1 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:10,800 This week Thanksgiving was celebrated in the United States 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,400 and families are gathering around tables and other meeting 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,400 spots and sharing meals and conversations with one another. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,600 Some of these conversations might be easy and light While 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,600 others may get more heated, more closely resembling debates. 6 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:30,500 But what if instead of other people you were given the 7 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:34,200 opportunity to have a conversation with a tree? 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,600 What might you say? Is there something in particular 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,800 that you would want to hear or know these are the questions 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,100 that we set out to explore when tree speech was invited to bring 11 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:49,400 this podcast to Life by creating an installation gallery? 12 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:53,300 Experience. In this episode, we will focus 13 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:57,700 on the creation of our first-ever exhibition, titled, a 14 00:00:57,708 --> 00:01:02,900 conversation in a clearing. Hi, I'm Dora Robinson and this 15 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:05,700 is tree speech. A podcast where we strive to 16 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:07,400 hear the forest through the trees. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,100 We were offered the opportunity to create this Gallery 18 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:14,300 experience for the storage closet, Gallery, Lowell, 19 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:18,900 Massachusetts, outside of Boston, not knowing exactly how 20 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:22,400 to approach this task. This new, Citing challenge 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,800 producer Jonathan's out. Nur, and I set out to figure out 22 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:30,200 how this could possibly be done and we began a long process of 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,500 brainstorming and planning, here is a conversation between 24 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:38,000 Jonathan and I as we discussed the beginning stages of this 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,800 project are process of putting it together and the goals we 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:48,200 shared for the finish product. Let's listen Hi Jonathan so 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,800 exciting man. Behind the curtain? 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,300 Well this will be a treat. Yeah, let's start at the 29 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:58,400 beginning. Hey, yeah, well, do you remember 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,800 when I first came to you with the idea basically you and I 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Jonathan we do so much immersive work you know we did immersive 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,400 work with a light theater Guild on the elm tree. 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,300 And so I came to you and I said there's a very small space but 34 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:18,200 it's special to you. I remember there was a little 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:24,200 trepidation but I remember when you told me that I thought the 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,300 challenge would be something really great to work on because 37 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:34,200 we're audio a podcast and so I love the immersive work that 38 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,400 we've done and I thought oh if we could somehow maybe bring the 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,400 podcast to life in some way to create an experience that's that 40 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:48,300 takes the audio and goes beyond. That could be a really exciting 41 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:52,400 and rewarding project. Do you remember what our 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,200 original thought was? I think we both did our own sort 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,200 of research where we sat with the idea. 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,900 We spent a lot of time Outdoors of course it was summer at that 45 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:08,400 point so we're thinking about college and then somehow we came 46 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,000 across a few resources that I think really spoke to us and 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,200 really spoke to what we were trying to do. 48 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:18,300 I knew that it It'd be a busy time that it would be in this 49 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:20,600 space where there would be a lot of hustle and bustle. 50 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,900 People shopping people may be stressed because this season 51 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,100 sort of adds stress to our lives. 52 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:30,000 It's a beautiful season, but it's also, there's a lot of 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,500 extra work and activities and things that have to be prepared 54 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:37,900 and done, and, you know Austin. Yeah. 55 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:40,600 Exactly. So personally, I wanted to 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,800 create a space where people could maybe leave that hustle 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 and bustle and just have a few moments. 58 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Maybe in a sort of meditative area, to just sit and breathe 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,400 and to ground themselves and to realize, it's all okay, it'll 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,500 all get done. It's all right. 61 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,100 Like it really enjoy this moment. 62 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:03,300 So we had this idea of creating sort of a sanctuary, a peaceful 63 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,300 place for people where we could also create a midi podcast 64 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:11,600 episode, that people could respond to, or have time with 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:18,000 from there, some books fell into our our laps It Is wintering by 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,600 Catherine May which really spoke to both of us. 67 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,200 I think in different ways. Do you want to talk about that 68 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:25,000 possible? Yeah. 69 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,900 Absolutely. Because I think I know for me, 70 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:30,800 I'm aware of the fact that not everyone can just go to the 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,800 woods for a multitude of reasons. 