Well, welcome to the Rocker Skating podcast.
We have a Spanish duo today on our interview, Tim Deke, Olivia
Smart. Hi, how are you?
Hola? Hola What what like Olympics?
You're all done with the Olympics and you're you're
getting ready for worlds. How was the Olympics?
That's hard to describe in in a short sentence, but it was an
absolute amazing, amazing time. And I will never forget that
time. It was absolutely different than
four years ago. And sharing those moments
together with my partner Olivia was amazing.
Like that's literally all I can say.
Like there was not one moment which I was like, you know,
there was 24/7 stuff going on and we enjoyed it a lot.
I think online our on our social media platform you could tell
that as far as we enjoyed it a lot.
I mean, it's so crazy, right? You, you both were in Beijing
four years ago. Obviously nobody was there
except for the athletes and like me and 100 journalists or
whatever it was, how many ever journalists there were.
It was, it was kind of crazy how different those 2 Olympic
experiences were. Olivia, what about you?
Like what? How was there are obviously
other things that happen. Congratulations on your
engagement. Thank you.
But how was your second Olympic experience?
I used the word kind of like Tim said, but in a brief like one
word. It's memorable, everything down
to the opening ceremony of the Olympics and that experience of
carrying the flag for Spain, then the competition going as
well as it did for Tim and I and having 2 great Olympic skates.
And that's what every athlete dreams of, is like performing at
their best at the Olympic Games. So when you actually do that,
you're like, Oh yes, so we did that.
We had that moment on the ice together at the Olympics with
our families in the stands and the crowd and like, we got to
like see them like while we were on the ice and wave up to them.
And then the the celebrations continued for the both of us,
but for myself especially because I got engaged.
So my whole Olympic experience, I left and I was like, what did
I do to deserve all of this? What did I do?
Because I feel like the luckiest girl on earth right now.
And everything down to like the Olympic competition, to getting
engaged, having experience with Tim at the games, my family at
the games and now John Luke, my fiance.
It was incredible. And there's like, you know, the
post Olympic depression that they say is a thing.
I don't know whether it was because we like lived so
presently in the moment. And just like I know we didn't
take anything for granted when we were there.
Weirdly, I don't know about you, Tim, but myself, I haven't had
that like crash or that down yet.
And I'm fingers crossed in touch wood.
I don't think I will because I feel like I've grown from this
Olympic experience and it's changed me in so many ways for
the better that I'm like not looking in the past and missing
it. I'm like using it moving
forward. Yeah.
I'm just super grateful to have experienced an Olympics that's
like a proper Olympics four years ago.
It was incredible. I had the best time four years
ago. Like my Olympics four years ago
was 2 great skates as well. And it was the moment John, Luke
and I like kind of started. So I had a great Olympics.
What a quad, What a? Quad Four years later, who would
have thought I would have got better?
So yeah, we're really lucky and it sparked and light in the both
of us that we didn't even think was there.
So we're super grateful and our families as well.
They're like, wow, that was amazing.
I mean, both of you were there with your partners and your
partners. And so that experience has to
have been incredibly good. I mean, Tim, you went a little
viral, too. Both of you went viral at the
Olympics. Tim, talk about your matador
outfit. Well, I had this I'm how to say
like I had this idea a little of the Olympics, OK, Like I want to
for some reason, some art came to my mind in the evening.
OK, I want to have some outfit for just our gear and I want to
I want to do some something crazy.
And then originally I had the plan to do it to win it for our
for our Spanish singer skater for Tommy, because he was
getting to the minions and for for Spain as well.
And I was like, that could be an option.
But then we competed the day after.
So I was like, no, I'm not going to go and watch in the this
thing. I'm not going to do that.
I need to focus like come on. But then of course my girlfriend
was also there and as getting to the music, the white bull, yeah,
made a lot of sense. And yeah, I told her before
about that outfit. I didn't told her that I'm going
to wear it though. And she also actually didn't see
me in the stands, which was funny as well, but just.
Probably a good, maybe a good thing distraction.
Actually maybe a good thing, but yeah, it was more like for fun,
but also to to really show my full, full support, which I'm
therefore I was sharing this experience with her and at the
time after my competition to really support her with the
nerves going into her individual event, of course.
And yeah, spend a lot of time together, which we unfortunately
usually don't do because we had no long distance relationship,
right. And so it made it even more
special to share this Olympic experience also with her.
It was just, yeah, again, I used the word amazing, very unique
experience. Like not only the Olympics, but
sharing it with your partner and with all your loved ones is
breathtaking. Yeah, for sure.
