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Welcome to the Rocker Skating 
podcast. 

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It is a starry, starry episode. 
I had to do that. 

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Of course. 
Piper Gilles, Paul Poirier are 

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here with me. 
And we're what, in the middle 

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of, right, Like really smack dab
between the Olympics and world 

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and so catching you all maybe a 
week and a half before you 

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leave. 
Actually, no. 

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Probably a week before you 
leave. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
How are you all doing? 

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We're we're good. 
We're good. 

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I think we're, we're excited 
that, you know, we only have a 

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week left before the World 
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I think we're we're eager to do 
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more time. 
And yeah, I think our bodies are

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ready. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I, I don't think my body is 
ready quite yet. 

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Paul, what, what's been, what 
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past few weeks? 
But after that, amazing 

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Olympics. 
Well, today I'm doing my taxes, 

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so this is a nice little 
procrastinatory tool which I'm 

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really happy about. 
It's been good. 

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Speaking of which, I need I need
to do my taxes too. 

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Yeah, Well, I mean, the hard 
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straight from Worlds to 
Starzonice, Japan and then 

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straight to Starzonice, Canada. 
So kind of now is the last time 

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we're home for a good chunk of 
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So there's just like, and then, 
you know, we were gone for three

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weeks during the Olympics. 
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window to get a lot of like, 
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But yeah, I've just been trying 
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know, making sure that we're 
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obviously there's a big crash 
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Just slowly trying to see my 
friends and family and celebrate

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with them. 
There's lots of people that of 

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course weren't there in Milan. 
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we can with our people while 
we're home. 

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I know, I think I saw a like a 
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day. 
Is that was that a thing? 

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Some some, some friends threw a 
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nice. 
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Olympic rings, which was really 
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I wasn't expecting it. 
And then we realized, you know, 

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we only have one song for 
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So they said like they started 
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because when they brought the 
cake out, because it just seemed

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weird to just bring a cake out 
without a song, which is really 

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funny. 
Wow, OK, Happy Olympics to you 

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is something that not many 
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They have been sung to them. 
Piper, what about you? 

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How? 
How are your last couple weeks? 

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They've been good. 
They've been good. 

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They've been kind of busy just 
doing like little media stuff 

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here and there. 
But yeah, I've just been nothing

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too, too crazy other than 
battling the sickness that I 

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feel like a lot of people got 
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So yeah, my voice is finally 
returning and I don't know, life

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is slowly returning back to 
normal, which is kind of nice. 

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It's been really nice to be home
and kind of celebrate with our 

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coaches and our teammates and 
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Like Paul said, just catching up
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seen in a a few months. 
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So I guess it'll be nice to, 
especially after worlds and what

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stars are done to, to like fully
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celebration with everybody. 
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forward to that. 
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the norovirus that apparently 
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Thank goodness. 
Which seems to be like, yeah. 

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Which seems to be like every 
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breakout 'cause I. 
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close quarters after traveling. 
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sense in a way. 
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up to the Olympics, we we didn't
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until after. 
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some luck involved with that. 
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care we put into babying 
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Yeah, it's like the the number 
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competitions leading up to the 
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like staying away from people or
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Yeah, remembrances of the Covic 
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Yeah. 
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faze anybody anymore because we 
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No, I think we learned our 
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trying to avoid the plague in 
some way, yeah. 

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Totally. 
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decision to worlds because I 
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included, and Paul, you and I 
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after your free dance. 
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so worlds, are they not? 
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And then it and I realized, oh, 
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Yeah, you didn't say and you 
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have any hints of it whatsoever.
So I just like, I was like, OK, 

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but was that always in the plans
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after the Olympics to do one 
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You know, I think we didn't want
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specific thought of mine, like 
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programs for the season. 
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to put on the programs. 
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pressure at the Olympics. 
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we left quite open-ended going 
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said, let's just kind of proceed
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normal and we'll do worlds. 
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we get to the other side of the 
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have that conversation and 
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But, you know, we felt like the 
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environment and as much as we 
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fairly calm, you know, there's 
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that goes into that event. 
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opportunity this season to just 
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bit more. 
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It sounds funny to say where the
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even though it's worlds and 
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there with us. 
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share this event with like 
having both of them there, which

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is not something we get to do 
very often. 

