1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,760 This episode of the Rocker Skating Podcast is brought to 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:07,520 you by John Wilson Blades. For more than 329 years, John 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,280 Wilson has been perfecting the art of blade making in 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,120 Sheffield, England. And while their history runs 5 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,600 deep, their eyes are always on the future. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,640 That's why they created The Revolution, the world's most 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,320 advanced figure skating blade. It is the perfect fusion of 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,920 centuries old craftsmanship and cutting edge technology, 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,960 delivering unmatched precision, responsiveness and performance. 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,880 That's why the majority of world and Olympic champions trust John 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,360 Wilson, because when history meets innovation, you get the 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:44,240 revolution. Welcome to the Rocker skating 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,480 podcast sponsored by John Wilson Blades. 14 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:55,920 This is a couple of things. One, it's our final, final recap 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:01,320 of the season. And two, if you are on video, 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,160 the one and only Michelle Ellis is also on video. 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,760 She exists. This is not just some AI person. 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,400 Hi. Hi, Michelle, How are you? 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,120 We missed you. We missed you in Prague. 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,040 Oh, I missed. I missed seeing all of you guys. 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,360 I don't know if I missed watching hours and hours and 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,080 hours of skating, but you know, I missed the party. 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:35,760 I had a fun time, I really did. It was I, I think, I think part 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:41,160 of it is really the competition itself was very much a 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,040 celebration for a lot of people. And you saw that in the 26 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,840 atmosphere, you saw that in the way people were skating. 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,360 It was a lot. It was, it was really, it was 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,640 really a a good time. I mean, I was marvelling at the 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:05,000 fact that for a fourth World Championships in a row we were 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,840 having gigantic crowds. Wow. 31 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,600 This was this was sold out. Wow, that's awesome. 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Yeah, Yeah. The whole thing was sold out. 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,680 I think that I think there was some stat that it was like 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:24,080 125,000 tickets were sold over the OR at least 100 a 125,000 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,800 seats were filled or something like that. 36 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,440 I got it. It was on the ISU WhatsApp 37 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,760 mailing list. They sent something about this. 38 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Yeah, 111,922 spectators across all sessions. 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 It's pretty good. Pretty amazing. 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Pretty amazing. I mean, it was, you know, Boston 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,320 is always going to be the standard in terms of like crowd 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,360 noise and like enthusiasm. But this crowd was great. 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,200 It was, it was supportive. It was an interesting mix. 44 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,560 It was certainly a bunch of figure skating fans, but also a 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:09,000 lot of people who were, you know, locals, Czech locals, you 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,000 know, Europe locals, right? And it was a, it was a different 47 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,760 crowd than it was in Milan. And, and the, the, the way that 48 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,760 the crowd was reacting to different things was also very 49 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,600 interesting. I mean, there, there was a point 50 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,200 when I was like, this crowd does not clap for twizzles. 51 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Like you know how you know, and usual, usual competitions is 52 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,280 like people do the twizzles and it all of a sudden is like, Oh 53 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,440 my God, they did it like it, like it, it was like it didn't 54 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:46,520 faze them. They were also very intense on 55 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,320 clapping along with the music. Doesn't matter what music it 56 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,400 was. Yeah, anything with like a, a, a 57 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,360 general beat, they will try to do it. 58 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,520 But the problem was they kept, they kept getting faster and 59 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,880 faster every single time. And so it so like they, they got 60 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,480 off sync within about 4-5 seconds. 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,480 It was very endearing, yeah. Especially with like music cuts, 62 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,000 you know, like the part you can clap to. 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Yeah, changes pretty quickly usually. 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,600 They were trying. They were really trying and they 65 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:27,080 were the the IT was Ashley Wagner and Tom Mushverner who 66 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,440 were the in arena hosts for the whole thing. 67 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,000 And every single time they really emphasized standing 68 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 ovations. I'm not sure what it was like 69 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,520 that that it was a thing that like at the beginning of every 70 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,720 session they were like, if you see something great, don't yeah, 71 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,120 don't be shy to stand up. Like they were really, really 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,080 intense on it. And and so that that there were 73 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,640 a lot of standing ovations. I think because of that, you 74 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,160 know, I think I do think that now that the ISU has done the in 75 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:14,040 arena hosting and the like entertainment value piece of 76 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,120 this for so many season or not so many, but so many 77 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,080 competitions. I guess now it's starting to 78 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,960 feel like it's resonating. And and you know, Ashley 79 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,200 obviously has done this a number of times and and there there was 80 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,760 a lot, there was a lot of it was it was, it was really good. 81 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,320 I I thought it was really well done. 82 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,000 So cool. Yeah, I'm still kind of. 83 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,560 Sad that I don't get to hear their interviews on the world 84 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,880 feed. I I wish that they would include 85 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,920 those. Maybe like do a split screen or 86 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,600 something. I don't. 87 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,520 Know I know I know I do wonder if they're going to try to do it 88 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,560 in the future but I mean, you know from NBC, they they do the 89 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,280 interviews while the the. Replays. 90 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Replays are happening and and they they they do it as quickly 91 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,160 as possible so that when the replays are stopped, they can go 92 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 back and it's ready, like it's kind of ready to go. 93 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,760 But I agree like it was it. It is interesting to see a lot 94 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,760 of the the different skater reactions, personalities and 95 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,360 such. And now, now they're expecting 96 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,160 it. Now they know. 97 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Like the first couple of times it was like. 98 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,800 What am? I going to what am I going to 99 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,640 say? And like they're already. 100 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,600 Yeah, like they want to do it, Yeah. 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Even even if they didn't know what to say, they will always 102 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,600 default to thank you to the crowd. 