Welcome to the News Navigators with me, Jeremy Deacon.
And me, Jonathan Starling. Jonathan in hot sweaty Bermuda,
me in absolutely freezing UK. Here at the moment it's was 13°C
on my phone when I poor thing. That's awful mate, that's awful.
I I've been, I've been wearing sort of protective trousers to
walk around undergarments that go down to my knees because it's
been so cold. I turned off my bedroom fan last
night. That's how cool.
You're trying to get a bit of 1 upmanship on the weather.
I tell you, it's been blowing gales, pouring with rain,
absolutely freezing. I was quite enjoying wearing
long trousers, which I think I said before, but I've had enough
now, the weather's getting to me.
I mean, I would urge you to still wear trousers though.
I I do occasionally, yeah, yeah, especially when I go outside.
Yeah. Anyway, it's been a busy week I
or a busy few weeks and I think Jonathan, we both talked before
and we thought that the one of the biggest issues was the whole
education reform and what is happening there seems to be, I
don't know what you think, an enormous amount of confusion
about whether there is going to be a three tier system in
education, A2 tier or a hybrid, don't know.
But I thought looking at this yesterday and today, I thought
it would be interesting and useful for our listeners and our
viewers. Now, just to quickly recap on
education reform, I don't know what you think, Jonathan, but I
think to put it into context, this goes back to 2017, doesn't
it? Yeah, I mean, I'm confused by
the current situation, so I think a recap would be very
helpful for setting the context. Well, I think the word confuse
sums it up. I think everybody is.
Anyway, if you look back, so in 2017, the Minister of Education,
it was Diallo Rabaine at the time introduced Plan 2022.
Now that was the strategic plan for public school education and
it was meant to be, it was set out to be a long term blueprint
which was going to transform the education, public education
system in Bermuda apparently. And I remember at the time there
was a lot of community input, including from parents, union
students, the education people, the unions, etcetera.
And it set goals to be implemented for the
infrastructure, the type of schools, what outcomes are
expected from students, etcetera, etcetera.
The idea was under that there was a commitment, and it was an
election commitment that the school system was going to move
from three tiers, primary, middle and senior, to two tiers,
primary through to year 8 and then senior schools.
So a lot of middle schools were going to be, all the middle
schools will be phased out. There were going to be signature
learning programs, which you've seen at Cedar Bridge and
Barkley. Clearwater was meant to be an
environmental signature learning school, wasn't it?
And before I left, I didn't see anything happening at
Clearwater's. I don't know what's happened
with that. The parish primary schools,
they're going to be expanded years 1 to 8 and well, we're
still waiting to see what's happened.
So that's that's a little bit of context about it.
Now we know earlier this month that there was there were
meetings at Francis Patton Primary School in Dalwood.
And there it seemed to be revealed that Plan 2022 was
going to do a bit of AU turn and it was going to be like a
different plan all together in that middle schools were
probably going to continue or they were going to be termed
lower secondary satellite schools.
Parish primary schools would revert back to P1 to P6 rather
than expand to Year 8. And some closures may be
reversed or delayed. Now, of course, that completely
contradicted what Plan 2022 was originally about.
So the reaction has been quite something.
The parents, not surprisingly, have expressed complete
confusion, the word we used at the beginning of all this, and
not a not a little bit of anger, which can't really blame them
because it does appear on the face of it to be a rather sudden
change of direction. Now that also, of course,
culminated in in action by a demo by pupils, if you remember,
who said we are not experiments and there were pupils at
France's pattern. The union said that the
statements coming out of those meetings did not align with what
the teachers have been told and they were worried about the
disruption and the uncertainty. And they accused the government
at the time of failing to engage in proper consultation contrary
to agreements. Now at this stage I remember
commenting, Jonathan, that the Minister of Education, Crystal
Caesar had needed to come out and start communicating because
there was an utter balls up in the communication here and this
would all comes down to the communication.
So she came out and acknowledged concerns but insisted that no
final decisions had been made, which you know, OK.
And she said that there was an active feedback gathering phase
that quite all that means when they were consulting with
internal, external stakeholders. Now to me, I wasn't clear about
what that feedback gathering phase was.
Was that on what the apparent an apparent U-turn on Plan 2022 or
was it continuation of consultation on Plan 2022?
And as I mentioned before, there's been plenty of
consultation. And she also promised a better
update, a clearer update mid February next month.