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Well, I mean, this is your third
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So so you know that the the sort
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back up that that needs to 
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Was there anything when you were
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Olympics performances and we 
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performances when you were 
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kind of like we really need to 
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let's keep going or was there 
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going? 
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back from the Olympics, I think 
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performance and we were very 
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Olympics is such a stressful 
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thinking of anything else other 
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So I think for us to to continue
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celebrate what we accomplished 
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time, I think ultimately ended 
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to go and I don't know, not 
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Olympic ice. 
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sure. 
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decision because we really 
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where our bodies rested enough. 
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do this one more time? 
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sacrifice that it takes to 
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So for us, I think ultimately 
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We're going to have to be 
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Why not treat this as like 
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of event and really just 
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not the pressure, but just like 
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enjoying the process. 
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led us to kind of make that 
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Championships. 
It's like, why not? 

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It's funny because I you're not 
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especially those who've gone to 
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of feels a little bit World Team
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You know, it is a few weeks 
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It is like something where you 
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pressure cooker of that 
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And I mean, I hopefully we all 
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You know, we we know what post 
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Yeah. 
So this season you're a lot of 

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people got a chance to know you 
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over Netflix. 
I I literally I had Co workers, 

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friends, people I haven't talked
to in years be like, have you 

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watched glitter and gold? 
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And I'm like no, but yes, I do. 
I do know them. 

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I I actually did did finally 
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or not a couple days ago. 
What was that like having that 

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spotlight on you for the 
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And really, I mean, it wasn't 
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right? 
It was like a hey, where you 

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were Netflix and we're coming to
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these three teams. 
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I, I think it was actually quite
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I don't think we were ever at 
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We're like, Oh my God, these 
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I, I can't stand the film crew, 
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opposite of what we expected. 
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hesitant when they approach this
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this going to look like? 
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started filming at the World 
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the team and we're like, OK, 
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they're doing. 
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run group. 
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overbearing. 
They were like, are you OK with 

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this? 
Like, you know, if there's 

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something you said, we won't use
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Like they were super respectful.
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wanted to tell our story to the 
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abilities and to really have 
everybody understand who we 

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I think we felt that. 

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And I think for us, yeah, it 
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price of having that pressure, 
especially going into the 

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Olympic Games. 
Like the day we were leaving, 

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like they were releasing it. 
I remember I was, I was more 

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anxious for that, for like 
seeing people like a little bit 

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into our our personal lives than
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which is so, so bizarre. 
But I remember like being like, 

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do I watch it just so I know, 
no, I'm not going to watch it. 

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I like, like the whole time 
before we were leaving and then 

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people were like, I've watched, 
it's good, It's good. 

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You're great, Paul, and you like
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OK, I go to the Olympics. 
I don't need to watch this. 

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I'm going to be fine. 
But like, how strange is that? 

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We compete in front of thousands
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that's millions of people 
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I don't know. 
It was a very unique, I think, 

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experience. 
And I think what a great 

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opportunity for the next 
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of be like you're exposed to a 
broader audience. 

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No, I felt the same way. 
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with the whole thing was going 
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because we started filming at 
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at such a kind of high stakes 
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That was our first time meeting 
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And we didn't know what the 
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energy would be or, you know, 
after worlds when, you know, 

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when we went into the Grand Prix
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our process looked like. 
And at that point, you know, the

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crew is almost like family. 
They've come so many times to 

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the rink to to film us. 
We felt really comfortable. 

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And then as Piper said, with the
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the day we were flying out to 
the game, I just kind of put my 

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like social media blinders on 
and I just said, I'm going to 

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I'm going to look as little as 
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I'm done competing, which I'm 
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And you know, I even had like a 
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support site going into the 
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with the documentary releasing. 
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Olympics, I think that was like 
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of Olympics recipe. 
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by the entire team and they just
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watched it by now? 
I've not I. 