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,320 And it it helps reinforce the cycle of like the crowd 104 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,000 appreciate the skaters and the skaters appreciate the the 105 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,040 crowd. Like it was really fun. 106 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,480 I I maybe it's a little Stockholm syndrome of me, like 107 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,560 kind of like the 90s music for the rhythm dance, but I after 108 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,280 all this, I kind of like it. Yeah. 109 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:02,480 I kind of like it. You know, it's, it's become a 110 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,460 routine now. Mm. 111 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:07,680 Hmm. Yeah, Ashley's enthusiasm was 112 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,560 always contagious, so. Yeah, yeah, Ashley's. 113 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Ashley's gotten better and better at doing this and I and 114 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,040 and it it it's really, it's really great that she's the the 115 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,080 person that they they bring in. Mm Hmm. 116 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Yeah, there was. There was one hilarious instance 117 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,240 of Nikki Voorhies from. The oh I read about this. 118 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,320 Yeah, yeah. For some reason in the bio that 119 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,760 they had, it said that this was her debut at Worlds. 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,160 When she went to World in 2016. I think it's because that was so 121 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,360 long ago. The ISU bio doesn't have it on 122 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,560 the chart because it starts after that. 123 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,560 I think it's, I think it's like what I saw Ashley said that she 124 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,840 did. Is she just looking at the ISU 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,000 bio and like it's completely blank for World. 126 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,360 So yeah. Yeah, that one she. 127 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Assumed it was her debut. Yeah. 128 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,600 And so she was like, fair. Assumptions. 129 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Very, very fair. But Ashley was like, how, what 130 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,720 was it like to be on the, you know, at the your debut world? 131 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:12,160 And Nikki was like, well, I was at the world when you won the 132 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,960 silver medal. So we were competitors. 133 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,840 And Ashley was like, Oh no. That stuff is fun, though. 134 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,920 That's fun. It is. 135 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,800 Yeah, it was. Fun. 136 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,120 I I I thought, yeah, I thought a lot of those were really were 137 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,240 really good. The the the Czech ones 138 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,799 especially were like out of control. 139 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,360 So it was, it was great. All right, before we get into 140 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,680 the World Championships, we have some awards or what award I 141 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:49,360 guess because on the heels of the ISU awards, which we will 142 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,600 talk about, that happened yesterday. 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,400 As you all know, or maybe not know but many people know, the 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,720 Rocker Skating March Gladness costume of the season happened 145 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,160 over the past two weeks. Thank you to all of you who 146 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,160 voted, who put in nominations. I thought it was a really 147 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,240 phenomenal set of 64 costumes that you all got into the 148 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,840 brackets. I had people emailing me asking 149 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,760 me if next time we do this they can actually do their own 150 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,280 predictions for the brackets, which is what you do in March 151 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Madness in the US when you do college basketball. 152 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,800 So stay tuned for that. More fun and more, more games to 153 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,840 come with with with Rocker skating. 154 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:52,440 So it came down to the semi finals was Cowrie versus Alyssa 155 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,840 and Cowrie versus Amber and Cowrie. 156 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Both times got eliminated on a 53% to 47% vote. 157 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Wow. Yeah, your voters were 158 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,320 consistent. Apparently. 159 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,960 Apparently very consistent and I, I actually, I actually 160 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,280 checked, I, I, I did it such that I don't see the, the, the 161 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,280 people and what they voted for, but I can see the combinations 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,080 of people of, of, of the votes. And it wasn't like a straight 163 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,560 down. I'm just, I'm not, I'm not 164 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:33,480 voting for calorie or I am voting for calorie. 165 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,480 There was a lot of like differences, which is very 166 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,120 interesting. So so that it ended up being a 167 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Lisa McKinnon costume battle between Alyssa Lou's free skate 168 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,960 dress from the Olympics and Amber Glenn's short program 169 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,840 dress, which she's had all season and. 170 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,840 With the best illusion fabric ever done. 171 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,720 Yeah, I mean, it was very well done. 172 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,400 It ended up the the tally at the end of the two weeks of voting 173 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:18,320 was 150,000 plus votes that yeah, that went across the, you 174 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,240 know, 10 days of voting, which was very cool. 175 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,200 Very. Cool seats were filled at 176 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Worlds. Wow, there are a lot of repeat 177 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:36,840 customers on that one, but costume of the season for March 178 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:44,360 Gladness 202526 with a let me just get let me get this right 179 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:54,840 with a final total of 66% of the vote Amber Glenn's. 180 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,560 Whoa, let's. Go like like a prayer short 181 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,400 program costume that was the winner. 182 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Awesome. I mean, that costume was 183 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,880 unbelievable. I, I it, it absolutely was one 184 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,880 of the best costumes of the season and, and the fans 185 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,640 obviously liked it and it was it was great. 186 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:21,640 It was also one of the three final three of the ISU Awards 187 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Costume of the of the year, and it ended up being Ilya's free 188 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,200 skate costume that got the costume of the year there so. 189 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,680 No offense, but that's crazy. I mean no contest. 190 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,400 That's Amber's all the way. I. 191 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,960 I still I still like actually I I like both of Elias costume. 192 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,560 I really liked the original 1. I really like the original 1. 193 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,360 They're not necklaces, like, and perfectly matched illusion 194 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,000 fabric and just this incredible, like, mesh and just fishnet 195 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,600 material. I mean, yeah. 196 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,880 I mean, I I, yeah. Go Amber. 197 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,600 What does Amber win? Amber wins the recognition of 198 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,080 being the first one. She's the People's Choice. 199 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,000 The People's Choice Awards. Oh my God, is this the People's 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,600 Choice Awards? It might be, it might be, 201 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,920 although I I still honorary mention to Christina Carrera and 202 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,440 her perfume free dance dress, which I think was stunning and 203 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,560 had a little narrative of its own at Worlds this year, which I 204 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:29,000 guess we'll get into. But yeah, she had a beautiful, a 205 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,200 beautiful response to shedding a pedal during her program that it 206 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,400 was the price of beauty to get a costume deduction. 