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Welcome to the Rocker Skating 
Podcast. 

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It's the second day of our two 
day preview show for the 2026 

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World Figure Skating 
Championships. 

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Michelle and I have a lot to say
about the men and the ice dance 

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events. 
So here it is. 

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How much menning are we going to
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I think a supreme amount of men.
This will be amending for the 

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ages. 
I'm still recovering from, I 

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mean, frankly, the men and the 
ice dance from the Olympics I'm 

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still recovering from. 
We had another. 

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Drama of those couple of days. 
We did another Friday, the 13th 

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a couple weeks ago. 
I was triggered. 

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I'm like again. 
I hope Italy is not on the ice, 

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wherever he is. 
Everybody was everybody was 

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commemorating the one month 
anniversary of. 

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The the day that we live in 
infamy. 

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My goodness. 
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Or in fame in Kazakhstan. 
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I know that's going to be in 
their text, their history 

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textbooks celebrated. 
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The coronation of King Shidorov.
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is not here. 
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entries list because he was too 
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kissing babies and opening 
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And I don't know what he's been 
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the toast of Astana and all of 
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There is at at the Summer 
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Filipino gymnast, Carlos Carlos 
Yulo that won. 

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He first won gold medal I 
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first and it went crazy in the 
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Every business there was giving 
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We had a whole running list of 
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medal and they got even more 
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And I feel like Shidorov is 
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Like when you went from a small 
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beneficiary of all they have to 
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Right. 
I mean, Carlos Ulow is a is a 

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legend. 
He's a little brother who just 

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debuted. 
He's another one, yeah. 

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Yeah, I was joking. 
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floor. 
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the businesses in the 
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of free stuff to give the Ulow 
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Yeah. 
That's our that's our crossover 

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pop for you, Scott, Scott 
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So we have Shyderuff not here, 
Matteo Rizzo not here. 

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Chen Wan Cha just very recently 
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And then even more recently, 
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knew behind the scenes that 
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certainly deciding like this was
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like, oh, he had decided a long 
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last moment to say, no, he has 
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Yeah, we heard as of last week 
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decision. 
Made a decision so. 

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Right. 
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he's still been skating in 
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you know, conditioning up And so
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And Jacob Sanchez takes his spot
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Naumov said no. 
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who just came off a fourth place
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Championships, is now going to 
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Championships debut. 
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Jacob, don't. 
Don't, Jacob, don't kill me if I

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am spilling secrets. 
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He told me he was snowboarding 
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He's young, he can, he'll be 
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That's just he's big, he's 
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He's been training. 
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they have continued to be 
training like, you know, it, it,

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it just another couple of weeks,
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Junior World was 2 1/2 weeks 
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The real. 
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once he got the call, snowboard 
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Or did he get on the lift and 
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bottom and then get off and go 
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Jacob's like my ACL is going to 
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the the men's withdrawals. 
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and noticed that it was not 
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He probably is still recovering 
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very busy, I think with Fashion 
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and so Gabriella Fonzipani is 
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for the Italians. 
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Nikolai Memola's Inside Edge. 
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And they were like, he needs to 
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Here it is. 
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And he said, girl, I know. 
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Of course he did. 
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in the social media space. 
Fun. 

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
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So what's going to happen? 
Will it be the redemption of 

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Ilya Malinen? 
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right? 
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well, last time we saw him, it 
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But the last time we saw him 
compete, it was a one of those 

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programs you'll never want to 
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so it was so heartbreaking and. 
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Completely out of character. 
I think he'll be fine. 

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He's done many worlds. 
I think he'll just skate fine. 

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I don't, I don't expect any 
drama. 

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I'm I'm really worried about the
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Though, Oh my goodness, it is a 
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here. 
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have all the cameras and all the
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you go and. 
Snoop Dogg will not be here as 

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far. 
As there's no student oh, thank 

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no Martha, no Snoop Dogg, yeah, 
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So it'll be. 
Jackie Wong. 

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And Ilia just walks past me. 
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So Ilia. 
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redemption of Yuma Kakiyama I? 
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clean once. 
Just give it to us clean. 

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As much as Yuma got his fourth 
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skate for him. 
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It just so happened that he 
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have a complete disaster. 
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wants to go back in time and fix
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to become a world champion. 
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Think his this is one of his 
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Exactly. 
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I do hope that we can see a 
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that program is so, so good. 
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at the Olympics, how does he do?
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look at these other guys who 
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right? 
Steven Gogolev was literal like.

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A spin level A. 
Spin away. 