Words. Like, you know, the two of you
had those moments and they were very early in the Olympics,
right? You, you all skated in within
the really like the first week of the Olympics.
And then you got to stick around for another week, week and 1/2
or so, right? So that you could, you could do
all of the rest of the stuff. Like it's different than a World
Championships where you're completely crammed into a few
days and you don't even get to do much else as So what were the
other types of things that you all did?
What were some of the more memorable ones that that that
you had? Well, as you said, like we got
to, we got to the Games, we had about a week to settle in, do
the opening ceremony and then compete.
It was a quicker turn around than what we did four years ago.
But at the same time, like you said, it's also more time than
what it is World Championships. But it was great for us this
time around. I know it wasn't the same for
all athletes. A lot of athletes did have to
leave a couple of days after the event ended.
It really depended on the federation and the situation of
the skater. We were even told that we might
not be able to stay until the end.
But we did kind of fight that because we were like, you're not
kicking me out. But also our aim was to be in
the Olympic Gala with our like fun gala run number.
So we were luckily able to stay. And honestly, good job because I
didn't really well personally, but I know Tim as well.
We didn't do so much of the interactive things in the
Olympic Village prior to our event because it was so
overwhelming and there were so many things to do.
And Tim and I really wanted to conserve our energy and really
focus on the competition 1st. And then we were luckily able to
have the time afterwards to enjoy those things in the
Olympic Village, like going to the Coca-Cola lounge, making a
Coca-Cola kind of a picture, the pin trading like everything was
after the competition for us because it was a lot to take in.
But we were, we are there at the Olympics to compete.
So that's what we wanted to put as our priority.
So then we really dove into like the social side of it
afterwards. And for myself, well, also we're
in Milan, Italy to explore a bit of Milan as well, to go into the
city, go downtown. I know a lot of athletes got
there earlier, so they did that in advance.
But it was nice to just, you know, spend time out of the
Olympic Village as well, see our families in other ways in a new,
in a new place. Go out for a romantic dinner
with our significant others. We went out for a group dinner,
the four of us, so just like have a little, well, a mini
vacation in a way as well because this was our only time
off until we get back into things for the World
Championships. So we're grateful that we were
able to do at the games and also let us kind of like let
everything sink in like what had just happened and also milk the
the spotlight of what the Olympic Games is like.
Figure skating is a niche sport. It's getting more popular, but
we still know that every four years we've become more and more
popular. So during this month, every four
years, you better believe we're milking it as much as we can.
So that's what we did. Yeah.
So just enjoying like the Olympic Village.
There's just so many things to do as an athlete in the village.
Luckily, yeah, even just the pin trading as you know, like take
so took over a big part of our Olympic experience and then
going to watch other events. Both of us went to as many
hockey games as we could. Tim went to the long track, we
both went to short track and then to watch the pairs events,
etcetera. Like we wanted to watch as many
events as we could also being at the Olympic Games because that
was also not so much a thing four years ago for us.
So yeah, just really enjoy the Olympic spirit after the
competition when you can fully like, take it all in as well.
So great. Yeah, overwhelming has been the
word that I've heard the most number of times when people are
talking about the actual village.
It's just like sensory overload for sure.
Yeah, like I remember having to go to the dining hall with my
headphones in a couple of times just to be like, don't speak to
anybody. Like I need this like moment of
peace and quiet. But that never happened.
Like it's like being on a school trip.
That's how I literally how I described it as is being on a
school trip in high school. But it was a three-week long,
like, school trip. I took.
I took a book. Yeah, I took a book to read.
Did I read a page? I read, like, a few pages before
bed. But other than that, you're in
your room and you're like, I feel like I'm missing out on
things outside. And and the things outside where
people being like can I trade a pin with you?
Oh my God. Someone.
Said in the dining hall. The the, the people who give you
the food, even them were like, oh, Spain, you're pretty rare.
You have a pin like with those eyes.
You're like, can I just have a boiled egg, please?
Yeah. Yeah, a little aggressive.
A little aggressive, Yeah. OK.
Speaking of Beijing, I want to maybe take you back four years
ago, we talked about the weird Olympic experience a little bit
of Beijing, but you all were with different partners there,
right, Tim, you're with Katarina and and Olivia, you're with
Adrian and subsequently got together in the offseason after
that. So tell me about the the origins
of it. I'm sure you've talked about it
a number of times that I want to want to just hear four years
after, like how, what, what does the origin story look like for
you? Go ahead.