207 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,320 So. OK, Speaking of People's Choice 208 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Awards, now that world is over. Go to 209 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:51,360 live.ruckersgame.com/games/pots and what POTS stands for is 210 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,440 performance of the season. So we're going to have another 211 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:04,160 bracket style fan voted contest I guess of what the performance 212 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:10,280 of the season was for 20/25/26. I already have over 2500 213 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,680 nominations. I know, I literally just put it 214 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,280 up like I don't know what like 10 hours ago. 215 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,160 No, that's not true. 20 hours ago. 216 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:20,480 I don't know. I. 217 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Haven't even put mine in yet. Yeah. 218 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Yeah, I'm sure someone got it. That's that's fine. 219 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,400 I'm sure it's in there. Well, you it, it is important 220 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,600 that that people do vote because if, if or not vote nominate 221 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,560 because it is based on the number of nominations that go in 222 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,160 there. Can I do more than one? 223 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 You can do more than one, which is why there are so many I. 224 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Think you don't? Mine are. 225 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,320 So, so we will start the voting later this week. 226 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,880 I need to obviously tabulate all of the nominations, but it's 227 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,080 it's fun. I-11 thing to note, it is 228 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,680 performance. Note that the word performance 229 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,880 of the season, not program of the season, because what I want 230 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:18,880 you all to do and think about is how it was stated, where it was 231 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:24,240 skated, the significance of it, you know, the story behind it, 232 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,120 everything, right? Like the things that really made 233 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:34,160 us jump out of our seats and you know, really celebrate the 234 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,920 skaters and their performances. So it could be junior, it could 235 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,240 be senior, it could be domestic, international, be any 236 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,680 competition that has to be in the 202526 season. 237 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,600 So again, go to live.rockerskating.com/games 238 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,440 slash pots, pots. It is the pots. 239 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,800 It'll be fun. ISU awards. 240 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,880 It was interesting. It was my first gap. 241 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,800 It was it was my first banquet. Yeah, you went. 242 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,920 I know they, they've invited me for a couple of years and I'm, 243 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,080 I'm like, and they literally will invite me the, the week of 244 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,680 worlds and I'm like, I have flights that I booked already. 245 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:25,080 Actually, I can't change it. It was, it was, it was a, it was 246 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,720 a good time. They, they really, they, they do 247 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,400 a good job of celebrating the skaters and making sure they 248 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,840 have a good time. And the, the, the awards now I 249 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,240 will be very frank that the awards, when they first came out 250 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,240 a couple of years ago, I was sort of like, what is, what is 251 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,120 this weird gimmicky thing? And now that it's been around 252 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,640 for a couple of seasons, maybe again, it's Stockholm syndrome. 253 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,120 It feels like an institution now. 254 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 And you know, they've made tweaks to it. 255 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,640 They've changed the categories, they've changed the ways that 256 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 they've done, you know, all of the things, right? 257 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:06,240 So it, it, it feels, it feels like a nice celebration of, of 258 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,880 the work that the skaters and the choreographers and the 259 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,760 coaches and the costume designers and everything have 260 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,960 have, have done. I think they need a skater's 261 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,440 choice category where like. Only the skaters. 262 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,200 Wolf boat. Yeah, that'd be interesting. 263 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,280 I like that. Maybe I'll do that. 264 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Yeah, it's fun. All right, let's talk about 265 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,120 worlds. You know, you and I were going 266 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:41,920 on and on and on about how post Olympic worlds is weird and 267 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,280 strange things happens like post Olympic worlds and watch out, 268 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,080 things are going to be, you know, things might be a little 269 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,800 unexpected or a lot unexpected. And we've seen that before and, 270 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,200 you know, we didn't have that much of it. 271 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,800 No, no. I feel like the only place that 272 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,600 happened was like in the men's short program. 273 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Yeah. Otherwise it was not not that 274 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,960 crazy of a. It was not that crazy, but it 275 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,920 did come down to the third to last program for us to have a, 276 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:21,760 what adjective should I say, a doozy of a call to from the 277 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,120 technical panel. That was, yeah, that was, I 278 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:32,200 mean, wow, like. I literally, I literally sat 279 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,680 there being like, we are three programs away from finishing and 280 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,320 this happens. Yeah, I think, I think the event 281 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,840 was mostly defined by the lack of calls in other disciplines up 282 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,680 until that moment. And then it was like, this is 283 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,200 what you're coming after. Like not one queue for Nina 284 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Pinzrone anywhere but Lyla and Lewis lift they've been doing 285 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,000 all season Illegal. Yeah, yeah. 286 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Let's start there. Let's start with the ice dance 287 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,840 because we we can't not talk about the thing that everybody 288 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,280 was talking about at the very end of that competition. 289 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Well, so this season I feel like has really been marked dance, 290 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,040 like judging, calling wise in by its unpredictability. 291 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,000 And everyone's been really frustrated by it because you 292 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,640 have skaters that have been competing and have no issues. 293 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,720 And then we'll show up at an event and then get a weird call. 294 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,160 And it's happened to a lot of people. 295 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,360 I mean, people at the top and it's been interesting. 296 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,880 And then this is one thing that is Lila and Louis have this 297 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,640 stationary lift, rotational lift combo with opening their 298 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,360 freelance where Louis lifts Lila above his head, but he his arms 299 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,120 are out to the side. So so as though like he can't 300 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,320 straighten them like she's up, but they're like they're like 301 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,240 wide. So he's got a bend in his elbow. 302 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,960 It's not straight arms. So it's legal and all season, no 303 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,600 problem, no problem, no problem. They do it at worlds. 