So that was a potted history. And I hope I explained that is a
lot to explain. If you look back at 20179 years
worth of explaining to do to me, there's, you know, a couple of
things that come out of here. And then what are the issues
raised from the last few weeks are what they say and what the
bigger picture is. And the question of trust I
think is really important here. The I think longer term, short,
medium, long term, there's betrayal of trust or a lack of
trust now in what government actually wants to do.
I'm going to continue here, Jonathan, because I'm on a roll.
At least I think I'm on a roll. Our listeners and viewers maybe
is switched off already. Is it a policy retreat?
So, you know, this is one of the issues raised from what's
happened in the last few weeks. Is it a policy retreat?
Is it AU turn? We don't know.
And that's not being made clear. I think the minister's statement
probably confused things even more.
As I mentioned earlier on, there's been a massive
communications failure here. I mean, this is textbook, If
you're in PR or comms of what not to do, it's absolutely
textbook as far as I'm concerned.
And you know, you're looking at these mixed messages.
You're looking what appears to be an abrupt shift.
And as I said, they've helped to undermine public trust.
When the minister finally came out to me, her comments were
reactive and they were made because of the backlash rather
than kind of pre emptively ensuring alignment and clarity.
I don't know whether she was taken by surprise at the
messages coming out, those public meetings at the schools
or whether those giving the briefings got it wrong, though
it's hard to imagine that they got it totally wrong because
presumably they were the education officials.
And I think it suggests that, well, responsibility for
decision making. Where is that?
Where is that at the moment? Who is making the decisions
here? And then there's a little matter
of course of the somewhat 8 and a half million that we spent on
those education consultants from Australia.
Now if we really are doing AU turn U-turn on plan 2022, we
spent millions to get back to square 1.
And I think what was really interesting when I read the
story in The Gazette, which originally broke, broke this
issue, is that it's been described as, well, we're now
calling a dog a cat. Well.
That's. In relation to the middle
schools, right? Basically, yeah.
But I mean, that was a central plank, wasn't it, to get rid of
the middle schools. It was a central plank to get
rid of them. So I don't know, John Jonathan,
that's that's my thoughts. I've got bigger questions that
it raises, but I don't know what your thoughts are so far.
I can come back to the bigger questions later on.
Well, I mean, it's been said before, I forget who first kind
of coined it, but they said it probably around 2010 or
something that the Education Ministry is a bit of a poisoned
chalice. It's a, it's a big, it's a big
issue. And for quite some time the
reform of the education system has been kind of kicked out, the
cans being kicked down the road a bit.
So when the PLP started, when they got re elected in 2017,
they, they were really ambitious with their plans for the reform.
So on the one hand it was good that they were, that it was
finally being addressed and no longer kicked down the road.
The whole process has not been ideal since.
Was it 2022 when the whole thing really got off the ground after
COVID? Yeah, it hasn't been ideal, but
I think there's been a lot of question marks over the the
amount of money available for school reorganization and stuff
like that. And you know, I mentioned
Clearwater that was going to be down for an environment place,
but nothing's happened. I mean, I would say personally,
I never fully understood or agreed with the concept of
signature schools. And the reason I say that is
because I think kids are too young to really be deciding on
what they want as a future career.
Especially men. Especially boys.
Yeah, our our brains do develop a bit slower.
It comes down to a philosophy of education.
For me, education should be about creating a rounded
individual with a good general knowledge and a good kind of
critical thinking. And of course, if any student
displays a particular aptitude for this or that, then I would
have hoped that the education authorities would encourage them
and provide them with the resources to support them with
that. But that's why I was kind of
critical of the signature schools per SE.
To me that was saying that education is about choosing what
kind of worker you want to be for the rest of your life,
whereas to me education was about making you a very rounded
whole human, if that makes sense.
So that's. Why?
I no, it does make sense. I was actually really confused
by the issue of signature schools initially, and this
might be my mistake. I thought it was going to be the
whole school, you know, or a large part of the school
dedicated to, to these subjects, but it turned out that it was.
You can pick that subject if you like, you know it wasn't going
to be the entire ethos of the school I.
Was quite surprised. Confused me further as well.
I mean again, that was just my general thought on signature
schools, but if they were going to do it then OK.
I don't have a kid in the schools at the moment.
I've got a godson and and a niece who are in the schools,
but I don't directly have any children in the school.
So I kind of took a back seat just to see how the education
was going to go. Any reform can be good or bad.
Even if I disagree with the idea, it doesn't mean it's a bad
idea. It just means I was
philosophically not convinced by it.
But I will say that the the whole process has been rocky
throughout. I mean, we saw how, what was it?