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Yeah, a spin level away from 
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He is so consistent. 
I mean, we watched him practice 

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so many times because he got 
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He doesn't even make mistakes in
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He warms up the same way. 
He gets his jumps out, he does 

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his run throughs, he doesn't 
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He's just so, so solid and I 
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haven't been able to say about a
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So I, it's really impressive. 
And I, I'm, I'm putting him on 

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the podium. 
I think he's going to do it. 

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I'm, I'm putting him up there. 
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Because they have to do 2 
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only one that I really believe 
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They do. 
And I'm not even jinxing them so

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when I say that. 
I know like we're not jinxing 

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anything anymore at this point 
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Like, you know. 
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Adam Salhemfah have a 
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Does Danielle Grasso have a 
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Does Kevin Amos have a 
redemption like all these guys 

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who who had moments of 
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then just couldn't get it all 
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I. 
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doesn't need a redemption. 
He had some issues but he fought

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pretty hard. 
I think the redemption would be 

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from for Europeans, but I think 
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He got that at the Olympics. 
Yeah, he got. 

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That at the Olympics. 
I'm really interested to see how

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Andrew Torgeshev skates. 
He skated some of his best 

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performances his last two 
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Like at the Olympics, I've never
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And, and, and I think the 
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maintain that's that level of 
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he had at the Olympics? 
And, you know, has there been 

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sort of a, a let down from the 
Olympics and has he been able to

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to to bring it back up? 
That's, you know, we'll see it 

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first day whether his quattos 
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And he was also going to go on 
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Milan after his event ended. 
So I know I got to ask him about

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that. 
He's recovered from that. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, the pizza in Milan. 

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What am I going to eat in 
Prague? 

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I eat, eat lots of something. 
I need to figure it out, you 

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know, like, there, there, there.
There are other skaters there, 

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too. 
I mean, Nikkei Ikatsu, same 

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thing, right? 
Like Rushdenko. 

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Rushdenko, European bronze 
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What does he do here? 
Speaking of many, Yeah. 

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I mean, you know, like you do 
have to realize, yeah, you do 

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have to take take a look back at
those scores at Europeans and 

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that it was like a 230 something
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Yeah. 
That's not going to get him top 

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10 here, I don't think you know,
Although, again, who knows. 

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I want redemption for Vladimir 
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I want him to skate well here. 
I want to see him make the free 

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skate, smoke that cigarette at 
the start of his program, have a

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great skate and enjoy himself. 
That was like one of the most 

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heartbreaking parts of Milan was
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implosion and missing the free 
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I was I feel we were all robbed 
of the performance that we 

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deserve to see. 
Yeah, yeah, that would have 

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been, I mean, that would have 
been a lot. 

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That would have been very nice. 
Let's hope he doesn't do a 

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triple flip 5 seconds later, 
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That is still one of the iconic 
combinations of the Olympic 

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Games. 
But it's crazy because it was so

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iconic in that moment and then 
it became relevant in the 

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women's event because if Kyrie 
had done that, she would have 

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won. 
She could have held. 

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That edge for 10 seconds and 
done the single toe and she 

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would have won. 
Yeah, I don't. 

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I, I, I, I don't care about the 
song anymore. 

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It's like that. 
That single toe needed to be 

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there. 
Can we also just do a segue back

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to the women? 
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And that Calorie Sakamoto did a 
a domestic competition about a 

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week ago. 
She's not ready. 

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She's not ready to say goodbye. 
No, she's not ready to scape the

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guy. 
But they did not change the 

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combination. 
The the the the double toe is 

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still on the triple Lutz and she
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had another Rep call. 
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My God. 
They like. 

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All right. 
Change the combination. 

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With that double toe on that 
first flip, this is crazy. 

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All right, you need to do some 
investigative journalism as soon

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as you hit the ground in Prague 
and ask what is going on with 

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that? 
What's going on? 

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Oh, she does the solo let's in 
the short program. 

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What's wrong with the solo let's
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It's the only one she's doing. 
Miss Nakano, please. 

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Oh my God, we can't take this. 
I know. 

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Yeah. 
So back to the men. 

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I'm too. 
Traumatized to continue 

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triggered. 
I know same litvince of 

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redemption we get another 
minions from Tommy Querino. 

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Let's. 
Go. 

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And you know, like things could 
lots of things can happen again,

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like with the other 
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can be a wide open field. 
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occur, and it most certainly 
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be some wild, wild standings at 
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We have France, Japan and the US
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I don't know that that's going 
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for for France, but I hope it 
does. 