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Yeah. 
Sorry, Katie. 

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I don't know what it is. 
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were doing. 
I just, I lived it. 

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We lived it, you know, and I 
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to go back and watch my story or
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But I think we're so grateful 
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opportunity to kind of see a 
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I are and what we represent as 
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But no, not maybe one day I'll 
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third episode. 
But I know a lot of has like the

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Grand Prix Final in it. 
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much stuff that I'm like, I 
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keep going forward. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

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seem like such cool down to 
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resonating across the different 
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have talked to. 
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Good. 
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you all got to again be in the 
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the the your individual event 
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I think back in, back in 
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a a question that a lot of 
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there ever a thought of of you 
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the team event for you, the 2 of
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dance? 
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discussion. 
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getting ready for the Olympics, 
it was one of the hardest parts 

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of the preparation because it's 
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similar schedule to anything 
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You're never going to be doing 2
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you do 2 events kind of weekends
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know, more time in between. 
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run as many programs as you want
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It doesn't simulate the 
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So we, you know, we had to think

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about it a lot on what we wanted
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you know, we had to make a 
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information because we didn't 
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to skate necessarily. 
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wanted to prioritize our energy 
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really take care of ourselves. 
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and we felt actually quite tired
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team event. 
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the day off that we had event, 
you know, in the end planned for

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ourselves. 
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have margarine Zach have the 
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event because, you know, these 
these things could go different 

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ways where can, you know, Canada
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difference to get a medal or 
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And there's another scenario 
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great and Canada gets a metal 
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another skater could have the 
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team and get a medal. 
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there was no perfect decision, 
no perfect scenario. 

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with our coaches in Skip Canada 
with the information that we 

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had, which was incomplete. 
That was it was a tough 

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decision, though. 
I think the two of us, I was 

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like, we, we waited really till 
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was funny because like, I think 
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guilt that like if we had lost, 
if we didn't do the free and if 

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we were in that, you know, like 
if we were a point away, how 

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like kind of a shame that would 
have been to lose a medal for 

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our teammates and and this and 
that. 

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But, you know, we were so we 
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Canada to do the best decision 
for us. 

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And that was kind of what we had
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ourselves. 
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you got to do what's best for 
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And that's what we did. 
It was, it was a tough decision.

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It was really, again, more 
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that decision. 
You know, Paul and I were just 

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like, Oh my gosh, what do we do?
What do we do? 

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But, you know, I think we made 
the right call for us. 

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And yeah, at the end of the day,
we're so grateful that Marjorie 

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and Zach had the another 
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freelance and just kind of gain 
experience. 

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Yeah, and ultimately you can't, 
you can't predict the future, 

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right. 
And so you you have to make the 

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decision what the information 
that you have. 

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But then the individual event 
came. 

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And for me, two of your best 
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It's definitely the free dance. 
It was I, I, I, those who have 

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followed me on Twitter will know
that I was probably crying 

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within a minute and 1/2 into 
that program. 

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I think as soon as the twizzles 
were coming on, I literally had 

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like media journalist, people 
like come up to me afterwards 

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and be like, you were really 
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And I'm like, I'm like, yeah. 
And and it was it was one of 

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those things where like, I think
the audience felt it. 

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Everybody like whether they were
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kind of different energy from 
you and that free dance. 

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If you take us back to that 
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program that made it so special 
for both everybody who's watched

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it, right and for the two of 
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It's so interesting. 
It's like with Vincent, he was a

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starving artist, you know, he 
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And I think for us, like we, we 
connected to that and like that 

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we, we've been through it over 
the years. 

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Like we, we pushed and pushed 
and tried to like push the sport

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in a different direction. 
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it. 
And I think in that moment, we 

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were ready for it. 
Like we were ready for people to

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accept us for who we were and we
felt it. 

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And I think like we just kind of
let the program come to us and 

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we didn't we enforce it like we 
just went out and did a program 

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like we did at home. 
And that's exactly what we said 

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to ourselves backstage. 
Like let's just run a program 

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like we do at home and almost 
left like the universe accept 

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who we were. 
And I think like just as the 

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momentum of the program started,
I think people could just almost

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feel the relief of that we're 
doing it because I feel like 

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they wanted it for us. 
Like that relief just started to

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lift and we just started to 
state with that and abandonment.