West End Primary and there was another school as well, St.
George's Wrap, I want to say. One it was Saint Davies wasn't
It was a big U-turn on Saint David.
'S right. So there were issues raised
throughout that honestly, I think really understood it
because me, I don't really have much of an emotional connection
with my armor matter with my, my old school, especially not my
primary school, but there's different histories in different
sections of the community. I had this from primary all the
way to seniors. So just to put that out there as
a qualifier. So I, I, I didn't fully
understand that emotional connection, but I do understand
the history, especially with segregation.
Some schools were the white schools, some schools were the
black schools. The white schools obviously got
the better location and the better infrastructure, you know,
so there's that history. There's a lot of history.
I I understand the emotional part of it, having covered many,
many stories where where parents are being protested at their
school closure, partly because it's, you know, part of the
community. It's a central part of the
community and they don't want to see it go.
It's the start of the degradation of that community.
It's like you lose your school, you lose your post office, you
lose your local pub. But it would be that case in the
UK. So I totally get the emotional
attachment. To it, I get it.
Intellectually, I'll put. It there, Yeah.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, No, I do get that.
And I having covered dozens of school protests about closures,
I kind of understand what they're coming from.
So so they did the consultations and part of it was a matrix to
decide on the infrastructure, which schools were best to keep
type thing. I do think they should have
included more of the cultural aspect, which they did go back
and revive. I did go back, yeah.
However, it wasn't clear if they went and rescored every school
or just the schools where people were protesting.
Correct, which added another layer of confusion over the
whole process. And I, and you know, there are
other schools could have kicked up and said, well, if you're
rescoring, you should rescore all of us.
I was actually surprised that other schools didn't protest
after that. And, and maybe they did, maybe
they did rescore everyone. It just wasn't clear to me.
And I, I think it's important to note that there are, as I
understand it, there's the ministry is not a monolith.
It's not a monolith. You have a communication
strategy for the Ministry of Education, but there was also a
separate communication strategy for education reform.
So you have two different communication narratives or
strategies going on and. I almost 3, almost 3 actually.
If you talk about the consultants as well, what you've
looked at is what you've identified is something I was
going to come on to. There were three different sects
of people here, a reform unit, the consultants and the
ministry. Now, I've, I talked to a lot of
people involved about this and, and I I can never write a story
on it because I could never get enough information.
So with that proviso before I say this, but there seem to be a
lot of antipathy between the three groups and they wouldn't
talk to each other. You know, you're laughing.
You, you probably heard the same thing.
And I think, yeah, and, and that has probably helped to negate a
lot of work. He's probably stalled progress
on things. Obviously, there's a bunch of
silos. Obviously, there are people
saying, no, my idea is right. Whether that's fed into what has
happened in the last few weeks, I don't know.
But all is not well, clearly, and hasn't been for a while
within education. So you're talking about a calm
strategy, yes, but the three units can't agree.
Yeah. So there wasn't any, as far as I
can tell from the outside looking in, there's no one
unified communication strategy. And it's not clear to me that
even if there is communication strategy, if the official
announcements are part of that, are they actually listening to
the advice of the communication plan?
I don't know. I mean, you've worked in PR
before, you've had cases where you've come up with a
communication strategy and then your client goes rogue, right?
Yeah, I'm not going to go into detail.
This brings back bad memories. So.
Nights. Sleepless nights.
So that that's why, just in case the communications strategists
are listening, I'm not necessarily throwing the blame
on them. I don't.
Know. I don't understand the
situation. I'm, I'm not throwing the blame
on any of them because I think there needs to be leadership
from the top. Pull these all these people
together and you know, bang a few heads if needs be.
But I wonder, going back to that, Jonathan, I wonder if
that's the root cause of what happened.
The one con strategy says, yeah, go and announce what's happening
at these two meetings at Francis Patton and Dalwood and it's all
good because this is what's going to happen.
Then somebody else says, Oh my goodness me, no, we don't want
to release that. We shouldn't release that.
So let's have a different con strategy and put this out from
the minister saying it's still ongoing whichever way makes
shambles. Yeah, I mean as I don't, I've
read through the different reports, the press releases
recently, I'm confused. I don't know what's going on.
So a. Real problem.
And you and I are pretty. I mean, the whole point of the
podcast is news navigators. We read the news and try to help
people navigate it. And we're confused.
And you can imagine the average person on the streets even more
confused here. Oh, Rudder is broken.
We don't know where we're going. Yeah, we can't really help you
navigate this one. But we can give a perspective.