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I don't know if it holds up for 
the US either. 

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I, I, I, I think it really, it 
depends on what 1 you know, Ilya

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has to be up there Two, 
Torgashev has to be as good as 

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he was at the Olympics or Jacob 
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and and they don't hose his 
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they, they can keep the, the 
three spots. 

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Yeah, but it's not, it's not 
easy. 

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Yeah, I weirdly have a lot of 
faith in Jacob. 

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I don't know why. 
I think he's going to skate 

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well. 
I would like to have a lot of 

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faith in Jacob. 
I feel like he's burned me 

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before so. 
Is this like who's World Team 

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without Jason Brown in a whole 
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Jason Brown, been a while. 
Yeah. 

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He's been at the he's been at 
the last three worlds. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, 2022 he didn't go. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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But he's, he's, he was at 
232425. 

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So he was, yeah. 
You know that Jason has never in

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his career finished lower than 
9th at Worlds. 

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That's that's what I keep 
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as we've people talk about how 
he hasn't battled at worlds, 

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yeah, he's been very reliably in
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He's like, he's like an index 
fund. 

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He is just. 
You can count on him. 

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Very, Yep, Yep. 
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You're not going to go big, but 
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going to be very steadily 
earning your money, that is for 

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sure. 
Yeah. 

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The men, wow, I don't know 
what's going to happen. 

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Gogolev. 
Gogolev's going to happen. 

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Gogo, Medal Gogo. 
Medal. 

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And that'll be the first 
Canadian men's medal since Do 

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you have to be Patrick? 
Am I making that up? 

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Yeah, who else would? 
Who else would have been besides

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Patrick? 
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He didn't win 1 Patrick, the 
last World medal for a Canadian 

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man. 15. 
No earlier. 14. 1313 Patrick won

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his last fourteen of three 
titles. 

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Wow. 
All right, so we're down to ice 

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stand. 
OK, Speaking of the last time 

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worlds were in Prague, this was 
the first. 

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Was that was that? 
Go, go, go Julen. 

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They won their first and only 
world title, the forever just on

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the bubble team that could never
breakthrough. 

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They could never be claim of on 
Pan Mariko. 

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And then the Duchenne started, 
you know, passing them and it 

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was like they just could not get
there. 

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And finally in 93, they have 
this incredible Blues for clue 

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program and they won their first
and only world title and Russia 

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swept the world podium. 
They won all three medals in 

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dance. 
It was Usava Julin, Grisha 

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Platov, Krylova Fedorov. 
But I, you know what? 

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This dance event, I think 
something similar is going to 

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happen in terms of a long, long 
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on the bubble finally getting 
their flowers. 

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And I'm, I think Piper are going
to win this world. 

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I totally agree. 
It's going to happen. 

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Look, I could be just making up 
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something about the momentum 
that they got at the Olympics 

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and the fact that as and shock 
Evan baits are not here where 

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the judges brains have now been 
freed up in some ways to think 

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about a different team out 
there. 

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And yeah, I, I, I totally would 
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potential for Piper and Ball to 
win this thing. 

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And you know, the, the continued
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Beaudry and Cicero making a 
major error because that we've 

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seen that this season. 
We saw that at, we saw that in 

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practices at the Olympics. 
They push so hard and I, I 

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wonder about like, because I, I 
talked about in our Olympic 

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recap about how they push so 
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back a lot in competition. 
And I wonder when they are 

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pushing harder in competition, 
if that's when the mistakes 

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happen. 
I don't know. 

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I, I don't know. 
I just, I just, I have a feeling

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that it's going to be Piper and 
Paul. 

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I just the momentum is there. 
And A and a post Olympic world 

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for for ice dance has not been 
without its surprises either. 

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Remember the day when Anna 
Kaplina and Luca Lenote won 

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World? 
In. 2014. 

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By a whisker. 
All the medals were within like 

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a few like 33 hundreds or 3/10 
of a point or something. 

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They were so close. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, the there have been a 
couple Olympic champions who 

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have defended their world title 
or who won worlds right after. 

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Virgin Warrior did it in 2010, 
Papadakis and Cesarone did it in

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2022. 
But it's not a guarantee by any 

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means. 
No, I, the thing that I think of

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with with Piper and Paul for me 
is that they, their Olympics 

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free dance was so utterly 
transformative for them that 

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they might come in with a very 
different kind of just like 

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mindset of what this competition
is for them. 

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And they were even saying this 
on the interview when I was 

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talking to them was that they 
felt a difference in the way 

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that they did that program at 
the Olympics. 