Yeah, it really started with like us not skating with our
former partners anymore, right. Adrian retired and I stopped
skating with my former partner in Katarina after the Olympics
or more like after the World Championships towards the end of
the season. And then we were both, I can
speak for the both of us in that moment.
We were both like in the moment we were like, what do we do?
What's next? Like what, where do we want to
go? For me, it didn't didn't took
too long to be honest, like maybe a month and a half, two
months where I was like, OK, now I definitely want to continue.
I have so much fire still in me. I want to continue skating,
looking for a new partner. And Olivia was probably the
first one I texted because I saw it online that she also stopped
skating with Adrian. And then we knew each other for
a long time, of course, from from skating.
But the first answer was, yeah, no, she was not.
She was not in the headspace that they went out in the
headspace at that moment. Maybe you want to say that you
were in Montreal still, but like what was going on?
I was in limbo of like, am I going to continue?
Am I not going to continue? I was, yeah, I was really going
for a tough time, like personally with my career being
put on pause and the way it happened and also like my
relationship at the time. And I was just like, I don't
want to say yes to this guy and just be be blow up in his face.
So I did. I very honestly said like, look,
this is a really bad time. I'm not ready for this right
now. Like it's not you.
It's a no. Kinda.
Yeah. So yeah, I gave him a no, but it
wasn't like a no. But check back in with me in a
few months. I remember just being like, no,
I was doing new things in Montreal at the time.
I was just trying to kind of like find myself out of skating
and I really didn't think it would be possible for me to get
a new partner, no matter who it was, whether it was Tim or
somebody else. I didn't think it would be
possible for me to get a new partner and get to the place I
wanted to or where I was with Adrian.
In my mind mind I was like, if I got a new partner like this is
going to be near to impossible. Like how, how is this even a
thing? Even though we both myself and I
know Tim as well, we both left the Olympics with like this
whole new confidence and fire in US.
And at that time I was like, I don't want something that's too
challenging right now. I need a minute.
So yeah, I did say no at first. But then Tim was in Montreal, I
was doing, I stepped in for some coaching in Montreal and I was
on the ice and Tim had a tryout in Montreal, a couple of
tryouts. Long story short, one of them
that I actually helped set up, there was a girl that I knew of
and suggested it's the coaches that Tim has a tryout with her
because I knew he was looking for a partner to reach out to
me. So he had these tryouts with
these girls and then the coaches invited me over for dinner one
night and after 2 bottles of wine they sat me down and said
we think you need to have a tryout with Tim.
And I was like what? Long story short, the reason why
it came such a shock this question is because a week prior
I signed my dancing and ice contract and they knew I'd sign
my dancing and ice contract because I asked them if they
thought it was a good idea if I do it.
They were, I asked like Marie France because they did battle
of the blades as well. It's like, is there something
I'll enjoy? And Marie France was like,
you'll love it. She's like, even if you choose
to come back to the the sport or not, she said it will help you
grow as a person and as a skater and athlete.
So I took her advice and I signed that contract.
But then a week later they're telling me I need to have a try
out with Tim Deke. And I'm like, but they said, I
know they, they briefly said like, I know you signed your
contract, but we think you just need to have this try out just
to see if this is something that you want.
Because if you do want to continue, this is your only
option. Like this is the time.
I'm like, OK, so I had a tryout and we had a tryout.
I text him and said like, hey, are you free tomorrow by any
chance for a tryout? So I can't imagine what his
reaction was. Yeah, like just kidding.
Yeah, my plan was kind of out because obviously I knew, like I
said before, OK, Olivia's still there.
She's not not skating at the moment, but she's still there.
So there might be still a slightly small chance.
So, yeah. And then I got that text to the
beginning of the week or something.
And then we skated like two or three days and then, yeah,
decided to skate together and go on a journey together.
Yeah, but I was like, hey, yeah, let's do this, let's commit to
this. But can you wait eight months?
I'm ATV thing I need to do. I'm like, I have an obligation
in the UK on a reality TV show. We tried to coordinate with him
coming to the UK every so often, but I, my, I was packed.
Like my schedule was busier than I expected, but I'm like going
into this TV show like, hey, guys, I'm doing this, but I'm
also, I have a new partner waiting for me and I'm trying to
train to eventually go to the Olympics again.
They didn't care. So my schedule was packed, jam
packed, and then as soon as dancing I send it, I was like,
OK, I need a quick break and then we'll get straight to it.
And it wasn't even like you were.
You were like eliminated in the first show.
It was like you went all the way and won it.