304 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,920 It's called an illegal element. They lose the variation from 305 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,800 that position. So they get a 2 point deduction 306 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:07,280 and a loss of level on that lift and I think it cost them four 307 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,560 points. Mark said they were coming in at 308 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,400 1:27 when they left the ice. So, so there were two things 309 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,520 that happened. It wasn't just that, it was the, 310 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,520 so the, the lift, the lift level cost them probably a half a 311 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,680 point to like maybe it's .75 or something like that because I 312 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,800 think it came in at 15 and we ended up at 14 point something 313 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,720 and and then there was a 2 point deduction. 314 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,960 When I was looking at the original numbers, they were at 315 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:51,760 high 120 sevens and so, so the lift cost them about yeah, 316 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,760 exactly. They they if had that original 317 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,200 set of numbers stood, it would have been second. 318 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,640 But the thing was, and I've I saw this one real time. 319 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,800 I did not see the lift real time, but in the twizzles, 320 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,560 Lewis's leg on the first set of twizzles did not go high enough 321 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,000 as he was swinging up and down on the straight leg. 322 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,200 And you have to be, in order to get the feature on it, you have 323 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,600 to have your leg has to be at a certain level. 324 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,440 And I think it's it, it, it's got to be some number of 325 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,000 degrees. And, and I knew they were going 326 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,720 to review that and they did. And then I think there was also 327 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,400 a he also did a a a switcheroo of edges on one of his twizzles. 328 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Maybe it's it was the the the the right for it outside? 329 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,240 Yeah. And, and we were talking about 330 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,240 how Lila's twizzles have been the liability. 331 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Hers was fine. Hers was the best that she's 332 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:58,480 done in in in a long time. Well, I'd say this calendar 333 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,800 year. Yeah, yeah, yeah it. 334 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Was a little bit like very much like I'm going to get through 335 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,360 this, but. She did it. 336 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,520 But she got through it, yeah. She got through it, but Lewis's 337 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:13,240 twizzles went down to levels and that was another point and 1/2. 338 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:20,080 So all said that was the four points, 4/4 to 4 1/2 points that 339 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,680 that they lost on, on those two things in the mixed zone. 340 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Afterwards, Lewis Lila was like, Oh yes, I, we are, we, we 341 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,120 talked, we talked to the, the, the panel and they said it was 342 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:42,040 the arms. And Lewis literally right right 343 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,640 after said, that's impossible. I can't, I can't straighten my 344 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600 arms. And what was interesting was I, 345 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,640 I watched the old, the old versions of it in the other 346 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080 competitions versus the new version of it. 347 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,360 And there was a point in this one where it looked like right 348 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,120 when he was getting her up, he went a little bit too far. 349 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:12,800 And like, instead of it lifting like this, it lifted like that, 350 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,320 you know, and, and it locked, it locked for a split second. 351 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,680 And I think that's what they called. 352 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,200 And, and what was also part of this whole thing that you 353 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,920 shouldn't see on on the screen, right, was that the, the levels 354 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,600 were going up and down and up and down because the, the three 355 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,520 people on the technical panel didn't agree. 356 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,960 And so they had to basically it was a, it was a vote of two to 357 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,640 one right, of whether or not to call these things. 358 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:53,600 And originally that stationary lift was called a level 1 and 359 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,160 then it went back up to a Level 3. 360 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,840 So the, the votes were what they were. 361 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,160 And that's, that's, that's how it all ended up. 362 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:09,720 And and then the two point for for the for the illegal element 363 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760 of the straight arms. Yeah, yeah. 364 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,640 And as a result, they finished fourth, 4th, 5th in the 365 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,480 freelance and 4th overall. And we're very unhappy about it. 366 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,920 I mean, the thing with the arm, like on one hand, yes, they've 367 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,440 been taking that risk all season and they were always at the 368 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,480 mercy of the panel to say his arms, not his arms, not bent 369 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,920 illegal. But I, I, I'm didn't bring my 370 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,480 computer with me. I was in LA this weekend. 371 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,640 So I chose to watch this live on a giant big screen TV and not 372 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,800 have my phone. So I was just watching it and I 373 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560 didn't notice that when it happened. 374 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,360 And then I noticed Lila posted a video to her story of like an 375 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,440 Instagram her of a fan video of her that left from the other 376 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,320 side of the rink. And then so I watched it very 377 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,040 closely, like having known this happened, and it didn't look 378 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,360 like he really straightened it to me. 379 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,120 I mean, maybe in the angle the judges had, it looked like he 380 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,720 locked it. But it he's got his leave on, 381 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 you know, it's like. I know, I know, I think. 382 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,560 You need to be sure before you. I don't know. 383 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,000 I know, I know. It's it, like you said, they 384 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080 happened. It's it's, it's right on the 385 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,400 edge. They're playing with fire, 386 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:30,720 right, Like, and and it's, it's not like they haven't been told 387 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,560 that this there's a risk in doing that lift. 388 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:45,520 So you know, it. I, I, I just, it's one of those 389 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,920 things where it just feels disingenuous for the the nickel 390 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:58,160 ending and diming to happen right at the one of the biggest 391 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,840 competitions of the season. And they're like punishing 392 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,560 innovation, you know, like the rules are what they are so 393 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320 people can push the boundaries and do unique things. 394 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:12,120 And it's like, not to bring up gymnastics again, but we had 395 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,960 something like this happen in Paris with Sabrina Voina. 396 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,080 I don't know how to say her last name. 397 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,240 I don't remember how to say it. I did at the time we were 398 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,760 producing it, putting on the on TV. 399 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,480 But she had, you're not allowed to put your foot on the floor 400 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520 exercise outside of the line. And she had a piece of 401 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 choreography where she put her toe in the corner and swung her 402 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,480 heel around the outside. Didn't touch, but someone saw it 403 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,600 and called it as a step out of bounds, but it wasn't. 404 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,680 And then she didn't properly appeal it. 405 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,520 And then because it wasn't properly appealed, she kept that 406 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,240 deduction. And then she never got a medal. 