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And by the time we ended that, 
it was like, I think everybody 

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knew like we did, We knew they 
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And I think, I don't know, those
are just one of those moments 

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that you're going to remember. 
And I hope people remember 

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because like they felt like they
were a part of that, that 

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release of, of I guess art and 
and struggle and believing in 

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yourself like that would that 
it's possible. 

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I think that's like, for me, 
What what stands out for in a 

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moment like that? 
Yeah, you talk about freedom, 

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right? 
And, and I think one of the 

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things that I remember so much 
about that program, and I talked

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about this a bit, is the 2 of 
you tend to be a. 

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There are times when you're a 
little bit more intellectual, a 

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little bit more insular and sort
of when you're doing programs, 

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you're telling each each other 
the story and you're letting 

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people see you tell each other 
the story. 

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But there was something about 
that program where it felt like 

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you were really telling the 
story, like talking to the 

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audience, right? 
And, and I don't know if you 

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felt that or not while you were 
on the ice, but you, you fed off

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the energy of that crowd And, 
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free. 
I don't think I've ever watched 

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a free dance where I'm like, 
yeah, everything's going to go 

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fine. 
Like I I just, I just believed 

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that it was going to be a great 
program without any sort of like

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I wasn't like on the edge of my 
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would happen, right. 
I was just like enjoying it. 

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What what how was that feeling? 
Was that was that the case for 

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you all? 
Yeah, it was the case, but it 

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but it is funny. 
You know our our coaches always 

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say to us when things are going 
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pay the most attention. 
It's very easy to get excited 

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when things are going well and, 
and in that excitement just kind

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of lose your focus for a moment 
and, and that becomes something.

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But I, I think we felt, as I 
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going to go well, but in a calm 
kind of way, not in a way where 

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I was already looking forward to
the end when things had already 

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gone well. 
I don't, I don't know how to 

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explain it better than that. 
So I think there was really. 

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A powerful kind of a presence to
it all. 

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But yeah, I, I really felt the 
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the games that the crowds were 
really amazing. 

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And I think, you know, I think 
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said, to tell them that story a 
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felt like the audience in Milan 
was just so receptive to all the

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skaters in accepting what they 
had to offer and in encouraging 

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them and those kinds of things. 
And I felt during the entirety 

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of the games, what I really 
appreciated about the audience 

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was, you know, when people would
make mistakes, they would really

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get behind them and, and like, 
you know, kind of give them 

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energy to keep going. 
And, you know, so I think that 

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that definitely fed us as well. 
This season has been a roller 

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coaster in a lot of ways, 
especially on the front of 

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technical panels, calls like 
those types of things. 

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You got a pattern step for at 
the Olympics, which is which is 

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nice. 
But now that we're here and you 

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have the, the privilege of 
having the like, being able to 

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look back on the season, how 
would you think about the Grand 

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Prix and how that all sort of 
shook out in terms of, you know,

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the, the, the, the some of the 
weirdness, if you will, that 

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happened with, with a lot of the
scoring, especially in that like

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first half at the Grand Prix. 
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I think it was challenging in a 
lot of ways. 

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You know, we, we knew that 
trying to get on the Olympic 

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podium would be a very difficult
task. 

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I think, you know, every athlete
knows that even when you're 

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you're in sort of a contender 
position like we were. 

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So, you know, we definitely 
didn't take anything for granted

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this season. 
I think in a lot of ways, you 

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know, we as athletes, we have to
skate our best and we don't 

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necessarily have control over 
the scoring. 

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And when, you know, when we're 
disappointed with the results, 

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we can either, you know, dig 
ourselves into a hole or we can 

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look at it as an opportunity. 
And we had to keep choosing, you

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know, each kind of looking at 
each set back as another 

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opportunity to get better. 
I think in a lot of ways, as 

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much as, you know, certain parts
were hard. 