Yeah, I mean. We can't explain the confusion,
if nothing else. Yeah, and it didn't help that
the premier, of course, was he was overseas at Davos last week,
so he couldn't even respond. I mean, he shouldn't have to.
The minister is there. The Minister of Education is the
one responsible for education. I'm looking forward to her
coming out and helping to clarify this issue.
She she give an interview on ZBM and one to the RG.
To me neither of them went far enough to clarify what is
actually happening. I think they were both fairly
the usual type of political interview where the subject
matter was steered away with non answers.
I mean, I will say I have. By the way, Jonathan, I have
invited her personally. She follows the news navigators
Crystal Caesar on on LinkedIn. I've I've messaged her this
morning and I did e-mail DCI. That's the Department of
Communications of Information asking for an interview.
I've not heard back yet though. I am not actually going to hold
my breath. No, I mean, I quite like
minister of Caesar and I do hope that she takes this opportunity
to come and help us, help us understand and help our
listeners understand. I mean, the, the most optimistic
scenario, or I don't want to call it spin because it's not my
job to do the spin, but my most optimistic interpretation of
what's going on is that they realize that maybe their
ambitions or aspirations for the reform were too, too, too
optimistic compared to the reality on the ground.
And so there's nothing wrong with saying we're going to take
a pause, we're going to step back.
We're not going to be able to do the reform in the time frame we
have previously communicated. And there's always going to be
that case where you got to RIP off the Band-Aid and it's going
to cause pain no matter what. That's the most optimistic
interpretation I could put forward.
But if you're going to do that, you need a clear communication
strategy where you anticipate the questions that are going to
come from this and the reactions.
And I just feel that that has not occurred in this case.
For whatever reason it just doesn't seem to have happened
and I don't. Know it hasn't and I think
statements that I've seen that muddied the waters because
talking about further consultation with all
stakeholders consultation on what because we've had all the
consultation you need on the original plan 2022.
We saw that because it was started to be implemented the
minister when she came in after the election put everything on
pause started again. So what is it being what is
being consulted on? I don't know.
And I think, you know, we, we could, I do think that because,
because education as we know in Bermuda is so important and
because in the past that the education ministry was a real
revolving door. I remember being at The Gazette
and I think they've been something like 11 ministers in
10 years or something. This was going back ten years or
so. It's been such a revolving door
that I honestly think government, government generally
has lost a lot of credibility over this because it's been a
cock up. Well, I, I will say that, you
know, when the PLP came into power, I think the former
Minister of Education, Minister Diallo Rabain, he was the
minister pretty much since 2017 until 2025.
So there were, sorry. 25 election.
Yeah, well, there were, they're absolutely, I totally agree and
credit to them. And the Oba was just as bad.
Don't get me wrong, I think they had four different ministers in
their time. They did?
Yeah, a year. Yeah, it really was actually.
Yeah, I think so. And the last minister there, I
think, and he served a couple of months before they lost the
election. So at least for better or worse,
they're worse at least consistency with having a single
minister for a long period of time.
And it was a good idea. Yeah, and they.
Moved. Actually, I don't know if he
asked to be moved or was moved. I was quite surprised because I
thought he would be wanting to see through this.
Is Diallo Rabain wanted to see through the Plan 2022?
You know, I'd have to, we'd have to get his, his thoughts on it.
But he may not want his comment. I think we might get steered
away from the proper answer now. I'm going, my personal view of
that was because he was so, so much the face of the education
reform and the rocky period that they had with the protests,
especially from West End. I think that maybe for political
purposes, it was good to get a new face to kind of take the the
heat out of the education reform process.
But of course, now all of that heat is now directed to Minister
Caesar. And she's made it worse, or it's
been made worse for her. Yeah, I mean, I said I I still
don't understand what's going on even with the potted history you
gave. I'm still confused about the
decisions that were made and the the communication strategy in
question. Yeah, I'm I think to me sounds
like the original plan 2022 is being completely or will be
completely hollowed out actually and be end up as being a bit of
a ghost framework. And you can understand.
That in a way a shame, because at least on the Plan 2222 there
was a direction. Yeah, I've had months.
Along the way, but there was a direction.
I completely understand the frustration of, you know, the
parents and the educators because even if they didn't
necessarily agree with the plan, at least they had that plan.
As you said, the direction everyone was working with this
expectation that next year was going to be XY and Z and now
it's AB and C. So a bit of a whiplash for
parents and the educators, the principals to to get their head
around because now everything has changed or paused and no one
knows. Well, we're not quite sure.