407 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,760 And it's like she's being creative artistically and you're 408 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 being excessively punitive because of something you didn't 409 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,520 see correctly. You know, it's just sort of like 410 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840 where, how, how much are we going to enforce these little 411 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,880 boundaries? Like how strict are we going to 412 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,160 be? There were some angles where you 413 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,680 can you thought you you could see her foots, like actually 414 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,160 touch the floor outside. I well, when you had the, the, 415 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,680 the, the NBC camera, like it was right behind her when we did it, 416 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,280 we had the view of it like she did not touch outside. 417 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280 It's like she didn't. It may be the shadow of her foot 418 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040 did, but her foot didn't. Yeah, I. 419 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,600 Anyway, it's like. Yeah. 420 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,160 That was a big it's like we ended with the scandal at the 421 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,920 end and then the British Skating Federation filed like a protest 422 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,720 and the ISU was immediately like lol, no. 423 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 So yeah, anyway. That didn't happen. 424 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,160 So yeah, yeah. So that's what we ended up with. 425 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,480 I I was so busy trying to figure out what happened that I didn't 426 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,480 even watch the last two. And I still haven't yet, because 427 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,480 I am. So. 428 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,640 I am so skating skating out that I have not even tried. 429 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,080 I did what I heard and I I'd be interested to hear what what 430 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,640 your thoughts were. What I heard was that Wuthering 431 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,400 Heights was good, but not great like there was, there was, it 432 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,760 felt like a program that that needed time because obviously 433 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,360 they just brought it back to two to three weeks ago and, and they 434 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,560 it needed more time and, and that Forney Beaudry and 435 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Cicerone's free dance was much better than it was at the 436 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Olympics. Oh yeah, so Piper and Paul bring 437 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,720 back Wuthering Heights. I mean, I I love seeing it 438 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,920 again. And there's some cool highlight 439 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,040 mode, especially like the the double cantilever they do is so 440 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000 cool, but it really needed more time in the oven. 441 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Like I think these programs are hard. 442 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,880 And when you haven't had the reps with it, it just you could 443 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640 kind of see it once they went out to perform it that. 444 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,080 Yeah. And I honestly, I feel like they 445 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,600 got kind of lucky with Lila and Louis having the issues that 446 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600 they did because they left some points on the table. 447 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,400 I think Piper and Paul did it in just, you know, just taking that 448 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,200 that kind of a risk. But I mean, it worked. 449 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,720 It was great to see the program again. 450 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,520 I very much enjoyed it. Yeah, forget them to get there, 451 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,200 I think. Was it their fifth world medal? 452 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,760 It was great. Laurence and Guillaume were 453 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200 unbelievable. I mean, I've talked to you a lot 454 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960 about how I feel like in Milan, when I was watching, they didn't 455 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,560 compete as well as they practiced. 456 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,120 I really felt like they were competing stronger here. 457 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,440 I really felt like Yelm especially was really pushing it 458 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080 to the edge. I mean, it's like watching it. 459 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:46,240 Unbelievable how like how technically strong they are and 460 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,560 the like the depth of the edges they can hit and the way they 461 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,280 can hold and the, the, the length of time they hold them 462 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,120 and just the, the cleanliness. It was, it was like 463 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,200 overwhelmingly great. It was so sensational. 464 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,760 I mean, that's like, that's like how they were practicing when I 465 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,960 was, you know, watching them in Milan. 466 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,080 And it was just kind of like no one's in the same building as 467 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,560 this. No one's no one's competing with 468 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,920 this. And then because when they 469 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,400 competed it, they didn't compete it the way they were practicing 470 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,720 it. It's like sort of like made you 471 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,640 doubt, you know, but this was just like out of this world. 472 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,360 It was it was awesome. And, you know, before this 473 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,240 competition, they had a lot of questions about will they 474 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,560 continue? What's their plan? 475 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,600 And they were very like, oh, we have to talk about it. 476 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 We don't know. I'm going to be very upset if 477 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,400 they don't do another season at least. 478 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,520 Like it's it's, it's unbelievable to watch. 479 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,680 I mean, no one is doing it at that level. 480 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800 It's just it's yeah, it's incredible. 481 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000 And I also thought the rhythm dance was was great, too. 482 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,480 That was. That's at least the one that I, 483 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,560 I watched and it was, it really was a lot better than what they 484 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680 did at the Olympics. I I both of the programs at the 485 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Olympics were not anywhere near as good as the one that they did 486 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,040 here. Well, I woke up and I saw 92 487 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,840 because I, I did not wake up early enough to see it. 488 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,840 I woke up and I saw 92 and I was like, Oh my God, come on. 489 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,160 And then I watched it. I was like 92 wasn't enough. 490 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,600 They could have gotten more. Oh God, it was so good. 491 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,160 I, I feel like I because they're so new and they haven't competed 492 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,160 that consistently throughout the season. 493 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,440 I don't like have it in my brain that they're as good as they 494 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,200 are. And then every time I see them, 495 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080 I'm just like, Oh my God, like, whoa. 496 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,280 So. Yeah, yeah. 497 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,720 And, and Piper and Paul's supermodel was not as strong as 498 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,160 it was at the Olympics either. So I was a little bit a little 499 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,560 bit messy in in some spots. I wouldn't say it is was as good 500 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,360 as it was in the individual event at the. 501 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840 End of the individual event, Yeah, yeah, the team, The team 502 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,160 event was. Yeah, as far as the rest of the 503 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200 season has gone for them, I thought it was a pretty strong 504 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,160 effort. Yeah, yeah. 505 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360 Which is also crazy because in the at the Olympics, in the 506 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,920 individual event, his costume came off right at the end and 507 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,640 she caught it, which was like, like the, the, the number of 508 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,720 things that had to have happened for that to happen. 