thing I find
is, you know, growing up in Bermuda in the 80s and the 90s,
we only had like 2, maybe 3 TV channels.
Everyone watched the same shows. We had a common thing we could
talk about. We all kind of read the same
books. We all went to the ACT show.
Now I talked to, I don't know, different people and they're
totally watching totally different things.
Netflix is all personalized to them.
We don't have any really common things to talk about as much as
we used to. And that goes to what you guys
were just talking about, the echo chambers that the
algorithms can create. Which are very harmful and and
the and the content that you get fed as well.
Well, what was that a manosphere thing that it was?
It was a Netflix show. Pull through, we through.
Was that? Right.
Yeah, where that kid he, you know, the father was like, oh, I
thought he was fine up in his room.
His adolescence, yeah. Adolescence.
Right. Yeah, that that scene will stay
with me forever because it resonated, you know, just just
the audience knows he's right at the end.
The spoiler alert, if you haven't seen it, I'm sorry.
Where the kid was guilty, pleaded guilty to murder.
And his father just thought he was safe in his room on his
computer. But that's where it all started.
That's where he got the abuse. And that's, you know, how the
whole murder came around. And that that resonated with me
so much because, excuse me, my son, you know, was sitting
upstairs in his bedroom. As far as I know, he's playing
football manager. And he was genuinely, but I
might not have known. Yeah.
Really resonated with. Me but the whole manosphere
thing is really scary I mean I know a lot of women teachers who
are being kind of verbally assaulted using this kind of
Andrew Tate manosphere things that they're learning on their
on social media it's really really disturbing I.
Think there's worse things than that.
When I was in the UK, it's a great program where I think it
was called the 786 Club or something like that, where young
members, young men were target women, young girls they could
see were vulnerable and they'd defend them and before long they
were blackmailing them and they led to suicides.
It was absolutely awful. All this was through social
media. And The thing is as, as, as they
as children see more of this content, it just becomes
normalised to them, they become desensitised to it.
So, so some, some of the days that Una and I came across as we
were preparing for presentations recently as part of the group
were it was pretty shocking and I alluded to it earlier.
So some studies that have been undertaken in the UK, if you
look at 11 to 13 year olds, over half of them have watched
hardcore pornography on their devices.
So not just regular pornography, hardcore pornography, but if you
pornography, violent pornography.
And then if you look at 15 year olds again in the UK, in this
particular study, 3/4 of them had been sent a video of a
beheading. Now I don't know if you've ever
seen a video of beheading, but when I was about 20, someone
thought it'd be fun to send that to me.
I didn't know what it was and it was, it was horrific.
So I couldn't stop thinking about it for days.
So knowing that's how I felt at 20, I can only imagine how a 15
year old feels seeing that sort of content.
And The thing is, even if our kids aren't searching for this
stuff, you know, going back to what you were saying earlier,
you know it will find them. The algorithm will serve it up
to them or their friends will send it to them on WhatsApp and
a research group in the UK earlier this year, they set up
fake accounts as if they were thirteen years old and they set
them up on TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram and YouTube.
What they found was that these 13 year old accounts that they'd
set up within minutes were being sent content that was related to
self harm, misogynistic. So going back to the manosphere
piece weapons and and and suicide.
So, you know, I mean, that's pretty much every parent's worst
nightmare to have their child looking at this content at at
such a young age. Yeah.
We need to work on consent. Responsibility.
But whose responsibility is it? Everyone.
Well, I think, I think I think that's right.
I mean, you think about phrase it takes a village to to raise a
child. You know, I think it's a lot of
people have a role to play here. But Una, sorry, you're going to
say something. No, I, I literally was about to
say the same thing. I think it has to be a community
effort and like we said, parents are stressed and they're having
a hard time parenting as it is. However, I feel like they need
to have communication with their children and we need to educate
our kids on how to approach social media when they get
there. I think having a delay on us and
explaining why you have a delay on us and then slowly but surely
introducing it as they get older, at least you can mitigate
some of those circumstances, right?