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Then they had done it before. 
And you wonder if if that kind 

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of magic is going to happen 
again. 

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I go back to this is obviously 
pairs, but I go back to 

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Sapchenko and Maso in 2018 after
the Olympics where we were like 

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they can possibly do that 
program any better than they did

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at the Olympics and if they did 
it better at worlds. 

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Yeah, OK, I have chills. 
So Chenko Maso. 

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Yeah, my free skate was so good.
It was so good. 

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Psychological breakthrough and 
they can skate with that kind of

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freedom. 
Right. 

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And you know, like their 
programs really came together at

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the Olympics. 
RuPaul came together at the 

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Olympics. 
Finally, Vincent came together 

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at the Olympics. 
So again, you wonder. 

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So you'd think those two for 
gold. 

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You'd think Theor and Gibson 
versus Zynga's kalesnik for 

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bronze, which are words that I 
did not think I would say at the

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beginning of the season. 
It's interesting because Fear 

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Gibson for so long had so much 
momentum, momentum, momentum, 

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momentum, and in their last two 
competitions I feel like it 

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really screeched to a halt. 
And Zynga's, on the other hand, 

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is just like shooting for the 
stars. 

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Speaking of momentum. 
Yeah, so I'm, I'm interested to 

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see how Fear Gibson compete 
here. 

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I know that they were a team 
that it was, they really had 

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this very strong mental game and
their attack was really what 

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powered them forward. 
And I think once the doubt 

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started creeping in there, 
especially with Lila's twizzle 

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issues, if I think that really 
kind of unseeded them the last 

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two competitions, especially at 
the Olympics. 

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So I I'm interested to see how 
they skate here. 

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And I feel like we know how 
Zynga, Zynga Leznik are going to

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skate. 
They're going to be skating out 

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of their skin. 
They're going to be raising the 

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roof. 
It's going to be, you know, all 

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energy all the time. 
Yeah, I think, I think the two 

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of them and I think Zingis, 
Kolesnik, Reed and Brulevichus 

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and Smart and Deke, all three of
those teams I think have the 

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potential to be the spoiler for 
the bronze would think of 

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Kolesnik being the higher 
potential of those 3. 

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But still like I, I, you know, 
like you look at you look at 

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them versus Allison Saul at the 
Grand Prix Final, right. 

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At Grand Prix Finals, Allison, 
Saul were were were scored 

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higher. 
I just wanna put Scott Deek a 

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little parade of a Bristow in 
that conversation, too. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I would agree with that. 

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You know, it's like then you is,
is there even a dark, dark, dark

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horse of a green Parsons coming 
in after not being at the 

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Olympics and maybe bringing 
something a little bit different

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than what everybody's been 
seeing, right? 

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Because they, we haven't seen 
them since 4 continents. 

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They're the ones who are 
replacing chalk and Bates here 

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And, and they, you know, 
they're, they're fresh. 

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They, they haven't had to come 
down from the Olympics. 

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They've they've, you know, in 
the interview that I had with 

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them were saying how grateful of
what they were to their season, 

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getting another shot, getting a,
you know, having another chance 

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at at extending their season. 
So. 

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I'm interested to see how tour 
Columbus Louis look because they

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really weren't, you know, they 
said that they were feeling 100%

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better, but I didn't feel like 
they looked at the Olympics like

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they were as comfortable as they
were in the past, you know, with

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his injury and everything. 
And I'm wondering if a few more 

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weeks of training if they look 
more like their old selves, 

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because I feel like in this 
field they should be contenders.

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They I mean, they have fantastic
material, especially that 

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freelance. 
It's just like, it's so good. 

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It's just that tango, like 
that's just, you know, so 

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addictive and easy to reward and
easy to like and very 

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accessible. 
And, you know, their season 

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scores are not great just 
because of his injury, but I 

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think they could move up, Yeah. 
Yeah, they they did. 

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They lost some of their power 
and and they're just sort of 

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assertiveness, especially in 
that free dance. 

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Yeah, I remember last season 
when we were seeing when we were

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watching that free dance, it was
like it just, it just sent 

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chills down your spine because 
they were just like so well done

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most of the time. 
Especially that straight line 

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left at the end. 
So good. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
It'll be interesting. 

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I mean, Carrera Panamarenko also
here, you know, Hannah Lim and 

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Yaquan, do they get a little bit
of a redemption they have? 