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And definitely we're very 
disappointed after the Grand 

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Prix Final. 
I think it did really force us 

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to be critical of ourselves and 
critical about what we could 

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still do better before we got to
the Olympics. 

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And I think that really guided 
our training between the Grand 

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Prix Final and nationals, you 
know, so I think in a way it was

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tough psychologically and 
emotionally. 

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But I think I said it gave us 
the direction we needed to 

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improve ourselves before the 
Olympics and make sure that 

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everything was as good as it 
needed to be. 

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I mean, even, you know, even in 
the rhythm dance and the team 

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event, our levels were not as 
good as they could have been. 

446
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,400
And, you know, we, we, we agreed
with that, you know, definitely 

447
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,240
wasn't our best skate and our 
best performance. 

448
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,080
And there were a few places 
where we were tight, especially 

449
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,640
in the steps. 
And that was a, that was a good 

450
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,320
wake up call. 
That was, you know, it kind of 

451
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,880
really forced us to, to sharpen 
ourselves on those few days of 

452
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,520
practice in between the team 
event and the individual event. 

453
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,200
So, you know, we, we can always 
improve. 

454
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,320
We can always be better and we 
always just have to treat 

455
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,800
whatever feedback we get as an 
opportunity to to do that. 

456
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,760
So you've been skating for a 
long time now? 

457
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:54,360
Don't remind us. 
I know both of you were active 

458
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,440
in the junior events in the mid 
2000s, right? 

459
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:06,080
Like you've really grown up in 
the Ijs and how how skating has 

460
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,680
changed over the past 20 years. 
I know this is a big question, 

461
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,800
but like, if you were to look 
back at the past 20 years of 

462
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,360
things that you've done as ice 
dancers that that you loved or 

463
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,880
didn't like, like what? 
What would you bring back? 

464
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,760
What would you change? 
What would you think about as 

465
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080
something that you're like, 
yeah, we're definitely missing 

466
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,680
this stuff in ice dance? 
I mean, I, I think for me, and I

467
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,520
think I speak for Paul as well, 
the importance of compulsory 

468
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,200
dances. 
I think, you know, as much as 

469
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,240
maybe the audience didn't enjoy 
it and maybe that's something 

470
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,080
that they can just see as like a
qualifying event, but that is 

471
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,520
what really built amazing 
skaters. 

472
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,640
It built an understanding of 
tracking. 

473
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,800
It built like the, I guess the 
importance of leg line and the 

474
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,800
understanding of how tight and 
close people can skate together.

475
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000
I think a lot of the times you 
see like over the years, ice 

476
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,360
stance has gotten farther and 
farther away from each other. 

477
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,400
And what I, I think people 
really recognize that Paul and I

478
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320
do so well is how tight we 
skate. 

479
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
And because we skate so tight, 
it's, it's really hard. 

480
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,800
It's harder than being side by 
side. 

481
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800
And I think it's, it's quite fun
when we watch some of our 

482
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,480
teammates trying to do the 
golden. 

483
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,640
But it's, it's things like that,
like Paul and I are like, we're 

484
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,040
like, wow. 
Like I'm so grateful that I 

485
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,920
cried by doing three turns on a 
circle, doing the European, like

486
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,440
stuff like that. 
Like, like I'm so grateful for, 

487
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280
for everything that Paul and I 
have learned and gone through 

488
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,480
with compulsory dances to like 
make the skaters that we are 

489
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,360
today because we have such an 
understanding of where bodies 

490
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,480
need to be relative to each 
other. 

491
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,560
And I think that's, that's 
missing. 

492
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,520
So personally, I think it's like
kind of incorporating a little 

493
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,960
bit more of the individual 
skating between two people. 

494
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,440
And that's that's for me, it's 
called compulsory dances. 

495
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,280
Literally the the discussion in 
the next season is going to be 

496
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,600
what do you mean three turns are
hard? 

497
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,200
You're so hard, like tucking 
your butt underneath and you're 

498
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,000
like at a diagonal line in a 
hall is the most uncomfortable 

499
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,560
thing anybody can imagine. 
But it looks so good to bring it

500
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,360
back. 
I, I think a lot of the same. 