We think it's paused, but which communication plan was
communicating that we we so frustrating.
Yeah, I mean, Minister Caesar, if you're listening, we do hope
that you come on. I would love to have you here to
kind of clear the air and help us make sense what's going on.
Maybe there's very good reasons and we're just getting, you
know, you know, the the, what's that game?
Chinese whispers. Yeah.
Maybe that's what's happening, I don't know, but we we're happy
to help you clarify if you want to.
Come on. And we'll ask you very easy
questions. No, no hardball questions
whatsoever. Ever.
Tall. Sure.
Well, on that note, fingers crossed.
I mean, on, on another note about something that caught me
off by surprise was while the premiere was at Davos, the World
Economic Forum last week and he gave a presentation, I think it
was one of those kind of side presentations that happened away
from the mainstage. Yeah, it was, yeah.
And he was talking about Bermuda has ambitions to become the
world's first fully on chain economy and.
Please explain, Jonathan, please explain.
I was going to ask you to explain because I don't fully
understand what on chain economy is.
I don't. The best that I can understand
is on chain is related to blockchain, which is the
technology which allows you to properly trace ownership or
identification over time. So it's it's harder to.
Glorify but very good accounting system to speed things up.
Right. So it it will.
Speed that's and it will reduce costs.
The idea will help to reduce costs.
As well, Yeah, by making things more digital so you can like I
think they gave the example of TCD, you can go in you yeah,
can't do things more online in a sense.
You you, you can get your blockchain out of your wallet
and pay and hand over a Bitcoin. Yeah, they were talking about a
statement. No, I'm being facetious.
Now, I don't fully understand all of that technology.
I'm I'm not a, I'm not an old fogey.
I'm not as old as Jeremy here, but I'm not a techie person,
I'll put it that way. I just figured out to set up a
DVD player when they stop issuing them if that helps.
So look, OK, I'm not going to lie here, right?
I actually use my friend ChatGPT.
See, I don't even use that. Well, I'm getting used to using
it. And so I had to, I had to get
ChatGPT. I thought it was quite
appropriate, being a modern technology to ask what the hell
this meant. So he says the world's the
intention is to be the world's first fully on chain national
economy. So according to Chat, this means
that everyday financial activity, payments, transfers,
business transactions would be recorded and processed on
blockchain technology. No, I think blockchain
technology has actually been around for quite a long time
now. And as I said, I think it's a
glorified accounting system that helps to speed things up.
So you're getting around things like the banks doesn't do the
banks. So you're getting around all
those kind of fees that you would get with the bank.
If you do a transaction on a credit card, you get charged a
percentage, don't you? And stuff like that.
And you have to pay for the privilege of having a, for a,
for a, for a credit card. So I I'm sure there's people out
there who are going to say this is complete bollocks, but I
don't know. We'll see.
I think that I think it can work and I think you can save a lot
of costs and make things a lot more frictionless, as I think
it's phrased. But I do think it's going to
need a lot of public education and people to get used to it.
I understand that it's going to be voluntary initially.
Yes. I don't really know how we're
going to be a national one if it's voluntary, because given
our demographics and I'm, I, you know, and I'm and I'm getting
there myself. And I said this with greatest
respect to all those people my age or all older.
But I imagine a lot of us are going to be quite resistant to
this, mainly because of fear of not understanding it.
I remember when the story came out on the RG and I posted a
comment and I'm saying good grief please please I'm just
hanging on by my fingernails now.
With technology and I didn't have my children I would have
fallen. I think it probably might cause
a bit of distress or misunderstanding from older
people. I.
Mean, I think we're going to have to retain the older system
for some time. So we're not going to
necessarily see the saving cost because not everyone is going to
adopt it. But for the early adopters, I
mean, over time, people are going to phase out and it's
going to be more phased in, I'll put it that way, as the
demographics change. I'll be phased out mate, I'll
tell you. But I don't, I mean, that's one
side of it. I mean there is a serious side
of it that you know, we've heard a lot about fraud and security
with blockchain stuff, you know, cryptos, I suppose I don't
that's the same kind of stuff. We've, we've heard a lot about
those and like we said that you know, if you want these
so-called digital wallets and stuff like that, well, you've
got to understand it. We've kind of touched on that a
little bit and we need to have a very clear framework.
Presumably the BMA, if it isn't already has to work on the
regulations and oversight of how this is going to happen.
So to me, if it does happen, it's a voluntary thing.