509 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800 Incredible reflexes. Yes, absolutely. 510 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:27,160 Well, Emily Azingis and Vadim Kolesnik get the bronze in their 511 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,800 debut at. Worlds unbelievable. 512 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,480 I mean, to be fair, it's not like they haven't been. 513 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120 I mean, they haven't been to the world just because US Figure 514 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Skating's dance field is so deep. 515 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,360 But still, that's like crazy. And I also would like to point 516 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,200 out that we both predicted it. So it was weird because when 517 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,800 after the rhythm dance, when they were in fourth, I was like, 518 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,560 oh, well, if Lila messes up her twizzles again, they're going to 519 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,520 get the bronze medal. And then she didn't, and they 520 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,960 still did. So that. 521 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:07,840 I mean, no, a lot nobody in that arena understood the score for 522 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,400 Lila and Lewis for very real reasons. 523 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,440 And and thus I was going through every single, going down every 524 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,320 single rabbit hole I could possibly go into and figuring 525 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,400 out what was going on before I before they even was able to get 526 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,880 us any kind of explanation. Yeah, you were texting me lots 527 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360 of excerpts for the rules, and I was trying to look stuff up on 528 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,360 my phone and I was like, you know what, He's got it. 529 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,240 I'm just gonna watch. I like there was one point when 530 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,600 I was texting with Michelle and I was like this is my final 531 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,400 thesis and I am leaving. Yeah, like I. 532 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,480 Cannot do any more of this. Well, the thing that I didn't 533 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,760 realize is that for so for an extended lift, you get that 534 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,120 carrot that shows up on the protocol for an illegal element. 535 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,920 There's nothing. You just get a legal element at 536 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,760 the bottom. And I thought for sure there 537 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,800 would be something like at least an asterisk, something the way 538 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,199 they do in jumps like to show like what you know, has the but 539 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,760 nothing, nothing. And so then I was like, was it 540 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,440 something else they did that got caught? 541 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,920 But. Yeah, that was that was the 542 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,760 confusion in the moment of of was it like, was it something 543 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,719 that was choreographical that they did that was that was 544 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,600 illegal because that that was what happened with Zingis 545 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,679 Kolesnik at the Grand Prix Final. 546 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,159 I was. Thinking of them with her Axel. 547 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,400 With her with her assisted Axel. Yeah. 548 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040 And they were like, no, you can't do that. 549 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,440 And so they had, they ended up having to change it. 550 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:46,199 So, yeah, so so they are only the third ice dance team ever to 551 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,440 meddle in their very first worlds. 552 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,120 Wow, Fournier, Boudre and Cicerone ends up or Fournier, 553 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,440 Boudre and Cicerone end up becoming the fourth wow to to to 554 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,240 meddle in their first World Championships. 555 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,640 Who are the 1st 2? I feel like I should know and I 556 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,960 don't the. Ships was one of them. 557 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,040 The ships was one of. Them. 558 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,640 Of course he is, yes. And then I don't know the other 559 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,000 one. No idea. 560 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,600 I did. I did. 561 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,440 I was on the same flight as Amelia and Vadim on the way to 562 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,920 Amsterdam, and they were like, they were like, yeah, we're 563 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,720 tired. Yeah, I mean they did 4 564 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,320 continents too. They did national 4 continents 565 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560 that they were there for the whole Olympics and and then 566 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,040 worlds. I mean, yeah. 567 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,760 It's been, it's been, it has been a long season for them. 568 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,040 And I mean, what a what a breakout season. 569 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,040 And and it would be interesting to see what that what the next 570 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,800 four years looks like for them. Like is this one of those where 571 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,440 they get the bronze medal this year and it's sustained or that 572 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,760 something else happened? Who knows? 573 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,760 Ice dance has been weird. Yeah, I hope that Vadim can stay 574 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,600 healthy because they really attributed their improved like 575 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,120 performances this season to the number of increased run throughs 576 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,320 they were able to do because he had surgery on his hips. 577 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160 Was it the hips he had? He had two different procedures. 578 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,320 I think he had a hip issue and then he had a hernia issue. 579 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,680 But he had those like treated medically at the end of last 580 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,520 season and that like allowed him to start training more run 581 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,480 throughs and and more consistency. 582 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,600 And I think that I mean, it's obviously really translated into 583 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,880 their competitive performances. But I hope that he is able to 584 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,640 maintain that in a healthy way to continue their trajectory. 585 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,960 Yeah, exactly. Some of the big highlights, 586 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,560 Smart and Deeks, like they just, they just keep doing that Dune 587 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,680 free dance and they, yeah, they really left it all out there. 588 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,920 I, I, you know, I think the, the only thing was like their, their 589 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,520 step sequence was a level 2 and a level 1, but like everything 590 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,800 else was so well done. And no exclamation point. 591 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,920 Second moment, no exclamation point on the character's. 592 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,760 No, no exclamation points given. So thank you to the panel for 593 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,800 that. I. 594 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840 I maybe in the minority they were. 595 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,200 Actually very actually sorry. They were actually very close to 596 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,600 1 exclamation point. I remember seeing it so. 597 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,280 But they didn't give it to them. They didn't. 598 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,240 Give it to them. No, it was. 599 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,360 It was Becker, Becker, Hernandez's. 600 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,800 I would not mind, I would not complain. 601 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,680 I wouldn't have anything negative to say about June 3. 602 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,160 I would be so interested if Spartan Deke decide to continue 603 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080 competitively skating. Oh, I think they are. 604 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,520 You think they are OK? Yeah, Yeah, I think so. 605 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,240 I have no idea. Like I, I, you, just, you never, 606 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,840 you never know with all these teams. 