501
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,400
I think the kind of just 
compulsory dances, skating, 

502
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920
skating in hold, good tracking, 
those kinds of things I think 

503
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
aren't being rewarded 
necessarily right now. 

504
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,760
I think the. 
It's not, it's literally not in 

505
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,840
the system, right? 
Like you don't, you don't see 

506
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,800
that you you see that maybe in 
like a feature or a a bullet for

507
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720
a GOE or whatever, right. 
But it's just so hidden in. 

508
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840
There, I mean, it's it's hard to
quantify and I think that's part

509
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,240
of the challenge. 
I think generally where the Ijs 

510
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,320
struggles and you know, this is 
something that we we all as a, 

511
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,640
you know, community have to face
all the time is because each 

512
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240
element and each thing is kind 
of scored individually. 

513
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,000
Everything needs everything you 
do needs to be big. 

514
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,520
Everything you do needs to be 
fast. 

515
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,160
Everything you do needs to be 
impressed because those are 

516
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,680
important bullets in order to 
get the jewelry. 

517
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,240
So you know, your twizzling 
needs to be fast and your lips 

518
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,360
need to be big and fast and 
cover a lot of ice and like all 

519
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:19,680
your elements need to do that. 
And so it asked the skaters to 

520
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,120
skate in one way the entire 
time, which is really big and 

521
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:26,520
really fast. 
And I don't know necessarily 

522
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,360
how, how to kind of, as I said, 
reward the, the the complexity 

523
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:37,600
and, and the holds in those kind
of more subtle things because 

524
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,440
they're hard, they're tougher to
isolate in a way that, you know,

525
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,240
something like big and 
impressive looks big and 

526
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,400
impressive. 
So I think that's a challenge, 

527
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,440
but I, you know, I think it's, 
you know, we kind of, we grew up

528
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,440
during that transition where, 
you know, we kind of started Ijs

529
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960
when we were in junior. 
And so, you know, our, our 

530
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,400
foundation of skating is 
different and we've seen the 

531
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,040
sport kind of evolve and change 
over the last, you know, 20 

532
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,800
years or so that we've had Ijs 
around. 

533
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,160
And, you know, I think a lot of 
that change has been positive, 

534
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,640
but you know, some of it has 
picked at some of the things 

535
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040
that we we see as foundational 
to our sport. 

536
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,200
And there's there's a balance to
strike. 

537
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,560
And I don't necessarily know 
where it is, but I think that 

538
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,120
that's the thing that we both 
miss the most. 

539
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,040
I think, I mean, I think it's 
like an educational thing. 

540
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,040
I think like Paul and I, you 
know, we, we watch skating like 

541
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,040
way, way back, like YouTube is a
huge tool for any, any young 

542
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,800
child wanting to learn what the 
history of ice dance is. 

543
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,320
You know, I think I'm an 
athlete. 

544
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,800
It's like we do so much research
to try to create something new 

545
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,240
and interesting and whatever. 
But I also feel like that the, 

546
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
the judges and the ISU should 
also be able to kind of do the 

547
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,200
research of what made skating 
great and kind of compare where 

548
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,480
ice dance is today. 
And I don't know if it's 

549
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480
educating the new generation of 
judges that are coming in and 

550
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200
saying this is the type of stuff
that should be rewarded. 

551
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,040
This is the type of stuff where 
we're at. 

552
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,680
How can we combine the two and 
create both? 

553
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Because both create value. 
But it I think both sides have 

554
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,560
to do enough education to be 
able to figure out what's going 

555
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,920
to be the best thing moving 
forward. 

556
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,040
And I think, yeah, we should all
both be accountable athletes. 

557
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,000
And you know ISU and the judges 
and tech panel, you know what 

558
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,840
should be next. 
It's it's an evolving thing and 

559
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,120
we never really know where the, 
the balance really is. 

560
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,240
So I'm sure it'll, you know, 
there's been a lot of 

561
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880
conversations over the past four
years and I'm sure it'll swing 

562
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,200
again. 
Yeah. 