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,400 It's really interesting to go from wanting to give people a 73 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,200 taste of the woods and a taste of sanctuary. 74 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,900 And what does that look like? I mean, we went through so many 75 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:48,400 ideas and so many Details within each idea. 76 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:51,400 I think wintering really did help us find the core, I'm 77 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,400 pretty sure you found it. But the idea that life has 78 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,700 cycles and part of that is winter and the concept of winter 79 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:04,200 as sort of a verb meaning that it is normal and natural for 80 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,900 things to be still and then find rebirth and that all parts of 81 00:05:09,907 --> 00:05:13,400 the process are so beautiful. And so important, and part of 82 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 the beauty of the book is that she talks. 83 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:20,400 Talks about how everyone nowadays in a world where we 84 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,300 have electricity and we have the internet, we have all these 85 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:25,800 things, we want an internal summer. 86 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,500 We feel like we should always be happy, always be productive. 87 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,900 But there are times in life where we are wintering. 88 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:37,400 And the idea that there's Beauty in that and rather than pushing 89 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,800 against and saying, why am I moving slower or I shouldn't 90 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,900 allow myself to be sad that I think have making space for all 91 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:50,200 of these seasons? And the beauty that is winter in 92 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,500 of itself, not just, we're going dormant so that spring can come 93 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:58,600 exactly. And it's really being in touch 94 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,600 and in tune, with the, the cycles of nature wherever we 95 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,300 are. We both read about how when the 96 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:10,400 leaves fall away from trees and Autumn that, they actually 97 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,100 expose the buds that are on the tree as the tree is preparing. 98 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:20,300 Through winter and works through winter internally, so that 99 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:23,800 they're ready to bloom in the spring, but that work keeps 100 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,900 going. We just don't see any just 101 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:29,000 Sophia, there's something so beautiful about that and I think 102 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,700 we've learned a lot of lessons in regard to that during this 103 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:37,700 kind of pandemic lockdown time, which I also sort of wanted to 104 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:40,400 be reminded, I didn't want to lose. 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,300 I don't was a painful and sad time for a lot of people but I 106 00:06:44,308 --> 00:06:46,100 didn't want to lose the light flash. 107 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:50,600 Instead, so many of us learned and gained, which were about 108 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,000 what productivity looks like and new ways of communicating and 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,100 looking inward, instead of sort of being really busy on the 110 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:03,300 outside, I had the opportunity to see people come out of the 111 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:06,800 exhibit. And it really seems as though, 112 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:12,200 right now, the installation holds people, and gives people a 113 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,400 sense of timelessness and the space sort of says, As it's okay 114 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,400 to slow down. It's okay to feel overwhelmed, 115 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,600 all of, that's okay. And many people have come out of 116 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,500 the installation teary-eyed. Because, I think, again, that 117 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:30,700 we're so focused on what's next. And as you mentioned, it's such 118 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:36,400 a busy time of year with a lot of high expectations and just 119 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,700 saying it's okay, right? And it's good to take cues from 120 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:46,200 nature because nature knows exactly the cycle knows how to 121 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,100 Regenerate and how to take care of itself. 122 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:53,700 No matter what, why don't we describe the installation for 123 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,100 the people who can't see it? Or, you know, just to sort of 124 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:01,300 paint an idea of what the experience it? 125 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:03,200 Do you want to start? Sure. 126 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:08,200 So what's really fun is that you're going, we mentioned 127 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,200 Narnia during our process several times because we're 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,300 going from a place that's Industrial Source, Industrial in 129 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,900 an old milk. Building, there's a hallway with 130 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:22,000 a door that looks like a normal door and you open the door and 131 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,200 immediately there's sound. There's different lighting. 132 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,300 And the space is almost completely white, but not not a 133 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:35,299 harsh, white, a very warm white. I would say that you're drawn 134 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:42,299 into a clearing of birch, trees and snow and light and warmth. 