If it's going to get get some traction, there's a lot of
things to do before it's going to get anywhere near being the
national thing. I mean, I think it is
potentially good. I mean, there's a lot of hype
and stuff around blockchain and Bitcoin and all of that.
It is a bit of a bubble, but there are valid uses to it.
And I think that what is being proposed will benefit the
country over time and, you know, not just the public service, but
also the individual customers of the public service, you know,
the public. So it's just a matter of that
education and getting used to it, I guess, and making.
Sure. What's the?
Best purpose? What's kind of interesting is
that this has been hailed, it's been in partnership with
Coinbase. And who are the other guys?
Coinbase? Let me just go back to my notes
'cause I can't remember. Is it Penrose?
Coinbase and Circle, that's right, Circle set up an office
here or the incorporated here some time ago.
What's interesting to me is I've not seen this kind of thing make
news anywhere else. Yeah, and it's already been a
leader. But sometimes it's better
following when he can see other people's mistakes.
Yeah. I mean, at the same time, I, I
do think it's worth taking the risk on some things at times
from you to can be too conservative and won't adopt
things early because they want to see how it plays out.
And I get it. That does make sense for some
things, but I'm not against this also experimenting and trying
new things either and being innovative.
I will say I personally am going to have to research it more and
I hope that we, we've, we've had people on talking about AI
before and this is something I think we're going to need to
get. An extra?
I think so, yeah. Yeah, hopefully.
I don't know if people at Coinbase or Circle listen to
this, but if they do, please drop us a line because we'd love
to have you on and talk about it a little bit more.
We really would. In In the meantime, Jonathan,
when I get back from the UKI look forward to seeing you get
your digital wallet out and buy me a beer with a Bitcoin.
All right, I don't have a digital wallet, but I'll need to
figure out how to get one. Well, you've got until the end
of March mate to work it out and I should be very impressed if
you if you take me to the swizzle in and buy me a a beer
with a digital wallet. Interestingly, there are there
is some like uneven adoption of these kind of technologies.
So take a Rock Island Cafe for example.
It's a it's a cafe in on Reed St. in the middle of the city of
Hamilton. You can only pay with cash
there. You can't pay with like a debit
or a credit card. They don't accept that because
of the cost of the pay the POS, the point of service payment
system but and however pay with Bitcoin I believe there.
Don't you really? Yeah, they they accept, I think
it's Bitcoin, they might accept one of the other digital
currencies and I'm saying that and I'll go there tomorrow and
find out. I was wrong, but that's my
understanding. I've heard people say that they
can pay with Bitcoin there, but they can't pay with a debit
card. So there are some places that
are already accepting these kind of cryptocurrencies, I guess.
I see. I could I go back to, you know,
I'm 63 in May and I just want to carry on as I am.
I don't want any more tech being thrown in my face.
Thank you. I hear you.
I'm stuck in the mud. I guess a lot of our listeners
probably are as well. I mean that in the nicest
possible way. Well, I mean, you're, you're
embracing AI pretty well and you're using it for the podcast.
So you know it's. Good I am.
I'm intrigued by how to teach AI actually.
I spent a lot of time teaching it and feeding it information
and what to do and what not to do.
The results are pretty good I have to say.
Although I do find that there is a need for constant reminders.
I haven't seen it hallucinating. It made a name up once, which is
rather bizarre. That's the only hallucination
I've seen. But yeah, I'm actually, I'm
actually quite impressed with it.
It's OK. I use it quite minimally love
for research. And even that I'm careful
because I ask it to always cite its sources so I can go and it's
not some jackrabbit.com taking me down to Google rabbit hole,
you know, and that it is a recognized source and I and I
click on the link. So yeah, it's OK.
It's OK. A lot more to come from it, I
think. But that's we've done a little
podcast on that. Maybe we should do it again
because it's been so much progress since then.
Really has anyway. So if you know about digital
wallets and you've got an opinion about digital wallets
and if you can correct everything that we've said
that's wrong, we'd really like to know.
You can get us on any social media.
You can message us there or it's thanheisnow@gmail.com.
I think, Jonathan, I think we both exposed our ignorance, so
maybe we should get out while we're still slightly ahead on
blockchain and crypto and on chain technologies.
What do you think? Yes, we will study and get back
and to help people navigate these things better.
And you're going to buy me that pint.
Sure. May the March the 3rd OK, I'll
be over my jet lag and I'll meet you with.
Us I might give you a digital pint, a non fungible token of a
pint. Sounds disgusting.
All right mate. On that note, take care.
All right, bye. See you.
Bye.