And you can let them know, you know, if you do see something
bad online or if somebody shows you something bad online, you
can still come to me. We have an open line of
communication. We have a trustworthy
relationship. And I think that's really
important. And then I guess if cyber tips
are out in the schools, they're going to teach the kids, you
know, where their parents just are, don't have the capacity to
do it or the knowledge potentially.
And then I think we need to educate the parents as well.
What has your feedback been from teenagers?
Honestly, I haven't spoken to many of them yet and I would
love to. I actually I spoke to Dan
Kavanagh recently and he said if the Youth Advisory Board are on
board then he would be on board. I'm eager to chat to them, but
you know, he comes from a place of the teenagers and the mental
health of the young people. And I mean, I'm definitely
aligned with that, so. Just just going back to the
previous point for a moment, in terms of where does
responsibility lie, I think it's interesting to think of
parallels. So take alcohol for example, you
know, which has been around for such a long time.
We've got parents hopefully educating their children on the
dangers of it at young age. We've got society looking out
for children, going to bars, etcetera, and we have government
putting laws in place. So I think I think that's a good
analogy for how something is dangerous for a developing brain
like a child has. Then all of those different
parts of the community need to be working together to to look
out for those children. I think on those points there,
there was a lot of publicity generated by governments around
the world to advertise the dangers associated with drinking
and also of course, smoking. It strikes.
And in in the UK when I was there, Kier Starmer, the Prime
Minister came out and announced guidelines that they were going
to give parents. And it strikes me that in this
case, this is where governments can play a bigger role.
Some people were saying about the guidelines, So what didn't
matter? Other people made a very good
point there that a parent can say it's not our fault, this is
what the government says and it really helped to give them an
excuse and it really proved the government could lead.
It strikes me that we talk about the community, but somebody's
got to lead and think government maybe should leave.
Personally, I'm not criticizing government, but I think there's
an opportunity there to lead. To and in many countries around
the world they're starting to do that now.
And then just just yesterday in the UK, the minister was talking
about the fact that when a certain consultation period
finishes in late May, there will be action taken for under
sixteens. They haven't confirmed what that
action will be yet. And obviously there's been
Australia and there's, there's a list of over 20 countries that I
could find online that that are in the process of taking action,
Turkey, Spain and many others. And you know, as, as Una
mentioned, we have spoken with Minister Ferbut and Minister
Rabaine who, who actually reached out to us, which was
great. And I know it's very much
something that Minister Ferbut's been raising in her
conversations as well, talking about some data from earlier in
the year, recognising that screen time usage in, in Bermuda
is very high. So I'm, so I'm with you, Jeremy.
I think government does have a role to play and hopefully it's
a matter of time for the government in Bermuda, but.
Like I say, it gives the parents an excuse.
Absolutely they're. Not the big bad parents, the big
bad governments making them do it.
And they get away with it that way.
I certainly think we need more regulation from international
states levels. I don't think Bermuda regulating
social media is going to have much effect on Facebook or X or
anything. But I know the EU is pushing a
lot of these things. There was that court case you
just mentioned. Of course the Americans are
threatening. Was it the the UK trade deal for
digital sales tax? They're threatening.
So we're limited in what we can do.
But I think it is moving in the right direction.
And I think just having conversations like this and
raising awareness helps. As I think Una, you mentioned it
is, it's very nuanced. You know, there are class
issues, there's different issues going on.
I, I can't blame a single mother working three jobs, you know,
without a social support network to look after and and assist.
I totally understand. Yeah, using the screen.
I get it. Yeah.
Yeah, I, I totally sympathize. It's, you know, I don't think
you could cope otherwise. Yeah.
And then I think like you say about guidelines versus ban, at
least if they're governmental guidelines, like you say, it's a
fall back for parents to say this is what the government are
saying we should do. Whereas with a ban, then you
have kids that potentially need support online and potentially
online is the only place they'll find it.
Yes. So like I say, it's it's it's
nuanced, right? Yeah, very.
Nuanced. Yeah, it's really difficult to
find the balance, but I think that's where our group can come
into play whereby parents are banding together to say we're
not letting you have these devices yet, we're going to talk
to you why, we're going to let you know why, and then we can
introduce it at a later date and.