607 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,480 Right, Olivia on her podcast makes it sound like they are 608 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,920 definitely planning their free dance for next season. 609 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,240 So that's like they're at least, I assume least doing another 610 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,400 year. Interesting. 611 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:11,240 Don't leave us. I know they did say on on the on 612 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:16,120 my on the rewatch of June 2 that June 3 doesn't come out until 613 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,000 December 2026, so it's it wouldn't be next year that they 614 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,720 do June 3. Well, what if the music comes 615 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,760 out earlier? I mean, there's new, there's 616 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,760 new, there's some new music. I saw Olivia posting about it. 617 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,000 I mean, maybe they can get an advance copy. 618 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,360 I know it's like Zendaya. Can you please give us an 619 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,240 advance copy? I mean, Zendaya, she, she hooks 620 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,840 people up. She, she got Robert Pattinson a 621 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,000 role in the new Dune movie and she hung out with Alyssa at 622 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,360 Paris Fashion Week. So, you know, you never know. 623 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,640 I would I would be very interested in what June 3 would 624 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,800 look like because if you by the way, folks listening, if you 625 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,480 have not watched the Olivia Smart and Tim D commentate on 626 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,000 their own June 1 and June 2, you should go and do that. 627 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,720 It is on my YouTube channel at Rocker skating because you 628 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,400 really start start to understand the decisions that they made 629 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,800 from Part 1 to Part 2. The the connections of the 630 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,160 different elements. Like the for example, the lifts 631 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,200 at the beginning in Dune in Part 2 is a derivative and a much 632 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,960 more difficult derivative of something they did in Dune Part 633 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,840 1. The curve lifts, curve lift 634 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,560 combo in Dune Part 2 as another derivative of what they did in 635 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,040 Part 1, but also a much harder version of it. 636 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,400 So there was some things that they they they talked about in 637 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,920 in the two programs that really like made me watch this with a 638 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920 very different understanding of what they did. 639 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,480 And trust me, I will do more of these re watches because they 640 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,240 have been so illuminating as to like what we're watching. 641 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,160 That that I, I, yeah, I think it's, I think it's very cool. 642 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,560 But yes. Dune Dune Part 2 gets a gets a 643 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,720 personal best for them. And A and a small medal. 644 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,000 And a small medal. Next year they'll get the the 645 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,160 gold small medal in the world's free dance. 646 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,520 Hopefully they get like a real world's medal at some point, 647 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,920 but. I know, I know. 648 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,800 What else? What else for from from this? 649 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,000 There were so many good programs. 650 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,160 Yeah, great skate from Carrera Panamarenko. 651 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,360 Really, really good. Yeah, just. 652 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840 Yeah, they tell that story so well. 653 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,880 Yeah, I, I don't know what kind of dark, twisted nightmare 654 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,320 they're going to find to skate to next year, but I I love it. 655 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,640 I want more of it from them. Yeah, yeah. 656 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,520 Anthony. Program idea. 657 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,400 Anthony was telling me it at the banquet that they already have 658 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,120 free dance like things. Wow. 659 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:21,680 Boiling in, bubbling in in there in their decision making and 660 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,520 Anthony was like one of those ideas is something that I have 661 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,240 been wanting to do for years. So I'm, I'm excited to see if 662 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,440 like that, that ends up being the thing that they do next 663 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,440 season. I'm happy for them, but I also 664 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,760 think that's interesting that he didn't propose it in the Olympic 665 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,200 season. Well, they he probably did, 666 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,800 right? And yeah, who knows? 667 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,200 Who knows? I was driving today and I was 668 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,240 listening to shuffle and like Apple Music and a Placebo song 669 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,920 came on and I was like Cruel Intentions has the best 670 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,280 soundtrack. Someone should do a Cruel 671 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,000 Intentions free dance. Lila and Lewis. 672 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,640 Lila and Lewis can do it. They can do the 90s, clothes, 673 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,680 the music. Like if there's anybody who does 674 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,640 a Cruel Intentions free dance. Yeah, yeah. 675 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,960 Yeah, some some really some other really good, good skates. 676 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,720 Davis and smoking continues to impress me with the way that 677 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,560 they've improved that free dance is still it's such a beautiful 678 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:35,040 piece of work that they've done and I appreciate it because it's 679 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,720 the composition of it is unusual. 680 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,120 The the way that the elements are strung together is different 681 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,800 than a lot of the other programs and they really do try to create 682 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,800 something that's theirs and that's different and, and I love 683 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,040 the improvements that they've made I. 684 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,440 Don't I? Don't even remember the rest of 685 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,720 these. Lajoie Laga had a very nice 686 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:05,000 performance of their White Crow Free Dance and we're once again 687 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,720 dumped. And I'm wondering what the 688 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,480 message is, you know, because last year they also similarly 689 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,200 skated relatively well and then got a pretty underwhelming free 690 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,880 dance score. And I wonder, I wonder what, you 691 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,000 know, I think, I definitely think there's some moments in 692 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,400 their programs where I think they could have a little more 693 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,560 finish or Polish. But I mean, on the whole, I 694 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,280 think that they are very consistent performers and they 695 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,560 just, it's a beautiful program. And, you know, I'm kind of 696 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000 mystified by the way they've been received. 697 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,040 And yeah, I don't know what you do next after that. 698 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,240 I don't know what it is, but I am really sick of hearing white 699 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,240 crow. And it it like, it hasn't really 700 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:02,400 been used that much, but I the repetitiveness of white white 701 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,960 crow is it, it gets to my brain and I, I've turned it off. 702 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,400 Like, I don't know, it's it just, it just it. 703 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640 Yeah. When, when, when Misha Koyeda 704 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,600 did it, it was like, Oh my God, this is beautiful. 705 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,920 It's such a like a haunting piece of music or whatever. 706 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,960 It's, it's, it's, it's a beautiful piece of music. 