135 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:46,400 The idea is that sort of the world has grown up around This 136 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,200 Fantastical place. There's a lot of texture. 137 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 I think that's what I love most about the space. 138 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,700 Is that where we have a lot of natural elements? 139 00:08:54,700 --> 00:09:00,200 We have trees, we have branches. We have grasses, we have snow 140 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:04,800 and I think it's interesting when you put these natural 141 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,100 elements in a gallery space that you're also asking people to 142 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:13,200 examine them in a different way. And to see them from a different 143 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,400 angle is because what is a gallery for its for Viewing and 144 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,100 really seeing art and then within all of these natural 145 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:26,800 elements is a rack and a chair. And these these things that are 146 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,000 almost fairytale-like in quality and then buried in the snow is a 147 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:34,800 old clock that may or may not work. 148 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,600 We don't know there's ticking and there's wind up sounds 149 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,300 within the soundtrack but that really came from this idea. 150 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:46,100 And I think you brought it in that we're looking at the past 151 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:51,700 We're examining how we got to the space which which we hope 152 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,200 that people. Maybe question. 153 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,500 How did these things and up here, who put this rock here in 154 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:59,700 this chair? But then also thinking about how 155 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:04,100 we our ancestors to the Future and what is the role and 156 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:08,400 responsibilities that we have, you know, in this environment 157 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,200 and in these natural spaces and within our world to those, that 158 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,000 will come after us. And so that Is reflected in the 159 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,100 space but also in the the podcast in the audio and the 160 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:24,500 audio plays. It's a combination of music and 161 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:26,700 sound effect, but it's sort of heightened. 162 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,400 It's almost cinematic. And I did that on purpose 163 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:35,000 because I really wanted people to be able to suspend disbelief, 164 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,500 and to shed the armor that we sort of have on within our 165 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:43,200 day-to-day and to be able to come to a place where they where 166 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,900 they could feel all of these things and see them. 167 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:50,900 And Batman and and have this private moment without worrying 168 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:54,700 about what others thought or how they're supposed to act or to 169 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,900 take it in that. It's really is their time and 170 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,600 their space to do with it what they want. 171 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:02,900 Absolutely. And that is something that we 172 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:06,500 really encouraged and still encourage with interaction. 173 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:10,200 The space that we really dreamed up and said it'll be one or two 174 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,700 people at most in the space and people have been sharing winter 175 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,800 memories to people. In particular who are cousins 176 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,900 when into the space separately and they both wrote about the 177 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:25,000 same memory or someone would talk about having a really 178 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 difficult time at home and running away and climbing up in 179 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,400 a tree and seeing the snow fall. And so, winter means many things 180 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,300 to many people and that goes back to original conversation 181 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:42,200 about finding sort of this Nostalgia of the time. 182 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:46,600 Again, the title is conversation in a clearing and that's A what 183 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,000 we're aiming to do, I think the audio also is from the 184 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,000 perspective of a tree, I should mention of a birch tree that's 185 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,100 in the space so you can have a conversation with that tree the 186 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:03,900 audio ask questions which you can view their bully answer or 187 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:08,500 internally or Journal, you know however you want to have that 188 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:12,300 conversation with the tree. My goal is that you would leave 189 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:17,300 that space, that was created and go out into the The real world 190 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:23,300 outside of this little Narnia and that you maybe look at trees 191 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:26,500 or look at nature or other things as if they are in a 192 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,800 gallery. You appreciate them as if they 193 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,200 are high art hanging on the wall and that that it's somehow 194 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:37,700 changes the way that you walk throughout these natural spaces 195 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:42,000 in our in your everyday life. Which is what part of what we 196 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,900 want to do with the podcast. You know is changing that Secion 197 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:50,400 we have every day with the trees, we pass every day. 198 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,100 We don't think about this specific Tree in that specific 199 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:56,600 tree and that specific tree or most of us don't. 200 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,000 And so the idea of If you experience something like a 201 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 conversation in a clearing, then the next time you encounter a 202 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,200 tree, you might think to yourself. 