I think what's what's something I've been thinking about is
actually how difficult it is to role model the right behaviour
with, with phones. So for example, when we were
children, we would see our parents reading the mail, we'd
see our parents reading the newspaper, we'd see our parents
reading a book potentially. Now all of that happens on your
phone. You read emails, you read the
news on a website, you, you read a book on a Kindle app.
So actually children will just see us staring at a screen, not
necessarily knowing what we're doing.
And actually, perhaps a large part of what we're doing is
quite productive as opposed to just doing scrolling or, or
watching videos or on an infinite reel.
So that's something, again, I think we'll probably have to
just like talk to our children about what exactly are we doing
on our phones so they don't just assume that we're doing
something that they think is really fun.
So where do you go from here? Smartphone free Childhood
Bermuda? Where do you go from here?
So we're just trying to get more families to sign up.
Our main aim is just to get as many as we can.
And we have a chat coming up with a PTA at the end of the
month. And we've done some
presentations previously at BHS, not specifically for BHS, just
for the community, just so happened that we held them
there. And we're happy to chat to
people whenever, wherever, and just get the word out.
The website, by the way, is www.sfcbermuda.com and people
can find the info there. There's a WhatsApp group as
well. And as, as you know, sorry,
John, just to say, as you know, word of mouth is, is so
important in Bermuda. So right now we're, we're just
trying to get out there as much as possible and, and actually
just share the research because I think a lot of people probably
aren't aware of the research and it's becoming more well
understood now. But as I said, until I read this
book in the last couple of years, I wasn't completely aware
and was potentially just sleepwalking into just following
what everyone else did. And I think it's important to
just let everyone know that what data is now available that
wasn't available 10 years ago. I just wanted to ask that
website does it have like contact information people want
to join or get involved and notifications for upcoming
events and stuff? Yeah, it does.
It's just me taking care of it and so far, luckily, it hasn't
been insanely busy, but I do have a group of parents that are
very helpful as well and very supportive.
But yeah, events that are coming up will be on there.
There's an e-mail on there to get in touch with us, and then
there's AQR code for the WhatsApp group on there as well.
Awesome. Thank you.
Yeah. Well, I think that was very
enlightening. I hope our audience found it
fascinating. I don't think this is the last
time we're going to have this conversation, might not be in
this format with these people, but I'm sure this conversation
is going to go on and on and on and on, and it's going to be
interesting to see who or what action is taken.
I mean, next year it might be a wearable AI thing that we'll be
talking about instead, so. Here's the thing, isn't it?
We didn't even talk touched on AI and the effect.
That's going to have, Yeah, we kind of, we start our
presentations by saying we're not touching AI or Ed tech right
now just because let's just get on top of the phones first.
Yeah. But yeah, it's just all
snowballing on top of us, right? Great I got AI, got a new phone
and it was pre installed with Gemini.
Right, same. I mean, I am a Gemini so I
didn't mind it too much, but I'm just kidding.
I think once happy. Birthday to.
Them So talking about devices, one thing to mention actually is
that we're not necessarily children should not have a
phone. It is possible to get phones
that are not smartphones that even have inbuilt Google Maps so
that children can get around. And some of the volunteers in
the group are actually in discussions right now with the
likes of One Com Paradise Mobile and looking at what devices we
could have in Bermuda that fit with the spectrum here and which
then would allow parents to actually give their children a
phone for communication purposes without having the social media
aspects that we mentioned a moment ago.
I mean, there's not, there's not a lot of public pay phones left
anymore. So yeah, you kind of need a
phone in a sense. And I don't think many people
would know how to use them anyway, would they?
Well, our kids certainly would not, no.
It's all mine. Wouldn't have a clue.
Remember the Rotary phones were yet.
Yeah, I look like that. I want to test them one day.
I wouldn't be so cruel and. I'd.
Like to have a laugh. All right guys, on that note,
thank you very much for sparing some time.
I'm I'm sure this will be of great interest to the community.
Well, thank you very much. It's great to great to be here.
Thanks so much guys. Thanks a lot it.
Was a pleasure, thanks.