So you had to do the whole thing.
Yeah, I was like, if I get eliminated, I'll have so much
more time. It'll be so different.
Yeah, no, from like halfway through the show, I was like,
hey, we might be able to win this.
So I need to like commit now. Tim, you're on pause.
It's like my other skating partner really needs the work.
And Tim, I actually brought Tim in.
Tim came to the UK and like helped me with Nile a little bit
and stuff. So it became like a group
project. That was also then a cool start
Tower competitive career as well, together sharing new
experiences that we didn't even expect.
Right. So you all started in 2023 in
the fall and and you've had three seasons together.
Now if you look back, you know at the 1st first half season was
was challenging, right? You all had not that much time
to train together. You were still trying to figure
out how to skate with each other and there were there were some
starts and stops. And if you look back at that
time, what was the maybe the most challenging thing that you
all had to kind of deal with and how did you go about getting
there for? Me there's like the season star.
Overall, we were both pretty like confident in what we were
doing, our material and the way with the way things were
feeling. It wasn't until we start
competing that the the outcome of what we were putting out
there was not what we expected. So for example, the scores and
the placement. We were pretty content though
regardless because we were a brand new team.
We were out there competing for the first time.
So we knew it was going to be difficult and we knew we would
have to start from the bottom and then we weren't complaining
because we got 2 Grand Prixs as a brand new team.
So that's like a pretty good and big step.
So we were just kind of like rolling with the punches in what
was happening in that moment. I don't think it was until the
World Championships where I think the both of us kind of hit
a position of a Lord. This isn't going well.
Do do we want, how do we go about this and do we want to
figure this out and go about this because this is
challenging. And it's also not just
challenging like physically and mentally.
It was also kind of like breaking that confidence that we
had just got from the Olympic Games 2022.
It felt like, you know, we were we just had a really big kind.
Now we're like at rock bottom. And we had that moment of the
World Championships where we finished 20th.
We had a decent. 19th, 19th. 19th OK thank you fact checks.
I love that we had, we didn't have a terrible skate, we just
didn't score well. And also our programs, our free
dance especially was just not being well perceived.
And we know what material means in ice dance.
And as a new team, finding anything that worked for us was
just challenging because we didn't know what our styles
were. We didn't know what would work
for the both of us. And we just chose our music
based on what we felt was right for us.
So yeah, after World championships, it took us some
time to re align with, OK, why are we doing this and do we want
to go through with this regardless of the results?
And if we do, how are we going to do that?
So, yeah, we realigned after the World Championships and just, we
decided, like, look, we partnered up because we had
something left in us that we weren't ready to give up on.
We both wanted our careers to end on our terms.
And also like while we're still young, healthy and have the
opportunity to be doing this sport at such a high level in
front of thousands and thousands of people each time, Like why
wouldn't we take this opportunity?
We just had to kind of align, like, OK, what's the risk reward
of it? Like if it makes us feel good,
great. But if it's like a result based
thing, then we're probably never going to be pleased sort of
deal. But then.
Little did we know, changing that perspective for us actually
equalled out to results. And that's still and to this
still now to this day, our mentality because having the
expectations of results and numbers and anything like that,
it's like we're always going to be disappointed in some ways.
We're still learning. You know, we're only human.
We're also athletes and very competitive athletes.
So we want to succeed, but we have to catch ourselves in
reminding us like, OK, why are we doing this?
And it's really helped us and it's helped our trajectory in
the past two seasons. And I would do believe in we've
spoke quite often. Like, we do believe we needed
that first season together to like, you know, kick us back
into shape because we came from this high from the Olympic Game
2022 with all this confidence. And like, like, I can do this,
like just partnered up with someone else.
That's another Olympian. Sure, we needed to be kicked
down a few notches in order to be where we are today, and it's
only helped us skate with, I'd say, more gratitude than
anything else. Well, and and you've also now
become known as the ones with the innovative moves too.
I mean, like the that really started in that second season
together. And I think a lot of people will
remember the the choreographed lifts and you know, it was.
A competition as well. From the from from the first
competition as well where it didn't work, but it tell me
about that right. That's something that really has
separated you from other teams. And you know how you you all
know how deep the ice dance fields are.
And for you to be able to say like, hey, I, I've made a mark
on the sport with the things that we do like, was that a
conscious decision? And how do you think about that
when you're choreographing new material?
But it was for me, the first moment where I was like, oh,
what is going to happen from this point on was when Roman put
us in the beginning pose of our Doom 1 program into like a
thought of ball or he called it at that point like the ball.