203 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:11,400 What is this tree saying, what question would I ask this tree? 204 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,700 What question is this tree asking of me? 205 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 What is there to learn from the wisdom? 206 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:20,700 Adam of trees and particular. M.nature, I heard one person as 207 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:25,200 they were entering the gallery. He opened the door so as he was 208 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,400 stepping in, he said, oh wow, this is so much more. 209 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:34,100 This is so much more and he didn't, that was the sentence 210 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:40,000 that there is there is a whole experience on the other end of a 211 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,600 question. Like we we ask the question, 212 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,800 what would happen if we create a clearing for people to How bad 213 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,700 experience with the tree to have a conversation with the tree? 214 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:53,600 And there's, there's so many possibilities on the other end 215 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,600 of that. There's so much more, right? 216 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,200 Right. And that was important for us is 217 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,800 there's a lot of details in the physical space but I think we 218 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,800 have to keep reminding ourselves that really this installation 219 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,600 lives within the minds of the people who experience it because 220 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:16,000 it is that nostalgic memory and experience and whatever your 221 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,900 bringing into the space. So it's so much more than just 222 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:24,200 the trees than just the audio. It's sort of this combination 223 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,500 this marriage of all of these elements and then your own 224 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:32,500 personal, like we said, we don't get that many opportunities to 225 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:37,100 sort of unpack all of that and to experience it and express it. 226 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:42,700 And so, I'm so happy that we were able to find a way to 227 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:46,200 invite them to do that. Well, what a pleasure to To 228 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,700 speak with you. I will hold the ladder for you. 229 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:53,500 Anything, it was a lot of ladder time. 230 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:59,200 Thank you. Jonathan, what are the pleasure 231 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:12,500 creating with you anymore? I also spoke with Antoinette 232 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:15,700 Inge the gallery, curator and manager, who helped the 233 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:20,300 installation become a reality. Antoinette is an amazing artist 234 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:23,300 herself and will also speak about the terrariums. 235 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:31,700 She creates I Antoinette. Thank you for joining us. 236 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:33,800 You're welcome. I'm glad to be here. 237 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:38,400 So let's just jump right in as a theater Artist as a podcaster. 238 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,400 I'm Not really the first pick for a gallery, which one 239 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:49,000 normally think of as something that is a visual, sure dominant 240 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,600 place. So I was very grateful that you 241 00:15:51,608 --> 00:15:55,300 were open to a more immersive experience. 242 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:57,600 What that is? I think that's because the space 243 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,600 by its small size, it becomes a massive anyway. 244 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,600 So I think that when you described what you wanted to do, 245 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,200 it seemed to fit perfectly and I think it's worked out really 246 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,800 well. I was really happy when you 247 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,800 suggested it, I am really open to just seeing what it's what 248 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,500 the space is capable off. And I think hopefully to inspire 249 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:20,600 other people to see what they might want to come up with for 250 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,900 the space as well. They do think about sort of 251 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,700 communication, with whoever the audience is. 252 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:31,700 So I think that, that sort of relationship is something I 253 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:36,600 think about like, how will people interact with the space? 254 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:38,600 I think that's something that's important. 255 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Oughtn't and it all has to tell a story and feel connected and 256 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,300 have an experience. So speaking of which I would we 257 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:50,600 would love to hear about your experience visiting conversation 258 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,300 in a clearing. I was really sort of may be 259 00:16:54,300 --> 00:17:00,300 affected by how calming it was and just how it really did evoke 260 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:05,200 the sense of sort of a space where you could really just sit 261 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,599 and be with yourself with the trees. 