707 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,640 And then and then a whole bunch of people started doing it over 708 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,920 the past few seasons. And then it's like, yeah, I 709 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,520 can't listen to this anymore. I felt like when Lajwala did 710 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,160 Lajwala did it the first time, it was really still really 711 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400 special. And I definitely felt this 712 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,200 season it doesn't feel as special. 713 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,760 Like their interpretation in their performance is beautiful 714 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,200 but it doesn't have the like emotional impact when I see it 715 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,120 that it did the first season. They did it like 3 years ago. 716 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,240 But still I'm not happy with their score. 717 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,880 Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. 718 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,840 I don't know what the the deal is with them. 719 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,280 Yeah, the other one I wanted to talk about was actually Reid and 720 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,560 Amber Levichus. I don't know if you noticed, and 721 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,080 I barely noticed, but I was, I kept being like disoriented 722 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,480 during that freelance. But apparently right at the 723 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:17,240 start, they came out of the a lift in the wrong direction and 724 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:22,080 they skated the program completely 180°, turned around 725 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,280 and then had to talk to each other during the program to 726 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,480 figure out when they go back to the right direction so that they 727 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,880 end it on the end in the right direction. 728 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,560 Because that last piece of the, the program, the, the character 729 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:47,040 step starts with them grabbing the crowd and then they go to 730 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,400 the judges and, and, and finish that character step. 731 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,320 And so it would have been really weird for them to be at the 732 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,000 judge's side. And like, like the crowd isn't 733 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,080 over there. Like there's like a whole 734 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,720 section behind the judges where you, there's nobody sitting 735 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,160 there. So it doesn't make any sense. 736 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,360 And and so so that was, you know, talk about ice dance 737 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,360 communications. Yeah, in in mid program. 738 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,760 That was something that they they, they, they were doing. 739 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,640 It was very interesting. But that it was. 740 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,480 I talked to Allison afterwards. She was like, yeah, I don't even 741 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,280 know what happened, but we had to figure it out in. 742 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,560 The program, well, I mean that, yeah, that's usually when you 743 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,760 start making mistakes is when you have to talk to your partner 744 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,040 and they handled it really well. They they had a really good 745 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,600 skate, I mean. Yeah, I think, I think it helped 746 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,680 that they decided they weren't going to turn the program around 747 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,440 until the end until they did all their stuff because they're the 748 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,880 where I noticed it was on their twizzles. 749 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,840 Because I've always seen the program with the twizzles going 750 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,560 to the left side of the judges and the the twizzles were going 751 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,440 to the right side of the judges. And I was like, like, yeah, 752 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,520 there's something weird going on here. 753 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,080 I don't know what it. Is there's something weird and 754 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,160 and so it it wasn't until they went back in the middle and they 755 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,440 did the the choreographic spin like that, that little like that 756 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,480 little like back crossover spin move that they do with each 757 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,520 other. It's a synchro pinwheel. 758 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:23,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. 759 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,520 How you start it? Yeah. 760 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,200 Yeah, they'd start. Anybody else to join right? 761 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,440 Yeah, it it that was when I think they made the they they. 762 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,120 Made the switch, that was a good time. 763 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,200 Right. Exactly because you're, you're 764 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400 in the middle, right? And all you have to do is move 765 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,880 to the the the the correct direction as it goes to the 766 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,640 wrong direction. Yeah. 767 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,840 What an event. And fortunately, France has 768 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,600 three spots for next year, so yeah. 769 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,680 I know. Yeah, this should have happened 770 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,840 last season. Mm hmm say that much. 771 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:03,680 So France gets 3 spots, Canada gets 3 spots and the US gets 3 772 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:09,600 spots and then the two spots go to Great Britain, Spain, 773 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:17,800 Lithuania, Georgia and Czech Republic, Czechia, Czechia. 774 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,680 I don't know why I said Czech Republic considering I heard 775 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,400 Czechia all all week long and then that's that's what I should 776 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,240 be calling it. Wait. 777 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,560 What's the total for for two because they. 778 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,440 Have 28, it's 11 plus, right? 11 + 16. 779 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:39,600 Yeah, they got 2027. No, they got 29. 780 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:46,560 No 2027 because you you Max out at 16 placement points if you 781 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,440 qualify for the for the. Free, right? 782 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,760 You're right. Yeah, OK, good. 783 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,840 Phew. I know I was incredibly sad 784 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,720 about Turkula Versoice withdrawing. 785 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,600 That was. Just like awful. 786 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,080 And now Finland only has one spot for Worlds next year. 787 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,440 For their for home worlds, yeah. Yeah. 788 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,680 I mean, it's a question of like Matthias Versoice has been 789 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,920 falling apart, like his body has not cooperated with him. 790 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520 Yeah, all season. I mean the nerve damage thing 791 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,640 and now or the nerve, whatever thing that he was dealing with 792 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,280 in. Nerve injury. 793 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:25,600 And, and now his back is like a apparently a, an old injury that 794 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,040 has flared up. And he was skating with it and 795 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,240 the rhythm dance they were, they had, they were make, they were 796 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,280 trying to make the decision of whether or not they were going 797 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,280 to skate and, and they ended up doing it. 798 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,640 But yeah, it's it's tough to watch because they're such a 799 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,160 good team. Yeah, yeah. 800 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,680 So yeah, they're down to one spot. 801 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,520 Aye. All right. 802 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,280 Well, that was part one of two of the World Championships recap 803 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,480 for Michelle Ellis. This is Jackie Wong, chief skate 804 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,320 nerd of rockerskating.com. Thanks, as always, to John 805 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,000 Wilson Blades for sponsorship and to Terra Nichols for editing 806 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,040 and producing us. We will talk to you again with 807 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,000 Part 2 tomorrow. Bye.