And I was like, OK, what's going to happen?
Because there was something so different.
I never had the position of and the style where it went from
there. How he unwind this position with
us together. That's when I thought like, OK,
this can be something really, really special.
And then it was when we started working on the elements and the
choreograph and choreographic elements where whenever we did
it, I was like, OK, no one else did this stuff before.
This is going to be so unique and so special.
So we knew that like when when it came to the choreography and
like skating the program, but what we also me personally, what
I also felt was OK, the first run through of the doing 1
program, I'm like, OK, we need to put in a lot of work here
because it was very, very difficult to perform those moves
in a full, full program. I mean anytime.
But doing this like doing a part with one lift is another thing
than doing a formula program of those lifts and elements.
And then and yeah, starting that season was our Doom Doom 1
program, of course didn't didn't went really well in the first
competition. But then going back for from it,
going back to training, Patrice asked us or asked me.
OK, do you still want to do this choreography lift or do we need
to change it? And I did it again and there was
like a slight movement again in the practice and he went into
the direction that we have to change it.
But I was like, no, this is the most unique lift figure skating
has kind of seen so far in a choreographic based element.
I really want to make this work. So we did it kind of over and
over. And that's what we really did
throughout the season. We, we really worked on our
consistency in practice and on the elements especially.
And that's what also took us to the point where we are now,
like, I mean, we call it the fast track.
Like other couples have a full circle full for Four Seasons of
preparing. We had like 3, three seasons as
a new couple together. So we had to go on a fast track,
but really going in this training consistency and going
with those special kind of elements really brought us to
the point where we are now. I think we can really say that
we brought a new level of figure skating and ice stands to our
sport, which skating has never seen before.
So that's that's pretty special for sure.
I mean, using the choreographic elements as they were intended
to be, which is creativity, right?
Like that's, that's the whole, that's the whole thing about
introducing those elements. Finding unique things is just so
difficult nowadays in the world of art and dance man.
Everyone's everyone's algorithm in the summer is probably linked
up to the same things, the same off ice dancers doing lifts and
I was trying to replicate them on the ice.
Like it's even the same with music.
Like there's always one song that'll show up that might trend
and then somebody uses it and then you have 5 people using it.
It's hard to be unique in the world of ice stands, especially
without being too far out-of-the-box as well.
Because you have the classic ice stands and then you have the
really, really, really far out-of-the-box ice stands.
And like, I like to stand out as a person.
Tim likes to stand out as a person.
We both like acting and playing roles, so it just came very
natural for us to play like the characters in Dune.
But when, like Tim was saying, Roman was coming up with the
elements in the choreography, I was like, this is really fucking
weird. This is weird.
But from what we'd experienced in our first season together and
the downfall of worlds, I was like, I'm open to anything at
this point. I was like, let's just roll of
it. Let's just have fun with it.
And because of that, we were able to come up with just a very
intricate, unique, weird program that fit Dune.
And a fun fact that not many people know is romance
icographer of Dune 1 and Dune 2 and he has never seen the
movies. Never.
Not once. And he will not watch the
movies. We asked him the other day,
would you watch the new one? He's like, no, probably not we.
Got at this point to be. Honest, yeah.
He think he thinks it's better that way because he doesn't have
like a closed vision on what it needs to be and what it looks
like. So in the choreography,
especially June 1, some moments of that program Tim and I
brought to the choreography because we're like, hey, there's
this thing called sand walking in the movie.
He's like, what? And we showed him it and he's
like, OK, you add that in there somewhere.
So like those moments in the choreography and the sound
effects of the sand like we added because we had watch the
movie and dissect it, dissected it.
And also Patch, I remember his training at one point and he's
like, there's no sand walking movements in your choreography.
We're like, we know Roman hasn't seen the movie.
He thinks there's camels in the movie.
So, so that's also a funny back story to it that he's created
these two like his well now viral programs that are going to
go down in history based on a award-winning movie that he has
still never seen. I think it's funny though.
The interesting thing? About.
Yeah, the, the interesting thing about that is that without
seeing the actual material and the the the plot of the whole
thing, you don't make it so liberal.
You don't end up being like, oh, you're Paula Treaties or you're,
you know, the other person. I can't remember, you know, like
the, the like it's, it's the, the, the choreography really is
the, the, the feel and the atmosphere of the music.
Plus the two of you bring the story in because you have seen
the movie, the movies and, and you're able to then then tell
your own story with the choreography that has already
been put in. So.