262 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,599 And, and I think that just the different elements that you 263 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,500 used. I think you really managed to 264 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:19,099 pull that off completely. So I really was, I guess it 265 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:21,700 really sort of made me think about being in the woods and it 266 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:25,900 made me think about when you're in the woods and how your 267 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:30,200 perception changes and how when you're in the woods you start to 268 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,900 think outside of yourself. So although the space in it in 269 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:38,600 some ways the space sort of continue in word because your 270 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:42,200 Sort of it's this sort of relaxing space but at the same 271 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,200 time it made me think about that. 272 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,900 Sort of it sort of letting yourself go when you're in the 273 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:52,900 woods it's like you're your ego gets suppressed because you've 274 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:56,700 you're try to just be you know at one with everything around 275 00:17:56,700 --> 00:18:01,100 you and you're focusing on what is out there and not 276 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:02,900 necessarily, what's in your head? 277 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:05,100 Hopefully, if it's, you know, if it's a good experience, 278 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,700 sometimes you can go to the woods and you're just in your 279 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:10,200 head the whole time. But if You get out of that, then 280 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,800 that's when it I think it's really beneficial, you know? 281 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,300 And it made me think about the different elements. 282 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:19,100 You have like the magnet the way that you portrayed, the trees, 283 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:22,900 Just In This Very sort of simple form, but you got that sort of 284 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:26,500 sense of sort of space. So I do, I do lots of things 285 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:29,500 came up with me, but but I think there's sort of that idea of 286 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,000 what actually happens when you're in the woods, is really 287 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,200 something that I was thinking about, and how important that is 288 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,600 to me, what is sometimes so hard is too. 289 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,900 To let go of what's in our brains and what's around us. 290 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:44,700 And the idea of letting it fall away, which is exactly what 291 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:47,800 trees are doing with their leaves, is just letting it fall, 292 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,100 very naturally. It makes me think about that 293 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:55,500 this letting it fall away. It's like you're sort of in 294 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:57,300 nature. So you're just letting nature 295 00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:59,400 take, its course, right? Whereas when you're in the 296 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,100 modern world, there is no letting it fall away. 297 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,500 Everything is arranged, everything is organized. 298 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:08,900 There's a lot of structure and there is no sort of You know 299 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:13,100 that the organic is definitely sort of like a Side Story. 300 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:17,700 So when you're in the gallery space, you're letting that that 301 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:21,300 sort of structure of Modern Life, you can let that fall away 302 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:24,400 a bit. You are a busy human. 303 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:26,400 What are you working on Antoinette? 304 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,900 I have a show in Harvard Square in a few weeks, and so, I'm sort 305 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:34,900 of been making terrariums anyone at tell us about your terrariums 306 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:38,300 because they're really extraordinary and tell the name. 307 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:43,000 So, well, I started it was a it was doing luck town and I was 308 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,700 going to the woods and, you know, there's a lot of snow and 309 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:48,400 so the Moss was all hidden as it normally is. 310 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,900 And I thought maybe I can try to grow moss indoors and see what 311 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:56,200 that's like. So I tried it and it worked it 312 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,600 just I had a friend who said well you know if you make those 313 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,200 maybe I can sell them for you because they look great. 314 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:05,900 And so I started seeing what I could come up with and it just 315 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,600 sort of evolved into this whole thing. 316 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,300 And then I named it small glories because I was thinking 317 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:16,100 about his thinking about about idea of sort of the glory of 318 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:20,100 nature in its even it's even its smallest form. 319 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:23,400 I mean I'm not not really not a religious person. 320 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,500 So the word Glory does have a sort of religious feel to it but 321 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:34,000 it is a sort of it's definitely a spiritual thing to to see the, 322 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,800 you know, the incredible beauty and variety of nature at the 323 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,900 smallest size. Sighs. 