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To I hope they make the free 
dance and get to do their free 

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dance here. 
I have like one thing to say 

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about Christina Carrera and 
Anthony Panmarenko, just not 

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related to this competition. 
But you know, talking back to 

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the pointing back to the March 
gladness that we talked about at

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the beginning of the episode to 
everyone who didn't vote for 

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them. 
I you're on my list. 

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I'm really judging you. 
I think Christina's dress that 

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she debuted at the Olympics is 
like the probably the best 

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costume of the season that 
anyone's had. 

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That dress is stunning. 
And so, you know, so effective 

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with the theme of their program.
And, you know, I took it kind of

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personally that that she didn't 
get votes and that they lost 

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their category that that, you 
know, that was upsetting to me. 

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I'm very excited to see it 
again. 

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Michelle is very upset. 
She was telling me how upset she

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was about it. 
Yeah, yeah, she was up again. 

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They were up against the Amber 
Glenn like a prayer costume 

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though. 
I, you know what? 

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I voted for Amber in the ISU 
costume award. 

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I didn't feel bad not voting for
her here. 

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This was this was Christina's. 
This was Christina's award. 

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She should have won. 
So just saying. 

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I, I, I have very much enjoyed 
the, the great deal of thoughts 

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and opinions that everybody's 
been having on March gladness, 

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which they were unable to maybe 
have with the ISU costume awards

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because they, you know, it was 
it, it, it, it felt, it felt, it

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feels so terminal, right? 
Like it's like you have one 

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chance to just vote for your one
costume and now you have like 

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whatever it is, 15 chances to 
vote for your costume. 

451
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:41,760
So anyway, back to dance. 
The, the, the podium will be 

452
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,440
very interesting. 
I do think like at with every 

453
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,560
other one of these competitions,
the potential for there being 

454
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,360
some kind of surprise on the 
podium is high. 

455
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:57,440
The question is what is the 
surprise and will there be more 

456
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,080
than one? 
So it could be what the ice 

457
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,160
dancer is, right? 
You don't have chalk and Bates 

458
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,760
and that's basically or you 
don't have chalk and Bates and 

459
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,680
you don't have king yard fabric,
but that's basically it. 

460
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,880
Everybody else is here for the 
most part. 

461
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,720
And so it'll be interesting to 
see because the, the Olympics 

462
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,000
was very close across a lot of 
these teams. 

463
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,560
And, you know, it was an 
exclamation point for Spartan 

464
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Deke's choreograph character 
step. 

465
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Or it was, it was a level here 
and there for these people. 

466
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Or it was a, you know, a, a miss
on a, a, a, a bracket turn that 

467
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,640
left somebody with two levels 
fewer. 

468
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Or, you know, it was like. 
Something the choreo step calls 

469
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,320
at this event. 
Just please, we've given out 

470
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400
enough. 
We met, we met the quota. 

471
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,040
Just don't do what this this 
event. 

472
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360
Leave them alone. 
It's like parking tickets. 

473
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:09,240
Yes, when you're legally parked.
Yeah, somebody decided that you 

474
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:19,120
were, you know, 4 feet, 8 inches
from the fire hydrant or 

475
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160
whatever it is. 
I don't even know what the rules

476
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360
are for parking near fire 
hydrants because I don't have a 

477
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040
car. 
But you know, it was like one of

478
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,520
those things where it's you're 
like, it's just so close and you

479
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280
that the nickel and diming is 
quite upsetting. 

480
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Should we do our top three for 
each of these? 

481
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Disciplines. 
Oh boy. 

482
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,320
Yeah. 
OK, let's start with the dance. 

483
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:49,080
OK, Gilles Poirier first. 
Forney Baudreu Cesarone second. 

484
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Zingis Kolesnik, 3rd. 
I have the exact same top three.

485
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Go OK. 
OK, I'll, I'll, I'll do the I'll

486
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,960
do women on my part. 
OK, we'll switch off. 

487
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Kari Sakamoto, Amber Glenn, 
Monet, Chiba. 

488
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:17,160
Monet Ami Nakai first. 
Kari Sakamoto, second. 

489
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400
Amber Glenn, third. 
Wow. 

490
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,240
I adore Monet, but. 
This was, this was the, this was

491
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,320
the, this was the switcheroo 
from the Olympics where I was 

492
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680
like, Monet's not going to be in
the top five. 

493
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,400
All right, Paris. 
Pavlovos, Viachenko, Hassa, 

494
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Volodin, Michochina, Berlava. 
I've never heard the Hungarian 

495
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,480
anthem. 
I'm ready. 

496
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Oh gosh, this one is I, I have 
the same top three. 