563
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,080
That's how it goes. 
I mean, I think that's the 

564
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,680
challenge is, you know, we're 
trying to quantify a lot of 

565
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,600
things that are you can't 
quantify and, you know, and we 

566
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,320
don't want to dictate and define
everything because everyone, 

567
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,440
everyone will look the same. 
But if everything is vague, 

568
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,000
then, you know, you know, we 
have no goals and we have no 

569
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,720
guidelines. 
And, you know, it's a tough, 

570
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,400
it's a such a tough balance to 
strike. 

571
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Yeah, yeah. 
For sure well, you, there's 

572
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360
there's plenty for you to do 
Paul. 

573
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560
You, you got taxes to finish 
Piper. 

574
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,680
You you need to get some more 
rest and and. 

575
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,560
And recover. 
We're we were talking about 

576
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,160
worlds and thereafter, which is 
lots of stuff. 

577
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,120
What? 
What is happening after Worlds 

578
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400
for you all? 
Well, I think right right away 

579
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,920
Paul and I are tripping on tour 
with Stars on Ice Japan. 

580
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,960
So we're heading right from 
basically the banquet, you know,

581
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,360
the next morning straight to 
Japan, starting rehearsals in 

582
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,920
Osaka. 
I'm surprised they don't have 

583
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,000
just like a charter flight for 
all of you to just go over there

584
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,280
because like, there's so many of
you heading over there. 

585
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Yeah. 
And then we we come home and 

586
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,480
then we do the same thing with 
Stars on Ice Canada. 

587
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,760
And then I don't really know 
what's next. 

588
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,400
I think for us like a well 
deserved break just to recover 

589
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,240
the body and the mind. 
But I think Paul and I are 

590
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
excited to see what's next for 
us. 

591
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Like we're excited to say yes to
a lot of different 

592
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960
opportunities. 
But you know, we aren't sure 

593
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,720
what the next opportunities are 
yet. 

594
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,480
But I don't know. 
We're we're yes kind of people. 

595
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,160
Like we don't usually say no 
often. 

596
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,720
So throw whatever you have at 
us. 

597
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,240
We say us to everything, 
sometimes to a detriment. 

598
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,840
I'm glad. 
I'm glad you said yes to this 

599
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,560
interview. 
It's great. 

600
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:19,600
No. 
Problem. 

601
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Any any hints as to any new 
exhibition programs that you're 

602
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,440
working on? 
We're working on them. 

603
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,560
We're. 
Working on. 

604
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Them. 
That's it. 

605
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,040
That's as much of A hint I'm as 
I'm going to get. 

606
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840
You know, I think we're just 
like exploring and what like 

607
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240
interesting movement that Paul 
and I are, you know, interested 

608
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
in the in the moment. 
I think that's what kind of has 

609
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,720
fueled us over the years is that
whatever inspires us, we're just

610
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,320
going to go for it and, you 
know, hope people enjoy, you 

611
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,920
know, the, the movement and the 
ideas that we're trying to 

612
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,720
portray. 
Is there a chance we'll see new 

613
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
stuff in the exhibition gala at 
Worlds? 

614
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Are you saving it for Stars on 
Ice? 

615
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Last year, we debuted the new 
exhibition at Worlds with not a 

616
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400
lot of practice. 
So I, I think we'll, you know, 

617
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,760
you know, everything's kind of 
coming together, but, you know, 

618
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,640
it's a matter of being 
comfortable. 

619
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,760
The gal was already quite hard 
the day after you finished 

620
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,640
competing. 
And, you know, we won't have a, 

621
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960
we won't have practiced it for 
the whole week with the new 

622
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,040
number. 
So we'll we'll see how it goes. 

623
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,600
Ask us Friday. 
I will. 

624
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,560
I will ask you again when we're 
in Prague. 

625
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000
All right. 
Well, Piper Gillis, Paul 

626
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Poirier, thank you so much for 
joining me today. 

627
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,280
I'm excited to see you in a 
week's time really, and happy 

628
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,640
preparation in the last week 
before Worlds.