324 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:41,400 And so it's not the big trees that I'm looking at. 325 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,500 It's like what's growing on the dead nurse log. 326 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:48,700 The, the like, and the different mushrooms are different sizes 327 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:52,600 and and the mass, of course. So so for me, it is about the 328 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,500 smallness. Because once you get up close, I 329 00:20:55,508 --> 00:20:58,100 don't know if you've seen, like, any of the macro photography, 330 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:01,200 where you go up, really close to like some slime mold or 331 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,600 something, they're incredible. I mean, the the variety of the 332 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,200 shapes it's just they're just So for me, it's that sort of the 333 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,100 sort of infinite beauty that there is in nature is really 334 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:19,800 where small glories comes from. And remembering that we are 335 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,900 nature, you know, that we shouldn't separate ourselves 336 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:27,400 from nature that we are inherently part of this whole 337 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,900 system and to separate ourselves office to do as self and 338 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:34,100 Injustice. For me, it really is about 339 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:38,500 helping people to connect to this other side of themselves. 340 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,200 How do people find work more about you? 341 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:45,500 Well, on Instagram, I'm small glories and then my website is 342 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:48,900 just smooth. Voice.com well on this podcast, 343 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:53,100 we talk a lot about stewardship and people who are stewards of 344 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:57,000 the land stewards of stories and I consider you a steward for 345 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 art. So thank you and Fernanda for 346 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:05,200 for allowing us to create this beautiful event and for all the 347 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,500 work you do for nature. Well, thank you so much. 348 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:13,100 Now I'm I was so happy that you did such a great job with this 349 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:16,000 space as wonderful. So yeah, you and Jonathan did 350 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 amazing, amazing work. Thanks so much. 351 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:28,400 We've received wonderful reactions to the installation 352 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,200 and wanted to share a few with you. 353 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,900 This is Jack Resort go. I'm so grateful for this 354 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:41,500 exhibit. I'm a huge, huge fan of winter 355 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:44,900 and the peace and Stillness of the quiet in the cold and the 356 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,700 snow. And, you know, being able to 357 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:52,400 find those warm cozy. Ee reflective moments during the 358 00:22:52,408 --> 00:22:56,400 season and finding the light and the warmth and in the dark and 359 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,400 the cold time of year and this exhibit was such a lovely chance 360 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:09,000 to sit and meditate and feel that sense of calm peaceful 361 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Repose while. You know, I'll sort of blending 362 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,900 this exterior and interior sense of space. 363 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:19,200 It was like bringing the coziness of a living room, right 364 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000 into the middle of Winter Forest. 365 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,400 It was beautiful. Thank you. 366 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:31,200 I walked in, and I immediately thought of winters as a child in 367 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:37,300 Canada and the ground is frozen. And that perfect, perfect smell 368 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:40,800 that you experience of ice crystals in the air. 369 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:45,400 And that crunch quiet of snow. So I was just like sitting there 370 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,800 on the floor. Looking at a light going through 371 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,700 the snow on the floor and the patterns and the knitted scarf 372 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:57,200 and Reading the words other people had put down in the books 373 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,300 and it was just perfect after my very, very chaotic day. 374 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:04,400 Thank you. We are so grateful for much 375 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,500 support with the installation build from, Jamie roach and 376 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,900 Cassandra mayor. And for the poster and cover art 377 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:14,800 by Mill Riot. And Sean Mackenzie also special, 378 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,200 thank you to Antoinette inch and to our left lawn for her 379 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,100 hospitality and the Western Avenue artist community. 380 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:26,100 For those of you in New England, I hope you are able to come. 381 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,800 See it in person and if not, I hope you have the opportunity to 382 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,800 experience wintering in your own way. 383 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,300 To visit the installation, please check our website tree 384 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:44,800 speech.com and show notes for Gallery hours and address the 385 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,100 Western Avenue Studios and Lofts have an event every month. 386 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:51,600 When the studios and galleries are open to the public the dates 387 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,900 and times for these upcoming Open Studios, when you can also 388 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:59,000 view a conversation in a clearing are from 12 noon to 5 389 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,800 p.m. on Saturdays, December 3rd, December 10th and three seventh. 390 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,200 You can also visit by appointment by writing to us at 391 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200 tree speech podcast at gmail.com. 392 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,000 Please consider supporting us through our patreon. 393 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:19,300 Every contribution supports our production and work and will be 394 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,600 giving gifts of gratitude to patrons of all levels. 395 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,700 Including the audio track, from our installation, a conversation 396 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,600 in a clearing. 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