Yeah, so we had like a full team in a way because Roman was fully
basing the choreography off of the music and the feeling from
the music. And then we were able to bring
our storyline into it. And that's also the way our
school here works in Montreal. We have our coaches and
choreographers, the technical side coaches, Roman being a
choreographer. But then we work with other
people, multiple people, other coaches that I am that help us
develop the story of the program.
It's not just Roman and it's not just Patch and it's not just
Marie. There's a an army of people that
we work with still to this day on developing the story and the
characters of all of our programs.
So yeah, it took a village and everybody got invested.
Like everybody was bringing their own kind of vision into
it. And it just, it helped us
develop the layers of what our program programs have.
Well, I, I know the two of you have things to do and I, I want
to make sure that you all get to do the things that you need to
do. But world's coming up in a
couple weeks where two Sundays before we head to Prague.
So what are you thinking about for that competition?
You know, how are you entering this, your third worlds
together, right to, you know, get to where you want to get to
by the end of the season? Where's your head?
For us, it's like each competition, first of all, it's
like a new competition. People like to say like, yeah,
the world's after the Olympics, you know, like something can
happen there, like the doors are open or stuff like this.
But we really like to go and every competition as a new
competition, obviously. And at Gualts, like every other
competition, we want to create a moment on the ice, which we have
done so far this season pretty well, especially with our doing
program. We always want to create a
moment on the ice, which is memorable.
And then from this story and from that moment, what we create
out of the ice is like after first of all, the feeling after
when you're when you've created this moment, we both know it.
We look at each other and we were like, OK, yes, we, we just
did it again. And that's like the most
important for us to create this memorable moment and eat out
there together as one and then see what the results and stuff
make with that. But of course, try to try to
improve our season's best scores.
Definitely. But more important, and most
most important, is really this moment we create out there
together as a couple and the story we want to bring to the
crowd and then we will see what happens.
Have you figured out what is giving you the exclamation
point? I knew it's coming.
Oh, it's coming. I was going to say, and our goal
is to not get a an exclamation point in the car step.
Did you did you get the feedback?
We haven't gotten the feedback yet from the games.
We know from past events, but for the games we haven't gotten
the feedback yet, unfortunately, so we're just training it to our
eye right now with a lot of camera work and being very
specific. Such a mystery.
Yeah, it was a shock to us because we didn't actually know
we got the score and we were over the moon with our score
when we signed the leader chair. For a while we didn't look at
the score sheet when we left because we were like, I don't
care. Like that was great, which is
very rare for us. We usually like to look at our
levels and see didn't even bother.
We were just on such a high. It wasn't until we reunited with
our families upstairs in the stands where my mother told me I
probably you got an explanation point.
I was like. Huh.
And. Then I ran, ran to John Luke.
I was like, we got an exclamation point.
He's like, yeah. And then we watched the video.
We couldn't figure it out. Tim and I saw red immediately.
And we were both just like this. We're for like a hot second.
Tim was more angry than I was 100%.
But we were both just like we felt.
We were so angry. Let's just say that.
But then we remembered we're at the Olympic Games.
We did just do really well. We're with our families.
Let's get a glass of wine and enjoy this moment.
We'll reevaluate another time, but yeah, we're we're training
very diligently right now with that.
Rumor has it that's changing as of next year.
So it's fingers crossed. The meantime, we'll.
Just be careful. Yeah, there's just sometimes
when you look at those things and you're like, really, you
got, did you get a, did you get a meter stick out to, to measure
whether you were two meters apart or two arm legs apart?
Like it's like, yeah, it, it, that kind of stuff kills me.
The the nitpicking of it for no reason at all other than to say
like, gotcha, yeah. Yeah.
And it's it's like it's just so costly.
Yeah, for so of something it's like.
Three points. Yeah, so we were like, oh wow,
our heads are going, oh wow, we got one.
What do you get? 120, two, 123, the games, 123.
We were like, oh, we could have had a 125 freelance at the
Olympics. Yeah, So what could have?
1/22/96 So you could have had a 126 Yeah well you know what it's
a a new thing to to go for at the.
It's a new goal, Yeah, it's a new goal.
It keeps things interesting I guess.
Yeah, exactly. And anyway I have the pin from
you so. Yeah, I I feel partially
responsible. For Oh no, no, no, we just, we
just ran with the trend. I know, I know.
Well, Olivia, Tim, excited to see you in Prague and enjoy the
next two weeks of training and resetting as you go into your
final competition of the year. And you know, good luck with
everything and I'll see you there.
Thank you so much, Jackie. Bye bye.