497
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,440
I I would put Hassevalden first.
OK, so and then Pavlovos, 

498
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,280
Fiachenko and then Batalkina 
Perulva. 

499
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
OK. 
Yeah, makes sense. 

500
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160
OK, men. 
Oh, this is so hard. 

501
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
I. 
Don't even know. 

502
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,160
I don't even know here. 
It's like it's, it's too. 

503
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,240
I'm just going to go for it. 
Yuma, Ilia. 

504
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Adam. 
Wow, OK. 

505
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,120
That that's not even like I 
don't, I don't even know what 

506
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:36,640
that came from, but you know. 
I'm going to do Eli no Ilya 

507
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Gogalev Yuma. 
Wow, there's already men in 

508
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,040
going on in our predictions. 
And I I shouldn't pick Ilia to 

509
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760
win because he burned me before,
but I feel like it's inevitable 

510
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,880
that he will win. 
So I just don't. 

511
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,120
I just don't know. 
I really just don't know. 

512
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Well, there we go, I think. 
I think of all of the podium 

513
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,920
pics I've done all all season, 
this one is by far my most 

514
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,480
unhinged. 
It's going to be something 

515
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,160
insane in the men. 
It's probably going to be like 

516
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Kalmira in second. 
Something like things are like, 

517
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,800
I think both of us are reacting 
to the fact that a post Olympic 

518
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,080
world is not typical. 
It's just not typical. 

519
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Something's going to happen and 
we don't know what is going to 

520
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
happen and our minds are just 
like going off. 

521
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,560
It was the year. 
Was it 2010 when Daisuke and Mao

522
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,400
won worlds after they both 
failed to win the Olympics? 

523
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,920
I feel like that was the year. 
Maybe it's 24. 

524
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,040
Yep, Mao won and 20. 
She won in 2010 and 2014. 

525
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Yeah, it was Dice K in 2010. 
And Yuzu, well, Yuzu was the 

526
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Olympic champion in 2014, but 
yeah, I was thinking in 2010. 

527
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360
So they both missed gold in the 
Olympics and landed on the 

528
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,720
podium, and then they both won 
worlds. 

529
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,880
So maybe it will be Yuma and 
Calorie. 

530
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Wow, wow. 
That's it for our last preview 

531
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400
episode of this very long 
season. 

532
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Crazy. 
And hey folks, thank you for 

533
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960
joining us during this whole 
thing. 

534
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,280
We will be back with both recap 
shows. 

535
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Michelle may be joining me for 
some recap shows during the 

536
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,840
week, and we will be back for 
the full recap of the World 

537
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Championships next week. 
Michelle, anything before we. 

538
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Go. 
I guess I'm going to be watching

539
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,240
some skating. 
Here's two hours and hours. 

540
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Here's two hours and hours I 
this week is going to be 6:00 AM

541
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,440
to midnight almost every single.
Day. 

542
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Wow. 
Yeah, maybe something. 

543
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,040
There's going to be something. 
I hope you have some good 

544
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239
snacks. 
I'll be in Lai, will definitely 

545
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,400
have good snacks. 
Luckily, I am right next to the 

546
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,360
arena, so it's not going to be a
a long a long commute. 

547
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,800
All right, well, that's it for 
this episode of the Rocker 

548
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,239
skating podcast. 
We had a lot of fun. 

549
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,480
Hope you did too. 
And you know, lots of things. 

550
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,600
If you're in the mood to support
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551
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,239
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552
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553
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That is very important for us. 

554
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,120
And rocker pins are still on 
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555
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920
an actual sale for the World 
Championships. 

556
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:07,080
So watch out for that and go and
play all the games that you 

557
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,240
want. 
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558
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,640
andpredictioncentraltheyreallforyou@live.rockersgating.com
I'm going to stop promoting my 

559
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,960
website now, but that's going to
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560
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480
coverage coming up in Prague 
from me this week. 

561
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Practices start on Tuesday, 
competitions start on Wednesday,

562
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:37,520
and it's going to be we're going
to go at 250 mph for five days 

563
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,920
straight. 
It's going to be a very 

564
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,320
different pace than what we were
used to at the Olympic Games. 

565
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,840
So all right, For Michelle 
Ellis, this is Jackie Wong, 

566
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Chiefskate nerd of 
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567
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,480
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568
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569
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,640
And to Tara Nichols, who is 
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570
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,360
trying to figure out what parts 
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571
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,920
So that's it for this time. 
We will talk to you again soon. 

572
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,320
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